Red Scare - OnlySWERFS

Episode Date: September 1, 2020

The ladies discuss Bella Thorne's OnlyFans stunt, the sports strikes and NPR's In Defense of Looting interview.

And we're back. We're back. How's it going Anna? You're roommate Leia has her bong out and it's really tempting. Really? And then you can hit it. I was going to say it looks very cloudy and dirty. Well, yeah, but it is a bong.

Yeah. It's a nice one. Yeah, it's not as cute as the other one that she had that literally looked like her because it was like pink and then the cat smashed it in a fit of rage. It's cool to have a bong in your late 20s. Yeah. It shows a real commitment to a bit that I appreciate. How long can you have a bong for?

What's the cut off age? Are you a loser if you're 45 and have a bong? Yeah. Okay, but plenty of parents I know smoke weed, like people in their 60s, but they just like bong is kind of a, I feel like past a certain age you have to kind of like smoke like joints or have some kind of elegant piece or something. Yeah. Being a senior citizen of the bong is...

You can't smoke blunts or do bong rips if you're like 35 plus basically. It's good to know. We're getting blunted to the dome. What's on the docket today? I don't know. It was like in one hole out the other. I already forgot. We had too much fun at our photo shoot.

That's what's new with us. Yeah. We did a photo shoot. We never do photo shoots. No, we don't. I realize we haven't taken... Nobody asks us. That's weird.

I know. But we haven't like taken photos for the pod in... Two years? Yeah. Basically as long as we've been doing it. First incorporated. That's true. Yeah.

Actually it was way before. We've only now incorporated real losers. We got our business debit cards in the mail. Yeah. I'm going to like go to Bloomingdale's and buy like a bunch of Chanel makeup. Charge it to the card. Congrats to us. Yeah.

That was fun. We were shot by my personal favorite photographer, Heiji Shin, who has a cool new profile out in T Magazine. I haven't read it yet, but I'm going to boost it. Cool. I didn't even know. Yeah, I haven't. I was going to read it on my phone, but I got like paywall cock blocked out of it.

So I'm going to remember to do that today. T-MAG's The Times. We can use Maddie's Time's log in. Yeah. Yeah. The Failing New York Times. I already forgot what we're talking about. I think we should just call the whole thing off.

It's funny to read these kind of profiles. I sort of skimmed it through like various screen caps and it's like the parts about her work are really good and competent, but then they had to insert all this kind of like contemporary political discourse. With the BLM ride sweeping across America as a proud Asian American, oops, I mean Asian German. It's like always this kind of like topical. Is she from Berlin?

Frankfurt, I think. Oh, cool. Please don't kill me. It may be wrong. I'm doing it. You're doing it. You're hitting the bomb. I'm going to hit the bomb.

Okay. For the ASMR for her. Maybe I'll have like a quarter of an edible because I don't want to smoke on air because I'm just going to end up coughing. I could shotgun it into your mouth. I could shotgun it into your mouth. You didn't watch the VMAs last night. No, unfortunately.

No, I saw some like highlights on Twitter like how Ariana Grande and Lady Gaga performed in masks or whatever. Yeah. There was a lot of... I don't like the mask dancer. It feels so symbolic and not... You know, they're not wearing masks like rehearsals and shit. Most people are like not donning masks.

Yeah. Just more... More liberal spin. Exactly. So having mask dancers just feels like, I don't know, like more of a symbolic gesture than anything else, than any safety precautions. But yeah, they basically was like sponsored by Honda or something. And they had like a big parking lot with like socially distanced Honda highlight like parked

or Toyota. Maybe... I don't even remember. I think it was Toyota. Because there was like... Was it like a drive-in type thing? Kind of. It looked kind of driving and there was like people sitting on their cars and then various

people like pretending to perform, Maluma, who won Best Latin, did a number where he wasn't even really... Where he was very clearly lip-syncing. Yeah. BTS always, always good to see those boys. Yeah, those CIA agents. Doing their synchronized dancing. My boyfriend was wondering if they were gay.

I said, no, they're just Korean. Yeah, it's different in Asian countries. You don't know what... I mean, they don't have... They probably don't have personal lives because their whole lives are like wrapped up in idol training and perfecting their plastic surgeries and stuff. Yeah. I imagine they're probably putting in like 80 hours a week on like choreo and like, you

know... Skin lightening. I would surgery. Just being perfect idols. Yeah, in North Korea, they have labor camps in South Korea. They have idol camps. Exactly. I'm sad I'm too old to be to turn around and become a Korean starlet.

There's a Russian K-pop idol. Yeah, I remember we talked about this like way back when. Because I... People were taking Umbridge with there being a Russian Korean pop star, but she's Asiatic. Yeah. It's Asian enough for me. Asian enough for me. Yeah, Lady Gaga looked like a fucking freak.

Harayana, Karayana, Grande, it was pretty all in all pretty gay, to be honest. Yeah, I kind of think we're too old for the VMAs. Also, there's no counterculture left. It's all... Like there's no subculture. Everything is just mainstream pop culture, so it's all the same. There was a new category, best video from home, best kind of COVID video, which was gross.

Yeah. I don't want to see the inside of a celeb's home. I know. They're all the same. They look like Arabian bees. Exactly. And there's one of those giant, really expensive fridges that's just packed with a V8 juice. Vitamin water.

Yeah. And they're like bad, weird art that's randomly displayed. Who won? Who won best... are Justin Bieber and Ariana Grande. Yeah. Were there any Albanian pop starlets in the house? What was that article that was making the rounds about Albanians? There was a Twitter ad that the reason that there's been such a high concentration of

Albanian girls in pop is because the Albanian mob is laundering money. And there was this woman who was like some sort of like janky reporter was talking about how Rita Ora performed a concert in some like bumfuck central European town where the auditorium only held 4,000 seats, but her press team claimed that they sold 60,000 seats and that was a money laundering operation. I mean, honestly, it sounded kind of like what about Rita Ora? I don't know. It's this woman was spinning her wheels about how they're just like drug laundering.

I believe it. I mean, it explained. I don't know whether or not that story is true, but it explains why all pop music suddenly sounds like it's from the Balkans. It's like a reedy Ottoman sound, it's like some reggaeton artist, but it sounds Turkish. I know what you mean. This is a new thing. I just attributed it to the like the larger Slavic influence on the culture.

Yeah, like Trash Slav, like Guap culture and then you know, like remember when Dua Lipa tweeted that weird Acothanus zone flag that was talking about how Kosovo should be incorporated in Albania, which is like a weird, she was like doing geopolitics on the TL. Is Charlie Axie X Albanian? No, she's, she looks Albanian, but she's half Indian and half white, but she's like British. Cool. Yeah.

I enjoy her. Yeah. I like her music. I liked how carefree she seems on Instagram. Yeah. She kind of has like that weed slut vibe. Yeah. Like crevaceous brunette.

I don't know. I like all this music. I don't like any sort of avant-garde or elevated music much to the chagrin of Eli. I like top 40 Balkan Trash pop. Do you like BTS? I don't know what a single BTS song even sounds like I couldn't begin to identify. I don't know what the Ariana Grande Lady Gaga song sounds like. Yeah.

I don't remember what Wett S. Posey sounds like. Highly forgettable. Yeah. Taylor Swift wasn't there. I think she wanted a best pop or something. I wasn't. Best cottagecore. God.

But yeah, I think we're probably too old for the VMAs. And it's just the COVID programming. I'm glad that every ad isn't like about these uncertain times anymore. It seems like we're shifting more into like at least maybe delusionally of a kind of pre-COVID state. Yeah. I saw a weird back to school Navy ad where they were like jeans for back to school, whatever that looks like.

And I was like, oh, that's so bleak. That's so dark because they were still trying to do this back to school thing, even though we know that there's no schools anymore. Well some school in Florida, they open schools and then all these kids got COVID and they had to close them. I see. The COVID start is real, I guess. Yeah.

And it's also fake because there's like no infection rates in New York for months now. Well, that's because we reached herd immunity, isn't it? I think that's what it is. But I think if they started letting people indoors, it would spike up again. I don't know. I think, yeah, from what I understand, the major mode of transmission is when you hand, when people hand over credit cards to servers and they get like... What?

Yeah, because people are like touching. Oh. Yeah. But I don't know. I'm not a doctor or a scientist. I'm just a dumb whore. But then it's not, but New York's okay because everyone had it already? Yeah.

I think that's what it is. It's been fake the whole time. They're going to watch. Yeah. Yeah, it was created in a lab and then there was the subject of a weird fake PSYOP campaign. Fuck. What a wash this year has been. I know.

I know. It really sucks. And then we're going into like a new, another year of this. More COVID. Yeah. More COVID blown around. What? COVID scupids.

Well, I see, like there's still people doing kind of mask policing. Really? Like online, I see. But there seems to be just a fundamental kind of misunderstanding of what the mask does. Like there's people being like, I just biked for 30 miles wearing a mask. If I can do it, so can you. And it's like, that doesn't seem necessary. Yeah.

A time where you wouldn't have to wear a mask or like at the right place or something. Right. Yeah. And then so you see all these people like wearing masks at the beach and then like not wearing them at house parties. And stuff, and I think that's because when COVID first happened, all of the like stay at home messaging, you know, do you remember like hashtag stay home and stuff, flat on the curve, stay home, like kind of created this dissonance for people where they think

like you won't get COVID in your house. Yeah. Maybe. Which is why like now that we see people like having their like house parties and like interior social gatherings, people are like taking the masks off because they feel like an illusory sense of safety indoors. Yeah. And also like who wants to wear a mask with your friends and like in an intimate setting.

My mask is fake. Yeah. You poke holes in it like a condom. It's just like, it's too loose and it's like a loose kind of veil that I'm wearing. Yeah. I have one of those heavy duty masks, Velcro, but it lost one of those, the plastic air vents. So it's also fake.

Cause there's a massive hole in it that like leads directly to my like, did you see Faris's teeth? That was like, I'm going to start carrying around a fake sandwich. So that's really funny. That's kind of why I jewel. Cause if I walk around, you have to cut a hole in your mask for the jewel. I mean, I just wear it down like around my chin, like everyone else does. Yeah.

Me too. I mean, I straight up to be like if the COVID pops off, I'll slip it over my face. My mouth and nose, but yeah, if somebody like yells, you know, I rode the train just like I was like in kind of like a weird brain fog, fugue, and I rode this train from like, I think from here in Chinatown to like 59th street without a mask and like nobody noticed or said anything. And I didn't even notice where that's where other people on the train mask less. No, they were masking, but nobody like looked at me or said anything.

Yeah. Nobody cared. Yeah. But this is how I got away with shoplifting all those years because I'm like so small and white that nobody, you know, notices. I don't think of you as a super, as the super spreader. Yeah. I don't know.

Do you think it'll spike again? I mean, margin, I mean, it has to marginally, but I think like the, every kind of subsequent iteration will be much more mild and I really think we can at this point go back to life as usual and business as usual, but nobody wants that liability. So this is going to go on indefinitely, which sucks because it's made us all like dumber and fatter and weaker for sure. Not me. Not you.

And yeah, I've been. I've gotten thinner, weaker a little, but mentally much stronger. Do you think I'm like, I'm just mentally more like senile and demented. You feel dumber. Yeah. I don't feel like emotionally stronger. I feel like just as capable of handling adversity or whatever because of my Russian blood, but I feel like cloudy and fuzzy, but maybe that's from like not eating for two days before this

photo shoot. Yeah. And I was like, babe, you have to eat. I was being a huge veg really does take a toll on on your mood. Not eating. Not eating. It makes you a horrible, miserable cunt. Seriously.

See, we're not pro-anna. I'm not pro-anna. I can't go more than like four hours without eating. I have to snack. I'm like one of those annoying people that always like munches on nuts or something. I can go a long time without eating, but it does take a toll. Yeah. Inevitably.

And also like the thing is like, I don't want to be Anna. I want to be like normal, skinny, hot. Yeah. I'm setting the record straight. Yeah. Okay. I don't, I'm not pro-anna rex egg. I make light of my disordered eating, which is more connected to other emotional problems

and not like body dysmorphia. I'm not an a rex egg. It's just like I forgot to, well, my therapist thinks you're anyogram therapist. No. Well through, maybe this is why I feel, why I say I feel emotionally stronger is because I've been really doing therapy, but it has to do with my parents leaving me alone at a young age to like to work, you know, so you just sat in an apartment alone for hours on end.

Yeah. I played like the Sims and never like, you know, I would forget to eat all the time and kind of like a formative phase of my child. So it's like really connected to kind of feelings of like neglect and abandonment. Like if I had as a child, like prepared a meal for myself at Eatnet, it would have just kind of like affirmed for me that I was doing it because my parents weren't there, which was like a reality that maybe I couldn't grapple with as a kid, you know. And so that's why I have disordered eating.

I mean, I'm going to be a little bit more kind of cynical and mundane about it. I think you just like never developed the habits of preparing a normal meal for yourself because your parents never put those in place. I mean, me too, my mom never cooked, didn't we never sat around the table as a family? Yeah, I didn't do that. Maybe check your privilege and I guess someone comes at me. A Russian parent is really like a combination of like abuse and neglect. Like they leave you alone for long swathes of time to fend for yourself or they accuse

you of being mentally ill when you like wash a plate wrong or something. When you're like four years old before any mental illness begins to manifest itself. I remember my mom left us alone, you know, she'd leave us alone in a locked car in like 90 degree weather to go grocery shopping. She left us alone once and my sister like left the apartment and crossed a highway behind her house because we knew this lady named Chua Chua Luda who made Pillsbury rolls out of the can and my sister remembered that had like a Proustian memory and walked across the highway to like procure these rolls from this woman and like somehow didn't get hit

by like cars and truck. The cops came. I think my dad was like asleep in the other room and he was like, what? Because they found her like wandering a highway or we grew up like fucking like black kids in the project or like white trailer trash that are upbringing as Russians because parents are like Russian parents are so like hands off. I don't know. It depends.

I think it's because most Soviet parents are kind of we're reared and we're accustomed to more communal style parenting due to the shortage of housing and stuff like there wasn't I think, you know, in the Soviet Union, kids weren't left alone as much as Russian Americans because there was like family around. Yeah. There's a very immigrant experience. Exactly. It doesn't like transfer that well.

Yeah. Like the suburb. When they came to the States were atomized and alienated. Like dad was at work and mom was doing God knows. They just had to work. I don't fault them for it. They had to. Yeah.

They had to. It did not work. I don't know what the fuck she did. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. She had to go make some return. What do you do all day? Jack shit. I don't even leave the house anymore. It's really bad. I stopped even going to Sephora Bloomingdale's. No.

Sucks. Maybe make maybe we should do a day trip to Brandy. We should go to Bloomingdale's. We should do a pod from. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe like a permit or something. No.

We did it at the zoo. Yeah. We paid. Blooming's. We paid a ticket thing. We'll make some purchase. We'll make some purchase. Yeah.

We'll make some purchase. If we get apprehended. Business epic cards. I want to feel like Linda Manson out of the blue where some like really brawny security guards throw us out kicking and screaming. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway.

Have you ever been apprehended like that Anna? You had an incident with a bouncer. Yeah. A couple months ago. Yeah. Everything pre-COVID feels like a couple months ago I guess now is like a year ago. It was like six or seven months ago yet. I'm just like I think about the time from Feb onward is like not having happened.

Yeah. I don't know when the shift happened but. Yeah. I remember I guess February, March I've been apprehended by bouncers several times not even because I'm drunk or anything like that or belligerent but because like. You're too cute. Yeah. The bivouac but although I start like fighting for the truth I'm like this is injustice.

Grievance. So you're drunk. Yeah. And they're like okay. I see. Go. Go wait outside in the line. Like everybody else.

This is injustice. Our communities have been living under oppression for too long like ma'am this is a bar. You call this a vodka crayon. I'm going to Cape Cod. Oh right. Yeah. That's exciting. I'm really excited.

I've never been to Cape Cod before. You can get some actual original Brandy Melville merch because all the Brandy Melville merch is like. Cape Cod. Yeah. I can get. You can get the real deal. My Nantucket teacher.

For real. Yeah. You can get like those kind of like shorts such as the ones you're wearing that have like the white trim but say like Cape Cod. Yeah. Perfect. Yeah. Make your boyfriend buy you some seafood and some merch like a key chain.

Swag. Some seashells. Maybe I'll go to a lighthouse. All this New England stuff is very novel for me because I'm from the West Coast. Yeah. Like, you know, been to like a seaside town off the Atlantic or really been to Massachusetts that much. Yeah.

It's like being a social worker. LARPing is a civil rights activist, you know, the same feeling. Should we get to the docket, I guess? Yeah. We, Bella Thorne, apologize. Did you see? Yeah. I probably kind of did, but I didn't read her apology.

What did she say? I don't know. She's sorry. She stole sex worker Valor. So for those who aren't informed, Bella Thorne got into some heat after she made an old, this has all been like happening over the course of like a week and a half, she made an only fans account. All these only fans girls got upset.

She made like $2 million and like a span of 48 hours or something. People really want to see her tits. And they said that because she's a celeb, she's too rich and powerful to be on only fans, even though prior they really wanted to normalize sex work. But because then they said she was gentrifying it, she's a sexual gentrifier and an emotional gentrifier that she did scam her fans because apparently there was a PM that she was advertising like a 200, if they paid $200, they'd have access to her full nudes. There's a lot of levels and layers to this.

Which sounds like a flaw kind of in the only fans platform and not necessarily like Bella Thorne's fault. Yeah. I also don't think Bella Thorne is that rich. I mean, now she is. That's what I'm saying. Like she should take that $2 million if she's really sorry and redistribute it to those poor sex workers.

And then I was like, no, she needs the money. She needs the money. She needs the money. Oh, this is a research project for my new documentary coming out on HBO. It's like, bullshit, you need the money. She's been molested very clearly. She's been like, she's a victim of like Hollywood. Yeah.

I'm sure she didn't get a lot of fair contracts. I'm sure she's not that great at advocating for herself, especially as a child actor. Yeah. So maybe leave her the fuck alone. This is like file this under hoes mad yet again. Yet again. Hoes seems to be mad. She pulled in a historic $1 million in 24 hours and now she's earned over $2 million.

I subscribed. Yeah. Tell us about what you saw. Her let down really just kind of pretty banal bikini pigs. And then photos of her doing photo shoots in a bikini. I sent you, I made a video, I tweeted at her being like, I need a fucking drink right now of her. This is my impression of it.

Ready? She goes, happy Friday, mother fuckers. Who's having a drink tonight? I know I am. Her acting is so bad. And that's the whole video. I paid $16 for her to stand around in a bra and a kimono and go, I know I am, but she is worth it.

Honestly. I'm glad I paid top dollar for that type of shit. And she has like euphoria style eye makeup on with like Ryan. She looks like a show girl. Yeah. It's an interesting performance art piece for sure. She looks like she was molested. She's like the molestation to BPD pipeline in one person.

No, I'm serious. I'm not being facetious like people who were molested as children have that vibe. They always have that hair color. They always are chaotic and have like weird energy. Need a lot of attention. Yeah. Really unstable. It's really horrible.

Yeah. It's a terrible thing that, that happens. Yeah. She was charging $20 per month for a general subscription and then, but what really got her in hot water was that she was charging an additional 200 for these PPVs or whatever. I didn't, oh, PPVs. Yeah. And they promised nudity, but didn't deliver though, by, by all accounts, cause there was

like a screenshot circulating on Twitter. She was technically nude in the pic, but all the kind of censorable parts were covered up. Okay. Sounds like kind of like when you post an, what's your story kind of Victor? Yeah. I mean, she's technically nude. Okay.

She's technically self-defense. So it sounds like that holds up in a court of, of the only fans. There was no nipple or pussy or butthole or anything that people would want to see on only fans, but the, those kind of stunt prompted all these users to ask for their money back. And then that in turn prompted only fans to, they, um, change their payout structure to once a month, um, their max up charged to $50 a post and they cap their tips at $100. Bear with me. I don't really know the kind of like only fans, whatever, inside structure, but, um,

Well, I would also like to know kind of the distribution of, um, of income on only fans. Like I do think there probably is kind of an elite user group who this would affect more than like the average amount of money a girl is making on only fans, like 300. $100. You know? Yeah. That this is my thing. It's like, I, I can't imagine that this affected the vast majority of girls on only fans who

probably already make $50 or under on tips per post anyway. I doubt they're getting 200 or more. You know what I mean? Like I think it's, it probably is like the elite. It's like a bell curve. Right. There's like the vast majority or there's a middle class of only fans that like this isn't like, that's who is complaining that only fans was like taking money away from

them as if simps are like a finite resource, which I don't even think they are. They're not. No, absolutely. And I mean, it's if there's all this cognitive dissonance with like sex worker discourse because they, they're usually libertarians, they operate in a free market, um, but then they like take on these kind of like aesthetic lefty pretensions and then they start talking about like sex work as labor and then all of this, then like, and then only, then we get ourselves into a situation where only fans girls are just being called sex workers

when that's completely debatable. I had this whole fucking thing built up, but then like Paul Kupo really, yeah, he really broke it down. Yeah. Um, he made a great point that sex work is illegal. Only fans is literally, so you're larping a platform that, um, pushes like non-criminal nudes. Yeah.

That you could also, by the way, post on Twitter or Instagram within reason, but this is a specific, it's not really a sex work platform. It's a tech company platform where people interact with other people that they are maybe horny for or excited about, but it's not explicitly like, I think most people use it for this kind of sexual angle, but that's not the sole purpose of its existence. Patreon. Yeah. Is it and it became like, it's like, it's like that.

Yeah. And it's like, here's my thing. Like again, how many people were making anywhere close to Bella Thorne money before she hopped on the platform or got involved? Yeah. And then how, so therefore how many of them are actually affected or would suffer? The only thing I can imagine that would cause people to kind of suffer seriously is the change to the payout structure.

Like if it was like, weekly, before and now it's monthly and people like rely on it to help with bills and expenses, but that's hardly Bella Thorne's fault. Yeah. It seems like a very convenient. But like also the other thing is like BPD skin classic BPD scapegoat situation. She's the fucking Bernie made off of sex work of sex work instead of blaming her, people should really be blaming the only fans. Like don't, don't blame the hooker, blame the Pimp as Paul said, I don't think he said

hooker, but yeah, like was she kind of an asshole for opportunity, opportunistically exploiting this platform? Yeah, maybe, but whatever it's like, what do you think? I don't write that for as much as anyone else's, I don't think, yeah, but like these platforms incentivize precisely the sort of behavior, of course. They're like, and wouldn't normalizing sex work as they like purport to want to do include like it becoming normalized by celebrities like Bella Thorne. Yeah.

I mean, that's the thing. It's like all these people talk a big game about how only fans normalizes sex work. What do these people think normalizing sex work means, it means more normies get in on the action. Remember when she went to Cannes with Scott Disick? No. It was like three or four years ago. They both have great nose jobs.

She briefly dated Scott Disick and they went to Cannes together and then she left and tweeted, yo, this Cannes fancy life isn't for me. And then posted on Snapchat, buy Cannes, you were boring. I mean, I believe that. Yeah, I believe she didn't have fun at Cannes. But yeah, this is like basic economics. The supply goes up, wages goes down, like also normalizing sex work implies that conventionally attractive people and or people with built-in followings will do better on the platform.

Of course, like this is what I think when when people when sex workers are like only I think Bella Thorne is insanely hot. Yeah, she is. I think she's a little she's definitely has BPD vibe and a very off-putting energy, but she's really hot. I agree. She's beautiful. A dime.

I love to look at her. Perfect 10. Fantastic upper body. She has a nose job, right? But are her tits fake? No. I don't know. I can't tell.

I mean, I think they were probably nice before. And maybe she's had some augmentation, but she's still pretty. I mean, she's really cute. Pretty naturally hot. And yeah, she does have a little nose. She looks a little bit like Ashley Simpson in Facetune or something. But like also, yeah, it's of course like people who are already celebs or people who are already conventionally hot do better on these platforms with the important caveat that there's always

like fetishists on sex and porn sites who like whatever is the most grotesque and like untouchable and disgusting. That's the most grotesque and the most conventionally hot. Yeah, totally. But there's more novelty in watching like a formerly wholesome Disney starlet debase herself than an already debased random stranger debase herself. Of course. I mean, Bella Thorne's been debased for a long time.

Like I said, she had like a fabbling situation where we already seen her like puffy nipples and stuff. Okay. So there are new, she should have just released that again, that would have been the real troll. I know. But again, I want to know the breakdown of how many men versus how many women subscribe to her page or whatever.

And also, I think a lot of men who are horny for Bella Thorne don't really know her backstory and don't know that she's like, I think a lot of, yeah, that's interesting. A lot of people don't know who Bella Thorne is. Yeah. Or they know that she's a Disney celebrity, but they don't know that she's like a crazy BPD, fappening, like chaotic hoa. Right. Hoa.

Yeah. Yeah. They haven't seen the pictures of her in her raver boots. Yeah. But it's like, you know, only fans is like literally like the Uber of sex work. That's the model. And this was, anyone could have foreseen this happening with platform capitalism. It was like a natural kind of progression, right?

You rent out your car to make it a taxi and you rent out your house to make it like a bed and breakfast. You rent out your pussy. Just kidding. They're not even renting out their pussies. I mean, seeking arrangements is kind of a better... Yeah. But nobody talks about seeking arrangements.

Well, yeah, because seeking arrangements is like more gray area, criminal. Yeah. They're not trying to like blow up their spot with celeb, so it wouldn't make sense to have celebs on actual sex, sex work type of platforms. Like I think that's inevitable and in the cards, I think there's going to come a point when a fallen celeb like on the Bella Thorne level really seriously does porn or engages in actual sex work and that'll really like bottom out the industry and will be a really dark moment for pop culture in general.

I think that's like, you know... Well, Farah Abraham of Teen Mom fame, another kind of big BPD energy star. She made a sex tape with porn star James Dean. She made like a pornographic film and then pushed it as a sex tape when it was clearly like a produced sex video. Have you seen what she looks like now? I just saw her like Instagram account and I was like, Jesus. Well, we were listening to her hit single, Blowing at the photo shoot.

Oh, right. You may have heard. Yeah. The song showed up blowing all the bullies away. So weird. Yeah. I don't know. It's talking about Farah Abraham.

She's nuts. I've actually never listened to her album through and through, but like, yeah, I mean, okay, like only fans Uber, Yelp, what else is there, Caviar, all of these fucking little Neolib app businesses, they just, they, their whole model is like skimming profits off of people who they have no legal obligation to. Yeah. It's like really the most disgusting and nefarious sort of industry. And I was thinking about like, the other thing I was thinking about, like anybody who would

come up with this sort of business model, not only as a profound contempt for women, but for people in general, the guy who started this company is a real piece of shit. For sure. And they actively recruit like girls about to turn 18. Yeah. That's only fans. Yeah. It's a, I feel bad that I subscribed to, I thought it crossed my mind for a second.

I was like, I shouldn't be supporting this business. And I was like, but I'd like to see Bella Thorne's going to show her this. Um, of course she doesn't, of course, there's no, yeah, she'll never show whole. No. I mean, she might, if she falls, if she goes low enough, she's not going to show whole. She, Farah, I think people would be less mad if she showed whole. Farah Abraham showed full whole. And what's the other one?

Amanda Bynes. They have that same kind of BPD. Amanda Bynes is deeper, like schizophrenic. In the whole. Yeah. I think. Yeah. Maybe she's more cluster A. Farah and Bella are clustered B. No.

But that's like also like dad giveaway of childhood, sexual trauma, any sort of facial piercings. Yeah. Totally. I mean, Nickelodeon. Yeah. Oh, I bet their board of directors are staffed with pedophiles. Of course.

So dark. Yeah. And she fully went insane. Yeah. Um, I heard she spray. I read in us, I remember when the Amanda Bynes stuff was transpiring, I was like waiting for like in touch mag to come out because I wanted to read the story. And um, obviously most of that stuff is like hearsay, but I, in the entire article, they

said that she spray painted her apartment windows black and would just do bombs all day. Oh, and there is also, but I think she's went to the FIT or something after and she's kind of doing better now. I think she got her, she's on lithium or something. There was, okay, there was also this guy who tweeted about, he's like some associate of Bella Thorne who's a filmmaker who was involved in like the Florida project and this sort of thing.

Sean Baker. Yeah. And he, I'm going to look him up because he has the most nauseating tweet where he was like distancing himself from, yeah, Sean Baker from her allegedly he was, they were producing a documentary that she said she was doing. Yeah. And that part is clearly fake. I would like to make it clear that the news of me making a film documentary or fiction

narrative about only fans and using Bella Thorne as research is false. Not attached to this project. I'm actually in development on two features that I've put years of research and love into and neither of those films have anything to do with Mrs. Thorne or only fans. Earlier this month, I had a conversation with Ms. Thorne and discussed a possible collaboration in the far future that would focus on her life and the circumstances to her leading to her joining only fans. Sounds like you're contracting a project to me and formally on that call, I advised

her team to consult with sex workers and address the way she went about this as to not hurt the sex work industry. Yeah. This has been the extent of my involvement. Fuck you. I'm an ally and have literally devoted my career to tell stories that remove stigma and normalized lifestyles that are under attack. I would never do anything that could possibly hurt the community, so please know that this

news is not correct. Thank you. I'm an ally. I'm a sex worker. I'm a sex worker. I've been doing sex work. When I first moved to LA when I was like 23, I was really broke. I joined this upside called what'syourprice.com where people paid you money, but it was like

so random, but the model was like, people, guys could pay you money for unspecified. Your price referred to any, like you basically were talking about having sex for money. I imagined some girls were, but it's sort of, it was so murky that you could kind of exploit it. I went on like two dates for like $100, a piece or split, each guy paid me. I met this autistic florist who drove out from like Vallejo. They're like, I'll give you $100 if you wrap your naked body in an SS flag. I went to Starbucks with him and then he gave me an envelope with $100 and then I like left

and that's so bleak. That's more of, that feels like more sex work than only fans honestly. Well, yeah, it's on the precipice of sex work, you know, yeah. I remember like when I first moved to the city, I used to hang out with this crazy bisexual Indian girl who like had, it was like an escort or something. I remember going to a restaurant with her and this guy pulled out an envelope, like a wad of cash and gave it to her and he's like, do you want four or $500? And I was like, no.

Even then I was like, this is like too much. Some guys will give you money for a long time before expecting anything. Anything, yeah. I mean, roommate Leia has a story like this and that's actually quite touching and tragic and would actually be the product of, or the set of make a good subject for like an indie film. Like a kind of a pink-haired manic pixie dream girl and like, you know, a 70-year-old man.

He was old. Wow. That's very, that sounds very touching. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I imagine the guy kind of looking like Richard Gere, but now his asshole ravaged by gerbils in various other rodents.

It's crazy that that was a rumor going around about Richard Gere. Yeah. Gerbils. Yeah. No, it's crazy. But anyway, I'm not interested in stealing sex work or valor. I'm just saying there's a lot of things that I wouldn't consider to be sex work, but that are more sex work than only fans.

Yeah. But like everything in our culture now, you have this kind of class of elite middle class people who are stealing valor and are larping as something that they're not and they want to co-brand themselves again with the grit and glamour and edginess of real sex work. Or looting, for example. Yeah. Like the offensive looting. Yeah.

But they have no skin in the game. It's easy for them to be like, I'm a sex worker. And like this guy who's an ally, and this is like also like classic liberal myth-making, like if we can just remove the stigma from being a sex worker or being trans or being fat or being gay, life will be great and easy for everyone. If we can just remove the stigma from being poor, we can continue to allow vast swaths of people to live in poverty, but we can celebrate it like, yes, queen. We can exploit them for our indie films.

Yeah. And it's like, no, certain things should have a stigma around them because they're bad, such as doing sex work, which is horrible and depressing and like no type of work for a woman to do. It's corrosive to the soul and being poor, which sucks. I mean, the reality is some people have to do that. Sex work, it's the oldest profession, and I think that we should, yeah, respect it enough to stigmatize it, to keep it transgressive and taboo, which is where it's like source

of power and meaning kind of comes from archetypally anyway. I don't want to normalize sex work precisely because I like respected enough. Yeah. I mean, in certain Western European countries where sex work is more or less legal and they have medical protections. I don't think it should be criminalized. I think there's lots of, you know, yeah. Yeah, but it's pretty mundane and depressing.

It's a bunch of Eastern European women who were trafficked on over, but who have good healthcare, like, no, I mean, the majority of, there's also all this conflation with sex trafficking and sex work, and it's like, the reality is when you normalize sex work, you're also normalizing sex trafficking because it gets very murky, pedophilia, and all sorts of weird, fucked up, like, externalities. The reality is, I mean, in like Southeast Asia performed by slaves, like, yeah, you don't want any part of that. You're like, you nice middle class girl, you know, normalize that, yeah, and it's like

normalize people living in such property that they, I saw like a crazy tweet that I regret like not bookmarking. Some woman was like, Bella Thorne is waging an assault on a traditionally working class medium. Like, what's a working class about fucking only fans or like YouTube or Patreon? I mean, like, it's funny, like how the most online and most vocal sex workers are always going on about how it's empowering because they're businesswomen, but for businesswomen, they sure don't understand how fucking business works under like in a capitalist, like hyper

capitalist, brutally capitalist society. And like, I don't know, I know people are going to get mad and be like, Oh, you hate women and your pick me or whatever, but like the people who glamorize sex work are young middle class women who don't understand the horrors of being actually sex trafficked and are too spoiled and lazy to get a real job very often. I'm sorry. There I said it, like, okay, yeah. I mean, I'm sorry, but like, why would you want to do that kind of work?

It's not, it's okay. It's not corrosive for everyone. I think there are people who are suited to being pros, you know, high class escorts should be paid, you know, yeah, but they're discreet. Nobody hears about them. Exactly. They're not like waging. They're not pretending to be leftists, first of all, they're actually smart.

They're like sucking and fucking finance guys and like creating like a nest egg for themselves. Yeah, but there's just, you know, a friend of mine was telling me about like the kind of the barred campus in Berlin and how like every girl he knows is like a sex worker then there and like supporting herself through sex work and it's like, okay, and they're all Americans like mommy and daddy pay your rent and your tuition. Well I think with those girls, it's not even. Yeah, maybe they're perpetuating a kind of glamorization of it, but it's actually really sad because they're like 18.

They like think it's okay to show whole and then all those images will like haunt them. I know. Like, I mean, so many people regret doing pornography that I feel like, I mean, if we're trying to raise the age of consent to fucking 25, if there's all these like mismanagements of power happening in people's personal lives and how is only fans an ethical model at all for like preying on literal teenagers and like precarious labor forces. Yeah. No, I mean, there's something.

Yeah, post COVID only fans like exploded exploded because all these people lost their jobs. That's insane. Yeah, it's not a good sign culturally or economically. And I think that there's this kind of, you know, a stray male friend of mine said this in conversation the other day that like, I think women kind of delusionally and self-flatteringly think that men's sexual arousal is a function of their own sexual power as loosely correlated to their physical attractiveness.

But men will like literally get a boner from staring at Land O'Lake's packaging. It's not a referendum on your beauty or sexual charisma, you know what I mean? And I think a lot of women find it empowering to be like objectified by men from a distance. And to me, real sex work is when you have to suck the dicks of a bunch of guys who you find physically and morally repugnant for money because you have no other choice. I mean, that's that's like a good working definition for sure. Yeah. I think that's more much more useful than having an umbrella category for like girl selling

feet pics. Yeah. Or doing like fin doming or even escorting. Yeah. I mean, how many people are actually even doing escorting now? I mean, I'm sure the industry is alive and well, like kind of on a black mark. It's already a black market. Hostessing is a kind of escorting.

You're like someone's paying you for your company to be their date, basically. Yeah. And then often that becomes sex work. And that's like more kind of up to the discretion of the escort. Escorts have more kind of agency, at least in like Japanese, Korean, like hostessing style models, you know, it's like, it's a part of their culture that goes back to like ancient times. Gages were like escorts, they were like trained in the art of like conversation and entertaining

you and stuff. Yeah. Yeah. Kind of like podcast. Yeah. They were like experts at pouring tea just so like elegantly. You paid them for like their charms. Yes.

Yeah. And when I was hostessing in Koreatown, I like, I didn't find it empowering per se, but it felt like labor that I was like compensated for fairly, you know, like I was like, wow, I was like, wow, this is great. I mean, we were money doing this in Waitress thing. Yeah. It's, I kind of have agency about how I do it and it's like worth it to just like get drunk in a karaoke because I'm good at doing it because I'm good at partying and being

like fun and Korean businessmen are good at sex and public speaking Korean businessmen are good at like making money, but not that good at partying. Yeah. They teach them how to party, exactly, you like team up and they pay you to like sing Wonderwall and do shots and then yeah, they don't want to have sex with you. That's the whole point. Like they don't want to, they're not paying for a prostitute. They like are paying for, they're paying for contemporary American gay shots.

It's also like a weird parasocial kind of thing. Exactly. I can't stress how much of this is like parasocial. I think this is like a weird kind of like people scrambling to encounter like intimacy and humanity and validation and flattery. Like my friend also made this point that he was like, you know, this is extremely obvious, but nobody ever makes it like women strongly desire to be viewed as hot. Yeah.

And being a sex worker is being a sex worker in bold quotes, not an actual prostitute or anything or even a stripper is appealing because if you can do it, if you can pull it off and make money, it's kind of irrefutable third party proof of the fact that you're hot. That was his point, which is like a point that I've always kind of secretly thought about. But again, I can't, I feel now very like, no, I feel very anxious saying these kind of things because people interpret them the wrong way and I don't mean them in some like nastier competitive way.

I mean them coming from a universal understanding of how women, like female psychology works. Like I'm a woman, you're a woman. We know how we think. I want to be hot. Yeah. Of course. Every woman wants to be hot and like it feels unavoidable and unflattering, but I think actually this is one of those things that it's good to destigmatize and to dispel the

shame around because I think it'll help the kind of communal discourse advance. But a lot of this, when I'm being like bratty and saying, oh, these women are spoiled and lazy, they, they are on some level. And I get it. I intimately understand. Like I'm a podcaster, right? I'm not trying to work at a bank or like literally spoiled and I'm not trying to go into STEM.

Yeah. Like, right. We're not, you're not like, pull up by your bootstrapping. Yeah. We're basically sex workers minus the sex and the work. That's literally what we do. Yeah. Well, the only thing I hate more than sex is work.

Yeah. We're like geisha girls. We entertain, parasocially entertain people for money. And like. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for the tips. But I think a lot of this is like a product of atomization and loneliness too.

Well, for sure. Yeah. Definitely. Like every woman actually at the end of the day deserves. Friendship simulator. Yeah. Sorry. I have to preface this.

Every heterosexual woman deserves to be loved by a man who makes her feel kind of like safe. No. Every woman. Every woman. Every lesbian, then you deserve to be loved by another woman, whatever, whatever your thing is. People deserve love and dignity.

Yeah. Yeah. And that's like, there's such a short supply of that. I mean, it's like depressing to witness. I know it's really sad. I'm really curious also what the male client base of Onlyfans is like, what that looks like. Who subscribes.

Yeah. I wonder. I mean, there's lots of gay guys, obviously. Yeah. Yeah. And that's another thing nobody talks about because sex work is so built in to gay social structures. Right.

Yeah. I don't see a lot of gay guys mad at Bella Thorne. Gay guys are mad at Bella Thorne. I don't see a lot of like, and when I, a lot of Onlyfans content creators are probably gay guys. Yeah. And they're conspicuously kind of absent from the Bella Thorne hysteria. Yeah.

I mean, I know more gay guys with sugar daddies than I know girls with sugar daddies. Yeah. Like that's just like a thing. In the gay community, wanting to be hot isn't stigmatized. No. It's kind of really, I mean, they're like fitness cult, they're like plastic surgery cult. Respect.

Yeah. I was talking to like a gay guy the other day who had like really big pouty lips and he was complaining about how he wanted to get lip injections and I was like, are you crazy? Like you don't need lip injections. And it's like so like, it's so insane because this is like off topic, but I've been noticing that the people who get lip injections have big lips already. Yeah.

Like it's not even people like bringing like bumping themselves up to whatever. Normal. Yeah. It's literally like people making themselves look like a grotesque like Angelina Jolie, prolapsed baboon anus. Right. I don't know. It's weird, man.

I guess. Yeah. It's interesting. Yeah. It's usually people who's like lips are already a really nice feature of their is. Yeah. It's weird. And I follow all these like Russian beauty Instagrams and it's like Russian girls with

like those Slavic, like Guba Shlop, like Putin fish lips, like getting even bigger lips. Like why would you do that? Like there's other countless other parts of your body that you should choose to focus on. Right. I don't know. I don't know.

I'm just going to let the toilet flush as ASMR. Sorry, I was just looking at on Twitter at that image of Adele with a Bantu knot. Oh, yeah. Or she looks like Rachel Dole as all I feel so bad for Adele because she was just trying to show her body progress and like got this whole cultural appropriation scandal. I mean, she looks psycho. Yeah. Like seriously nuts.

Okay. So what are we talking about Uber looting? We can talk about the looting in defensive looting. Oh yeah. That was an NPR article. Well, it's an interview of a woman who wrote a book called on defensive looting. Yeah. I feel like NPR wasn't defending looting.

Yeah. They were interviewing pandering to their kind of this broad who wrote a book. It's like one of these Verso style academic books. Yeah. And it was like this, it was like a notorious clip in it that was like vastly shared about who she talks about how defending small businesses is a Republican myth that has trickled down into the left. Yeah.

It's another classic kind of academic. It's a lot like only, it's like only fans, girls chiming in on sex work. It's like academic white academics chiming in on looting and riding is political praxis. Yeah. When they're not affected by it or have any real skin in the game, they're kind of talking in those very loose abstracts in defense of something you can defend anything. From a distance, if you don't have firsthand experience, if you're not like a Somalian or Ethiopian guy who's like a discount clothing store was burned to the ground by white guys

calling you the n-word. You saw that iced tea tweet. Yeah. What did he say? Oh, he, yeah. Now they're saying there's a race for Portland where there's 20 black people. I mean, he's right. Like I was thinking like, you know, it was reading up on these sports riots where like

that we were going to talk about, I mean, we can, there's really nothing to say. Sport strikes. Sport strikes. Yeah. And I was thinking like, well, sports, but like, you know, they were supposed to go on this industry wide sports strike because the Milwaukee Bucks refused to play one of their playoff games and it had a trickle down effect into like the WNBA and HL. Yeah.

And it's like, first of all, nobody cares about the WNBA, they can cease to exist tomorrow and they don't have to go on strike, but like, no, they're WNBA striking, but it was like LeBron and Kawhi and all like the top players in the league. And then they like allegedly had like a private meeting with Obama and he told them to play. It's like the sun. It feels like spotlight, but with black guys, like they have to make that movie. But unfortunately Chadwick Boseman is dead RIP because he would have been a great actor up in there.

Um, but this is like precipitated by the shooting of Jacob Blake or whatever. And I was like, well, what are they striking for? It's like what they want more social justice programming in the advertisements and they want their stadiums to be used as voting centers. I mean, well, it's so misguided. I mean, these guys are really earnest, I think. I don't think it's, I think they don't want to play in the bubble. Yeah.

And I think no one really likes the NBA bubble. I think like, like the COVID dome. Yeah. Yeah. Like the games aren't as fun to watch in a kind of empty stadium with like holographic people in shallow bleachers. Like it's not, and I don't think they like the stakes probably don't feel as high for them, especially if they're not like already winning.

Yeah. So if you're not like, if you're going to lose the playoffs anyway, then I could see why you wouldn't want to play in the bubble anymore. You just want to go home. Yeah. And not to like, but I think it's powerful for, as like a strike for players to show like solidarity with one another. Cause it like.

Yeah. And, and like with black people in general and like, I think, I think like. And it's potentially, you know, there's never going to be a general strike in America. No. You don't have any unions, but yeah. Or any solidarity. To see workers. Or any concept of pluralism.

Yeah. Anything. It is inspiring to see like workers really have leverage, like NBA players and to be like, oh, we're, you know, all workers could have leverage if they had solidarity with one another. Yeah. If they can lead by example. You have nothing to lose.

But your job, but these guys won't ever lose their jobs because they're like millionaires. Yeah. But it's like, you know, okay. Like, but if all workers everywhere stood in solidarity with one another, then things could really start to change. Yeah. Even the NBA players can't even do it because fucking scab Obama told him to go back to fucking work.

He was like, get that money, black man. But like I, okay, like LeBron James seems like a totally well-meaning and earnest and well-intentioned individual. I think like he has no like weird cynical or careerist motives and he's a guy who's given a lot of money away and the sort of thing. But you know, they're, they're striking for what like a media approved academic narrative. That's not the whole story, you know, it's like also I, there's this like one of the most persistent American myths too is that rich whites are aligned with poor whites and

rich blacks are aligned with poor blacks because they have some tribal affinity that transcends their class interests. And this is like not fully true at all. It's like, first of all, these categories are way too big and bloated to support this thesis. Like what does black and white mean in America? Like taking the kind of white example, a New York Jew has nothing in common with like a New England wasp or like a kind of Midwestern rural person just because they have white

skin. And in fact, their interests are often totally in conflict. Right. And like, you know, I said this before and I'm sorry to get autistic and I'll say it again though. It's like, okay, as the elite overproduction choo-choo trains along seeking out new inroads for its status games and elimination competitions, there will become, there will be a reckoning between African American descendants of slaves and newly arrived African immigrants because

their interests are orthogonal to one another. Like they're not, you know, right. It's really kind of difficult thing. We live in a very multicultural, volatile society. Even the way people use African American and black interchangeably. Yeah. That's true. That's a good point.

Just reveals like a misunderstood, like African American does just mean black to people. I don't even think they think about what those words paired together means. Yeah. And there's a lot of like elite African people who are kind of aligning themselves with poor black people who they don't really care about the end of the day for like, there's a lot of elites doing white and black doing shit for clout. Like who's profiting off of BLM at the moment. I mean, it's not poor black people.

It's a multiracial, multi-ethnic coalition of elites who depend on the ongoing rage and pain of four black people for their momentum. So they can write a book called In Defense of Lude. Yeah. Yeah. It's people like Vicki Osterweil. It's just so Vicki Osterweil and her book. It's so annoying because it's like the position that it just kind of stokes kind of conservative

ire, you know, to be like, look at what NPR is promoting this like insane book that's pro violence. Yeah. Like they're just like taking the bait and her whole argument is like based on this kind of conservative, yeah, right, Republican myth, straw man, so totally like talking about a reality that doesn't really exist. Yeah. And so then they're just like spinning their wheels and that's like the looting discourse

when really there's no need to defend looting because it's just a symptom of something that's happening in a really broken, like profoundly broken system. Because there's no need to either condemn nor defend it. It's just like you have to examine why it's happening. Yeah. And understand why. I mean, I think it is like more condemnable than defensible in practice because like we saw what it's yielded, which is the destruction of small, often minority owned businesses.

Vicki makes the point in her book that in the LA riots. There was like a Asian immigrant or something who owned a store in which like a 15 year old black girl was killed or something, but it's, yeah, it's like cherry picking these, you know, what argument is Vicki really making, you know, like how does that, it's just, it's very incoherent. Yeah. But it is cherry picking and narrative building, which is what I object to, right? And also, you know, it's, it's people like Vicki Oster while it's the ad wizards behind

that Uber billboard that says if you tolerate racism, delete your Uber, it's all these designers on, on Instagram, like I noticed, I'm sure you've noticed like once the infographics and my sister who works in like the creative tech industry was like, Oh yeah, these are just people patting their CVs and resumes and making creative decks for professional consideration using kind of this language of anti-racism because it's hip right now. Yeah. They can be like, look at this PDF. I mean, educating people about why they have to post online or their races.

Yeah. Check out my Instagram carousel. Well, why silence is violence, you know, it's like that kind of thing. And it's, it's monstrous and their idea, like again, their interests are totally counterpoised to the, the interest of those people that they claim to want to help their idea of lifting those people out of poverty and oppression is teaching a select few of the brightest ones to code. That's really what it is.

And it's like also like thirdly, this really preposterous idea that society can be filtered into racist and anti-racist elements, like another liberal myth to justify status sorting, like even more preposterous is the idea that you can have like an online heuristic to determine who's racist and not like that tweet that was floating around where that student was denouncing the professor for not having a black enough syllabus of this kind of shit. Like calling people racist today is like what calling people communist was during the McCarthy era. It's like, yeah, I know, that's all it is racist or like predators or like, look what

happened to Alex Morris, yeah, which like they admitted right that it was basically a scheme. They were exposed. Yeah. Yeah. They were completely like revealed to be like fucking total political, obviously young Democrat society snakes. Yeah.

Who were trying to like a young Democrat. I don't know. It's a person I don't want to fucking meet. I'd rather be a sex worker than a young Democrat. God. And I actually understand like the, with regard to the sports strike, I understand kind of appreciate the argument that we should make it easier for black people to vote. Of course.

For sure. But I think especially it's important to vote for like local officials and to vote in local elections. But the choice between like Trump and Biden, I mean, this preposterous, of course, a Biden has been hands down worse for black people than Trump and Trump has not been good for black people. Right. Like Kamala Harris, like together they are like a walking advertisement for the carceral

state. Are you kidding? Here's, um, I got the sample of indefensive looting on iBooks. It was 16.99 and I was damn, you've paid $16 twice. I didn't. I just got the sample. Okay. So I only got the first like 20 or so pages, but that's, I've seen enough.

She makes this bizarre kind of very academia argument about how, um, I'll read it. Homo sapiens are quite unlucky evolutionarily and almost all mammals pregnancy and birth are safe and simple processes. Just eating mother is basically never dying childbirth. Indeed if there are insufficient resources or the gestators unable to care for a baby at that moment for some reason, the fetus can be easily aborted. But in humans, birth is a violent and dangerous life threatening to both gestator and fetus. With that understanding in mind, we can begin to analyze riots as births.

What? As a mode of struggle, riots are marked by many characteristics traditionally defined as feminine, not driven by rational argument, argumentation or proper political dialogue. They are instead driven by desire, affect, rage and pain. They are disordered, emotional and chaotic. Importantly too, riots struggle within the sphere of social reproduction. Everything makes day to day life easier by changing the price of goods to zero, relieves pressure by spreading wealth within the community and reinforces bonds of solidarity, blah,

blah, blah, blah, blah. It literally doesn't do any of those things. It gets people like immediate supplies and gratification, but there's no redistribution of wealth. What? No. Like it's insane. This person has no idea like, yeah, has never experienced a riot.

I know. I know, but that's what happens. Like these people like speak without any experience and when it actually comes to their neighborhood, they freak out and call the cops. Does she even have a selfie with a burning trap? I don't fucking think so. Um, but I mean, it's like crazy, like, I don't understand, I don't, I can't for the life of me, like wrap my head around how any of the stuff like happening in Portland or

Kenosha is good for anybody. It's not. Right. I think if anything, like my feeling about it is that it's at this point, like nobody wants to put an end to it because it would be electorally unwise, right? And I think, or even acknowledge that, you know, police and site riots to justify brutality. Yeah. Yeah.

I think everybody in sites rights. I mean, I think like, you know, the antifa needs to provoke violent encounters with kind of like, as somebody else put it down, scale or down market, like poor whites, um, so that they can legitimize these kind of academic narratives that are then, um, kind of, uh, promoted in media, these fictions that we live in a uniquely, unprecedentedly, unrepentantly racist society, which we don't, we don't. Um, I think that there's racism in our society. I think there's even, you can argue, structural racism, but to say that this society is built

uniquely and solely on racism is just so insulting to everybody involved. Well, there's undeniably structural racism. Yeah. It's just that, um, oftentimes people take issue with like the individual as a racist. Yeah. And, but I think like, you know, if you want to really having more anti-racist, isn't going to fix a racist structure. No, it's not having more social justice programming and advertising is not going to help anything.

You have to lift people in mass out of poverty to mitigate these things. Um, and like, you know, as Tracy put it, well. The other day BLM sure seems to be a lot of white people clashing with other white people in the streets. I mean, looks that way. Yeah. And I, you know, I, I hate to beat a dead horse, but the DSA and the Antifa types are foot soldiers of the DNC period.

And I think the DNC, like the Democrats bet on the wrong horse because I think they thought that, um, uh, encouraging, promoting these riots and protests would lead Trump to lose that would lead him to do something foolhardy or premature and make him look like an ass. I think this is all like on both sides, like an electoral gambit. That's like what it feels like. And, uh, you know, it's totally conceivable that whoever comes to power Biden or Trump will put this action or these actions down immediately once they come to power. Right.

Like nobody wants to do anything stupid right now. Yeah. I was going to be out there with like a fucking police hose, but like, yeah, I mean, like I was telling you earlier, like I went down this like autistic wormhole about this Kyle Rittenhouse kid who shot three people, killed two of them in Kenosha and like, you know, he like is the perfect victim for the right and the perfect villain for the left. It's all narrative building like, you know, and originally, because I'm so brainwashed too, I assume that he had shot like I told you black people, but he shot three white

guys and now he's being billed as a white supremacist. And like what he did by the way is totally morally reprehensible, right? And unjustifiable. He's 17. His mind is not developed well enough to make decisions. Yeah. That's just, that's science. And like, you know, you have the right being like framing him as like a Marvel style vigilante

martyr, like a white, black panther, you know, RIP Chadwick Boseman who was out there like just minding his own business. No, that's what they, they want to see him as like, minding his business, cleaning up the streets and they'll eagerly dwell on the fact that not one, but all three of the guys that he blasted were convicted felons, like one of them was a pedophile, the other one was a wife beater, the last one was a burglar allegedly, though he certainly has a misdemeanor. Well, he shouldn't have known. Yeah.

Of course. I'm like, how did, well, he knew that in advance. He clocked these guys and he was like, oh yeah, those guys are felons, I'm going to take them out. I'm going to uphold the law. Why did he have a gun? Well, yeah. And his mother also drove him to this protest.

With his gun? With a gun. Come on. You're like what, but also that said, what are the odds that you blast three random dudes on the street and they're all convicted felons, that they all have rap sheets only in America, like straight up and like, well, why, because who, who's attracted to these protests and riots, anti-social people who want to see cities and buildings burn? The Joker.

Yeah. It really is. No, it's funny because when you remember, you were like, a bunch of Joker on Joker about it. Yeah, it is. Yeah. Um, they should let Joe Carr out of prison and COVID-19. Yeah.

Cuckoo 19. Well, it's funny. It's a real epidemic. It's men's alone. It is. Yeah. And it's Joker on Joker crime. Um, yeah.

And it's like, but anyway, but both sides, the right and the left, they make valid points. I know people are like, Annie, you're a contrarian, you're, you're echoing right-wing talking points. It's like, yeah, because the right wing makes valid points a lot and so does the left, by the way, but they marshal these points to suit their gross opportunistic narratives. Both sides. It's true. I don't fuck with narrative building.

It's all disgusting. I don't want to be like a fly caught in the sandpaper of ideology. And I mean, I had this really bad feeling when like the Karen phenomenon started, when people started, um, circulating like videos of injustices and microaggressions. Was it like white women led injustice? Well, it was like, I was like, this, at this point, we'd all been like observing quarantine and I was like, wow, so no one's up their homes. Yeah.

And I'm like, these videos are just being presented as like what's happening outside in reality and it can be completely manipulated and curated and like self-selected even to affirm people's own worldviews. It's like accelerated hypernormalization really. It's like everything's just becoming more and more myopic and more distorted and more like easily manipulated, especially if people are literally can't leave their homes. Yeah. And we're all susceptible.

And we just are watching videos of horrible violence on our phones all day. Yeah. That are cherry-picked and like targeted to appeal to it's whatever, like they beam me some shit about. Zari's killing her. Minions. But it might as well be anything, you know, they beam you like some Bella Russian girls getting like police hosed or like beaten with sticks.

Like it's like totally that and like, I don't know. You know, it goes without saying that both left and right are horribly myopic and blinkered. The only thing to keep in mind is that the left wing narrative is the hegemonic mainstream one now to the point where they won't even report in the backgrounds of these two men that he killed, except for in glowing generalities that they were like heroes in the community, etc. Which I don't think that your past criminal history, of course, should be a measure of in the street or a teen or a cop or you know, one should be randomly dying outside at the

hands of vigilantes or other groups. Yeah. But you know, these people are coming together in this horrible situation. And I saw like this tweet, I'll wrap up my autistic to raid, but I saw a tweet from an elected congresswoman Ayanna Presley. She said that she calls Kyle Rittenhouse a white supremacist, direct domestic terrorist who drove across straight lines, and I was like, you know, like, let this sink in. This is an elected congresswoman stoking an unproven yet unfalsifiable racial narrative

to divide poor people along identitarian lines. This is why I'm deeply suspicious of AOC and the squad and their antics and acolytes, because they are deeply immoral, irresponsible people. Yeah. Like they're, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm right. It's not.

Unfortunately, you'll be vindicated. I will. Like this is, this is disgusting. You know, you can't even like, you know, they don't, our leadership, democratic leadership does not want to create a melting pot. They want to create some weird like Balkanized patchwork racial map where people clash. It's like a real nonlinear, yeah, ongoing race for Charles Manson wanted. Did he?

He says, yeah, he wanted an ongoing race for that was part of Halter Skelter. Have you seen this doc? Is it worth watching? There's a new doc, right? I haven't. Maybe we should watch it. Yeah, we could watch the Charlie Manson doc. I'm so sick of talking about politics.

I mean, it's just so redundant and exhausting to all sex workers in race war. We should assign all the anti-faboids a sex worker only fans, girlfriend, like Jordan Peterson style, solve the problem immediately, right? I saw lots of people posting pics of, um, what's his name, Kyle, written house, brown. No, he took a kettle bald smashed it into a cup. I've seen like this picture of him with like other kind of white teen shooters also pushing this like, um, in cell narrative because Kyle happens to be pear shame. Yeah.

And like five foot three or whatever, um, which is, yeah, almost like for knowledging for, for Twitter. Oh, yeah, I, there, yeah, people are like trying to compare him to like Dylan Roof who went into a black church and shot down parishioners, right? I guess. Oh, right. Cause he brought a gun to BLM protests, which like there's open arson and warfare going on in the street.

Like it's understandable why it's, you know, stupid, but understandable why somebody would want to bring a gun to protests like that, like when you're, especially if they're anti-social yeah, a young adventure seeker. Yeah. Yeah. Like horny confused, young, dumb, full of calm, whatever. Anyway, um, we have done like an hour 25. Oh yeah, that's not bad.

We can, we can, uh, anyway, um, if you want to read the 20 pages of indefensive looting, it's free on, on iBooks, um, that's all I can really speak to, but it really was pretty incoherent and annoying. I might read it as just for fun because it sounds like if you read it kind of ironically as a work of performance or it holds up like the whole like, uh, looting comes from the Hindu word loot and it's feminine in archaic, feminine, because it's chaotic, like God, you could make like a gendered fucking, you could write a gender theory paper about literally anything.

Yeah. God, that would be fun to try just like a fake, maybe like go to college again, my worst nightmare. I was watching that movie knock, knock with Keanu Reeves, the Eli Roth movie where the two hot girls like knock on his door and terrorize him. Whoa, I haven't seen that. You should watch it, but there's definitely a case to be made that's like in this film, Eli Roth is grappling with, um, chaotic, feminine, sexual, and, um, Gen X disappointment.

Is this new? It's from like 2015. It was like not a very popular, well-made film. Is Eli Roth any good? Um, I like hostile. I like hostile and I don't know if he did hostile too, actually, but, um, Biju Phillips is in that one and cabin fever is good. He's like fine.

He's, um, he's not pretentious. That's cool. He's, um, you know, kind of, he's into gore. Yeah. So that sounds fun. Yeah. Anyway. Well, see you in hell.

See you in hell. See you in Cape Cod. Bye.