Pints With Aquinas - Matt and his Wifey/Wife

Episode Date: November 6, 2021

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What if we just had lunch every day like this how grossed out would everybody be uh Hearing people eat you know what I could just do a juice fast and we just drink our meals. Mm-hmm That would be better. Yeah Cuz you think of like video friendly foods like a soft cake or something, but even that no And then it's probably the worst food to eat spaghetti nachos Even that. No. Don't eat in public. And then it's falling. What would be the worst food to eat? Spaghetti. Nachos. Oh.

For the microphone, I'm saying. Oh, okay. I just thought in general, they say like don't have spaghetti on your first date, like everyone on first date. Oh, interesting. Yeah, order something that you can eat. I never followed these rules, but they say that.

Did you just go against them? They're like. I was just like, if I wanna eat spaghetti, I'm gonna eat spaghetti. I don't care if it's messy Same with the wedding, you know the remember I asked for like a to-go box and she's like, I'm sorry I've never had a bride like all of her dinner let alone ask for seconds because I was pushing you out of the door That's true. Yeah, and I just want to eat more. No, I don't know. The food was good. It was great food We had Mexican at our wedding. Yep, and

Margaritas, that's what you wanted. Did I? Yeah, and we also had a chocolate fountain moving to America and eating y'all's food Was a life-changing experience for me Because you got IBS and floated No, it was just like the taste of your food is so good. Oh yeah. Now I grab it. MSG. No, what is MSG? It's like a food enhancer. I know you don't want it. It's really bad for you. Yeah it like makes it more flavorful. Make that make sure that's from under you don't want it under your chin like that you know. Is this better? Yeah that's good. No but. I like your new mics these are fun. Thank you. Thank you to Neil for installing them.

Thanks, Neil. Barbecue. Now, to be fair, I grew up in a small country town. I remember someone asking me when I was 15 if I'd ever had sushi. I was like, no, I've never had sushi. Things are just so different. Yeah, that's true.

No, and Texas barbecue was amazing. Unbelievable. Yeah. Do you remember when we went on that date and I said, maybe it occurred to me why the waitresses were so kind. Oh yeah. Do you remember that? Yep.

And it's because we tip them here and we don't tip them in Australia. You're like, your waitresses are so much nicer. They're so friendly. Yeah. Yeah, because they want to earn the extra couple of dollars, which is fair. Whereas do you remember in Australia, most places you pay first, then you go sit down and they bring it to you. Kind of rude, too.

Yeah. And it's kind of just a rude thing to do. Like we don't even trust that you'll be able to pay for this after we've made it. So we're going to need you to pay in advance. That's true. You ever thought of that? Yeah. And then there's some places where they're trying to bring tipping in, but it's just people are having none of it. Like if you grew up in a society where people didn't tip.

We may have tipped too much, Elise and I in France, we just were tipping because I don't know, we weren't thinking, the first place we went, someone was like, oh yeah, France you tip. And I'm like, oh, okay. I figured it just has come a thing. Because it's not like any of them are like, no, no, no, no, don't tip me. Right. And so we just, we're doing it.

And then after it, someone's like, you know, you don't have to tip here, right? Like it's included in the price. I'm like, I, no, no, no, don't tip me. Right. And so we just, we're doing it. And then after it's almost like, you know, you don't have to tip here, right? Like it's included in the price. I'm like, I thought so. But people are still rude to us, even though we were tipping them. How is it that Americans get a bad rap overseas when y'all are paying people

in addition to what you're purchasing? Well, cause there's places like, I'm like, I'm sorry. Do you have a menu in English? No English. And then I kept being like, what did I say? I was sorry, do you have a menu in English? No English. And then I kept being like, what did I say? I was like, como se dice in French? English?

Nope, nope, how do you say that in French? Oh, that was Spanish, was it? Yeah, yeah. Like, and I just kept messing up. I did Italian some of the time. I never went as far as doing Gaelic, but I wouldn't have been surprised if I had. So I think that was it. It's like kind of like, no, you're coming to our country, like figure out how to order stuff.

Totally. And the other thing too is we've met people from America who seem to have been really ignorant to the fact that they were being obnoxious. Like that lady who said, do you speak American? Yeah, that was rude. English. So that woman didn't know she was like that. She's very young. That was a girl. Oh, was it? Yeah, she was like a high school So that woman didn't know she was like that. She's very young. That was a girl. Oh, was it?

Yeah, she was like a high schooler. Okay, but did it- But that's why I corrected her. I wanted to teach her and like, listen, if you're going to travel around the world, you need to know. Does he speak English? You may ask that.

Oh, that's funny. Sorry, I keep coming closer. Yeah, you just wanna keep coming closer. I just wanna be close. I feel so far from you all the way over here. But were you aware of that as you were overseas that maybe you would fall into that without knowing it? Well, I think because when I first started traveling, I was young as well. I was probably 16. I was that girl. Yeah. I don't know if I said- And where shouldn't you be? America is better than the rest of the world.

But I appreciate people, like I remember even when we did net Ireland, I remember people being like, Cameron, now listen, we just need you to be aware that this is Ireland, it's not the US, and we're so, we love your Texan pride and your American pride, we're just gonna simmer down on that. We don't want them to think we're all Americans. Most of us are Canadian, and that's gonna kind of be our identity, but we're all, you know, Christians and that's our focus. Yeah, I take offense to that now living in this country for so long. I'm like, how about shut up Canada? Why don't you go quarantine with your two people so that

Gestapo don't arrest you and throw you in prison? No, no, no. I think it was good in the aspect that they, like it was good for me to be aware of that. And if I told anyone I was from, do you remember this? If I mentioned that I was from Texas, I would get a lecture about Bush. Oh my gosh. It's gotten to the point where if the majority of people believe a certain thing, it's probably false, especially about a politician. Christopher Hitchens has this great line and I think he was on Bill Maher where he talked about it's the stupid person's joke. Anyone can make a joke about George Bush. You're an idiot if you do that.

It was really remarkable. People should go look that up. Okay. Yeah. You just go back from France, which is why you're wearing this very interesting jacket that may or may not have shoulder pads. Woo hoo!

It may have shoulder pads. My shoulders are not normally this large. Thank you very much. But do you like it? I do. I think it's lovely. Yeah. You got it from a secondhand store?

I did. Yeah. How much? I think it was 10 euros. Really? But I like it. I think it's fine. I think it suits you.

I saw a girl trying it on and we were going through and I don't know sizes there. Like it's in the 30s and 40s and I just, I have no idea what size I am. Like I knew what size I was in Ireland, but I had no idea in France what size I am. So I'm going through like being like, this kind of looks like it may fit. And then there was this tiny girl. Oh my goodness.

She probably wasn't even four feet tall. And she tried this coat on and it was swallowing her whole. I'm not a large woman, but I was much larger than this girl. And I was like, oh, I like that. I wonder if she's going to get it. She's like cuffing the sleeves where the sleeves are like they just fit me. And I was like, ooh. And so I kind of had my eye on it. And then when she put it down before she left, I like picked it up and was like, I'm going to get this. So tell us about how you got to France, especially the email exchange in the beginning. Yes, so Select International Tours was, so this was actually someone else's trip.

This was the Catholic Feminist trip, and so this was Claire and all her people. And I'm not sure, but I think maybe it wasn't full, so they wanted to bring other people. So Hailey Stewart, who does Fountain of Carrots, you've been on her show, yeah? Yeah. Yeah. So, her and I got invited more like last minute and there were some other speakers that were invited. But it was amazing. And so, the first email, I get so many emails and it's like, hey, do you want to promote this? Do you want to come on this? And I was like, I don't know, let me talk to Matt about it. And so, it was my assistant, Christine, that wrote back and was like, you know, I'm like, tell, let me talk to Matt about it. And so it was my assistant, Christine, that wrote back and was like, you know, I'm like, tell him I'll talk to Matt about it.

And they're like, okay, you just have to pay your flight over, you know? And anyhow, I ignored it. And then it was like, we'll take care of everything. And I was like, oh. They kept upping the answer. Yeah, they kept upping it. And Christine's like, I feel like you should really go.

You should do this. And I was like, wait, is this a real thing? And so I told her to give me a call and I'm talking to this girl, Bond, who was lovely and very Southern and just so positive. And I'm like, but is this like real? I like, I found it hard to believe. Like it was like, what do you think?

They're trying to scam you or something? They would ask for your first born or something? Yes, yeah, I thought it was like, you just have to give us your first two children and then you can go to France. For free. For free. And it's like, I like my kids, I thought it was like, you just have to give us your first two children and then you can go to France. For free. For free. And it's like, I like my kids, I'm going to keep them.

You can have one, but not two. And then I just didn't think I'd be able to go. And then I got excited that I was going. And then France said you had to be vaccinated. And so I was like, now I'm not going. And Bon was so great. She like found a loophole. And I was like, I'm so sorry, I can't go.

I'm just dealing with health stuff and I'm not getting the vaccine right now because of that. And I already have all these complications. And, and then that sat for like a day. And the next day she's like, you haven't happened to have COVID in the last six months. And I was like, yes, I have. And so I got a letter from the doctor

and all this stuff just took a lot to do. And then I was like, all right, have. And so I got a letter from the doctor and all this stuff just took a lot to do. And then I was like, all right, I'm going. But then even going. We kept thinking maybe they will require a vaccine. Yeah. Passport. Yeah, so even packing my bags, I'm like, you were so great about like, well, if you can't go,

go somewhere else. Like have a little retreat time, plan something, look for an Airbnb on the beach or something to get away. Which I appreciate, thank you. You're welcome. And then I was like, I'm flying to Atlanta. And I got to Atlanta and I'm like, I'm at least here. And then I was like, and I did run into travel agents

or like Delta employees that I showed them, they're like, what is this? This is a doctor's note. I'm like, so this is actually proof of recovery. And France- Oh, they wanted a vaccine passport. Where was that? At customs or? Everywhere. Everywhere there was a checkpoint. So like, so our first, so the first guy that I saw in Pittsburgh, he was great. And he was just like, hey, listen, just so you know, I'm with you.

He called his manager and the manager was like, I don't know. And he's like, no, no, I'll help her do that. And he was just so know. And he's like, no, no, I'll help her do that. And he was just so helpful. And he told me, he's like, just be very confident and tell them that this is what they'll accept and don't back down and stand your ground and get a manager. Good thing you're really good at being confident. I know. I was like, okay, great, thanks.

And I was glad he gave me that advice because one of them is like, I've never heard of this. This doesn't count. And I was like, okay, well, it does count for for France so if you could please get your manager, I'm happy to talk to him about it. Nice job. And so she went and talked to someone, he's like I don't know, he's like if they let her on this far and so I was like okay, yay. And where was that?

That was in Atlanta. And so that must have been an anxious trip because at any step of the way you could be turned back. Presumably even when you got to Paris. So that was my thing. I'm like, okay, I'm at least getting to Paris, but I may get off the plane and then be like, this doesn't count. Go back. I'm like, well, it was a lovely flight. Thanks for having me. I touched down in Paris. So what happened? It was even easier when I got to Paris. I showed them and it wasn't a problem. And they just let me through. And I remember walking through and

turning back and looking at my friend Elise. I'm like, all right, it problem. And they just let me through. And I remember walking through and turning back and looking at my friend Elise and I'm like, it worked, it worked. I'm like, don't look so excited. You know, and I was like, it actually worked. And she was like, I'm glad it worked. But yeah, so I was surprised that it worked. And then even when we went to other places,

like there was like places on the bus where they're coming to look at everyone's, they were scanning everyone's vaccine thing. And I think I was the only one without one. And so they got to me and I was like, I have this letter. And they're like, okay, that's fine. And they just ignored me. That amount of anxiety would have crippled me.

I would not have been able to enjoy that trip. I would have just thought at any point I'm gonna get turned away and sent home. I figured worst case scenario, and I talked to them. I'm like, worst case scenario, if I'm not allowed in one place that we're going, can I just stay on the ship? And like, yeah, you'll be fine on the ship.

Now you and I have done a cruise before, Catholic Answers Cruise, when they asked me to speak on that. But this one was a lake or river cruise. River cruise. Where did you go? What was good about it? It was a much smaller ship. So the one we went on at the time was the largest ship.

That's right. In the world. In the world. the world. Mm-hmm largest cruise ship It was too big. Yeah, it was like being in a skyscraper Well, not that big but I mean it was so many rooms. There was like a mall in it There was like there was a mall if you have a mall in your boat There was like 15 at least 15 different restaurants. There was like a downtown Manhattan there was pilgrims could see us there was a dolphin show on the back of the ship, right? Bloody dolphin. I don't remember.

And there were slides. There was a lot. There was a merry-go-round I brought Kiara on. It's amazing. Yeah, it was massive. So this was much smaller. This one with crew, it's got to be maximum 120 people. That's much nicer. It was so great. And the crew was amazing. They were so lovely and so hospitable and just friendly.

And they got to know us really well. And yeah, they were just, they were so helpful and they all spoke English. And even the ones that were like, oh, my English isn't so great. It was really great. Like there would be certain words where they wouldn't know. This bartender was showing me this, I love this one wine in particular. And she's showing me and she's like, I don't know what it is in English. I'm like, oh, legs. She's showing me on the glass.

I'm like, nice long legs. She's like, no, no, not legs. This in the glass, how it does this. I'm like, yeah, they're legs. She's like, like legs? And I was like, yeah, I see that that doesn't make sense, but that's what we say. But yeah, they were just wonderful. And yeah. Just real quick, where were the highlights

of the places you went? Okay, so we flew into Paris and I wasn't excited about seeing Eiffel Tower, but it's frigging amazing. Really? Yeah, it was beautiful. And like really interesting. Like I didn't realize there were so many,

yeah, and they light it up at night. We were joking that it was the eye of a- Sauron? Sauron. Was it significantly better day or night? Or is just- It was just, it was beautiful and magnificent. Like I was surprised that it's really beautiful looking. I don't think I would have looked forward to seeing that either.

Yeah, I was like, whatever, it's a tourist attraction. The churches were just gorgeous and beautiful and the stained glass. So we started in Paris and then we went all over the place and we went to Rouen. Rouen? I think that's how you say it. Where Joan of Arc's from, where she was burned at the stake. By the church. By bad people within the church. I bad people within the church. I don't think the church.

Do we own that? Well, I don't know. It was kind of like the canonization was like, yeah, sorry. How bad? Our bad. Shouldn't have done that. All right. Where is it?

And it was just so powerful. She's my patron saint, right? So it was really powerful being there. And what was neat is our tour guide, who was amazing. He was so knowledgeable and he's telling us all about her and I'm walking around and you know how I, you're the same like at tours and stuff. I hate tours.

I just want to get away from the group. Hate them. But Julian was great where he would let us go off kind of on our own. So I never like, like people follow the rules and they stay. Like everybody's standing here. And then there's a handful of us that are drifters that are like going off doing our own thing. Just real quick, I want to punk my friend Todd Ma in Calgary, who never watches this show but is my best friend.

If you know Todd Ma and you're watching this show right now, I want you to go up to him and say, Matt Fradd loves tours, doesn't he? If we could get, if there's like three people who know Todd Ma, who could just say that to him without letting him know that you heard about this on this video, he might lose his mind. Yes, that would be really fun. So be sure to say to Todd Ma,

I heard Matt Fradd loves tours. It'd just be great. Yes. Todd and I are good mates, and he knows that I can't stand them. Yeah, but this was like really, it was lovely. Like you had a whisperer is what they call it. Everybody get your whispers and you just put it in your ear and you can listen.

But it was good. He told us stuff that I was like, oh, that's interesting to hear, but you didn't have to stay with him. He was okay with you walking off and kind of doing your own thing. And yeah, before he told us, so there's a plaque in the middle and you kind of assume that's where she was burned at the stake. And then like a weird metal, it was, unfortunately, I think some of it was built in the seventies and it kind of looks like that.

But anyhow, I went around to the side and there was just this like area of like a garden, like there was like a plant and a few things. And I just felt really called to like touch the dirt. And so I was touching the dirt and praying and then afterwards I found out that's actually the spot Which she was burned at the stake. Really? Yeah, so I'm like, this is it. This is like didn't they signify that or why wasn't that more obvious? Was there anything indicating that there was a plaque but it was like over where Neil is and then the spot was right here Okay, so no, there was nothing showing us that that's where it was, but I don't know,

I just thought it was really beautiful, and I thought of like Ash Wednesday, you know, from dust, you come into the world and dust, you leave. What's the saying? Neither of those things. You are dust and to dust you shall return. And shall dust you shall return. And I think when you're burned even more, like dust.

Get it? Yeah, now we get it. But I thought it you're burned even more, like dust. Get it? Yeah, now we get it. But I thought it was really beautiful to like, I don't know, just touch that. I feel so connected to her and like, yeah, I'm not afraid for, you know, I'm born for a time like this. And just like ask, I don't know, asking for her prayers and her intercession and just feeling like she's preparing me for something. Like I feel like she's the reason I went.

Like sure, Select invited me, thank you Select. But I feel like Joan was the one that was like really calling me there. And yeah, it was just amazing to be there and to pray. And then when you went to Lisieux, also known as La Salle. Was that good? Amazing.

Yeah, so I'm not a huge Therese. I know you are. Well, I read Story of a soul and didn't like it at first. It's just this French girl who likes bonbons. Not really my cup of tea, you know? But I since read different books about her that just really made me realize, like, she shouldn't be called a little flower. She should be called an iron will or something like that. I mean, she was she was great. So but I would actually like to go and read her autobiography.

Really? Yeah. I should have told you to get that for me in French. I would have. You don't read French. That's true. It would have been very difficult. You'd have to go down to the Newtons. Claire, could you read me another chapter, please? I'll just fall asleep here. Please leave. Matt, get off our couch. No, what I found really powerful being there, so I may have gone to confession in her convent and confessed that I called her a little spoiled little brat. Didn't her sister call her that or did she think that about herself? Good. Then I was in good company. But one thing that I didn't expect was I was so drawn

to her parents. So in the basement of the basilica, they built this massive, beautiful basilica, I think right after she was canonized because the church was pretty small and they knew that pilgrims were going to come. So it's the second most popular site after Lourdes in France for pilgrims to come. And so it's a massive, beautiful church. And in the basement, Saint Zellie and Louise are there and a reliquary, the big gold. Yeah. And so, I prayed there and then we had mass and it's like a beautiful, but I was like sitting up in mass and I just felt like I had to go back with them.

Like, I'm like, I don't want to be with all these women that are lovely that I really enjoyed. No offense. No offense, but I was like, I just don't want to be up here. I want to be back there. Yeah, and so I just sat back there with them and I just felt like Okay, you guys get it like I think I don't know like we need more beautiful Holy couples to look up to and like marriage is hard, right? Like I'm sure being a nun is hard, too

We have lots of them that are canonized for us to look up to, and I just don't relate. I'm like, I don't get it. Where, like, I don't know, I just felt like they get it, like the heartache of just being parents and making decisions and being up through the night. And I don't know, I sat back there and I even maybe held hands during the Our Father. I don't normally do that, but I like put my arm around them and I'm like, I'll hold y'all's hand. On the tomb? Yeah. Nice. Yeah. So I was hugging the tomb put my arm around them and I'm like, I'll hold y'all's hand. On the tomb? Yeah.

Nice. Yeah, so I was hugging the tomb, holding the hand, and I gave him the sign of peace. I hugged and kissed it. But just because I just was like, oh, thank you. It's beautiful, yeah. Like, I need your prayers. And I prayed for you and our marriage and all married couples and yeah, Dr. Bob and his ministry. and I just felt very convicted to like pray for married couples. And that guy from Delta that helped me at the very beginning, he's fighting for his

marriage and I told him that I pray for him. How did you know that? Well, I told him I pray for him and he's like, oh, thank you so much. He shared that he's Catholic. He shared his priest wrote him a letter and I said, oh, I'm actually Catholic too. And he said that his wife wants a divorce, but he's trying to fight it and trying to love her. And she thinks that they've just fallen out of love. And I was like, I will pray for you and your marriage.

And so just being there, asking them to pray for him. And yeah, I just, I don't know, it was really powerful. And they weren't even on my radar that I would see them. And even when I like walked by, I was surprised. I was like, oh, you guys are here. Good to see you. Yeah, that's really cool. No, it's true.

I think just like we have these idealized versions of the saints in our minds. And we think like, how can I possibly compete with that? And the truth is they probably were very, obviously were very heroic, prayerful people, but they were also people who had shortcomings and annoying qualities and difficulties that perhaps we don't know about. And the closer the saints are to us, the more aware we are of those difficulties.

But yeah, that's right. How do we be a married couple? How do we be holy as a married couple? And I agree with you. I'd like to see more canonized couples. Yeah. And being in their house, we we went to their house, right? Well, I guess she never lived there. So it was what after she

died. So I guess after the mom died, right? So Therese was there. It was like a normal house, like it could have been our house, a tour of our house. Cool. And it was beautiful, like her little dolls and little trinkets. And yeah, and then walking, they had like a little back garden area and there was just like, I don't know, like a crucifix out and I don't know, like just areas where like I could see that this is where her dad kneeled and prayed for night prayer, you know.

Here's a crucifix. Why did you know that? Because there was a kneeler by the bed. Really? Oh, wow. Yeah. Yeah. And then like in Therese's room there was, oh, when she was crazy sick, there's a story about her being crazy sick and she looks at the statue of our lady and she smiles at her. She felt as if Mary smiled at her. Yeah. So that statue was there. Yeah. Yeah. And just being like, she looked at this and smiled, you know, and that that statue was there. Yeah. Yeah, and just being like she looked at this and smiled, you know

I knew that she'd be okay. Just powerful. Um, did I tell you what Chiara said about Peter the other day? No, so I thought she's like she's we have two kids who carry on Peter. I'm sorry So our nine-year-old went into our seven-year-old's room. It's like, do you know what he was doing? He was in his prayer closet and I was like was he eating all of his trick-or-treat candy? I assumed the worst and she's like no closet and I was like, was he eating all of his trick-or-treat candy? I assumed the worst. And she's like, no, he was praying and his eyes were closed and he was kneeling in his little closet looking at, he has lots of Jesuses in there and I got him a little baby Jesus. But she's like, no, he was just in there praying, kneeling.

Yeah, him and I, on the feast of the assumption when we went to that church, Maronite shrine or something. I said, well, let's say a little prayer and then we'll go out for Holy Mass. And we both knelt down and I got up before him. I felt bad about that. And he said, I pray three our fathers, three Hail Mary's.

Yeah. I love it. Yeah. And I think just having a place where that's made easy. Like even today we have a daughter who's home not feeling well and I was doing work stuff, paying bills and stuff on the computer and she got out the dictionary and is looking up rabbit because she's obsessed with rabbits right now. But it was like –

That's so cool. I'm like, you could get a book and read. She's like, I am reading a book. I'm like, cool, it's the dictionary. But like having an environment where like you have prayer books out or you have like a statue or- See, but this is why I love living in Steubenville.

And you're struggling right now with being here, right? No, today's great, the sun's out. Is that really what you think it is? So I, France was beautiful and sunny. Hard to get from France to Steubenville. And coming back was hard I was struggling with jet lag and then it was just gray and dark for like a week And you were sick and I wasn't feeling good. Yeah, that makes it hard

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penances on themselves, although they probably were more manly in the way they did than we are, because life was just harder back then. Yeah, think about how cozy and cushy our life is. I got into the car today, put in the warm, I made my steering wheel warm, my butt heaters were going. Like, man, I need to live a virtuous life and that's going to require that I start accepting things that are hard. So if you're a bloke and you want to take your spiritual life to the next level, go to Exodus90.com slash Matt, Exodus90.com slash Matt. We'll put a link in the description below. Sign up there so that they know that we've sent you and buckle up for the January the 17th. Is that date special for any other reason?

Yeah, it is. It's your birthday. I just remembered. Um, I appreciate Exodus 90 not having a woman's thing. So awesome. I think it's great. We have sacrifice built into being a woman. Like we learn to die to ourselves every month. And we also learn to die to ourselves other ways,

you know, through pregnancy, through miscarriage, through so many things, but you guys don't. Also men should just be stronger. Men should be harder, tougher, stouter. You should have, like you don't learn to die to yourself monthly. I see, no, I understand what you mean. Yeah, I'm agreeing with you.

Yeah. But I'm also just saying, I don't know any man. Well, I guess what you mean. Yeah, I'm agreeing with you. Yeah, but I'm also just saying I don't know any man Well, I guess that's not true women and men display their strength differently But you would we don't want a man who's like lives a cushy kind of life and becomes soft Or if he is that way you'd want him to strive to be stout. Yeah, I agree agreed I think I said it's 90s amazing. I think I respect them that they haven't A lot of people push them for that. Yeah, the other thing that I respect about access 90 is that. But I respect them that they haven't gone the route. They've had a lot of people push them for that. The other thing that I respect about Exodus 90

is that they know where their mission is. Like they could easily start an Exodus 90 for women and make a ton more money. Yeah, I'm glad they don't. But they're like, no, this is what the Lord's calling us to. Or invite us into the men's thing because you just lose the men. I wanna start a Luddite 90.

A what? A Luddite 90. Or Omish 90. Where you give up cars and phones and you have to drink whiskey on the porch every night. Wow. What if you're an alcoholic? Then you shouldn't do that. Good. Yeah. Good. I'm glad that the whiskey's not a requirement.

Not a requirement. Cause that wouldn't be cool. So here's the thing. All right. Are you going to walk everywhere in the snow and the cold? I would like to say yes. So I said to my wife, I'd like to get rid of my car. He has said that.

But then I take the kids to school in the morning, except for this morning. I took them this morning. So that'd be kind of annoying if I was like, honey, I'd love to take the kids, but I can't drive. Yeah, I just don't think it's practical. I think it's good to not use your car more than you need to.

But see, this is the same thing as the phone. Everybody says that, nobody does it. Okay, well, what if you like drive to and from work and that's it? I just think it's easier sometimes to go all out than to try to do it. I'm not sure how serious I am about giving up my car, right? So I'm just thinking this stuff through.

But I do think generally speaking, it's easier to go full on, all out on something than to regulate it. So you can walk to church, but a lot of people can't walk to church. No, for sure. I'm not telling them to give up their cars. Shall I take your phone? No, no, no, sorry. We have a child at home,

so that's why I am looking at my phone and communicating with someone that's with our child. Shall I hold the phone? No. And read the text for you on air? I don't know if it may be appropriate to do that. No, I'm not telling people to give up their cars. I'm saying I might.

Okay. Yeah. I support you in that, as long as you're willing to drive my car to drive our children to school on mornings that I'm not feeling well. I wanna ask Mark Barnes to be on the show. Mark Barnes. Mark Barnes. Totally different people, but sure.

Mark, I would never say this to his face, but he is just such a cool guy. And he doesn't have a car. He doesn't believe in cars. I think he has a car in his shed if the kid needs to go to hospital or something. But that's pretty much it. He's got this great article about why Christians shouldn't have smartphones. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe I'm overstating it. But he's got this great article on why Christians shouldn't use smartphones. And in the beginning,

he has a criticism of cars. He's got this great line. It says, a man with a car in a world made for feet is a god a man with a car in a world made for cars is in traffic interesting I do want to learn these ways to being more simple and but I don't think everybody lives walking distance to agree fully agree no you're right do you want to do a Costco run for me? The reason we don't do, the reason we don't live in walking distance is because of cars though. That's the point. That's true. Yeah. Yeah. So like Ireland, we could walk, like we had our car die on us multiple times in Ireland, but we were able to- Sometimes because we crashed it, continue.

Went off a cliff, whatever, you know? But we were able to get to church and we were able to get to a grocery store. Yeah. And I remember having a double stroller and just putting all the groceries in it and strapping kids to me to walk from the store. And it was actually really beautiful and simple. Yeah, that'll be my new thing

rather than giving my phone to someone for the weekend. I'll give my car keys and yours. And they'll be like, sorry. That'll be the day the daughter gets a concussion and we have to go to the hospital. I know, neighbors, please, could you drive us? My 90. Yeah.

So you said you've had people writing to you about the Wyze phone? Yes, multiple people, like real life friends that have seen your videos, I guess. So just update for people, I have a dumb phone that's called a wise phone. It looks like a smartphone. It has maps, group text, voice to text, photos,

but zero internet. And so a lot, I've been talking about that on previous shows, so a lot of people have. So here's the issue I have with your phone. Yep. Friends of mine that are writing, they're like, how's the picture quality? It's not great.

It's not great, but you don't have a photo library. Yeah, I think they're working on that. OK. If you go to camera here, it says beta. So they are working on, see how it says beta by camera? Oh, OK. So they're working on it. Yeah.

So I feel like if you had a photo library, it would be much better. It doesn't need to sync with Google Photos or whatever, but it's like just being a mom taking pictures of kids. No, that's a good point. I mean, cameras really have taken, I mean, people don't have cameras anymore. They don't go somewhere with a camera unless they're professional photographers or something. That's true.

Yeah. Now I get that. But you know, I spoke to one bloke about it yesterday. He's going to do it. And then Derek did it, my mate Derek. Yeah. How could you think you... Yeah, so Elizabeth Evans, Tim Evans is thinking about it. Oh, he's got to do it. Chantel's husband's thinking about it. Maybe Sant. So here's what Derek said, because I told him to get this wise phone right.

And he said he texted me at 429. He said, I'm a wise phone boy now. And then. Two hours later, update. at 429, he said, I'm a wise phone boy now. And then two hours later, update, I'm already experiencing withdrawal. That's awesome. Yeah. Good for him. What would it take for you to,

do you see that as a problem in your life? Would you ever? Your smartphone, I mean, for those. Yeah, no, I know. For those watching, I mean, for those. Yeah, no, I know. For those watching, I mean. Yeah, I know what you're saying. I really enjoy my Marco Polo.

I do it for work, so like I have an Among the Lilies group, and these women are amazing and beautiful, and it really is like an online Catholic community. That's cool, yeah. And then I have friends that I used to be in women's session with, so all my Canadians. I like knowing what's going on in their lives. I like talking to them as I'm building laundry, cleaning dishes, things like that. I'm okay taking social media off of it. I don't use Twitter.

I'm never on Facebook. No, that's cool. Yeah, because I was, and I've never made the point that everybody needs to get rid of it. But yeah, I just wonder without, this isn point that everybody needs to get rid of it But yeah, like I just wonder without This isn't me saying you should get rid of your phone. Keep your phones great I'm just wondering because we don't really actually talk about this. Like have you ever thought to yourself? This is just like too much So maybe that means as you say deleting social media and keeping Marco Polo

Or do you not really notice that because you you're able to deal with large amounts of chaos Remember Patty said that of James I said the same thing of you you're able to deal with large amounts of chaos. Remember Patty said that of James? I said it's something of you. You're able to deal with large amounts of chaos quite aptly. I have a shorter bandwidth and so I tend to get overwhelmed quicker by things.

Yeah. One of the watches I got, I don't have it on now, but I recently had to get a smart watch for my blood pressure and heart rate just because of my health stuff. And one of them like turned on messages. I did not like that. And so I was like, what is going on? I cannot understand why people would want to do that.

Do you have a smartwatch, Neil? I just know it's tethering yourself. You're literally tethering yourself to the internet. So I like my watch without that setting turned on. And so my watch like tells me the time. It tells me my blood pressure, my heart rate. And so like I've had a couple of days where I'm not feeling well and I check it and I'm like,

okay, no, I need to sit down. My heart rate's high. That's actually been helpful. And then I actually, I'm not taking my blood pressure medication. I should probably talk to my doctor about it. But I don't know if it's because of the compression socks that I'm wearing like every day,

but my blood pressure's gone up. You seem better. Thanks. Since when have you felt that way? So I stopped taking it when I was in France because I was like, my blood pressure's awesome. And then I was like, I'm just gonna skip my night dose. And then I kept checking it and I'm like, it's okay.

So I need to talk to my doctor, but it's a steroid that I was on. I'm like, I don't wanna be on this. Like the less medicine I can be on the better. I still desperately need my gabapentin and I need my IBS stuff. So there's other medicines I still have to take, but viewing the heart rate.

So the other night when I got crazy sick, I think the issue was my heart rate went crazy high, but it didn't have my watch on, so I don't know. Okay. And times that I'm- I'd say so. I'd say that was what happened. Do you think so? Yes. Yeah, and times didn't have my watch on, so I don't know. Okay. And times that I'm- I'd say so. I'd say that was what happened. Do you think so?

Yes. Yeah, and times that I have had it on, and I feel like lightheaded or dizzy, it's really low. And so I sit down, I'm like, okay, I'm gonna wait till it goes up. So the watch is convenient for that, but I'm glad I don't get every text message. Especially like I'm on a group text with my family.

I love my family. When I put my phone down and come back after an hour, there's like 58 new messages. So I just don't keep up with them all. Okay. So this might seem like I'm praising myself and maybe I am, but I can't tell if it's because I get overwhelmed quicker than other people, right? Because that's a deficiency perhaps. But it might just be that I'm aware of something that other people aren't immediately aware of. Yeah, I think that's true. I think you're more aware of yourself and your heart and your mind and what's going on with you. I'm clueless to it. And I think it may be a

temperament thing. Yeah, I think you're right. And I wasn't trying to contrast myself with you. I'm just in general. Yeah, but I think that may be part of it. Yes, I think you're right. And same with patties more like that, right? And James is just like big picture idea. Well, it was like, yeah, sorry, I cut you off. Go. No, go ahead. Well, just the idea that you process things externally. Right. So Marco Polo helps me process. Yeah. You find out how you're doing by speaking. I find out how I'm doing by sitting and thinking. Yes. I think that's probably the more virtuous thing. I don't know. Is to sit and think. But as you say, I think it's probably the more virtuous thing. I don't know. Is to sit and think. But as you say, I think it is just a temperament thing

and it might neither be virtuous nor vicious, but just how things are. Cause the other day you were feeling frustrated about something I said. And as you started talking, it was like, you're like, oh. And you said it out loud. Whereas I was like, well, we've been dealing with this for five hours now.

Maybe, didn't you know that when I said that five hours ago? You had no idea until you said it. Interesting. Interesting. And I appreciate you believing me and not be like, no, you were hiding that back. Cause I think sometimes people think that of people that are more like me where we just, and then like, Oh, you've been brooding on that and keeping it secret. And it's like, no, I had no idea what's going on. You don't do that. You don't brood. I don't think. No, it's, I'm really blessed about that. I don't have, it's not that I don't do that. You don't brood, I don't think. No. I'm really blessed about that. It's not that I don't have time to. Yeah, I think it may be that I don't have time to or just, I don't know, it may just be like my ADD too. I have like a million things going

on in my head. And I do think that putting up the phone and putting it away, like I sleep better when you're home and you're like, let's be done with the phones for the night, where if you're not home, it's like, oh, I'm just going to order this thing on Amazon. Oh, I'm going to finish my Marco Polos. And then it's like, how in the world is it midnight? Just like coming here today. Yeah. No, can we, let's do that. Cause that was hilarious. So we were supposed to go live at 12 and I call you at 11 45. And I'm like, Cameron, where are you? And you're like, I just looked at the clock as if that was an excuse. Like how is that an excuse? Five minutes, five minutes before you called me, I'm in my robe, I'm getting ready to jump

into the shower and I was like, let me see how much time I have. And I look at him like, oh my goodness. So I just grabbed the dry shampoo, start spraying my head down because my hair was all greasy. Kind of pulled it up in a pony. Not really. I think it may be going one side or the other. I nearly asked why is it called a ponytail and just as I said it, I realized that it's a pony tail.

I've never made that connection before. The tail. Isn't that stupid that I've never thought about that? No, it's not. It's just one of those things. I've never had a ponytail. That's true. Pipe cleaners are just one of those things. I've never had a ponytail. That's true. Pipe cleaners are another one of those things. So I remember once being like pipe,

pipe cleaner. Yeah. That's what they called a pipe cleaner. Some things make sense. Other things don't like the legs on the wine glass. Yeah. Yeah. So I rushed quickly. Yep. Got dressed real quick through Stephane. My miraculous medal is backwards. I got it in France. That was another really cool thing. It works just as well. Yeah. Backwards. We went to St. Catherine Le Bore to her chapel. Actually, this is really cool. So this is

like in one of the busiest parts of Paris, and the sisters have kept it so you're not allowed to talk inside. So like we brought our whisperers, these little walkie talkie things that you put in your ear. Most places we went, and he's like, you can leave them on the bus, don't bring them with you. And we're like, you're not gonna tell us?

He's like, no, the sisters do not allow it. There is no talking in the church except for responding to mass parts. But they're very strict about keeping it a holy place. Like this is a place for pilgrims to come and pray, not for tourists. Good for them. Yeah, which I thought was really, really good and beautiful. That reminds me of the time you and I were in Rome and there was a lady in front of us

who tried to get into St. Peter's and they sent her away because she had a short skirt on. I thought that was fantastic. And then you chased after her and gave her your scarf, I think, to wear around her. Yeah, I showed her how to make it into a skirt. But I just love that as well. It's like, no, no, just don't dress like a prostitute would here because this is a holy place. All right, you're offended. Why are you offended? I just don't think that's what they say at the gate. I think it's a little more charitable than that. How would you put it? This is a beautiful, holy, sacred place and we would love for you to dress where you're

respecting yourself and the others and it's a place of prayer. And if you're wearing what you wear to the beach, it just doesn't have the same vibe. That is really good. That's way better than what I said. And you are a beautiful daughter of God and we veil what is sacred. So here is a shawl to put over your shoulders. You win. Here's a skirt. That is way better. Yeah.

I think because I was her, right? Like I was that girl at one point in time. And so I had people that talked to me with compassion. I had people that talked to me rudely, but like- And guess which one galvanized you? Like if someone, I bet if someone was rude to you, you were like, screw you. It was rude to you you like screw you Probably just you probably just don't I got asked to change on that Lynn Nolan

The third dukeny just everybody knows this isn't like a beach party. This is a Catholic Ministry that you joined. Yeah, so people know three times you are asked to change Yeah, so this is my first year with net ministries national, National Evangelization Team, and NET has rules for, they're not- That was 20 years ago. I know. All right, we're old. Folks, we are very old. Yeah, yeah.

Do you know Katie Pretzel did two years as well? And Chica also did two years of NET. I didn't know that, no. We were just talking about NET alumni. It's like, focus missionaries, how you're like, oh, you're another focus missionary. NET's like that too, where like you meet another person, like, we you're another focus missionary nuts like that too. We're like you meet another person like

But yes, they're not uber strict with their dress policy, but I got asked to change for the third time You were I was that bad I was I was taught to like be classy so like you can wear something low-cut But then you wear longer shorts like so like emphasize one area of the body, but you know but then you wear longer shorts. Like, so like emphasize one area of the body, but you don't do both at once. Like some kind of hussy. Right. And so I remember getting on Lynn's case and I'm like, what is your problem? Like I get that my shirt was too low and then I get my shorts were too short, but now I have pants and a t-shirt on, like what's your problem? She's like, so I can see when you breathe, your shirt is just so tight. And I was well endowed back then and it just didn't look good.

Like my shirt probably was made of spandex. I don't even remember. But she just loved me in it and was just like, Cameron, it's just because you're so beautiful. Like I want you to dress in a way that demands respect from others. And she said this privately, I'm sure. She did. Yeah. Oh, it was just her and I in a cabin. She pulled me aside.

And as we were walking, like I just kind of went off on her. And I'm like, do you have an issue with my clothing again? And she's like, we'll talk about it when we get to the cabin. Cause I was trying to make a scene in front of other people to be like, look at this woman. Prude, am I right? And she was just so loving. Everyone else is in like denim jumpers.

We don't understand what you're saying. We're on her side actually. Could you get the jumper on with the puffy sleeves? Now you've got the puffy sleeves. I have shoulder pads. That's different. It's still puffy. Does this work or not?

Please let me know in the comments below. No, don't ask anyone in the comments. You look great. Okay, thanks. I like it, I'm gonna wear it. So I've got a standard for modesty I've been thinking about that I wanna run by you and get you to pick it apart. So I would say, I'm gonna wear it. So I've got a standard for modesty I've been thinking about that I wanna run by you and get you to pick it apart.

So I would say generally speaking, you shouldn't, again, I'm just trying this out. It's not like I'm committed to it yet. But generally speaking, you should cover what you would never have somebody touch without it being awkward. So there could be a circumstance where a stranger could touch you on the neck or something like that.

I would find that awkward. It would be but there could be a situation for some I don't know. Okay, forget the neck. Fair enough. I mean, no one would touch you on the nose. That'd be weird. But the knee like if someone touched you on the knee just patted you Hey, how's it going? That might be weird. It depends on how they did it. I know depends on how to do it.

It could be a really awkward way. But my point is, if your skirt is so short, there's obviously a place where if someone touches it, that's almost sexual abuse or is sexual harassment. Yeah, I'd punch him. So don't cover that area or that part that you wouldn't want somebody. I'd be in one of those hazmat suits if that was the case.

Because if someone came up and like caress my cheek in a way that I'm like, don't touch me. No, no, no, okay, that's right. Okay, you're right. Okay. But I see what you're saying. You've successfully done it. That's not a good, it's not a good thing.

But I see what you're saying and I see where you're going with it. If you would never have somebody like lay their hand on your upper thigh or your thigh at all, your lower thigh, like just, you could cover that up, generally speaking. If I'm playing soccer and I'm running around. That's why I say generally. Yeah.

Or I'm at a beach. I liked Father Bill's thing with the whole, like I never understood why people were anti-strapless dresses. And when he said like, it looks like a row, like bridesmaid dresses, he had this rule that you had to wear a shawl if you had a strapless dress. I'm like, Father Bill, why?

And he's like, the rest of the church just sees a whole row of naked women. I'm like, no, you don't. And then every time I see someone, even like when we go to Mass at Franciscan, I'll sit down, I'm like, that girl needs to know that she just looks naked from behind. And because you don't see the shoulders.

Totally. I like how Emily Wilson put it, you know, Emily, she had a video on modesty and she likes to think of it as like being somebody who dresses with class and talking about it that way. Like respecting yourself and dressing in a way, you know. That demands respect. Kind of, yeah. If I went to church in my pajamas, like, what does that say about me? If I go to a job interview and just like jeans

and a t-shirt, well, I probably would do that. But like, what does that say about me? It's like nothing good. I don't think. Yeah, yeah, I think for a normal situation, yes, that's true. But I think someone's saying like, it's never okay to have pajamas on

if you're receiving the Eucharist. Well, I was sick in the hospital and I had a hospital gown on. So I had a priest come in and celebrate Mass. Like, but that's not the norm. Normally I would not show up to mass in a hospital gown or pajamas. Yes. You want to dress.

And I think it's good to teach. We try to do that with our children. Like you need to look nice. Yeah. And that's hard when you've got four kids whose clothes have all been stuffed into drawers and we're trying to maintain it, but can't. And, but no, it is good. I remember somebody saying to me how it was important that we dress well for

mass and she was mocking it and she said oh yes because God hates people with Ugg boots on as if that was the point no he doesn't hate people with Ugg boots on no it's just you should and so for the longest time I never really did try Australia is a lot more casual and laid back anyway. My family, that's something that we did do. It's really important. My parents made us dress nice. Yeah.

I think it was more for like what other people thought, but they instilled that in us. Even that. Like you wear a nice dress to mass. That's a good enough reason, I think. Even just to start there, like dress in a way that you don't stand out and look like a slob in front of other people. You should be ashamed of that. You should be ashamed to look like a slob. Yeah. Although Peter's really gotten on a kick that he doesn't have to wear shoes when we go to mass at

Franciscan. He's like, because it's Franciscan. And other kids do that. Yeah. Yeah. He looks nice, but yeah, he's barefoot most of the time. Oh, it's fun. Yeah. Yeah. I think that we need to give people grace, but no, it's true. We should look nice. And we have taken kids to mass, like really late when we were going to Divine Liturgy and it was like a candlelight vigil. We would bring little ones in pajamas. And it's not even that, like, I think it's better not to say you ought to look nice,

but you ought to look better here than you do usually. Even if better here isn't up to anyone's standards, you should at least try. Like if all you have is like pairs of jeans and can't afford anything else, well, wear the best pair of jeans you have. Janet Haffernick was really big into that. Cause I, when we ran a confirmation program in Houston

and I said they need to wear dress pants. And she's like, no, Cameron, cause we may have some children that cannot afford that. We want them to be ironed and looking nice. But if the jeans are all they have, iron the jeans and make them look nice. I would think it more likely that they had dress pants than an iron.

What if it happened to irons? Do people still use irons? Yeah. Rob McNamara uses an iron. He does, yeah. Do you have an iron, Neil? I don't have one now. We have one. We have one? We do? I don't have one now. We have one. We have one?

We do? I didn't even know we had one. Yeah, it's in the basement, in the laundry room. Do you know where the laundry room is? I think I know where the laundry room is. You've had a work car washer and dryer? Yes, I used it once. Did you?

I did while you were gone in France. I had to wash things. I appreciate that. Although I would respect myself a lot more if I didn't know how to use it. I do not respect your friend that did not know how to use that or the dishwasher. I went to John Henry's who used to play D&D with us and Ange was in Minnesota with the kids. He's like, you know how to use this?

It was the dishwasher. He had no idea. But the thing that made it okay is that all the meat they eat, he hunts, kills, skins, guts. If you're providing that level of service to your family, it's okay if you don't. And I think his five-year-old knew how to turn the buttons on on the washer. I was like, I looked at him because I thought he had to be joking. Nope.

But yeah, he wasn't, but I don't think he ever tried very hard. So there you are. Well, should we take questions or something? Sure, we could take questions. There was a super chat from earlier that wasn't really a question. When you were talking about not having a car, they said, I have a driver's license, but in the town I'm in, I don't need one and being able to walk to work, church and being able to carry groceries home has been a blessing.

Can they hear you say that in the mic? Yeah. You know, it's funny is my grandma never learned to drive, nor did my uncle, Brian, never drove. He never I think because he was in an accident earlier on, and a couple of friends, at least one died tragically. That's how you die in a car accident tragically. You never die in a car accident non tragically. And so he never drove. So he just walked everywhere. But Perry is the kind of place where you can do that

as well. You could do that. Yeah. But I was, you know, I wish I had. But it still is like a sacrifice to do that. I feel like we borrowed your parents' car when we were there to get around because it was more convenient. Oh yeah, no, for sure. Yeah. But you can, you can walk. And I do think Steubenville. I don't think I don't think you can walk and get groceries. No, but hey, do you know that New Pauly have

started this grocery thing? No, it's so cool. I gotta tell you about it. So there's let's just do it now. We can do it later. But we have time right now. So you go online and you order what you want and farmers from around the area of student will every Saturday bring I want to do it. Why haven't you told me? Cause they, I just found out about this week or last week. New polity. Why didn't you tell me sooner? Cause it just started.

Oh, okay. That's fair. So you have people who are like, Oh, I love it. Dave Matthews sells his coffee. They got vegetables. You can buy maple syrup for a thousand dollars a bottle, but we have to do that. I would love to get away from not going to Kroger. Yeah. I'm all about it.

So we buy eggs from the Yabs. We have a neighbor who doesn't actually, it's a farm that's nearby and we buy eggs from her. So let's do it. And I put it in my order, but I've thought of that. Yeah, isn't that awesome? Yeah. And so people just bring their stuff

and you order it so they know what to bring and then you go pick up your stuff. I think it's every Saturday. That's great. I have ordered stuff from a farm in Pennsylvania. The other thing that would be good doing that is you would pick up your stuff. I think it's every Saturday. That's great. I have ordered stuff from a farm in Pennsylvania. The other thing that would be good doing that is you would just start eating healthier. Well, what's, what day is today?

I think farmer's market's tomorrow. Is it Wednesday? Yeah. So tomorrow's farmer's market. I can go buy stuff. Stubingville? Yeah, down on fourth street. I love when I accidentally drive by it.

I'm like, oh, I gotta stop, it's farmer's market. Isn't that just in the morning, early? Ah, no, it's most of the day. I think they close at like noon, but it's like 8 a.m. To noon. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, so I'll go there tomorrow and get produce I also prefer Aldi then Kroger. It would just be cool like here if we started a little grocer on 4th Street Yeah, that'd be great. Yeah, I just told everyone don't go to don't go to Kroger the problem with little places like that They normally have gross processed stuff and not good food.

So that's what I like. I like the idea of getting farmers involved and getting, because we want the good food. I don't want to buy, like I'm not willing to sacrifice my health to get something from the guy on the corner. Yeah. No, they could be a way to do it. But if they provide good things. Again, this is what's cool about Steubenville.

It's just people want to build a little Christian society here. Yeah. Yeah. Well, and that's one thing that I did love in France. They had these little tiny grocery stores. Here we go again with France. Try to praise Steubenville, you bring it back to Paris. I'm just saying let's move to France, okay?

That's all I'm trying to say. No, not really. Oh, that's all. But no, they had these great little grocery stores and they were tiny and they had just like buckets. I bought a fig that was literally the size of my palm. Like it was beautiful and I ate it like an apple. Sounds genetically modified.

I don't think it was though. I think it was just really rich soil. But they had like so much produce and fresh, beautiful things and like their bread, like they throw it away after one day. How cool would it be if we illegally bought liquor from somebody who makes it in town? And that's just the liquor everyone drinks.

We would never ever do that. Oh, we know lying's a sin. So I would definitely do it. Yeah. Yeah. Super Chad. Hi, Benjamin, who comes in next week to visit by the way. How was the weather there?

It's sunny today. But cold. But cold. Oh yeah, cause Ben you'll be here soon. Next week. Bring a coat. Bring a coat for sure. Coat, gloves, hat, you know, just to be safe.

I think it was 30 this morning. There was frost on the windshield. Yeah. But yay! Any other questions or is that kind of it? crossed on the windshield. Yeah. But yay. Any other questions or is that kind of it? Is anyone watching? Just Ben?

Holy smokes. Feel free to ask questions. Can you imagine, like if someone invited us to a conference and said, would you speak to these 500 people? We'd be like, oh, well that's a lot of people. And that's- We wouldn't do this though. We'd be like talking at them.

This is so much easier. This is. This is why I find- I like this mug too. Difficult to justify my travels these days. Like I've declined like three or four speaking engagements the last few days, because of your health. And also just cause I can reach more people

doing this sort of stuff. Yeah. I know it's not the same, but- If they're, you gotta say yes to things in the South, especially if they wanna bring me and the kids with us with them with you Um, I want to go to warm weather. So all winner Matt will say yes if you live in the south And you want to bring him and me and our children will come but if you're in the north, sorry, North Dakota He's not coming back. I was just in North Dakota last week

Beautiful place really really great. Okay. can I tell you what? This blew me away. I nearly teared up when this happened. Last time I went to North Dakota, it was five years ago. Really cool people there. And I went to a high school and spoke. Okay. So just this last weekend, I was there and I gave a talk for this young adult group. And then I'm downstairs and a young boy, well he's a young adult, 22, 23, so young boy since I'm 83, came up to me and he said, hey, I want to thank you for that talk you gave five years ago. Like I've been free of porn ever since. Oh, praise God. Now when people say things like that to me, I always say something in return like, well, yeah, that's awesome

It's a daily battle because it is a daily battle It's not like you flip a switch and then you never struggle with it again So I always sort of say that just in case they overstated their recovery to me. Does that make sense? Yeah, but he went well, yeah, it's a daily battle, but I haven't I haven't done it in five years I nearly I didn't cry, but I nearly teared up. It was beautiful, yeah. That's amazing. Yeah, but North Dakota is amazing. Like usually I go around places telling them to move to Steubenville so they can have

a good Catholic community, but they've got good Catholics. They're manly priests. Good. Yeah. Yeah, good people. It's because of the winter. You have to be manly to survive. Yeah, beautiful women. Just the men were masculine, the women were feminine.

The old people look like old people. Gotta love it. The priests wore cassocks. What else do you need? Nothing. Nope, nope, that's good. It's beautiful. Oh, does a diet count as spiritual fasting? That's a good question. So I think it depends on what the purpose of the diet is. So like we did Whole30 during Lent and I think that we were offering it up So I think that did count because we were sacrificing a lot of different things We were doing it for a twofold

Well, you were mainly doing it just to sacrifice but for me it was to help improve my health as well as sacrificing things But if you're like I'm fat and I'm gonna lose weight improve my health as well as sacrificing things. But if you're like, I'm fat and I need to lose weight, so I'm going to do a diet and I'm just going to say that it's for religious reasons too, I don't think that counts? Yeah, I think, yeah, prayer, yeah, fasting without prayer is dieting. So I suppose if you're fasting- And praying.

There could be multiple reasons for the fast. And so long as you're sort of praying through it and offering it up, it could be multiple reasons for the fast and so long as you're sort of praying through it and offering it up, it could be a fast. But you know, sometimes fasting means like eating what's put in front of you, even though it'll make you fat, you know? Like let's say you're not eating wheat or anything like that because you want to lose weight and you go somewhere and they put down a bowl of pasta in front of you. You know what I mean? That can be a fast. It can. Unless you're like weight and you go somewhere and they put down a bowl of pasta in front of you. You know what I mean? That can be a fast.

It can, unless you're like me and you're gonna vomit and then that's not helpful. Yeah, that's right. If you're gonna like eat the bowl and then like refill it with regurgitated food, don't do that. But no, I agree. We were on, when I was on net, there was a pre,

no, a bishop that served us a steak dinner on a Friday during Lent. Ooh, bad bishop. And we were like. I'm joking. I don't know if there was a pre, no, a bishop that served us a steak dinner on a Friday during Lent. And we were like, I don't know if he was or not. He may have just been. Is that what you told him? He was a bad bishop? Yes, no. We all look to our team leader

because that's what we're taught to do. And he just said, thank you so much for this beautiful meal. We really appreciate it. Cut into a steak, ate a bite, and we're all like, we're eating steak. And in that situation, it was better for us to- How rude.

Yeah, it would have been incredibly rude. Right, for the bishop to have gone through the trouble of making 12 steaks, and I was like, sorry. I don't know if you know this, it's Friday during Lent. So we're not eating this. It was Lent? It was Lent. Yeah, okay, that's not cool.

I think it was the beginning of Lent. I think maybe he forgot. Yeah, okay. That's not cool. I think it was the beginning of lent. I think maybe he forgot Yeah, whatever another super chat Do we have any speaking Events yeah, no, we're close to Pittsburgh. We are close to Pittsburgh But again, I'm just sort of saying no to things like that That would be a really easy talk to say yes to though. Yeah, it would. And so I'm open to Pittsburgh. It's mainly for you, right?

Like if I wake up and go and you're sick. I know. Yeah, it's really hard to tell if I'm gonna have a good day or a bad day. And so... Another super chat from Benjamin. Benjamin Handelman! It says, this is what Derek said about you ditching your car. Might as well swap out Tylenol for cocaine and smoke menthol cigarettes to treat a cough. Thoughts?

Did they hear you say that, Mike? That's amazing. Derek is hilarious. Yeah, no. That's a... No comment. You're not even going to comment on it. No, he's just joking.

So I don't feel the need to respond. Ha ha ha ha, Derek. Ha ha ha ha. Now Ha ha ha ha ha. Now I want to know what the next thing to give up is. Because I want it to become increasingly cool. Here are two things I want to do. Buy my own coffin, put it in the corner of my room. You said this multiple times and we have moved so many times.

I don't think the coffin would still be with us. Yes, yeah, it's probably true. We could have filled it up with stuff and shipped it. Books and things. Okay, let me finish. Coffin in the corner of my office filled with icons and that's my prayer corner and that's where you stick me and throw me in the ground. Now? Or just if I get angry at you? After I'm dead. Oh, I have to wait till you're dead. You have to wait till I'm dead. No, no, if the coffin's there and I get really angry

with you, I think I should be allowed to throw you in it. Why? Why do you think that? Just because you want a coffin in our house. No, I'll keep it in my office. I think this would deter allowed to throw you in it. Why? Why do you think that? Just because you want a coffin in our house. No, I'll keep it in my office. I think this would deter you from having a coffin. Anytime I get upset, I'm like, that's it. I'm just throwing you in the coffin. All right, so I want to get a coffin, and then I also want to get rid of email. I'd love to get off email.

That'd be cool. If you knew somebody, like, I don't have email, wouldn't you be like, wow, that's a cool guy? Okay, a guy that doesn't do this for a living could do that, but you can't. Okay, here's where I would like to be. Well, I mean, Melanie doesn't disagree. What if, what if, what if we start to phase out of YouTube and I record my podcasts on cassette tape and mail them to my patrons quarterly?

No. Well, three times a week. No. Neil's gonna be busy yet. Neil, I need you to know this one. Really? Yeah, I quit. I could just send them the MP3 file.

No, no, no, no. That'd be kinda cool. Oh, records. No, you have records, but you can't do this on a record. Ooh, yeah, you're right. No, no, I think that it's great. Cassette tapes. Give up shoes.

Why don't you just walk barefoot everywhere? Okay. I could do that. I feel like that doesn't affect our family starving to death and you not having any income. Right, just give up shoes. Yeah, that's fair. Give up shoes.

Although, would you want to walk around Stupenville with no shoes? No, definitely not. France, however. Yes, I would do it in France. Beautiful pavements there. Beautiful. Never any syringes laying around.

Bro, it's true. Two more super chats. Beautiful. Never any syringes laying around. Colin Cormier says a coffin for when you start coughing lol and then I'm not sure how to pronounce Della Mora I think. What saint has gotten your attention recently? What saint has gotten your attention recently? I think probably st. Zellie. I already shared on it, but she got my attention recently the mother of Terez yeah, and st. Catherine Le Bore got my attention too mainly because we were there and praying in the convent and I don't know just a re-falling in love with the Miraculous Medal. I feel like I used to have one and wear it all the time and it's been a while. It's cool too that we're doing it certainly as a family now because Peter has his and

Peter's is the biggest. You want to show them the size of yours? Yeah, it's not that big but I have a little tiny one. Peter our seven-year-old has the biggest one. He's like this big and he's telling everyone that it's real gold. It's not real gold. I tried to tell him. I'm like, it's valuable because the sisters made it.

Like his is actually made from the convent. I was like, I don't know what it's made of. He's like, it's made of gold. You can see that it's gold. It does look gold. But I was like, well, it's special because it's from God, right? Like it's special because of our faith and our lady protecting us and trying to tell them all the reasons that it's special.

Not because it's gold, but I mean, it being gold, I guess makes it special as well. But yeah, just the beauty and the sacred heart too. Oh, oh, that was really cool. So we actually went to, oh, what was it called? Saint-Lacroix, Sacro-Croix. Just say it in English. Sacred Heart, Basilica. French will be dead soon anyway, just.

No it won't, it's a beautiful language. It is beautiful. Anything they say, like that sounds amazing. But it's not as nice as American with a Southern accent. That is actually my favorite. When- No way. Oh. Really?

Girls with a Southern accent, like you had something like a southern accent we met. And there's a fine line, right, between like, hey there. I'm not too well- That's okay. Hey there, how's it going? That's okay. Let it be a little southern droll, little southern bell accent. It's glorious. More like Alabama or South Carolina.

As John Henry says, he likes it when people sound like they're from somewhere. I like that. I don't know if that applies to me. Anyway, Sacred Heart. Yes. So, we happened to go to the church on the feast day of the Sacred Heart or of Margaret Mary? I think it was of Margaret Mary, yeah? I don't know. She who had the…

Margaret Mary of Alcock, yeah, who stayed at the Visions. Yes. So, we happened to be there on her feast day, which was amazing. And then we had Mass in the basement, or not basement, you don't call it that, the crypt, in the crypt. And there was the most gorgeous pieta where, I don't know, I just felt so drawn to like Mary just opening and like, here's my son, like inviting us in. I did a YouTube thing on it, on my channel, on Among the Lilies, talking about my experience, but it was just really beautiful and amazing, and I just, I love the Sacred Heart, and I feel like

both of us had a very strong devotion to the Sacred Heart and call to it in our engagement, which was really beautiful and powerful, and yeah, just feeling like the Lord's pulling us in and hugging us close to his sacred heart. People should know that too. You have a podcast called Among the Lilies. I promoted it the other day in North Dakota to two girls at a coffee shop. Oh, thanks. Those are my two new subscribers. Thanks girls in North Dakota. It's funny, I always feel like weird about telling people about podcasts because it's like I know that there are more podcasts than humans, but I said to them, my wife has a

podcast and you love it. It's for women. It's terrific. I promise it's great. So they were like, Oh, no, I love podcasts. That's what they said. Oh, no, I love podcasts. Just like that. That's fun. So they subscribed. A saint I've been getting into lately is Socrates, who I know is an a canonized saint, but there's no way he's not a saint. There's a possibility he wasn't a real person. Really? He could have just been the incarnation of philosophy as Plato. I don't know. Some people say that. I like to think he was a real person. Well, then he can't be in heaven. Yeah, Socrates must be. There you go. Yeah, I just read Phaedo and Mino. These are different dialogues of Plato's and I just love Socrates so much. I just love him. In fact, Neil, I

was thinking about, you know, how we're doing those round table discussions. That's what we got to do. We're going to like get Jacob and Rob and we'll read like say a dialogue of Plato's. And then discuss it. And we'll do, yeah, like maybe every two weeks and we'll tell people, read this, don't watch this and then we'll just sit around and drink and discuss it. Oh, that's great. do, yeah, like maybe every two weeks and we'll tell people, read this, don't watch this, and then we'll just sit around and drink and discuss it. Oh, that's great. Yeah, yeah, like a book study.

Yeah, and you're gonna tell people ahead of time so they can also read it? Yeah. Good. Because it's 35 of dialogue. Yeah, because then they can also be in your, they can be in your discussion. Like obviously it's mainly you three talking,

but then the super chats can be like, well, this is what I thought when I read it. Yeah, that's really cool. Yeah, no, it's so good. I like that. Yeah. All right, we'll get some more read it. Yeah, that's really cool. Yeah, no, it's so good. I like that. Yeah. Wow, God bless you. Thank you for being a super chatter.

Stephanie Marsh says, what if anything should one do if they're denied receiving on the tongue during mass? Ooh. Okay, what should you do? What should you do and what ought you do? I'm not sure. I guess it shouldn't alter the same, aren't they?

If I was denied reception of the Eucharist on my tongue, I would say, shame on you, to the person, and then walk away. And then I'd go tell the priest to give me the Eucharist after. That's what I would do. What would you do? I'm assuming it's a lay person. I'm assuming it's a lay person. I'm assuming it's a lay person when you're asking. And then I just get out of that line and go to another.

I go to the priest line or the deacons line. But I still say shame on you. They should be deeply ashamed of themselves. So we went to, when COVID like first hit, we went to a church in Atlanta. You were out of town. Okay. So, oh, see, I see. So I think they're meaning cause of COVID times. I still think shame on them, but less shame maybe. No, I don't, total shame.

No, cause I think there's more germs actually by your hands. I think that's more germs, cause you're touching pews. So that's what I do, what would you do? We went to a car mass and I- Oh, I didn't, did I? No, you were out of town. Yep, top guy.

Anyhow, our church was doing divine liturgy outside and friends said that this car mass was good, so I went. And then you could stay in your car and roll down your windows for communion. We got out and we all like knelt down in the grass, like in the parking lot. And I think Peter was the first one up, so he was young, right? And they just kind of looked at me and he's sticking his tongue out. I nodded. I nodded yes. My hands are around him.

I stick my tongue out. And they were like, ah, ah, and they like hesitated. And I was like, he receives. And then for me, amen. And then so they gave us all communion, but we made the announcements at the end of Mass. And what was interesting was the priest was talking about being courageous and was talking about a saint who was like super courageous and all this stuff. And then after mass, they made an announcement, just a reminder, no one is to receive on the tongue because it

is more dangerous, all these things because of COVID. And this is early days. This isn't recently. This is early days of COVID. And so I went up to the priest afterwards, pulled him aside and I was like, hey, father, I just wanna talk to you about that. I think maybe it was my family that made the announcements about receiving on the tongue, or no, I affirmed him for his homily. And I was like, I loved how you talked about being courageous. And I think we are called in this time of uncertainty

and we don't know what's going on with this whole COVID thing. I think we need to be courageous and our Lord is our Lord. And I think if we think that it is best to receive him on the tongue, that should be allowed. And he's like, well, we don't want to put people at risk. And I was like, sorry, Father, so you're holding the Eucharist in your hand. You put it on my tongue. If anyone's at risk, wouldn't it be me? It would be your thumb that potentially would touch my tongue. And I was like, have us receive at the end. And I just questioned him and pushed him a bit

to like just be courageous. Like this is the body of Christ. This isn't, and then I also, yeah. So I talked to him about it. That's what I would do. And if that priest isn't open to it, go to another parish. Yeah. Another question.

Yes, we have another super chat. We have another super chat from ExcelInferno123. Kids are gonna eat tonight. You two clearly enjoy each other's company, inspiring him to spend more time with my wife. That's what it says. Also- Good. You should spend time with your wife.

She's probably awesome. Also COVIDTyrannySucks is just a note he had. Is he from Australia? Everybody I run into lately is like, oh, you're from Australia? And everyone run into lately is like, oh, you're from Australia. And everyone says the same thing. Like, I thought Australians were like rugged and individualistic and awesome. I'm like, no, it's not. I don't think Australia is as bad as Canada. Yeah. Did I tell you about recently with, I think it's Saskatchewan, it may just be Saskatoon. Did

I tell you about this? No, you didn't. But you want me to stay on YouTube, right, for a bit longer? Okay, yeah. You don't have to. We can crash and burn this ship right now if you want. No, but they're making it really hard for people. They were trying to shut down the churches. Gosh. Yeah, make things a lot harder for people. Yeah. Find a priest who will disobey the government. Yeah. We have lived in times where, oh, you know what? One cool thing. Another cool thing about France.

Sorry, I got to keep going back to France. It was so amazing. We went to a place that's always, that's had, it's the longest standing, having the Blessed Sacrament expose adoration. And they had adoration through World War I and World War II. But even more impressive through COVID.

They didn't stop adoration. That's awesome. Which I just thought respect. I mean, when you're afraid you're gonna get murdered and stuff, that's also super cool. I think a lot of churches though, like kept it going during- That's amazing.

Wars, but they kept it going even during COVID. Beautiful. We have another super chat from David. Hello, David. Villefana says, hey Matt, it was nice to meet you in Bismarck by the way Tolkien's favorite blend is actually capstan Navy flake hopefully I have a tin on me if I see you again. Oh okay so this is the fellow who got me a tin of three nuns which is CS Lewis's favorite tobacco. You put three nuns in a tin? In a tin yeah. That's not okay.

Was sister Natalia one of them? No, she's a mother, no. So it was these sisters. Oh, three sisters, okay. But, yeah. Sister Mary? I suppose this is the fellow who got me the tobacco, so a big thanks to him. I've already been enjoying it with a couple of friends already, so thanks a lot for that. I saw him smoking it. I'm not lying. I don't know why. We have another one from Delamora from rdelamora17. Have you tried praying the complete rosary all four for a week? No. No, I haven't either. Cool.

All right. Another one from Benjamin Handelman saying, does Stupenville have mouse plagues? Okay, no. Australia does. That was his point. Mouse plagues? Oh, they're the worst. What does that mean? When I was a kid, we had a mouse plague

and they were everywhere. Seriously? If you look up, have you, you should Google this and show them what it looks like. Type in mouse plague Australia and you'll probably find roads that look like carpet. No, we have a ladybug plague going on. It's kind of cute actually.

There's a lot of ladybugs. That's disgusting. Coming into our house right now. We have like, yeah, lines of them on the ceiling. You see anything cool? Uh, cool is a word for it. Super gross. No, I remember like people, like friends of mine would find mice would be in their cupboards,

like in their drawers. Oh. friends of mine would find mice which would be in their cupboards like in their drawers and my friend and you get so like outraged and and callous to the fact that this is happening in your house. Are you killing him? Yeah, like even Evie grabbed a hammer and smashed its head like on a counter. Oh, does it blood go everywhere? Yeah, totally. Oh, that's when you get Liam snake and you let it free in the house.

Yeah, I feel like I rather a python going around my house than a bunch of mice. Can you imagine biting a mouse's head off? No. Why would I even say that? No, why would you say that? That's gross. I'm repulsed. Imagine feeling it wriggling. No, no, no, no, let's move on. Do you have another question, Neil? Squeeze down with your jaw. Another question, please. Please. Any question? Doesn't need to be a super chat. Just make one up. Earlier they wanted to know Cameron, if you have any thoughts about your experience of

messing with Matt using the Wyze phone. Oh yes, what is Cameron's opinion of me using the Wyze phone? He has perhaps used my phone multiple times actually. That's not true. You have. I used it last night. You want to check something. Right, to do the ad. You were looking at it. Exodus 90. Yeah. Well that's different. Yeah,. I used it last night. You want to check something, right? To do the ad.

You were looking at it. Exodus 90, yeah. Well, that's different. Yeah, you've borrowed it a couple of times. I've borrowed it a couple of times. So what she's saying is her life's become a little more difficult, but I don't do it much. That's true.

You don't, no. For those who are interested, teclis.com is how you get a wise phone. They're not paying me to do this at all. Why aren't they? They should. They should. Yeah. But I just believe in what they're all. Why aren't they? They should. They should. But I just believe in what they're doing. Lysphone, sponsor this podcast.

There are a group of Christians who live in McKinney and they invented this. No, they don't. McKinney. Yes. My family's a... Did you tell them that? I know that. My parents live in McKinney, Texas. Someone's calling.

Should I answer it? I mean, that's probably awkward. You were getting mad at me for just looking at texts. But yeah, so there are a group of Christians... Hey, Molly Yabs is watching us live. I need to get my eggs. Thank you. I talked about her earlier in the show, but now that I know she's watching live, I'm not a paper, just looking at tags. But yeah, so there are a group of Christians. Hey, Molly Yabs is watching us live. I need to get my eggs, thank you. I talked about her earlier in the show, but now that I know she's watching live,

I requested duck eggs as well as chicken eggs, and I'm excited for fresh eggs from a farm. All right, so here's what we're doing. Tomorrow, everybody watching, we have an amazing interview with Stephen Rommelsberg. Is this not amazing? This is incredible. This will definitely be worse than that. Worse? No, that would definitely be worse than this. This one couldn't be better. This is worse than Stephen Rommelsberg. Is this not amazing? This is incredible. This will definitely be worse than that.

Worse? No, that would definitely be worse than this. This one couldn't be better. This is worse? This is even Rommelsberg? No, this is the greatest interview I've ever had. Do you think he's more attractive than me? No, I do not think that. I do not think that. He has nice glasses, but look. In his prime maybe, but not now. I have nice glasses today. Not now. He's gotten older. He's let himself go a little bit. 20 years ago, you may have had a run for your money. That's all I'm saying, you know, but now... It's because I didn't put mascara on, is that why? It was funny. We were in the elevator earlier and you were teaching me how to roll my eyelashes because you said you didn't have makeup on or... So I put, I had like concealer in the car and I did this real quick and then I had like lipstick that I did on my lips and my cheeks real quick and rubbed them.

You put lipstick on your cheeks? Yeah. Oh funny. Yeah it's like lip color. You can do that? It's like a stick, it's like a three in one. I sometimes do it for, when I'm in a rush for eyelash. The point was we were both standing in the elevator looking at the window and you were

telling me how to roll my eyelashes with my finger and I promise you that in 38 years I have never once thought to do that. Yeah it's because I was running late and I didn't have time to put makeup on and I was like, oh gosh, my eyes are like really puffy and swollen. And it was because you just looked at the clock. That's why you are.

I just looked at the clock. Yeah, it's not your fault. It's cause you just looked at the clock. Right, thank you. Thank you for understanding. Imagine how much worse I would be if I didn't have a smartphone that was telling me what time it is.

I also didn't have my watch on. So we're gonna go pick up Stephen. So we curled our eyelashes. Sorry, yes. In the elevator. I don't know if you can tell if you curled yours. I don't think you did it very well. You only did one eye that I can tell because these eyelashes are going like down. And there's no so no, no, no.

So go like this and then hold it up like that just for like a minute. And if you can, you can like that in your eye. Yeah. I don't know. Do you I think there was a time when men didn't wear cologne and they smelled bad because my granddad thought it was a gay thing to do a bloody guys wear that stuff I said yeah but the guys smell good you smell like cheese and urine I don't know why cheese and I don't know. Why cheese and urine? I don't know, because cheese wasn't bad enough, so I reached for something worse.

Speaking of cheese, the cheese in France was amazing. And speaking of urine. Have you had cheddar singles? Joan of Arc's area smelled like urine. It was really sad, yeah. Drunk people? Yeah, I think so. And they made the church shaped like an upside-down Viking ship.

Oh, for goodness sake. But the saving grace was when World War II happened, they took all the windows out of the cathedral and hid them, I guess, and they survived, and they put them in this church. So it's gorgeous stained glass windows, but then the rest of the church are like, this is just weird. Why? We should have hidden our beautiful things from the Vatican II reformers. Right? Wouldn't have been a bad idea. Stuff.

Let's take down this beautiful thing and put up felt banners. Ugly thing. What do you think? We think it's ugly. What the hell? What are we thinking? I think they should have brought in some atheists and be like, this is what we want to do. What do you think? And the atheists would have been like, no, bad idea.

Are you stupid? This is just good art. What else are you gonna do? Oh, the stained glass. I went to a church in Chard, maybe. It's a cathedral. Oh my goodness, Our Lady's veil. I didn't know that was a thing.

I mean, I figured Our Lady wore a veil or a head wrap type something rather. We actually have. It's like Our Lady's, I don't know if it was, what did you call the, I mean, I'm calling it a veil. Just called a veil. Okay. It's there. So we were in this church with the most beautiful stained glass. So this guy was known for his blue in his stained glass. It's just amazing stained glass windows. This is a church that I sent you the picture of the depiction of Christ's circumcision. Oh, okay. Morning! I woke up and saw that. Okay, thanks,

Cam. I just have never seen that. I've seen like Christ's dedication in the temple, but he's always just like a baby and they're holding him. In this window. This one. Snip, snip. Yeah. I just thought that was pretty great. Yeah.

But anyhow, there's all these- Can you, that guy has to face God one day. I'm so sorry I cut off the tip of your penis. But you ordered it. You said that this is what you wanted. You told me to do it. Yeah. For Abraham, this was- Do you think Jesus cried?

Yes. When, yeah, during his circumcision? Sure, I don't know. Did he feel the pain? What was more painful, his circumcision or his crucifixion? This is a very strange question. The crucifixion. Yeah, you're sure?

Quite confident, yeah. Okay, cool. I just wanted to ask a random question. Just ask random questions, but in a way that the person thinks that there's something else. Well let me ask you this. What was more painful? Breastfeeding Jesus or wearing earrings? Or when he accidentally peed on you when you were changing his diaper? Questions to ask Our Lady that many have not asked her. No, it's beautiful. Tommy Lee says, Tommy Lee. You both think about homesteading.

I recommend growing your own chickens. I, homesteading, growing your own chickens. I think homesteading is cool. Yeah. We should get chickens soon. We have bees. We do. We have a python.

Yep. We have a garden. A garden. A smallish garden. I'd like to get more. I would love to get one for next spring. I do miss our chickens. Yeah.

I miss Flannery. Flannery is great. What? Did I tell you what I did last night? No. You know that really steep road that's not very safe leaving our house? Yeah.

I may have stopped on it, put on my emergency lights, got out of the car and ran after a cat yelling, Pikachu, come here, Pikachu, come here. Our old cat. And? People that know more about cats than me, do all orange cats look the exact same?

Because it looked just like Pikachu. And was it? I don't know, it didn't let me get close enough. It ran away. It ran away, but I was running after it. And I'm like, this is gonna be like, she got murdered on this back road, why would she get out of the car?

Yeah, yeah. But I thought I saw Pikachu. So I like the other, I'm saying, my thing is I think a lot of people probably romanticize it and think it's going to be easier than it is. Yeah. Do you remember how much chicken poo was at our old place? Oh, I hated that so freaking much. But the chickens work you. And it was great to have fresh eggs.

I think so long as, yeah, I'm okay doing, we have that section of our backyard like by the bees. If we built an enclosure, I'd be okay. Is the sauna part of the enclosure or no? No. But. What of the enclosure or no? No. But- What about the kids trampoline? Peter Fradd is an expert at killing quail. He was snipping their heads off with scissors,

cutting their legs off, slicing them up the back. Wow. Okay, so this is part of homesteading. Homesteading sounds great. P-E-T-A, not, yeah. But then you talk about stuff like that. Like, are you willing to butcher a quail? I did it.

It was really gross. I don't wanna do it. Honestly, the quail wasn't that good. Sorry, Rocco. Really? I wanna try it. We killed him, we like let the blood drain, we ripped him out, we then even let them marinate.

We should have given some sort of trigger warning, I think. Yeah, I feel like there should have been a trigger warning. Homesteading, trigger warning. But then we ate it and I'm like, I want to say it's good, but it kind of tastes like crap. Really? Yeah. And even he agreed. He's like, yeah, I don't know. We've never really been able to get it. Quite right. Well, it sucks you built this whole enclosure and put 20 quail, doesn't it? I mean, it's it's free meat at this point, right? And it's it's natural organic. for Rocco, he's doing this in stages. He does want to get to the point where he can be on some land

and do that sort of thing. Yeah. And if he's able to do this with any sort of consistency, then I think that's a good sign. Yes, that's true. I like that we live in town. We also have friends that butcher bunnies. They have rabbits.

Two doors down. Well, no, I meant in Talitha back in Georgia. Two doors down, we have that go-hoo. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know if we should talk about that, but yes, but- What else shouldn't we talk about? I would love to have a goat and have fresh goat milk. Just one goat out the back. So here's the thing- It's stupid, though. No, we care. Well, apparently goats need a pair with someone. So Talitha actually told me this. She's like, normally you need two goats, but Max is big enough.

If the goat and Max got along well, that could be his pairing buddy. Goats are the worst. Did I ever tell you about the time I showed up at John Henry's? And when he started kicking you? This is my favorite John Henry story. I gotta have him on the show one day.

Yes, just a few people could meet him. I'm afraid of his career, not mine. That's true. He may get fired. He's got a cigarette in one mouth and he's holding a goat and he's like, here, here. And he wanted me to de-ball the goat. And he gave me this thick rubber band. Here, wrap it around his balls. Okay. Make sure both the testicles are in it. All right. Had to push around his abdomen to kind of push the, oh my God. Was that fun? I just love him so much.

I mean, I wish I was more like that. I like the peacock brothers. That was the most terrifying. I've never been to his house since. Yeah, I don't, I don't want, so I'm okay with homes. I love the idea of homesteading. And I think if we could do it well, I'd be all about it. But I've learned to accept,

I like that I have a little garden and we get some of our food from it. And that's really fun. And since we got the bees, like we're getting a little garden and we get some of our food from it and that's really fun Yeah, and since we got the bees like we're getting a lot more food. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So those spaghetti squashes Yeah from the compost pile. That's amazing. We've gotten maybe 10. Yeah 12 spaghetti squashes Yeah, I feel like if it was compost from earlier in the summer. We could have gotten like 50 I don't know if you've met Jacob or not. Not Jacob, your mom, but Jacob's got a beard big guy Cool, dude. I think he's last name, but he might come over help us with some gardening tips get things ready for the spring

I'm happy at what point have we switched from doing a podcast and just chatting about what's happening because I feel like at this Point we might have to stop Few more super chats. All right So we have Clayton Marshall saying, how was it going from three to four kids? My wife and I are expecting our fourth daughter in February. Please pray for her, her name is Sarah Marshall. All right, prayers for Sarah Marshall.

Do you wanna go first or do you want me to go first? I don't know. I feel like as your kids get older, life starts to get easier. So it depends on how old your three cars are. Your three cars are, your three kids are, and your cars. If you're a really old car, it's hard to have four kids. For us, it was really difficult because we had a sick baby.

I think if he was healthy, three to four would actually have been an easier transition than two to three. Two to three is hard because you're outnumbered. For us, I really think the hardest was zero to one. Would you agree with that? Oh yeah, for sure. Yeah, so I think it really depends on your child and their child's temperament.

Temperament and all that, yeah. And yeah, how your kids are. This is why I keep telling people to move to Steubenville though, right? Like, life is hard enough. We keep saying that. Yeah, it's true. Marriage is hard enough.

Friendships are hard enough. Who your kid will spend time with is hard enough, you know So that's Melanie was Melanie calling that's unusual. I Don't know Anyway more super CDC C-D-C? No, it's S-E-E-T-H-I and then the letter C. Oh, that's the name.

They say, how would Aquinas say our vocation can make us happy? I think this person was in chat earlier, so thanks for commenting and thanks for the super chat too. They say they read the Aquinas on Happiness book. Oh, cool. And then would Aquinas say our vocation can make us happy? Does your relationship with your wife and kids bring you genuine happiness or can only God do that?

Right, so I have a book called How to Be Happy, St. Thomas's Secret to a Good Life. You can get it on Amazon, and I'd really appreciate it if you did. Also, it'll be on Audible in the coming weeks. They've been telling me this forever. I wanna listen to it. Yeah, yeah.

I don't wanna, I mean. Fair enough. It's not that I don't wanna read it. Reading it is great. No, it's okay. And I recommend all of you at home read it, but I'm more of an audible person. Yeah, yeah. So in the book, so Aquinas differentiates between what he calls beatitude and felicitous, and that is to say perfect happiness, the fulfillment of man, that which perfects him

entirely, and then something that approximates that. So Aquinas says we can have varying degrees of happiness in this life, but we can't actually be fully happy since our ultimate perfection will only consist in the beatific vision and nothing short of that can perfect us. So trying to find happiness in money or physical pleasures or even goods of the soul or virtue, these things can't ultimately make us happy. But he's not saying that you can't experience any degree of happiness. So Aquinas would say, to the degree in which we live a virtuous life in submission to the will of God, we will experience happiness. So certainly I find great joy in being married

to my beautiful wife and having kids and where we live and you know, it's wonderful. But I think if I do experience that happiness and I do, it's probably only to the degree that I experience sort of it in a virtuous way. This is a virtuous thing that we're married, I believe we're doing the Lord's will. And so in that sense, you can experience happiness in your vocation. Yeah. Yeah, agreed. And so in that sense, you can experience happiness in your vocation. Yeah. Yeah, agreed.

There's another super chat, which isn't really a question, but Chevelle98 says, denied communion by two deacons and a priest. We found a marquee that said, this church will not be closed after Bishop had ordered their closing. Such a blessing to find the courageous. Seek them out.

Sweet. Wow, I'm sorry that churches near you are closed. We're really blessed that we have, closing such a blessing to find he courageous seek them out. Sweet. Wow. I'm sorry that churches near you are closed. We're really blessed that we have like, was it yesterday or Monday? I feel like there was like 15 different mass times. There are so many masses in November. So many. And they're...

Speaking of which, I don't think I'm going to get to go today. All of them are good. I mean, they're made, I don't know, is there a bad one? Yeah, I think it's definitely bad ones and not all of them are good. All right. All the ones I've gone to have been good. And even the homilies have been really good and really... It was so good that Father told us to pray for Pope Francis.

Yeah. Because if it is the case that Pope Francis told Joe Biden he can receive Eucharist, he's inviting him to commit sacrilege, which will imperil both his soul and the Pope's. So he said, pray for our brother. If that is, I like that he prefaced it by saying, you know, Joe Biden wakes up confused. And so it may be the case that he didn't say that, but should he? The fact that they never clarified it. If you go to confession, you'll be a Catholic in good standing.

He could have said that. God have mercy. That's a true sentence. But yeah, they're not knowing. But I think this is part of like living in community. So you don't have to move to Stephenville. You said they have it in North Dakota. I know people that have it really well in Florida. I know people that have good Catholic community in Texas. Like I think that there's lots of areas where you can have it. But find a pocket. Here's an example, right? Like last night, those McNamara's across the road, said to us, hey, we're gonna go to the graveyard and pray.

You guys wanna come? All the kids are like, yay, because we're gonna be with these awesome friends of theirs. And y'all are walking through the graveyard with lanterns praying. It was really beautiful. Two nights before someone came over, we're gonna pray the rosary, or the night before,

we all went over and prayed the rosary at their house. Like life is easier. Peer pressure here is to be a saint. Yeah. And we went to another friend that doesn't live here anymore's baby's grave. She had a miscarriage. And we went to the baby's grave

and we audio FaceTime them or whatever. Oh, that's nice. And we sang Queen of Ireland. Oh. And she sang with us. And so, it was her kids praying with our kids and just like rejoicing over this baby, you know? And our friend was saying that in, I think in Austria, they have a daughter that died that's buried there, and other friends sent pictures of the grave and that they went there and was praying for

her and their family. And it's just, it's beautiful to like take care of each other and live somewhere where people want what is best for you. Like they want you to get to heaven. Like I feel like when you don't live in Catholic community and you're trying to raise a Catholic family, it's really hard. But when you live in a Catholic community, it happens by accident. Like the other day, Liam, our son, went and played, well, not the other day, a couple of months ago, playing D&D at a neighbor's house, right? And I personally think it's cool. Some people have problems with it.

But I went there and the father had said, hey, why don't us boys, we'll get together, we'll pray a Divine Mercy chaplet before you begin. And I was there and heard the boys like, oh yeah, let's totally do that. I'm like, that's so random. So it's almost like, yeah, you got all these different, normal people. Yeah. Hey, we should begin to wrap up. Okay. I love you. I love you too. Tonight, we're going to pick up Steve and his wife. Yes, so you have him on tomorrow. I didn't mean to give you a hard time, but you're going to be with him. Go ahead. You can plug it now. Yeah, I can't wait. He's such an amazing guy.

We're gonna talk about schooling, classical education, why homeschooling is an option, the craziness of the public schools and many of the Catholic schools, and just let him teach us. He's a brilliant dude. But tonight, we're gonna double date. What do you wanna do, sushi? Yes. Someone asked me, sorry, can I go back to a question?

Yep. Someone asked me on my channel to talk about it here, was homeschooling, and to be completely honest with you right now, and I was talking to someone on, go back to the cruise, but on the cruise, someone was like, I can never homeschool my kids, like I'd murder them. I was like, that's the beauty of homeschooling.

If you feel that way, don't homeschool your kid. It's better for you not to murder them, but another option is hiring a tutor. So right now we have an amazing tutor where Liam goes there most days because he likes going there. And so we outsource and he's doing a chemistry class with a bunch of high schoolers at another friend's house in their basement. And like all of us pitch in and pay a small amount for this class. And yeah, and I, there's so many options. So like you can do a homeschool hybrid, you can just stay at home and do it yourself.

You can outsource it to other people. So I don't want people to think if you're going to homeschool it has to look like this. No, that's good and I'll bring that up tomorrow. Yeah, yeah and I recommend whoever asked that question to watch the interview tomorrow. So what are we gonna do for dinner? Yeah, I can do sushi.

Yeah. I could do something else. We just need? Yeah, I can do sushi. Yeah. I could do something else. We just need to look. I need to look at my yes and no list. I'm very limited to what I can do. I know you don't wanna do this, but I would love for us to sit down with a cigar lounge and chat.

Well, me and Steve smoke a cigar. Yeah. You would hate that. I don't like smelling like cigars. Why not? They smell great. No, cause then your hair like smells like stale cigars. Like the next day.

No, maybe me and Steve can do something and you ladies can go and- I'd love to go somewhere the four of us and shop. Paint nails or make little wash dishes or something. I was washing dishes this morning, that's true. All right. I love you. You're beautiful. Everybody should go check out Cameron's website, AmongTheLillies.com, I think it is or.org. We Yeah, I think that's it. We'll put a link in the description below. If you are a lady, you should definitely check out Cameron's podcast. I happen to think that it's not that easy to find a woman who's as good as you are when

talking to other women. Oh, thank you. No, no, no. It's kind of an insult to women and a compliment to you, so don't be too thrilled. I just, I don't know. I just feel like women are a hard audience to reach, and I don't know why that is, but sometimes when I hear women speak, I'm like, I don't know, like, I don't see how that could possibly be appealing.

But you have a real gift at speaking just frankly and just with confidence and, yeah, people love you for it. So people should go check out Among the Lilies. We'll put a link in the description to your podcast below. Anything else you want people to know? Thank you very much. I for it. So people should go check out Among the Lilies. We'll put a link in the description to your podcast below. Anything else you want people to know? Thank you very much. I appreciate it. Yeah, I think the main thing is, and it's more like, especially moms, like give yourself a break. I think that we have a very high expectation. I think back in the day, like we didn't know what was going on in other women's lives. And it was easy to just focus on our house and our husband and our children and if we worked our job as well,

but like it was just us. We had no one to compare ourselves to except for maybe our mom and the way we were brought up. And now because of social media, it's like, oh my goodness, this woman's running this career and her kids look picture perfect. And like, please like get off social media or only follow people that help you. Like don't follow people.

I just posted, I hit number 100 on my Father Mike Smiths. Most people are on like day 300 or something. No, 250. I don't know. They're a lot further along. But I posted it because I was like, it's okay that I'm not where everyone thinks I should be or where other people are because life happens and I think that we need to give ourselves more mercy and more grace and we need to care

a lot more about what the Heavenly Father wants of us and what God thinks of us and what he's asking us to do and what type of woman we need to be or mother we need to be and not compare ourselves to all these other women and be who society says we need to be. Yeah. Yeah. So if you like that pep talk, you're going to love Among the Lilies. Thanks for having me on. Pints for the quietest. I don't know what that voice is. Apparently that's how we say. Thanks, Neal. Also real quick, Anthony, I wanted to give a quick shout out to Anthony Supa who left a Supa chat,

but he is a patron, I believe, because I think he was on our retreat last year and he was just offering to he does painting he was offering to replace all the felt bands. Anthony is amazing. Actually it would be kind of cool if you got that painting and showed people. No I mean her. You could get a painting of me. Although then you'd move the camera. Anthony is this incredible artist who painted an image of me and brought it to me in Florida. Are you gonna get it? Yeah, let's do it. Okay, we'll get it real quick everybody. Stick around, stick around, stick around. See an amazing painting. You didn't

have to do that. Yeah, thanks. Is the middle camera on? Yeah, usually the door open too, I guess. So yeah, Anthony's awesome guy, veteran, very talented artist. And he came up to me and he gave me this, do you want me to hold it? He gave me this painting. Where am I going to point it? Isn't that amazing? You have a little more facial hair there. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, you look a lot younger without your beard.

Does that work on her? But it's a beautiful painting. Isn't that absolutely amazing? He's very talented. He's very, very talented. So yes, churches, if you have a felt banner. Now it was so kind. Don't go for this painting.

He'll paint something religious. The first thought I was going to do is like as a joke, I take it to different people's houses and hang it up in their bathrooms, but then I thought that would be offensive to Anthony who took all the time to do this. So I didn't do that. It's beautiful. Yeah. So now it sits out there in my office and when people come, my line is, it's not on

the wall, I'm not a narcissist. Very good. I mean, I am a narcissist, but not because that anyway. God bless, everybody. Thank you so much for being here. Please like and subscribe and click that bell button so you'll know whenever we put out a new episode. Thanks for being with us.

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