Red Scare - Autism University

Episode Date: November 13, 2021

The ladies discuss the Astroworld tragedy and the Austin University launch, and touch on the Kyle Rittenhouse trial.

We're back, we're back, uh, welcome to BreadScare Podcast. Another gripping docket. Yeah. Um, how's it going, Anna? It's okay. It's, it's good. Yeah. How's it going, Dasha?

It's going okay. I'm pretty tired. I'm pretty, I think I'm suffering from, um, so-called burnout. Uh-huh. Um, because it turns out I have incredible work ethic. Yeah. Against all odds. Yeah, you really do.

I don't know how. Cause I hate it. And then I, working, I mean, I just think it's called being Russian. Or being like the child of immigrants. Yeah. Yeah. Not necessarily Russian.

Cause there's a ton of lazy ass Russian people. Yeah. But yeah, that's strive or mentality. Yeah. That, that girl boss, I'm on my, some real girl boss shit these days. Yeah. I think like in general, we're a, um, frugal and resourceful and hardworking a lot. I've been quite frugal lately as well.

Nice. You know. Mausoleum. Thank you. Yeah. I'm having a miserable, basically. No, no, no. Can't complain, but I will.

Um, I had a, I had a dream last night. Okay. I don't know. Tell me what you make of this. Okay. It was, I don't remember most of it, but I'm Youngian analysis. Yeah.

I had a dream that I was sucking on a gorgeous pair of tits that were, that were fake. Like I'm not breastfeeding kind of in like a, more in like a sexual, I was having a threesome in a hot tub with like very indistincts people. Right. And the woman had gorgeous breasts that I can't get out of my mind. They were kind of like, um, bulbous and fake, but gort, but beautiful. Like really nice nipple placement, everything. Like Dita Vante's tits.

Yeah. They were like incredible. Um, so what do you think that's about? What, I need like some more context clues. Did anything else happen in the dream? Not that I recall, but yeah, I was like kind of, I was in some kind of resorty environment. And I was propositioned for a three way and then engaged in one in this like hot tub. And I was doing it doggy style while I cannot overstate how beautiful these are.

And obviously seems like probably some latent breastfeeding stuff. But I asked Steven Gerwitz and he said, it means you're a horny slut. Yeah. So maybe, yeah, maybe I shouldn't read into it. Yeah. This seems like a too much. A bog standard sex dream. I wish I had like a, a great young Ian analysis of that.

But my, my brain is literally fried from too much breastfeeding. Yeah. It's your life force is being drained out of you. Yeah. Seriously. Yeah. My identity and my life force. I've, yeah.

I don't know. I have the opposite problem. Maybe you were sucking at the tee of opportunity. Pingo. But it was dry and shallow. It was fake ultimately. So maybe there's something to unpack there, but I'll take, I'll, I'll save it for, for my young Ian.

Do you still see that guy? Yeah. Totally. I talked to him last night. Oh, nice. It's going great. I did a bad thing and ghosted my shrink. I did that with my previous just no call.

You went no contact. Yeah. Yeah. Cause you're a coward. Yeah. Yeah. I'm, I'm an emotional coward. Yeah.

I feel bad, badly about it cause I had a long, you've been, you were with your shrink for a long time. For a while. Yeah. Do you feel guilty? Uh, yeah. Yeah. Well.

Not that guilty obviously cause I didn't say anything. Do anything. I mean, I will come back around and say something and like blame my foggy and fuzzy brain. Yeah. I forgot I even had a therapist. Yeah. It's better than forgetting that you have a baby, right? Totally.

Your baby's your new therapist. Exactly. What could go wrong? Possibly go wrong when I sound off to him about liberalism. Yeah. So I have to apologize in advance cause I'm like, my brain is so fried cause. I'm also fried. Yeah.

The, the baby and I had a cold. We just like, uh, share one cold every three weeks and I had to get up like literally every hour to like, uh, soothe and comfort him. Oh. So I'm a little brain dead today. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

I've been working in a writer's room that I can't. Sorry. Just close any details out, but it's also pretty draining. Nothing like, yeah, child rearing, but a different kind of, yeah, labor for sure. Um, it's like Astro world, but instead of, uh, Travis Scott's gaping maw, it's a pair of like perfect succulent faked it doesn't sound so hellish to me. No. Yeah.

Sounds like heaven. Yeah. Uh, maybe I'm, um, lately the lesbian, well, there's still a lot of time for that. I know. I know. I know. I don't need to get below this dream at a proportion. Yeah.

Should we get into Astro world? I guess. Yeah. Did you see the video? Which one? The one of the corpse being like Carrie. Yeah. I saw that one.

I actually, I hate that. I touched my toe and then I cut out. I regretted it. Like I said, I'm an emotional coward. I don't like watching. No. If you do, there's something wrong with you. If you're watching dead body videos, if you masturbate to dead body videos on tiktok

and YouTube. So tragedy struck at a Travis Scott concert, eight people died, like 300 people were injured when the crowd nine as of today and another. Yeah. Okay. So that debunked some of the satanic, um, ritual, ritual myths because eight pillars of hell. Mm hmm.

Eight victims. So a ninth. Okay. Kind of there was a wrench in that aspect of it. That was one of the tiktok videos I saw. But aren't there like nine circles of hell? Oh, shit. I'm just spitballing here.

I don't know. I'm just glad Heronimus Bosch is back and then me too. I'm glad we're talking about an art historical moment. Yes. Um, hell is white creative directors who insert art historical references into your, uh, marketing collateral. Yeah. It's your evil little concert.

Yeah. Um. Yes. Uh, so yeah. So there was lots of, um, horrible videos that surfaced and then in the aftermath of the astro world, which is what the show tour, whatever is called, um, there was a proliferation of conspiracy theories. I'm doing air quotes, um, on tiktok and YouTube and whatnot.

Um, that last I checked the platforms had a difficult time containing, but we're attempting to, um, to debunk, you know, this war we're in against misinformation and of which, yeah, satanic conspiracy, I guess, meets the criteria. Yeah. Um, um, do you think, uh, demons are real? Um. Well, yes and no. Yeah.

I don't think they're real in an epic supernatural way, but I do think that they're real in like a mundane every day way. Um, this is sort of like an ultimat for bug men, right? Yeah. Like hype beasts and sneaker heads and I don't know what the audience for Travis Scott's music or brand very young people, right? He's, um, did you read that Rolling Stones article? Yeah.

Um, I thought that was succinct. Yeah. Um, in sort of describing, yeah, like how Travis Scott is this vacuous avatar who really sort of stands for nothing, but in a more extreme way than pop stars typically stand for nothing. Yeah. Like empty vessel for, for brands to plant their seed. McDonald's, you know, I saw a Megan Thee Stallion Popeyes meal.

Interesting. And was like, I guess the right systemic racism is real. Well, someone told me Mariah Carey is doing like a 12 days of Christmas McDonald's thing. Um, which it doesn't seem, that seems a little reckless to go to McDonald's every day. Right. Not that I don't basically, but not that I don't crave it constantly. Um, but yeah, Travis Scott and his, his vessel dumb attract a audience that's probably pretty, I don't know, vacuous itself, but it's just like young people just like popular music.

You know, that's, or they like, I don't know that they even like it. They just like gravitate toward it and consume it. Yeah. But he allegedly has sort of a in, in like a kind of a pop punk, wrap punk tradition encourages rowdy crowd behavior. Yeah. And wearing skinny jeans. Yeah.

Instead of baggy jeans. And like moshing and doing, doing things like that. Yeah. And he like told the audience, I guess I have the quote here. Because this kind of disaster was transpiring. Um, he told the audience that, um, I want to see some rages who want to rage, but then he like back down and tried to deescalate the situation once he spotted an ambulance in the crowd.

And then after that, the concert went on for like another half hour and it ended a half hour early. Yeah. And half hour after they had already been declared as like a mass casualty event. And in that, you know, the video we were talking about earlier, he is like singing and as the bodies are being carried out in kind of a satanic way. I'm not, I'm not on the Astro World was a satanic ritual tip, by the way. But I'm not either.

But I also just like don't believe that Travis Scott has like an organic audience. He should call his next album Astro Turf because he's fake and gay. And I never, I mean, okay, Sicko Mode is a good song. Sicko Mode is a good song, but that's. Skrillex. Drake. Um, he and Drake, who was a guest. Drake was there.

Performer. Yeah. They're now being sued up the ass. Drake was there. Why didn't he do anything? I mean, what are they supposed to do? And then Travis Scott afterward issued this kind of like emotional. Black and white.

Video statement. Yeah. And it feels like an acceptance speech and somebody, some like white creative director or somebody on his team had like the bright idea of throwing a black and white filter on it. So it looked more like a dramatic and somber. Like Lana Del Rey's leaving Instagram. Then there was also this report that Astro World staffers were instructed to refer to

potential dead concert goers as smurfs to avoid calling them dead or deceased over the radio. And this is according to this 56 page security and emergency medical response plan. Um, as witnesses described victims, uh, turning black and blue. And then on Monday it was announced that Scott will cover all funeral costs of festival attendees who passed away as well as provide free one on one online therapy for others affected. He should be the therapist. Yeah.

Oh, damn. Yeah. People were taking him to task because he was basically contracting with like this telemedicine company. Like one of those Michael Phelps us. Yeah. Of course. Well, that's kind of the perfect response.

Mm hmm. For him. Yeah. Um, yeah, I mean, he's really like not the baby. All he can do is like, yeah, collab with brands. Yeah. It's the only thing he's capable of. Yeah, on the whole, a very kind of like vacant and charmless and uncharismatic figure, which

makes sense that he's Kylie's, uh, baby daddy cause she's kind of the most vacant and charmless and uncharismatic of the Kardashians. Yeah. My favorite conspiracy theory was that they were sacrificing people to Kris Jenner cause it was her birthday that day. That's funny. It's funny. It's funny, it also, it's, uh, people were kind of talking about this like conspiracy,

like jokingly of Travis Scott being under the spell of these like raven haired Armenian witches, not that Kris or Kylie or Kendall or even a drop Armenian. Yeah. Um, but it reminded me of like the Kyle written house thing about how like the Kenosha mayor, the city attorney and the lead detective on the case are all members of the same Armenian family. I was like, what the fuck are Armenians doing in Wisconsin? That's truly weird.

Yeah. It's so random and weird. Yeah. And while the Kardashians have all the lore that they're basically like ruinous to men. To men. Yeah. But Travis Scott really did it to himself. And I think he'll be fine.

Sure. He'll get sued, but all those lawsuits are going to be like memory hold and he'll probably pay off some of the victims and their families, but like. It does sound like such a hellish nightmare. Yeah. What a horrible way to go. Crushed at a Travis Scott concert, you dying for Travis Scott. Um, these type of widely attended huge arena concerts seem to have a history of the sort

of. That's not even to mention the risk of contracting COVID-19. Yeah. I mean, were they even vaccinated where they have to show their Vax cards? I wonder if they did. I, I read some social distancing and I read somewhere that Houston where Travis Scott's from has like very notoriously, um, lax, uh, laws for public assembly, which is why the festival is held there.

Not just because he's from there. I don't know how true that is, but that tracks, I guess, um, we'll be talking about Austin later on. Oh yeah. This is a Texas themed episode. Yeah. And there, there's always like the usual questions about whether there's like adequate security and medical personnel, um, and how much drugs play a part and all this sort of stuff.

You learn nothing from the revisionist Woodstock. The Travis Scott show was a white supremacist event and must be condemned. Um, but on that note, I, I was sympathetic toward like Azalea Banks's point that like as an artist. She blocked me. So I didn't see it. Oops. Um, what did she say?

What did you do? I don't know. Um, she, I don't go on her social media, but I saw this story circulating like on Twitter, but, um, they, she was, didn't you call him a table salt eating retard one? Probably. That's good. Spot the lie. Yeah.

But she, you know, she made this point that like as an artist on stage with an earpiece with lights blaring at you, you don't always know what's going on in the crowd. Like, yeah, but I, she also made this kind of like, that's charitable. Yeah. It's charitable. And she also made this sort of related point that, um, these like white kids deserved it because they were like reckless and dumb. And I was like, this is Houston.

It's like a diverse ass city. There's like, is it Houston or Austin Houston? It's like a really diversity. There's a lot of blacks and Latinos and Persians and Aces and I guarantee you that crowd was like multicultural as hell. Certainly. Yeah. Yeah.

And I've read actually the roster of names and it was a bunch of like Latino and Indian and Persian names, um, but he has like, there have been reports that he eggs on this kind of behavior and he has similar incidents happened in 2015 and 2019 that I don't think like resulted in the death of anybody, but where the crowd got out of control. Yeah. Crowdsurfing and things of that nature. But I think that goes with kind of like the ethos of his act and also arena concerts. Yeah.

Of course. That's a tale as all this time. Yeah. So I don't know. I mean, the kind of satanic panic stuff is not, no, well, not, no, because he is sacrificing his fan base to tell a medicine. Yeah. Yeah.

But beyond that, as well, it's like, I mean, Altamon's a good, you know, parallel, it is like archetypal in a way. Concerts are like, you know, Dionysian dangerous places, Boschian, Spectacles of Infernal Revolry, Bacchianalia. Not that this, that, you know, this event was obviously very extremely poorly managed and this should have been completely avoidable. But I do, there is something about it that does feel like, I don't know, yet another symptom of social disorder and decay and spiritual failure.

And I do think our culture is broadly and increasingly satanic. Yeah. And I think, well, I, it is like Altamon in that Altamon is widely seen as like heralding the end of the hippie era. It was like one of those watershed events, right, along with the Manson murders. And I think that this is really heralding the end of like the liberal era and of the kind of all-encompassing sway of liberalism, because I think like the general public and ordinary people are picking up, they're intuiting the kind of malevolent energies of liberalism,

which I'll get back to later. But I was talking to a friend of mine actually, who's a doctor and a veteran, which Happy Veterans Day. Happy Veterans Day. Thank you for your service, boys and the ladies and the women. And he's also a Christian. And we were talking about how contrary to what like the old crop of new atheists say, the only rational position is to believe in God and demons, because life is full of these

unexplainable little miracles and signs. And I think it's only human nature to read into them. Like actually, so, you know, speaking of divine coincidence is the actor Dean Stockwell just died. And it's so weird and random because like a day or two before his death, I was watching this Robert Altman movie called The Player starring Tim Robbins. And it's about a studio executive who is being stalked by a disgruntled writer and he ends up killing the wrong writer and getting away with it.

And it gets pitched to him as a movie by the stalker writer and it gets made. And it's like this very, have you, have you heard of this film? I've heard of it. I haven't seen it. It's really good. It's from 1992. And Dean Stockwell was in it, he plays another writer who's pitching to the executive. And he's, he's very prominent and memorable, but like this is an actor that I've never

thought of. He's like an actor's actor. He's like a guy you would know by face, but not by name. And I was like, oh, that's so weird and random. This is like a personal. This is a synchronicity that you noticed in your personal life. But it like goes back to like everything that's going on now because, you know, this movie, it's like, again, this like very weird and impressive little comeback film that Altman

did that features the star-studded cast, many of whom play themselves like Cher and Bruce Willis and Julia Roberts, Susan Sarandon, nice, Nick Nolte, Gary B.C., anyway. And it has this kind of like intimate insider meta atmosphere that I really love, but it's basically like the moral of the story is that if you're a functionary, you basically get away with murder twice in the literal sense of getting away with murder, but also you get to control the narrative. Kind of like Fauci. I was thinking about how this applies to Fauci because I was in the park this morning with

the kid and I saw this woman and other mother in a sweatshirt that on first glance looked like a Gucci logo, but it actually said Fauci in Gucci lettering. Wow, that's sick. It's so twisted. I was like, honestly, clever. Yeah, I wouldn't have occurred to me. Definitely. And like a guy like Fauci literally gets away with murder and then project manages the narrative.

And it sprawls out into these, you know, multi-tentacled franchises like Netflix documentaries and children's books. Fauci. Yeah. Yeah. So this movie is like very insightful because it- I'll check it out. Yeah, you should.

Yeah. Anyway. Well, it's interesting you mentioned the death of liberalism because I revisited one of my favorite essays that I probably have talked about before on the Pod Catholicism in the bourgeois mind by Christopher Dawson. It's from, I think it's from like the 80s, but it sort of posits like that there is a fundamental disharmony between bourgeois culture, which is to say like American culture, which has its roots in like Protestantism, capitalism, obviously, and Christian civilization and

like the Christian mind. And that because bourgeois ideology is, or capitalism or whatever you call it, is profit-oriented. It's like quantitative rather than qualitative. It's like, you know, directly at odds with Christian thought and in that way is sort of satanic and the astral world incident really felt that way, that there was something like inherently evil that's intrinsic to the entire premise of our society and culture and it's just sort of playing out occasionally in these like overtly satanic ways, but it's actually ever present.

Yeah. And so people are correct to into it again, these malevolent energies, but they might ascribe them to kind of incorrect sources or whatever. But I think, you know, like liberalism treats evil as this like epic outside force. And you know, as all the best works of art will tell you, evil is actually mundane and banal and banal and next door. And like, you know, in the case of like, I was like reading about this whole like, you know, Fauci thing, for example.

And I think like the reason that liberalism does that is really to like avoid confronting the reality that the evil comes from within or the many evils that come from within. What do you mean comes from within? Like it comes from like liberalism is also capable of great evil. Well, yeah. Yeah. It's, I would go further and say that it is evil. It is evil.

Yeah. And in the liberal cosmology, all the good guys are these like Sorkin-esque Fauci like characters who are widely revered as gods among men, but then are revealed to be kind of like mere image obsessed paper pushers who are more amoral than they are immoral. Yeah. Who's more evil in Rosemary's baby, the satanic cult or Cassavetes or John Cassavetes, right? Yeah. And like, you know, I think with like the Kyle Rittenhouse thing, for example, there's

been what's interesting is that there's been going on with Kyle Rittenhouse. Well, there's a trial going on. Yeah. Where he's, he stands accused of murder, yeah, and one weapons possession charge. Okay. And if you watch the actual trial testimony and, you know, see the evidence, you can see from that that basically he has a very good and solid claim to self-defense. But from day one, the media narrative was that he was this kind of like white supremacist

rogue vigilante who shot into the crowd. We don't have to get into the Rittenhouse thing because I think it's going to. But he did go to the protest with. He did. Yeah. An assault rifle. Yes. With the intent, but his claim is that with the intent of protecting people and property.

And the trial is, you know, not adjudicating his motives or intent because the antifa were there too and all sorts of other people also went to the protest with firearms. It's, you know, they're not really, yeah. But I feel like there's this like perceptible sea change going on within the general public and, you know, among ordinary people. And even among, I would say, like moderate apolitical liberals who understand that the call is coming from within the house. That they're being lied to.

Yes. That it's not these external factors or actors. Domestic terrorists. Yeah. The religious right. Right. White supremacy. It's these fake and gay narratives that are, you know, like America is a white supremacist

country or follow the science that have caused a lot of. The worship. The worship of science is absolutely contributing to our satanic times. Yeah. Exactly. It's directly like at odds with spirituality. Yeah. And I think what's interesting with the written house case is that even people who are inclined

to dislike, if not hate written house have been forced to admit that he has a case and the media was lying like Anna Kosparian of the young Turks who went on record saying like my first impressions of this case were false and wrong. Yeah. Um, and there was another, um, I want to paraphrase, yes, um, he was 17 at the time. Why isn't his mom on trial? Well, yeah. I mean, that's a question that mom drive his dumb ass to a protest with a gun.

Well, but this, I think this question like seriously gets at the, the heart of this idea, like, you know, the summer of Floyd, all these democratic officials and lawmakers and policymakers sat back and did nothing and allowed American cities to burn entire livelihoods to burn. And in the kind of liberal outlook, doing what Kyle written house did, if we believe his intentions were pure is seen as evil and stupid. But in a previous age, he would have been lauded and commended for his heroism because he did what a brave young man should do, which is protect people and their property. I don't think young men should be vigilantes.

Right. Sure. They should if he wanted to do something like that, he should have joined the military or well, I think he tried actually, but I think that there are, we have sanctioned ways, you know, in a healthy culture for that kind of like heroic activity. Yeah. No, I agree with you, but I, I feel that we don't have a healthy culture. Well, that's for sure.

In a situation where basically the authorities said to everybody, you are on your own, we're not stepping in. They cornered people, forced them to take matters into their own hands. However, misguidedly, you may think that is, and then they punish them for it. And it's a very complicated thing. I understand that like, um, he just didn't seem competent enough to undertake that just because he had, well, had a gun. Well, there's a lot of, well, it's, there's a lot of like, um, back and forth about whether

he was like a child or incompetent or whatever. And there's like a lot of falsehoods being spread about him, like the allegedly drove across straight that state lines with an AR 15, um, the, this allegation that he was a white supremacist, the allegation that he came there with the intent to shoot and kill, the allegation that he fired indiscriminately into the crowd, all of which there's no evidence for, right? Like he fired specifically at people because he thought he was being pursued. Yeah.

And you can infer that if those people had won over him and grappled his firearm, he would have been dead. So it seems like a case of self-defense. I think the self-defense is like, seems fairly cut and drawn by, but the intent, I mean, doesn't going somewhere with a gun preclude an intent to fire it. What do you mean preclude? Like he, you don't go somewhere with a gun. You mean it implies an intent?

I don't know. I mean, I think there's a, there's a scenario where he legitimately felt that he was protecting people and property. In that way, he seems very childish to me. And I think if he had, because he was a child, he was 17, I think if he had more developed faculties, he would have a better understanding of the consequences of his action, which is why I think his mother ultimately should be culpable. Yeah.

And look, I mean, I will personally say that I, as a liberal coastal elite would not let my son go to a situation like that because I would be fearing for his life. But I think like there is an argument to be made that given the circumstances, he did the right thing. But what I'm saying is that the, the kind of the official narrative deviates so insanely from the reality that people are catching wind to this. Like whatever you think of written house, his intentions, his motivations, that's a very complex question.

Like that, you know, I think young men have a healthy urge to seek adventure and glory. And there's really like no good outlet for it in a tightly managed bureaucratic society. But that aside. Military. Yeah. But who wants to join the military now when that's also been exposed as. If you're a young man who, you know, wants kind of adventuring glory, yeah, the military is of, you know, Avenue.

Yeah. Yeah. It's a place to land. But I think like just, I want to paraphrase something, um, Geneve Campbell said who I, uh, I really like her Twitter because she's a former Democrat who, uh, has kind of like turned on liberalism. And she talks about how like the, you know, the epistemic bubble of liberalism is so dense that liberals can't conceive of any enlightened person, not parroting the establishment narrative.

And this was in response to this hedge fund manager who actually married, um, Brad Pitt's ex-girlfriend, Neri Auxman, the Israeli architect. Okay. Interesting. Um, and he was, he tweeted about how he got a call from the media asking if his account was hacked because earlier he tweeted, um, that after watching several hours of trial testimony, he had come away from it believing that written house is telling the truth and acting in self-defense and, you know, having good intentions.

Um, but there's, but what I'm saying is that. There's an entire broad swath of the mainstream liberal media, the independent leftist media and their various orbiters who are just willfully ignoring the facts of the case. Well, it's like everything else. It's like Russiagate, you know, the election, the insurrection, you know, the looming threat of domestic terrorism. This has all been like liberal party line stuff. But I think that this is the first time where there's been, like, like I said, a perceptible

sea change among people who are inclined to believe the establishment narrative coming out and saying like, whoa, hey, like something foul. That's interesting. Yeah. Yeah. Even today I was thinking about like, you know, I made that tweet of comparing Epstein to, to written house and it's like the Epstein thing was so sweeping and many tentacled that it's effectively out of reach and it makes people feel powerless to change anything.

Utility. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. In like a very eyes wide shot way where it's like, you know, cease your inquiries for their useless. Like a scary of 61st Street in theaters soon. And on the other hand, the written house thing I think is really like a microcosm of like

this widening chasm between the kind of official media narrative and reality as is experienced by normies. And so like anybody attempting to shame you or blame you for asking questions is on the wrong side of history. It's a litmus test. Well, that's why I even really bristle at the like satanic panic stuff and the like censoring of like satanic conspiracy videos because I'm like, who are you to litigate people's like spiritual interpretation of reality?

Right. That's well said, yeah. And this is just, you know, another instance in a long line of like conspiracy theory, you know, which goes back to the Epstein thing too. Like the fact that Epstein didn't kill himself gets like lumped in with like conspiracy theory and for most people it is the dominant narrative and people's satanic quote panic about Astro world is valid and reflective about larger anxieties about inhabiting an evil world and an evil culture.

Yeah. That they can feel is like eroding their minds and their soul. Yeah. And to censor that seems deeply wrong on the grounds of like misinformation because it is it's just a different kind of information. Yeah. That's literally interpreted on a different register that I think most people are like, it really shows a contempt for the public that's consuming social media and a contempt

for like, I don't know, more intuitive faculties or something for just different kinds of information. But I think that is an empirical scientific blah, blah, a bureaucrat approved, you know. Well I think part of like the liberal line that started with the Daily Show and ended with the dirtbag left, I know Amber just said that she hates that term and wishes it was never used is, you know, trafficking in snark and irony and making people feel lame and ashamed for following their intuitions. So you really did have people who, you know, last year were obsessing over the Epstein thing, calling the written house thing boring.

And it's actually true that the details of the Epstein case are probably more like riveting and interesting in a tabloid sense and that's just wider reaching because it deals with like an elite class in a very direct way. Yeah, like a global circuit of elite pedophiles funded by George Soros, whatever. And the details of the written house trial, the real details are fairly cut and dry. But the implications, I think, of that trial are far more impactful and influential than the Epstein thing in the life of your everyday person who has been abandoned by these authorities and elites who want to preserve their status but have no sense of no bless oblige and don't

invest in their communities because they have no communities. So that I think is like very frustrating and like, you know, I'm like, I think like, okay, I have to be annoying and cringy because I have to like insist that people are faithful to reality. While reality meaning? Well, the reality that like concerns people as you experience it on the ground. Yeah. And not like a base reality as opposed to a media narrative.

Yeah. Yeah. And not this like crazy media narrative that like, if you don't believe in science, you're a racist or something, you know, or a domestic terrorist. Yeah. Yeah. The Epstein thing was a case of this like very Chinatown asks thing where unchecked wealth and power begets sexual depredation.

Yeah. And yeah, widespread corruption. Yes. But also that those things are mutually reinforcing in a circular, not linear fashion. Yeah. Absolutely. Yes. Anyway, but, but my feeling also is that like these people who, who will say like, oh,

the written house thing is poor. I've, I've seen nobody among like mainstream media liberals or people love a tribe. People love a trial. Yeah. But you mean like dirtbag leftists who don't want to engage with the, yeah. I've seen none of those people acknowledge the fact that one of the guys that written house killed was a known pedophile who had charges for raping nine to 11 year old boys. What?

Yeah. And the other one was a domestic batter. Well, Kyle couldn't have known that. No. He couldn't have known that. And I don't mean to say that that's like, it's inadmissible in court because it's not like he could have known in advance that he was shooting at predators and deviants. Yeah.

You're not allowed to just kill pedophiles even if you have it on good authority. No, I understand that. But like they, but the self, it's none of that matters because the self defense, defense does seem to be admissible and, yeah, exactly. Sensible. Sure. But, you know, these are the people that, you know, spent the last two years or whatever condemning the Epstein pedophile cult for its sex trafficking of young girls.

Well, the pedophilia is really, I don't know, secondary. It is. Yeah. The most, at least in the Epstein stuff, like the salacious details of the actual like pedophilic transgressions are really neither here nor there, it's really about like enslavement and trafficking. Well, I think, I think the solution wasn't merely a pedophile. Yeah.

I mean, he, he had like a weird black male busing scheme to sell young girls to old clients. Yeah. In exchange, like scary islands and for, yeah, some kind of dirt. I mean, I think the most, I guess, interesting part of that case, right, for most people probably is that there's rich and famous people involved. That everyone's implicated. Yeah. Because like sex trafficking, you know, I hate to break it to you.

That's not to you. Yeah. To the proverbial, to one is like such a commonplace thing. Yes. Like there's probably a shipping container, many shipping containers, bottlenecked in the Los Angeles port due to supply chain breakdown of like suffocating Slavic girls, like in the wire season two. Like it's so commonplace and yeah, yeah, it's, there's a global slave trade.

Yeah. And it's such a widespread unsolvable problem. And you know, I think realistically, the Epstein thing was never about the victims. Yeah. It was about this like tabloid story and like massage subplot. Yeah. I understand, like I understand why it's like a captivating, interesting story, but it's out of our control.

Completely. Yeah. Yeah. And all of that is, you know, yeah, a bit of a misdirect for what it really sort of is, which is like, I don't know, the world's worst secret, that isn't even that secret, which is that there is like a conspiracy, there is a conspiracy amongst the elites against the rest of us. Yeah.

I don't even, I don't even know if it's like a conspiracy to the degree that it's like colluded or coordinated. I think that they just act, I mean, if there is something that looks like a hive mind, it's because they just secure their own immediate interests and there's like internecine conflicts among them. But, you know, a friend of mine put it, I think very well, you can't condemn the Epstein pedophile cult, but then turn a blind eye to the fact that kids are being prescribed puberty blockers and are being administered COVID vaccinations.

And I know that sounds overdramatic, but I think it will be obvious in a few years time. Well, yeah, if you purport to care about the well-being of children, yeah, sure. And like, you know, there's an overall, like I said, like total as they purge, yeah, as they pertain to the interests of like elites in their institutions, including, you know, big pharma. Right. Like that's the real, like big pharma is Satan on earth. I know.

I know, Anna. And like, of course, all of these activities are handled in this like kind of distributed decentralized way by like nameless, faceless bureaucrats who are never going to be brought to exactly godless. Yeah. Yeah. And we won't, there won't be earthly justice, um, you know, in our lifetime, but in another world, yeah, I believe that.

In the Boschian Inferno that awaits us. Once we pass at a Travis Scott concert. If you're going to get crushed, you should get crushed at a Lana concert, but it would never happen there. Morrissey. Morrissey. I would love that. I would die at a Morrissey concert.

To die by your side. Yeah. It's such a heavenly way to die. Um, beautiful. I would let Morrissey personally crush me like this. Um, anyway, should we talk about Austin U? Austin University thoughts, impressions, will you be enrolling? I won't be enrolling, um, because I think it sounds pretty gay, um, but I would, you

know, I'd be an adjunct. I teach a course. What course would you teach if you had to teach a course at Austin University? Hmm. Well, it would have to be, you know, in the pursuit of truth, certainly. Um, I mean, cop out, I'd like to be like a drama teacher or something. You just teach people how to be dramatic and nasty. Yeah.

Exactly. How to shippost. How to shippost. Shipposting 101. Um, no, like, you know, I could pull together a curriculum. Yeah. I could do a film course. I could do, I mean, I don't really want to because I'm so lazy.

And, um, but my overall impression is it sounds like, um, like Reddit university. Yeah. I saw somebody call it sub stack university. Yeah. Basically. Autism university. That was my favorite one. Yeah.

And the most autistic thing about it is like the, um, I went on the website, which made me feel, uh, visceral dread actually, um, but yeah, it has this kind of like, um, classical as in like Aristotelian like symposium kind of like, it's like, it's like the Greeks. Yeah. Um, and that's almost charming, but super duper gay. Yeah. Yeah. It has like that kind of like ancient Greek column vibe.

Exactly. Yeah. And they're going to have a symposium about like autogenophilia and in general, and I know it's presenting a bit more nuanced than this, um, but I, my hunch is that a lot of these like anti woke kind of enterprises are fun, like a little doomed, you know, they're absolutely doomed. Yeah. Well, cause they play by the premises.

Yeah. Exactly. Of like the whatever woke thing. Yeah. It's, I mean, I took quote, Dan Allegretto, um, I thought reactionary, you just meant like reacting. Yeah. That's what I thought for the longest time.

I still kind of think that I don't really understand it. Oh, you think I'm a reactionary? I guess I'm flattered. I like reacting to stuff, um, but the, I guess I would describe this. As, as reactionary in my limited understanding of the term, because it feels like it's constructing a bit of a straw man to prop up like a different model of a university system that doesn't actually seem all that radical or different. Yeah.

I'm with you, sister. And I think like I've seen a lot of critiques like these people are grifters and they're just doing what they usually do, which is stacking chips for themselves, but I actually think that their intentions are pure. They're just out of touch. Yeah. Yeah. I don't think they're, they're grifting.

I think they really do want to have some sort of like impact. I don't think it's about the money. No. Um, and I also, uh, somebody else said this, I don't remember who, but I thought it was a really great point, um, that the point of a university is, is not really to offer an education. Um, it's to confer status and prestige, but there's no way that Austin university is doing that.

Because well, maybe for a very niche subset of people, maybe for the new Uber men's generation, radical free thinkers or whatever, um, radical centrists, but in truth to power, you know, it could accrue potentially enough kind of like investment to be a semi viable institution in which I agree. And I think, um, yeah, the university has been about networking for a long time about ingratiating yourself with a certain class of people, at least in the humanities. You know, you go to college to like meet people that will be hopefully rich and successful and like rise with the tide.

And Austin university is sort of pretending that they, that they're championing like an literally ancient like symposia, radical ideas, heterodox thinkers, but, uh, fundamentally I think that sort of people who will be drawn to it will probably be craven social climbers looking to network with a particular sect that they're betting on becoming more successful than I think they'll just be horny and passionate about ideas like all I think a lot of fellas are going to, are going to be there for sure. But I feel like the name itself is like an oxymoron like Austin university, like there's no knowledge or status to be gained in Austin.

No, definitely not. That's yeah. Like, you know, as we said on the EP with Tim Dill and Austin is a place that's refreshing to hyper competitive coastal elites because there's a ceiling and no ambition. It's a mediocrity packed. Yeah. Basically. Um, yeah.

So that doesn't boats, boats so well for, for Austin, you, um, it reminded me actually of, um, a couple of weeks ago, I like took some out or all to try and get some work done and it kind of like hit different and I went down this rabbit hole. Are you familiar with a term called dark academia? No. Dark academia is like a loose kind of tick talk post tumbler trend. Okay. It's an aesthetic, um, which is a term I see young people using to basically just kind

of mean like, um, mood boards and outfits, um, that's preoccupied with, um, yeah, like melancholy bookishness university kind of like, it's a little like there's some crossover with like Harry Potter in that it's like this fetishizing of like boarding school and like, you know, kind of like mid century outfits and like writing with a quill pen and like reading by candlelight and drinking. Yeah, it's this like, uh, collegiate aesthetic trend, um, that's popular on social media amongst zoomers that made me really sad because it felt like much like Austin, you, it's like grasping for something that's in its like death throes, you know, like they would, yeah.

For a sense of institutional legitimacy and authority that doesn't exist anymore. Yeah. And prestige. And prestige. Yeah. I just picture like, um, Tweety Blazers with, um, suede elbow patches and those, um, sweaters. I really want one of those sweaters that's like cream cable knit with the navy blue v-neck. I have one.

Where do you get one of those? Um, I got one on eBay. Here's a little life hack. I've told you this before, but on eBay, you can, you can image search. Um, and I saw a Celine sweater that looked like that, which was prohibitively the expensive screenshot of it, searched it on eBay and it like algorithmically will show you things that resemble it. And then I'm like, how much is the Celine sweater?

It was like thousands of dollars. You shouldn't pay that much for a sweater. Yeah. Um, so that's, yeah, dark academia. Yeah. A Christmas is coming. Uh, but my dog listening to Eli, listen up, Eli, um, uh, but I was obviously drawn to dark academia in the first place because that basically is my aesthetic.

I've been on like a Mona Lisa smile tip for, for a long time. Yeah. I feel like you could pull off that aesthetic really well. Me not so much, but it's, I have to like update kind of the school girl thing because I'm 30 years old. Yeah. So I'm looking for, I'm kind of going in a more like school milk professorial. Yeah.

Oxford. Yeah. Maybe that's what your dream was about. Hmm. Going back to college, yeah, I'm touring as a woman. I thought with, when you said dark academia that you were, it was like a Nick land slash Alexander Dugan type thing, but it's just kind of more like Oxford. Oscar Wilde, Harry Potter, Hogwarts.

It's like, it's the saddest LARP, um, because it'll never exist again. Can't be sadder than the university of Austin. Yeah. This is taking dark academia to new heights. Yeah. I mean, okay, like I feel like the fundamental issue though is like you can't establish a university like on the principle of free speech because like the establishment core principle has to be like pursuit of knowledge and truth and free speech must flow through

that from that because I feel like free speech guarantees the safe passage of ideas. And it guarantees not that they'll be accepted, but that they'll get their day in the sun to be vetted. So you can't organize an institution around free speech because then it becomes also like a, uh, discursive vessel to promote your ideology of choice, which is really what, what happened anyway. Here's, this is from an article in the New Republic that's sort of quoting the, the UATX literature.

What makes universe, Austin university different, three things, a commitment to freedom of inquiry, a new financial model, though I didn't, it said that they wanted tuition to be less than 30 grand. Hear us out. Tuition is 29 grand and not 69 grand. It's a radical new model. And you don't get a degree. And quote innovative curriculum, our students and faculty will confront the most vexing

questions of human life and civil society. Their site declares, we will create a community of conversation grounded in intellectual humility that respects the dignity of each individual and cultivates a passion for truth. We're told that in, um, university of Austin's eventual in person classroom, I do fuck with that. I do think it's good that they're not doing remote learning. Yeah, that's cool. That differentiates them from basic, if they were doing remote learning, they would just

be kind of like a, one of those fake internet colleges. Yeah. Like the university of Phoenix, Gamia. Every opinion will be heard and every opinion must be supported by evidence. Sounds like it's going to be a long symposium. Yeah. It's like, I don't really associate Steve and Pinker with intellectual humility, but go off.

I also think at the vast majority of colleges, um, cancel culture is not really that big of a deal. I have no idea, but that's my hunch. I think like, you know, in the coastal schools, you know, your new school, your NYU, yeah, the micro climates. I think like, but like if you're going to like a state school, you're somewhere random. I think the problem isn't the cancel culture. It's the stuff that led to the cancel culture, which is the erosion of educational standards

and great inflation and all the stuff that makes college even more and more like a vicious and satanic game of musical chairs. Yeah. Um, but yeah, this is in their own words. It all begins this coming summer. We will offer a summer program for college students called forbidden courses that invites top students from other universities, blah, blah, blah, blah, spirited discussion, provocative questions already just like the words for go on Reddit, babe.

Like you don't want to lead with forbidden because you're condemning yourself. Yeah. Um, if they, you know, like they're so desperate, call it naughty summer school, naughty daddy, daddy's little girl university, kinder whore college, Montessori school for whores, a red scare school for slides. Welcome to your dick sucking class bitch. But like, look, I like Barry Weiss, I'll comment, I'll go on record and saying I like Barry Weiss as a person.

I think she's a really nice and sweet person. Caitlin Flanagan's attached as well. Caitlin Flanagan, I love. No offense. Um, I think as a critic and commentator, I will say it to her face, she can be out of touch. Um, and, but as usual, kind of like the, the leftist critique of this sort of willfully misses the point that, that, um, because it's equally out of touch and like I, I saw a lot

of people, um, complaining that the IDW are fascists, um, which is hilarious in a joke. Um, but, and a lot of people claiming that it would be a scam university, racism university, race science university, I would just teach a course that you should teach a race science class at Austin, you that, um, teaches students at arm students with the tools to identify various ethnic groups by physiognomy and last name, um, but yeah, people are saying that it's like a scam in the vein of like the university of phoenix or Prager you or Trump university and that it's not accredited currently and it's not, um, degree granting currently, which seems to defeat the whole purpose of having like a, um, alternate, I thought they already

had one of these called the European graduate school, I mean, that's, you're just in it forever. That's actually hell on earth being a grad student. European graduate school is unaccredited and, you know, Jesus teaches there and shit. Oh, wait, I thought you meant like you European graduate school in general, like, no, no, no, the European graduate school. Okay. Yeah, I'm sure there's a lot of, except it is prohibitively expensive.

Yeah, but I feel like that, that kind of critique also ignores that the official legitimate accredited higher education system, university system is also a huge scam. Yeah. Because you pay a lot for nothing and you don't even get the networking opportunities anymore. Unless I guess you're like one of the few, but there's so many people going to college that. I mean, that's what I was going to say.

Maybe if you're like at an IV, but honestly, the, I don't know, the future feels so precarious. It's like, what good is networking even for, right? You know, like you don't know, you can't really bet on, you know, back in the day, you went to Harvard. Yeah. You got some Harvard buddies. You guys, you know, yeah, you lifelong bond, snagged a cushy job. You snagged a cushy mate.

Yeah, I knew. Yeah. A lot of assorted of mating was going on. Yeah. So I think like, but I guess, you know, but these are also the people who feel like, you know, student loan forgiveness is like a core socialist tenant or whatever, because they fundamentally like subscribe to this broken and rotten system of like empty credentialism or whatever.

Yeah. But there was a good take from Jeff. I don't blame them. They thought they could have a life in it. Sure. I guess, I don't know, academia used to be more solve a more solvent avenue for people to pursue. Yeah.

I'd say in the last 10 years, it's become much, much, much increasingly less so. Yeah. But Jeff Schoenberger had a good take about it. The left's reaction to the University of Austin makes it clear again that it largely has no objections to the actually existing university system, which is constitutively elitist and has fostered a culture of mindless credentialism, accelerated inequality, indebted generations, et cetera. I think he's right about that.

Yeah. So it's about right. And it's always funny, of course, when the IDW are like accused of being fascists or Nazis or whatever, because they're just like well-meaning overeducated liberals who think freedom of speech means conforming to their, or conforming to their kind of worldview. Yeah, it's selective. Yeah. They're a kind of like universalist worldview or whatever.

So I don't know. I think it'll probably be like a flash in the pan. Is that the correct expression? Yeah. I don't remember it a year from now. We'll see. I'm intrigued. Yeah.

I mean, it's, I guess, well, their plan is to become accredited in some fashion by 2024. They're starting, they're rolling out these sort of preliminary summer programs. And then by 2024, they plan to have like an undergraduate track. Maybe I will go. I'd love to be a freshman at college. Wouldn't that be nice? Yeah. Never been kissed.

I went to a women's college, so I never got to really have like a college experience. Maybe I'll enroll if they'll have me. I'm sure they would. Isn't the whole experience of going to a women's college, getting into recreational lesbianism? It didn't happen for me. Damn. Why not?

I, they weren't drawn to me, and maybe I was putting out kind of, I don't know. Unapproachable vibes. Unapproachable vibes. I mean, I had a boyfriend who lived in a different, different city, who I went to visit like every weekend basically. So I just didn't have much of a social, I had basic, I had, did very little networking. I had basically no social life. Yeah.

Were you in a bichenza? Yeah. I was studious, and then towards the end, less, so kind of lost interest and was just trying to get through my thesis, but I was like, I liked school. I was studious, but yeah, not a lot of friends and didn't make a lot of meaningful connections. Hmm. Interesting. But it all led me here, so it's all, all good.

Yeah. I went to Twitter universe, which is where I met you. Yeah. And this is one of the most fruitful relationships of my life. So. Which we have Dan to thank for. Did I already congratulate him on his 100th episode? Maybe I'll do it here.

We called into his 100th episode prior to recording. Yeah, maybe I'll do it here on Red Scare podcast. So that our listeners are. Check out dial Dan rerouted to dial Dan, which is also getting into the merch game. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. If you're ever feeling frustrated at a lack of episodes, me and Anna, Dan's podcasting

all the time. Yeah. I went to. This motherfucker. This faggot won't shut up. Here's a little bitch, Anorexia Tumblr University. Um, yeah, I don't, it just like, I think that the, the main problem with the IDW as far as like optics are concerned is that they're, they have like the impossible desire to be

seen as cool, but to also be seen as correct. And those things are just like. Incompatible. Yeah. Yeah. I didn't recognize, I got to say, a lot of the, the people on the Austin U website. Um, I wonder who the coolest, I saw David Mamet on there. That's cool.

It's pretty cool. Um, he's probably the coolest. Yeah. Um, Katelyn Flanagan's idea. Pretty cool. Yeah. Stephen Pinker is super cool. He reminds me of, of like.

A typical Jewish grandpa in that he has like a very feminine, hysterical level of narcissism. Yeah. And it's probably easily flattered. He seems like he brushes his hair. Yeah. He has nice hair. I like, I like some goofy ass hair on a man. For sure.

Um, if you really, it's, but I don't know, I feel like the IDW, they're like concerned with like cringe versus base, which are two disgusting terms that no one ever should utter. It's misguided. And I apologize for uttering here, but if you really wanted to have like a quote based university, you would lock like 400 guys in a room and make them study, uh, classics and mathematics and do like man boy love and no women allowed. Seriously. Yeah.

Yeah, women banned from the premises, not apply, except one art history professor. It's very Lindy. And one nurse. In case. A hot, sexy nurse. Yeah. Hot, sexy nurse. Yeah.

Lindy, Lindy you. Class is now in session. Are universities, are universities ought to be Lindy? Uh, yeah. Universities are Lindy. It seems like they might be the exception to the principle of Lindy because even though they've been around for a relatively long time, they're prestige is waning. Yeah.

And they won't be along for too much longer, probably. Or they will be, but they'll just keep like churning on as like former hollow shells of themselves. Like. Yeah. After all the news, after all the little, uh, independent colleges die off. Yeah. R.I.P.

Mills. Mm-hmm. What's Mills up to these days? They're defunct. But they, they're, they're, uh, phasing people out. Uh, they're probably still in operation. People are finishing up the degrees that are there currently, which I would don't know why you would do that.

Um, uh, and then they're gonna, you know, become some kind of like campus for women leadership. Uh-huh. Thing. And maybe, I don't know. Maybe some benefactor will revive the, the campus in some way, but I don't know. It's a little sad, but can't say I didn't see it coming. Mm-hmm. I feel bad for my professors, you know?

Yeah. They thought they had like tenure. Yeah. That sucks. Yeah. And, you know, Wittgenstein's not going to probably pay the bills all that well. Yeah. All those butlerian tomes, uh-huh.

Gender studies. Um, yeah. Anyway. How, so. We can wrap it up. I have a quote that I was going to read. Yeah. Yeah.

Read your quote. Um, we've done an hour 15. We can cut it short. Oh, yeah. No, no. Read your quote. Um, it's from Catholicism and the bourgeois mind. Okay.

Um, it's Christian, obviously, uh, but it depends on the Christians of a particular generation, both individually and corp, corporately, whether the source of spiritual energy is brought into contact with the life of humanity and the needs of contemporary society. We can hoard our treasure. We can bury our talent in the ground like the man in the parable who thought that his master was an austere man and who feared to take risks. Or on the other hand, we can choose the difficult and hazardous way of creative spiritual activity, which is the way of the saints.

If the age of the martyrs has not yet come, the age of a limited self protective bourgeois religion is over for the kingdom of heaven suffers violence and the violent take it by force. Wow. See you in the house. See you at Astro world. See you at the, uh, uh, Austin University. Yes.

Where I'll be teaching a course on why, uh, no means yet. See you there.