Red Scare - Emily Goon

Episode Date: March 1, 2024

The ladies discuss Emily Gould's piece on nearly getting a divorce and Charlotte Cowles' essay about getting scammed out of $50K. Plus, we review Vultures.

The family goal thing was interesting and the scammer thing was hilarious. Oh yeah, those are the two articles about... that shouldn't have been written. I know. I don't know why those women wrote that stuff. Are we recording? Yeah, I started recording. I guess the theme of the evening is women taking Ls. Is that the theme?

It's we're a little unfocused. We took a little bit of an L. Yeah. Do you know what can L, I'll just say it, she went on Adam Freeland's show. Who? Drea Dimitio. Damn, damn.

Damn. Adam swooped up and he called me. Uh huh. And was like, oh no, what happened? I was like, what? I was like, how do you know? And then he was like, she just came on me. I was like, oh.

Do you know what he's like, humble bragging to me? Like, oh. I love Adam, but he's the worst because every time you run into him, he's like. He's a bragger. He's bragging about how he's getting like Julian Casablanca's or like Kanye West up on the pod Yeah, I'm like cool story, bro. We could have any doing amazing sweetie. We can get to rick Nishid. I'm working on that

We could get anyone on the pod if we put our minds to it, but we I want to rick on the pod because I want you to ask him how old he thinks you are. And for him to call us dusty snow roaches and say white women age like milk. That would destroy me. I was so black out drunk last night. Anna, yeah, so I left X for Lent.

No, I know. And Anna is going on. I've been for Lent. No, I know. And Anna is- So I've been tweeting for two. Anna is going off. I've been drinking for two. And apparently there was a Tariq Nishid X space. Or I was scrolling Twitter, blackout drunk X, I'm sorry, excuse me. Yeah, you have to call it X

because it's more pathetic. It makes you not want to use it more. And I saw Tariq Nishid was hosting a space about Fanny Willis. So you know I had to run up in there and invite him on the pod. It's a work in progress. Yeah, we're linking and building.

He said he'd chop it up. He, well, he called me a suspected white supremacist. Not true. But then he said, I'm just, there's no suspicion. False fact check. And that but he did say that we could know, but he did say that we could chop it up. And he, I mean, he had me clocked immediately. He had my number. He was like, you're like a white lady in your

thirties who hit the wall and went right wing. The only thing he's wrong about, yeah. The only, I was so dry. I was giggling like a school girl. I love Tariq Nishie. That's incredible. That boob, he's so smart and funny and he's so short. He's so quick. He's my Nyquinda.

So that guy had me clocked and the only thing that he was wrong about is the order in which my flirting with the right wing and hitting the wall happened. But he, I think he's suspicious. When do you think you hit the wall? Like when I was 16. But I was right before that, like when I was 14. Anyway, so he was immediately suspicious and that's understandable.

I think he assumes all white people who interact with him on social media are trolling him and he's not wrong. Sure. But he's a troll himself. Yeah, yeah, he's- And he loves the game. He's a master, he's amazing at what he does. Yeah. And he was the game. He's a master, he's amazing at what he does.

And he was up in there talking about how Fanny Willis looked like a glazed ham with legs or some shit like that. I know, that's true. But when you're really flinching, you're like, oh, I'm gonna go get a new one. I'm gonna go get a new one. I'm gonna go get a new one. I'm gonna go get a new one. I also gave up being blonde for lens. I know that's true

But when you're really you're really flagellating yourself I'm doing a lot of mortification this year because I'm turning 33 so my ministry is coming to an end true and And yeah, I just really got to do some penance. I think good this year But I really miss being blonde And yeah, I just really gotta do some penance, I think. Good this year. But I really miss being blonde. Really? Yeah, real. Every day I wake up I'm like,

that'd be interesting because the dynamic of the pod is kind of the, but after Easter, I'm gonna get highlights. I'm gonna get drunk, I'm gonna go back on X. I'm gonna hop in his face. You're gonna let it all hang off. Good for you. But yeah, no, he, I think we got up on the wrong foot because I immediately identified myself

as a stupid little wigger. Oh yeah. And he wasn't offended. He was a good sport about it. But, you know, I played right into his hands. Mm-hmm. And he really did get me thinking. Yeah.

Because he was, yeah, he asked good questions. He was like, well, what is a wigger? Are you a suspected white supremacist? And I was like, what is a wigger? Well, you know, it's hard. It's like porn, you know, when you see it, but it's harder to define than you think. I mean, I guess it's like a downmarket white person

who identifies with black culture, specifically rap culture, more than their own culture. And you've all seen my childhood drawings. Yeah. But there's also, there's like tears of wiggers, I feel like. And some tears. Some definitely are like. They are things that have young men. I've definitely been like... They are things that have young men. It's true. They are.

Yeah. Um, Eminem, to me, is like the archetypal, like if you had to have like a platonic ideal of the Uyghur. But then you also have streetwear guys who are kind of Uyghur-ish and like everyone is kind of, the real answer is everyone's kind of a Uyghur. Because everyone- Because black culture is like the dominant culture. Yeah.

In the culture industry or whatever it is. Yeah, and I'd say worldwide. I'd say worldwide, like everyone. Like South Korean K-pop guys or wiggers. Yeah. African guys are kind of wiggers. Like even right wing guys are wiggers. Yeah. African guys are kind of wiggers. Like even right wing guys are wiggers. Yeah.

Cause they're. And then like ask to the question of whether I'm a white supremacist. I mean, I guess it depends on who you asked. I well, don't think that white people are inherently more deserving than other people. And I've no active racial animosity toward anyone Well, also, what is a white person? Yeah, but that more importantly. Yeah, because I definitely like some types of white people more than others right and I think like I

Don't know I'm comfortable making racist jokes because I have no hate in my heart So true queen. I mean, yeah, I'm comfortable making racist jokes because I have no hate in my heart. So true, Queen. I mean, yeah, you're simply not racist. I mean, I am kind of racist, but in like a casual- In a benign way. And kind of personal way. Everybody's racist, that's the thing. It's like-

I'm definitely noticed. Do I believe in racial difference? Yes, absolutely. But so does Tariq Nishid. He's a black separatist for fuck's sake. Of course. And I would love to take up that topic with him. Like, what is the appropriate amount of belief, you know? I think, I mean, if you really pressed me, if I had to pick who was supreme, yeah, it'd be Slavs. Yeah, of course, we all think that our own people are supreme, not Armenians, but.

But like, I don't hold that belief dear, you know, it's just some like, I'm like, yeah, I mean, I think the Russian, like spiritual temperament is the correct one because that's one obviously but if I was black I'd say I'm black of course we'd be black nationals imagine if this was a black girl podcast we would be some bald headed hoes for real Anna you know it's been a hard week for me. I know, I know. I'm not bald. You're not bald. At all. I've always had a big forehead.

People do need to like. Can I say something without everyone getting mad? Yeah. You have an enviable forehead. You have a very beautiful forehead. It's like broad and you have wide temples and that's neoteness. It's very pretty.

Don't be hard on yourself. Thank you. Put it out of your mind. I mean, what do these people want me to do to get facial reconstructive surgery? Like what do they actually want? For me, I'll do it. I'll get a bunch of plastic surgery

if it'll make you people happy. If you guys want to pay for our extensive cosmetic procedures by all means. We'll get the facial feminization surgery. I want to look like a Korean girl. Ha ha. But I just want to look like a girl. But OK, I'm going to say one last thing about this stuff. The one thing I'm really sick and tired of

is everyone walking on eggshells and performing peaty piety around black people because I feel like black people can stand on their own. That's the least racist thing about me. Well that's, that is really the racist thing is to behave that way which I kind of do. Yeah. I am a little like deferential. Yeah we all are because we're all buck broken. which I kind of do. Yeah. I am a little like differential. Yeah, we all are because we're all buck broken.

Yeah, I'm buck broken. But if to Rik Nishid happens to be listening, which he's definitely not, but if anybody wants to send him the clip, feel free. I would just like to say that if he accepts our invitation, he has my word that I'm not going to try to corner him or make him look bad. I'm not trolling. I'm sincere.

I loved buck breaking the movie, not the practice. We reviewed it on this very show. I love his work. I love the way he thinks. I love what he's doing. I'd love to have a convo with him. Yeah, in total good faith. And yeah, and he's like a total troll and ironist, but he's more sincere than like

Ibram Kendi. Who's that again? He's the, um, damn, he's like the anti-racist baby guy. Oh yeah, yeah. Right. He's like a DLI guy who like set up like a separate department at Boston University and grifted them out of $43 million. Because they produce no worker research. Which respect.

Cool. Yeah. Nice. You can come on the show too. We want forgot his name already. But I'll learn it. I'll read the Antiracist Baby Book. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I saw Daniel Keller was reading it to his new baby. That's so cute. It's required reading. You have to indoctrinate them, yeah. Yeah, and to Nick Fuentes, if I may address him.

I don't like you, man. I don't not like you Freudian slip. I don't not like you. Wow Freudian real yet I Have no strong opinion on you as some people may have Enjoy Fuentes. I think he's funny. I think he's obviously for a younger Demographic Prior to me leaving X, I tweeted, we're also gonna talk about the Kanye album.

But I made a tweet that said, I got into a rapper friends, I hang with the Grypers, which was a clever reference to the titular track on the new Kanye album. Because Grypers kind of sounds like vultures, I was obviously drunk. But then, yeah, my feet just got, it was people being like, oh, she's coming out as a blah, blah, blah. It was just, I was like, fuck this.

I was like pearls before swine. Yeah. I'm just kidding. And I'm drunk. Well, and I won't be suppressed. And any drunk confused thought I have, like I will transmit to an audience. Yeah. But pearls before a swine, like you don't even deserve me.

I know, it's so true. But the fact that I'm out of here. I don't really know what Nick Flint does is about. I know he's a Nazi. Well, yeah, that goes without saying, but we're all Nazis here. I also don't want to have him on the show because I think he is actually too toxic. Okay, that's fair. Like he would, is it like kind of a bridge too far even though you said it?

Not me. Yeah, I think so. I think that would definitely would not be good for my career. Not that I've made a lot of good decisions for my career, but that one definitely. I think but I what I'm saying is no one would advise me to when people are trolls in their public persona I don't hold it against them. Yeah, you have to be able to drop the act Certain yeah, I don't think 20 I don't think 20 can 20 by Making the same joke savage by 20

But yeah, he's simply toxic. You know, he's like, he is just like a little Nazi boy. Who I can't really fuck with, but I like his, I do find him very funny. Yeah, I mean, and his mannerisms to be, I'll say almost Trumpian and his choice of words often to be like, well, when he said when he was making fun of us and he said, like, let's go get drunk and hang out with tranny sluts. And they're all Jewish. Was just so true.

And it sounds like a good time. We was doing that recently. We do literally do that. That is what we do. So we literally hang out with other tranny sluts and bully each other We was doing that recently. We do literally do that. That is what we do. So he's not wrong. We literally hang out with other tranny sluts and bully each other for being Jewish. We're all tranny Jewish models in New York City.

Not according to the New York Times. I'm not a model. So shady. You should email them an issue of correction. I mean, they're technically correct. I am literally not a model. Yeah, but neither is. But I've been on a runway before.

You're technically you are a model. I have modeled. We're models. We're models. We're solution. I'm not bald. I'm a model. Not a griper. I didn not bald. I'm a model. Not a gripper. I didn't even know there was a war. Like there's this early episode of the pod

where I explain grippers to you and I'm like, it's the frog. It's the fat frog. I know. I remember that. I didn't even fucking know what a gripper was. I didn't even know there was another type of gripper. A dimension to it. I literally thought it was just the different. A secret third grouper.

What is the other type of grouper? Followers of Nikfantas. Oh. Call themselves grippers. Closeted homosexuals. I do believe. Mexican. Yeah.

Well, that's why I also, that's, you know, because Kanye West hangs out with Nikfantas or used to. That's also, you know, that's the joke. That he hangs with the grape birds, even though he doesn't anymore. Now he hangs with Jews. And he hangs with Jews, yeah. He's back on Team Jew.

He's hanging with the game Mexicans. Yeah. Yeah. Now he's like diabolical again and hanging out with Jews. His like, diabolical again and hanging out with Jews. I mean, I'm excited to see his anti-Semitism grow. It's already so much. I know, but when you start hanging out with Jews. Oh, well, I think he's got good ones.

That really goes through the roof. Should we talk about vultures? Yeah, do you want to cover that first? I don't care what order we do it. We're going to talk about the divorce essay by Emily Gould and the scammer essay by Charlotte Cowles. Emily Gould. Yeah, we're going to talk about two articles Goon. Goon. Goon. Goon. Goon. Goon. Goon. Goon. Goon. Goon.

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But I want to talk firstly about the vultures like logo. Okay. Which is, looks like the Albanian flag. It looks like what? The Albanian flag. Okay. In Kanye West before like maybe a month ago, he like went live and went on like a long rant where he was wearing what looked like a Albanian flag t-shirt, which I guess is actually like part of the vultures concept.

So this brings me to like, you know, a theory that I don't like to talk about. He's been got by the Albanian mob. I'm deferential to the Albanian mob. The Dua Lipa, BB Reha, whatever, lobby. I don't know. All I know is like, I love Albania. I don't love those hoes. It's a great flag.

They do have a good flag. It's a really sick flag. It's one of the best. Yeah, I'll give credit where it's due. But what's your theory? Well, yeah, that he's, I don't know, hanging with the Albanians. He's being extorted by Albanians. Not extorted.

No, I think, I don't know, that they do have some influence in the music industry Based on nothing based on nothing based on My paranoid skits. Oh Well, there's a lot of pop stars that are Albanian Makes you think and there was that whole conspiracy theory that they were doing drug smuggling and money laundering for the Albanian mob Yeah, yeah, yeah, which doesn't seem too far-fetched. I'm not particularly interested in it, but... I just forget about it and then... But Connie doesn't really mention the albums not really...

Albanian in any way. But I did buy some of the merch because I do think it's extremely sick. I'm gonna look into this. It's just like the crest within the two birds, the vultures. And the cover of the album is like him fully clothed and his wife scantily clad. Yeah. I have a theory about this album, which is that it's very optimistic and almost manic. He's like going through a manic episode.

He's just like, me for real. And it's the work of a man in love. He is saying- He sounds like he- He posts about his wife a lot. Yeah, it sounds like he's having a lot of sex. He's definitely like, well, he's having sex, I think, but he's also like, the album's very like gooned out.

I think it's really like the, everything about it, and even the way like it loops and stuff is very, even Raphman's vultures video which is extremely sick But because it was made with AI it also has this like looping very like goon cave effect And the whole album has that vibe because Kanye's not merely a man who has sex, you know, he like Has very sophisticated, I think, like sexual proclivities. He's so addled and desensitized he can't come and has to like jerk off on your face.

He's porn sick. He's 100% porn sick. He's like admitted and talked about it before. There's a lot of men walking around, yeah. And especially at his level of like power and influence and like just sexual depravity. Like, and he's very conflicted. He's like toggling between his poor and sickness and his hatred of women and this like doting devouring mother thing and being the patriarch of a family. and being the patriarch of a family, that line,

I forgot what song it was in, but about, fuck, I'm gonna pull it up. I'm like speaking in a bonnix because I talked to Teregna Sheik. Oh, and talking, his anxiety over parenting, like how he says his daughter's doing all the shit he was doing when he was her age And he doesn't know what to think of it and what to do about it Talking I love that was the first song I heard because he leaked an early version of the album and I

Maddie and I really disagree on this She thinks Northeast flow isn't good, but I think it's adorable Yeah, we're gonna take over the year for another year. It's your bestie, Miss Westie. Was that a Mike Tyson sound bite? That was like, no doubt he has some mental fucking issues, but most leaders do. He has the delusional issue that was Mike Tyson,

like talking in his lisp. Oh, that's interesting. I think so, right? I don't know. I know that I don't want no problems where I don't you don't want no problems That's like from some like cheerleader yelling on tech. Oh, okay. I Mike Tyson is my dream guest for the wow A literal genius like actually watch Adam Friedland swoop in yeah

Don't get him any ideas. Adam Friedland, I will hate crime you. And I love the subtle Wu Tang homage. Not so subtle, yeah. And can it all be so simple where it's like the sample of the original song? I love the back that ass up sample. I thought of you, yeah, I thought I was like, she's gonna like this.

I'm a hip hop historian. And a hip hop historian. I love how nerdy rap music is. Yeah, it's like a perfect, I mean, I'm not really like, I'm not a hip-hop historian, but I am kind of a writer, diaconic, Westpham. And so this album- She does not understand that I only listened to like Keith Sweat and Luther Vandross. I've said it before and I'll say it again. I literally have the same music taste and fashion sense is George Floyd. It's not my fault. I'm East Coast.

You really are, yeah. I have black friends. I actually don't. I have like one and a half black friends. Look, I don't want to talk about it. Don't worry, I have black friends, okay? Like, I don't have to prove it. But it's cute like how Nene Kanye is about that shit. He's a genius. He's a genius and a retard. He's both. And sometimes it takes a retard to be a genius.

And I think, yeah, his mental health is declining, but it's making him stronger as an artist. And that's the most important thing, really. Yeah, for sure. And he does seem relatively happy with Bianca, even though he's clearly in a dark place. Like the album's very dark. I mean, he's always in a dark place. That's not true.

For the last several years. Well, he's been in a dark place ever since the Kardashians put that Armenian curse on him. I mean, I think he's just like a heavy and tragic figure. He's bipolar, as he says in King. He's crazy bipolar, anti-Semitic, and he's still the king. Ha ha ha ha.

And he's still the king. We was kings. He's just just he's like I don't know I'm very pleased with Fultures because I was I really thought they were gonna like lobotomize them yeah you know like he was really off the rails well I'm happy that he's gonna he's working exactly He's roasting the phoenix from the ashes. Exactly. He's working and the songs are good and they're well produced and they're like, I kind of, I texted you, I thought there were like some clunkers. I still kind of think they're on.

Well, what are your favorite and least favorite tracks? So, well, I love vultures, but that's partly because it's like the mind control started running on me because I watched the Raffin videos so many times Carnival I think is super dope. That's the one with like the English like football chanting sample That one is sick, I think paperwork is awesome I really like dancing to that one. I like the whichever one is the one about the beautiful but naked women. Don't fall from the sky, you know.

I do like the song with Northy. I like burn. That one feels the most like personal and the most like kind of like a BPD anthem. I like on problematic when he says, how dare you have another boop in your house eating Papa John's? She cheated on him with Moldovan. That's my friend Moldovan eating Papa John's.

In your girl's hat. He's an ass. He's an ass. Boop, can I say that? Oh yeah, I did, either before I left or when I was lurking on the browser, which is still weirdly called Twitter. So once again, another Jewish Lenten loophole.

If I go on the browser, I type in twitter.com, takes me to X, but it's too glitchy and hard to use so I'm still functionally off of it. But yeah, I saw Muldem and said he tried fish and didn't like it. I saw that too. I actually tweeted back at him back to Papa John's for you. Yeah.

But this was before I heard the Kanye album. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Another thing Kanye's been on about in the video where he's wearing the Albanian crest, he and then he brought it up again in like a TMZ they like ambushed him at the airport. He keeps talking about how they made the twigs double the size to make us fat and like spot the lie.

It's black people problems. I well, maybe on like tick tock making those cooking videos where they just put a bunch of like rum and like Hershey's chocolate blocks and chocolate chips and like fruity pebbles creamer in a blender and mix it up and then like then put it with more chocolate and like a chocolate covered strawberry. I really enjoy a lot of like those despicable cooking videos because it's such a It is like I think a real representation of like female autism Because they're not I'm not even talking about black people like all races like there is this genre of like Female cooking video maker who is not a good cook at all, but loves to autistically place things in little rows.

Yeah, I saw that one, like that really hot girl who was like assembling the chunkiest crustiest looking food on like a parchment paper baking sheet. And they're always putting, they'll put like a block of cream cheese and then raw pasta and then pour water and then put it in the oven. It's like the craziest way.

It's corn, it's literally corn to grab there. I'm good at it. Cause it's like some girl with like delicate dainty hands and Frito-lay nails assembling these like double hog background or ass meals. It's like some ASMR type shit, I think, where it's like satisfying to see the rows and the like, it's not really about the food.

It's like cream pie level. It's supposed to evoke the nastiest gnarliest pornographic acts. While maintaining the cover of being a tradwife. That's my two cents on it. I know what you're talking about, but there's also this sterile variation where the girls aren't really hot and they

do just have these they like feel compelled to make these videos for some reason. I mean, we're all compelled. I know, I really want to make a makeup tutorial. I feel like I know a lot about cosmetics and I could give people some good tips, but-

Yeah. But I know I couldn't- I want an exercise video, it's just like me smoking cigarettes and being racist. I know that I couldn't help myself but like adopt the cadence, you know? Where I'd like be like, and then you just pat, like I'd start talking like that.

It would like, it just would cordycept me too much. Like I have to fight the urge, I'm sorry. I'd love to test my new milk cosmetics, like jelly cooling blushes for everyone But everybody tap in We're doing heroin Tap the vein I like the song where he says hit it from the back and then yells whore really angrily. That's very real to me

I feel like men do feel like that I like the lyric that's about Oh, she takes it up the ass like a ventriloquist that's on carnival Which is wrong of all. Which is wrong. Go say more. Well, it's like technically incorrect, right? Because he's the ventriloquist and she's the dummy. Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of we can't you can't nitpick.

It reminds me of when JC when Jaycee when Jaycee when Jaycee. Famous Beyonce husband, the rapper JC. He's fucking immigrant. He look like a granny raising her daughter's kid. When he's, I forgot what song this was on. It was like on a little Wayne song. He's called the Molotov cocktail, a Molotov cocktail. Mm-hmm.

That's great. That annoyed me. I like when like, I love like race, remand. I love like when you're there, like you're really like, they're so swaggy and so like, it once again takes a retard to be a genius. You can tell they have Indian blood Interesting you think? Because they have those squinty eyes and wide cheekbones. They haven't been on there. I haven't heard from them much. No, I haven't either

I think one of them got more famous than the other. Oh, no sad But I hope they didn't have an oasis style breakup for anything. But I basically stopped listening to like contemporary rap and hip hop around like black Beatles. That's how like out of touch I am. I'm like, damn. Like 2016, I was like, okay, I was like, that's it. That's the best song. Best song I'm gonna hear. Damn. Like 2016, I was like, okay. I was like, that's it, that's the best song.

It's the best song I'm gonna hear. Yeah. I love that song. And then I listened to that album and then like, I guess if Rihanna does something and Drake, I guess I kind of, but not really, not since like- Has Drake done anything lately?

Yeah. He like, cause I was looking at the number one like the music charts there is some Drake song but I haven't listened to it. Yeah, I'm just invested in Kanye is like an artist. Me too. I think like the last semi-contemporary rap song I listened to was like Throw Some Mow by Ray Sremard. Yeah, that's the same. Re-train Nicki Minaj and... We're stunned. 2016. Yeah, no.. After Trump won, I was too traumatized. Young fuck says swag. Terrific.

Totally. He's like not a good rapper, but he's but it's the delivery. It's not about he has charisma like Kanye's not really a good rapper. No, Kanye. OK, see, Eli says this to he was like, well, he's not like as He has charisma. Like Kanye's not really a good rapper. No, Kanye, okay. See Eli says this too, he was like,

well, he's not as good as Lil Wayne or something like that, but he has some good references and good associations because he has that Gemini flow. No, he's talented. You're so lame and white. I know. He's talented. But I think he's just a really good producer.

When he says that line, uh, real geez move in silence, like lasagna. Yeah, I really felt that when he said that. Yeah. I mean, you know, my real dream is honestly, what about when he takes the ball? These. real dream is honestly. What about when he takes the ball these? I was like, damn. That Pope like the way to the weird papal stuff

makes no sense. I love it. He says the Pope like the leader of the Vati can. He do it again. It's so sick dude. It's so bad but it's so dope. My dream is to like have an interview show where I interview rappers.

Okay. Like I would love to interview Fat Joe. Like a Z-Way but like. Yes. For you. I would love to interview Pusha T whatever. It's just, yeah it's like me doing Z-Way but like flipping the script on them.

Yeah, I would love to see that. I would love that. And they just like clown on me and own me the whole time. I mean, I made this note. I want to go on hot ones, really bad. But I just don't think it's gonna happen. I mean, I think if you insist on something long enough, you can, and often enough, you can truly manifest it. Like, they got really famous people on Hot Ones. They do.

Kate, Lynchette, and Sidney Sweeney. Like, I'm kind of like, oh. And I love that new arc of how the host of Hot Ones started dating a porn star and then broke up with her immediately after the news leaked. Oh, I didn't realize he broke up with her. Yeah, that was a big story. Obviously this guy's, well, never mind.

I'm not gonna say anything about the host of Hot Ones because I want to go on the show. So I'm not gonna say anything. I'll have sex with him. Okay, and I will have sex with him and I'll go on just for me to go on Holland's. He's kinda hot. If I remember correctly. I don't find him hot.

Oh, I have to pour the wine. But that's how it always should be. You shouldn't ever have to pour your own drink as a woman. That's another one of my Lenten hacks is that I am not drinking. But the I can't spend money on alcohol or buy a drink or order a drink. But if someone puts a glass of alcohol in front of me, it's okay for me to drink it. So I'm making Anna

pour my lines of. Let's go Lenten power plays. And I make Anna tell me what's going on on X. And post twice as much. And I appreciate it. I've been like posting too much. It feels good to post. It's bad. It's a really bad scene. It's just so, it's like, that's when I actually decided to leave X for Lent a couple of weeks

ago because I was like praying and was like realized I was full. I looked inwards and was like, oh, I'm full of seething rage towards like soul bra and like tan man. full of seething rage towards like, soul bra and like, tan man, like I like don't like these like, based guys that are trying to like, sell me chips and stuff. They just rub me the wrong way. And the algorithm knows that so it's always like, showing me like, these like carnivore retard,

like anti-modernity accounts. These like return people who I can't stand. Well, you know, like if you click on tweets featuring hot women or cute animals, that's what the algorithm will boost into your timeline. But that feels fake and hollow too, because then it starts to feel like Instagram. And my Twitter feed, which before was teeming with racist right wingers is now literally like, Carla Bruni at a fashion show in 1993, or like, look at this monkey and her baby cross a river. It feels like shit.

That's what Instagram is for, which I didn't leave because that feels just less of like a source of like low grade agitation in my life. I just don't think about it as much. Yeah, but it's embarrassing to even say that's why I'm holding myself accountable by admitting it. What? That I'm an internet addict and I have like a problem with x.com.

I know, I know. With this like micro blogging platform for dipshits. Mm-hmm. But I'll be back. And it's super dark because it's basically like And it's it's it's super dark because it's basically like e-girls and Maudlin, sullen gaze doing refried red scare takes.

I mean, everyone seems unusually bitter and backbiting. It seems yeah, really. It's just really negative. So rab. Oh, so negative. Why the negativity? That guy, it dawned on me because I originally, I thought that guy was merely kind of hapless, but I think he's actively harmful. I never liked him.

But just out of instincts. Ditto for Solbra. He's like the count from Sesame Street. But instead of counting girls. He vans the post on Substack. He's like amassing compromise against other people. Oh, because of the sub stack post he wrote. I don't know. I couldn't read it.

The thing about compact mag is I'll pay walled. I'm like, I'm not gonna pay for this shit. I know, again, don't threaten me with a good time. I will simply leave. Come on, you gotta give me something. You gotta hook me a little. will simply leave. Come on, you gotta give me something. You gotta hook me a little.

That's like, I mean, I won't pay for to be verified on X because I feel like it's too much. Neither. That would be really beneath me. I think because I've spent, I've sung so much time. I joined Twitter on my 20th birthday. So I will have been on Twitter for 13 years. Like what?

I know that's like. The fuck? That's like the majority of your formative adult life. That's psycho. That we both squandered on Twitter. I mean, I guess we built an organic following, blah, blah. We are, you know, I can't, you blah. We used it as a social media tool. Sometimes I have a lot of fun on there.

And I do, I was like, I do wonder what Mart's up to. I do like. But every time, well, whatever, I can send you the updates, but is he gonna fuck his brother's girlfriend? Like, is he fabbed yet? Like. his brother's girlfriend, like, is he fapped yet? I like have made historically online friends and still like have internet friends. I don't I know that makes me a loser, but

I don't care. It's there was like some moment of critical mass where like, you had more online friends than real friends. Damn. I have more real friends, I'd say. Yeah, but how much of them did you meet online? Well, exactly, I was just part of it too. I guess technically we met online. We met online, I met Maddie online.

Yeah, you met Maddie online, I met Amber online. Yeah, I met all these people in the internet. I'm talking about old friends, not new andons that we've befriended. Oh, well, I mean, it is to an alegrato met that guy online. Same. Lea Jospy. But that was like a different it was just a different was a different ways. Well, been a different website than what it is now. Now it's really so. What if Felix Biedermann had a good line about this where he said that Twitter was more mean but less cruel? In that era, he's correct about that.

Yeah. It felt more footloose and fancy-free. Now it feels like very grandfathered in. Like, yes, you can say retarded and the N-word on Twitter, thanks to Elon. Yeah, I want a little more, a little more sensoria. I want some restrictions just to reign it in. Like people work better actually with some restriction.

With constraint. I don't know if I want like the sensoriasness that prevailed when that Pajit was running Twitter. Is that the correct term? I still don't know what that means by the way, you guys. Before Elon took over, that was a really dark and bad period in the history of Twitter, but. I just want some regulation.

I just want to go back to the good old days. I'm so old. I'm like the Wu-Tang Clan. I just want to go, yeah. I want to wake up from a coma and like black Beatles is playing. And someone's like, you hit your head. Like, what are you talking about? Who's Soulbra?

What do you mean people are eating raw meat? Let's go do the mannequin challenge. The ice bucket challenge. The mannequin challenge was a black Beatles thing remember no oh when everybody Stood still yeah, that's impressive But you have to have like a lot of friends to do it so I was never able to yeah It's just you standing alone Mart posting Yeah. Mark posting.

Anyway. Should we talk about these? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Speaking of Mark, who's a prophet, I think, about contemporary relationships. Relationships. Exactly. This Emily Gould piece that she wrote about wanting to get divorced from her husband and having a mental breakdown i'll reiterate what i said at the beginning

of this show like i just wish y'all hadn't done this because i really sympathize with both of these women like this is something that could totally happen to me I could totally have a nervous breakdown. I could totally get scammed Like I yeah, like I feel vulnerable to both of these fates in a way. Well, I think that's the point Yeah But I would never I was you got to keep that to yourself. I know I would never, you gotta keep that to yourself. I know. It's that classic thing that all people,

but especially women have where they like, who told you to write this. Seek consolation. And then her husband. I mean, their editors put them up to it. Keith Gessen. Yes, Emily Gold wrote an essay about how she almost divorced her husband, Keith Gessen,

who's the younger brother of Masha Gessen, but they ultimately worked through it and decided against it. And in it, she confesses to cheating on him. I think publicly cucking your husband by publishing and incriminating and humiliating account of the inner workings of your family and marriage is so much worse than literally cucking him. 100%. I mean, these guys, because they're like feminist male allies, they have to keep taking it on the chin. I mean, they deserve each other, I guess. He probably likes it.

He probably, ugh. And yeah, because the whole thing's also about the reason she had all this resentment towards him was because she felt he held her back from Yeah, having a being a having a prominent writing career Yeah, but like also notice the other girl Charlotte Cowles who got scammed in the other piece Which we're gonna talk about she also sort of rhetorically cocks her husband to make herself feel better In the course of that piece where when she says that he quote,

makes spreadsheets for a living. Oh, I missed that detail. But okay, so in 2022, Emily- I think she means that in endearing way. Yeah, but- Cause she's making a real case for like, I'm not the kind of person like- Yeah.

My husband, he could never be a drug smug there. I floss, blah, blah, like where so, so we live in Brooklyn? Where's so normal? Where's so, you know, it's like, if something's wrong with you. Yeah, I mean, again, we'll get to this, but these are the people that want to convince you that your view of the world is wrong and clownish. Which is meaning what? Like whatever, all of our like wrong think opinions are inaccurate, not based in reality.

Like adultery is wrong. Yeah, but you're the one getting scammed bitch. Anyway, so in 2022, Emily Gould is having a mental health crisis. She doesn't know it yet. She says, I felt invincible, alive, powerful and self-assured, troubled only by impatience with how slowly everything around me was moving and thinking.

Drinking felt necessary. It's slightly calmed my racing brain. Some days I'd have drinks with breakfast, lunch, and dinner, which I ate at restaurants, so the drink order didn't seem too unusual. Who doesn't have an apparel spritz on the way home from the gym in the morning? So she's acting like us on a baseline normal day.

Yeah. Okay. She's having acting like us on like a baseline normal day. Yeah. Okay. She's having a normal experience of being a woman. She talks about how she started building a case against her husband and her mind. Mm-hmm. And, you know, she cops to the fact that her dissatisfaction with him is based in competition.

Mm-hmm. But doesn't acknowledge that the competition is based in feelings of stagnation in her own life. She's sort of aware of it. She sets it up for us. She says we were incompatible in every way except that we could talk to each other as we could to no one else.

But that seemed beside the point. She says he puts his career first. She drinks too much and spends too much money. I love how Keith literally risked his life going on a reporting trip to Ukraine so he could get away from his family. It still pissed this bitch off. And she admits to looking for a definitive moment to leave and she was kind of waiting for it and got it. Which was also very, it's so female. Yeah, but I appreciate how openly and transparently she writes about this.

And she is a good and engaging writer to her credit. She is and that's why I think it's beneath her to publish this like click baity thing. When like, there's like a precedent, right? For like a writer going insane, like Fitzgerald's the crack up. Like it, you know, writers are make it fiction. Talented writers are drunk and insane often.

And Kanye. Yeah. All sorts of like tons of them. And, but there's like a dignified forum in which you can like, yeah, she could have explored this in a work of fiction. She could have even like done maybe something more memoiristic that was just a little more tasteful.

Like this is so like, I think this will probably be a chapter in a book. Notice how a lot of her lament is how she's had to put her career on hold to shoulder most of the burden for childcare and Bobbler as the woman who went insane. But she hasn't actually done that. She's kept writing and she's going to keep writing. It's all in her head, in other words.

Mm-hmm. Like, you almost get the sense that like the tension, the friction is necessary to her process. But again, many such cases, but like, it's a lack of like dignity is the issue. I agree with that. But so eventually she commits herself to a psych ward and gets diagnosed as a physical ward.

She's got girl interrupted syndrome, big time. Throughout her institutionalization, she maintains that she's sane and that the real problem is divorce. Eventually, her mania turns into depression due to all the anti-psychotics she's on. She can't stop crying. She's released and starts living alone but in their home because she can't afford to leave. Women love this. She only interacts with Keith when they're with their children. Women love this is exactly what women do. I felt a newfound clarity, Keith and I had fundamentally incompatible selves. Our marriage had been built on a flaw.

My husband was older, more established and successful in his career. These were the facts. So it had to be my job to do more of the work at home. Unless of course I decided to take myself and my work seriously as he took his. But that was unappealing. I had managed to publish three books before turning 40, but I didn't want to work all the time like he does. I wondered if my marriage would always feel like a competition and the only way to call the competition a draw would be to end it. She quotes Rachel Cusk, who posits that men and women who marry and have

children are perpetually fighting separate battles, battles lost to each other. I think it's like very easy to mock Emily Gould for being like entitled and retarded and narcissistic. She's like an example of everything that's wrong with modern women. She has celiac disease. She has celiac disease. She's a libtard. She has long COVID.

Her husband got her the wrong type of food and she... She has all those things, by the way. Like, who are we there saying? There's no use in denying it. And, you know, she's only thinking about getting a divorce because she has the luxury of doing something that in previous times, earlier people thought of as unthinkable.

So, but I really do like have a lot of sympathy both thought of as unthinkable. But I really do like have a lot of sympathy for her predicament. For sure, I mean, yeah. Definitely, I mean, yeah. She's describing something very, yeah, like, as I said, like this is like kind of female stuff. Like it's the state of contemporary, like urbanized womanhood.

I can't relate to like the, I can't relate to her idea of marriage as a competition. Because I feel like I've been financially successful because I don't give a fuck. And also let's be really, we're unmarried. We're unmarried, so. Let's start with that. But I also agree, I don't see relationships that way.

Not that I've had, you know, I don't really have like authority to speak on like successful relationships. We've always been more successful than I'd be dated. That's not so true for me. But like having a child and living with a man is hard. It's men are frustrating. Marriage is hard, I guess.

Well, I have a take on this, but men are frustrating in part because they're oblivious to how frustrating they are. Like they come home, they throw their boxers on the ground, they fling open the cabinets, they don't really respect the space, that sort of thing, I get it. But-

Who wouldn't go crazy? I mean- And when there's a kid in the mix, obviously the nature of the relationship always changes. There's new stresses, new resentments, that sort of thing. Um, but it's so female to even like, I mean, I fantasize about being institutionalized. Yeah. And being the most like,

well, she was very nervous about it because she thought that, um, I don't buy that if they really got divorced, she might have her kids taken away from her because it's not a good look to have a psychiatric break while conning to family court. I know, but I kind of feel like she, I think women know what they're doing and women like being institutionalized and they link being like the most special,

most interrupted girl. Yeah, and it's just like in same-pacing cause on life, taking a break from your responsibilities and obligations. Yeah. I mean, I have all these frustrations with every single man I've been with. But they're a trifle as far as the big picture is concerned. If somebody is like a doting and present father.

But I had this thought also, I wanted to say reading gone with the wind because it hit me like a ton of bricks. I hope people understand that when I say what I'm about to say, it's from the perspective of like a liberated modern woman who likes my autonomy and independence and doesn't want to go back to the way things were. But men are really not meant to have as much involvement in the rearing of children early on in life as they do in our society. It's completely unnatural and weird.

And throughout history, the model that's prevailed is women raising children in a community of female relations. A long house. Yeah, a long house, yeah. I agree with you, but I think that's, it's just one, it's like, it's not enough to just rectify like this one aspect, it's like a multifaceted. We can't rectify it because we now have two income households. So men literally have to step in and step up.

There's no other way around it. And you know, we should be so lucky that so many of them are willing to do it. But it's not an ideal situation. And actually, Camille Paglia has a really great kind of post Freudian theory on this, that the reason so many people are so coddled and neurotic is because they spent their early formative years in insular nuclear families versus large extended clans. They were never shit tested or submitted to character building. Only to the aggressive whims of their parents. The couple, right?

Yeah. And like. It's like Kramer versus Kramer. For firstborns and onies such as myself, especially, I think like three people is a very unstable, like a triangle is a very unstable dynamic. Yeah, this is exactly Polly's point. And like, I'm not trad, I'm not a conservatard. We wore those heavy wigs and corsets and like boned skirts or whatever, the Elena Vela thing. And that was tough.

I can't imagine how it was for women who had to do that every day, like wake up and do that every day. Well, they had, that was all they had to do. When it's all you have to do, and you're literally, it's like the thing about the- You didn't have to answer emails or make spreadsheets. No, the thing about, right, like,

that's interesting about the Antebellum South was that it was like a their ethical system was based on honor. So like the honor of women was kind of this like, we bound up and virtue and women then exerted all this like social control via gossip as they're one to do women are like like, it's made them more conniving and, you know. Well, they had a lot of power, but in a private unofficial sphere. Yeah, but they were basically utterly disempowered formally. Yes.

And so all they had to do, like they weren't even really ever allowed to read like non- I'm sorry, this literature. They weren't allowed to read PDFs. They had to read, they had to read kind of like frivolous novels. They couldn't listen to Kanye. They had to basically be like, Gaysha's, who read kind of like frivolous novels. They couldn't listen to Kanye. They had to basically be like geishas who like kind of

could have a conversation and kind of, but while also maintaining their like virtue and chastity. Like the idea in the South about female sexuality was that it was like dangerous, which is correct. And something that it was up to men to kind of like bound up and protect women from themselves. And that, but that went out the window like a long, a long time ago.

Yeah, it was like blacks and women need a conservatorship. That was the essence of that model. But you know, it's like, okay, but it wasn't so great. Yeah, and you know, it was different. And certain things functioned better. Like you said, maybe IE the rearing of children. Yeah. I don't know because I'm a child listen. I'm married, but like Certain things function better, but there was also like I don't know

Well, when you like what's happening? What happened to Emily Gould is like just a Contemporary version of like female hysteria. Yeah, but when yeah when you spend so much time With another person in close quarters, especially taking care of a child, you start to like lose respect for each other. I'd say- Inevitably. Well, and that's why Mart's really onto something

when he talks about like relationships just being this like thing that doesn't need, they're not even based in, he's had some teeth that was like they're not even based in duty anymore. It's just like it's nothing. Like a relationship is nothing. And a woman's love is worthless. A woman's love is trash.

Sorry, I'm really mark. I know, I know. But the thing that she realizes observing Keith is that men, you know, they find time to do their jobs and they don't think I had. And the competition that she's talking about is ultimately one sided, right? Like it's it's an inner war with herself. And I actually think this is my hot take. This piece has nothing to do with marriage or divorce. It has everything to do with motherhood.

The innate biological strains of motherhood. Interesting. When you become a mom, you realize very quickly that it's probably better and more important than quote being ambitious, but we as modern women are all programmed to be ambitious. And it's very hard to part with our ambition. So you're faced with a trade off, a choice that you can then kind of offload pawn off onto your husband, make him a villain because he's so footloose and fancy free.

And he's achieved things and marriage exacerbates this dynamic because it adds like the context of comparison. Right. Because you have another person who's not burdened by the same guilt and anxiety. I gotta say, I live alone. And it's great. As much as I really believe in love, loving and love addict, whatever, I see a lot of people in relationships and I'm like, that seems like shit, that sucks.

That like, I- Well a lot of women I know are like, well what's up with, what's wrong with modern men? They can't commit. But it's like, you can't commit either, let's be real. I definitely don't think men can't commit. I think some else wrong. But it's like a source of joy and peace to be alone. Yeah, I just think it's nice to have your own space,

like duh, and you can't go back. But it's nice to be in love and share your life with someone too. And yeah, and so when she says that she doesn't work, wanna work as much as Keith and wants to be with the kids, like, well, why? Because she's a mother and it's also like an innate biological drive that she unlocked when she had the kids in the first place. And she can't compete with Keith because he doesn't have that same drive. Yeah. have that same drive. Yeah, though, then doesn't she describe at some point like when

they got into like the custody of it all like the logistics of divorce like that just seemed so unfathomable to both of them? Yeah, yeah, I think she talks about like the idea of negotiating splitting cuss that was like part of what made the divorce untenable, which is correct. I mean, yeah, I mean, ultimately, I think they made the right choice. Well, of course. And that makes her, you know, account redeemable or whatever. I wouldn't have written it.

I would have written. I mean, I would have written some, I would have written a little auto fiction novella. Yeah. But like, okay, like I'll be brutally honest. I'm jealous and resentful of Eli sometimes because he essentially clocks into work every day. He goes to the studio or whatever. And like, I don't have such a luxury

because I work from home. So everything is like scattered with the artifacts, the presence of my motherhood, you know? You could get an office. I could get an office, yeah, but that's the bind that she's in and she's not being exactly honest about it. And I keep telling myself that the reason that I haven't done what people expect of me,

like write a book or something, it's because I'm a mom, I'm exhausted. I'm stressed out. The baby needs me, but that's all cope through and through down the line. It's because I don't feel like it because I'm afraid and the pressure is off. I mean, yeah, I mean, you have, you have a podcast. Yeah. And I have, you have a podcast. Yeah, and I have a- You have Dasha.

Yes, I have Dasha and I have Lenny and like- And it's like, I don't know. There's no urgency anymore. You literally just feel the ambition leaving your body. I had dinner with Peter, Vak and Eugene on Valentine's Day. That's cute. And we all were talking about filmmaking.

And I really do, I have ambitions as a filmmaker, but I don't have the same. Like I do think there's a different way in which men, yeah, they're just always going to be more prolific like I don't feel like I need to make a movie every year, you know, like I could make, I'd be happy if I made like seven movies like in my life, you know? That seems like realistic for me, but I'm also extremely lazy. I'm not even that's, but that's the thing that that Emily cannot be honest about. She's like 70% honest, but there's like the 30% that's left unsaid.

That's really what damns her version of events. Well, Polly also says when she talks about women, I think it's in sexual persona about literally the biological reality of like not merely motherhood, but even like immense, like she says, Polya says, yeah, the reminder of motherhood, the reminder of looming mother. She says a woman's will is thwarted once a month. Yeah, literally our bodies like thwart us and make us like hormonal and insane And I'm either all my period about to get my period ovulating. That's what I'm saying It's not just a week of your time. It's like two and a half three weeks of your

Basically, there's like a week of every month that I feel Something that could be described as normal. I think I'm gonna read and the rest of time. I'm hormonal and retarded I know and like can't function like not in control It's just harder, but that's why when women are able to do something. I think it's more special. Yeah, it's incredibly impressive I just did a podcast with Jack for the fifth anniversary of the perfume Nationals where we talked about Lenny refin stahl Oh, yeah, she's a person who's always been very inspiring to me because She's like a scarlet O'Harrick character. Female filmmaker Friday.

And she has, as I said on that pod, this like amazing mix of like willful, female ignorance, I think so, and masculine will to power. She's completely like, does the small bean act about the nature and extent of her involvement with Hitler and the Third Reich, you know? As she deserves to.

Right, because she wasn't at the end of the day an ideological partisan, though she may have actually bought into the spirit of their message, I'm sure she did. She clearly was a person who felt things deeply and was like drawn into like sentiments of the zeitgeist That's what made her yeah, you know a filmmaker and she says very flippantly I could have made the same film in Moscow or a Peking if they'd asked me I would have preferred not to but I believe that I believe that too Yeah, yeah, I said that but she don't she preferred to make it but I think distinctly about Lenny Riffenstahl,

well, she was already an actress in Germany. She was already like working. And she could have stopped it being an actress. She's just like, you for real. I think she could have had like a very like impactful and fruitful career as an actress because she, literally the camera loved her. She was beautiful on camera and she was a dancer, had an amazing physique.

But she wanted to make movies. And but to your point, she did not have children. Mm-hmm. She was unmarried and childless her entire life. So that's why she was able to like, you know, I do think. Yeah, and that's your, that's your model. And I think on some level, she never felt driven to motherhood. Yeah, which it's not for everyone.

Because she felt driven to do other things. But OK, a buddy of mine said this, the Gould essay was interesting because you get a glimpse into the mind of a woman who has zero sense of duty or putting her own needs behind that of her household. The entire crisis is precipitated by her refusal to accept that her ambitions are unimportant and that she's not talented or hardworking enough to see them through. That's a harsher male read of what I'm saying. I don't think her unambitions are unimportant to the extent that you decide how important your ambitions are.

Well, exactly. I don't think anyone else can say how important or unimportant her situation is. And also I do think when you factor in, and I believe in like, I'm not like a DSM head, but I believe like that she legitimately was like having some kind of mental, like there's mental illness. Yeah, I mean she's-

That women are especially prone to due to these like realities of not only their biology, but their like social circumstance. Yeah, I mean, it was clearly an interaction like also between her antidepressants and her lifestyle. She was drinking and chain smoking. But the question is like- But back in the day, they would have just gotten like

in the Victorian era, they would have just gotten a nice doctor to come and finger her. To jerk her off. Yeah. And we can't get- And in the 50s and 60s, they would have just gotten a nice doctor to come and finger her. To jerk her off. Yeah. And then in the 50s and 60s, they would have lobotomized her. That's the real issue. Like, we don't have doctors around to finger us until we feel better.

So we just have to deal with all of these like charged emotions inside of us. That are like beyond our control. But that's like beyond our control. But that's like, okay, do you pursue your ambitions at the expense of your family? Or do you choose your family and turn your back on your ambitions? That's the trade-off.

That's the nature of the breakdown in her marriage. And men are always going to be more comfortable doing that sort of thing. Maybe I've told this on the story. Because they're productive, not reproductive. Maybe I've told this on the pod before, but when I was a close friend and waitress of Harold Budd, peace be upon him, we spent a lot of time together because he would come to the French restaurant I worked at and get like day drunk and I didn't know who he was for a while I thought it was just like some old man who I liked and then I asked him once

What he did before he retired and he was like I'm not retired. I'm like a really famous like avant-garde composer and I asked him once what he did on his 30th birthday because my boyfriend at the time was about to turn 30. And he was like, I don't remember. He was like, but on my 50th birthday, I abandoned my family and moved to Europe to work with Brian, you know, and it was the best decision I ever made. Okay, so that there's your model, Like either you do the Emily Gould thing and actually decide that your family is worth fighting for

or you become like a Susan Sontag like character. She did the same thing as Harold Budge. She had a kid very young in her life. She was like 20, 21. She abandoned him to like chop it up in Europe with the leading intellectuals and celebrities of the day. chop it up in Europe with the leading intellectuals and celebrities of the day. There's another model I'd like to introduce.

Gay marriage. No. Um, Elaine May. Which is what? Who's that? I don't know enough about her. She had a baby when she was 18. Jeannie Berlin. And continued to like,

but she was a gutsy Jewish broad with good family values. She like raised her daughter, she made movies. She put her daughter when she was older in the heartbreak kid. She like made a life for herself as a mother and as a creative. I think like it is possible. I mean Ruth Bader Ginsburg who is also, she's frankly inspirational,

not for her politics, which are abhorrent, but for the example she set, sorry, I'm gonna pour some more. Oh no, no, no. She, you know, when she was putting herself through law school, at the time she had a young child and her husband was suffering from cancer and she made it work but I mean the will is an amazing thing. Well in order to make it work you have to have an iron will in a solid work ethic and you know a lot of

men have been implying that Emily Gould is not talented enough. That's not her problem. She has, she's talented enough for sure. Just said disparagingly, she's talented enough. I don't think she's like a once in a gender, I don't think she's like a genius. I don't think she like- But she belongs in the room.

Sure. And it's not a problem of talent, it's a problem of willpower and work ethic. It's a problem of the room. This buddy of mine also pointed out that Emily Gould turned to all these feminist self-help books for guidance instead of reading something timeless like Anna Karenina. So true, King. for guidance instead of reading something timeless like Anna Crenna, so true king. Or like, well, St. John Chrysostoms on marriage and family. Yeah, like something classic timeless

or just turning inward and coming face to face, like confronting her own heart. Well, that's what that Polly bitch did too. She like found all these bitches who wrote books, so that's okay to be a dumb stupid slut. And Charlotte Cowles, who immediately after she got scammed, started consulting experts in studies, which basically just like confirmed her version of events.

Like, oh, it's not your fault that you got scammed because you were really worried about your child and you were under duress and blah, blah, blah. Well, it reminded me of what Mark Crispin Miller said on our show where he said that it is like the most like quote, experted and accredited people who are the most vulnerable to propaganda. Yeah.

Cause they've already had a tweet today that was like study shows that people who cite studies are most vulnerable to being scammed. Exactly. It's like you've, you've placed so much trust. You're such a conformist and you've placed so much trust into like Amazon. Like that's the thing about the scam, right? So what happened to her is like, she got a call from Amazon. Yeah.

And she thinks that she thought that in her like female confusion, which once again, I can relate, she thought that Amazon had some kind of direct line to the CIA. Yeah. And the FTC and all these government agencies and da, da, da, da. But like, okay, what, okay. In your moment of crisis, when you're in existential free fall, what do you do?

You consult the sources that most affirm your coping and narcissistic narrative. Yeah. I think everyone does that in some fashion, except the very brave and exemplary among us. It's very human, I think, to be like, I got fucking scammed. It's like, actually, a lot of people get scammed.

Well, apparently, more than we think. Yeah, but it's actually, you know, as this guy pointed out, it's interesting that she found this like pre-made world of women with similar problems writing about how divorce is amazing and marriage is a prison. I can't believe there are so many other like-minded accounts. Like, and I mean, the fact of the matter is that like these women who have like a lot of ambition, but maybe again, not that much talent or work ethic, they get married and have kids.

And then they find themselves like slipping into this domestic role that they were basically born for as he puts it. And that's what precipitates the mental breakdown. Yeah. I mean, Housewives in the 50s, right? They were all just on valium. Yeah, but they're fighting against their nature, essentially.

How so? Well, because it's, you know, it's very obvious that the, the role they were meant to play, first and foremost was a mother. That's why they did it. And now they're offloading their own guilt and anxiety at having to make a very brutal choice. Don't you think that guilt and onto their husbands the guilt and anxiety manifests because of like another inborn kind of instincts or will

to be. Which is to be free and to seek recognition. Yeah, to be creative, let's say. Or like whatever to be. But yeah, but that but that's also on, I think, I don't know, I don't really know anything about Emily Goulds She used to be kind of like a literary it girl and Gawker contributor, that's all I know about her okay um

But yeah my sense is that She it's just is about just about it is just a a question of will. I mean, it's okay. Like don't get me wrong again. I relate to and sympathize with Emily Gould. Of course. But it is a question of taking responsibility, taking personal responsibility and not blaming men. It's not even a question again of will or work ethic

at the end of the day. It's a question of being able to acknowledge what your part is. But also broadly, it's a question about what marriage or a partnership or a family even like meet. It entails, yeah. Which is like, does entail a sense of duty? Yeah, which is an instance.

And like what you base- It's not using your kids as like content, can and fodder. And what you base a marriage on shouldn't be maybe like that you can talk to someone, you know, like it should be like, that's why I feel so like alienated by a lot of like contemporary relationships, which I also have access to right through like TikTok and link people's like performance of their relationships, but I think that they're like I

Don't know. It's like it just feels like a very like NPC way to get married It's a very NPC contemporary idea that your partner should be your best friend. Yeah, like that's not you should marry. You're like married. Like married. Yeah, exactly. No, marriage should be something that like is built on some kind of like bedrock. That then can withstand the like, and then that that bedrock might not be like that you and Keith Gessen can like hang out at a party together.

Like that's kind of shallow. Yeah. And like, um, summarize the same political talking points. Exactly. Like all of that feels like where she got like lost in the sauce. I mean, I think like a marriage should be like a sense of duty to your legacy. But that, that also implies understanding that your children are more important than you. So it doesn't really, when you have children, it doesn't really matter whether you go on

to achieve something or not in your career. Because your personhood is subordinate to theirs. Now we're getting into all these dicey conversations that end at abortion. Oh, we don't need to get into that. But when like, disposable income having, libtard women talk about issues like divorce and abortion by citing like poor black women in red states who are gonna have to get bust into whatever,

making it a moral argument. What they're really talking about is the fact that they don't wanna take a hit to their own lifestyle. Yeah. Here's the problem with the emancipation of women. There's no easy answers, right? So you actually have to take personal responsibility. That which is without remedy should be without regard.

What's done is done. That's Shakespeare. That's Macabeth. That's true. Like it's done. We did it. We emancipated these chicks. We did it in girls, yeah. And like now we just have to deal with like,

but women had mental illness before and it was managed in different ways. And now women have this new kind of mental illness that we're gonna have to figure out how to manage in other ways. But men are just- You can't have freedom without responsibility and women as a class are-

I think women are kind of proving- are allergic to responsibility. But they're kind of proving that they can. Well, I should clarify that. But they'll be miserable and have mental breakdown. Because women are actually at the end of the day very responsible in certain specific ways. Some of them.

Yeah, they can be, right? But where they're totally irresponsible is about being honest about their motivations. Though to Emily Gould's credit, she's pretty honest. It's just my issue isn't that she's like lying or obfuscating except in the like ways that we've discussed, it's really just, it's like, you do not need to air this out. Like, don't, I would not do this. Yeah, and like what's the- I don't understand what would compel someone to do this.

What's the psychological desire there? To want to have a literary career. Well, yeah, and to want to be credited, recognized for her sacrifice. And to dramatize your life so much that it, you know, like gives you fodder for your writing career, which is like, I mean, her career, her ambitions are pretty naked.

Like she wants to be some kind of literary person. Literary darling. And she despises her husband because he... But that's also more successful than her? But that's also delusional because I'm familiar vaguely with both Emily Gould and Keith Gessen. And I've never viewed Keith Gessen as being more successful than Emily Gould.

In my mind, they're actually perfectly matched and neck and neck. Yeah, like I said, I think they deserve each other. But he also wrote- I know you struggle with this because you're trying to get your avant jazz career off the ground. And Eli's shadow just looms so large that like no one takes you seriously as like a jazz musician. But to that point, it's also really good to pick someone

that's in a different field, gotta say. Like I wouldn't, I would never marry an actor. No, not because of that, but because they're actors or DPV. For a lot of other reasons, but I also maybe wouldn't, I don't think me and a director would necessarily have, but not totally, no. I feel like that's one of the oldest relationships.

Well, actress or actor, but like two, well, I guess Greta Gerwig's doing it, but look at that cuck. You know, it's like, you can't, I don't want to cuck my husband and gradually lose respect for him by like achieving my ambitions. I want to pursue them in a way that like doesn't, but that's the other thing.

Impact my relationship. That Emily never stops to ask. What happens in the scenario where she becomes vastly more successful than Keith? Well, she's going to lose respect for him and he's going to be competitive with her. You should be so lucky to have a husband who is like prioritizing his career ambitions.

Like the inverse is much worse of how I think. Yeah, like having like a weird, loafer bong smoking husband who plays video games all day. What are you talking about? Yeah, he's like wants to be like a house dad. Like that's just another slippery slope to like divorce. I know, but that's the other.

So pick your battles, ladies. Of women's lib. Is that like women when liberated start to resent literally everything before they only resented one thing because they were curbed and it didn't occur to them. Yeah, it was simpler. And now as a man, you know, you're damned if you do,

damned if you don't. If you're the breadwinner, she resents you because her career is not popping off. If you're a house dad, she resents you because you're a loser. Ladies? You know, Mart is so right. Dude, I'm saying. I got.

He's the only person on Twitter is making any sense these days. So like Mart's right. And I don't know. He's prophetic, he was correct. But I hope that she- But I believe in love as black-filled as I am. As much as like a fem cell retard as I am. Like I do believe in love as black-filled as I am, as much as like a fem cell retard as I am. Like I do believe in love and I want marriage

to be something bigger than what it feels like now. Yeah, I want it to be a little lower. Or the way that it's narrativized. Yeah, like I want like a real like spiritual union with somebody that you are like duty bound to. That's what a marriage is. You don't get to get divorced. I know.

What if you just didn't get to? What then? Well, it's funny because after all this the stir-mound drank. Watch me get divorced. Watch me get fucking divorced, say. Yeah, marry or get divorced. Watch me get fucking divorced. Say, watch me get fucking divorced and write an essay in the cut. And like Wikipedia article is updated.

It's like she was married to this guy from 2024 to 2024. 2024. 2024. For sure. Did you know I'm writing something about Nastasia Kinski. Oh yeah. And I learned today that she did get married to an Egyptian film producer for like 10 years,

had two kids with him really quick. Okay. And then had that whole relationship with Quincy Jones, but was married prior and has three kids, three or four I think. Oh good for her. See, I like women like that. Women who know who are honest.

Who have a career, but low-key also have kids and don't really publicize it. She took some time off. She didn't, you know, she really wanted to have a family because her family life was obviously so tumultuous because of her father that she prioritized. It's just really about like what you're prioritizing. Yeah. And you can kind of you have to figure out. It's about your willingness to prioritize, which again involves very hard trade-offs. Yeah. That you and only you are responsible for.

Because the sort of men that we have access to are willing to meet us halfway. Yeah. Like more or less. Yeah. I have a hard time. I have a sense of bad. I mean, I hate men sometimes, but I have a hard time. I mean, I hate men sometimes,

but I have a hard time really hating them. I hate men. Because they're so dopey and they mean well. It's like that Lacanye line where he's like, Ever since I lost my mom, you became like my foster mom. You held me like, Very Freud, your only son. Yikes, yeah.

He's got his mommy GF. She's busting it down. You held me like very Freud-y. Your only son. Yikes, yeah. He's got his mommy GF. She's busting it down. She seems like an amazing woman with an incredible body. Who, Bianca, since where are you? Yeah. She's got those heavy hangers. She's amazing. Are those things real?

I think so. I think she's natty and like, he says she has a 145 like you. He like, he made this really unhinged. and like he says she has a 145 like you. He like he made this really unhinged. Well it seems adjusted for women but. He made a very unhinged but kind of sweet video that he posted on Instagram of him being like, why are you talking about how I post my wife too much?

He was like, I post my wife because she makes me happy. And you like the album because I'm happy and it's because my wife makes me happy. And I post my wife. And if you don't like what I post, so I really do so much. You don't like what I post. Well, okay, when I, I'm speaking today

that I'm having a manic episode. I don't sound like it, but I am. You're so naturally low energy that this is mania for you. I feel very lucid and clear about things. Yeah, yeah. I've kind of said... Confronted certain hard truths. Yeah, girl, yeah. Go on, yes.

I've got my own personal inadequacies and shortcomings. I was talking about it with my shrink. You're having a break. It's not a breakdown. It's a breakthrough. Breakthrough. I'm like, uh. Speaking of which, sorry, quickly. Oh, fuck, what's that woman's name?

The Povlisist. Which one? Wait, give me my points. Kelly Catrone. Kelly Catrone has a kid, has an amazing memoir, called If You Have to Cry Go Outside about how she came up in PR in New York and that's where I got that from. She has a whole chapter called

The Son of Breakdown to Breakthrough. And she was like a junkie before and then she like, her life was a fucking, but she did it. Yeah, she did. While looking the way she does, she's amazing. That's so mean. Well, she's, you know, she never wears makeup. She's like leaning into like looking, you know wears makeup. She's leaning into looking like.

She's a real bulldog of a woman. Yeah. I mean, just like actually, she's never had a blowout in her life probably. Two separate people told me after the YARB and Hananya debate, well, OK, I get you. I get YARB and but what's the deal with Hananya? He doesn't belong in the room.

He doesn't deserve to be here. And I said, no, no, no, he does strictly by being here. He's inserted himself. That's how it works. Yeah. And he said something to me that I found very touching and relatable about how he used to be like an ugly duckling and poorly socialized and borderline autistic and all this shit and how he really.

He still seems like all those things. Yes, yeah, he said to me, if you met me 10 or 15 years ago, you wouldn't have recognized me. It doesn't, it may not look like it, but that man really achieved a triumph of the will. Okay. He showed me pictures of his children on his phone.

Okay. I'm not gonna, hey. I'm just saying, like it may not look like it to us from the outside looking in, but that man has clearly done a lot of work on himself as a person. And. Respect.

You know, when people say like, oh, well, he's doing damage control, he's doing PR for himself when he writes all these articles about how I'm neurodivergent, and I used to suck because I was a racist and non-ship poster on obscure forums. And everybody's like, you're still weird autistic racist. What is he doing now? He's on X? And they're and everybody's like, you're still weird.

Autistic. He's on X and they think but they think that it's he's being disingenuous and he's just trying to cover his ass. I don't I think that's only half true. I think he really has changed and softened with age. He seems too autistic to be disingenuous. Yeah, he's I believe you. He's going to have to win me over a lot more I'm just saying anybody who who he was like what is Toshe?

Banania I don't hate him I like don't I just he's He's your Nick Funtas Nick Funtas is your Nick Funtas Nick Funtas? What do I want to say? He posts just like you just incendiary stuff. And when I met him, he's annoying. I deliver. He doesn't on purpose.

He knows what he's doing. I know. He is a really good troll. But OK, you're not autistic. You're just poorly socialized. I can relate to that. Should we talk about the scammed lady? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaking of having no survival skills, being... Okay, so yeah, this is very interesting. This lady, Charlotte Cowles, she's a financial advisor for the cut. No. Financial advisor. That's good financial advice. Don't get spugged and scammed.

Or do you get scammed and write all about it to prove your loss? Or write all about it. She wrote an essay about who she got scammed at a 50K. She handed it over a box with money to a man who claimed to know her address and her social security number. Her kid was playing in the backyard, whatever.

My fantasy is that she's just like Emily Gould. I keep on saying Emily Gould. I keep wanting to say Elliot Gould. And that she is lying. She had a nervous breakdown. She gave her boyfriend, she's cucking her husband. She gave her boyfriend $50,000 and she concocted this whole story to cover it up. That would be nice.

That's kind of, I don't think that, but that would be interesting. She says, when I've told people the story, most of them say the same thing. You don't seem like the type of person this would happen to. What they mean is I'm not senile, hysterical or rude, wrong. But these stereotypes are actually false. Younger adults, Gen Z millennials and Gen X are 34% more likely to report losing money to fraud compared to those over 60 according to a recent report from the Federal Trade Commission. Another study found that well-educated people-

The Federal Trade Commission that's- That's not that pretty- Scam, no! I know, I know, girl! What?! No! Another study found that well-educated people are those with good jobs or just as vulnerable to scams as everyone else. You mean more vulnerable? This is also a huge cell phone.

Still, how could I have been such easy prey? Scam victims tend to be single, lonely, and economically insecure. They tend to be Talin's dad. They tend to be symbolically all of those things, girl. You may be married with a kid. I am none of those things. I'm closer to the opposite.

I'm a journalist who's had a weekly column in the business section of the New York Times. I write, oh no, she's getting scammed again. Well, okay. She got scammed into being a journalist too. That's so sad. Well, okay. At the end of the piece, she has this whole aside

where she's like, you know, I often think about what I could have done with that money that I lost. For example, I could have paid for a year of childcare up front, I could have done this or that. I could have divorced my husband. I could have gotten that master's degree that I've always wanted. So you could have gotten that scam that you always wanted.

You could have been scammed a different way. Yeah, I'm glad they took her. Honey, they were protecting you, bitch. That was God's plan for you to not go to graduate school. I mean, girl, okay, when the guy posing as the FTC agent, he tells her that her identity was linked to an abandoned car in the Mexican border with blood and drugs found it in it and like text her a photo of a drug bust.

Like you should. This is scam 101. Okay. Like this is Hall of Fame levels of retardation. I mean, I have a friend with a literal like literally autistic brother, like, you know, severely autistic who is prey to scams often due to some of his online activity. And like they all are constantly they'll like text him like cartel photo, like scary photos to spook him and stuff. And even he's not returning to Parliament. Government agencies don't disclose the evidence they have in a case. And that's like early on. That's like very early on in this whole saga. Calvin told me to listen carefully.

The first thing you must do is not tell anyone what's going on. Everyone around you is a suspect. Every person that she speaks to has a vague accent, but yet they work for American government agencies and they also have this like born identity, like movie villain. Like we must go, we must ask quickly. Time is of the essence.

I'm a very special set of skills and no, but she's, yeah, they tell her not to like talk to anybody. Liptards are so anti racist that it doesn't occur to them that when someone's calling you on the phone, it's like a quote, big accent. They're trying to scam you. He was like, you must be very needful of these instructions. My name is Calvin Harris, and I work for the Federal Trade Commission. Part of me also feels like there is a little bit of like, because the Lady Doth protest

so much about how like, you know, like functional and like nothing crazy. That's whatever happened to her. It's like there is this like wish fulfillment where she wants to be embroiled in some kind of like, you know, crazy dilemma where she's like, keep guessing, going to train to get away from her. Exactly. She's trying to get her husband to give a Nigerian guy $50,000 in a box. Um, and I, cause I'm dumb as shit. young guy $50,000 in a box.

And because I'm dumb as shit, like I and I, especially with like the way technology is going, you know, it's like I am eventually going to be very vulnerable to being scammed, I think, like, I can all like, I'll have a lot of sympathy for her as well, because it's like, I also probably would my woman woman brain would panic and I wouldn't fucking know. This is why, yeah, you can't get divorced. It's the same thing with your husband, so you can protect you from stuff like this. Yeah, I know. Because women are, it's not safe out there for y'all.

You can't handle it. As a journalist, it's my instinct to research and talk to experts. So I dove into books and podcasts about scams desperate to make sense of my own. I feel bad for her. Being a woman is a scam. Being a woman is a scam. It's all one long scam. You must follow my directions very carefully. Send the bobs in between.

And so I sent my bobs in between because he said he knew my social security number. And I love how she has that epiphany where she was like, oh, like a quick Instagram search would reveal that I have a toddler son. Damn. It's tough. It's tough out there. Stay safe, ladies.

But yeah, it's just, it's crazy that these people keep writing articles where they basically condescend to other people about how they have like a uniquely enlightened and elevated worldview because they went to like Harvard or Yale and got like a six figure masters of journalism. Shout and Freud it's called. When you would be published something like this so people can mock you. I had the same reaction to this girl as you had to Emily Gould, like why would you publish such an epic self? Oh yeah, I was like, I wouldn't have her. I would just, the shame.

And every step of the way. But yeah, she went to therapy. That's what her therapist probably encouraged her to tell her story. You keep getting scammed with the grace and gratitude. And write all about it. I know I've been kind of, well, I got scammed on New Year's Day, this is how much of a libertard I am.

It was like New Year's. You got is how much of a libertard I am. It was like New Year's. You got scammed into donating to Bernie. Well, that too. But, you know, monetarily it was not so much but of my net worth at the time, it was a lot of money because I was poor, that's why I supported Bernie Sanders in the first place, but, you know, it was like New Year's Day 2021,

I wanna say. And I was going back to my apartment in like, I was in the West Village. I was by lifetime, this like health grocery store and this like homeless eat black guy stopped me on the street and was like, can you buy me food? And I was like, okay. I was, cause I'm a little, yeah. I was like, of course. I was like, sure.

I was like, it's New Year's Day. Start this year off right? Yeah, man. Like let's go. And he was like, can we go to some grocery stores far away? I was like, no. I was like, lifetime is right there.

They have creatine. They have whatever you need, man. Like, let's go there. So we went to this health food store and then yeah, he was buying like tons of really expensive protein powder and stuff that he was clearly gonna sell. And just like filling up the car. And I like, we didn't want to be like some white girl

in the health food grocery store, like yelling at some black guy, like he can't have something. So I ended up spending like, like $200 on like groceries and quotes for this guy. But I knew what was happening the whole time at least. I was just like, you know, I was like, damn, I guess I'm getting scammed. Well, that's like, she consults one of these experts who is like,

okay, so these scammers, they don't want to wear down your will. They want to make you question your sense of reality. And I'm sympathetic to that. I feel like we're both the type of people that if somebody gas lit us on the phone for five hours that we would cave into the product. Exactly, I'm gullible. I'm like, I don't understand how technology really works.

It's easy. I would like to say I have a very strong, of course, concrete sense of reality, but that's not really true. No, no, no, it's very fragile. And it would, you know, it's easy to read her essay and be like, of course, like Amazon doesn't have like a direct line to the CIA. And of course, they're not going to send you crime scene pictures and stuff. But like when you're in the thick of it, which I guess is kind of her point, it is, especially if you're a woman, like basically definitely if you're a woman like-

It's like distressing. Yeah, you're just sort of like scared and don't know what's going on and that's why we need- And had she consulted her husband, he would have just like laughed at her benignly rep Butler style and been like, babe, don't worry about it. Her husband's probably an idiot too,

but he probably at least maybe would have had enough like foresight to take the shoebox of $50,000 away from her. I mean, I've known- They even warned her at the bank when she was pulling out the money. They made her sign something that was like, where are you, are you wearing scams? Like, do you know about-

I'm wearing okay. Do you know about scams? Do you know how you can get scammed and people can steal your money? I'm trying to think if I've ever been scammed. I mean, I paid that. I've never had my identity stolen, but people have stolen my credit card information and made unlawful purchases. But you can make it. That happens to everyone.

Daytona or Tallahassee or whatever. Because you were shopping at Mango. But I scam myself because I be doing things like buying exorbitantly expensive clothing and accessories online and not returning it in time. That's the real real rails running a scam. Like you wouldn't believe. I bought a skirt of the real role that came today

that was a dress. It was a what? A dress. Did not fit as a skirt again. And when I put it on as a dress, it had pockets. But it was like put like retardedly on some mannequin, like as a skirt. It was like completely wrong,

but it was like, I'm not gonna fucking make it down there and return it so it's just my laws but I famously uh paypal'd someone off like the come town subreddit $50 for Xanax well then when I found out they scammed me I sent them $50 more just like let's just fuck you money that just approved to you like yeah you scam me me, but like, I don't need the money. I got it. We're just like 40 chest next level shit. That's how she should have pivoted this narrative. She said I did an anti-racism.

I'm so Tariq Pilled, I'm like speaking in black, preacher voice. That's right, it's a good preach queen. I can't have too much shot and freight about this woman because I could totally see a situation in the future where I'm like scammed out of my life saving. Someone's definitely gonna send you like some AI generated image that's gonna like scare you

and you're not gonna understand like what's going on and like we're both, I'm, I live with a high level of like baseline confusion. So like don't pray on me, not an advertisement but like literally, yeah, I like, oh, like I don't know. So, you know, and I don't know the value of money. I just do not. Like, don't advertise this, don't advertise this.

You know, so I'm like, damn, but no, I think some self preservation is instinct would kick in probably. I mean, I would hope that if some person