Rates & Barrels - Early 2020 Mock & Optimal Dynasty League Settings

Episode Date: November 13, 2019

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Welcome to Rates and Barrels, episode number 53. It is the afternoon of Tuesday, November 12, 2019. 53. It is the afternoon of Tuesday, November 12, 2019. On this episode, we will discuss the ongoing pitcher list mock draft that Eno and I are participating in. We will ponder a simple question, is Kyle Gibson good? And discuss a more complicated question, what is the optimal Dynasty League setup? We'll also have prospect of the Week and Beer of the Week selections near the end of the hour. Some very big show-related news to pass along. We are now available on iTunes, Spotify, Stitcher, pretty much anywhere you want to listen to podcasts. If you're enjoying this show on a platform that allows you to leave a rating and review, please take a few moments to do that. We greatly appreciate it. For some of you who are listening to this show for the first time, if you're not already a subscriber

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Eno, happy Tuesday. How's it going for you today? Woo-hoo, Tuesday. That's about as much energy as Tuesday deserves for its existence. It's even worse when it's after, well, was it a long weekend? It was a horribly long weekend for me because I went up to Green Bay for the Packer game, which is fun. It snowed, and the Packers won. It was like a great game experience.

Wow. But it was so slippery on the drive home, and it was an unexpected snowstorm. So I drove up from Milwaukee with my parents and my wife. So you didn't have snow chains in the car? Didn't have snow chains. I had my 2014 honda civic and that thing i i've never felt less in control of a vehicle in my entire life it took three and a half hours to make what is normally a one and a half hour drive took us an hour and a half to

get up there three and a half hours in the dark coming back, white knuckling it the entire time. I was terrified. I legit on multiple occasions thought the back end of the car while I was going down the freeway at like 30 was going to just come out from behind me and I was going to start spinning around. Oh, man. I'm just sitting there. I'm like,

well, if it ends out here, this is going to be a disappointing conclusion to the life of Derek Van Ryper. Oh, man. At least he got that Packer game in before it all ended. There's so many people who would be happy to go out that way, but for me, it'd be like, oh, man. My last breaths would just be like, what a disappointment my life has been. There's so many things I still wanted to do.

The other half of the people on the road would just be like, go, Pack, life has been. There's so many things I still wanted to do. And the other half, the people on the road, would just be like, go, Pat, go! And then they'd be dead. Oh, Lord. But it was kind of like this ongoing pitcher list mock draft we've been doing. I've joked that it's kind of like the Oregon Trail of mock drafts, right? Where it's taking forever. It is ridiculous.

The entire group of drafters could change between the time we started and when we actually finish this thing several years from now. I think it's mostly because it's so damn early. And so we're not in our like fancy baseball shoes you know what i mean like we're not we're not checking box scores every night we're not like there are people taking trips like through the middle of this you know yeah there's actually vacationing happening

for people yeah or even just a weekend trip somewhere so like that that's part of it it's actually totally fine. I'm guilty of slowing things down. I think I was on the clock for the entire time I was driving home from Green Bay on Sunday night. Made a pick at 1 o'clock while I was just staring into the distance in my in-laws living room. Good thing you didn't look at my texts.

Dude, that could have been the thing that just pushed it over the edge. I wasn't near my phone. Oh, 1 over the edge. Like, I wasn't here. Oh, I'm on the clock. Oh. I think I got a text. Let me see who it is. There I go into the night.

I can imagine it. I can imagine. I was once the last plane that was allowed to land in Boston before they shut the airport down. I was the last bus to leave the airport. I don't know this to be true, but I feel like I must have been the last taxi on the road

trying to get to my boarding school. It felt so futile doing it because I'm like, I'm going to get to the school and they're going to be shut down tomorrow because this is a frigging blizzard.

I much rather would have had my flight canceled and still be in Atlanta where it is 75 degrees. And the ground isn't an ice rink. Yeah. But we were definitely, we were on the highway and I was like, sir, are we on the highway?

And then we'd see a big green sign like, oh yeah, we are. Yeah, it's about the right distance away. It's where it normally is. It's over there. I think at one point a green sign came up and we were like, wow, we are way too close to that. Let's aim more for the middle of this big white expanse where yeah it's uh it's an all-timer but uh let's talk about

this mock because it is kind of like building some of the foundational expectations of what 2020 drafts are going to be like uh carrying over one theme from first pitch Arizona. Everyone is clearly worried about where stolen bases are going to come from. And I think last time we spoke a week ago, you had Trey Turner as your first round pick and Chris Sale in the second, and that was about it. I think he had two picks in the book. So we've done okay.

We've made about 10 picks in a week. But obviously prioritizing speed is something that a lot of people want to do. Now that we're 13 rounds in, it's a 12-team draft. It's a little bit of a different format. There are fewer hitter spots in this draft than most. There's no corner. There's no middle. There's only one catcher spot. There are two utilities, and there's only three outfielders. But as you put it together, have you felt like with Turner as the first pick, you found enough speed to go with him to accomplish what you wanted to accomplish? I do, but at what cost? I mean, I was looking at Turner versus Lindor. You took Lindor for the next pick and I got that speed, but I got that speed at shortstop,

which is the deepest position maybe in baseball this year. Shortstop is loaded. I mean, I just took Corey Seager five minutes ago before we started at pick 151. And, yeah, he doesn't steal bases, so he's a quote-unquote flawed player in the current game with everyone chasing speed but it's a heck of a discount for a guy that used to go in the first 30 to 40 picks of pretty much any draft yeah so so i took turner and that that that locked up the deepest position for me which there have been a couple times i've been like oh i would you know i might take a short stop here but i'm not going

to because there's no mi position or whatever so you know okay so i've got steals i take bryce harper um you know in the third round over uh starling marty um is that right yeah over starling marty um and uh you know a and Aaron Judge may be wrong, but I like the fact that Harper's going to give me those 15 steals, so I'm still kind of on that steals tip. I take Manny Machado on the way back because I'm going to get another 7 to 10 steals from him. And then I panic, being like, wow, I prioritized speed.

Do I have enough power? And Stanton fell to me in the fifth. Now, when I had those five, I went out on Twitter and said, hey, this is what I got. I got Turner, Sale, Harper, Machado, Stanton. And the answer was risk, you know? And I can't say that they're wrong, but I would say that in a 12-team, three-outfield, no-MICI type league, I have a different feeling about risk maybe than I do in other leagues.

In this league, the waiver wire is going to be pretty tasty. Yes, and I think if you just had to make a chart, like how much injury risk are you willing to take on relative to league size you're absolutely right like you're going to be way more aggressive with players that might have had soft tissue problems in multiple seasons i mean turner for as great as he is as a what has become a perennial first round pick i think for the last three seasons has missed a lot of time but how fluky is it to get hit by a pitch, right? I mean, Stanton's got some of that too, where it's a little bit soft tissue kind of stuff you worry about, but it's also an extra pile of injuries that are totally random that he's had

to deal with. And he's had full seasons. It's not like he hasn't. So, you know, I feel like it was a risk worth taking. In the projections, he's projected for 52 homers. And if you kind of think of a 12-team head-to-head league like this, you almost want to think about category winners, right? And to me, Turner wasn't necessarily by himself a stolen base category winner,

but he put me on the way to winning stolen bases. And Sale wasn't going to win me strikeouts, but he put me on the way to winning strikeouts. And Stanton wasn't going to win me homers, but hey, Turner, Harper, Machado, Stanton, I don't think I'm behind people on home runs. What I'm surprised about was I don't have enough steals yet. So later on, I took Real Muto.

And I felt even in the 13th round, I had to take Lorenzo Cain. And I recently added it all up. And I think I'm still short of 100 projected steals, which is where I'd want to be to feel comfortable. I wouldn't even feel like I'm winning steals. That's how bad steals has gotten. still short of 100 projected steals, which is where I'd want to be to feel comfortable. I wouldn't even feel like I'm winning steals. That's how bad steals has gotten. And I, you know, I did it. I did it without I didn't do any zero power guys. But I did really think about steals. And this is where I'm at middle of the pack or slightly ahead of the pack. I'm at middle of the pack or slightly ahead of the pack.

And, you know, I've made some concessions. My biggest power hitter is a super injury risk in Stanton. My staff might be behind some people's staff because I got Sale, Bauer, Paxton, Hendricks, and Freed. There's definitely people who have better staffs. And my number one closer is liam hendricks so i've definitely made some concessions along the way while sort of trying to go after speed uh and yet i still don't know that i i'm number one in speed right now you still got a few good cracks at it though because i don't think malik smith has even been drafted yet and

he's probably a top five player in the category if he doesn't play his way out of playing time. That's just what he's going to do so long as he plays. Luis Robert has a pretty meaty steamer projection. Yeah, I was considering Robert against Kane and probably should have taken Robert. There's a side thing that I was talking to you about. It's funny. Industry mock drafts are funny because, you know, I could have had Jesus Lizardo over Kane. I just thought for my team, you know, I've got, I've only got Harper and probably

Stanton. Stanton counts as a DH here, but I think he's an outfielder. So I've got Harper and Stanton. I probably should have another outfielder. And Jesus Lizardo may not finish the season or may not have 200 innings in him, and I already took Chris Sale. So I kind of felt like my next guy should maybe be more bulk and maybe Lizardo makes it back to me. But maybe I should have just taken Lizardo

so that he's back to me. But maybe I should have just taken Lizardo so that, you know, he's associated with me. I think you'll have more chances for that. You know, Eno loves Lizardo, which they already know that Eno loves Lizardo. I don't need to do that. But it is something

that people think about. And taking Luis Robert there, Robert, would have been a little bit more of an industry move like, hey, you know, this is how early you can take him. And, you know, I love him and so should you. But I just thought Kane, very high likelihood to me having a solid season, sort of 20, 280, 15, 15, closing in on 2020. That's exactly what I needed. I wanted to help my batting average. And I got Max Fried on the way back. And Max Fried has a really nice projection, a 390 ERA with a strikeout per inning.

And I think he figured some stuff out last year. And he's going to have more bulk than Jesus Lizardo. So I don't feel too bad about the decisions I made, but it is interesting to think about the meta game, the analyst versus analyst game, and what the role of an early mock is. But that's where I'm at right now. I mean, you could look at a mock a few ways.

You can try and see if you end up leading the league in Twitter likes, which in that case, yeah, Lizardo might have been the way to get there. Or you can look at it as an exercise in what happens if I take steals here? What do I get in terms of upside pitching later? And then next time you go through it, say, okay, I will take Lizardo in that spot. But what happens to the 20, 25 bags that I'm looking for? Can I actually find those from a player that I actually trust? Yeah, yeah. And to me, this was – I tried to do an exercise, and I don't normally think about steals.

I kind of take – I always try to take combo guys early. to take combo guys early and you know um errol cohen had a good piece on pangraphs about uh combo guys having the highest uh floor having the lowest bust rates and the best outcomes basically and when i say combo guy a guy who has power and speed um and so you know early on i try to get the guys that are combo guys and then later on i try to get guys with five stolen bases instead of zero um and i usually end up with something like guys with five stolen bases instead of zero and i usually end up with something like 80 stolen bases and points in the category and i never i never do well in steals but this one i wanted to say hey i want to do well in steals also the six pick comes right outside the top five which are kind of consensus five so when you're when i was looking at the sixth pick, it was Turner, Lindor, Arnado, Story, Bregman, Soto.

They're all good players, but Turner was the most interesting to me because of that 40 steal potential. Yeah, I've been there many, many times, so I have no pushback on that pick whatsoever. on that pick whatsoever. I think what I've found to be a bit of a challenge is figuring out when I wanted to go after my SP2, SP3s because I am clearly higher than the field on Brandon Woodruff to this point. So playing the game of chicken with him and then trying to figure out,

okay, since it's still November, where do I really want to take Zach Wheeler, not knowing where he's pitching in 2020? Those were two pretty difficult questions for me to wrestle with. It fell into place. I got Woodruff in the eighth round, Wheeler in the ninth. That was behind Walker Bueller in the second. So I feel like my starting pitching is in pretty good shape. But I did get caught behind the first closer run.

Ken Giles was still there in round 12. I felt like that was okay. I know there's a good chance that he's going to get traded, if not this winter, probably between now and the trade deadline in July. But we went through this with Will Smith last year, and it just didn't happen. And even if it did, you had a four- month run where Will Smith was a really good closer. I think Ken Giles can fit that description for four months in 2020 and in the 12th round. I'm okay with that.

If I have to go chase some saves late, I'll be okay. You're a little bastard. Cause I was looking at Liam Hendricks versus Frankie Montas and Ken Giles was my backup plan. Hmm. So I wonder, there's a world where I take Frankie Montas

and you take Liam Hendricks. There's definitely a world where... Or you take Raizel Iglesias or Brad Hand. I wouldn't have taken Iglesias. If you had taken Montas there, I think I like Taylor Rodgers a little more than Liam Hendricks.

So I probably would have gone Rodgers in that spot, and maybe Clay, who ended up getting Rodgers at the end of that round, would have ended up with Hendricks. I like Hendricks, but I don't get it, because one of the reasons I like Hendricks better than Rodgers is the velocity factor. But where the hell did this velocity come from? Yeah. He was at like 96.8 this last season.

I don't even know if there's a good way to study something like that where you get this like later than expected surge in velocity how sustainable could that be and if it's an outlier it might be sustainable even if the data says it usually isn't like there's there's this sort of uh this sort of problem you have to wrestle with i mean he was so mediocre for so long and then he was amazing if and in the era of player development like how how often is there just like a mechanical thing that he had to iron out that he would that he hadn't he hadn't done and everybody else had you know yeah i give the a's credit for sticking with them as long as they did i mean they really saw it through as far as getting him they released that point but they they knew something was there they kept giving him those chances right i don't i don't know he's he's a player that one hurt actually i would rather

have montas on my team than hendrix but i i was just getting to the point where i was like i need to take a closer because you know people there was like four closers off the board i wanted to get one that was sort of top half and the bottom half of closers right now is like almost irrelevant like what like that we haven't even done free agency yeah there's a lot of jobs to be settled still yeah i i can't i i have no idea what'm going to do for my other two reliever spots. I might just wait till the end and just throw two darts. I don't know. I mean, I've got a couple names in mind, but I'm not ready to take them quite yet.

So I'll probably wait it out for another round or two at least before I take my chances as we kind of roll through this. A few other observations, though, just about where some early and middle round players are going. Chris Bryant was there when I made my pick in the fourth round. And when I put the first seven or eight picks I made out on Twitter, he was the player that kind of received the most question marks. People said, really, Bryant? I like everything he did except for Bryant. And I got to ask, what do you think has really happened to Chris Bryant?

I mean, the shoulder was a problem at the beginning of the season, maybe. I mean, it was a clear issue for him in 2018. But I thought this looked a lot like a typical Chris Bryant season. I mean, 31 homers, a 282 average, over 100 runs scored. He's still drawing walks. He wasn't striking out any more than he did in 2018. Still hitting the ball in the air a lot. Is it just that Chris Bryant's become this player with expectations that are so ridiculously high that he's going to fall a bit short of those more often than not? I think it's the ball.

I think, you know, him and, like, because I got Manny Machado right before him, and Machado's batting average is a little bit down, but he still hit 32 homers, stole five bases. And I think the problem is that everybody else did more. You know, they did the same thing they've been doing, but they didn't do the more. Maybe. Maybe that's all it is.

I just, one person pointed out that Bryant's exit velocity numbers are a bit low, but he's never been way up in that. He's at 87.4 for 2019. He was down at 85.8 in 2018. He was at 87.1 back in 2017, and I think the highest we saw was the first season, 2015, 89.6. But he struck out more then. He's putting a lot more balls in play now.

So I think that's part of where some of that exit velo may have gone. I think the barrel rates being steady is good, and I wouldn't be surprised at all if he had a better exit velocity number next year. wouldn't be surprised at all if he had a better exit velocity number next year um i bet you i think it was still hurting him at the beginning of the of the of this season and that uh you know it was doing better later on in the season so i would uh i would i would bet on bryant being a little better next year depending of, on what the ball does. Yeah, the ball...

Whatever. I mean, if the ball goes back to being the typical ball, I think Bryant's the kind of player who has shown in the past, like, he can be not necessarily a five-category guy, but what I would call a four-and-a-half-category guy. Runs a little, piles up a good runs

scored count, based on where he hits in that order, drives in a good number of runs, and has real power. He didn't have power that was only propped up by the live ball. He had power before that, and I think it's still there. Yeah. Yeah. I'm not that...

I... I have Harper Machado Stanton in the middle of mine, and you've got Bryant there, and I feel like there is a class. Eugenio Suarez went to Steve Gardner in the fifth round. There is a class of player that has bored. Anthony Rizzo went in the fifth round. That's bored,

bored people. The big, the big power guy that just piles up runs and RBIs and maybe hits for a good average. But for most of these, a lot of these guys, there's good batting average. So it's,

they're not there. And you said a hundred runs. So it's like people think of them as sort of one dimensional, but they're not. And with power up everywhere, they don't stand out as much, but they're still really good sort of third, fourth-round picks. And this is the type of player that you are missing out on when you try to take two aces.

Yeah, that's true. Just getting the bankable floor with your hitters. Yeah, that's true. Just getting the bankable floor with your hitters. But I keep thinking about this overall pursuit of speed early, and I can't help but wonder if the better play is to kind of say, you know what, I will find my steals later. I will try to dig those bags up. And the natural follow-up question is, okay, fine, you're going to do that,

but are you comfortable with Victor Robles being your first guy who runs a lot, maybe in the sixth or in this case, he went in the seventh round to Paul Sporer? I mean, are you going to be okay with tucking in guys like Ramon Laureano or Yasiel Puig? Are you going to be okay getting 10, 15, 20 bags from several players in those middle rounds. Is that going to be enough? I would argue it can be. You can build a team that way.

It can be done. Yeah, but then, I mean, that's what the Ariel Cohen piece is about. There's a lot more risk in a Malik Smith than there is in who's a combo guy. I mean, like a Bryce Harper or a Starlin Marte, you know? Because Malik Smith last year had a zero war on Pangrounds. Right, the playing time can just bottom out for players like that. Just go away. Just go away.

You know, then you got Jonathan Villar, who in ours was a third rounder. I'm going down the list of stolen bases. Acuna, Turner, Elvis Andrews is safe. So you could build a team with Andrews and Robles later on. That would give you 60 steals and get you most of the way there. That's not bad. Colton Wong, who I just traded for, had 24 steals and was 10th in the league. If you recalibrate and think of 20 steals as actually a boon,

like a very good thing and not just like a guy who has a few steals, then you can make it happen, I guess. I just feel like a lot of those players, let's see, which players I think have a very low floor. I would say Smith at the top. Shinsu Chu had 15 steals. I feel like his floor is low. Lurie Garcia, 15 steals. His floor is low. Kevin Newman, who I like and think can give you Anderton Simmons-type offensive stats, could also be a backup at this time next year. It's possible.

Yeah, so what I'm looking for, though, as you get to that 150 range, I think you mentioned Andrews, he's still available. Wong, he's still available. Byron Buxton, still available. Yeah, Buxton I looked at for a long time over Lorenzo Cain, for sure. Am I wrong for thinking that Byron Buxton over Luis Robert is a slam dunk? Because the thing about Byron Buxton that makes him different than a lot of the

low war players we're talking about is that he's a premium defender. Yes, he has a gross injury history it is very frustrating but if you get a healthy Byron Buxton you are getting a player who will play a lot because they want his glove in the lineup like there's a drawback maybe with where he hits in the batting order but if you need cheap speed you're outside the top 150 and Byron Buxton is still there, I'm willing to go down that path again. Yeah. I

maybe should have taken Buxton over Kane where I did. I'd be taking the upside. It would be really low in the draft to take Buxton. You mitigate it. I guess I just had a little bit of that risk, the people talking about risk in my ear,

so I thought I'd take a slightly more sure thing for next year. But yeah, I can see it. I can see it. But my retort is basically, look at the combo guys and tell me these guys, you don't want these guys.

Acuna, Turner, Yellich, Pham, Starling Marte, Jose Ramirez, Francis Goulendor like you want those guys you do but I think if you miss out like either because it's a draft and things just don't fall the right way or you feel like you're getting really good value on other players in the early rounds, there are paths to getting the bags you need. I mean, Ahmed Rosario is still out there. How is he still available? I just took Corey Seager ahead of him because I think Corey Seager is a better hitter. But looking at the makeup of my team, that might be the kind of thing I do differently, even though I think Seager is undervalued based on the needs of where I'm at right now. I think I needed those bags more than

I needed to get the higher floor player in Seager. I mean, you have probably'm at right now. I think I needed those bags more than I needed to get the higher floor player in Seager. I mean, you have probably 50 bags right now? Yeah. I'm definitely speed light, so I'm going to have to go ahead and take a few of these guys to round it out. So we just did your homework.

Oh, I see. Yeah. I was using you to figure out what you wanted, so I make sure I get what you want before your next turn comes up, since I picked before you. Yeah. I think the other observation I had out of this draft

was second base is actually a little bit scarce. There was a run. Keston Hura, I was kind of... I was not really thinking about positions yet um in the seven in the sixth round and after I took Trevor Bauer I kind of looked around was like oh crap there's only like two second baseman I want left and they went Max Muncy and then oh no they went Max Muncy, Whit Merrifield, and Keston Hura and then I was like wait there's not a single second baseman I want after this not for many

rounds right so identified to myself you know Gavin Lux and some of you still off the board I forget who was oh Nick Solak in Texas

and Garrett Hampson who just got picked in the 13th round. I had some backup plans, but I still want somebody better than that. So I got lucky that Mike Moustakas was listed as a third baseman. I think people didn't realize he was a second baseman. And I got him in the 10th round. But that was

the 12th second baseman, basically, taken. I was the last person to get a second baseman. And I think that says there's a little bit of scarcity there. There, no other position, uh, is getting scarce like that. There's a little bit of scarcity maybe at the back end of

outfields. If you're in a sort of five, uh, 15 team, five outfield situation, because there's more and more platoons in the outfield. Uh, but second base is, uh, I mean, Mike was boxes is fine. So if you're in a 12 team league that's not really what you would call scarce you know I got Mike Moustakis and that's maybe one of the worst second baseman on the list but the fact that

the 13th taken second baseman was Brandon Lau and the 14th was Garrett Hampson does say something about scarcity yeah there's some pretty mediocre players that are going to end up filling middle infield spots. I think shortstop's really deep, so that offsets it a little bit. But I think part of what's changed at second base, you had some guys that were perennial earlier round picks. Robinson Cano, Brian Dozier.

Those guys have just aged to the point now where they're not as reliable as they used to be. We have a few players that have popped up to take that place. I mean, Glaber Torres, I think, has capably taken that spot. Mankata, I think, lost second base eligibility. So that's another player out of the pool. It's just kind of the ebbs and flows of what's happening there. Keston Hero, real quick, since you brought him up, looking at his steamer projection, 270, 330, 495, 29 homers, 13 steals. It's only a 110

WRC+, which puts him about 10th or so among second basemen on this particular list, but that's basically Gleyber Torres' projection, and Gleyber Torres went three rounds, four rounds earlier than Hira in this particular draft. Yeah, I like the Hira one, and I had on my board Hira or Real Muto. I picked Real Muto because, again, in this 12-team shallow-type league, I wanted to get as close to the best player at every position as I could, and I thought waiting until the seventh round to take the best catcher felt fine. Let's move on from this mock.

I'm sure we'll have a little more as we put the bottom half of the rosters together. We had a mailbag question come in from Dave, who is a Twins fan, and he writes, he suffered through many excruciating plate appearances where Kyle Gibson seemed to question whether or not Kyle Gibson's actually good. As a Twins fan who watched Kyle Gibson a lot, Dave's not sure, but now he's starting to wonder as he reads more analysis, is Kyle Gibson actually good? What do you think of Kyle Gibson, Eno?

Eno? I think Paul Spohr and I had some disagreements about this on our old podcast together. I think I understand the theory that he's not good because none of his pitches by themselves are amazing. There's no real above average VLO. He's basically got average VLO, average ride, average sink on the sinker. The change up is slightly better than average. The slider plays well. And the curve, I would say, is just basically an average pitch, maybe slightly better than average. He's kind of a kitchen sink type guy. And I think that's why teams like him. Because when you think about pitchers that age well,

I think what you see is command and number of pitches really stands out. It's hard to think of a Luis Severino type that made it to 40 as an ace even Randy Johnson when I asked Randy Johnson how did you get here I I expected him to say you know I manipulated the slider I figured out how to back foot it or whatever and he said the split finger I couldn't do anything until I had that split finger. Smoltz had a similar path. So when you have a guy with a lot of pitches, as their fastball gets worse,

they have more options and more things to do with those fastballs. So I think that's why people like him. And on the third hand, I just feel like we saw Kyle Gibson's best. And we are not major league teams. We are fancy teams. So we saw Kyle Gibson's best in 2018 when he had a 3-6-2 ERA, a 1-30 whip, and nearly a strikeout per inning.

I think that's his best. strikeout per inning. I think that's his best. And so for us, that's not enough to sort of chase after. I think there's probably also this unmet expectation though, because Kyle Gibson was supposed to be a game changing prospect, not an elite of the elite, you know, Forrest Whitley type guy that was at the absolute top of prospect list among pitchers, but he came into the Twins organization with very high expectations, and those expectations have largely been unmet, even though over the course of seven big league seasons, he returned 13 wins above replacement.

Somehow that's a disappointment to people because it's about two wins above replacement per year. Those pitchers, they just seem relatively easy to find. They're the guys that aren't always trusted to go through the third time through the order. They're not the guys that you want taking the ball in October.

They're the guys who in any given year pop. The guys who pop up one year and are gone the next year. I mean, that's what Kyle gives us a five year, a five year, a three, you know,

and I, I don't see untapped potential. Like I see with Zach Wheeler, you know what I mean? Oh, Wheeler. I mean, we talked about him last week.

He, I think, as I said, then does everything you're looking for from a potential ace. You can, you can talk yourself into zach wheeler at least approaching the performances of garrett cole over the next four years he could at least get in that neighborhood with the raw stuff that he has yeah and and there's a a slightly obvious fix which is that he doesn't really throw his foreseam high in the zone.

So maybe he can't. There's definitely pitchers who cannot command to certain parts of the zone. So it's not like, that's why I'm a little bit nervous about giving Wheeler $70 million and thinking, we'll just teach him to throw high in the zone. What if he can't? It's not, there's mechanics, there's what people have been throwing to their whole lives. Maybe Wheeler can't throw high in the zone what if he can't you know it's not like there's mechanics there's there's what people

have been throwing to their whole lives and maybe maybe wheeler can't throw high in the zone but at least with wheeler uh the stuff is there uh the track record is better than gibson's and um and there's like a an obvious thing that he could do to maybe get better with gibson i feel like he did that thing already and had that season and so the best you can do is have like a version of that season that's like two years older so when i see his projections 404 era 134 whip you know 8.6 strikeouts per nine i'm like yeah sure sure he might actually be fairly likely to hit that projection maybe more likely than other pitchers but it's also a very boring projection. And it's not very interesting to me to shoot for that projection in most leagues, maybe in an AL only.

that just need enough good starters to be in contention, he fits there. But he's not the guy that you go all in for in free agency because you think he's going to put you over the top. I think people know that about Kyle Gibson at this point. But the short answer is you don't see anything in Kyle Gibson that would make it worth going the extra year for him if you were running a major league team. Only the fact that he's got

he's on the list that, this is how I would put it, he's on the same list as Hyunjin Ryu and Tanner Roark. Multiple pitches, command, but which one is he? I he's more row arc that's that's kind of just the the read that i would make and yeah when those guys are good they're they're pretty good and usually they're just kind of okay yeah i'd be more interested in like the a's being like we'll give you one and ten 10 or something. I'd be less interested in giving Gibson 3 and 45. Yeah, I would not want to make that offer if I were running a team.

Thanks a lot for the question, Dave. We've got another question this week from James. It's a pretty broad question. He writes, after years of playing fantasy baseball and finally taking the plunge into Dynasty fantasy baseball, I'm starting a dynasty league. And the website I'm using, Fantrax, has quite a selection of possible scoring categories. What scoring categories would you recommend for a dynasty league starting from scratch? And which includes both analytics-minded managers and traditional stat managers.

He's trying to limit the categories to a total of 12. So, we'll start with the category aspect. Is there anything in a dynasty league that you would do differently than just a redraft league, categorically speaking? I mean, this is another version of the, like,

you know, what kind of categories you want right yeah a little bit more advanced because it's not just you know what categories you want but also how do you want to manage the keeper situation and my first league that I ever started that was a quote-unquote dynasty or whatever, I still have it. I think it's 14 years old or something. I've won it seven or eight times. We started out with 10 keepers, and then we added three keepers a year until we kept the whole roster. And we also had a minor league roster of 10 minor leaguers you could keep year to year.

The problem with that idea is that we had to keep Google spreadsheets and we still do. And we have to keep we have to kind of stay on top of, you know, whether that guy's still a prospect or not. We have rules about that. We yell at each other. We have a waiver process for a minor leaguer that comes up and uses up his eligibility. So that has, in some ways, been a pain in my butt. And over time, I prefer just a straight roster. And I actually feel this way about DLs too.

Instead of having a DL slot, add just another regular slot. And I want an uncomplicated process. And I think my favorite league right now is Devil's Rejects. You guys hear me talk about it all the time. It's 45 roster spots during the season. You've got to trim it down to 28. It doesn't matter who's in there. The 28 can be anything.

You could keep 28 prospects if you wanted. And I like that because it just allows you, what you want, I think, out of a league are different ways to win. I don't want to be in a league where there's only one way to win. So you keep the roster rules low, and you kind of make it an open, it's not an open market, but you make it as open as possible. You'll find that some people fade prospects and only have old guys on their roster.

Or some people are perpetually rebuilding. Or there's some people who do a little bit of both. That way you foster ingenuity and you keep more people interested, more different types of people interested in the same league. And you keep more people interested, more different types of people interested in the same league. And I think from a categorical standpoint, I would say OBP over average,

if you want to make a swap there, I'm okay with that. That can make it a little better. Because I think when you're evaluating players in the long run, you do want to make it a little bit more like real baseball. There's still flaws in a 5x5 league that are inevitable with older stats, but OBP over average is the hitter change I would make, and we've talked about innings pitched

as opposed to wins or quality starts or any sort of formula that uses those two. I would probably go with the innings pitched route for the fifth pitching category, but keep it standard 5x5 otherwise. I still think that's a great way to play. My favorite dynasty league is the Roto-Wire Dynasty Invitational.

It's probably similar to Devil's Rejects. I think the cap on keepers, though, is 35. We get a five-man draft every winter to round out our 40-man roster. They did make a switch in that league when it was launched to get rid of a second catcher spot and add a second utility spot instead. So it's 14 hitters, but two utilities instead of two catchers. I like that change a lot. And you can.

You can do pretty much anything you want with those roster spots. Don't do two catchers. Not in a dynasty league. It's hard enough to find one decent catcher. It's a better challenge for everybody in any league. Redraft, keeper, dynasty. It's a better challenge for everybody in any league. Redraft, Keeper, Dynasty. It doesn't matter the format. It is a better challenge to find the

most valuable extra hitter in the pool than it is to find a little bit of surplus value in the catcher spot. Yeah. It's that easy. But yeah, I'm in favor of keeping most, if not all, of the roster. I think trimming as few players as possible is good.

Because you can still have the draft. If you like drafts, you can still have the draft process. But what I've done in my basketball league, it's a dynasty. We have a draft. You just drop a player to pick up a player. You know? And yeah, that's what I like. This one, you know, cutting from 45 to 28,

it does increase the amount of two-for-ones that you get from other people. And that can be annoying, you know? Like everyone, like there's a trade block update in the offseason and everyone says, looking to consolidate. Yeah, no shit. We're all looking to consolidate yeah no shit we're all looking to consolidate but uh yeah i would recommend not keeping a separate minor league roster it just ends up

being a real pain in the butt um so putting throwing them all up into the same most most uh you know auto new is probably one of my favorite line uh setups too and that has the same thing where you have a 40 man roster you can keep every single one of the 40 if you want uh the difference that auto new has and this is i think is interesting is inflation built into the system i don't need to explain it all here right now, but basically your players get more expensive. And the reason I like that is that it's harder to have a dominant run where one team figures out a way to put Trout and Acuna on the same team and just wins for five straight years. And it's also more realistic. If that's what you're looking for is

realism, auto-new has that function where your players are getting more expensive and you have to trade a player just because he's gotten too expensive. Yeah, I kind of want to play auto-new. Sounds awesome. I haven't played it yet. Yeah, and it's really cool

because you have all these prospects in the system and you have all these major league players and you make trades that really approximate major league trades where it takes a elite talent elite prospect to pry even a rental through you have to have a pretty good prospect uh even to get a rental for the for the stretch run um you know young a young major leaguer you $5 is gold. And you have one budget. You have this $400 budget for a 40-man roster. That seems very much like real life.

So those are my two favorite formats. And there's one thing running through both of them, which is put everybody on the roster and make them figure it out after that. Thanks a lot for the question, James. I like the idea of a league having some built-in but realistic mechanisms that keep things from becoming totally lopsided. It's still a challenge for the best players that can't be solved by doing something like you said, ending up with the two best players in the pool,

crushing somebody in a trade who's maybe not as sharp as some of their owners, that kind of stuff happens and keeper and dynasty leagues. And it usually is the first thing that ruins long-term leagues is having rosters that become so imbalanced that there's not really a path for most teams to even make a run at cashing in a given year. Yeah. And,

and things that we've discussed, I think the last thing that you want to think about is the, if there is a draft, the, and the role of the draft, um, in, in, in tanking in the role of the draft, you have to think about, uh, who gets the number one pick. It's very important every given year, there's probably one or two, even of any depth, there's one or two players at the top of the draft that everybody wants. And so the number one pick, if it always automatically goes to the very last team, you're going to have, you know, three, four, five teams that are not, that are not, um, fielding full rosters because they're, they're racing to the bottom, you'll get tanking. And so people have done things like second half, uh, tournaments,

whoever wins the second half tournament, uh, has the best record in the second half, gets the first pick the first pick um you know there's ups and downs with each of those but those are the things you got to think about uh also on top of that is who gets the first pick in the restocking draft yeah rdi does i think it's the bottom 10 out of the 20 teams if you're 11th through 20th you go into a lottery and depending on how high up you are, you get more ping pong balls for being higher up. Yeah, it rewards you for putting more effort in. So you can have a system that goes that route too. Let's talk about our prospect of the week selection. It's been a quiet week in terms of transactions. Usually prospect of the week for me this time of year is like, hey, who's this guy that just got traded? But that hasn't happened

in a week, so I'll defer to you first. Who is your prospect of the week selection? Oh, well, I had a transaction, a virtual one, and it was in Devil's Rejects, so it seems relevant here. And that transaction,

I don't know, you had it all lined up. Buffering. Where did it go? Here it is. Ruben's Ruben. That's us. That's me and James Anderson. Acquired Colton Wong and Trevor Bauer from Pagan Rituals. That's Scott Gilroy.

And Pagan Rituals acquired Tyler Freeman, Jairo Pamares, George Kirby, and Michael Toglia from Rubens Rubens. So, Tyler Freeman, you've heard us talk about. That was very hard for us to give up. Tyler Freeman is a shortstop in the Indians organization that does something that me and James Anderson like a lot, which is has shown a batted ball mix that could be conducive to power while also making a ton of contact. There are some things he has in common with Mookie Betts on the way up maybe not the same athlete

in terms of stolen bases and observed power but there was a lot to like there and he's still only 20 and in high a so if next year he has even like a 160 or 170 iso he's gonna zoom up prospect list so good time for gilroy to go get him george kirby is in the he was a first round pick uh in this last draft for the mariners but he came out of college so he's a 21 year old fairly polished did not walk a guy in 23 innings in his debut and struck out a ton of guys. So he's part of that Mariner's philosophy of give me command and I'll build the rest of it. And I think he could fly through that system. Michael Toglia is a first base slash center fielder. Depends on where you look, but he played first base, first place in the Rockies

organization. That's always super interesting as a college guy, 21. He might fly through the system. There's really nothing too bad to say about him except that he struck out 26% of the time in low A, and we don't know which way that strikeout rate's going to go. And Fangraphs put a 40 future value on him. But sometimes Fangraphs is going to miss on fantasy prospects because they are not ranking them for fantasy futures. And so they, you know, with Jordan Alvarez and Michael Toglia, they're going to put in the fact that, you know, they don't have that much defensive value

and they have a huge bar to overcome to become you know a dh or first base type you have to be a really good hitter to be able to do that so that's why they have a 40 future value but i wanted to talk a little bit about jairo pomarez because i'm not sure that people know a lot about him but he's a 19 year old lefty batting outfielder in the Giants organization and he also has a good ground ball fly ball mix and a 16% strikeout rate in rookie ball he's far away but he's got hit tool uh nation power and some legs so uh you, depending on what he does next year, he could, he could rise up on a list.

So all these guys are not quite top one hundreds right now, but, uh, some point next season, he could have two or three top 100 guys. So let's, uh, let's go into more of like a high end prospect for my selection.

You mentioned this guy before we started recording. And I think he's, he's worth bringing up again because he's still obviously prospect eligible high up on most lists and it's carter key boom and i want to ask you this is is he the kind of player if he hadn't debuted briefly early in the season for 11 games he'd actually be held in higher regard like yeah being a top 20 prospect even still is is being held in pretty high regard but i almost wonder if he did a disproportionate amount of damage to his perception of what he's going to be by having that 11 game run where he struck out a lot and made a bunch of defensive

mistakes because he had a good year like a really good year at triple a we're talking 303, 409, 493 for the slash line, 16 homers in 109 games. He was a 21-year-old at AAA for most of the season, and that's 23% better than league average. And I think he's going to have a place to play because second base is kind of wide open now for the Nationals. So where are you at with Carter Keboom, an obvious sort of buy now sort of player in long-term leagues and is he someone you're interested in redraft formats as well yeah i actually think he's a decent buy low elite prospect if that if that's uh possible there are going to be owners where that aren't fooled by this and and into it and won't trade him. But I think there'll be some that are worried.

A 37% strikeout rate. And to be fair, that has factored into the projection going forward. So his projection has changed. His strikeout rate projection is higher than it used to be. And even the 23% better than league average in AAA, that means that now in AA and AAA, you know, he's been more sort of like a above average player, whereas in A ball, he was putting up 50% better than league average type numbers. So there has been some shine that's come off as he's come up in levels. But the other thing

I can tell you is that he's had struggles at other levels before the first time he saw them. And every time he repeated, he got better. That's supposed to happen. But that also says a lot about what he'll do the next time he gets a chance in the pros and major league baseball. So I think that you look at this projection and you don't necessarily want to use projections too hard, but there's a lot of track record here. There's a lot of data here. It's not somebody you're trying to project off of a season or two. He's a guy who could hit.260 with 20 homers and five stolen bases.

I still see that in him. He's going to have a good OBP, so the team will be into him. I think the defense should be good if he's at second base. So I think this is still kind of like a three-win player type guy and maybe not a star. So Joe Adele will still continue to be ranked above him because his upside is better than key booms but uh yeah i i think that if he didn't play last year key boom would be kind of like a top 10 prospect coming into the season yeah i saw a slight drop because of what happened in that brief time with the nationals but i mean looking at the tools grades at fan graphs and comparing carter key boom to bo bichette and

there's almost no difference between them like bo Bichette, I think, has a little more projection with his hit tool, a 60 as opposed to a future 55 for Keeboom. And hit tools are super, super important. But power, speed, arm, future value, they're the same guy. That's a pretty big deal. Bichette's a little younger, but I still think Carter Keboom has a very bright future. He's the kind of guy, middle infield depth. We talked about shortstop being a deep position.

He's probably going to pick up second base eligibility a week or two into the 2020 season. He might be the kind of guy that starts to add depth at the Keystone at a very discounted price this draft season. Yeah, and where you might find the ability to pry him loose is if there's a rebuilding team that has Keyboom, but they're not ready to go with the rest of the team, you know what I mean? You might be able to pry him loose because that owner knows that the ceiling has come down on Keyboom and that he's going to be in the major leagues

next year probably right and that other owner may have may want a higher ceiling guy that's a little bit further away that fits his his roster so i know that's a very specific thing but it's a totally thing that could happen you know like i'm you know i'm looking in my league for that situation. Yeah. Remember in one of the dynasty leagues I'm in, getting some offers where Kyle Tucker was in bundles that were being shopped this time last year. And I realized you had to wait a lot longer than you wanted to in 2019.

Didn't really get that payoff this past season. But he's in that kind of weird spot where owners and keeper leagues might be a little bit rattled by what happened this season. Let's move on to our Beer of the Week segment. Eno, I think you have a live selection too. I've always liked that

when you got one to crack open. There we go. Oops. Barely have a cup ready. Here we go oops barely have a cup right here we go all right hard pour oh stop stop stop stop stop good save i had to go in there. That's not as sweet as I expected. That's good.

I got a Neapolitan stout from Bottle Logic in Wanakee. Wanakee, Wisconsin. It's got to be the second Wanakee mentioned now in the history of this podcast. What was the first? I mentioned Untitled Art as a brewery

that partners up with other breweries. Oh, so it's Untitled Art from Wanakee? Yeah, so a quick back story. Bottle Logic might actually be from California then. Yes, Bottle Logic is a brewery in Anaheim. And what happens is breweries from all over the country work with Untitled Art, which is part of Octopi, out of Wisconsin in part because brewing beer in Wisconsin, it's like the cheapest place in America to brew beer. So you can send recipes there or collaborate and you get a product and it goes

all over the place and then and they have this these cool labels so uh one of the reasons i got it so it's a neapolitan stout so you've got the uh what is it the what's the what's the pink color cherry strawberry strawberry strawberry vanilla and chocolate oh my god i think i just showed my german roots there um yes i i haven't had i didn't have a lot of neapolitan ice cream as a kid also my mom did not let me have dessert can you believe that wow that's cold anyway i get to drink my dessert now it's um it's it's not that sweet and it's got a little bit of that roasty flavor that you get with a porter or a stout. But it's got some nice—it does not taste like ice cream in a bottle.

And I think that is a great way to do things. I used to hate the other way. So these are adjuncts that you put in there to give these tastes, right? And I just had a bottle earlier this week that had lavender, sea salt, chocolate, and vanilla in it as adjuncts. And that approach was much more in line with what you think of when you think of adjuncts, which is it tasted like chocolate. Like, I don't know. I can't really describe it completely because i had sea salt and lavender in it but it tasted like chocolate milk kind of uh and it was very sweet and i actually don't hate either approach the one thing that does bother me about

when you get a beer like this and the adjunct is you don't necessarily know which which one you're going to get um you know you can get some clues from how many adjuncts are on it and maybe from reviews and stuff. But if you put these two bottles next to each other, I bought both of them because I was like, hey, they have adjuncts. I'll talk about adjuncts on the podcast. And yet they taste very differently. One is way more roasty and a little bit bitter and tastes like a stout. And the other one tasted like chocolate milk in a in a bottle so you know when you when i think people complain about adjuncts i think it's also you kind of almost want to put that stupid asterisk not all adjuncts not all beers with

adjuncts are bad or this way or that way uh it's just a lot of them uh do tend up to get like syrupy and, you know, kind of maybe a little bit gross depending on how you feel about it. Yeah. They can be overpowering at times. I would say if you're looking for a Neapolitan milk stout and you can't find the untitled art bottle logic one, the Saga tuck brewing company out of Michigan makes one.

I think I've seen theirs comes with a nice pink label on it. I think they sell theirs. I like a world market theirs. It comes with a nice pink label on it. I think they sell theirs at World Market. That's a store that people have all over the country, I think. Maybe other places probably pick it up too. I think they've got pretty good distribution. That would be the most similar style beer that you could probably get in a wide variety of places. I liked that one when I had it too. The Saugatuck one was pretty good.

It wasn't overpoweringly sweet, and that's definitely the risk you run when you start working with chocolate in your beer. You can definitely make it kind of milky. I had a couple really good beers this weekend. One was the... You were tailgating even. I was even tailgating, yeah.

It was a little cold, but Eagle Park out of Milwaukee, I've talked about them before, had a beer called Demon Haze, which is a pun based on the Gorillaz album Demon Days. So they kind of took that cover art, put that on the label, pretty cool cover, but it's actually a really good beer too. Definitely a hazy IPA, the crushable stuff you're looking for. It comes in a little high, 7% ABV, I think is what it was,

but you didn't get that boozy taste at all. It was really well-balanced, just the typical citrus notes that you're looking for in that. But the really pleasant surprise that I had, didn't even know this beer existed, was a beer from Hubbard's Cave out of Illinois, and it was a maple imperial stout. And I would say it's kind of similar to the Neapolitan concerns you have where if you overdid it with maple, you would have a bottle of pancakes. It would be messed.

Yeah, you'd have this overpowering, just sugary grossness. And I think they got the balance really good because there was a little bit of an alcohol burn quality in the finish but the sweetness up front and the maple wasn't overpowering uh it was just like a it was like a subtle maple it was just enough where you knew it was there but it wasn't like making you feel like you were just drinking syrup like in super troopers yeah yeah and i talked to you know um david walker who's

firestone walker about this and he really hates adjuncts and he has this thing that he puts on his beers it says all flavor through hops uh and i and i get that i get that it's kind of exciting and fun that you can make all these different flavors it's part of why i got into beer was like you can make all these different flavors from you's part of why I got into beer was like, you can make all these different flavors from, you know, these different grains. And, you know,

that's, that's kind of cool and exciting, but I'm also kind of like a better living through technology guy, which is like, why not? Why not try it with a little bit of maple syrup in there? You know, I like,

I don't necessarily need to have the beer with the hamburgers in it again, but, but I don't mind need to have the beer with the hamburgers in it again, but I don't mind trying it once. Yeah, there's a certain limit, though, on the adjuncts, and I think the hamburgers are probably over that line. But yeah, I'm going to try that. If I see that bottle, if I see a pint can or a pint bottle of that, I'm splitting that three ways. I'm not committing to a full 12 or 16-ounce pour of a burger beer. The worst is when you have the really big bottle or four-pack. I've got a four-pack of a Modern Times beer right now in my fridge that I don't want to drink any more of.

I think it must have some Summit hops in it. I really hate Summit hops. It's in there. I don some Summit hops in it. I really hate Summit hops. It's in there. I don't want to have it. There needs to be... I joined a CSA for produce this past season. Season's over now because it's winter here. They'd send you a box of produce.

Yeah, farm box. You go pick up a box of stuff from the farm, whatever's in season, whatever was done that week gets in your box. You get a good variety and support a local farm. It's a win-win. We need that. There's like a donate box or a I don't know how to use kohlrabi box is probably what I would call it.

So if you get something in the box and you say, I don't really like that vegetable, I don't like that fruit, or I don't know how to cook with it, you put it in the box and someone else can take it. And some weeks you may put it in the box, and someone else can take it. Some weeks, you may put nothing in there and take something. Other weeks, you may put a couple things in there and take nothing. It just comes and goes. You need a community beer box where if you've got an extra beer, like, I'm kind of sick of this. I've had enough.

I'm going to put my extra beers out there. I don't want them to go bad. I want something to enjoy. I've got so many beers I could put in that box right now. Yeah, yeah. These things could be outside. Do you have little library boxes in your neighborhood? Yeah.

We have those too. They're full of books. We did that for beer. They have to get warm. You'd have to have a refrigerated box on there. But you know what? I have a cooler. I could just put a cooler with a sign on it saying, hey, if you want these beers, have at them. Have at them.

Take a beer, leave a beer. take a beer, leave a beer. Take a beer, leave a beer. Adults only, please. I come out there and it's, oh, yeah, adults only. That's the problem. That's the problem. Neighborhood teens are like, oh, thanks, dude. Oh, yeah, that cool guy.

The cops come to my house the next day. Are you giving teenagers beer? No. Oh. And they would know it's you because it's not, you know not malt liquor and gross stuff that we all drank when we were younger. We busted a bunch of teenagers with triple IPAs and adjunct stouts out here. Oh, man. I got one last question for you.

It was a really good idea until we got to the end of it. Until we realized the implications of the idea. I had a quintuple dry hopped beer on Friday night. I thought, it's like razor blades. You can only have so many blades before you have too many blades. Can you- Don't people talk about vegetable burn at some point? It actually starts to burn your tongue a little bit?

That has to happen eventually. This one was pretty good, but I just thought, when does it end? I kind of felt like I was in a Portlandia skit. We tend to bullhop this. I know. I was sitting there. I'm like, what would they actually write? I said,

reverse dry hopping. That's the thing. We reverse dry hopped a beer. Do you know how expensive it is to dry hop, too? Oh, my God. That beer was very expensive. Yeah. I think I got a four and a half ounce pour on purpose because, like, I don't even know.

I don't know if this is going to be good at all. Infinity dry hopped. 22 times dry hopped. Wow. The Yankees should do that. That is so happening. One for every World Series title. The Yankees should brew a beer,

and it should be dry hopped 27 times. Beer in Yankee Stadium is probably the worst in all of baseball, so I don't think it'll be the Yankees that do that first. It's something Costanza would do if he was still employed by the Yankees. As always, you can reach us via email at a new email address. Yes, ratesandbarrelsattheathletic.com will reach us. We're fancy. We're fancy, huh?

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