Red Scare - Bluecheck Bannisters

Episode Date: October 30, 2021

The ladies review Lana Del Rey's new album and

We're back. We're back. Oh. Eli really set us up nice with that. Overhead phones and Eli the levelator, Kessler, that's what we call them. Yeah. So if the audio is too good on this one, blame, blame the Jew. If you're not getting our signature lo-fi sound, it's, it still sounds, it's, I don't know. I have noise canceling headphones on, which is a little bit. She can't hear me talk. I can hear you. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. It's better this way. It is a little disorienting. It makes me feel like I'm trapped in the pod. Yeah. Like my head is, the confines of my skull are the podcast. Yeah. Your skin looks really good. Thanks. I got a second. You got the Fraxel laser or whatever. It's called

laser MD. You can see all the scabbing on my nose. If you look up close. Yeah. It's not like adorable little freckles though. No, they're like really gross boils up close, but they like scab over and then fall off. Yeah. Like a purging. Yeah. Well, you look great. Thanks. I feel insane from exhaustion. No, I mean, I feel like I look like Steve Bannon because I have like weird like open wounds on my face. I find them charming. They're charming. I'm a good distance away, I guess. Yeah. Never a better time to wear the mask. And it's kind of luminous. Yeah. Your skin. I'm into mask mandates now. Now that you're doing laser treatments. Yeah. Yeah. When I get laser hair removal, my mustache, I don

them. I don the mask gladly. Wait, can they do they do that now? Because I'm doing that. Well, because at the start of the pandemic, I went and got my legs lasered again as I do every year or so to like maintain my gains. And the one spot that they wouldn't treat is the mustache area because it would involve removing the mask. And it was like at the height of the pandemic. So they were like understandably very cautious. This is what they took from us. Yeah. Another COVID casualty. Wait, so when you get the mustache removal, does it have that like really annoying, needling, painful bone? Yeah, it's like zaps your face. But it's pretty, you know, it's benign. Yeah, it's benign. And I've made a lot of gains.

Yeah, I like barely even have a mustache at all. That's great. It works. It works. Yeah. And I yeah, during the pandemic, I was like, if this coat if this ever ends, like you have to get like laser your mustache because it's so much maintenance. Yeah, it really is. And now if there's another lockdown, I don't have to worry about unsightly facial hair. Yeah, no, it feels great to like have one less thing to worry about when you're answering emails and like running errands and so many emails being a girl boss. Someone told me once that a lot of Russian princesses had mustaches. They did. That always made me feel a little better. Well, the the last youngest wife of check off did who everybody hated because

she was like a society at girl and people felt that she was like, compromising check offs, integrity and principles and stuff because she was like, you know, like a hot girl social light, but she was known for her mustache. Sometimes they can be cute. Yeah. Madonna's daughter had one when she was younger. Yeah, I remember her and being like, cool. And a unibrow, her, her skin is so good that she could pull off having a unibrow and a mustache and it looking like a fashion statement. Yeah, like if it's kind of, I don't know, sometimes it can compliment a woman's face over if aristocratic blood. Yeah, maybe I'll grow my mustache out. Cool. Bring it back. Not that it was ever in giving non binary. I'm a high end

gender of one. Me and Madeline did our soccer photo shoot. Yeah. Yesterday, where we dressed up like Liam and Liam Gallagher and Damon Alburn. I was Damon. Yeah, obviously. Coloring. And she's more Liam esque, but I because of her racism because of her provocative love of bucket hats. Exactly. And I was wearing like a beanie and I was kind of like cool non binary vibe. Dasha. Yeah. Interesting. Yeah, you guys look like horse. Yeah, I mean that in a positive uplifting way, even though Instagram won't let you call as horse. I know, isn't that crazy? Hannah posted a picture of me and Maddie on her Instagram story and wrote horse on it and Instagram take it down and then Maddie reposted it censored and that

got taken down or she reposted the the story talking about how my story violated. Yes. Community guidelines. What kind of a world do we live in where you can't call your friends horse and bitches? That's that sucks. Yeah. Well, me and you both kind of like to dress like a horse on our birthdays. Yeah. And I think every time we've seen each other at our respective days, we've exclaimed you look like a prostitute or thank you. Are you gonna dress like a whore for Halloween? I am, but I'm going to keep my costume idea under wraps. You know what it is. It's gonna be a surprise for everybody else, but it is it is like a whore themed outfit. I'm looking forward. Do you have do you have your nurse versus

I teacher versus French made costume picture? Oh, I don't know. It's I'm a nurse. I'm gonna know. Okay. Though I did read a article on MSNBC today that nurse costume problematic. Why? Because of the naughty, naughty nurse is problematic because it I'm just a naughty nurse who stands up against vaccine mandates on Tik Tok. Yeah. The article claimed that it was degrading to essential workers. Yes. Well, we don't like them anymore because they refuse to take the facts. Yeah. Yeah. They're they're over. So it's fine. Well, nurses probably, I think we're still celebrating. Yeah. But it sort of made the case that the honorable thing to do would be to dress like in scrubs and like with PPE and stuff and like who the

fuck would do that? Just like carry a ventilator or like I'm a sulk what's carrying a mattress like I'm trying to I'm trying to get people horny. Yeah, they're trying to keep us all down make us wear like figs uniforms. It also claimed dubiously that nurse was of the most popular sexual fantasy of men, which I was glad to read. Not doubted. Not like a girl or like bikini model. Well, I think nurse, you know, nurses take care of you. I sort of associate nursing with like, or I imagine men associate nursing with like hand jobs. Yeah. You know, like a nice naughty nurse. Yeah. Stroking you back to life. Yeah. Giving you a happy ending before they pull the plug. Yeah. Dr. Kevorkian. Naughty Dr. Kevorkian.

It's not a bad costume. That's actually good. Yeah. I don't know how I would pull it off. I'm just going to go straight, straight forward. Yeah, nurse. It's it's simple, elegant, evocative to the point. It's classic. It's fun to be drunk dressed like a nurse. Yeah. Naughty. Yeah. In case people at this party mistake you for a healthcare worker. Yeah, I'll bring a syringe. Yeah, when somebody like inevitably like cuts their hand open on like a vodka bottle or something. We're gonna have a good we're gonna have a good time for it. I haven't really dressed up for Halloween in a while, I feel. I haven't really. I did like that like Marc Jacobs makeup last year, but we didn't go anywhere. Right. And I also look

though, it was very convincing. I like startled myself when I opened the front facing camera. A little, a little too close. And I also I dressed Eli up as Abby Shapiro that that year last year, but he wouldn't let me post the images, but I do have them on my phone. So if we break up, those are going to get leaked all over the internet. I look forward to getting a look at those after we're done. Yeah, he looks like a person who fights with people on the internet. It's a good costume. Yeah. The docket. The docket. I know people are eagerly awaiting our blue banisters. Yeah. Review. What's that? Just kidding. Bluebird banisters. I thought of that. Do you remember? Do you remember bluebird? No. She I say she

but who knows it was a a Redsker subreddit poster that was like particularly a blood bird. Was it bluebird? I thought it was blood bird. It was bluebird. I forgot that that was like the golden age of the sub. I missed blood bird. She was bluebird. She was a good poster. Really vicious and honestly the poster that we deserve. I think she's the one who started calling me a cashew head. That's honestly like a good roast. I know I was like damn bluebird with the yeah, cutting criticism. And I don't know if it was her but like about her perfect, how her pussy was perfect. Yeah. So whenever she would post a photo of like a beautiful like a stock photo of like a beautiful blue eye. Yeah. This is the only part of my

face that I can show. But I'm really hot. My guardian angel bluebird. Yeah. So yeah, bluebird banisters. Yeah. We have her title. Obviously I love blue banisters. Yeah. She's done it again. Yeah. My question is better or worse than Chemtrails? Better, I think. More sophisticated. Yeah. More like refined. I liked Chemtrails too. Me too. But I'm such a stan. Yeah. I really don't think she could do any wrong and every album that comes out I'm kind of like ooh, I can't really evaluate it like freshly yet or rather, you know, objectively because I'm still very fresh. Yeah. I've never not liked Alana album. Like I've never had a immediate negative response to one. Yeah. No. Like I've liked some more than others

for life. I didn't vibe with as much. But we weren't like, yeah, she just wasn't, we weren't connecting. I like the cover art for this one, which is very fascist, frankly, because of the German shepherds, which are there to conceal her extra girth this time around because they're large and hairy. Yeah. And also police dogs. Good way to look small. Yeah. Spell and fragile. Yeah. This is a very refund to the police album. Yeah. Yeah. Blue Lives Matter. Yeah. I'm I'm like looking forward to reviewing this album way more than the Drake or Kanye ones, which were both kind of like I liked the Kanye one didn't really like the Drake one, but they were both kind of like a slog or a dirge. The Drake album

was so random. Yeah. Um, but Lana, yeah, she speaks to me more than any, like contemporary artist. And I think she's one of the greatest living poets. I agree. And the lyricism on this album is very strong and interesting. Yeah. And uncanny. And her voice is, is aged like a fine line. Yeah. She's going to be sounding like Marianne Williamson. She's sounding so like there's so much clarity. Yeah. And yeah. The Jennifer Coolidge of pop has done it again. Um, she, yeah, it's funny because I was thinking about like, if you really think about it, Lana is to women, what like hip hop is to men in that it allows us to access our like narcissistic fantasies of omnipotence because like men's fantasies are about like

stacking supermodels on top of each other on a boat or like gunning down your enemies without consequence or like getting a Jew to invest your money and women's fantasies I feel are being like a pretty baby in a tattered dress being loved and like adored and benevolent and like, you know, having your daddy restrain you with a firm hand because he caught you chanting black lives matter and he grabs you and says blue lives matter cause he's a cop. You're like, yes, daddy. Whatever you say daddy. Um, while speaking of, of daddy issues, I feel like with this album, daddy issues have been a big, you know, theme in Lana's work particularly the early albums. It was a popular motif. And as she's maturing, I'm

what's resonating with me is this sort of shift that I think happens to people as they get older for women. I mean, is like, you think well, you think your daddy issues are like your problem. Yeah. But then you realize your mommy issues are really your problem. I mean, I've been ahead of the curve on this one. I've known I had mommy issues since I was young. I've never pretended to have daddy issues. The daddy issues are, I think for a lot of women, like your 20s, right? And then the 30s are kind of, yeah, well, then you start to unpack the mommy stuff. Well, you become does a little bit on this record. Yeah. You become like a Jennifer Coolidge woman walking through life with your mother's

ashes in a box and realize that you're like actually a lot more like your mother. Um, a friend of the pod win once got me like a sign at some like estate sale or yard sale that says mirror, mirror on the wall. I am my mother after all. And I put it in the baby's room because I was like, I literally am turning into my mother. Yeah. I love that sign. I remember it's great. It's still up in here. But yeah, I would agree with that. Um, there is a lot of what's up with Juan is dad. He was probably nice and doting Papa Grant. Do we know anything about him? She's a little, you know, she's private, which I respect. Which I like. Yeah. She's emotionally like honest, especially on this record. Um, but

I don't know really actually that much about her family, which I think is intentional in like the myth building of, of, of Lana, the milk building. Exactly. Yeah. Wait, I'm going to look up this father because I feel like he, she was getting kind of like piles on is about, yeah. Well, people, when she came out, people are, you're, you're an executive daddy bought you your new face and your new sound and all that sort of thing. Right. I think, yeah, he probably was supportive of her music career in some, some regard, but I don't get the impression that she's, um, yeah, from like a super affluent family. Her references, this is part of her brilliance is like how middle brow her references are.

Right. Okay. So he, she was born in Manhattan in 1985 to Robert England Grant, a gray group copywriter and Patricia and Pat, an account executive at gray group, which is perfect because like, I have this theory that we all end up doing kind of an elevated version of what our parents did. And she's literally in being a poet. Elevating is an elevated copywriter. Yeah. Sure. I mean, it's, it's totally like just think about all the people you know, and what their parents did and how they're kind of just like, well, yeah, I mean, my parents in showbiz. Yeah. Yeah. They're performers. You're a performer. Yeah. Uh, and I was like vaguely pretending like I was like, had academic aspirations. And then once

I reconciled those, I was like, nope. Yeah. And my dad was an academic and my mom was a housewife. And now I'm a shit poster with a baby. You've got the best of both. Yeah. Not now, baby mommy. But yeah, I think like that, that explains her way with words. Yeah. Interesting. Because her dad used to literally write coffee. But I'm, yeah, I'm so proud of what like a real star she's become. And what a fantastic songwriter she is. Yeah. Well, and a lyricist, she's really like my favorite lyricist ever is Morrissey. And I think she gives him a good one for her, for his money. Morrissey for me. Like it's the same kind of evocative, effective. But yeah, but the motifs are so overt in Lana in a way that

like she'll go very, very low in a way that Morrissey won't, not that there's any reason to even compare them, but she's like, she's better than like Leonard Cohen. Yeah, totally. I'm not really a fan of Leonard Cohen. He's not my fave. He's kind of gay. Yeah, he's kind of, I just find him to be somewhat annoying and pretentious. And I find Bob Dill to be annoying and pretentious too, but. Lana very unpretentious. Yeah. I mean, also Morrissey is like a haughty faggot and Lana is a broken woman. Yeah, I loved what she said. I've always enjoyed moving through the world as a woman with dignity and grace. I love what she gets on her like, I love being a woman. And this, well, I found the themes of like

sisterhood on this album to also be very beautiful. Yeah, like sisterhood and motherhood, like the last song, which is about her sister's baby, right? Yeah, I know. I definitely cried to this record. I was like scared to listen to it honestly, because I didn't want to, you know, open up any like wounds or like feel kind of raw. Oh yeah, me too. Sometimes like when we reviewed her spoken word poetry album, like the second I started listening to it, like I got goosebumps and started crying and blue banisters really was like, yeah, makes me cry. Well, yeah, it does that. I mean, it really is so angelic. It really like lets women kind of indulge their narcissistic identification. I don't mean narcissistic

pejoratively. Yeah, I mean, like we're all narcissists to degree. I'm not like taking a position above the fray or anything. And I think that like, she lets women partake in a particularly female form of narcissism. Well, it's melancholic. Yeah, where you will you feel like lightweight yet profound at the same time? Yeah. And I really I appreciate being able to access like melancholy through Lana's music, like immediately, you know, it has an immediacy. And I like, you know, sometimes it feels really good to like wallow. Well, yeah, women love to wallow, which is also why we like to go on the floor because that's the best surface for wallowing. Yes, women are drawn to the floor as we know.

And I think like in this album, Lana reveals herself as like very formulaic, which I also don't mean as a dig or an insult because only she is able to do formulaic evolved so much. She has but she's good at sticking to formula. Like her formula is these like Catherine of Sienna s harpy medieval chans that give women the illusion that they're suffering from like anorexia mirabilis and not garden variety anorexia nervosa. Yeah, like oops, I was listening to blue banisters and forgot to eat, which is a true story because I was running around doing errands today, listening to the album and literally like didn't eat and felt great. It did derail my day a bit because I did get very emotional. Yeah, we be and then I was

like, I have to go pick up my joy queen. I went I went to my tailor who's Turkish to drop off a pair of like business pants and was crying in public. Yeah. And he was like, are you okay? And I was like, you killed my fucking people. But I was literally getting emotional over that last song. Sweet Caroline. I know it's such a beautiful song. Yeah. And like some gay guy DM me and he was like, you're going to cry when you listen to this song. I texted you. Yeah, I actually DM him back politely. And I was like, actually, Dasha also cried to the song and more than me ahead of time. I was like, I'm weeping. Yeah. Thinking about the baby and how we love the baby. Oh my God. Oh, she's yeah, like she's really

kind of a master, a genius, like you can't understate her contribution to contemporary pop music. You just can't. And the consistency, as I was saying, of the motifs of like, I love that every album basically has like a song about a garment and this one, it's black bathing suit, which has that that chanting and that kind of like discordant decomposing musical bridge. Yeah, that was my favorite song, like the exorcist layered voices at the end. Yeah, yeah, she does a bit of screaming on this song. What was your favorite song? I think blue banisters. Yeah, that one's good. And then and then black bathing suit. And then sweet Carolina. Yeah, I think if my only critique of this album is probably that like

it was front loaded with good stuff and kind of like waned toward the middle end and then it ended on this high note. So she like salvages the whole thing in the end, but it's such a better product than most albums today. Like I really don't care about Dua Lipa, Ariana Grande or even Rihanna. Well, Rihanna is yeah, TBD. Yeah, when that new records drop. I don't care about any of these new pop stars, but Lana is definitely like the pop star who's been the most meaningful one for me. Same since like Amy Winehouse died. Yeah. I don't care about Adele, who's by the way, very talented and competent. Who cares? Yeah. But yeah, it doesn't resonate. Taylor Swift, obviously, Total Hacks tries to steal Lana

Valor sometimes by pretending like she has depth, even when we all know she doesn't. Her new album, Trad, dropping in 2022. Yeah, it does. There's some, I mean, I feel like I'll keep listening to it and other songs will grow on me as they did on Chemtrails. Like there are a lot of like sleeper hits on that one. And I bet. Well, beautiful. I was listening to Beautiful on my walk over here, which I didn't love at first, but then I was really starting to appreciate, like, what if someone asked Picasso not to be sad? He wasn't sad though. He was horny. Yeah, I know. That's why it's such a good reference like Picasso. Wow. Like I think she's like referring to his blue. Yeah, I wouldn't have

been a blue period if someone had asked Picasso not to be sad. And through her sadness, she's able to access something beautiful. And that's like, that's really Lana like at her best is when she's articulating something like so banal when she's simple and like middle brow, but does it so like earnestly and beautifully that it's like transcendent? Yeah. And on Kani, she's like eating an ice cream sandwich at three in the morning. Yeah. And her air conditioning isn't working. She comes up with this absolute like stunner. What if someone was Picasso not sad? And the way that she has to sing it. Yeah, there's also these like the way that she has to say Picasso to make it fit into the song is so weird. And on,

I think it's in black bathing suits when she says you can't blacken the pages with Russian poetry and be happy like long like dry. It's like too many words, but she has to say that like it's so good. I love it. It reminded me of another throwback Lana lyric I love is in the song she does with Sean Lennon. And she says, isn't isn't life crazy? I said now that I'm singing with Sean, immediately referencing what's happening. Yeah. Yeah. The poetry. She's like the brandy Melville of music. Perfect in every way. Yeah, but also like fashion. Yeah. But also so so banal. Am I saying that correctly that it's elevated? She really elevates the mundane through her feminine tapestry and sext and who Sylvia

Plath who yeah, these other bitches should go stick their head in an oven. Queen. Like if Lana was around in like the forties or fifties or sixties, she'd just be like a straight up poetess. Yeah, she might have done some folk music back then because she has such a nostalgic fondness for like Americana. Yeah, she's sort of like to done like a Sybil Bayer thing. I mean, I see a lot. I don't listen to Joni Mitchell, but that's what I in like I see a lot of people comparing her to Joni Mitchell, but I don't really. That's a she sounds to me like with her kind of like chorally chance more like Joan Baez, but she's like Joan Baez meets Peggy Lee. Like what's that Peggy Lee song where she's talking about like

and this is it like her house burns down. She talks at the beginning. Is that all there is to a disco? Yeah, there's like the different segments of like she goes to a party. Zee Suseeth. Really botched it. This is it is by us. And I think there's like something like very unbothered and like unadaptable about her in general. She's a real artist. Yeah, she keeps doing this. I'm telling you, she does like, well, she does the same thing with like minor adjustments. And I think also her like the instrumentalizations are very good and interesting and better than whatever else is going on today. Like the kind of ragtime what they wrote this down. Well, Jack Antonoff didn't produce this one. I'm happy for because

I think he is spread a little thin and his like chord progressions are getting like redundant and yeah, they had a good collab. But I think he was he was weighing her down. And so now it's like, it's just this one's just a little different. And I think Norman fucking Rockwell was a real turning point. Yeah, that was when she was like tapping into something. It's her polyester. Nice. But there was like a real shift with that one where she was like evolving away from the like Lolita thing that she had been doing for so long. Well, yeah, I mean, that's really smart on her part because she understands that she can't be convincing. I mean, that by the way, speaking of John Waters, you know, he said

that really great thing where he was like, well, I can't be in an arco communist anymore because I own four homes. It's just not very convincing. And Lana can't be like a waif Lolita kinder whore because she's like 35 year old woman with an expanding waistline. That's also not a dig. She's like a mature woman. She's like fine wine or ripened fruit. She's beautiful. I mean, I think she's like beautiful no matter what she does. She's she's a woman. She's like Anna Mignani. She's like one of these old timey starlets who's like beautiful in spite of her best efforts not to be the mystique. Yeah, she can't really do anything wrong. And I really admire and appreciate that she does walk through life

with a certain dignity and grace that most women in her position don't have because again, like there's nothing circulating about her private life. Yeah. Or her family like she doesn't have like a Frankie grande like weird gay little brother. No, really. I mean, she clearly like is working very hard at songwriting. This is the second album she's put out in like a year. And so just like the her persona and brand or whatever is really like in service to her crafts to her art making, I think. Yeah. And with a lot of like pop stars, it's the other way around. They're like the pop music is an excuse for them to like cultivate a persona or a cult of personality. Yeah, like a stupid little brand. Yeah. Or

they get progressively more absurd looking brow lifts until they're no longer a real person. Ariana Grande. Yeah, they look like a kpop hologram. Yeah. Totally. Where's Ariana Grande? She should come out with some new music. I know she's like doing some sort of judging or whatever. Yeah. Yeah. She got married. Oh yeah. Um, dealer. That one was sick. So fucking cool. Oh my God. I don't want to live. Like that's very, um, I don't know. It was though her voice on that one is powerful. Yeah, it's great. And I beautiful was the one that I didn't love because it sounds like a song that plays at Marshall's. But you know, at the end of the day, Lana is a Maxinista. And that's like, she does everything like

she lends a certain coolness to being uncool and corny. Yes. Yeah. Cause it's true. Yeah. It's unbothered and kind of like authentic to her experience. Yeah. And I think like in the past, especially in the last like 10, 20 years, like the whole apparatus of pop is producing people like churning out people whose only angle is that they're cool. And it's very cringy, like Billie Eilish with her like George Floyd at a cookout as outfits now doing old Hollywood, Ariana Grande with like the weird hip hop ballerina thing manages herself. I think I don't think I think she maintains a lot of creative control. That's why she puts literal like selfies on her singles and stuff like there's, um, which is rare

and refreshing. Cause yeah, cause everything is like focus grouped and like funneled through some label. That's also very Brandy Melville. Lana's cover art looks like a Brandy Melville t-shirt. And I think might actually be a Brandy Melville t-shirt in 10 years time if they survive, but it says like a different word. Yeah. Cause all their, all their banties are weird and fake and off. They have like a fake Smith shirt that says like little sister, but it's kind of in like the meat is murder vague. Yeah, I saw that one. It's like a weird and they would feel like I'm having like a stroke. I think that's the, that's the desired effect. And then the weird like Dave Matthews one that just says Matthews band is like what?

I almost bought that one. That one's good. Yeah. But I can't bring myself to buy it cause I'm not like a huge fan of Dave Matthews band. So, no, I had a shirt, um, that I got it forever 21, like 10 years ago, probably that weirdly said Kurt Cobain and Curse of on it. Um, oh, the other thing that I was not thrilled about, but which is also on brand kind of corny, cool is the weird Morricone like hip hop interlude. I didn't even really listen to it. Yeah, that was awkward. I listened to it once when I listened to them. Like that was like the whole thing. And I was just like, no, I don't like interludes in general in albums. No, not unless they're really cool, but I get it. It's a concept. And I think

textbook has a little bit of that like Western flavor on it as well. Yeah, I do like her encyclopedic knowledge of, uh, nostalgia of yeah, Americana and nostalgia and awkward European efforts at America, Americana and nostalgia. Um, that I saw a really good tweet by a user, Zach Langley, aka Asuka Homo, blue banisters as high Lana art because she applies the murky twilight gauze of nostalgic sadness to the image of her in a droopy t-shirt in a Target parking lot chanting black lives matter perfection. It's haunted Americana and she knows it and so should you. Uh, which I think is on the money. Like I don't want to overanalyze pop music. I'm not really a fan of optimism. Yeah, not because I don't

feel like pop music is worthy of analysis, but because I feel like the adherents of optimism think that pop music is the only thing that's worthy of analysis in this like very defensive and compensatory way. Totally. I think is gay, but, um, yeah, uh, cause they feel kind of like, like they've squandered their, their lives. Yeah. And intellectually insecure and whatever. But yeah, she really does, um, elevate the mundane by applying these kind of affective devices to inappropriate contexts, like romantic or nostalgic longing to black lives matter. That was a crazy summer, man. Yeah. And in that way, she makes strange the mundane. It was like Coachella for black people. We were all there. We were all chanting

it. We were all falling in love amidst the crazy riots while tipping over garbage cans and ransacking journeys. Every time I walk by that joy journeys, I think about the fateful night where we got in trouble for taking selfies, which I didn't do. Just FYI, you didn't post selfies. No. Um, but I did buy one and I know it's fine. Thank you. Lana's fake activism. Yeah. And I feel like that just like does on some level, like tear you out of your comfort zone into like this weird uncanny valley where you can like, when I listen to Lana, I have like a bird's eye view of my own narcissistic, feminine fantasies. Yeah. It's awesome. Yeah. And I'm always like, Oh yeah, that's the one who got away. There's

a man who's in my life. He's going to come back in May and banisters, sex smarter blue banisters is a really like stellar, I think on every level. Yeah. It's a bang, the poetic turn. And then her sisters come and paint the banisters a different color. I was like, Oh God. Her sister is, um, I think her sister might do all her cover art cause she's listed on Wikipedia as a quote professional photographer. I think the, the, the charming thing about Lana and her sister is that they're very professionally unprofessional, kind of like us. Kind of like us. Kind of reminds me of, she's just like, yeah. Yeah. I think her whole vibe is very unmanaged. I will be very disappointed to learn that she's like a type A control

freak if she is. I don't think she is, but um, I don't think she's a type A, but I think she does exert a lot of aesthetic control over her vision, over all great artists. Yeah. Which is why she's accused of being a fascist. And she feels so misunderstood. So she's always like, it's good. She got off Instagram. Maybe she's back though, but Oh, she got off of Instagram. A little bit ago, she made this video with like a black and white filter on it. She was like, I'm just going to get off Instagram cause I have a lot of good things in my life besides being on this site. You know, a good for her honestly. That's smart because she feels so misunderstood. I think that she's uh, over explains herself

and it never does her any favors. Yeah. You know, she takes criticism very, um, very personally, which is all great artists, which I get it. I get it. Yeah. Um, yeah. And I think like she, she's like for such a normie, she's also a bona fide eccentric. Like I think she's a truly eccentric person. Her lyrics are truly eccentric. The only other female artists I can think of who are as eccentric in their lyrics are Mariah and Nikki, but they do it in a more like it's, how would you describe it? It's just like the vocabulary they choose versus the state they're attempting to convey. Yeah. Like they just choose weird funky $10 words, which is comical and cool, but yeah, she's really

like in her own lane and it's through her kind of norminess that she's able to reach these poetic heights also. Yeah. And true eccentrics are only eccentrics because they buck some sort of archetype that you'd think that they would represent. I know Lana's house is full of those reusable marshals totes. I just know it. We can tell. Yeah. Like crammed under the sink. I think she wore like a dress from Sears to some like a red carpet. It was a weirdly gorgeous dress. But yeah, she was like, God, it's Sears. Yeah, that's cool. She's awesome. Yeah. I think there's a collective fatigue maybe with, with coolness. Nothing is, nothing has really been cool since like the nineties, you know? Yeah. And it's like

if you peel back the layers or like look past the surface, there, like there are no kind of big brands or properties that are cool anymore. No. Like in terms of, even in terms of like individual brands or properties. Except Brandy Melville. Except for what? Brandy Melville. Yeah. I'm Lana Dorem. Well, some other music was released recently that not enough people are talking about. I'm scared. Did you know that John Hinckley makes music? No. I saw that he was back on Twitter. He, I don't know if he was ever on Twitter. He's on Twitter now because he, well, he's out of, he wasn't in jail because he was not guilty by reasons of insanity. But he was like institutionalized in some way. And he's made incredible gains

and he's free and he's, they've, they let him while he was like incarcerated or whatever post YouTube videos of him, like, because he's a songwriter. But now he's made some professional recordings that he's put on Spotify. So he's taken to Twitter to, to promote them and they're pretty good. And also he has great taste. Every like couple days, he'll tweet about bands he likes, his influences. Wait, I'm going to look at this too. I'm not like really on Twitter or Instagram anymore. Because it's just not good for me. He tweeted, well, he tweeted, I like the early Beatles, early Elvis, early Bob Dylan and early Rolling Stones. In the airplane over by the sea by neutral milk hotel is a great album. Nirvana did some

good stuff. He likes Lou Reed, the magnetic fields, velvet crush, East River pipe. He's like, I'm like, are you trying to seduce me? We get it, bro. Furthermore, I like Daniel Johnston Leonard Cohen, velvet underground, half Japanese, the clash, early Elvis Costello, early Kinks. Don't forget to listen to my songs on Spotify, iTunes and the other streaming sites. And I listen to them and they're good. They're very, I definitely hear the neutral milk hotel influence. And that spoke to me in particular because I've been listening to neutral milk hotel. Okay. So he's sending you subliminal messages.

Yes. But I have, I have a lot of shame about liking neutral milk hotel because it feels just like a touch too regressive, you know, um, but when John Hinckley came out as an image fan, I was like, yeah, I have a confession to make. I've never listened to neutral milk hotel. I could have never listened to it in the airplane over the sea. It's super gay. I have no idea what they sound like and I'm take it. You haven't listened to the John Hinckley. No, no, that I definitely haven't listened to, but I'll check them out. They're, they're very charming. They're spirited in the, I'm not like being ironic. Like I actually do

find that I think never ending quest is a good song as is roses and lace. Um, but I would really like Daniel Johnston and I like indie rock and that, and that kind of thing. And it'll be, he only has like 3000 listens or something on Spotify. Like he's not making a big splash in the culture. Oh, now he's up to like 6,000. That's good. Well, I mean, nobody knows who he is except for Lee. He shot Ronald Reagan. I know, but Sears don't know who Ronald Reagan is. This is the thing. Like everyone's so into the Joker now. Yeah. John Hinckley did a Joker. He did. Yeah. He was the original Joker and I just don't get why he's not getting any, any shine. I literally

just instinctively feel nobody knows who he is. Yeah, you're probably because everybody's like, I haven't been able to stop thinking about John Hinckley listening to neutral milk hotel for like a week. I mean, it's, I'm, I'm all about people, um, getting a redemption arc. Yeah. Another moment in the sun. I just think check it. Hey, check it out. I'm just doing my due, my due diligence. I will check it out. Well, he also, he doesn't really know how to use Spotify. So he posted every song as like a single instead of a whole album. Right. And that all has this photo. His photo. Yeah. I mean, I guess, I guess I get why people aren't like loving it. That photo is a total glittering image. Definitely. He needs a producer

for sure. He claims these recordings are professional, but maybe John Hinckley come on the pod. John Hinckley come on the pod. I'll introduce you to some of our music production friends. Yeah. We could really do a lot for his career. Maybe we could hire him to fix our levels since he seems to know a lot about sound. They don't sound, they don't sound too great. Yeah. But probably better than his, than his. I mean, look, I'm really into anybody who, um, has like a hobby or a passion and, and sees it through in private, which he seems to have done. Yeah. He's not, he's not engaging really with anyone on Twitter, even though obviously some people are like in his mentions being like, you, you're a, you'll burn in hell.

Like leave it alone. Why for shooting radio? John Hinckley did nothing wrong. Okay. Yeah. And I saw something. I mean, like, I noticed you don't listen to a lot of female artists. Like, what are you doing? You're going to cancel John Hinckley? That's what he should be canceled for, not for shooting, not for stalking Jodie Foster, but for, uh, not listening to enough Cardi B or whatever. He's cool. He's, I'm endorsing. He has like a very, um, Gen X-y taste in music. That's what's so, I bet he listens to like pavement, like we could chill. Yeah. And it's like, he's 10 years before the, yeah, he's a bona fide boomer. He's got good taste. I don't know. Yeah. Good for him.

There used to be this live journal community that was like, you had to join it. You had to make a list of your top 20 favorite bands. That's horrifying. And they like would judge you on your music taste. Did you go in? I was able to join, but I really, did you make the cut? I think I maybe applied twice and like refined, but because it's not really about your favorite bands, you know, right? It's actually just about like refining a perfect list of like some obscure, but some, you know, not like the, it's really was just about like a vibe. Did people mock you? Um, I don't remember. I was so young, you know, and I was like, I only didn't listen to some bands that I like put on my list, but I was like really trying to

like infiltrate some community of pedophiles. Yeah. Like seriously, like John Hinckley, us men who are like owning girls about their music tastes, like neg them into going on some greyhound to get rape murdered. I literally, I thought is so intimidating. I would hate to talk to people about my music taste. I can't believe that you, I don't even think there was that much discourse on the site. I think it was solely about evaluating people's like psyches lists. Yeah. Willingness to fuck. Yeah. Group inclusion based on totally arbitrary criteria markers. Yeah. It reminds me of like over the early days of social media, when people would put in their profiles, like I love

movies and sushi and they would just like bear their whole, their whole, like they're like inner world to strangers on the internet. This was like before irony. So it was very like cringe and twee. Yeah. I feel like zoomers are maybe like, TikTok is extremely cringe. I've literally never gone on TikTok and I've never looked at Leia's best of TikTok. Sometimes. Yeah. That's my only exposure. That's same. I'm not a TikTok user, but I'm also such a boomer. I think I've said this before on this pod that I've only listened to like Instagram and TikTok videos with the sound on like a handful of times. Like I can count it on my hand. I never listened to step on. I don't want to hear the sound. They sound bad. Yeah. It's just like, I can't. So I

keep my sound off. I have no notifications. I'm like a real like turtle. Good for you. I can't for as much of a like online like shit poster as I am. You've really mellowed out since you Well, I don't care anymore. Yeah. I literally don't care. Yeah. Same. I was such an idiot and a spur before I like, it's like a really humbling experience with the fuck. What were you doing? Yeah. What am I doing? I'm such a loser. We've been on Twitter for so long. Yeah. For over a decade. Over a decade. We've been posting horrible. I'm such a fucking loser. Yeah. Well, there's, we can't help it. Sometimes I'm like, oh, I should tweet something. And then I'm like, I have absolutely nothing to say. It's not going to contribute to the discourse.

I don't even know what the discourse meaningless. I don't know what the discourse is. And I'm like, yeah, there's just a lot of people. I'm like blissfully out of touch guilty and like I would disappoint if I really was acting on my worst shitposting impulses. Yeah. You know, I like my manager. I don't want to upset him. I like your manager. He's trying to do the best he can for me. I don't need to make his job any harder by him. Does he listen to the pod? He does. Yeah. Great guy. You're a great guy. Really enjoyed talking to David. You have a great bedside manner. He does. He's a lovely man. I don't mind. I'm taking his counsel. It's for it. It's absolutely for the better. Yeah. There's nothing I have to gain from like

sending out of spicy hot take. Yeah. There's also like my, my manager, aka my baby. Yeah. He's got a great bedside manager. Yeah. Yeah. He doesn't stop grinding for me. So like, I, I just feel horribly guilty. Like even going on Twitter, let alone like sending a tweet when he's like on my tit. Yeah. Toxic. I'm just, he's like suckling at the tea and I'm like spelling out auto-gynophile or like saying it using, I have to, when I text now, I have to use the diction tool. Yeah. Cause that's a hard one. Yeah. Auto-gynophile. I feel like I could spell it on the first try. It's actually Charles Murray was right in the bell. I'm glad. I'm glad we didn't really know what's going on. Yeah. It feels great.

I feel like a weight has really been, been lifted. I'd highly recommend disengaging basically to anyone. Well now, I mean, actually now going on Twitter is fun because like I'll log on after the baby goes to bed like at night and look at what people are saying. And I have no idea. Like people are arguing over like this crazy minutiae and everybody sounds like really pseudo-intellectual. Yeah. Every once in a while, there's like a, some kind of unifying events that like, like, I mean, this was a while ago, but like the game stop stuff comes to mind, you know, where you're like, ooh, it's like kind of interesting to see how people are responding to something. But like, you know, today I looked and it was like,

BJ Novak is on some advert. Oh yeah. I saw that. I was like, I don't want to hear about that guy ever again. Yeah. It's like, what? This is like what's trending. Some Chinese people accidentally put BJ Novak on plastic Halloween packaging. There's gotta be something else going on. Yeah. I mean, there's nothing against BJ Novak. We love them. I don't know about that, but just kidding. Yeah. I see people using words like ontological and teleological on Twitter. And I just like zone in. A lot of words. A lot of words flying around on them. Yeah. They should lower the character limit back down to 140. Yeah. I think that they should make it like 40. Yeah, they should. Yeah. Short and sweet. You can just like, spell out the N word in all caps.

This is not banana. You have to go on that new site. Did you see that Facebook rebranded as meta and Mark Zuckerberg released like a super creepy video that was also part of the Twitter discourse today? I haven't really looked into it. I saw that. Yes. And I tried to watch the video, but it made me feel sick. Like once it cut into that conference room with the like anthropomorphic perverted, whatever. Like I couldn't even honestly look at it. And I hate looking at Mark Zuckerberg. He looks like a detransitioner. Oh my God. I'm sorry he does. Why? Cause he has like bitch tits. Cause he's skinny fat and hormotally imbalanced. No, he looks like he's recovering from being on a serious chemical regimen for many years, which is probably true. Honestly,

he's on something. Did you see the picture of Hillary Clinton, by the way? The one where she looks like the trad girl meme? She looks like, yeah, like she hasn't had adrena chroma in a long time. Yeah. And she has like white hair. Withering away and some, oh, yeah, that was, she's wearing like a bat sheba dress or something. Not her usual power suit. It looked really weird. It looked, it made me feel weird too. I think it's nice to experience social media like psychedelically in small spurts. Yeah. And you're like, no, that's Zuckerberg. Oh my God. All the demons from 2016 are coming out of the graves again. Yeah. But yeah, I thought that was like, who is that rebrand appealing to? A Facebook? Yeah. I don't get it. Like people who want the pandemic to never end.

Yeah, probably. It's like, we get it. You control the meta narrative. We get it. Yes, we understand. Anyway, you want to get into Judith Butler? Yeah. Sure. I hate Judith Butler. I hate Judith Butler. What a goblin. There's something like, you know, those memes also that have been circulating that are like evil so and so does this. I hate those. I don't get them. I'm too old to understand them. It's literally just kind of like the opposite of what the thing is. It's so thoughtless and it's easy. It's a it's a replicable mean format. No, but but Judith Butler is like evil Camille Poglia. Yeah, they are inverses of one another for sure. Yeah, because they're both like cool haircut architectural blazer lesbians, but one is on the side of good

and one is on the side of Satan. Yes. Yeah, I've always instinctively hated Judy Butler. Why? I've got to read her in college or women's college and like feminist philosophy classes and I never really. Yeah, I just because she's so stuffy and pretentious and like academic and her writing is just insanely boring and bad. She's not a good writer. This article, which is called what, hold on, let's pull up the article, something, something gender or something. Yes, my gender gender by Judith. Why is the idea of gender provoking backlash the world over? First of all, that's not true. In The Guardian, the paper of record, increasingly authoritarians are likening genderism to quote communism and totalitarianism.

And she cites some measures that have been taken in Hungary, Denmark, Denmark passed a resolution against excessive activism in academic research environments, including gender studies, race theory, post-colonial immigration studies, a court in Romania struck down a law that would have forbidden the teaching of gender identity theory struck down. So it didn't pass, but the debate there rages on. Trans free spaces in Poland have been declared by transphobes eager to purify Poland of corrosive cultural influences from the US and the UK. How many trans people live in Poland for God's sakes? I really do have to give her credit, Jay, but I have to give her credit here. This is one of the shorter and more legible things that I've read from her. Yeah, it was mercifully short,

but it, um, the points that she made in defense of gender studies or rather the indictment of what she calls like, um, anti-gender ideology. Well, no, Dasha, that's like the, that's the point. She's supposedly defending gender ideology, but really what she is defending is gender studies, her particular academic, her complete niche that's made her incredibly wealthy elites. Yeah. She's like in the top, she's like a academia one percent. I like, yeah, which is really pathetic, but still bag. Yeah. She's like, couldn't be higher up in a, in an ivory tower. Yeah. And it's like literally she lets it slip sometimes because ideology sounds very ominous and powerful, but studies, not so much. Yeah. Anti-gender, just the inelegance of even like

describing it as anti-gender ideology is like, I hate the word gender. That's her whole thing. It's, it's like, it's meant to kind of like confuse you into thinking. And there's one important point in the article, I think I took a screenshot of it, um, where she says, oh yeah, one could go on at length to explain the various methodologies and debates within gender studies, the complexity of scholarship and the recognition it has received as a dynamic field of study through the world. But that would require a commitment to education on the part of the reader and listener, given that most of these opponents refuse to read any material that might contradict their beliefs or cherry pick from complex texts to support a caricature. How is one to proceed?

Like literally like, I could tell you why gender studies is, um, dynamic and valuable, but you wouldn't even listen because you're a fascist. Yeah. And I need not even defend gender studies, but I could. I could go on and on. Well, yeah, this after she accuses the opponents of gender, um, not holding themselves to standards of consistency or coherence, which like, lol, that's you. That's exactly what you're doing. Yeah. Um, yeah. I want Lana to name check Judith Butler in one of her songs. Totally. Talking about gender like Judith Butler. She loves being a woman. Yeah. She believes in dimorphism. Um, the attacks on so-called gender ideology have grown in recent years throughout the world, dominating public debate stoked by

electronic networks and backed by extensive right wing Catholic and evangelical organizations. It's like, this is, of course, she begins with this classic leftist maneuver where they accuse their opponents preemptively of shit they're guilty of. It's like, Donald Trump is going to do a coup. Like that kind of shit. And then you take the sitting president. I'm sorry I'm harping on this. I know people hate that I'm like annoying and autistic about this, but how do you ban a sitting president from a social media platform and don't hit me with the, it's a private company bullshit. I know. I fucking wacky. Um, but it's like, yeah, the left liberal media, whatever you think of the right wing opposition, um, the left liberal media controls the electronic networks. You

don't get to lump electronic, uh, networks and ultra right organizations together when the ultra left controls all the media networks and the social media networks. And they literally cherry picking like obscure random foreign measures act like her particular, uh, her Metier or like fucking bread and butter is under attack. Yeah. Like a transgender youth are under attack by these weird shadowy pan European ultra right Christian nationalist organizations that are literally like petition, like go fund me sites. Yeah, which I looked into. We'll get some basic research. Um, but nice. It was, cause I was like, what is she talking about? Cause she doesn't name them initially. But, um, in my mind, like the, the conservative establishment is the controlled opposition.

The left wing fringe are the foot soldiers. Like, yeah, you are preaching to the choir and conveniently this article came out, um, the day that Kamala Harris tweeted out something called the White House's national strategy on gender equity and equality, which literally no one was asking for. Cause people want to know how their lives are going to be affected by like inflation and like supply chain breakdowns, you know, but what's, uh, what's happening with gender. Yeah. And it was like one of these like 12 point treatises on how like women women and girls and how we have to like bump them up and give them education. It's like in among the educated classes, women and girls now outpace men and almost all like across all fields and

in all metrics. So then yeah, then she says, um, the, the anti-gender ideology movement fears that men will lose their dominant positions or become fatally diminished. If we start thinking along gender lines, guess what bitch? That's already happy. Yes. They believe that children are being told to change genders are actively recruited by gay and trans people or pressure to declare themselves as gay and educational settings where an open discourse about gender is caricatured as a form of indoctrination. The fact that she can't admit that that's even a little bit true, that there are social incentives and that there are like, uh, um, unprecedented amounts of like young people transitioning because of gender ideology. Yeah. Or not even transitioning,

but like young people who are like very impressionable, memetic, like you'll have like three quarters of a class citing that they're like queer or non-binary or something. I like this part too, which is so bad faith. Although not always in accord, these groups concur that the traditional families under attack that children in classrooms are being indoctrinated to become homosexuals, that gender is a dangerous, if not diabolical ideology threatening to destroy families, local culture, civilization and even man himself. And it's funny that she brushes off the fact with this like really kind of flippant dismissive phrase, although not always in accord that these, uh, resistance organizations are not a unified block. Yeah. Like at best they are pan-European

associations funded by the Vatican and by Russian billionaires. But usually they're kind of more nationalist organizations in places like Hungary and Poland, which have already lost. Also mind your own fucking business that was going on in Poland, you dumb bitch. What does that have to fucking do with you? And the thing, well, and then this other lie that she spreads that people, that people shutting down gender ideology or worried that their children are being indoctrinated to become homosexuals, bullshit. Nobody's worried about that except maybe like a couple of Harry, palmed guys in Romania and Poland who hold hands homosocially with their platonic same sex friends. Anyway, nobody's worried about Lee Catholic. Yeah. People are worried that their

children are being indoctrinated to become perma clients of like a global biomedical regime where they're like perennially on the hook with big pharma. That's what they're worried about. They don't care about gender expression. Nobody cares how people, I mean, I understand that conservatives are like kind of farcically performatively obsessed with like boys playing with trucks and girls wearing like tiaras and this sort of shit, but like the underlying alarm is intuitively legitimate and has nothing to do with like gender play. Yeah. No, and she almost like elucidates this when she says for this reactionary movement, the term gender attracts condenses and electrifies a diverse set of social and economic anxieties produced by increasing economic precarity under

neoliberal regimes, intensifying social inequalities and pandemic shutdown. When gender is thus figured as a foreign invasion, which is like such a leap, bad faith leap and weird logic like conflating with like migrants. These groups clearly reveal that they are in the business of nation building. The nation for which they are fighting is built upon white supremacy. Skirt, what does that have to do with fucking anything? The heteronormative family and a resistance to all critical questioning of norms that have clearly restricted the freedoms and imperiled the lives of so many people. Like who three affluent, non-binary kids of transhumanist billionaires? I mean, and the thing is like the gender stuff, I think people also, I would say most ordinary people are very

tolerant of gender, non-conforming people in day-to-day life. And I think most ordinary normal people are very alarmed by the incursion of like the surveillance state and the pharma state into their daily lives. And they can comfortably like contain those two thoughts in their mind at the same time. But the gender stuff to me is just the tip of the spear. It's kind of like the moral battering ram through with which they will push through all sorts of other like dystopia and like tracking surveillance and medical developments. The revision, what does she use? But when she talks about sex reassignment surgery, she says like sex assignment can be revised. Yeah, that was really scary. I find her language to be, yeah, just to be very creepy, creepy butler. I think

she was arguing that if you are one of those people who was unfortunately born with the wrong sex that you can revise it later, but also nodding to the fact that if you decide that your original revision didn't work out, you can get a re-revision like one of those revision rhinoplasty, but it's like at what cost? I mean, it comes at like an immense physical and emotional toll. Like transitioning is not an easy or fun process. It's the completely intensive grueling process and de-transitioning is- It's not some like whimsical academic exercise that you're partaking in. Yeah, like language duty, which is that's really the thing is it's all so insular. Like she is so detached, she has no idea what's going on. Yeah. And she like this woman, I think probably identifies as a leftist, right?

And she knows this and yet she persists in selling people the same agenda that's like advocated by the architects of the great reset. It's the same agenda. And you know, by the way, the biggest patrons or should I say matrons of transgender ideology who fund the shit are, you know, Jennifer Pritzker and Martine Rothblatt, who are both transgender women, who are both billionaires and who are both on board with the transhumanist agenda. It like doesn't stop at gender. Nobody cares about gender. And like people like Judith Butler want to shame and blame people for being troglodytes. Yeah. And I don't even think she has consciousness of that because the cognitive dissonance would almost be too much for her to handle. Like she's so ivory towered. Yeah. That

she's been spinning her wheels in this totally pointless, incoherent, incomprehensible bullshit for so long. Yeah. That she can't like get her head out of her ass to actually say anything that means anything. Yeah. I wonder about that. Like it's a futile exercise, I guess, to speculate on a person's like motives or level of self-awareness, but I do, I mean, this amount of straw man and like bad faith arguments. It's yeah. Setting aside whatever you personally feel about like left versus right or pro LGBT, anti LGBT, pro abortion, anti abortion, just like like setting up an essay where you dismiss your opponents as like deliberately incoherent, but also like, yeah. And then you are yourself are like completely incoherent.

Well, that was always when I was in gender studies classes or all class, I guess. Yeah, she says, um, as a fascist trend, it mobilizes a range of rhetorical strategies from across the political spectrum to maximize the fear of infiltration and destruction that comes from a diverse set of economic and social forces. Too many words, Judy. It does not strive for consistency for its incoherence as part of its power. I was like, that's gender studies. That's literally gender studies. Yeah. Cause when I was in, yeah, when I was being like indoctrinated in my women's college into this form of ideology, it was like the, there was just a direct contradiction in the way that it was talked about where you had like the Butler, like gender is a social construct.

Yeah. Like for sure. Like I'm no, I'm into sociology. Like I get that. But then there's this other strain of like hyper liberal, like your gender is so like true and essential that you can't like, no one can like take it, take your gender identity away from you. Right. And those two things are like just kind of a mutually. Yeah. With one another. But yeah. And I think the gender stuff is just the most extreme and leading example of like liberal ideology in general, which is the normative dominant ideology again, against which all claims, all truth claims are vetted against. So, and making it into left versus right fascists. Yeah. This is like Judith Butler, like just obscures the fact that it's actually about the people in power and the rest

of us. And Judith Butler is one of the people in power. Well, this is why also they lead with this very kind of like moral sentimental, the transgender youths who are being deprived of precious resources and communities. It's like the Fauci, you know, people were like really angry because he was putting beagle puppies in like weird like glass holding tanks and letting sand flies eat away at them. And people were really upset about that. And I'm like, I'm an animal rights freak. So of course I was upset about it, but it was the worst thing I've ever heard. It's horrifying. Insanely evil. And I don't, I can't conceive it all of why that would be necessary. It's like, I'm not an expert, but that's that doesn't seem right. Just bear with us. This might unlock a powerful

experimental life saving therapy for terminal cancer patients. Sounds like an adrenochroma. Putting putting puppies in tanks with flesh eating flies. I can't even. Oh my god. Oh my god. I can't even think about it, but that in a way is like a deflection, a distraction from the enormous amount of bad he's done to people. Well, yeah, like millions of people across the globe, but the puppies really, but the same strategy that the, the gender warriors use. Like I saw this tweet a while back from one of the right wing accounts. I follow that really like annoyed and frustrated me. The pandemic and transsexuality are both manifestations of the pharmaceutical industrial complex. And I was like, okay, no shit. Sure. Look, but even like relatively smart people

are like either unable or unwilling to take it to its logical, very damning conclusion that the transgender stuff being the most extreme example provides the sentimental framework that forces you to either accept or deny all the other creepy biomedical interventions. And if you deny it, you're on the wrong side of history. And in fact, you're evil. It's an appeal to like liberal sentimentalism. Like it's kids and cages, but they're transgender kids and cages. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? So I like, so when they conflate and in that, and in that, yeah, very liberal way by appealing to individualism. Yeah. And it's like, who are these people? By the way, it's like Judith Butler and a bunch of like blue checks who decided to

transition when they were a fucking creep. Yeah. She's a liar and a loser. Like, but it's like these guys who decided to transition when they were like 35 or 40. Yeah. Because they had citing trauma when in fact they had affluent, overly permissive parents who neglected them by enabling them. And they want to like literally valor steal from poor black prostitutes on the street. Yeah. They want to conflate that spectrum of experience into one thing. Yeah. Like I'm traumatized too. Yeah. And what was that example that we talked about on this line where she says they believe that children are being told to change genders are actively recruited by gay and trans people are pressured to declare themselves as gay and educated settings were an open discourse

about genders caricatured as a form of indoctrination. I mean, there are plenty of examples of this. We talked about one on our pod that that New York Times article on sex work legislation that Brace got in trouble for. Right. Yeah. Where these two transgender sex workers found some poor homeless kid and told her that she can't get a real job because people like her are discriminated against and therefore she has to like sexually panhandle for the rest of her life. And of course one can, as she says, like cherry pick examples like that. But that's exactly what she's doing when she talks about these anti-gender reactionary activists that are similarly like kind of fringe straw man that she's building up to make it seem like her institution is being

besieged when it's simply not. Yeah. And it's, it's, I mean, I think it's like really creepy and diabolical to talk about the anti-gender ideology movement when there is no such movement. Yeah. When the dominant ideology, except for maybe in Hungary and Poland, which once again, mind your own fucking business, which, but they've already lost whatever you think of them. They're like lone holdouts in a global homo world. They're going to be taken over sooner or later. Yeah. They don't stand a chance. They can, you know, keep up their anti-LGBT and anti-abortion measures, you know, for only so long. And whatever liberal berserkly bubble Judith Butler lives in, it's definitely not an issue. And it hasn't been for a long time. Yeah. And like this idea, I mean,

even her point that you mentioned that like they fear that like men will lose their dominant positions. It's like, well, they've already lost their dominant positions. Why do you think so many of them are transitioning? Because like your only two options are like, you know, because like your only two options are like trans, blue check or domestic terrorist. Yeah. And gender studies with its preoccupation on victimization. Also, of course, it's like when we talk about gender, we're never talking about masculinity. It's yeah, nobody, nobody ever talks about there's very seldom. Yeah. Nobody cares about them. Um, but even, even so like cis, cis men, you know, ought to also be part of our like the dynamic

field of gender studies. That's the worst part to me is where she Yeah, tries to read won't even get into why it's, um, viable and valuable. But the list could be the list could go on and on. But why should she have to explain to a fascist? It's like, I mean, this article, I guess is in the Guardian. So it's like, she's preaching to the choir, but I know, I know, it's also crazy to like, we're just spinning, you know, just like setting aside whatever you personally even think about like transgenderism or gender ideology. No amount of like selling or pitching will ever make something called gender studies seem interesting.

No, they should ban it. It's bullshit. It's bullshit. It's fucking bullshit. I'm sorry. I love gay shit. Yeah, I love it. I like theory too. Yeah, we love gay shit. We love theory in, yeah, I'm a little bookworm bitch too, but but gender studies just seems like a particularly like boring and annoying academic It just becomes so irrelevant and bloated and like, you know, I don't know. Yeah, I'd rather just like smoke crack with a bit of shrieking gaze and trans it girls at a party. I don't need to like learn about it in a textbook.

But Lana has the right idea. There has never been a better time to be a woman. Being a woman is so great that even men want to do it now because you just like being a woman means never having any responsibility or getting to like offload. It's funny you say that because I actually when I was listening to the Lana album, I was I had this I guess narcissistic feeling where I was like, it's so hard being a woman as I was literally like taking ass selfies and like lying in my bed looking out the window. I was like, God, it is hard. And in Lana's case, I think, and you've talked about you made this point before that she's sort of reckoning with like being a successful woman and the

diminishment of her like romantic prospects and, you know, there are things that are very hard about being a woman. But yeah, I mean, that's a that's a thing that I'm to apps don't really have to reckon with those particular challenges typically. With what romantic? No, no, no, I mean like fertility and stuff. No, good for them. Honestly. Yeah, they get all the good parts and none of the all the like inextricable stuff about womanhood. Like, well, yeah, like all the all the painful, annoying, tedious stuff. I mean, like, okay, my feeling about the more successful you get as a woman, the your romantic prospects do start to dwindle not so much because being conventionally

successful is unattractive in a woman, but that it just doesn't add value as it does in a man. Yeah. And men are, you know, to circle back are increasingly less and less successful. So there's just less people to sort of match. And like the successful men are happy dating a stripper cocktail waitress, they don't need you to be a top executive at like an Instagram cosmetics company. Right, right. Like they don't give a shit. No. If you're a girl. In fact, they prefer that you are not a girl boss. Well, if they're yeah, well off enough. Exactly. And, you know, those are the kind of men I suppose that most women want, but people like Judith Butler necessarily have to dwell in the past and pretend that these kind of old battles like the patriarchy,

the Vatican and the Vatican and nationalism. Yeah. Nationalism is a laughing stock. It's been thoroughly trounced by globalism. The conflation of gender studies, gender ideology with communism. Yeah. It's also so it's, yeah, it's, it's an interesting read honestly, because it's, it is fascinating the way that she is doing exactly what she accuses her opponents of doing. Right. Yeah. And I think like when it is, yeah, it's like a kind of like it should be printed out and we have to know a museum archive somewhere. When we say stuff like this, our younger and more passionate listeners assume that we are endorsing conservatism. And my position is that there is no endorsement of conservatism because conservatism has lost. Yeah. Like this is the great reset is

upon us, whether you like it or not. Yeah. Yeah. Speaking truth to power does not look the way that Judith Butler likes to imagine it does. Pretend it does. Yeah. In her leather sleeve, asymmetrical theory blazer. That's the main thing that I like about Judith Butler. She still dresses like it's 2010. She likes those like architectural cuts and I like her haircut. I've seriously considered bringing her hair cut to like a, she's kind of a hairdresser in a, in a crunchy, severe way, I suppose. But I just, I couldn't, I never liked her. Yeah. Cause she's a liar. She has that same. She's a liar. She's not funny. She's not interesting. Yeah. She has the same. Like I, even people I disagree with, I appreciate if they're funny. Yeah. God. Like Christopher

Hitchens or somebody or Ann Coulter, like they're funny. Yeah. Tell a joke, bitch. But she just seems like, well, she's, yeah, she's a, she's a liar in the way that like Moira Donoghan is a liar. Exactly. Exactly. And like everybody can feel it. And like I said, I, I, I did some basic investigative research into the organizations that she cites, which by the way, no one has ever heard of. Of course. And she wants us to believe that that's because they're so far reaching debate, raging in Romania. Right. The debate rages on. Yeah. And she's going to pretend that she really just like cares about all of those like Romanian women and girls who are like being oppressed or whatever. But, um, these are all basically gypsy gender, clear European, like

pan European Christian networks. Citizen Go was one of them, which is like an online hub for conservative petitions that launched in Spain in 2010. This already sounds like so small, fries and pathetic. It's basically like 11 years ago. Yeah. And it's like a right wing, like move on.org or change.org, which like, why can't conservatives have their own little petition sites? What's wrong with that? They're not entitled to like, why can't they talk about their issues? And well, that is the, that is the Butler, that is Butler's implication, right? Is that there's like one way forward. There's one like correct progressive ideology. Yes. But progressing towards why? Yeah, that's where, that's where she loses me. Yeah. Yeah. And that

conservatives, yeah, don't have a right morally to even espouse their beliefs. Doesn't sit right with me. No, it's freakish. Like what is the future is everybody like, um, being like a gender goblin and eating vegan meats, because that's the only thing available. Otherwise, and she'll still be evoking some like threat of totalitarianism when it's like, it's arrived, babe. It's, yeah, it's very like handmade tail, her whole shtick. It reminded me like the human centipede is not a horror film. It's a documentary about leftism. Yeah. Like they want everybody asked to mouth eating like meat substitutes. And like that's the future, whether you like it or not, there's no point even protesting it. Yeah. Sign as many petitions as you want. You'll own nothing and

you'll be happy. You'll do ask to mouth and you'll like it. Somebody should photoshop that onto that eyes wide shut card. That's really good. Yeah. You know, the American psycho meme where he's like looking at the business is like they, there's a lot of good variations of that. I'm just, I'm glad American psycho is kind of back in the, in the site guys. Yeah. Anyway, um, do you have any, um, I'm looking at my other, uh, I look at my other quotes. Oh yeah, we've done an hour and a half. Oh yeah. I don't really need to talk about Alec Baldwin. I was like thinking of some hot takes with the nose like this whole thing is just like sad all around. You want to just skip it? Yeah. Unless you have something riveting to say, I feel bad that like,

it's awful. I didn't even really read about it because it kind of made me sad. Yeah. He like killed this like young, beautiful, Slavic woman who had come to this country and married and like got in a job, was living the American dream, which is increasingly harder and harder to do. Yeah. And this is all happening kind of on the heels of the IATC strike activity and stuff and sort of underscore is a lot of problems in the film industry, especially on sets related to like poor working conditions. And, uh, I did see there is this really specific kind of person who loves to talk about how they've been on movie sets and they all came out in full force to be like, well, when I know that like, you would never, you'll load a prop gun, like all of a sudden everyone's

like a fucking expert on like prop gun handling and like movie set dynamics. It's like, we get it. Okay. When I'm at the crafty table, when I get my call time to come to set and I go to the crafty table and I see it, it's like, okay, let's, yeah, I see those people around here all the time because they're always shooting some like, I don't know. Hashtags. Hashtags that life. It is invigorating. I definitely like do like to be on a set. Of course. Those Haddad trucks. Yeah. The Haddad trucks. My honey wagon. What's that? That's what they're called. That's cute. That sounds very sexy because they're not a real trailer. It's like, it's they're like these little cubicles basically that you would sit in and wait to go to set in my honey wagon. That sounds like a Lana lyric. Lana's a

honey wagon. And they're always like being super annoying with their clipboards. Like you're sitting in the park in the morning having a coffee and like, excuse me, we're filming here. It's a tough job, but it was against this backdrop of like a union crew member walkout. Yeah. There was a ton of problems on set on which Alec Baldwin was also a producer. Yeah. So even if the incident wasn't like directly his fault, he still was is basically implicated in this horrible thing that happened. It's not, well, it's not his fault. And I don't think he shouldn't have been making fun of Donald Trump. Yeah, that and he shouldn't be playing an outlaw in a Western. He's too affluent fat. He's not very convincing. Like we get it. You can grow a beard,

go for you, but head of hair. But I think like also the reaction has to do with the fact that everybody can also intuitively sense just like that Meghan Markle is an evil bitch. They can sense that Alec Baldwin is a hateful and mean spirited person who would be capable of such a thing. Yeah. And this was totally an accident and not his fault, but like he totally could. Yeah. Maybe he's killed before. Well, there was that movie with Jennifer Jason Lee where he forgot what it was called. I watched it recently where he plays like a murderous sociopath. Oh, interesting. I forgot. She was like really hot. He's able to access those those emotions. Yeah. Yeah. The saddest thing was seeing

those photoshopped statements from Donald Trump that were all fake when I was just like wishing they were real. But I don't think they were. When I first heard of heard about it, I did one of my immediate thoughts was like, can't wait for 45 to weigh on this one. Also a general kind of like illustrating example of how everything when it becomes falling apart, it's falling apart. It's like low budget. Everybody's cutting corners. There's been a general decline in competence and quality across the board. Yeah. The great reset. Anyway, see you at home. Except for Lana. Yeah.