Red Scare - Simp on a Barbie

Episode Date: August 22, 2023

The ladies review Greta Gerwig's Barbie and Oliver Anthony's Rich Men North of Richmond.

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I saw that you said in the group chat that women are evil and initially I kind of like seized up and was like, no, no, that cannot be. I'm not evil. I'm perfectly good and pure. And then as I began to think about it, yeah, women are more evil for sure than men. Definitely more capable of like cruelty, I think, just instinctually. And they sublimated and they like you know lay snares and the most evil women are women who don't who pretend they're not evil. Yeah, who are liberals. Yeah.

But this came after I found out that Abe of Lodginger broic blocked us. What the fuck bitch? What the fuck bitch? I'm seizing with Intel Ridge now. Are you really made a big mistake? I was kind of like the fuck. I was taken I well okay I kind of like Ava of Bloodlinger broic even though she's annoying. I like her because she's pretty. And I was just having lighthearted fun when I was asking to see her mid-refer and calling her a horn stuff. I thought we were friends. Like, improving her head. Yeah, totally. And I just think back to that magical moment. At the poolside, Kavanaugh,ana at the Vegas hotel when we first saw her and we're like, who is this whore in unison? It was like a beautiful cinematic,

celluloid moment. It's glittering image. Yeah. And you know, we're both Chase traditional Catholics. I don't see why there has to be anemosity between us. I don't see why there has to be animosity between us. I don't know what I did. I guess she didn't take, I guess maybe she didn't like the way she said she was a whore. But we mentored in a nice way. I'm always disappointed when people don't share your sense of humor and are actually uneironic and take things personally. That's why it hurt me really is because it made me feel like misunderstood. I have to say it doesn't hurt as much as to personally. Yeah, that's why it hurt me really is because it made me feel like misunderstood. I have to say it doesn't hurt as much as Tulab. Well, Tulab's only has me blocked on one account.

And I know what I did. What did you do? For Tulab. Yeah, what did you do? It was when him and Jordan Peterson were going at it about the sports of the Fat Sports Illustrated model. Oh. And I said, boy, why don't you come on my body positive podcast and talk this thing out? Oh, that's so innocent. He blocked, but he blocks idiots. That's he famously. So I had that coming. I knew I knew I was

playing with fire. I was put in daddy bear. Yeah, I still to this day don't know what motivated his block of me. As I've said many times before, the unflattering reality is that it's probably just a mass block and I'm merely collateral. But I'd like to think it was all those times that I said, now that my dad's dead, you're my dad, or call them an Arab or like that threat, where that guy, meticulously unpacked to Lebs genetics and concluded that he was in fact of a Bedouin Arab tribe. Yeah, but he really wants to pretend. And not a crack or a finitian or whatever.

Hellenistic Arab. But also I respect people who have principles. Yeah, same. Even if they're like arbitrary and insecure, you like. Nikki. Nikki who? Nikki Tlaf. I call him Nick.

Yeah, he wants you to call him Nick because that's the only thing that's keeping him from sounding like a Muslim. Come on the show. Please, please, come on. You in an A, but A, but two. I actually- She'll come around. I don't think she will. Sorry, you actually what?

She was recently converted to Catholicism recently, and chose Joan of Arc as her confirmation saying, which I actually think is pretty cool, but only if she's actually ready, and this is not a threat for martyrdom, because you're supposed to emulate the life of the saint that you is your patron. So she has to become an autistic lesbian and be killed by an angry mob. Yeah.

Well, she's, well, she's Jones the patron saint of nationalism. So you see why she is. You know, it's uncharitably, it's pretty cynical, but charitably as a Christian. I think it's cool. Get men always want to think that when we call another woman a whore, it's like a classic example of one of those backhanded compliments that we're so good at doling out. That's so smart.

At best, and then at worst worst it's just like us being like seethingly jealous and unable to control it and tearing another girl at the top of her game down. I mean she's beautiful. I know I was going to say that Ava, if you want to play hardball you should have been Barbie but you're not listening to this because you have a sunblock. Yeah you don't know. Now you won't know. She's like nationalist Barbie. Yeah. Dutch barbier Barbie, martyr Barbie. They make a Joan of Arc Barbie. I'd play with that. Yeah. I'm set her on fire. There probably are like weird archival collectors, Barbies. Did you play with Barbies? I sure did.

Barbies that are play with Barbies? I sure did. Did you? Not that I maybe had a couple like hand me down random ones that I didn't have a little attachment to, but my mom had a gay friend who was a dancer and one of the shows my parents worked at who made a custom like showgirl Barbie and made her a little outfit, but I was not allowed to play with her because she was like in your mom's collector's item. He gave it to me, it was mine, but it wasn't really like, it was like a yeah, like a bespoke kind of a gay man made like a sequined outfit and like put tiny fishnets on this doll and came into me. So you defiled her and cut off her hair. No I think I hope I wonder where she is honestly. But I she was very pretty. Yeah he did like make up on her and stuff this guy was a real queen. But I kept her like preserved as like an art art object.

Yeah, I did play with Barbies, but also semi-incidentally to the degree that we also had a lot of other dolls like cabbage-patch kids and troll dolls and we played with all of them. I remember as a over-sexed and precocious child just tearing their clothes off and making them like, sort of like, sort of like, sort of like, sort of like, sort of like, sort of like, sort of like, sort of like, sort of like, sort of like, sort of like, sort of like, sort of like, sort of like, sort of like, sort of like, sort of like, sort of like, sort of like, sort of like, sort of like, sort of like, sort of like, sort of like, sort of like, sort of like, sort of like, sort of like, sort of like, sort of like, sort of like,

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sort of like, sort of like, sort of like, sort of like, sort of like, sort of who told you to take that. Some women, some chicks put me up to it. They're just trying to cut me down. Was it Salome? No. You're on puberty blockers. I'm on puberty blockers now. What's, what's methanol a blue dye that is used to manage diabetes or blood pressure. I don't even know what the official indication is,

but it's supposed to enhance cognitive function and memory retention, which God knows I really need, because I be making up all sorts of excuses and lying and saying that I have mom brain, but really it's because I'm too online and scrolling the feed. I have brain fog. It's being a mom and long COVID.

I mean, while I'm like a rate limited in the DMs. But basically, you have to drop it into the back of your tongue because it's so pigmented that it stains. Everything you may have noticed, the blue stains on my shitty little no Liam countertop. I did not, but I'll look out. You can take a look. Yeah, they look like an old woman's legs.

Yeah. Spider-Man. Yeah, no, seriously. Because the counter already has that like, Jenny's Seville like gross, marbled, Frances Bacon asked quality to it. Yeah, it's marbled. Yeah, but like in a gross way.

Was it working? I mean, I've been on it for two days, so I don't know, but it's also supposed to like improve your skin and help with like metabolic function because it works on the mitochondria somehow. The only problem is that you can't mix it with well-buterin, which really puts the kibosh on my plans to medicate. I see. So I forgot where I was going with this. Something your cognitive function. I take a supplement, BAP told me to take, called you Leithro. That makes me more racist.

He's got me on a, on a cocktail. Oh, great. A bunch of them. Yeah. Supplements that make me more racist. Oh, but this is where I was going with it. I have a very sad and painful memory from my childhood. Okay. Damn you, methylene blue. It's been, the one thing that I've noticed is that it's been unlocking, dislodging all

these like, really troubling, repressive memories. That's been unlocking dislodging all these like really troubling repressive worries. That's so good. It's like smoking weed. But anyway, back in the day when I was a five year old girl, and we had just moved to the United States, my dad in a gesture of goodwill and bonding came home one evening. When my mom and I were like posted up on the couch watching a horror movie and presented me with a Barbie. Oh, do you remember which one? Well I'm getting to that. Yeah. Yeah. This is this is a sad and fucked up part. It was like kind of like a weird Mexican Barbie

But I think he was trying he picked a Barbie that looked like me as a little girl. That was swarthy Yeah, she was a swore-thoid Barbie, Caucus-Oid Barbie. Yeah. And I rejected it because I wanted the classic stereotypical blonde Barbie. Yeah. And that's like one of my most haunting memories ever. Well, the beginnings of the father daughter Rift.

Mathematician. Or meaning Barbie., Armenian Barbie. Ray science Barbie. I played with the doll. I had a diva star doll. What's that? Is that like the head that you make up? No, they were in early, they were like post-furby, but they were like hard plastic with a big head and big shoes because they

like spoke and you could press a button on their shoes to make them like say various phrases and then clip different outfits on them then they would like respond to. They're like the boop and boop is really what the problem is with affirmative action in this country. The boop boop. Theyop boop. Yeah, they censor you. When you try to use esoteric slurs. But they were kind of proto-brat stalls, but not as slutty and interactive. And I remember being attached to mine, which was blonde, but I did want the brunette one.

Interesting. Why? I'm a little... Well, yeah. I'm not a docksman, but I have naturally brown hair. And so I wanted one that resembled me more. And I thought the brun Bruno was a little more interesting and the blonde was just ginger.

Right, yeah. Well, yeah, in retrospect, I came around to a diversity of Barbies. And I remember actually, because my sister and I were like into hip hop and R&B, we had a lot of black Barbies randomly. That's cool. But yeah, this unlocks another painful memory that I experienced in Toy Thress and my

mom when we were shopping and she tried to get me this kind of Barbie knockoff doll. Yeah. And that was like larger in scale. Hmm. It was like almost life sized, which in retrospect would have been the greater prize, but you could have been even more near. I was, I was such a consumer and conformist that I like through a tantrum like how to fullen chimp out and made

or get me the regular Barbie. Yeah. It's sad to bump up against the limits of class as a try. Yeah. It's because yeah, you don't understand and it is wounding, I think, for parents. Yeah, because you implicitly reject them, which... Well, they're not able to provide you with, like, yeah, I had like really shitty. Yeah. I mean, I had... I didn't have a lot of toys. Because in addition to being very poor, we like moves a lot.

I wasn't accumulating many objects, but I had a vivid imagination. We both were quite the illustrators. Yeah, the children because that's free. But now I see myself making the classic overcompensating parental mistake where I just like buy Lenny whatever he wants. And like buy my sister whatever she wants. My sister commented when we were on the cape. She was like, just because I say something is cute doesn't mean you need to buy it for me. Well, it's her love, love, love.

Now that you mention it, I think it comes from this early scarcity. Confusing, yeah, like brush with scarcity and privation, yeah, for sure. Yeah. Yeah, I definitely have childhood recollections of like not being able to have. I stole a smurf doll from like a plush, smurf that doll from one of my neighbors in section eight housing.

Did your parents take a hit of that? She came to my house and like found it. And I like tried to hide it, so I was such a little, yeah. Collepto even then. But yeah, I remember coveting things that their children had and trying to take them for myself. Yeah, but that's normal.

I mean, children are really great because they lay bare the narcissism and amorality of human nature. Yeah, bubbling under the surface of human civility. Yeah. And they're capable of like great acts of sympathy and kindness, but also capable of like extremely psychopathic and anti-social behavior. Yeah. Once especially little girls.

Yeah. Yeah. Can be quite quite cruel. Well, yeah, Louisiana K had that bit about how a son will like destroy your apartment and destroy your wallet, but a daughter will like shoot you with her in glance or say something totally demoralizing. Yeah. I'll leave a mark on your soul. I wonder what horrible things I said to my parents and I was a little kid. I wonder what horrible things I said to my parents and I was a little kid. I remember my mom being very horrified once because I must have been like five or so.

Maybe a little older because I was reading and I was very into the supernatural pices. So I also poor. I go to the library and I check out weird. Escape as- Yeah. I would check out weird like children's books about like near death experiences or like stuff like that. Ghosts. And I remember once like lying around with my mom and saying I remember once like lying around with my mom and saying, innocently in my mind, but I was like thinking about dying, I guess, and I was like, you're not gonna die. I said, you're not gonna die soon.

She was like, what is wrong with my, you're just like, talking. I was having a truce of thoughts of death. But I remember being like, that don't say something. I don't help. Don't talk to people about when or how they're going to die. You weird little girl. My therapist said an interesting thing to me on that note

about how, because I was telling him about how, when I was a child, I had this intense fear of abandonment, which was actually like really unwarranted and ill placed I was telling him about how when I was a child, I had this intense fear of abandonment, which was actually like really unwarranted and ill placed because my mom had us in like an after school art program and she would always show up. But I had this crippling fear that she wouldn't show up for whatever reason. I don't know, immigration trauma, childhood whims, it's normal. And I remember being gripped by this concern that something had happened to her

or something like that or could happen to her and my therapist said, well, that was just like a cope, a proxy for the fact that you had like unresolved unexamined feelings of resentment toward her. Interesting. Because children are often annoyed and resentful of their parents, but they can't process that. Yeah. I had a diary entry that I uncovered from my twines where I described a vivid fantasy of wanting to be kidnaps. And like, but like, nothing has changed. Yeah, I wanted to be like abducted, but by like kind of a benevolent man.

And then at some point, like returned, you know, to my family and like, in an amazing act of, it was very detailed and weird actually. Yeah. And then like, in a weird, like almost like saintly act of like compassion, I would like defend, defend her from like the imprisonment and then we would go on to become like great friends. Yeah. So yeah, I think there's part of like obviously, I think there's a natural part of childhood that is like the terror of being a orphan or a band and but there is part of it also that's like a fantasy of like, I was really into the movie and book The Little Princess.

Yeah, about the girl in boarding school was like dad is like a conrad-esque colonialist who goes missing. And she becomes like an orphan. I definitely entertained some orphan fantasies. Yeah, but those that were full, that also complicated with fear and dread. The psychiatric profession would argue that those are unprocessed feelings of anger

and hatred toward your family. Yeah, probably. That's like the auto-carnberg line about how the narcissist, like all children are pathological narcissists, basically. And you grow out of it, ideally, as you age, and as you like enter into the realm of like human relations, but he talks about how like Children have these like devouring thoughts of their parents Like he talks about specifically a patient who had these thoughts of his mother is like a devouring bird

and he couldn't is like a devouring bird and he couldn't reconcile that with his other image of her as like a doding caretaker. So then you have like the classic splitting that goes on into like adulthood where people are only ever idealized or villains. Yes. Liberalism. Exactly. The seeds of liberalism were planted early. Well, did you ever read the drama of the gifted child? I started it. You gave it to me. Oh, yeah. Well, that's, yeah, that's about when parents, when children are parented by narcissists,

they're she uses that term pretty broadly and not necessarily pathologically, but it's like it disrupts a child's normal narcissistic development because it forces them to parent themselves. Yeah, they become parentalized, yeah. But Winnecchi also has this idea of the good enough mother, and that I think is a really useful as a child, this person, I think is a very useful concept for reconciling, like the devouring mother with the perfect idealized mother

because it's about just being kind of good enough and not overly sacrificing or overly present or overly neglectful, it's about really just hitting this sweet spot. Yeah, I mean, being overly sacrificing or overly present is its own sort of emotional manipulation, which is exactly the smothering mother or whatever. I wonder to what extent Greta Gerwig's rendition of Barbie was her processing her own feelings about motherhood.

It definitely occurred to me. Yeah, and actually to say a nice thing before we tear her apart. Yeah. There was a lot of that shitty post-internet stock footage of like, or maybe it wasn't even stock footage, maybe it was manufactured specifically for the film of kids and parents frolicking

and turning into bittersweet memories. Yeah, yeah. It was like filler. But definitely the parts that that drew a tear from me concerned the character of America for era and her surrelete-aged daughter. Which called back a bit to Lady Bird. I think more than Gerwigs feelings about herself being a mother. I think she's still processing some like mommy daughter stuff. Yeah, yeah, like a motif in her work. Because she has a son. Yeah, with a bone bomb. She's a boy mom. She's a boy mom herself. Yeah. I got a little emotional in the in the Barbie movie, but it was like, I was like pull it together.

But it's helped manipulate. Yeah, I was like, this don't, don't buy into this. Yeah, yeah. Lackermost beat. Yeah, Greta Gerrreg, a real great emotional terrorist, because she knows what she's doing. She is and she's no, you know, she's no friend to women. Why do you say that?

Mm. A lot of anecdotal kind of evidence. I encountered her briefly when I was in extra in the Mike Mills movie 20th century women feature featured extra but I was a like tertiary and a couple of scenes of hers and she just seemed very um very um uh yeah like she doesn't like girls I think like girls as in younger women or other women both okay I don't think she has a lot of female friends and um well she famously you know home wrecked, bonebock, and Jennifer Jason Lee, who we stand with, here at Redskirpide, not that I like even can begrudge anyone for home wreckering.

Not that I've done it, but like, you know, I'm a French temperament. Like, you know, things happen in life. I get it. It's not like the gravest sin, certainly, but yeah, I just think she's a little bit conniving, and I don't think highly of her. Well, in like a personal sense, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, conniving and I don't think highly of her. Well, in like a personal sense or a professional sense or both.

Both. Both. I liked her sort of as an actress. I feel a vague affinity for her because she comes from mumblecore roots and has achieved great heights, but I don't think she's a talented filmmaker. Yeah, it really is hard to say because has she ever really made a film without the help of Noah Bombak?

Like it seems like there would do. I remember Steve Saylor can't go on episode without mentioning that guy, but he had this tweet about how actually Noah Bombak is no friend of feminists and is secretly in on the joke because he's like a film chad and is like handsome and powerful. But I actually think Bomback is a feminist ally

of one kind or another because he graciously offers to ghost right all of his wife's films in the guise of co-writing them. He makes sure that there's like a shared co-writing credit. Yeah, though I didn't see white noise his last film. I have any of those. His last film. I have any. His last film.

I'm a fan of bomb backs filmmaking. I am as well. I like his, his, he, he falls into that genre of directors for me that's like Whit Stillman and Eric Romer. Well, that's, so those are big end-of-the-world. Yeah, yeah. He's like, they're air, I guess. Yeah.

Yeah, he even and kicking and screaming worked with Chris Eglstin. I think his name is one of the stillman. Oh, right, right. That guy. We should have that guy in the pod. I think he follows me on Twitter. I would love to, honestly.

He has such a great face. I'm, he, like, he's like the new Argentine front runner for president He in Barcelona Chris Eigman. Sorry, Chris Eigman is his name He's like them my dream man with the eye patch and the uniform. That's it yet doesn't get any better for me than that Yeah, he has like an interesting kind of old world face. Yeah, it's a complicated face, a face of profundity. It's not just like merely a hot face. But yeah, I think bomb back as a filmmaker was really

able to achieve the kind of seemingly vapid and light hearted, but actually profound quality of a wit stillman or an eric rumour. Like they're they're very light-footed filmmakers. Yeah and they're like mundane but dramatic enough and like deal with you know bourgeois which I enjoy. And to be charitable, to grow it, I think, like, yeah, when you're in a relationship with someone and, like, creatively collaborate with them, inevitably their influence will be felt. It's not for you need to say like how what like the division of labor Yeah, yeah, like how it up fully like breaks down and how much credit she deserves or is warrant I'm not I'm not an IQ clerk. I'm not trying to like beam count what percentage

They both executive produce. Yeah, directed directed the co-ro like obviously. Yeah. And also to be charitable to Gerwig, it's very hard to say based on Barbie alone, whether or not she will go on to be a great filmmaker because it's like when the opportunity arises to make a mainstream Hollywood film, you take that shot.

She's already shooting a shot. Lady Bird was acclaimed and I think a fine movie, but basically overrated. And just sort of given a lot of credit for having a feminine POV, which used to not be so like unusual or warranting merit on its own terms and Little women I actually think I like I haven't seen either of those I was Super horny for Louie Corral Mm-hmm, and I think that was a very smart like casting decision on her part and I think she's like

was a very smart casting decision on her part. And I think she's competent enough. I'll say again, I just don't think she's a great talent or a visionary. And I think. She's a good enough director. She's a good enough woman filmmaker. She's a good enough female filmmaker. Barbie was like, well, okay, I hated it. I resent having to watch it, didn't want to see it,

knew, kind of, I wouldn't like it, but when it tried to go in with an open mind, I think it did. Also with like big kind of studio films like this, they are made. It's hard to say how much creative freedom she had. And what was like wedged in by committee or whatever. But it was like formally experimental in certain ways. That then I think we're so we just saw it. So I'm still processing. But she did do certain things formally that were experimental that then made a lot of the plot devices. And well, it was hideous. All first of all, right? It was just, aesthetically, a very like, assaulting and like ugly movie that looked like shit.

Yeah. And, um, yeah. And then it ended up doing so much of like telling instead of showing that it could have done because it all had already given itself certain freedoms and liberties in terms of the approach to filmmaking. Well, yeah, of course, Barberbee has spawned so many different nesting dolls of discourses, like the in-cell rage discourse, the mid-discourse, the feminism discourse, etc. But I didn't even see it as a movie about the current political climate or contemporary gender roles because it was so like incoherent and hodgepodge.

Like that was the main, it was like a bird's eye view into like the incoherence of the liberal mind basically and you said something smart when we were leaving the theater. That was like I don't even know, I don't know what I just saw. I don't know if this is even a movie. I don't even know what a movie is anymore. And it reminds me of like, that point I was beating to death in like 2018, 2019, about Uncut Gems that it was like the first meme movie

that it wasn't like a formal film as such. It was a collection of sequence of memes. Yeah, there's no way to even take it in or watch it the way you would a formal film as such, it was a collection of sequence of memes. Yeah, there's no way to even take it in or watch it the way that you would a normal film besides, to like perceive the meme potential. Right, and actually, it generates. Our minds are primed to like make sense of it all, but there's actually no making sense.

Like every step of the way it thwarts your ability to understand what's going on. It was like, yeah, incredibly frustrating. Yeah, and it's like so Barbie World is a feminist utopia, but is actually a seamless, and frictionless, niche-y in dystopia where people are really happy on the surface, but actually some of them have the aristocratic ones have like intrusive thoughts of death.

But because of certain things that happen in the real world. The real world. And the real world is like a disgraced and humiliated patriarchy where the men have gone underground and manipulate and stealthy and unofficial feminine ways. Yeah, it had like, it was the, it had very much this liberal pitch of like, quippy, stupid, like self-awareness. The thing that really started to get under my skin The thing that really started to get under my skin about it very early on, which I despise mainly about it was, I was like, it feels like it's like a movie for children.

It's like so pandering and condescending that it feels like a movie for babies, but it isn't, because it's like a little self-aware, and it's like, but it's not, so it ends up being like neither for children nor adults. And it becomes like this film that's foreign audience of this like for a very like- Like in Fantalist, the dog is-

Yeah, a stunted like retard. And I resent that. I don't want it to be in that position. I don't want to be the audience for this. I mean I think that that's probably why we dragged our feet so long in seeing it. I remember telling like Eli's mom on the cape because she was like, oh are you guys gonna review Barbie for the podcast and his aunt was like, are you gonna review Barbie for the podcast and all my friends are like, are you gonna review Barbie for the podcast? I don was like, I don't know, I guess I have to, we felt compelled, yeah, because we're, how passive and consul-

And it's our wheelhouse. It's like you gotta give the people what they want. It is, you know, this is, this is, we know how to butter our bread, whatever the saying is. But I had this, like, what side of bread butter is? We're voting, feeling of dread and doom.

And I told her like, I don't really have any desire to see this movie or Oppenheimer. And I think she thought that I was being like a political contrarian. But it's really not for any like political or ideological reasons. And actually, you know, that review that you sent me by Armand White, America's Premier Black film critic. I wanted to revisit it, but White. Yeah. America's premier black film critic. Yeah. I wanted to revisit, but forgot. Yeah, we forgot.

But I think the one thing that I remember from it was him talking about how the film was too overdetermined to on the nose because it was this grab bag of millennial political references from the 90s and the 2000s that no longer have any bearing on the real world. Exactly. It felt very, like the insights and observations that it offered were very mundane, like 2011 era. But even now I think he's maybe giving it too much credit. Because it's like they they tick all the boxes, but they don't

actually spin a coherent narrative either way. Not that a movie has to have a coherent narrative by the way. No, not's not my issue with it. Because I think that can be done well with certain like experimental. form. Yeah, we're like yeah like style like stylistic or like aesthetic Choices that are made, but this was I didn't have that I didn't have Yeah, it didn't have like a point of view Which also films don't need but this it had the effect similarly like the meme of a point of view Yeah, we're talking about in cells and feminism and the patriarchy and the patriarchy but this, uh, it had the facsimile, like the meme of a point of view. Yeah. We're talking about in cells and feminism and the patriarchy and the patriarchy,

the constant invocation. Yes. So like the patriarchy and we that was like, didn't mean anything even. I enjoyed Will Ferrell. I always do. Yeah. It felt like he was doing some improv. Yeah.

They gave him a long leash. He carried them over on his back. I thought, yeah, it just was really like any of it's like metaphysical or like existential, like it made me really not wanna see white noise as well because I was like, oh is this going to be the same? Like existentialism 101, like undergrad course work of like someone thinking they're smart. Like that thought it made me like think about them writing

the script and feeling like chocolate and the other out of themselves for their little dumb little fucking quips. Yeah, and it was just like a lot of like extremely online references and knowing Jewish jokes that you could see coming from the mind of bomb back, but then which were like designed by committed into like these like acceptable, lived hard quips.

I thought Ryan Gosling was kind of, he, he's showing a bit in his like comedic chops. He did some good like physical comedy. Yeah, I have to say I, I feel very bad and guilty because I've always kind of short changed Ryan Gosling because he's like supposedly this leading man I've never found him particularly compelling or attractive Same he's like too long and narrow face to play Ken Well the casting and Arman White made this point as well that we

brought up. Yeah Margot Robbie is not the four Gerwigs kind of far be. She's perfect, but she's not really like doll like. Yeah, she's like Gerwigs idealized vision of herself. Exactly. But I have to say like in motion, he defied expectations because he does have good comedic timing and he has actually a very good voice.

I think the standout of the film for me was Rhea Pearlman, the wife of Danny DeVito who plays Barbie inventor Ruth Handler. So like ostensibly. This is a film about again like the contemporary political climate and modern gender roles, but to me it was like literally an allegory for repatious jays. Taking control of Hollywood and culture and like children's toys and children's programming and making it into like high-minded moral crusade, the ordeal of civility. Yes. A pay-on to unlimited immigration.

I can't. It felt really like Fukushima the end of cinema. To me, I was like, this is the last movie. Yeah. And it's fitting now that the industry is in shambles. This is the last movie. But maybe think of how all the leading architects of American culture are basically smart Jewish people from Brooklyn, by way of Ukraine, who literally wrote all the Christmas music. Like they kind of identified and determined for Gentiles what their culture would be.

Right. They made this like perfect wasp. Yeah. Woman. The Barbie doll. To middle 20th century who was named after Ruth Handler's daughter Barbara. Yeah. Which Margot Robbie in the end pays homage to when she goes to the gynecologist, which is like the other Jewish profession. The gynecologist is the church of the liberal faith. And it circles back. She goes to get an abortion.

Yeah, she does. And it circles back to like that intro scene, which was also like a very on the nose homage to 2001, a space Odyssey. But like also barely thought through. Yeah, like really just like the, the sign of like the music and the like, the girls smashing the baby dolls and a lot of worry for abortion for late term abortion. And fans aside, let's call it what it is.

We all were thinking it. But yeah, also, yeah, like you said just really cheap Just like surface level like referent like the yeah the constant references the like cheeky Stupid liberal voice like made me want but that blow my fucking brains out That's now just like a hallmark like a signature of all cinema If you watch the previews for any movie, you get the idea. It's like pop patrol and troll dolls.

Yeah, yeah, we always make it like a clipy scene. I'd lift her to her marks. Yeah, the previews that we had to sit through, also made me feel unwell. And like I was like, I thought of you actually, and it was like, is like, is Lenny gonna watch? Like, I know babies of Paw Patrol. Yeah, they were. Which is a Blue Lives Matter show.

So I'm politically aligned with them. They're like, a police dog. They're like, a police dog, yeah. They're like, come on gang, let's round up some black criminals. Yeah, the patrol. I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, come on gang, let's round up some black criminals. Yeah, the trolls movie looks like, I was having a fucking stroke. Yeah, it was horrible. And I just got trolls even more than Barbie growing up.

But yeah, and that brings me back to like, Armin White's point that there were all these unnecessary shoehorned liberal shibboleths dotting the movie which are fundamentally untruths like when Barbie and Ken leave Barbie World and parachute themselves into the real world by way of Venice Beach and Barbie's getting a cat called by men and the first group of men to cat call her are like white, frapp boys dressed in preppy clothing. Always, yeah. Yeah, always. Of course, that's who's talking to someone's doing the cat calling.

And it's these white devils. I mean, why is there a fat Barbie? And why do we have to... Like, that's never really addressed the way that some of the other like off-brand Barbies are. It makes like some like cute little references to like the apparently metal manufacturer like a pregnant Barbie briefly. Midge, yeah. Who's like alluded to and then it's like there's a sequence at the end where they introduce some of the failed Barbie designs

and the non-Margo Robby Barbies are meant to, you know, reflect the diversification of the Barbie franchise, but then there never was like an obese one. There's never a fat one. And we're just supposed to take that as like, it's so insulting to just be like, oh yeah, of course there's like the fat one. Yeah, like. And it's much easier to believe that there was like a trans barbie or a disabled barbie. Or wheelchair, yeah, wheelchair barbie, whatever. Because all dolls are fundamentally trans and disabled.

They're nullified. They have the, yeah, The copped genitals. Yeah. I don't remember there being quite so many multiracial can. There definitely was a black one. I had a black hand growing up. But you did. You might have thought.

I made them do all sort of freaky, deaky things up in the Jeep. Beep beep. Beep beep the cans were like overrepresented really. Pull up to my bumpa baby. And yeah, the fat Barbie got under my skin for sure, because she was not just a throwaway kind of like diversity casting, like if she was sort of a staple that they kept reintroducing. Yeah, and it begs the question. That's why I'm using that phrase incorrectly.

But then what is the difference between the real world and Barbie world? Exactly, because the right, the existential crisis that is brought on that Margot Robbie's character experiences due to the rift between the barbie world and the real world where she starts to get like a celly lay and become less perfect or whatever but then it's like then why are there then yeah, Zog attacks her mixer Ugly or whatever than like why are there

Barbies in the world that aren't per are be supposed to then It then just begs the question like are we supposed to believe that the fat Barbie then doesn't have cellulite or some like platonically perfect fat and why couldn't they cast Ashley Graham, who's the most beautiful plus sized woman in the world? Kate Upton. That's what it meant. That's as fat as I want my black and Barbie to get, you know? Yeah.

Oh. Yeah, it was really weird and confusing. No, the fat Barbie wasn't even pretty sorry, no fans. Yeah, they could have at least cast Beanie Feldstein. I mean, if that's, they basically did. They cast like a poor man's, Beanie Feldstein. Oh yeah, also Michael Sarah is the weird like, you extra unique of the Barbie world.

Yeah, Alan, as like the sex trader and scab of the Ken's, who goes along with the Barbie revolution. On clear again, like, is he supposed to be gay? Or is this supposed to be discontinued? He's like a unic. Well, they're all unic. Yeah, that's true. Which were to me the kind of the most amusing details, I guess, or when they like alluded to the anatomical realities of Barbie. The Barbie world is more real than the real world. How so? Because it's a long house. More Bidliobies obese people in nobody has sex. In the real world, it's like men are still wearing suits.

I like the choreography. Yeah, that part was fun. I felt like I was in a ball in the movies. Yeah, I love to see these, that's what 3D glasses on. That was enchanting, certainly. The costume design did not do it for me nor did the those production or set design and the cinematography was just really really

fogly like it looked like thrown together yeah and yeah and all like as as you mentioned the kind of the cutaways to the like memory, blurry reality, the bittersweet was also so cheap. Sheep and she, like, Lana Del Rey did a better job in the movie and the video games music video and she made that on like, I movie, you know, like, you couldn't find better,

like, you couldn't generate more compelling footage than what's like really, like like deeply, deeply banal. Yeah. And also, I think like back in the day when like Uncut Gems dropped, they did a really brilliant thing where their advertising campaign was basically run by memes. It was all memes, but they were really spearheading. And like, yeah, they were like,

deputizing people to make memes. And that was their viral marketing campaign. Yeah. But this takes it to a whole nother level because it really like self-referentially even like preempts the mid-discourse with that Helen Mirren narration aside, where she was like, I'm not perfect anymore.

Yeah, and then it's like spoiler. Like, it was a bad idea to cast Margot Robbie in this role where she has to pretend that she's an ugly woman now. Yeah. Literally like mad about her. Sooms in with a lib tart inner monologue that tells you what to think. Yeah.

This movie should win an Oscar. It probably will. It really is a brilliant feat of emotional manipulation. Yeah. I'm not against propaganda, aka emotional manipulation, but... Well, sound of freedom, which you haven't seen, but I did, was a masterful work of propaganda. I had me sobbing. Yeah. I had me like totally like gripped with like but I just don't want my propaganda to feel so unsuddle. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I want like if you're

gonna manipulate me at least like, right, why didn't you think I'm smart? Yeah, exactly. Don't insult my intelligence. Barbie. The other funny and interesting thing was how the Mattel HQ looked like FBI HQ and FBI HQ looked like what you would assume a typical corporate office would look like. Of course, Mattel signed on for this. Well, I've also, I'm also part of the reason I didn't want to see Barbie, besides having no interest in it, was the marketing was so intense that like everywhere I went for like the last however long it's been since it's come out like so host but like so many brands have, I don't even know, I don't know how they,

like I was at Blooming's the other day and there you had like a whole like Barbie and Saurra, they had a whole like, like area that was like blasting that Nicki Minaj Barbie song and everything was, like that coin shade of pink. Every, they had, they had the amount of like brand sponsorships that they were able to acquire for this film was honestly respect. Impressive. Yeah, they had like no one was able to like exclusively retail like Barbie merchandise. It was just so ubiquitous like everything was like everything is like Barbie

fight which sucks and is like all so I was already in a state of like extreme fatigue like the franchise even going into the film like I I just don't but I don't have like I, I just don't, but I don't have nostalgic attachment to Barbie the way that maybe it's some more like, I don't know, it's a movie for NPCs. Also, as Armin Dwight would probably say, like, the whole premise of a Barbie movie is in and of itself on its face, obsolete.

Yeah. Which then it tries to have some self-awareness around. Yeah, and like a desperate bid to seek relevance. The teen girl who's like, Barbie, you, we don't like you. And you've given women body image issues. And you're a fascist. That was my favorite part of the show. And when those mean teens

Called Barbie a fascist and she goes out on the curb and cries. Yeah, like this is how I feel on Twitter I'm saying when I'm being bullied by literal 19 to 23 year-old She's just like me for real with her beautiful blonde hair I mean I liked her beautiful blonde hair I mean, I liked her beautiful blonde hair. Margot Robbie in motion is really like special and spectacular. She has a nice nose and a brush. I see why she's a superstar. Yeah, at least she's easy on the eyes, you know. She's kind of a donk.

She's a pog. She's not pog, but she's, yeah, she looks good. And they made her body look good and everything. She looks great. Yeah. She was in like, is Charmy, like the performance, like, I have nothing really just bad to say about the performances, which were. Yeah, I mean, these are professionals.

They know what they're doing. Yeah. You can't go wrong. And they made the movie more pleasant than it otherwise would have been my opinion of the Barbie movie is not at all colored by the fact that I auditioned. Oh, I'm in. And it was not. Cat.

It's like asymmetrical face Barbie. Yeah, I mean, if there's a fat one, why can't we have a Chernobyl one? You're like extremely thin one. Interoxic Barbie. Yeah, I mean, now that I- It's just like, as a woman, you can't do anything right. You want to be thin, but you can't be toothed in, and you have to say that you want to be healthy.

And also, you have to always give Matt a pat on the back and give it to them in a diplomatic way and humor them. And you can't tell them what you really think. And it's just like. And is referencing the monologue given by America. What's the name of America? America Ferreira, who I still cling to this dream that one day Ryan Gosling will play Edward Snowden.

That's physiognomically the role that he's meant to play. They already made a snowman movie. I know with Joe's of Gordon Levin, the horrible casting. I haven't seen, I know that Zachary Kinto played Glen Greenwald, which was good casting. Yeah, very cool. Gay representation in the media. Yeah. But my new dream casting, America Ferraris, is AOC with that voice.

Oh my god, she has the exact same voice. She could do it. Where she was like, I was so scared on January 7th. You don't understand. I was just going to the bodega to snag a cafe seato. In my, what did she call it, trunk glass? In my trunk glass. With my Miss Lisa daughter.

Oh, oh. America for her would slay as a OC. She's aging out. They better make that. They better make that by. They could use that Irishman D aging technology. They could. She would do great. But yeah, that whole spiel that she goes on that then she delivers variations of over and over to quote like deep program the Barbies once can return from the real world to implement like a patriarchy in Barbie land and then brainwash

as all of the Barbies which is also something like that sounds and then yeah and then it's America, Ferreira has to deep program them by giving them like feminist real talk about the like trials and tribulations of a womanhood was a real like for all the other like stylistic liberties it took I was like damn they're really just gonna like spell it the fuck out yeah that's when it really hit rock bottom for me sitting through that that and then I didn't think you could get worse and then when Barbie decides to transition into a real woman and her and what's her name the actress Ruth?

O'Rea Pearlman. Yes when they are like in that kind of like Truman show as like liminal space or whatever That like really went on and on where she like describes to her the like pain and like ambiguities of the human experience. Like that also again like was really just like plummeted deeply and then it cuts the fucking stupid montage really take hands. It really was so cool. They really ran out of steam. It's like us in like hour two of the podcast. They were like wasting.

They do your best. Go beefing on, said. You could tell that they like really just like ran out of steam. They were drunk. They wanted to wrap it up. They could put it in. Yeah, they. So they were like, let wanted to wrap it up. They clicked for it. Yeah, they... So they were like, let's unload all of our most like,

edge-lord races takes. And this one moment where... Quick, say something. Like Margot, Robbie, and Rayapurl and are like, clasping hands on the Steve Saylor-ass golf course. Ha-ha-ha! Feel the dead air. I'm gonna say some stats.

Yeah. Brutal. I hope you animals are happy. We were in the club. That was fucking movie food. That was stupid as to. For your entertainment. That was really, really, really bad.

And it's actually crazy that that's allowed to pass this filmmaking. And as a mother, as an expert expert a connoisseur of children's media in the least creepy way possible as Will Ferrell says. I remember that back in the day children's books and movies were made for children but with the parents in mind because it was understood that you as a parent would be sitting there and consuming the media with your child. So there were always these really dark and brutal like mouthhousie and inside jokes tested into like raw doll or watershed down or even sesame street any like great work of children's programming which is I think like an underappreciated

and forgotten medium. Because I think like now underappreciated and forgotten medium. Especially nowadays. Because I think like now, like children's cartoons and movies are literally worse than porn. They're so pornographic. They've really made me feel like if I was a child that this would be something that would be like totally frying my brain and like destroying my mind.

You feel like literally like some kind of like Greek made and destroying my mind. You feel like literally some kind of Greek made and raped by Zeus. It's like, and I'm worth it like a swan or like a donkey. It's brutal, yeah. And everything now hits this like, middleing pitch of like, like as I said, neither for children nor adult.

Now, we're not a children, it's not, yeah. I Now, this is not a children's movie. I think this is notably not a children's movie. Or adult media is made for children. For stunton in fan-tilized adults. Because I sort of was like, oh, is this because we decided to sit all through all those previews and I was like, is this a movie for kids fundamentally? I was like, I was willing to kind of give it

maybe a little more leeway thinking like, oh, yeah, it's like, I guess we're seeing it for babies. But it's really not at all. Like this movie would not appeal to like a little girl. Well, yeah, also chiefly because little girls now like go on TikTok and like do face to. Yeah, they don't care about Barbie's, but even like they're selling their pussy back pictures.

They're on only fan. But yeah, but I don't think there was anything that like a child would enjoy or understand about the film, which it was also to its extreme detriment. But in like a, I think like a weird, she should have made her children's dreams. She could have, yeah. And then like peppered in some of her like stupid, middling feminists inside of her.

Yeah. Fun. What was I gonna say? That scene where the teen girls at the lunch table confront Barbie and color body fascist and also regular fascist is Greta Gerwig almost preempting the critique that this film is absolutely obsolete for younger people. That young people would clown on it. Well, that was always the notion, I think, I think that was always part of the concept.

Was that it would be this like, pomo reimagining of like this knowing, winking, Barbie franchise movie that like knows it all and is like above it and able, but it was so, it felt so, it felt short of that so much. Yeah. Because when I auditioned for it, they sent like kind of dummy sides that I can't remember if I signed an NDA it doesn't matter. They sent like kind of fake, they sent like a fake script that was better than the real script. No, but in the same tone of like vapid barbie talk but talk but like mentioning kind of more sophisticated like intellectuals.

I've just reconciled Catholicism and Nietzsche through the power of my mind. Exactly. I kind of like, I've just delivered that line. I have finally squared the circle of the dialectic. The rectum is a grave. Yeah, it was sort of, it was that tone and the notes that I was given from casting were like to be kind of like cheerful but knowing and like ironic, but like, you know, and I didn't want, I was ever be like, I'm not, they're not going to cast me on the

fucking Barbie, but that's, you know. And then when I went to, I said this to you in the cab, but I like, it was in winter. This was a while ago, this movie's been in the works. Yeah. Maybe even, they must have maybe even been pre-COVID. Because I was like, tracking through the snow, I would go somewhere and I like fell down and like showed up looking like real disheveled and remember being like, well, this just isn't, this isn't the right,

the right part for me. Fall down. I love when the baby says, mommy, car fall down, mommy, food fall down. It's when he like throws some more. Well, he was playing that game with me when we were driving back from Tim Dones, BBQ, where he kept hitting me. He was a rip. No, he was there.

He kept putting his foot in my face. And then I took a shoes off. And then he would do this thing. I was in the back seat with Lelitha Lennie who was in his car seat and then he would do this thing where he would like rub his feet. He would like bang his feet against the back of the car seat so that his socks would slip off his ankles and then he would put his foot back in my face and he would go, sock fell down. And I would put his sock back on,

and then he would do it again. And then I did it maybe 50 times. And then finally I took his socks off, and I said, I don't want socks, no more socks. You're ready to hit him out of frustration. You can admit it. And then he was screaming literally, like Hitler then he was screaming literally like Hitler He was screaming like suck fell down

And I just wonder where he learned that Like where this innate kind of will came out of your son. It's to abuse me. He's a puppy and airy Truly he's so he's so autocratic. He was he was being such a literally like Socks fall down mommy lay down mommy sit down Mad cute and a child but it's a great allegory for Radical He's a tyrant He's a philosopher. Yeah, sock fall down He's a philosopher. Yeah.

Suck! Fall! Down! I was like, you wouldn't even have socks on anyone like crying. He's like, yeah. Yeah, but that experience literally like encapsulates what it's like to watch the Barbie movie. It's like dealing with what is fat with a willful and petulant child.

Mm-hmm. Mommy, you could lose weight. I'm like a willful and petulant child. Mm-hmm. Mommy, you could lose weight. Ha-ha! You'll own nothing and you'll like it and your dolls will be fucking fat. I bet they do have a fat Barbie now on it. They might. I don't even know. I don't even know what I'm talking about.

It's like those dolls that like, they taught you how to make in like art class where you stuff a panty hose with like cotton balls or something Oh, I was thinking of the corn husk dolls. What are those? I think it was around like Thanksgiving Harvest season we would make like Native American dolls out of corn husks. I might use It amazing. I remember churning my own butter ones. Yeah, that's awesome. It's just really cool

What do they make a movie about that? Ha ha ha ha ha. Just a Warner, Herzog style document. I have a, you've been a 32 year old woman churning butter. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. I liked beanie babies. I liked beanie babies. Not to give a, not to give a, not to give Hollywood

any great ideas, but like, I was, I should make a beanie baby not to give it not to give me not to give Hollywood any great ideas But I was I should make a beanie baby movie. I was a beanie baby on To direct Yeah, the princess day and a baby is the queen of the beanie baby The tragic story of princess die is told Rare collector beanie baby, I mean the real... My Paddington Gay. Paddington Bay!

Yeah! But even more gay. Yeah, and I had a Bini baby, I had a monkey Bini baby that I had a little track suit that I would put on and I would pretend it was um, Aaron Carter. And I would get it was Aaron Carter. And I would get Austin Power. Austin Power. And I would give him a little kiss. I remember kissing.

So many people are actually dead. I was on Twitter the other day and encountered some account that was like morbid history or something. And they were talking about that Swedish DJ of EGT. Oh yeah, RIP also, right? Yeah. Who like I didn't even know his story, but like he went on like a boating trip

and was having fun with his friends in the woods and then he went home and like sliced, cut himself with a broken wine bottle and blood out. Which is, I'm sorry, I don't condone suicide, it's one of the worst acts you can commit. It's anti-catholic, whatever, you have to be condemned to hell. Yeah, yeah, it's a great deal. That was honestly so inspiring. I take back everything that I said about the Scandinavian on our last three episodes. Yeah, legit. They're so... Actually based those people. Well, I think that was maybe some

deutism serotonin depletion from... Yeah, but like, excessive molly use. Think of, like, if you were gonna kill yourself, you, as a woman, you'd probably choose pills. The most painless, but most attention getting way is that preserved your beauty so you can have an open casket funeral. You wouldn't cut yourself with a broken wine bottle. Definitely.

I didn't even know you could kill yourself with a broken wine bottle. That's an inner body bottle. Yeah, that's my guiver shit. This is why... Yeah, I would get a... Northern Europeans Conqueror's Saves. Or built Saves. They were ready to do what it takes. Yeah, if I was going to kill myself, This is why yeah, I would get a northern Europeans conquered the whole state or built civilization. They were ready to do it.

It takes. Yeah, if I was going to kill myself, I would get a, I'm sure I've told this anecdote on the pod before, but I would get a, what's it called? Like a colon flesh. Because you shit yourself with that. And I don't want that. I don't want people to find me Well, boo and stuff

So I would I told Kyle and when we went together I was like if I'm ever going to get like a colon cleanse. That's a red flag Yeah, that means that means I'm thinking about ending it all and I'm trying to keep a you know I don't want any like bowel stuff to come in between me and my like immaculate Perfectly preserved suicide. And you're gonna have to get a C-section girl. Why? Because what do you think happens when you're-

Oh, no, that's okay. I don't mind whatever. You're like, oh, that's a baby. That's all part of that, but I don't want to be, because I'm not dead unless something goes horribly wrong, knocking on wood, in childbirth, but I don't want my body to be found in a gorgeous night-gak conditiona-nic-ac condition, yeah. A feel't see why we needed another party to be honestly. When we already had it, we made with Barbie's, the depicted Karin Carpenter's struggle with anorexia. I'm actually such a Todd Haynes novice.

It's embarrassing because that one's like a little hard to find because it's pretty experimental. I need to get more into Todd Haynes and more into Todd Salons, is that a same? Welcome to the Dollhouse, my Fave movie's growing up. You should watch every Todd Salons movie's the only one. They all hit. I wish he would have made the fucking Barbie movie on it.

Yeah, they should have put like a sinister homosexual up to it. Like a real evil guy. Yeah, why? We just didn't need this. Barbie can only be faithfully rendered by sinister homosexuals or neurotic Jews, not a German woman who happens to be married to a neurotic Jew. So true.

It ain't right. Yes. Yeah. Only the... I wish that man who in Hand-soed the show girl outfit for my Made this movie because I think the attention to detail and the respect for the lore what a John Waters and make an incredible Barbie movie so true if only divine we're still

He could play the only fat Barbie I want to see is divine. Yeah woof dude. Really brought like just I'll reiterate again like really like the last movie. I was like the West has a fault then. They did it. like, we've reached the end of history. Movies have to be just be different now. We can't keep doing this. It really made me realize that, you know, there's this like back and forth, like very like recriminating war going on between men and women

where like the feminists claim that we still live in a patriarchy and the ins cells claim that we live in a long house and it's actually really unclear who's governing because it seems like nobody. There's no adults in the room. Yeah, that's for Jesus take the wheel. Yeah, everyone's like a drooling baby brain retard. I want to see a black Barbie movie. Yeah, starring the reanimated corpse of Alia. For sure. Yeah, AI generated Alia starring.

I've been meaning to rewatch that vampire movie, Queen of the Dan, starring Alia. We should watch that. And then there's also the, we should do a vampire movie, maybe from Halloween, we could do that and maybe another one. You see how crafty we are? But we didn't tend to step ahead.

And then there was also that Alia, like, interracial karate movie with them. No, it wasn't Chow Young Fat. It wasn't Jackie Chan. It was some other Chinese heartthrob that they tried to make happen. She accomplished so much in her short, brief 23 years. I remember exactly where I was when I, when I found out Aliyah died.

It was your 9-11, where were you? I was playing The Sims, which by the way, way more relevant than Barbie, I think. Somebody should make a simile movie. Or a millenns movie. Or Millennial movie. They need to be a sims movie. Because that's where I really got my like, horny weird stuff out is making my sims like, fuck, and do like intimate hugging.

Yeah, and like horny and like doing finding weird cheats to like get them to see them like unpixelated with their clothes off. And so there's weird stuff you can do in the sims. What were the sim Sims genitals like? Also like smooth and kind of non-discipline-y. Yeah, but they like you could, the Sims hot date expansion pack,

you could kind of get them to fuck. There was a lot of stuff you could do in the Sims. And that was, I was really into the Sims. And I was playing the Sims and listening to the Mulan Sims soundtrack. My friend Lucy's house and her older sister came in who bullied me really bad once and told me I had a piggy nose. What was her nose? They were Jewish. Obviously. That's why they presented my aristocratic upturned

a critic upturned, guayish, physiognomy. But yeah, her mean older sister once was like, you know, your nose a little upturned, like a little pig or something. But she came in and said, Alia died and I said, Oh no. So sad. Damn.

But yeah, they should, they should, I'll make the Sims movie. You should make the Sims movie. I'm not an actress, but can you cast me as the lady who goes on the computer while the baby burns? I'm open to cameos like Quentin crisp playing Queen Elizabeth in Orlando. Well, I would love to do more cameos You had a camera I know I know I know I know

Every I promise every movie I make Unflattering camp't be done. I just want the Sims Burning Baby Camp. Yeah, you'd be great. Please, we'll get you in that night, Gown. We'll get you on. Going on the computer to talk to quote, pure crap.

I want to Sims movie. I want a roller coaster, tycoon movie, which is another computer game. I was passionate about in that era. What was the one where they all died of dysentery? I used to play Oregon Trail. Oregon Trail. That's in your real house. Definitely.

Yeah, that's why I was ecstatic. Certainly. I loved when my mom dropped us off at Zany Braini, which was this central Jersey Toy Store chain. And my sister and I could go on the computer and play Oregon Trail for hours. So cute. Yeah, that was huge.

Yeah. Nothing's changed. I'm still on the fucking computer. I'm still on the computer. And you're still sharing those stories of weird little monkeys and trackies. I can't get about. Like think about it. Think about it.

How crazy it is. That, I know. I love, I've always loved to see a monkey wear people clothes. Yeah. Even though I know the monkey doesn't like it. Yeah, and it's animal abuse. It is. Especially in some of these accounts I follow,

like these monkeys are not being taken good care of. And actually, you know, another sad and bitter sweet memory I have, which I made derail the conversation is, it's not even a memory. It's like a second hand narrativeization for my mother. When I was like a beautiful four year old child, my mom took me to some like weird, like circus funhouse in Moscow. And I do remember wearing like a baby blue, a powder blue frock, a tradwife dress. And she made me pose with a monkey and there was like a professional photographer who took photos of the pigs. Well, yeah, the sad part is that the picks were somehow inexplicably destroyed or never developed.

So my mom and I have this weird, like codependent blade runner ass, replicate memory of me holding but I do have like the visceral, like I have like a prusty and memory of the monkeys, like cold clammy hands, like touching my arms and legs. Yeah Damn, yeah, it's too bad. It's so sad. Maybe I could generate something Maybe some maybe some pay pigs or simps could Generate the archive just make sure I have a bowl cut y'all because that's what I was rocking back then I really hated my bowl cut. Did your mom actually put a bowl over, my mom put a mixing bowl over my head and cut

around it? No, I went to like super cuts or something and they gave me a very uh, Curtis Yarvan But that was, this is when we lived in New Jersey actually and it was not not my best air. Yeah, it was very like chunky and just not, I don't know. Okay, but Tasha, my biggest beef with the Barbie movie. Like, forget all like the fogly aesthetics and like the incoherent narratives, whatever was in that moment when America for Error gives her like soaring AOC style monologue. And then as later consoling Margot Robbie and says,

well that's life, babe. Life is all about change. Actually life is not about change. Like Pareto principle, and 80% of people's lives and nothing changes. You're like, you're literally in your mid to late 30s, still doing the same shit you were doing in central Jersey or Las Vegas as a child.

No offense, but it's true. Yeah. You don't really change. The circumstances around you shift and morph, but you're still the same old you. Yeah. Which is really the lesson of child psychology. Right.

That your personality is basically ingrained due to early trauma as you experience and then no, nothing, nothing ever gets better. Yeah, no, I mean, when she, literally when she was going on that rant Which is interesting that that I don't think that landed really with anyone because that hasn't been I haven't seen any like Memification of that portion of the film really like the way that like in Gone girl, you know, she gives that a video about like the cool girl, how the cool girl like eats hot dogs and whatever. And that like has become sort of

um, demified and solidified. It's like my club or American history acts for women. Yeah, but this I think fell really flat in eye and especially was kind of like, I don't know what this bitch is talking about Like I don't actually relate to any of us. I don't feel any of these like None of these like feminist talking points about

Pressures it's all her head babe. I like don't have these experiences Of like oh, I have to be so well liked of like, oh I have to be so well-liked. I have to be thin, but say I'm healthy. It's like, no, we openly announce that we're deeply unhealthy. Yeah, or you have to like, you have to cater to men, like walk on eggshells around men. Or no, you can just be openly cruel to them

and they'll worship you for it. And you don't have to be liked actually. Actually, it's very lucrative for people to hate you and develop a pair of social negative attachment to you. It's been very much to my bad. It is very lucrative for people to literally develop a negative parosocial attachment to you where they imagine you, however subconsciously, as the grandiose narcissist who gets away with everything and gets to do whatever they want,

while they're the kind of covert narcissist so they wouldn't put it that way, who's actually a moral and decent person who only doesn't get what they want because they wouldn't stoop to your levels of like attention getting or whatever, Like, ISIS T-gate. Yeah. Yeah. But that whole like, yeah, like description of the female experience I really was like, yeah, who's high school? I don't live in rent free. I don't feel that way. Yeah, who's high? Don't live in rent free.

I don't feel that way at all. I mean, we're kind of unique in that. I know we're so special, but no, I just not like materially, circumstantially, because we're like, uh, podcasters, we're podcasters. We're in a way free agents. No, it's true.

It's true. And I shouldn't. I mean, I finished finish female voices who might Really to ask that but I just don't I think it is like fake and gay and Oh really kind of like a mindset thing. Well, no, it is it's like the classic covert narcissist profile Where you can convince yourself that you're like a better, more virtuous person because you never allow yourself to stoop that low. And it makes you feel better about

the kind of mundane and changeless quality of your life. No offense. And there's many feminists who are trapped in that hamster will. So to all the female listeners, I say like rage on the asses, but responsibly. Just know what you're doing. Yeah, I just take some responsibility for being evil. And I wonder if this is like how Greta Gerwig actually feels or if she's... It can't be. She's like also an exceptional, not in the positive term, but as into the rule, like she is, yeah, has warmed her way.

She's like the high, the height of high. You know, made like a blockbuster, whatever, Mattel branded fucking stupid ass movie, studio film, yeah. Studio film, like through, yeah, her feminine wiles and like star fucked her way, but out there. It's like, let's be honest, that's the thing, it's such a fucking lie, it's all like, I hate the lie. Well, it's a defense mechanism to prevent you from confronting the fact that you've been ruthless and opportunistic. I'd have so much more respect for her if she was. Yeah, people really owned up to it.

People like you more if you're honest about what you are. Yeah. When some people, some, but yeah, but when people have like real deep seated contempt for you, it's because you're lying about the nature of your being. No, I think sometimes people have deep-seated contempt because they're lying to themselves. Yeah.

And they can't like stand certain things that they see out in the world that they can't acknowledge within themselves, which is that their own capacity to be like, yeah, like Ruth, this and cruel. And like evil. Yeah. Their ability to like evil. Yeah. Their ability to harness evil. Yeah.

Which like you can't deny or get around if you're to be like any sort of like basically contempt. I'm not talking about happiness. I know that's unattainable in this life. But well, anyone who's also like ambitious in any way has had to burn some bridges. Yeah. And that's why it also I think felt so flat. Because it's like, I don't think Greta Gerwig is the kind of woman who is like anxious to

be liked or not like step on any toes or like it was just like yeah the the monologue that was always the perception of her to be that she's anxious to be liked that's her whole like Tweet and Indie profile yeah but it's all fake it's all lies that she like tiptoed her way into home wrecking yeah she just who me and not came in like a bowl in a china shop. Yeah, where she's like, I want bomb back. Like a linebacker. Um, yeah, so I didn't really, I didn't believe it when America for I said it because like, when America fell, when I'm, yeah, because I didn't believe when I'm, yeah, because I didn't believe Gerwig when she wrote it.

I like, I think there's like a scripting problem where it's like they're her and bone-buck or fundamentally like unfit to voice any truth because they are like devious liars. If they're like, listen, cast me and we can talk. I'm like, it's hard. Yeah, I'll re-nag on my previous comments. Negging works.

If there's ever an H. Pearl Davis biopic, I just learned how to pronounce that word correctly. I think Greta Gerwig should play Pearl. Yes. Because she was recently on the cover of L and I like dead ass in my like Look like burrow drunken stupor thought it was Pearls she's on it what? Wow, she's on the cover of the She's on the cover of EV magazine

What happened to all the Great black female publications that were around all around we don't don't read them. Who do they have up in there? There was a woman in my acting class. Isa Ray. Isa Ray. No, an actress. She was actually in Boogie Knights. She was like a word of I don't remember her name. She was the first black blanche du Bois. And damn, in like a Broadway or off Broadway, maybe out of streetcar and was like a very talented, like working black actors who had like a small part

in booking nights as well. And she was featured in one of those, I think it was essence. But I forget her name. But they're around. I think those, yeah, they, they, they definitely still have those publications, which is they're not our radar. I would love to see an all black adaptation on ironically,

of street carnivan design. Well, it, it's happened. It's, okay, I need to see that. Yeah. It's a really good, yeah. It really does. Black story. Yeah. Yeah.

I see it all the time on my blog. Black Stanley Kowals. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um, did you listen to that,, the country song by the way?

Richman, north of Richmond. Yeah. Oh, I did. I did. Yeah. Yeah, what do you think? Um, it suffers from the same problem as Barbie. Go on.

Like, it's way too on the nose and overly politicized to count as a real art. But it's a meme. And it's a meme-ified. It's a meme-ified and that guy, what's the same Oliver or something? Oliver Richmond or whatever? Ain't got a dollar. Oliver. The redhead Appalachian man.

Yeah. He's become the new Kevin Costner meme. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I literally like went on like genius or something and looked at the lyrics. And the song, yeah, there's a bit of... There's some discord on the so-called right from people who are like, yes, this is like a populist anthem that is being like, has organically reached people

and they're responding to the raw emotion. And if you can't see that, you're just like a cynical coastal like, you're actually against us. Actually, the race war is rich people trying to divide the poor or the struggle. Who blah blah like just doesn't get it and like I liked the song because I am like a Sentimental slash cruel person who yeah, I mean I only listen to it the ones, but I was like I was like yeah You know, I was like oh look at him look him like, oh, having, he's like going fucking, like having convulsions.

He's like, in his face, he's like, doesn't look good in his like, he's poor and like, but I'm so out of touch and rich now that it actually made me like uncomfortable. But it made me feel like if I were to listen to like a slave song, I would be like, Colin response, gola gola islands, swing low, swing like I'm not in my apartment listening if I can swing low sweet chariot. I don't relate to that and like I can't pretend to just because it's like right wing coated. There seems to be a war on the right wing between guys who admit that they

have a contempt for the poor and guys who refuse who admit that they have a contempt for the poor and guys who refused to admit they have a contempt for the poor. Yeah, I don't have a contempt for the poor. I have, I'll be very honest like that kind of like Salt of the earth. No, it's the kind of like pained the it almost has like a, mm, as a Christian, I relate to the kind of massacism of it, but as a consumer, it makes me a little uncomfortable. It makes me uncomfortable for someone to be so like,

boohoo, like my life's so hard, because I'm poor, and I'm like, this just isn't, respect? He's not poor. Well, he is, he ain't got a dollar. This is handled. Yeah, I know, but like his handle only appeared on Twitter on like August 10th,

he seems extremely astroturbed. Well, that's the big debate. The real debate is, is this like a genuine anthem for the working poor or like an evil sign up of the pedophile elites or whatever. It's like, is this astroturfed or not? And like my answer to that, these things are designed to make you debate whether something is astroturfed or not

because people like appear out of the ether, like Andrew Tate, like H. Paul Davis, like people who have like actually a backlog of history and the sad reality, it's like, Tate, like, H.P.O. Davis, like people who have like actually a backlog of history and the sad reality, it's like, you know, you just need one hit. Yeah, Boudre, Sam, I think things now. Mathers are not artificially after a turf, they're like organically after a turf. I think I agree. If that makes any sense.

No, no, no, it's like the yeah, the mechanism reproduces itself. I Like the man. I like the man's soulful song. It's not for me Living in a new world with an old soul Is that what it's burgo problems? It's what lyrics Yeah, I wish politicians would look out for minors not just minors on an island somewhere Lord, we got folks on the street, ain't got nothing to eat. The end the obese, milk, and welfare. I think this needs some Bob Dylan, like the subterranean longhouse blues. Doshes in the basement, post and bout, right, Lingman?

Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Yeah. The lyrics that really got me was this one. Well, God, if you're 5'3", and you're 300 pounds, taxes ought not to pay for your bags of fudge rounds.

Young men are putting themselves 6' in the ground, because all this damn country does is keep on kicking them down. So true. He's a shape rotator, no more $1. I mean, yeah. If you're six foot four and mentally sick, taxes ought not to pay for you to chop off your dick. Right, the minors on the island, it's very like post-Sound you to chop off your dick. Ah! Ah! Right, the minors on the island, it's very like, post-Sound of Freedom.

It's an up-to-date scene, reference. It is, but Sound of Freedom is also about like, the islands, all the metaphor, the elites. And yeah, I am in favor of this becoming kind of a, talking point it has been for a while, but I like that it's crystallizing. And a way, I think it is a powerful piece of like, it is not, I think it is a good tactic to paint one's enemies as like diabolical pedophiles.

The works of art like this really negate and render obsolete works of art like the Barbie movie. Yeah, I pretty definitely prefer the appellation man. Who looks like a mashup of all the chappos. Mixed with a vache, strumming on his tiny banjo. The Jews have the tiny violin and the Appalachians have a tiny banjo. It's like deliverance. And the Chinese have have that thing one string that they play all the anxiety on the rings tears to my eyes on I say um

But I made this point on on Twitter And I'll say it again we already have very talented outsideer musician who hates politicians or used to or whatever. I had a problem with one politician and his name is John Hinkley Jr. and he's been... I've been standing John Hinkley Jr. for years. I literally... And people were like, oh, she's being cynical and ironic and shitting on this appellation

man, but like, unironically, no, not at all. I'm genuinely moved by John Hinkley Jr.'s music. I think he is like, I don't think he's quite as good as Daniel Johnston, because he's not quite as schizophrenic. But if you're into that kind of like singer songwriter, he's like the lowest weight of music. Yeah, if you're into that kind of like psycho guy, like with a guitar, look no further. John Hankley Jr.

And like he doesn't have a lot of listeners on Spotify. I look, I list because I listen to his music. I really urge everyone to check out some of his singles and the album he put out. They're beautiful. He's a beautiful. Okay, I'm not looking for him. That's what happens when you get old nobody cares about you

Well He's he tried to he shot around the Reagan. I know, but that's the sad thing about this like light speed quick silver online economy is that like nobody has any respect for the old heads I know yeah, like this Appalachian guyellation guy, he claims to hate these rich men or the rich men. Choose. But this is he talking about. He's talking about a guy called Morley Richmond.

He's talking about a guy called Morley Richmond. My landlord, one of the top seven least desirable land lords in Arizona. You know, there was a Jordan Neely list of like Michael Jackson impersonating like homeless people. Oh, landlord's in Arizona. You know, like there was a Jordan Neely list of like Michael Jackson impersonate. Oh, I'm like homeless people. And then there's also a Saul list circulating that was like

America's next top like diabolical Jewish. Oh, America's top violent Michael Jackson impersonators. Yeah, it's like some guy named like Bobby Cohen or something. A shell soul-racing who like I was under the impression for the longest time as a child that shell soul-racing was black He's not. Why would you think that because he kind of looks black if you Google him. Let's look. I think I confused him with like Bobby McFarran. Don't worry.

Be happy. That's a great song that my Boomer parents used to play. Yeah. That was the original. I guess he kind of does look like he kind of looks like Andrew Tates dad. Yeah, he looks like Mad Dole is all down. He's like the pushkin of children's books.

Oh, he looks so cool actually. Oh, he looks hot. I have a hair. That's a one. That's a one on the binary for me right there. Boy, are you Thomas Chatterton Williams dad? Hot. Yeah, really hot. Close friends with David Maum, and apparently.

Anyway, yeah, Hinckley, for me, John Hinckley Jr. Is he a 1 or a 0? A 0. Really fat, psychotic man. He's been recently released from some psych warden. It's now like selling weird cat paintings and making outside of music. But I know no shade to all of our Appalachia. What's his name?

What's his name? Hold on, I wrote this down. My phone made like a sickening flesh sound as I peel it off. I saw. Sally light Barbie, just kidding. I don't have Sally light. That's not one of my problems. Also, don't relate to that.

Yeah, I can't. What's his name? I thought people were talking at Jason Aldin, which is like... He's really, I mean, it's all, I get that it's not, that's also part of the, the asterturf debate that I think is like overlooked is like, there's like algorithmic work being done, where it's like the reason this man's in, is in my feet all the time, isn't like some concentrated, like, conspiratorial media effort, it's because like algorithmically the computer things like this is what I want to see and all over Anthony and he's just skyrocketed to But in here, all in here, living in the new world.

Living in the new world order, amen, brother. Yes, he does. He does know he's his personal. He has like those Alex Jones to your talking points. I wish he would have said Zog. And with Zog, when Zog attacks you and you're feeling bad on your god go on substack and read second city bureaucrat and the reparsalsism and group identity But Amazon ain't got a nickel for me

In the fireman movies got you down to say the patriots Oh making you frown We could really be songwriter Yeah, we are worse. I were songwriters What's the that's the thing. Yeah. We are. We're songwriters. What's the thing that you said on the BAP cast about a board of women? Yes, that's a Nichean. And Nichean is the idea.

And like today, even women with children are functionally a board of women. Yeah, yeah. Well, the best lyricists of all time are always like, portly Jewish, abortive women. They write all, like, the wind beneath my wings or whatever, Dawn Henley, a song, like, trending on Boomer radio.

I think we, you know, we put enough of our ideas up there. We have a medium that we're thriving. I don't think we need to ranch out. You're feeling down and have a lot of sorrow. Just go on Twitter and click on William Wheelbarrow. When you're rate limited in the group D.O. You got a bag Mr. Musk, bro. Josto sent. Oh.

Well, I think we covered it. I think we did. I think we did great. Imagine if we had a viral hit. I went. I did go on YouTube and read the comments. And it was like a bunch of people. But they hate being like, well, they felt like very astro-tariffed.

It was like, this young man knows what's going on in America. They're just trying to divide the poor. Yeah. But I think like you said, it's like the people just do it willingly. I wish I had talked in this accent all the time. It feels good. It feels good to talk like that. Did you see the video that was on Twitter

of that 93-year-old woman who was the last slave owner? Oh, I assume it was fake or a joke or something. And it was too grainy or something for me to concentrate on. So I didn't actually watch it now. I would love to learn how to simulate a mid-Atlantic accent. Anyway, what else do I have to write? I've said too much. See you now! See you now! you