Pints With Aquinas - Transgenderism is the Fruit of Sexual Revolution w/ Dr. Jennifer Morse

Episode Date: June 10, 2022

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It's been a long time since we've seen each other face to face. It has indeed. I just realized this recently because I was looking at your last name. I think I say Dr. Morris because I hear you say Dr. Morris or others say it, but I don't think as an Australian I would pronounce pronounce it Morris. It's Morris. Dr. Morris is what I say. Yeah. More sounds strange because I've always heard it said Morris Morris Morris like Morris code. Yeah, not Morris. I'm going to say Dr. Morris. Is it Dr. Morris is good. It's like Savannah. You know, you Americans say Savannah, Savannah. I don't know how to say that as an Australian.

I guess I think honestly, I think if it was a town in Australia, people would call it Savana, I think, because we don't have that long A on this, the second one like Savannah. So I'm like, is it Savannah? Is it Savannah? These things don't matter. Tomato, tomato, Morse, like Morse code.

Lovely. Something like that, put that in your mind. Rhymes with horse. I sometimes have to tell people that too. Well, it is an honor to have you on the show. I've really admired your work for a while and I know the last time we met and chatted I was just so edified by our conversation. I'm so grateful to have you on the show to bring your wisdom and insight and education and studies into this topic. Who are you for those who are watching who may not know?

Oh, okay. Well, I'm Dr. Jennifer Roback-Morris. I'm founder and president of the Ruth Institute. I started the Ruth Institute in 2008, and when I founded it, I thought that what I was going to do is to talk to young women about why it would be okay for them to start their families and not worry about getting established in their careers and all of that, so that you could start your family sometime before menopause and that that would be okay. That's what I thought I was gonna do. But in 2008 in San Diego, as you may remember, something big exploded on the scene,

literally right when I started the Ruth Institute, and that was Proposition 8, which was the California Ballot Initiative that amended the California Constitution to say marriage is a union of one man and one woman. By that time I had written two books and had done a lot of research on why children need their parents and why therefore we need to be in favor of lifelong married love and I had always assumed man and woman at that point when I was writing about that but I

could see that if you redefine marriage you would end up redefining parenthood and so therefore I didn't really want to deal with gay stuff, but I didn't feel I could sit it out. You know, I really felt I had to get involved with that based on all the knowledge that I already had and whatnot. So I got involved in that. I was associated with the National Organization for Marriage for a few years, and that put me on the radar as somebody who's anti-gay. And so, well, that's where we are ever since. And that's all taken me into dealing with the whole of the sexual revolution and not just with college-educated women trying to figure out what to do with themselves, which is a part of the whole problem of the sexual revolution

But you know my scope now is It's taken on a life of its own. Let's put it that way Matt So what sort of work do you do now given that so-called gay marriage is legal in the United States? Transgender isms off to the races Transgender ism is a direct result of gay marriage You know I mean if you hadn't redefined marriage already, if you hadn't got the social and legal things in place to allow that, I don't think transgenderism would have the

same steam. Why is that? Well, you know, it's not one of these things where it's a direct line, you know, from one to the other. But honestly, gay marriage, in my opinion, gay marriage was never really about gay people. It was never really about marriage. What it was really about, which you only figure out after the fact, kind of, you know, what it was really about is promoting the major tenets of

the sexual revolution, one of which is that the sex of the body is irrelevant and it's irrelevant even for things as basic as childbearing and marriage, right? That's what gay marriage established that. You know, that we could de-gender the institution of marriage. Well, once you've de-gendered the institution of marriage, there's not much left really that's got to be gendered, right? And so that released the floodgates, you could say, and all of the infrastructure that the sexual revolutionaries had built up in order to defend gay marriage, in order to promote that, all of that infrastructure, all of that money, all of those relationships,

all of the establishment within the media, all of that artillery just was rotated a few degrees boom onto the transgender question. And that's what we're dealing with. So it's sort of greased the pole as it were. And now we're just sliding into hell. No question about it. Yeah. As I laugh about that. But yeah. Well, you have to laugh once in a while, Matt, or you lose it.

Yeah. I mean, at the Ruth Institute on our Facebook page, we have a joke every afternoon. We call it laugh in the afternoon. And the reason we do that is because a lot of the things we deal with are very dark and very upsetting and exhausting and we recognize that we're in this for the long haul and we don't want people running crying from the room. It felt like there was a time in which we thought we could win the culture. I don't think we can.

I think it's going to die and I think another thing will be reborn in its place. Right. Maybe I'm wrong. I am actually quite an optimistic person and I feel like the transgender thing may eat its own head, especially with that excellent documentary that just came out with Matt Walsh, showing the absolute insanity of it. By the way, when we're banned from YouTube, you can go and follow us on Rumble and Locals.

But this is the secular dogma that you may not speak against. That's secular. Heretics will be banned. That's right. Sent to Siberia. Yeah. The virtual equivalent. And I remember the virtual equivalent of Siberia. So wait a minute, wait a minute. There were you've said like three things now, and I want to react to all of them. And I forget what the first one was.

Well, it feels like the cultures. It felt like there was a point in which we thought we can win this. You've said like three things now and I want to react to all of them and I forget what the first one was. Well, it feels like the cultures... it felt like there was a point in which we thought we can win this. Yes. And we tried with the Proposition 8 thing and California wouldn't let us win. And we did win. Explain what happened to those who are unaware of that. Yeah, that's a very important point. Okay, so just to set the stage, in 2008 the voters of California voted in favor of man woman

marriage. Okay. Just let that sink in. Okay. In 2008. Oh, I can't do that. Hello. We hear you loud and clear. Okay. I start talking with my hands. I'm going to disrupt it. But California voters voted in favor of man woman marriage. And there's some interesting sub texts to that as to how that happened. But the fact is, the ruling class would not permit us to win. And at that point, here's the thing that I've learned since 2008 that I didn't know, that I now know very clearly. And that is that there is such a thing as the global ruling class. And the global ruling class loves the sexual revolution. In fact, they're the authors of the whole thing, right?

I mean, they invented it, they created it, they promoted it. That's what I talk about in the sexual state. The theme of the sexual state is it didn't just sweep in, you know, it's not a cultural change like there's no human agency. See, we gotta stop using that language. Cultural change? As if it were.

I see, inevitable. As if it were inevitable. The march of history. No, no. These people promote it, they like it, they want it, and so when the voters told them we want man-woman marriage, they said, the heck you say, you know, and they refused to defend it in court, which was their legal obligation, right? You know, court challenges immediately came in, financed by Hollywood guys. Okay, Rob Reiner financed the first series of legal challenges against Proposition 8. When it was challenged, the Attorney General of the State of California

refused to defend it, which is their legal responsibility to defend the laws of the state. It was a duly enacted law of the state. They should have defended it. So there it was sitting, enacted by the voters. Nobody claimed there was anything wrong with the election. There was no claim of election fraud like there has been lately, right? They just, you know, we don't like it. We're not going to defend it. And even the Supreme Court of California said that that was wrong. Okay, the Supreme Court of California said that that was wrong. The Supreme Court of California basically sided with us, and here was the issue, this is the legal issue, it's a little bit in the weeds, but it's germane, I think. The people who were opposed to Prop 8 wanted to say that the campaign, the Prop 8 campaign, did not have standing

to defend the thing in court. And if they had succeeded in that, that would mean no one could defend it in court. There was nobody else because the person whose job it was was refusing to do it, right? State, the attorney general. And so that was litigated, you know, that went to the California Supreme Court. Under California law, do they have standing to be here in court and say, we want to defend the thing? Even the California Supreme Court, which was 100% all in for gay marriage, they saw that that was crazy. That that would be the end of ballot initiatives. That would be the end of it. Because if you're trying to do something that the state doesn't want you to do, and then, you know, one of their

little buddies puts up a phony lawsuit or something, you'll lose by default. So it would completely disrupt the whole initiative process, which was at one time the crown jewel of the progressive theory of self-government and so on. You know, you look at the turn of the 19th century into the 20th century, the progressives were very proud of the fact, you know, that they had put things into place so that voters could come forward and, you know, fight the ruling class, you know, kind of thing. And I was literally in the courtroom when this was, when the oral arguments took place. And the members of that of that

court, the California Supreme Court, they were, you could you could feel it, they were disgusted. They were disgusted with the people on their own sides, you know, normally, right? Because the Supreme Court of California had already said that the California Constitution required gay marriage. That's what we were trying to amend. So you knew what they wanted as an outcome, but they saw that as a procedural thing, this would be a disaster, you know. So that was part, that's part of the story. And it was incidents like that, that showed me that there is such a thing as a ruling class, right? And the

California Supreme Court said we had standing, and so therefore we continued to litigate and so on, and then we took it, it ended up at the Supreme Court, and as you know, the Supreme Court, basically on a technicality, allowed prop aid to be overturned. So, and I remember seeing the arguments they were using were so vapid, and so beside the point

of the things that I thought needed to be discussed. And it just became clear to me that there is a ruling class and they want certain outcomes and they will use their power to get what they want. The California Supreme Court in this particular instance being an exception to that general rule, it was too much even for them, what was being asked of them. So that's what we didn't know. In 2008, we still thought we had a functioning representative government. We still thought that it was possible for people to be involved in a way that is now,

we're now all kind of looking around trying to figure out, well, what are we allowed to do? You know, what does make a difference? How can we, you know, actually push back in an effective manner? You know, that's all, you know, in the years since Prop 8, you know, that's all been thrown into question on a number of levels, not just on the sexual stuff, obviously. So today, do we have a functioning representative government? I don't think so.

I mean, minimally, minimally, we have the forms of it. We have the appearances of it. Yeah, you could call it the vestiges. But there are so many places where that system has become corrupted that it's very difficult to say there's a kind of a clean line between what the voters want and what the system delivers. When you say there's a ruling class, what does that mean? Because you'll be accused, I'm sure you have been, of conspiracy theories. Is it a group? Is someone leading it? Well, see, I don't know. See, this is the problem. We don't really know who's in charge of all of these things. I think after COVID, a lot of people are very

suspicious of a lot of the people in charge of things, you know, the World Health Organization, and you know, our public health establishment. Yeah, I am. You know, people who wouldn't have been before, you know, are concerned about that. As somebody who's been involved in pro-life and pro-family things for a long time. I wasn't surprised by a single thing they did because these people have been lying to us about the effects of abortion, the effects of contraception. They've been lying to us about this for a long time. Mason Hickman The effects of divorce on children, the health risks of anal sex and these things? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

You know, they have not been truthful on those issues for a long time. But, you know, to kind of see it so bold in some of the ways that it's now, you know, coming to fruition, the problem is that when things are being done in secret, by definition, you can't have all the facts. You know, we don't have all the facts. We don't have all the facts.

But we have enough circumstantial evidence to see that follow the science is a joke. Follow the science is a tool for shutting people up. Indeed. Indeed. And so I don't know who they all are, but I can recognize their works when we see them, right? When you see a statistic being changed, like the way it's defined. I mean, I have a couple in my book that I talk about that just drive me crazy, you know.

In the late 90s, for example, they stopped. Do you really want to go there? Yeah, okay, okay. So at one time, this is a little thing but it's indicative, at one time you could get domestic violence statistics that were broken down by marital status. So married couple, cohabiting couple, dating couple, you know, you know, so on and so forth, you could see it all broken down. And of course, when you looked at that, you saw that the safest place to be involved with someone was in marriage, right? Not even close, right? Well at some point they stopped collecting it by marital status, lumped

that all together as intimate partner violence. And so you're this clearly deceptive, you know, clearly deceptive. Who did that? I don't know who did that. You know, was just some... Is there some man at the top pulling the strings? I don't know. Probably not on something like that. Probably not. So, there's... there are enough things like that where you go, you know, there's a... there are a group of people who have an agenda. We could talk about that a little bit if you want, but there are a group of people who have an agenda. an agenda. We could talk about that a little bit if you want, but they're a group of people who have an agenda and they have enough power in their sphere of influence to push the system in a particular direction. And it's very hard for anybody to resist what they just did because

you can't even figure out what they just did. You know? Absolutely. What's difficult when you know someone's lying to you is that there are far more many options, you know, now, now on the table. So if you said something to me and I know it's false, then I think, well, what is the truth? Then there's a spectrum of things that might be true. Right. So the question is then, OK, well, if they're lying to us, where do I go to get what's actually happening? Right. I think this is why there's such a vast array

of conservative media with different opinions and theories, because we don't know what the truth is. Does that make sense? Yeah, absolutely. And in each different little area, it requires a lot of expertise to get to the truth. And so I can answer one of your questions right there. If you want to know reliable information about

sexual issues, you come to the Ruth Institute, because if we put it out there, it's because we've studied it. And so we have a whole variety of – some studies we've conducted ourselves, because I have a house sociologist working for me now, Father Paul Sullins, who's done extremely important and original work on a lot of these questions. And then we compile research that other people have done. And I interview experts. I have my own little video podcast, The Dr. J Show. And I'll interview people and get them on record about their research and that kind

of thing. Let's put a link to that, Neil, The Dr. J Show, and then the next people can subscribe to your channel. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But the point is, to support your original point, it, yeah. So, but it takes, but the point is to support your original point. It takes a lot to do that. Well, right. You don't want to shoot from the hip. You don't want to make stuff up. You know, you want to say, this is what we know. This is what we don't know. Uh, I know enough to know that what you just said wasn't true, but, but the big picture

of what actually is true. Wanting to have that epistemic humility to say I'm not necessarily sure because we all Crave certainty. Yes, we do And so we are likely if we think you're lying to jump on any bandwagon that accuses you of that lie No matter what that person says, right? The other thing I find interesting is just like the modern left mainstream media has made a meme out of racism When you start saying mathematics is racism, success is racism, homeschooling, I'm like, you've made a mockery of something

that's legitimately evil. Same thing with the several words you just said, research papers, experts, doctors. It's like, I don't even know what that means anymore. Right, right, right, right, that's right. So I'm not saying that we can't arrive at certain truths based on scientific studies, be they sociological or otherwise, but it's just to say we've so degraded those terms that when I come to someone who disagrees with me and say, look at the research,

it's a multiple choice. They have every right to say, yeah, right. Or maybe there's another research that debunks your research. Right, right, and when people create, I just call it junk science is the mean term for it, but advocacy research, right, and they put it out there in this and this headline goes all around the world. You look at it and you go that can't be correct, okay. The headlines gone all around the world. By the time you open up the paper, read the paper, figure out what was wrong with it, and then explain it, the damage is done. Right? I mean, the impression has been created. And that's a kind of work that I started doing, you know, way long ago. Prop 8, I was doing that all the time. People would, you know, I get an

email first thing in the morning, Dr. Morris, did you see this study? And I'm like, no, let me look. And so debunking research has been something that we've done for a while. And now with Father Sullen's on the staff, he's primo. He's really good. It does seem to me, I don't know what you wanna call

the left, the woke. I don't use the term left, but anyway. What term would you like to use? I just call them the sexual revolutionaries. Okay, it is interesting that most things revolve around that, isn't it? When we refer to the left and what's so insane about them, it's not that they're against insider trading or terrorism. They seem to be against Christianity.

Traditional Christian sexual morality, that's what they're against. I mean, that batch of people. But the reason I don't say left and right is because there are too many people associated with the right or hangers-on with the right who are just as problematic, in many ways just as problematic. So I think it's very... Or Trump for example, affirming transgenderism and... Pro-life but affirming transgenderism, you know. And if you look back historically, the people who created, the first president to have population as a policy, to have a population policy was Richard Nixon.

The first person to bring population issues and population control frankly, into government, into US foreign policy was Henry Kissinger. So they're not leftists. You can say what you like about them, but left doesn't do justice. I like that. So you say sexual revolutionaries.

That's who they are. That's who they are. And they're against us. They're against all of us who hold to traditional Judeo-Christian sexual morality. And as you know, I'm sure, that includes a wide swath of faith traditions, you know, who agree in whole or in part, you know, with what we would say now is the traditional

radical Catholic position. We're now, we're kind of the last guy standing holding that flag, but it's correct. The flag is correct, you know, the teaching is correct. And so that's what we have to put our emphasis on, is that we can know now, you know, a lot of this was revealed to us divinely, but also a lot of it is natural law and easily observable. Well, now we've been doing this bodacious social experiment for like 50 years. We can see the results. Okay, the results are not pretty at all, you know, and so now we can go through chapter and verse and go, well, that didn't work, that didn't work, that didn't work. I mean, what do you call work, right? You know, a million children

per year losing access to their parents through divorce. Is that a success? Does anybody really want to own that? You know? Will Barron They do, but they want to own it under a different guise. They want to say, the freedom to be happy and to live your best life and other bullcrap slogans. Yeah, that's right. That's right. And to heck with the people left behind.

You know, to heck with the human wreckage left behind. So now I think we can say categorically, Matt, that after all these experiments, you know, kind of one permutation after another, that traditional Christian sexual morality protects the interests of children better than any of the things on offer now. I think we can see that now, but it's hard for people to connect the dots. And I would say that's what I'm in business to do. That's what the Ruth Institute does. That's what I try to connect those dots every chance we get. And you know, we put out a press release. I try to always make sure, you know, we're objecting to something. Usually

we're saying, oh that's really stupid. But at the same time we try to use that as an opportunity to state, here's what we think. You know, children deserve their parents. Children need their parents. Children have a right to their parents. This thing that's just going on over here disrupts that. And you can't possibly not know that. So you've got to cut that out. It's unfortunate that revolutionary has a positive connotation in this society. Maybe the sexual deviance or something more pejorative. Oh, oh, yes. I guess that's right.

I guess revolution. But then what's difficult is you've got some sexual deviance like Dave Rubin, who lives in a sodomitic relationship, who I love. He's a friend of mine. Is that so? Yeah. And he's also, you know, he just did IVF. That's that's abominable.

Surrogacy. Yeah, it's awful. Yeah, we wrote about that. But I love the man and not just do I love the man. I also think he has a lot of interesting and helpful things to say that pushes back against the sexual degradation in our culture. So it's it's it would be lovely if we had the good people on one side and the bad people on the other. But we're all sort of broken.

Many of us have false beliefs about sexuality. So how do we how do we navigate that? Because you want to find allies where you can find out. Getting no kidding. You know, I try not to irritate people gratuitously. But but I think it's important to. I love you, Dave, in case you just heard me call you a sexual deviant. I do love you.

But one of the things he's for, right, is free speech. He would hear something like that and say, OK, maybe maybe I'm offended. I'm not. But I'd fight for your right to say that so we can get on board. I hope he would still say that, you know, I hope we don't get to the point. Yeah, he would. But that has a way of deteriorating, you know, the abstract, the abstract defense of free speech has a way of yes, of getting worn down when something that you really care about is at risk somehow. But anyway, what was I going to say?

Mason Hickman Nuance. How do we navigate? How do we find allies and at the same time push back against the things they hold to be true? CWO I think one thing that is important to me at least is that we come back to first principles wherever we can. And I think there are some people willing to rethink their first principles, the feminists, the people who are committed to feminists, feminism, who are nonetheless against transgenderism. It's because they still believe that the body is relevant, because they still believe that the body is relevant, right? I mean, they haven't come unglued so much, unhinged, unmoored, I guess it would be the right word.

They're still tethered to the reality of the human body, and that's what allows them to push back against transgenderism. But at some point, you have to say that there certainly have been aspects of feminism that led us to where we are, you know, the kind of idea that sex roles are all, that everything's culturally constructed, you know, and that the scapegoating of the male sex is something I could never abide.

You know, in spite of being committed to my career and education and all that, you know, that was the part of feminism that was appealing to me. But I could never abide the scapegoating of half the human race. I don't see how anything good can come from that, you know. So to bring things back to first principles, I think, is helpful. And I think now is a moment, because of all the degradation that you talked about earlier, there are people who are willing to say, yep, everything's on the table. We don't have free elections. We don't really have free speech. What the heck is going on here?

Okay, everything's on the table. Let's talk. Let's talk about what you took for granted as being okay. You aligned yourself with certain kinds of feminism. Let's talk. Let's talk about what you took for granted as being okay. You aligned yourself with certain kinds of feminism. You aligned yourself with certain forms of birth control. You thought that was going to be harmless. You thought that was going to be okay.

You aligned yourself with the free speech that includes pornography. Wait a second, how's that working? That's how I'd put it, Matt. And of course, I have my friends, I have my enemies. But- Yeah. Peter Crave said, when a maniac is at the door feuding brothers reconcile, I think that's a great line to rally different Christians or people of conservative faith, say.

But I think it's also something to be said in political terms. Like if I disagree strongly with Dave or if he disagree strongly with me, we're brothers and he's a, I think he's a good person in many respects, has many virtues. I'm a deviant in many ways myself, unfortunately, and trying to repent of it and grow in it, but that we can seek common ground to fight, fight off these enemies. What do you think Trump did? He seems to have, cause you were talking about the ruling

class. Trump seemed like a gigantic wrench that was thrown into those works. No matter what you think of the guy, obviously there's criticisms that could be leveled at him, but it seems apparent that it took the ruling class by storm and they were pissed for four years. I think that's exactly right. If you had any doubt, the way they reacted to him basically proved the point. The way they reacted to him and the way they cover for Joe's seeming senility. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

The things they cover for versus the things that they attack and so on. It's so insulting to our intelligence. They do something that's obvious and we say, that's crazy. Why would you do that? And they say, well, you're crazy for thinking that there's a cover up. It's called gaslighting. It's called gaslighting. And it's very common.

I think that is one of the things that we do well at the Ruth Institute. And one of the things I put a lot of emphasis on is helping people to look through the propaganda. The propaganda that we are subjected to is simply endless. And again, COVID made that very clear. I think in retrospect, at the beginning, people were like, oh, maybe this is a thing, and they took it seriously, did what they were told. But as the thing unfolded, it became clear

that we were being manipulated, right? And that the shutting down of dissenting voices, so on and so forth. So again, there are people willing to rethink things that weren't before. And the way that fits in with the sexual revolution is this, Matt, the sexual revolution is irrational. It can't work.

It can't be made to work. And yet, and yet people are drawn to it. It's a fantasy, I call it a fantasy ideology, okay? It's a fantasy ideology, meaning that people wish this is the way the world could be. We want the world to be this way. It benefits us if the world is this way. And so, by golly, we're gonna persevere.

And it's like communism. It is exactly like communism. If you look at communism and the sexual revolution and fascism and COVIDism, they all have the same structure. The intellectual structure is this, fantasy ideology. It doesn't matter what the dream world is going to look like. That's a distraction, but they posit this beautiful dream. They just don't take into account human beings and their nature. Well, changing human nature is always part of a totalitarian ideology.

That is always at risk. They are all totalitarian guys and gals want to change human nature. That's what they're against, right? But anyway, so you have this dream, you have this fantasy that you want to have happen. It can't happen. But in order to make it look like it's happening, you need a lot of power, you need a lot of propaganda, and you need a scapegoat. Because in spite of the power and the propaganda, you won't make it work.

You can't make it work. Every step you take takes you farther from reality, right? So then you've got to have somebody to blame when the whole thing takes. Oh my gosh, you're blowing my mind. This is so obviously the case. Keep going, sorry. Okay, well there it is. Keep going.

That's it. Explicated more. Well, okay, so what's your rational about the sexual revolution is the following, okay? Sexual revolution, short version, there's a long version, but the short version is anybody can do anything they want sexually and nothing bad will happen, ever, to anyone. Not to you, not to anyone around you, okay? It's all going to be great. Now, no human culture in the whole history of the human race has ever done such a thing or even attempted such a thing, but there you go. It sounds, doesn't it sound great? Sounds great. Sounds great. I can't have my pleasure without my sacrifice. That's it. No sacrifice and of course in order to make that work you got to do something about the

pesky babies, right? So the sub parts of that are the contraceptive ideology, which says we must separate sex from babies. Then the next part of it is we must separate sex and babies from marriage because we don't want to impose on adults the responsibility of a lifelong commitment to your child's other parent. That's too much. That's obviously off the table if we're saying that you can do anything you want and nothing bad will ever happen, right? So the

kids, the kids are resilient. That's the way we get around that, right? Assuming they ever got born in the first place, the kids are so resilient, they don't care if you bring home a new boyfriend. They don't care. In fact, it might be good for them. Oh, oh, you know, oh, don't get me started. No, I want to get you started. No, no, no, let me finish this thought. Okay, and then we'll get back to that one. But, but, but so you see, it's crazy to think that you can have a whole society where sex is sterile. That's crazy. It's crazy to think you can have a whole society where kids don't need their parents. That's crazy. And then the third part of the sexual revolution is what I call the gender ideology, which encompasses certain branches of feminism and of course transgenderism and homosexuality. And that is that the sex of the body is not really very important. And you can do

whatever you want socially, culturally, sexually. You know, it doesn't matter who your partner is, doesn't matter how you present yourself. And if you really want to, you can change the sex of the body. None of that matters. So that's the gender ideology. Well, that's obviously crazy too, because men and women are different. And if you're a normal human being, you are going to encounter evidence on this point on a daily basis.

You're going to see men and women are different. Look at that. Wow. Hey, look at that. Sex men and women are different. Look at that. Wow. Hey, look at that. Sex actually makes babies. Huh. How about that? You know, I mean, you're going to get evidence on a regular basis to contradict the sexual

revolution. So therefore, if you're going to keep the thing going, you've got to have a lot of power and you've got to have a lot of propaganda. And if you, once you start looking for propaganda, you'll see it everywhere. You look at some story about Happily childless people. Now, why do we need a story about why is that news? Why is that in any publication anywhere? Is it? Oh, it's all over the place. Sure. Sure. Sure You know, you restart people writing in about how you know, there would be some human interest story about you know or people writing in about how, you know, there'll be some human interest story about, you know,

this person who really is very content without having any children and so on and so forth. That still gets, those things still get- I thought you meant happy children without parents. Oh no, no, I beg your pardon. You're saying happy parents without children. Yeah, yeah, yeah, happy adults, yeah. I'm happy-

Yeah, expendable income, you know. All of this type of stuff. And periodically you'll see people talking about open marriage. You still see people talking about open marriage You see still see people talking about open will Smith and his Person he pimp's out pimp's out the wrong way Allows to all these things have been disproven multiple times that they don't work But they still keep popping them up right and why are they doing that to keep the whole?

popping them up, right? And why are they doing that? To keep the whole intellectual structure alive that it's really okay, you know? And the biggest problem, Matt, is those dang Christians say the taboos, that's the problem. We got to get rid of the taboos. The taboos are harmful. They're the problem. Reality is the problem. That's it. That's it. In the Summa Theologiae, Aquinas c, I kind of reference them, those are his commentaries over there, but in the Summa Theologiae he quotes St. Gregory the Great's work on morals and he talks about different effects that result from lust. One of them is a hatred of God. There's a dulling of the intellect, but there's a hatred of God precisely for why the sexual

deviants hate Christians because we don't just want our behavior tolerated, we want it celebrated. It must be celebrated. Tolerance isn't enough. If I can get you started on how it is, this propaganda seeks to establish in the minds of us, not only that what they're doing is harmless, but that it's actually healthy

for children that they have divorced parents or that mom brings a boyfriend home or right. Right. Right. Right. Mama bought their baby brother or sister, you know. So in the beginning of the sexual revolution, some of the pioneers of the sexual revolution, I would put Kinsey in that category. Alfred Kinsey. Absolutely disgusting person. And Wilhelm Reich. I don't know if you're familiar with him. A little bit, but more with Kinsey in that category, Alfred Kinsey. Absolutely disgusting person. And Wilhelm Reich. I don't know if you're familiar with him.

A little bit, but more with Kinsey. Yes. Yes, I think most Americans would tend to be more familiar. Tell us about both. So Wilhelm Reich. Doesn't that sound delicious? Anyway, he was kind of a pseudo scientist in Germany, Austria,

in the 30s and 40s, and he actually wrote the book that's called The Sexual Revolution, and that went through multiple printings. And he was the guy, basically what he and Kinsey both wanted to say, building on Freud in a way, is that repressing your sexual urges is bad for you. I mean, this is the basic idea. And it does kind of come from Freud,

but it's kind of a mash-up of Freud. But anyway, they glommed on to that thought, right? From wherever it came, from the pits of hell maybe, but from wherever that thought came that repressing your sexual urges is a bad thing and it will harm you mentally. They built on that the idea that they didn't quite say it this way, but the idea sex is an entitlement, sex is a need. And both Kinsey and Reich had the idea that children were sexual beings and that it

was important that children's sexual desires not be repressed. So there's children should be allowed to have sex and their parents shouldn't interfere with this. Now to be fair to them, neither of them I think was themselves a pedophile or lusted after children. But to make their system work they had to have they had to kind of redefine what it meant to be a child. Parents interfering with children's natural desires to be sexual with each other, that this would be harmful to the child. We had to make it possible for kids to have their own apartments, for example. This is something Reich was big on.

They have to have their own apartments and their own income so that they can have sex. Well, you know, when you think about our welfare state that gives people, you know, that you can qualify for social support, you know, even when you're a minor, if you have a child, well, what that means is that that 16-year-old who has her first baby, she can move out of her mom's apartment and be on her own. And now whatever, whatever supervision her mom and dad might have offered is now gone or, you know, very, very limited, right? So we've kind of done that in a way. So, wait, where was I going with that? We were talking about how we're being demanded to celebrate the deviancy, not just tolerate it. Yes, yes. Oh, so here's what I want to say about that, Matt. There are two competing systems.

So here's what I want to say about that, Matt. There are two competing systems. There's the sexual revolutionary sexual system, and then there's the traditional Judeo-Christian sexual system. Sex and reproduction are absolutely central to a society's life. It colors everything. It affects everything, okay? So one system will drive out the other. They cannot coexist. I think this is now becoming obvious to people.

You really can't coexist with one system. Something that's driving the whole system, you can't do it piecemeal. You're going to end up one way or the other, you're going to end up driving out. One will drive out the other. And so from a structural perspective, you know, if you're the ruling class and you're thinking this all through, you'll think to yourself, well we got to get rid of this, we got to get rid of that, we got to celebrate this, we got to celebrate that. So that's one way to look at it. The other way to look at it is that the the person who is behaving in a deviant manner, which is a very broad set of people at this point, right? A lot of times they're going to have a guilty

conscience about it. If there really is a natural law embedded in the heart, somewhere you know that it's not right. Even while you're doing it, you know it's not right. And I can tell you from experience of being involved in the sexual revolution, full participant in my 20s, you know, even while I was doing it I knew it wasn't really right. And it has to be the case that a lot of people also know that, but they don't have a clear picture of what the alternative looks like, right? So what we end up doing and what I try to pay attention to and try not to provoke unnecessarily, we're provoking the guilty conscience, which is extremely powerful reaction, I think, you know, protective, right? The person becomes very protective of their psyche, which kind of

proves that moral relativism can't be true. Right. Well, that's a great point. If you, and we might have some beautiful women out there who have had abortions and have repented of it, bless you, we love you. This isn't meant to be condemning of you. The act was horrific and repenting is necessary. We may have dads that encouraged. You know, there was a time in my teenage years where I said to my girlfriend, who I was fornicating with, if you got pregnant, you'd have an abortion, I hope.

God have mercy on me, a sinner, right? So why do I say that? I say it for this reason. If you have had an abortion and then you realise, or someone's telling you that what you just did was pay somebody to kill your Innocent unborn child it seems to you've got like two main options right one Accept it accept that you just killed your child Or go along with the sexual deviant

Propaganda which is you just did something beautiful and it ought to be celebrated bloody hell if those are your two choices which one's more easy To go with right right for a while For a while, but after a while it it it builds up and you can't you can't deal with it anymore And and then when you can't deal with it anymore the sexual deviant propagandists say That this is just an illusion. This regret you have is something brought on by a Christian society. That's right. That's right. That's right. And if you happen to be gay, if your issue is that you are same-sex attracted and you get fed up with it and you don't like it anymore, you can't

change. Right. You have Stockholm Syndrome as well. Yes, science says you can't change. And the therapists that may want to help you change, since you're the one asking for it, will be criminalized. Or lose their licenses. Yeah, yeah. So it's very interesting, isn't it, how the revolutionaries block the exits? I mean, I view that as a way of blocking the exit,

the prohibition on therapy. What a great way to put it. And likewise, what goes on with the crisis pregnancy centers, the whole pregnancy care movement, I'm sure you're aware there are more pregnancy care centers than there are abortion clinics in the United States. Okay, that's a fact. And what do the pro-choice people say about those clinics? Oh, they're lying to women. They should be shut down. They should be prosecuted for consumer fraud. They should be forced to refer to for abortions.

You know, all of this kind of... They block that exit, that alternative that the woman has. They don't want her to have the alternative. They're trying to keep her trapped in the system. So those things I think are very telling, right? I mean, if you... I think once you see it, you can't unsee it. You know, once you start to realize that this is the mechanism and that this is what people are trying to accomplish, well then you start to see it all over the place.

Yeah, 100%. You said earlier, you know, I think your words were to his credit, Kinsey may not have been a pedophile, but I think what he did was even more vicious, if that weren't the case, since he conducted experiments on babies that were sexual in nature. Yeah, I don't think he did those experiments. He had some creep. He had some creep who collected data for him. He deserved to be executed. He was that wicked. And yet we have got Liam Bloody Neeson starring in a movie that celebrates him. There you go about the ruling class. Kinsey said of, and you know this, I'm sure of Hefner. If Hugh Hefner, no, what did he say? If Hugh Hefner is the prophet, I am his pamphleteer. No, no, no, by the way around, Hefner said that of Kinsey. That's right. If Kinsey is the prophet, I'm his pamphleteer.

Right, right. And now we know that Kinsey, now we know that Hefner said that of Kinsey. That's right. If Kinsey is a prophet, I'm his pamphlet here. Right. Right. And now we know that now we know that Hefner was abusing people left, right and center. You know, now some of the former bunnies have come forward and said, you know, he was a rapist and he was this and he was that. What exactly did you think was going on in the Playboy Mansion? You know, come on, people. You know, what did you think was going on? Fantasy. That's what you thought. That's what you bought into. That's what I bought into.

It is. It's you thought. It is. That's what you bought into. That's what I bought into. It is. It's a fantasy. It is. And I think at this point in history, most people are both victims and perpetrators of the sexual revolution. You know, an awful lot of people have some past with these issues.

And so I think to see that we've all been flooded with propaganda, I think it's helpful to see that because it helps you realize it wasn't all your fault. I mean, I just wanna say that, even if some of it was your fault, it wasn't all your fault, you know? Because, you know, you were going with the flow, you were going with what you were surrounded with,

and you figure out for yourself that something's wrong, and now you've got a choice about what you're going to do with that information. That wasn't right, right? Mason Harkness You know, Therese, this sounds like a tangent, but it's not. Therese of Lisieux said that she takes tremendous comfort in the fact that God is just. She says, this attribute of his that causes many fear causes me great comfort because it's precisely because his just that he takes my weakness into account.

And, uh, you know, I stumbled across porn when I was eight. Wow. I was told by my father who is in many respects, a good person. Um, nice collection of playboys. You got there. Don't let your mother find out, you know, wink, nod. I had a best friend's mum who bought us pornographic videos at the age of 13, she bought us liquor.

I'm 13, I'm getting hammered drunk watching porn. That was my childhood. It's so important that we not justify or rationalise our sin and yet have an appropriate compassion on ourself given the things that were imposed upon us. That's right. That's right. I totally agree with that. And that kind of pattern that you're describing, it goes across the board of all the different aspects of the sexual revolution. You know, teenage girls or mom putting them on birth control, right? Or divorced parents and the chaos that that introduces into the life of the family. And then the next generation not seeing an alternative to divorce, or the alternative

to divorce is just don't get married in the first place, which doesn't really solve the problem. Right? And so we're now in multi-generations of people being misled, doing things that didn't really work, being frightened and ill-informed about what might work. And you see this very commonly with children of divorce. This is one of the easiest to see, I think, because any honest person would have to say

that the child of divorce is innocent. It's not their fault that their parents got divorced. Although sometimes kids will take that on themselves. And imagine it's a way of them empowering themselves or of coping with it. To say, well, if I had been a good boy, this wouldn't have happened. It makes them feel a little more powerful than they really are. How does that make the children feel more powerful? I don't understand it.

I would think that that would take your power if you thought you were the cause for your parents' divorce. What does that mean? We're talking six-year-olds, right? I mean, it doesn't have to make sense. I see. Right? But somewhere in their little minds, a lot of times.

I'm the cause. Yeah. Because kids are intrinsically self-centered. You know, that's kind of who they are. That's who they are in the first place. You know, I mean, I had a foster child say that to me one time. We used to do foster care. Did you know that? I didn't. Yeah, we did foster care for three years in San Diego. Yeah, one time we had a little boy and I asked him this question. Now, whose fault is it that you're in foster care? I asked him that. He said mine. And I knew he was going to say that. That's why I asked him because I wanted to get it on the table. You know? And I said, you know,

well wait a minute, what exactly did you do that has, well blah blah blah blah. Well, no, it's your mom and dad have problems, you know? And that was their problem, they're not your problem, you know? And it's not your fault that you're in foster care. I wanted to be able to say those words to him, it's not your fault that this happened to you. But anyway, apart from that, I think most people would agree that the children of divorce are innocent parties. It's not their fault, you know, whatever went on between their parents, it's not the child's fault. But the child is, their little life is disrupted by it. child's fault. But the child, their little life is disrupted by it. If there are subsequent remarriages or re-partnerings, their life is even more disrupted by that. And so then they grow into adulthood, they want to get married and stay married, but they don't really

know how. And they're afraid and their fears interfere with them. Their fears make it harder. I think anybody can relate to that, you know, that you're so, your first argument, you think, well, you're not the right person for me, we must separate, you know, that kind of thing. And that's been documented for a long time, Matt, that's not a secret, you know, anybody who studies that question knows

that children of divorce have greater challenges sustaining marital relations and long-term committed relations. That's just, and everybody who studies this knows that that's true. So now you're cascading the problem, right, of from one generation to the next, it doesn't get better. You know, it's not, this is not progress. This is not progressives. Give me a break.

This is not progress. This is dissent. This is, you know, this is dissent, right? So we should call the progressives the regressives. Regressives, right. I never call them progressives without air quotes or something, you know, because the self-proclaimed progressives,

I might call them that. This is their conceit about themselves. How important is it that we not go along with their terminology? Oh, very important. Black Lives Matter would be an example. It seems to me that both racism and the philosophy that undergoes Black Lives Matter are evil. All right? I think saying things like biological male is conceding linguistically.

You're a man or a woman. Saying gay marriage concedes linguistically, there is no such thing. Of course, sometimes when you're talking freely, you can't help but slip into these things. But do you think it's important that we say, for example, pro-death instead of pro-choice? Yes, I think the proper use of language is extremely important because the person who controls the language controls your thought.

Right. And so and one peeper talks about this in his essay on the abuse of power. Either I'm saying something true to you or I'm lying to you. And if I'm lying to you, he says, I've ceased communicating because I'm not allowing

you to be a sharer of the reality, which is yours by right. I communicating because I'm not allowing you to be a share of the reality, which is yours by right. I'm actually, I'm withholding something from you. So yes, the proper bloody use of language and not in order to manipulate you. That's what liars do. That's what flattery is. That's what propaganda and sophistry is. that's right, but we say pro-death or the pro-abort Not to gain control of the argument but to say what's true just say what's really there, right? It's obvious. They're not pro-choice. It's never been about choice. You know, it's never really been about choice But but this principle that you're articulating Cuts across a lot of different issues, you know, so the trans issues, it's very important that you not go in with their language.

So my preferred term is a man who says he's a woman. And another way you can see this, last year we did our summit for survivors of the sexual revolution. One of the speakers, this woman named Erin Brewer, I asked her to give a talk, well, let me just back up a little bit. Summit for Survivors of the Sexual Revolution is what it sounds like. You know, we're trying to deal with the fact that everybody's survived, you know, and that you've, and that you're trying to move forward. You know, you're not a victim, you're trying to move forward with it. Last year, we introduced a pamphlet for sidewalk counselors outside Planned Parenthoods who

encounter a trans-minded client. So people going into Planned Parenthood, they're not all going in for abortions. Some of them are going in for cross-sex hormones or puberty blockers. That's part of Planned Parenthood's business plan now. So we had heard about that and our pro-life counselor, sidewalk counselor friends were telling us, we don't know what to say to these people. You know, we don't know what to do. So we came up with a pamphlet. We worked with our friends at the American College of Pediatricians. We came up with a pamphlet that the counselors could use.

You know, just, would you like to talk about alternatives to whatever? You know, I'm not even sure how they're gonna use it, but anyway, we were trying to come up with something, you know, that would be helpful. And so last year at our summit, I asked one of our experts to give a talk on the psychology of the trans-minded client. Who is this person? So the sidewalk counselor has some idea who's this person. Well, what she came up with when she started talking about this 15-minute talk, she came up with the fact that the word trans can be used in at least six different ways. Okay? So somebody could say... So this teenager walking into the Planned Parenthood, that's a person who's, you might say, is confused about their identity and they want these treatments. That's one kind of person.

But then there are also these grown men who have never done any kind of medical treatment, particularly, who after they were grown men decided that they wanted to present themselves as women and they basically are what is called autogynephiles. That is they are sexually aroused by seeing themselves dressed as a woman. Okay? That is a very different person from that teenage kid. Very different person and you use the same word and she had a whole bunch of other... and then there's the pretender, like this guy, Will, Will, Leah, what's the guy's last name? The swimmer.

Leah Thomas? Will, William Thomas, yes, but that's the guy, yeah. You know, the swimmer who's pretending to be a woman so he can win because he was a mediocre male swimmer. Okay, he's a pretender. Then you have your predator, people who are pretending to be women so they can have access to women's spaces. And we're told that we're only allowed to believe that there's one thing here,

which is that poor teenage child that we're all supposed to be sympathetic with. But in point of fact, the term covers at least a half to half dozen different things. When somebody's doing that to you, you know, that it's deliberate. You know, that's not an accident when you use one word to mean six different things. You know, they're trying to confuse you. Right? I mean, isn't- Indeed.

Yeah, right, right. So you don't want to- I'm tracking. You got to, you got to, I don't know, it's like a full-time job keeping track of this crazy, the crazy, crazy linguistics. There does seem to be a significant counter push against the insanity. It doesn't seem like we all agree on the specifics, but the recognition that the woke sexual deviant,

whatever you want to call it, agenda is insane. And it seems like we only woke up when we started telling our children or we saw that our teachers were indoctrinating our children in these false things. Maybe over COVID parents became more aware of what was being... Speak to that. Yes, I think that's right. I think the COVID thing and the kids doing remote learning, more parents became more aware of what was going on. But the fact is sexual education has been in the schools and has been crazy for a long time. You know, I mean, when you really think about it, the idea that a teacher should be teaching children about contraception,

that is not an idea that comes readily to your mind. We're just so used to it. You know, we've become, what's the word? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Desensitized to it, you know? we've become, what's the word? Desensitize. Frog in the pot sort of thing? Yeah, yeah, yeah, desensitize to it, you know? And so honestly, transgenderism didn't just pop up out of nowhere. It's been building on things that have been in place for a long time. And so it's my hope that people will look at this

and say, you know, we need to get the sex out of schools completely. And our kids out of schools. Completely, yeah, completely, completely. Until you guys shape up, we're not sending our kids to these schools, you know, we need to get the sex out of schools completely. And our kids out of schools. Completely, yeah, completely, completely. Until you guys shape up, we're not sending our kids to these schools, you know. Talk to that more, because I think that public schools are garbage.

I think they're death camps for souls. And I think the majority of Catholic schools are too. And I think your child would fare far better if you took him out of school and actually just homeschooled him. And if you did nothing but read The Lord of the Rings occasionally on the couch, they would have far more well-rounded.

But you see you say this though, and then the response is, how dare you? Like, don't you understand that this is my only option? And fair enough. I can see where people are coming from. Right, right, right. But how important is it, do you think, at this day and age that we, of course, not send our children to public school? I think what bloody hell, what the bloody hell else needs to occur for parents to wake up and say, oh, maybe that's too far.

Like, do they need to be actually molesting your children for you to take a stand? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Am I overstating it? No, no, not one bit, not one bit. I mean, how bad does it have to get before you get off the couch and do something about it? And so I celebrate the fact

that parents are getting activated. And those are the very kind of people that we want to see at our events, right? Because I'm not interested in talking to people who just sit around to complain, right? But if you want more facts and figures and strategies and allies for you to go into whatever your field of battle might be, and this is certainly one legitimate one, we'll help you, we'll help you with that, that's what we're about. But I think for parents of young children, it's important that you do everything you can to protect them, which means, which may mean taking them home, okay? But we cannot simply abandon all of those institutions because when the most involved and engaged

people all retreat, what's left? What's left but the unengaged, uninvolved and the machine just rolling over. I agree that perhaps there's work to be done in reforming these institutions, but I don't think that means our children have to remain in them. My primary responsibility is my kids, not your kids. Absolutely. in reforming these institutions, but I don't think that means our children have to remain in them. My primary responsibility is my kids, not your kids. Absolutely. No, I totally agree with that.

But this is a role for others in the family to play. So the mother and father are educating their children right now. You're in the throes of that. Of course, that has to be your primary responsibility. No question about that. But maybe grandma and grandpa need to be down at the school board. You know, maybe mom's at home with the kids and dad's in there fighting, you know. But we cannot simply abandon all the institutions. And and maybe, you know, maybe the the correct answer is we we dismantle certain

things, you know, that we get rid of them completely. But if you do nothing, right, if there's no, you know,al is only part of a strategy. That can't be the whole picture. You've got to do something to reform or resist or contain the madness of what these other institutions are doing. And it's not just the schools. I see this with the doctors and the lawyers. They're under enormous

pressure to conform to the sexual revolution in a whole variety of ways, you know. And so I think each person, whatever their, whatever your gifts and talents and skills are, you know, you need to plot out a course for yourself to figure out what you can do with what you know and where you are to somehow resist pushback reform you know what whatever. Well you've been in the Ruth Institute you founded it I presume? Yes. How long has it been in existence? 2008. What have you done that's actually helped? I don't just mean individuals but institutionally. Is it even possible at this point? Oh I don't know. I don't know. Have you done anything that you can go, well, this was a huge victory that we had?

No, really can't. Well, how do you keep going? We won. We won. We won Prop 8. But then it was taken away from us. Yeah. While you think about that, let me mention Nicosia because this is the National Center on Sexual Exploitation in D.C.

A few things that they've been able to achieve. I don't know. They're great people. Yeah, I mean, they they were instrumental in getting Google to ban apps that were pornographic. They were instrumental in helping those in Utah and other states declare pornography a public health crisis. They were instrumental in getting Hilton and other hotels to remove pornography from their chains.

McDonald's and Starbucks started filtering their Wi-Fi because of their work. But it just feels like one step forward, 8,000 steps back. I know, I know. Yeah. Well, you know, you hurt my feelings. Did I? No, not really. But-

Well, the question was, have you done anything that's helped institutionally? It either has or it hasn't. Well, I can't or it hasn't. Well I can't point to anything. Honestly I can't point to anything. What I can say though is that I think that what I do and what the Ruth Institute does is to help people be more aware of what we're dealing with so that other people can deal with whatever is their their niche you know. And what's interesting is you're probably unaware of the cascading effects that your work and my work and the work of Nikosi has done. I mean, the reason groups like Daily Wire are so huge right now are probably because people like yourself and others helped educate these, like say,

Matt Walsh's when they were younger about the insanity of transgenderism that then led them to have this platform where they could actually make a cultural impact. I hope so. I hope that's the case. But because of where I'm situated in that chain of public opinion, right, that I'm doing a little bit more abstract work, you could say. It's harder to see. When you're not the activist. You're not the activist. For example, yeah. But I love the activists and we always give an award to activists. We give an award to the activist of the year, you know, kind of thing every year. And the activist is on your shoulders.

Like when I wrote my book, The Porn Myth, yes, that has about 40 pages of bibliography in the back. So whatever good that book may have done, it was precisely because of the people who are far more intelligent than I was and who were able to put far more time into researching these things than I could have done. Right, right, right. And you know what, so- Trying to unhurt your feelings as well.

No, no, no, no, no, no. I was joking. But part of the question is how do you sustain yourself when you're in this kind of endeavor where you're looking down, where you can't see immediate results, you know. So I take comfort from the people who reach out to me and tell me that I did them some good in some way, you know, and that happens, you know, and I appreciate it when it happens. We were at Cleveland Right to Life, you know, earlier this spring, and I didn't go, some of my staff went, and people came up,

Ruth Institute, oh, is Dr. Moore's here? Is Dr. Moore's here? I'm a Catholic because of her. You know, okay, alright, so I'll take that, you know. But this is gonna sound like it's weird, I mean, like it's way off, but bear with me. My husband's a big Second Amendment guy, big citizen self-defense guy. And the movement for citizen self-defense is deep, it's broad, it's much, they're much bigger than we are, you know, any pro-family thing, you know, and the pro-life movement is much bigger than we are. But when you think about the Second Amendment and the right to self-defense, the arguments for that have been understood since the Magna Carta.

You don't have to, they don't have to invent the arguments. They don't have to start from ground zero. I feel like I'm inventing the arguments. I feel like I'm explaining why we need marriage, you know, why you shouldn't allow your daughter to cut her breasts off or to have a breast cut off. No one was talking about that. Why you shouldn't allow your daughter to cut her breasts off or to have a breast cut off. No one was talking about that. No one's ever talked about that. No one's ever needed to talk about that, you know.

But even in Prop 8, when it wasn't so radical as it is now, you know, we needed a defense of marriage as an institution. Why do we have marriage in the first place? Nobody has ever really been called upon to answer that question. I look at my free market friends, okay? Because my doctorates in economics and that's where I got my start and free market economics. It's great stuff. Well, the arguments in favor of a free market go back to Adam Smith and back before that to the Salamanca School in in Spain and medieval Spain and so on. Okay, so those arguments have been around for a long time, but nobody has ever been asked to explain why do we need marriage, what does

it do, you know? And so we're starting, you know, we're just a few centuries behind Matt, so I accept that, you know, and I hope I'm doing some good. In fact, I'm gonna take that back. I'm gonna say, I know I'm take that back. I'm going to say, I know I'm right. I know I'm right, Matt. And that's what keeps me going. Even if nobody pats me on the head or I can't point to a specific victory or something. I was listening to a video by Peter Hitchens yesterday, the Christopher Hitchens brother, who's a conservative commentator in England, brilliant. And his point to a somewhat antagonistic interviewer was to tell the truth is worth doing,

whether or not anything is affected by it. Just saying what's true in a day and age where we're all telling lies is a powerful thing. Right. I agree with that. I agree with that. And that keeps me going. And my husband keeps me going, you know, to know that I have him behind me, you know, that he has my back, you know, kind of thing. You've talked about the evils of contraception. Yes. And I know that you work for, what are you called?

Is it a nonprofit? Is it a the Ruth Institute? What is it called? Well, it, what kind of, we're a nonprofit organization. We're a nonprofit organization. I can sit, we're think tanky. Okay.

So you, well, let's say that you work for a think tanky nonprofit organization that includes many beautiful Mormons and Protestants. How do you, how do they accept what you have to say on contraception given that they're open to those things? Well, Has that been a point of contention? Not particularly. And the reason it's not particularly is because I don't insist that everybody agree with me on every point just to work for me.

You know, if they know what I stand for, if they're on board with enough of it, then I'm okay with that. You know, I'm not... But they know what our message is, they know what our messaging needs to be, but I think some of them I've brought around. You know, I mean, I've had numerous occasions over the years where I have been in front of either a mixed group or an evangelical group and they have said, Dr. Morse, tell us more about contraception. We want to hear more about this. And so I've tried to present

it in a way that they can receive it. I try to remind them what is a historical fact, which is this is the common heritage of the whole Christian tradition, right? Because when you deny the teleological aspect of the sexual act, it gets difficult trying to explain why sodomitic acts are wrong. And this is why when you actually often look up Protestant arguments against it, they rely solely on scriptural verses instead of sort of that and the natural law. The both and stuff that Catholics like to do so much.

The tradition plus scripture, natural law plus divine law and so on and so forth. So that's the way I handle that particular issue. And, you know, I don't encounter a huge amount of resistance, but it's because it's a select group, right? You know, the people who work for me, who work immediately for me, with me, the people who invite me, they invite me because they want to hear it, you know. So I can testify that there are non-Catholics who are ready to listen, at least about it. So that's where your point comes in, that if you tell the truth, you just leave it out there,

that that's worth doing. That's worth doing all by itself, because they know I'm not gonna soft pedal it, and they also know I'm not gonna blame them. And sometimes I'll say, listen guys, I'm not gonna make a theological argument here. I'm just going to ask you to consider the following question. What has contraception done to society? Let's just look at that. See, this is a good point, right? Because you're in this hypothetical example, asking

somebody who's not on board with you yet, who may feel that to attack contraception is insane, out of date, wrong, okay, but you're calling them to ask the question, to be open to where you're going. So let me ask you something that maybe you are opposed to. Were we wrong to ever encourage women to go into the workforce, mothers to go into the workforce. What has that done? What is the results of that being? Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. I'm willing to talk about that. Because I'm asking somebody who has a PhD and obviously works in the institution. And I'm not saying that you shouldn't, by the way. That's not my position.

No, no. But I want to ask the question. I think in this book, I talk a little bit about feminism because it's it's a I avoid the word feminism so let's let's continue to avoid the word feminism and go right back to the to the question were we wrong to encourage women to go into the workforce to encourage mothers in particular to work encourage and and I think I'm gonna say yes we were wrong that That is wrong. To encourage mothers to go into the workplace as if that is normal, as if that is to be desired, as if that is superior to the raising of children,

I think that was a wrong turn. I definitely think that was a wrong turn. And it's a wrong turn that many women have suffered greatly from. Greatly. Okay, Matt? How so? What's your experience been in talking to these women? Oh, honey. Oh. Well, okay. So I was born in 1953. So that means I came of age when all of this stuff was coming of age, right? And I was very drawn to the idea that I should get a job, that I should have an education. I was good in school, you know, and I had a lot of intellectual interests. So I was very drawn to careerism, what I would call careerism. But you don't see the downside of it until it's too late to do anything about it. And so in my case, the particular downside of it was I postponed childbearing for so long

that we ended up with a long period of infertility. Okay? And that, for me, that was the crisis. That's when I came back to the faith. Wow. See, I had been, I was a cradle Catholic, memorized Baltimore Catechism in fourth grade, Tomism for children, as I'm sure you know. Sure. That's what that is. So I abandoned the faith and but it was infertility that brought me back to the

faith because this is where I could see that I'm not in control of everything. I can't control the outcome, get everything I want by working harder, being smart, so on and so forth. But by the time you are in your mid-30s and struggling to conceive, you look back and you go, criminy, I can't fix this problem. I can't go back to my 20s. I can't go back and undo the sexual misadventures that I had that led me here, that led me to postpone marriage, you know,

and all of those things. The priority that I put on my education, the priority that I put on my career, the way I treated my husband because of that, you know? All of those- How did you treat your husband? Let me finish this one thought, I'll go back to it. All of that, I couldn't go back and get that lost time. And whether you like it or not, whether I like it or not, there is a ticking

fertility clock. I mean, that's a reality. And so millions of women, millions of women have had the exact same experience and every last one of them thinks they're the only one. I mean, it's horrible. When you really think about that, it's horrible. In the meantime, Phyllis Schlafly was trying to tell us- Who's this? Phyllis Schlafly, okay, she's not important in a way. The previous generation was trying to tell us that it's possible to raise your children and then go to college and then go to law school. That's possible. That option has been there for a long time, but nobody ever talked about that as a correct path for women, which tells you that there was something

corrupting about that form of feminism and that messaging and all that, that was about something else other than women's choice and empowerment. You then take the next step to think, hmm, I was sold a bill of goods there. But anyway, the point is that once you figure out that it was, that that priority that you placed was incorrect, it's too late to do anything about it. And the other thing that has happened as a result of that whole, let's push women into the labor force, is that they don't look for spouses at a time when they should be looking for spouses. It affects how we interact male and female, you know, the expectations we have each other. And now I'll answer your question, what about my husband? How was I treating my husband? Okay. So I had it in mind as the feminists have told us that

we must have equality in the home and the work in the home because that's what's really holding women back. What's holding women back is their husbands aren't doing enough of the chores. Okay, so you fool around with that for very long. You're gonna create a lot of dissension and, you know, ill at ease inside the home, right? And, you know, and I was doing that. You begin to look at your husband like the enemy who refuses to play his part in the household duties. Exactly.

Exactly. You're competing with your husband instead of loving your husband. Instead of cooperating, instead of collaborating, you're competing with each other. And I can honestly say to you, Matt, that infertility was the first time in our marriage where it was really, really obvious that men and women are different. And it's like, that is really stinkin' weird.

They took that one and figured that out. But the truth is, this being wanting to conceive and being unable to conceive cuts to the heart of your maleness and your femaleness, and we each reacted to it in different ways. It meant something different to him than it meant to me. And in order for us to live together, in order for us to pass through that experience together, I had to be willing to accept that this was not parallel, perfect reciprocity going on here, you know, that he had his own path, that he had his own needs. And same with me, I expected him to understand me perfectly. Well, maybe I should give him a break and try to understand him, you know, on his terms instead of on my terms all the time. So I didn't expect

this, Matt, but in my spirit of being forthright, I think the question you asked was a good question because it was focused on one thing. And I have to say, I think it was a mistake. I think it's still a mistake to tell women that their highest priority is to go to work. And maybe not even just their highest priority. Maybe that's not strong enough, but maybe it's just to tell them to go to work. Like my wife, you'd love her. She's powerful. She's the cleric. She takes command of a room if no one's going to do it. She's, she's beautiful. She's sassy. She's hilarious. Um, she's never led me astray. I love her. Yeah.

Oh, I'd never say that to her face. But between, I'm just joking. Oh, shut up. I love her. Not only do I love her, but she's my favorite person. Like, I like her. I find her delightful. Okay.

I have no doubt that if she was working, we'd be making way more money, you know, because she's just better at me and this stuff. But if she said to me, honey, what do you think? Should I take a job? I tell her no, I don't want you doing that. And she would listen to that because she knows I love her. And I'm so glad she's at home. And you have children for. And they're still at home.

They well, I mean, the eldest is 14. They they're homeschooled. They are at home. But not always. Not always. You know, we did we did try out different things along the path. They are at home. But not always. Not always. You know, we did we did try out different things along the path, but this is what works best for us. I guess my question for you then is, what is your advice? We have many young men and women watch this show, right?

They're looking to date. They want to get married. They're thinking about, you know, what do I do once I get married? You know, my children now will say things like when I go to university and I say, why, why would you, why would you go to university? Like I'm open to it. But why, why, why is that? And I think maybe something similar should be said to mothers. I mean, no doubt, the feminine genius pervades the workspace.

I'm so grateful for your work and I'm glad for the work that you do. And so certainly, I believe women can be called to these certain professions. But on the whole, why not say, why would you think about working? Why not move to a rust belt dingy town like Steubenville where you don't actually have to be making $200,000 a year to live and just let your husband work? I mean, I don't want to put words into your mouth

and I'm happy for you to disagree with me on this, but what would your advice be to young men and women who are maybe engaged right now? Yeah, see, here's the problem, Matt. This is where the sexual revolution has several interlocking parts, and this is where the divorce ideology comes in and rears its ugly head and plays a very important part in people's decision making. And that is that you cannot be sure that your spouse will stay with you for a lifetime.

And so there are a lot of women, I know this for a fact, who get more education than maybe they really want and certainly who stay at work longer than they really want after their kids come because they don't really trust their husbands to be there for them. And so that's another thing where you change an incentive over here, the incentive to stay married, right? You can change that and it has all these ripple effects all over the place, right? See, it used to be when I was growing up, I knew people who, you know, the couple would get married and the wife would work for a while while hubby was going through medical school, putting hubby through. She got her PhD, putting hubby through. And then he would get, you know,

and maybe they'd have a child or two, but she'd be working. And then when he was a doctor and established and so on, she'd stay home with the kids and everything. Well, you can't do that anymore. You can't trust that he will not run off the secretary. You know, when we, after you've made the investment and then he ditches you.

You can't do that anymore. And this is how people are thinking. And they're not wrong to be thinking like that. And the more secular they are, the greater the burden that is. I mean, my daughter is, sounds like your wife, my daughter is a ball of fire, and she has her doctorate.

And, you know, so she encounters a lot of people and she listens to her friends and she listens to them talk and she hears their fears about, I wanna get married but we're gonna, yeah, we're gonna get married but we're gonna keep separate bank accounts, all this type of stuff. And I did that and I thought like that.

So these moving parts are all connected. So what I would say to young people, first of all I want to say to young people, I'm aware that it's really difficult to find a suitable spouse. I hear this from men and women alike, where are all the good people? So that's discouraging. And I recognize that that's discouraging for people, but so you got to solve that problem, first of all. But then once you do get married, I think the key thing is do not rack up too much student debt, number one, and do not take too big of a mortgage, right? Because as soon as you do that, you have limited your options, right? So those are the most practical things, you know, that I could say. Yeah, that's really helpful. What's difficult is, I understand what you said there, people think

this way and they're not wrong to think it, since we don't live in Christian utopia. So we have to deal with the real world effects. And yet, to get married and to not trust your husband or to not fully trust your wife, even though they can hurt you because they're fallible and sinful and wretched human beings like you are, is a recipe for disaster. I mean, my wife and I have heard each other deeply over the years. Divorce was never a word that could be uttered. One of the nice things about being a Christian is I know that if I abandon my wife and children and chase after something else, then I get to go to hell. And that's a long time. Right. So you're going to be dead a long time. Turns out. That's what I heard. Yeah. Self-interested reasons in the Christian sense are helpful too. Right. Right. Because marriage is bloody hard. You put two wretched human beings together and see how that works out. It's tough.

It's bloody hard. Right. I remember the first time my wife and I had an argument. This is about 10 years into our marriage and at that moment it was so heated I realized to my great terror that this isn't unbreakable. Does that make sense? No. My marriage isn't unbreakable. It that make sense? No, my marriage isn't unbreakable. It could be broken.

It could be broken. I didn't realize that until then until we just both just got really angry over this one thing and we began to like I just resist and to hide reacting to our woundedness. It scared the shit out of me when I realized that. But you repent and you pursue your wife. If you have the idea that if we get into any arguments, then maybe we're not compatible. What an insane idea that is.

If you're a man and she's a woman, you're not compatible. Let's just go with that. Comp, compatibility is not really a choice. But love is a choice, and love is always a choice. And this is where your friend Thomas is so helpful, our mutual friend Thomas, where he's so helpful is that love is a decision. Love is always a decision. And all these other things that we call love

are about emotions. I like the way you make me feel, so therefore that's love. Well, no, not really. To love is to will the good of the other, to will and to do the good of the other, that's what love is. And so there's an element of self-sacrifice, there's an element of looking outside the self.

I mean, I think that's the biggest thing that authentic love does, is it calls you to look outside yourself, to the good of the other person. So right there, teleology pops up again, right? Because you go, well, what is the authentic good of this person?

They want something, they say they want something, and it's not good for them. Okay, as a parent, you deal with that all the time. But that might be a factor in your married life. It might be a factor in your dealings with all kinds of people, that they want something and you're not gonna give it to them because you don't think it's good for them.

And they're gonna be unhappy with you. And so there's gonna be tension, there's gonna be unpleasantness. But it's love that sees you through that, that helps you to know that it's, okay, this is not the best right now. This is not, this is not the part we like, but we need to pass through it in some way. Tell us about this summit you have coming up. Oh, if you don't mind. No, I don't mind. Yeah. What is it? And where is it? Yeah. Yeah. So,

the summit for survivors of the sexual revolution is something we cooked up. We cooked up this idea a few years ago to be, we hope that it will be an annual regional conference, you know, where Cleveland Write to Life are the people who inspired me. Yeah, that's terrific. Yeah, they're amazing. But anyway, the idea is, you know, two days of conferencing punctuated with an awards dinner Friday night. At the awards dinner, I always pick out people that I think deserve attention. Sometimes they're already well known, sometimes they're not. So this year, our keynote speaker will be Kristin Hawkins, who's president of Students

for Life of America. We're going to give her a Pro-Life Leadership Award, and she'll give the address that night. So this year our keynote speaker will be Kristen Hawkins, who's president of Students for Life of America. We're going to give her Pro-Life Leadership Award and she'll give the address that night. And then we'll give an award to Mr. Walt Heyer. Yeah, tell us about this fellow. Yeah, Walt Heyer. I'm going to give him an award for what we call the Public Witness of the Year. I always celebrate somebody whose testimony has been important.

Okay. somebody whose testimony has been important. Walt Heyer lived as a woman for eight years, and he figured out that living as a woman was not solving any of his problems. Did he have mutilation surgery? He did a number of things to himself. I don't know all the details, but he did a number of things to himself. And he was an adult when he made the decision to change, so it was a little different from a lot of what goes on. But anyway, he walked it back, had a conversion experience, and now spends his life giving his testimony and trying to help people who either have been through it or are considering

it or parents. What a hero. Oh, oh You know you should come to the summit just to shake his hand. He's 80 years old. Okay, so He's in good health, but he's 80. So if you want to shake his hand you should really come Now's the time So he's gonna talk about how change is really possible and we'll give him that award and then We're giving awards to the scholar of the year is a guy called Scott Yenner. I don't know if you know Yenner, he's a great guy. He's a Missouri Synod Lutheran, it turns out. He's written several important books of political

philosophy and he attacks feminism among his other virtues. In fact, they tried to cancel him at his university not too long ago over this very thing. So so we give him an award for scholar of the year and then activists of the year. Like I mentioned, I always have. I've got these two ladies who are on fire. I can't even keep up with them. So I want people to check this out. Summit for survivors.org. Neil, can you put that in the description?

Check that out. It's going to be in Louisiana on June 24th through 25th. If you live anywhere near it, you should come come. You should totally come. And it's the best food in America. What? Louisiana has great food. OK, I'm just saying it does. Yeah, I'm just saying, I'm just saying. But so so that's the kind of thing that's going to be going on at the summit. But one thing that I'm doing, especially this year,

I'm going to give a 15-minute talk, Defend Traditional Christian Sexual Ethics without fear or apology. Just straight up defend it. And at the end of the summit, you're going to get, everybody who's there is going to get a flash drive that will have the slides to that talk and the script for that talk. So you can give that talk. So it won't be anything so super special that only I could do. I mean, I got it there.

I put it all together so you have it so that you can defend yourself. You can defend your own values. Yes, yes, yes. That's when I tell people to get my book, The Porn Myth, I tell them that there's like 40 pages of bibliography, you know, so you can just cite it. You can write. Right. It's the footnoting has been done for your convenience. Plagiarize it. Take it. Exactly. And you've done the hard work of the intellectual study and you put into this talk that people can then write. I love it. Right. Right. And I'll

tell you what inspired me about that. Every once in a while I get annoyed. Imagine that in this line of work. In this line of work that I should get annoyed. But when gay marriage, when the Supreme Court redefined marriage in 2015, the marriage movement pretty much threw up its hands and said, oh well, we tried. Okay. What if the pro-life movement had done that in 1973? Great point. You know, come on, Jack Wilkie. And so there was this doctor in Cincinnati named Dr.

Jack Wilkie, and he made a slideshow. He had these slides of fetal development and lots of people use Dr. Wilkie slides to go around explaining to people. The key issue here is life in the womb. What is it that's in the womb? Is a human being in the womb? And the pro-life movement, never let go of that. Never let go of that. And so my intention is to never let go of the question, what is marriage all about anyway? Why do we need

marriage? What is owed to children? That's what this talk is going to be about. What do we owe to children that marriage gives them that nothing else gives them? And I'm going to give you the ability to make that talk because come on, how much worse does this have to get? We wouldn't be looking at the Dobbs case if Jack Wilkie had thrown up his hands or if Nellie Gray who founded the March for Life, if she had thrown up her hands. You know what I mean? I mean, you know what I mean? I mean, absolutely. For those who are watching from Europe or Australia or wherever,

is this going to be on your podcast? Will you post the talk there or will you put it online? Well, ultimately we will. Ultimately we will. And you can buy a virtual pass to this thing. Good, good. I didn't know we should say that. Even if you can't, come now, we can't send you the bread pudding and the jambalaya. You'll have to get that yourself. But. But go to Summit for Survivors and if you can't make it to Louisiana, you can watch this online. Wow. Wonderful. Yes. Yes. Yes. The whole thing will be online. And then, and then if you've bought the virtual

pass, you'll be given links to the, to the raw video before it's all processed and produced and put out. Because that takes about six months. I mean, think about it, you know, you know, right Neil? I mean, it takes a while to put them out. Right so so yeah that's what we're doing and I'm excited about it and we always have cool people come. This is the thing. I mean you know it's not just me and my cool speakers. I mean you go to this website on this little goober here there's a little QR code. Yeah. You know if you go to the website you'll see the whole list of the speakers and stuff.

So it's not just that batch of cool people, but the attendees who come are very cool people. Always. I had a thought while you were speaking about Roe versus Wade. Yeah. And when this gets overturned. Yeah. So I throw it out here. Yeah. I would like to help build a 20 million dollar church to our blessed mother in Thanksgiving. Oh, let's do it. Where would you put it? Who cares? Let's do it. Let's do it. Pennsylvania, here, Ohio. Think of how many rosaries have

been prayed for the overturning of this evil thing. It's true. And now it's gonna be overturned. What are we gonna do to thank our blessed mother? Yeah, let's do it. 20 million dollars. Yeah, you got 20 million. I don't but I'm gonna get it Man, I believe you Okay, so I have to give her a job after all Do you know what the whole pro-life movement is glued together with women like your wife who are doing it from their kitchen table and Raising the next generation of pro-life warriors bloody men No kidding every old woman I see pray because it usually tends to be these armies of old women praying their rosaries outside of abortion clinics. Man, Satan sees them and he soils himself.

Good, good. See, but this is the real women's movement. This is what I keep saying to people. The pro-life movement is the women's movement. It's the alternative. The crisis pregnancy centers, you go to a meeting of those people, it's 90% women. A few guys show up, their husbands, you know? I mean, it's, it's how come, how come we don't count as the women's movement?

You do. As you say, you are it. The rest is a lie. That's right. That's exactly right. That's right. Where does this go? I mean, we've talked about the breakdown of marriage. Well, first, maybe you've got like contraception breakdown of marriage, abortion, gay, transgender. What's next? Oh, mercy. Well, I thought we were going to leave on a high note. Oh, do you want to leave? We can keep talking.

When's my plane leave? Yeah. So each of the three ideologies that I mentioned, they each have their own end game. And which, you know, sadly you can see from watching what they say, think and do, you know. Okay, so the contraceptive ideology, the end game of the contraceptive ideology is population control. No question about that. Okay, they think there are too many people in the world. What they mean is there are too many people for their needs. Okay? So population control is the bottom, is the endgame of that. That's where they're headed. The divorce

ideology, the endgame of the divorce ideology is contract parenting. The complete severing of biology from the legal definition of parenthood. So this was very clear to me when I was talking about Prop 8 and you know trying to explain why you shouldn't be redefining marriage, because if you're redefining marriage you end up redefining parenthood. Where these people want to go is collections of adults making contracts amongst themselves to decide who gets legal parental rights. And so those contracts can include the purchase of gametes, sperm and eggs, can include the purchase of surrogacy services, and can divide up the care of the children once they're born amongst any combination of people.

That's where these people want to go. Very dark in my opinion, very dark. And then where the gender ideology wants to go, I think people now can see where the gender ideology, where they want to go is the complete removal of male and female from society. Male and female as concepts. Everybody is asexual. Everybody is gender neutral. That's where they want to go. And I think even beyond that is transhumanism. I think that's true. R. How could it not be? J. Yeah. Yeah. In other words, to recreate the body to your own specifications, you know,

there are some very creepy guys who have a lot of money, you know, who have fantasies of uploading their brain into some new thing that's part technology, part human. And yeah, that's where that's where they want to go. So we're not to the bottom of this. This elevator hasn't hit the bottom floor yet. People, you know, just if you're if you're wondering whether now would be a good time to get involved. Now would be now.

Now would be a good time to get involved. Well, now now would be a good time to get involved well let's take a quick break and then come back and I'll talk about is that right yeah it's all right with me I don't know what time is it when's my plane leave when is she leaves at 530 come on break all right we're back are we did? We did it on my camera, but now we're not. There's a quick sneak peek of Neil's face. I just just so everybody knows who's watching, I just called my wife and I went, get down here now.

Not like that. Yeah, but he's really a male chauvinist. I really am. Yeah, I was sure. She said, I don't want to. And I said, submit woman. Anyway, she said, she said, well, should I get out of my pajamas? I'm like, yes.

Another advantage of homeschooling. Anyway, so she'll be here soon. And I want to have her sit in this chair and talk with you, because I think you two will get along like a house on fire. And there'll be some great, there'll be some great conversation there. All right, well, that sounds good to me. But before we do, I want to tell people two things. Please subscribe to this channel and click that bell button.

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I was just making the point that like all totalitarian movements, they hate the world as it actually is and they want to remake the world in their own image and likeness, okay? And so this is where the fantasy ideology comes into play because this is their, you know, the dreamscape that they have in their minds, you know, of how great it's all going to be. But one thing that's, and you were commenting that you thought it was very interesting, the power of the propaganda and the scapegoat and how all that is. I never thought about that clearly before. Yeah. But the other point, as I was reading more and more about these, you know, kind of following

different rabbit trails, you know, to make sure that I was on the right track. Students of totalitarian movements will tell you that they all want to change human nature. So whether it's communism or fascism or, you now the sexual revolution there's always some aspect of human nature that they need to change in order to do the dream okay and that the attempt to change human nature of course always fails but that's the pretext for needing all this power right so when you see that that they hate the world as it actually is, that puts into your mind Gnosticism, because Gnosticism is in some way a revolt against creation and generally our physicality is part of it. And so the sexual revolutionaries, they do, they're at war with

the human body. You know, they hate the human body. They hate, in spite of their desire to indulge it all the time, you know, and their encouragement to indulge it all the time, they resent the limitations of the human body, right? That if you have sex, you don't just get to have pleasure, you may also end up with this lifelong responsibility as a result. They don't like that part, right? So always, and the male and female thing, you can totally see there that it's a Gnostic cult, right? That they hate male and female. It upsets them.

Whatever else is going on in their ideology, they hate male and female. And so it has these aspects of Gnosticism, of being in revolt against our physicality, our physical existence. And then that turns them into a death cult. I mean, you know, if you're at war with the human body, where's that going to end? People die, people get mutilated, you know, people's bodies are harmed. So that's what I mean when I say that. Yeah, I'm a little flippant when I say it, but I don't think so.

I mean, I think it's pointing to something that's really real. I love it. And I think it's accurate. Again, not wanting to be hyperbolic, wanting to use language appropriately. It would seem that the woke left that's pushing these sexual ideologies is a gnostic death cult. Right. At war with the human body, resenting of the human body. Right. This is why I actually am like, would never let my daughters dye their hair blue or pink. This sounds like a tangent, and I don't think it is because tell me about it. I think there's a war with reality.

And I think if you want to make your hair look like a cartoon character, you are in a very small way at war with reality. If you see people who've dyed their hair blue or pink and are obsessed with anime like I'm not crapping on anime, I'm not totally discounting cartoons, but there does seem to be something in that. If I know somebody who's like really into weed, they're also really into like anime

and unnatural ways of looking. Yeah, yeah. It's one thing to dye your hair a different color that's a natural color. That's natural, absolutely. Right, to change your appearance for fun or for whatever reason. But when you want to start dyeing your hair to look like a cartoon character, you're you're venturing into the unreal.

Mm hmm. That's very interesting. What do you think? I never thought I have all sorts of reactions. They may not be true. Like, I also have a thing against ripped jeans. Women with their frigging ripped jeans looks like their legs are bursting out of them. Could we stop this, please? You will look so bad in two minutes from now that's just a matter of taste though and modesty I think yeah well yeah

I know women who I deeply respect who do have ripped jeans so I think the ripped jeans are not generally provocative it depends how ripped we're. You know where we're talking. Yeah, yeah. Anyway, I should fire a field. I suppose that was my fault. Yeah, not to get death cold. All right. So we've talked about where this may end up and we talked about transhumanism. We've talked about even people identifying as animals. And this is what happens. Right.

It's like gay marriage happens. Right. And this and we say, OK, well, how does that not lead to poly polyamory? Polyamory is what you're looking for. And they say that's just the slippery slope argument. You know, this is ridiculous. This is this is not going to happen. And the same thing will be said to those of us who say, OK, well, what's the stop someone for identifying as a beaver or a, you know, rat or a dog?

And I said, that's that's insulting. I promise you, give it 50 seconds and we'll start seeing. Well, there already are people who who have animal fetishes, you know, who do doggy play, you know, it's a it's a domination submission thing between the dog owner and the doggy. That's that's already out there, Matt. I mean, I think it would be good to say something about the slippery slope argument in general,

because when you make that argument, when we make that argument, what we're saying is, here is the principle that you are putting into place, and if we apply that principle, where will that principle lead? If you think that is ridiculous, you need to explain to me what is the argument, what principled argument do you have for a stopping point for this principle being applied, right?

Wonderful, wonderful point. And the fact is, they never give you a stopping point. They never have a principled argument for stopping point. And when people were talking about abortion, you know, it's like, oh, it's only going to be a handful of people are going to want abortions. It's not going to be that big of a deal. And pro-life people said, well, wait a second, if you can take that innocent life, won't this lead to euthanasia? Oh no, no, no, no, that'll never happen. You know, won't it lead to people being aborted after birth? Oh no, no, no, that will never happen. You know, won't it lead to people being aborted after birth?

Oh no, no, no, that will never happen. Well, and we see the arguments for these things and to some extent their implementation, that is happening, you know? So to announce a principle and be unwilling to name the stopping point of that principle, I think we have every right to ask, explain to me why not,

explain to me why not group marriage. Yeah, so when somebody identifies as a different race, as we've seen, right? Right. Why can't I decide that I'm a black man? That's right. Exactly. Yeah.

So I think that's important. We need to give ourselves permission to make that counter argument because what you just did in mirroring their argument, right, is I think accurate. That is how they behave, you know. Oh, that's ridiculous. They pooh-pooh it. And that, you know, that kind of retort is not really an argument. Yes. Right. It's dismissive, right? And I think the perfect response to someone who snorts at or dismisses the question is,

I agree it's ridiculous, tell me why. Right, right. What is your principled stopping point for that? Yeah, you know my friend Scott Yenor, whom I mentioned to you before the break, that we're giving the Scholar of the Year award to, in his most recent book, he talks about the rolling revolution, right, and how they'll

say this is how far they're going for now, right, but if you keep looking at the principle that's been announced, it's never going to just stay there for now. That's not realistic at all. It's pretty interesting. And you know, one of the things I do in the sexual state in this book... We have a link to that below? Yeah. Tell us about this book. Yeah.

Hold it up. Well, yeah. So the thing I wanted to say about it first, I'll tell you about the book in general. Okay. It's called The Sexual State. I love the subtext. What's the... How elite ideologies are destroying lives and why the church was right all along. Yeah. One of the things that I do in this book is to unpack the contraceptive ideology and the propaganda for it. And that means looking at the history of it. So I suppose a lot of your viewers are aware that in 1965, the US Supreme Court enacted Griswold versus Connecticut, which made it, which removed the ability of states to regulate

contraception in any way, basically. What you might not know is that that there was 30 years of attempts in the Connecticut state legislature to legislate that. Okay, so starting in 1935, the forerunner of Planned Parenthood, Margaret Sanger and all those people, went into the legislature of Connecticut and said, we want to remove restrictions on contraception for married women with serious health problems. That's all we want to do. And year after year, the little people who were at that point, it was mostly Catholic immigrants writing into their

state legislators because the Catholic Church told them to do that and they did it. And they would write in and say, you know, that doesn't sound right, that all you're going to do is just ban it, is just make it there for married women with serious health problems. I mean, this is going to lead to all sorts of problems. I mean, what if unmarried people do it? What if high school girls start doing it? No, this will lead to a deterioration of public morality. And these little people saying this again and again. This went on for 30 years, you know, and then the court decision. So you tell me who was right in that whole dispute, you know? Church. The church was right. What is in that whole dispute, you know, church, the church was right. What is the church doing today to combat the Gnostic death cult?

What are the, what are they doing? What aren't they doing? Oh, oh, Matt. Oh, well, the church has done pretty good with the pro-life issue. And I think that, I think that has largely been driven by the laity, but there are plenty of clergy, priests, and bishops, and even Pope Francis, who are solid on the life questions. There are plenty of them who are. On divorce, the Church has done essentially nothing. Essentially nothing. And that's very disheartening. On paper, we still

hold to the indissolubility of marriage. But in fact, with annulments being given out as frequently as they are and on the grounds on which they are, that the Catholic Church is not the witness that it should be, let's put it that way. That's a serious counter witness, right, when Ted Kennedy can get divorced. Is it Ted Kennedy? I think it was Ted Kennedy. Anyway, you know, when people can get divorced and remarried through the annulment process as readily as they do, it's been, it is harmed the Church's witness. And I can also tell you that when no-fault divorce came down, there was virtually no resistance by any religious body anywhere.

I mean, it just kind of snuck through, which is weird when you think about it. But that's pretty much what's happened. Well, what is your opinion then on, because it seems to me that we talked earlier about people are both victims and perpetrators Of the sexual revolution. So in one sense, it seems to me to make sense why we're seeing more Annulments, yeah being handed out because people may not be in a place to Confect the sacrament, right? But you think it's being abused. Well That that's true. Now. But you think it's being abused? Well, that's true now. That wasn't true in 1973 or 1975 or 1980 or, you know,

the cumulative impact of that. And I'm not sure, I don't know enough about canon law and I don't know enough about the history of that to really say when did the slippage really start? So I can't answer that question. But I just can't believe this is the best we can do. And I know some dioceses are making very serious efforts to improve their marriage preparation process

because that's obviously a key element. I know the Diocese of Phoenix went through a very long study period and then implementation period. And I think there will be a lot fewer annulments handed out in Phoenix, because there'll be fewer people who who need it, you know, who think that they need it. But but still, it's scandalous that that it happens so often in the way that it seems to happen.

But I can't believe this is the best we can do. I don't have a solution. Yeah, I know that. That's interesting, because I wasn't here when no fault divorce was handed down. What's difficult is the Gnostic death cult. No, that's interesting because I wasn't here when no fault divorce was handed down. What's difficult is the Gnostic death cult chooses their slogans very well and would say what you want someone to be an abusive marriage. Oh, yes.

And so nobody wants to do that. And so that's exactly what we want. Of course, of course, of course, you know. I mean, interestingly enough, of course not. Of course we don't want people to be in abusive marriages, but the church doesn't require that or ask that of anybody. You can get a legal separation that is protective in a situation of that kind, first of all. But the real issue is getting married again. That's the real issue is, do we allow people to

attempt a second marriage? Now in Catholic theology there is no second marriage, right? There's one marriage. If it's not valid, it's not a marriage and therefore you're free to marry again. So that's the way a proper Catholic theological understanding would work. And it has come to my attention, I can tell you how in a minute if you want, but it's

come to my attention in the Philippines, they have essentially Catholic marriage law, which is you can get a separation, which would have a lot of the properties of a civil divorce, but you do not get the permission to marry again. Okay? So, okay, well, let's think that through. Let's think that through. You got a guy who's really abusive or a woman who's really immature and you're going to annul their marriage or you're going to allow them to separate on whatever you want to call that separation.

Now, if we let them remarry, it's not simply the innocent spouse who gets to remarry and now have a happy life, but the abusive spouse, the immature spouse, the crazy spouse, they get to remarry too. They get to go inflict themselves on some other unsuspecting family. How does this add up? I mean, if there really is a problem there that makes that makes it either abusive or the marriage isn't valid or whatever, you're so immature you can't contract another marriage, why would you be mature enough now to try this again? Wait a second.

And I've actually heard of a case where a tribunal said that to somebody, hey, you convinced us that you were immature and unstable, mentally unstable, couldn't contract marriage. So before you think about getting married again, you got to prove to us that you are now mature and stable. And I think there's a Latin term for it. Interesting. You're saying this was a church that said this? Yeah, this is the tribunal. The person received an annulment, but with this proviso, you know,

one party is free to marry again because the marriage is... there's no marriage. They're free to marry. But the person who convinced us that she was crazy, you're not free to marry. Until you do X, Y, or Z, you know know. Yeah. So that's kind of an interesting, I had not heard of that before, but it, but it made sense to me. My point in bringing up the, well, you just want people in an abusive marriage point was just to say that I think this is why we see so many bishops not fulfilling their role to, to, to proclaim the truth is because they're afraid, like maybe many of us are afraid that they're going to be called all sorts of names. And gay marriage thing.

I mean, where are the bishops on this thing? Where are they on sodomy? Where are they on transgenderism? I think we both know the answer to that question. You want me to say it? I want you to elucidate it. There are too many queers in the clergy, man. Make that a short. I mean, I'm sorry, they're just are. You know, they're not going to speak out against it. They're morally compromised,

let's put it that way. So whether you yourself are engaged in sodomy, if you're involved, if you are, if you have somebody superior to you who is, you know, there are so many networks and complications that just a lot of people are compromised and they're afraid to speak out. That's, yeah. I mean, when we worked on Prop 8, I did not realize everything that was going on behind the scenes because we had Bishop Corleone helping us. Prop 8 originated in San Diego and he was auxiliary Bishop of San Diego at that time.

And he was the guy who really spearheaded a lot of the things and raised the money to get it on the ballot and put together the interfaith coalition, so on and so forth. So I thought, we thought, the Catholic Church is on board. This is great. Bishop Corleone is our, he's our guy. But it became clear that there were a lot of clergy who wouldn't even let you collect signatures for the petition at their churches, you know. And so, over time, you know, I just got, we had a little thing we were trying to market to people, you know, we had a little DVD series, you series, same-sex marriage affects everyone, can you tell people about it, so on and so forth.

We found we had better luck with the deacons at the parish than with the priests. Well, after a while you figure out you've just got too many gay men in those offices and they're not going to open their mouths about it. No matter what they might think, and there can be a variety of motives, but that's reality of what we're dealing with here. Now, how that translates into silence on transgenderism, it shouldn't follow, but maybe it does, I don't know.

And then you add to that the fear of being called names and things like that. It's just it's too big of a step for them. How do you think? Do you think? I mean, I mean, well, I shouldn't. Yes, I think so. No, you can press me. I think that I take it as gospel that we're all cowards unless proven otherwise. I tend to be. Yeah.

I don't like pain. I don't like being called names. It makes tend to be. Yeah. I don't like pain. I don't like being called names. It makes me feel bad. Yeah. I like to be liked. I like people to celebrate me. Right. I want them to say lots of nice things in the YouTube comment section, which they don't,

the bastards. But I would like to think that by God's grace, I will act in a way that's right. Yeah. Despite not feeling liked. Right. I do think this is one of the things I keep telling folks, and I wonder if you agree, and I don't know how you could disagree. We ought to praise those bishops that make heroic decisions.

No kidding. And maybe they're not heroic. Like, maybe it's not a heroic decision that cordlione ban Pelosi from communion. Maybe it's like, duh. But you've got to think the amount of hate and ridicule that's going to come his way. OK, whatever problem you have with Cordiglione, put that to one side for now.

Yeah, right. Let your praise be louder than the Gnostic death cults, shouts, and screams and incoherent slogans right now, because if we take for granted that humans are usually cowardly, or it's at least easier to be cowardly than not, then let every bishop on Twitter

like see your praise for these men so that they will take heart and begin to say true things publicly. Like, why isn't every bishop making a statement about this so-called gay month? Yeah. I mean, it's I understand the the objection. We shouldn't give it more airtime than it already has. But for goodness sake, we're all being it's all being force fed down our throats.

I'm not sure why every bishop isn't making a public stance against this. Their silence is... Right, right. It's scandalous. The silence is scandalous. And I agree with you. This is a principle that we learn from parenting disturbed children. One of the things, not that the bishops are disturbed children. Edit that. Don't make a short out of that, okay? No, but it's a principle of human relations. You gotta catch them doing something right. You're gonna get more of what you put attention on. So if you jump up and down and praise something that you wanna see, that's extremely important

that you do that. And we were always told when we had bad kids or problem kids, correct them in the lowest key manner possible. Do not scream. Do not get all upset because they like that. They like seeing you. I mean this is a little bit off the beaten track. No it's a great point. It's a great analogy. Yes. You get the point. You get the point. You know, oh you did what? You got a bad kid. They're like hey that was kind of fun. Look at the power.

I have. Look at that. Well I'm gonna do to do that again, you know? But in the meantime, you know, so the alternative is, wow, you folded that laundry perfectly. That is an A plus job of folding laundry. You know, whatever it is, you know? So we actually, some years ago, you know, dealing with dealing with all these questions and issues, we started something that we call Roses from Ruth. We actually, from time to time, send a dozen white roses to a bishop to thank him for doing something.

That is terrific. It is terrific. It's a lot of fun. It took us a while to kind of figure out how to do it and to get the bugs out of it and whatnot. It started really with Amoris Laetitia, because you remember what a hot mess that was and still is in my opinion. Amoris Laetitia makes me very angry,

I'll say for the record, the confusion that that document has created is not helpful at all to anyone, okay, in my opinion. And it's a slap in the face to the abandoned spouse, it's a slap in the face to the abandoned spouse. It's a slap in the face to the children of divorce. And it's not consistent with the Church's teaching. It is not. So, but people were trying to say, there were some bishops who were saying, we can interpret this document in keeping with the tradition, and in our diocese

we're going to interpret this document in keeping with the tradition and in our diocese we're going to interpret this document in keeping with the tradition. And so what we did was, oh, we're gonna congratulate that guy, you know, we're gonna say something positive about that guy for saying that. And that's what started it and then since then we recently, for instance, the Bishop of Arlington made a very good teaching document on transgenderism. We sent him roses and Father Sullins and I happened to be in town and so we went and met with him in his office and you know all of that kind of stuff.

Such a good idea. Pat him on the back. Yeah. How do you know where to send the roses to? You just send them to the... Oh you schmooze. You got to schmooze with the church secretary. You guys are, hey I'd love to send us. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We should do that quarterly only. Imagine how many people watching right now. We could come up with a campaign.

We could send him so many roses that he becomes sick of them. Do you know what? When he came out with that document, see, I think that what Coeur d'Alene did, I think he has had this very carefully planned because literally a year ago to the day, just, or close to it, he issued a teaching document on the Eucharist. I forget now what it was called. But we sent him flowers for that document.

Oh, this is a great document. Thumbs up. You know, good going. And then he had that campaign of people praying for Nancy Pelosi, and he sent her flowers for praying for, roses for Nancy or prayers for Nancy or something like that. So he had this all very carefully laid out in a sense to make sure that he had done everything he could do. Out of love for her. Yeah, to love her and to give her every chance, to give her every possibility of reform and repentance. And you know, and so he went into that, he went into a major confrontation

with a plan. He didn't shoot from the hip. And I think a lot of your armchair quarterbacks do not realize what's involved in actually trying to accomplish something. If you want to, oh, he should close down the gay pride masses in San Francisco. Yeah, he should. But good luck with that. What kind of plan would he need to execute that? Because if you go into it and then you have to back down or you fail, then you're worse

off than you were to start with. So you don't want to do that. The armchair quarterbacks never think about that. You know, they think, just say something, you know. And that's not always the wisest course, you know. So I think it's very important that whatever issues you might have with Archbishop Cordelion, that you thank him now. Will everyone go do that? If you're on Twitter, first of all, I'm sorry.

If you are, it was your fault. Go to Twitter, find the latest thing he posted and write, thank you. Thank you for being a good bishop. Like flood him with thanks, not just to embolden him, but so that other bishops might see how they get praise. Exactly, exactly. You know, a couple years ago, Bishop Tobin of Providence, Rhode Island did say something about the gay pride. Yeah, I saw that. It was great. I actually brought attention to it on June 1st this month.

But a few years ago. It was a couple years ago. A few years ago he did it, yes. Our people did not help him enough. I remember thinking, the bad guys have like a thousand people on his porch. Do you remember that? The gay lobby went nuts, of course, you know, and they had all these people yelling at him and then people said, oh, he backed down. Well, he didn't really back down. You know, he didn't and he did it again this year, didn't he? I don't know if he did it again.

I hope he bloody did. He should. I thought he did. I thought I saw that. Well, maybe I'm mistaken. Sometimes people repost things that took place a couple of years ago. Yeah, maybe I'm mistaken. I don't tweet a tweet.

I don't. I don't. I stay away from it. Good for you. Yeah, I don't like it. I don't like it. But I have somebody else do my tweets for me. Yeah, I'm not there.

They think I'm there. But it's an illusion. Oh, that's not very honest of you, man. Yeah, well, I bet you click on those things that said I have read the terms and conditions all the time. Well, I bet you click on those things that said I have read the terms and conditions. All the time. We are going a long time in purgatory for those things. But you know the one thing I can't do that my wife wishes I would do? What's that?

I can't lie if somebody asked me a direct question because I think it's always wrong. And so when I'm asked by my life insurance guys, do you use tobacco products? Yes. My wife in the next room is like, I'm going to kill you. But only after you get the less amount of life insurance you should have got if you have lied you idiot She doesn't say it is but it's funny. Well, what about what's going on with father James Martin? What's he doing these? I don't know. Oh my gosh. What you hang out me to follow you hang out with him I don't know. I not only don't hang out with him. I I don't I'd I

Don't follow him particularly. I mean, I know he's up to no't I. I don't follow him particularly. I mean, I know he's up to no good, but I don't follow him. I mean, that that's an eighth amendment violation, you know. What is the eighth amendment? Cruel and unusual punishment. Cruel and unusual. So it's not enough to be cruel. It has to be. This isn't our constitution, Matt. Okay. This is an American thing. All the Americans know what I'm talking about.

Cruel and unusual punishment. Did you know that that was the Eighth Amendment? Be honest. I'd heard it, but I didn't remember. I could not have told you the Eighth Amendment was that. No, no. That's a lawyer thing. That's a lawyer thing.

That's a lawyer joke that they will say that... I had never heard that either until I was hanging around with lawyers and then they go, yeah, this is an Eighth Amendment violation. Oh, yeah, cruel and unusual punishment Well, we have questions that have come in from our very attractive supporters Oh, yeah, we don't take questions from people who aren't attractive, but just by becoming a supporter you actually become attractive. That's another lie But let's see if I can find some here. There are That's another lie. But let's see if I can find some here. Is that all right?

I'm hoping we haven't. We haven't offended enough people yet by this conversation so far. Ask ask the people in the live chat. Are you offended? All right, let's see. Now, I haven't read these ahead of time, so I can't vouch for them. Jennifer Lindler, Linda Lindner. Thank you.

Says Matt and Dr. Morse, like all of us here, I imagine I just cannot get over the continuing damage that ardent feminists, the LGBT community, the transgender community, et cetera, are perpetuating on young people. The videos coming out of the drag competition with children are beyond the pale. There's a lot that's beyond the pale. That's one of those things. Yeah. Aside from continuing to speak the truth, point to scripture and be examples of uprightness

as much as we can in our own families and communities, how are we going to actually reveal the toxicity of the darkness and turn this around? This culture, if that's what this is, I don't think we live in a culture, this culture is so entrenched in degradation that it does seem impossible. And I find myself often in despair. Love your work, Matt.

Mother of three. This is Jennifer? Yeah. Okay. So, hi, Jennifer. So, you need to pick out something that you can do, that you can actually accomplish, and one place that you can accomplish things. I'm not familiar with these drag queen competitions, okay? But I am familiar with the drag queen story hours in the libraries. And I'm familiar with some of the objectionable books

that are in libraries, including school libraries. And you need to pick a project with a handful of other dedicated moms and stick to it like a dog with a bone. That you're gonna show up to these events, you're gonna do counter protests, you're gonna do something about something. So pick, everyone can do something.

None of us can do everything that needs to be done, but everyone can do something. And the drag queens story hours, they can be resisted. Getting the books out of the library, that can be resisted. And one thing you could do is just go take out all the books to the library, go to your local library, check them out, check out every gay book you can find and then never bring them back. Yeah. Yeah. Just pay for that. That'd be a great service. Maybe I'll do that this afternoon. Yeah.

And I know other people who have, in fact, my activists of the year, Matt, have written a couple of books that are suitable for kids on these topics. And one of the things they do is they go to libraries and say, wouldn't you like to have this in your library? Okay? So there are a number of things that you can do even as a small group of individuals, you can do something.

I mean, look at what the angry parents did in Virginia. They overturned, basically, they turned around the election for governor. It was those angry parents showing up at school board meetings that made it very clear what the dividing line was. So I understand that you feel overwhelmed, but pick out something and do it. Meier, who is a local supporter, says, any advice for married women without kids? Should they work or leave their job if possible? And engage other activities?

Household, local parish, etc.? I think that's a matter of discretion. You know, I don't think it's nearly as important if you don't have kids or if your kids are grown and gone. Okay, so that's my story. I mean, I was part-time for a long time and then came back to it when the kids left home.

But you need to do it in cooperation with your spouse and considering all of the circumstances of your state in life, you know, and what's gonna be best for your family. You know, maybe you have grandchildren who need you or you have an ailing spouse. You know, you're gonna have different, the answer's gonna be different in all those circumstances but

the concern take a seat about about this is my working is she's got you a soda thank you thank you very much all right you are Cameron yes hi Cameron nice to meet you I was gonna ask dr. Morris one more question then I Nice to meet you. I was going to ask Dr. Morris one more question, then I want to make you sit here and talk to her. If that's OK. I would love to. All right. You seem like a nice person. Yeah, I remember. Jack says, I ask this as someone who is married outside the church. Should we stop referring to secular legal unions as marriages?

I argue that it wasn't recognition of homosexual unions that redefine marriage. It was the notion that the state has as of homosexual unions that redefine marriage, it was the notion that the state has as much ability to actualize a marriage as God and the Church. What a question. Well, I'm also married to a non-Catholic, but the Church recognizes the concept of a natural, of a marriage that, and I'm married in the Church, I'm married to a non-catholic, but inside the church. We conceded control of marriage to the state a long time ago in that respect. The issue that troubles me more than this question, so to answer your first question,

people who are not married in the church are still validly married and or can be still validly married and the church would recognize that. So if you come to marry, I think the presumption is that your marriage is valid. If it is a valid marriage, it's presumed that is. For example, if you have a, if I marry my wife outside of the church without dispensation, right? This is presumably invalid, right? Even though it might be a marriage legally, but if two protestants get married in their protestant church or wherever else That's presumed to be married. The church presumes that to be an actual marriage. It's not a sacramental marriage married. The church presumes that to be an actual marriage. It's not a sacramental marriage. It's not. No, it would be. If two baptized Christians are married, two baptized Protestants

are married, it's both sacramental and valid. But it doesn't have the fullness of the graces. Sure. Yeah. But being both Christian, but being baptized, that would qualify them. The baptism is an important point in canon law and whatnot. But anyway, the one part of what you're saying that I want to affirm that I think is right is that we did give up too much before we got to the gay marriage state. But as far as I'm concerned, the issue was no fault divorce. Because when we redefined, no fault divorce also redefined marriage. And that's why I favor this terminology. The court redefined marriage, that's what the issue was. They didn't institute so-called gay marriage, they redefined the legal definition of marriage. And no fault divorce redefined marriage from being a presumably permanent and a presumably

exclusive union of a man and a woman. That was humongous. That was a major step because as soon as you say it's no longer presumably permanent and there's no such thing as a marital fault, then it's also the case that it's no longer presumably sexually exclusive. Okay, so we lost both permanence and sexual exclusivity with that move. Well, now marriage is something that two men might be interested in. They wouldn't be the slightest bit interested in it if it was for life and you could only get divorced for cause. And if adultery was considered a marital fault, two gay men, trust me, would not be the slightest bit interested in that. Okay? It was already because it had been degraded so badly.

You know, there's kind of nothing left. I shouldn't say nothing left, but it, you know, a lot of its core features had already been seriously damaged that it became prey, you could say, or that's not the word I'm looking for, but you know what I mean? Well, who's this guy? It's been hollowed out. Yes, that's a good way of putting it. I forget who asked that. But thank you. Thank you for that question though. It's important. Paul Ambrow, thank you for being a patron, Paul.

He says, perhaps it's cynical, but is the way out of this for us faithful Catholics to have more babies, raise them sheltered from this garbage and let the deviants sterilize themselves? I'd get along really well with this dude. Eventually, we'll win out. And then he says demographically. Problem is, I mean, if you're having babies and then feeding to the public schools, you're just feeding disciples of the Gnostic death cult. The thing, the problem is, I mean, I have tremendous sympathy with this argument, let me say.

I think that having more babies is a solution to many problems. Let's put it that way. But they're not going to leave you alone, Paul. You know, they're not going to leave you alone. In fact, the reason they're so aggressive is because we're winning this war. They don't have kids of their own. They're going to come after yours. They're going to do it.

So, it's not enough to have more babies. You still have to protect them. And you won't be able to completely protect them by doing some kind of Benedict option or something. They're going to come after you. So one way or the other, you've got to be prepared to draw a line in the sand and fight you know so sorry you're not being cynical I hope I'm not being cynical I hope we're both being realistic here it's not enough to be merely defensive correct you can't win on defense. Can I say that again you can't win on defense somebody's gotta put some points on the board yeah. But he's got to put some points on the board. Yeah.

Kyle Whittington says, Dr. Morse, you mentioned junk science and on that topic, it seems like when those with PhDs are the ones muddying the waters, what chance do normal folks stand in seeking the truth? God help us. What should we do to help prepare our children for this academic pandemonium? Well, you've just got to be discerning about who you trust. I think that's the main thing. I think it's perfectly okay to trust your common sense. A lot of people learn to do that over COVID, I think. People came to realize that these things aren't adding up. They cascaded

too many lies too close together, and people can figure out this is not adding up. They cascaded too many lies too close together, you know, and people can figure out this is not It's not adding up and if you use your common sense Well, you know you have you have some chance but you do have to have some people that you trust and the sad truth Is we're losing science, you know Matt Modern man is very proud of his science, you know We gave up religion because we thought we had science and technology Well, we're losing all that right if all we have is If science is whatever the guy with the checkbook says it is and that's increasingly what we're dealing with here

Then it's not science, right? So I think a measure of skepticism is important and then you need to seek out people who? Attempt to do what we attempt to do in our in our own little area you know well actually it's a pretty big area um uh you know to seek out the material that we put together to try to counter some of these uh false narratives. There's another guy out there that I interviewed on my podcast and I'm gonna blank on his name it's gonna take me a minute to come up with his name. He's got an organization. He's got an organization that is concerned

with debunking stuff. And I think it might be called Just Facts. I think it's called Just Facts. And I interviewed this guy on my podcast, I don't know, over a year ago now. But he has whole sections where he goes through and debunks the current Wokester myth, your urban myth, whatever it is.

I think that's what it's called, just facts? Yeah, I think it's called just facts. Neil? I'm looking. But junk science is a big problem. Yeah. I mean, what's interesting is that it's not like they're talking about esoteric, nuanced things that aren't discernible to the naked eye. They're saying obvious false things

that it takes a PhD to believe. If I tell you men can become women and it's okay to kill the innocent and you should have your child's breasts removed, you're an idiot. You are outside of the realm of rationality. And so it might help you not to have a PhD in that. I think Paul, this is Paul Ambrose, is that who asked this question? I think it's appropriate sometimes to just say, this is so stupid, I don't have to refute it. Go away. And that's what we need to be saying to Richard Levine, calls himself Rachel. Right? You know who I'm talking about. I've heard the name. So this is, oh, this is the guy he.

We're definitely going to get banned from YouTube, which I'm fine with. I just want everyone to remember, matfrad.locals.com. Go. Misgender somebody. Yeah. So this guy, Richard Levine, he calls himself Rachel. He's assistant something or other. Oh, yes.

Department of Health and Human Services. Bless him. Whatever. And they made him an admiral and he's the first transgender admiral. I mean, yeah. Oh, we deserve to be destroyed as a country. You know, come on. No, no, no, no.

I don't have to believe that. In fact, we made a meme out of this one time. You can change your name. Changing your name to Rachel doesn't make you a woman any more than changing your name to Daffy makes you a duck. But you can legally change your name to Daffy Duck if you want. Yeah. Yeah. Wouldn't. Yeah. Doesn't make you a duck though. Right. I want to invite you. Are you okay, Karnsson-Chering? Yeah. Yeah. Maybe you could. I was thinking of how this could like, this conversation could start. I would love you to tell her, tell Dr. Morse,

how you first heard about the theology of the body and how that began to unravel the false beliefs you had held and were taught. And as soon as you need to go, we'll just end abruptly. What's that? Whenever you want to go. Oh, I don't know. We promise you we'll get you to the airport on time.

All right. Thanks honey. Hello. Hi Cameron. So I'm coming in super cold because I was at home taking care of kids and not watching this. So just, you know, I haven't heard anything up to this point. Yeah. Okay. I mean, I heard those last two questions, which was great.

Right, right, right. Well, you've heard since you've been in here, you've heard what's going on. But anyway, have you ever heard of me before? I haven't, I'm sorry. I'm like, people are always like, oh, so and so. And I'm like, I don't know. Like, unless my kids are talking about people,

I don't really keep track of who's who. Right, right, right. Well, anyway, Matt asked you this question about theology of the body. Sure. So tell me about that. Yeah, so I was raised very much in suburbia, all over the country, actually,

but very suburban, typical Bostonian Irish Catholic families. So like we went to Mass on Sunday when we're in town, but you don't when you're on vacation because Jesus knows you're on vacation. I don't think I was taught what we believed as Catholics. But we went to sometimes depending on where we live, sometimes it was Catholic schools, sometimes it wasn't, but we weren't very educated, faithful Catholics. We were more cafeteria Catholics. And then when I was 18 or 19 years old, I was doing net ministries in Canada and I was dealing with health issues and I was really sick and I just was in a lot of pain at night and I wasn't sleeping. And so I was like, I'll put

on a movie. And so there was VH, I'm gonna date myself here, VHS tapes, you know? And so I put one on and it said theology of the body. I'm like, what's this? And I put it on and there was just like all these naked images of like the Sistine Chapel. Like it was beautiful, but I was like, what in the world is this?

I turned it off. I'm like, I don't know who's, what is this? Like we're supposed to be, you know, preaching chastity and these are naked paintings. And I, like, I was just taken back by it. Um, I think I also through high school, I very much got my worth in, um, in my body and my looks. And like, I was kind of, kind of trained in a way that like my mom would tell us like, girls, you're very pretty. And my mom mom would say I was a tomboy so often I wouldn't do my hair or makeup and my mom would be like Cameron if you just did your hair makeup you could get a guy I don't really care I don't but I did fall into that where I was

definitely looking from attention from guys in the wrong way and so kind of had a conversion experience and was more like okay guarded and so the next morning I asked my teammates I'm like what the heck who's whose videos are these? There's like all these naked paintings of people. And they're like, oh, Father Dale brought it over. I'm like, the priest brought it over? Okay. So I played it again the next night, same thing.

I'm up at night. So I play it. I listened to all three VHS tapes. It was probably like, I don't know, six, seven hours all night. And I was livid. I was so angry. And I was like, who the heck is this guy? First of all, it was Christopher West, who's a good friend of ours. I love him. He's wonderful. But I was angry at him. And I was angry at the church because where was this five years ago when I needed

it, when I was in high school and I was, I didn't know that my body was good and beautiful and a gift from God. I didn't know it was a gift from God. No, no, I thought it was to get a guy to then get married and you know, whatever, further my life. But I had no idea. I felt like I had been lied to and robbed and cheated. Yeah, she did very much cheated because I, um, I was taught to be classy. So you wear something low cut and then something longer or something short and then high cut. So like not, not trashy, you know, classy, but still revealing way too much skin. But like, like I, I very much got confidence from like, oh yeah, I got everyone in this room to turn their head and notice me, you know, like that empowered, like that's part of being a

woman and our feminine beauty. And so I was really angry because I wasn't taught this. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. May I ask, I revealed earlier on, I was born in 1953. What year were you born? 81. 81. Okay. And the reason I ask is that I find that women's experience varies a lot by when they were born because things change so quickly. Yeah. So this was probably in 2000. So I graduated high school in 2000.

So this is like 2001, 2002. So by that time, the sexual revolution is in full swing, but you were not in a position where you were being promiscuous or something like that that wasn't part of your story but there was still this use use of the body yes yeah a use of the body and then and then I also kind of went from extreme like public high school you know everybody partying all weekend long whatever happens happens so like yeah and then kind of had like a bit of a conversion experience and now I'm with Catholics that are trying to practice their faith.

And so I'm in this, but I was just in that more party scene. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so there's an anger and like, if I had known this, then I wouldn't have been doing that. And I knew that I was finding my worth in relationships with guys. And that really angered me as well. Yeah, and what made you so angry about that?

I don't know. I think anger's like my natural, like I think different people have different emotions that they go to. Mine's always anger. I'm like, I'm really happy and excited. And then I just get angry. I don't know.

It's where- Well, it's not an irrational anger. It's something needs to change. And I need to, I need, there's an injustice's something needs to change and I need to. I need there's an injustice here that needs to be remedied. Yes. Irrationally angry very often. No, no, no. That's fair. And in our daughters, the same we have repeated.

Repeat it because I'm sorry. So I picked up on the mic again. So I was saying, I think your anger is very often a righteous one in which you see an injustice that you believe needs to be remedied. Yes. And it moves you to that action. Yes. Very infrequently. Even when you have been, I think last night at one point, maybe a little bit irrationally angry, but for the most part, not.

You're not that way. Yeah, no. And it's yeah. And I do think that I like I keep my cool in it. It's not like I like explode, but it's like if something's being done, that's not OK to be done. Like I'm going to intervene and be like, this is what needs to happen. And I will correct people, especially people that no one else will correct,

I will correct them. So like, I was like the queen of like telling other kids what to do on playgrounds because I'm like, well, listen, their parents aren't correcting them, listen. And so I go up to a little boy who's like punching people or pushing them and be like, look them in the eye and be like, look at me, you can't do that. I'm gonna ask you to leave the playground

if you keep punching or pulling. And how old were you when you were doing this? Oh, I did it from the time I was a kid, but even as an adult. Yeah, right, right, right. And I have a daughter who's very much the same way and just more direct. And I think to, if I can,

I think the reason you were angry to get to your question was that there was an injustice that had been done, namely you were not taught the truth. Yes. Yes, I was not taught the truth and I wish I had because if I hadn't taught the truth, I would have behaved much differently. Right, right, right. And this is the downside of people being nice or thinking they're being nice, right? By avoiding confrontation, by avoiding dealing with the troublesome issues, people are being cheated. People are being cheated out of their birthright. Now, you know, it's funny, you talked about body image. I wondered if you had body image issues,

because a lot of young women have that, you know, regardless of what they're doing sexually. You know, they may be being pure, but they have the idea that their worth comes from how they look. Yeah, so I think part of my, so I have a sister that's 14 months older than me, and she was homecoming queen, prom queen, voted best looking in the class, like she was just everything you want your, or my parents wanted in a daughter they had in her. And then I was 14 months later and I was the tomboy and I would say stuff that you're not supposed to say. I would act in a way.

And so actually I was really big into sports. And so I feel like when I started developing, I got angry. I was like, this is ridiculous. I got to relearn how to swing the softball bat now. And so like I, yeah. So I think if I was, and so I'm thankful that I was raised when, yeah. So I think if I was, and so I'm thankful that I was raised when I was, cause I think if I was raised now,

I would have been convinced that, Cameron, look how much you're not like your sister. Any of your sisters, you're really a boy. You're really a boy. And I would get angry when I was in second or third grade, I actually, there was a boy that wasn't letting me play soccer. And he said, I'm not gonna let you play

unless you make me let you play. And I was like, all right. Punched him in the face, he got a bloody nose. And I took it as an insult. And all my friends are like, oh, you did not call Cameron a girl. I knew I was a girl, but I took it as a, the way he was saying it was an insult.

So I maybe broke his nose and then played soccer for a couple of minutes until I got in trouble. But yeah, I took it as an insult, right? And I thought I could do anything a guy could do, but I could do it better because I'm a girl. But if I was raised today, I think that I would have had multiple therapists, parents, everyone be like,

obviously you identify as a boy. Before mass is even over, you're taking your skirt off. I had shorts on underneath, it was modest, I promise. So I can run around and play soccer with all the guys. Yeah. I had a sister who was like that. Oh, really? Yeah. Yeah. Who was, you know, she was active in sports all the way into adulthood. She was on a softball team, you know, corporate, corporate softball league and all that kind of thing, you know? And, and, you know, you really, you look at it and you shudder to think what, you know, what could happen to these kids today. The one dear friend of mine named Erin Brewer, she had this kind of experience.

It was worse than what you're describing, if you don't mind. I don't know where you want to go with this, Matt. No, let's go, let's go. Yeah, but I think you'll appreciate this story. So Erin, she and her brother, when she was six years old, she and her brother were accosted by two men and she was sexually assaulted and her brother was not. So in her little six year old mind she said, I'll be a boy, that will keep me safe. And so she tried to, you know, get her hair cut and you know, just as a little six year old just

trying to be a boy. And fortunately, there were sensitive people in her life who realized something's wrong. It took a while for her to finally talk about the abuse itself, but there were people who were able to say to her, you know, no, you don't have to be angry, you don't have to punch people, you aren't really a boy, you're going to be fine as a girl. And so now Erin is an on fire activist on this issue

because she's loving, if this had happened today, I would have been ushered right into this whole path and where would I be? I would never be a mom today. And you know, all the wonderful things that I've been able to do as a woman, because I am a woman, you know, and it's okay to be a woman. Praise God, yeah.

Or if someone had approached like, oh, you're getting upset that you're developing in the chest. Take these pills. There's no side effects. We'll just delay puberty. Yeah, oh, it's so wrong. I would have jumped at it.

Yeah. And I am so thankful that my parents didn't do that with me. I don't think it was an option back then, but I'm so grateful that they didn't. Because in those days, I wasn't really, I wasn't interested in boyfriends. Like eventually I did, but that was more like high school. And it was normally, so I would, I don't really I wasn't interested in boyfriends like eventually I did but that was more like high school And it was normally so I would I don't know just be seen and known right and so it was more that But it came I was captain in the wrestling team in high school like I was very tomboy girls wrestling team

Yeah, there were Texas. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, so you grew up in Texas. I graduated from high school in Texas Okay, we're at the Woodlands High School. I know where that is Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. So you grew up in Texas? I graduated from high school in Texas. Okay. Where at? The Woodlands High School. I know where that is. Oh, do you? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Lake Charles is just 30 miles from the Texas border. You know, so.

Oh, very good. Yeah. Yeah. So anyway. Yeah. We lived in Mandeville, Louisiana. So I do the drive across all the time. Somebody mentioned that to me. Mandeville. Yeah. Okay. This is adding up now in my mind. Yeah. Yeah.

So I normally say I'm from Texas, Louisiana, but I moved there when I was probably like junior high-ish. But there was a girls wrestling team and you were captain of the wrestling team. Yeah, but there was like very few of us and a lot of guys. And so like, we were all together all the time, but we just wrestled the girls. Cause girls are top heavy. So anyone out there that is a wrestler,

do not wrestle girls. Okay. We went to put our son in wrestling and I was talking to the coach, I'm like, I don't want him wrestling girls. And then someone overheard or whatever, and they're like, are you like anti-girl wrestling? And I was like, no, I'm sorry.

I was one of actually the first female wrestlers in this country or anywhere, I'm sure. I'm like, no, I'm very pro, but girls are top heavy. It's not fair. And I'm also raising my young son to be a gentleman and not to hurt women. And it's like, unless you're in the ring, then you pin her, you get her down. You grab her around the crotch and throw her over. Yes. Yeah. Yeah.

No, you're very- Do you know, I have an image that I sometimes use in my PowerPoint slides and it's an image of a boy who declared himself a girl and who therefore won the girls wrestling match. And this is an affair Eighth grade or something like that and the image is of the referee holding up the guys arm and the look on the referees face it's like You know just like discuss discuss Disgust and it's not okay. No, it's not and we we had Coach didn't want us wrestling with the guys But sometimes when he wasn't around we would. Sure. But that 95 pound guy could beat all the girls. Yeah. Up to

like the 215. Yeah. Just because of the way his body is built. Right. Right. Like like in wrestling every pound counts when the 95 against like a 165, the 165 should cream them. Right. But that 95 guy would girl. Yeah versus a girl. Yeah. Yeah, but then in our own weight classes We were pretty much on par with each other But yeah, I think anybody with their eyes halfway open realizes that trans Allowing boys to compete in girls sports is the end of women's sports I don't understand how anyone can say that they're like a feminist or pro women and be okay with this It's like no, no, no no this is abuse and robbery from us. So this is what

something Matt and I talked about earlier, you know, before you joined us is that a lot of these issues they aren't really what they say they are. So really it was never about women in sports. It was always about power. You know, it was always about going around shutting down boys wrestling programs because they're too... I don't know if you remember this, but this was the thing in the Clinton era. The Title IX of the Civil Rights Act requires equality in sports for boys and girls, and what they took that to mean was equal numbers of sports, equal numbers of participants, even though any idiot knows

more boys are interested in sports than girls. So you have as many opportunities as possible, you're not going to get equal numbers. Okay? So what they did was they went around and shut down boys wrestling programs and swimming programs. And they invented things for girls. They turned dance into a sport because girls would be interested in that, right? And so all of that to equality, access, women's sports, you know. Well, so you look back on that and you look at Title IX, the same Title IX is now what Obama used to say you have to let people participate in their preferred gender, which is destroying women's sports, right? So it was not about women's sports, it was about power.

That is so interesting because I was in school, right? During the Clinton era, I was in school and there was programs, like I remember we would do these presidential fitness awards and there was different standards for the girls versus the boys, but it was like a big thing and I always like got the blue, I don't know, I think it was like a patch or something, but it was this push for and I and I was one of the first Girls on the all-boys soccer team. So that's interesting that you're that you're saying I'm like, oh gosh Sorry everyone that I was a part of that But you as kids it's not your fault No, it's like what the heck are these adults thinking, you know

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event has been cancelled after backlash from the community. I won't continue to read, but that's good news. Yeah, exactly. And that's happening all over the place and people need to take heart from that and you need to get active in it. You need to get active. You need to be part of it. Because the fact is that these things start in the big cities but the activists care about the books in the library in every little burgh in Texas and every little burgh in North Carolina you know if they aren't there now they will be there you know the professions have been corrupted and the activists have their you know have their their push everywhere you know and so you need to resist. So that's great.

Thank you for sharing. Maybe we can conclude with a final thought and then if it's okay with you, we'll swap back out. Unless you have more to talk about. And so that's just like how the cultic death, whatever. I called this the Gnostic death cult. I called the sexual revolution a Gnostic death cult because they are at war with the human body.

And that's why Christopher West's stuff and Pope John Paul's stuff is so, why that's so important. Why that was so- Yeah, it's the bomb to the soul. Yeah, how so prescient on his part, on John Paul's part, to realize that this is what needed to be said. Yeah, and I think that people are starved for it. So the joke was after I experienced

the theology of the body, I couldn't, everyone would joke that, like I go up to anyone at a bar, anyone trying to talk to me, I would start preaching the theology of the body. And then my friend- Do you got to tell him that story about the time you cornered the man from sex in the city and gave him an earful?

Okay, I will. You're gonna have to. No, no, no, I will. It was just a great story. But Chris, a good friend of mine, she said, she's like, Cameron, I don't understand what happens. Like one person starts talking to you and the next thing I know,

like half the guys in the bar are listening to you preach the theology of the body. I'm like, cause they're starved for it. And she's like, I think they like come to talk to you to be like, oh, this girl's kind of cute. And they get an earful and they're like, wow, okay. This is a lot to process. But we just have these conversations

and they were so amazing and surprisingly fruitful, at least in the moment. And I think there is something that someone having a beer in them and they're a little more open to truth. Pints, hence the idea of pints. In vina veritas. Exactly, pints of the kindness. But yeah, and then I, everyone, everywhere I talked, I did it, I was a youth minister

and I used to do these morality and me nights. And the youth group, the priest was hoping, there used to be like five kids that would come out and he's like, if you could get it up to 20, that'd be great. These morality and me nights, our building would be packed full. We'd have like 100, 150 teenagers starve for truth,

moral truths. And I had a bucket of shirts because I had a lot of girls that would come and wouldn't be dressed modestly. And I pull them aside and I thank them for coming. There was like a social time of eating pizza, chatting, but I pull them aside and I'm like, hey, listen, I bring them into my office.

And I'd say, I'm so glad you're here tonight. Thank you so much for coming. In a moment, I'm gonna go into that room and I'm gonna give a talk. You are a beautiful girl. If you are in there dressed the way you are, none of the guys are gonna listen to me. All they're gonna notice is how nice your body is.

And it is very nice. I don't mean to insult it, but I would like to give you a gift. I have a present for you. And I had this shirt that I had like Got Dignity and a question mark. I mean, this is so what, in 90s or whatever, the whole Got Milk thing.

It said Got Dignity. And then there was a Bible verse and it says, I'm a child of God. So I give them a free t-shirt. I'm like, I'd love for you to wear it for the talk. It's yours to keep if you want to keep it. If you don't, you can burn it. If you're angry with me, whatever you want.

But I really want you to stay for the talk if you don't mind putting it on. I gave away hundreds and hundreds of these shirts. And the girls were so beautiful and they responded so well because I wasn't preaching at them. I saw them for who they were. I've been in their shoes before, I get it, and here's a gift. And I remember years later, I ran into this one girl that I hadn't seen in,

I didn't even recognize her, but she ran up to me and she's like, Cameron, oh my goodness, it's so good to see you. She was in a sorority and she's like, my sorority, all of us got shirts made like yours, we copied it. She just came one night, her senior year. She pledged in a sorority and she's like, my sorority, all of us got shirts made like yours, we copied it. She just came one night, her senior year. She pledged in a sorority and she's like, I've been telling the girls about our dignity and our worth.

Isn't that beautiful? Like we're so starved for truth. Do you know what? My followers are not all Catholic. They might not know what theology of the body is. Can you just give them, at the risk of, no, no, no, yeah. Give the short version of what theology of the body is. Can you just give them at the risk of? No, no, no. Yeah. Give it. Give the short version. Sure. Yeah. The theology of the body is the study of God in and through the naked body.

So our bodies are made good, right? They're good. They're beautiful. And we see God in and through the naked body. Right. So in the beginning in Genesis, Adam and Eve looked at each other. They did not sin. They didn't grasp at each other and neither lusted at the other. They just saw and what they saw was very good. Eve's was beautiful in her full form, right? Her chest was gorgeous that one day would breastfeed his babies, right? Her womb was sacred where their babies would grow and there was no lust. Like when sin enters the world, then there's sin and then we turn and that's when we can potentially use each other. So when we're talking about the theology of the body, it's the study of God in and through the naked body.

Matt, do you have more to add to that? That'll do. That's really good. Okay, you want to tell your story? Sure. What do you tell that and then I'll stop. What's his name? Do you know his name? I don't know. The main guy from Sex and the City. If you're a viewer of ours and you watch Sex and the City,

you're probably trashy. Stop being trashy. Yes, no, 100%. It's a disgusting show. So I really like this guy in my Big Fat Greek Wedding. It's the same guy that's in Sex and the City. I never saw it. Anyhow, he was at a pub that we were at

in Houston. Was that right, honey? We're in Houston. Anyhow, it's my friend's birthday and she like loves this guy. And I was like, I went out to talk to him like, hey, would you mind just pointing in that direction and waving hi? And he gets fangirls all the time talking to him. Right. And he's like, are you a big fan of the show? And I was like, oh, to be honest, I loved you in my big fat Greek wedding.

I think you're very talented and you're a great actor. John Corbett? I think it's a sh- That's his name, John Corbett. Okay. And so I told him, I was like, honestly, I think it's kind of a shame. I think you've kind of lowered your standards

that you're on Sex and the City. And he's like, what, you don't like Sex and the City? I'm like, no, no, I think it's trashy and sleazy. And he's like, well, have you ever seen it? And I was like, no, cause it's trashy and sleazy. And he's like, well, maybe if you watched it, you'd like it. I'm like, no, I know my worth and my dignity and I'd rather hang out with people that know their worth and dignity. And you degrading women on TV doesn't appeal to me. But thank you for your

great work you did in my Big Fat Greek Wedding. Padded them on the back, walked off. Thank you so much. Yeah, you see, she will. She'll say anything to anybody. That's cool. She really will. It's great. I mean, talk about how transgenderism has robbed us of the beauty of tomboy's. Yeah, it's true. It's very true. It's reduced femininity to lipstick and high heels while denying the intricacies and nuances of the body of what it means to be a woman. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Do you know, from time to time people ask me,

what do we say? What do we do about this? I had one time a priest who was trying to figure out what to say to a bunch of third graders because there was a child who was going to try to change. And it was a mess for the whole school. It was a mess. And I think the child eventually left the school. Anyway, so I told him two things. There are two things you say to the kids. Who say they want to transition? No, to all the kids. To all the kids, you say, no one is born in the wrong body.

No one is born in the wrong body. God doesn't make mistakes like that. Nobody's born in the wrong body. And the second thing you say to them, there are lots of ways to be a girl. There are lots of ways to be a boy. It's okay. It's okay to be a boy the way you want to be a boy, to be a girl the way you want to be a girl. It's okay. You know, that's kind of the inoculation, you might say, against some of the craziness. And I suppose that would be your advice to parents

You have children who are being indoctrinated by this stuff. Yes. Yes. Yes Hmm Scottberg says how did how do we deal with? Friends who have kids that are claiming to be transgender and the parents are determined to allow their teenager To go through with it and expect everybody to call the child by their incorrect name and accept their choices. Well it depends do you do you feel like the the energy from this thing is coming from the parents or coming from the child you know that's um that's an important discernment for you to try

to figure out because I've seen it go either way you know I've seen sometimes the parents are enthused and driving the ship and sometimes it's the child and Oftentimes there is in the background if it's the child Oftentimes in the background there is a peer group, you know and so there's a certain amount of peer pressure and Desire to belong and to fit in and so on it's going on So how you deal with it, I would I would encourage you to try to be sensitive to those aspects of it. Okay, so if you've... in some cases I'm aware that parents are in agony because

they cannot talk to anyone. They feel that if they don't... unless they affirm, affirm, affirm, affirm what their child wants to do, they're going to lose their child. CPS is going to take the child away and so on and so forth. If you've got that situation going on, which it doesn't sound like from the question, that's what he's talking about, but I would encourage you to be as affirming and supporting of those parents as you can, you know, if that's what's going on. In the case where the parents are not really on board but think they're helping by going along with it. That, I think, is the place where you can have the most positive impact. Because that's when you can quietly talk to the parent, not in the presence of the children. Whatever's going on with the kids, leave that aside. But to say to your peer, that's your peer group now, parent to parent,

you know, look, you may be hearing that if you don't affirm your child they'll commit suicide. That is objectively false. That is not true. That is a kind of emotional blackmail. So I want you to know that I know that. And you know that and you know that I'll support you if you try to back away from this if you're gonna try to steer your kids away from it. Now if you've got a parent who's demanding publicly that everybody go along with it you may end up having to sever that relationship because you don't want to go along with it you know you really don't want to go along with it. So that you know without knowing all the details situation I hope that provides some guidance for people.

We should never lie to people, but people can change their names and do change their names. So is there a distinction that needs to be made there? Maybe I call you by this new name you've decided to go by while letting you know that I can't go along with the other thing. Or do you just call them by their old name? Yes. I don't have a lot of personal experience with this which which um so what I'm about to say may be kind of awkward but I think it is what you just said I agree with.

You know you can legally change your name to anything you want. Goodness. You can change your name legally to anything that you want. So you can, without necessarily doing anything wrong, call them by the new name. But you mustn't use the wrong pronouns. You've got to draw the line on the pronouns. I think there's an analogy here to an invalid marriage. If somebody invites me to attend their invalid marriage, let's say they say, I'd like you to be my best man, but it's an invalid marriage. Because say the groom's you my best man but it's an invalid marriage.

Because say the grooms Catholic or something and hasn't got the appropriate dispensation what have you. My going there. Sends a message and I don't want to do that and so I might say this is I think. Permissible to say listen I can't go as your best man because I don't want to let it be seen. Oh, I don't want people to think that I agree with you that this is what you're saying it is. But there might be an instance where you do attend a wedding that isn't a marriage. But I think it's important that you make it clear how you feel. If you're going to attend, you've got to make it clear how you feel, even if you're

in the background of this of this wedding. I think I could see something similar be the case if I have a cousin or a brother or whatever that's quote unquote transitioning. Of course, transitioning is impossible, but I think I would say I love you. And I would explain why it is that you can't become a woman or vice versa. I'm willing to call you by your name, this new name that you're coming up with. but I need you to know, you know what I'm saying? Otherwise, I fear that you're bearing false witness in a sense. You know, I've talked to a few people who have taken the trip and come back, not only with this issue, but also with homosexuality. And one of the things that they

all say is that my mom never gave up on me. My mom never stopped praying for me. I always knew my mom loved me, without going along with my BS. I mean, just to put it bluntly, I've heard that from any number of people. So it's a complicated path, it's not a soundbite path, it's a path of actual engagement with a human person. And a lot of what happens to us

in the whole sexual revolution propaganda mill, is that we're given sound bites, we're given labels for people, and that controls our thought. So you either affirm 100% or you're a hater. Okay, well that's not how normal people behave towards each other at all, ever, right? I mean, you know, that's just not how you do it.

And so to transcend those labels, I think particularly if you are trying to maintain a relationship with somebody, you've got to take the time that allows you the time to say, this is what I really feel, this is what I'm really about, and here's what I believe to be true about you. You have great dignity as a person. I'm heartbroken that you think you need to do this to your body. I'm sad that you think you need to do this type of sexual activity. I don't think it's going to give you what you're looking for, but I want to stay engaged with you. And the person didn't ask this, but I'm going to say it,

because I think it's an important situation, a lot more people are going to be coming up with. If there's a child involved, if you've got a relative or friend in a same-sex union, and they decide to become parents, they're going to do that through some form of donor, gamete donor, sperm, egg, something, they're going to be doing that. That means that child is going to have issues. Okay?

It's just a fact. That child is going to have issues. If you can, in good conscience, stay close to the family, you may be the person who can help them five years from now. Because, trust me, when people enter into this stuff, like Dave Rubin with his new babies, okay, they're all excited. They don't realize these babies are going to grow up. These babies are going to walk and talk and have thoughts of their own, right? And they're not looking that

far down the road because no parent really can. You know, when you become a parent, your life really totally changes and you don't really know what's on the other side of that divide. So you may be the person, if you can stay in relationship, you may be the person who can be available when the questions start or the problems start or the issues come up. You know, that the dads aren't going to know how to answer. The cliches aren't going to work five years from now. Right? Yeah. Let's do a final question here. Cause we do want to get you back to the, you're going to put on this conference. You know, uh, let's see nurse life who is a local supporter.

And again, I want to say sorry to everybody who sent in questions that we didn't get to some of the questions that were asked have already been addressed. And it's also just not possible to get through all of them. So hopefully you'll understand that. Nurse Life says academic clinician here, many pro transgender scientists receive federal funding funding from NIH for their research and salary. And that money ultimately facilitates their work as activist educators

of nurses, physicians, nurse practitioners, etc. Shant we organize, shant, nice job, shant we organize to lobby politicians to reform the NIH and make this more difficult for my whack job colleagues? Nurse life, you sound like my type of person. You should totally come to our summit. Because actually last year's summit, one of the things we talked about was the corruption in the professions. That was the whole theme last year. Now it's not going to be so much the theme this year, but medicine has been completely corrupted,

scientific research completely corrupted. This is exactly what she's saying here is exactly correct and it's been going on a long time. I interviewed a guy on the abortion breast cancer link. That guy was canceled. He lost two jobs in the 1990s. That's how long this has been going on. Right? And he literally had colleagues say to him, you know, look I agree with you. I know that what you're saying is true, but these people write the checks for my grants. So, no, I'm not going to say anything. So the corruption is enormous. And you're correct that it would be great to try to lobby these to reform the NIH, but that's a big bite. That's taking off a very big bite. The

federal government is very hard to reform because it's so deeply entrenched, right? And you saw how people reacted around COVID and how scared people were and you know all that kind of stuff. There's an enormous amount of corruption within the public health establishment and that's part of what you're seeing here. So an alternative approach is that we need to have alternative professional organizations. There are several. I'm not sure what would be appropriate to this particular person, but there's, for instance, the American College of Pediatricians, that is an alternative to the mainstream one.

There's the Catholic Medical Association, alternative to the mainstream one, and so on. But she's totally correct, happens all the time. I have no doubt at all that what she's saying is true. final question, I know that there's hope in the life to come, but is there hope in America within the next 100 years and why? Oh yeah. Yeah, I think there's hope within 100 years. It depends entirely on what we choose to do and not do.

If we coast, then there's no hope. But if everybody watching this program makes a point in their mind, I am going to do something. And if you can't figure out what to do, come to our summit, come hang around our website, you know, we'll give you something to do. But if everybody decides I'm going to do something, no matter how small, it will add up and we can make a difference.

And that's my challenge to you. Now, amen. Well, you have a summit coming up for those who are just joining us summit, summit for survivors.org. There's a link in the description below. If you live in the Louisiana, Texas area, click that link, go to the actual summit. If you are too far away, it's also a virtual summit, so you can sign up and watch this excellent content. You can also check out Ruth Institute. We've got links to their links to your YouTube channel and

your fabulous book. When did this book come out? When did it come out? Yeah. 2018. The sexual state, how elite ideologies are destroying lives and why the church was right all along. So go check that out. Thank you for being here. That was a blast. Thanks for having me. Indeed. Yeah.