Pints With Aquinas - Rev. Calvin Robinson

Episode Date: May 20, 2023

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Okay. We're live. We are live with the Reverend Calvin Robinson. Excellent. Thank you for having me on here. Thank you for taking such a ridiculously long trip just to get here. No, it's fine. It was a long journey, but it's good to be here. Yeah. You're a tall man too. Now I see why you can't sit in ordinary seat. How tall are you? About six, five, I think, but that's not counting the hair, which is cheating a little bit. Yeah. Yeah. It's great to have you. Um, how wrecked are you at this point? Uh, I'm still on UK time. Let's just put it that way. I just went by the end of my trip. I'll

be switching to American time and I'll be leaving again and it'll, yeah, I'll be live on TV in Europe last week or two weeks ago. And I was there for about, it was in Ukraine. So it was about five days. And at no point did I get accustomed to it. I say to myself, I'm so exhausted, I'll just wait till the night, I'll fall asleep, and then... It doesn't work that way, does it? I'll be reset. Do you find that the older you get, the longer the jet lag lost as well? Yeah, that's a good question. Jet lag is funny because I find, especially when I make the trip to Australia, where the difference is so pronounced, I feel emotional.

It's almost like I can't trust my emotions for the next several days. Well, when you're tired, it's like being drunk, isn't it? When you're that tired. Yeah, yeah. But anyways, great to have you. How did your talk go in Carnegie last night? Oh, it was wonderful.

The best bit for me is after the talk, when you get to meet and greet people, they're all so wholesome and lovely and kind and compassionate and just lots of people saying hello for lots of different reasons, supporting some of the work I've done previously, but also encouraging and praying. And yeah, I enjoyed it. And you run, forgive me, I don't know much about you except for that excellent speech you gave at Oxford Union. Yes.

But you have a television show? I do. Yep. Saturdays at 7pm on GB News. We've just moved from Sundays at 3pm. When I first launched, they said, you can have a religious show, Calvin. How about Sunday at 10am? I was like, yeah, do you know where my audience is on Sunday at 10am? But yeah, so we've just moved to prime time, so it's going well. And it's current events from a faith perspective.

I'm explicitly Christian with what I do, bearing witness to Christ in it, which is a challenge on mainstream media, but I think we're doing it as best we can. That's interesting. It is a mainstream channel. Wow. It's on Sky and Virgin and Freeview. That's fantastic because often I would imagine these mainstream media companies are okay with a little bit of religion, you know, like the form of godliness or denying its power. But I get the feeling you don't do that. It depends. So you don't deny the power. I mean, so that's interesting to me that they're allowed that they allow you on. Well, who, who, but who by they? Well, that sounds like a, what's

his name? Kanye question. Who is they though? Say it. No, but I, it's because it's a secular, I don't know. It's a secular media show. It's surprising to me that they would. Yeah. So we used to have, you know, obviously the BBC used to be representative in that way, being a state broadcaster in a Christian state,

but it's lost its way. So we're trying to plug that gap now. And thankfully our backers are Christian. The we're trying to plug that gap now. And thankfully our backers are Christian. The financial backers of GB News are fantastic and the CEO is fantastic. So I've got some support there, but it doesn't make it any easier getting Christian stories and Christian guests on mainstream media. Why not? The barriers still exist. You know, without bad-mouthing anyone in particular, we recruit

what we can, right? And we've got some fantastic producers. However, most people come from Sky, BBC, university, they're already incredibly woke. And so their natural thought process is to block anything that they see as harmful or not diverse, not inclusive, and not equality. So anything that's explicitly Christian is to be pushed down. So we're always battling against that. But it's about bringing people along with you, right? And bringing people on board with the ideology. Is your show on the internet as well? Yeah. Is it on YouTube or something?

Um, we have, we have a YouTube channel. We have an app as well for people that aren't in England that want to watch. Maybe we could put a link to your YouTube channel below so people can follow you. Yeah, that'd be great. I'm sure you've thought a lot about this. What is woke? What is woke? Oh, it's kind of an anti-religion really. I think it's the antithesis of Christianity. I think Western society was built on a foundation of Christ, faith and family. And woke is the latest, a long line of Marxist communist ideas of destroying that Western society. And to destroy that, you have to break down the fundamentals, which are the faith and the family. And woke is

a way of doing that. It's about undermining everything that we hold dear, everything that is the bedrock of our way of life. It's about tearing it down, but whilst doing it in a religious way without the faith. So by saying, look, to be a good person, you have to subscribe to these ideals, to appear virtuous, you have to agree with these things. And there's no depth to it. There's no truth to it. There's certainly no beauty or no goodness to it. But people go along with it because everyone wants to be seen as being a good person. Yeah, you're right that there is that Marxist strand, right, in the supposed oppressed, overthrowing the powerful, and having to tear down everything in order for that to happen.

But it's interesting, like you said, it's a long kind of history of these different groups. Yeah. Well, Yuri Bezmenov talked about it decades ago, didn't he? And you know, the Frankfurt school met up and say, how can we disrupt the Western way of life? What we need to get people in key positions in, in every industry. And that's essentially what's happened. And we've, we've allowed it to happen under our noses.

Yeah. It seems like finally a good portion or a small but vocal and influential portion of Christians and are standing up against it and speaking as loudly against it as they're speaking at us. But it hadn't been like that. It's like, I don't know, like I even know, we just released this t-shirt I want to let people know about. So next month is June and you know what that means. It is the month dedicated to the sacred heart of Jesus. And nothing else. And nothing else.

And so we've put together a shirt. Can you throw it up on screen for folks? I like this yellow color. So that's the one we're putting on. Yeah. And can you put a link below to it as well? Just so people can buy it. That's a prime example,

because you're looking at the Catholic liturgical calendar, whereas won't have their own secular liturgical calendar. And they're way more enthusiastic about it. What did you say? It's very gay. The liturgical, the secular liturgical calendar. It's all about pride. It's all about gay rights, trans rights,

all the way through the year. And what started out as one day has been pushed into a week and then a month and then lasts all the year through. It has its own liturgical calendar. That's exactly right. We've also got this one. And I'm to put up the one with the girl in front of the flag for no particular reason. Go buy them for us. We have like coffee mugs that say, reclaim the month.

We have stickers and shirts and we'd appreciate you getting it and wearing it every single day without washing it. It's just all this stuff's going to go to supporting the show. What about the month of May, Mary's month of May? Yeah, we could do something there too. Yeah, we gotta reclaim this stuff. But my point is only it felt like maybe 15 years ago, we were all very kind of sheepish around this stuff.

And I don't know if that's because, you know, there's that story of the frog in the pot. I wonder if we were just like trying to play nice. Didn't want to be confrontational. So the reason I brought up the t-shirt is I posted this to Instagram yesterday. And someone said, this feels very un-Christian. I think you can celebrate your faith

without taking a dig at people. And then a bunch of people responded and said, he's not taking a dig. And I said, no, I a hundred percent am taking a dig at people who are promoting perversity that sends souls to hell. That's a hundred percent what I'm doing. But even that kind of language is uncomfortable among many Christians today. Why? Because we've got what it means to be Christian. Okay. Right. We're supposed to proclaim the truth that people think being a Christian means being a nice guy, because Jesus was this meek and mild figure who figure who never offended anyone and just wanted to bring people together.

They've forgotten what the teachings of Christ are. And it's a plastic fake Christianity, this progressive Christianity. And I look at the word progressive much as I look at the word trans. It's another way of saying fake. I used to forget, is a trans man, a woman who's trying to be a man or a man who's trying to be a man or a managed try. Just if you put the word fake instead of trans sense, like fake man, fake man, progressive Christianity, very helpful for me. The same thing. It's exactly the same progressive Christianity is just fake Christianity. Yeah. By the way, Matt Fred.locals.com. This may be the episode where we finally get banned. Yeah, I want to tell people because Calvin said this to me yesterday. So if you guys don't know, Reverend Robinson gave a speech yesterday at Father Jason's

Parish. And on the way to the church, we were joking that we have yet to get a community guideline strike that we are demonetized somewhat often. And he said, hopefully I can get you your first one. So that is his goal today. So please go follow us on locals. Well, one of the things I spoke about last night is tolerance, right? So as much as Christians

think we're supposed to be nice, we also get told all the time that tolerance is a Christian virtue. We need to be tolerant of people of other faiths and non and people of other ideas. But where does it say that tolerance is a Christian virtue? Faith, hope and love are our virtues. And we've got the theological virtues, we've got the cardinal virtues, we don't have tolerance anywhere among them because we're not supposed to be tolerant. The Bible tells us be intolerant of evil and love good. There's a difference between good and evil, but we can't be tolerant of what is not good. Yeah. Yeah, it'd be interesting to come up with a woke list of virtues, like niceness

is another thing that's never talked about in scripture. Yeah, again, it's the anti-religionist. There are their virtues. Niceness, which is essentially virtue signaling, and tolerance and diversity, inclusion and equality, which mean nothing. Or if they do mean something, it's actually detrimental to society. Look at diversity as an example.

Wherever diversity is used, it actually means anti-white. It means replacing or erasing what is already there. That's what diversifying is, right? It's adding something to by taking something away. Yeah. When did you become a Christian? I mean, at your baptism, but at what point did you, I don't know, in your childhood or later, did you become serious about Christianity? Well, we were always nominally Christians, Church of England, so not particularly strong in our faith, but I always had a relationship with God and I always prayed and I always felt like my prayers were answered, but I didn't know Christ in the person until I became a teacher really, because I worked in Church of England schools and we started our week

off at Mass, well, in church. We centered our week around the church life. So you set your pupils up for a good week by starting off there in the Lord's house. So that meant something that I saw that worked. And then I saw I started going on Sundays too. And I'd been to a lot of churches beforehand, Baptist, Pentecostal, all kinds of stuff, and nothing had really hit home. But I was clearly searching for something. And then

I went to a typical Via Medea Anglican service and I had an encounter with Christ in the Eucharist. And I realized in that moment, I didn't know what the theology behind it was. I didn't know what the liturgy meant, but I had an encounter with Christ. I realized right there and then that I needed to center my life around the Eucharist. And I kept discerning and learning more and eventually discovered that I was called to ordained ministry. And being a teacher was part of my vocation, but not the whole of it. And was your family and friends okay?

Or were they, did they journey with you in this sort of? Yeah, I mean, it's definitely a different journey for different people. My parents were very, very supportive and I love them for that. And they've got different ideas. You know, my father's Baptist. So he was the one who said, you know, I didn't baptize you as a child because I wanted you to wait until you're old enough to make the decision for yourself, which I don't actually think works. Uh, and my mother is just typical church of England. So she comes along once a month to church and it's, you know, it's not a regular weekly pattern, but at least she's involved. Other members of my family were more critical and, and saw it as a counter-cultural, which

I suppose it is. And I think that's one of the reasons I find it attractive actually when church is done properly. It is counter-cultural because we have enough of the degenerate, debauched society around us. We want something different, right? We want something true. So there've been different reactions, but we're all, we're all getting there.

I think for me, I had a conversion when I was 17 and I went from atheist agnostic to this shocking realization that Jesus Christ exists. How did that happen? I was in Rome for a thing called world youth day. 2.5 million people came from around the world. The Holy father held these events every couple of years. Which one? It was in Rome 2000. So it was the largest gathering of human beings in European history. Wow.

And I showed up because I thought, I don't know, there's ladies from all around the world here. And I've had no chance with these Australian Sheilas and no luck, I should say. I don't know. So I just went with very impure motives, but was struck by the joy and the confidence and the lack of cynicism in the people with me. So did you kind of meet your faith at the same time as you met your wife? You know, it's an interesting story. I don't think I've ever shared this before, but in August of 2000 is when I came to accept Christ as my Lord.

And in August of 2000, my wife was serving as a missionary in Canada. And for the first time heard, you should pray for your future husband. And so in August of 2000, she started praying for a future husband. Wow. And in August 2000, her future husband came to Christ and it was answered. Yeah, that's amazing. Yeah. But see when I came back, it, I held many worldly views regarding sexuality.

It was a mantra growing up that if you have sex, if you love someone, that kind of stuff. And so that was hard for me to rid myself of. I had friends with same sex attraction and I thought, well, that's fine. It's about love. So I, it took me a while, um, just to be discipled by the church. You know, I think we often think that we're the teacher and we want to teach the church, but to place yourself as a humble son. And it took me a while to get there. Um, for you, was it like that? I mean, we all bring the world with us and the opinions of the world with us. Yeah, yeah, to some extent. But I think where I've just heard a lot of truth in what you were saying

is that whole sexual immorality thing. I think that is the downfall of the church right now. And that is what I was speaking on yesterday in that so many people say to me all the time, you know, well, the church has changed its teaching on this and we've progressed. And it's like, no, the church hasn't changed its teaching because the church cannot change its teaching. All that's happened is the church has stopped teaching on these issues of sex outside of marriage, fornication, adultery, homosexuality. And of course the whole trans thing has evolved from that because we haven't been saying this is what the Bible teaches.

This is what Christ teaches and we've fallen away to a degree that even on our side, I say our side, on the non-woke side of this debate about kind of clinging to Western society is that even the conservatives have fallen away to this. So I don't even think it's possible for conservatives to conserve Western civilization anymore. It's up to Christians if it is going to be conserved. I actually think it's probably too late, and Western civilization has peaked and we're on a downward trend now, which is fine because as Christians we have hope in what's to come. But if we are going to do something about it, it has to be the Christian conservatives that do it because the rest of the conservatives are essentially liberals at this point.

Yeah. No, I think I've come to the opinion that Western civilization is dead and that we are just called to go and resuscitate the carcasses at this point. This is the death knells. Yeah. Which actually is kind of freeing because you don't have to keep with holding up a structure that doesn't exist. Yeah. We can think of ourselves as Pope Francis says, right? As medics in the, in the field. Yeah. And, and maybe reaching out to it's this nihilism that godlessness leads to, isn't it? It is. I especially see it in England where we're supposed to be a Christian country and Christianity is now in the minority for the first time ever, really. And it's because we're taking it for granted that we're just Christians and that's what we are and that's what we do. But we

don't actually live out the faith, therefore we don't believe the faith. Lexarandi, lex credenti. So without that, we've just become empty vessels. So I think we need to, we're reaching a point of intolerance towards Christianity in the West now, but we're gonna get towards persecution. And I think that needs to happen because that's how the faith thrives. And actually we're gonna have to fight for our faith.

We're gonna have to fight for what we believe in. And that means it's gonna mean something. Right. And is it any wonder that people are maybe flocking to Islam? Maybe flocking is too strong of a word, but at least like, if your options are like woke nihilist secularism or beige Christianity that just keeps telling me to be nice, but doesn't seem to believe in itself. And then you have this opinion

of the Mohammedans. You can see why they, uh, why people are flocking to, I'm not convinced they are. I think we're importing Mohammedans. I don't think people are flocking to I'm convinced they are maybe that's important in my habitants I don't think converting and that's that's a big difference. I actually think we should be working on that as well We in the UK we're gonna reach 1 million net migration this year Which is absolutely ridiculous as we've had conservative governments for the last 13 years that have said Consecutively that they want to control immigration and cut immigration But what we're seeing is it's not just refugees. It's not just asylum seekers. This is legal immigration too. And what we're seeing is Mohammedans are increasing in number at the

same time as birth rates for Brits are falling. Christians aren't having babies because they're going woken. You know, it's not good for the environment to have babies anymore. Forget what God told you. So they're subscribing to the new religion. Therefore I'm at, I don't subscribe to the great replacement. However, a literal replacement is happening mathematically, statistically true. So what would you like to see happen? Well, for example, if we're going to reach out to what's happening around the world where refugees need a home, South Sudan, Northern Nigeria, like 200 priests in Northern Nigeria

were killed in the last six weeks. I haven't seen the Archbishop of Canterbury talk about it. I haven't even seen the Pope talk about it. I haven't seen any Christian leaders or Western leaders talk about it. So we should be saying, look, if we're a Christian nation, we want to uphold our Christian values, we should be importing Christian refugees and supporting and encouraging them, whilst helping them in their homeland, rather than taking on board Mohammedans who don't share our values. And I will argue with anyone who says that we do, because there's this stupid Western idea that all cultures are equal, and that is not true. Um, so we should be looking at

what we want to be as a nation or as a society and then working around that. But given that we don't care what we are as a society, we are no longer a Christian society, then maybe we just deserve to be outpopulated. I think it was Peter Crave too said that the Mohammedans have found something stronger than the sword, namely mothers. Yes. And they've been very quiet. Have you noticed the woke lot? You know, on one hand they'll be support the LGBT community. On the other hand, it supports the ethnic minorities of the Islamic communities. It's like, you do know, there's a massive contradiction going on there and those communities will not get on, but the Mohammedans are being very, very quiet and letting them get on with it. Cause as the woke destroy Christianity, Islam will step in.

This is really interesting. Um, because while there are obviously good by good, I mean, upstanding Muslim men and women, I think both woke ism and Islam is to some degree, demonically inspired. So maybe this is why we have this weird, these weird bedfellows together. Whereas like, it's not necessarily just a group of powerful people in a room plotting the demise of the world. It's the infernal spirits. It's Satan and his minions. And you're right to caveat that of course the individuals are great. Individuals are people, right? And we hate the sin, not the sinner, but it's so important to clarify that Islam is a Catholic

heresy and it is a twisting of truths. It's half truth, which makes it even. Yeah. Yeah. No, a hundred percent. So when did you just crossed 1100 viewers? Oh, that's nice. Hi everybody. Did you just blaspheme? What? Did you just blaspheme on it? No, he said we just crossed 1100 viewers. Oh, that's nice. Hi, everybody. Just blaspheme. What did you just blaspheme on it? No, he said we just crossed 1100 viewers. Yeah, you're fired. I don't know how we're going to run the rest of the show. As soon as we're done, you're fired.

Yeah. Yeah. Thank you so much for being here, everybody. Do us a favor and subscribe to the channel so I can feel good about myself. You know, don't mean it. Exactly. It means nothing, does it? But this look at the lovely little plaque. It is nice.

It is nice. It's a good recognition of the work you do. Talk about a weird bedfellow, me and YouTube. I don't think. Yeah. I don't know how you've managed it. I don't either. I think I've just flown beneath the radar.

It's nice when I'm kind of much smaller than these daily wire fellows and other people. Yeah. I suppose you are a minority, right? Being a man of faith. Well, listen, I'm kind of much smaller than these daily wire fellows and other people. Yeah. I suppose you are a minority, right? Being a mother faith. Well, listen, I'm an immigrant and people don't get how difficult that is. I am an immigrant. Yeah. I became American a couple of weeks ago. Oh, congratulations. Glad to be here. Did you have to denounce or renounce your citizenship of Australia? No, I think there is something that says you, you know, uh, renounce your allegiances to, to Kings. And I didn't know how to feel about that. Cause I don't

know what they would consider the Pope to be. But yeah, but, but so Australia thinks I'm still Australian, but America's like, whatever. So you've got two passports. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. The American passport is quite powerful. The American. Yeah. It's a good one to travel on. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The American passport is quite powerful. The American one? Yeah, it's a good one to travel on. I'm honored to be here. But I did say becoming American was like being given a dilapidated home as a homeless person. Like, thanks. Yeah. I am grateful. I'm not sure how long the roof is going to hold. Yeah. No, it's true. Yeah. It's actually quite sad looking at what's happened over here in that most of these states were founded on Christian principles quite explicitly in their constitutions. And everyone just goes,

oh, yeah, this is the separation of church and state. So actually, that's not what that means and that's not what that was supposed to be. And the United States weren't supposed to be a country, excuse me, it's supposed to be individual states united together on a Christian, again, foundation. But all that's fallen apart too. But what's frustrating about that is that you can't have freedom of worship or freedom of expression without those Christian principles. Because if another faith becomes the predominant faith, let's go back to Islam, if that ever becomes the predominant faith, then other faiths are persecuted. And we see that everywhere around the world.

Oh yes, of course. Also, Satanism is taking off. What's going on with that? I mean, again, I'd have to think it's just literally demonically inspired, regardless of what the adherence to this false religion would say are their personal ontological beliefs about the devil and God and things like that. I was on Tucker Carlson the other week and right before me was a Satanist. And I mean, he had odd-collared eyes and stuff and all kinds of things, physical manifestations of demonic influences. But it seems there's two strands to it. One strand is that it's kind of anti-religion and the other, and they're just, they think of themselves as atheists,

which is probably more dangerous because they don't realize what they're meddling with. But the other side is this, the satanic kind of worship of the devil. Yeah. It is interesting how you see like an out and out satanist or people who flirt with it that they seek to often, I don't, maybe it's a stereotype, but they seem like they're changing their appearance to look less human. And I don't mean to say there's anything strictly immoral with dying your hair blue and getting piercings and things, but it feels like you're

on the road. Yeah. It's like you're trying to look less human. Well, I'll say there is something immoral about it. And this is why the trans movement is wrong or bad, because it is an affront to God. If we're made in God's image and he designed us, he knew us before we were born, He created us that way. To physically manipulate our bodies and alter them is to say, I don't want to be in your image. I want to be in my own image. And that goes back to Genesis. That goes back to us being our own gods and separating ourselves from Him. And I think that's what the trans movement is when it says I am in the wrong body. It's like, well, you are your body, you are your body and you are your soul. You can't be in the

wrong body. But if you're going to mutilate that body, again, it's an affront to God. When did you begin to become, was there a point where you thought, all right, no, this sexual degeneracy has to be spoken against. And then you took a, did you have a kind of conversion in that realm of your Christianity or from the get-go? You're like, no, this is obviously. No, I suppose it's like most people, we have these conversations privately, you know, WhatsApp groups or with our friends and we're all like, yeah, we know what's going on. This is this mental, but in public, you're like, Oh yeah, anyone can do whatever they like as long as

they're not harming anyone, because that's the liberal society that we live in. And that's, that's wrong. That's bad because that's how we're tolerating evil. But at some point, you know, I actually remember saying, I will never talk about the trans issue. When did you say that? And what made you say that? A couple of years ago. Well, for one, I was, I was afraid. So I suppose I was a transphobe. I was afraid of them because I've seen how they jump on people. I've seen how hostile, I think it's fine to be transphobic. Right. Yeah. I think it's community. You, I mean, you say one thing about trans on Twitter, you get all the Japanese anime avatar people launching on you with the debauchery and it's not pleasant, but, but at the same time, I

love your honesty there. I gotta say, cause I think we have to be honest about our own fears. I am a coward and I know what it's like to not want to say things because I don't want blow back unless you can first recognize that you can't do anything about it. No, if you don't acknowledge that you're just kind of pretending to yourself that there's some other reason that you haven't yet named as to why you haven't addressed this. People always have a reason. This is one of the things that, so one of the questions I often get asked is how do you get the courage to speak about these things? Because people always say, I

just want to get this job once I've got this job, I'm secure or this promotion or this new house or I'm waiting for my wife to accomplish this top. There's always another hurdle, but once you reach that hurdle, there's always another one. So I think people have to be brave enough to just stand up, stick their heads above the parapets and a few of us will get our heads chopped off. But if we do, that's fine. Again, that's scriptural. The church fathers all were martyred, pretty much all, for their faith. If we firmly believe that Christ is our Lord and savior, we should be prepared to die for him. And in the age that we live in, we're not going to die. We might get a few bad words on social media

about us. Yeah. All right. So a couple of years ago, you said, I'll never speak on the trans issues. What changed? Seeing some of my friends being taken down. How so? What does that mean? Well, Kathleen Stock is a good one. Not a friend of mine, but someone who I know who's spoken out.

And you know, we saw what happened with J.K. Rowling as well. People that I would consider leftists who would have been accepted within the woke realm getting denounced and their heads were getting chopped off metaphorically. How sad that we have secularists being more brave than Christians. Well indeed. Do we believe the truth? Do we believe we know the truth? And if we do, we're called to proclaim the truth. So it's like either we live it or we don't. And that's another thing that's so sad to see on our side of the movement as in conservatives that will stand up and talk about all these things like marriage and no sex outside of

marriage and things, but don't live that. Like we have to live. And of course we're all sinners. So we all, and we're all fallen and we all, we have to repent and get back on the horse, but we've got to live the faith. We can't just talk about it. And that means fighting this fight. That means speaking out about these, these evils.

Right. So you saw people being taken down and then what happened? Like, was there a conscious, you know what, screw it. I'm going to say it. Or was it a gradual? I think, I think it's when I got canceled over the church of England, probably. Oh, I'd love to hear about that. Yeah. So I don't know that story.

So I had heard, I had heard that you were, but I don't know. Yeah, it wasn't pleasant. So were you in seminary for the church of England? So before that I got, I felt the calling. I discerned the calling. I spoke to the church. They affirmed my discernment of a calling toward end ministry and they sent me off to seminary.

They sent me to Oxford, cost like 30 grand of parishioners money, you know, little old Shirley's paying their money into the pot. And that's what really riles me up that the fact that they spent this money knowing all along that they didn't want to ordain me because I'll get to later, but I've seen the communications between the bishops. But they sent me to seminary. I did my training. I succeeded. I excelled, did great, loved it. It was intense, but loved it. And I got to the end of it and I was supposed to be sent off to a parish. I met the incumbent priest that I was going to be the curate for. I visited the congregation and met them, spoke to the PCC, visited the, the flat, the cure its rectory that I was going to be living

in and then everything went quiet. So I said to my Bishop who is a flying Bishop, so he has no jurisdiction because I'm a traditionalist. I don't believe in the ordination of women and I live in London and the Bishop of London is a woman. So for me that's a vacant seat. So I have a flying Bishop and I said to him, what going on and he said to me Christmas that the Bishop of London does not want to ordain you but but I'm gonna stick my foot down I'm gonna stand up for you and make sure this happens. What were you doing that? He didn't want to ordain you, right? So this is what so I said why why does why does she not want to ordain me? Why does she not me to be ordained in London? So the flying bishop the Bishop of Fulham would have been the one to ordain me. And the bishop of London is essentially his boss,

but she didn't want me ordained there. So I said, why, what is it? And I had a meeting with them. And I had a meeting with the bishop of London, nice enough woman. She said to me, Calvin, you need to go silent. You need to stop doing the media stuff. And I said, well, I've, you know, I have a bivocational calling and this is a word that I've been given by the Bishop of Fulham that I feel strongly called to parish ministry, but also to public ministry. And the work that I'm doing on TV, in the newspapers, I didn't have my own show by this point,

but I was being a commentator on other people's shows. The work that I'm doing there is proclaiming the gospel, proclaiming the truth, and I think it's important to ears that wouldn't necessarily hear it otherwise. And she said to me, well, we think it's too controversial, we don't want you to do it, but also, you've got to think about these issues that you're talking about.

And BLM was hot at the time, and as an ethnic minority person myself, I've never felt oppressed in the UK. I think I've done quite well for myself, actually, by working hard and trying to accomplish what I wanted to accomplish. I think it's done quite well for myself actually by, you know, working hard and trying to accomplish what I wanted to accomplish. I think it's quite, it's as simple as that. We don't live in a meritocracy, but we live in the closest thing we can have. But she said to me, look, you know, Black Lives Matter is a serious issue. A lot of people do feel oppressed in the

West. A lot of ethnic minorities do feel, and actually the church is racist. And I said, I'm going to draw a line there because the church is not racist. The church is Christ's body on earth. It doesn't make sense to call that racist. There will be individuals within the church that are racist and they need to be held to account. But the moment you put it on the institution, you're taking that accountability away from them and putting it on the body. And she said to me, you know, she put her arm on my lap and said, I can tell you, Calvin, as a white woman, the church is racist. I'm like, okay, so clearly she's looking at this from an entirely different perspective that we're never going to reach common ground

on. But that just showed how patronizing, but that's it because the Bishop of London is a white upper-class woman. The Archbishop of Canterbury, the Archbishop of York are white upper-class men. If they, the three of them have said the church is institutionally racist, they've come out and said that if they fully fully believed that they should step down and put a black man in place. Yeah. By their own logic. Right. This is the racism of the left, which seems to me to be the real racism. Candice Owens was in Nashville airport recently and she saw this hysterical leftist white woman calling a police officer, a pig. And she, God bless her, called her out publicly, loudly.

You should be ashamed of yourself. And she looked at Candice and said, aren't you black? How's that for racism? You're black. Therefore you have to act in a certain way. You have to think in a certain way. I just had a DM before I got here actually, because I'm going to a protest for turning point. We're protesting against drag queen story hour because it's inappropriate for children to be sexualized in that manner. And the DM said, Calvin, how can you associate with turning point? They're racist. You as a man of color, how can you associate with them? It's like, well, first of all, they're not racist. And this is what you mean. I say racist comment I've seen here is by you saying

me as a man of color should subscribe to a certain set of political ideals. That's the racism. Like reflect on that please. And what did they say? They haven't replied yet. I'll let you know later. All right. Yeah. So she puts her hand on your leg and tells you that the church is racist. Yeah. Yeah. And so they, they use time as an, as a weapon and time. Yeah. As in it came closer and closer to when I was supposed to be ordained. And then they put out a press statement saying that there are no, when the media started asking questions that they, the church said there are no slots available to ordain Calvin. Of course there was because of the slot that I'd already been given and I had the writing and everything. And people said, you know, sue them. And I

just thought that's not a route that I want to go down. Of course there are scriptural battles there about suing the church and whatnot, but I wasn't in the place. It was emotionally draining to be kind of cast aside from what I saw as my calling. But of course it wasn't the calling that was being cast aside. It was the political lefties, the liberals that have captured the organization. So that was the first big cancellation that I had. And I was kind of lost because I thought if I feel like I'm called to all day ministry and the church has confirmed that calling, what do I do? And I spoke about it in the media and thankfully some US bishops got in touch from the ACNA and the REC who said, we've, we've seen what's going on in the church of England.

We had a pretty similar thing over here. We had to break those acronyms down for Catholics. ACNA is the Anglican Church in North America. The REC is the Reformed Episcopal Church. GAFCON is a global Anglican Future Conference. And they are, so obviously the TEC, the Episcopal Church in America became woke. They ordained a practicing gay bishop, which is obviously heretical, dragging the church into apostasy.

And at that time, the ACNA set up and GAFCer set up and they set up an alternative Episcopal route for Anglicans that want to remain Orthodox and can't adhere to the wokeness. And they said, this is what we've done in America. There is a smaller, similar situation in England. We'd like you to meet XYZ. And they introduced me to who is now my Bishop. So it still happened. And I think God works, well, we know God works in mysterious ways, but if I had have been ordained in the Church of England, every single day would have been about battle, but not a battle for Christ, not a battle. Well, it would have been battle for the truth, but against wokeness. It would have been against Bishop saying, you can't say that about trans, you can't say that about baptism, you can't

say that about female ordination, you can't say that about, you know, all these things that are hold to be true because I get them from the Bible. Uh, so, but now I don't have any of that. So now you've been sort of free liberated to condemn the workers. And then as a result, I got, I got my own TV show and I'm able to do this publicly and the public ministry is working out and the parish ministry is working out, you know, everything happens the way it's supposed to. So does your, is your Bishop, your immediate superior? And did you and him talk often or somewhat frequently about what you're doing?

And does he ever kind of, I mean, you don't have to tell me if it's a bit too personal, but does he ever kind of correct you or guide you in what you're doing? Yeah. So mostly our general secretary is the chap that liaises with me quite a lot because they get complaints. We get complaints about me all the time. Whenever I say anything publicly, the left are straight on it. How can you have this man ministering?

He's a transphobe, he's a bigot, he's a homophobe. I'm all the phobes and this, you know, as we all are. And they have to bat them away. So look, this, we may not agree with Calvin on this, but this is free speech. Although say this is the Christian teaching on this. And I really, really support them for that. And I thank them for that. And I thank God for that actually. Yeah. Tell us about the, I'm sure you've been asked this a thousand times, so I hope it's not a boring thing to talk about. But I would love to know about this speech you gave this debate you had at Oxford Union.

How did that come about? And lead us through it? Because it was excellent. Thank you. And I'm sure as an Anglican, it might get tiring to hear Catholics say without any kind of sympathy, like jump ship, become one of us. I'm sure you try to take it in a positive light, but as somebody who is the recipient of become Orthodox, become Orthodox comments all the time, I just want to be like, it's thank you. But it's very, I think people, when they see you doing something that they see as good, they want you on their team. Right. Yeah. And that's what it is. But, um, but yeah, I mean, so many Catholics, so many Catholic channels, every Catholic channel, maybe ever like just commented and just like, thank you. Like, can we have this

dude go and speak to our bishops in Germany? I wouldn't be, they need to be excommunicated ASAP. That was the threat. So they need to follow through with it. That would be good. But I wouldn't be able to do what I'm doing in the Catholic church actually. Um, as a, as a pastor, right? As a priest, is that what you mean? Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I wouldn't be able to do it. And I still do feel the calling to ordained ministry. And you know, I had a battle with the ordinary act recently, which will be the natural route for me to get into the church. So much. Cause I'm like, have you ever, have you heard of the ordinary? I just delivered a speech there

at the ordinary. I, and it went down well and lots of young people who are very traditional, very orthodox in their faith, it was fantastic. And I commended the Ordinary Act as that bridge between Anglicanism and Roman Catholicism. It was great. And then my show, so part of my TV show, one of the main reasons I do it is because I get the opportunity to do a Christmas special and an Easter special every year that's explicitly focused on Christ. No politics, no faffing around on current events. It's just like, this is the message of Easter, this is the message of Christmas, this is what our faith is all about. And we were going to film in the ordinary church.

We'd agreed weeks in advance and as you know, filming things takes a lot of efforts. And with TV we had to schedule things and it came close to the time and a member of the choir at the church, the secular choir at the church complained that I was going to be there because I'm homophobic obviously. So this was a gay member of the choir and the ordinary of the ordinary arts essentially cancelled the gig. So a few days before we're supposed to film a Easter special. So I called him up. I said, if someone's coming to you to say that I'm a homophobe, that's your opportunity as a, as a preacher, as a teacher to say,

no, this is the Christian teaching on this. This is why Calvin's saying what he's saying about marriage between being between one man and one woman. That's not because he's against you and your lifestyle. That's because he's preaching what Christ taught us to be true and holy and God instituted marriage for these reasons. This is a teaching opportunity to close it down and to say, actually, well, we won't do it because we don't want to upset the gay community. You're on the wrong side of the battle. But his argument was just, well, you also wrote something about Enoch Powell not too long ago, Calvin. About what?

Enoch Powell. So this is a British politician who wrote something about Enoch Powell not too long ago, Calvin. About what? Enoch Powell. Okay. So this is a British politician who wrote something against immigration back in the, what, seventies. He's been cast as racist ever since, but I broke apart everything that he said and why I agreed with it. He didn't care. And people that read it were like, yeah, I can see your points. You're clearly not a racist, Calvin.

I don't think he was necessarily racist, but even if I did, I can see why you agree with these points. Anyway, he just used it as a thing to shut it down. You know, you're not just a homophobe, you're also a racist. So it got canceled. It's just spinelessness, cowardice. And I've had one of my good friends, a mentor, Gavin Ashenden, got closed down by the ordinary rats.

He was moving over. He was a former Anglican bishop, moved over to Rome and they said, look, you cannot do the ministry, the public ministry anymore. You know, he writes for the Catholic Herald. He's always on the BBC, comes on GB news. They said, you can't do any of that. You've got to be silent. It's like, why do they want everyone to be silent?

And in England at the moment, that's what the Catholic church is. It's got a head, it's head in the sand. And the church of England is imploding. This is a great opportunity for the Catholics to step forward and say, here we are for this like spiritual well-being of the country. It's like what Ying Ling should have done when Bud Light screwed up, but didn't even have the bulls to do. They really didn't.

There was some reference to it, but it's like, here's your opportunity. Just say men are men and women are women. But it is cowardice. Yeah. Yeah. It's sad. It is sad. But also, I am a Catholic already.

I do see the Anglican church as the English expression of the Catholic faith. And there are lots of political, we would disagree with that. So as, as a Catholic, I would say that the church and is the church founded by Christ. It has a particular structure. Um, there's different expressions of Catholicism in different rights of the church. Yeah. Yeah. But, and you can respond to that if you want. As an Anglo Catholic, we adhere to Catholicity as we always have.

So, you know, even going back as far as Henry VIII was a staunch Catholic. Yeah. Fought against the Protestants in the separation, but he separated from Rome for political reasons. What, where do you look to, to know what your church teaches? Cause obviously I, I don't know how you feel about solar.

But a question. Yeah. I don't know what you think about solar script to write. I think it's unbiblical, unhistorical, unworkable. Oh, okay. You agree that you got the scripture comes from tradition. So you can't say in scripture alone because it's true is tradition. So for you then is it, um, it scriptures plus church fathers plus what people everywhere have believed

in some sense? Is that what you? Yeah, I do believe in sacred tradition as well as sacred scripture. But I would say I'm probably more prima scriptura than sola scriptura. I think scripture is paramount and everything else should follow that, including tradition. And tradition can never contradict scripture. But I don't think we disagree much on, on beliefs in terms of, yeah, no, I was shocked at how much we agree on. I mean, you pray the rosary every day. How dare you? It's beautiful. That's what she told us to do. Um, where?

Fatima. Oh, look at you. Yeah. Yeah. It's talk about how piss off everybody. You know, it's like, but you know, Peter Crave said it's great. You know who that is? He's a philosopher from Boston college and he has this great line. He says, when a maniac is at the door, feuding brothers reconcile. Yeah. And the mania see of the Protestants Catholic. Yeah. Yeah. The Catholics. I'm far too Protestant. But I, one of the reasons I, I'm still an Anglic To the Catholics I'm far too Protestant. But one of the reasons I'm still an Anglican is because I'm either naive or arrogant enough to think I can be a bit of a bridge, because the Catholics have it down with the sacraments. They understand that He said, take, eat, this is my body. So it's something we're supposed to do. We're

supposed to center our lives around the Eucharist. And the evangelicals have and the Protestants have the word of God, the Bible, they have it down to a T. And both of those are important, the word and the sacrament. And I don't think either faction gets it entirely right. And I think we need to actually stop fighting amongst ourselves on these things and fight. It's between the liberals and the conservatives right now. It's between the people that are orthodox in the faith and the people that want to have, you know, women bishops and gay marriage in the church and all that kind of stuff. So we're stronger together as conservative Christians against the heterodoxy. Yeah, I think it would be a matter of religious indifferentism if I were to say that I'm a, I'm fully okay with you being an Anglican, not being Catholic. I wouldn't say that I

would want you to become a Catholic. So I would, I would want to say that. And I would want to like say we have differences. These differences aren't just sort of superficial that once we scratch them, they're not really there. No, there are. And I want to recognize that while joining arms with you against this thing. And yeah, and that's, that's my fear is that online, um, you know, brothers are the ones who fight the most, you know, but we, we, again, I like that idea when I'm mainly at the door feuding brothers reconcile, doesn't mean we don't

have differences, doesn't mean we can't talk about them in love and in charity and really trying to listen to each other. But it's like, okay, but right now there's a freaking maniac at the door. It's lazy. It's low hanging fruit. If the Protestants and the Catholics spent as much time converting or leading souls to Christ as they did trying to convert me, we'd have a bigger army. So Oxford, who asked you, what was the? So I got asked by the Oxford union to come along and I said, okay, so who's going to be on my side? Because the proposing side was this house believes in same sex marriage in the church. And I was like, that's, that's a big topic. And I was just, you know, I'm a new Deacon. I only left Seminary last year.

I got ordained in Peter Tide. So I'm brand new. I thought this is, you know, quite inappropriate for me to be asked. I have a high profile, sure, but I'm not, I haven't been a theologian for that long. So I said, you know, who's going to be on my side? Can we get my principal? But he was busy. He would have been fantastic. Um, Dr. Ian Paul was on my side, uh, very low church, but very good on scripture, uh, very good on the Greek. So for those who aren't aware, these are kind of team debates. Is that right? You see how four people on the proposing side, four people on the opposing side. And what actually happened was, and we heard this at the union, that every Catholic bishop in

the country had been invited to be on the opposing side, the side that I was on, not one of them accepted again, head in the sun. Shame on them. And we were against three bishops. Sorry, shame on them if they don't hold to the church's teaching. Not shame on people who choose not to engage in a debate because they simply think it's not their skill. No, shame on that too. No, shame on that too.

Because they need to stand up for the truth, man. It's their job to defend their faith and stuff. Even if they were to do it poorly. If they were going to defend marriage poorly, they shouldn't be bishops. Because the Bible says that a bishop should be a good teacher. Right? Yeah. No, I see what you're saying.

All they had to do is defend Holy Matrona meaning be in between one man and the other. Yeah, that's right. It's not bloody rocket science, is it? It's sort of like when people try to confuse the topic of abortion by talking about how complicated it is. Like, no, no, just don't kill innocent people. So, all right, fair enough. It's very straightforward. But we were against three bishops from the Church of England, which was the saddest thing. So the bishops are fighting for heterodoxy and there's little old me, a newbie deacon and a theologian on the other side. And we both get, um, so they had three bishops and one student and we had me and Dr. Ian Paul and two students.

Was there any part of you that thought I might not take this when it was offered? Yes, yes. I didn't, I don't think I actually wanted to do it, but I felt a duty to do it. Yeah. I thought if I don't do it, no one else is going to do it. They'll get another student in there. And actually I'm so thankful that I did because the two students on our side argued for the proposition rather than the opposition. They got up there and said, we don't believe in this, but we're going to have to try and make a debate. Basically capitulating because they didn't want to get lynched by the work mob. Just weak, weak and feeble. And poor debaters actually, if they wanted to be in a debating society, they should learn to debate for any arguments. That's the whole point

of debating. You can play devil's advocate if that's what you're doing. So we had six against two and the arguments, you know, one of the bishops said, we don't follow the Bible in terms of divorce. We don't follow the Bible in terms of contraception. Why should we follow the Bible in terms of marriage? I'm like, no, that's my argument. We should be following the Bible in terms of all of these things. This is the mistake. For goodness sake. It was demoralizing. But so I've done a debate at the Cambridge union before and you could see the physical agitation of them hearing the truth. They hated it. This was on colonialism

actually and you could see the demons being afraid of the truth. But at the Oxford Union, it was silent. You could hear a pin drop. That was a different sort of hostility. That was, you could feel the negativity in the air. Like it was a lighter match. The place was set on fire. And all the floor speeches, so students can get up and make a speech to join the conversation. It's not really much of a debate. Everyone just makes a speech. Uh, all of the floor speeches were like, yes, threesomes, yes, polygamy. Cause I said, you know, if we're going to get rid of the, uh, heterosexual element of marriage, why not get rid of the monogamous element of marriage too? Why? You know, if, if two men is marrying his love, why not three

men? Why is that not more love? And people like, yeah, yeah, it is. And I was like, yeah, you need to stop with your, we and say this was Thursday's favorite part Yeah, can you reenact this for us? So somebody didn't somebody like you said? Why not three men isn't that better and like one of the students yelled something and you yelled back at him shame degeneracy I do that was I replayed like four times. I didn't even think that was just a natural spark of reaction, but he's God. Yeah.

Uh, it was not nice. And I came out of that feeling more depressed than I have about anything else. I honestly thought that I'd failed. I'd failed in the debate because the numbers spoke for themselves or pretty much all the people that I've been talking to, I've been talking to, I've been talking to, I've been talking to, I've been talking to, I've been talking to, I've been talking to, I've been talking to, I've been talking to, I've been more depressed than I have about anything else. I honestly thought that I'd failed. I'd failed in the debate because the numbers spoke for themselves or pretty much all of the students voted for the proposition. We didn't get, we, I think we've got two digits out of all the students. I thought I'd let God down. I thought

I'd let the church down and let myself down. I was horrified by it. I was spiritually drained. I was horrified by it. I was spiritually drained from the attacks. You crushed it. But this is it. Like weeks later it goes online and everyone, great people like yourself saying, well done. I'm like, thank you. I didn't expect any of that. I remember I went to my college in Oxford the day after and my principal was like, how

did it go Calvin? I was like, just don't ask. Just when it goes online, don't watch it. Interesting. And so this is the thing that when we are praying to be Used as a vessel God does that and we might not recognize it, but he works through us and we have to be open to that I once heard a priest say Lord use even my bull crap as manure for their growth. Yes use it all

Yes, and that beautiful. I take great company Is I accidentally speak a lot of bullcrap. So please Lord use all of it. Gee, that's amazing. And that does just go to show doesn't it? How easily we are influenced. I mean you seemed to be influenced by that negative response you got. Yeah. Such that you thought I failed. But then, you know, those of us who try to hold to the truth, maybe in a town that's completely against us, we start to think, well, maybe I'm wrong. Like it is, it is easy to be a coward. Well, it's also that we need that affirmation ourselves. That's our own sin. We need that feedback. Like you mentioned earlier, we have our phones and we like to get those likes,

we like to get the viewers on the numbers going up and stuff like that. It's the same. So I would have liked to have seen people like, yes, he's right, and voting in favor. That's my personal sin. But one of the reasons I always wear this collar is that we don't know who we're witnessing to. We don't know whose heart we're touching. We don't know who we're leading to Christ. And maybe it's not our job to know.

So often I go on the tube and I always make a point of wearing my collar and people who are low church are actually against it. A lot of people on my side of the divide are like, you know, that's too Catholic or that's too whatever. And the number of people who've approached me afterwards and said, you know, I was having an awful day or I've had an awful week or, you know, my wife is in trouble or something serious. And I saw, I saw you, I looked up, I saw your collar and I have not said anything to them because we're silent on the tube in London and they looked up and saw your collar and I was filled with the presence of the Holy Spirit or as a reminder that Christ is comforted in my suffering or something lifted

over me in that moment. And that's just this, that's nothing to do with me whatsoever. That's just this reminding them of him. And this is why I think it's so important that we have to remind ourselves that it's not about us and we might never ever know how we're making an impact in people's lives by being used as a vessel. Yeah. Yeah. No, I'm, I'm actually surprised that you thought you did so poorly. It was one of the best, I think it is the best speech I have ever heard about why I told him this last night at dinner, but you, me and Father Jason all were together like the day after we saw it

each for the first time and we all agreed it was the best speech on the topic in the last five to six years, maybe ever. And it was the best because for me, it seemed like it was the perfect balance of this is wrong and needs to be condemned. And those promoting it ought to be ashamed of themselves. Plus, we are all sinners. And of course, the church welcomes everybody, but we don't promote or welcome sin. Why is this disconnect? Because it's funny. Sex is a funny thing, man. Our sexuality, sexual sins, because, you know, if you meet somebody and I don't know that they, they're into insider trading or racism or blowing up schools,

we all recognize like, all right, look, we love you and you're welcome here, but you need to repent. When it comes to anything sexual, it's multiple choice. I'd love you to comment on this because in addition to that, the, the, the, the heretics and the work left will say to us, why are you so obsessed about sex? It's like, because you have a dude dressed as a woman twerking in front of children. You idiot.

So there's two parts to that. The first part is identity. People make their sex their identity. So if we are saying that their sexuality is immoral, we're saying their identity is immoral. We're saying they are immoral. That's the problem right there. And of course we're not saying that we're saying the sin is wrong, not the sinner and that we're all sinners and they need to repent just as much as we do. We're not putting ourselves on a pedestal, which is often again what the woke

lot think we're doing. They think we're being superior. It's like, no, we recognize that we are sinners. That's our faith. The second part of that is that yes, they say we're obsessed with sex, but I think it's them that are obsessed with sex. And we are afraid of talking about sex. We've been afraid for so long, partly because of the scandals that the church has seen, but also because we don't want to be seen as ostracizing any particular community. We want to be seen as inclusive. And instead we should be teaching the things that we know to be true. We should be saying marriage is between one man and one woman. Sex outside of marriage is fornication. Sex within marriage with someone

who isn't your husband or wife is adultery. And we should be using these words. Amen. This is my, I've been banging this drum for a long time. Ugly words for ugly behaviors, self abuse, sort of me. And they're emotive words for a reason. Right. And cause you, you, you call adultery cheating and you've turned marriage into a game. Yeah. You called adultery. You've become a lustful coward who needs to repent.

Yeah. We need to go back to the words, man. But and going back to that's what it is going back to the words. So you said it is a great speech, fantastic, whatever. But that was, I can't take credit for that because all I did was I went back to Paul, went back to Aquinas, went back to Christ. Yeah. We just go back to the words that we've been given. Yeah. And this is what our bishops are supposed to be doing. Yeah. Teaching what we've been handed down to us, that Christ gave us through the apostles.

Given that we are, do we tend to be cowards, right? That, especially if we haven't sort of exercised that virtue in a particular realm, it is so important that we support our priests and bishops and religious whenever they say something right. I mean, how, how, how do you see that happening? Because you mentioned this ordinary at, I guess in London where you've got these traditional young Catholics who just want to be faithful to the church and scripture and Christ, and you've got a, presumably a coward of a priest. Um, I mean, I know the answer is very, but like how important is it and how should we

continue to encourage our clergy not to capitulate to the one same sex attracted fellow or Sheila in the, in the choir. But I don't know how we do it, but me personally, I use my platform that I saw. I've been gifted this platform by God to use for the faith. Right. So I, if I see someone doing something good, I'll encourage, like a teacher, encourage good behavior. That's right. When Justin Welby does something that is faithful once in a while it happens, I promote it on my show. I was like, yes, this is great. More of this, please.

But likewise, when they do something, when they error, when they air, point it out, expose it and say, you know, you're promoting sin. This is not appropriate. So just using the platform, but how we do it as individuals, I don't know. And it's something I struggle with because people are always saying there's no, you know, my local priest is a wet, they're going on about net zero and climate crisis and, and trans and BLM and they've got the, the stupid trans flag up the trans racial flag or whatever. They're not preaching the word. What do I do? Yeah. I'm like, I don't actually know. I don't know what to say. Like I, I don't want to say go shopping around churches cause I believe in the parish system, the pro-co

systems fantastic. And that's the only true place of diversity in the community where you get people of different ages, different genders, different sexes, races, whatever, all molding together around Christ. That's important. But we've got to hold these people to account somehow. Whether that's through the parish council or I don't know. It's hard to know because I agree with you and I'm a fan, not a fan, but I see the value in the parish system and yet I think it might be worthwhile just to abandon them and let them perish up and die If they are proclaiming heresy, you know in the way that people say well, we got to save the public schools No, no take your kids out and let it collapse

It's a haven of filth and I'm not saying that most parishes are like public schools Yeah, but some are there was that display in New York City recently where they had do you see that? They had this like God is that display in New York City recently where they had, do you see that? They had this like, God is trans display in a Catholic church. And if a Catholic went in there. I'm sorry, what? Yeah, look it up. No, I take that criticism actually.

I'm gonna reflect on that because the truth is more important than the system. Especially when you have kids. Yeah. When you have kids, what are you gonna do, take them to this place? Home school. Yeah.

Don't send your kids to a public school. Also, sorry, while I'm engaged here in the conversation, we're at 18 hundred and sixty six viewers. All right. See, that makes me feel good. Please share the video. And and so we can get to 2000. Yeah. And we're almost to a thousand likes to. So doesn't this just show you like that?

It's not the beige false Christianity that waffles on these topics that even gets views. Right. Who the hell wants that? It's samey isn't it Matt? It's samey. I don't understand why people in the church want the church to be the same as secular society. Like the debauchery, the degeneracy, the loneliness, the isolation that people are feeling. People are unhappy because the left have been pushing freedom for so long, but it's freedom to sin. It's freedom from God is what it is. Yeah, freedom from righteousness, as St. Paul talks about.

It's slavery. It is slavery, absolutely, because everyone needs boundaries. Because this is why God gave us boundaries. And what's so painful for people is many of us, if not the vast majority of us, are victims of this pornified culture. Oh yeah. I've got friends of mine. Dan Mattson is one.

He wrote an excellent book called Why I Don't Call Myself Gay. He has same-sex attraction. One of the most saintly and manliest dudes I have ever met. But imagine what it's like for him, right? Or somebody else with same-sex attraction. I'm sure we have men and women who are watching. We want to remind you, we love you. Yes.

You know, like- Or more importantly, Christ loves you. Yeah. Yeah. It's not an us versus them. It's just us. We're all broken. You know, we're all struggling with temptations

and sexual sin to a degree. And so we're all in this together. This is not an ask versus them thing that the woke would like to make it out to be. But my friend, Dan, I mean, he lived the gay lifestyle and how insulting is it for him when he sees just the harvest of chaos that he reaped in his life to be told by some dissenting priest that he's wrong to submit to what the church has always taught. How patronising, how insulting.

Well, these people don't care. These people, whether they're priests or laity that say, actually what you're doing is right. These people who affirm people's sin are leading souls to hell. They don't care about these people. There's no love there. There's no compassion there because there's no truth there. The truth is avoid sin, repent and have faith in Christ. That is the truth. Anything else is evil. That's what they're doing. I found the artist's explanation of the art display. Go for it. Let's hear it. Okay. Get you ready. I want everyone to hear that Matt asked me to read this. Uh oh.

Oh, unless, you know, unless you read a line ahead and it's sexually. Yeah, it's not sexual. It's just going to make you very angry. Okay. Here we go. God is Trans maps the queer spiritual journey by three significant points. Sacrifice, identity, and communion the painting sacrifice and its complimentary act in the film speak to the need to shed an old life and

personhood in order to be focused on your spiritual need hmm there is no devil just past selves there is no what you heard me devil yep this is in a Catholic Church yeah that's in a Catholic Church? Yeah. That's not a Catholic Church. St. Paul the Apostle in New York City. Shame on you. Shame on you.

Shame on the pastor too. I would find it very difficult to condemn anybody who went in there and destroyed the whole thing. Yeah. And then got arrested. Yeah. Do you want me to keep going? How far is it?

Is it still there? I don't know if it's still up. It was taken. The title was taken down, but they left the display, the art itself. How despicable. They are doing the devil's work by saying there is no devil. Identity, the most impactful part of the exhibit. What does holiness look like? What does your God look like? God is with a lowercase G. Are these two portrayals lowercase g are these two portrayals that can be merged. Finally, communion rounds out the spiritual journey by placing God and the mortal on the same plane

to speak to one another. This part of the installation is about a spiritual home and the ways we can achieve this home in our everyday lives. It's idolatry, that's what it is. This whole identity thing is like, if our identity isn't rooted in Christ, it's rooted in ourselves.

We're making gods of ourselves That's exactly what that is. It's finding your own heaven. Yeah It's ugly. The paintings are not as large as I expected, but they are hideous They're just not You know, I Feel like Pachamama is a little worse than this, but I don't know it depends how you interpret Pachamama is a little worse than this, but... I don't know. It depends how you interpret Pachamama. There have been those who have said that there was an explicit intention that this was meant to be a version of the Blessed Virgin Mary.

And so if that's the case, then I think the criticism is, yeah, well, it's bloody confusing to the rest of the world to be bowing down to something that's supposed to represent the Blessed Virgin Mary, but isn't. I mean, either it's the Blessed Virgin Mary, but isn't. I mean, it is the blessed Virgin Mary, or it's not, right? Yeah. Well, obviously yes. That's okay.

It has to be true. Like it's either the blessed Virgin Mary, or it's not. There is that binary. And yet I guess different cultures throughout the world have represented the blessed Virgin differently. That's fair, yeah. You know? But as long as it's supposed to be her,

not someone who could possibly represent her. Right, right. This demon represents the blessed Virgin Mary. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, go to hell. Yeah, oh man, praise the Lord. Also, for legal reasons, Matt is not telling anyone to go commit any crimes.

Although. Please don't. I'll always say is the Bible tells us about whips and turning tables. If we see this kind of stuff in a church, we need to get it out. There are legal ways to do that, though. Yeah. But at what point has your country become so anti-Christian and secular that we no longer should be listening to the laws of the land. Yes. Yes. That was a good argument over COVID with the stupid masks.

The vaccine mandates is when a law is immoral, you are not supposed to follow that law. Like with the closing of churches, you know, we had, our churches were closed, not just to congregations, but to priests. And our church did that, not the government, because the government said we're closing non-essential services. And the church said, well, we're not essential. What's the sacrament? And they said to priests, you can go into the church for maintenance purposes, but you cannot pray while you're there. Oh my goodness. So you can't pray the divine liturgy. You can't pray for your parish.

You cannot pray while you're there. So their priority was maintenance over prayer. That's the lack of faith, right? What happened recently with that lady who was arrested outside of an abortion clinic for praying silently. And what do you know much about? I do. Isabel Vaughan Spruce. She's a lovely woman. She heads up the March for Life campaign in the UK. And she got arrested for silently praying within the vicinity of an abortion center. So she wasn't directly outside it because we have these new PSPOs they're called.

It's essentially a buffer zone around an abortion center. And it's because women have a right to kill their babies without being harassed. And we've heard this in parliament. Someone asked the question to the prime minister, you know, someone has been arrested for praying silently in their head. This is an infringement of their freedom of worship, their freedom of expression, freedom of thought. And the prime minister said, well, we have to balance that freedom along with the woman's right to healthcare. First of all, abortion is not caring for anyone's health. No.

But the abortion center was closed at the time and prayer is not harassment. So the balance is, if there is a balance to be kept, which I would argue there shouldn't be, that balance is way off. Yeah. And Isabelle's a good example. I tried to get her on my show for a good two months and that just the barriers and hurdles that were put in place. This is the spiritual

warfare that we're up against. But I finally got her on and got that story out there. She's such a good woman. Need support. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. You know, it might be thought that all we're doing here is just getting together and getting angry about the ways we're failing. And if that's all it was, then that wouldn't be enough. Right. But I think what we're trying to do is to help people feel less alone. Yeah. So if you're living in a parish or a town or a country that's foisting all of this gay stuff on you, then you need to realize you're not the insane one.

So I think that's partly why I want to talk about this, the way we're talking about it. But then to encourage us to be saints, because if the bishops, if the Pope, if priests, if whoever falters at their posts and doesn't proclaim what needs to be proclaimed or condemn what needs to be condemned, they will have to answer before Almighty God. Exactly. And their judgment will be worse as false teachers, as wolves in sheep's clothing. This is what I spoke about yesterday. Just real quick, but their failure doesn't, you know, alleviate us of the responsibility to proclaim what we know to be true. This is it. If the leaders are failing, we have to remind ourselves that we are the church.

You don't have to have this on. We are the church. So it's our job to claim the truth. And you're right that this is encouraging. And of course we're called to disciple the nations, but at the same time we are called to be saints. So that means we're encouraged, even if we are not through this discipling people, which we might be, we're still encouraging people to live out their faith.

And that is important. Yeah. You're not insane. Yeah. What you're seeing is insane. Your right to feel that way. Yeah. Yeah. Don't let people encourage you to lie and encourage you to sit and don't let them make you say things you know, to be untrue. And then surround yourself with people who will lovingly correct you. Like I need to be surrounded by people who point out the ways I'm a coward if I say something that's false I've got and I would recommend anybody who has any kind of platform to do this

I have several people who I have called and have specifically said, please if you see me Saying things that are untrue Call me and please correct me because I love you and I trust you and Yeah. Call me and please correct me because I love you and I trust you and I'll listen to you. And that's that. And these people have done that. And I've been so gratified by that. Yeah. We all need accountability. Yeah. Your litmus test can't be the eight thousand comments under every video with varying opinions. Because some people will try to push you. Yeah. Yeah. The wrong way. One way or the other. Yeah. And this is why I'm an Anglican. This is why I'm not some random denomination

because I believe in the Episcopal structure. I believe in apostolic succession, but also the oversight that comes along with that and having people to hold you to account. And you're not, you're just not a random pastor with your own church. You've got to have a structure that you're a part of. How do we, and it might seem that this is not worth asking

because we're so far down the road to hell. But how do we balance, when we talk about these issues, condemnation of the sin and love of the person? Obviously, you could do it by just saying that. But we really do want to, I don't know, it feels like when we've been so beaten down as Christians by the lies and we're finally finding some courage. There's going to be a temptation to pendulum swing such that you just shame and you do come off kind of so aggressive that it appears hateful to people. It's like, how do you find that balance?

Or do you just, you know, like you see people like Matt Walsh, who I think did a fabulous job in that excellent documentary, What is a Woman? Yeah. You know, do you do the two things at different times? Like I, for example, will give some talks on pornography, right? I want to shame pornography. I want to show people why it is so pathetic. Yeah.

But I also want to let people know that we've been raised in a pornified culture and this has probably been foisted on you since you were young. Yeah. And of course you have a desire, sexual desire, and we're struggling with this and you are, I'm not condemning you. You see what I'm saying? How do we do this? I mean, you did it excellent in the, in the speech, but how do we not lose our heart and our gentleness towards the sinner as we seek to combat the, the loud errors of the woke left? I think we have to be careful not to set out to cause offence and the bad faith. That's why I didn't do that t-shirt. Right? Yeah. But the bad faith

factors assume we're always trying to cause effect. We're not. We've got to speak the truth in grace, which means speaking the truth objectively. And if people take offence, that's on them, not us. That's the difference. We're not setting out to cause it, but if people take it, which they will, because people are afraid of the truth. Just as, you know, Isabelle Vaughan Spruce got arrested for prayer because people are afraid of the power of prayer. People are afraid of all of these things that they know to be true, but we have to stand firm in them regardless, but not trying to cause trouble because we know it will come to us anyway. Yeah. I, I, I think I agree with you, but I do think there needs to be a distinction between those who are hurting and those who are actively

lying, you know, like it's like, look at target, putting out like pride, baby clothes. Like I want to offend them. I don't want to offend them by saying things that are false. What do I mean by I want to offend them? Maybe that's not what I mean. Maybe what I mean is in just saying what's true. I know it'll offend them.

Yeah. But sometimes you do need to shame them, especially these big multinationals with the evil practices. You've got to call it out and say, this is wrong. This is bad, but I suppose that's not a person, is it? So it's different. Yeah. It's an entity. Yeah. If I got a fella sitting across from me, whose head is in his hands and he's up to his eyeballs and porn, obviously I speak to him with love and compassion and gentleness and firmness, but like in a way that I wouldn't speak to someone who's pushing the stuff and peddling it, even though they themselves may not use it. I don't know. I think a lot of

this that is very loud. We need some WD 40. Post-haste. A lot of this, Matt, is remembering why we were told to call God our father, right? Because it's that that's the relationship that we're supposed to have with him. The reason he sets boundaries is because he loves us. And it's, it's like a parent with their child. We don't let the child harm themselves. We say you can operate within these bounds. And if you operate outside of these bounds, you're in trouble. And that's the same with how we are supposed to relate to each other. That's good. Right? I like that because, you know, I have a four children and I'll sometimes say to my youngest, I'm not punishing you and sending you to this little Montessori

school. But like we think you need to go there buddy, because you have in a real time, difficult time listening to mom, but he sees it as a punishment. So it's like that reminding like, this is not, or if I send you to your room and I have to sit you down and take something away from you, having to explain like, I love you. That's why I'm doing this. Even though he doesn't believe you, maybe in the heat of the moment. Right. Yeah. But they'll look back and they'll realize why you did it. You did it out of love. It's the motivation. It's the intent. That's important. Isn't it? Yeah. Yeah. I think so. I think so. All right. Let's take a break. And then when we come back, we're going to take some questions from our very attractive local supporters and we'll try to get to some super chats as well.

Wonderful. Any sinner is capable of being a great sinner, a great sinner, a great sinner. The secret therefore of character development is the realization of this power that there is in each and every one of us, for good and for evil. The good Lord would have us lay hold of what is worst in ourselves. Do not think that people who have virtue and kindness and other great talents just came by these things naturally. They had to work out them very hard. Any sinner is capable of being a great saint, and any saint is also capable of being a great A great sinner. The secret therefore of character development is the realization of this power that there is in each and every one of us, for good and for evil. The good Lord would have us lay hold of what is worst in ourselves.

Do not think that people who have virtue and kindness and other great talents just came by these things naturally. They had to work out them very hard. I'm sorry. We're back! I want to invite everybody watching to buy one of these t-shirts we just came up with, Reclaim the Month with the Sacred Heart of Jesus on it. I think the design is really beautiful. And of course, June is the month that the church, you know, emphasizes and celebrates devotion to the sacred heart of Jesus Christ. So Thursday, can you put up a couple of those images for the folky folks?

Yeah, we're doing it right now. That one's really big. Do you have a link in the description so that people can check it out? I do have a link in the description. Go there. Go there. What are you doing for more traddy people that don't wear t-shirts? Yeah I thought you meant tritey people have walk around with just bare-chested. Um Yeah, what can we get with well, I think we have mugs or something pins would be cool We have mugs. We have a mug that says reclaim the month. We have a sticker that says reclaim the month

We don't love about that is is it creates a conversation without causing unnecessary offense. I once bought my father a t-shirt that said, I named this t-shirt Mohammed, but he hasn't been brave enough to wear it. Was it good? I named this t-shirt Mohammed. I don't understand that. I just laughed and I didn't understand what you meant. I mean, I get that it's kind of cheeky, but what's the point?

There was a hoo-ha in the UK that someone called the teddy bear Mohammed and they got death threats. Oh! They, castigated from society. What's weird too is what the world considers unacceptable to talk about and how it goes through phases. Like a year ago, if we had to say, no, I'm not getting the vaccine, just shut up. I don't want to do it. I really just don't like being told what to do by the government. I kind of feel like if the government said, don't do it, I would have got it in a back

alley injected into my ass. But something about being told what is wrong with you. Lots of things that had, I did not want to talk about it at the start. Now I'll proclaim I am unvaccinated. But at the beginning, I didn't want to mention it because I thought this is a fight I'm not ready for. Well, and it's fair enough. Like, it's hard to know where prudence begins and cowardice begins. Right? Like if, if, if, if, and, and you know, someone I used

to be friends with and well, I still am, I suppose Patrick Coffin, you know, he, he was his book on the contraceptive deception. Excellent. Isn't one of the best books I've read in a long, long time because that outlines everything we're seeing right now. Why all comes back to contraceptives. Yeah. He used, I think that book was originally called Sexo Naturale. Right. It was, yeah. And then no one knew what that meant. And people hate the French. So that's a joke.

Right, Liesel. What? But yeah, maybe put a link to that from Pat Coffin. That book is excellent. Contraception separated the conjugal act from holy matrimony. Preach. Before divorcing those from God. Preach Protestant. Sorry. I'm an Anglican, not a Protestant.

Yeah. Praise God. Yeah. No, but it is hard to know where prudence and cowardice begin. Because if you're so Patrick came out and spoke quite vocally on this and I didn't follow what he was saying. Maybe he was saying things that were just outrageously false. I don't know because I didn't hear them. But the point is, you know, you just criticized COVID lockdowns, the vaccine, and now we feel safe to do it. So it's almost like just truth changes. Because truth is now subjective. So it is, I think there is something about being prudent about, you know, like this platform reaches a lot of people. Yeah.

And praise God, I just had a, I was on Ben Shapiro's show yesterday, that releases Monday on his channel, by the way, that interview, but his assistant reached out to me and she said that her husband converted to Catholicism and Pines played a big role in that. Oh wow. Oh my Lord, glory to Jesus Christ.

And so you wanna maintain the platform because you want to reach the people who bring fabulous folks like yourself on the show. And yet if we don't say what's true, then I think what we show is that we love the platform more than the people we're trying to. It's a balance, isn't it? Like all these things is a fine line. I think you do have to protect the platform you've been gifted, but at the same time you really do have to claim the truth. And are there any topics you're not wanting to talk about on your show? Yeah. So I would, my challenge to you, you're asking me or is it a rhetorical thing? I was asking, no, I don't know. That's what I, that's my, not now that doesn't mean I have, and we said this during the break, it doesn't mean I hold certainty about it. You meet these, you meet some people and they're not confused

about anything. They're very emphatic about all the issues, what the bishops are doing wrong or what this, and I, I find myself just honestly, and it might be me being a coward, but I don't think it is. I think sometimes I'm like, I just don't know how you know so much about this priest, that Bishop. You can be too involved in all of that. Can't you? Church politics can get a bit much overbearing. What do you do for fun? That is a good question. Thank you. Yeah. I've recently, no, because for the last five years, I wouldn't have been able to answer that question. I've been doing public ministry, parish ministry, um, studying theology. Yeah. It's been full on, but over the last month,

I've started playing video games again for the first time in like five years. I'm playing Hogwarts legacy. It's a nice bit of escapism. It's a beautifully designed video game at the same time. It's, it's anti woke as well because it's, it's, you know, what platform you play it on. I had to buy a PS five to play it. And I've always, so I want to, I want to kind of push back against that. I, I'm not sure if it's necessarily escapism. I think we have to make a distinction between leisure and escapism maybe by escapism, I think, and maybe you mean something different by it as sort of a dissociative activity where I'm, I want to not exist. No, no, I just mean escaping

from the war. I mean, taking a break. I mean, something that to not exist. No, no, I just mean escaping from the war. I mean, taking a break. I mean, something that's not productive. I feel like I always have to be productive. That's a sin. Yeah, so I think we agree. Cause I think it was Aristotle who talked about the Greek word utropilia. I think I got that word right.

Playfulness is a virtue. Aquinas talks about the importance of relaxing one's mind or else you will go nuts. Well, this is why we have the Lord's day, isn't it? Yeah. But of course, as a cleric, we don't necessarily have Sundays off. So it's, you have to set some time aside. Yeah. All right. So tell us more about video games. I used to, I used to be a big gamer. I used to love killing terrorists in call of duty and counterstrike. Yeah. I have, I'm going to see, see if we'll see how old you are now. I won't ask you directly, but have you, have

you played the game? The member red alert? Do you ever play that game? Command and conquer? Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Good. All right. What about, uh, do the original quake? Yeah. Yeah. I was more of an unreal tournament guy than a quake guy. Okay. So maybe you are younger than me. I can't tell, but I've downloaded the retro quake. In fact, there was a new release of it. Well, I say new probably like six years ago or something. No, but yeah, the original quake was terrifying. Are you a PC gamer? I respect people who are, but I'm PC master race. Oh, okay. Yeah. I, uh, I said this to you before the show that I find that I try to relive experiences that I found rejuvenating as a teenager, but now I can't find them that way.

Like the last couple of weeks, I've been thinking a great deal about the sin of pornography and the difference between lust and sexual desire. That does it for me for some reason. I'm just old and boring now. Like reading Carol Voitiwa's Love and Responsibility does it for me in a way that games don't. But that said, I kind of want to get the new Zelda.

Right, yes. I haven't even seen anything about this, which is shameful I Saw a really funny joke the other day. All right, somebody Published a screenshot because there's this dog in the new Zelda. Yeah, and there's no button to pet it And so the joke was that they released the game Unfinished because you couldn't pet the dog and it was unplayable at launch and that that made me laugh quite a bit That must be a gamer joke.

I don't fully get it. A lot of games are coming out so broken now that you can't play them. So the joke is, yeah. But like, if there's a game like I'd like to kind of play. And I also, my favorite games is everybody knows if they've ever listened to the show for more than two weeks is like point and click adventure games.

I love those games. There's an excellent old game called the Pandora directive put out by big Finnish games and they're coming up with a 20th anniversary edition of it, but it might be 25 years by the time they're done. But I really like those sorts of games. I just like to shoot things in the head. But again, it's that dopamine hits, isn't it? And actually, so I had a video games website that reviewed games and that kind of stuff. But so I was very enthusiastic about video games, but I've come full circle in my old age.

I now think that actually it's a distraction because men need a sense of accomplishment. They need to achieve things. They need to contribute to society. And when we're getting those, that dopamine hit from video games, we're not doing it in the real world. So we're not being productive. And if I look at what's happened in my life over the last five years, since I stopped playing games, I've done so many things that I can be thankful for

and proud of that I never would have done. So if you personally then, how do you enjoy a video game like Hogwarts without it becoming dissociative activities where you're just like shutting down and not engaging in what you know, the Lord's calling you to do. How do you personally? I don't have that problem because now I have to force myself to play. I have to force myself to take time off. Yeah. Yeah. But I'm like, I'm like you, I'm getting old and boring, but I like that. I like being boring. I think it's fantastic. Like as you, as a young person, you always wanting to be cool. You always want to be trendy and edgy and that's hard work. Especially to get older and you no longer understand the dialect and the words. My favourite

thing to do is to sit in my chair next to my wife and chat with her. That's so awesome. I love it. I love it. I really do. And just to be, and then as my kids are getting older, just to have them kind of moseying about the place and being crazy and weird and happy. So I've got a small group of friends, Emma Webb, Lawrence Fox, political commentators, but we get together on a Sunday in an evening. We have a Sunday roast and that's our church

essentially. And it was over lockdown. We continued it when we were supposed to. And that to me is just where I'm content. See, there is similarities between Australia and England that I haven't found in America, for obvious reasons maybe, and Ireland, for obvious reasons maybe. I used to live in Ireland for three years and a couple of times went over to England and something about the humour, it's very similar to Australian humour. I remember getting into the tube and just listening to these good old boys banter back and forth and like, ah, this is just like home.

Like abusive and dry. Very dry. Yeah. What kind of Aussie were you? Are you a Bogan or what? Well, so what would Bogan mean? Bogan would, I'm trying to think how to translate that for Americans. It would be something like a disheveled redneck, wouldn't it? Yeah.

Do you use the word Bogan in England? No, I had an Australian girlfriend. I learned the language that way. But we probably, I'd probably link it to chavs in the UK. Chaps. Yeah. Yeah. What would it be? I think, I think Bogan has a different connotation. Nonconformist kind of. Yeah. But what would we say? Like, yeah, yeah, yeah. Maybe that's right. Some of these words take on a life of their own. There's a lot of good Australian sayings that I think the

world can benefit from. Yeah. I was going to ask you guys to do Australian and British slang so I could Make a killer short out of it. Yeah, because I was referring to Thursday's fags yesterday I thought that might get him in trouble And in Australia, do you say this in America if you want something from somebody and you're like you're asking for something without giving anything In return, do you say bum? Can I bum this off you people? I would never say that but people do say that Well, he will still say one said you don't want to bum his can I bum a fag? Oh, no. That was a word, a phrase he used.

Should clarify. And it was very wholesome. You would have meant he wanted to have a cigarette. But in Canada, you shouldn't be saying things like that. Well, in Canada, you can say things like that. Why is that used to be celebrated for it? Oh, no, I'm just sorry. Probably. Yeah. All right.

So, okay. Here's the Australian words, but more. I like Australian, um, slang, like there are some of them are a bit offensive. Go on. Why you let me pull something up? May your ears turn into assholes and shittle over your shoulders is probably the greatest scripture for a moment there. No. So that that is my all-time favorite saying. But there's other ones like useless as a chocolate teapot. Yeah, that's very English though, isn't it? It is. Yeah. Teapots in general.

Gay as a hat, gay as- That's a word we need to bring back. Gay as a top hat full of Speedos. So here- Come on! Are you not entertained? That's a real one. Yeah. I love that one. Gay as a top hat full of Speedos. So here, come on. Are you not entertained? Yeah, I love that one. As a top hat full of Speedos. What do you got? Sticky fingers. Does that mean you know some Australian group? I don't know what that means.

Some of my Australian music. Hilltop Hoods. These Australian bands. I love that you're looking to me to see if I know them. I see Higgins. Yeah, yeah. Higgins. You just say that. No, I do. I know who that is. I've been away

from Australia since 2000. Matt Corby. I've heardiggins. Yeah. Yeah. He was the Higgins. You just say that. No, I do. I know who that is. I've been away from Australia since 2000. Matt Corby. I've heard of the name. But okay. Orgy March is one of my favorite bands and they're Australian. I looked that up later. Unfortunately, I think they might be kind of atheists and out about it. Because I think when Lawrence Krauss went to Australia, they were promoting him. But they are brilliant. I love Orgy March. AUGU-G-I-E is what I'm saying, Americans. Not Augie, Augie March, you would say. Some of my favorite Christian music is Kanye West's stuff. I love that album so much. Yeah, it's fantastic, isn't it? I think that was God's work. The way vinyl of it is still out.

This is why I think he was such a target for the devil, because he was doing God's work, and he's fallen, bless him, but we have to support him. Amen. Yeah. I was in tears when he, that, that one song of his where he says God saved a wretch like me. When he said that I was punched in the guts. Well, it's a glorious album when he says, uh, what are the Christians saying about it? And it's like that they're the first ones to taunt me or was it persecuted me? I'm like, yeah, yeah, it's true. It's true. You can never quite be Christian enough for us Christians. Like the moment he came out for Christ, our community was like, yeah, but are you really? It's like,

no, we should be embracing him. See, I am, um, to the chagrin of 90% of my viewers, a fan of praise and worship music. Oh, interesting. I like it. A lot of people in my denomination or I can't stand it. You personally can say, no, no, I like it. A lot of people in my denomination, or I can't stand it personally. No, no, I like it. Give me Handel any day. Oh, Zadok the priest. See, and I respect that a lot more. But I also don't want to lie about what I find beautiful and moving. And it's not like I think a song from Hillsong is more beautiful than what you've referenced, obviously. But there is something about just telling God who he is and who I am before him, who he has said I am and to do it in kind of colloquial slang.

I'm a fan. I love it. Give me the V without thems. I've got the RSV because I didn't want to bring the KJV because I don't want to offend the Catholics. Oh, I love the KJV. This is one of my favorite. But I do like the idea of having a, it's the KJV New Testament.

Oh, wonderful. Isn't that beautiful? Yeah. That's the new, that's the old, the real old way of, yeah. Do you have something like that? You have the old, old, old, old. My church read exclusively from the KJV.

I love it. It's so beautiful. It is. That's it. There's truth in beauty, right? Yeah. You can have that. You want it?

Thank you. Yeah, you have it. That's a gift since you flew all the way from England. It's the least I can bloody do. That was handmade in by a friend, well not a friend, but a fella in the South. Wow. But even the letters are slightly different. Yeah, I've already used the S for F

and all that kind of stuff. Yeah, I find it beautiful, but my problem is when I read the KJV and I read something I'm like, Oh, I haven't noticed that before. I immediately think, oh, what does that say in the RSV? Right. Right. And so that just got too exhausting. Well, I like that you're using the RSV and not the NRSV because that's just work. Yeah. Yeah. What do you think about the Knox translation? That's a British man.

That's your favorite, isn't it? Yeah. I don't know about that. Robert Knox's. Ah, father Robert Knox. He was a, an Anglican priest who converted to Catholicism. Shame. Degeneracy. He converted to Catholicism. He actually translated the entire Vulgate, referencing the original text by himself over nine years. And it was the, Gee, that'll do.

It was the official translation, English translation used by, in the UK by Catholic churches. So this must have been like pre 1956 then, because I like that the church said, we've got to stop translating the vulgar, we've got to go back to the sources, which is why I like the RSV.

Yeah, I use the ESV, which is- The ESV is fine. Just like the RSV, really, just slightly different. Yeah, no thee, thou, thems, but it's very sound. Does that have small print? Yeah, this is just compact. I have such an old, that's the whole Bible? Yeah, yeah.

See, you don't have the Deuteronocles, do you? You can have my RSV. I am grateful that you offered that to me, but I'm not going to accept it because I can't read the font. It's too small. That's why I need these. Fair enough.

Do you want to look similar? Someone suggested that- So yeah, I've seen a side by side. That you look like me in blackface. Wow. How do you feel about that? I thought you looked like me in whiteface. Yeah.

I got an idea. Let's put you in black face and you in white face and see who gets canceled. I'm allowed to do that. You're not. Why is that? That's a double standard of society. Why is that?

I don't know. Well, I don't know. I haven't looked into the issue. But therefore then they're saying that black people are blue white people, aren't they? So that's the racism. I've said this joke so many times, but I'm gonna do it again.

There's that joke from Ricky Gervais about who is awful in many respects, but one of the funniest people ever. He's great. He talked about, and people say he can't punch down, but what if I want to punch a midget? I'm gonna punch down, don't I? Or I'm gonna miss a little bugger.

Yeah, I've only got one joke. Okay, cool. If I had a pound for every gender or if I had a dollar for every gender. Oh, that's good. I have two quid. Oh, I like it. That's good. This seems to be, do you think that even just on a sort of natural level, we're seeing the pendulum swing because I'm not going to say which child, but I have children and who are older and their friends are very

much against woke ism and it's got nothing to do with, I hope it's got something to do with, but it doesn't seem to have anything explicitly to do with me teaching them. It's just they're tired of being preached at. Mason- Yeah. Well, much like our parents' generation moved away from Christianity because they felt like they were preached at it so often, the younger generation have woken to shove down their throats from day one, all through school, all through academia. They come out the other end and quite a lot of them are turning away from it. And I think young people are actually moving away from the degeneracy as well and moving away from sexual immorality and wanting to wait until marriage. And this is great

to see. I hope it thrives. Yeah. Yeah. That struck me once because I gave a talk to these teenagers at a big Steubenville youth conference. There was probably about three to 5,000 in front of me. And I was kind of given an outline of the talk I should give on dating and I'm reading it and it was fine. Like there was nothing wrong about it, except I don't think teens should be dating. And so I'm like, I'm just going to say that. So I'm like, yeah, I don't think you should date because you probably just fornicate.

That's what I said, just like that. And everyone cheered. Wow. I honestly thought they misheard me just turns out his generation is cooler than ours. Whatever generation you are. But we should be teaching them this stuff. We should be explicit about it. Don't have a binge drinking culture. Don't have sex outside of marriage.

Don't date until you're old enough to. And this is what sex ed should be in schools. Rather than, you know, what I hear all the time now is, well, they're going to see pornography anyway. So we might as well teach them how to do it properly. And we've got schools in the UK teaching children as young as five about masturbation, about sex toys, about sodomy. Go to hell.

Well, that's where you're going. That's where we're going because you're teaching us. You're teachers. Yeah. Yeah. No, my son, I'll call him out. Liam is one of the coolest boys I've ever met. He was asked. He said to me a couple of months into this year is like, yeah,

no, I don't watch Disney because of all the gay stuff they push on kids. Really? Like what? So like, first of all, he's definitely not a people pleaser. He's not doing that for my sake at all. Secondly, like it's not like he was trying to brag to me because it was like we're three months in. So I actually said to him, do you want to go see the new Guardians?

Because I heard it was good. And he said, no, I'm not doing it. Wow. I love that. He's so much cooler than me. I do. You want to go be less cool than your son together? Yes. Have you seen it?

I have, yeah. Was it good? Yeah, I parrots it the other day. It's fantastic. You what? Parrots it. Oh, all right. For legal reasons, that's a joke.

All right. Is worth watching? Yeah. For legal reasons, that's a joke. All right. Is worth watching? Yeah. Really? Because it's just a movie. There's no agenda to it. It's just straightforward action and comedy and a bit of music.

Did you see Nefarious? No, not yet. You are gonna love it. It's so good. Okay, good. It's excellent. I'm waiting for Padre Pio as well. Yeah, I hope that's good.

When's that come out? On the second in the United States. I think Padre. Say crisis Lord. Yeah. I saw a little GIF of that and it says like when you're on a first date and she says she's spiritual, but not religious. I love it. That's how we need to be. Yeah. So you can get married, right? You don't take a vow of celibacy. And yet how are you going to do that? Wearing what you're wearing? Well, it's a good question as well. I don't know. It's difficult to meet conservative women in the UK, nevermind Christian conservative women. People don't necessarily adhere to Christian standards, even if they claim to be Christian. So it's, it is a challenge.

Yeah. I'm not going to lie, but pray for me and we'll see what happens. Yeah. But this is a comment below, let Calvin know how we can reach out. This is another thing. The Bible says that the Bishop should have one wife. Yeah. And, uh, it's, it's just church tradition.

It's not necessarily doctrine, is it? That, uh, priests and bishops should be celibate. Oh, wow. Check this out. So my friend who's doing this reclaim the month. Look at that. That's white on black. Isn't that nice? I love that. Oh, did he do a white on black? Just for you, Thursday. Thank you. I was actually going to tell him that second one, that second one. Amazing. So we're about to have to like it to me. All right. Well, can I do it in a second after? Yeah.

But yeah, we're going to have to me. All right. Well, can I do it in a second after? Yeah. But yeah, we're going to have some more, um, reclaim the month teas. So right now we've got the black on a light color. We're going to have a white on a black. I'm going to be uploading those soon. So click the link in the description and get it. Um, white on black. That's so American. White on black. What do you mean? You're going to stop the white on black violence. I don't know. Have you seen the data, Calvin? I feel like it might be. Yeah, there's a lot of black on black. Black on black is the problem, but nobody wants to talk about it. No one wants a t-shirt like that

because you can't even see what it is. If it's black on black, you can't. You can't see it. You just can't see it. It doesn't stand out. It's because the cameras don't pick it up. We're just talking about t-shirts. We're just talking about t-shirts.

Thursday's bold. That was quick Thursday. That was good. I'm going to get so much trouble. I can say this stuff. You can't. Now is it interesting in the UK because you don't have the same history of slavery in the UK. People want to use it. People want to latch onto American history. Interesting. Yeah. Like we have the same civil rights movements and all that nonsense. But you know, I was just, I was with George Farmer recently and I said, what's the reaction to like Candice here? And he said he doesn't think they've encountered a black person who hasn't recognised her and thanked her.

Isn't that funny? They're just being lied to that if you're black, you've got to have certain political beliefs. I get it all the time. There's the patronising argument from the, from the white left, but also from the black community. If there is a community that say, you know, you're either you're speaking to white or basically you're too successful or you're not representing the black community. And then it's like you are saying so black people can't speak properly. Black people can't reach success and black people have to be, you're holding yourselves back is what you're doing.

This is a trapped slavery mentality, but we never had slavery in the UK. It's been imported from America. All right. I want to take some questions from our local supporters. Yeah. Let me see. We have some questions. We also have a lot of super chat. All right. I'm not sure. What's a super chat then? Super chat is when people pay to ask a question. Okay, cool. So okay, this comes from our local supporter Tasha W. What is Reverend Robinson's opinion of wifely submission and or feminism? The Bible says that the wife should submit to the husband, but also that the husband should serve the wife.

And people often miss that part out. It comes in tandem that we are a unit that are supposed to support each other. So yes, I think feminism is actually the downfall of Western society and because it's encouraged women to become men in order to be equal and that's not, we're not about equal. Again, we're not a tolerant faith. We're also not an equal faith. We're a complimentary. Men and women are different. We're equal in dignity and worth, but that is it. There's a great homily that I would recommend people reading who are interested in this.

And it comes from John Chrysostom, one of Ephesians five. It's excellent. It's so beautiful. He says he's got all this great practical advice for husbands. Like one of the things he says is never refer to your wife by her name alone, but with always with some endearing term of affection. I love that. Like my love. It is strange that when you use your partner's just their name, their first name, isn't it? It's a bit formal. Yeah. I think I like that.

Make them more endearing. Yeah. And they also, you know, he also goes after the men where of course he says the wife should submit to her husband. You can't have two heads. That's a monster. But he also says to men, you know, something like, and you say to me, well, what do I do if my wife mocks me or disrespects me? He's like, do your duty. Love your wife as Christ loved the church. Okay.

Um, use the force says thoughts on divorce. Uh, divorce is impossible because marriage is indissoluble. However, it's one of the areas that we do get an exemption in the Bible because Christ realizes that we're all fallen and we're all unfaithful. So if there is adultery within a marriage, there can be a divorce, but you cannot remarry. All right. So we would have a different opinion there. Yeah.

So my understanding is that the way that my Catholics, I know you claim to be Catholic as well, the way the Catholic Church views this verse is to talk about unlawful marriage. So for us, adultery is not, is not, you can't get a divorce over adultery. But if a marriage never came into effect because I didn't know what I was consenting to. See, I see that as a loophole. All these annulments. No, I agree with you that it can be abused, but the abuse doesn't negate the proper use. I mean, and all you got to do is to think of one example to show that there can be some example, right? So you can think of a woman who is like violently threatened to enter

a marriage, actually know somebody who's very close to that, who didn't get married. Um, I agree with you. It can be abused for sure. And what does it mean to come into effect for marriage to come into effect? Well, it would mean that you both consent to what marriage is. Right. Yes. Consent. Yes. Yes. Cause then we've got natural law marriages too. Right. Um, okay. As long as it's not the definition of marriage being consummated because of course, right? No, you, it's in, it's in effect before, before consummation. Yeah. Okay. Uh, Calvin says, sir, my house, how do you feel about Carl Benjamin's slow movement toward

faith? I followed Saigon for years and have seen him go from militant atheist to nearing tacit acceptance. Yeah. Love you on the Lotus Locust Lotus Eaters Lotus Eaters. Okay. That's their is that their podcast. Yeah, the one he started Okay, and tell Matt to have Connor on. Oh, yeah, good shot So I've got Connor on my show this Saturday actually as my psychic 7 p.m. On TV news

I'll introduce you to Carl is great. We had brunch the other day. Um, I mean, we're all on individual faith journeys. So I won't talk about his specifically cause I think it's for him to talk about, but I think a lot of people are realizing that it's not enough to be conservative and that if we want to engage in this culture war, that is a spiritual war, we have to engage in our faith. That's what I'll say on that. Hey, Matt, I'm going to send you a Slack message. You should check it real quick.

Okay. With super chat. So, no, it's not'm going to send you a Slack message. You should check it real quick. Okay. With super chats or no, oh dear gosh, what's happened? Everything's fine. We should have a little laptop here or something. I know I should, but I left it in the car like a silly, silly. All right. Cannon 1029 states that if one spouse commits adultery, the other spouse has a right to live separately on a permanent basis. Right. The right to separation is restricted in ways that are more familiar to you lawyers than to the general public.

I don't know what I copy and paste. That last one is a separation and an annulment is not. Yeah. Thanks, man. This was nice having a Catholic producer. My last guy wasn't practicing Catholic. I wasn't getting there. I had one for a while. Maybe the first time that was public right there. I'd like to apologize. Um, joke for Calvin from Clint Collins. He says, why don't Episcopalians make good chess players? I don't know. They can't tell the

difference between a Bishop and a queen. Oh! Oh my God. That's fantastic. No, this is one of the things actually with Anglicans in that I do recognize the Pope as the Bishop of Rome, but only as the Bishop of Rome, not as a king or an emperor. Alex says, what is your impression of GK Chesterton? Fantastic, really good theologian. Obviously I prefer CS Lewis to Chesterton, but I do read

a lot of Chesterton. Lewis is terrific. Can you tell Matt to read the space trilogy? I haven't read it yet. That's my holiday book for this year. I'm taking it to skiathos. This, uh, you are going to read it. Yes. Okay. Good. A combined copy is very thick, but I figured it's fiction. Yeah. I know you're a fan of fiction on you. All I ever read is nonfiction. So I figured out what's your favorite know you're a fan of fiction, aren't you? All I ever read is nonfiction. So I figured out. What's your favorite nonfiction? Oh, oh gosh.

Favorite book. Actually, Patrick Coffin's is right up there. I think it's one of the most powerful reads I've read in a long time. But my favorite book is actually Vernon Staley, the Catholic religion. And it's, it's an argument for Anglican theology from a Catholic perspective. Do you tend to read nonfiction more than fiction? Is that what you say? Yeah. I used to do that. And I'm, I'm really at the point now where I like fiction more. I'm reading the Lord of the Rings again to my son. What a book. And did you read the Narnia

books to them? I don't like Narnia that much. I like language in the wardrobe. That's a very charming, beautiful tale. But then I tried to read the others and they're not as good. I'll give you. Yeah, yeah. Yes. All right. Let me know if we got questions coming in. I know we got a bunch on super chat, but. I'm also at the room and find some good ones.

Okay. Does Calvin have this comes from Greg, have any thoughts on Jacob Reese Mogg's recent misuse for quietness as day regno in defense of Brexit? I don't disagree with the decision to leave the EU. I just think Mogg doesn't know what he's talking about. I wonder if Calvin can explain why I'm wrong. That's quite specific. You may be familiar with.

Jacob Reese Mogg is one of our politicians in cabinet. He's a overt Catholic, very good man. The one criticism I've always had of him, and I've said this to his face so it's not too faced, is that he needs to let his faith affect his politics. He tries to compartmentalize and say, I'm a Catholic, but that would affect how I will vote. No, being a Catholic should affect how you vote.

Yeah, yeah. Alex asks asks what is the cure to the ongoing secularization of our society and subsequently our Christian faith well be faithful I suppose but done but if you'll slack me will you I'm sorry what am I doing slack me people's superchats. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Slack me. Sorry. No, I just think if society is becoming more secular, that's because we're not there to lead the faith in England. An example of that is that it's still law, the law of the land, that every single school, regardless of if it's a faith school or not a faith school, should have common worship. And that should be broadly Christian in nature. When I was in school, we had, you know, the Lord's prayer, we had

hymns. Yeah. As in not so Catholic or Protestant, but just Christian. And they don't do that anymore. So most kids do not know the our father. And I think that's great shame. It's cultural capital missing. Okay. They've got to read this question because it's fantastic. Jay Rod Frank says, what's it like being a badass traditional Christian in the church of England?

Wasn't aware that was still a thing. No, it's not. I had to leave the church of England. Yeah. It's hard work. That's what I'll say. A lot of these aren't questions. They're just shout outs and thanks.

Oh. But, so do you want me to just read the names and how much they donated and thank them? A lot of these aren't questions. They're just shout outs and thanks. Oh, but so that's for you. I mean, just read the names and how much they donated and thank them. Okay. Yeah. Uh, these are Barossa. Ten dollars. Thank you. Giovanni, tell people, keep their super chats and buy the shirt. Yeah, I just tell her super chat and buy the shirt.

We actually get a better cut from the shirt. Yeah. Super chat and buy the shirt. We actually get a better cut from the shirt. Yeah This person Kiwi says women no longer feel sick and then we can do shout outs into you know in Sporadically, I don't want to do the whole thing right now women no longer feel secure in public or school restrooms or safe playing contact sports against male players Parading as women and we are mocked and belittled in commercials in the media. How should women go about rectifying this travesty?

Well, there's the Posey Parker approach of being a radical feminist that has an impact, not one I would promote myself. But I think just by being women again, by women allowing themselves to dress modestly and to be feminine in their approach to life means that men cannot take part in that. Men cannot be feminine. Men cannot be modest in the same way. All these trans women, all these pretend women are sexualized caricatures of women. This is one thing I was saying last night. They've got the mini skirts on the crop tops. They're all, it's a fetish. It's a sexualization. They're not trying to live as actual women.

So if more women lived as women and stopped trying to be men, we'd all be better off. And that means that men have to be men as well. That means that men have to be protectors and we have to be there to provide for our women. What's more offensive? A trans, I don't even like using the terminology, it's a linguistic concession, I think. A fella who dresses up like a woman or blackface. What's more offensive. Yeah. If you had to pick, I don't really think blackface is offensive. I suppose it would depend on the context, but a man dressing up as woman is abhorrent. It is abhorrent and it's a mockery of women. Yeah, it is. And so when this woman asks this question, how do we stand up? I think they need men to stand up like they really need us to.

I mean, masculinity is strength on behalf of others. If we see a man dressed as a woman, we should have something to say about that. Whether we give them a look or we tell them to stop it and man up, we should. Yeah, stand up and be men. I think what's difficult about that is if I see a man dressed up like a woman, I assume his. Yeah, I'm going to get banned for saying this, but I assume he's mentally ill. Yeah. But then he needs to. It's hard to it's hard to it's hard to know how to correct someone

who you assume might be erratic. Yeah. But fair enough. Aaron Gianna says, How do I love my sister well from a distance? She experiences same sex attraction and wants nothing to do with most of our siblings. I want to keep my heart softened toward her." That is challenging. That's very hard. I'm often reminded of this TikTok video that I saw on Twitter, not on TikTok because I don't use it and please don't use TikTok. It's evil. But there was this video where a girl was crying because she wanted to live as a boy and her grandmother sent her this lovely, lovely letter saying, you are my dearest

darling granddaughter. I will always love you. I've always got a place for you. You're always welcome here, but I will not call you a boy. I will not call you my grandson. You are my granddaughter. That's how you're born. That's how God made you. And that's why I love you. And the, the, the, the young girl was crying her eyes out, distraught thinking it was hate. But I think at some point she will recognize that truth and recognize that it was sent in love. And I think that's all we could do. We can never, we can't bridge the gap instantly, but we've got to be there in truth and love. Yeah. We just got to say the truth as kindly as we can. And then however it's received, it's going to be received.

Pray on it as well. And then hopefully one day she'll be able to look back and go, thank God this is the only person who didn't lie to me. Yeah. What else did she believe? Hopefully sooner than later because once people are affirmed and they make these life altering decisions, there's no going back sometimes. Yeah.

Yeah. Life altering decisions. There's no going back sometimes. Yeah, yeah. How does Riverbank Angle asks, how does a fatherless man learn to be a good father? I know people often say to look to the saints and to our heavenly father, but if that's all that were necessary, why do children need earthly human fathers at all? No, it's difficult. Of course it is.

We need a positive male role model in our lives, just as we need a positive female role model. And that goes for both boys and girls. Boys need a man in their life to show them how to be a man. Girls need a man in their life to show them what to look for in a man. And without it, it's difficult, which is why the Marxists have been breaking down the family unit and saying, you actually don't need a father. And this is why we have such swathes of fatherlessness. And as a direct result, we're seeing more crime, more loneliness and kids that have a family that breaks down before the children reach 18 or twice, well at least

in England, are twice as likely to end up in prison, twice as likely to fail in school and twice as likely to end up homeless. We need men to be fathers. And again, it comes back down to contraception because if men can go sleeping around without any consequences, they see that as their given for them. You know, sex is something that they can take rather than it being the foundation of a loving married relationship. So if people were married before they had sex, then we wouldn't, we'd have less fatherlessness. And his question was, how do I become a father? And if it was just enough to look to the saints,

then why do we need fathers at all? And I would say, well, there are other reasons men need a father than merely to teach them how to be a father. It's to provide for them, to care for them, to defend them. And I know many people who've said to themselves, that won't happen. It stops here. Like in the name of Jesus, I renounce the lie that I have to go down the same dead end path that my ancestors have gone on. Things are going to stop here by the grace of God.

And I'm not going to divorce my wife and I am going to be faithful to my children. And, and, uh, that was a good message. Yeah. Um, how did you, uh, Oh, what's this? This is interesting. I struggle with accepting my race over the years. I have read many studies concerning racial IQ and temperament and they all leave me feeling despair. I try to live my life as an individual, but every time I see a headline about some criminal activity, the people committing the crime look like me, my ethnicity and my sex. I believe God loves me as I am, but I struggle

with loving myself because of this. What an honest question. God bless you. How can I be free of this despair? I'd say come to the conclusion that race doesn't matter. The reason I said that blackface, I don't find it offensive, but I do find it offensive. A man being a woman dressing as a woman is because to be a woman is to be, is different to being a man. I don't think me having brown skin makes me any different to you. I don't think it affects my personality, my faith, my politics, my character. I don't think it affects anything about me other than it's a physical characteristic. Right. Right. So of course, if someone, as you said, it's the context that matters. If somebody was wearing blackface to mock black people, that's obviously a shameful, sinful thing that both of us would condemn. Exactly.

But you're right that race doesn't matter. These things that you're seeing, you are not doomed to engage in whatever it is you're seeing. No, because yeah. And if we read the Bible, we don't see black and white race was seen very differently in those times. It is a very modern construct, probably to do with the slave trade, but it's something we need to get past. It's not our identity. Yeah.

Yeah. It is interesting that we keep getting grouped, keep getting put into groups. Yeah. It's easy to control a group, isn't it? Oh yeah. Yeah. It is interesting. It's almost like the powers that be would prefer us just to stay in our house or to grub hub or Uber eats. Well, we've got porn and just rot. Have you seen our 15 minute cities in the UK? I've heard of it. Tell me. Yeah. It started in Oxford. Um, I have very little sympathy for them because I was out there campaigning in Oxford saying if you vote for these parties, they're going to put these 15 minute cities in place. And

they, guess what happened? They voted for these parties and now they've got these 15 minute cities in place. But it means that you can't leave your zone. Like you can't drive to the other end of town. You are supposed to live within your 15 minute city. But the way the governments or the local governments have gone around this is they haven't started out by making sure there's a bakery and a butchers and a post office within, they haven't given you the amenities and the resources you need.

They've put the CCTV cameras in so you can find you for leaving your city. They've done it. They authoritarially- What is happening? This is happening? Yes. Why am I surprised?

It's essentially a climate lockdown is what it is. Because they're saying it's too bad for the environment for people to be driving around the city. God. See, now I was I was in Istanbul recently, and after being in that kind of traffic, I can see an argument for why there's just we're just only going to have taxis and buses in the city. That is good, though. I see that. Thursday, we're talking about people on our side, conservatives see we're so pro-car, but actually it's not that good to be pro-car. Right. No.

So I can see the argument for why, you know what? We're not going to have just these cars in city centers, but to say that you cannot leave your right. Wow. To enforce it with the Nanny state is a problem. The idea of having everything you would need to survive within 15 minutes so that there's a beautiful, that's what we're trying to do here. Yeah.

That's literally what we're trying to do. Yeah. Yeah. Again, we were talking about this on the way here that if we supported our local shops, our local businesses, we'd fix the GDP and would actually improve our area. We've got to stop spending money on these multinational corporations, this globalist entities that actually aren't there for our greater good. Um, what is your opinion on the sort of media we consume? You know, I think we're going to be a lot better about not about refusing to watch things that promote false things like a man called Otto. Is that what it's called? A man named Otto or something with Tom Hanks just came out. Feel free to look it up so I get the right thing. But but my wife had begun it on the plane yesterday.

We're home. She'll come come watch it. My, oh, all right, sure. And it was a charming little movie for what it was. And then of course, here comes the trans character and it's also emotionally manipulative. Look at the poor victim and how could you possibly, and yeah, we've got to be very careful with that. And one of the pieces of advice I'd give us someone on the television is just turn off your television. Just stop watching television. It's not good for you. If you're going to watch it, watch GB news, but yeah, no, he is constant manipulation

and people aren't on our side. They're not on the side of good. So there's no point. And you don't get anything from it. Even Twitter. Like I use Twitter for work, but I don't recommend my friends and my loved ones use it because it's a toxic, nasty place. And actually if you avoid it, all the stuff that's going on there, it doesn't affect your life. How has Twitter changed since Musk took over? I deleted my Twitter account about a month before he took over. Well, it's better. It's better as in it does feel more like a free speech environment and the left hates that because of course we can promote all our hate speech now. Right.

Which is all we ever wanted to do. That's all we wake up every morning and want to do. Who can I hate today? That's right. Who's different to me? Yeah. But of course it's because they don't have an argument. And they know that we can break down their arguments if we're allowed to debate,

which is why they don't want us to debate. Did the news of the overturning of Roe versus Wade make it to England? Celebration or? I mean, not among the left, but I was celebrating. You guys made a good choice there. I don't know if it was specifically for good reasons, but I think, you know, moving it down to a state level makes sense. Yeah. What's the abortion laws in England like?

More liberal than they've been in a long time. We've had 10 million abortions in the UK since the Act of Parliament went in, which was it 30 years, 25 years ago? Far too many. Ten million deaths. Talk about the left sacrament. It is. It is. And in Northern Ireland, they're the most liberal abortion laws in all of Europe. And this used to be a Catholic area. It's really sad to see what's going on.

It's a debate I'm trying to engage in more and more. But of course it's always, yeah, my body, my choice. It's like, well, it's not true. It is your choice, but is it a choice you want to make between killing your baby and not killing your baby? Surely the choice to be made is whether to have sex or not. Because there are consequences to having sex one of Them is you might be blessed with a child

And my zero gk chested and comment on birth control that birth control includes neither birth nor control. Yeah That is a good point. Yeah good. What do you have planned? What's going on? Just um Well, I've got my shows planned for this weekend Just, uh, well, I've got my show to plan for this weekend. Um, and then Sunday I've got church and then after that we've got convocation. So I'll be with all the people in my denomination praying together and working out how we're going to do mission and evangelism for next year. And after that, I have no idea. I'm very much in the immediate future. Did things seem to explode after that talk you gave at Oxford? Like did you, did you, did your platform and you kind of take off? I mean, you certainly got a lot more recognition,

I imagine after that. Yeah, it's, it's, I think it's difficult to tell. Um, cause I've been doing what I've been doing for so long now. I'm so in it. I don't realize how much of an impact it makes or doesn't make outside. Uh, one of the ways I've been able to see a difference here is that a lot more black people are stopping me now because I've engaged in the BLM debate and stuff like that for so long. I didn't really have that demographic, but now a lot of mostly black Christians are stopping me in the streets to say, you know, thank you for the things you were saying at Oxford. So more Christians are stopping me, which is great. What's your argument against BLM in general, I mean, it's first of all, it's Marxism trying to undermine our way of life.

But secondly, it comes back to our mutable characteristics do not define us. And that's they want to put us in these boxes to get our votes and to manipulate us and control us. And also, it's just Americanisation. It was a big movement over here because some some criminal over here died. I don't know why we brought it over to the UK. It doesn't affect us in any way. It's a nonsense. And, you know, we don't have like major issues with our police forces. We don't even have most of our policemen don't have guns. So

it doesn't make any sense. Uh, there's a politicization of interesting then that you say that you're primarily getting stopped by black people to thank you for this now, but not when I was talking about BLM. Okay. So because of the Oxford debate, I see. Right. But when I was talking about BLM, a lot, a of the Oxford debates. I see. Right, but when I was talking about BLM, a lot of the black community, and I use that word loosely because I don't think there is a black community, but a lot of black people in the UK

have adopted American thinking because there is a black culture in America, whether it's hip hop culture or whatever, there's, you know, because of the way that America has come to be, there was segregation. And so there has been a community that's developed. We didn't have that in the UK. So my parents' parents, my father's parents,

came over from Jamaica in Windrush, 1950s, and integrated into the UK society. And at that time, most people who came over did integrate and just became British. So we have people who are British that happen to be black, people who are British that happen to be white. And that's the way that things have been up until recently with BLM and the black community, so to speak, want to have their own identity and they've adopted the American identity. Even have people wearing their stupid trousers down their backsides

and stuff and using hip hop slang. It's like, what are you doing? We're not, we're not them. We don't have their history. We have a better history in terms of race relations. So I don't, I don't know why it's very, very sad. It's dividing us. I've experienced more racism since BLM than I have in the entirety of my adult life. And this is mostly from the left who are saying, you're not acting black or you're not speaking on behalf of black people.

You know, I spoke out against Megan Markle and someone said, she's one of your own. You should be defending her. I'm like, excuse me. What does it mean to be one of my own? I don't like what she does or says. Therefore, I'm going to speak out against it. The colour of her skin shouldn't mean that I should defend her. That's racist. Well, that's what I say to that. Well, not a lot. Cause I would think that like, uh, yeah, it really is. It's just politics, isn't it? It's all it is. It's like, cause I think so long as they think they're on the right side, meaning on the woke side, then they can just castigate you. Yeah. Yeah. You're fair game. Yeah. And up until recently, my

profile has only only brought me good people in real life. So the trolls are always online cause they're cowards and they're scared and they'll say nasty things over the keyboard cause they're internet warriors. But in real life, it's mostly been people that are either encouraged or supported by what I've had to say up until recently that has started to change. Like I had someone ride past me on a cycle the other day and swear at me. But again, they're cowardly. They will never stop another conversation. But again, they think I'm fair game because I'm not, I don't believe what they believe. Therefore I must be bad. I must be wrong because they're morally superior

as a social justice warriors. It's pathetic. Isn't that interesting? I like that. The cowardly won't have a conversation. And that's kind of what we mean by this. Um, in people being against free speech, it's against a conversation. It is. And it's always the same things from the left. The one that really, really gets me is the grifter. So this is what the guy's effing grifter or something as a repulsed. Do you realize how difficult my life is because I speak the truth? If I was a grifter, I would say, I would get up there and say, I am oppressed. I'm a victim because of the color of my skin. These white people are holding me back. I

would have so many more opportunities. I'd be on BBC, travel, ITV. I'd be getting paid a lot of money. Especially now if you converted. Right, exactly. Ah, you haven't made. That's the grift. Like this is not fun. You know? But it's just narrow thinking. Do me a favour, if any chats come in, let us know Thursday. I don't want to miss out on these poor people.

I can read some of the names, but a, um, what a lot of them aren't questions and you don't leave till tomorrow. What are you going to do? I want to go and look around stupid Ville. I want to see the campus. I want to see the stations of the cross. I did tell him, uh, I want to pick up a rosary. I did tell him we would take him to the chapel in Pittsburgh with all the relics.

Yes. Oh, okay. The largest collection of relics outside the Vatican is in Pittsburgh. Yeah. That's quite significant. You do that. I want to ask you a question if that's right. Yeah. About Catholicism right now in the 21st century. What do you think is happening? I think, oh, what do I think? And what do I know? Different things. I'll give you the premise for my question. I can, I can, yeah. Well, sure. So the worst mass I've ever witnessed was in St. Peter's Basilica. Yeah. Right. I can, yeah, well sure. So the worst massive ever witnessed was in St. Peter's Basilica.

Yeah. Right. I mean, I go to Rome quite a bit. I'm like, I'm in the heart of Catholicism. This should be a special experience. Right. It's some priest like, blood of Christ, body of Christ, hands all over the place, slap dash, no reverence.

You know, I mean, the Nova Sordo can be beautiful. Yeah. It's not a har-p-hor-ant. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, even those who call it out. I don't where I don't. Again, this comes to a point where it's like you look at the fruits and you know that there's got to be faithless godless people in the hierarchy. Sodomites people having affairs like that not affairs committing adultery like that has to be the case. Look at this. And yet, since I don't know the details of specific things, I mean,

you hear things, but you also don't want to like call people's reputations into question on hearsay. That's what I meant earlier when I said this line between prudence and just epistemic humility and courage, because it's like, you know, it's like, there's a fellow called Michael Vorus who runs a show called church militant. And, um, I know Michael and actually like him a great deal. I don't know if you ever heard of him. I've been on church militant. Okay. Yeah. I like him a great deal. Michael actually is somebody in the Catholic church. We use this phrase of, um, forgive me. I'm not meaning that as an insult. When I say that

you understand you say Catholic, I convert it. It's like when I say trans man, yeah. So he has same sex attraction. That's the kind of language we would use. Yeah. Because it's like, no, you're not gay. You're actually not like you're a son of God. It was deeply loved by him and you have same sex attraction. Um, and you're no different to us. That's why I like that language. Right? So he's somebody who has-sex attraction. And you're no different to us. That's why I like that language, right? So he's somebody who has same-sex attraction. And so he lives a celibate life.

How much respect do you have for someone like that? Must be. What was interesting is a while ago, someone tried to call him out, a leftist, I think, you know, interestingly enough. And so he had to go online. I'm sorry I didn't think that my personal inclinations and my previous sins would come to bear, but here we are. So I have a lot of respect for him. That said, I wouldn't think that my personal inclinations and my previous sins would come to bear, but here we are.

So I have a lot of respect for him. That said, I wouldn't recommend anyone consume that kind of content daily. I think he'd go nuts. I don't even know if he'd recommend that, that kind of ecclesial politics. Point is this, you know, just because I hear him calling somebody out and saying certain things,

I'm still sitting here going, all right, like, okay, so I know that you're saying that, but I don't know. So I'm unwilling to here going, all right, like, okay, so I know that you're saying that, but I don't know. So I'm unwilling to call particular people out because I feel like I haven't got the kind of evidence. But is it the people or is that movement? So because the, one of the arguments I have against more Protestant people in my denomination is that the faith should be transcendental. It should take us out of ourselves and direct us towards God to do that. It needs to be true. It needs to be beautiful and it needs to be good.

So I don't have time for Puritans who want to remove beauty from the church because that's evil actually. However, I look at the spirit of Vatican too and the documents are fantastic. The literature is sound. I do read a lot of that stuff, but I look at the spirit and I see it's removing beauty. Even the vestments, just ugly. It's anti-Christian, it's anti-Catholic. And I hear stories, I remember chatting with this fella at a men's conference in Kansas,

and he lived through the kind of revolution or the spirit of Vatican too. And I agree with you, I think the documents are beautiful, I think whatever ambiguities have been explained, but this spirit of like chasing after the world and apologizing and bending over backwards. Let's get rid of that. Now it's not working. It's not, not that it's not working. It's just not what Christ has called us to do. You know, he's called us to proclaim the truth and to invite repentance. All right. But he told me that when he was living through the,

I think sixties ors, that the teachers brought out statues and destroyed them with sledgehammers. They brought out beautiful Catholic statues and destroyed them. Yeah. And when he said that, I thought that's not true. Like my naivety, right? I'm like, okay, that's whatever. I don't know who you are.

Maybe you're not. And he called over a friend who was in his same grade as a kid and went, yeah, no, that's what happened. So like, how do you say that's not demonic? So I was thinking the same. So I think a Catholic can both say, Roman, I say Roman, but I'm a Greek Catholic. So this is why.

No, that's fine. Can say, yes, church was founded by Christ. It's guided by the Holy Spirit. And yet clearly the devil is at work in the church. Well, I mean, he's bound to Christ, it's guided by the Holy Spirit, and yet clearly the devil is at work in the church. Well, I mean, he's bound to be, isn't it? Wheat and tears. I mean, that's the, that's the, and it's that tension.

I think we don't like dealing with, isn't it? Like we would all like a very pure, pristine church where everybody's courageous, but we haven't been promised that. And what we've been promised is the great apostasy. And as Ralph Martin has pointed out to me, and is the case, apostasy isn't something non-believers do. Apostasy is something that believers do. So what we should be experiencing as we run down here before the second coming is a church that is shrinking because that's the trajectory that our Lord seemed to

promise us, not this faithful church. He said, when I come back, will there be faith on the earth? Yeah. So what do we do? I want to be a faithful son. I don't want to be critical for the sake of being critical. I don't want to jump on the bandwagon of someone's interpretation of what Pope Francis did or said. I want to be respectful to my father in the faith. But I also want to point out what seems to me to be obvious errors

when they occur. Did that answer your question? That was a really long winded answer. I think it's worth pointing out. You said the church is shrinking. The church is shrinking in the West, in the East, in Africa, in Asia. It's growing. It's thriving where it's persecuted. It's funny you say that. It's funny. Yeah. Yeah. It's funny. You say that I was just, I was just recently with a friend in Pittsburgh and he said he went to daily mass and he was thrilled when he saw like this black African priest because

he just assumed, okay, this guy's probably orthodox, you know, not someone who's like, call me Frank. Yeah. No, no, but yes, that's good to see. But what do we do? I mean, here's the obvious answer. Like, I don't know what else to do, except when I wake up, I don't want to turn to my phone. I want to turn to Jesus Christ and I want to thank him for who he is. I want to thank you for making me for my mission. I

want to step and I say this not to like I'm bragging or something because I fail at it, but I'm saying it because I think all of us ought to do this. Like, what has the Lord placed in our authority? Yeah. He's given me a wife and He's given me children to love and to serve. That's my duty. And I screw up when I become more interested in ecclesial politics than what's in front of me. Yeah. So I really want to do that. I want to pray. I want to be faithful. We have enough to become saints. We have the scriptures. We have the lives of the saints. We can't, we can't go to heaven and say, we can't get to those gates, you know, and say, well, listen, it's because

I had, I had bad leaders. It's like, no, we will be held to account. Won't we? Do you agree? When we get to the gates, we can't say, did Jesus really say? Did Jesus really? But he said, don't judge. Yeah. Yeah. I hope that the Lord, I hope that the Lord has mercy on us during this time, especially those of us who are trying, like if we, if we lived in a, within a parish that spoke

the truth, such that we knew what was true and what wasn't. That's one thing, but just this blending of different faiths and cultures and falsities. It's hard to know sometimes. But that's what we're called to, isn't it? I often think when I was training, I often thought it would be nice to have been born a hundred years earlier. I'd have a lovely little English parish right around on my, on my bicycle with my cassock, go and see all my parishioners. Everyone would turn up to church because that's what they did. Faithful. It'd be wonderful. But I'm not called to that. I'm called to be in the here and now.

It's maybe bring some of that into here and now. And that's the challenge that we're all up against. And we're getting dangerously close to that line from Gandalf to Frodo, right? It's not for them to ask, you know, why do we live to see such a time? What is, uh, I am butchering this, but it's up to them to live to, to, to, oh gosh, I've screwed it up. I thought, yeah, find the Google, but that's it. That is it. What to do with the time allotted to us. Yeah, that's it. That's an exciting time to be a Christian. It is. Yeah.

I'm sorry, but Thursday's not good at Googling, so we'll just... Ooh. Wow. It's taken far too long. It's like a... It's like a... It should be like the top.

And so all we have to do to see such times, but it's not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the times given to us. Well done. Yeah. It's actually like a running joke how good I am at Googling. We had a guest on a couple of months ago who said, like, I won't give enough information.

He was talking about his first literary agent, how bad he was. And he said, I won't give enough information for anybody to find it. And then as soon as I killed the stream, I said the name of the agent to it. Love it. We had as soon as I killed the stream, I said the name of the agent to it. Love it. We had a super chat here. Laz Maksuga, thank you.

Sorry, Lisa Maksuga who says, I have so much love for Reverend Calvin Robinson. What a blessing to have his voice elevated. I needed to hear people talk the way he does. He inspires me to stop being a coward and unapologetically speak truth when I'm given an opportunity. I love that. That means I've done my job today. What a gift,'m given an opportunity. I love that.

That means I've done my job today. What a gift. Thank you for that. Yeah, that's what that's what truth does, isn't it? It spreads like a virus just like lies. Exactly. We need to make it better to spread truth than it is to spread lies. We've got to shift the consequences.

Yeah. All right, friends, anything else you want to get to before we wrap up or say or promote or I'm not very good at all that promotion stuff, but we've plugged the show so people can watch that. If you go to calvinrobbinson.com, all my links are there. I've got my Twitter, my Facebook, whatever. I don't link to them directly just because I'll get banned one day, but they're all on there. Do you want to say a decade of the rosary together? Yeah, that'd be good. We'll say it for those watching that and for us to that we would have the courage to love Christ and yeah All right. So let's see. What's today?

Thursday to the first joyful mystery the annunciation in the name of the Father Son and Holy Spirit. Amen Amen Our Father who art in heaven. Hallowed be thy name like kingdom come thy will be down on earth as it is in heaven Give us this day our daily bread and forgive us our trespasses as we forgive them that trespass against us lead us not into temptation But deliver us from evil hail Mary full of grace the Lord is with thee blessed art thou among women and blessed is the fruit of thy Womb Jesus holy Mary mother of God pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death Amen hail Mary full of grace the Lord is with thee blessed art thou among women and blessed at the hour of our death. Amen. Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou among women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus.

Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death. Amen. Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou among women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death. Amen. Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou among women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death. Amen. Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee.

Blessed art thou among women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death. Amen. Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou among women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, mother of God, pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death. Amen. Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou among women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, mother of God, pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death. Amen.

Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou among women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb Jesus. Holy Mary mother of God pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death. Amen. Hail Mary full of grace the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou among women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb Jesus. Holy Mary mother of God pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death. Amen. Hail Mary full of grace the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou among women and blessed is hour of our death. Amen. Hail Mary, full of grace. The Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou among women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, mother of God, pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death. Amen. May your glory be to the Father and to the Son and to the Holy Spirit as it was in the beginning, is now and ever shall be, well

with our tenderd. Amen. My Jesus, forgive us sin, save us from the fires of hell, little souls to heaven, especially those who need it by mercy. Amen. Thank you very much. It's very kind of you to take the time to fly all the way from England to be here. It's been an absolute pleasure. Yeah. Yeah. Thanks for what you're doing. It's great to see actually, I want to have a look around obviously, but it's great to see a community that is founded in the faith that's explicitly Catholic. I think that's wonderful. We need more of that. We don't really have anything like that in the UK. A scapula is a thing in your kind of... Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because I've seen more scapulas in Steubenville than...

In terms of practice of the faith, I don't think we'd find anything... I would have to go down the candle to become a Roman Catholic. I was surprised to hear you say that, oh my Jesus, Bray. I was actually planning on not saying it because I didn't think you would know it it just goes to show how much we have in Common and theologically we'd have some discrepancy, but yeah, we'd have the same yeah worship Praise God when a maniac is at the door feuding brothers reconcile. God bless everybody. Thank you Thursday. You're welcome