Plumbing the Death Star - After All, What is a Wonderwall?

Episode Date: September 22, 2024

Oasis is getting back together to the surprise of pretty much everyone, prompting Plumbing the Death Star to ask: hey what exactly is a wonderwall anyway? Why would someone be one? And what does it have to do with the classic Pixar Cars franchise? Duscher has some strong opinions on the game of Downball, Zammit theorises about an invisible wall that is also Car Heaven, and Jackson remembers the movie Drop Dead Fred. It’s a question for the age that even the Gallagher Brothers are unable to answer in any concrete way.Links to everything in our linktr.ee including our terrible merch, social media garbage and where to become a subscriber to Bad Brain Boys+Come see us at the Cheerful Earful Podcast Fest, both live AND streaming! Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

You're listening to the Sans Pants Network. Hey everyone and welcome to this week's episode of Plumbing the Death Star. I'm Joe. I'm Jackson. And I'm also Joe. Plumbing the Death Star is a comedy and pop culture podcast that asks you important questions. Like, after all, what's a wonder wall? Like if I just think of a wall, I have a bit of a- Wondering about a wall.

Are you imagining the wall in your mind is like a wonder wall? Because it's made of- Wonder? Adult-like wonder. What if it's like a wall that I'm thinking about it and it and it's so big I'm like wow that how big is a wall you uh well think a wall okay bigger than that see okay here's my problem I think of a wall yeah and then I think of a bigger wall yeah it's just the same wall but more of it, and I feel like I've just changed my perspective of the wall.

Like you're closer to the wall? No, further away. What if it's like you're there, you think of a wall, but you crane your neck up and you still can't see the top? I don't know if I'm looking at a wall anymore. Yeah. I don't know what I'm looking at, but I'm not sure it's a wall. I think that there is only one wall that's big and that's the Great Wall of China. Yeah, is that the one the wall dude? That could be the one the wall. So Wonderwall is a song by Oasis from 1941. No, when they do it? Yeah. Okay, 95. So they probably wrote it around 94? Yeah, yeah. Maybe they were thinking

about Walls for a while. Okay, they had Walls on the brain. Oasis is one of those bands where they wrote two albums and all the B-sides kind of all at exactly the same time, and every single song everyone was like, this is the best. Then they could never capture that success again. They could no longer capture that in 1995

Yeah, okay. There's it is a wonder wall or is it like a wonder one word what changes so yeah? They the specific part where wonderwall is mentioned they say after all you're my wonderwall Mm-hmm a person is a wonderwall No wonder wall to me for you. It's a wall you're wondering about, which I think is funny because it's not a wall you're thinking about. Just wondering about it? He's like, I'm wondering about that wall. A wonder wall to me feels like a powerful wall. Yeah, me too.

It's like a wonderful wall. Like, you know, this is not, this ain't your regular wall. There's a wonder wall. So a very good wall is still a strange thing to call a person. Yeah. Like you're a really good wall. I guess the only inanimate object you could call someone that is positive I guess is like you're my rock oh yeah yeah or a weapon yeah you're a weapon but that could also have negative connotations

you wouldn't say you're a knife but you do say you're a gun yeah that's true so it's kind of like is it a positive version of a brick shit house? Like oh, yeah, he's built like a brick shit house, right? He's built like a wonder wall. But like, oh, he's a bit of a wonder wall. You're my wonder wall. He's a wonder wall, mate. They are from Manchester, so brick shit house wouldn't be totally out of the equation. Wonder wall, I can't imagine being the global phenomenon it was if it was called brick shit

house. When you think of- Sturo house. You're my brick shithouse. Could it be rhyming slang? Do you think of a, do you think, when you think of the wonder wall, do you think of it as brick or- Yeah, I imagine the wonder wall is brick.

Wonder ball? Bundle ball. Rhyming slang. Rhyming slang. Wonder wall is rhyming slang for bundle ball. Yeah, yeah, I think so. Wonder wall. What does wall rhyme with? Well, what it because you can also go all Carnegie Hall But they were trying to talk about

Balls yeah, so you can say to be like, oh right me one the wall Yeah, right me one the walls. I writing me balls Okay. Yeah, I'm not for it my Wonderwalls. I writing me balls Okay, yeah after it my Wonderwalls I am You say man, I'm mad for it. Yeah for my nuts. Yeah That's posy buddy, but buzzy button evity We really struggled to deny the allegations that we're not drunk. Yeah We really struggled to deny the allegations that we're not drunk. Yeah

We really really do I've had alcohol in ages. Yeah, not enough that like I don't drink enough that this is also the shakes I haven't had alcohol in about a week. You just get on which is normal Yeah, do we Doing plumbing the death star is kind of like living near an unsafe nuclear power Yeah, our brains just be that way getting sicker and sicker every day. Hmm. Okay. Well, let's go through the lyrics Okay, it might help. Yeah, he's gonna be the day that they're gonna throw it back to you. Okay, that's Somehow realize what you're gonna do. I don't believe that anybody feels the way I do about you now Okay So when you're throwing something like I'm thinking like a like a when you've playing like a down ball type thing Oh, yeah, like you're just throwing a ball at a wall. Could it be? I haven't mentioned the wall yet. I know I know but you we know where it's leading to

There's another verse before a wall comes into it I know I know I know but it's still leading back to it Hang on, I might be onto something Let's let's read to the lyrics in the context of a game of down ball. Alright then. Today's the day. It's gonna be the day they're gonna throw it back to you. The down ball ball.

Yeah. And by now... Oh wait, so they throw it back to you. Could it be like, for example, you know, at the very start of a beautiful game of down ball, it's kind of like, you know, like, you always start in the top position. Okay. Or like, maybe you're always like the bottom position and they throw it back. And they're like, maybe I'm in the top position. Or like maybe you're always like the bottom position and they throw it back. And they're like, maybe I'm in the top position today.

I think we are also combining at the moment like four different games into a game that doesn't exist. Well the problem with down ball though, I believe at least in Australia or Melbourne, it's very much a per school. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't think there's like a official kind of rules. Rules of down ball.

Down ball against ball. I would imagine a very large majority of our listening and viewing audience right now were like, what the fuck is down ball plumbing the Death Star? Yeah, you play it with a tennis ball and you use your hands as if they were a paddle. Okay, think of, okay.

Squash. It's just, so down ball, I think in the way that we're trying to talk about it is the version of the game Which is just squash, but you don't have rackets. You just use your hands Yeah, yeah, and you and you hit it against the wall You're gonna bounce once hit the wall bounce back and then keep going that's one version There's also one where it's just like a 1v1 type thing where it's almost a tennis match. Okay, that's squash

Yeah, that's the one I was describing. Yeah. Yeah, it's what's wrong with a wall? Yeah, there's one which is one on one without the wall one on one without the tennis That's what you said. What do you mean without the down ball without the wall is that this one V1? Well, it's just that would just be like that's also we have rules, but with two not four exactly Yeah, so we call down ball though down balls for Down ball for us was like six or eight. Yeah Well, you know any official rules for what I'm saying because there was down ball up against the wall There's down ball when it was 1v1 without no wall line

And then there was the sort of the almost like a hopscotch a hopscotch like hopscotch hopscotch kind of You know the squares because they were not like equal they were like one big rectangle and then like four squares That's wild like that is like hopscotch and so yeah, it was a five. It was a five-player sort of a game So what are your schools in charge of? Doing lines or whatever fuck that. I yeah, and so I think it was like yeah So you had like you know we had like King Queen like ace Ace! Is it ace or is it King Queen Jack dance? Yeah, dance one dance to dance one dance to you had dance one two and three

We had King Queen Jack dance Yeah, King Queen Jack dance in a traditional sense, but there was occasionally versions where there were six players Okay, and it would be dance to dance through yeah with extra titles. That's very nice I skin queen you went out in any of the dogs. Wow just go out. Mm-hmm That's pretty and like yeah, so the dance had the big square the big rectangle. Yeah, cuz they needed to help well The big squares harder want to defend I guess they were just preparing thoughts for real life. You're at the bottom you get shit on things don't get easier they get harder Anyway, I guess in the sense of wonderwall you're talking about the down ball game where you

Just think of it as squash Yeah Squash because I'll be using your hand. What's the one where it's uh, yeah, it like swash, but it's like we wear like a Yeah, we're really we are not drunk Playing a game of swash. The one where it's like you you have like a Curve stick on your arm. You made the gesture like a man who's about to feast the cow What's that game? You put up a big rubber glove and you gotta get the baby out of the can

Get the baby out of the catnip Get the baby out of the catnip Or massage its prostate Bring a vomit up A foodie vomit No! The one is like you have a wooden thing on your arm and it's like Yu-Gi-Oh? Maybe it's Brazilian

And it's A Brazilian game where you have a wooden thing on your arm And then what? This sounds like a sport you invented in a dream It literally sounds like a Yu-Gi-Oh card battle No but does he mean like a sport you invented in a dream Literally sounds like a yugioh card Ball like a lacrosse stick that comes out of your arm like Wolverine sort of yeah like it's like That one is based on the old like Aztec game. It's eating road through a sideways hoop Maybe I know it I remember remembering is it's like you cut this wooden thing on your arm

Maybe it's kind of curved so you can kind of catch the ball Like a Wolverine thing I guess and you have to throw it and it gives you more power It's basically lacrosse, but rather than a lacrosse stick there. It's like a lacrosse glove. Yeah, fuck. What is that game called? See, I'm not I'm not insane Think that you had had to think about Quidditch or something Like sports for lame with Looking for Brazil's Look just gave me the Brazil lacrosse thing. I think we just gotta assume it's squash

Let's just assume it's because you can throw in squash it it back to me and someone throws the thing and hits you with the racket. Okay, so let's call it squash. Or just down ball squash style. Down ball squash style. By now you should have somehow realized what you gotta do. Play down ball with me. Yeah, you gotta... yeah yeah yeah. And I don't believe anybody feels the way I do about you now.

Confession of love. Or healthy competitiveness. Healthy competitiveness or they're using a game of competitive sport to be like, no, I do love you. And backbeat, the word is on the street that the fire in your heart is out. You're cold. You play down ball like a cold robot. No, no, no, no, no, no, you're the top of your game.

You were the top of your game, but you've lost your passion. So again, like, hey, remember, you were like the top of the you were the top of the game It is you'll miss an elbow. You were so damn good nothing and now I know what happened No, this is your passion for down. Yeah, I'm sure you've heard it all before any kind of sport Really never really had a doubt and I don't believe that anybody feels the way I do about you now Could it be hey, what about if it's just not just down ball? What if it's just like a Fan of somebody who used to be the world champion at let's say Squash? Who's the guy in Cars 3?

Oh, uh, Lightning McQueen? No, the guy that she is on Lightning McQueen. Cause Lightning McQueen- You mean the one in Cars 1? No, cause in Cars 3 Lightning McQueen has lost his desire, cause he got hurt. Yeah, yeah. And the fire in his heart is out. Yeah, the fire- Who convinces him to get back into racing. Now. He doesn't racing cars three. He helps. Okay, let's assume

It's about made. Yeah singing to Lightning McQueen. Okay. Yeah during the course of cars three. Okay I think you're misremembering cars three. I haven't seen cars three. Okay. Yes Okay, I haven't seen cars one either Yeah, okay, yes Okay What are they throwing back what are they throwing back to lightning McQueen Hmm by now you should have somehow realized what you're gonna do win the piston cop Yeah, yep. Yeah, and I don't believe that anybody feels the way I do about you now. I believe in you I believe you're gonna win the piston car made her and like yeah I do about you now. I believe in you. I believe you're gonna win the Piston Cup. Mater and Lightning McQueen. That adds up. Backbeat the world and on the street that the fire in your heart is out.

Yeah, so yeah, he's sort of... I'm sure you've heard it all before, but you never really had a doubt. I'd like to hear that before again because it sounded like he was like before. And I don't believe anybody feels the way I do about you now. Yeah. Again, it's like- And all the roads- Uh-uh. Uh-uh. Custard. Custard. We have to walk a winding. Walk?

Uh-uh. Cars don't walk. They don't have legs, but for a car is driving, not walking. This is the second podcast I've done in recent memory where Trying to figure out if rolling or driving It's walking. He's walking if you're a ball or have wheels. Well, yes, and the answer is yes Let's rip obviously. Is the car saying I'm gonna go for a walk and then drive slowly? Yeah Yeah I don't know if it's in the text, but it's definitely the subject. Well, and also we have to remember that Oasis, when they wrote...

On cars. They on cars, so they had to change the lyrics so it would suit us. So this is a song about Lightning McQueen and Mater made relatable to human media. Because when did cars 3 get come out? I don't know, like 2016? You know what I'm saying, when did cars 1 come out? Like 2012? We have to imagine that oasis was transported to the

We have to have the piston cup and they said we must write a song about this one must imagine the Gallagher brothers saw cars Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay And I'm gonna replace any reference to walk with drive drive just because that's probably how it was originally intended Yeah, the original lyrics and all the roads We have to drive a winding and all the headlights that lead us there are blinding Okay, is it street lights? There are many things that I would like to say to you Lightning McQueen Yeah, but I don't know how you can win this you can do it real good

I believe in you just giving up but you got to have some hope. But maybe because maybe you're going to be the one that saves me. I've got a lot riding on you Lightning McQueen. They're going to take my legs, my wheel legs, Lightning McQueen. I've put so much money on you that if you don't win, I'm fucked. Hey, maybe actually we've got this backwards. Oh yeah. And this is actually not cars three, but in fact cars two. Okay.

And this is Lightning McQueen singing to Mater. Oh, okay. Cause Mater has become a spy. Yeah. Cause Mater had nothing to do in cars one. He's a spy? Yeah, Mater was a spy. Cars two, he's a spy. Bruce Campbell was a spy car who got killed.

Yeah. Rest in peace. You're tortured to death. There's a world of horrible espionage happening in the cars universe Yeah, cuz made a saves lightning McQueen all the time because he's a tow truck. Okay. Yeah rest still is applicable Okay, today's gonna throw back to you like hey made up. It's your time to shine the world's right about it's time to give made Eris flowers. Yeah

Yeah Yeah, flowers from Maidenon. Flowers? Yeah. Flowers from Maidenon. It could have been another name for this song. They should have named it that. Oasis's Flowers from Maidenon. Makes sense. In brackets, cars too. Cars too. In brackets, we travelled to the cars realm. We got in a car accident and it sent us to the realm of cars. And we witnessed the beautiful friendship between Lightning McQueen and Maeda.

And we said, we've got to write a song called Flowers for Maeda. Okay, let's change some of the lyrics to be car-fee. Okay. I don't think we need to change much. Walk to drive and that's it. But also, and back-beat could be head-seat or back-seat of a car.

What's a back-beat? I don't know. So why are you changing it? Well, I'm making a more car. Ease And backseat the word is on the street that the fire in your engine is out I'm sure yeah, okay So back be so a steady pronounced with them stressing the second and fourth beats of a four beat measure. I don't believe made up What do we think? Code. Code. Is it code? In Wonderwall?

About the Galaga Brothers- I should shoot John Lennon, you're right. This is for Lightning McQueen. No, sorry, Mada. I think it's for Mada. It's embarrassing, I fucked that up. But you are gonna die as you got that one. Well it's more embarrassing that your last words are about to be like, excuse me, I've been shot. Excuse me what? I think it's embarrassing you've not run when I haven't pulled the... I guess I do have a gun on you.

Backbeat or like the exhaust, like the backfiring of it? Okay. Maybe that's what they mean by backbeat. Don't know how that would make any sense in this, but maybe. Well, does backbeat make sense in the original version of the song? Backbeat, the word is on the street. No, not really. No, it's just like an ad lib.

No, it does not make sense. Now, here's a problem, fellas. Maybe, oh, sorry, backbeat, we're on the street. So that's kind of being like the subtext. Yeah. So it's like, you know, this is actually like, maybe not what's happening, but like it's the rumor. Is a backbeat a rumour of a song?

What? It's the subtext of the musical moment. Yeah. Subtext of the notes. Yeah. Here's the problem. Because it's not, because the beat of the song is that's the one that's all, that's the forefront of the text.

But is the backbeat, is the backbeat not just a beat that's slightly... On the backbeat not just a beat that's slightly... A steady pronounced rhythm stressing the second and fourth beats of a four beat measure. Okay, so that is the regular beat of a song. Yeah, so but you put the... No, no, no, no, no. A backbeat, so I don't know if you, how more well you know music, but on the two and the four of in a standard rock song, that's the snare, which is the thing people clap along

with. Which so... That's the backbeat. That's the backbeat. Yeah, I this standard rock song that's the snare which is the thing people clap along with which so That's the back. Yeah, I don't know if that's the rumor. Okay, so then okay, then it's a text. Okay. All right What about back seat does that work the back seat the word is on and just he's like saying a car thing Back seat the word is on the street Anyway, there's a problem fellas. The problem is the question which we have not answered yet. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but that's okay. We're getting there. Okay. Uh-huh.

Well, we're there. We're there. We're there. We've arrived. In the context of Cars 2. Because maybe... Austin and Galaga Brothers travel to be the one that saves me. We got that. So either Maynard or Lightning is... After all, you're my wonderwall

Hey, so give us the whole chorus Okay, mhm Because maybe you're gonna be the one that saves me And after all, you're my wonderwall Can wonderwall somehow mean tow truck? Okay One must assume But when you hit the wall of something,

in driving or in sport, when you hit a wall, that's usually like you hit a limit, right? You can't go further than that. But a wonder wall, hang on, hang on, but a wonder wall, it's wonder, it's imaginary.

It's something in the horizon, right? It's a wonder wall. You can't hit that wall because it's all made up So you can keep going you can keep going further lightning McQueen Okay, you can go as fast as you need to go as fast as you want to go you can win this I believe in you because after all but you're my wonder wall. No, it doesn't make sense And you imagine wonder wall means tow truck. So it saying, and after all, you're my tow truck. It is. Yeah.

What? He's not your tow truck. No, yes, I know. He is Lightning McQueen's tow truck. What if it's about- I don't know if he's Lightning McQueen's tow truck. He is Lightning McQueen's tow truck. He's his friend, but he's also his tow truck.

He's a tow truck. It's like being friends with your doctor. No. All friends with your dentist? I guess. Lightning McQueen doesn't pay Mayda to collect him though. Do we know that for sure? We don't. We don't see it in the text. At no point does money exchange. So, Tyres. Okay. Could this be, as in like, again, what's throwing me off, I think, is the you're my one. But the idea being like, you know, this whole idea of like

You know they're putting either their friendship or like on a pedestal all the way over there So it's kind of like does that work in the context of cars too? Where it's kind of like I want your respect or you or you I want your respect mater And I'm gonna do this for you and and I know that Maybe you have such a high opinion of me But I'm actually never really gonna hit that and that's gonna keep me going because I'm gonna have to keep Doing I have to be the best that I ever have been before and gonna keep doing that. I'm never gonna hit that wall. I eat love The problem are in the in the ear you're so far on the horizon

love? And you're so far in the, yeah, you're so far on the horizon that I'm gonna have to keep striving to be the best person I need to be. You're my Wonderwall because you are this idea that I can never get to you so I gotta be so good. Cars 2 isn't really about Lightning McQueen and Mater's friendship, if you'll recall. What about Cars 1? What about Cars 1? Is it still made or are we looking at maybe Doc?

Well let me just, I'll just outline really quickly the plot of Cars 1 so What about Cars 1? Is it still made or are we looking to maybe dock? Well let me just outline really quickly the plot of Cars 1. So that we have an idea of what's going on. Lightning McQueen, hot shit racer, he comes in second in a race but that means he's eligible for the Piston Cup. On his way to the Piston Cup, he gets into a car accident and he slides into the town of Radiator Springs where he causes a mess of problems. He causes a lot of property damage and legally he now has to fix the town They put a car boot on him until he does this this pisses him the f off

How is he expected to fix the town if he can't drive? Well, he can drive slowly I think I can't really remember but he's that's kind of like walking. Yeah, exactly And he has to he exactly and he has to retar the foot the drive the road was he drunk? How do you wreck a town? He didn't know what was going on. He got really lost. I'm scared. Yeah, anyway Is he not from Radiator Springs? No, he's not from Radiator Springs. He's a big city car So Mater didn't know him no, but Mater is assigned to him to make sure he does the job correctly Anyway, as he's fixing up the town he gets to know this little town of Radiator Springs. He becomes friends with Mater,

and he becomes friends with Sally, or Porsche. She is a Porsche. That might also be her name. He also becomes friends with Doc Hudson. Now, Doc Hudson was a race car back in the day, and he never finished his last race, because he crashed, and he never finished his last race because he crashed and he crashed he crashed his car or himself

He got into a him accident. Uh-huh and and but he becomes a sort of mentor figure for lightning McQueen And lightning McQueen slowly grows to kind of love the town Doc Hudson teaches lightning McQueen you gotta go left to go right or some shit and he teaches trains him out in the desert Can I? Is Doc Hudson singing about? McQueen you gotta go left to go right or some shit and he teaches trains him out in the desert can I Anyway, I forget what happens next But Lightning McQueen he goes to the piston cup Yeah, and this kind of pisses off everybody in town because they're like we thought you didn't care about that and he's like no But I do care about it. Well, then I think he didn't care I forget but then they hate him

No, the town gross love him. Okay, he becomes in now But the town becomes enamored with him because he's a nice guy and he becomes a nice guy They decide that he's not a nice guy because he's like it's like his truck Which is what he fell out of yeah comes to radiator Springs in this like you got to go to the piston cup and everybody's like you're really gonna go and abandon all this like didn't you? Learn that that's not everything a lot of a truck. He fell out of it. He was he's like Sure, I guess anyway that goes to the piston cup and he does the piston cup and while he's there He's fighting off again against a guy with a big mustache whose name. I can't remember is it Sasha Baron Cohen it could be. Anyway.

Alphonse? Then that truck crashes, and as it crashes, it's like, oh no, Lightning McQueen's gonna win. Or, you know, he's gonna win, but then he's like, no. And he turns around and he pushes that car over the finish line to be like, hey, I get it, winning's not everything. Then he goes back to Radiator Springs and marries Sally Portia. He gets married?

Probably, and then Doc Hudson dies at some point. Yeah. But I forget when. I think he dies in someone near the middle, maybe. Yeah. With all that said, Yeah. could this be, yes, a, a, a, a, um,

not quite sure who's singing to who, but maybe it's between Doc and, uh, Lightning McQueen. And, and Wonderwall is like the heaven for cars in the sky. Because, you know, when you're driving so fast, and you crash into that wall, and you go into the Wonderwall in the sky. The great Wonderwall in the sky. In your mind, heaven is a fabulous wall.

Why is car heaven a wall? Well that's what killed them. They ran into the wall. That's like a gun being heaven. Welcome to wonder gun. What? Heaven. You call it heaven. But it really is a wonderful gun. Or like wonder poison. Wonder falling down the stairs at night. Hang on let me pivot on the dime. So wonder wall yeah it's like it's heaven because's it's that thing on the horizon It's a wonder thing. It's a may believe it's a wonder wall because the only thing that can really the only thing we can really stop a car from cars is a wall and that wall we're Never gonna hit and we're gonna keep driving until we hit it

Which we never will because the wall is basically the natural predator I believe off the cars also holes holes are bad for cars Yeah, I would also just like to point out that you're my wonderwall the your part you're saying like McQueen is like Doc Hudson you know how our heaven is a wall you can't hear it you're that's to me mmm heaven I can never reach yeah or is it something like is it I love say for example get we'll strip away some of this car stuff okay in just like a lot of ideas so it's kind of like look it says two people okay it's like say for example kept being you Jack so I love

you I love you okay me and you JD it'll be both of you I am in love with both of you there's a nut there look and that I do I love you guys so much, but I know that I can't ever be good enough for either of you. We do have high standards. You do. And so like, I will keep trying my best

so that you think that I could be worthy of your time in company, but you are my wonder wall. You are so far in the distance to me that I'm never gonna be able to achieve Oh you're never gonna hit greatness because you guys are so good and I'm I am like an ant beneath you I am a worm I'm a worm, a disgusting worm That does put a negative spin on the song but it does say you're gonna be the one who saves me

Yeah, because And after all you're my wonderwall You're gonna be the one that saves me because you the idea You're such a wonder I that saves me because you, the idea, I'm so in love with you guys that you are so, to try to even, to be on your radar, to blip on your radar. To feel the-

I need to be so much better than I am right now. So it's gonna make you a better person. I need to be a better man. Okay. Wrong song. I know it. Maybe relevant. Hey, man, I'm a better man. Better man. I know. Maybe relevant?

Battleman. Battleman. Pearl Jam. Stink. I'll say it. Anyway. I like some of their songs. A lot is pretty good. Yeah. I'm alive. Eddie that is alright. He's got some good vocals. I said what I said. That's alright. And thinking about the song Alive has not changed the statement I made. That is okay dude. That is okay. I'm here for one Pearl Jam. what I said. And thinking about the song Alive has not changed the statement I made. That is okay, dude. That is okay. I'm here for the lump-full jam. Today's gonna be the day. Let's go with that in mind.

But I also just like to point out that now Zammet's definition of a wonder wall is a wall that is very far away that you could never reach. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This idea that's like, you know, because when you hit a wall, that means you gotta stop, right? What makes Wonder Bread Wonder Bread? It's a platonic idea of why is wonder bread wonder bread what is maybe we should have gone wonder definition from maybe a feeling of amazement and admiration caused by something beautiful

remarkable or unfamiliar well you know how often I describe you as square, maybe rectangular, brick-like, if you will. Okay. And it's quite beautiful. Whatever Wonderwall is like, is like in a room with four walls, one of the walls is imaginary. Hold on. So you can get out. So it's like an escape. Like a door. Like a door. A door is a wonder wall. A door because a door is a wall that you can walk through. That's pretty wonderful. That's wonderful. That's a wonderful door. That is a wonderful door.

I mean. Wonderful door. Wonder bread's named off the balloons did some guy saw it He was like those are wonderful. I get a name my bread after these Slow baked Wine was filled with wonder by a scene of a hundred of balloons creating a kaleidoscope of color And he was like I gotta make this my bread that is the look Lidoscope of color and he was like I gotta make this my bread. That is the look you're so mad Yeah, that makes sense. So, okay. What about if it's about a door? It's just like to adore He's saying you're well. Well, it's not about a door. It's like the metaphor, right? You are like a daughter me I can walk through you. I've always said that you're like a daughter me

So you try to get it Jack. Well, it's like that's like the most wonderful wall. I can think so much What about what about a cake a room with no doors? Bad a room where one of the walls is a door wonderful what what nice a wall so wonderful like a Answer to both your last year last walls pretty good. I have an answer to your question And also a potential different theory maybe this isn't about lightning McQueen. Yeah, that seems crazy I mean all right. I think it might actually be about Wanda and vision maybe oh Okay, and I think that maybe wonderwall is misheard and it's wonderwall Let's say it's set in the fictional of the town that's in wonders mind, okay, New Haven or whatever it's called

Let's say it's set in the fictional- the town that's in Wanda's mind. Okay, New Haven or whatever it's called. New Haven. Today's gonna be the day that they're gonna throw it back to you. Vision is talking to Agatha, or Agatha's talking to Vision at this point. Okay. Agatha is now also involved. By now you should have somehow realized what you've gotta do. Is this where-

I think it's- Oh, could be Vision talking to Wanda being like, you know- You gotta set everybody free in the town. You fucked up. Actually, yeah, yeah, yeah. Could be Vision talking to Wanda. Today's gonna be the day that they're gonna throw it back to you. Yeah, they're gonna be...

Everybody in town is gonna... Hey, hey, them chickens? Guess what? They're coming home to freakin' bloody roost. By now, you should have realized what you gotta do. Free them. Free everybody in town. I don't believe that anybody feels the way I do about you now, because... I'm in love with you.

But it's complicated. Yeah, I'm in love with you, but you've done a bad thing. And I'm not real. I'm in love with you, I'm not real, and thing and I'm not real You've done a bad bad thing Wrong song to one day is he just like yeah Well, he doesn't know he's not real until a bit later on He's a robot yeah, yeah, no, he's not realism at this point. He's he's like one that had a think yeah Yeah, yeah, yeah, and back beat the word is on the street that the fire in your heart is out

Because I'm dead. Yeah, I'm I vision him dead and you this is a trauma palace for her. Yeah, that's true I'm sure you've heard it all before but you never really had a doubt You never really look I've heard you sure We can work this out. I'm sure you've heard it all before. Yeah. Okay, so you've heard it all before as in like you're crazy. You know, you're losing your mind. This isn't real.

And you've never really had a doubt that you, you know- That this is real? Is this real? That you know what you're doing maybe? Yeah, you don't know what you're doing, all the people doubting you, but you know- You know what's going on. Agatha was maybe doing some biz and that's bad. So you should, you know what's going on was maybe doing some biz and that's bad So you should you know take it all away because Agatha knows that scarlet which wonder is a scarlet which I wants to suck off her Power. Yeah, Wanda wants to have children. Yeah the town

Vision just want to go home. Ralph Bono just wants to have a good time. Yeah You never again don't put in Canada Again, once again vision still feels the way it does about no one else has ever felt Okay, and all the roads we have to walk a winding. Yeah Yeah, and all the leaders there are blinding is in like this and blew up vision blew up He put up so much and it was a big He blew up so much and it was a big lightning As him, as introspective Yeah

I blew it up Remember when he blew it up the whole screen went white It was, it was, it was blinding It was blinding And there are many things that I would like to say to you But I don't know how Because I'm not real It's so complicated because what you've done here is evil

But I think you're a good person as long as you don't try and kill Dr. Strange Yeah, you're grieving Then you'll be I guess unredeemable and more to drop a big rock on you. Yeah You're gonna be the one that saves me. Are you gonna free me from this prison? After all you're my wonder Maximoff Well Has literally created walls around the town. Wait, what if it's Photon? She goes through, she is the only person To go through that wall. That goes through the wall and could be said to have

a wonder wall. Yeah. Photon's name should have been Wonderwall? Yeah. Or Wonderwall. Well, she went through Wanda's wall and became a Wonderwall. And that bit of the wall is kind of hers because it gave her a power and that's that wall for her is definitely wonderful Okay, today's gonna be the day they can throw it back to you. Yeah. Yeah equal and opposite

Repeat the verses well with photon she cut she tries to go through the wall and the wall pushes back and gives her powers Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Well, this guy, it's just slightly changed lyrics. Today's going to be the day, but they'll never throw it back to you. And by now you should have somehow realized what you're not to do. What? And I don't believe that anybody feels the way I do about you now. And all the roads that lead you there are winding and all the lights that

light the way are blinding. There are many things that I would like to say, but I don't know how maybe you're gonna be the one that saves me and after all you're my wonderwall I said maybe said maybe you're gonna be the one that saves me and after all you're my wonderwall I think it is vision to wander still because it goes from here today is gonna be the day then today was gonna be the mmm. Yeah, but I think it's just like hey Maybe the first the second half of the songs the start of song actually? I think is it about having hope and then not having hope? Okay. Or no hope into hope. Or is it vision the first one and then Agatha the second half?

Okay, today was gonna be the day, but they'll never throw it back to you. Yeah, you're getting away with this and I'm trapped. And by now you should have somehow realized what you're not to do. Trap me but you've done it. Yeah, you cooked it. And I don't believe that anybody feels the way I do about you now. I hate you. Yo. And I don't believe that anybody feels the way I do about you now. I hate you.

I hate you. I'm very bad. And all the roads that lead you there are winding and all the lights that light the way are blinding. I'm having a bad time. There are many things that I would like to say to you, but I don't know how. Fuck you. Fuck you, because I'm also like a 1950s housewife again.

And here, once again, the rumbling, the stumbling point. I said, maybe you're going to be the one that saves me. And after all, you're gonna be the one saves me and after all You're my wonder wall. I can't get out. It actually makes more sense. Oh, you're my wonder wall. Yeah You're my wonder wall. I'm stuck here. You are my wall and it is your Could the wonder wall just trying to think here. It's the only part of the song that we can't quite get. So it does to me, it does feel maybe like it's a fan talking to like a sportsman or a sportsperson. They expect them to do really well and then from the first, you know, this was your chance, you were going to do do it all and they're very hopeful in the first half and then they're like

well you whiffed it yeah you fucked it up dude now could this be a Wonderwall could it be the backing of like a basketball ring yes could it be the kid okay from baseball right once cooped it three home runs. Yes. Because he has to get a kidney transplant. Yes. And Coop's like, I could hit three home, but then they get drunk with the kid. So drunk. Okay.

Who's like 12. Yes. Right. And then he's too drunk to play baseball properly. But he still gets two home runs. Yeah, and then the commentator's like, he whiffs the third and like, he must really fucking hate that kid.

Okay. I don't think that works now Do you want to know what the Gallagher Brothers are very interested? Yeah, what a wonderwall is? Yeah now Noel Gallagher Yeah, who is the guitarist and lead songwriter of Oasis? So he should know describes a wonderwall as an Imaginary friend who's gonna come and save you from yourself. We were right about imaginary. An imaginary? But a friend. You know how your friend is, you could would call your friend a wall?

No, no, I don't know. No, no, it doesn't make a heap. Okay, could the- Now. Yeah. Liam Gallagher said, no, it's just a beautiful word. said no it's just a beautiful word what's a wonderwall it's just a beautiful word it's like a cellar door but a cellar door is a door that goes into a cellar and a wonderwall is just a wall it's just a wonderwall dude well imaginary friend that comes to save you from yourself so I guess it's a consciousness speaking does that work? Could this be about Rick Myall the Rick Myall classic drop dead Fred?

Alright drop dead Fred. Rick Myall plays an imaginary friend to a girl I forget who she's played by. All I remember is that the mother he looks under the mother's skirt and says cobwebs. Yes he's a salacious dirty little guy. Anyway she as a child is like go away drop dead Fred we can't be friends anymore And then as an adult he returns Guess what? I'm back though. He is a sack of eggs and shit But he does in the end help her fix the life I'm pretty sure Could this be the imaginary friend from inside out? That elephant guy? Mr. Bloopy? Oh no, you know what? We're thinking too childlike with our imaginary

friend. I think the answer is quite clear now. I think that it is in fact Tyler Durden. Woah! Okay. Today's gonna be the day. The narrator, Tyler Durden. I'm gonna throw it back to you. That's a fist. Yeah.

Mmm. By now you should have somehow realized. This song takes place just in the middle of a Fight Club fight. Uh huh. And somebody's about to take on Angel Face. I think this is set when Project Mayhem's in full swing okay, and it's just before the end of the movie okay? Bye now when he's realized that So we took it so is he does he realize that Tyler is him or does he or we still know is that what happens in? The change in the song when the verses come back where he's like Tyler's good

And we're gonna do good by blowing up the city, and he's like Tyler actually stinks Well, we can we can see where it might be if we go through it by now You should have somehow realized what you gotta do blow up the city get rid of all the debt I don't believe that anybody feels the way I do about you now We are the best fucking friends and we started this awesome fire club and nothing ever tear us apart Well, not even the fact that we both love the same Marla beautiful woman. Yeah Isn't there there is a little theory that that be also she is part of that like another personality. That's true That means he was just full and jacking off. Yeah That's awesome. I'm back Pete. The word is on the street that the fire in your heart is out

Yeah, cuz he's like he's just well, yeah Yeah, the narrator kind of he stops to win fight clubbing. Yeah, but even before that like we're telling it all kind of happens He's like what the fuck I gotta go to these Griefing groups or whatever. He's looking at an Ikea thing and he's like fuck my shit. Could this all be about Bob? Okay, Angel face. No no no no no no Bob has bitch tits. Yeah Angel faces meatloaf not Jared leader. Yeah, so and then it's about, cause it's like, you know, before and after he, you know, he dies.

Okay. Does Angel Face die? No, Bob. Bob dies. That's right, Bob has a heart attack. Yeah. Or he gets killed in the ring. No, he gets shot, doesn't he?

Who shoots Bob? The security guy. I gotta think about Fight Club more. I don't remember Fight Club. I'm sure you've heard it all before, but you never really had a doubt. Mm-hmm. I guess, I guess, I don't remember my club. I'm sure you've heard it all before but you never really had a doubt Mm-hmm. I guess I get I don't know I don't believe that anybody feels the way I do about you now and all the roads

We have to walk a winding and all the lights the leaders there are blinding Okay, so that moment where he's like you got to let God take the wheel or whatever Yeah, yeah, and he just kind of lets his heck, you know your hands off the wheel and they just kind of cream The car kind of lets his like, you know your hands off the wheel and they just kind of clean the car kind of Why exactly? Probably street lights probably street lights or getting punched in the face. Is that blinding? Maybe there are many things that I would like to say to you, but I don't know how because you're talking yourself Yes. Yeah. Yeah, you actually can't say them to you know two people

Yeah, yeah, yeah, because maybe you're gonna be the one that saves me and after all you're my imaginary friend Yeah, and we're gonna make soap together Yeah out of the fat of the rich and maybe you're gonna be the one that saves me It kind of makes sense because he's like Tyler Durden's getting me out of the you know He's getting me back in touch with my masculine center. He's making I'm no longer living that 90s yuppie lifestyle. I'm getting in touch with my primal urges. You're gonna save me. But then there's this sort of introspection to that.

After all, you're my imaginary friend. You're in my brain. Yes. Could it be like a Wonderwall is like sound, like a metaphorical punching bag? Okay. Maybe we go back to Fight Club, because it's the whole idea of like a metaphorical punching bag. And because again, we go back to Fight Club because it's a whole idea of like metaphorical punching bag and because again you know it's a thing

think about that toxic masculinity, that anger and all that kind of stuff that Venereo feels, how he's like and he wants to punch something if he punches a wall right he's gonna hurt his fists and so that's kind of like where it might be coming from. Tyler Durden is like a wonderful wall. Yeah because he's you know yeah he's gonna you know punch him he's gonna him, if you see where to punch a wall, but kind of punch himself. Like, if it's a metaphorical punching wall, does that make sense? Punching wall, punching back. A metaphorical punching wall, you know, one of them. Yeah.

There's gonna be a day they're gonna throw it back to you, as in like, things have gone awry. All the stuff that you're sending out, I're gonna throw back to you as in like I'm the little things of God You sending out I'm gonna throw back to you. Yeah. Yeah, so I'm I'm so okay. Is it about self-realization? I'm angry at the world or whatever. I'm like, I've everyone is pieces of shit, but it's like no dude You're the piece of shit and then like oh no So by now you should have somehow realized what you got to do stop being a piece of shit Yeah, I don't believe that anybody feels the way I do about you now, like you are a piece of shit, but I'm kinda maybe proud that there's a bit of growth. That maybe you wanna not be a piece of shit.

So the word on the street is that the fire in your heart is out, because again, you've been disillusioned with your yuppie life, your drone-like lifestyle of go to work, buy stuff from Ikea and that's it. It's so funny that I miss it Project X, that's a movie. Yes. Gen X, all the Gen X movies are disillusioned about having a job that's good. Yeah, I know.

I got all this money to buy all these things in this apartment that I have. I wonder if I was doing something else. My office space stinks because I'm getting paid for a guy to be like, hey, gotta do your job. I have For a guy to be like hey, yeah Gotta do your job exactly is meaningless all jobs are meaningless, but money you need it Yeah, I've been fucked in the arse hole And there is nothing you can do to stop it now You just got to get money and fucking hope that things get better exactly dude Yeah, I'm sure about um you never heard it before, but you never really had a doubt mr.

Magorium's wonder and Boreum Wonder I'm trying to think of things that have wonder in there mr. Magorium his Emporium is what it what if it is about like like the His Emporium is wonderful. What if it is about, like, the seven wonders of the world? And didn't we hit, maybe did we hit this on the head kind of early? Great Wall of China. Where the Great Wall of China is one of the wonders. Honestly, if you say what's the most wonderful wall. It's the Great Wall of China.

So is it about the Matt Damon vehicle? Great Wall. Great Wall. Great Wall where if memory serves, Matt Damon, yeah the Great Wall was designed to keep monsters out that were in Mongolia? So Matt Damon is being told by presumably a co-star of the movie like hey you're gonna save the day. Yeah. And then Matt Damon's singing to the Great Wall of hey, you're gonna save the day. Yeah, and then Matt Damon singing to the Great Wall of China You're my one the wall. You're gonna help me save the day. Yeah Is it that maybe it's just about what the Great Wall of China in general Okay, and it's like a guy building it just like talking about how much you appreciate and he's like it and it's written the day He finishes it. Yeah, today's gonna be the day that they're gonna throw back to you. There are gonna be enemies of China

finishes it. Yeah, he says today's gonna be the day that they're gonna throw back to you. There are gonna be enemies of China. And they're gonna throw it back to you, it being what you're made of. Yes, rocks. Stones and bricks and rock and whatever. And by now you should have realized what you gotta do. Defend the great country of China. And I don't believe that anybody feels the way I do about you now. I love being in this wall. The kind of love that a man has for a piece of art. Did they make like it out of rice and stuff? Like they use like for the gluing it all together? I think I have heard that, yeah, like a glutinous kind of... I think I've heard that, I don't know though, specifically. I only made it out of brick, personally.

Oh yeah, I mean some of it is. And back beat, the word is on the street, that the fire in your heart is out. Were they finished forging the stones? I'm sure you've heard it all before, but you never really had a doubt, and I don't believe that anybody feels away about all can have doubts And all the roads we have to walk a winding

Winding and all the lights that leads there a blinding Okay, so in Milan, okay I can name one now all of China knows you're here Bonfire things are like the signals of when is that when is that when the Mongolians are attacking? That's when they did they do the line they light something they say now all of China knows you yes So that like is all the lights there because the lights are blinded the The lights are blinding here. Is it to Genghis Khan? Okay, does this help? So sticky rice soup was mixed around 500CE. So sticky rice soup was mixed with slacked lime to make an inorganic organic

Composite mortar that had more strength and water resistance than lime mortar and sticky rice played a major role maintaining the durability of the Great Wall as well as tombs, pagodas and city walls. We really need one of those string boards. So we have all these clues up How does the Great Wall of China connect to Lightning McQueen? The Great Wall of China does exist in cars. And Lightning McQueen would love to drive on it. So I think this might be about maybe just the people, you know, like what a great wall this was, keeping everyone out. Yeah. I think that might be what they're talking about. And maybe you're going to be the one that saves me from the horrors that are coming.

And after all, you're my one and only. I.E. Great wall of China. But then today was going to be the day. This is after the wall. But they never throw it back to you. Or maybe this is that person the wall, but then I throw it back to you, or maybe this is ancestor Centuries later reflecting be like hey wall you stood wall. You've done your job. It's time to retire Yeah, you can rest you can

By now you should have somehow realized what you're not to do you no longer need to defend China. You're fine I don't believe that anybody feels the way I do about you now. Again, once again, the powerful, beautiful love between a man and a wall. There's no more powerful bond. There truly isn't. I just don't think there is. Between a man and his wall? Wow. I think we nailed this on the head pretty much out of the gate initially. I think you're right, guys. And you know what? As much as I would love to think this was actually about Oasis getting into some sort of car accident and going into car realm and seeing the future of cars and having to write about it We all wish that were the case. Oh, that would be wonderful. Unfortunately, I think we don't have evidence that didn't happen We don't have evidence. That might be another song we don't know

But I feel it's more evidence that maybe they were just talking about a man's love between a great wall and a man a man's love between a great wall and a man's love between a wall and a man and that might have been what Noel wanted us to think when he wrote the song but I think that's what Liam wanted us to think he said it's a beautiful word it is a beautiful wall. He actually tried to say it's a beautiful wall. Yeah he just slipped. And he fucked it. It's a beautiful wall. He's got a thick accent. We just couldn't quite grasp it. It's a beautiful wall. It's a beautiful wall. It is a beautiful wall. It is a beautiful wall. Well, on that note, I've been Joel. I've been Jackson. And I've also been Joel.

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