Red Scare - Canceled Over the Country Club

Episode Date: January 16, 2021

The ladies discuss Armie Hammer's cannibalism sexting scandal, Lana Del Rey's

Okay, we're back. We're back. That's cool. What's up, Anna? Nothing. Just discussing business. We're just talking shop, yeah, about our housekeeping, fantastic empire. I started doing TRET, I texted you about it.

Oh, you got it? Yeah, I got it. When did you start it? Like, I'm doing every other day, so like a week ago. Okay, what's your concentration? 0.05. Okay. I got it from like a shady Indian online pharmacy.

Okay. I had to like wire the money to get it. Are you flaking it? Yeah, my skin definitely does feel dry, but I feel like it's working. Yeah, I personally, like I said, I'm getting ready for all the future marketing we're going to do for other stuff in the future. I personally feel like it's worth dealing with the pain of like four to six weeks of flaking.

Yeah, it's not so bad. Yeah. It's not so everybody looks like a crackhead now. What do you mean? Like if you start flaking really badly, everyone, like I was just outside everyone on the train, everyone is flaky. On the street looks like shit. Yeah.

It's winter. It's a good time to take care of it. Plus I'm obsessed with moisturizing, so I don't think it'll get too bad. Yeah, you just like. I have nothing else to do. Yeah, there's nothing but focusing on your skin. But I'm looking forward to being poreless and perfect. Yeah, it's great in six weeks or so.

It really, it really takes you to like another level. I mean, I have like a very generally shitty mediocre, poor immigrant skin, but the trap really helped. Well, people started speculating that you had work done after you did try it. Yeah, I've literally never had work done. I swear to God. I've been murdered here for folks. I believe you.

No, I haven't. I mean, I'm like so scared of, I'm not even a noble person. I don't have like some ethnic crusade where I want to honor my past. I mean, I pretend I do, but I'm just like scared of going under the knife. Yeah. Well, filler is a Botox count, but. Well, okay, my thing with fillers is I'm convinced that they cause autoimmune disease. Why do you think that?

Well, cause I think fillers and implants cause like, I remember watching real housewives in like, I don't know, 2016 in Yolanda, yeah, the mother, she has chronic Lyme, she manufactured this whole yarn about having chronic Lyme's because one of her breast implants burst in her sternum. I swear to God, there was an arc where she had to get one of her breast implants repaired. I'm not making this up, but fillers, don't you think? Well, Kim Kardashian is a great example. She has fillers all over her body, right?

Cause she has like ass fillers. Yeah. And she has, she's always talking about her struggles with autoimmune diseases and she has psoriasis and stuff like that. And Kim's actually a person who has really naturally good skin. Yeah. Well, I feel like some, I always see ads for psoriasis on TV. Yeah.

I feel like every like third ad is like for a different psoriasis medication and I'm like, does everyone just have psoriasis? I think that that's also a factor of obesity. I think obesity causes psoriasis and eczema. Wow. It's like an opportunistic kind of second order. Double threat. Yeah.

I mean, all medication on TV now is medication to combat the sides of other medication, the side effects of other medication that you're taking to combat your obesity or like diabetes. Right. It's like really horrible. But I think, I mean, I'm sure like fillers are like a tiny fraction of it, but I'm sure also that like way more people have fillers now than they did like 10 years ago. Definitely. They're cheaper and more widely available.

Yeah. Um, I, I just, I'm an expert on fillers and an expert on AIDS, both of which I don't have. I love this kind of like spur research. Yeah. Um, but like, I, I really think that like injecting barely studied like industrial grade chemicals into your body all the time cannot be good for you. For sure.

Definitely. There's no way. I'm going to judge a mental way because I'm not opposed to it. Yeah. I'm on a moral level. Like who am I to judge? I could get some well-placed fillers, but where, where would you get under my eyes? Cause my under eye circles are just getting darker.

I think. And I don't want to get my liver. Thank you. Anna. That's nice. But I've seen it done. Definitely. Like in a subtle, skillful way where I'm like, wow, yeah, that would be nice.

I think it's just scary because once you go there, you can never really go back and then, I mean, I don't know, I'm sure that I'm not saying that everyone who gets fillers is going to have like some autoimmune disease, but I think you're going to see the rates rise and you're going to see a link. And it's like a very kind of, nobody wants to study this, of course. And if they have studied it, they don't want to publicize it because it's an incredibly lucrative industry. For sure.

And so you have a captive medicalized population who's getting fillers. And then on top of that, if some fraction of those people develop autoimmune disease, then they're doubly captive to the medical industry. I think it's all like, I'm on my, like, conspiracy theory. Oh my God. Mark Crispin Miller over here. Q and R. Yeah.

No, that's smart. That's, I think, my instincts tell me not to get, to get fillers, so. Yeah. I'm not going to. I don't, I mean, I think like you could in like 10 or 15 years is every, you know, like I probably will when I'm like older and start to like really see like. But at that point, yeah, I don't know. I just think like I look at old movies and women were so much better before because they

were like more imperfect, but they looked like human beings. Yeah. Totally. And like, they're like all the, I like all the Romer girls, you know, and they're all very different, but they're all so beautiful. Totally. You're right. And now everybody looks like an army hammer.

I like can't. I feel like I have like face blindness with army hammer, like I actually don't know what he looks like. He's so white bread. Yeah. And like I couldn't really describe his facial features even though. I want. Yeah.

I want somebody to like explain. Recognize him. If I saw him. I think I. Yeah. I think he was some random like stuff. I wouldn't think twice. Yeah.

One or zero. Yeah. Yeah. I'm going to have to go zero. Yeah. He's just like shy of the cutoff. I think. Yeah.

Just seems like it would be even like if he wasn't a fake cannibal or whatever people are mad at him about. Yeah. Even if he had like normal sexual proclivities, I think no. Yeah. I think he's. But I especially don't want to be his like slave or whatever. Not.

He just like asks you to like sever your toenails and carry it around in a vial. Okay. Angelina Jolie. What do you think that's so I guess if someone, if you don't know, if you don't read page six, which has been having a field day with the army. I noticed. Woman leaked her map Facebook and like Instagram DMs with army hammer. Okay.

And he describes his BDSM Dom fantasies that veer into his like cannibalistic urges. And then an ex-girlfriend of his came out and said that, yeah, he told her that he quote wanted to barbecue and eat her. Let me find the quote. He said, he wants to break my rib cage and barbecue and eat it up. App founder Courtney. Woosica bitch told exclusively told page six. Fuck, that was weird, but you never think about it again.

She said overlooking the odd behavior at the time. He says, I want to take a bite out of you. If I had a little cut on my hand, he'd like suck it or lick it. That's about as weird as we got. He likes the idea of skin in his teeth. She claimed maybe you should start biting his own nails. I don't know. Um, I don't know who he reminds me of.

I realize first of all, I don't even know. Like, I guess he's an actor. I like resent having to know who this guy is. Uh, call me by your name. Is that the Timothy shallow? Yeah. Okay. I have to watch this movie.

It's good. I'll give it a try. Maybe I'll give it a try tonight. It's very adventurous. It's very romantic. It's very romantic. We're all going stir crazy. Yeah, definitely.

The army hammer feels like a Psyop like first me to then BLM. And now army hammer, like the fact that we have to like constantly know about all this like weird random shit. Like, yeah, it's like page six having a field day. I feel really bad for like the losers that have to write these articles. They seem like they're having a good time. Uh, I've noticed like there's a lot of like, flourishes in the reporting that I enjoy.

Yeah, I guess they have to create kind of invent, uh, points of interest and excitement for themselves. Well, Bella Thorn, Yeah, came to his defense. Yeah. And said, I honestly can't believe this. People are crazy to fake this kind of shit. Poor guy and his kids, like leave him and his family alone.

No way he's a freaking cannibal. You don't say. She added also there's a million fake screenshots going around, which is true. It's probably true. Like it's very easy and the way that we're all like inundated with just like visual information for the truth to get distorted. And, you know, who knows if he's even said that stuff.

I feel like he has. I think he has. And, you know, um, previous comments he had made about his. Rough sex life. He once said, um, I did like the, the Daily Mail had to describe who the Marquis de Saade was. Oh, right. He said he was his dream dinner guest.

He'd love to dine with de Saade. He'd love to pick his brain. Like you're just like such a wonderful writer. If I could just like pick your brain. It's actually a good army hammer impression. Oh, I didn't even, I don't even know what he said. He sounds like a deep. Okay.

He sounds like a guy who would identify as like a sapiosexual, but this is upping the ante a little. But I realized who he reminded me of because I was like literally like Googling what he looked like and deciding whether he was a one or a zero. Yeah. And I was like, I like literally like this guy is like if you combine like young Alec Baldwin with like Chris Pratt with the other Chris, whatever, and like every major kind of like dusty, dirty blonde actor

with like piercing baby blues and but like he doesn't have it. Yeah. He lacks any sort of like he's almost handsome. Yeah. But like, he's just so vacuous. That's why he's into BDSM because it's such a like corny kind of shallow practice.

Yeah. I think ultimately. He should join Antifa. It'll give him a kind of worthy cause and political meaning. Yeah. All that brute force. Yeah. I mean, I also, I texted you this, but if you name someone army hammer,

like of course they're going to be a brutal freak. Yeah. Retard. Yeah. No. And I texted you. I was like, oh, I had to Google because I was like, oh, is he a member of like this dynasty?

Or is he just like the product of some weird freaks who gave him a retarded name? And then I realized that he's actually they like had a reason. Yeah. He reminds you like his whole like shtick reminds you of this guy that I used to hang out with who went by the name of Armin hammer because he was Armenian, like Armin, not Armon. And who used to like a smoke crack and steal like a women's handbags at night clubs and stuff like that.

Sounds fun. I mean, he was like crazy and retarded. Yeah. He just seems like he has a screw loose, but like in a non exciting way. Yeah. He's like discount hunter Biden. Um, totally. He has none of the charm or mystique of hunter at all.

But you know who he reminded me of? I realized he looks a little bit like Will Sasso with like bariatric surgery. Remember that guy from MTV? Yeah. Of course. I remember Will Sasso. Actually that guy's the one on the binary. He's really hot.

I find it. Will Sasso. I think he's hot. I know what you mean. I don't. I actually don't find James Gandolfini to be hot. I don't think Tony Soprano is hot. I want to, I want to dispute that myth.

You're more of a Will Sasso girl. Because he sounds, he seems funny. Yeah. He has a good natured, but also kind of like he has a dark side. I mean, especially the fat ones. I like fat guys. I've gone on the record about that before. Yeah.

On this podcast, we hate fat women, but love fat men. It's a total double standard. My hot take on the army hammer stuff is that he's really just doing like 50 shades of gray pandering, which women famously love. It's one of the most successful franchises. Yeah. And you know, on Instagram and Facebook, you can like unsend your messages. So I feel like even if these are real screenshots, they've been like the, they're, we're not

seeing what the women, women were saying in response, which I bet was like, yeah, women a lot like this kind of shit, like the kind of women who want to fuck army hammer. They think also like, like 50 shades of gray, which famously was like a Twilight, Twilight fan fiction. Twilight. And in Twilight, Bella can't have sex with Edward the vampire because he'll literally kill her. So I was going to say, because she has vaginas, isn't it hard?

Because they're lesbians type. But so I feel like this is, I'm not like defending him because I don't care. But I just feel like women love this shit and they're being really disingenuous and like all of this kind of controversy and all the cannibalism stuff is just him being like a try hard and like, yeah, I love you so much. You're gonna have to run so fast to get away from me when I'm racing after you to rape you and bite you. Yeah.

Women love rape fantasies. Of course. Like they love to hear, you know, they want to, they want to hear about how some guy is going to lock them in a trunk or put them in one of those large IKEA bags and carry them around. The ladies love it. Like, please. Um, I, I read some page six article about, um, that was like an interview with that Courtney,

whatever. Slavic name. Yeah. Wucha bitch, whatever is bitch, the neoliberal girl boss. What app would she start? I don't know. Make a tutorial app. That sounds interesting actually.

Um, but like, I was like reading this, by the way, that woman, that woman is a cautionary tale about why you should not get filler. She looks like a freak. It's just like too much. This is the thing too. Like people lose sight of reality and go overboard. And there's this like uncanny valley thing that all influencers have where they look like they previously had no face, you know, cause they're like kind of like normal cute

but bland looking people. And then they end up with like this weird like reptile face, but she says he enters your life in such a big way. He's such a captivating person. Um, he has such a presence and he's aware of that and he uses it in such a way that most women would think, Oh my gosh, this is amazing, especially young women. That's kind of the scary part. How good he is at active manipulation and making you feel like he's never felt this

way about anybody. It's called courtship. Yeah. I'm sorry. Yeah. Like this, these are clearly seem to me to be consensual kind of kinky exchanges. I don't think army hammer is like tormenting unwitting Patrick Bateman women like driving like nails through their nips or something.

No, he was like literally sending corny try hard texts. He sounds like a wannabe provocateur and edge lord. He also sounds like a guy who, um, really like he's like a classic cocked eyebrow finger pistols male actor who's like constantly again hitting the wall of the limits of his own intellect. I know. Like he just sounds like a dipshit and also this guy, this type of guy is only captivating if you're like a young influencer, star fucker, no normal woman would find him captivating.

It's an app for, it's like Uber, but for stylists. Like you can call a stylist to your house. Her hair, makeup and photography, they like take glamour shots of you. It's called flashed. Okay. So you call, you can, you can summon a glam squad to your apartment. A hair stylist, a makeup artist or a photographer. Yeah.

Exactly. And then you can make them take pictures of you like three Kemsley style in your apartment. We should try. We can say we're doing research for the pod. Yeah. It's a tax write-off. Um, just like a summon some like sinister homosexuals and like a fat girl with quirky blue hair to your house where there's like, do a photo shoot and there's just like a mouse

feces. Like a wilting flowers. I fucked up a bar. Um, that's not a bad idea though. It is a bad idea for us to do it. I mean, the app is a horrible idea. I think it sounds like it's for like fashion bloggers, but fashion bloggers have not existed since like at least 2010.

Yeah. Or like Kardashian culture, like when they always have to do some photo shoot for no reason. Yeah. And just like stock photos of them eating salad. Um, also these people, by the way, rich people have a lot of plastic in their home. Like you look at Courtney Kardashians can get pantry and there's just like plastic containers and they always like display their cereal prominently. What's up with that?

What you mean on TV? Yeah. Probably spawn spawn. But like if I was rich, like my whole like ethos aspiration in life is to like hide as much shit as I can behind closed doors. You would do like a minimal, very Japanese austere. Yeah. I wouldn't have like high and Tupperware displaying like cookies and cereal.

Yeah. It just looks tacky. Yeah. And then they love that like, like all of their furniture looks like outdoor furniture, you know? Cause it's plastic. Yeah. It's so weird.

And like everything in like America is so like oversized. Yeah. I'm mentally preparing myself because I'm going to New Jersey tomorrow for the first time in like five years to visit my mother. Oh, wow. Yeah. I mean, she's been, I've seen her. She's been here.

Yeah. Yeah. But you haven't sojourned home in a bit. Yeah. And everything's bigger in New Jersey. So I hear. Yeah. It's like bigger houses, bigger stores, bigger things are bigger all over the place, wider

expanses. Yeah. I'm ready to feel like a Japanese person. Yeah. Um, but like, where were we? Oh yeah. Armie Hammer. She's, anyway, this woman goes on.

She says he did some things with me that I wasn't comfortable with. For God knows what reason. He convinced me that these things were okay and he put me in some dangerous situations where I was not okay, where he was heavily drinking. Like, so you went to like a bar or a club where he was heavily drinking. That's what it sounds like. Or he was probably drinking up in the home. Yeah.

And he did his COVID times. Yeah. Also, if you read the fine print, these people dated from June to August, which is what you can count as dating. He was, um, yeah, her, her slave. She declined his slave brother to name the sexual acts that they did, because she didn't want them to overshadow the toll that Hammer's emotional abuse took on her. I'm okay.

We were barricaded for three hours. And he also, I guess in response to this claim that he was stepping away from some rom-com that he's shooting with JLo. Yeah. He graciously stepped down and claims that Lionsgate supports him. That's a lie. But obviously he was asked to. Yeah.

Um, I bet he'll work again. I feel like he'll bounce back from this. Honestly, it's just going to, women probably want to be enslaved by him even more now that he's a high-profile, dumb, divorcee, women love a man who's like getting divorced. And so he, on this finsta of his, that he really shouldn't be posting on Finsta because it's just going straight to Page Six. He posted a video of him in the Cayman Islands with like a lingerie clad lady in his bedroom, like on all fours.

And then he posted a picture of him vaping and captioned it when you realized they don't test for DMT on drug tests. And he's midlife crisis, wipe out style, divorce posting. Yeah. That's what it sounds. It sounds like he's trying to, I mean, my take on this is that he's whipping up some press for himself in cahoots with like Page Six in the Daily Mail and also like trying to spite his wife publicly and like rubber face in it.

Yeah. I think all these people, like every person who appears in the Daily Mail consistently has some sort of profit sharing arrangement with them. I mean, that's just PR. Yeah. I mean, I think these people like, I don't think, I mean, I'm sure, like it's probably like almost uniformly true. They just like leak stories to tabloids and then complain about it.

It's like how celebs, it's modern day celebrity for you, but it's also bleak because it's like a losing battle because nobody cares, like nobody actually cares about Armie Hammer. We're only discussing it because we need something to talk about. Well, everyone's talking about it because I need something to talk about, you know. Some people, it's definitely generating discourse. It's creating content, which is all that's really asked of any of us. Just to keep the content coming. Yeah, the content.

Is he a decent actor? He, I liked Call Me By Your Name. Okay. He was good in it. And he's good in it. Yeah. I mean, he's not great. I don't know.

He doesn't. I don't, yeah. I think Normie's probably really care about Armie Hammer a lot. That's true. Yeah. I guess I don't appreciate your karmic retribution is going to be to get cast in a project with Armie Hammer, I'm pretty sure. I started watching The Bachelor and it's made me kind of reflect on how the wide swaths

of demographics that are out there that I have no idea how they conduct their lives or what they actually care about. Like which ones? Like the people on The Bachelor, you know. Who are the people on The Bachelor? They're just kind of like, well, they're all star fuckers, basically. They're all trying to get famous, obviously. So they're all like event coordinators or like they have like weird fake jobs and they

live in like, I don't know, Studio City and stuff. There's an Ethiopian girl on it this season who's moderately interesting. It's really brain-dead stuff. I like, you know, but it feels, it feels good. Yeah. And I guess people really care about The Bachelor because if you go to like a supermarket. Yeah. There's always like magazine covers of people from The Bachelor and they somehow their facial

features are always like clustered in the middle third of their face. I don't know why, but like that, that's a commonality for people in The Bachelor. Yeah. They always have like kind of a Senpaku eye and they're smiling a little too aggressively. Yeah, they're like hot, but there's something much like Armie Hammer and he's like hot, but there's just something. Yeah. Yeah.

There's always something like weird and like those people actually do seem like they'd like Michael Alagu in a bathtub because they're so committed to becoming famous or something. Right. Yeah. The people you have to worry about aren't DMing about, they're not sending DMs that say, I'm 100% a cannibal. I'm a sexual cannibal. What's your IQ?

What do you think the pathology is though with the cannibalistic kind of desire? What do you mean? What do you think Armie Hammer has, like what's psychosexually, I guess, if you want to psychoanalyze him and be like... I mean, I think you were sort of on the money in that he knows it's like a gag that women fall for, especially the type of women that he's attracting. Because he's a ferocious. Yeah.

And like all these people at the end of the day are wet paper towels, so they have to like develop weird... Alborot kinks. Yeah, kinks and they like to do like adrenaline junkie type activities. Yeah. Right. You know, Eli said to me yesterday when we were planning our trip to New Jersey, like why don't we go to the beach?

And I was like, that's disgusting. You're crazy. Why would I go to the beach? This is like a way too much of a kind of like extreme activity for me. It's like going on a roller coaster or rock climbing. It's going to be blisteringly cold and uncomfortable. I hate going to the beach when it's sunny and warm. Why would I go to the beach in the middle of winter?

I also don't really love the beach. It sucks. We're not... The beach is not for slobs. I... There's... Yeah. I don't...

I never liked it, even as a kid. Yeah. And I was like, you sick American freak. I thought I knew you. I like to go once a year. Yeah, me too. I go to the beach day and I'm like, that's nice because I like to tan. I like a pool.

Yeah. I love a pool. Yeah. I'm not averse to like water leisure, but yeah, but like, you know why I go to the beach to convince myself and other people that I'm normal. It's a social signaling mechanism. No more, no less. Yeah.

If it was up to me, I wouldn't be frequenting any beaches and like you always go with like a gang of like, you know, four to seven people and throw down some towels and I'm just like, I'd rather be like at Klando with you guys and wearing a leather trench coat, not at the beach. I'm sorry. We're aligned in that. Yeah. In that controversial tag.

Yeah. I don't know. Hiking, camping. Camping, I hate. Yeah. Like I just hate the thought of it. Like why? What are you trying to prove?

You know? Yeah. I think, but I think like this is like Armie Hammer's mentality that he just, he's kind of, you know, trying to be edgy and extreme and cool. Yeah. He probably goes skydiving. I don't think he believes in his own kinks. I don't think he knows what he likes or wants actually.

Yeah. He's just obsessed with his own kind of like feeling of power. Yeah. I mean, I think that's just an extension of that for him, I guess. Well, I think that that's the secret that actually this guy's kind of like a useless jiggalo, like this Courtney woman claimed that at the end of the day, he manipulated her into like paying for shit for him. And also his wife is four years older and seems like she was kind of cracking the whip.

I think he's just like, yeah, like a cabana boy. Yeah. Damn. Like that's my read on him. He's not like a kind of a paternal, like patriarchal authoritative male figure. He's not a daddy. That's for sure. Yeah.

He's like a pretty boy who like, you know, I feel like he's like John Berger's description of women who like to watch themselves being watched. Yeah. Like that's him. Right. And it's all like a defense mechanism really for how powerless he knows he actually is. Yeah. And he has to like use this really intense rhetoric of like, and you will obey me and

I will eat you and maybe I'll spank you and pull your hair or something crazy. I'm liable to do anything. Yeah. Like if some guy said, I wanted to, I want to eat you. I would just assume he was like making a conolingous joke or something. Yeah. I'd love you so much. I'd love for you to have me inside of you.

Yeah. And then if it turned out that he was alluding to cannibalism, I would just think he was corny. I wouldn't even be fearful. Yeah. But I don't know how this, these kind of milk toast, am I saying that right? Yes. Allegations turned then into allegations of emotional abuse and manipulation.

Well, yeah, because he's scorned a lot of, a lot of bitches probably. Yeah, well, the most kind of damning, the girl who leaked the original DMs, she posted this one, I'm going to read it. He said, but I want to talk. I feel like the same way you are on one side of the slave spectrum. I am on the other side of the master spectrum and I can't ever imagine another slave. And then she on Instagram like wrote over and said, literally had multiple slaves when he said this lie.

And that's really the sums it all up for me is it's like, she's mad that he had other slaves. Yeah. These girls all sound like they're mad that he was like fucking around with a lot of different other girls, which like, he's a 34 year old actor, why wouldn't he? Yeah, who's like has like two brain cells. It's not that they took his like claims of cannibalism, literally, it's that they took his claims of intensity, literally.

But I thought he liked them more than he did, which like, frankly, you know, if any of them are listening now, which they're not because they don't listen to our podcast, they listen to call her daddy. You dodged a bullet because like what does, well, my question is, does he have access to his family fortune? I don't know. I assume he might, he's probably going to be financially taken care of for the rest of his life.

Yeah, he'll, you know, whatever, he'll be fine. Well, good for him. The perils of being foreign wealthy to baking soda fortune. Oh yeah. Orman hammer. Oh yeah. That's my favorite brand of toothpaste. I must say.

Oh, really? I like Sensodyne. That's my second favorite brand. I don't like the ones that are overly sugary. Yeah. I hate when I accidentally get the blue gel instead of the white paste. Yeah. Really coming out as like a decrepit boomer on this episode.

I don't like the peach. My toothpaste must be sugar free. My back hurts. I know. I'm aging exponentially. Yeah. I'm getting so fatigued. Uh, any other remarks on army?

Well, I mean, not really. I'm really looking forward to forgetting about him the minute that we wrap this segment. But I feel bad for him and for celebrities in general because they seem so troubled. They seem so troubled and there's no, like, it's just like you can't be a private person anymore and like, you can, but like, he doesn't need to be airing out. His like finsta. Well, no, he shouldn't do that, but like, you know, you have to be extra careful about who you fraternize with and who you sleep with nowadays, even if you are a relatively

private person. That's why I like the Leo DiCaprio way, making them sign an NDA and then wearing like headphones. Yeah. Yeah. Army should really take a lesson from Leo. Yeah. Like, I, you know, thank my lucky stars that I'm not single at this point because I, I like, I'm not even, you know, a pimple on army hammers.

I know. Sabeosexual ass, but like, enough people know who we are where like, you couldn't date if you wanted to. It would be really shitty. Yeah. Yeah. Like, you definitely couldn't go on any of the apps. Oh, absolutely not.

It would be so embarrassing. Yeah. I don't want to circulate in like a sexually available economy. Yeah. But you can, you know, you just have to date other people who are in a similar realm or something. Yeah. You know.

Or you can just go on Tinder and if something goes wrong, you can claim it's like a catfish account. Yeah. Exactly. Well, you can, whatever, you can go on Raya, I guess. Yeah. And even walks club, um, uh, Ariel Pink, oh yeah, uh, went on Tucker Carlson. Yeah.

It was a weird dynamic. Um, he dawned a big star of David necklace, presumably to sort of, um, shield himself from like white supremacists slander. Okay. I guess. Is that what that's all about? I mean, I feel like, you know, Tucker is so kind of, people love calling Tucker a white supremacist.

Right. People going on to show white supremacists. So you kind of want to lead with maybe your, your Jewishness or your kind of, but as you pointed out, Jews also love to be persecuted. Yeah, they love to stroke and pamper that persecution complex. Um, um, on Tucker, he said that he has, he voted for Trump, um, but really it was a symbolic vote against cancel culture. Um, and then he's Tucker asked him why he came on his show.

And he said that he had no choice, which is not true because I invited Ariel up on our podcast. Yeah. Yeah. Um, but I get it. I get what you would go on someone with a huge audience instead. Um, but we could have had a more nuanced conversation maybe about, well, no, I realized after watching this, this Tucker interview, I was like, God, artists should really not

ever be called upon to explain themselves because they're very like shine and articulate. And like, we'll talk about the Lana interview, which he's also like very like, uh, they, they do themselves no favors because I mean, I love Lana and she didn't say anything like alarmist or bad or anything and it's all totally overblown, but like they're with very few exceptions, artists are very bad at like explaining their own work and their own motivations. And I think that's good. They shouldn't. Especially when they, um, you know, dip their toe into the political realm.

Yeah. Yeah. It's always, they sound more retarded than we do. I think at some point Tucker, I forgot what question Tucker asked him, but he was like, I don't know, man, I just don't know. And I was like, Oh my God, you're saying this like on Tucker Carlson, um, but I, I mean, I sympathize with Ariel Pink. I don't, uh, first of all, I think he's a pretty decent artist.

I actually like his music. You do. Yeah. I think it's, it's not for me, but that's, I don't think it's like bad or anything. I just, I don't know. I won't, to be fair, I've only heard like two Ariel Pink songs and one is the cover of baby, which I really love. And I think his cover is even better than the original, which is really, really good.

And my Molly with Skyfarer, which I love that song and I love the video where they're just listening to it. Maybe I'll, maybe I'll dive in and give it a real, a real chance because I couldn't tell you why it's never really resonated with me. Yeah. I mean, I think like all this, I don't know, I'm not a fan of like indie music in general. It's like that. Yeah.

Indie Rock's not my thing. Yeah. I'm just like too glamorous and highbrow for indie rock. Um, no, I just, you know, whatever, but I actually really like and enjoy artists who are conservative. I do as well. Yeah. It's so refreshing.

It's like a breath of fresh air because like the art world is like the most lived, hard sphere on earth and it's crushing. Absolutely. And suffocating. Yeah. Their perspective is always welcome from, you know, um, but I think, yeah, I don't even really think Ariel is conservative, I think like when he says he's voting against cancel culture, he's sort of asserting himself as, um, which I relate like he's an artist, right?

So he has artistic values and our culture is increasingly kind of Philistine and hostile to the arts and sort of nuance and mysticism and ambiguity and all the stuff that kind of makes art interesting. So and cancel culture, right? It's like a good, um, sort of really sums up kind of how people treat and relate to art. So he's sort of like advocating for himself and for like art in culture, right? By like being a Trump supporter.

Um, I understand that, but I just think, I don't know, you know, he's, he's being a bit of like a troll about it. Like he, I think he literally tweeted like, go ahead and go ahead, cancel me. You know, he's, um, I do think he's like looking to be persecuted and kind of martyrized. No, he like enjoys it. You can tell what he, and then, you know, he said like, I'm destitute and we'll be sleeping on the street. So really, really, will you, that's, that's a lie.

I don't think that's true. But I think, you know, he's, he, he's like, uh, the second Mexican Jew in the arts that I've been made aware of the first being a Louis CK. They're pretty cool so far. Yeah. I want to see a third one because like, you know, third time's a charm. Well, I'm a big John Mouse fan and I would actually love to hear what he has to say. Well let's play them off of each other.

Just trash, Ariel, pink for not coming on the pod and then extended to John Mouse. Yeah. Um, but it was, it was weird seeing Tucker and Ariel face to face. Like it was almost like one of those formal like 60 minutes, like OJ Simpson interviews that was on TV in the nineties. Yeah. Tucker is making his like concerned face. Yeah.

And like, they look like two different breeds of lesbian, you know what I mean? Yeah. It was emasculating, I guess. It was both of them like playing up this kind of persecution narrative that was a little too kind of dramatized. Yeah. You know, it was Tucker saying, he said, um, that because Ariel pink attended the speech and not the siege itself, um, that he can no longer make a living in this country.

And I was like, wait, am I not understanding something? Was he making a living before to indie musicians make a living? He's moderately popular. I don't know if a living might be generous, but yeah, it's the problem isn't cancel culture. It's a, the kind of state of culture in America where people like him can't make a living. I do believe that, you know, a guy like Ariel pink should be making a decent living off his music. Yes.

But like, um, yeah, he says it pretty much leaves me destitute and on the street, he says he can't even afford his lawyer later on. Okay. This sounds like a giant like crowdfunding campaign in the making unveiling his Patreon. Yeah. He talks about how like there are certain points. He talks about how it was like Mexican summer, his record label reassured him that they wouldn't drop him and then call them and dropped him 24 hours later or like texted him.

But they, I just, I don't think they dropped him because he went to a Trump rally, which he could have done kind of quietly. They dropped him because he sort of made a spectacle about it and his ex-girlfriend's been trying to get him canceled for a long time. Oh, okay. So there you go. That's, that's, it's like, which is why he, men love making cancel culture. I think because they like get canceled once and then they become like preoccupied with

it. Yeah. No, but that's like, that's always how it is. It's like the Deutsche Bank, Donald Trump thing where like Deutsche Bank clearly dropped Donald Trump, Donald Trump, sorry, as a client because he was a liability who triggered all sorts of lawsuits and hearings and they didn't want to deal with him and they took this opportunity to make it seem like they were doing it for a noble reason, even though they routinely, uh, launder money for like Nazis and jihadis.

I mean, it's ridiculous. It's very obvious. The smoke. Yeah. And it's like, I think like a lot of people actually, you're right, get canceled probably for crimes that we never hear about using some kind of worthy cause clause. I mean, you know, when we had Mark Miller on and he was talking about why he was actually canceled and how it had been like a longstanding, people had longstanding issues with certain

other things that had nothing to do with this like masking thing, but that's always how it is. Um, he, he complained also that there was no fact checking in the 130 articles that came out, it was like, do you have like Google alerts, there's like a hundred that I have Google alerts. It's fine. Um, he probably does. Yeah.

I've had them for like years because when I was like, um, uh, a, uh, future failed art art critic, like, when like my story, yeah, yeah, but like now, now I think I want to turn them off because it's like the federalist and the daily caller, these girls are canceled for being leftist activists. And I'm just like, that didn't happen, but yeah. And my favorite part was when he was like, the hate is overwhelming. People are so mean. Yeah.

Oh, and then he says, and then he says, I've been canceled before it doesn't really affect my ego. I'm just saying it doesn't hurt my feelings, it does, um, but he says, I know it's not real. I did nothing wrong and have nothing to feel remorseful about. I mean, he definitely did nothing wrong. Yeah. You should be able to go to a Trump rally.

Definitely. I'd love to go to a Trump rally. Sounds fun. Sounds fun as hell. Um, but also is a vote for Trump really a vote against cancel culture? Cause I feel like former years, the Trump derangement syndrome would get even worse. It's deafening. I think there's no vote against cancel culture.

Yeah. Yeah. Unfortunately, it just won't end. I think cancel culture is going to get, would get bad under Trump. It would get probably worse under Biden. We'll see. I mean, it's not like, also, why would you vote against cancel culture as a stupid thing to cast a vote for?

Well, because if you are eminently or like, there's, if there's a canceler in the wings, you know, you're going to want to get ahead of it. Yeah. And get, get on the right side of history. I think like he should just be open about it and say that he voted for Trump because in his mind, he felt intuitively and instinctively that Trump was a better option than Biden, which is like how a lot of people feel. Yeah.

That's my bigger issue. Like what's wrong with being a Trump supporter? By the way, Amen says, I don't know. I mean, I'm not, I'm not saying I am one because, you know, I genuinely am not one, but if I was, I'd just come out and say it because there's something wrong with it. And like, um, I don't know, like, I enjoyed the parts of this episode that were before and after the Ariel pink interview because they were like, you know, he went on, Tucker

went on that tirade against AOC and Ayano Presley. And then he had this woman on who was the, what did he call her a, a vacuous totalitarian moron? Something like that. Yeah. I watched a little bit after I didn't tune in before, but I watched the show after and got kind of bored. He had that guy who opened his gym in New Jersey.

Oh, I missed that part. I missed, but that wouldn't, yeah, I heard the New Jersey part, but he had this woman on, um, who was the, the chief policy officer of, um, Parler who made some good points, which, um, uh, I guess we can get to later. I actually wanted to quote her cause she made some good quotes. We can talk about it now. Yeah. I, I like that.

Um, I forgot who said this, but, uh, Tucker was like kind of putting words in Ariel pink smells and he called the Democrats sore winners, which is true. Soar winners. Um, but yeah, I don't know, um, he said it very gravely. Yeah. Yeah. He was like trying to make it. He was trying to have like a real kind of discourse with Ariel pink who's like too

much of a wishy-washy artist to like, right. They destroyed your life. And when did you find out that it was all happening? This interview was weird because you could almost see kind of like the glue, like the tape and the glue and the, on the kind of back end of holding it together. Yeah. Um, but it revealed how penetrable and accessible the Tucker Carlson show is. Yeah.

Yeah. And I don't know why they went for that. Like face to face. Yeah. I mean, it's reserved again for like victims, yeah, the victims of like horrific, like who's like relatives or horrifically murdered or potential perpetrators, um, like that kind of sober throwback format. Um, but the, this woman, her name is Amy Pate, Pekoff.

She's, she made a bunch of like very illuminating, interesting points. Um, you know, one of them that I've been thinking about myself is like, you know, is this collusion or is it mere kind of social pressure, like the domino effect of one firm cancelling somebody and then another one and then everybody. You mean parlor getting taken off the app? Yeah. Like stuff like that. Or like everybody dropping Trump or, you know, I think yesterday, DeVlasio said that, that

the city would cut all of its commercial contracts with the Trump family. What does that mean exactly? I don't know. I mean, they have probably like construction contracts that are ongoing. I mean, what's, I mean, they can't like, but like, what if they have to like fix the Trump tower? Yeah. I think they're not going to do it.

I think they have to probably hand, well, I mean, that Trump can do that internally, but I don't know, but it's just like what you're going to like just ban this guy from like working in New York from life. I mean, that's the whole point, but she said, she said, whether they have an agenda or not, here's one of the things that's going on at least with bigger tech companies, you know, people have talked about collusion is collusion involved. But what if the truth is a lot worse that parlor is just the latest casualty and a sort of Faustian bargain that big tech has made with status government.

And by this, I mean, big tech has made itself dependent on immunity with respect to its two major prongs for monetization. So one of them is content moderation, removing pieces of content. They have immunity for that under section 230. And that also includes the curation of feeds and the algorithms that they used to do that, to increase engagement. Those are immune from scrutiny and liability. And then the second is, of course, the data pillaging, as we like to call it at parlor.

We don't believe that you should be making money by monetizing the personal data of people. And both those things have become part of this bargain. And she talks like, I don't believe it. I don't believe anything she says about how noble and great parlor is. Yeah, because parlor is just purely reactionary and they would harvest your data in a second once it came to parlor. Yeah, I'm going to need a fact check on all of her positive airbrushed claims about parlor. But some of the points she makes about the tech stuff, and she talks about the immunity

of section 230 when combined with pressure from people in Congress, telling Facebook and Twitter and the like that they have to remove hate speech and do more about misinformation is censorship by proxy, which there's a very interesting conversation to be had like about where tech ends and government begins and who's doing the steering exactly, right. And like, you know, she talks about how like with respect to data, if you look at the consent decree between the United States and Facebook, the FTC and Facebook, you could see that Facebook was allowed to continue its data mining practices that help monetize it. And at the same time, maybe the FTC and the DOJ could get backdoor under the under the

term of that consent decree. So they were data mining on behalf of the government to as well as on them, it was what she's saying. And she talks about how this cozy relationship is very disturbing, which I thought those points were well taken. Definitely. And I understand, you know, it was funny, because at the very end, she's like, he Tucker starts good digging into Apple and she's like, well, I consider Apple an ally in this fight

because they said that we can come back if we moderate our content. And I was just like, okay, lady, but didn't she say that she doesn't think that they would be able to moderate their content? Well, there's to their state like Apple standards, you know, wait, who she they what it was just like a weird thing for her to say, because Apple pulled the right the app from the store. So she's trying to be nice to, yeah, I don't know. It was like a whole, but anyway, that part was like very interesting and the kind of AOC Ayanna Presley stuff was also fairly interesting.

And I also like, well, this is like the thing that you like, you sent me like an article about where he called them kind of like histrionic victim mongers or whatever, which I find to be true. Or I'm okay tweet and stuff. Yeah, he was making fun of her like flip flopping on the function of the police. And Ayanna Presley was like freaking out because she like was also talking about how it was criminal of the Congress members who weren't wearing masks to not wear masks while they were like being held in like a safe room.

Oh, God, yeah, and it's like, you know, and he was like, I mean, but like, if you look at the language that these people use, they're, they're just like, this is unacceptable. We have to hold them accountable. How do you plan to rectify this? It's like all like PR speak. And the impeachment, I mean, is just like a big PR thing also. Yeah. I mean, there's no real point.

No, totally a Trump, but I admittedly don't know a lot about the function of politics again. Yeah. Yeah. Um, yeah, no, I mean, I talked, I went on that podcast fifth column and I talked about it for a while. I actually learned a lot about impeachment because I didn't want to sound totally retarded. So I like googled how it's done.

What is fifth column? I think they're like a libertarian slash liberal podcast. I don't know. They're nice guys. I like them. But, um, they basically, we were talking about, um, like, you know, kind of like the, how all of this stuff will be used to further encroach upon like civil liberties, like that conversation that everyone's been having.

Um, but yeah, you see like, I don't know, in the way that the squad maneuver, I think that they're very smart and talented perception managers because I, you know, I've said this before, they create a situation where, um, if you critique them, everything is seen as a personal critique or a vile attack on them as, you know, Tucker was accused of precipitating a vile attack on AOC because he made fun of her for like going to sociology one on one at BU or whatever. Um, right. Well, a lot of attacks on AOC are personal cause she's like those people and makes herself

very visible. Yeah. Like by conservatives and, but primarily who are like literally horny for her. Yeah. They're like wires are getting crossed and they're getting, yeah. And it's like, you know, that image where it's like her face photoshopped onto the body of an Amazon. She's like stomping over.

Yeah. Exactly. Which is like very funny. But, um, uh, but yeah, but you know, I made the point that I will make again that like you look at something like me too, and that was like the dress rehearsal or the dry run for what's going on now, which is much more broad based. Yeah. And BLM was the second one, the George Floyd thing, cause it's all like kind of incrementally

suspending due process and common standard. Like slowly that's my fear with me too. It's not that I like hate women and want them to like not see justice, but it's the kangaroo court. Yeah. And how it ultimately like will encompass everyone and people focus too much on these personal stories. Like army hammer getting canceled for cannibalism or aerial pink getting his livelihood pulled

for going to like a rally. Like I think even that it's funny because both sides are such victim mongers, like not to take away from the victim mongering of the squad and like the leftists, but like then like conservatives love to do that shit too. I know. And now that they're like losing or whatever, now that the Dems are in power, they're making a whole pathetic display of their victim hood and yeah, it just like goes on and on. It doesn't resolve itself.

Yeah. Like Tucker is trying to put words in the mouth of aerial pink because he like so eagerly wants to like kind of spin a persecution narrative. Yeah. I mean, yeah. 100%. Yeah. Well, that's all I have to say to the aerial pink.

Do anything else? John mouse, come on the pod, the pod, the pod, Lana Del Rey come on the pod. Yeah. Seriously. I would, we would get along. I would love to talk to her. I love her. Um, what did you think of the single?

Um, I liked it. I liked it too. It's really like more of the same, but I like her formula. Loving it. There's a song on the new album called a white dress that I can't retain. White supremacy. Um, yeah, I think she's just getting better and better as an artist honestly. She's refining her themes of wildness and love.

And cam trails is like, I think it's a really great song actually. Yeah, it's good. I mean, like I have no complaints about it. Just like, it reminds me of video games, but no, but here's my thing. I don't think that, um, I don't mean this as an insult or dig whatsoever. I mean, this is the highest compliment literally sounds like all her other stuff, but I like her music. Yeah.

I'm a fan for life, marinating in the same like amniotic fluids always and she's maturing. Yeah. She's, I want to hear this. Norman Rockwell, I think was her, her best, even though I'm very attached to her earlier material. Yeah, me too. You know, it is, it's much, it's much, it is more sophisticated than like things on like paradise, for example, yeah, when she was doing more of a hip hop thing.

I love that. Her excuse for like, um, her, her like explanation, excuse, whatever, for, uh, when critics come at her and call her racist and not exclusive enough is that she started out with a hip hop sound. She done. That's like literally. She did a music video where she's Jackie Kennedy and ASAP Rocky. Yeah.

I remember that. That's, she's inclusive. Okay. And they have a bunch of like biracial children. Yeah. They're like having a picnic on an American flag or a case closed. That video is beautiful. It's like, that's like when people call me racist and I'm like, no, but I love bone thugs

and harmony and Wu Tang clan. You don't understand. I love trick daddy. We didn't ask, um, no, but I understand her frustration too, because I guess people were mad at that, the cover photo for our album, which is like her and her girlfriends. Yeah. Not enough of which appeared POC or POC enough, even though it's Anna Lanow. I'm sorry, pointed out on, um, the BBC radio interview she gave, and half of those women

are POCs. Yeah. You just have to zoom in. You have to look closer to get out your magnifying glass. Yeah. And it's not, I feel for Lana because she's clearly, she feels very maligned by her critics. Yeah. Um, and she's like extremely sensitive person.

Mm-hmm. That's her sign. She's, we've done, we've done this before. She's a, Gemini cancer. She's on the cusp. Okay. I think cancer, because in chemtrail, she says that she's a cancer with a leo moon. I really love this interview because it honestly reminded me of our podcast, like she's like

eating a popsicle and has a broken arm and there's a lot of like, uh, weird sonic dissonance and then some maintenance man comes in. Yeah. It's like a cat up. And it's just like chaotic. Like the, the woman is in the middle of asking her question and she's like talking to somebody else in the background. Yeah.

Yeah. In a minute, I'll be right there. And it's like, you know, like when we go to the bathroom and edit it out and then much like, it's also reminded me of the pod cause it's like us defending ourselves against everybody. Yeah. Preemptively against our haters. Yeah.

But then, you know, it's real, it's really dawned on me or like it's hit me more than ever that like everybody feels maligned right now. Yeah. It's understandable. Yeah. And being a public person who's like producing work is kind of inviting criticism that is undeserved. Really.

I mean, it's, and so then, so then Aunt Lana got some heat for this interview where she said that it's a good, I'm paraphrasing, but she said it's good that Trump was elected because we needed, he was sort of like the wake up call we needed of seeing our own sort of narcissistic excess, like mirrored back at us, which is not a controversial thing to say by any measure. But then of course, like the headlines run with like Lana says she's glad Trump was the president. Well, yeah.

I mean, like, I don't know, like when she goes, we voted for Biden, okay? Like who's we? Wait, doesn't also doesn't Lana remind you of Lala? They have the same kind of like choppy cadence and energy. Yeah. They really have a similar, yeah. She said Trump needed to happen. And like, I mean, she says a lot of like kind of interesting stuff that nobody talked about.

I like what she said when she was like, some people are obsessed with growing and learning and I'm just trying to find where I'm the happiest. That's why her music sounds the way it does. And she talks about how art should ideally be a byproduct of your life. Yeah. And I was like, oh yeah, I can relate to that and like feel that deeply because too many people are like trying to make art without being kind of cognizant or vigilant as you say in their own life.

You can't really make good art if you are not in touch with yourself. Definitely. Like it's impossible. And she, yeah, she talks about how they were, I guess her friends and her family weren't the ones storming the Capitol and that they all voted for by and I'm good to know. I bet she didn't vote something about me about her. She also feels like she could be a Trump supporter. No offense.

Yeah. I would, I would welcome any political endorsement from Lana. I really don't care. Yeah. Well, that's the other thing. I don't like it for the, for the odes to, to wildness. No, I mean, but that's the thing with artists. I don't care if the artists I like are racist or sexist.

I really don't. Like every time I post something favorable about Morrissey, people freak out because he's made of racist comments before, which are not that racist, by the way, and I don't care. Yeah. I couldn't care less. He's an artist, not a politician. He doesn't have any control or power over policy.

No. Like who do you think your favorite artists are? A lot of them are like, um, you know, shitty and abusive and chaotic and controlling people. Right. That's why they're so good. That's what motivates them to make, make art. And like, I don't think like having personally racist feelings is that unique or uncommon or like bad or criminal or influential.

Right. Like it's insane. Like people have completely conflated all these, like, different characters. Structural racism. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And it's crazy also to hear day in and day out what a white supremacist Trump is when

we literally just elected the architect of the 1994 crime bill. Yeah. Like there's your structural systemic racism. I know. It's insane to me. Like everybody's like completely like lost their mind. Yeah. Um, but yeah.

Anyway. Sorry. Do you think she's red lash? No. Everybody was like. That makes two of us. No, like people were like to have me like, yo, she's definitely never in the blood culture of narcissism.

Like she's never, I'm going to read culture of narcissism. I swear to God. You should maybe we could do a book club. Yeah, we should. That would motivate me to, to crack that we, I mean, we suck her open. I tried to do the other night and I got like, I started to sell, I'd starting selfies. No. Okay.

Like this is my thing with Christopher last. He's exhausting as a writer because every sentence is quotable. He really packs it and he's like 10 pounds of shit in a five pound bag. And like he's a very easy and accessible writer actually like he's not a great philosopher. Um, but like it's surprisingly difficult to get through considering how accessible the material is. Yeah. So like, I get it, um, but uh, yeah, I mean.

Regardless, I think Lana's read up kind of the, the situation and the, the coup being the sort of discharge of anger, um, was very spot on. She's clearly like, you know, I don't look to her for a political analysis, but I think like via her sensitivity and perceptiveness, I think she's like is onto something. I like when she said, we need to find a way to be wild in our world, but at the same time the world is so wild. I love that. She's actually really smart and profound.

Yeah. Like not, um, I also liked when she, um, described her book of poetry as a very tiny, but pretty book. I felt, I felt very seen, but I know what she means. It's like you, it's harder and harder to be wild individually because you're like slotted into some monoculture where you can't like, you know, deviate or dissent. I want to be free. I want to just ride.

Yeah. I want to be able to say racist slurs in public without the fear of getting canceled. No, but you should like that, but yeah, the world is so chaotic and nonlinear and doesn't make sense. And there's too much information. Like she's absolutely like on the money and like she explained it in like a very kind of like pithy, memorable way and it like, you know, again, like, I think she's right. Like, I think I said this on the last pod, but people have been maze, you know, half

the people have been making these comparisons between the Capitol Hill riots and the George Floyd protests and the other half have been accusing them of, uh, of being like inappropriate or like, uh, kind of like unfair, but these two actions of the same, they have something in common, which is that they're the product of people's dissociative discontent as channeled through some proxy cause. Right. Disassociated anger. Yeah.

And I think like, yeah, that was a beautiful line. Dissociated rage is what she calls it. Yeah. She should be a song in her album. Yeah. I think she's, she's right. And I don't think it is like a bad faith comparison to make. Yeah.

That's sort of the argument is that, and it's kind of like what we were saying. It's like, it's psychologically sort of a, a similar thing is going on. Right. Yeah. I mean, but that's the freaky thing. It's like, if you question the premises of something like me too, or BLM, it feels like you're questioning kind of the pro sexual assault or anti black lives, you know, like even like, I feel like with slogans, like believe women or black lives matter, it's baked

into the cake. If you question the premises, that means that you don't believe women actually, and that you think that black lives don't matter, like what kind of a shitty, horrible person are you? Yeah. And like, yeah, I mean, that's the thing. It really, like I said, it takes a lot of hard work and effort to be racist and sexist that most people are not interested in, and it's harder than reading a lash book.

Well, I think the argument that a lot of people make or the converse, it's not that the people are actively racist, but it's that they have these sort of like insidious sexist or racist values that kind of, but they don't, well, yeah, for the most part, people are very kind of like open minded and malleable actually, yeah, which is good. Yeah, and she, what else did she say, there was like another, it's funny, like that comment that she got the most fire for that like the madness of Trump needed to happen. Because it's narcissism, not capitalism, it's going to kill the world had had very Trumpian energy reminded me of that tweet that he fired off where he was like, I just want to stop

the world from killing itself. They're both poets. Yeah. No, they are. They're like rare outbursts of like total earnestness. I actually think he's pretty earnest very often, but what do you think of her comment that he didn't know that he was inciting violence? I got what she meant.

I think that in the case of like, not that specific incident, but just the general violence of the Trump being presidency, I think it does have to do not so much with him. I mean, I think he would love to be adored, I don't think he's trying to kind of heighten discontent and division and be the most hated president in history, blah, blah, blah. But I think he is probably a narcissist and has his own kind of complexes that are very American. And that that's sort of what ended up happening anyway. I just, yeah, I don't know.

I mean, I find it, it sucks because it's like, you know, I think Ariel Pink actually said this to Tucker Carlson, but there's like no room for counter narrative. You can't like, you know, it's not okay to validly question what like, you know, I was in a doctor's waiting room recently and there was every, there was like four different TVs and they were all blaring like a different kind of mainstream media channels like CNN, the view MSNBC and everybody like totally like fully unequivocally was running with this like insurrection and incitement narrative that I don't believe it's fake. It's not real.

And it's like, it makes me feel crazy. They're gaslighting. Yeah. And like, I don't know. I think Trump has been way less of a quote gaslighter than many other presidents. Like no offense, but yeah. And who's to say that his like this allegation that his term, I think his term was way more kind of emotionally violent, but actually violent.

Yeah. Yeah. It was like, like spiritually, emotionally, turbulent, culturally. Yeah. But like, how can you say that when like every other president before him started a bunch of like war, actual violent wars, they just weren't violent to us cause they didn't happen on our turf and we didn't see them. Right.

And like, you know, I've been like, uh, kind of like boning up on a old, uh, Soviet and early like Russian Federation trivia and I was reading this book that this guy recommended about, um, Boris Berezovsky, the oligarch, I may have mentioned it in the previous podcast and I'm like totally brain dead right now, but, um, there's a paragraph where the author talks about how, um, in Russia in 1993, the murder rate was three times that of the United States, which was in the middle of a crime wave. So I think there was something like 30,000 murders committed in the US that year. And I think closer to a hundred thousand murders committed in Russia because there was like

30 or 40 official ones. And then there was like 40 to 50 unofficial ones of people who disappeared who are presumed dead. Right. And there was Russia is very big. It's very big yet, but there was like gangland, but it's concentrated in small cities or in central cities like Moscow, St. Petersburg. And there was like, um, get open gangland warfare in the street, like bankers, um, factory

execs, journalists were getting like shot down in the street or blown up in their cars. I remember this moment because my dad had the news on all the time. We were safely in the United States at this point. Yeah. Um, 93. 93. Yeah. It was like the, it was like the oligarchs consolidating power.

There was like a all, you know, all of the kind of like, what was that one, they all the, the thieves in law were also kind of like under the oligarch, uh, watch and they were like, um, basically controlling the Eltsen government. It's a mob state. It's, yeah, it was literally like crazy violence. I mean, isn't it? Well, not, I mean, not as violent, but it's still essentially like has mob characteristics. Yeah.

But, but I think when Putin came in, he basically betrayed the oligarchs who, who brought him to power and then, uh, kind of kick them out or throw them through them in prison and established stability raised like the GDP raised the average wage by basically absorbing corruption, corruption back into the state apparatus, but like, um, you know, I was watching like an Oliver Stone interview show with Putin and he, he talks about like, you know, what we'll all do respect. Like America has its own problems and difficulties, but they were nothing like what we had in the nineties. I mean, it's true.

There was like open, violent warfare in the streets of major cities, but it makes me really scared because who's to say that that won't happen here eventually at the rate. Yeah. Right. Damn, Anna, like I was, uh, you know, I watched all this footage of like, it's like, you know, Al-Qa-Shui and your buhai with like, they were just like drinking alcohol in the Soviet Union, like on like in plain view and that's happening now in New York, like in COVID because of COVID out in the street, fucking drunk.

Yeah. Like I saw a guy in a train. That's the despair on the rise. Yeah. No, it's crazy. They were just sitting on their neighbors. Yeah. No, no, no.

It's like that. It's like that kind of vibe. And like, I saw this guy and this woman splitting a bottle of vodka on the train. They were just slugging it down. Damn. I was like, damn, just like the good old days where we've been prepared for this. Yeah. We're going to be standing in a bread line for dimes, container foods.

I mean, there basically were bread lines and people were panic buying. Yeah. They were like, like, flour, like really insane. Yeah. What are you flour for? We're like baking or making green chicky or whatever it was, you know, but yeah, like last spring in New York, it was like, it felt like that. Yeah.

Had that kind of vibe. Yeah. And like how you, you talk about how like Amazon is or like centrally planned economy basically and everything's like defective and shitty. I mean, that's true. Now. Yeah. I feel like now you get like, whenever you get, this is like, now I'm going to sound

like really privileged because they just like get packages mailed over here and like half of them don't arrive in the other half or like dinged up or our consumer goods or do dinged up. What else did Lana say? Let me look at my notes. Why are you getting so into Russia? I don't know. I just spurgly picked it up.

Cool. I like it. It's not through, not for any like particular reason, but I've just been like watching these docs and reading this book. I just want to kind of like educate myself on what happened and it's more interesting to me than like studying, like figuring out the difference between the house and the Senate and Congress. Definitely.

It's going to, that knowledge will serve you better. I think the long run is we become increasingly pop-up Soviet here in the United States. But it's great. It's kind of crazy that Oliver Stone got an interview with Putin. That is crazy. I didn't even know that. It's, it's, I think it's like free on Amazon Prime. He just like, it's like a sit down with Putin.

Damn. I mean, it's actually, you should, yeah. It's a very unfulfilling show because Putin doesn't say anything of kind of import or value. Yeah, cause he's like very smart and keeps everything under wraps, like a typical KGB operative. Right. And Oliver Stone is like, there's just like a total cultural difference where Oliver

Stones tries to make like pithy jokes and Putin can't, he doesn't get it. I liked when Lana said that she was talking about like, she has, she has like a shelter or like a bug out and she said, quote, I've got my meds right and I've got my girlfriends who totally get it. And I was like, same. Yeah. I was trying to get my meds right and get my girls corraled and try and figure out how to be happy, which is definitely not happening on the internet anymore.

No. Unfortunately. I wonder what her, was that thunder? It's, yeah, there's a brainstorm. Okay. Or like insurrection. Maddie and I were looking at this girl on Instagram who like Maddie used to go to high school with or something who has fake tits and like, she might be like, I think she might

be like a sex slave or something, but she's always on yachts. She's like always, she doesn't seem like she even has heard of COVID. Like she's just been like, going to like private islands and like, you know, floating around on yachts all year. And I was like, she seems like she has like no thoughts in her head. But I was like, fuck, like I made a mistake. Like why am I like on the internet fighting with like, can't buy it when I kind of like a nice sweet pair of big, fake tits and be on a yacht.

Yeah. Yeah. I don't personally want to go on a yacht, but you know what I mean? She seems happy. She seems, you know, intense. I know. I know people present, you know, online and whatnot, but yeah, I mean, I think everybody's secretly a lot more mundane and I don't know, you gotta, I don't know about miserable.

I think some people are genuinely happy and I'm happy for them because I think that's an important skill to have in this day and age, but yeah, I know you're right. I have this thought sometimes I'm like, wait, why didn't I just like do like a really normie thing and like get a fake tan and go work in finance. Yeah. It could have been so much easier. Yeah. Because I think people think that we calculated things for ourselves or like, which like,

I don't, like I didn't set out to be this person. I didn't ask for this truly. Yeah, me neither. From the day I was born, I didn't ask for anything. I just, you know, I worked in a really stupid vacuum, like I'm guilty of so much stupid like tunnel vision, like just like, you know, the idea, well, like the idea of like being like an athlete, it's getting like really good grades, like at the end of high school, like going to college, taking like learning very seriously, going to grad school, like

this was all kind of useless, postponing, having a family was useless and stupid. And I should have just had, you know, a kid at 23 when I got like pregnant for the first time, like this kind of stuff, like I think that would have just been kind of like probably normal and would have yielded, like not exposing yourself to certain self-awareness that only leads to kind of like misery and doubt. Yeah. Well, it's too late. It's too late.

And I think it'll turn out fine. It's, you know. Un-take the red pill unfortunately. Yeah. And yeah, a more faulty, ultimately, you know. Yeah. And it just is what it is. But I think a lot of young women are like this, right, where like you just like kind

of postpone things and prioritize other things. And then in the long run, you realize that your priorities were like wrong. Hindsight's 20-20. Yeah. And then it's too late and you have to freeze your act. Stop bullying me, Anna. But like, yeah, I don't know what this was about, what we were on about. Um, Lana, we got sidetracked, but we can, we've done like almost an hour and 25.

We could wrap it up. Wow. I know. I mean. A lot going on. I'm just happy that there's something to talk about that's not. Yeah. I actually, you know, also when you do like a searching moral inventory of your life,

it really can't complain because things did really turn out fine. But I do think like on the whole, everybody feels, wait, I'm going to do that too. On the whole, I think everybody, even the people who are the most comfortable right now feels, you know, everybody feels like stir crazy and kind of like mentally deprived and financially precarious. Everybody feels like shit. Yeah. I mean, you know, Lana's right that Trump needed to happen, but the worst thing is that

it happened and nobody learned anything from it. Yeah. And now it's, I mean, it's still happening, it just won't, the reality just refuses to stop. Yeah. Anyway, on that note, we'll see you in hell. Yeah. I mean, we shall see you in hell.

I'm just like scrolling through my lawn and that's what I have nothing better to say. Bye. Bye.