Plumbing the Death Star - What Would Be The Worst Board Game To Get Sucked Into? with Adam

Episode Date: March 30, 2025

You’ve been sucked into a board game jumanji styles. But which game? That’s up to you, dear reader. Do you want to access parts of your daily routine by answering correct trivia questions? Would you prefer to inform cats of the status of your (un)barbed penis? The choice is yours.Links to everything at https://linktr.ee/plumbingthedeathstar including our terrible merch, social media garbage and where to become a subscriber to Bad Brain Boys+Support Jarren's Outpost on Kickstarter: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/dndnerds/jarrens-outpost Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Either way, that's Jaren's Outpost. Support us over on Kickstarter and hopefully it does stupid well so we can work on the next one. I'm pushing for Dinosaur Park, but my wife is worried we'll get sued into oblivion. Hey, and welcome to today's episode of Plumbing the Death Star, a pop culture podcast that asks the important questions. I'm Jackson. I'm Joel. I'm Adam Sorry, I didn't know if I was being introduced or not. Well when I say I'm Jackson Once again it I know I'm like us because again, I'm I usually like I go last because yeah, and I'm also yeah

But then JD's not here and I was also Joe I mean you can play the tapes This happened like again not that long ago. Yes JD thought I called myself Jackson again I don't know if I did I didn't like watching the tape. Yeah, but at the time we were very unsure Either we're all entering a fugue state. I'm happy. I'm happy to just be like, oh I heard Joe that's The same pleasure if you did or didn't say I think in a way we've done so many plumbing the death stars It feels like I've never left this room. Yeah Anyway, we made a board game together called Jaren's outposts But you can back now on Kickstarter go in the show notes

There'll be links to the Kickstarter to the website to the Instagram. It's all there by our board game Yeah, it's funded like it's now. It's just stretch goals. Yeah stretch Good stretch goals to hit for God's sake get on it right now in the show notes stop list the podcast not going anywhere You can pause it. Just keep listening Are we are we allowed to by the way yes, are we allowed to, by the way, Yes? Are we allowed to just very quickly acknowledge the cameras? Because something really knocked me for six. What?

When you first started this, the introduction, Jackson, You looked obviously at the camera rather than at either of us. Yeah. And it was so, so confusing to me. Were you like, who's he looking at? Yeah, I was like, what's going on? I want to let you know know we're still in the introduction Check the show notes with the links will be all good at Kickstarter such as outposts and back out board game comment

How you found it? Yeah, how you win? Did you search it on Google? Yeah, go straight to the web engagement Did you go straight to the website? That's good engagement. That's very good engagement. Did you go on the YouTube where this is being posted? Or did you have to like pause on Apple Podcasts? Exactly. Or did you comment on Spotify for some reason? If you can, I don't know.

Comment on the video or if you can on the audio. I don't think you can comment on wherever this is. I'm pretty sure you can. Comment on 5 stars on Apple and then comment. Then also comment on the Kickstarter. Yeah, and comment on the Kickstarter. There's a lot of stuff you gotta do. It's gonna be a busy day for you. If you don't, uh, what do you call it on Kickstarter when you're back?

If you don't back, that's okay. Well, no, it's not, but back. Hahaha Back, but if you absolutely can't back at least comment twice Exactly, and also if this is your first time listening to the show or what crazy welcome. Yeah, welcome to plumbing the dust I was gonna say it's not normally like this, but that would be a bald-faced lie And today we're asking I don't know if that's how we do it, but that's yeah. Hey today We're asking what would be the worst board game? Shut the hell up, I'll kill you both.

What would be the worst board game to get sucked into Jumanji style? I'm gonna pick Root. Oh, okay. Oh, okay. I love root. I love root. Great game. Probably, you know, six people are like, huh? Hard to disagree. Hard to disagree. Are you kidding me? Yeah. It's the cutest game around. What are you talking about? Yeah, but you got cats that know how to use machines. Yeah. Cats are cute.

They are, you know, ruthless. Cats that use... I like cats when they're not using machines. I'm gonna love it more. Yeah, I know. But you don't have knives. Yeah, they're destroying machines. Yeah, they're destroying machines. Yeah, they're destroying machines. Yeah, they're destroying machines. Yeah, they're destroying machines. Yeah, they're destroying machines. Yeah, they're destroying machines. Yeah, they're destroying machines. Yeah, they're destroying machines. Yeah, they're destroying machines. Yeah, they're destroying machines. Yeah, they're destroying machines. Yeah, they're destroying machines. Yeah, they're destroying machines. Yeah, they're destroying machines. Yeah, they're destroying machines. Yeah, they're destroying machines. Yeah, they are like you know Yeah, like cats when they're not using me I know

Yeah, they're destroying the forest dude. Yes, so so root is an asymmetrical game It's it's all about woodland critters, and they're very cute. Yeah, but they're at war with each other Yeah, and so you have the marquee the cat mm-hmm which is the cat faction and they are the current ones in charge They're the ruling faction and they're often seen as not very they just industrious. Yeah, yeah Yeah, the capitalists yeah destroying the Logging yeah, yeah All they want to do is yeah build new things and get more cats and they have like automations and everything like yeah

I'm a tons that will you know keep cutting down the forest And they have like automations and everything like yeah, I'm a tons that will you know keep cutting down the forest Yes, well, I was gonna ask given that you're not an animal man, but a man man. Yeah, do you think they'll? Fear you maybe or I think I would kind of like cuz I am like you know they might just look at me being like Oh, yeah, I guess like an anthropomorphic ape Well, yeah, it's like we asked you where we did a plumbing when we were like what if you call it anthropomorphic though Wouldn't they just be like oh, yeah ape oh yeah, but do we look like apes? I mean in a world where like you I guess it would be like oh like I'm a cat man You're a man. You're like an ape man. Yeah, but they would be I'm just a cat. Yeah, that's

Well, they would be like, I'm just a cat. Yeah, that's true. Because they've got no idea who a man is. They don't have the concept of man. That is true. So Root is, again, probably should explain the vague concept. Because unlike, say, Monopoly or, like, Connect Four, I would say Root is probably not the most well-known board game. Yeah, that's fair.

So the initial... I won't go into the expansions. Don't even go down with that. But we've got the Marketer cats, we've got which are the industrious, you know, the kitchens who just want to destroy the forest and keep building industry. You then have the Eerie dynasty

which is just birds. And they're kind of like your, I guess your socialists. No, they're monarchists. Oh wait, no, they are kind of socialists. They're monarchists, they're socialists. Isn't like the starting leader a king or something like that? Well, you got, well the thing is you pick the leader.

So the way that the birds work is they pick a leader and the leader is like, we are going to, well first off, we're gonna make new birds and then we're gonna go to war and then we're gonna build a house. And then if you don't do one of those things, the birds turn and take that leader down Yeah, and a new leader is elected. Yeah, and leaders are alright. Alright, well, then we're gonna just got a war

I'm gonna go to war some more and we like in war Yeah, like we do like fighting and then if you do a term where there's no war Yeah, I don't know to me it's more of a Water would be so this is it like a populist leader? Boards society? I don't know I mean like we don't get a great look into how the leader does lead So it's hard to say Through the mechanics you can kind of clearly look at this and be like okay

Well, I guess you know the leader is being elected by saying I'm gonna do these things That's true and if they're not and if they don't we tear them down Like okay, well I guess you know the leader is being elected by saying I'm gonna do these things If they don't we tear them down awesome democracy Democracy if it was good That would be great that's how it should work don't deliver on their campaign promises we tear them straight up Well, you don't even string them up because they go back to the deck Gotta make an example that's different

That's not their rules. That's your rules. You're describing my wonder world. Yeah, I guess it is a What is what? Yeah, what kind of I guess like political movement or political ideology Yeah, you campaign on the promises and if you don't do your promise this you get up. Yeah Good democracy It could be a lot it's not important You know what? Yeah good the mark. I'm's important, Adam. Like, teach us. I'm happy to learn. Not me. You start talking, I promise you I will zone out. But that's no... I mean, talk.

Just letting you know how I respond. Yeah, I feel like I know you well enough. He's doing it. It's happening. He's doing it. Yeah, he's actively not listening as opposed to what he just passively doesn't listen. I'm thinking about pancakes I had on the weekend. Oh, yeah. Yeah, don't distract me weekend. Yeah When did you have them we're here when did you have them? Yeah I think while we're while we're on the ball worked on the tangent other tissues in here. No Get some who's gonna teach us about it like political system? Yeah, but I'm gonna remember when I had these pain games.

You keep making these assumptions. Anyway, what were you gonna say? No, I was just gonna say, well, we don't really... I thought it... We just don't know enough to really say... We as in humanity or we as in the three boys in this room? Us three boys. There's not enough information to say

About the other birds what sort of yeah, Tuesday night. Thank you Yeah, oh wait, it's it's irrelevant. Look whatever we could call a good democracy. Yes. Okay, what's nice? We have the woodland alliance. Yeah They feel socially more Socialist e more than the birds do. Because they're kind of like hiding in the shadows because of the oppressive market cap. They're like a counterculture. And then they have to kind of like strike from the shadows. I guess they're for the people.

They're kind of more, they're just like a rebellion almost. A people's uprising. And then what's the fourth one? the fourth one is the vagabond? Oh, that's just a guy. Yeah alone range You play the fantasy here. Yeah, that's cool. I would love to live in a fantasy world like that Yeah, and so I think it's um I don't know terrifying because I first off I'm into this world where there is politics I clearly do not Like clearly don't understand. Clearly it is above your head.

Also, like I said, you're the only human being. Do you think you become a hot commodity? Like do you think you would enter the world and the cat people would be like, deliver me the ape man. Deliver me the ape man, that's a great name for a play. Oh. That is a good name for a play. Well, maybe, however, if you look at the sort of like the cards

and then they have the drawn items that you can get, what can I bring? Because like the vagabond, one of them, I think it's the frog, like he can basically make a tactical nuke. Oh, okay. A giant basically bomb and just like win the game like that. Once again, they all have clothing so they know how to make clothing. I don't. This is kind of like the- Well then you buy clothes! Yeah, I know, but I'm saying what can I bring? No, but what can Zama contribute?

Oh! This is kind of like the question of like- No, you just live in the world! Yeah, I know! No, but it's like the question of like, if you got sent back in time to Medieval times, what could you do to make yourself valuable to medieval society? Zama can't bring shit! He comes back and he says, hey, I can run a podcast network Yeah, well kill the ape man exactly. I'm like oh, yeah. Hey, man. I can I can like you know

Build you up and like whatever I'll be I'll encourage you. Yeah, you know, I'll be you know, you're cheer squad Whatever we can do right means like can you wield a sword? I'm like, what do you mean? And then he thrust his sword into my sternum his sword into my sternum. Ohhhh! Come on! It's too much too fast. I think not being able to do something would work in your favor. You'd go

there, they'd be like, you'd show up, you'd be like, oh shit I can't make a gun, and they'll be like, what? And then you will get a job describing things? Yes! I don't know what you mean I don't know what I got you know I don't know how to make God but I know how to describe God yeah okay

so you're like cuz you know from the future yeah from a dimension with different technology to this I come from a faraway land yeah why do I have to say dimension or future? Describe I'll be the cat describe to me a gun. Okay, so it's kind of like you guys that you got metal, right? Yeah, yeah cool, so um So it's kind of like if you think about like a spear okay I mean you can kind of like jam a spear into someone like yeah This is kind of like um actually you probably have bow and arrow. Yeah

We got bow and arrow. And you have crossbow. Maybe. Maybe? Alright. So it's kind of like crossbow but it's a handheld crossbow and you know how with a crossbow you have to fire like one arrow and it goes pretty far and you've got to reload. So this is kind of a very similar kind of contraption except it's multiple arrows one

after the other and it can go from a long distance. Yeah okay. That sounds very useful. How does it work? So I think it involves some sort of like explosion, like a mini explosion and kind of, you know, there's the idea, here's the concept. Where's your smartest cat engineer?

And let me try and explain enough to that. Do you reckon you could give to the smartest cat engineer, do you reckon you could give enough information they could make a gun? So it needs to go really fast. So what do you guys have that you can kind of, uh, make something go really fast? I like- I like that they br- Alright, so this is such an insane thing.

Why not just apprentice to the baker or something like- Why not show up and be like, Hey, I need a job, are there any jobs going? Yeah, you make bread out of- That's why you're an apprentice, dumb fucking bastard! I use your name! You learn a job that they can teach you! You learn a job they can teach you.

Why are you being like, I need to rule this society? I'm the engineer's apprentice? I'm learning how to build a gun? I think it's very funny that you're like, take me to the engineer and I'll describe a gun. And then you, because you have no technical technical expertise you're making life hard for yourself Why are you doing something easier to describe? Yeah, why you like oh I need to I need to Britain what I'm useful just take any job that's a car yeah how does it it's a mechanical like you think Max yeah no now imagine you use that but

instead of like it's got like like legs or whatever without wheels yeah why do you have why can't I've got that I can contribute to Cat Society, I can help them win Why dude? I can help them take over the home yard That's the point you're making, you can't! You don't know how a car works, you don't know how a car works I can figure it out You're going to the engineer and you're being like

I crossbowed but make it faster And the engineer's like, we already know to do that I wouldn't pick a gun How do you make it faster? I picked something else What'd you make it faster? I picked something else. Like, train? If they could make it, they would have already made it. How does an internal combustion engine work?

What about instead of just like describing it, just drawing like it, like drawing it. You can't describe it, you can't draw it. You can draw it, because I don't know how to total combustion engine work I can draw a car and I can vaguely remember diagrams The car isn't the important part They use it's basically being like like sort of like that's you are imagining a future Yeah, you become futurist and so you start drawing the designs Yeah future yeah you become futurists and so you start drawing the designs yeah if

knowing the shape made you able to build it you wouldn't need to draw the shape because you know what the shape is you could tell them crazy to realize how little I know about how the world oh it's pretty bad I think that's pretty insane yeah like like I can't think of any special information I have where like I have like a full perfect knowledge of any special information. I have where like I have like a full Perfect knowledge of it. You know what I mean like about you don't That's modern society. We well. Yeah, I know that's great for me now But if I put in the situation where I'm required

Yeah, into the board game where I have to deal with like medieval, but they're also birds Yeah, I just like it is crazy. You wouldn't be prepared for that That's crazy. I'm now so bird society. I understand this I get it Well, he's like they're campaigning on their promises and if he doesn't do it then we like we fucking yeah So we string him up right you don't okay? Yeah, we string him up. We sure what about maybe instead like a three strikes Okay, I like this introducing sort of political dissent. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Political. Yeah, tell the birds to... because they got beaks. Yeah, exactly. They can't speak normal, okay?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so like, yeah, yeah, maybe, all right, this is like, this is a new cool thing we like. What about we kind of tweak it a bit? So it's like, cool. I like that it's like, yeah, sure. Campaign promises are very important. We have to have order We have to have this but what about some wiggle room? Yeah, I think that's a great idea And maybe what if that could I act as like an intermediary between the different align different factions? Yeah, I think the birds are stringing you off you start talking about changing the system They seem really touchy to me. You could become like a sort of worm tongue style I think that would be a really fun job

But like though, you know, like I'm a sort of wretch the conniving was here Is there any other time kill me? I don't understand why you want to make a deal with them and crush them by their neck my lord Why would we combine with the woodland alliance to defeat the cats when we could simply wait for? the cats to defeat the woodland alliance and then Creeping into the like the Kings having's having some grand meeting and creeping in and you say, What's going on? King, I slept here.

Who is this guy? What is currently happening? Do we like him, your lordship? You don't, yes, no. Thumbs up or thumbs down, that's all I need. What? I'm interrupting. So sorry. So I think, yeah, because if I get sucked off into root, it's like yes, I am entering a world which is a political situation I do not know.

It is basically medieval society, like fancy medieval society, but there's no magic, I think, from memory. Yeah, I don't think there's magic. And so it's like first off, if I got sucked off now it's medieval Yeah, I don't think it's um and so it's like first off if I got sucked off now with medieval society I'm fine. Yes. Yeah, now I got to deal with them also being like a cat a bird and like a rabbit man Yeah, so I got like I got two different like complications already Do you reckon they have plumbing in route? Yeah. Yeah, are you shitting in the street? Yeah, I think you're shitting in the street. You're shitting. Oh, they might have like um There's medieval towers where you should yes to both things You said yes to plumbing and then you were like yeah, they're also shitting in the street. Well probably they are

Well, I think folk probably shit in the street But the Kings probably have those like big drop toilets with a gong farmer comes and farms the gong I'll be like yeah, you'd be a gong farmer or the groom of the stool. Yeah, yeah, yeah Those kind of things. Would you take a cat bride? I don't know. I mean, I don't know if I'd take a bird bride. Yeah, that feels too alien. Beak dome. Well, it'd be pretty alien for them as well. Oh yeah. You're assuming that they'd take you, you know? Also like the cats, my penis, look, I gotta be honest. Not Bob. It's not Bob. That's sad, dude. Yeah, yeah, yeah.bed. That's sad dude.

It's a real bummer. I know dude. It's gonna be a while before they invent the condom ribbed for her pleasure as well. Barbed for her pleasure, yeah. A condom for a cat would be such a nightmare. Yeah, because surely your cat wife would be expecting a barbed penis. Well obviously. Yeah. She would be like, you know, she'd be like, you're great.

I don't like the barbed ones, they scare me. You could find someone like that, maybe? Yeah, you could find somebody that was into non-barbed penises. Probably need to go more to the Woodland Alliance, I reckon, and do like, you know, but then I'm not going to go. I think a lot of those- I like that you're thinking I go to the people in charge. Yeah!

You'll go, you're automatically being like, well will you starting with the cats and the ones into the cat castle I say sorry my penis isn't Bob, but I'll do whatever you want This is like, you know, there's the rabbit folk or like, you know, the mice folk Yeah, the things don't necessarily need a barbed penis I honestly didn't realize about penis or having or not having one was going to be a problem I was about to say, I think also we're over-emphasizing in a relationship the importance of a barbed penis of penetrative sex That's true

You can eat it like a cat bride If you want to do A lot of hair in the mouth I just kind of I tweak my cat bride's many nipples. Yeah, exactly. Let me ring the bells. That's awesome.

It's awesome. Maybe like weird patterns here. Try and draw a house, you know, like with the X in the middle. Do the alphabet on it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I guess you could go with the vagabond and be like, Maybe I'll be their apprentice. Does that help you out, Adam?

Does that help you out? Is that okay? You please now? Your honor? I'm not designing your gun anymore! Yeah, but also you're... Oh my god. I'll go dig for berries? Yeah, dig for berries like your medieval heroes

Digging for berries? I thought I needed to be in a preface Adam! I don't know shit! He doesn't know where the berries are. You know you're being dumb on purpose. You know you don't dig for berries. Yeah dude, it's plumbing the deaths on. That could be our tagline. Dumb on purpose. Yeah. You know you don't dig for berries I imagine I don't actually know I'm assuming it's a bush But maybe there's like there's no hidden well The fantasy world they could have Buries underground what do you mean?

You get I don't know so it is? Also, it is a fantasy world. Let's look up underground Barry's. So maybe if I was like, hey, here's a gun, they're like, oh, hi, we can, yes, using your imagination, we can take this and put into the real. We'll put you in the device that makes your dreams come true. I think I would learn a trade. Surely that's what you want to do.

Dreams come true. I think I would learn a trade. Surely that's what you want to do. Ah, catch Brian that doesn't need a pile of peanuts. What about being a vagabond? You could be a vagabond, right? I could look after myself, Adam. Yeah, come on man. Would I die for a cause? Yeah, we've been here before of me trying to look after myself in the real, in like our world, and now imagine a fantasy world. Exactly. They have different coloured berries, and I'm pretty bad with my own berries. When we asked him in the episode where he had to survive in the wild, he was like... What was that? Was that plumbing just, could you survive in the wild?

No, it was about aliens. Yeah. He picked Pridodonator and we ended up there. But anyway, we were like, okay, you find a berry bush, and he's like, mmm, some berries are poisonous. And then he was like, here's what I do. I put it on my tongue. Yeah. Don't tell. I have a little nibble.

You have a little taste. A little taste. I believe. See if it's bad. From, of all people, Bear Grylls. So take this with a huge fucking grain of salt. But I believe the order of operations is rub it on like your arm, then wait for a reaction. Because if you put it in your mouth, that's where you don't want the poison in there.

Rub it on your lips, wait for a reaction, then rub it on your tongue, wait for a reaction. Can you do a good Bear Grylls impression? No. I'm Bear Grylls! Does he sound like that? I'm Bear Grylls! A little bit, yeah. Is he British? Yeah. I'm Bear Grylls and I'm in the Plumbing the Death Star podcast studio.

Bear Grylls. Time to eat my own shit. He's British? Yeah, he's British. Yeah. You're blowing my mind. I thought he was American. No, he's British. No, I was in the SAS. Am I doing it? Sometimes, if you're trapped in the wilderness and you don don't have any food remember you can eat your own shit I was in the SIS, but I also did selection Yeah, but TV for the French Foreign Legion, and I made it sound a lot harder than the SIS But maybe only for the television Huh, I always remember the one when he was like here's how you survive in England

And I think there was like a bit where he was like, Go to a pub! It was like, I remember watching it and being like, what are you doing? If you're ever lost, just walk for five minutes and you'll find a road. If you're ever lost, call out really loud and wait for someone to come find you. It's a densely populated country you're never in danger. Where am I? London County. Oh I see. If you're ever lost ask the bus driver where the bus is going. It's 7 p.m and the bus is not arriving. I missed the last bus that's okay there's a house.

I hope we get a lot of comments from people being like actually it's really easy to get lost and even die out in like The Moors in Scotland or something like that. No, it's not Come on now have a look there's a house I'm gonna find out when the last person got lost in the moors in Britain. Died of exposure. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Last person to die of exposure in Great Britain, in the UK, was in... This'll either be Vindicator or it'll be very sad.

It could be both! Yeah, that's true. I think it can be two things. Well, the first thing I got inexplicably was Britain's death toll from asbestos at crisis levels Don't know how are you Google? I do know 2019 Still pretty recent I Googled death of exposure great Britain exposure of a special. I just got heaps of stuff

Oh, yes, how do you fold your towels Oh, well, these are like Terry little Terry towels because my baby Terry towel I just like a very only against it made of like Terry material Terry cloth Oh, and it's a there's small little towel so currently because you go through a lot of these Yeah, for those who are listening like why is Adam asking about my folding? I'm just folding like laundry because again the time and place where I can do two things at once. And keep asking me some towels. Are you gonna help fold?

Yeah, I like folding. I gotta say dude, sitting at Dusha's desk, I do feel that, you know, he's got that unknown sense of superiority. I love. I'm seeing where it's coming from. I'm feeling it. Dishing.

I'm so much higher than everyone else. I am enjoying, I don't know if this is a classic of Plumbing the Death style. Yeah. I assume it is, but I don't know. Yeah. I like in this episode, we've gone from like 11 to one very quickly several times.

Oh yeah. And by the way, Adam and I just do them in squares. Yeah, I was watching, yeah. We go through a lot of them anyway. Yeah, so again, I think it would suck being stuck up in the root, I would go through a lot of them anyway. Yes, so again I think it would suck being up in the root probably because I am a man and I feel every faction might stab me. Yes Because of what I bring what you say stab me. Yeah, I'm not a bird. Yeah Hey your way of government, what if we decided yeah, maybe you have some like decided to maybe you have some like you know by the eyes of God. Shredded. Shredded meat. Then I go to the cats and I'm like okay maybe I understand capitalism yeah hey we'll

have some maybe some ideas and then like where's your bald penis? And I'm like I'm sorry. Shredded for lack of bald penis. I reckon the cats are taking you. Maybe they're industrialists so long as your body works you can work in a factory. Send him to the lab. Yeah, that's true That's not what I'm saying. Let's see what we can learn from his his different meat. That's true That's not what I'm saying. What can I have? What do I have is maybe a little bit different than like, you know A cat meat and I'm like my thumbs The gears of capitalism will accept any lubricant including human human meat. Yeah, that's true That's true. And again, well, maybe the cats will take me Woodland Alliance will think maybe that I'm a new a faction. Yeah And they might ask some questions. Yeah, as I either know nothing

And then I'm just either discarded or I'm stabbed in the night. Yeah I think the chance of you getting stabbed is very high. Very high, dude. Probably too high to make it worthwhile. I'm gonna pick Snakes and Ladders. I picked this because classic board game. Sure. I picked this because climbing ladder is tiring and getting bit by a snake hurts.

Yeah, it's all very true. So the origins of Snakes and Ladders is, it's like a morality tale. Did you know this? Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I did not. So tell me. Oh, well, so early versions, I can't, I believe the game originates in like India, but I might be wrong about that. But I do know certainly that earlier versions of Snakes and Ladders, instead of like ladders and snakes, or I think it always had snakes, anyway, the things that made you go higher were things like temperance and chastity or something like that and the things that fell you made you go back down might

have literally been snakes but it might have been like you know how Satan was a snake in the Genesis yeah so it was meant to be it was meant to be a morality tale yeah I'm asking is this in any way playing into the game that you're getting sucked into? Well, no, but if I got sucked into the morality tale version, I'm- You winked at me just then. Did I? You did. It was accidental.

It was saucy. If I'm sucked into the morality tale version, I never grow. I stay at the beginning, I stay at the 100 on the one to 100 track and I never move. You like I'm trying to think of a single virtue that you have. Am I charitable? Well anyway let's pretend you are charitable. Yes. You're charitable one time, you move forward one space and immediately sin back down to zero. Because see I live in a constant state of sin. Yeah.

We know. Yeah, so any charity or any virtue doesn't bring me forward enough. Is a backslide, baby. Does the sin have to happen or is just because you're thinking of the sin that's that counts? Cause if it has to happen, like, you know,

then I think you're fine. Then I'm gonna kick some trapped in snakes in the lattice realm. Exactly, but if you're thinking about it, and I'm always thinking about it What what Christian faith the great question to open with what Christian faith is like thinking about cheating is the same as cheating I think it's one interpretation of the Bible. I'm sure that Jesus basically says something sort of similar at some point He's like all of you think about it's basically the same as doing it. And if that's the case, I'm fucked, dude.

You told me, you just said it, and now I'm thinking about it. That's on you, Jesus. I wish I'd brought, I have a small pile of Bibles in my room right now, and I wish I'd brought one of them to help you out right now. Can you elaborate on that? So, I'm studying at university right now,

and during- A biblical university? During orientation week, what will often happen is people- do you know Gideon's Bible? Yeah. The one that's in hotels. Yeah. So do you know how they get in hotels? People put them there? Yes.

There's a- I don't know if you- I don't know if they're like a sect or whatever group, but it's called Gideon's. Yeah. And they will go to motels and they'll leave the Bibles there, and because they're not hassling anyone, no one minds that they do that. But they'll also like just go out and hand out Bibles. And so at the university I go to, during orientation week, when there's the most students there possible, a bunch of people will post themselves up around the university handing out these little hand-

And you collect them, you sort of? Yeah, I like going, I like bouncing from person to person and seeing how many I can get every year Bible fort yeah good like you know grift in a weird way yeah it's like you know because the moment you get a Bible yeah you feel like I shouldn't been yeah that's true just bad to throw out a Bible yeah yeah I'll throw them out when I get old to me My little stack of Bibles gets old they go in the bin It's a very good like you know like morality morality test I guess

If you don't believe in this that's fine, but like you guys throw it away though fine but like you throw it away though you know really you're gonna throw it in the bin oh yeah I should burn them that would be fun I had a fire last night I could have burned all of your bibles I needed tinder for that fire as well like a modern book burning yeah exactly that's kind of fun yeah burning some bibles yeah well I wasn't even imagining the morality tale sort of like aspect of it. I was just like, ladders are a hassle to climb. Are you controlled by, your movement is controlled by dice? That's what I'm assuming.

Well, that's okay, because I can just, if it's just me, I can just keep rolling the dice. Yeah, but then it's like, I roll, I get bit. Oh, yeah, that's true. Are you getting bit? You slide them down. You slide down the snake's backs, but if I slide down a snake, it will bite me. Yeah, but in this world yeah I don't know they kind of like Python I will say this you know I was saying climbing a ladder is tiring and it is but it's also kind of fun but climbing a ladder is good

right like it's like I would say it's like a top 10 human experience would you perceive if you get sucked into snakes and ladders would you perceive the world as a series of you are moving around And every now and then you sin and have to go back and every now and then you virtue and get to go forwards Yeah, or are you perceiving it as actually there's multiple different. I'm I'm saying it as if these are the two Yeah, are you perceiving it? Is this perhaps what's happening every now and then as you walk through life, there's a ladder there and you're like, I have to go up that. Or there's a stake there and you're like, I have to ride that down.

Wow, that is... Yeah. Because this is kind of integral to the one I'm gonna be proposing as well. Because it's like, if you go with like, they shoot some ladders. Yeah. So now we're incorporating the fun of a slide. Honestly, it's kind of sounding great. Yeah, so like you know you see a slide You got to go down there, and I would and then like it's unfortunately that sets you back in life

Yeah, yeah, but you see a ladder you got to climb it and that you know set you forward in life Well, what are you like you know progression in terms of I guess what is the gear the progression here? Is it like you know as we're talking maybe like Korea like you know every time you see a ladder you're like pay rise Yeah, every time you see a slide Pay cut! That'd be if you get sucked into the game of life or whatever Shro Yeah, that's true Or is this a kind of like yeah like you know what does it mean to be you know to go back to the start?

I guess I was just literally imagining some kind of tower And if I there's like ladders to get to the next Your life becomes a tower going up or down one Yes, so I wasn't even imagining I was imagining I'm playing the game of shoots and ladders and I a lightning strikes me or whatever. Yes, Adam Question something I've not considered When if you get to the top of the board, yeah or Joel's I'm it if you I'm with the winning faction. I guess I Side with the winning faction. When the game ends,

do you get to leave? That was my assumption. I would assume, yeah, like Jumanji rules. Yeah. Okay. I gotta beat the game and then I get sucked back to when I started playing it. Oh, that makes... Oh, wait. Do I have to side with the faction or am I a faction by myself? I think you'd be a faction unto yourself. So I'm a vagabond. I would have never beaten the game. But the game will end, I guess. Yeah, but I'm a vagabond. I would have never been in the game. But the game will end. So yeah but I'm dead. Yeah. And I'm a loser. Yeah. And for Jumanji is like well if you know is it like if anyone wins it's fine everyone gets like sucked out. I think. Here's the game for those

who seek to find a way to leave the world behind. Don't you hang on a minute because in Jumanji you you're represented by one of the pieces right on the game board Yeah, do you when you get sucked into root? I use Joel's Amid or do you become a vagabond? The cats Because otherwise I'm split into many pieces 40 cats That's awesome. Yeah, I think that's what happened to you if you get hit by a large hadron collider. I think if you were on like a like a tour of like CERN and you fell in you just get this turn into 40 cats

We know what happens if you get hit by CERN that guy did that. Yeah, that's true. He got crazy cancer Like what happened 40 cats? No, I was like getting hit by a gun but in slow motion. It's like slowly the Over time, it's crazy. He was in there cleaning it. I don't know. Yeah, I think he was like a janitor. And then all of a sudden he's like, what's that noise? And then hit by a particle going at an incredible speed and then he came out He was like, I think I think he like maybe had a Lamarck or something. Yeah, I'm fine. And then very slowly it became cancerous and sort of just I think I think he like maybe had a Lamarque or something. Yeah, I'm fine. And then very slowly it became Cancerous and sort of just and he said he survived it. I think it was I think it wasn't at CERN though It was I think it was in Russia. Maybe in the 80s had happened. Yeah, dude crazy Yeah, but I think you'd become 40 cats

You're built different Become 40 cats you'd disappear. We don't know where you went. What do you mean? Like you'd step in there and it would be like, dooo, and they'd be like, oh my god, there was someone in the Large Hadron Collider. And then we'd, grrr, open the side. I guess not. Wasn't there a guy in here? Must've been nothing.

Must've been the wind. It's the bat! And then I imagine it like, smash cut to like like Adam Cartevale in the 41st century Like a sort of Buck Rogers style character. Beedie deedie. Beedie deedie. Beedie deedie. Beedie deedie. Do you know what you're referencing or not? Beedie deedie the little robot guy in Buck Rogers in the 21st century. I don't know beedie deedie. 25th century. Excuse me. It's the well, that's not that's not a guy. It's the robot. I it's the noise Is that buck Rogers Buck Rogers I

I it's just about making the mursel us. Do you know him? Yeah. No, I've not seen that actually I know that's flash Gordon, right? Yeah, isn't that who I was talking about? You think buck Rogers this okay? So notice like the looney choose one That's what I know the bdbd I thought being the merciless was yeah, I guess Referencing a different piece of media who knows He was referencing. I don't know what I'm referencing flash Gordon. Yes, okay. That's fine. confident. You thought you were referencing Flash Gordon? Yes.

Okay, that's fine. I thought you were referencing, there's a show... Yes, Adam? Buck Rogers. I actually don't remember the name, I think it's Buck Rogers, but now... BDDD. It's a TV show, it's in kind of that genre of Flash Gordon's. Little Robot Man? And there was a robot in it, and the robot goes like BDDDD. It's Buck Rogers,. It's in kind of that genre of the Flash Gordon's. Yeah, and it's there was a robot in it and the robot goes like be be be be be be be be be be be be be be be be be be be be be be be be be be be be be be be be be be be be be be be be be be be be be be be be be be be be be be be be be be be be be be be be be be be be be be be be be be be be be be be be be be be be be be be be be be be be be be be be be be be be be be be be be be be be be be be be be be be be be be be be be be be be be be be be be be be be be be be be be be be be be be be be be be be be be be be be be be be be be be be be be be be be be be be be be be be be be be be be be be, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah That robot has the vibe of like in sort of like a black mirror story where I get a robot child

Because I can't have a kid and then it kills me. It has a vibe of like, you know bicentennial man, but even worse Yeah, even more disgusting It was already pretty fucking bad. I think if I was in a chutes and ladders situation Yeah, that actually is just sounds awesome because I like climbing ladders and I love going down slides. Yeah, it sounds like you have a whale of a time going up and down various things. If it's snakes, that's bad. Then you're also using them as a slide. Yeah, and I still get to climb a ladder.

Are we saying as well it's not a moral... No, no. Morality one, he's fucked. I'm fucked. Obviously I'm fucked if it's a morality one. You get a lot of different versions, but you're also probably the easiest to escape. Yeah, because eventually a rolling enough dice you'll get out. Yeah, yeah, yeah. For me it's just a numbers game. Yeah, but it's a numbers game. Excuse me. It's not the morality version. It's a numbers game. Actually, it's kind of inevitable that you'll eventually Yeah, where I just get to have a good time because climbing a ladder is like a and this is a crazy thing to say

It's like the safest way to get high up Like, uh, and this is a crazy thing to say, it's like the safest way to get high up. I disagree. Like, you know how it's stairs. Surely an escalator. Yeah, or stairs even. But, but with a ladder, there's like more of a thrill than stairs. Well, that's not what you said just a moment ago, Dave. You just said it's the safest way to get up. The thrill of a ladder.

Well, I guess what I meant is that it's the safest way to get the thrill of being high up How high are we talking? What kind of ladder we talking as well? I think it's like are we changing say a light bulb? Yeah, even that is- Okay, are we maybe got it like like a little stool situation? Okay, stool like stepladder. That's not as fun. Okay, not bad, but But it's not I think it's not the ideal I think changing a light bulb sort of height is the bare minimum of a thrilling ladder, okay?

Yeah, I like you know you're gonna cut down a tree mmM That's a thrilling ladder, okay, cuz it's safe, but it's also a bit scary because you're high up Is it because I think I'm wrong I think I'm getting pushed by I think you're looking at this through the lens of soft inside boy Yeah for a man who very rarely encounters ladders. Yeah ladders have lost their thrill for you. Is that what I'm hearing? Well again, I mean I I am not often upper ladder Yeah, I feel my ladder my latter days are often more than your latter days. Yes Yeah, I would imagine so and it's just it's just, it's just more of an annoyance.

Yeah. Like you're like, uh, upper ladder. It's upper, upper, yeah, it's upper ladder on the weekend. Yeah. Having to like, you know, drill, uh, uh, bookshelves into the wall. Wasn't fun? What about if you have to climb the ladder to get on the roof? Is that fun?

Is getting on the roof fun? Come on. Yes. Getting on the roof's fun. Getting on the roof's fun. Getting on the roof's fun. Because you're like, I'm not meant to be here. And I'm high up. I don't have a ladder and I'll get on the roof fun? Come on. Yes. Getting on the roof's fun. Getting on the roof's fun. Because you're like, I'm not meant to be here. Yeah. And I'm high up.

I don't have a ladder and I'll get on the roof. Yeah. Being on the roof's good. Because I can get on the roof through like a window upstairs. Okay. And I climb on the roof and that's exciting. I'm not on the roof here or not. Is that as exciting?

I think part of the fun of being on a roof is the challenge of getting up there. Yeah, I disagree. Even if it is just climbing a ladder. I think being like being on the roof is the best bit about being on a roof. How I get there is not the journey for me, it's the destination. I mean, on the roof. I think you'll find that all the expression goes the other way though, so I think society,

it's not about the journey, it's the destiny. I think you'll find that it's a saying. You can joke around, but you know. You know I'm correct right now. It's a saying, but that's because, you know, unless the people who made up that saying was because, you know, they didn't get what they wanted. Yeah, exactly. And this is how they try and make themselves feel good about themselves.

You say that, but they're corporate. Well, you know, actually, it was a journey. The journey actually was the best bit. It didn't matter that she left me. Yeah. It's actually fine that I also got fired in the same day. It doesn't matter. I learned a lot. It's all part of the- Rich Tap is shit. Yeah, it's actually fine that I that also got fired in the same day. It doesn't matter I learned a lot. It's all part of life. Rich Tapestry. Yeah, it's really good. It was actually the

six years It was actually worth it Quick question. I think I know the answer. Yeah, how do we feel about me answering a phone call? Go ahead dude. Who's calling? Nah, it was my mum. Oh, okay. You can ask her. Mom, is it good to be on the roof? I thought you were going to say about the journey or the station.

I think I know her answer anyway. Fair enough. Again, I think being sucked off into shoots and let us think, it sucks in a few bad. It could be over very briefly and you're like, what a fun ride. It sounds honestly more like a ride Yeah, but kind of in a way. It's like going to a water park Yeah, like a water park is just shoots and ladders Yeah, and in fact I would argue with a water park the climbing the ladder sucks I don't know and going down the slide is the best part. Are you lighting up to climb a ladder?

You fucking mania? No, but you know when you're at a water park and you go on a huge slide and you have to get on that staircase that circles around? Am I in a queue? I have to wait? You're in a queue. You've made me hell. No, that's fun. I want you to die. Cause I'm like, oh fuck, am I up? Oh fuck! I don't find that inherently fun but if I'm doing it with a friend like my good friend Jackson Bailey I think I could enjoy it. I think it's fun. I love that bit. I think that's a great bit.

I think without that, if I could just say there was a tall slide and I just teleported to the top, not as fun. I need the anticipation. I need the build-up. That I disagree. I think maybe, again, maybe if there's not a huge line, I'm not just here waiting for ages, maybe you could convince me. Yeah, but again, is that like It's coming into it's autumn now so great time to go

No, I like going to a water park when it's really cold. There's no one there. That is empty It's good. Okay. Yeah, no cues There that is that is empty. It's good. Okay. Yeah, no cues Enjoy it and you kind of get like kind of cold and this offer a bit upset that you're there as well It's good. It's good vibe crazy that they're open. Yeah, absolutely Well, what are they gonna do with the water park? Otherwise, I suppose let it it's a lot of wasted money aside I guess let's let it lean a little the algae and scum build up stagnant water Why you don't run a water park.

Yeah. Yeah. One of the many reasons. Yeah. What would you pick Adam? I would pick, alright, imagine this. I'm not kidding. Close your eyes.

I've done. Everyone imagine. Alright, you get out of bed. Done. Nice. You put, you swung out of bed. Yeah. You put your slippers on orung out of bed yeah you put your slippers on or whatever you stand up nice I got slippers in this reality

this rules yeah um then you get a little a little pop-up notification okay what the guy the country Now fucked up yeah, you walk to your friend you walk to your front door you've got keys in hand You're ready to step outside and face the day. Uh-huh. You got a little pop-up. Uh-huh. What what is uh? What is the chemical composition of H2O? What do you mean? Isn't it H2O? Sorry, of water. What? H2O? I think the true nightmare would be to be sucked into trivial person.

Now in your mind, so say I wake up and say what's the capital of Chad? I get it wrong. What's the consequence? Do I not get out of bed? You can't move Am I I think you could still move but every every time you feel pursuit work. Yeah, oh you can't wait after stay I know you rolled a dice. I think you roll a dice moving what you land on I don't get that so imagine every discrete parcel of movement that you do ends in you having to solve a Trivia question, but is there a consequence for me getting it wrong annoying? I absolutely Yeah, I guess I need to answer the questions imagine in my game. I'm not in I'm not waking up Where am I I don't know really?

Jackson got to perceive his as a tower so maybe mine is just a quiz show. Yours is real life. If we're on a board, there's just like a balty, one solid colour. I'm like, oh no. Oh no. Well let's imagine that if you don't answer it correctly, you don't move Yeah, and let's not talk about the fact I said correctly. I would never let's just move faster Okay, do you think you could so I'm trying to get some trivial pursuit questions? Yeah, so I can see how long it would take us to get out of the nightmare as well because Trivial pursuit is actually also time well because Trivial Pursuit is actually also time dependent in that I have played a version of Trivial Pursuit where one of the questions I got was, you've landed in Dusseldorf Airport,

are you in East or West Germany? Oh my god. So imagine you get sucked into an old version of Trivial Pursuit where they're asking you very outdated questions. Okay so even non outdated questions I'm going to be bad at. Tribute oh yeah, yeah, they're asking you very outdated question, okay, so let's not that any questions I'm gonna be bad at okay. Let's imagine you you you wake up, but you can't open your eyes yet Yeah, until you answer a question, okay, but who painted the persistence of memory Salvador Dali

Adam also Salvador Dali you look out of bed well done Uh, also South of the Odali. You're both out of bed, well done! Yeah! Alright, maybe this isn't so bad. Now you gotta put on your slippers and go brush your teeth. I gotta brush my teeth. What is the name of the distance around the outside of a circle? The circumference. You're doing it, you're brushing your teeth.

Oh my god. Now you need to have a shower. Yeah. Okay. What was the first ever 12 inch record? The first ever 12 inch record. Yeah. The white album. You white standing there in front of the shower sorry the Beatles it's not called the white album everyone calls it the white album but it's called the Beatles 12 inch 12 inch first 12 inch record Elvis an Elvis album you wait an hour and Beethoven's Fifth Symphony there you are now here Here's an important question. Yeah, do you have to have another chance or you're just stinky for the day? I think you're just thinking okay

What is a double I'm sorry a do belt D U B B E L Sorry I mean Who have won? Sorry, I mean a du-bell Okay, thanks guys. There's no one reading it out to you in the board games. I assume. Okay. What is it? Du-bell imagine you crack open an egg and there's instead a question Yeah, you Bel what is it a unit of energy? No, it's a unit of something surely. It's a unit of energy Come on, Zamit.

Let's see here. Could it be... We know what, actually, we know what question the genre of the question is. General. General. Ah. Ah.

Suck a million shits, boys. Ah. Ah. Ah. Ah. Let's see. Ah, is it some sort of farm equipment? Neither of you eat today. It's a Belgian style beer.

Okay, time to drive to work. In which city will you find the Brandenburg Gate? Oh, Germany? Let's say, you say country, city, what do you say? City, it's a city. Oh, which city? Athens. Which city. Oh which city? Brandenburg?

Neither of you go to work. What is it? Sorry boss. You were so close. So hungry and stinky, you sit in your car. I guess you're not going to work today, you go back inside to have lunch.

During what war was the Iliad set? Uh, the Trojan. Yeah, the Trojan War. Okay, lunchtime for the boys. Well done. Oh, I'm so hungry. Nom nom nom nom. We're eating, we're eating good.

Okay, maybe you try to go to work for the back off of the day. Which two US states are- I tried to call my boss saying I can't come into work today because my trivial pursuit question was hard. I'm trying to like yell it to the mirror. Hello Joel Zamen? Yeah? I couldn't come into work because I didn't know where the Brandenburg bridge was. Same, I said Athens.

I said Brandenburg. You know how we both got that trivial pursuit disease? Which two US states are separated by the Delaware Bay? Which two US states? Alright. Separ separated by the Delaware Bay? Which two US states are a separate about the Delaware Bay come on the phone? Today which two US states are separated by the Delaware Bay Delaware is I think something like Washington DC. I think Delaware I'm thinking like the capital you know okay, Delaware which but the DC is a district. It's not a state It's a district of Columbia. Yeah, good with Delaware. I think Delaware could be in that area though is what I was in that area

It's not the only one here, Idaho No, I'm so certain it's not in the rust belt or the cornfields or whatever they call that area So fly over a state-saving Northeast let's go I'm gonna go north To fly over states I think they call it or something. Come on, two states, I just need two states. It's somewhere in the northeast. I'm gonna go New Hampshire and New England and North Hampshire. Sure, that makes sense. I wanna say, can I just chuck in Wisconsin? Okay, well I think you're gonna get it wrong. But I'm probably also.

Let's say I'm gonna go Idaho and Wisconsin. Okay, unfortunately neither of you make it to work today, Delaware or New Jersey Delaware's a state it could be a random trivia generator calm at least okay to eat dinner. Okay. What is Hungary's capital? Yes, okay dinner for the boys lunch and dinner Anyway, okay Now to go to sleep the end of the day to not have to stay awake all night This sucks what billionaire piloted the first hot air balloon ever to cross the Atlantic What?

Billionaire what billionaire piloted the first hot air balloon ever to cross the Atlantic. What billionaire? What billionaire piloted the first hot air balloon ever to cross the Atlantic? I was gonna say Howard Hughes, but he wanted to do planes. Uh, Lindenberg? He wasn't a billionaire, I don't think. And he also did planes. No.

Millionaire heart. Not a billionaire also did planes! Yeah Millionaire hot I can give you another I give you another one if that was too hard your won't join another Yeah, well just I got another turn of option. Okay. What us state is home to the raisin capital of the world Those are your two choices, two choices California whoa you sleep tonight I JP Morgan Richard Branson that was the guest for the state yeah this would be a lawyer and now imagine this you got a question

wrong today so it starts again the more oh yeah true yeah you'd And you get that question wrong, so you don't sleep that night. You wake up in the morning tired. I don't wake up, I just am present. It hits 6am and they say South Africa's Robon Island take its name from which creatures?

Take its name. Take its name. It take its name, does it? What animal takes its name. What? It take its name, does it? It take it what? What animal takes its name? Thanks. Robben Island, I strike you down with lightning. That's not how the game works. Yeah.

Okay, so what is a Robben? I didn't, I was too- I can't give you his. I was obsessed. I did not hear the question. Do you want the question? Yeah. Is it some kind of turtle? South Africa's roben that's r-o-b-b-e-n Island takes its name from which creature? Well, I know there is like the the rubus T and there's r-o-o and guess in both of these so the root word is a kangaroo mmm Adam no phones no

I'm questioning you in a minute. Okay. Is it is it, is it, I wanna say a crustacean. Can I go? Seals. Oh. Hahaha. Now, remind me about seals. Hahaha. I don't know.

Are they a crustacean? No. Hahaha. I wish. Okay, uh, who said, a dog has the soul of a philosopher? A dog has a soul of a philosopher? Jackson. A philosopher.

Plato, like a boss, dude. He was just saying Now imagine this jack yeah imagine this shit yeah, all right you get out of bed Who has never been Batman Ben Affleck Christian Bale George Clooney Val Kilmer or Adam West? Who's never been Batman give me them again Ben Affleck Christian Bale George Clooney Val Kilmer or Adam West? Who's never been Batman give me them again Ben Affleck Christian Bale George Clooney Val Kilmer or Adam West This is an outdated The answer is Ben Affleck Ben Affleck this is outdated Out of date trivial pursuit

Ben Affleck I'm playing an older version This is easier Yeah yeah yeah I just gotta think It would have been like the most recent one. Yeah, okay Yeah, I thought about it. You're right. You're right. Yes. No, here's another one Hang on. I'm trying to think Wow you landed Dusseldorf Airport. Are you in West or East Germany? Say West I say East

one of One of them. Yeah, one of these. I don't remember which one's which. I'm like West Germany. I feel that has an airport. Yeah exactly smart Nictophobia, scotophobia and ligophobia as well as a occluophobia are all a fear of what? Trivia. No the darkness of night. I thought trivial pursuit was being cheeky. What f-word do children shout out to Gandalf as his cart rolls through Hobbit Town? Fuck! Fuck! It's Gandalf! Fuck! Fuck!

Gandalf's here! Fucking hell! Fuck me! Gandalf! You got any fucking fireworks? I just looked that one up. Fucking hell, it's the fizzid... This fucking cunt. In the Bible who is the wife of Boz? Boz? B-O-A-Z Who's Boz's wife dude? That'd be Ruth obviously. Oh

Who's last word in Star Wars is what? Captain Kirk Star Wars Oh Star Wars, it's like I asked. What? I Captain Kirk Qui-gun gin Darth Vader I think it's an old one The whole thing about that and then he's like, you know got the mask off and then he's like yes, we've ward browsed to the force What? Huh? What? Ehhhh

Anyway, I think Trivial Pursuit's a fucking nightmare I think you're right dude, sounds like fucking hell Sounds like a nightmare No thank you Yeah Well, yeah I'd rather be 40 cats if I'm being 100% honest Yeah, at least with 40 cats I have an idea of what I'm doing

Yeah, exactly, 40 cats you can figure Tri idea of what I'm doing. Yeah, exactly You can figure it's just controls your life and none of us are smart enough to ever escape trivial That's kind of almost I'm just realizing a factor for me. Yeah, because I think Xamet you've picked A good one for you specifically because you're quite good at root. Mmm. So if the rule is you finish the game, you leave the game. Yeah, or win the game at least. Yeah, you get a chance of doing that. And for me, Snakes and Ladders is just an ombus game. For Trivial Pursuit, I don't think we're ever smart enough. Like, do they ever run out of questions?

Do they give you the answer? You get, they run out of questions, but it's a thick pile. Do they give you the answer? Yes get, they run out of questions, but it's a thick pile, dude. Do they give you the answer? Yes, yes they do. That's right, so you could get out with enough time. Well no, it'll be a why. Yeah, but you could do it,

cause you just end up having to learn the answer to every- Unless I die from not eating or sleeping first. Oh, that's right, it's real life. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But again, if it's bored, get like, oh, go, go. We either starve. Olme stays in Jumanji for so long. Yeah, he has to eat bananas and shit.

I'm trying to think of a game, Joel, that you couldn't, you wouldn't have an edge at because it's like so luck based or something like that. Mouse trap. Operation. Yeah. I reckon you got a steady hand. Do you think you could do surgery on someone if you just got in there? Yeah, me too. What do I need to do? It depends. Just like say you gotta take out a gallbladder. Yeah, where's the gallbladder?

I'd figure it out like once I'm in there. It's like right now Every surgery is exploratory surgery when your surgeon is Dr. Joel Joel Jackson Dr. Joel Jackson sounds like an absolute Luthario, dude. He's a lady killer, Dr. Joel Jackson, my god. And he's doing surgery by feel, you know? I'm getting in there and being like, I reckon this is the gallbladder. Cut that sucker out.

We're gonna have to go hard and deep on this one. I think I could do, maybe I couldn't do surgery, but I could do dental work. I could take out a tooth. How hard's that? You a root canal? Yeah, how about a filly? What is a root canal you get in the root of the root and you can now it yeah I thought so and on that note I've been Jackson Bailey. I've been Joel's amethyst. I've been Adam Cudavavale. Don't forget. Yeah, we made a board game Jaren's outpost the board game

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