Plumbing the Death Star - How Would You Market Westworld to Investors?

Episode Date: June 16, 2024

We’ve come a long, long way to get to this point. We have realistic robots, a rootin’ tootin’ theme park diorama and the biggest of dreams. Now we just need the money to make it happen! So help us put on our cleanest black or white hat, saddle up our most comfortable horse because we have to pitch Westworld to investors. But when you really look at it, there’s not many gaps in the market for an anything goes wild west themed larp experience that’s extraordinarily expensive. To be honest, if you can’t make love to the robots I don’t think anyone would go. Which really makes you wonder why we even dress up our robot love making with this western aesthetic theme park and promise of immersive gaming? Surely we just cut to the chase and pitch a morally and ethically hostel to an extraordinarily wealthy person with extraordinarily dark proclivities to help them achieve their fantasy? It truly is a terrible idea for a theme park.Links to everything in our linktr.ee including our terrible merch, social media garbage and where to become a subscriber to Bad Brain Boys+ Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

You're listening to the Sands Pants Network. Westworld to Investors. Westworld. Yes. It's a wonderful little theme park where the people are real and you can, well, the robots are real. The people are real and the robots are fake. The people are real and the robots are people. Yeah, the people are real, the robots are real the people go there the robots are fake the people are real and the robots are people

yeah the people are real the robots are real you can make love to the robots also there's easter eggs where you can go and do certain things

and partake in a golden orgy I really like too much of this and you can also shoot them in the head the people are real the robots are real

you can fuck the robots and the love is real love is real you can convince the robots that they are in love with you you can convince yourself you're in love fuck the robots? And the love is real. Love is real. You can convince the robots that they are in love with you. You can convince yourself you're in love with the robots. Absolutely. Give me so many dollars. The horses are real.

Horses are real. Are they robots? No, they're robots. But the robots are real. The robots are real. Hey, so, one in Westfield. Refresh my memory. We're having this meeting.

We're about to go in and pitch to investors, to the sharks. Yeah, this is... This must have happened either a month before. Yeah. But right now, we're in the corridor outside of the meeting. Okay, okay, okay. So, in the television program Westworld, when they go to Westworld, is that peak Westworld or have things gotten fucked up?

No, that's peak Westworld. That's peak Westworld. So, they're just having a normal Westworld. Is that peak Westworld or have things gotten fucked up? No, that's peak Westworld. So they're just having a normal Westworld time. It's a normal day at Westworld until things go really wrong at Westworld. But here's the spoiler of Westworld season one, is that you're actually seeing two timelines. Yeah, no, I knew that. But both of them, it's gone fine.

Jimmy Smits or whatever is the future? Is that his name? No, not Jimmy Smits. Jimmy Smits is the past. Also, that's not Jimmy Smits, but I like that. It's Jimmy Samson or something like that. The Greasy Guy.

One of the McFoyles from... Yeah. Mr. Greasy is the baby. He baby Ed Harris' dad. That's the dad, but also the same guy. Yeah, well, baby grow up to be dad. Yes. Mr. Greasy from Always Sunny turns into Ed Harris? Yes.

Yeah, he does. Oh, time's crazy. Yeah. Is Westworld at peak both times? I'm guessing. It's crazy. People in the second era aren't like Westworld fell off. No.

It's crazy to think. Because, yeah, the twist that it's too timeline is because yeah it's great back then and it's great now yeah nothing's changed

how did they do that twist like as in like how did they make that a twist you think you're following two narratives

yeah and then in the end you realize that Ed Harris is there because of the first and they're both just having a nice time no I mean

things go wrong but it's not Westworld's fault oh what happened to go wrong well I mean it is Westworld's fault because the robots become alive.

The robots are real. Well, Greasy Boy kind of gets too, he goes too deep. He loses himself. He does what you shouldn't do when you go deep undercover and fall in love. He falls in love. Okay, so Mr. Grease, in the past past falls in love with a robot. And then he accidentally sparks a rebellion? No, Mr. Grease in the past falls in love with a robot,

but the robot he falls in love with is a really early model that has too much sentience. And they've had to dull her sentience. Yeah, and they keep kind of moving their different roles around. So on one iteration of the storyline, maybe you're the head, don't know of the gang yeah the other time you're just a humble banker and then the other one well now you're a prostitute yeah exactly you know it kind of keeps going and keep and she keeps waking up in the lab where they

clean the cum out of the robots or whatever one can only assume yeah one has to imagine and then she's like what the hell am i a freaking robot yeah but then she learns to hide it and then it's ed harris is like I want you to remember me. Yeah, but she's like, bro, I'm a machine. Bro, I don't remember Jack's shit. And they've all got little balls that are their brains. They're little black balls, and then obviously stuff goes wrong after that. But Westworld for a very long time.

That's not why we're here. We're here to be like. It's running like clockwork. We're here to be like, investors, we want to make a theme park. Yeah. We want to make a theme park where you don't know who's real and who's not, and the guns are real. Does anyone, do real people die at Westworld?

Only when things go really wrong. Yeah, initially, no. Which to me, I think kind of gets rid of some of the fun in a way that obviously. Excuse me? No, sorry. You're not allowed to talk at the investment meeting if you're like Nah. No one's really died.

Well, because you go into a gunfight against another cowboy. And obviously you live in the fantasy, I'm Johnny the cowboy. I'm ready to kill this other cowboy. Quick draw! But he never has a chance against you. Because his bullets, when they recognize a human being it's just like a blank fires.

So I'm never really in danger. What happens when... So that makes the attraction worse? Well, it just means that it's harder to get immersed. What do you mean? It's like playing a video game where you've got invincibility on the whole time. No, it's like playing a video game that's a bit real. It would be like, what you're describing is,

I can't have fun unless I'm playing a video game with that prototype headset that kills me if I die in the game. I think if the bullets just bruised you, that would be fine. If the bullets... I need to feel that impact. Because otherwise, I'm not scared. I need a bit of tension. Otherwise, what am I doing here? It's a theme park.

If I'm there for a week. You want to get shot. I want to feel like I could actually get shot. But if I know their bullets are going to fire blanks. Surely when you fire. Who cares? There's no tension. But it's a safety measure.

Yeah, well. Do you like to go on roller coasters even though there's a brace? Yeah, but that's not part of the fantasy go on roller coasters even though there's a brace? Yeah, but that's not part of the fantasy of the roller coasters that I might fall off. But part of the fantasy of being in a theme park. Well, part of the thrill is that it's dangerous. Yeah, but it's not dangerous. Yeah. Yeah, so.

No, that's what I'm saying for roller coasters. Yeah. It's you trick your brain. Yeah, it wouldn't work for me. Because your brain at that moment. It wouldn't work for you. Yeah, you're different. If I knew that the bullets couldn't hurt me,

I would probably engage in less shootouts with cowboys. But if the bullets could hurt you, you'd shoot out more. Yes, they don't obviously have to kill me. I don't want that. They could at the bare minimum impact. So we're going to make you a suit. Yes. That when Johnny Robot Cowboy

shoot you, you can get a haptic feedback suit for VR that electrocutes you when you take damage in the game. If I wore that the whole time, that would be fine. Then I would have a much better time at Westworld. If the gun activated

the haptic feedback suit. All right. We need to not let him talk. I want to mark, because mostly like with the theme park, you've got to mark it at the families. Yeah. The idea that you want to be hurt by this so that you can have a good time is crazy.

I know it's kind of crazy to come up with the first roadblock you have. For me, it would be like, I don't want to deal with his fetish shit, right? But then I know that the theme park ends with people fucking the hell out of robots.

Everyone's fucking the robots. God damn it. Is that part of the experience? Yeah. Or is it something you can do?

No, it's part of the experience. It's part of the experience. It's fucked up. It's like, also kind of a weird robot brothel. Yeah.

That's the sort of vibe of the theme park for some reason. It's very strange. It's like they went into the meeting and were like, you know when you're at Disneyland and you just desperately wish you could fuck Minnie Mouse? And the investors are like, yes,

not what? Excuse me? Huh? Because the technology that is there, it's like, okay, we can have lifelike robots. Looking at them, it's hard to distinguish if they're real or not. But we all know that they are robots. And so we're going to make the theme park an emergence kind of thing.

You can go in there. You can be a cowboy. And they're all going to have little storylines that you can partake in. And you're like, oh, yeah, cool. But then it's just like you go to a theme park and I kind of want, where's the rides? Where's the roller coaster? But it's not that kind of theme park.

No, we're not doing that. We're doing LARPing. It's a big LARP. It's a big LARP. It's a big. And so, yes, you can have shootouts with some cowboys. You can protect the gang. So you can fight that gang against the town or you can join the gang against the town.

Black hat, white hat. That's what they give you the option at the beginning. Bang, I'm a good guy. My question, I guess, maybe this is more of a good question before we go into investors, because I'm also thinking of like, well, what if we have like competing storylines? What if, you know, we have two friends that come in, one's doing white hat, one's doing black hat. What happens? I, but is that part of...

What happens if they use their gun on each other? I don't think that they allow that. I think the same thing would happen I think your guns we good? I think we're good is the chip in the gun or the robot?

I don't know I think it's in the gun I think it's in the gun because eventually the robots figure out how to turn it off okay so it's in the gun yeah

another thing is like okay so for some reason we're like we can make sweet love to these robots you can fuck these bots baby so we're not

appealing to families? well we're appealing to, and we can make sweet love to the you can fuck yeah, but baby um so we're not repealing to Families well we're appealing to moms and dads So who don't like to fuck down? It's like a week. Yeah, it's a week to a month So it's like it's been a lot of time It's just it's very expensive to go and it's like something like thirty thousand forty thousand dollars a day all right something fuck Okay, so we're not we're okay. We're pivoting $30,000, $40,000 a day. Something fucked.

Okay, so we're pivoting. We're pitching the Star Wars hotel. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is kind of like, you know, got me thinking about this all because you're like, the Star Wars hotel, very expensive.

It closed down. You can't sleep with a single Twilight. You can't sleep with any of the actors there. They won't even let you have a proper lightsaber fight. Jackson would have hated it. Well, but with a lightsaber, you can at least hit me. I don't know why this is crazy.

It's a real gun. Yes. So if there's any threat, it could go so wrong. In my perfect Westworld, it would not be a real gun. It would hit me with, like, a pellet. Because otherwise it's just a power thing. I go into Star Wars and I'm up against some bastard and they have a lightsaber. And I go to protect my body and they don't cut off my hand.

Zero stars. I would never go again. Disgusting. They can hit my hand. Otherwise it's just a power fantasy, and I'm not interested. I'm not interested in going in there and being like, I'm in the middle of a shootout, right? In the town, in the middle of town.

The gangs are coming, and I'm hiding behind a crate. Well, yeah, obviously I'm hiding, but I'm not hiding for any reason. Because if I stood up and just walked over to each of them and plugged them in the head, there's no threat to me. But isn't that basically what Ed Harris does? Yes. I think I've become the man in black like that. I don't think I could immerse myself in a situation where it is meant to be similar to a video game.

Yet he fall in love. Yeah, I don't think that would happen to me. Or I fall in love with, but it's like The prospector Who has the like The treasure quest Or whatever Love No Remember me Oh I'm sorry son

Falling in love Or forming a romantic Relationship Would be fine In your situation Because you can actually Have sex with them Yeah sure

Absolutely So like there's no Difference there for you Because you hate the gun Because it won't Actually hurt you Yeah But you're happy

To fall in love Because they can Break your heart. Yeah. Like all of that's real technically. Sure. I'm not against someone falling in love. I don't think it would happen to me.

I mean, who knows? You know, you meet the right robot. But I don't think that it would happen to me. I think otherwise it's just a power trip and I'm not interested. I just, yeah, going to the investors. I guess we need to figure out, all right, okay, before we figure out pitching our own Westworld, what ends up happening it's just like yeah so a lot of these robots like what is that what is what are we doing here we are pitching to very wealthy

individuals yeah one percenters of the world to be like come and be a cowboy can multiple billionaires come at the same time come enjoy your i guess I guess cowboy power trip. You know when you have too much money billionaire. They're basically like you look at us like we're ants. Insignificant morsels of nothing to you. Well what if we can give you that. You know how you've always wanted to kill a man.

Here's your opportunity. You can brutally torture the Westworld robots. And in fact that's fine. You don't actually pay more money for that. Is it encouraged? Well, they don't stop it. Yeah, but like, is it the kind of thing where... I'm guessing they want you to...

They're expecting you to actually shoot and kill. Yeah, but say torture. Say I'm a wealthy billionaire and I'm flicking through my... This is the future of my hollow television. And I see an ad for Westworld. What, as part of the ad, are they like,

come to Westworld and live a fully immersive experience, or is there some hint or something in there where they're like, you can do whatever you like to these fucking robots? Well, there's a lot of hidden aspects, right? Little Easter eggs. You know, a lot of, you know, talk to the right person,

I don't know, walk counterclockwise three times and slam a window. Yeah, yeah. And it opens up a secret thing, right? Because we do see like secret storylines or at least, you know, programming that, again, would have had to have been sorted by somebody and then there's like, hey, here's a little sneaky trick for you.

Yeah. And so I'm guessing it's like, you know, of the 1% of the 1%, or maybe you find out they're dark proclivities. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so you're like, well, for a little bit of extra mil, we can do something along those lines. Yeah, give you a custom story. There is some stuff that happens, which is like, oh, it's very rarely happens.

Yeah. When that one person experiences that gold-painted orgy. Yes, that's right. Yeah, yeah. Is a good example. So everyone in there is painted gold. Yeah, and they're fucking down. That's awesome. So I reckon what that was. Do. So everyone in there has painted gold? Yeah, and they're fucking down. That's awesome.

So I reckon what that was. Do they join in or just watch? I think they join in. Do they also cover themselves in gold paint? I forget. I don't really remember. It's been a long time since I watched Westworld. But Westworld's still so relevant.

That's why we're doing the episode. Exactly. Not only has it been so long since I've seen it, I don't think you can get it in any legitimate ways. There's a certain brilliant man who made sure that it no longer exists on the map. Goodbye, Westworld. So, my theory there

would be, clearly, what's happened is a very wealthy, wealthy billionaire has been like, look, I've always wanted to partake in a golden orgy. Can you program that in? And so the programmers are like, there we go. We've programmed it in. This is what you need to do to do it you're like sick and then they go off and do that and they just

leave it in there because you know wow the leading code who cares exactly and surely that would attract some people and then it's a bit of a you know on the on the westworld forums yeah yeah like you know on like our westworld um secrets survived yeah, you know, oh, did you know if you do this, this, and this, yeah, you can go and have a bit of a fun time and have a gold orgy. The idea of living out other people's fantasies feels like it would appeal to you, Jackson. Yeah, either way.

Like, if Westworld was just all of things like that, being like, can you program in this? And then you just got to go in and experience all of those things. It's like exploring someone else's house. You're not wrong. The dream of exploring someone else's house is opening their fridge and being like you put the milk there.

I don't think it's a sort of similar. I forgot that you just have this desire to go through people's I think if I was the last man on earth that's what I would do every day. It's weird because I've stayed in Airbnbs with you and you don't explore that much. It's different because an Airbnb has been set up for guests.

But someone's personal life, in a way, the way a single person maybe has their fridge laid out is incredibly intimate. You know what I mean? Because it's so personal and nothing to the person. But it's also so integral to them.

I would say that, yeah, also looking into a pantry as well. Same vibe. What things have you bought at the supermarket? Another little layout, like a little step there. What's their layout of like

where they put everything in the kitchen? Oh yes, absolutely. Because there's all those little micro decisions there. You're like, what's different?

Looking at the pots and pans. You guys are going to go to friends' houses more because these, you're making this sound like it's perverted, but these are all things you can just do

if you're in someone else's house. And we do. Yeah. Like the fridge isn't, it's perverted, but these are all things you can just do if you're in someone else's house. Yeah, we do. Like, the fridge isn't... Yeah, but they're like a person I know. It's not intimate. Whatever. It's a person I know, so it's not quite the same.

Oh, so you want to go into a random house. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And open a fridge. It's very heuristic, I suppose. Yeah. You know what? You know. And it's not sexual, shockingly.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I've heard that a lot with you. Like, no, this one I get. Yeah. You're curious. I get it. I don't know, it's interesting. I'm there.

A real... I can imagine opening, like, if I end up in a stranger with you. Like, no, this one I get. Yeah. You're curious. I get it. I don't know, it's interesting. I'm there. A real. I can imagine opening, like, if I end up in a stranger's house, opening the fridge just to see what's in there in the sense of, like, maybe there'll be something good. Yeah. Like, I don't care where someone puts the milk. Unless it's something fucked up. And I'll be like, that's a stupid place. I think it's just fun extrapolating a life backwards from what's in the fridge.

You like to have an imagination about it. Like, who? Yeah. Who is Johnny Disfridge? It's like finding a discarded shopping list that's been handwritten and trying to figure out what they were making. It's fascinating. You're pretty much giving yourself a little adventure.

Yeah, of course. Bro, I'm the last man alive. What else is going on? Yeah. It's either that or jerk my little tiny weenie penis off. Yeah, in hopes that jerking it off so much it grows. But it never does. It just shapes.

There's no lube left. If you were going to Westworld, what would you get out of it? Say I've given you a free ticket to Westworld, you've not paid it, you've got a free week on the Wild West, on the frontier. So I would probably try and find a lot of these

secrets and easter eggs because roleplaying doesn't do a lot of these secrets and Easter eggs because role-playing doesn't do a lot for me. Meaning that Westworld just at its core. You wouldn't be having a good time. To me, it would be the same as if I just go to Disneyland, I'm standing in Frontier Town. I'm like, cool. So if somebody came up to you, a prospector, and they fall over

and out of their overalls falls a little treasure map and they're like, oh, did you see that treasure map? And then they tuck it away. He's going to be like, ignore the guy. Well, it doesn't matter. Would you come with me and we'll find the treasure? This is where. Role played with me.

And you also have to be dressed up, though. Yeah. You can't just be in like. You're dressed like a cowboy. You have to be a cowboy. I know. I know. Would you go black hat or white hat when they offer?

Well, so here's the thing Jackson You know how you were talking about I would love to do a gun fight But the bullets have to hurt me I feel like that but for the whole experience Where I'm like none of this We're just having a little play My brain wouldn't let me get around it Enough

So what would you say to the prospector Would you like to come with me into the mountains there's gold up there uh i might only because i'd be like you feel bad no i wouldn't feel bad because i wouldn't you got here you're here for a week yeah no i know i think i would probably go just for something to do yeah just to see other stuff yeah i reckon there'd be like a little chip or something like a little recognition in all like the robots' brains where they see you, and you're like, wanna come see my gold? And you're like,

I guess. They're like, you don't seem very excited, do you? You don't have to come with me. You don't have to. Is there anything that you'd like that we could improve this experience, sir? Have I been the ideal prospector? If you would like to form a complaint.

Oh, no, I've broken the game. Can you fill out this survey? Yeah, because, like, what is real in Westworld? So if I'm eating or drinking, I'm not in a computer, I understand this. The food is real. You're walking around using your human legs and arms. Yeah, so the food and drink was obviously real because again you're not in a computer yes

so like when if prospectors for example is like go to the mines in the mountains and I guess I'm actually hiking yeah

you're getting on a mule with him it's just you and the prospector yeah me and Dammit are like he went for the first quest he's on he's doing the prospector mule quest

is the gold real? no you don't get the gold but you might beule quest. Is the gold real? No. You don't get the gold. But you might be able to then spend the gold in town on cowboy things. Yeah. So once you and the prospect come back rich, you can then go to the brothel and pick a high-class prostitute. So really the only thing you get out of Westworld is sex.

Well, it seems to be. Because every single. And if you like violence. Yeah. You get out of Westworld as sex. Well, it seems to be, yes. Because every single- And if you like violence, you get to brain a lot of robots. Yeah, that's true. Because it seems like every single quest line pretty much just all paths lead to the brothel. I don't know, but it does seem that way. If you had a lot of gold in cowboy times, what are you spending it on? Buy a house, a nice horse.

Okay, you could do that. You got a nice horse, you got a nice house. Yeah, but I'm... It's day two. You know what? I don't have them. Yeah, but you are in that house for the rest of your time in Westworld. Which is only a week.

Yeah, but still. Otherwise, you're sleeping in either the hotel in town or camping. The hotel in town's fine. Yeah, okay. Fair enough. Fair enough. No, I mean, like're sleeping in either the hotel in town or camping. The hotel in town is fine. Yeah, okay. Fair enough. Fair enough. No, I mean, like, as in – You can't immerse yourself.

You're not going to do anything for it. Yeah, you can't just, like, I'm here for the rest of my life. I mean, you can. Like, I mean, you know, Ed Harris does in a weird way because he keeps spending too much money in Westworld. Yeah. But there is this kind of thing of, like, you know, you're going in there and it's like, are you a main character? Yeah. Because, like, is that what we're selling? Yeah, yeah yeah because like is that what we're selling yeah yeah absolutely that's

what it's meant to feel like if that's the case how do you have multiple main characters multiple quests but then what if we both want to do then we gotta we gotta share what i mean it's like all right say for example like you know we're there you're you know me and douche are there you're not included i bought you the tickets i'm watching on a monitor you're... Me and Deuce were there. You're not included. I bought you the tickets. I'm watching. You're watching because of your sick precluses. I hope they open the fridge so I can see what's in it. It's not sexual.

It's not. Johnny Prospector, he falls over. There's a map. He's like, Come with me. There's treasure in the hill. We both look at each other and we're like, Yeah, alright. And then he's like, Oh, they're both doing the cross-picture. Well, then your story is about two cowboy friends going to get gold in the mountain.

Yeah. But that's something I'm unclear about because they do a lot in the first series where the day repeats. Yeah. So I don't know if in the course of a week the same things happen in town every day. Or if it's like you get the week-long experience where they have different stuff happening at all times. Because if it's the same thing in town every day, that wrecks it even more for me.

If every day I wake up and I see that motherfucking prospector... It's Groundhog Day. I've slept with a high-class prostitute in the brothel and then the next morning I wake up and I see somebody else doing the prospector quest, I'm like well and you can't even shoot them

because your gun won't work exactly am I a robot oh no I can't shoot I can't even shoot the prospector no you can shoot

the prospector nobody does the quest today yeah but I don't know okay well my next question was

assuming that it's not a repeat every single day what if you were in there for a month yeah how long would you But I don't know. Okay. Well, my next question was, assuming that it's not a repeat every single day, what if you were in there for a month? Yeah. How long would you have to be in there before you got immersed? It'd have to be a year at least.

At minimum, sorry. No, it'd be a month, right? It's got to be a month. I think a month you'd be sucked in. A month you'd have to be sucked in. You know what? A year is probably a little too long. A year is scary. Yeah.

It has to be. A month is too short. A fortnight? Yeah. I reckon. No, a month's too short for too long. A year is scary. Yeah. It has to be. A month is too short. A fortnight? Yeah. I reckon. No, a month's too short for me. Think of like a holiday. Yeah.

I'm going to go. You have to be coming in 10 days, right? Yeah. I'm going to go six to eight weeks. Yeah, fair. Before I'm like, all right, I guess I'm going to have to pretend this is real. At what point in the six? What are you doing before those six weeks?

You just get in there, like walking around, being a big grumpus, being like. We're not grumpy. I guess I'll come and walk and get this quest. Yeah, well, because what else am I meant to do? You're feeling very apathetic. Well, enjoy yourself. Lean in. You feel like the surly teen, dressed all in black.

The wild west. Come on, kid. We're enjoying the wild west. I don't want to. It's not that I want to. I want to. It's just losers like you. Oh, I'm hurtful.

My son is so mean to me. This is 30k a fucking day. I don't know why people would fetishize the Wild West so much to the point where- That's also another question. Well, it's all of the Westworld places. There are places where a specific subset of the world was in a great deal of power. That's a weird undercurrent they did nothing with in Westworld. Because there are other places.

It's more than just Westworld. If maybe one of these would appeal to you more. So you have Westworld. You have the British Raj. You have Shogun World, I think it's called, or Samurai World. You have World War II World. You also have... And you can pick a side.

I guess so. I think the idea there is that it's like a spy fantasy, but most... I don't know. They don't explore it massively. And then like 1920s prohibition gangster world. Any of these more up your alley? The only one that is more...

I like more than Westworld there would be like maybe the 1920s gangster one. Yeah. I could get syphilis from Al Capone. Fucking crazy if you come away with real syphilis. Okay. So we have, you know, the multi-billionaire Joel Dusha.

He's requested that he gets syphilis from Al Capone. Can we do that? Can we physically do that now? Just like, can a computer give a man syphilis? Are we going to make a digital syphilis for this man? Also funny because I could, it sounded like you said he wants to get syphilis from Al Capone. Is that what he asked for? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I want syphilis, I want to receive it from Al Capone. Okay. I mean, it's his fantasy. It's what he wanted, right? Yeah. Yeah, 1920. Make you a robot syphilis, I suppose. But, like, I don't know.

I just feel like the Prohibition era, there's a lot more interesting stuff for me going on. But even then. It's all fake, right? I feel for you it's the same problem, no matter what it is. My brain. It's like it's a video game that takes all the, I don't know, fun out of a video game. Well, no, it's like... In a way.

Because you don't like a Skyrim or any game where you make your own story. We've established this before. I'm a You Are Craig gamer and not I'm Craig. I'm aware. Oh, no, it was You Are Craig and not Who's Craig. Yes, exactly. You want the game to tell you, hey, buddy, you're Craig. Hey, are you Craig?

Well then, what about if in Westworld they were like, hey, you're... But here's the thing. I know it's not real. My brain... It's like... I'm just not the audience for this. Yeah, well, it's just interesting to try and figure out how to make it appeal to you. Alright, alright. The gods have to be real!

That's how it appealed to me. So, hey, well, come to Westworld, and you can have this emergent cowboy time, and you can have your own OC. You can make your own character, and they can kind of be there coming down to the Wild West, and they can kind of explore the world as they want. Or we have some archetypes that you have, and you can be Johnny Outlaw. You can be Johnny Sheriff. Can I be Craig?

You are Craig. You are Craig. You can be Johnny Sheriff. Can I be Craig? You are Craig. You are Craig. He can be Craig, who just runs a general store. Yeah. And you can kind of have a bunch of different archetypes where it's like, well, here is actually your role and your backstory. Not going to lie, this all sounds bad,

and I wouldn't want to go. Yes, me neither. Because a video game is good because you're sitting down and you're playing a little game. But actually, it's like VR doesn't, like putting on a VR headset is fun. Yeah. In a sense of like it's different. Yeah.

But you can take a VR headset off in 15 minutes when you get bored. I know. It just often feels like the rest of the idea is someone who doesn't really understand why people play a game. Yeah. Because imagine having to travel to then just spend a week pretending. I know, right? Like, hey, can I fast travel? is someone who doesn't really understand why people play a game. Yeah. Because imagine having to travel to then just spend a week pretending. I know, right? Like, hey, can I fast travel?

No. No. Okay. Another thing I keep thinking about is that when you see everybody going into Westworld, they basically all just play cowboys. Yeah. Like as in like your archetypical John Wayne cowboy. But what if I was like, I want to be a snake oil salesman,

traveling town to town, selling ointments that do nothing. That's my fantasy. That sounds very hard to set up going in and then to live out. Especially if there's other people in there. If it was just you, that's easy. This is why I just don't understand, in a weird way, how they kind of operate for a giant influx of player characters. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because, yeah, sure, oh, well, it's two people going off to prospect. Oh, it's like a group of 30 going off with a prospect.

It's once you scale it up, it becomes somehow stranger. Well, another weird thing is that in the show, everyone becomes cowboys or whatever, which means that they are going to shoot these robots with their gun. I think you put me in there, and because it feels real, I'm like, I don't really want to take a life. I'd be more likely to be a snake oil salesman and just talk to people and vibe out what's going on.

Can I have a dump charisma, basically, to be like, I want to talk my way out of this. I don't want to be like... I guess that's a one-way ticket express pass to the orgy. I guess, yeah. But I think the thing with Westworld is it would work. If you were like

every combat encounter, I'd just say, hey, don't shoot me. They're going to be like, why? Like, they probably won't shoot you because it's all designed

for your fantasy. And your, yeah. Yeah. And I guess also when we come back to, like, yeah, that's the shooting aspect of it all.

What I'm wondering is, like, why did we have this whole camp? Yeah. This whole, this giant theme park as it were to like immerse yourself in cowboy times you can have big shootouts you can go find treasure but also you can just probably have sex with everybody

it's a robot why didn't we just open that welcome to fuck world porno world porno world well no but I kind of get it from, so obviously when you're watching pornography, and we can have a frank discussion. Yeah, we can.

We're amongst friends. We're amongst friends. We're all adults. Sometimes you watch pornos and it's just a cock going into a pussy. Mm-hmm. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And you're like, well, this is fine, but it's also kind of devoid from anything human. Yeah, I need a bit of personality.

I need a narrative. I need some reason that that cock's going into that pussy. Or even, even, even something as simple as I would like to see them get undressed. Yeah. Or the camera to pan out. Yeah.

So it's just hole and hog. Yeah, exactly. Whoa, going whole hog. Whoa. Is that what that means? Huh?

So yes, there is this kind of like element of like, well, I want a bit of a storyline. I want a bit of my romance. Look, I like my smut to be, you know, to titillate my mind and my nether region. They need to be doing maths while they fuck. You know, if my sexual fantasy is I start working on a farm and there's a sexy farmhand there and he's, you know.

There's a sexy pig. And ithand there. There's a sexy pig. It's fine because it's a robot pig. Yeah, I'm going to fuck that robot pig. It thinks like a real pig. It's a real pig. A billionaire paid us a lot of money for this. And we're all like, David Cameron, don't do that. No, no, no, no, no.

Okay, so then why are we spending all this time, money, energy, and resource if we wanted to, to be like, well, we could just scale this back down. We're making a, not only are we making a small town, we're making a small town with like hills, like vast hills over there you go to. We've got like someone who's building like a log cabin by a lovely lake or whatever. You're putting in all this resource that mostly goes unwatched, unviewed, unseen kind of thing. And the same thing about, yeah, traveling, right?

Oh, okay, cool. I get the prospect that I've got to go to the hills. In some video games, not all, but in some, you're like, sweet. All right, loading screen. I'm now at the hills. Or at least after a while I can have some markers and I can fast travel. This, I'm like, sick, I'm here for three days. Day two was spent getting to the hills.

So I'm like, why isn't it just... It kind of reminds me of this very old comedy article I read, don't remember where. Ten things that you think aren't cock behaviour but make you a cock by Gladstone on Cracked. Is that the comedy article? It wasn't Cracked. No, it might have been

something awful article, but basically it was called Dolores, Where Are The Toilets? And the idea was that you're hanging out with Dolores in the middle of, halfway through your quest and you're like, I need to take a shit.

But all around me are outhouses or just holes in the ground. So being like, Dolores, where are the real toilets? Yeah. And I think that is a problem with Westworld. It's like the basic,

you still want it to be a holiday. Yeah. Those basic amenities, you still want to be there. I want riding a horse to somehow be more comfortable than riding a real horse. Which is probably something they could do though. Really, they're robots. I want the guns to hurt me, but if the horse feels like a real horse,

my immersion is also ruined. It's because the horse isn't a threat to me. That's so strange. No, but it causes the same discomfort you're talking about. No. You have some very weird parameters. I think exactly what I'm talking about makes sense. There's no danger in a gunfight, but you don't want there to be danger with riding a horse.

There can be danger. I just don't want to saw balls. I don't want saddle sores, I guess. Yeah. I would like to be able to shit in a real toilet if I can, but also I would like if somebody hits me with a bat to feel an impact. To be honest, Jackson, yeah, I can. Otherwise, what's the point?

I understand. I understand. Well, what's the point of doing any of it if you're pretending to be a cowboy and they're not shitting in your palm or whatever? Those things, those are the creature comforts that I want to. I want to immerse myself to a certain degree, but not this kind of level of immersion. I want to be able to be in a fight where there is a bit of danger there and I can feel some pain,

but it's not going to actually blow my arm off. But at the same time, I also want to make sweet love to a robot and get real blown. But also don't want to shit in a hole in the ground. And also I don't want to eat gross porridge. I want to eat, like, I'm paying $30,000 a day. Give me a delicious hamburger that i want or ham or ham give me ham okay yeah i i can kind of get it and so like yes traveling by horse yes we have to do that and it has to feel like being like on a horse if you're like

oh we know what a horse is like but honestly we have the technology to make it better then make it better then yeah exactly make exactly. Make a car. We've done it once before, we'll do it again. Replace the horse with car. That's how you can tell all the NPCs from the player characters, if they're just like the horses, they stand still and like without moving their legs,

they're just like... Those are the player characters. That's comfortable. Well, it does feel like the Westworld started as a different thing. And when you jump in, even in the past storyline in Westworld, it's a different thing to how they started it. Yeah. Because it feels very much like it was like, hey, come be a cowboy. Yeah.

And then people were like, I really want to fuck the robots. I know. It just feels like. All right. Your reward is you fuck the robots. Because it literally, from everything you've said, makes it feel like that you just go hang out in this town, pretend it's the Wild West, and your reward at the end of it is to get to have sex with whoever you want. Basically, it

does feel that way, which is why I'm like, why do they do all this stuff, whereas like, to be honest, why don't you just have a lovely little couple of houses? Basically, you become, yeah, you become a robot brothel. Just use, make a little couple of streets in Beverly Hills.

Sleep with the stars. And then you have robots. They're all like famous people. Oh, wow. Someone's going to, oh, that feels bad. People are going to be like, I'm suing the shit out of you for stealing my likeness. Fake famous people. There we go.

Like Johnny Movies. Bro, I can fuck the real Johnny Movies. Johnny Movies and Sheila Cinema. What if you got, say for example, you were like, all right, I understand that I tried to make... Maryland TV. Yeah, we tried to make real-life robots after real-life stars, and you would not believe the lawsuit we were threatening with

when someone voiced that. So what we have done instead is we've gotten cartoon characters life robots after real life stars and you would not believe the lawsuit when someone voiced that yeah what we have done instead is we've gotten cartoon characters and we've made what our interpretation of a real person the animated star but if they were real and then by me. Do you think... Maud Stamson. Maud Stamson. And Matt Groening cannot sue me because, yes, this is a lovely woman with giant blue hair. And the other skin. And yes, her name is Maud.

But it's not Maud. It's not a name you up... We can't say Maud. Do you think sleeping with Maud Simpson would be sexy or a nightmare? Like, a realist. It depends what you want, right? Because like a real Marge Simpson with like her underbite and I don't know, or Lois Griffin. Like that's not the shape of a human head.

Yeah, but this is like those if they had come to life by how we imagine it. What does the skin feel like? So if you want to make sweet love. What do you mean what does the skin feel like? Would it feel weird to touch a cartoon and it feel like human skin? When I voice it, it doesn't sound so crazy, does it? Well, they're not cartoons. They would look...

Also, it's like a humanoid. Yeah. It's basically... Think about cosplayers. Okay, okay. Imagine if Marge Simpson came to life and this is what we have approximated. A 3D beautiful woman. Okay.

They look exactly like a regular human. Yeah. So you've got Maud Sampson. Yeah. Betty Bloop. Yeah. Roddy Bloop. Louie Goffin.

Goffin. But, okay, say I would like to make love. All of their husbands are out of town, unless you want to fuck their husbands, in which case they'll come back. Yeah, yeah, yeah. A xenomorph? Why not? As an alien, you can make sweet love to can make well because you're saying that it's like a humanoid marge simpson but say i want to make love to shrek's beautiful wife yeah well you can keep her as straight so she would remain like she'd just be that monster but real yeah okay we're designing monsters but real no you're making a sort of monster fucker and boring god damn which I ain't again I think that's

wonderful it just does seem to be but it does feel like we've strayed from the original bitch because it does seem

that like everything you write JD everything does seem to be the rewards are I get to make sweet love at a robot I think that's only I think it's complicated

because who okay I am a family I am a family of husband wife two kids, right? We want to go to Westworld. What is there for us? Hot dogs.

No, but there are in real life. No, there's no hot dogs. Slop. Beer. I forgot the big world answer that one. Slop, mud, my farmer. Okay, because in real life. Well, I don't want them.

And say my kids are, let's say, 10 and 8. And to be honest, I don't want them to experience the gunfighting or whatever. Fuck, well, that makes sense. I really just want this to be like a really toned down version of this. Well, there are in real life Wild West towns. Exactly. That you can go to. Yes.

Fucking Sovereign Hill. Correct. That's what I want. Yeah. Well, I assume that they would do everything in their power. I paid $30,000 for a day at Sovereign Hill. Correct. So that's what I want. Yeah. Well, I assume that they would do everything in their power. If I paid $30,000 for a day at Sovereign Hill, I would drown myself in that creek. Well, I think in the ideal world, there would be different towns. Right.

Where you would get on the train, because that's how everybody arrives, and the train would stop. They'd be like, welcome to Jupiter Springs. And they'd be like, adults only. And then they would be like, families, you're heading to fucking Tombstone or whatever. And that would be more of the family town. Yeah. That makes more sense.

Play cards in a bar with your favorite outlaw, Jimmy the Crook. Because that kind of experience exists already. You're just making a more realistic version. But I think the thing is, so yes, sex is an option. Yeah. But I think there are actually a great many people out there who the act of pretending

to be a cowboy is its own reward. Okay. Would you prefer to be a cowboy or have sex with a robot? I would prefer to pretend I'm a cowboy and whilst doing that,

have the option to have sex. No, no, no, no, no, no. That wasn't the question. I would prefer to pretend to be a cowboy. Well, then I'd fuck, obviously. Okay, thank God. But it's not a binary choice in Westworld.

I could be like, I'm a cowboy. I come in, and I go do the prospector quest. And then I come back with gold, and I'm like, well, I'm role-playing. Realistically, and I'm always gumped out. Yeah. And I always walk like this. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's good.

And I call myself Rootin' Tootin' Jackson Bailey. Yeah, and you look like you're rootin' and you're tootin' as, yeah. Yeah, that's good. And I call myself Rootin' Tootin' Jackson Bailey. Yeah, and you look like you're rootin' and you're tootin' as you walk. Well, that's the thing, and I'm like, well, realistically, as a cowboy,

as part of my story, this would be a great time to wet my whistle. My whistle being, of course, my penis. This, that, and the other, or whatever. Yeah, exactly.

So then as part of the fantasy, I go have sex in the brothel. Yeah. And then after that, I'm like, well, what am I going to do? And I do a little more cowboying, and then if, you know,

as part of it. Then you wake up and leave Westworld. Is it just an exit? Can you just walk out? I don't know. I think that's friendly. The train comes every day and I think it goes from one end to the other. Are you being monitored as well? You'd have to be. Because if I'm like there, say I'm deep in a golden person.

And then at that moment of orgasm, I'm like, I'm spending 30K on this. I look to the ceilings. Time out. I'm out. I'm out. I want a refund for the next two days or whatever. I'm gone. I did what I needed to do, apparently.

That's funny. It's like, hey, watch me have a golden orgy. You know when you get like horny brain, your decision-making capabilities are like terrible because you're just so horned up. And I think scientifically they prove this. When you're horny, you're not making clever decisions. It's so funny for you to be, you sign up to Westworld,

cause you're horny. You spend the $30,000 a day cause you're horny. You finally come. You're like, oh, what have I done? Oh, the edging. Bro, the post-nut clarity of realizing I've spent nearly a million dollars on my Westwood experience. This post-nut clarity be hidden different.

It's hidden different when I'm in this much debt. I mean, this much debt and this much in a golden purse. It's funny because you could jack off in Westwood, but that would be the saddest activity of all. It's also so funny, obviously we're imagining you bust that nut in the brothel, but imagine as part of your fantasy

you're out in the middle of the plane somewhere and it's like 2am and you're like- Fucking in Main Street. Yeah, but I'm just imagining you're somewhere where you're like, I'm going to have to walk back to the train. Ride my comfortable horse. Coyote watching me what have i

done what am i doing with my life yeah so again going so if we were to be like all right we've made this we've made a a fully emergent or the theory behind this is that we have these ai and these are fully like robots with ai that are basically they think they're people and they can be treated like people yeah and so this is almost like a bit of a science experiment to be like hey you can do whatever you want and the whole thing is like we're just going to theme it to be cowboy themed. How do you pitch this to the investors to make sure that they are being like, sweet, we are going to fund this? Because the amount of money that that needs is a lot. Well, I think it's actually pretty easy.

And I think that the more we've spoken about it, the more that the answer of how you sell it to investors is there. It's just like, come live out your fantasies. And once it's greenlit, then they're just like, because yeah, the more we talk about it, the more it feels like that what you see in Westworld wasn't the original idea for Westworld. It's basically like you're playing

the equivalent of playing a Game of the Year edition video game. You press start and you've got a whole bunch of stuff and heaps of options and you're like, this doesn't feel right. Yeah. This doesn't feel like

how the game was originally designed. Where this is like, I don't think you were meant to go and fuck every single person in the town. But they would probably realize after they had complaints like Jackson being like,

I can't die and I can't fuck? Yeah, what the hell? What the hell? How am I spending my money on it? And then they're like, well,'t die and I can't fuck? Yeah, what the hell? What the hell am I spending my money on? And then they're like, well, there's no real reason. There's no real reason in a danger point of view why you can't fuck. But also I imagine.

The robots have holes. Yeah, and poles. But also I think if the fucking and killing was there from the start, that's also another way to sell it to investors. You're like, hey, you know what? Come fucking kill. Well, you know what? Up to this point, we've not been able to market the darkest of human desires.

Yeah. Finally, we can sell people the shadow of the human soul. I'd be like, okay, I understand theme parks generally. We're designing them for children and families and those kind of things. Have an experience like that. And I want to tell you right now, we've been doing it wrong. Because, sure, we could appeal to the masses and we could be charging, you know, 30 bucks a ticket or whatever. Like, you know, everyone coming in, we've got rides and things.

No. We've got to come after the big fishers. We've got to go after the multi-millionaires. Have you ever seen a wonderful film called Hostel? You've got to go after the multi-millionaires. Have you ever seen a wonderful film called Hostel? And you know how those people are paying a lot of money to murder plucky teens and whatever? Well, what if we can do that but be, I guess, morally and ethically okay?

Yeah, we're pitching you an ethical hostel. We're pitching you right now a morally, ethically hostile that's themed. Yeah. Say you want to maybe, I don't know, be in World War II for some reason. Yeah, exactly. Yuck. Maybe you're fucked up in the head. Maybe you're fucked up and you maybe, I don't know, want to shoot Capone in the head. I don't know.

You know who traditionally has a lot of money because the specific way they work has led them into places of power? Sociopaths. Yes. Sociopaths. And. Sociopaths. And you know what also? They tend to be older because they don't want to retire and leave it to the next generation.

Yeah, because they want more money for themselves. Exactly. So why don't we appeal to what was good when they were younger, i.e. cowboy times. Cowboy times. Tell me one billionaire who doesn't look at like John Wayne

or whatever to be like, I want to be that guy. That was the man. He's the last man. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm actually the last man. He was the second last man. Don't worry.

He was a complete absolute piece of shit. John Wayne was a Nazi. And didn't he dodge a lot of drops? Yeah. But then making that movie where the bomb went off killed him, and that's funny. But don't worry, that me. Yeah, baby. But then making that movie where the bomb went off killed him, and that's funny. But don't worry, that me. Yeah, absolutely.

So is it really appealing to the fragile, I guess, masculinity of a billionaire? Yeah, it's more just like, hey, society has put a couple of rules on you, and we're here to remove those shackles. Are you a man, probably, in power, who would like to kill someone and fuck ten others? Yeah, in a way that's ethical. Because it also reminds me of that classic time travel question

where they're like, when in human history would you like to travel back in time to? And if you're a woman, you're like, right now. Because it's been pretty bad up until this point. That's fair. And it's still not perfect.

Yeah. That's also fair. I don't think that's who you're marketing it to us. But then also, like, that's the fantasy, up until this point. That's fair. And it's still not perfect. Yeah. That's also fair. So I don't think that's who you're marketing it towards. But then also, like, that's the fantasy, you know? Yeah. So, because if you look at it in terms of, like, smut. And again, again, you're talking about, like, you know, yes, you can go in with, like, the pornography where you get a hole in the hog. Or you can kind of go down the romance.

Hole in the hog. Hole in the hog. They're doing a different style, though. Yeah. Or you can do the whole, like, well, more of the romance novels, which generally have been kind of pitched more at a sort of more female audience. Yeah, sure, sure.

Which is kind of what this is in a weird way of going like, right, well, you know, you want that romance ability kind of thing, but we also want to give you that power fantasy kind of thing. So it's kind of merge both. I think it would be really tricky. Say that you're there for a week, which I think is how often people are there, and say I'm doing a romance run.

Yeah. That's my plan. Yeah, great plan. Thank you, man. No flaws. Tick. Yes. You're giving me a high five. You're not coming in.

You're staying in the cafe outside. Brother, good luck. Romance away. Ahoy? Romance ahoy? Romance ahoy. The train's a boat now. Oh, okay.

But say I'm doing the ranch hand romance fantasy, where I sign up to work on a ranch, and me and the ranch hand slowly over the week fall in love. I've got to really time that right, because presumably at any point I could have sex with this ranch hand. Yeah. You know what I mean? But I have to, there's like a lot on me to make this work for me. Because there's no one there guiding you in a way, right?

There's no DM. There's no one. There's no DM. There's no like, hey, I understand. Look, hey, look, you know, even in playing a game, the little wheel comes up to be like, would you like to this or this? Yeah. I think it says there's none of that. Because again, doing that doing that would break the fantasy yeah like if you had like a little app on

your phone which kind of came with you know absolutely wheel like a conversation wheel that you could kind of like look towards to be like oh yeah i reckon if i did this yeah you don't have that no there's no one guiding you yeah that would fuck up the fantasy by doing that and i don't know with stuff like this the romance thing it feels like you can be like if I just walk in and say I Wish to have sex with you. Yeah, would that work because they're programmed like that? I don't know because but then also the alternative is kind of not annoying necessarily But say I've done I've gone to Westwood for a week, and I've got two more days. Yeah completed all the quests I want to complete yeah, I'm like well. I'd like to romance this guy, but it actually takes three days to do yeah

So I actually can't do that. And then, like, does that mean that they're, like, programming into the robots, like, how many days for the romance quest? Or, like, do you need, like, a little meter of, like, you know, trust? Yeah, like, I don't know how long it takes, and I could, say, you know, you can go to Westworld. What if someone's an eight-day romance? I'm wasting my whole week at Westworld.

I'm wasting my week trying to seduce this farmhand. Another question, I guess, is if we're pitching to investors, it's kind of like, well, who's the audience here? Because you're being like, it's $30,000 a day, right? And generally, you're not going to just come here for a day. No. Well, you wouldn't. That would be fucked.

So it's like, okay, cool. So we want to have someone to come here for what? I don't know. Okay, $150,000, right? Yeah. That audience member, that is, we're really whittling it down

and whittling it down and whittling it down. And now you're going like, right, as in it's like, if I'm the person who wants to invest in this, it's like, cool.

So your audience, the person you want to get into this or the people you want to get, are willing to spend 150K like you said, the drop of a hat. Yeah.

And you want to build a whole town. Yeah. Why don't we just approach billionaires? True. if your market already is billionaires which is what this is there are people who are happy to go into crippling debt for that little you know for the little haughty brain being like it's only 150k and i could sleep with like 10 to 15 it's gonna be so wild west people come man. You can do this. As an investor, I'd be like, I love that what you've done here, you've made a lot of technology.

Yeah. That these robots think they're real people. Yeah. I'm not going to question that because that, I feel, has a lot of further implications. But don't worry about it. Why don't we approach people with a lot of money to be like, we can cater to your specific fantasy. Whatever that may be. Sexual?

Violently? Doesn't matter. I don't know. Who cares at this point? Yeah, I guess the only thing there would be the billionaires like, oh, no, we don't want something catered like that. Because if we act like a sociopath or we're like, hey, I want to do a massacre. I want to have a one.

Yeah. Give me the Sodom fucking experience. I want the Sodom and Gomorrah experience. Thank you very much. Because then people know. That was Katie for a billionaire. A lot of billionaires, they would never go to any kind of escort service.

Where we value our privacy. But I see what JD's saying. There's a difference between going to a sex worker and having lots of kinks and things like that. And then that just being one person that knows that. I think as well the thing is if you say- Where if you build an entire theme park- Well, so I wouldn't build a theme park.

It would be going to them directly. Yeah. Like, well, we can cater a service for you. The only people that are going to know exactly what's going to happen is me and you and I guess a programmer. Yeah. That has to program this all in, right? And everything, we have to be basically a lot of encryption,

a lot of basically, like a lot of money will have to go into securing that none of this leaks. But I wonder if there's some element to the West, because people go to Westworld to blow off steam.

But also I wonder if there's some element of going to Westworld where you can, you are going there to fulfill all of your dark desires. Yeah. But everybody,

it's like an open secret and maybe somehow rather than being like I'm spending a week away somewhere mysterious it's like I'm just going to Westworld and then everybody's like

oh you're just you're not going to do any of the bad stuff of course not no one does that no one does the bad stuff so is that the kind of like

I don't even want to go to a condo yeah so the first thing is we have one ad which goes out to like you know you're watching on TV you know you're watching Days of Our Lives,

and it pops up to be like, oh, yeah, come on down to Westworld. Yeah. Yeah, Wild West. See a real life horse. Yeah. Slap it on the ass. What is this ad saying? Slap it on the head.

What? Beat that horse. It's comfortable. What? Push it over. It loves it. A horse loves it. It's not even a's comfortable. What? Push it over! Horse don't care! A horse loves it! It's not even a real horse!

What the fuck? Horse meat not included. So you have... Yeah, what do I want to kill? I need a horse. Anyway, you have that as like, you know, that's what we're, you know, for the, I guess, you know, the parade of it all. Yeah.

Like, you know, like the performance of it all to be like, it's a theme park, don't worry about it. But then, and like maybe underhandedly, you are going from like place to place to be like, it's a theme park, don't worry about it. But then, and like maybe underhandedly, you are going from like place to place to be like, do you want a gold orgy? Yeah, yeah, yeah. True, true, true.

Put it in for you. Do you want part of it? And is that why there are so many little Easter eggs? Is that why there are so many different things? I think it's because it's like, look. They feel like holdovers from like previous things.

Or is it a thing where it's like, we are making no money. The only way we're making money is because like, these perverts are doing this. But it's extremely weird because you also see there are those other worlds. And the Raj, I just remembered, it is meant to be British India. But it is also not like Westworld.

It's described as like a resort. So it's like a fancy hotel. It's a themed hotel. But it's crazy because that means you go there to be racist. Yeah. Because there are nice hotels in the real world. You're like, I wish I was living in a colonial racist system. People keep yelling at me for my racist views and I want to go somewhere

where I can be racist and people applaud me. The only difference about the British Raj as a location is that it's a racist time period. Yeah. That's crazy. So it's the Wild West, of course. And World War II. Yeah.

And the Prohibition. Yeah. But that's like slightly less targeted racism, but it's a racist time. Well, again, it's up to the designer to do it, to be like what we think the Wild West might be, or what we think, say, the British Raj was. Maybe you try tried turning some of that down or enhance it who knows turn it up yeah don't turn it up turn it off because like again you're trying to appeal to your clientele and

if you're a clientele are fucked up yeah and again we're talking about 30k in today's money or is it like well it seems like the world's going to shit if you like me watched westworld to season three and beyond the world is bad. Aaron Paul's got a robot friend. Is that the season that ends with the Where Is My Mind Fight Club thing? It's crazy. That's awesome. And in that, there are people, I think there are other robots, but they're not like, I think Westworld's the only place that has humanoid robots.

Maybe 30k is actually not that much money. I mean, yeah, maybe with inflation, 30k is like robots so maybe 30k is actually not that much money I mean yeah maybe with inflation 30k is like super inflation 30k is like 5k or something yeah I'm assuming it's still

quite expensive because only the very rich go yeah but like maybe it's not totally inaccessible from scumbags like us and a crazy thing as well I don't know if you remember this

I don't know how much you've watched but in season 2 they go to samurai world and there's a big revelation it's very funny that samurai world has exactly the same plots as westworld huh they've just been themed samurai so basically they go in there and some guy you know like some samurai guy drops his map and it's like oh there's gold in the hills is that keep there like the same prospect oh there's gold in these hills all there's different is holding a sword

yeah it's like that. And everyone's like, wait, what the fuck? So I don't know if that, if you go to Westworld for a week and you've done the Fortnite package, get on the Battle Boss. You jump into Samurai World and you're like, where the fuck is this?

Or is it a kind of thing where presumably you're like, all right, you go to the investors and you're like, hey, investors. Yeah. We have this ability to like basically make an immersive world that caters for the very, very rich to kind, hey, investors, we have this ability to basically make an immersive world that caters for the very, very rich to kind of do whatever they want to do in this. And we can kind of theme it after whatever it wants to do.

Now, we've done a lot of surveys to the very wealthy, and it turns out they fucking love cowboys. And they love samurais, World War II, the British Rush, and gangsters. Well, actually, when you think about it, think about a billionaire, or even a very rich person. Their interests are usually one of those things.

Like, oh, I collect war memorabilia. Absolutely. I love cowboy movies. Yeah, I love cowboy movies. Or like, I fucking love the Japanese samurai films and stuff like that. I've got a big sword on my wall. A big weed.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's surprising there's no superhero. Yeah, absolutely. Well, there would be now. There would be now, absolutely. Go be Captain America. But that's funny because you don't get powers in any way. No, go be Captain America.

The punches can't hurt you. Oh, that's true. And you punch a guy. And then you can get your knob swabbed off. No. Go be Captain America. The punches can't hurt you. Oh, that's right. And you punch a guy. And then you can get your knob slobbed off by everyone. Yeah. Wolverine. Yeah. Nice dick, Bob.

Thanks, man. I love superhero movies. Yeah. This rolls. Yeah, I guess that would be- Is there a time period that would appeal to you? No. No.

It's the way that these are set up. Whoa! Can I hit the greedy? You can hit the greedy. Dude, can I drop out of the battle boss? You drop out of the battle boss. Can I collect the victory oil crown? You can.

Can I talk to Agent Peely? Yeah, dude. What about other guys? No. No. It's just Peely. It's just Peely. Yeah.

Jones? Will Jones be there? Jones will be there? Jones will be there I love Jones is Peter Griffin still in Fortnite? in this version yes it's a couple of seasons behind real Fortnite

oh okay yeah Fortnite world yeah it just seems that you're really trying to like yeah you want to put out those surveys you're going to investors

you're being like right we've already done the market research and we found that these are the worlds that they are going to pay top dollar for yeah and like i understand we're asking because they would need to be asking for like oh yeah money like we're talking like multi-billions you know

what i mean and it's like yeah i understand it's a lot of money out right now but if we're charging you know this much money per person kind of stuff yeah and it's like because the thing is you really want the repeat customer you kind of really want to milk one it's like, because the thing is, you really want that repeat customer. You kind of really want to milk, you know, a couple billionaires dry. Well, you're basically making an MMO. So anybody that was going

to get addicted to like World of Warcraft or whatever is going to get addicted to something like Westworld. Yeah. Yeah. It's just, yeah,

you can't get a job. No. Because you can't. You can't get this. Eight hours of work, I come home, I then play for eight hours. You can't do that.

You can't get Westworld bucks as well. Like, I don't know what the currency exchange is like. Yeah, well, none, I'm guessing. It's just you have gold, you leave Westworld, you don't have gold anymore. Yeah, but do I bring gold into Westworld or do I start off broke? Can you pay someone to be, like, you know,

a gold farmer, as it were, so when you go into Westworld, you have to grind? I'm guessing, like, you go in there and it's just programmed so that, like, whatever you need at first, that was given to you. I guess there's no... Well, you're probably meant to go get that gold from the prospector, considering that you don't do anything and then that's the first quest that you get hit with.

Well, again, if it's that kind of, like, you know, oh, the day repeats itself. But, like, yeah, how many days are repeating? Because ideally you don't want that to happen because you want to be appealing to, unless you are trying to appeal to multiple people. You want that like one day

And you don't want their interactions with each other. Yeah. Anyway, Westworld, poorly designed. Oh, yeah. And the more we talk about it, it's making me think

that maybe the show not quite as fleshed out as we originally thought. You might be on the money there, pal. You might be on the money. So yeah, I guess as an investor, would you invest?

I think if I was an investor I'd have too many questions and you would have to approach me with a simplified version or a very detailed version where Westworld goes in between so if you pitch me the Westworld that we get in the show

I'm turning around yeah like the reverse the voice I press a button so I turn around and then you with your chair are just like no

just pivot on the spot no I like the idea of liking the voice I don't know why I went to the voice but they're meant to press the button and then they turn around

so they can see the singer so they can be like whoa they're so ugly but they have such a beautiful voice which was the original premise of the voice yeah but the opposite I'm looking at the person was the original premise of The Voice. Yeah.

But the opposite. I'm looking at the person making the pitch, and I hit the button, and then my chair just swivels around. And I'm like, is that a no? Yeah, it's a big no. It's combining Shark Tank with The Voice. I think if somebody came to me and they were like, you know the sort of dark underbelly of the human soul? Yeah.

What if we could market that? Yeah. Then I would invest. Uh-huh. Okay. I think there's enough darkness in every human being that you could make money

off Westworld. I'm like, I'm curious of where you're going and then the moment they start saying theme park and Westworld, that's when I'm like, experience and experience.

I don't know. I think we're- $30,000 experience? Get fucked. $30,000 to kill a man. Yeah, but no one's gonna do that. take my cash. I have seen hostile fair I think there's a lot of people out there

that would pay even more to take a life yeah people do do that yeah exactly even though one of the poachers that are fucked up oh yeah like next level poaching? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You mean like the people who do like battery poaching, basically? Or the poaching- Where they'll go and there'll be like a tiger in a cage and they'll shoot it and be like, God, I'm good at this.

Yeah, that's bad as well. But then also the poaching where it's like, I'm not going to rest until I kill an endangered species. Yeah, exactly. There's enough darkness sitting in the crust of the human soul that if you could be like, hey, it's ethical, there's a chance it won't even be considered

like morally wrong for you to go. You could tell people you're going to do it and then you're probably not going to kill a real guy. Probably not. Well, I'm not in charge

of your life. Yeah. I'm not your boss. See, then here though, if you're trying to appeal to those absolute psychopaths, they're like Well then the fantasy's ruined

Well Do what you want Also it's a fit Shut up Freak That's what I'd say To that psychopath Yeah I don't know

Either way I don't know I just feel like I would It is a pretty Big stinker of an idea But yeah I'm like

I would entertain the idea You've got some Interesting things to say, but you're wrapping it behind a Westworld-themed cowboy theme park. And that, to me, I'm like, can we have a different discussion? Yeah, hey, it explores the darkness of the human soul, but you dress as a cowboy. Oh, okay.

It's for babies and also for the fucked up cringe and you can have sex with anybody what? you're the robots okay that's how you hit the same button cringe, based my chair's just spinning

um yeah good stuff there's a core there, a little core concept of idea i'd be like we need to you need to make this war yeah and then come back for all the gamers out there it feels like the west world is currently in its destiny 2 era yeah yeah uh where they've added so much shit that it's just it's clearly it's nothing anymore they put so much stuff on it you're like what's the core where are we at now who is is this for? What's going on? I'm not going.

Yeah. Who is this for? Is this just for Ed Harris? Because if so, you've made a really bad game. Yeah. Yeah. Well, on that note, I've been Joel. I've been Jackson.

I've also been Joel. Don't go to Westworld. Yeah. Don't invest. I don't think you can anymore. Save your coin. Yeah. Go to, I don't know, go to fucking.

Disneyland. Go for a drive. See what's going on on the coast. Warner Brothers Movie World. Oh, yeah. Three Park Superpass. Go for a drive. See what's going on on the coast. Warner Brothers Movie World. Three Park Superpass. Go to the beach. Go look at a forest and be like, we've got to save these. Go to a petting zoo.

Play with a baby goat. Feed a sheep. Pat a horse. Ride an uncomfortable horse. Be like, damn, I wish these horses could be more comfortable. If only we'd invest. Lots of things to do. Anyway. Bye. Yeah, yeah. Be like, damn, I wish these horses could be more comfortable. If only we'd invest. Lots of things to do. Yeah.

Anyway. Bye. Yeah. Sorry you can't watch Westworld anymore and don't know what we're talking about. Yes.