Red Scare - Pick Me Princess

Episode Date: March 10, 2021

The ladies discuss Meghan Markle and Prince Harry's Oprah interview and Dr. Seuss and Pepe Le Pew getting canceled. Plus, Dasha reviews the new Dunkin' Donuts avocado toast.

Oh, yeah. Is it fine? It's recording. It's sounding better than ever. My next housekeeping project is to create like a special media console for our podcasting equipment, believe it or not, because I'm getting into. Are we going to move into one of the bedrooms as an office? We probably shouldn't. I like I kind of like the living room vibe. I like it too. Yeah, I don't need like an office. Yeah, I like some rugs up on these walls. Yeah. Really lean into the Soviet aesthetic. Yeah, exactly. That's cool. I look forward to that. Let me know if you need any help. I just know I mainly just want to organize this bag that's always like erupting with like wires and shit. It'd be nice if the mics weren't so dusty. We can take care of our

equipment a little better. That's nice. Yeah, that's true. Um, anyway, we're back. We're back. Happy Vaismava Matta belated. Yeah. Happy women's day to all the women. International women's day. Yeah. Does that feel like a significant day to you at all? No. Really? Does it feel like a significant day to you? Well, because Russians celebrate it. Yeah. And so my dad would always get me my mom flowers and stuff. Yeah, it's just like always a part of my life growing up and Dan got me flowers are very nice. That's really sweet. Yeah, it feels like a real kind of holiday to me. Yeah. More than like Mother's Day even. Yeah, definitely. It's like de facto Mother's Day, but more inclusive. Yeah. We have a stand by my assertion that Russians have a more

egalitarian and sensible approach to feminism than Americans do. Absolutely. Which is that they don't believe it exists. No, but like you get flowers once a year. Flowers once a year. Your grandma was a civil engineer. So was your grandpa on both sides. Yeah. I just had the avocado toast from Dunkin Donuts. Congratulations speaking of egalitarian gestures. $3.40. So avotos not just for the for the elites anymore now for the lump in underclass, but it tastes pretty good. You had a bite. Yeah. It's more of like a lemony hummus. Yes, like everything seasoning on it, which is brilliant. It's well calibrated. It tastes good. It's not too labor intensive for the Dunkin Donuts workers because I don't need them to be like whipping out a mortal and pestle

or whatever to grind my avo. I just want to like palatable snack to like absorb my iced black coffee and stuff. So just a smear of the avo to 40 cows. Not bad. Not bad. Like honestly, pretty, pretty nice. What else did you get? Some tater tots, some hash browns. Yeah. Do you want now I'm not going to eat on air? I'm going to spare people. Yeah, just juuling for me. So that's my review of the Dunkin Donuts avocado toast. It's adequate and functional for what it is. Yeah. Yeah. That ate up about a minute of time. Huh? That ate up about a minute of time. Yeah. Yeah. I would highly recommend if you're a Dunkin fan and you're already eating like the power sandwiches and the bowls and stuff, it's a great way to switch it up with the menu. Cool. That's good to know. I'm tired of

spending $17 on a hummus sandwich at one of the dimes adjacent establishments. Just kidding. I actually don't do that. I make my own breakfast. I get the breakfast burrito from dimes delivered to me. Sometimes even though I live very close, but it's in the morning, it's hard for me to like, I need to eat the breakfast burrito before I can go outside. So it's real like, yeah. I'm in a real pickle in the AM usually, but I didn't realize until I read that Ben Smith article in the New York Times that dimes referred to like a 10 out of 10, like being hot. What? No, but it doesn't. Leia Claire, she went to war with Ben Smith on Twitter. And I know he did not factually report that they were that it was owned by models. I thought that the still the etymology of the name

must have been somehow right. No, I mean, I think we have to set the record straight. Dimes was a word. Dimes Square was coined by Jamie Simone, if I'm not mistaken, right? I believe that is. Yes, we're going to fact check. I hope Ben Smith is listening to this episode. I spoke to him, I could have mentioned, but I was we had no idea. You had no idea that he would stand what he was asking me about really, you know? Yeah. What did he ask you? He asked me if I heard about Caitlin Phillips's party. And if I read Drunken Canal, which I hadn't, but I picked up an issue the other day and did was skim it. And I'm happy. Yeah, I'm happy. But then what I thought of them, what I thought of the lineage of like the podcast

into the new anti establishment, new media downtown New York kind of scene. And I was like, I don't really know. I mostly, you know, in the outer borough where my boyfriend lives, or I like to go to hotels and stuff. He asked me if I played Kendall's girlfriend on succession, which I disputed, but didn't give him any other intel. Right. So I don't know where he got, you know, his info. He also factually described Jeremy O'Harris as a Tony award winner, which is not true. Okay. Yeah, he had some fact checking problems. What interview was ambiguous. I guessed him where he lived and why he was so preoccupied with downtown. And he said, Brooklyn makes sense. This is the thing. It's like, you know, like those guys that stand outside of

establishments and ask you if you're Jewish. Are you Jewish? Yeah, they're boys usually boys. Yeah. A friend of mine who's Russian Jewish told me that the best way to cope with that line of questioning is to throw it back in their faces and be like, are you Jewish? So I think that journalists contact you in the future. You just have to like interview them instead. What do you think about downtown? I'm like, I was telling you, like all these journalists, like this guy emailed me, the guy from the Daily Beast emailed me. I just like am on that no comment tip because like what else are you going to say? Also, I don't know what drunken canal is. So maybe you can explain. It's a zine. It's a newspaper. Okay. It's slightly more elevated than a zine, but it is free

and has like a scrappy zoomer aesthetic kind of like a zine would. So it's a bunch of kids making a newspaper. That's cute. It's incredibly nice. Okay. Yeah. And okay, I approve of that for them. Yeah. I see some people calling them rich kids, blah, blah, blah, and why you grads. I don't care. It's well, both of those things are probably true, but that's okay. You know, skin off my back. Yeah. What are they're not hurting? Yeah, I agree. Having fun. They want to drink martinis at Lucien and distribute their, you know, their paper. That's, that's great. Okay. But I just what I don't understand is when did fact checking like not become a thing? I'm sorry. There was that. I don't want to mention the Daily Beast article because it's not worth it. Worth it.

And it's also beneath us. I didn't read it. The, the one point I would like to make is that it's much easier to think of these things as woke art rather than as serious journalism. And in that sense, they become really actually amusing. It's like that Jezebel hit piece that they're kind of transcendent, spinning their, their webs and fictions for our amusement. Yeah. Like I actually thought that that piece was like kind of like wild and entertaining and like it didn't really outrage or offend me even though it was like directly concerned with smearing us. No, the Jezebel piece. Like I'm proud of that piece. I think it's funny. Yeah. Much like the Ben Smith one, it read almost like a kind of glowing endorsement. Yeah. If you have the right attitude.

But like while I also did not read the full Daily Beast piece, I skimmed for my name and then was like, yeah. The other thing that stuck out at me was this kind of allegation that Nick Mullen went on Bill Maher and dropped the N word. That was part of the article. Okay. And I was just like, this is a phrenic fever dream, but this is so kind of like psychedelic and artistic. Yeah. But I mean, it is a total like abortion of fact checking completely. But in the app, like I think like violating the norms of fact checking actually spurs people to like great artistic feats. Yeah, liberates that. Yeah. Like I feel like this could all live in some kind of like museum archive years later and that museum archive will actually be in Ridgewood in the

tiny cubicle room that I lived in prior to starting this podcast that Ben Morris subsequently lived in. Does he live there now? No. So we can make fun of it openly. Cool. Yeah. Wow. It was like, it was both. It's a historical site. Yeah. It's like those American War of Independence sites or like civil war sites where it was like George Washington and his cavalry marched through here like Abraham Lincoln gave a historic speech at this point. Mount Vernon. Megan McCain was spinning her wheels about Mount Vernon on the view today, which I watched to get informed for the pod. Yeah. And I will later summarize the things that I saw on the view. Okay. One of which was yeah, Megan McCain like talking about how she hates the Royals because she's like a blue-blooded

American chick who named her daughter Liberty and would used to pretend that she was George Washington and she and her family go to Mount Vernon to like revel in the glory of like colonial America or whatever. And that Oprah and Megan Markle are just like another fixture in this tradition of like great Americans like fighting for freedom or something. It was a little convoluted. Yeah. And then whoopee hit her with the okay with the Adam Curtis. Okay. Yeah. And she's doing a lot of good work on the view. Honestly, she's really holding it down. I guess it's cool to name your daughter after a British line of fabrics. Name her Lib. Yeah. Lib tard. Couldn't be me. That's what I'm naming. That's what I'm naming my son. Lib tard. Damn. Because I believe

in liberalism and I'm also retarded. Yeah, it's perfect. It's the it's the perfect name. Yeah, I didn't read the Daily Mail thing. But I did read the Ben Smith thing, obviously. Yeah. That was I mean, yeah, I read the Ben Smith one. It was fine. It was just like a basic scene report, which is like a tried and true mode of journalism. Yeah. And then they were like kind of part and parcel. But I was just like, you know, I made this point on Twitter, like the reality that these things are proposing to you is not real. It's completely reconstructed. And the actual reality is much more mundane in that it's a bunch of people toiling on their own projects and COVID world. Yeah. But it's nice. I'm glad to see that young people are banding together and doing like projects.

Yeah, especially in a cool like analog way. Yeah, I really like mundane and unambitious projects because those are the ones that turn out to be totally the most fulfilling. Yeah. Like instead of like, and that just kind of happened organically, naturally. Yeah, that are like collaborative among friends, etc. Yeah, I don't mean that. I actually think that what I'm saying is that the unambitious projects are actually the most ambitious in a way. Totally. Anyway, God, I hate you. But it's hard for anyone, I'll say to finish anything, I think. Yeah. So anyone who's able to do that, I can't even finish a meal. I didn't even finish my elbow toes. I mean, it's hard to like. There has to be very little

avo because it's not it's not browning at all. And usually avo browns very quickly. Yeah. Well, let's check back with it in like an hour. Okay. I'm just taking a peek. Okay. Yeah, we'll look, we'll look at it again. We'll look pure beneath the surface. My other, this is a really horrible hot take, but my other hot take is that Megan McCain is actually really hot and she just needs to lose some weight. She maybe has or her Botox is like hitting, she's looking, she was looking good. She looks good in the face. And she was wearing like a sensible navy. She makes some mistakes sometimes of like, she is a patriot, obviously. Sometimes wears really bright blues and bright reds and that makes her look just kind of like a American pig.

And doesn't really suit her pinkish skin tone. So it's nice to see her. She would look good on the view today, I'll say. Yeah, she looked like even as she was yelling at Joy Behar about the COVID relief bill. She, yeah, she, she looks like one of those blue ribbon state fair pigs versus a factory farm pig. Rosie. Yeah, she's not all gray, like those, those factory. No, I mean, she's, I stand by my assertion that she's not a bad looking lass. No, not at all. Good for her. Great for her. Because that's all she does going for her that and her kids because her political assessments are not very sharp. It's no, but it's nice. I appreciate the view because it's nice to just see that kind of discourse, even as it's getting increasingly disjointed,

because there was like a lag on their like COVID, they're all like separate. I wish they would sit six feet apart, like they do on like inside the NBA or something. Cause I do think there's something to being in the same room and they'd have maybe more productive conversations, but the view really is like, she's, I'm glad she's on it because she is this kind of like conservative wildcard. Yeah. And so she clashes and it's like, it's, it's nice to see that conversation happening. Just women talking. Just women talking, who knew. That the nation would be gripped by the sound of women talking. All right. So let's see. Megan Markle is the big news item, I guess. Megan. Megan Markle and Prince Harry spoke out in a very highly rated in terms of viewership,

Oprah Winfrey interview where they opened up about their struggles within the royal family. Yeah. A lot of people asked the question, why the fuck are you watching this interview? And I was like, chill. I'm just doing research for the pod. But I think there's something like 170 million people watched it. It was like very much a media event where it's supposed to. And was it two million people tuned into her wedding? That's literally insane. I would kill myself if like two million people saw me. Tuned into your execution. God. Yeah. What did you make of the, of the, of the interview, I guess? I ball. Yeah. I just have one question really is what color is your baby going to be in?

Okay. Well, I have another really fucked up theory that you're whether like, whether a woman is white or not is determined by the color of the nips. Very interesting. Okay. And the lips, not the, not those lips. So which lips? Oh, okay. Okay. I'm being, you're being, no, you're actually, yeah. But this is a good question that I've, that I've like wondered about whether my baby is going to come out white by global standards or only white by American standards. Cause my dad was really dark and he had the Paul Coupo problem of being like stopped in airports. Yeah. Right. Right. Right. But my grandpa was blonde with blue eyes and Eli was a, as I mentioned, he was a blonde

baby. What happened? Yeah. I was, I was a blonde baby as well. Even though I'm still a totally natural. I don't know why that would be, why would you have to qualify when I was a baby? Cause I'm clearly blonde, but yeah, I could go either way. I feel like he'll look Jewish. Yeah. Which is good for, which is great for a man, not so great for a woman. So it can be great for a woman. That's, you know, there's some gorgeous Jewish broads. Yeah. As well. I think you can go really, I think for both, it can go really great. Joy Behar, she's actually not Jewish. She's Italian. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. She's fully Italian. She just has a Jewish husband and looks very Jewish. Interesting. That midler. Well, Joy Behar said

today on the field that the reason why British people care about the monarchy so much is because it's all they have. It's like their thing. And she said that, you know, Italy has like great food and culture and France has Genesequa. And then she said in Spain has great nightlife. But, um, you know, the UK, she said has great architecture too, but really the only exceptional thing about them is that they have this like ancient stupid monarchy. I mean, and that's why they're so obsessed with it. And like, it's no one else really cares anymore, except for Americans for some reason, because they're still like kind of under the thumb of, you know, the soft power of the UK. I mean, I would push back on that and say at bare minimum,

Britain has one of the greatest and most underrated traditions of portrait painting. Like they have Gainsborough, Reynolds, Lawrence. Music. They have music. They have pop music. Pop rock music. Some of the best ever made. They have Liam Gallagher. They have a lot. They have even more to offer. I don't agree with. But I think that, um, the fixation on the royal family does have something to do with this. My question is that my question is this, are any Brits or Americans seriously fixated on the royal family outside of like a vague, uh, kind of like, um, you know, like a vague interest, like to the degree that like it's like, I vaguely keep abreast of the Kardashians because they're mildly interesting

to me as like an ensemble of Armenian and Armenian adjacent women, but I actually do not care about the Kardashians or their fame or their money. Like they don't, I don't think of them on a day to day basis, but if keeping up with the Kardashians is on TV and I have nothing else to watch, I'll watch it. You know, that sort of thing. I assume that most people's relationship to the royals was similar to that. Yeah. Moe. Yeah. I guess, but I think there is still a pretty large amount of people for whom it is. Maybe not like, maybe, yeah, it's not an active interest, but it's like something that's very psychologically charged for them. They like associate it like queen and country. It's like, I think in the UK more so than here, but even here, especially with

Harry and Megan, it's like, um, there is something psychologically happening with people, I think, which is why they like over identify with and like worship. I mean, literally like worship these people, even if it's not like an active fandom or obsession, the way that like other celebrities might have, I still think it's, there's something about it that really is like gripped people's consciousness. And that's why so many viewers, that's why people like tune into all the royal weddings, like Andrew and Fergie, like their wedding, all this like all this ephemera and kind of like culture is generated around them just because they're royalty, which is really bizarre and weird, but I don't think people really think about it. They just kind of,

yeah. They just are royal. They don't zoom out and interrogate their unexamined lives. I can't imagine being fixated on people that gummy. Definitely. I totally don't. And pasty. Don't get it. Well, that's why people love Princess Diana, you know, like, because she was like, you know, and it is this kind of like Freudian thing where they're obsessed with and oppressed, kind of buy it. And so like they princesses archetypally have all this like psychic over investment in them. And that's why Meghan Markle is such a like flashpoint, I think for people's own, you know, especially that's why it's so important that she's like a black woman, even though she's like very, very light skinned to me. Okay. To me, it does not, it all feels like a

sigh of people were obsessed with Kate Middleton, even to the point that they were obsessed with her big ass sister, Pippa Middleton. They still are. They now they're obsessed with Meghan Markle in this kind of negative parasocial way. I don't know. It all feels kind of totally fake and manufactured because I've personally, like, I've never met a person who's seen Wonder Woman and I've never met a person who cares about the Royals. Well, okay, it's probably like, you know, it's not something that people in our circles would care about. Definitely not. Or well, I think like in the in the UK, like Pierce Morgan is really upset about like Meghan Markle and Prince Harry, like betraying the, you know, queen and country and stuff. And that's because

he is kind of like the Royals for him are like Trump to like Anderson Cooper, you know, he's like completely dependent on them for his career and readings. It's like, it's like Trump is actually kind of an interesting proxy. Because yeah, there's like rabid, MAGA, America's Royals, MAGA people. And then there's like kind of casual people who prefer Trump to some alternative maybe or just are like, but everyone kind of is consumed by the media cycle that like Trumpism was. Yeah, I mean, that's true. But I think like the overall problem, which also pertains to these kind of like puff pieces or hip pieces that are written about scenes is that we have a totally speculative economy, like journalism, I don't mean the stock market. I mean, like journalism itself

is a speculative economy that which means that people get press just for having previous press like cumulative backlogs of preexisting press. And it's all completely fake. And that's also like the problem, the nature of modern celebrity, which is why it feels so unfulfilling and hollow for everybody involved. Like you have these people who have millions or tens of millions of followers who are more famous than anyone could ever imagine by sheer number, but like nobody cares about them. And you can detect kind of the hollowness, the kind of insanity and hostility in their kind of public pronouncements and posts because they can they can detect intuitively that nobody actually cares about them at the end of the day. Because there's no scarce. I mean,

it's a scarcity problem. There's no scarcity real or artificial. Right. And I think like because celebrities are diffused. Yeah. And like Princess Di was like the last time the royals were vaguely interesting. Yeah. And now you have this like weird kind of like performance, like simulacra theater of like Haley Baldwin and Kendall Jenner wearing big sweatshirts and biking shorts and like big puffy white sneakers mimicking Princess Di. Right. It's like a weird Mark Fisher kind of nostalgia economy. No, it is very bizarre. Totally. Yeah. What I thought was really kind of telling about the interview with Meghan Markle, I think this was in her portion. Well, first of all, she's a completely monstrous, consuming, devouring, conniving person.

I mean, she is. She makes this very strong but implicit parallel between herself and Princess Di. Right. With the appeal to like mental illness. Yeah. And self harm. And like, I actually completely believe everything she said in the interview. I believe that somebody in the family made a snide remark about the color of the baby's skin. I believe that she had thoughts of harming herself and felt kind of hopeless and unsupported. Yeah. But I also believe that you should never, ever mention those kind of things in public if you are a duchess, if you're a duchess and you, you know, you willfully opted into this family. They said this on the BBC and it was a little shady, but I think it's true. They said, you know, Meghan Markle was an actress and perhaps

she should have better prepared for the role. And I kind of think, yeah, that's true. You can't just, I do think, I hate the royals. I think they're totally monstrous. Of course, they're racist. Like, obviously, a big aspect of racism is also colorism. So the fact that she is so light-skinned is what allowed her to marry into the royal family in the first place. But obviously, they still have all of this like anti-black sentiment or whatever. And so no duh. But yeah, you like wanted to be a princess and if you want to be a princess or a duchess or whatever. Another thing they said on the BBC was that, you know, there was no discussion in this interview at all of how monarchy actually functions and the reason that she had low standing and kind of was

poorly treated within the structure of the monarchy probably did have to do somewhat with racism or it had like a racist flavor. But it was really because she married like Kate Middleton's husband is higher up higher up. He's closer to the throne. It's a hierarchical organization. And she married Harry, who is like relatively low on the totem pole. Yeah, I don't I actually do not dispute that there is kind of justifiable palpable instances of racism. But okay, you also don't get to go to a mental institution if you're a princess. Wait, you don't know it's not allowed. I mean, it's just not that's not what the the role is. It's not what the job entails. You like you have to like take that L. Yeah, you can like I'm sure they you know can put her in some kind

of like secret sanitarium or something. But yeah, but you like, you can't make a spectacle of your like mental illness or whatever you have to be like a duchess. Yeah, and if you want to make a spectacle of your mental illness, you should start a podcast, which is probably what her and Harry are gonna fucking do. Let's be honest, they're just trying to build like a media empire. And it's really smart of them because they're just like, yeah, positioning themselves to be like American monarchy or whatever, they're doing what Barack and Michelle Obama are doing, which is probably rolling out kind of like a proprietary model of like books and podcasts and content. But yet yesterday I tweeted that kind of like the main takeaway from this interview was that

it's easier for everybody to pass off the financial decision making of floundering institutions as a cultural issue to kind of cynically make it about racism or sexism or mental health and so on. It's mutually beneficial for both sides because, you know, the British Royals don't ever have to confront or address the fact that they are completely failing obsolete institution. And Megan and Harry can can rest assured that they were discriminated against, not out of procedural and monetary considerations, but because she's an plucky American upstart and her son will be mixed race. And it's like this very kind of convenient victim narrative that seems to govern all professional kind of gambits in this day and age. I mean, all of the like, they said that she

made Kate cry, but actually Kate made her cry stuff. Bridesmaid dresses or whatever. Petty, I can't believe we're talking about it. Yeah, it's insane. And like, yeah, I want to make it clear that I'm not like downplaying anything. And I do again, believe that members of the royal family were probably, you know, off color and racist toward her. And, you know, that's very unfortunate and very demoralizing. But again, you opted into the structure. And, you know, you have to bear the cost. You don't the whole point of, well, you don't apparently you don't know, yeah, I guess. And to me, this this whole kind of cross the pond to go to Canada. Yeah. Yeah. And but the whole this also kind of like points to like a gen generational divide between

the way the old and new generations view like duty and entitlement. You know, like, there's I'm sure I'm sure the royal family did plenty of horrible atrocious really insulting demeaning stuff to princess die that left her feeling something even more like unhinged and isolated. Yeah. But it, you know, Megan is right that you this is a family business and you're buying into the kind of the firm the institution. Yeah. And, you know, perhaps she should have better prepared for the role. What was her acting career before she she was on suits? What's that? It's like a TV show about lawyers. Oh, I wonder, I wonder if we could watch the show. I mean, not for the pod, but I'm just

curious. She had kind of a me kind of acting. You know, so that's inspiring, I guess. Yeah. Well, I was thinking you can you can marry their son. Well, I was doing my little people made fun of me for saying this about like Black Lives Matter. But it is kind of like a kind of narcissistic empathy experiment. Like I was like, okay, I kind of I get why Megan Markle is so important to like American black women and for her to like, to identify with her as like a black woman who like became a princess and stuff. And I was like, if she was like a Belarusian rascal, I also who was like being mistreated by the horrible Royals, I probably I don't know if I would speak about it, but I would definitely feel some kind of like this is just this is like a micro example of like the

general like anti Slavic hostility that Western Europe has. Like I could see myself like having all of this psychological like attachment. But then I thought of Melania and how whenever people would call her like a prostitute or like a mail order bride, like that was completely like anti Slavic. Yeah, based racism. And I didn't like, especially care or associate with her that much. So I did enjoy her. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. I mean, I felt like I'm just I think we're just not offended by races. By the way, I want to make it like when I was growing up, my mom's family said horrible racist things about my dad's family all the time that they were inferior primitives, heathens, dark skin, so on. And my, my dad's family said horrible racist things about my mom's family that

they were like neurotic and cheap and all these anti-Semitic caricatures. Like I grew up in a Fallujah type environment that was like literally rife with like a racial hatred, which probably made their marriage like kind of hot at the end of the day. But like, which explains your personality. Yeah, it does. But it's like, okay, big fucking deal. Deal with it. It's not that big of a deal. I understand like if you're going to talk about like the American context of racism and how it pertains to like black people, but Meghan Markle is barely even she's white passing. If you spell your name with a GH, if you spell Meghan with a GH, you're politically white. No offense. But like, damn, yeah, I mean, I, I guess I would agree. But she's still whatever,

like, she's black, like one drop rule, whatever. She's, I'm not going to dispute her ethnography or whatever, but like, she's, she's black. And I don't, again, I do not doubt that there was a legitimate race issue involved. Kind of like, I don't doubt that there was legitimate sexism involved in the way that Hillary was treated. Yeah, definitely. Like there really was. I mean, I, and I hate Hillary. I have misogynistic feelings about Hillary Clinton. Definitely. But like, I'm not afraid to admit that. To use that as a trump card obfuscates the real issue at hand. And the outpouring of sympathy is also really like seems to completely obscure the fact that they're going to be, these are like royalty that you're talking about. They're not like, they're

not really victims in this situation at all. They get to like live in Montecito Heights and get like a Netflix special. They're going to be completely fine. Like what is the, why like all the kind of like, why is such a high pitch of hysteria around it? I guess. Well, that's the scary thing. I mean, all of this is, is financial decision making. And I think like the way that she appeals to the public as like, you know, a young, uh, pregnant woman is through this, you know, empathy politics power grab. It's like, you know, everybody's doing it now. It's not enough to, to, um, an Oprah's a master at that. Yeah, totally. Yeah. I love Oprah. I do too. Yeah. Yeah. She's a real plucky upstart on it. And she spawned like Dr. Oz and Brené Brown and William

Seng and Dr. Phil, all these empathy peddlers. She's like really spawned that industry. And, you know, I appreciate also her in the interview trying to give them a hard time and like, you know, kind of pushing back on Megan's slipperiness or whatever. But yeah, it seems like like the whole kind of, um, you know, narrative around it feels fake. It feels like kind of like a, uh, financial decision again, like she talks about how, um, she was told that her son would not receive a title and therefore would not receive security. Um, and I think she tried to conflate this somehow with the commentary about him potentially being born dark skinned, right? Uh, which was also a cynical ploy for sympathy. Um, because the reality is, is that,

you know, the royal family, like any firm or institution is under the current like neoliberal paradigm. They're neoliberalizing, sorry to use that word. They're basically cutting costs, implementing austerity, going lean. And they're trying to just like, you know, cut the fat off of their institution in a desperate bid to like preserve themselves to buy themselves some time. Right. And what is not having security really mean in that context? Like relative to the amount of insecurity that the average person would experience, you know, I feel like it's still like you're in probably, you're probably doing pretty good. Well, yeah, I think they were referring to, I'm sure that it means that he gets some monetary regular monetary compensation from the

royal family. Um, that he's not eligible for it because he doesn't have an official title of Prince or Princess at the time. They didn't know the gender of the baby. Yeah. Um, so it's a form, it's a formal term, but like, do you think I could be a princess? Totally. Yeah. I think I'd be a good one. I'd be a great princess mad benevolent and discreet. You can just like throw alms, like throw red scare thongs at people and lighters, like bop them on the head. We have to do some research and find out where there's still eligible Princelings. Right. Like Saudi. I don't really want to get it, get into all that. No, you don't want to be beheaded or placed in a battle of asses. Yeah. I don't want to be a concubine. Yeah.

Yeah. So they love those Russian girls up in there. They do, but I'm a little, the guy at the cigarette store asked for my ID. And when I showed it to him, he went, you're so old. And I was like waiting for him to like be like, Oh, sorry, I shouldn't have, you know, I mean, you look young or something. You just left today. You're so old. And I was like, what's the backhanded compliment? He was shocked that you weren't 19. Yeah. Well, the mask, the mask helps. Yeah, that's true. And my adorable little kerchief. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Fuck. I forgot what I was saying, but something about, no, it's fine. It's something about the, the royal, but, but like, okay, but okay, help me understand the

order because I'm a little fuzzy on the order. They, Megan and Harry stepped back from their official duties, correct? And then it was said that the child wouldn't receive a title or a security. Oh, I don't know. That's what I want to get to the bottom of. Cause if it was, it's a little dice here if that, if it was beforehand, which would probably affect their decision to step back. But if it was after their decision to step back, then it's fair game because then they're just part-time gig workers of the royal family. And they still get to be called prince and duchess. Yeah. I think they do. Yeah. No, the people refer to them as that, I feel like. It doesn't even matter if it's official, I guess. Yeah. I feel like even if they were stripped

of their titles officially, they would still get to be called that. Is it? So she's a duchess, but he's not a duke. He's a prince. But what's a duke? I don't know. Oh, it's so exhausting. And then what's under a prince? Like what would Archie be? I mean, wouldn't he just be another generation of prince? Yeah. Prince is all the way down, I guess. Yeah. All right. Well, he can be our, our American prince. He's pretty cute. I think I like googled him. Yeah. She says, I mean, just like some of the claims that she makes are like outrageous. Let's see. Like, you know, she talks about planning her wedding. I've said this before about Meghan Markle. This is a woman who's been planning her wedding since when, before she had a man when she was in diapers.

As I'm sure Kate Middleton did. Yeah. They're look very similar. They're physically interchangeable. They look the same. Yeah. So maybe the media got confused about who made whom cry because they, you know, it was unclear when they were standing on that balcony, whatever. Right. The other thing that people. Meghan's hotter. Yeah. I think that's clear. Yeah. She has more like contemporary sex appeal. Kate's a little pinched and like they both seem like they have like a stick up their ass, but Megan's definitely hotter and I love her freckles. Yeah. Yeah. No, Megan's hot. The other thing that I want to say is that like she and Harry are like dogs and their owners. She's a hotter kind of more tan version of Harry. They look so much like they both have

this small, close-set BDIs and that long nasal bridge and the kind of upturned wonky tip. I swear to God. Yeah. I'm not being mean. I'm just like, people are drawn to it. It's really cute. I was, I was lurking on the sub a couple of weeks ago and there was like some, some post about how outrageous, outrageous it is that Jesse Plemmons scored Kirsten Dunst and I was like, what's so outrageous about that? Like she's pretty, but she's a hotter version of him. They look alike. He's like a pink blonde guy with a snub nose and she's like, they look like kind of like Germanic beer hall people. I mean, her name is Dunst. Yeah. He's, and he's not like bad looking. He just often plays kind of like homely types. Like he's, that's sort of his domain acting wise

and she's traditionally played like hotter roles, but yeah. Like cheerleaders and princesses. Yeah. Love her. Yeah. Great tits. Best tits in the business. Awesome tits. I love that like nude where she's like kind of leaning in front of a webcam with really perfect jugs. Yeah. But like, of course he would be into her cause she's literally the hotter version of him. Megan Markle is literally the hotter version of Harry. Yeah. It's so like, that's what I know. I can't even really place a face to Harry if I'm being honest. It's cause he's such a redhead. Yeah. It's all get, it all gets kind of lost in the, in the ruddiness. Yeah. Love redheads for the record. Well, it's weird how like redhead women are like scary but hot, but redhead men are just

like gross. Occasionally, occasionally there's a hot one, but they, I do think redheads are gingers, I guess, do like are more sensitive than other people. Like sensitive to emotionally, pain and just in general, I think like, yeah, exactly. Kind of anything. I think they have a heightened sensitivity cause that's why they like flush really easily. And like, that's why they make such good actors often is cause they're like, I think highly sensitive. Just a theory I have. Yeah. No, I think you're onto something. He should become an actor. No, but so she says that during their wedding day, she says, this wasn't our day. And I was expecting her to say like, this was a day for our family. But then she says it was a day that

was planned for the world. Later on, she confides that they got actually like legally married three days before the wedding because the spectacles for the world. And it's like, how do you talk about yourself like that for the world? Like that's so entitled. It like, it's a repulsive way to go about thinking, you know, to go out having a wedding, like, I know, it's just like very depressing and like most women, I'm sorry to be misogynistic, but like most women, she's extremely ambitious, but very small minded in her ambitions, which are mainly to be seen as like, enviable on a world stage. Well, yeah, she wants to literally occupy, yeah, she wants to be a princess. Yeah, which is like, you know, and she talks about a lot. She's like, you know, life is

about fairy tales and storytelling. And I'm like, no, no, it's not. No, it's literally not. It's about working hard and like raising a family and being nice to your friends. And she's got a small woman's woman's brain. Yeah, it's like insane to like this kind of like confabulated fantasy, like like fairy tale view of the world. And like, of course, she is highly attuned to any kind of insult or discrimination or indifference, because this is very deeply offensive to her kind of integrity as a human being. Her feminine sensibility. Yeah, when people don't think she's that special. Damn. Yeah, I mean, it's like that. So that and part of the interview is really kind of like revealing. Yeah, I mean, it's really smart what she's doing. Totally. You know, for her

own ends, like, if I was Megan Markle, I'd probably do the same thing. It'd be like, I'm clearly not going to be the most important princess in this hierarchy. So I'm going to like subvert it and go on Oprah and like kind of establish myself as like, still a princess, but like, I'm not like other princesses. Pick me. Exactly. But it's very like, okay, like, it's a very hard on one level, I completely sympathize with her. Because I'm of the mind that all the kind of negative attention that you receive, you have, even if it's disproportionate and cruel, you've brought it upon yourself by playing the game on some level. But that said, it's I understand like how she feels like, as like, because you feel like you've brought all the negative attention.

You know, but I understand how it feels to be at this stage, like, like pregnant and hormonal and oversensitive. And you like literally like freak out every like tiny thing somebody says to you, like, I get that. But at the same time, it's very hard to sympathize with her, you know, journey or plight or whatever, because she's literally a princess going on Oprah to tell her story. Exactly. And it's crazy and entitled to even make it into a woe is me tale. Totally. I don't know. And it's like, that was my position, you know, that's my position with all kind of artists, especially women artists. I sympathize with your play. I believe you. But just make work about it. Make a, you know, make a record, write a book. Well, maybe Mark was not an artist. Yeah,

but she has a, she could have a media empire. She doesn't have to speak. That's what they're gunning for, right? I mean, I'm sure they're gonna. Yeah. I mean, she clearly doesn't want to be an actress. That's not an actor's aren't artists. They're craftsmen to be artisans. Yeah. It's a craft, not an art, but no disrespect. But yeah, she wants, I don't know, she wants, I think you're right to be like, held in high esteem, in a position of like, specialness and nobility. Yeah, I think she was something she perceived to be like, unachievable within the context of the royal family that she married into probably hoping for. Yeah, I think she wants to be good, but also enviable, which is mutually exclusive. She wants to be seen as good rather. And like, just the way that she, you

know, when Oprah presses her on certain issues, when Oprah's like, well, who told you that? Or who said that to you? And she's like, I can't disclose it because. But it wasn't the queen or Philip. Yeah, it would be like, Philip's been dead for three years. Of course, he didn't say her child was going to come out of the dark skin. He doesn't know who you are. He has no idea what's going on. He has like brain gangrene at this point. But the Joe Biden of the UK. Bless you. What do you say when somebody coughs to nothing? Nothing. You just stare at them and the contempt. Exactly. Yeah, the way that she, you know, the kind of undertone of that, the subtext is like, I'm so good and such a martyr for not airing out these people's dirty laundry.

She's already doing. Yeah, what she's doing anyway, it doesn't matter who said it, Fergie, Andrew, whatever. It is a betrayal. I wonder if she's ever met Epstein. Interesting. Oh, yeah, I wonder if Harry has, I think they're just, it's they're a little young. Yeah, the generationally, but they've definitely been maybe in like the same room with like. Yeah, it's I have a fuzzy picture of her kind of a scent. I don't know what went like, at what point her and Harry met or whatever. Do you remember you posted a picture of that girl, the pregnant girl with her baby daddy who looked like Eli and called them. She used to date Prince Harry. What? She's this girl in LA. Yeah. What? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. Or maybe another one,

but I'm 90% sure it was Prince Harry. It was like pre-Markle. Wow. Yeah. When? How old were these people? They were like years ago. My age. Harry's younger than Meghan. Yeah. And Meghan's like, what, 33? She's 30. No, Meghan's like 38. So she looks, I just want to say to her credit, she looks incredible for being almost 40. Well, that's very black. Black of her actually, age so well. In that way, yeah, she's not. Yeah. And I think Harry's like a couple of years younger. He's totally, he's totally like pussy whipped or whatever, which is cool. Yeah. Remember when he dressed up like a Nazi? No, I assume that he's done blackface at some point. Definitely. But the Nazi pick was

the one that leaked. It was that like a party. That's cute, I guess. People don't talk about that enough, honestly. What, him being a Nazi? He's not a Nazi, but he definitely dressed up like one. Yeah. But he said William made him do it. I was like looking, I was like, what was up with that? Here's the pic. He's so young. I know. He's like a teen. He's smoking a seag, very cool. The other weird thing was when they were talking about how they, when they moved to LA or something, they were staying in Tyler Perry's house. It's so weird, random, weird. Cool. I'm just like looking at kind of what else happened. I have some little notes that I put down. Harry, to his credit, does seem like really dumb and dopey, but nice. And it seems like he really does love her.

Yeah, definitely. And he's so dumb and dopey that he keeps accidentally refuting the kind of manipulative groundwork that he's laid to make herself look like a victim. Oh, well, actually, it's not about racism. My grandma's a nice lady. And he'll just like, like stumble into some actual revelation. Yeah. Like he's trying. Yeah, he got her the chicken coop. He got her the the man, the Cali mansion. He's like doing his best. He's a good, he's a good husband in that way. Yeah, very princely of him. He's nice. Yeah. He claims, I guess he claims that they left the royal family out of lack of support and lack of

clarity. And then he says that they said to her that she should continue acting because they don't have the money to pay for her. So they actually told on themselves, they like actually revealed the jig or whatever. Yeah, they could make more money, like doing this thing, this grift. Yeah, and it's like the royalty grift. Of course, the royal family probably does have enough money to give Megan an Archie an allowance, but they the important thing is that they think they don't, they're like hemorrhaging money at the ass and they have no way to make it back. Right. Because they're no longer the head of a colonial empire and can't start any new wars. Yeah, what the fuck are they going to do? Yeah, you know, if that bitch was smart, she would have

married like a Biden and ascended the ranks of a country that actually still does have the power to start wars. No, she's dead. She's very smart on what she did. I think this will be very lucrative for her. She's well poised to become whatever she hopes to be, I think. And I, yeah, I guess I admire that kind of ruthless, plucky, ambition, typically American. Yeah, I'm a patriot, much like Megan McCain. I get it. I hate the royal. And that's the thing, ultimately, is I like, I despise the royals. Well, yeah, that's the other thing. I think they're gross and weird. And I like, you know, I wouldn't want to be toothy. Yeah, I wouldn't really want to mingle with them either. Yeah, they look like their teeth have like hair or something.

They look like the McPoyles from Always Sunny. They're definitely like inbreeding. Yeah, of course, right? That's the thing with the royalty because they're like, only mingle with, yeah, so they're all like a little like slow and a little like ugly. Wonky. She also says how the baby's big word right now is hydrate. I miss that. She literally says that Archie, like, because he speaks, I don't know, he's like one or something or two. He's into hydration. That's very cool. Yeah, he's into like hot hydration. Cute. I wonder what my baby's first word is. Love that podcast. One of the n words. It's totally a matter of time.

What else? Do we have any other meg thoughts? That's really all I have. I mean, I don't know. We can move on to Dr. Seuss. Oh, yeah. Talking about cartoons. Culture War rages on. Two adult women. Discussing cartoons. Talking about Peppy Le Pew. What are my favorite? He's a Looney Tunes or? Yeah. Okay, cool. They're making a new space jam, of course, because why wouldn't they? That they cut Peppy Le Pew out. Whoopie said on the view. She said, why couldn't they,

why did they have to erase Peppy? Why couldn't they replace him with Peppy the Frog? No, I'm just kidding. She said, why don't they? Why didn't they just add some like dialogue where they say, like, yeah, Peppy Le Pew used to grope other skunks, but now he doesn't anymore because he learned that that wasn't okay. Cats. Not even skunks. It was interspecies. She's love. Yeah. Wasn't there a girl Peppy Le Pew? She was a cat. Oh, she was a cat. Yeah. And she would always accidentally like fall in a bucket of paint or like walk under a sign that had just been freshly painted and like get a white stripe on her back. She was a black cat. And then he would mistake her for a girl skunk and try to rape her. That's the premise of

smother her with kisses. Yeah. And I per usual agree with Whoopie. I think, you know, I mean, I don't even really remember him being that important of a part of Looney Tunes. So I guess they were all kind of in the mix. But he's a relatively minor tune. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Well, Speedy Gonzalez is actually a very popular Looney Tune, I think. Yeah. And he's also caught some, caught some heat, though I don't think he was in Space Jam. Oh, I assumed all of them were. Maybe. I mean, I don't, I don't watch movies for little babies. That's true. Yeah. Then there's a bunny. There's a rabbit with like the huge tits and ass that was made into Lola Bunny. Yeah. Making me feel like Peppy Le Pew when I see Lola Bunny. Honestly,

I just want to kiss her and squeeze her. But yeah, they made her look kind of like more androgynous and Billie Eilish, like the big white hips like they do to bunnies, which is still like a kind of sexualizing. If you really want to get into people's like sexual pathologies and stuff. I said on Dan Allegretto's part of what I'll repeat myself, the bunny in Zootopia, I found to be kind of like sexually attractive. Yeah. And she's also kind of like small, titty, big ass kind of bunny. Well, it was, it wasn't just the bunny. It was the sexual tension between her and the fox who's voiced by Jason Bateman. And they have like a really hot kind of like, because he's, you know, a fox. He eats bunnies. So there's like a natural tension. Yeah. Well,

it's like your parents being racist against each other. It creates a really hot and steamy dynamic. Exactly. I see. Yeah. She's like wearing me panties. She's a pog. Yeah. This is where it's headed. This is like, it's not, it's not, I don't give a shit about cancel culture or woe culture, but the future is just people treating cartoons like real human beings. Yeah. And talking about them like, as if they were actual like editors at the time. Atomical parts. Yeah. News anchors. Yeah. Like this fictional French skunk raped a woman. Yeah. He must be canceled. Pepe's like Olivier Zahm or Serge Gainsberg. He's like a classic French player. Representation matters. And this is an accurate kind of French representation.

Yeah. Though somebody told me recently that their friend who's French always assumed Pepe was Italian because they view Italians as being the rapey race. See, that's interesting. It's intersectional, intersectionality at play. Yeah, actually. And then, you know, we were wondering who the Italians view as the rapey culture and somebody proposed Albanians, which is probably true. Yeah. Very interesting. Yeah. Like Russians, I think think like Azeris are rapey or Armenians, you know, it's like that, like this. Yeah. But in America, probably think Russians are rapey. Yeah. Polish, Ukrainian, spell Russians. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, yeah, he had like a universal European kind of rapiness. Yeah. Maybe they could just make him

more kind of culturally ambiguous. But I guess it's that's not the issue. I guess the issue is the the sexual and the unwanted sexual advances of Pepe Le Pew. They should just make him like an ally or trans. Like he has a second act as a male feminist or something. Yeah, make him a pog. Just pogify all the animals and take their gorgeous tits away. Fine, if that's how you guys want it. I liked this headline from TMZ that you sent me. Pepe Le Pew called out for perpetuating rape culture in NYT op-ed. NYT op-ed writer claims skunk perpetuating rape culture. I love that. I mean, is the New York Times not ashamed for writing to be just writing these like who's yeah, imagine being a newspaper editor, the paper of record. Yeah. Being like, yes,

let's green light this. Yeah, no, it's not. It's not. Looney Tunes cancel culture article. I know it's bad enough that they're writing about Dime Square. They're also writing about like Looney Tunes gave everything just so. It's a disaster. A culture in decline. I love this. Some of the first cartoons I can remember included Pepe Le Pew who normalized rape culture. Speedy Gonzalez, whose friends helped popularize corrosive stereotypes of drunk and lethargic Mexicans and mammy tissues, a heavy black maid who spoke in a heavy accent. I didn't realize that Speedy's friends were lethargic. Yeah. I thought he was actually subverting that stereotype in a positive way, but I didn't realize that he was like exceptional for

his speediness. For me. I didn't understand any of that because I watched all this shit when I was a child. So I didn't have this kind of like complicated. Maybe they should have built that wall and she wouldn't have ever been allowed to enter this country. As in my, yeah, my child consciousness didn't have these kind of like geopolitical ramifications in place to understand any of this. I just thought it was just like a cute rodent. Yeah. I didn't, I didn't know. But this, this for me actually is like a cause for optimism, I think, because I think cancel culture or whatever will just cancel itself out. Like I don't think it's gonna, you know. Yeah. Eventually it'll get so literally cartoonish that people will have no

choice. I mean, Joy Behar said on the view that this was all a distraction from, by the conservatives to distract from the fact that none of the Republicans voted for the COVID relief bill, which then Megan McCain chimed in and was like, but that's because the COVID relief bill, only 9% goes to the people, blah, blah, blah. I didn't look into the COVID relief bill, obviously. And in that way, Joy Behar is right. It is a distraction, but it's not just perpetuated by the right. It's like we're all locked in this like culture war about fucking Dr. Seuss, because we can't actually have any productive conversations about anything that actually matters. Yeah, totally. And it's just like, yeah, it's, it's, it's a distraction for and by people who are

like materially comfortable, but spiritually uncomfortable. Yes. And they're like materially comfortable in the wrong ways, in the sense that they have like streaming and seamless and like fleeting world comfort. Yeah. But they have no meaning or purpose to their lives. They don't have any stake in anything real. Yeah. And they don't have any kind of way of exercising power. So yeah, we have to talk about, I mean, it's true, like we have to literally like debate whether some guy who wrote a book about a cat and a hat was like a racist. Yeah. So six of his books were pulled from circulation on eBay. Yeah. And they're no longer being issued by the publisher. Yes, I guess. So which was a decision made by the Dr. Seuss foundation,

which is what they manage as a state. Yeah, I guess. So seemingly like, yeah, in response. And there's six like pretty obscure ones that I don't think anyone reads. Well, that's the thing. It's like the Megan and Harry thing. It's I read the six titles. It's not green eggs and ham. It's or cat in the hat. It's like the six that none of us have ever read. Exactly. I'll pull them up because I like have the quote from the, which was also in the New York Times. You know, for the sake of fact, checking. Yeah. To think I saw it on Mulberry Street. If I ran a zoo, uh, McElget's pool on beyond zebra scrambled eggs super and the cat's quiz are these sound like, um, like made up. They sound like, um, the cutting room floor titles for the cat and the hat and

green eggs and ham that like didn't make it. I mean, yeah, he wrote a lot of books. He was prolific. Yeah. Um, and yeah, I don't know. I'm not a book burner. Obviously they shouldn't be like, they're not really being banned. That's hard to say because they've been pulled out of circulation by the state itself. And that, I guess, ostensibly shouldn't happen. But I don't think it's such a like troubling sign of cancel culture run amok. Yeah. I think it's a troubling sign of something else, which is the kind of unreality and obfuscation of claiming again that something is a cultural issue when it's really a financial decision. Like the estate of Dr. Seuss does not want to continue publishing these books because they are not lucrative. And so they'll kill two birds with

one stone and also minimize their liability right in the kind of culture war. It's clearly just that. Yeah. I'm sure they're not like losing money off the books, but it basically makes no difference to them. There's no point in publishing in them. Cause like, what do you, you know, but eBay pulling them from circulation, um, will be pointed out that selling copies of mine comp. Um, but apparently they're going to do a whole like they're going to comb through all the stuff on eBay and they're gonna stop selling that as well. They're like, whatever. Fuck really? I was just thinking of reading mine comp. You have to go down to your local library. Not because I'm a Nazi, but because I saw a, um, a special, uh, Rick Steve's special on, on the Nazi history of Europe and in it,

he like, he and some German tour guide, flip through mine comp and talk about how, um, incoherent and reckless of a book it is. And I'm like really curious to see for myself that it's actually just really, really poorly written and like, I feel, cause I feel like, yeah, I like as like a teenage edgelord was like, I'm going to crack open my comp with dangerous ideas live within. And I was like, boring, boring and weird. Um, but yeah, my comp mid edgelord and podcaster. But yeah, obviously I'm of the opinion that no books should be, should be banned, but eBay is like a private burned company that also has the right to like diminish their liability. I guess and you can't sell a ton of shit on eBay, probably like guns or, or Nazi paraphernalia.

Yeah. Or ISIS flags. Really? Yeah. I think I remember trying to find one on eBay or something and couldn't. Um, when I was in Hong Kong, they had stalls upon stalls full of, um, Nazi paraphernalia. And I was not trying to buy any of that shit, but I was trying to photograph it and they were very, very, very, very, very angry when they could see me like kind of getting up close. And I was like, these like little Chinese men screaming at me. That's interesting. Yeah. It's not that interesting. I mean, it's interesting that they have that in China. It's weird that they made it down there. Thanks to the British royal family, probably. Yeah. How else? Or they're probably, I mean, they probably have like Foxconn sweatshops that manufacture fake Nazi propaganda for

retarded tourists. Yeah. Like these, uh, I'm sure they're hate sex. I'm sure they're not like historical artifacts. Yeah. Like chintzy weird crap. Yeah. They spray them with like fake patina, patina. Is it patina or patina? I never know. Patina, I think. Okay. Like patina, like sheen, teen, sheen. That's how I kind of remember it. Uh-huh. Patina. That's just like, yeah. That's, yeah. Um, yeah. I don't really have anything else. Much more notes on it, I guess. Let me see if I, I just have like a, a copy pasted New York Times quote that I can just read over and over again until we hit the time. I mean, um, oh, you know, it's back, by the way, is, um, they're rebooting the real world, the old real world. Interesting. The new real world. Yeah,

but it's, it's all kind of like Gen Xers and they're like, yeah, yeah. Like the old cast is back. Cool. Yeah. We should watch that. I'd be into that. I'm interested. Yeah. It would be interesting to watch the old real world and the new real world kind of back to back. Yeah. It's kind of like those, um, the seven up series. What's that? It's these like, I think they're British documentaries. It was like seven up, 14 up, 20, whatever, every like seven years they would 21. I know how to do that. They would like check in with the same kind of people. And so it's kind of, yeah, like a low brow version of that. The only, the only two real world members that I was really invested in were Pedro and Puck and Pedro's dead and Puck's probably dead. So I don't, I didn't really,

I wasn't sentient enough to really get the, but I remember it just sort of the, the shape of it on TV and watching, like watching it kind of casually, but not really understanding because everyone when you're a kid seems like old as hell. Yeah. I like wasn't, it didn't intrigue me, but it does now. Yeah. Now that I'm so old, should we check on the, um, oh yeah, let's see the avatose. Yeah. Avatose reveal. Sister's interested. Not brown. Not brown. Not brown at all. That's one loaded piece of toast to quote, Megan Markle. Yeah. Looking good. I'll definitely finish the, the other third of this after we stop recording. Not brown. So yeah, probably not a lot of ava, but still highly, highly recommended menu item. Yeah. I'll check it out. I wonder what

this says about the gender of my baby. Now that I had a bite of the Dunkin' Hope. Anyway, see you at home. See you at home.