Queen Havoc and Her Murder Cult - Episode 1: Queen in the Making

Episode Date: May 30, 2023

When an unsuspecting Christian group called Overcomers Through Christ meets Cecilia Steyn, a 42nd generation witch fleeing Satanism, they welcome her with open arms. Their leader, Ria Grunewald, strives to save Cecilia’s soul from the devil. But when Cecilia begins changing the group’s agenda – to fight Satan instead of praising the Lord – who will she alienate, and who will she indoctrinate? With her newfound influence, the fledgling cult leader makes her first moves toward intimidation… and violence. Follow us for more on Instagram. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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a mining town outside at Johannesburg. A faded green and yellow housing complex called Kassana Flats sits just across from the local hospital, a building that has seen better days. Inside one of the modest one-bedroom apartments, a group of ten faithful Christian worshipers has gathered in preparation for war. It is the home of Cecilia Stein, and the faithful have come to pray over her. You see, Cecilia is a witch, a 42nd generation witch, to be exact. She claims she was once married to Satan himself. She even has a marriage certificate to prove it.

But these days, Cecilia says she's left Satanism behind. She now seeks salvation from God's love. The members of this congregation which is devoted to fighting evil in all its forms, call their group, overcomers to Christ. Their leader is a kind, generous, 50-year-old woman named Rhea Grunovol. Tonight, she leads her followers in songs and fervent prayer to cast a devil out of his pale 30-year-old woman. They will attempt to divorce Cecilia from her marriage to Satan in hopes that these frequent possessions will cease. These believers call this gathering a high night.

Rhea gives the group strict orders to keep a close watch on Cecilia who sits on her bed, dead still, like a ticking time bomb. Without warning, Cecilia bolts upright in bed. She spasms her face contorts, her body jerks, she twists in her bed convulsing violently, she's possessed by a demon or perhaps the devil himself. What you're hearing now is a live recording of an actual high-night possession. As the young woman thrashes about her body bends and narrows, her voice screams and her soul cries out from deep inside her. Rhea, inner followers, exchange glances. They are in a full-on battle for this woman's

soul. Cecilia's body whips and snaps around in bed. It looks as if she's being hit by invisible blows. The group understands these to be attacks via astral projection. Cecilia is like a living voodoo dhal. The congregation fights even harder. They pray with conviction. Re-enter congregation are up against a spiritual wall. They focus their energies on Cecilia, laying hands on her. Blood bubbles

from Cecilia's mouth. This doesn't stop them. The believers implore the demons to release Cecilia from their grasp. And then, just as suddenly as the attack began, Cecilia's body His body goes limp. She collapses against the bed. She's eerily calm. The tiny apartment is now hot. Stuffy. The air is still agitated. The congregation's size. They begin to whisper.

Thanks, Peter God. In the battle for Cecilia's soul, they've won. They beat the devil. This time. My name is Kurt Kubicek. I'm a filmmaker and storyteller. And this is the true story behind the wrath of Cecilia Stein. She's actually an evil person.

She was born and bred with the thought that she has the power to kill. In the world of murderous cults, if Charles Manson is king, Cecilia Stein is queen. She conditioned him to be monsters. Why stab someone 65 times in a chase? Motivated by power, greed and revenge. Cecilia's cult called electus per deus killed 11 people in her name and left the lives of countless others in shambles.

If you want to get out of this, we will kill you. This feels like everybody around you is getting married. She is absolutely evil. She is giving my it. She is absolutely evil. She is the devil. Shoulder anything to get her away. From School of Humans and Ihar Podcasts, this is Queen Havoc and her murder cult. Episode one, Queen in the Making After a couple of years researching

I was eager to be on the ground, to understand more about this devastating case that gripped a nation, and to investigate some of the gaps in the story I'd read so much about. I wanted to talk with people, looking to the eyes of those who lived through it. To your first hand accounts from both the survivors and the killers, who in this bizarre instance are sometimes one and the same. What really hooked me about this story was the detectives, the lengths to which they had to go in order to end Cecilia Stein's reign of murder and mayhem, and achieve at least a sense of justice for the victims and their families. The detectives were everyday heroes, but not in some way that's easy to define.

In fact, some of them were dirty, which is another part of this story. This is why we wanted to speak with them and with everyone we could. Anyone who could tell us about this case and all the horrors that were carried out in a holy name. So, producer Jennifer Tokini and I traveled from Los Angeles to South Africa

where this whole saga began. Town blue international layer board in Johannesburg, local time, 28 minutes past 6 o'clock, South Africa can stand a time. We'll be taxiing for the next few minutes to get to the end. Halfway around the world, we traveled to meet with detectives, journalists, psychologists, and we even got to speak with some of the cult members themselves, the ones who managed to stay alive, all of whom were forever changed by Cecilia Stein. On the trail in South Africa, what we encountered was much more tragic than what we had imagined at the start.

In short, the story changed us too. You told me about how he killed with that act. In speaking with locals and investigating this story, we actually shook things up a bit. We ended up unearthing things that were meant to remain buried. We were even nearly entangled in a police corruption investigation. This story is still alive, and it's still seeking justice. The Kruger's door of cold killings, as they're known in South Africa, were a grizzly chain of events.

To make sense of the near senseless brutality, let's get to know Kroobr's store. The small suburb, about 40 minutes west, the O'Hanaesburg, where the murders occurred, one that is still tormented by these dark events. 11 different languages are spoken across South Africa. Most people in Kroobr's store speak Afrikaans as their first language. To understand some of the cultural context of South Africa,

we'll turn to academics and scholars, ones who are there at the time, like Dr. Nikki Falkov. These towns on the outskirts of Johannesburg, they feel like places that time forgot almost. Nikki has spent her life studying South African culture post apartheid and has written extensively on the topic. Driving through the greater Johannesburg area and Kruggerstor, you see these high walls and imposing iron gates

they're everywhere. Nearly every community is gated, sealed, closed off. It is a rather perfect metaphor for the themes that emerged while we reported on this story. For instance, when we choose walls to protect ourselves, we must also consider who we choose to let in and why. These walls, the very things we think are pretendinous, can actually leave us vulnerable.

Do they provide protection or imprisonment? On the surface, the confines of a cult make you feel like you belong. That's why they're appealing. But after a while, they begin to serve as a reminder that once you're in, there's no getting out. And finally, the biggest question in my mind, what drives our inherent human need to belong to something? And how do our relationships serve our efforts towards satiating this primal desire? We have some hijacking hot spots. We're used to avoid.

Yeah, so see traffic light at night. I wait like this because if someone approaches my window right now, I've got that much space to hit forward and they have to run. That's great tip. That's really good. And you put your hand on the hooter. Yes. That's me and my producing partner, Jennifer Tachini, driving with

Jamein Kriger, who helped us navigate around South Africa during our time there. I'm a South African journalist who working across a variety of beats and mediums. Jamein quickly became an integral part of our team, as she grew up very close to Kruger's door. I am a wasteland baby, born and bred, raised on the wasteland, which is just a stone throw away from Kruger's door. The West RAND is a district that implies West the Johannesburg or Joburg as the locals call it. Kruger's door is in this district as well. We have very high levels of poverty across South Africa.

Kruger's door specifically has very high levels of white poverty, which makes it quite different from a lot of the other regions. In the same breath though, it also has incredibly rich and affluent areas. So it's got this absolute disparity, this contrast, and I think that I probably had a big influence in the case, specifically if you look at the economic crime element of it. We were very fortunate to have Jameen's guidance, insight, and logistical support. We also learned from the many people

we spoke to that South Africa is a fervently religious place, close to 80% of people identify as Christians nationwide. Many of them in Pentecostal or evangelical traditions. There are, of course, and sexual traditions as well, but only 5% identified with these belief systems in the General Household Survey. And just to be clear, we are dealing with white communities here, both the criminals and the victims.

In the US, this was many people's first question when hearing about this case. That being said, we can't talk about post-apartheid South Africa without acknowledging the racial dynamics underlying every aspect of life there. The segregation of apartheid, it trained white South Africans to live in a perpetual state of fear. They feared imagined black violence due to the centuries of violent oppression, which led to these modern terrified white people hiding behind towering white walls. Here's Nikki Falcoff again.

There was this manifestation of a kind of really hysterical Christian paranoia, particularly among white South Africans. And there was a measurable uptick in communities of faith leading up to South Africa's own version of satanic panic in the 1980s. Without a doubt, I think that structural conditions that are 100% related to apartheid but have been exacerbated ever since

are the main driver of these kinds of behaviors. It's not that Satan has an extra special foothold in South Africa. There are a number of theories as to what drove the fervor, but it grew, became ingrained within South African culture while the impending end of apartheid sewed the seeds of a broader moral panic in fast sections of the white population. And over time, these small, tight-knit congregations, like the overcomers through Christ, became commonplace. There's someone else I'd like you to meet.

Someone that is very important to this story, and a person I have come to respect and admire greatly. and a person I have come to respect and admire greatly. I'm Susette Knützer. I started with a police in 1990. I started at the Detective Service at our head office. Detectives who Zet Knützer is a third-generation detective, mother of two, and served in the South African Police Service as a satanic panic game steam in the 90s. She was also one of the detectives who worked on the cruvres door of cold killings, and she's the person who first introduced me to this case when I met her in Los Angeles in 2019.

From there in 1992, I started with a unit called the Occult related crimes. Yep, you heard that right. That's the Occult-related crimes unit, or orcue, an entire unit of the police force dedicated to investigating criminal activity with potential links to occult rituals and practices, which craft the supernatural, matters of the spirit. It was the only unit of its kind in the world, forming a response to the sheer number of gruesome murders

and misdeeds being reported. Pretty wild, right? We dealt with all kinds of occult-related crimes, being Sidonism, being, well, anything that had to do with the occult, those kinds of crimes are handled. Well, myself and Penel Younger. She mentions Dr. Colonel Cobus Youngker. He was the founder and head of Orkoo, an author of a book called Satanism in South Africa

that outlines what kinds of crimes they handled, those deemed a cult in nature. He told us about a couple of particularly macabre cases he handled. Some of these satanic groups had some dreadful rituals. They often involved exhumed corpses, severed body parts, and jewelry made from human vertebrae. And then I went up and opened the cupboard next to him, and there I found that woman's head being a cupboard. Spine-chilling crimes like this were happening regularly and the judicial system, also majority Christian, took Satan very seriously. The monic possession was even taken into consideration in courts of law. The judge basically said, occult and satanic possession,

would be a viable reason in my courtroom for not being prosecuted for a murder. These stories of panic and ritual murder are meant to emphasize the gravity of this movement. The satanic panic of the 90s was literally a panic about the devil. The literal physical presence of the devil. This fear of the devil is still very real for South Africa

and the people of Krooghrsdorf. This frenzy affected every level of society, courts, households, schools, and people like re-agrenable. Queen Havik's first victim, or at least the first that we know of. I suffered from acne into my 30s. I had tried everything from pills and creams to painful treatments and nothing seemed to work. Then a friend told me about skin laundry. She'd been getting their laser facials and said they were effective and did not require any downtime.

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Rhea knew what it meant and she often won her battles, saving exateness from the devil's grasp, but the enemy was still everywhere. This means there's an evil cultic conspiracy that is capable of extreme violence and lurks unseen behind all sorts of doors in South Africa. Ria was determined to keep those doors bolted shut in the name of God. Here's back Ria Grünewald, which were bought obviously of the Krugasdorp murders, came to us for training. Psychologist F. H. Hvinga was a mentor to Rhea. His organization facilitates training for community leaders.

I met with F.H. at his practice and sat down with him to learn more. She went through a course in our training modules, which is helping potential victims of a cult-related trauma. The influence of Satanism was strong enough to require cult intervention and recovery programs. After her training, Rhea started a group she called Overcomers Through Christ. We'll refer to them as OTC. Here is Colonel Cobus Younger again. They would a group that dealt with Sataness, getting him out of the movement.

The devil was, in fact, encircling them. Only she was in disguise. It was Queen Havik herself, Cecilia Stein. The day when Celia joined this overcome through Christ, the ministry that Ria created. Celia came in as she broke away from Satanism and needs help and needs protection, because the witches wants to kill her and they have to hide her and Ria gave all to Celia.

Everyone who knew Ria speaks to her altruistic nature and ability to see the good in people, despite their past. Unfortunately, her welcoming spirit and unwavering faith made her vulnerable to someone like Cecilia. Religion can be abused. To maybe like people to get whatever from them. That's journalist Yana Marx. She's well known in South Africa and wrote the definitive book on this case after being present for all of the court proceedings. It's called the Kruger Store cult killings inside Cecilia Stein's reign of terror. We sat down with her in her home to discuss the case.

It's happening much more than we think, especially in a more conservative, more religious country like South Africa. Whether or not it was Cecilia's original intention to gain power, we will never know. What we do know is that she will have an intricate and seductive web that a select few got seriously tangled in.

Here's Detective Susette Canota again. Celia just saw the loophole in getting close to Ria, and she just grabbed it. She took Ria's sensitive personality and kind personality for granted. Ria's mentor breaks down some of her manipulation personality for granted. Reiz mentor breaks down some of her manipulation tactics for us. Usually, when we talk about cults, we use a byte system, B-I-T-E.

Behavior, information, thoughts, and emotions. To elaborate, a cult leader exerts control by influencing their potential followers using this methodology. The model proposes that these constitute the four components of mind control. Behavior is usually the first, a good way to test the waters. When a cult leader starts influencing people, they first start controlling the behavior. They do something, the cult leader does does something and see how people respond. Cecilia made fast friends with Rhea, whose whole heart was focused on Cecilia's salvation and ultimate deliverance from Satan himself. She was an ex-sightiness according to her that was married to the devil. She even got a marriage certificate that she and the devil signed. I don't know exactly where she met him to sign the contract, but yeah.

That's detective Ben Boison. Think of Chuck Norris with the tenacity of SVU's Elliott Stabler. I mean, this guy lives to serve, protect, and to take down the bad guys. We'll spend a lot of time with Ben throughout this podcast. It is in large part his determination that eventually broke the case and given the pace of the killings, likely saved many lives. Detective Suzette Kanote says Cecilia's claims of diabolical organs drew Rhea in and soon other members of the OTC were spellbound too.

She had a witch mother that gave birth to her. and soon other members of the OTC were spellbound too. She had a witch mother that gave birth to her. Cecilia told Ria that she had a witch mother who had been sacrificed by the Satanic Church, leaving Cecilia vulnerable and alone. She was plagued by Satanic possessions that could overtaker at any moment. The devil will come and you will write Cecilia

to get the backing to sightenism. Both women agreed that Ria should hold maternal rights over Cecilia. She assured Ria that by maintaining this role, she would gain more favor in the spirit world and pose a greater threat to the Satanist. Cecilia began calling Ria Mama. Celia could never leave Kruegesl.

No, a certain perimeter of her house because then the witches attack and she gets sick and whatever. Rhea commissioned OTC members to aid her in what became a 24-7 vigil to protect Cecilia from these supernatural threats. Cecilia also claimed to suffer from dissociative identity disorder or DID, meaning she had multiple personalities that she would slip in and out of, a result of some early traumatic experiences. So Cecilia truly could never be left alone. Cecilia would become a little girl or anya, three-year-old, and Riyo would just play

with her. They would go through the park, and she would lie in Riyo's arm like a little girl would do when you go out in the picnic. They would just really, you know, nurture this little girl. They would even feed her formula from a bottle when she was hungry. I know it sounds outlandish to think about a woman in her 50s feeding this 30-year-old from a baby bottle, but it's true. Rio was that committed to Cecilia.

By 2008, Rio deepened her commitment by moving into an apartment down the street from Cecilia's home at Cassana Flats. To protect her spiritual daughter, Mama Rea and the other members began to work in shifts. They took care of all Cecilia's earthly needs. This also meant that Cecilia, now subtly and slightly, began to control their work schedules. She expected certain people to tend to her at certain times. She also exerted control over when they ate, when they slept, what music they listened to,

and what they watched on TV, including violent serial killer movies. By 2010, after three years of influence, Cecilia's agenda had all but taken over the group. The payoff for the OTC members was fulfilling their mission and saving souls from Satan's grip. That's the sad thing, because Ria gave the platform for Cecilia to write the information, which all her volunteers, Ria's volunteers in overcomers in Christ would follow.

Cecilia convinced Ria that her congregation was too focused on, believe it or not, Jesus. That in order to fight the devil, to help people escape from him, they must get to know the Prince of Darkness. They must study him and familiarize themselves with his deceitful ways and clever tricks. And Cecilia, she knew the devil, intimately, so she was the only one who could tell him everything they needed to know to successfully combat this spiritual battle against evil. Together, Re-And Cecilia set out to write a pamphlet that laid out just that. Everything Cecilia knew about Satan from her past and how to fight him. They called it, know your enemy.

That was the manual. That is a perfect platform for a cult leader. All the volunteers started admiring Cecilia. Cecilia became the leader. Cecilia became the leader. Cecilia became the voice. Cecilia became the knowledge. Cecilia became the expert. All the while, Ria's mentor saw the red flags and it is best to guide her. As it rea please we worried about you. You are isolating. You don't have mentorship. The only people you are associating with is people in your group.

One of the classic signs of a group that has gotten lost inside itself is when the members believe they have enough moral high ground to reject the ideas of anyone who questions them. We couldn't find any neutral ground. The reiyadh just said, no, but God said, and I'm going to look after this lady and God put it on my life and the Holy Spirit says, is it real? Whoa, whoa, whoa. Riyadh would not heed his words.

The OTC's level of involvement in Sicily's life was far from ethical in the Isahubinga and his training organization. So he withdrew her credentials. The training that we did with you and all your certificates and everything, we are now cancelling that. We are suspending all that from today and requesting that you will not in any form associated your name with any of our affiliates.

Despite her insisting otherwise, Rhea had over committed, with maternal rights to Cecilia's myriad of personalities, there was some next-level caretaker going on for Rhea. After years of playing handmade, though, Rhea did begin to question Cecilia's motives, and by the fall of 2011, her mentors warnings echoed in her mind. I remember my words. I say to Ria, if you continue with this, people can lose their lives. You are playing with life and death, principle shit. And unfortunately, Havingo is right.

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from her old pastor, Reginald Ben Dixon. He pointed out to her that their focus on Satan and protecting themselves from evil was so robust that they had forgotten about living for others and the power of the Lord. Cecilia could sense Rhea's withdrawal. She became enraged at the thought that Rhea would give up on her so she started asserting power, however she could. We are about to hear is a piece of written testimony by Ria. We tried to contact her for an interview, but she has since changed her name and moved far away from Kruger's door.

So we asked an actor to read it for us. The statement is sparse, but this particular memory, she felt moved to share. After she put me at Jews, one morning I fell asleep and I woke up 10 hours later. She told me that an astral spirit came in and put a sedative in my Jews. Cecilia had bruises all over her body. She said the sadness had attacked her while reassled. From that day on she knew everything about me, even my character floors. She assured me that the satanic church had all my information. They knew my every conversation,

every move, even my thoughts. I was always surrounded by them and I couldn't do anything without them knowing. I believed her. It was later revealed in court that while Ria was sleeping Cecilia had in fact gone through Ria's phone and computer seeking information she could later use to control her. After this incident, Rias' suspicion of Cecilia's motives only grew. And so came the great divide.

As we see, you're going to start forming camps within overcomers in Christ and people need to start making decisions and you need to now choose. You're going to be four or against. Many of the members of OTC remained devoted to Rhea. Some followed Cecilia and still others were caught in the middle, unsure how to navigate this awkward separation. Cecilia still demanded round the clock care, and members would continue to rotate to be with her, including one OTC member, Natasha Berger, who will meet again later. A select few, however, swore off both Rhea and Cecilia a decision that may very well have saved their lives. Cecilia managed to pull five loyal members into her camp.

They called themselves electus predes, Latin, for chosen by God. And the people in this group, which we refer to as EPD, would eventually become known as the Kruger-Storp Killers. Cecilia Stain had this group around her, which around which involved Mikhaila Valentine, Zach Valentine, Marinda Stain and the two kids Leru and Marcel. They actually continued meeting in private at the Silas House. That's Captain Johann Van Vick, a critical player in the murder investigations. He's a tall, stately man, well dressed in a sharp suit.

He's soft-spoken and seemed a little nervous when we sat down with him. Keep in mind, this is a winding spiral stairs kind of case with many phases of escalation. It became, for obvious reasons, a national issue. And for other reasons that you'll come to know, there were several stages of investigation. A variety of professionals were brought in to lend their insight, including child psychologists

and advocate Rosalind McNabb. Marcel, her mother, brother, Zach Valentinis, why? They decided to side with Cecilia, and then they decided to call themselves electus padeus, which is chosen by God. The members of electus padeus consisted of Marin de Stein, no relation to Cecilia, and her two children, Luru and Marcel, along with married couple, Zach and McCayla Valentine. Marcel Stein was only 10 years old, and her brother LaRouh was just 12 when their mother folded their family into electus pradais. Cecilia ran electus pradais like a real ministry. Members had to make their regular contributions to finance the group's activities.

She adopted a symbolic new identity and insisted her tiny flock call her by her first initial. See, she pulled from the bite method playbook, declaring OTC the enemy, and making herself the center of their universe. Cecilia now had an army of her own, and Rhea was trying hard to distance herself, to leave the battlefield altogether. Arya told Celia, listen, I don't want to have anything to do with you anymore. And now Celia sees it as being rejected. And now she's not happy with that. And she needs revenge.

Cecilia was furious that Rhea deserted her. How could her own mother do this to her? She would have to pay. Cecilia told Rhea via text that she had a meeting with Satan and he had given her a message for Rhea. Playtime is over. This is war. Just before the murder started, there was car bombings happening to scare Ria. The petrol bombs were used to intimidate people attending these meetings. This season on Queen Havoc and her murder cult.

If she kills Ria, Ria can't return to her. She was telling people the battles they should were going to kill, but actually she was taking revenge. The beating, the headboard, the wall, and the roof was full of blood. It could have been me and you, they were doing regular job showing up for an appointment and they were killed. Every time you think you understand what's happening, you realize that you're wrong.

Queen Havek in her murder cult is a production of School of Humans and I Heart podcasts. Queen Havek is hosted and created by me, Kurt Kubicek, produced and written by Jennifer Tachini, Julia Kriskao, and Kurt Kubicek. Lead producer is Julia Kriskao. Story editor is Seren Burnett. Senior producer is Amelia Brock. Production manager is Daisy Church,

original music composed by Claire Campbell, editing, sound design, and scoring by Jesse Nicewanger. Associate producers are DASHIN MUDELY and JAMANE CRYHER, additional producing by Ben Melman, fact-checking by Dennis Webster. Recording engineers are Graham Gibson, Clay Hillenberg, and Josh Hook. Rhea Grunovald's testimony is read by Madeleine Page. Executive producers are Virginia Prescott, LC Crowley, Brandon Barr, Jennifer Tkini, and Kurt Kubuchek.

We want to thank all of those who so generously welcomed us in South Africa and shared their stories. We're incredibly grateful to you all. We also want to acknowledge how traumatic these events are for the victims and their families. Please respect their privacy. If you or someone you know has been affected by cold behaviors, there are resources available, including Voices for Dignity at ChristineMurray.com. has been affected by cold behaviors. There are resources available, including voices for dignity at ChristineMurray.com. I suffered from acne into my 30s. I had tried everything from pills and creams to painful

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