Queen Havoc and Her Murder Cult - Episode 7: Abhorrent Behavior

Episode Date: July 4, 2023

Zak Valentine is missing, and Queen Cecilia is the sole beneficiary of his life insurance plan. Acting on their suspicions, the insurance company pays a visit to Cosanna Flats to investigate further.�� They interview Cecilia Steyn herself and uncover the depths of her delusions. This puts EPD at risk, once again forcing them to stick with what they know best.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Listener discretion advised. In late December of 2015, LaRou Steine made a call to discovery life insurance, inquiring about a payout due to his aunt, Cecilia Steine. Thank you so much for holding for me, Luros. I am waiting in the system to generate a claim number for us. Hacker, I'm going to also need your email address. After Michaela's death, Zach Valentine received 500,000 Rand or $27,470 US dollars from her life insurance policy. Cecilia recognizing this is a potential way to make a lot of fast money,

insured that she was named as Zack's sole beneficiary. Did he have any kids or wife? He didn't have kids. And he's also quite nice actually. We knew her quite well as well. But he was going to the house and said when she was there and she got murdered as well. Oh my gosh. Yeah. Amen.

The insurance agent then asked LaRou if Zach was his best friend. Well, basically years after Abna, since I was basically 12 years old and we did karate together, we went fishing together, we did everything together. I didn't have a father in my life, all of a big brother. So he was like,

a big brother, a father, everything he was doing. And he was suddenly my own model of my life. So, I just turned 20 the other day. I mean, everything's together. Amen. That's why we were really close. And that's why it said, if anything happens to him, I want to make sure his mom is okay.

He's okay. His family, everything's sorted out. And what's your mom's name? My mom's name is Miranda. Miranda. Yes. What's your mom's name? My mom's name is Miranda. Miranda. Yes. And my aunt named Ruzanar Nim Singh Ji was basically seven years old, she still has died.

Oh, I see. So, I'll forward it through to the broker. You more than welcome to contact the broker if you want to deal with it. And you can get a list of authority from the beneficiary. Leroux tells the insurance agent that the beneficiary is right there with him. She's young, but she's like too young to be expected. Most I give her the phone by any chance.

Okay, you can, if she can agree for me to send the requirements through to you, then that will be fine. I will need to send it to the broker. I can just give me a second. Sure. I'm in the agreement for your benefit to me. I don't know about you, but to me, those sound like real tears. They would make sense after all the Ruud bin through that lies or not. He was genuinely distraught

He puts a silliestine on the line I love hi, I'm thinking here She lost time Please can you come your ID for me? Okay, it's that's not ID in the word means I Okay, you just give me five minutes? No problem. Cecilia sobs into the phone for a while, and then returns and gives the agent her ID number. Thank you so much, Cecilia.

Okay, can you just confirm and verify for me over the phone if it's okay for me to send the requirement to the Los Angeles email address? And the responsibility of claiming this payout was now in the hands of a 20-year-old, Leroux Stein. From School of Humans and Ihar Podcasts, this is Queen Havoc and her murder cult. I'm your host, Kurt Kupichek. Episode 7. Abhorrent Behavior. It's a warm winter day here in Johannesburg. Journalist Yana Marks invited us over to enjoy a traditional South African Brie.

A gathering outdoors, Yana makes us feel right at home. The flames of the fire look at the meat on the grill. Several different meats seasoned with paprika, cloves, brown sugar and honey. The aromas are new but familiar and wonderfully inviting. As we dig into the bri, we discuss possibly heading out to downtown Joeburg to one of the biggest sports matches in the country to watch the spring box play rugby. After lunch, we dive into more details of the case involving Joan and Peter Meyer. This double homicide is the first of what would become known as the appointment murders.

It could have been me and you that were doing regular regular job showing up for appointment and they were killed. The Kruger-Storp killings is an umbrella title given to all the murders carried out by electus per deus. But there were two waves. The revenge killings aimed at Rhea Grunovald that took place in 2012. and then the appointment murders, seven killings that occurred between November of 2015 and June of 2016. These happened in such quick succession that Kruger's Dorp was once again consumed by fear.

Investigative journalist, Maritska Kotser, lived in the area at the time and covered this second wave of homicides. You know, it was scary because you didn't know who the killer is. You know, you think a serial killer, but what does a serial killer look like? It can be anyone around us. Reflecting on the case files, Detective Ben Boyson thought the murder of Joan and Peter Meyer looked like a classic robbery gone wrong.

But the season detective kept turning over the facts. I think Cecilia told him that it must be a robbery, but I think at the end of the day, Marannan Zach, by themselves decided no. We're going to get the 10 million ran from his house and then we're going to kill them because if you go and rob somebody, you cover your face. By this logic, no mass were necessary from Miranda and Zach. While Cecilia may have forgiven this betrayal of her orders, she had not forgotten it.

If Zach Valentine had come back to her with millions of rants instead of a measly 40 or so bucks, she might have let it slide. The plan was to go rob them, and then the robbery became a murder. The fact that Zach killed them angered the even wall because that was never part of the plan. Because of this epic failure by Zach, Cecilia shifted her strategy for fattening her and EPD's coffers.

To do that, EPD would have to be more loyal than vengeful, more brains, and less blood. Zack's life insurance policy was worth 3.5 million rand, roughly $200,000. That would go a long way, and thus, they'd all agreed. Zack included. He needed to die. Except not really. As long as the cops and insurance company never caught on, Zach was worth a lot more dead than alive. All they needed now was a corpse and a foolproof hiding spot. Jared Jackson was a 41-year-old street vendor. Jared and his partner Candace both struggled with addiction.

To make money, they sold snacks outside the hospital, the one across the street from Cassana Flats. Here's Detective Ben Boison. So they befriended Jared because he was a homeless guy and he was going to miss only his gold frame and they were both sleeping on the street. Unfortunately, to Cecilia, Jared was someone the cops overwhelmed as they were, probably wouldn't spend too much time looking for. Also, he and Zach could easily be mistaken for one another,

especially from far away. But there was one person who would never mistake Jared for anyone else. His fiance, Candice Ellison, she sat for an interview broadcast on Jack Miranda FM in February of 2022. She reflected a bit on what came before. Growing up in difficult household, getting into drugs to survive and thinking that was the answer. Every bad horrible story you hear, I've pretty much lived it. But then she met Jared. Girls are raised to look for their prince charming and it's something that I did constantly

trying to find that beautiful moment and I met Jarrin and we had beautiful moments and we also went to hell together, quite literally on the street, heroine addicts and it was not something I would put my worst enemy through. But in 2015, Candace was pregnant, and the couple was actively trying to find a path toward a sober, healthy life.

That's when they met Cecilia Stein. We met Cecilia and the whole group, Zach and Miranda and all of them. And at the time, I remember thinking, all these people are a little bit off, but they seem to really care, they want to help. And it's only afterwards that I realized that we were being groomed.

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They want to know about that. They will kill you. Listen to all episodes now on the I Heart Rainy Up, Apple Podcasts, or whatever you get your podcasts. Throughout the winter of 2015 Cecilia conditioned Jared Jackson and his fiance Candace Ellison to think that she was someone who really cared about them and wanted to help. Keep in mind the seasons in South Africa are the opposite of those in the states. First she hired Jared to sort through her storage room. She said he could take whatever he liked and sell it if he got rid of everything else

for her. Later Cecilia offered the storeroom to Jared and Candace as a place to crash. There was no running water, and at night they would have to be locked inside the tiny space so that the other residents wouldn't get suspicious. But they needed the help, and the couple was grateful. After all, it was cold outside. And at least they had each other. They were off the streets and in love.

Then, one day the following summer, on December 16, 2015. He walked out the door, looked back and said, just remember, I will always love you. And at the time, I was like, oh, yeah, just go come back to style. Not realizing what a moment that that would be the last moment. Zach and Cecilia made a point to run into Jared that day. They said they needed his help with something out of town. Cecilia lied and told him Zach was epileptic and unable to drive alone. They appealed to Jared's good nature and asked

him to help. She'd been so good to him and Candace after all. And they could even advance him Jared broke and indebted to Cecilia agreed. That was at 4.30pm. By nightfall, Candice got worried. Jared didn't come home which was totally unlike him. He didn't stray very far. When Jared still wasn't back by morning, Candice knew something was terribly wrong. She tried calling Cecilia, but got no response. So she walked over to Cassana Flats. Cecilia came to the door. When she saw Candace standing there, Cecilia's face changed.

Suddenly she was in tears. Sobbing while she explained that Zack had been in an accident, he had a seizure while he was driving and he was now in a coma. Candace fell apart. She assumed Jared must have been in the car with Zack. But Cecilia reassured Candace that Jared had bailed on the trip altogether. I went to Cecilia's house knowing that he'd gone there and she was like, no, I'd never trip altogether. Meanwhile, the charred wreckage of a silver BMW was discovered, tucked into the tall grassland

off to the side of the road in Petrus Dine, a little over two hours south of Kruger's Dwarp, burned beyond recognition. Officers found no skid marks, no broken glass, no signs of a collision of any kind, but inside they found a body. It was found in a car with a pipe through the exhaust and then it was said, okay, committed suicide. The previous afternoon, Zactorev the BMW, that same car which was due to be repossessed by the bank with Jared there in the passenger seat.

LaRou just behind him. It's not hard to imagine them when ripping through the windows on a South African summer evening. Jared squinting in the dusty light, turning inward as they leave the city limits, the way a long car ride urges reflection. From the back seat, LaRue hands Jared a mango juice he packed for the drive. Jared drinks it down quickly. As the minutes pass, with the setting sun, he can't stay awake.

Sleeping pills again. Leroux slowly unravels blue and red twine from a spool. With one quick move, he sits forward and loops the twine around Jared's throat. There in the seat in front of him, Jared struggles. He flails, kicks the dashboard, fighting for his life. But without air, he can't fight for long. As Jared thrashes, Zach almost loses control. The silver BMW squirfs across the lane.

In the car behind them, Miranda and John Barnard follow. A few jagged moments pass. Zach's car slows and pulls off to the side of the road. That's their signal. Jared Jackson is dead. dead. They prop his lifeless body up behind the wheel. Zach plants his phone on the passenger seat, evidence to be found. Next, John and the Rue Lupa hose from the car's exhaust pipe and feed it into the front window.

They pour paraffin wax on the car and push the BMW through the grass toward the tree line. A match is thrown. The car goes up. It burns bright and hot. A blossom of flames against the dark. As the three men stare at the fire licking the night's air, Jared's body will be of little use to any investigator or so they hoped. You couldn't even see that it's a human being, it's like a piece of an animal that was burnt in a felt fire. Now they are a body. Next, it was time to make the Reels Act Valentine disappear. When they killed Jared, they brought that to this hotel, the Arbach hotel,

so this is the first place where he was hiding. The next morning, while Candace searched for Jarrett, Miranda called the officer who had been investigating the mire murders. She contacted him on his private cell phone number. She explained in a quivering voice that Zack died the previous night. He would not be taking his polygraph tests later that month. Miranda also requested that her own tests be postponed to January 7, 2016, three weeks away. The officer agreed to the reschedulant, but was then quickly consumed by the constant barrage of other pressing cases. After Zack died, then he actually got so much cases that the case went cold.

The last entry in that murder was in January 2016 and I took it over in June, July 2016. So from January till that time, nothing happened on that case. By now, Miranda felt she was a pro at a vading law enforcement. from January till that time, nothing happened on that case. By now, Miranda felt she was a pro at a vading law enforcement. Lucky for the people of Kruger's door, discovery life insurance was far more thorough than the police, less overwhelmed and trained to sniff out fraud. That same morning, after successfully shaking the police off their trail, Miranda traveled out of town to the morgue to identify Zach Valentine's dead body.

This was the first step in the process of claiming his life insurance policy. She posed as his sister, and she brought along a friend. Remember Cecilia's husband Dries, the cop? Well, his brother-in-law tagged along and posed as Miranda's husband, a seemingly suspect ruse, but we'll keep going. According to Detective Ben and Colonel Kristell Boyzen, the faux couple allegedly made a shady deal with the coroner

in charge of Jared Jackson's burned-up body. Even the poetry official that allowed this identification Jackson's burned up body. The two seasoned officers told us that typically, the mortuary official must provide a written statement confirming the identity of a body. This process is supposed to be done under oath in the presence of a law enforcement official. She took a statement from them and then she oathed a statement to self using another police officer's signature defrauding it. Now armed with doctored paperwork, Miranda headed straight to the funeral home.

She requested they handle the cremation as soon as possible. To do so, required written permission from next of kin. In this case, Zach's parents. Throne by this surprise, Miranda and her fake husband agreed to return the following day with the written permission along with payment. Cecilia in the meantime was on damage control, working from the safety of Cassana Flats. She placated a frantic canvas,

still searching for her fiance. She said, I'll help you look. I'll contact the morgue. I will contact the hospitals. And she seemed genuinely upset. She was gonna help me look. And then that day, she even, obviously, we were still really struggling.

She gave me 50 rounds. She said, here, go get something to eat. I'll let you know if I hear anything. Unfortunately, the appointment murders would continue to stain Kruger's door with blood while discovery life insurance stalled on the Zach Valentine payout. The company eventually conducted their own investigation,

which included a house call, an in-person interview with the beneficiary. Cecilia had been preparing for this role her entire life. Where is he's watching? She died a few years ago. 911, what's your emergency? You shot her! Oh my God!

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We're teenagers terrified to leave our own homes. Would we be next? Who is killing all the kids? And why? In that moment, I saw rage. And why do you some want the town town secrets to stay dead and buried forever? I'm not sure why you're digging up all this old stuff again, but I'd be careful. Don't say I didn't warn you Nancy.

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They want to know that they will kill you. Listen to all episodes now on the I Heart Rainy Up, Apple Podcasts, or whatever you get your podcasts. or any app, Apple podcasts, or whatever you get your podcasts. The insurance investigation conducted by Discovery Life was recorded on video. The assessor's wore body cams to preserve evidence, safeguard themselves, and confirm the validity of the claim. In matters of grief and money, emotions run high, and beloved, or even estranged

relatives, may act erratically. The audio we're going to share with you now is pulled from the shaky video of Cecilia's interview with these representatives. It starts as the insurance agents enter Cecilia's apartment. Hello. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi.

Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi.

Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. few things that stand out about this initial impression of Cassano Flats. First and foremost, it's the noise. There is a din that surrounds and penetrates Cassano Flats. There's the swinging of rusted iron and steel slamming against metal-framed doorways.

The city bus and cars rush by. Not to mention the hospital directly across the street. Sirens racing, too too and from the ER. It's all a bit maddening, an app sound track to Cecilia's chaotic world. Cecilia settles in for the interview. She centers herself on the couch, a bit of a man's spread, she looks quiet at ease.

But the tell for us is that the whole time she has a baseball cap pulled down low, just over her spectacle of eyes. She is in the center of the frame. The assessor sit directly across from Cecilia. The interviewer is the one wearing the body cam, so his voice is often louder than Cecilia's. His colleague is in the room, off camera.

He does all the talking and cuts right to the heart of the matter. Cecilia's relationship with Zach. You know him quite well. I've known him since he was seven years old. Since seven years old. Okay, obviously that's why you used beneficiary. I was used beneficiary when I was still married to his wife. So, in case you miss that, she says quote,

I was his beneficiary when he was still married to his wife. It sounds like she's boasting here in the interviewer calls her on it. In a specific reason they just sound odd so you can't. No, no, no. He had that before he got married and never changed it. Strange that she felt the need to even mention that fact, right? Of course, they continue to inquire about Makayla. And his wife, where is his wife?

She died four years ago. OK. But then he never got remarried. No. OK. And did they have any children? Cecilia mumbles something about Zack's diabetes and how he didn't want kids because of his condition.

The investigator presses on. Did something bad happen to his wife or something? Yeah, I'm the broken thing in the house and I'm... she got killed by me too. It's hard to hear, but she explains that Zack's wife died during a home invasion. She also tells him Michaela wasn't supposed to be home that day, which is creepy because

if you remember correctly, Michaela died on a Thursday the day she typically missed work to care for Cecilia. After this strange exchange, the insurance examiner refocuses his line of questioning. They go over what all happened on the day Zack died, and ask about who Zack was in the eyes of his apparent closest friend. The agent wonders about Zack's likes and dislikes, his relationship to money and even his mental and physical health. At this point, LaRou had entered the room.

He sits, perched on the arm of the couch, almost out of frame on the right side. The insurance examiner asks if Zack ever had trouble with the law. Any conflict with the law? With the pleaser of any hassles? No. I'm usually the one that skips coat-butter-dough, do you need stuff or shouldn't be doing it? Leroux says quote, no, I'm usually the one that gets caught by the law doing stuff I shouldn't be doing. Then he tells about how he was shot when someone tried to rob him at gunpoint. Cecilia backs him up, saying, yeah, they tried to rob him.

Larue doesn't want to say where he was wounded, but Cecilia is a bully about it. She's poking fun at him. They both know the truth. Leroux accidentally shot himself in the groin while preparing the guns for the mire murders. He boasts to the male insurance investigator about how he had defended himself. And how he thought the gun the robbers had was a toy, because get this, his father has tons of big guns. I'm just a guy and he went down to the floor,

and as he went down, I turned around to walk away, because he's down, and he pulled out a gun. I'm used to, my father having massive guns, race 44, Magnum, and that's a massive vulgarity. Luru's father is not in the picture, that's a massive volumetric. Lurus' father is not in the picture, and he hasn't been for years. It's like Lurus living inside a figment

of his own imagination. He goes on about this for like a full minute or two. Cecilia continues to laugh and oddly enough, so does the insurance guy. I guess he's trying to keep some levity in the room. That was pretty good. Yeah, that was actually... Yeah, don't tell your friends there.

No, no, I didn't. I really just feel for Larue in this moment. When he sheepishly says, that was actually bad, as his response to Cecilia making light of a very serious situation. He's legally an adult at this point, 20 years old, and yet you can hear the child in him, the one who is morally abandoned,

and this tall tale of his own bravery sounds to me like a desperate cry for help, or a way out. The subtext here is a big SOS written in the sand, soon to be swept away by the rolling tide. soon to be swept away by the rolling tide. That tide would arrive a bit later in the form of a man, detective Ben Boison. When he was assigned to the case, two months after this interview, he would immediately notice the changes made to Zach's insurance policy just before his death.

The life insurance agent had questions about this, too. The reason why I'm asking about the finances is because this policy was reasonably new. At any start, it's like in November. Zack's policy was purchased in November, just one month before his death. But Cecilia had a defense in her pocket, which was that when Zach left his job at Discovery Life Insurance, he had to start all over purchasing a new policy. That took a while. But it turns out that his account had been delinquent for quite some time. He actually did not buy a single premium. Coincidentally, Cecilia made a payment a few days before the fatal accident to bring

the account current. The insurance investigator attempts to confirm this payment. Then there was a deposit might, a cash deposit might, to bring the policy to you laughing in. She explains her way out of this. She mumbles something vague about Zack's medical bills. His bank was closed, she says, so she deposited the money for him. It was like a bouquet of red flags.

After some shuffling, the interview changes direction again, moving on to the required paperwork. Before a payout can be made, discovery life insurance needs an official police statement confirming that it is, in fact, Zack beneath the charred remains. Now, Dreeze enters the picture. Literally. In the video, he sits close to his wife on the couch. He's practically on top of her.

He's a somewhat large man in a brown t-shirt. The couple explains that they are waiting on a second autopsy and DNA results. They are apparently trying to match DNA with Zack's parents, she says. This is all far from the truth. Then, just as the agent is getting up to go, much like the TV detective Colombo, he says, it's just one more thing. Okay, there's something I'd like to ask you.

This came to Madesca about two, three weeks ago. One of these clients locked the complaint against him. This client claims that he's actually puns his scheme, a pyramid scheme with his clients. They've complained that he took money from there. If that thing wasn't in Zok, it is from Rina. To clarify, she says, if that complaint was on Zack, it's from Rina. Cecilia launches into a rant about someone Zack worked with at Discovery Life who had it out for him.

This person falsely accused him of cheating his clients. All these details will come out in the wash once Detective Ben Boizen comes into the arena. So we'll return to this in a bit. Keep in mind, this video was recorded in May of 2016, a full six months after the car was found with Jared's body inside. In the meantime, EPD resorted again to robbery and murder. Candace's reflection, eight years after Jared's murder, is a reminder of just how cold and calculated Cecilia was. I don't think she thought it all about Jared's life. He was not a person.

He was a means to an inn. I think that is the hardest part of all of us, even how it's been reported. There's been a lack of his humanity. Jared's humanity was lost on EPD, as was that of all the victims. And the majority of the reporting that was done very much focuses on the group, and not on who Jared was. By the time journalists started writing about him, it was also being revealed that

EPD had murdered 10 other people, so individual victims kind of got lost in the mix. But Candace's interview is a solid example of how EPD was destroying lives. Candace's was born two months after her husband's disappearance. At this point, if there was any humanity left, any hope for redemption in the hearts of EPD, Cecilia made sure it was obliterated by their belief in her. What was once a Christian group bent on defeating Satan no longer needed a good reason to kill the innocent, as long as it pleaded Cecilia that was all that mattered. Now they were living in the play. The one where Cecilia plays an invalid, a bereaved friend and a secret queen with loyal soldiers.

Her reality was now their identity. It's incredible the show they put on. I mean Cecilia's monologuing for Candace, forcing tears in front of the woman whose life she just decimated. Miranda's performance at the Moorick and the Funeral home, the two of them in concert leading a search party was Zach's parents. They even held a funeral for him that his family and friends attended and pretended to weep. And then, there's this interview that happened while they were actively planning to murder more innocent people. I mean, it's staggering the lengths to which they would go to feel like they belonged to something larger than themselves.

While the inconsistencies of this insurance fraud would be a sort of linchpin in breaking the case, there would unfortunately be a lot more bloodshed before anyone would set foot in a courtroom. And the citizens of Kruger's Dorp would continue to be terrorized. It was kind of like an attack on my community, like who the hell is out there killing my people? On the next episode of Queen Havoc. When Kevin was murdered, that was the turning point, the first turning point. People thinking there's a serial murderer on the loose,

marching to the police station, and they were demanding actions etc. Sometimes you need to watch what you wish for because it can come true. This man comes, he's in tears and he says to me, Mariska, thank goodness you are here. Now I'm like, how does this man know in my name? That's why he was there when you was arrested.

Queen Havoc in her murder cult is a production of School of Humans and I Heart podcasts. Queen Havoc is hosted and created by me, Kurt Kubicek, produced and written by Jennifer Tachini, Julia Kriskow, and Kurt Kubicek. Lead producer is Julia Kriskow. Story editor is Zaryn Burnett. Senior producer is Amelia Brock. Production manager is Daisy Church. Original music composed by Claire Campbell.

Editing, sound design, and scoring by Jesse Nyzwonger. Additional editing by Miranda Hawkins. Associate producers are Dashin Moodley and Jameen Kricker, additional producing by Ben Melman. Fact checking by Dennis Webster. Recording engineers are Graham Gibson, Clay Hillenberg and Josh Hook. Executive producers are Virginia Prescott, LC Crowley, Brandon Barr, Jennifer Tkini, and Kurt Kubuchek.

We want to thank all of those who so generously welcomed us in South Africa and shared their stories. We're incredibly grateful to you all. We also want to acknowledge how traumatic these events are for the victims and their families. Please respect their privacy. If you or someone you know has been affected by cold behaviors, there are resources available, including voices for dignity at ChristineMurray.com. The True Crime Podcast Sacred Scandal returns for a second season to investigate a led sexual

abuse at Mexico's La Luz del Mundo Mega Church. Journalist Robert Garza explores survivor stories of pure evil experiences at the hands of a self-proclaimed apostle who is now behind bars. I remember as a little girl being groomed to be his concubine, that's how I was raised. It is not wrong if you take your clothes off for the impossible. Listen to Sacred Scandal on the IHR radio app Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. 911, what's your emergency?

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