Red Scare - Of Mids and Men

Episode Date: July 28, 2023

Well, okay, maybe that's good. Maybe that's God's plan. What? That I just wasn't recording and made a long speech about this new energy drink that I'm into. But maybe I will try to get sponsored by them. Yeah, true. Now that it's off the record, I mean, you can guess what it is. What? Our listeners.

What the energy. Oh, you have the energy drink this time around. No, this time around. Whatever. Moving on. Once again, all of those great bits, lost like tears in the rain. Nothing by matter, nothing I said mattered. So I'm kind of relieved because I was sounding

off to Dalsha about not having gone to the gym. And I admitted to my mom about her physique. Yeah. Also, we'll stay up the breaker. I'm actually fat. I'm so big. I can't get off the couch. Yeah, it's things are bad for her.

Eli has to come and turn me from one side of the bed to the next. I'm using my child's potty to go to the bathroom. It's more of a blue piece. You've got to hit the gym, man. No, no, I will, I will. Once you get into the habit of it, it's all good. Yeah, yeah. As I said, I'm a big proponent of the theory that you can bounce back really easily. Yeah, you'll be fine. I'm not actually obese, y'all. She's fine. She looks great. I'm still very skinny. I just haven't worked out in a while.

And I'm starting to see some things that I don't like that other people can clearly not see. But I'm chimpin' a little. For sure. There's a gym in my new building. That's open 24 hours. That's cool. Are you going to use it?

I'm going to go up and there and use it. I like that it's, I want to use it at all at hour. But are you going to keep the knocks membership? Maybe because there's also a knocks nearby that has a sauna, I think. I'm going to see, I'm going to check out the facilities and amenities at my new local knocks. And then depending on that. So we were talking about how hard it is because you vowed to drop your personal trainer. Yeah.

But you couldn't go through with it. I couldn't go through with it. I thought it was harder to drop a personal trainer or a therapist than it is to drop a man. Yeah. But if you have like a practical reason, like I don't live in New York zip code anymore Then it kind of the thing is never so on its own what? Nothing

I'm fucking my personal trainer The thing is my personal trainer is my boyfriend. I'm just kidding. He's definitely not attracted to me at all. Which is fine. I'm not attracted to him either. We're just friends. That's racist, yo. Dude, I mean, that's what can I do? There is a hot guy at the gym. The first, I never think I was at the gym or hot. And I saw a guy who was clearly Russian

and looked like a real piece of shit. I was like who is he? And he wasn't even that strong. No, you don't want him to be that strong. Of course not, yeah. You want him to be like a lazy and disgusting piece of shit. Yeah, he looked really lazy. He was doing like seven and a half pounds, like, looking like he ate a whole ass watermelon. Looking like a trans man who just got pregnant. He was more on the twink of the spectrum, which I'm known to have a perclivity for. That's a gay man. Yeah, we're not really as women attracted to muscles.

We're attracted to the aura of being a huge piece of shit. Yes. For me, that's mainly what I'm looking for to man is especially yeah dresses like shit I this guy actually look like she had to eat people like shit He was wearing solmpos in a very interesting color way and I almost that's why you like how do you open? I was like where'd you get the song because awesome as some racist right-wing unknowns informed me, men look for fertility in women, but women look for status. And his, uh, obscure colorway sambas are a status symbol that you want to possess for yourself.

Exactly. Two men look for fertility. Is that? That's, well, that's what people on Twitter say and people on Twitter are always right, which I mean that whatever they say, you take the exact opposite and run with it. Because they're full of shit. People have been talking about women a lot on Twitter. They have. And I think we had to reroute our original docket because we had to record a special emergency episode with Glenn. Yeah.

But now we're going to be back talking about Laman ourselves, Mids, Muses. Have we ever used the title of Mids and Men? We used it already. I don't think so. We made a little print code. Some Mids jokes. That's pretty good. Mids and Mids and Men. We used it already. I don't think so. We made some Mids jokes. That's pretty good. Of Muses and Mids. That one's a little more obscure. Muses get bruises as I famously like to say. We're only talking about Muses because Dasha wanted to say Muses get bruises on the podcast. podcast again once again yeah one of the and I'll also be reading from one of the five books I've read that happens to pertain to this that I'm sure I've quoted

before but you know what yeah it's it's pertinent. People on Twitter are always speculating who has the higher body count You or me? The real question is who's read slightly more? They're both very low gentlemen. Okay. That's all that matters I've read 12 12 books probably And mostly I read the same three. Yeah Well as I said, it's a quality over quantity all the exact same book 30 times. It's kind of like reading 30 books. Exactly.

You always get something new from a book on a subsequent read. Yeah. And it's good to read them like many years apart. Yeah. To regress back to the state you were when you first read me, Chey. Yeah. When you become a more jaded and shitty person and can look back on your former self that you hated at the time. Plus the older I got, I just wanna read and learn things that I already know. Right, I don't want you. I'm not trying to introduce new information. Like I just want to be confirmed and stuff that I've already understood.

Yeah, you wanna confirm all your existing biases. Exactly. So you can become even more annoying. It's not real. Yeah. Exactly. Fuck, I have like a porous strip on the back of my leg. I can make a lot of I use the shitty razors that equinox to shave my legs finally and they I Bleeding get bruises

It's tough out the hard out there ladies Yeah, originally on our docket. Well, yeah, there was a whole Jonah Hill had a scandal. Oh fuck, I forgot about that. But we can okay. We don't yeah I didn't want to experience it the first time Yeah, but he caught some heat from an ex-girlfriend of his who posted text message exchanges of him making demands of her and her conduct on social media. Right. I guess she was a surfer. They met in some surfy context and he wanted her to no longer post bikini photos or hang out with wanted her to no longer post bikini photos or hang out with, you know, gang. Surf instructor. Yeah, gang is a super hot fucking surf instructor.

Is he run a train on her? He wanted her. He wanted her to stop doing that. And she, Joan Hell was dating H. Pearl Davis. Yeah, and he said, if you want to keep making reactionary YouTube videos, that's his relationship. That's his relationship, really. Yeah, I kind of vaguely followed along with that. It was unavoidable. I was like, surely this will pass. We're saying that lamenting the state of women and how he made perfectly reasonable demands.

All the women are horrors. She was like an evil horror and blah blah blah. Everybody knows that if you have to make a list of demands over text message you've already failed and are unworthy of respect, that's his first mistake. Tough. Yeah, he clearly should have been dating like a surf influencer. Right. On the flip side, he is right up to a point because she's not really a surfer.

The surfing part is a larp for the fact that she's an influencer. Yeah, of course. But still shows off her body for sims and other women crucially. Because a lot of her, I looked at her photos and they were like, Jonah Hills, much hotter girlfriend and I was like, really, a lot of her photos are posed in this very intentional way to not look that good because I think they're pandering to women, not to sims. Interesting. Yeah.

Like the angles aren't super flattering. Right. She's not using Chinese AI technologies to make her proportions look uncanny in the way men like. But a lot of them are just to be like bunched up as we are on the couch with a midsection looking weird because she's in a physically unflattering position. So that was confusing for me initially. Yeah. Well she's sporty I guess. Right. But maybe it's a dope athlete. She's not an online horror.

Maybe it's actually like a 5D move to post like a slightly unflattering pick that's still people get the gist of the fact that you have a pearl Basically a nice but pearl looks awful. I know. I know but it's it is the new the new looking impossibly hot is looking kind of like mid and basic Is it no I just made that up. I stopped believing myself halfway. But you said a lot of conviction. Yeah. But I get what you had.

You had ever heard of shooting from the hip. Well, apparently everyone, every woman is mid now as well. That's another thing we've cleaned. I thought we went through this already with the Zendaya new cycle, the Sydney Swini new cycle. Now there's like a Margot Robbie new cycle. Margot Robbie is mid is mid. It's actually a really brilliant troll to call extremely beautiful.

I mean, because everyone, because it makes everyone so mad. Days and days of like I saw like five, like a week went by and I saw someone be like, just one last word on the Marvel Robbie being mid-divaco. Here is that like everyone's like cooking up their dumb little thoughts. My take, which I know we're all dying to hear is that Margarale be clearly not mid, but first of all, more importantly than that, actresses don't need to be mid. They don't need to be beautiful. They don't need to be beautiful.

Exactly. They're above mid. They don't need, they need to be beautiful. They don't need to be beautiful. Exactly. They're above mid. They don't need to be expressive. Right. They're not like, I don't know where we got this idea that actresses are somehow the most beautiful people in society. Like, obviously, in America, definitely,

there's like, they're selected often for their physical beauty because it's nicer to look at them. Right. But they're not models. They're not physical beauty because it's nice to look at them. Right. But they're not models, you know, they're not like beauty queens. They're not in a beauty contest. Well, because I think the confidence and fame

in and of themselves provide a halo effect where the expectation is that you're more beautiful than you are. Right. And I mean, everybody knows, not everybody clearly men on Twitter do not realize this for the most part, nor do the women. Everybody knows that beauty can only be truly appraised

like in person. You have to really see somebody in motion. You have to hear how they speak. Yeah. You have to see how they carry themselves, what they smell like. Right, unless they're an anime girl, right, in which case you can experience their sheer,

powerful, apolony and beauty through the computer screen. I don't know if I even have any, but it's very interesting because like every couple of months, somebody trolls and obviously not mid person on Twitter. But actually in the spirit of trolling other people and it becomes like a national headline, like Newsweek or Time Magazine writes it up in all seriousness. I mean, this is like catnip for female journalists.

Oh yeah. Who have to like walk a fine line of making this discourse happen, while also not being caddy and closing ranks around the woman. Right. So it's like irresistible. Jennifer Connelly also. Is she, that was the, I think, yeah, that was the new cycle. Yeah. More recently. Right. I guess my take is that when women opine on the mid-discourse, what

they're really doing is offering themselves up for judgment by proxy, because everybody is morbidly curious about what their sexual marketplace value is. And many yes. Yeah and if a woman like Margot Robbie who's very obviously not mid is mid, then what does that make you? Exactly. So it becomes a proxy battle. Dog shit. Yeah.

I will say, and I think, yeah, we're, you know, I don't want to make a promise I can't keep, but we're going to try and just go see Barbie. Yes. So we won't get into it too much, but I did. I sent you that arm and white review. Right. Which was pretty exciting. Yeah, I want to get that and white review. Right. Which was pretty scary on the pod.

Yeah, but in that I thought he actually did, you know, he didn't call her mid, but he did say that she was not quite, like, fragile and dull, like, really to be. Because that's because it's Barbie, right right Barbie is supposed to be like a 10 right so any actress that was would have been cast she's still looking possible exactly and she's also a doll right and but this is a a nefarious progressive like feminist revisionist narrative as he argues right so she's she's made to be obviously like aspirationally pretty but not too threatening for the majority of women. I think that's the key with Greta Gerwig's version of Barbie or interpretation of Barbie. I would have cast a woman with facial feminization.

So, I would have cast a woman. Even more. I would have cast some like... Barbie looks like young Amanda LePore. Actually the old school Barbie does. I would have cast some like Barbie looks like young Amanda Lapor actually the old school Barbie does I would have cast like some Korean I was like I

I had every part of her face and body like cosmetically altered and can barely speak English I put a blonde wig on her And that is my that's my Barbie Yeah, I mean, but it's it is like very crucial for women, especially women journalists, like gatekeep the top 1% of beautiful women. Because it stacks the, what's that? Stacks the deck in their favor. Yeah, it stacks dick. In their favor in terms of like ships, their own status in the beauty hierarchy. How so?

Oh, because this woman is as beautiful as it gets. So like I'm falling somewhere within, you know, a reasonable radius of this. Therefore, I am attractive. Yeah, whereas if she's actually mid, then you're like bottom barrel. Then you're dogs, yeah. But they're also latching on to Margot Robbie

as this Paragon of Beauty because she's at a point in her life where she's a little bit older and she's a little bit less threatening. And it's also in women's interest to gatekeep this whole age gap discourse where 33 year old is just as beautiful as a two-year-old. To argue that women don't get any less beautiful

as they approach the end of their fertile years. Yes. Which I love to do. And which, of course, we know is true again in a way like well if there's two truths you can argue that women become more beautiful with age and you can also argue that women peak between 19 and 23 which truth matters depends on whether you're a woman or a man. It's like the show pin how are you think are you in it primarily for aesthetic or for sexual reasons? Hmm. Which was oh you sow the aesthetic reason would be the

older women are have a special kind of beauty. Yeah because they're wise or more experienced, their features have kind of settled. I don't think that. Lindy Man has a take that you can't even truly know a woman is beautiful until she's like 40. I think he's correct. Just like you can't really truly know a woman is beautiful unless you've seen her with every hairstyle and hair color. Yeah, unless she wears many different kinds of weights.

You can't really tell if a woman is beautiful unless you've seen her in person, which you never well-in-on, because you're a weird shut and keyboard freak. Yeah. Hey, that's, I think, the real, to circle back to your previous point, I think. Yeah, and I think,

I think Romy Schneider is one of the most beautiful. She has gorgeous and she, I actually legitimately think, looked more beautiful as she changed. But I also people don't like when I say this, which I say a lot. He gets the face you deserve. That's true. But okay, Romi Schneider and it looks incredible in motion, but can look a little tough and man-ish like many German women in still photography. Bardot is well not the most photogenic but she looks good in photos. One of my favorite actresses of all time who I think is one of the most

beautiful women of all time is Dasha Neckos. You are to me because I know I think you're so beautiful too. But is this Italian woman, Silvana Mungano, who plays Todd Zio's mother in Death and Venice? She looks so ethereal and incredible in that movie, but she looks completely like, she looks noble in like a person with character and still photos, but I would not probably register as exceptionally beautiful. Like there are other Italian stars. She looks like your sister.

Yeah, yeah. She looks like my sister crossed a salome. But in death and Venice, she's like the most beautiful woman who's ever graced the screen, like, deadass. Yeah. Oh, and really nice waist on this one. Yeah. And I think also defending Margot Robbie or Jennifer Connlier, Jennifer Lawrence

or whatever, very beautiful woman who's getting called mid this week, benefits women because it has the added advantage that it makes you look like a good and charitable person that you can give other women credit where it's due. Actually, she's beautiful. Yeah, and that insulates you from criticism, and makes it less likely that people will call you less than mid online. There's nothing. There's nothing that's going to stop them from calling me

fugly. In thoughts and rad thumbs kind of like deserve each other because they want to make everything subject to like Steve sailor style FBI crime stat criteria so that they never have to that's the whole idea with sexual marketplace value is that it's like you're quantifying something that actually isn't You can't because it's it's ephemeral You can't because it's a femoral.

Yeah, and it's actually like also deeply dependent on interrelation with other people. Exactly. There's no like number really that makes you more or less fuckable. It's really based. It's so it's such a... I don't know. This was something I really cleaned from my experiences as like a karaoke host says was that when I would line up in front of the businessmen with the other girls, there was really no, there's no accounting for taste. No, not that one. She's like a boy. Some guys would they would be, they'd say like, you're too pale, you're too, you know, your tits are too small and stuff and like, they were definitely like, buck some girls who worked a lot, but then I worked a lot too because there's guys who like like,

a leggie blonde with like a bad attitude. And that's, you can't really like, slot those criteria into it. It really just depends so much on idiosyncratic factors, I think. Yeah, and everybody's so desperate for there to be like a metric or heuristic that they can then slot themselves into and depending on where they fall on that spectrum, can either do like a victory lap or jealously see from the solid lines about quote, unrealistic beauty standards and grooming. I have to pee. Yeah, go off-queen. This early.

I drank so much water. Oh, because I was working. I'm working out. I'm just going to do a raving monologue about how I didn't do Chinese legged-in-thinning technology. I'm like the Tim Dylan of Mids, just ranting and raving. Oh, I'm like, For hours at a time, my piss was so clear. Oh cool. Love when it's not shockingly amber color.

Damn. You don't have blood orange Just kidding just kidding only when I have a kidney infection every once in a while Only when I start pissing blood The mid-discourse, of course, always centers around actresses, not models, not regular women. Because as you point out, actresses need not be perfectly beautiful. They have to be pretty to some degree unless they're like character actresses like Frances McDormand or what's her name for misery? Kathy Bates. Kathy Bates, mid. But also, actresses are in the business of being photogenic because to even cross that line and get to being an actress, you have to have a basic semblance of confidence in yourself.

Yes. And Tagee made a really smart and astute comment. She's a professional fashion photographer. The photography generally doesn't capture how you look exactly. It captures how you feel about yourself. Yeah, totally. So to be an actress, you have to suffer from some level of positive delusion. In many ways.

Yeah, of course, it's enviable to other people. Yeah. Well, that of course is enviable to other people. Yeah, well, it's yeah, but also, not I wouldn't even necessarily say, you positive delusion, yes, even just vocationally, like, you have to believe that you'll get booked or that you're worth something or that someone will deem you worthy of capturing on film, but in the actual like the craved or work of it, you also have to be able to access really like negative

states or be willing to ugly, I think if you're a really good actress. Yeah, I do have to be willing to be to look ugly. Because you're trying to portray like a range of human experience. And that's unpleasant and humiliating. And also like I think to be an actress or any kind of artist really you have to be willing to humiliate yourself publicly. That's for sure. Which is also not something that everybody can or is willing to do.

Yeah. No, it's a real, it's a real massive, a massive, a lot of classicistic calling that some have. But I've actually never seen Margot Robbie really look ugly or take on any roles that, you know? Yeah, but she's like a mainline like leading lady actress like Anne Hathaway. They have like a similar role in Hollywood where they're like and half the ways done I mean did you ever see Rachel

getting married no she's she's she's willing to she's she's got more range I think than Margo she did a play once called grounded I forget who it, but it's about a female. It's a one-woman show about a female drone operator who used to be like a military pilot who gets pregnant. And then she's like stationed in like a base outside Nevada, like, droning people in the middle east. And it's like, then a half is like a nervous breakdown. I pull the, like, she's an actress, she's an actress, half the way. And the silent majority really stands with her, I think. Even though she gets flak for being like basic and kind of annoying.

Does she get flak? She does, so I feel like we've had this combo before. I think maybe the tide has turned. But there was a point where I felt there was some collective annoyance with Anne Hathaway for being like too good, too pretty, too like successful or whatever. Yeah, yeah. But she's transcended and proven her worth. Anne, Anne. I think what people are really getting at is that these are obviously very like attractive, good looking women, but perhaps there's something missing

with them that was not missing in the case of somebody like Romy Schneider or Brigitte Bardot. But I don't think that's really their fault. That's kind of the nature of the industry now. Exactly. Or at least right. And at that level, you don't even have the upper, you know, sure, you can like do an indie or whatever. But you don't have the opportunities. I feel like you used to, because the quality of the material is so low. Yeah, and narrow. But I do, I have to give credit where it's due. And this whole idea that the mid-discourse almost uniformly also centers around women who are of course beautiful and famous, but are Past their prime age wise

That point I owe to a friend of the polydcofi fianon. I have to give him a shout out up in here It's true though that women who object to the mid-discourse really have to gate keep the idea that you don't get any worse with age. Right. Because it would be completely devastating to them. Because they're also aging and getting less attractive, but they're not that attractive to begin with, so. Yeah. That's so sick.

That's so delusional. What? To believe that. To believe what? That you don't get worse with age or worse looking, at least or like by some objective metric less attractive. Right, but I think again that you, how can you survive?

You people need to psychologically be stronger. People are so weak. Yeah, but I think like you really do like, you get better with age in certain regards and worse with age and certain other regards and eventually we all hit the fucking wall the wall that's for all of us exactly and like time makes fools of a song and not just women look at Dave Foley no well Dave Foley's problem is the problem

of any beautiful woman. Nostosikinsky, Polina Porsakovna, he has very fine and feminine and elegant features that are hard to buttress with age. I think Nostosikinsky's age is very, very well. But when you have very very like cute feminine features you have to be very careful and you can't get fat, you have to like keep your skin tight. Mm-hmm.

Look at Johnny Depp. He's I mean he's also like a raging alcohol and drug addict. Yeah. Prennily bloated. There's some inflammation there. But Dave Foley literally is like a beautiful English rose of a woman. He was so pretty. Why age the way he did? I love I loved a young day fully. Another man who aged in a similar fashion is James Spader.

Because he too had very like beautiful feminine features. Yeah. But that's okay. Yeah, it's fine. It's just time. It's just this mortal coil. I also think this like sick and twisted obsession with beauty that we all have up to degree, but that's become like the only thing men and women interact with each other about now on the internet is due to the fact that like everyone is like literally loveless. Yeah, and extremely online. And it's so, yeah. I'm like, this is the right wing.

It's just like guys talking about actresses. What's going on? Well, yeah. And another like feature of the internet is that it makes men into women and they become like, men should not be talking to you. Kadihouse scholarships. You know who'd never talked about women Ernst Junger He's like I'm in this trend trading my manifesto. I'm also a Nazi. He's not he wasn't a Nazi actually. He was a

He was a why he's the safe choice. Frey Corp's man or the solve right. Yeah, he wasn't a Nazi actually. He was a, he was a, he was a, that's why he's the safe choice. Fry Corp's man. Or the solve fry. He didn't, he had some, he took some umberd with Nazi ideology. Um, then New Yorker just wrote a thing about her in St. Younger randomly. Okay. It shocked me.

Why? I don't know, I guess someone read, there's some new translation of a book of his, but again, there's still why. Like, what? It's, stay in your lane, okay? It's because all journalism is downstream of BAP. It's so true. It's so true.

It's so younger, Evola, Nietzsche, obviously, all of these right-wing profits are basically just code for Bronze Age mindset. That's all it is. And it's totally like, I believe that it's totally like unsolved conscious and mindless and these people are just like lemmings following a trend. They have to have something to write about, which is why they also write breathless articles about mid-discourse. Right.

Or at least they catch wind of some of these thinkers and then see them further. Just see that they have intrinsic innate value and interest. Yeah, it's always like Biden rape groipers. Sydney Sweeney was a hard seven. You could have seen a girl like her working in every blockbuster in the 90s. Front page of Newsweek.

Let's check in with Hitler's top guy. For more. Where do we stand on Eva Braun? I actually think she was kind of mid no offense. We can't we didn't experience her charisma in person, I guess. Maybe she was a charming. I would have loved to live in a couple of times. We're probably weapons were constantly elevated

to the role of like sex symbol and beauty ideal, because there was like no photos. And all the other peasant women working in like the laundry and the farms looked even worse. Every woman looked like Andrea Dworkin back then. They were all beautiful. And there's only three photographs of them. Lenny Reif and Stahl looked pretty good. She looked incredible. She was an actress. She was an actress. Yeah. Of course, famously a great filmmaker. Yeah. But she's, she's a woman who looks also like all German women, a little

hard and masculine. Yeah. yeah, but because of that, she looked incredible in photographs. Um, look, let's look a bit of a brawn. Oh my god, so... Wait, show, just see it. So mid, dude. I'm a mid. Like sub mid if I'm not I mean She looks like build a blasio wire will help. Yeah, it's that same like Bavarian face or whatever But maybe there was something you know, maybe I was led to believe that Ava Brown look like Taylor Swift

I guess she looks nice and uh hmm. Who is she? So ladies, it's not okay to be caddy about contemporary females because then you rent the risk of getting piled on and getting called ugly. But it is okay to be caddy about historic females. Because they're dead and everyone will see the picture. Let's get that discourse. Just rating Eleanor Roosevelt. Look at this. Her name is Unity Mitford. A British socialite who loved Hitler. He had a tie. Charming. A little better. a little better. Anyway, I'll have to go online to learn more about these historical figures. But yeah, if you're right-wing, stop talking about chicks. You're just pandering to them. Yeah. And you should be like, I don't know,

training in a militia or something. Wait, what are you doing? I mean, you should be reading books. Reading books. And talking to other men in a non-homosexual manner. And if you're not that smart, maybe try different research chemicals and post about how you're findings. All right.

Take some, yeah, political action. Time off. You should be learning your busy schedule of calling women ugly to mid on the entry. Yeah. Do you even have a samurai sword? Are you even like training? Are you?

I do. And like, I know the crossbow. Do you have the? It is a brilliant troll to call a beautiful actress mid. But on the other hand, when you really scratch the surface, it's not a troll at all. And these guys really mean it. It's only like troll at all and these guys really mean it. It's only like this the second phase posters that

Mean it as a troll because they like catch wind To the tune of the argument and they know how to exploit it for like meme content, but the original Insult is very rarely meant as a troll. I think it's sincere. Yeah Sure is very rarely meant as a troll. I think it's sincere, yeah. Yeah. Sure. And I love that one photo that was like going around of Margot Robbie, quote, without makeup, where she was clearly wearing a ton of clothes. I'm gonna make, definitely like lipstick mascara, frown day,

like full face, basically. Shout out by the way, friend of the pod, to Patty Dubrov, who is Margot Robbie's incredible makeup artist. I don't like mentioning Patty Dubroff and Coffeefian. No, I know, I know, I know, I know, she's bad. She's better than that. But she's a great makeup artist. She did my makeup for the successful premiere. She really knows how to enhance a woman's natural beauty.

And she taught me about after you do your makeup taking some of that like, woolet-a-skin food and just like using it kind of like as a highlighter but dabbing it like all over your face to give yourself a nice, nice glow. Yeah, that's a insider secret for the lady. glow. Yeah, that's a insider secret for the lady. I love, Katty. Um, fellas, if you think we're mid wearing minimal makeup, oh my God. You're gonna be really, uh, uh, you're in for a surprise when you wake up next to us. I'm taking her back to the stove. Yeah. No, in those photos, it was like one was just like a still

from a film in which she's lit. And another is like in natural light, but she's essentially wearing the same amount of makeup. Aye, aye, aye, fellas. You're not going to make it, please. Boys. Can we get back to racism? Ha ha ha.

We've done it. You know, the real misogyny is just to focus on something else. This is also a very important point that. What? No, nothing, nothing. No! Say! That this is another co-feefism.

This is his podcast tonight, dude. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. It's not co-feefian, you know. If you're mad at women, you're not misogynist enough. Mm-hmm. You have to be post mad. You have to be post angry. Yeah.

Because if you're mad, it means you've held them to some standard. Yeah, you've been disappointed by them. Yeah, but you're personally invested. You fucked up and you're not going to make it. It's over for you. Yeah, that's why the real in cells, the true cells, the stone cold evil cells, the real anime Nazis, the Vanguard of our movement. You don't see them having these kinds of conversations, you know.

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This one is good, trust me. Whatever happened to being a Somalye, that was like a big trendy job. They still have a Somalye. Back when Bon Appetit was a major industry player. They still have somms. I mean, like everything else, you know, and our era of austerity. A lot of like, somm work is outsourced to servers and waitresses.

When I was a waitress, I was expected to like answer people's questions about wine and stuff. And I'd be like, And you're like, it's tannic with a root vegetable. I just like, get away, you're discussing it. I'd lie. I'd be like, it tastes like wine. You're gonna love it. If you like wine, this wine is gonna...

When I go to a restaurant or a bar and the waiter is like, Do you prefer dry or fruity? I'm like, I don't fucking know. What are you talking about? Dry always. I always say dry. You don't want a fruity glass of wine. Yeah, but then the dry one always kind of tastes fruity.

I guess they all taste fruity because they're made of grapes. If there is a psalm, I always ask for a wine that tastes like dirt. I want a wine that's rich in mineral content. And the best wines I've ever had have been have almost had this like very soil mouthfeel and flavor profile. Yeah. That's my two cents. True. But I also want to make the point that I'm a mentally ill person raised by an aesthetically preoccupied Russian boomer mother. So when I talk about aesthetics, it's like second nature, I was born this way.

When everyone else on the internet talks about aesthetics, in the way that I do, there's something deeply wrong with the culture. So I will recuse myself now. Wow. And it's time to move away from these sick freaks. We've been saying that. Yeah, but there's something bad is abruing. I've been feeling this way. Yeah, yeah. No, I want to make new friends. I don't know where. But at the gym. No, not the one that I'm not the gym, the gym. I had the gym start timer with an Napoleon trailer. I have dope it looked.

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that I'm like, I've not seen. But the large way that I wanna make is that everything, like the mid discourse is primarily an example of how everything is now downstream from Twitter. It's been that way for a while, but it's very bad. It's a very bad relationship. Which is a very bad relationship. Which is a very bad relationship. Which is a very bad relationship. Which is a very bad relationship. Which is a very bad relationship. Which is a very bad relationship. Which is a very bad relationship. Which is a very bad relationship. Which is a very bad relationship. Which is a very bad relationship. Which is a very bad relationship. Which is a very bad relationship. Which is a very bad relationship. Which is a very bad relationship. Which is a very bad relationship. Which is a very bad relationship. Which is a very bad relationship. Which is a very bad relationship. Which is a very bad relationship. Which is a very bad relationship. Which is a very bad relationship. Which is a very bad relationship. Which is a very bad relationship. Which is a very bad relationship. Which is a very bad relationship. Which is a very bad relationship. Which is a very bad relationship. Which is a very bad relationship. Which is a very bad relationship. Which is a very bad relationship. Which is a very bad relationship. Which is a very bad relationship. Which is a very bad relationship. Which is a very bad relationship. Which is a very bad relationship. Which is a very bad relationship. Which is a very bad relationship. Which is a very bad relationship. Which is a very bad relationship. Which is a very bad relationship. Which is a very bad relationship. Which is a very bad relationship. Which is a very bad relationship.

Which is a very bad relationship. for a large. I don't fucking know. Write an editorial for Compact. Not me. Why won't so Rob block me? He blocks everyone else. I think because he probably wants to come on the pod to talk about his new book. Well, all right. If he's ready to throw his throw hand, he's ready to throw it down. If he wants to meet me in the ring, I couldn't get Pearl, so I'm going to settle for SoRab.

I'm going to beat someone's ass, and that's a problem. That's a problem. SoRab is a nice guy. The problem is that there's all these like fake and gay Twitter Beaves that get amplified because people are behind a computer and don't actually meet or see each other and in reality people are much more mid by which I mean they're much More normal and less calculated and they don't have any like nefarious comp plots to take you down and I know I'm just I just want attention and approval. I've been chimping I've been on my period and I'm on strike. I'm just daunting and I'm acting out I know I'm not I'm not I'm not behaving well. I think I think it's okay to give so reba a hard time

But I'm picking because he's he's a sensitive and thoughtful guy and he needs somebody to give him a kick in the ass and tell him that he needs to stay in his own lane and focus on his own Shit, it's tough love and not worry about other people. That's what everybody needs. Yeah, okay Good advice. I'm just saying yeah, yeah But I yeah, I was like I was seething with rage. Just like getting in fights, just like looking for any, I was just, I woke up mad. I like didn't eat enough hormonal and just, yeah, giving myself full license to champ, You know I'm working on it. I'm trying to be better every day Can you get your lot out at the gym or it doesn't hit the same? No, I think yeah like today I probably but then I don't know then I think it spikes my tea

You know once I'm lifting all those weights You know what I realized is a lot more aggressive dynamic is that there are a lot of people online who don't have friends and don't have a significant other. So they find glory by being like irony poise and shit posters, which is par for the course. But there's an even deeper, scarier phenomenon of you being like basically kind of a normal human being who does have friends and a significant other and then going online to seek an outlet and becoming one of those weird little in cells. Yeah, yeah. And like you gradually like turn your back on like normal face relations

To be a fake salon. Yeah, and periodically they'll you know your friends will be like what the fuck is wrong with you Coming out with me and we actually do you're like oh, yeah, this is much nicer. Yeah totally. Oh for sure But it's I it's very compromised for me, you know,, what I'm, don't worry about what I'm doing online. You know, that's, I mean, that's- It's making you combative an aggro. Yeah. But not in, it's literally, it's bleeding into your personal space. Not in her personally. No, I mean, same.

I'm gonna go to like the hage opening and like, I'm like, oh, I'm so, I mean, same. I'm going to go to like the hage opening and like, yeah, I'm so I'm so nice drinking shmuz and whatever. I've got great manners folks. I'm, you know, I believe that we're both very nice girls, IRL. Yeah. I need, I must, I need some outlet for the aggression or maybe then I would take it out on my friends and not that I have a significant other, but if I did, I would say not that I have friends. Not that I have anything. They've all turned their back on me because of my online behavior.

But no, it's all in good fun. I think, you know, if you're seething, it's not good, and I'll cop to it, but like most of the time I am just having fun. Are you seething a lot? No, not a lot.

Not a lot. But sometimes. But the other day, for sure. You've been seething lately. I've been seething a lot lately. What do you think was making you seethe? If you're allowed to reveal. Honestly, well, I didn't have a lot of structure in my life before, but I was like going on additions, I like go to the girl offices, I had like, I had

some semblance of like, I mean, I'm so I shouldn't even be complaining because I have this, I have the pod and I have other vent, you know, I have other things going on, but like being on strike is sucks. I can't like it's and it, and there's no end in sight. Sort of, so it's not like it doesn't.

It's just, I feel a lot of ambiguity, which I'm really uncomfortable with, which makes me feel really de-stable. You feel like full metal jacket or apocalypse now. You're mired in wartime. And people are in this false impression of wartime that it's a lot of violence and combat, but really it's like sitting around in a trench with your dick in your hand, scrolling the feed.

Yeah. It's long periods of tedium punctuated by combat. Right. And being on Twitter is just like being at war, which is why there are so many military historians on. Which is why we were always looking at maps for some reason. No, I just, I'm in an adjustment period and I need to find some structure in my life that I had, semblance of prior, that gave me like purpose and something else, you know.

I was like trying to work in an industry and now I am forbidden. Yeah, I mean, I think the worst thing about like being online is that it literally kills your vision and your concentration. That's a problem, but we're not going to log off, dude. No, but that's what I'm saying. It's very hard to solve this problem. It's an unsolvable problem because there is no return with a B. Yeah. Oh, no. Should we talk about Mewza's get bruises?

Yes. Rest in peace, Jane. Birkin. Yeah. Um, really thought I had more photos of Birkin on my phone. Somebody, I think it was either MNZ or Chloe posted a really beautiful rare pick of Birken sitting on like a beach chair and nursing her infant. I don't know which one. I think I saw yeah She's got real skinny mom goals. Yeah, a lot of those are going on my fertility mood board Because I'm like wow, she's got a baby and she's looking snatched. Hey, guess what? When I got pregnant, Eli told me all this shit about women getting fat after they have a kid is fake news.

You bounce back immediately. The breastfeeding burns so many calories. You literally lose most of the weight in the first month or two. Which goes by very quickly. The his take was always that women who get fat use pregnancy as an excuse because they want to get fat anyway and get out the game. Why is yeah, plus everyone should have that know anyway. What? Go ahead and we both reach to the elf more at the same time. I don't know, you can go quickly.

Yeah, so talograph.co.uk. Published an article, there's no place for the muse in the 21st century. The idea of the muse has a firm place in our imaginations and is a cliched one. An ethereal spirit hopping into bed with a creative genius and through the power of her sexuality and beauty, inspiring the man to do great works. It rarely seems to end well. I thought initially that this would be like a lament on the lapsed status of sex in our society, but it was actually the author arguing that this is a good thing because we now live in a

progressive feminist age of enlightenment. And so there are no great muses because. And that this is a good thing. It's a good thing because feminism has won and being a muses essentially being part of a exploitative unbalanced, anti-dynamic, that's probably an age gap relationship, whatever. Well, this was Hannah Gatzpie's whole, she just had that show at the Brooklyn Museum called like Picas What's it called?

Give it some pun on it's like an episode title. We were problematic It's like something we would come come up with I was gonna say Picas don't I know I know, I know. They definitely won't know that you stand that, but yeah, that was like, back in the day when her innovative special came out, she was like, Picasso had a 17-year-old girlfriend or something and this makes all of his work problematic. And so this is I really saw as a continuing in that in that tradition of. But what does she care?

She's a lesbian. She's not even playing for the same team. I know. Does, you know, what does she care about what men's sexual preferences and desires are? But this is beyond even. Yeah, this is what it is. She has to be jealous of other women if you're a lesbian. Yeah. I know. I know. She doesn't have a dog in the fight. I don't know why she's making such a big deal about Pablo.

Yeah. This is the domain of 38 year old, 38-year-old, jewellery female journalist. Pollyah has a great assay on Woody Allen and Suni, which she concludes with some, she phrases that much better, but the idea being like the artist gets to choose whatever muse he wants. And in, she's really a nice brief assayvae. She talks about how in Sunni he saw this like Mona Lisa after being so abused by the Marqueque-Corean smile. Exactly. Demented Shixa, meaffero.

But Sunni was never his muse. I think she's the real deal. She's his partner. But she and Musa were like meaffero and very violent guy and Keith. Yeah, very much so. Yeah, I don't think soon you even qualifies as a muse, which is like a good thing as far as I'm concerned, because he entered into a more mature phase of his life and into more mature relationship with her. And they've still got to share. Actually, that's a very good point. Yeah. I mean, they're actually took photos of her that one time. I'm sure she inspired him at some point.

And probably still does in some ways. And it was maybe an even better muse because she was not so demand day or maybe worse. Yeah, maybe that's the thing is that in this piece I feel like it really, it does so much work to take agency away from the means as an archetype. There are no muses anymore, not because feminism has triumphed, but because there are no more great men, aka musemakers, because there's no stable monoculture anymore outside of like the

sexless progressive one that's like age gap relationships are problematic and it's like accusing legendary muses like Jane Birkin of like aiding and abetting. Her husband's encephalous relationship with his daughter before the body has even gotten cold. By the way, I want to point out that Jane Bir and died just a few days before Charlotte Gainesburg birthday, which is like so sad and heartbreaking that I really feel for her. Because you know how I feel about my mommy, I'd be talking about it to you, and there's like nothing worse in this world than being worried about your mommy. I know, it's true.

And it's just like very sad, and then now there's this new, new, new cycle that I saw today about like her, actually, her agency was actually that she helped surge be like a weird sex perm or a close daughter. They're French, even though it was like clearly just a joke and they had an affectionate family dynamic. And she was a provocateur. Yeah, and like, yeah, he made, it was like clearly just a joke and they had an affectionate family dynamic and she was a provocateur And like yeah, he made it's like it was he's French it was the 70s. Yeah, it's this like Racist amnesia

where they completely are blind to Contacts or intent or just and the other reason there are no muses is that women are the bosses now. They've caught out the middle men and taken matters into their own hands. Like yesterday's muses are today's e-girls and influencers. And instead of having one great man who made you like the face of his life's work, there are now many faceless men who subscribe to your Patreon and feed

your insatiable appetite for attention. Well, that's yeah, as you said, there's there are no great men and then yeah, ultimately feminism has triumphed and in doing so has made women women charmed us, but also powerful actually. Yeah, but not in a meaningful way. Yeah, in a similar way. In a similar way. A bit of power that has rid them of their real feminine charms, which is, I think, the real source of feminine power. Yeah, there's there's like really a great agency in that. I think like young

women rely on this very powerful fantasy narrative that like amuses someone who is plucked from obscurity by a great and powerful man on account for sexiness and her beauty, which, you know, the way that it looks on the outside is not how it really goes down behind the scene. No, I think the great muses have always had their own, like, immense will. Yeah, like, the reality is that it's very hard work to successfully fashion yourself into a sex symbol. You have to do a lot of self-promoting, often through secretive back channels. There's a lot of social climbing involved. You have to make sure that you set your sights on the right guy and not a guy who's promising, but actually a drug addict and a one-hit wonder.

That was me and Allison were talking the other day about how we spent our 20s dating so many like loo-loosers. Because you thought, you and I, like, got you. Just like, yeah, I was like, why weren't we, we were hot, like, Allison's a friggin' model. Like, we were like hot, young, troubled girls, but like, you know, could have set our sights on some like materialistic aims, but we both were like, I love them. He's a junkie. But I'm saying is that being a muse is not an organic process by any means. No, it's not random. Yeah, being a muse is actually hard work. It's a full-time job.

It's a skill. I'm sorry. Yeah. Someone who, I mean, Lana, I think in Blue Bannisters, says you can't be a muse and be happy too. And the idea of the muse is a big motif in her work. And I think that some of the interesting tension in her life and work as an artist is that she's not a muse. She's not a muse, but she identifies archetypely with the muse so much of her early work was really about like having a man, you know, Betty Boobass actress like come and sweep you up and she wanted to marry. Yeah She became that hard-ass

Thomas 777 and Biker guy that is figure so prominently in all of her early work. Women want to hide behind this very powerful fantasy, right? That being amused is, it happens out of the blue and it doesn't. It takes quite a bit of agency. Let's be real. No woman, not even the most beautiful woman, are so captivating that they become like amused naturally and organically overnight. No.

You really have to have the will. And then there's this whole feminist argument that like beautiful girls are a dime a dozen. Yeah, it's like currency said, bitches are a dime a dozen. I fuck them sister's cousins. But you have to have, yeah, like a lot of, you have to be tolerant to risk, you have to have a lot of personal industry, you have to be willing to subscribe to positive delusion, which very few people are, most people subscribe

to negative delusion. You have to be a very willful individual, but the thing is like there's always this feminist argument that like muses remain under recognized, relative to artists. And it's like artists, their art form is something outside of them. Muses, their art form, is themselves. Which in some ways I think more, I'm going to quote I was like looking through my notes for the word muse because it's something I've muse in the past and I found like I went a Lana put her poetry book out. This is a Lana Del Rey poem where she says,

I'm a real poet, my life is my poetry. I love you, but you don't understand me. I'm a real poet, my life is my poetry, my love making is my legacy. My thoughts are about nothing and beautiful and for free. And that's a real like, that's muse mindset right there. She's like, yes, she's being productive. But she's but Lana is is literally she's not a muse. She's not a muse, but she's preoccupied with the idea of muse. She's a male style artist who has created

an entire sonic and visual ecosystem like any great great otter, she has inflicted her vision upon the earth and has profoundly changed culture. Yeah. To the point that like, the, you know, it's like what they said about, like, Fellini now, when you think of Italy, you think of Fellini, you think of like some busty woman sucking down a strand of like spaghetti or whatever. And when you think of like being like a troubled Lolita waifu with bruise knees, you think of Lana, which she's not that.

She's a 37 or 38 year old overweight woman who's sober and is talented in the way that like Leonard Cohen or Bob Dylan is talented. Is peaking, is it the, yeah, thriving and the... But that's why the whole concept of the muse is so powerful because every woman has that fantasy deep down inside that she will be preselected by a strong and powerful man and that this will ratify, this will vindicate her beauty. But they're not willing to put in the work, simple as... and that this will ratify, this will vindicate her beauty. But they're not willing to put in the work, simple as.

Well, neither side is, isn't it? Well, there's no one. If Shelley Duval was around today, there wouldn't be a Robert Altman to make her what she became. She would just be incredibly unique and affable, like, weird looking girl who's like very, very special, but like needed all men. She needed all men, you know? Yeah, and, you know, I need to say this about Jane Birkin, who again, her body isn't even cold yet. There would be no

Jane Birkin without Serge Gainesburg. No, but that's okay. And I so my, yeah, my big take is that it's actually this this muse backlash is it's actually a very patriarchal to privilege or to just hold in higher esteem the productive labor of men versus the like seductive work that women do and I'm going to read now from yeah yeah from Bodhryard so sorry He wrote a whole book called Seduction, wherein he says, Seduction, however, never belongs to the order of nature, but that of Artifice, never to the order of energy, but that of signs and rituals. This is why all the great systems of production and interpretation

have not ceased to exclude seduction to its good fortune from their conceptual field. For seduction continues to haunt them from without, and from deep within its forsaken state, threaten them with collapse. It awaits the destruction of every godly order, including those of production and desire. This is where seduction and femininity are confounded, indeed confused. Masculinity has always been haunted by this sudden reversibility within the feminine. Seduction and femininity are inelectable as the reverse side of sex, meaning and power. Today, the exorcism is more violent and systematic. We are entering the era of final solutions.

We are entering the final solution. For example, millions of staff having sex. For example, that of the sexual revolution of the production and management of all liminal and subliminal pleasures, the microprocessing of a desire with the women who produces herself as women as a sex, as being the last avatar, ending seduction. What does that mean? Basically, he says that seductive order is not soluble in power.

All of our understandings of being productive, of being powerful, are phallocentric. They are patriarchal. But there's sexual difference, not just biologically, but conceptually as well. But like men produce things out in the world and women are armor preion. Nietzsche says this too, they are more preoccupied with like, Artifice, the woman's greatest artist. Well, they're more preoccupied with status, they're more preoccupied with,

but also like a symbolic order of something that like doesn't quite slot into like producing something. That's what the muse doesn't care that she's not like doesn't have songwriting credits or isn't like producing work. They do sometimes, what was that? The article mentions that Berkinen's sister on singing on the Gainesburg track. I don't know how true I don't know if I buy that. I don't know how much convincing she had to do. I think she was much more in control and had much more agency than is given to her. And this whole narrative that she was like a do-eyed Lolita caught in the crosshairs of this dirty old man is a very convenient feminist narrative.

Women want to have some credit in the life's work of a man. And it's true, like men are productive and women are seductive and the men who are seductive are mentally ill and probably gay. Right. But this whole also very feminist narrative that muses don't get their due credit throughout history is patently false because so many people were mourning the passing of Jane Birken, one of history's greatest muses. Indeed. She was incredibly famous and well-known. She had a bag. Yeah, she had a bag named after her. She had a fucking the best bag. It was actually kind of a fogly bag, but we

will be probably wearing it when we're 60. But like, she got credit in proportion to what she was. She made her art about herself and her beauty. Search Gainesburg made his art about something greater than himself. So therefore he's more famous and important. I'm sorry. But there are only, it's only if you place value on the importance of producing something, rather than just like, like as you said, the muse's work is per life. Like, she doesn't have to produce anything. Right, and I think the old, the, the muses of your understood this and they weren't trying to like adjudicate

where they stood in the social hierarchy. Like Jane Burke in herself, where she's still alive would never be like, I didn't get as much credit as surge. Exactly. But some of them, some of them do. It's, women have this very uncanny ability to like associate themselves with status and power. And then when it becomes socially expedient to throw the people who gave them the proximal

status and power under the bus. I mean that's for sure. And Baudjard goes on to say, I bet it's talking about the women's movement, because I think he wrote this book in the 70s or early 80s. The women's movement is ashamed of seduction as implying an artificial presentation of the body or a life of vesselage and prostitution. They do not understand that seduction represents mastery over the symbolic universe, while power represents only mastery of the real universe.

That's true. And it's like you're really just privileging a kind of material reality or an understanding of how you think things are, if you can't appreciate what muse is bringing to the table, which is symbolic, which is ineffable. Anyway, that's all I got. All I'm saying is that I don't like the kind of feminist prognarative that the muses

are short-changed in some way because they're actually in the real and material universe. They're often unhappy. But they're operating real and material universe. They're often unhappy But who cares about being happy? I was that ever been the place, but if you if you set yourself up to have an impact on culture and society It's almost a guarantee that you're not a happy person in real life Right men who have muses are seldom happy. Yeah. It's not a...

And the other thing is like a man's greatest muse is ultimately no woman. It's his work. Wow. It's what you... Same thing sometimes. What do you mean? Like sometimes a woman is so... I don't know.

A decooning, I think. Elaine decooting who did make some interesting paintings of her own, I don't really care. But she was very much like his muse and I think his work was. Yeah, or like Lee Krasner, who was like not Jackson Pollock's muse, but is the reason that anybody has ever heard of Jackson Pollock? Yeah. Because she really put him on the map. Yeah. But yeah, like the the to those who leverage this criticism against the muse I think it shows already like an over investment in masculine order in like the reality of like Patriot a Patriotical reality

Which is not feminist. And it's more feminist, just lie down, open your legs, and suffer. I hope that someone writes a fucking book or makes a little painting or something. I bet how nice it was to fuck you. it was to fuck you. Mike drop. Women just generally speaking aren't interested in being masculine type creator. Nowadays they're interested in something like it, but they're no good at it. Yeah, and also they...

Very seldom, I should say. Yeah, and also they very seldom, I should say. Yeah, and there have been women throughout history who were like the male type, like Andrea Dworkin, Camille Poglet, usually they're Christians. Lesbians. Lesbians and critics. But generally speaking, there's no great or example

or evidence of biological determinism than like the master muse relationship, the master and margarita. Yeah, which the point of which also if you are using like happiness as some extremely pedestrian metric for the worth of someone's life, just count me out. Like I'm not interested in having that conversation. I don't care how happy Jane Berkken was. She seemed pretty happy or at least accepting of her face. Yeah, which is

really the goal, I think. What is it? The happiness is into state. Oh, yeah, this is like a famous This isn't a state, it's a... Oh yeah, this is like a famous, a franly, but it's line, that happiness is not a condition, it's a sensation. It's something that you feel periodically and fleetingly that reminds you of the suffering of your life. It reminds you that life is like worth living,

it's worth going on. But generally, what it, humans would like worth living, it's worth going on, but generally like what it like Humans would like mass suicide like lemmings off a cliff if they were like constantly happy It would be unbearable. It's hardly hardly a goal into it. We love suffering and misery. We live for it That's my preference. I have to pee again. Oh, the other thing I wanted to say is that I think a lot of women fantasize about being amuse and see themselves as amuse because it's a way of postponing the responsibility that you have to take for yourself. Kind of like it's nice to play around with suicidal ideation

even though you're never gonna go through it. It's like a very important escape hatch to have, right? As I said, I'm like the last podcast. Like you would never actually go through with it, but if you didn't have the ability to fantasize about it, life would be very bleak because it would mean that you would have to go on living, taking on responsibility, living in the material world of power. You're never going to make a work of art, but you can imagine that someone will encounter

you who will be inspired enough to you. For sure. Yeah, definitely. I mean, that's, I think, once again, what makes Lana's work so interesting is because over the course of her, like, decade plus long career, we've watched her, like, reckon with the dissolution of a fantasy of musehood and, like, coming into her own, really, as, like, an artist, but she always has been. But obviously her early work was much more preoccupied with like daddy Lolita stuff.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And she, I mean, no shade to Lana and it's not meant as an insult. But she's a perpetually single and childless woman because I think that she as a great artist could not possibly tolerate at this present moment. Well, maybe if there was a coordinate to a man and a child. If there were some great men around, I don't discount the possibility that she will go on and get married and have a child.

Like this happens. Yes. But that's why she dates like cops and stuff. You know, she has to, she's not going to date like a lesser artist. Yeah, I mean, that's a real problem for women of her caliber is that once you are that famous and respected, there are very few men who are worthy of you.

And so you're forced to date large men who are like cops or construction workers or whatever. And you have to like enter into like some weird like reverse age gap relationship or be with a guy who's like, you know, basically a jiggle. Yeah. Like being an extremely successful woman is not a negative thing necessarily, but it's not a value add in your but it's not a value

add in your attractiveness as a woman. I mean, it certainly seems being amused, definitely seems preferable. Yeah. Being high-achieving. Yeah. Yeah, being high-achieving may make legions of men simple for you. But it's less likely to make one man love you So I also like we're really in a new paradigm where like women will say that they want like a husband in a family

But what they really want is an army of simpsi I've said this a million times And this is again no shade to women, but that's just the reality I don't know if they so much want the army of simpsis. That's just like an easier a path of like less resistance It's like it's easier to accumulate than to have true love or like, for there to, I mean, once again, yeah, to have someone that is really, like, you really respect to love you. Yeah, and it's hard to respect anyone if you're like a high achieving successful woman. Yes. Yeah, but I, both men and women take the path of least resistance now, which is calling other women mid-and-turned-on.

Yeah. Who do you think is going to be the next candidate in the mid-discourse? I really hope Margot was the down on the coffin on it. I don't know how to describe it. I feel like it's gonna be real. It's like we had again. There'll be. I mean, now that Hollywood's at a stand still, it doesn't. Yeah. Barbie really feels like, is the last movie. In some way, it's like, it's like, this is it. This is the pinnacle of our own like it's like this is it this is the pinnacle There's been so much hype around it the bro. Yeah, we'll get into it Yeah, the marketing the marketing I know people are crying out for more book and movie reviews

But the marketing campaign is exhausting you can't go any like so many in so ho There's so many stores that have like some brand partnership with Barbie. Yeah, and you see that kind of like fuchsia color everywhere and it's like they're really trying. Even the Margot Robbie is mid discourse I resented so much because I was like you think it was like an inside job? No, not exactly. I think like the inside jobs fulfill them. They don't have to be inside jobs because people sigh up themselves. So I was like, great job and non like great marketing campaign for the Barbie movie. You fucking bag it. Like, yeah. Why are you engaging playing into Greta Gerwig's hands? You are. Her massive football player like hands.

Do you have the same impulse toward Greta that you feel toward Pearl? I kind of want to fight Greta. You fight Pearl, I fight Greta. You fight Greta, you fight me. We have both of you. We have both of you. We have both of you. No, I have a complicated relationship with Greta because of her humble indie roots, you know, in many ways, though I would

never have gone about things the way that she did. You know, she's someone who really busted out of Indie Jail. It came out of mumble core. Because she's a woman. Well, no, many women trapped in Indie Jail. Yeah, but many, much more talented. She's a success story of affirmative action. Yeah, but she weaseled her way to like, yeah, blockbuster status out of like literal

mumble court movies. But she, yeah, she was like amused to know a bomb back behind the scenes. And as to Swan, Joe Swanberg before that. To? Joe Swanberg. That's where she cut her teeth. It was in making these like mumble corn movies with Joe Swanberg. And then, yeah.

She cut her teeth by putting her lips over her teeth. No, actually back in my day when I was a wheel ad when I was young the main accusation you could throw to woman was that she like sucked her suck dick to get to the top and the sad reality is that you really don't have to suck dick anymore to get to the top. No. We live in the post winds. It's only a could suck my weight That also has its own skill set

Yeah, we now it's a whole different it's a whole different ball game There is a woman's world and it sucks There was like an OG Video of Xen called Korean super head Stephens mm-, who briefly dated Bill Maure actually. All the rappers would write diss tracks about or would mention in diss tracks about other rappers because she really sucked off the whole rap game and she was amused to so many men. But women weren't satisfied with that I guess. Yeah, they women aren't satisfied with that, I guess.

Yeah, they really aren't. So they got sly-offs. And to thinking there is something else. That's a mistake. Ladies, even let us stray. But it's like that whole line about how, you know, if we really did live in a Darwinian society, only the 1% of men, like the top 1% of men would procreate because they would hoard like 80% of females. And most men would be just like non-productive, non-procreative members of society.

Only like the top 1% of women could be muses. For sure. Most women are doomed to being like, how's the learners or long dresses are now journalists? But again, not by some like quantitative SMV metric like by something inept, like, Shadli Duval once again is like, you know, she had something truly ineffable.

She wasn't like a fantastic actress. She was instrumentalized and used by men to do amazing things. I guess if it's a show she wasn't like a fantastic beauty because she was like, frankly, we are looking but really, really, really special. But there is ones again, nobody like Robert Altman now to see Someone like her for what her potential could be as like An instrument in their vision. Do you think that we're gonna have like an about face where women are the the new like core of directors and they take on male muses

That's that's one of the questions that this article poses, where she was like, Robert De Niro was supplanted by Leo DiCaprio as Scorsese's male muse, but the dynamic was different. Yeah. And is Robert De Niro, an actor is always a vessel, you know,

but not necessarily to the level of like a muse. But is Robert De Niro or Leo DiCaprio even amuse, or is he just like a working actor that this particular director prefers and has like a congenial working relationship with? Not necessarily congenial, but like functional. Productive. Productive.

Not necessarily functional even. Right. It's what goes on behind the scenes. No, I think that there has to be some sexual or romantic dynamic between Martin's and Robert in the movie. No, no, no, just before a mute, for someone to qualify as a muse, that there needs to be something more than just like a working relationship, right? It's they need to be enamored with them in some in some sexual way, even if it's not over. If you reduce it down, doesn't it also come down to the fact that like

whatever woman becomes amused is merely a place holder for the man's libido? the man's libido? Perhaps. And she's like a special quantity because she plays into certain Freudian or Jungian impulses he has toward a certain type of woman. Perhaps, but I think there's still something like singular. You know, there couldn't have been, had Jane Burke and been some other like,

Lanky, Burnett with bangs, who was like technically beautiful, I don't think. She would have been the same. I just think I think there is something singular. Yeah, but there's something singular. And to deny that is, literally this is my most favorite. This is to deny life, this is thought ever.

There's something singular about everyone. We're all truly special snowflakes. So true. But we need to be perceived. Or if you, a muse needs to be perceived by somebody exceptional, I guess. And like, yeah, we're all special. Everyone has something.

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to like assert themselves onto the world either as an artist or a muse and the fact that these libta journalists want to take this away from us you will never be muse you are a mere blue check I'll never be muse to leave hang or mattaibi for journalists the truth is their muse For journalists, the truth is their muse. The map is their muse. They're obsessed. Once again, this deductive order comes into play. But Gemini is the muse of the zodiac.

Very true, I think. Because they're changeable. They're what we call a... What's that word? Mercurial. No, it's like a technical term from astrology. Mutable. Mutable sign. They're a mutable sign. But half the signs are mutable. Nice season. Not I felt like a quarter of the signs are that the ones that fall on the seasonal

changes. Oh, I see, I see. So I, I would even wager that the mutable signs are more feminine in nature. Sure. Women are more symbolic speaking. Right. Like in any gendered way or whatever. No, but yeah, women are in general are more are more mutable. So that makes it really a sad indictment of the industry that they depend on, like, forceful personalities to write, like, fake news stories. But, like, wouldn't exist if they were actually doing investigative journalism.

If there was something, yeah, like, surely there must be something worth reporting on. I'm sure. Besides, map. I'm sure there's all sorts of like horrible maybe there isn't Trophicking and chemicals in the water stuff going on at all times like regime change stuff right But that's not as fun as a Pervert who says we should let the animals out of this That's what people want to hear about That That's what's getting the clicks, baby.

You know who the ultimate muse is? Is Donald Trump, obviously? Well, he's an artist, Anna Muse. He's a man of his time. He's incredible. I mean, in that way, Napoleon is also a muse. He's inspired. He's a man of great action who also is an inspiration.

Napoleon did have some wartime victories, right? Yes, many, yes. Napoleon did have some wartime victories, right? Yes, many, yes. Yes, Trump is kind of just like a symbolic cipher. Yes, yeah. Like, he, Trump is like a beautiful woman on the world stage. He is, and he does deal in a kind of Artifice that is reflective of his time he has like a mirror or

You know, he's he is he's seductive in the true like Sense of the word. We can't love him or hate him. We can't Take your eyes off them. Yes, I think that's very correct. Well, I think you either love him or hate him. I mean, I love him. Yeah, but you hate him. But you really can't hate him. He's not really worthy of hate. Many people hate him, but they're addicted to the outrage

that they experience. That's the Trump Drainage Center, is that they think they hate him, but really they're obsessed with him. It's always like democratic politicians and blue-check journalists, because they I think they hate him, but really they're obsessed with him. It's always like democratic politicians and blue-check journalists, because they have the relationship between the overt and the covert narc.

And from the Trump is an overt narcissist. He's a classic grandiose narcissist, which is like chronicle in all the DSM manuals. That type of person who is like the bogeyman of the psychoanalytic industry is a virtually non-existent type. It's like being the most beautiful woman on the bell carpet basically doesn't exist. Most people who are in media entertainment industries are covert narks which is that they're deeply resentful and

envious of other people and have the, well, he or she can get away with that, but I can't get away with it, which must mean I'm a good person because I won't stoop to that level. Well, they have also a negative narcissism and a negative delusion. Yeah, where they like measure themselves against other people.

Trump doesn't seem to really measure himself against other people. Trump doesn't seem to really measure himself against other people. He's just doing his own thing. He's perfect. He's actually the most beautiful woman who's going to start a Donald Trump is mid-discord. He's a 10. I was going to tweet Brad Pitt is mid, but then I figured people would get really mad at me and not get the job. Yeah, so I do what I ironically think Brad Pitt is mid. I mean, he's like a hot chick. Just because, I mean, I'm sure if he was here now, we'd be like... Falling overhead.

Falling overhead, I'm sure he has some intense and insane charisma, yeah, but... Yeah, it's like, I don't find any, like... The way like meant and all the men at the gym are like technically attractive and in shape of like they're truly like mid And that I like don't care Are you attracted to many men? No, no Okay, so that means you're like really chronically depressed because I'm not either Yeah, yeah, something like that. I just think I have peculiar taste, okay?

No, I don't find myself like, yeah, overtaken with lust from the vast majority of of people, even if I can like see them as being objectively attractive, no. Nope. Sad but true. I wanted to talk about, well no, I didn't even want to talk about this, but it was originally on our docket, the Gilgo Beach serial killer, which we briefly touched on with this. But a question I have, is that do you think that the victims of serial killers are their muses? Sometimes. Yeah.

I mean, sometimes, yeah, I mean, sometimes your work is, but killing people. Like in a creative way. Yeah, some serial killers are very creative and some fixate certainly on their victims in a similar muse-like fashion. Why do you think so many serial killers are Virgo Pisces Gemini? Hmm, I don't know. I don't know. Virgo! It's all mutable signs, mutable signs. Okay, okay.

Okay. So like prone to influence. I think Virgo's right exacting all all all all aesthetic and I think like you know if you are really like going to undertake the the path of being like a serial killer then you must have some aesthetic like sensibility about the way you go about it. Poglia was actually like so right. When she made that comment about, um, what was the Jack the Ripper comment? There's been no female Mozart because there's no female Jack the Ripper. Right.

Because our, and serial murder are similar yeah yeah they demand a lack of empathy for others and like a exerting of your will onto the world like you're really going to like on exist someone and make know, it is your work. Certainly. There's a, yeah, I mean, that's the idea. And did you see the house that Jack built? It's not like Laura's one true movie about a serial killer is yeah, like trying to make his, yeah, he's like, I think something like that, something about them being like aesthetic and exacting. Pisians surprise is surprising to me. It is surprising to me too. Because they're kind of like sac, they're a little like weepy and like low functioning,

but also like above it all. I mean also Virgo is surprising because they are like seething and attentive to detail, but also are fundamentally like squeamish. So you would think that you wouldn't want to brutally murder somebody in a sexual manner, because that would leave a lot of traces of bodily fluids in hair. Gemini's their psychos, that's why. Gemini's a psychos. But I think Gemini's probably also combine the the flightiness of Pisces and the exactitude of Virgo in one person that's like totally like the perfect kill.

I'm unmatchable. Yeah, as reconcilable and a suffer forever. with my love all in the suffer forever. But with Pisces, I can see like, with them being more tapped into some supernatural, like dreamy realm, they're very easily, being mutable, very easily like overtaken, right? By like floods, like emotional. And it's like, I love it all.

So like murdering people, ain't just thing. Yeah, I know, thank, they're like on another, they're on another realm. So they don't have the same moral preoccupations of those might. That's true. Yeah. Because they're like living in a dream. By killing sex workers.

Was he a Pisces? No, he was a Virgo. I went just. I looked into this. Yeah, yeah. Makes sense. Because he didn't architect. Right, yeah, yeah. And middleing architect. He's like, he's like the ironed ubermange reality versus expectations. Like the expectation is like some hot guy who looks like Christian Bale. is like some hot guy who looks like Christian Bale. The reality is like a fat German retard. He's blown in redone to pay killer eyes.

And like a fat like baboon titan boy. He has this very like, Elbrich Der, like very German phenotype this guy, Rex Hewerman. He looks like, yeah yeah I don't know. Like that lady who had like all that plastic surgery. Oh um Joss and Waterstein, Wolf and Burg. He looks like a cat. He looks like Danny Ayello to that actor who died he definitely looks like a

fucked up guy. This kind of like pivots back to mid discourse and he's mid. As a serial killer he's kind of mid. Middling architect middling killer. Yeah no no he's was the zodiac killer of Virgo. Richard Ramirez I don't know it's a good question. With all those puzzles and whatnot, let me see. I actually forgot how this pivoted back. Oh yeah, because in photos and mug shots, he looks very like intimidating and frightening, but I watched a YouTube segment of his... Wait, they never caught the zodiac!

I don't know, it was Richard Ramirez. No, no, Richard Ramirez was a totally different guy. Richard and Ananya. Okay, Zodiacular, out large. We probably a Virgo. If any police are listening. No, I think they caught a guy who was probably hit. I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna delve too deep, but um, right, I didn't know that.

I think Richard Hennone has remeara's, cereal, pices, Pisces. Okay, because these are dreamy. Very dreamy, you can see it in the eye. Yeah, yeah. 12. What's Jeffrey Dahmer? Good question. What's Dahmer? Good question. What's your guess?

Virgo? No, I don't think he's a Virgo or a Pisces. May 21st. Gemini. Gemini. Okay. Fuck. Wow.

Dahmer is my fave because he's actually like very Gentle and intelligent and interviews, but yeah, my point was that Rex Hurman in interviews is not intimidating or creepy at all He's like a big dorky big bird of a man. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah It doesn't come across at all that he looks to slay sex workers. Bundy is November 24th, the sad rare sad. Bundy is actually my least favorite serial killer. Yeah. He's unlikable and more and overrated. Edgene, August 27th. That's Virgo.

Virgo. Virgo. He was making... There was one I was going to look up. Oh, I thought he was the one who dressed up like a clown. Maybe he'd be both, I don't know. I forget who I was going to look up. There was like a Japanese serial killer. Wait, let's look up Shikatilo

we have to we have to determine all the serial killers exact birthdays before the baby gets home from there okay let's just tell me this guy's name, bro. I will be doing some editing on this segment. Yeah, yeah. There's one. Okay, 16 October. That's like a Libra.

Who? Shikatila. He's like, are you as famous here, killer? He killed 50. John Wayne Gacy. John Gacy was like, I hear just like a clown and he was a Pisces. Okay. Okay, but he dressed like a clown.

Yes. A lot of sages too. Okay. Oh Ted Cazinskay was going to look up. But he's not a serial killer. He's just a... No, but... He's not even a mass murderer.

Gemini. Okay. Auto-guine file. Apparently but I don't know. My therapist, my therapist is doing so funny to me that I met Tekazin's Keeberg. He's like if he just had better boundary. He was like, if he just had better boundaries. He's playing. He wanted to win. When is his birthday? To kill in May 22nd. Yeah, OK. Yeah, he said if Ted cousins he had better boundaries.

Maybe he wouldn't have had to kill in May. Well, those people. What is the Gemini range? It's the 21st to the good question. I'm just trying to see some things. Yeah, the 21st to June 20th. Okay. And then it's like cancer. Then cancer.

I bet Scorpio cancer most responds over the killings of passion or whatever probably Son of Sam Gemini Okay Jew Anyway, we can wrap it up like We can wrap it up like so wasted. Yeah, we're fucked. Okay, damn. Yeah, let's call it.

Yeah. All right. I'm gonna have to do some heavy editing. Just a little. It looks good. I'm gonna do it all. See you in hell. See you in hell.

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