Red Scare - The Great R-Word

Episode Date: October 19, 2021

The ladies discuss The Great Resignation, HBO's new Brittany Murphy doc,

We're back, we're back, hey, how's it going, it's good, yeah, I'm glad to be. Welcome back to New York. Thank you. Did you get enough of the Hollywood lights? Yeah, I like LA a lot. Yeah, I know. Don't move to LA. No, I'm not going to move to LA. I was thinking about like renting a house there for like, yeah, the cold winter months. By coastal. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah, that's a good solution. Because I'm traumatized by last winter, like being like, last winter was raw. Yeah, and I was like, and nine months pregnant, like huge as hell, sloshing through the rain and the snow to go to my appointments. Yeah. Wearing the same pair of leggings for up to six months. Waiting in the bread line. Yeah, exactly. Reckoning with those

supply chains. That'll be this winter, I guess. Yeah. I got my puffer dry cleaned. Your Japanese puffer. Yeah, that looks like a North Face, but isn't it? Yeah, it's like Japanese knockoff in the face. I hope that'll go for you. You're ready. I've never had it cleaned before. Yeah. So I'm ready for, yeah, to wear it for five months. Was there a market difference? Yeah, totally. That's smart. I should do that now and get it out of the way before it gets too cold. I did. I did finally like a big haul of dry cleaning because obviously I never ever do dry cleaning. It's nice. Yeah, it's great. I don't know how they do it. I don't either, but it's probably really carcinogenic and bad for the environment. Ancient Chinese secret. The French are dry

cleaning. A winter sabbatical could be good. Yeah. I feel happier and healthier in LA. Being in LA was the first time I was like, I can get my abs back. Oh yeah, you can get your abs back here, but it's harder. Yeah, I'm in a very healthy mode. Yeah, you look great. Thank you. I'm working out a lot and really trying to not. I haven't eaten Taco Bell in a week. Wow. Over a week and a half. Is that the longest you've gone? In a while. Yeah. Not ever, but in a while, I did eat subway today. But subway is kind of good for you because it has vegetables. I'm on the Jared diet. Yeah, has those supply chain vegetables? Yum. That were shipped from the American Midwest to China and back. So what is going on with the supply chain shortage? Your guess is as good as mine, sister.

Seems like fake news. No, I mean, I don't think it is, but I think there's just like a massive like bottleneck or traffic jam in the global supply chain that nobody bargained for. It seems like yeah, right, right. But wasn't that happening like in COVID? Yes. Early? Yeah. And it doesn't seem that bad. I mean, I think it's bad in certain areas of the country that aren't serviced as readily. Right. Such as Chinatown, New York. Just kidding. No, yeah. Yeah, I think it's bad and I think it leads to like a ripple effect of like unforeseen effects. Right. Of course, I couldn't get ASAP body scrub yet. I went four times and say I stopped starting. I was like, do you guys have the body scrub yet? And they were like, no. And then they called me shout out ASAP store. They called me

and we're like, we got the body scrub in and then I ran over and bought two. I don't know when this bottleneck is going to be. So I'm hoarding. Yeah. But that makes sense because it's Australia, which is reverting back into like a penal colony. Yeah. It's like a shipping container full of ASAP products. It's like detained in Shenzhen, China. Freedom. All of this stuff has like mounting real world consequences. Well, the labor stuff seems more pressing to me. But the great resignation. That doesn't seem like anyone's talking about it. Yeah. That's what I said when I had the baby is like that's it. I'm resigned. Yeah. To adult life. So wait, so we I read that Atlantic article that you sent me about the great R word. Yeah. Yeah. The other great R word sucks that we can't

call this episode the great R word. Yeah. We could call it the great R word. Yeah. And I mean, we still say retard. It's I know, you know, so what's famously the hill we're dying on. Yeah. You know, and I stand by that. And I think we have shifted things and it's people aren't people, people can't sustain outrage forever about us saying retarded. So I think in a way it's sort of the overton window has shifted. Yeah. Again, you have to keep expectations low. Yes. Always. We're like that iconic historic photograph of the soldiers in World War Two lifting the flag. Yeah. And the flex is retarded on it. Don't tread hard on me. Don't tread hard on me. Exactly. No, it's it's nice to be back in a familiar setting. I hate

I hate doing remote episodes. Hate is a strong word because I don't really hate anything these days, but it's not my preferred mode of podcasting. They don't hit like, no, like the live ones too. And I had to learn a new program. I don't remember if it was logic or garage band, but I didn't bring my computer stupidly. So I had to like, figure out how to like, crop out the mouth sounds and this new program. Oh, you do that. I crop out the dead air. But apparently there's some like algorithmic thing that will do it for you. I'm just too lazy to it sounds like a like a scam. Maybe. Yeah. Maybe wouldn't do it so well. Yeah. But we're yeah, that could be a fun thing for our fans. Yeah.

We let AI edit this post it. We should just build a robot to do the pod. Yeah, a proprietary cut out the cut out the middleman. Yeah. It's like a long, long sabbatical. No new jobs. Let the machines do all the work. Yeah. My year of rest and retardation. Oh, that's really good. Yeah, it sucks again. That stays here. I know. Yeah. In the in the privacy of our public podcast, the secret. Yeah. Don't tell. So yeah, I, I forgot what did he say? Derek Thompson in the Atlantic, the great resignation is accelerating. The great resignation is not the only R word overhauling the labor force. He talks about a bunch of different R words.

Yeah. Res resignation, resignation, recession, the great reset, right. The other are the great reshuffling. These are all related to the ebbs and flows of the labor market and supply chains. And he talks about like in April, the number of workers who quit their job in a single month, broken all time US record, and that record kept rising, quits as the Bureau of Labor statistics calls them are rising in almost every industry, especially in leisure and hospitality. Because of like the, the COVID benefits. Yeah. I mean, I feel like this is like a multi-factor thing. He, and he talks about how he thinks to several pandemic relief checks of rent moratorium and student loan forgiveness, everyone particular if they are young and have

low income has more freedom to quit jobs they hate and hop onto something else. I don't remember there being a rent moratorium. Yeah. I don't remember these things being kind of lasting permanent measures. They seem like they're temporary people are running out of there. Right. And he says quitting is a concept typically associated with losers and loafers, but this level of quitting is really an expression of optimism that says we can do better. It sounds like a big old cope to me, Derek Thompson. And then he compares it to the golden age of American labor, like the post war era. And says that contrary to the myth that a typical worker during this time stayed in a single job, their whole life and retired with a gold watch quote,

the truth is people in the 1960s and 70s quit their jobs more often than they have in the past 20 years. And the economy was better off for it since the 1980s. Americans have quit less and many have clung to crappy jobs for fear that the safety net wouldn't support them while they looked for a new one. The great rudeness. Yeah. That's the other one. Yeah. And he says that Americans are being rewarded for their lack of patience. And for workers, for employers and bosses, he says it must kind of suck to be a boss right now. Oh, well. Yeah. And this is coupled with the great rudeness, which is the the pressures of like short labor and supplies. Yeah, are causing people to behave rudely. Yes, especially toward like service and hospitality

stuff. Yeah. And then there's the great server and hospitality staff to check people's fucking Vax cards. Yeah, exactly. And in force. Nose and mouth, nose and mouth. This is what Asturda said to Eli on the plane when his mask temporarily slipped. Nose and mouth. Yeah. Well, the most immoralizing is when at airports, over the intercom speaker, they reiterate that and on airplanes, they reiterate how you have to put your mask on in between sips. Yes, that was they announced that on our flight. And they say it many times. Yeah. And it feels, yeah, makes me feel like a dog. Yeah. Lowering and putting on my mask in between sips or shoes. And then there's the great reshuffling, which is people and businesses moving around the country from kind

of urban hubs. Yeah, what do you what do you make of this, Anna? I mean, for starters, I feel like the comparison to like the golden age of American labor of the post war era is. Well, Ayatsi went on strike, the film crew workers, John Deere for their factory workers went on like a major strike. Right. And then an airlines is that they're striking and stuff happening. Yeah, Southwest, right? Yeah. And other ones I've heard. Yeah. Truckers in Australia. Yeah. I think that there's like the vaccination stuff is kind of the elephant in the room and not in that article that isn't that he doesn't really touch on. But I think actually the great rudeness implies like it's supposed to conjure up images of like hordes of unvaxxed January sixers like getting wasted

and wetting their pants and like demanding concessions from server stuff. But yeah, the post war comparison is like a frankly bizarre one because I feel like back then people left their jobs and found new ones because labor had bargaining power and there was also upward mobility in institutions and corporations. Like you could start out at the lowliest position, you could be like a mailroom person and then end up. Yeah. Kind of in upper management if you worked long and hard enough, but now that's really kind of like a figment of history. People now, I think people back then if they were quitting and finding new jobs, it was for an excess of opportunity. And now I think people are doing it out of desperation because in some cases it even

costs less to quit, move back home with your parents and collect your Medicaid benefits. Or be like a contracted precarity labor or some like evil app. Exactly. I had a really interesting conversation with an Uber driver in LA because you know how Uber drivers in LA long to talk. And he was talking about how he moonlights as a project manager for an elevator company, but because they're so short staffed that he's now doing the work of like 10 people for the same pay, which is low to begin with. Like he's taking way less than like the industry standard. Talk about rude. Yeah. But this whole article sounded like Bellagie wrote it or something. It's like trying to spin austerity into opportunity.

Yeah. You'll own nothing and you'll be happy. It's a great reset. Yeah. What does he say about the great reset in the article? Let's see. I wrote this down. The great reset. Meanwhile, the basic terms of employment are undergoing a great reset. The pandemic thrust many families into homebound lifestyle reminiscent of the 19th century agrarian economy, but this time with screens galore and online delivery screens galore. They and they call this the DIY family. I mean, aren't all families another fun mix on austerity? Yeah. People get to stay at home when you get to employ your children to you're doing it DIY. The new vision of work life balance that is still coming into focus. Yeah. And they claim that people are downgrading work as the centerpiece of their

identity when the reality I feel like is more likely that people as they kind of suggest a bit later are rethinking the work life balance, which was a tenuous concept to begin with and which has now become kind of like totally unsustainable. Yeah. Like the boundaries are blurred fully. Right. Yeah. I mean, I'm sure retail and restaurant workers are quitting in record numbers for like a ton of reasons. One that I can think of off the top of my head in like urban areas, especially it's like, well, you know, as office work has shifted to remote. Yeah. The businesses that service office workers are being gutted. Like restaurants, pharmacies, midtown is empty. Yeah. Yeah. People are kind of going back to the office though, at least in

New York. Yeah, temporarily, but a lot of businesses are employing these hybrid schedules where it's like three days at the office, three days of right, right, right. Yeah. Schools as well. Yeah. Oh, sucks. So again, it's not exactly your decision to have to have a DIY family full of work life balance, a DIY workplace. Yeah. And yeah, and he makes this kind of a nod to the gutting of small business with that kind of bitchy quip of it sucks to be a boss these days. Yeah. And again, I mean, I feel like this comparison is particularly evil because again, there's been a massive power grab and wealth transfer that benefits the people that had the infrastructure and inventory in place in the first place to prosper. It's been so like, it sucks to be a boss if you're

a small to medium business, but it doesn't suck to be a boss if you're like a multinational conglomerate. If you're a tech company that's providing people with all of the content on their screens galore. Yeah, or like a shipping or logistics company, those people are making bank off the backs of their employees who are like increasingly part time. I think like, you know, wages are stagnant, benefits aren't that good. A lot of companies have increasingly reshuffled their structures so that employees are part time so they don't have to pay them benefits, which you eat the cost of as an employee, obviously, of course. So there's all these factors that are frankly, like downright demoralizing. And it's been that way for a long time. Yeah, I just think, yeah, COVID has really

accelerated that. Yeah, done a number on, yeah. And so like this whole article, which was like kind of relentlessly optimistic, was ultimately kind of like sneering into contemptuous toward normies. It really is. It was like snubbing its nose at the normies. Yeah. And like telling them that actually they have more freedom than ever to do that do as they please when they don't. No, they can't even leave their house. Yeah. And you think of like, well, what does it mean that power and resources are agricultural models? Okay, it's kind of like a surf throwback. It's a fun retro take on surfdom. It's like nostalgia for feudalism. Lean feudalism. And then the other factor, of course, is like global homo companies and function, according to

this just in time model, where instead of like buying goods in advance and storing them in a warehouse, which costs money, they buy materials and products according to demand, which was utterly complicated by this supply chain crisis. And that demands also like a vast and unprecedented change to like scheduling. A lot of people, their shifts are more kind of last moment and predatory than ever. Like you don't know your schedule. Yeah. Yeah. Until the day before. So I think on the whole things have probably gotten way worse for your like average worker. It's systemic collapse. Yeah. So to me, yeah, these like the gray, the grayed are. Well, Pete Buttigieg isn't helping us. No. The secretary of transportation. Yeah. Which would I stensibly deal with this sort of thing.

Yeah. Shouldn't he be spearheading the regulation of shipping and logistics, which you can't do also because like when you're in, when you're like a player, even if you're a big player in a global economy, like there are so many factors involved. Yeah. And so many people with conflicting interests and companies with conflicting interests. I'm furrowing my brow. Yeah. Like I'm just thinking about how there was a Mason Pearson, the hairbrushes. Yeah. A couple months back, they, because they there was some bottlenecking at their factory and there was a massive Mason Pearson shortage. And I was told at C.O. Bigelow that like Fancy Pharmacy, they were like, don't even try to go online. They're like backordered for months. Forever. Yeah. But now I have some seeing Mason

Pearsons around again. They're returning. Yeah. Yeah. This happened to me with a, this is even more boring. I have to like, I have two hairbrushes and the hairbrush factory. You know, I mean, but that's how we learn. Like remember that like legendary scene from the wire where Wallace is like trying to explain a math problem to like a young hopper. And it's like an SAT type problem. Like if three kids get on the bus here and two get off on the next stop, and he like explains it in terms of like drugs and the kid is able to do that. Yeah. Smart. Yeah. So you have to explain it to us in terms of like female self-care products. How does this affect the global store of botox and filler? The rose quartz rolling industry. Someone has to mine the rose quartz. Yeah. Someone has to

mold the plastic and do it. It's like that opening scene of uncut gems. Just a bunch of Chinese foreman cracking the whip on Ethiopian and Somalian workers and like some mine shafts somewhere. So I can rub a refrigerated rock on my face before I go to sleep. To smooth out those nasolabial folds. Yeah. It's easy to say when you're like untouched, when you can like seamless. I mean, yeah. Going to be in Soho, I guess. Yeah. Exactly. Seems fine. So the supplies seem to be well stocked. Yeah. And the, you know, the lovely yuppies are enjoying their nice meals. Present company included, you know. Yeah. But I feel like, yeah, the cost of goods and services

is going up. The quality is going down. Workers have less options. Consumers have less options. Yeah. It's Soviet Union. Yeah. It really is like you old Soviet times. Did you see, I think you quote tweeted him, the Carl Beiger guy reminiscing about how bread lines were actually a positive. He was being ironic though, right? Because he said bread lines are NBD at the end. He was, he was leaving room for plausible deniability for himself. I see. I think, but like, I wasn't reading charitably. But I also think like that's what social media is. It's like every camp reading the, the other camp, the least charitably. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And like also he totally believes in the system. So his irony is like lost on me.

Well, I think he said something else to the effect of like how when he was in Eastern Europe, he liked how like certain things weren't around. And then when they were, it was like a nice treat. It was, which I don't think was him being like. Yeah. The scarcity of Eastern Europe made him appreciate all the, the gifts and treats that he has as a, a rootless, cause and fault in American. I mean, yeah, I don't think he was being ironic there. We're numb to the, yeah. We're so, yeah, the idea of being that in America, we're so like numb to the infinite varieties and surplus of products that we don't appreciate them the way they did in the Soviet Union. Yeah. I mean, that's a horrible thing to say. Like,

you should ask my mother. She waited. I'm gonna get diapers for me when I was a baby. Yeah. Yeah. I wore like a rag that my mom like washed in the sink. Me too. That doesn't seem so like we were having such a good time. No. And he made, I remember my mom used to like darn mend her own flesh colored like Hasidic-ass tights. Yeah. And you know, I look back on, on like my early like very vivid memories of like growing up in the Woolford store on a whim. You're buying like 10 packs of Woolfords. I get like two of them. I, for the, you're like the Oprah of Woolford, like just throwing them like you get a pair of stockings. I bought actually many pairs of sheer tights for the succession premiere and made Alison come and

take flash photos of me with different sheer tights like under my mask. Did you wear tights? Yeah. I wore like black sheer tights under the dress. I put two and two together. I understood why you bought the high-waisted panties from Bloomingdale's. Yes. And I said it to your face, but they'll say it again. You looked absolutely beautiful and lovely and stunning. It was a beautiful night. Yeah. You looked great. It really was wonderful. I'm very happy with how it, it was so stressful. It turned out, you know, I know, I'm sure. And like, I'm very proud of you for being on succession and looking so dazzling at the premiere, but I'm most proud of you for your toned ass arms. Great job. They looked really great. Whatever you're doing is paying off.

Thank you. Thank you. I'm going to ask you what you're doing after the credits roll. Well, you know, I probably have a personal trainer. Yeah. So it's, it's an investment. Yeah. Yeah. But I go to bar and stuff too. Yeah. But it pays off. Yeah. Pushups. You know, it's mostly what I like to do is pushups because I'm not really trying to bulk up. Obviously. I mean, Dasha, it's like literally impossible for a woman to bulk up. You really have to be like about that life. Yeah. You have to like bulk 24 seven. I see some chicks at the gym who are strong, but they're there. Yeah. All the time. Like 5,000 calories a day. They're there all the time. Yeah. And do tons of weightlifting with like one of those belts. But yeah, my mom jokingly months ago said to me,

like, I didn't move to this country so I could wait and fucking bread lines. And my mom is a very pro Western pro American person all her life. All she's wanted to do is to move to the United States. She hates Russia. She's explicitly discouraged us from ever going back. I love how Carl Bezier tried to well actually, I've been to Russia more times than you to me to you. Yeah. You like QT. All right. All right. Actually being Russian is not a personality. Yes, it is. It's actually a personality disorder. Yeah. We're afflicted. No offense, Carl, but being a leftist is not a personality either. Amen. But yeah, I remember I remember standing in a bread line with my mother in the dead of winter,

freezing my little ass off and I had a fur coat made of squirrel fur. Cute. Yeah. And wrap fur. I remember some guy taking pity on us and actually that cat over there in that bassinet with the glass eye is my first Russian toy that this guy brought out from this department store that we were in line. That's so cute. And that's like my first that Lenny is going to get my little Russian bread line toy. That's so sweet. Yeah. And his little Pepe. Yeah. I love I love all his cute toys. I know me too. I can't wait. It's like a little imaginary world. And like the there's a black cat in there too, that was the first toy that I got in the United States when my dad's Iranian co-worker who looked suspiciously at my dad and who I thought was my

dad initially picked us up from the artwork because my dad was too scared to drive and took us to the mall. And like, I think I've talked about in this podcast being initiated into like the intoxicating and dazzling world of American mall consumerism. Yeah. Tell me about it. Yeah. Oh my God. Yeah. I had the first American toy I had was I had some of those like soft plastic, like that lion that I got Lenny, like toys like that. Yeah. Dollars. But then in America, I had this little clown doll that I still have that's actually kind of ugly and weird. Where is it in Vegas? You have to go and claim it. I know I need them. I need that back. Yeah. And my parents used to buy me toys from IKEA. Yeah. Like, I remember being very well made and

kind of like, yeah, and having like wiring and stuff. You kind of like having posable soft dolls. Yeah. And now stuff at IKEA is sex ass. I know it's horrible. Exactly. No, it's just like, people, people okay, boomer me for this all the time. But like, I'm literally old enough to remember back in my day, back in my day, like shit that you got in the mall was really well made. And toys were well made. Food was better quality. Like, I can't tell. I actually don't know. Like the jury's out. Like I remember when I was a kid, like McDonald's, Dunkin Donuts, IKEA all tasted better. And I don't know if it's because I had underdeveloped taste buds or because the quality has gone down. I suspect it's a mix of both. McDonald's seems, yeah, probably. I think

it really is a mix. For sure. I'm not going to succumb to like the paranoid, like right wing delusion that it's all, you know, the only thing to blame your child. I mean, a kid eating McDonald's, that's why I'm like addicted to fast food is because of some, that's all we had. Regressed, like, yeah, like it's like comforts me because it reminds me of being a kid. Yeah. And it was can we go to Taco Bells? Yeah, it was like so vividly exciting. Carl's Jr. Did you go to In-N-Out in Los Angeles? No, I haven't been. You've never been? I've never been to In-N-Out. Oh, next time. I'm going to go next time. It's good, right? It's awesome. I regret not hitting it up while I was there. I'm going to try it. I've developed a newfound taste for

Borger because like Britney Murphy, I'm severely anemic. Oh, oh yeah. Should we talk about the Britney Murphy talk? Yeah, I just, I was going to make a... Oh, anemia? No, no, no. I was going to, I'm just curious to get your thoughts on the peep but paternity leave thing. Oh, oh, oh. Get back to work, bro. Jason's a stay-at-home dad. And where the fuck did you get those kids anyway? I just, all of it seems so fishy to me from, we called it from the moment he acquired those infants by mysterious means. Yeah. And now he's taking a little break while our infrastructure crumbles. Yeah, totally. Like, shouldn't you be fixing this? You're the top. They're both bottoms but... Yeah. Well, spiritual bottoms. I don't think that peeps gay. Well, yes, yes, yes.

But he's clearly like the male partner. So he's... He should be working. Yeah. Like every other male, he was working. He didn't go on paternity leave. He's not taking paternity leave from jazz. Yeah. All on jazz. Excuse me, excuse me. Nose and mouth. All on jazz. All on jazz. Yes. Yeah. But like, literally, women don't even have maternity leave in this country. It's like a private case-by-case situation. Yeah. And it completely, even if you, you know, technically have some form of maternity leave, it still disrupts your career. Yeah. And you're like itching to get back to work. I know so many women who are nervous. Yeah. Because they're like, oh my God, like they're going to kind of like soft discipline me because I

haven't been back to work in five weeks. Exactly. Or you like lose out on opportunities. Yeah. Just there's like office politics stuff that comes into play too. Yeah. They play, they place you on like the shitty team when you're back. Exactly. You don't get access to the good slack channels. Yeah. And I'm just like, I'm so grateful. I pinch myself. I say a prayer every day that I have an easy and fulfilling job that allows me to be like on permanent maternity leave. But yeah, it's awesome. But realistically, like nobody has parental leave in this country. It's one of the most disgusting and uncivilized aspects of America. I know. You don't get to call yourself a developed nation if you don't have like channels in place for parents to spend time with their children

when they're born at this like delicate age, but incredibly formative time. Yeah. And then no wonder millennials are all such like mentally ill narcissists. Yeah. Because they don't get to form those early on styles in early life. You have to lash out at people on the internet. Yeah. And like what's Pete butt doing on maternity leave anyway? Okay. Breastfeeding is like getting injected with various chemicals so he could lactate. I said this to you, but he's like literally harvesting the stem cells of his like surrogate babies to like tap into that fountain of youth. Because although he's not a gay man, what he does have in common with us women and gays is that he's forever chasing that fountain of you.

Definitely. You can tell. Yeah. He wants to be like immortal. Yeah. Good luck. Good luck to those kids. Yeah. What happened? Brittany Murphy, Brittany Murphy. Speaking of austerity. This program felt very chintzy. Yeah, low production value. I was like, I hope they do resolve the aiazzi strike, even though I think HBO does have a different my understanding, my understanding from just talking to people I know is that HBO has a different deal with aiazzi that won't be affected by the strike. But yeah, very cheap, very like, very sensationalist, very, yeah, like thrown together. Yeah. entertainment tonight as like very disrespectful to everyone's privacy and like humanity deserves so much more, so much better than this.

Yeah, to be like, well, it's also it's like everything else. Also, it's a series. It's like a protracted could easily definitely not be. You know, my heart sank when I saw 53 minutes, because I was like, this is not long enough to be. Well, did you watch both episodes? A standalone feature length film? Well, I was like, Oh, fuck, this is part of a six part miniseries. I'm going to kill myself, but only two episodes, but only two episodes. But I think that's it. There's only two. No, there's going to be more. I feel like we got any clear answers. Well, the mold. I mean, there are no clear answers. I think like she died because she was severely in humic and had pneumonia and had a bad interaction with all the prescription drugs she was on.

There have to be more, I think, because why do a two part 53 minute thing instead of just a one part? Really? Because because I feel like everything now is like, why a meme of an actual thing and now documentaries are not real documentaries or like memes of what documentaries should be. And like, instead of doing what an actual documentary would do is which is to tell a story through a clear cut narrative and give people some answers and closure and information to inform. I feel like this documentary has all those trappings, but it's just basically a salacious and sensationalist vehicle. Two episodes? Yeah, I think it's a two parter. That's so stupid. That's not there can't I'm sorry, I'm spurging about this. No, no, no, it's fine. That's what I said.

Episod like to episodic implies definitely more than two, probably more than at least three is episodic. Yeah, two episodes is nothing. But this is just combine them into one solid thing. Yeah, into like a full just like feature length standalone documentary documentary series. That's the craziest thing I've ever. Yeah, no, I'm telling you this. That offends me more than all the I know ghoulish shit they did in the documentary. Yeah, all the like smearing of character and like weird conspiracy theories, but it had that like seizure disclaimer at the beginning, it had like the bad kind of heavy handed opening reenactment theme song theme song, which was like overly literal. It's like when they when they're gonna die young,

and it had that like I'm dying young. It was literally like I was like listening to lyrics like I'm gonna die in a car fire plane wreck. Like some halls. Yes. Top 40. It sounded like the music that they use in Vanderpump rules, you know, to completely. Yeah. And it's like overly literal and like heavy handed. It's like when they do a documentary on finance crimes and play Pink Floyd's money. Yeah, seriously, it had these weird social media testimonials from like mentally ill like YouTubers and streamers. YouTube videos themselves. They weren't even like proper talking heads. They were just like, all weird, like true crime, like auto grind files being like, okay, I think they're just make no, I know, I'm kidding. They're just into makeup.

It's just like a bunch of like weird, like NB freaks being like, okay, so I'm going to tell you about the true crime story of Brittany Murphy's death and do my makeup. It was so insane. Like uh, um, tape on their face to get like the right severe line on their back powder eyeshadow tart shape tape. It had that like aerial footage, like B roll drone footage. Just like all the classic hallmarks of sloppy half assed millennial documentary filmmaking appropriated footage from Brittany Murphy's movies. Yeah. To like, yeah, tell the tale that was very half baked. Yeah, it was like scenes that like sort of had something to do with the narrative. It's like her being like, I love virgin who's going to die young. I love him. And they're like,

she loved Simon Monjack cut to her into some movie crying, like laying in bed. Um, yeah, the, the post like true detective opening credits, like every like step of the way, like all the, the classic shitty hallmarks, but yeah, really sad, really gross to watch. Though I mean, I really love Brittany Murphy. Me too. She really was like too pure and good for this. It's just a tragedy all around from the second she was born, but at least she in New Jersey, in New Jersey to her. Yeah. I wouldn't even know how to diagnose her mother, honestly. They were like, Oh, her mother didn't try to force her onto the stage. Unlike other celebrity mothers, but I kind of doubt that. I doubt that. And yeah. And then it's in the,

in the part two, that's more about like her husband who Simon Monjack, you know, yeah, kind of did kill. I mean, whatever he accelerated the, yeah, her decline though. It started, you know, really at the beginning of her life. Well, yeah. And they tried to make, well, her weird like, um, grifter nightclub owner dad, like all the weird freaks came out that guy. I forgot who he was, but you know, the guy who told that story, I like wrote down all the, the producers was, he was like, um, the producer of a spun and freeway. Was it? He said he, he was talking about, um, how he went to dinner with Simon Monjack,

because he was curious to meet a billionaire, merely curious. He weren't trying to get your movie financed or anything like that. I don't remember. No, no, it was a different guy. And Simon Monjack told him that he was the largest collector of Ramirez in the world, that he dated L McPherson Madonna, that he was dying from terminal brain cancer, but then like received some life saving experimental therapy derived from shark cartilage that he owns 17 Ferraris. And then the sky goes on. Um, and the only thing that he said was like a really red flag was when Simon Monjack said that his independent film was getting rave reviews and he knew it wasn't, wait, not that other like menu list of lies.

Simon Monjack, one or zero on the binary. Absolutely. Hard zero. That man is repulsive. I know what everybody's thinking. Like this is your, he's obese. He's Jewish. He's got it all. He's the, he's the complete package. I agree. Yeah. He seems like evil incarnate. He's grotesque and repulsive, but if I'm being honest with myself, he does seem like, uh, mastermind of emotional manipulation. So probably a one, like, yeah, if you think he could pull one over on you, Dasha, maybe if I was in Brittany Murphy's position easily. Yeah, but you're not and it's for no offense, none of us are. No, I know, I know. But I do, I did kind of, when they interview his, um, why X Y for the mother of his child,

who he also like love bombed in a famously sociopathic pattern and, um, they show the photos that he took with Brittany Murphy where she's wearing like those creepy masks. Yeah, I kind of like this photos. I thought they were like, they were pretty good. They were weird as well. So yeah, he's got a vision and like he seems convincing. Yeah. And I've been swindled before. Yeah. But can you imagine your husband keeping you up until like three in the morning to watch TV and then making you put on like a corset and a mask and taking weird photos of you in the bathtub? Like that's dedication. Yeah. His commitment. Yeah. He was her makeup artist. Yeah. I like how that makeup artist was like, and then he like drew

her lipstick outside of her lip line. I was like, well, that's how they all do it on Instagram now, baby. But they tried, they went to great lengths because I feel like in this day and age, all documentaries have to have like this kind of moral lesson and it's like society and the patriarchy was oppressing her, et cetera. They went to great lengths to portray him as like a swindler and a swingolly who really pulled one over on her. My take on it is like, yes, those elements are there. And he was probably very controlling to the point that he like disconnected their landline. He confiscated herself. Well, she was in a very vulnerable position. Yeah. But they make it seem like it was like a deliberate calculated thing on his end.

And I think that he was just also deeply mentally ill. Yeah. And they found each other. Yeah. I mean, he was exerting control and what did contribute, I think a lot to her decline. He was also definitely a psycho, but yeah, I think morally much more compromised than Brittany. Yeah. And I think like fundamentally, I mean, there's an innocent, you know. Yeah. And there's no reason why her career couldn't have gone the exact opposite way and been successful. I mean, she is like a pretty talented person. She's a very talented actress and she did. She, you know, she really reached when like just married was coming out and she was dating Ashton Kutcher and she was like,

yeah, it could have, that was like the peak. Yeah. It totally could have gone another direction. But like if she had people who were managing her career better, but that requires, I think, a greater clarity of mind and emotional constitution she had at the moment. Because I mean, you know this, it's up to you to hire the right people to manage your career. Exactly. Well, she, I know someone who worked with her on ramen girl. And they told me, I won't reveal my sources. But yeah, that already, and that she was always, always with her mom, that she had this really like, and in the documentary, they sort of portray her as mom is being very like grounded and present and like help like this like strong supportive source

in her life, who was also then weirdly swindled by Simon. I mean, that Larry King interview with them is so creepy. Like, yeah, no, we sleep in the same bed. And yeah, when she was, we didn't want an autopsy and we didn't call the cops because when she was like on the floor and she looked so alabaster and curvy and all the right places skin like silk to tell them, yeah, cut her up in front of her grieving mother. Yeah, I was like, whoa, man, how it works. I don't like you are sick and twisted. I did like the autistic autopsy lady who did the autopsy who the first thing she says is she's like, I love puzzles. And autopsy is just like a puzzle to me. And I was like, you have really found you took a career out to do tests and told you to be a autopsy technician. The only

honest person in that documentary, the girl from the actress from King of the Hill just seemed like which one her friend, her friend. Yeah, I forget her name, Jane something. The one that was another voice actress on King of the Hill. Okay. And she seemed like grounded, but she was just like happy to happy to talk. Yeah, yeah, there's but like all these like PR people like Perez Hilton doing his epilogia tour is just like the people that's Hilton skinny redemption arc is so repulsive. Yeah, grotesque. Who are you, you're going to like walk back all the gross shit that you did knowingly and consciously in the 2000s. Yeah, they played the SNL clip of them making fun of her near the end of her life. It was a good impression that really good, really good. And

and yeah, all of these documentaries are ultimately so cynical, because they kind of like much like the Brittany ones too, it's like, they narrativize and craft this story while condemning the way in which it was narrativized in the past, you know, like, the whole Brittany Murphy saw guys like a story that has been told to us, it's all been like, you know, even when she was like being really anorexic. And that was like, it's all what she really needed was a publicist, honestly, to do the right like, damage control. And like, she needed a better manager and she needed a publicist, really. Yeah, she needed to protect her from also because she was so sensitive to, to criticism, especially around

her appearance, you know, like a life coach, etc. I mean, this is a tale as old as time, like the whole and drive like pretty wet behind the ears, whatever the expression is actress arrives in Hollywood. Well, very also damaged, I think from her relationship with her mother. Yeah, that's the way that's always also the thing that I have at the back of my mind when people try to blame things on a spouse, like unilaterally, it's like, well, you picked that spouse. So your parents must have done something to you for you to pick that spouse, which is not to, you know, minimize the role of the spouse in like controlling and ruining your life. But like, again, like, you can't when it comes to like, hiring a team that has your best interests at

heart, like they're going to take a cut anyway, you pay them, you can't be in a compromised headspace. Yeah, because you're going to because I'm sure like in the world of Hollywood agents and managers and publicists, there's a lot of grifters, definitely. Yeah, for sure. And she is so even in like the footage of her as like a young child, you can tell that she is like, so talented, but so, so desperate for love. Yeah, because she didn't have a father. I don't, I get it. Yeah. And her mom also, you know, lots of people who are raised by single moms don't necessarily turn out, you know, quite so damaged. So I think that there was like, yeah, a void imparted to Brittany Murphy very early on in her life that she was like, never able to fill. Well, that was

probably vicariously imposed imparted on her by her mother. Yeah, yeah. And I think like she and Simon are the perfect storm. A woman with no father meets a guy with a dead father. And, you know, the rest is history. Yeah. Yeah. I think like the odds revival is upon us, which is why Brittany Murphy is back and Megan Fox is back. And people just like, there's like a mad, yeah, Brittany, there's like a mad scramble for content. So they're like basically re-narratizing all these stories that we thought we knew about or like understood in 2009 or whatever. Yeah. And it's, it's just as evil and morally compromised as like the Howard Stern girl's gone wild thing that like openly objectified women completely because now they're re-objectifying

women in the guise of, of having like a moral high ground. Yeah. Yeah. Relitigating or like this. Yeah. It does a real disservice to the, to the memory of, of Brittany Murphy who, yeah, I wonder if there'll be a bio pic at some point even. Yeah. Probably some very chintzy one, honestly. Probably. Brittany Murphy would have been great in it. Yeah, exactly. But like you think about like, you know, again, she's obviously a very talented actress and I think she was literally just like an open vessel. Yeah, exactly. She was like without, she was so incredibly porous. She was like a body without skin or something. Yeah. I remember like, which made her a great actress, which yeah,

garnered her attention that ultimately like destroyed her. Yeah. And so like she, I think they're at the end of the day, though, as harsh and cruel as it sounds, way harsh tie. It's, you know, she's at the end of the day, kind of like a Hollywood footnote. She's a minor actress that had her time in the sun. And there really is. What a time in the sun. Yeah, but there is no, there is no story. There is no documentary. They're really like shoehorning a narrative because I think like they admit the end, you know, the cause of her death is pretty cut and dry. It's clear that she got, she was sick. She was sick. She had pneumonia and her body couldn't cope with it. Simon also died. Yeah. And there was that, that part when one of the kind

of YouTube makeup people was like, how does a tiny petite woman and a large obese man die of the same thing? It's like, well, they're sick. Their immune systems are similarly compromised. Yeah. Like she was anemic from being so anorexic. Yeah, probably, surely. Oh, yeah. And she like, I understand like she struggled with her body image issues that were exacerbated because somebody said that she was, um, huggable, but not fuckable at some audition or casting or something. Yeah. And then when Clueless came out, she was like the ugly fat one. Yeah. So she had to get extremely hot like a doll. Yeah, exactly. But like, I don't know. They really made such a big deal about her blonde hair and such a stupid way, you know, like, and then she dyed her hair blonde, like some

dumb, the bimbofication arc of the documentary. I was like, come on, she looks great. She just looks great as a blonde. Yeah, she looks, she's not a redhead in Clueless. She's not, she's acting also in Clueless. That's not like who she is. You know, she's like an actress. Yeah. And actors change their appearance all the time. All the time. Yeah. And I think like, yeah, and there's that like carousel where they're like comparing her to like a bunch of other actresses. I can't wait for the wave of backlash against people calling me ugly online. All right. It's time for me to get my, like your redemption. Actually, this is not okay. There's a lot of ablest. Yeah, there's a lot of, I don't know. There's, I'm trying to think of something that has to do with like,

asymmetry, like asymmetry, phobe, like, yeah. A lot of remarks being made about the asymmetry of my face online these days. And I think that's fucked up. Yeah, it ain't right. It ain't right. I don't know. It just, but it's, but it's also like people like don't zoom out. It's literally like a script. It's a framing. Yeah. Like barring always has been. Yeah. Like barring some extreme again, like it's a bell curve. There's a 1% of extremely objectively hot people and a 1% of extremely hideously deformed people. Most people fall somewhere in the middle. And she was really beautiful. She was pretty. And I think that there's, I think before like Uptown Girls era, when she just had a little bit of plastic surgery, she looks luminous. She's like,

yeah, but that, but that's what I'm saying. She could have, yeah, I think what's tragic about Brittany Murphy though, as you'd say, she's a minor actress, but I think she could have been major. But I think she's, she's not a leading lady. She is a leading lady. I, I don't, I don't think that she really had what it took to be a leading lady, but not because of her looks. The documentary and probably she also wanted to rationalize it as some like limitation on her looks. And it's not that. I think it's just like an emotional constitution or like, like a mental headspace. I think that she was like far too sensitive and poorly managed. And I don't know. I mean, I mean, everything like these, it's an obvious comparison to make,

but like a Monroe, you know, yeah, but it's funny because I watched all about Eve on the airplane. Yeah. And Monroe has a bit part in it as like an aspiring actress who's trying to use her feminine wiles to like get ahead. And at the end of it, they tell her you're too fat. No, no, no, they tell her she's trying to get on Broadway, but they tell her to stick to television, which is funny because my have the tables of turn. Oh yeah. Cause like television is the prestige vehicle now. You know, who wants to be on Broadway? I mean, but Broadway still has cash shape. It does. Yeah. For actors. It's like an actor's medium. Yeah. But like it's, it's very intangible. But yeah, there's, they have that care, they run that carousel of like Gwyneth Paltrow and like Kirsten

Dunn. Kirsten Dunn is so cute in those like party videos of them. Yeah. She's super cute, but she's a real star. She's a star. And I mean, Kirsten Dunn's just like, is one of my favorite one of the best actresses of all time generation. She nails every role. She's a very good actress. It has nothing to do with her looks. Yeah. Her looks, whether you like them or not, or tangential, incidental to her craft. And she's not afraid to be, you know, I think to be ugly or to be, you know, to look the way that she looks. And I think clueless, yeah, for Britney Murphy, to have this breakout role as like the ugly friend. Yeah. Yeah, sort of just set her off on a probably, I mean, like also Kirsten, she did Kirsten Dunn's does have those luscious,

big, beautiful, beautiful body, but Britney Murphy's no less attractive than Kirsten Dunn's. They're probably on the same level. Looks wise. They're equally as pretty like this. Totally. Yeah. The only woman in that carousel that was like stunningly out of everyone's league of Sharon Stone. She's just like, not too bad. Yeah. But like, there's nothing, it's not a looks thing. It's it really is like, I mean, actresses aren't models. Yeah. And they need they are meant to there. Yeah. There was just a point where like partly why Britney Murphy couldn't be a leading lady, I think is because there was a point where she couldn't really play someone that was normal. And she and the person I know who worked with her on ramen girl was like she was

insanely neurotic, demanding, very hard to work with needed her mom was around all the time, very controlling, like, um, yeah, I needed her makeup to be done in a very particular way needed her hair like always wanted to be hot. And that's just a massive limitation as as an actor. Yeah, like your number one is to constantly have like a blowout and like a full face of makeup and plastic, you know, to always look hot because you have a complex about being ugly is going to really just inhibit you in the creative range. Yeah. And like, yeah, it's literally a disadvantage as an actor. Yeah. To not like as an actor. I mean, not that I know anything about acting, but I know a little bit. Yeah. You have to like be

willing and able to inhabit different mental and physical states. Yeah. You have to be willing to gain 40 pounds for that plum roll, or you're out. But no, she I think like if you micromanage your image to such a degree that it becomes like an impediment, like the most successful people in any creative field are not the ones with rich parents. They're not the ones who are the hottest. They're the ones who have a good work ethic who show up every day and are easy to get along with. Yeah, like straight up. Amen. Yeah. And like, I think that she was so overcome by her like negative self image and negative self talk that it was probably a liability to work with her. I mean, she got dropped from her last film is clear. Yeah. And then they interviewed that

director who did us. It was his first feature, some marginal. Yeah, that was her movies got shittier and shittier, but they were playing the footage where you can hear him yelling like cut and her free lines and the actor like feeding them to her. And she's still kind of like, doing a good job. Like she's very watchable. And she is like, even though she's acting like a weird freak, she's like kind of doing something interesting. Yeah. And but everyone that they talked to in that talk is totally morally compromised besides the autopsy specialist and like her stuff, maybe a couple of her friends or just kind of like yentas. And that fucking creepy publicist who's who's a publicist for both her mother and her husband. Yeah. That's so creepy

to like take on a couple who's not a couple as your client. We're grieving ostensibly the death of their that's like bizarre. But look at somebody like Drew Barrymore, who really turned it around ate a lot of shit, had a drug addiction, dealt with a crazy BPD mother. And now she like, you know, look at her now, Mary Tom Green, Mary Tom Green, divorce Tom Green. Now she hosts a daytime TV talk show that nobody watches and she's thriving. She is killing it. Go off queen. Yeah. Like, so there's it's literally it's it's like porn. Like sometimes you wonder why certain porn starlets fare better than others, even though they're less attractive and less willing. And it's just like they have a good management team because they're sounder of mind. That's literally

a true. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, not that anybody can be truly sound of mind in the porn industry. But or Hollywood or Hollywood. Yeah. But yeah, it's really just about maintaining some kind of equilibrium. Yeah. Because you're going to the demands of of your work are like designed to make you psychotic. Yeah. And they try to I mean, it's really sneaky and shady of them to try to make this into like a beauty standards thing. I know, like you're a press by society that Howard Stern, that innocent Howard Stern clip where he's talking to Ashton Kutcher about how he's now dating Brittany Murphy. And he's like, oh, and she was the ugly one. She was the fat one in Clueless. He's like, just doing his stern thing. Yeah.

And they play it with this like gravitas as if it's this smoking gun of misogyny or something. It's bogus. Like the like that whole framing is fundamentally also like opportunistic. I mean, like they're actually one of the most profound I'm like remembering now. One of the most profound parts that I like wrote down was Kathy Najimi, her co-star. On King of the Hell. Yeah. Or no, I don't know. No, Kathy Najimi is like the chubby Arab one who was in that Sarah Jessica Parker and Bette Midler, which don't say she's chubby. And she's cute. She's very lasagna Anna. But she said that she says that Brittany's not really a Hollywood girl. And that's like one of the most unintentionally profound things that was said during this documentary. Like I don't think that she

really had the constitution or the temperament to kind of like outlast like you have to be very steely. You can't be leaky. No, I had that same thought. Yeah. Where I was like, you have to have you have to construct boundaries that I don't think she ever had a chance to because of her probably BPD ish mom. Yeah, I did. There's something even worse wrong with her mom. I think there's something yeah, something in the breast milk ain't clean. Yeah, exactly. Like toxic. I think like she never and started starting to act so young and whatnot. Like you that's why child actors are so doomed option is that they aren't they become these kind of like coveted celebrities and they aren't able to like create the mental boundaries or psychological like

infrastructure to protect themselves. Yeah, and it's unfortunate that you do need like a supply of children to portray other children on screen because I think like acting is like religion. I'll do it. You can play the Kirsten Dunst character in the remake of interview with the vampire. Like I'm nine but also immortal. Yeah, it's been a long but I swear I'm just a kid. And also like she had the benefit of coming up before the internet. So it's you know, there was like arguably less people calling her ugly. Exactly. Because now it's I mean the thing is like this really really puts your your mind at ease and your heart to rest when you realize it follows a pattern and you know, everyone gets it, especially if you're

a whammon. Yeah, whammon be getting called ugly. And it makes me it makes me personally so angry like when people call you or Leia or somebody else. I know like ugly because it's so untrue both physically and spiritually. Thank you. And I hate it. But like I ate my share of shit. People call me ugly all the time and guess what? They're somewhat right. Well, no, that's what I was going to say. It's like, yeah, I am a little like ugly, but I'm like fundamentally fine. But it's I being kind of inundated with it. It's been kind of like exposure therapy for like dysmorphia or something where I just am like, nope, that's just like this is just kind of how I look. Yeah, and but it's fine. But again, Vanessa place is right, your critics always

have a point when people call me an ugly, ugly and stupid. I'm like, you know what? You have a point. You're not wrong. You're not wrong. And I see you. I appreciate you. I see you. You're valid. You're hard. But I just like, yeah, the this toxic, I think like with the internet, it's gotten so much worse with social media because like it's like a constant and this toxic and now it's sort of diluted into yeah. And it really is like martyrs like Brittany Murphy used to take the brunt of all that stuff. Now it's kind of diffused into into the culture and everyone has to has to grapple with it. Yeah, and it makes but it makes you realize that this is it again, it's a technical and informational problem. It's that everybody has a voice and everybody is yeah,

not only allowed but encouraged to say what's on their mind often anonymously. And it's such a minefield because it's like often if someone is going through the trouble to call someone ugly or stupid, it's because they it's very yungy and they see something in them that they can't tolerate in themselves. Yeah, you know, of course, they're projecting as we're fond of saying here. But I mean, I think what it is at the end of the day is like, I'm projecting your project. I like that like post Megan Fox MGK meme of like Gloria Trillo being like, you smell like Gabagool and being I am Gabagool. God, I forgot what I'm saying because I'm like totally drunk. No, it's fine.

I don't remember anymore. It doesn't matter. Yeah, it probably doesn't matter. But the other Oh, the other thing that like annoyed me was that woman that commentator forgot her name. I wrote her name down. Just like the the quality of the people that they interview for these documentaries. Well, they tracked down the Simon's weird family. Yeah, his like Brash family. Yeah. I was like, are these people like Croatian or Romanian and then there's another joke. He had a gypsy vibe. Yeah, I think he was just like kind of a sloth. But yeah, this woman Lizzie Logan, which like even her name is grading and she's like some writer and she had this quote that's like put it in the criterion collection, put it in the hall

of fame. This is one of the best movies ever made and I'll fight anyone who disagrees. If you don't like this movie, you're probably a bad person of bad taste. This is about clueless. And I was like, how is this like a interviewed soundbite in a professional documentary? Like literally everyone agrees that clueless is a masterpiece. Yeah, nobody disagrees with you. Yeah, it's psychotic. Nice straw man you have there. Yeah, like Eli thinks clueless is a fantastic movie. And he's like a Capricorn almost 40 male. No one doesn't like clueless. That's then that's the honest truth. Yeah, and then they have there's also like that arc that like based on her performance and clueless and her delivery of like that iconic line,

you're a virgin who can't drive that she was going to be like a big star and it's like it's one line dude, like no offense, but like it was promising, but it wasn't guaranteed. Nothing is guaranteed. No, no, no, it wasn't really until eight mile eight mile was really hard. Like and then I mean just married was maybe I'm I'm doc billed or something, but she did seem that was kind of her at her real like the pinnacle. Yeah, Pete Brittany Murphy was like just married press tour. Yeah, when she was like dating Ashton Kutcher and the movie together and you know they're having and I bet she was so fun to have on set and I bet they had a blast making that movie and like yeah, it's really sad what happened to her, but at least she you know she had a good life

for my moments. Yeah, and I mean again, like you you go back and you're like this is just like a management or framing problem. I'm like really like self help now. No, no, no, no, like if she's framing as publicity, that's like, yeah. Yeah, and if she had just believed in herself and said like, I'm hot and I deserve it, like people would have, you know, responded to that. Yeah, where she rolled out the red carpet corner that was like, yeah, don't make yourself a little less at least outwardly like vulnerable. Yeah, people like nowadays, especially people really just believe what you tell them. That's so true. If you literally say I'm hot and I'm successful, they'll believe you and there'll be some backlash, but it'll be minor and it'll get buried in the

in the cascade of like well wishes. Exactly. It like really, it really, really works. It's yeah, it's PR. Yeah, and sometimes I'm shocked by like who makes the cut because I'm just like really you you're like, hey, yeah, yeah, but that that's it literally is just like styling and publicity. Yeah, because people don't really like bother once you have the momentum. Yeah, yeah. Obviously, it's girl interrupted. She was good in that, right? She was pretty good. Yeah, I mean, she's, I don't know, she has kind of the two modes are very see feel very true to her where she's like breaking down mentally ill and like radiant desperate for love like sun ray of like light like she's had a real graciousness I think in for much of her career

until the end. But yeah, it looks can be deceiving. Yeah. And she has to kind of project and present herself that way, because she has such a like need to be loved, you can tell you can tell in her like eyes, you know, yeah, but that's the whole like they like me, they really like me. She's like want some more than anything is to be loved and affirmed and seen, you know, that's why there's this kind of like archetype of actresses who died young and tragically because they were like ruined by the industry because they were such like porous open vessels. Yeah, you got to keep your guard up. I thought like pencil down. No, it's true. Me says, yeah. And a lot of it is just really like faking till you make it. Yeah. Like I feel

like I learned early on when like everybody was like, you can't ugly or whatever. There are shades of that that are true. I'm like truly grotesque at certain angles. Very beautiful. Thank you. But what they're responding to is has a glow up of a century. Thank you. But what they're responding to really is that I conduct myself with a modicum of confidence that you wouldn't expect from a person who is not conventionally pretty. And they are mad at that because they think that I should hang my head and humble myself. And like, probably because they think they're ugly. They think, you know, no, like, it's not like gorgeous models who are like flocking to the internet to call people. But what I think bothers people is that like, no, I don't go around

like being like, I'm not true. Yes. But I'm not going to hang my head and like mortify my flesh like Lizzo at Cardi B's party like rough stuff. Not because I think I'm hot shit, but because it's just like undignified and unbecoming, you know? Yeah. And it becomes it gets a lot easier with age and experience. Yeah. I mean, it's with acting. I think in the case of Brittany Murphy, I think you it's difficult because you also how want to be like kind of porous and vulnerable so that you are able to be this like, but Catholic instrument, you know, but you have to be porous and vulnerable for the task at hand, which is fulfilling a certain role not. Yeah. Amen. About not in terms of like how you are perceived by external actors who don't know your life and

shouldn't be judging you anyway. Yes. Or any Swingali who wanders into your peripheral vision. Yeah. And by the way, she wants to become your makeup artist and manager and husband. Yeah. Your makeup artist wants to fuck you. What? I thought they were all gay. Okay. The footage from that last film where he was doing her makeup is really like, what is that last film? I don't they're all so bizarre. Yeah. But her like that close up of her face with her overly lined lips and she's like crying and it's maybe like, I haven't seen the film obviously, but maybe it works. Yeah, I want to see this film now. It's hard to judge. It's like, it's really hard to judge based on like curated snippets in a documentary. I'm sure

it's not good. Yeah. She wasn't getting like those kinds of roles at that point, but the images themselves are, yeah, harrowing and very like interesting to see, you know. Yeah. I mean, what can I say? I just, I feel like Brittany deserved better in her lifetime and she deserved better in the afterlife. Yeah. True. And it really sucks. So how did we added her husband die? Also the same thing. Also who got pneumonia and the mold and like collapsed. They were like hoarders. Yeah. Yeah. And they had like just like all those garment racks of like shit. Yeah. Everywhere. And the black mold on the on the wall. Yeah. Yeah. Clearly a case of finding love in a hopeless place. Yeah. Like a dark twisted fairy tale, much like a great, great segue.

May. Thank you. Megan Fox and machine gun Kelly. Megan Fox and machine gun Kelly also clearly sharing a publicist. Yeah. Maybe they're at the same company and their publicists have kind of joined forces to it's like couples as well as Courtney Kardashian and Travis Barker. They have like a little, yeah. It's like, they just like went to diner and ordered one French onion soup and split it four ways because they're like everywhere and it's really annoying. They're everywhere and everyone's like, this is a whole ass mood. Like, yeah, we ship them. It's like, yeah, you're being sold a bill of maybe not lies. No. But there's yeah, a narrative being being constructed and people are just eating it up.

What did you think of that article? I mean, I'm happy for them. I guess. Yeah. I'm like, I'm glad they found each other and are committed to this like publicity arc or something. But yeah, I've I've a hot take, which is I don't think Megan Fox is that hot. I was in not I wasn't enamored with her 10 years ago. I found her to be I mean, she's clearly yeah, very conventionally normally hot, you know, beautiful. I'm sure in person, she's like luminous and stunning and like is yeah, definitely hot. But I never thought like there was no charisma really emanating from her that I ever responded to and still I'm like, well, okay, I think 10 years ago, I would have vehemently disagreed with you. But I actually agree with that take. And I have also a related

hot take, which is that the reason her career hasn't thrived is also not due to societal oppression or male oppression. It's that she's probably a very untalented actress who chooses bad projects. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, she probably could be utilized well. Yeah, if she had the right just nothing about I don't I don't know. It's not my kibbit type or whatever. I don't respond. Yeah, I understand that. I think that she's just like to easily typecast. And that's her problem. I think like being overly identifiably hot is actually a handicap in Hollywood for actresses definitely. Yeah, yes. Yeah, it really limits you. And also, she is truly my hot take about Megan Fox is that like, as much as I want to love her because she reminds me a bit of like

Angelina Jolie. Yeah, I actually like I vibe with that type of like brunette beauty. I think Angelina Jolie is for example, yeah, like like stunning, undeniably, yeah, like otherworldly beauty. I think Megan Fox is a total pick me. I'm not like the other girls in every interview she comes across is deeply annoying. Where she was like, in high school, I was bullied. It's like, girl, you were giving blow jobs to the guys behind the bleachers. Yeah. And that role could have been filled by a woman like two or three points less hot than you. It's just that you have an insecure and competitive nature and don't play well with other women. What I don't I like what I like about some of me, my actor friends talk about open faces versus closed faces. Britney Murphy,

for example, has a very open face. Like, I think Britney Murphy is hotter than Megan Fox at her prime. For me, like because I really respond to that kind of like openness in someone's face. And it's hard to really pinpoint what it is. But Megan Fox has a very like clothes. It's like a brick wall, you know, a brick house. Well, it's very like, it's sinister and closed off to me and never it's I don't have the impression that I'll ever be able to like break on through to the other side. Yeah, she just gives up the impression of a person who has something of a persecution complex. Where has she my question is where has she been for that's what I would have asked if I was well, that's what I'm saying. Where have you been for the

last 10 years and now you're back and you're just dating machine gun Kelly and you and Courtney Kardashian and Travis Barker or publicly having this midlife crisis. Yeah, no, it's a very midlife crisis. It is out to me. I'm like, it is and it's like really random and nobody wants to see over 30s making out in public. That's like not a good look. No, no, like fine. I don't care if you have a neck tattoo. Okay, I find Travis Barker hot even though he's shrimpy and a chicken shit. I'm sorry. I have to put that out there. I'm adding that to my queue of one attractive men that I think are cute. He owns a great vegan restaurant in Los Angeles. So I got to give him props for that. Yeah. And he survived a plane wreck. Okay, just

saying kudos. That guy, I didn't know that but cool. Blink 182 got a note. No, no, no. He was on a plane with this guy who was a DJ whose name escapes me. It's like he was the other guy was dating Nicole Richie and he died very tragically. This is after they were broken up. But Travis Barker survived there, which is incredible. I like really like have a lot of respect for anybody who survives a plane crash. Anyway, machine gun Kelly blah, blah, blah. Yeah, I've never I'm not really familiar with machine gun Kelly because I'm a boomer. Yeah. But there he's probably brain dead or like a Xanax addict or something would be my guess. And she's like maybe a little smarter but basically, yeah, capitalizing on like a memeable opportunity good props to her publicist.

I'm just I think that he's just younger and more innocent and more eager to be in love. Yeah. Yeah, sure. But that doesn't that's not mutually exclusive to him being and again, dumb or well, no, it's not but also all men are dumb. And if you tell them like that woman over there is considered to be one of the most beautiful women in the world. Yeah, it doesn't matter whether she is or isn't they'll believe you and they'll go for her. Yeah, very, very few men mostly emotionally damaged ones can zoom out and be like, actually, she's a little too short. I remember my legs are too fat or something. Megan Fox's thumbs. Yeah, she has a form can generally deform them. Yeah. And thinking that was like petty and unfair, but I has stuck with me.

You know, yeah, we got it. You have weird thumbs who were discriminated against persecution complex. Yeah, but her subtext is that she was misunderstood because she was weird and intelligent when the reality and she knows that is that other girls found her to be like sexually threatening and she capitalized on that. Yeah, yeah. And she says in this interview, I think I'd either put myself in or allowed other people to put me in this weird box that didn't quite fit me where I hadn't lived my own life as myself for a really long time. The parts of me that were always eccentric or strange and didn't belong within my own family unit or within Hollywood. It's just weird to describe yourself as eccentric and strange. It's very I'm not like the other girls. That's true. That's true.

Yeah. And she really wasn't eccentric or strange. She was very no, she was in like a Transformers movie and very hot and successful in this extremely banal way. Yeah, as is. I mean, so yeah, she's sort of machine gun Kelly is not eccentric, nor strange. He's also very incredibly banal and a very commonplace milk toast kind of like celebrity fixture that we live with now that has like looks the way that he does and presents in the way that he does. Yeah. And I mean, I feel like now I mean, he's he's a lot more like reconciled resolved with himself. Yeah, I believe that they're really in love. I liked weirdly what she said where she said that they when they first met, they couldn't see each other's faces. Yeah, they weren't met meant to meet yet. Yeah. And it's like

that's not what happened. You were both drunk and high and didn't I couldn't even see his face. But that to me feels felt like a weirdly authentic detail of kind of what that that main manic phase of falling in love does feel like where you're like, yes, it was course, it was always meant to be this way. And like, remember when we first met and it wasn't yeah, yeah, I agree with spirit guides like brought us together like that all feet that all rings kind of true in a very stupid way in the way that like falling in love is incredibly stupid. Yeah, it is. It's stupid retardation is falling in love. Amen. Yeah. And actually, like all of your accomplishments, all of your traumas fall by the wayside when you feel like you've met somebody

who really sees you and you're in love and you're just like what like autism for two. Yeah, it's been called. Yeah, that's very sweet. I know. And that comes across in their in their dynamic. Yeah, they're just like two crazy kids in love except she's like 36 and he's like 32. Is that how old I think there's an age gap. No, I know he's younger, but I thought he was even younger. Maybe he's like 29. Yeah, she she also says, you know, famously like I'm an unusual person and I have a buried a lot of that because I didn't it didn't have a place to live and it's like he's 31. Yeah, you're famously an unusual person. I thought he acts like he's 24. Well, all these people do. That's the other thing. It's like crazy and love type shit is for young people.

Yeah, it's pathetic. So she's 35. So it's not it's not so bad. But you know, she has three kids under her belt. She has children. She has children with Brian Austin Green, who's the original wigger. I like, you know what I like about Megan Fox? She's doing this. She loves stupid little wiggers. Yeah, that's her. That's her type. And I really love a woman who's committed to a type. Yeah, I agree. It's like, you know, you and me, we love Jews and she loves stupid little lovers with face tattoos. We love Jews, big fat Italians, guys from Boston. And Steve Bannon, Steve Bannon food on their shirts. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, slovenly like Romani. Oh, you can't take care of yourself. I'll take care of you, daddy.

Yeah. But who says about themselves, you know, famously, I'm perceived as an unusual person. Not true. You're simply not I hadn't thought of you in a very long time, Megan Fox. And yeah, I definitely do, do not think of you as an unusual person. Call me when you get a little some facial asymmetry. Okay. And then Hollywood seemingly still has no idea what to do with a gorgeous smart actress forcing them to build their careers on their own terms. What being gorgeous and smart and published does not hurt your chances in Hollywood. And like literally everybody has to build their own career on their own terms doesn't know what to do with a gorgeous girl. They just don't know what do we do with this extremely hot, tanned, perfect five foot four

spinner with a she just has like really ugly thumbs. The nail bed is wider than I don't know what to do with actors with hideous weird thumbs. Hollywood is just not ready for that kind of thing. It's this whole publicity arc is so I have no fake and gay and also actually ultimately also kind of kind of interesting. Lately, everything I see online has been making me feel sick. Me too. You know, I really want to tear myself away, but have to keep generating insights trudging. Yeah, exactly. Okay, through the mud. Should we talk about Adele? Yeah, yeah. Also thematically on yeah. Yeah, I had a good segue, but oh, no, no, I forgot it many moons ago. It's okay. We'll fix it in post. Yeah, Adele has a new

album or single out. I don't particularly like Adele. So don't I don't either haven't listened to it. I liked, you know, when it was on the radio, like, I absorbed it and would listen to like Nevermind, I'll find someone like you. Like, and I guess she has a, you know, a good voice, but that's not a priority for me in terms of she has a vote cover. She has a vote cover and she's skinny, but she got skinny a little while ago. Yeah, but now she's really doing the skinny, the skinny press rollout. Yeah. And she she covered Vogue. She has those like Peter Greenway big old corset titties. Yeah, I've been like, yeah, she looks good. Very nice. As you know, as you may know, I've been butt chugging a lot of John Waters films in preparation for this event that may or may not

happen. I think Adele shouldn't say that. No, oh, cut that in preparation for this event. That is sold out. That is sold out this Wednesday. Yeah, no use in promoting, but we're interviewing John Waters. Yes. Imminently. Amazing. My childhood hero. I did it girls. Yeah. John Waters. Adele, and I don't mean this in any sort of mean way at all. There's no like Caddy undertones. She reminds me of divine. She has the same kind of like porcelain English rose beauty like Kate Winslet in Titanic. Yeah. And then she's a big old bitch. Yeah. Or the first gay icon slash fag hag of all time. John Singer Sargent's Madamax. I don't know. That's that famous painting. You know John Singer Sargent. Yeah, yeah, he did that painting of his mom. He did the painting. No,

wait, that that's a whistler. Oh, God, why do I get them confused? Are they they pertain to a similar period? And they're both like ex Americans. That's the right artist. But Madamax, the famous one with like the off the shoulder dress. The black dress. Yes. Yes. Yes. Of course. She looks like divine. I think I unironically say this. No, I know what you mean. I think divine was so beautiful and such a star. Totally. Yeah. Oh, no. Adele has that kind of like British rose beauty that I really like, even though it's not my preferred type, I really appreciate it. Yeah, because it's art historical. Definitely. Flushed kind of. Yeah, I think she's gorgeous. I think Adele is beautiful, for sure. She has a very symmetrical face for what it's worth. Very symmetrical. Very symmetrical.

So does Lizzo, by the way, when people are like knocking on Lizzo, I'm just like, well, she's very pretty in the face. And kind of divine ass also. Yeah. And her body type. Yeah, she's like a John Waters girl. She kind of is. Yeah. I can't if she was a little more ostentatious. So yeah, so this woman, Shannon Paulus wrote an article in Slate called I'm a Little Bum That Adele Lost Weight. Yes, I know this is not about me, but it's not just about Adele either. Yeah. And in it, she goes on to say that of course Adele is she's a feminist and she's able to do whatever she wants with her body. But she still laments the media outcry around Adele's weight loss, because there are so few fat stars. Which really isn't true anymore. The times they

are changing. And does Adele a bit of a disservice, you know, to her? She because she wasn't like what I will say about it. Yeah, Adele wasn't was never really not unlike Lizzo was not like capitalizing on her identity as a as a fat person to be fat and very talented. Yes, which I really appreciate her actually for not playing that game. Yeah. Like Lizzo is talented, irrespective of her size, but she prefers to do this thing where like she mortifies her flesh for public fascination. As if that's all she's got. Lena Dunham played that game. I think that it's a losing game to play if you have talent, which they both do. Yeah, I would agree. Like why, why make your brand that you're fat? Yeah, just even for like the simple kind of practical reason that

if you decide to change it up, people will write articles about even if you don't. Yeah, they'll yeah, they'll still yeah, obviously be preoccupied with with your body, your body, your choice, girl. And it's like also like losing weight. Contrary to what this author claims is a major, major accomplishment, especially if you've never been thin and don't know what that feels like. Yeah, no, she really acts like it's just like a symptom or something of Adele's fame that she's happened to become because she also does not seem like sickly or anorexic. I think she's made like a major lifestyle changes. Yeah, that have, you know, reaped rewards. I'm sure also she's healthier. She's healthier. She has kids, right? She has one or two. I don't

remember, but I'm sure like as a young mother, she probably don't want to be like, overweight and diabetic for the duration. Totally. Yeah, yeah. Even if she just wanted to be hotter because she's a slab. Yeah, valid. Yeah, it's totally reasonable thing. I think like just like you cannot underestimate. I mean, I it's maybe not a public accomplishment, but it's a private accomplishment. It's about as big as it gets in private. No, no pun intended, like going through the steps and losing weight and keeping it off when she's kept it off for like what like a year or year and a half. Yeah, so she hasn't done some crash diet probably. Yeah, that's really kind of hard. Yeah, if you're a food addict, as many of us are.

And she's the swim and admits to sign a value in any direction to Adele's weight loss, excitement or disappointment is to over involve oneself in the dynamics of a stranger's body. And then she says, but I've been thinking about it all week. This is the thing is that Adele has a body type that is not really frequently represented in the world of mega celebrity that she occupies. And partly for that reason, I think it's okay to be disappointed that Adele lost a ton of weight. And then she doubles down on the fact that we live in a very, very fat phobic world where eating disorders run rampant. I mean, that's true. But it also not true, not the whole Oh, God, Anna, what the mouse is about.

It's crossing the threshold. I know, it's really getting bold. I know, he's lucky. He's cute. I know, he's getting brazen. Yes, he's like, coming over here, he's gonna be the third Mike pretty soon. Like doing his little sonar. Anyway, sorry. No, it's fine. Yeah, she says most people who have excelled in the entertainment business are not fat. They tend to be very, very skinny to very skinny. That is not true. That's not true. There's literally normal sized people. Most people in entertainment, you're normal sized. Yeah, this litigation of like what thinness is, is, it's crazy explicitly not that phobic. Like, yeah, you know, we do not

actually, it's a myth that in our culture, we celebrate like, anorexically thin people. I think that is very there's it's honestly, I think, I don't know, to me, it feels very rare, you know, models accepted who have, you know, sample sizes to finish it. But even in the modeling industry, obviously there's like, yeah, that's a huge push for like body diversity, diversity casting, whatever. But in like, entertainment, Hollywood, you know, the music industry, most people are a normal healthy weight or like are hot. But definitely I would not characterize them as like very, very skinny. They're literally not it's so rare to see someone act like, waves are not do not abound, especially in music. No, not anymore. Like,

who's who's the hottest woman in music do a leap a totally normal way. I mean, she's thin and beautiful, but she's normal size. She's not excessively thin and very thin. She's like, an active like athletic body type. Yeah. The I think that that's crazy. It's like when they say someone's hot doesn't mean they're very thin. Yeah. And I think like, you know, like the modeling industry, like I walk to my favorite coffee shop every day. And there's like, like, a new ad that depicts like an old woman, a black woman with a prosthetic leg and another fat black woman who has like breast cancer surgery. Oh my God. And I'm just like, who is this for? That's the other thing that like really alopecia alopecia is yeah, the hottest thing right now.

Yeah. And it's or like vitiligo and we really did go from like vitiligo is not being bald. That's different. Well, that's pretty hot. Um, like not evaluatively, but descriptively, it's in right now. Um, but like I, I walk past this ad campaign. I'm like, who is this for? Like who's going to be like inspired to buy this jewelry based on this ad campaign? Well, you just, you don't even have options. And yeah, you don't back going back to the supply chain. That's true. It's the spiritual. So the moral supply chain has a bottle. Compromised. Yeah. I was like walking around Silver Lake reservoir and there was just like all these like BLM signs scrawled in like this like frantic urgent like chunky markers and they had hung

these like mummy bandages all over the fencing that like spelled out dead black people's names that were like killed by cops. And I was like, this is like a fucking like haunted hayride, but for BLM, it's like Halloween season of the year. Yeah. And it's like a black power fist, but it's like tearing through grave and soil. It's like zombified. That's crazy. And I'm just like Jordan Peele make that movie. Yeah. I'm sure he's working on it. Like white libs making a black lives matter haunted house. Yeah. It's like straight. It was like haunting and like morbid. Yeah. Like all these rich cultural elites having a nice signaling chore at the BLM haunted house. Just like signaling to each other that they care about

black lives while they're like Mexican and Guatemalan help like enter through the back door. Anyway, Adele Adele seems to have some clarity for her part. She says, I understand why some women were especially hurt visually. I represented a lot of women. Yeah. She this made this whole saga made me gain a newfound respect for Adele because she seems like classy and centered. She's very classy. Yeah, for sure. And I always thought like my kind of unflattering hot take on Adele was that she's only famous because Amy Winehouse died. I mean, there's a shade of truth to that. There is. She was like the next in line. They were, they're doing very different things. Sort of. They're doing like blue-eyed soul

for like British, whatever. But like, I think she's obviously Amy Winehouse was very, very skinny by the way. That's right. And I was maligned for it and ridiculed for being too skinny. I mean, she really was like horribly ill. But yeah, yeah. This woman writes, was it the healthiest thing in the world to pin oneself esteem to the shape of another person? Clearly not because people change. This is the entire issue with external validation. It cannot be counted on. It's also kind of weird to care about the body size of this one lady. I don't know. Her instinct is correct. It's like really weird to like charcoal back to that first thought. Yeah. And evaluate what's really going on. Yeah. Like you have this sinking intuition

that being obsessively fixated on some celebrity's weight is weird. And you're like unhealthy fixation, you know, has to do with you being fundamentally unhappy and miserable because you're fat. Wow. Yeah. You said it really well when you said, why be a fat activist when you can just lose weight? Yeah. And it's hard. Yeah. Of course, it's incredible. Yeah. It's very hard. But easier than taking up the burden of fat activism, I think, because it's going to be an uphill battle. Yeah. But I think a very heavy cross to bear. It is. Yeah. The out of post cross. But it's like these people, they, they hate themselves and they're in denial about it. And the problem is not the self hate because all of us hate ourselves just a little bit.

Yeah. Are you even human if you don't hate yourself? No. The problem is like the denial. Like the outsourcing. The reason people in society hate you isn't because you're fat. It's because you've recruited all of us as accomplices in your self deception. Nobody wants that. Yeah. And no one really believes it either. So it's you're trafficking really in just lies. Yeah. And that'll run its course. Think pieces like binders full of lies. Yeah. The whole thing piece was very neither neither here nor there it was basically generated for like the headline. Right. So that people could be like, have some hot take about it. But Dasha, I feel like that's the new frontier. It's like documentaries, think pieces.

I know it's entire franchise. We'll do more. We'll do, well, this one, this was an especially demoralizing pop culture centric episode, but we'll do something edifying. Soon we'll talk to John Waters, we'll get his take on it. And I don't know, maybe we can go see, I don't know, maybe we could do a movie app or something. We should do like a nutritious movie app. That's not like a garbage movie. I'm, yeah, I regret a little bit suggesting the Bernie Murph dock. I hadn't watched it and just seems like it was in our wheelhouse, but it was really like just depressing and depressing and cheap and just none of it really made me feel particularly good about. Yeah. Yeah. The culture at large or our line of work specifically. I was like,

I'm doing my work. I'm like, I'm in bed eating subway watching the Bernie Murphy. We can wrap it up. Oh yeah, we can need to. We were at like an hour and 50. I got the cold cut combo, which is what it's like baloney and stuff. And then I got like lots of vegetables in it. And it's, I get it on like multi grain bread. So it's like a relatively whatever. Yeah. Yeah. Fortifying and not super unhealthy indulgence. It's like a Soviet sandwich. It is. It's like a baloney sandwich. It's like olives on it. Anyway, see you now. See you in hell.