Red Scare - Tis the Sisson

Episode Date: March 27, 2025

The ladies discuss Harry Sisson's sex scandal, Gal Gadot's Zionist woes, Gwyneth Paltrow's beef with intimacy coordinators, and The NYT's Covid op-ed. Read the Nicholas Wade article mentioned in the episode here.

["All The Things You Said"] The rain... Hello? Hi. Can you hear the rain? Mmm... I think it's nice. The rain. Hello. Hi. Can you hear the rain? I think it's nice. Yeah. Maybe a little, but.

Yeah, it can close the window. It's bad. Okay. Sure beats construction. It's ambient. Do you feel lighter? Thank you. We're back.

Hey. How's it going? It's going okay. Thank you. We're back. Hey. How's it going? It's going okay. You seem good. I'm really good. I have been going to the gym and not drinking every day for a week. So I'm firing on all cylinders.

Same. I worked out four times this week. Nice. I mean how many times do you usually work out? Mm, two, okay. I work out like zero times for the last six months, so. Yeah, I kind of feel like shit, but. I've been going to happier grocer and drinking the $20 smoothie.

No, I've also been drinking less because of my books, maxing journey. Yeah, it's fine. It's pretty boring. It is. Yeah, but it's okay. Self-care is boring and sucks. It is. You just are like, I guess I'll go to sleep.

It makes you stir crazy. Yeah, you can't like alter your- You wanna really do something destructive, like become a homeless person on the street. I mean, that guy was telling you about who lives outside my church on the street by choice, clearly. Like on a nice day, I saw him once he was wearing sunglasses, he was drinking an Arizona iced tea,

and I was like, no, honestly, I get it. I know, I know, people were mad at me about my comments on the homeless, even though I took great pains to distinguish between the poor and the homeless, and also between the actual homeless and bums. But part of me kind of gets where they're coming from because it is an aspirational lifestyle. Like mentally ill injection drug users are people who have chosen to live a life on the street

because they don't want the responsibility of having to integrate into normal society. But like to give them some credit, the flip side of that is that they've created a kind of semi-functional parallel society of their own. It's kind of Nietzschean, wouldn't you think? It is, yeah, yeah. They're all really thin, they have great hair.

They're taking control of their lives in a way, by losing control completely. Yeah, they're like artistic and eccentric. Not so bad. Couldn't be me. I'm like those guys who like fantasize about going to prison so they can read books and don't have to deal with women. Yeah. I'm like, man, wouldn't it be nice? If not for the inclement weather.

Could be worth. Yeah. The new Anna Ark is going to be moving to LA and becoming homeless on Venice Beach. I mean, people have gotten, I've gotten some backlash for using the word vagrants in the past. And I think, I don't think that's a politically incorrect term at all. That's no, it's almost kind of euphemistic. There's like a guy going on a Lindy walk forever. Yeah. It's vagrancy. Yeah. It's a real issue. Yeah. And people were mad at me because they were accusing me of being like a white supremacist and a racist because they were projecting their assumptions about the

homeless onto me. And, you know, as I pointed out in this neighborhood, my neighborhood is literally like, what if your neighborhood was black and Chinese? Yeah. White bums are some of the worst ones. Yeah, all these guys, not all of them, but a significant proportion of them are white. And most of them are men, obviously, because homelessness seems to be like a male game.

Because men of all races occupy the extremes more than women do. Well, once again, they adhere to a kind of might is right ideology. And you need just the brute physical strength to survive out there. True, and these people basically are like my imaginary friends.

I know all of them. I like have clocked their phenotypes, their mannerisms. And one funny thing I noticed about it was that like the females who are basically drug addicts and street prostitutes, the white women outnumber the black ladies, go figure. There's like maybe two or three black ladies and like four or five white chicks in rotation.

And another fun fact about female crack heads is that they clearly went through some horrible sexual trauma when they were young. So they all talk in this very stunted kind of almost boyish voice. They're like, hey, you cunt. It's like, aw shucks. They have like Bart Simpson or Archie Comic Voice.

The crack also contributes to the cadence, I guess. I've been watching Intervention a lot in my sobriety. It's pretty depressing. But especially in the later seasons, I feel like people know they're on intervention. They all ostensibly agree to be in like a documentary about addiction. But I feel like unless you're super far gone,

you'd have to be totally delusional to think like, oh, they're making a documentary about me. Yeah, it's like when you are being interviewed for jury duty on like a high profile case and you sort of already know it's going to be like Luigi or something. Yeah, but you're supposed to, you take a vow not to. Yeah, have you ever watched love on the spectrum? Somebody was telling me about that. intervention. It's a little more like Netflixy and produced. And while I love the neurodivergent and I'm interested in them, it kind of rubbed me the wrong way. Yeah. I've been seeing a lot of, um, online compilations of like, uh,

down syndrome shorties with hot bodies. I think those are AI generated. Oh fuck, I thought they were real. You boomer. I've seen those, yeah I think they're a treacherous AI technology trying to trick you. I was so excited, not in a horny way, in a noticing way.

Right. Yeah. Yeah. Anna has a bunch of printed out papers. Oh yeah, so. Of her text correspondences with Harry Sasan. Yeah, because I've been living a much more healthy lifestyle

and like my mental clarity is back. I went through like this giant sheath of printouts that I've had since like 2019 to find all these old COVID articles so that we can talk about the new COVID article that just came out in the New York Times. Oh man, it's like the JFK files. I know. It's my personal JFK files. I know. It's my personal JFK files. It's like I'm like Charlie Day and

always sunny standing in front of the whiteboard. You should write an op-ed. Connecting the dots between like Anthony Fauci and Peter Daszak and the Wuhan Institute of Virology that people already know because they're at this point public record. Right. I was thinking of writing a response to that op-ed because it made me so angry. But we can get into that later. We can, we should probably talk about Harry Cezanne first. Right. Yeah, I was on like grok being like, why did Fauci lie? Well, let me explain. Is we getting Dr. Fauci in jail? But yeah, some lighter fare.

Harry Sasan, who's a Zoomer Democrat influencer, TikToker. Yeah, he has 1.8 million followers on TikTok. He's 23, he looks 19, went to NYU. He's Irish, which I didn't know. Like, why are you meddling in our politics, bro? And he grew up in Singapore, Dubai, and Dublin where he went to school. I'd never really heard of him until now. I'd seen his photo, I guess, but never really paid attention to it. I get all my news from Hindu-stunned times now, so I just...

And he kind of looks like a twink and a little bonked on the head. And he also seems totally astroturfed, though I don't know if astroturfed is the right word for it because I think by now he probably has an organic following. Like how else could he net all those babes? But there's something iffy about his background for sure, because it's unclear whether his parents are like intelligence or diplomats, same thing. He doesn't have an Irish voice. Businessmen, women, yeah. Yeah, so he's probably educated in some like fancy international boarding school or something. But that's like top Democrats in a nutshell.

I feel like the bottom Democrats are like what Steve Saylor calls the coalition of the fringes. Like these people who are just like held together by their hatred of the white man. And then the top Democrats are these rootless elites who go to like climate conferences and do regime change. He interviewed Joe Biden? Yeah and he met with Barack Obama. Yeah my hunch about it is that he probably I don't know the whole kind of political influence or ecosystem kind of eludes me.

I don't. Me too. I was thinking about how he's almost like the Nick Fuentes of the left in that he kind of has the same twinkish physiognomy but is also possibly a fed though. I'm sure in Nick's case, he only became a fed later on in life because he seems to come from like a kind of random middle-class family out of the Midwest whereas this guy is clearly just like he sounds rich and elite. Yeah, I Yeah, I don't know how like people who consume this kind of content are able to like discern Talent or merit based on because all the con I was like

You know looking at so he was exposed by some Republican looking at, so he was exposed by some Republican delegates. An activist, yeah. What's her name? I have it here. Sarah. Fields. Yeah. Right.

She made a thread sort of compiling all of the kind of disparate but organized and accumulated sort of me too-ish. All the girls who were talking to Harry Sison on Snapchat, who he was soliciting for nudes. Yeah. Who claimed he took advantage of them. Led them on. Yeah. advantage of them.

Led them on. Yeah. So they were wifey material. Yeah, he called them wifey material and said that their wifey application had been accepted. And all of this sort of surfaced after he posted, this is real bottom of the barrel stuff. I'm like, why am I looking at Harry Sasson's alt TikTok? He sort of like soft launched a girlfriend

and one of his alt TikTok videos and all these girls got pissed formed a critical mass. Yeah, it's like unclear whether some shadowy forces are trying to take him down because they hate to see a white man winning or if just like it's a more organic process and girls are just talking and gossiping online.

Well, this is its own kind of genre of interaction that's started to happen where, didn't this remember that guy who was like on hinge or something and all these girls figured out through female sleuthing? Well, that's what happened to- That they were all, he was leading them all on.

Yeah, that's what happened to Andrew Huberman. When all the girlfriends, like all the jilted girlfriends got together and started weaving like a dragnet to nab him. It's sort of also what happened to Neil Gaiman when the first girl came forward and the other much, much older girl was like, hey, why did I decide to be anonymous?

I should just self-dox. Yeah, and these girls, he hadn't met any of them. Yeah, that was my big question. Did this all just transpire online or had they actually met and hooked up because it's like such a nothing burger? No, he was just saying. But you know wherever there's like

an up and coming male influencer, a pimp and a player, there's like chickens clucking. Yeah, and it does seem that he was kind of using his clout to farm nude photographs from these girls, one of whom as, what's her name, Sarah? Fields? Yeah. Um, comically points out was a domestic abuse survivor. That was my favorite because her being a domestic abuse survivor means she suddenly like damaged

goods and off limits, like off the market. And in that thread there was like photos of her bruises from her previous relationships that seemed pretty unrelated. Yeah. To her Snapchat romance with Harry Sasson. The first girl who sort of started to coordinate this campaign. Carly Hosh. She said that he was well aware of the fact that she was very depressed and quote took advantage of her sadness. Yes. Yeah, she was the one who talked about how he debuted his new girlfriend on TikTok

when they were still talking, but she knew that he was already fucking around with someone else because he had posted a story with hickeys on his neck. And when she confronted him, like any normal person would do, he denied it and gaslit her. There is a really funny typo from the economic times.

Harry Cezanne has been accused of convincing and luring a dozen nearly women to send their explicit videos on Snapchat. I think they mean nearly a dozen women, but it kind of makes it sound like they're underage. What's also funny is how the girls claim that he lured and manipulated them into believing that he respected them for more than their bodies, which like, LOL,

that's like not what we want. We obviously want someone to objectify us, not respect us. There is no worse fate as a woman than to be respected, but not objectified. You just wanna be the only one he's objectifying at the moment. Right. And he told this girl Carly that she has a lot to offer,

no doubt. But he can't do exclusivity, not because I'm getting needs from a bunch of girls or fucking girls and stuff Parenthetical I don't hook up with anyone ever but because I just don't think I'd be able to commit 100% to something Also, since we live in different states exclusivity would be hard So I'm not balancing a bunch of girls at once my mind and energy are just in other places right now. He's spitting facts and

Then later said I never lied to you. We were not exclusive. And I made it abundantly clear. I didn't want that. And you said that was fine. I haven't done anything that wasn't allowed within the parameters we set. What and why are you screenshotting? Which yes, like she even admits that she was quote understanding when he informed

her that he didn't want to be exclusive. And more importantly, all of this was totally consensual. Like these girls took and sent nudes on their own volition. Inappropriate. One of the later accusers keeps talking about, she had printouts of their correspondences and keeps making reference to him, like hounding her for inappropriate photos as if she's not sending them to him and makes it seem like he's badgering her apropos of nothing. Zoomers seem doomed, dude. I don't even think this is a Zoomer problem.

This is like an all people problem. Even 50 year olds are getting in on the game, apparently. But like, yeah, to me, this was like kind of good news. Like the libtards are all right. It's true. Like this man is like horny. He has a libido. He's like playing bitches man is horny, he has a libido. He's playing bitches off of one another,

which is not the nicest or most noble thing to do, but at least it's healthy. It's like human. Yeah, he's like a cat and a scoundrel who's playing the field, which is to be expected of a guy his age and his status. I mean, he's not even really, cause no one who he's had interactions with in person

thus far has come forward or detailed any transgressions that he's actually committed. It's just like- He was having fun online. Yeah, he knows he can get girls to send him nudes on Snapchat. Yeah. And they're getting attention. Yeah, that's so true. He knows he can get girls to send him nudes on Snapchat. And they're getting attention.

Yeah, that's so true. Which is why women send nudes to people. So yeah, per the parameters that weird legal language he's using, it all seems pretty kosher. He's like Mahmoud Khalif, no crime was committed. It all seems pretty kosher. He's like Mahmoud Khalifa, no crime was committed. Yeah.

He seemed responsive to the nudes. Yeah. He told that girl he'd fuck her raw after tasteful banter at the wine bar. Yeah, okay. But ladies, yeah, here's a useful heuristic for sending nudes. If you suspect that a guy is soliciting nudes from other different women, you have two options. Either you can send the nudes anyway to get like the temporary burst of dopamine and factor that like manage your expectations and keep them low or you can just decline to send the nudes

because the outcome is gonna be the same. He's gonna ghost you anyway. The first girl, Kaylee, whatever, claimed that she made like a separate Snapchat. I don't even know. I'm such a boomer. Like a private story for his eyes only. For him only, which she seems the most kind of slighted by because the real truth is women also be recycling

their nudes. Not the way I did it. I'm such an ethical Virgo that I manufacture new nudes for every new guy. Real time. You're like taking them. Yes, I mean, I'm 40 and a mother and haven't set a nude in like a hot minute, but.

I mean, same. But yes, traditionally, historically. But yeah, if I take a nice one and I was on the market, if I was circulating. You're like changing the background, but it's the same photo. It's like Zelensky green screen. You're like, I'm in the Alps, I'm in India. If I was circulating in a'm in the Alps, I'm in India.

If I was circulating in a sexually competitive economy and was trying to get attention from men, I'd definitely be sending the same nudes around. I can't, I'm not gonna do a boudoir photo shoot every time some boob's trying to shill your coin. Trying to nut, you know, it's like, just buy the coin. The funniest part of all of this is that it puts the right wing in a very awkward position because they have no choice but to defend this guy

even though they hate everything that he stands for and the feeling is mutual. Because he didn't do anything wrong and he's behaving as they advocate you should. Yeah, he made a post in the aftermath. He posted a selfie that was like, beautiful day, let's get back to stopping Trump. And it's like, if stopping Trump gets you online pussy, a picture of someone's pussy, I guess.

I mean, hey, I saw this funny tweet that was like the Harry Cezanne thing is infuriating because it reinforces the belief that white men aren't welcome in the Democratic Party. He didn't assault or harass anyone. Hell, everything was consensual. A bunch of women found out Harry wasn't exclusively sexting them and they got butthurt. The internet celebrity didn't think they were a special snowflake. You should be allowed to be horny and a Democrat. You should be able to like women and be a

player and be a Democrat. Fucking ridiculous. This is sort of like James Carville's critique that the Democratic Party shed white male voters because it alienated them by pandering to like women and people of color. And in doing so rendered themselves like non-competitive with the right. And it like reminds me of the stuff that we were talking about last episode with Sam Cedar about how like half the guys in that like gauntlet or like yeah, like soy boys.

Like neutered baristas. And like hipsters, yeah. Or like what would have coded as a hipster. Yeah, because there'sster 10 years ago. No place for young men to go on the left if they have like normal sexual inclinations, which aren't that, like they're not that normal anyway, because they're all filtered through the digital realm.

Well, that's why the distinctly like zoomer quality of this so-called scandal is that it's all like so mediated and depersonalized through technology and everyone's like making front-facing explainer videos. Every girl has like the same kind of manner of speaking, same cadence. He's doing, you know, everything is so like, it made me depressed. Yeah, he has like total Instagram face. And I actually, it dawned on me in researching

Harry Cezanne why I was so struck by Sarah Stock who has, as I predicted since revealed herself to be like a garden variety conservative influencer, Foyd, Groypette, because it's not so much that she's pretty, which she is, it's that she is not camera ready. She's not primed for the camera. She has like bad slouchy posture and isn't like dressing to enhance her features and whatever.

And I find that weirdly endearing and charming cause she like that will come in time but she's not like but it's not even relatable because i think of like how all us girls take selfies and we definitely just like know our angles and have instagram face at all times i mean a selfie is one thing but you know i've i've definitely done some media appearances where i'm a little like flinchy I've definitely done some media appearances where I'm a little flinchy and should perform better. That's true. Our last Meg and Kelly appearance where I was spurging out in the swivel chair.

I'm a mouth breather. A little dead in the eyes. Yeah. You're like trying to be pouty, but you're really just a mouth breathing. Yeah. It's like when you're in a Zoom meeting and you keep like looking at yourself. I like can't, I like, I can start glitching.

I like can't, I like, I start glitching. And in that way, yeah, I find Sarah stock relatable. Yeah, cause she's gonna be corrupted once she's like, put through the turd cutter of the media and she's gonna you know like start wearing ten pounds of makeup and like corny blazers and all this sort of thing but up until now she hasn't been doing that which is just so rare and random I think she's wearing a brandy top and one of her subsequent pod conservative podcast appearances. And all the right wing men were like chimping out at her

and mocking her deflated saggy tits, but I think her tits look nice. Her tits look awesome. They're like a little too big for the brandy top. It's like, you know those tops that have like a seam? Yeah. That's meant for small breasted aristocratic women, but like women of all ilks wear them.

I know the top. And like- I have one. Yeah, but it's like one of my big fashion pet peeves is when like a more endowed woman wears that type of top and her tit is like spilling out under because it just looks bad and trashy. Yeah. There's like almost, it's almost like a built-in bra.

It's supposed to contain them. Yeah. But yeah, people are mad at her cause she's a griper. Yeah. And she's pissed off the Bapasphere. But there's no going back, Sarah Stock. I mean, much like Harry's the son, like, and Nick Fienn. Like, zoomers are just on a different hip.

Yeah, as they should be. Like, there has to be some, like, generational conflict at all times. They're not. Yeah, as they should be. Like there has to be some like generational conflict at all times. They're not. Yeah. And then like subsequent generations like gen alpha or whatever will rediscover the greats. They'll retaliate in their own way. Yeah. But yeah, she's like our Treadcath Fuentard. Mm-hmm. Good for her Fuentfoyed. Yeah

I'll keep following her I'll follow her and she follows me. So I'm gonna try to stay on her good side. So yeah, Harry Sasson, no surprise here. Kind of did nothing wrong. But I resent kind of him being on my radar in the first place. I was like looking at that one of the girls' I was like, you know, went on her like in TikTok and then her Instagram and she had all these like infographics

about ADHD and anxiety. And it seems like if any of these... That's the thing is like no one's confronting anyone in a real way. They're all just making like content. Yeah. That's then circulating. Yeah. That they're like editing.

Get all these people in a room and they like wouldn't be able to make eye contact. Great idea for the next jubilee Harry Cezanne faces off against his female accusers. That is a good idea. Instead of Sam Seder debating people on DI and social security, it's like girls being like, so why don't you text me back? He's like the perimeter. What did you mean when you said I was wifey material? You said my wifey application was approved. I mean, hard lesson to learn, I guess. Yeah, but I guess good for him that he learned it so early on.

So it'll make him- Oh, I mean for them. Oh. Yeah, but I guess good for him that he learned it so early on. So it'll be for them. They can be a little more guarded with their with their hearts. Mm hmm. I mean, like, why would you ever send nudes to a democratic influencer or any influencer for that matter? Well, they're all Democrats. Sure.

But like, like, why would you ever? Cuz you're like ovulating and yeah And you want some male attention and from someone that you think is high status I mean, I yeah, I'm definitely sent needs to People I mean you serve it also, the reason that I like to create new nudes for each new man is not because I'm so noble and ethical, it's because if there is ever a Harry Cezanne type situation

where they all collude against me, which they won't because they're men and they don't care. They definitely will not. Awesome. Yeah, dude're men and they don't care. They definitely awesome I'm not dudes. I don't want anybody comparing notes About what a manipulative foy I am I mean In my case, you can go on a fat bellow. Yeah, you can watch one of the independent films I've been in it's there's not that much mystique really.

Yeah. But maybe that's a winning strategy too, because Yeah. You diffuse. If you obliterate your mystique in the public eye, you can rebuild it in private situations. Yeah. Which is cool and horny. I mean, yeah. Someone would have to be really special to warrant like a brand new like your fiance, my fiance, um, who I've sent, yeah, nudes too, but he also,

you know, it's, I can't really send him like a from my old apartment. He knows kind of where I am and what time of day it is. You're just sending him a screen cap from Wobble Palace. You're just like, picture yourself as the Indian guy. That's how porn works. I think people don't even realize how doxed I got this week because I didn't want to draw attention to it. And it's getting, I told Allison day of I was like, I got fucking doxed. And she was like, you've been doxed.

She was like, everyone knows, you know, I was like, no, literally like my phone number got posted online To a community of really pissed off Indian guys. Yeah, and I didn't do dot or whatever they're called Yeah, like Hindu nationalists started gang stalking me and calling me on the phone for Something I didn't I truly didn't do anything this time at all for something I didn't, I truly didn't do anything this time at all. It's like Modi on the other end of the line wearing his little vest to being like, deploy the soldiers against Dasha. Vivek, call off your goons, man.

The whole call center blowing up my phone. It's Vivek because he got us confused. It really was. I was like, is there a call center that they're all operating from where they are harassing women? Some guy today was like, you Catholic fetal alcohol bitch. And I was like, no, that's the other one. I'm Jewish and look like Nosferatu. Get your story straight.

But that's one of the hardest parts about getting doxxed is that you can't like especially wrong way doxxed in my case is that I can't like I don't want to amplify it so I'm like individually responding to people being like please like, I'm the country singer. Please stop calling me. And a couple of them took accountability to their credit and capped off their like day long stream of death threats with like, oh, I'm very sorry for the inconvenience. You are the wrong person.

But it fucking sucked. Luckily, they were mostly on WhatsApp, which I don't use that much. So it was pretty easy to nip that. But then some of them would try and FaceTime me and just all day I had to kind of be like, I'm so sorry, boss. May you have a splendid and needful day. You should do the howling mutant thing when this is blown over and publish the highlights. I'm so scared. The Indian community who I guess it was Monday. It's all a blur. But yeah, I woke up, my level of anti-Indian sentiment

was very low, neutral. And by the end of the day, I was like, these people are animals. There's something wrong with them. But yeah. You're like, listen, you street shitter. And it's some guy being like, this is up. Just the anger and horniness. Yeah, the double threat. It was. I feel like Taylor Lorenz. Yeah, the way I'm traumatized by a whole new Democrat.

I thought Libtard being mad at me was bad. I know, I know. But there should be a matchmaking service for Hindu nationalists who call you aggressively and Harry Cezanne's victims since they're both horny online. Right. They could get, you know, well, I think they'd be very disloyal. It seems like their energy is very all over the place. And I don't think they could be loyal to one person who sent them nudes. Yeah.

Much like Harry Sasan. I feel like an Indian guy's brain would explode if a white woman sent him a nude. Well in the end, once there was some rectification, there was one Indian guy who was like, I knew it was a not you from the beginning because I listened to your podcast and also I love Wobble Palace. And they were calling me the porno girl that I was some, I was an anti-Indian racist who did a porno with an Indian guy when I did a comedic sex scene almost 10 years ago with my dear Indian friend,

Vish, in a classy independent film. But I was like, my spouse is part Desi. And they were all like, yeah, right, you are lying. I'm like, no, it's true. I just went to visit his family in Trinidad. Please no. But botched at the Indians. I was one of their, you know, on this very show. I know, I know you've been a staunch Indian defender.

I've gone to bat for them. Yeah. No good deed goes unpunished. Look how they treat me worse than anyone. They act so bad, Anna. I know. They're sending me like weird, like gangbang porno gifts. I'm like, where'd you even get this?

They're sending you that one pic that Mattie always sends of the black guy with the huge dick. But all good. Yeah. They stopped for the most part. Only got a couple calls today. Anyway, I'm sorry that happened to you. It's okay.

Haven't you felt like it's been really negative? Yeah, I was thinking of deactivating because it's so bad. It's been really everyone's like seething and like gleeful. Like there's this like twisted glee that people are partaking in that feels escalated. More than you. It's like it's been a toxic atmosphere for a while. Yes, definitely. But I mean, that's the one downside that nobody talks about

of Elon taking the guardrails off the censorship regime when he acquired Twitter, which is that the lack of censorship gives people nothing to fight against really. So they just like go at each other like crabs in a bucket. And it's just like super, super deranged. I don't like it. Like Vanderpump rules, infighting.

I can't, Blossy and Jack the Perfume nationalist. Like what's going on? Why are we lashing out at each other when we all used to be posting? Yeah, the Bapist here guys versus Richard Hanania. People were mad at me because I champed at Richard Hanania for telling Martin captive dream, that he was relieved that his brother was dead and that Martin should consider his legacy moving forward,

which I thought was despicable, not because Dick has certain uncomfortable, but honest feelings about his brother. Charles Brenner talks about this, the famous line that you should not, he was a psychoanalyst and the president of New York Psychoanalytic and he had this famous line that you should not,

as a clinician, offer condolences to your patients because you rob them of the opportunity of processing certain unwelcome emotions about the loss of like a loved one, like a family member or a significant other, such as relief being the most common one. And my issue with Hanania making that point was precisely because it was not so honest,

even though it looked honest at the time, because basically what he's doing is he is worried about how it makes him look and trying to distance himself from sharing like a common lineage, a bloodline with his brother in the replies to a guy who insulted him. Yeah.

So in a weird backhanded way, he's like groveling for acceptance from the masses. And it's not that he shouldn't have those feelings because his brother's like literally a sociopath who kidnapped some dogs, not for ransom, but to murder them in cold blood by throwing them off of a parking garage roof. Yeah.

But like, you know, if he really wanted to be honest about it, he would say nothing and just like live, learn to live with those feelings. Or maybe he could write a personal essay, I don't know, but. That's all very dishonorable. Yeah. Martin blocked me. Oh, did he?

Yeah. Oh, he went through with it, interesting. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Because I said that it seemed like he did have kind of a penchant for drama. I even said, don't be mad at me. Yeah, but whatever. Big mistake.

I mean, whatever his loss, I find his content pretty hateful. So I'm actually glad not to see it. But lately, I haven't really, I haven't been liking what I'm seeing. Any of this stuff? Well, yeah, that's the thing that really pissed me off because people were like, oh, you're going to bat for that guy. And it's like, whatever. He has some good posts.

He's made an important contribution to Trump world. But that's not the point. I'm not defending Martin here. I am criticizing Richard. There's a meaningful difference there. I know, but Richard doesn't stand for anything. No. Never has.

Whatever. Yeah, I don't even know where we're, we can move on to Gwyneth Paltrow and Timothée Chalamet. Yeah, Gwen's in the news. Yeah. Because she hasn't acted in a while. In 15 years, she hasn't had a starring role. I was shocked by that.

Well, she hasn't wanted one. No, I know. But like, that's just remarkable. had a starring role. I was shocked by that. Well she hasn't wanted one. No I know but like that's just remarkable. She really pivoted to being a lifestyle influencer. Yeah good for her honestly. Which was very smart um but she's in the new Safdie Brothers movie Marty Supreme. Oh, right, okay. Which is about a Jewish ping pong player. Yeah, it's like about a ping pong champion who has like an age gap affair with the wife of his rival.

Played by Timothy Chalamet. And she made news for refusing an intimacy coordinator and said that in her time away from the spotlight, she wasn't even aware that this was now a feature. Just a little disingenuous. Yeah, I used one of the first people to come out against Harvey Weinstein.

One of his accusers, and I know like people at the time thought that they were championing justice for or seeking justice for sexual assault victims, not contributing to a new era of totalitarian controls. But that's exactly what happens. Whenever there's a crisis, real or manufactured, as we'll get into with the COVID stuff, there are certain bad actors who seize on that opportunity

to insert themselves and gain a livelihood. I went on the, because I did some, I know we've talked about intimacy coordinators previously, but I ended up looking at the site where you can get certification to become an intimacy coordinator. We should do that. And it's the biggest, it's like, it's just such a stupid,

I guess it's not a Ponzi scheme. I'm not gonna, but it's like a total fucking racket for like damaged people in Hollywood who need a new job and who have been a new job that's been mandated by the studios. Yeah, they're bureaucrats. It's so, it was so- Middleman, whatever.

Yeah, they act as liaisons between the talent and the director or producer to voice any discomforts that might arise from, but the list of like, it's not just for sex scenes, you can like have one for any scene that involves power dynamics. Which is literally like any scene with two people

or more than one person. Yeah, I mean, it's like farcical. And when I had worked with an intimacy coordinator, it was Jennifer Connolly. And she also was like, you know, it was like this lady did ass to ass in Requiem for a Dream. You think she needs an intimacy coordinator yet?

Jennifer Aniston actually had a good line in that article that you sent me where she dismissed an intimacy coordinator during a sex scene with Jon Hamm. And she said, I'm like, please, this is awkward enough. We're seasoned, we can figure this one out. I can like hear it in her voice. And Gwyneth said, I mean, we have a lot of sex

in this movie. There's a lot, a lot. A lot. Jack was right, sex is back. Great PR. Yeah. I would feel. For Marty Supreme. That's such a gay and Jewish, like,

cookies hoops ass title for a movie. I'll still watch that. I know, me too. Especially now there's a lot of sex in it that wasn't properly coordinated. That there's full penetration. And he hits it raw after the wine tasting. You're 14 and I'm 109.

She said I would feel as an artist very stifled by that. Sure. I mean, not now. I mean, it's outrageous. It's mortifying. It only makes people's job, much like the COVID bureaucrats who would tell you to put your mask on every 15 seconds

on a set circa 2021. Yeah, they really just kind of impede creativity and the vital work that's done by actors. Yeah, I mean, it's like what we said on like the last or before last episode that like your job as an actor is literally to be triggered. You can't like have somebody there with like a clipboard or a notebook hovering over you. Even the name and the idea of like coordinating intimacy is such a joke. Yeah, you're like aiming for like naturalism

and or extremity. And there's some fucking bitch with like Sarah Stock bad posture, hanging around by the catering table. We cannot be talking about people's posture. I know, I know. Your posture is better than mine, I guess. I like, as much Pilates as I do, thanks, you know.

I have the core strength, but much like my vocal fry, I lack the energy to module. To like lift yourself up. Just can't do it. That's a good thing. Again, why- People who set up too straight are weird. Again, why I find Sarah Stock compelling

on a strictly aesthetic level because I love a squirrely little slacker. Yeah. It's like so charming and endearing in a world of like perfectly poised, media trained influencers. Yeah. But these TikToks loves really just ain't it. Like, you know, I just don't buy it.

I can't fathom the appetite people have to like consume this sort of thing I think it's it's actually like so like the reality is so depressing because it's they just don't have anything else They don't have other alternatives And everybody's attention spans are zapped. So the idea of like reading a book or watching a movie or like even sitting through one of those like old historical debates seems unfathomable, intolerable. They just want like all of Harry Sasson's videos are like,

right, like if on the grid, it's like his face, same background, same font, same text. Yeah, he's like walking down the street, his hair billowing, yeah. And I guess it's like digestible. Yeah. But it sucks. At least Fuentes has, you know,

he's like the duration of a streaming. Well, Fuentas is old school because he has like a kind of David Letterman, Johnny Carson, late night TV set that like makes you think of like smoking meth in a motel room with a rent boy. And it's kind of glamorous in a seedy way. It's not glamorous at all, but.

But he's like, what he does take some, it takes stamina and charisma. Yeah, he's like an old fashioned broadcaster in that way, to his credit. The Jews were also mad at me because I called that woman calling for like the genocide of Palestinian babies and children mentally ill. She said babies aren't civilians.

Yeah, and there was all these Jews being like, well, you're just jealous because you'll never be a Jew. And I was like, I hope the Kruiper see this. I hope Nick Fuentes sees this and realizes I'm one of the good ones. And then some Jewish bitch informed me that this bitch wasn't even Jewish. And she was like a Christian evangelical nationalist

who was like an ultra Zionist. But like Abby Libby sounds pretty Jewish to me, like who the fuck knows. Like you're just responding to the fact that she has pale skin and curly hair. Well that is a millennial, she's a millennial, she must be a millennial dispensationalist. What is that? That's a type of Christian evangelical that believe in, well, we all believe in the second coming, but that the Jews specifically have to have Israel

for Christ to come back. Really? Mm-hmm. Thanks. And that then there's a period of tribulation, or like, I don't know the timeline exactly because it's erroneous but uh yeah there's like a period of there's a rapture and then a period of tribulation if we don't deport Mahmood Khalil there will be there will be no second coming

well there's gonna be a second coming no matter what but we do not know the time come in no matter what but we do not know the time talking about but yeah that's a very like bush era yeah that's why a lot of christian evangelicals align with sinists because they all think is real belongs to the jews i see yeah and then it's part of the terms and conditions for in conditions for the return. But yeah, this is how I know I'm doing something right. Because I have Groyper's mad at me because I'm Jewish. And then I have Jews mad at me because I'm not Jewish enough. I've got Indians mad at me for no reason at all.

Really? Yeah. My shrink was like, be honest, Anna, you're really like pissing people off. And I was like, yeah, a little bit. It's your sending nudes. But it's my love language. Yeah.

It's because I love you all and want you to think and stop being such retards. Like you can totally like hold two mutually exclusive thoughts in your mind at the same time. These people can't. A lot of people can't. And it's like, yes, Hamas, not to say the Palestinians, have a death cult and a martyrdom cult, and they willingly offer up their offspring for slaughter

because it's the only way that they can get the world's attention because they're fighting a losing war where they're like outnumbered and out-militarized. So it becomes this like mucky Freudian, like codependent thing between the Jews and the Palestinians. But at the same time, it doesn't logically follow from that, that like all Palestinian children should be genocided off the face of the earth. That's where you lose me, bro.

Because they're de facto Hamas by being born. Yeah, they're de facto enemy combatants. They're terrorists in training. Like I don't want to live in a society with people who think that way. No. Sorry, count me No. Sorry. Count me out.

Sorry. I'm sorry. I disappointed you guys. I'm sorry. Thought I was a Zionist. Well, speaking of Zionists, Gal Gadot got a Hollywood star this week. are this week. And I kind of because much like India have turned on Israel a little bit, you know, they haven't been good to me. So I was, you know, I was everyone hates Gal Gadot. Uh huh. I have no opinion about Gal Gadot. Uh-huh. I have no opinion about Gal Gadot.

She's random, but she, whatever. You know, she was in the IDF as a fitness instructor, by the way. And they make you be in, yeah, everyone hates her for being a Zionist, but she's literally Israeli. But you like have to be in the IDF as a young person in Israel. Like they kind of have no choice. It's mandatory. Unless you're orthodox.

Yeah. But yeah, when you turn 18, if you live in Israel, you have to join the IDF. Which, by the way, just like in a vacuum, setting aside what they're doing currently, it's not a bad idea to make all young people in a certain in a country serve in the military in some capacity. It's like the longest unpaid internship or do they get paid for it? They probably get I mean they get like lodging and food and I mean, I think they probably have paid jobs. Well, they're not most women in the idea for not tick tock slots. Yeah.

They have a really important job boosting morale, but no, most of them aren't combatants. They take like kind of administrative roles or they send instructors or send nudes to other soldiers. I, Belarus has mandatory cons for men. Most countries don't do it for men and women. You're right. In Israel, if you're, I think, pregnant, obviously you don't have to, you can, or religious, like, yeah, a lot of women exempt themselves,

but I think most don't. And then most of that percentage don't become like soldiers. They kind of do something supportive. I mean, it's a good idea for an ethnostate. But I think like Gal Gadot is a Zionist probably, but it doesn't follow from her serving in the idea that she would be a Zionist necessarily. It follows from her being a Zareli.

Being an avowed open Zionist. She is a Zionist, but she's an Israeli person. Right. So of course she's not gonna like. Yeah, I mean it's like what I said about Mahmoud Khalil. It's like he has every prerogative to be pro-Palestinian and anti-Israel, duh. Why it'd be much more like disturbing I think

if she, well, partly because this isn't really like, in Hollywood doesn't, it's not really exist. There's not like, really an anti-Zionist sentiment for obvious reasons. Right. So it wouldn't exactly be like a brave or smart position for her to take, but it also is like, she's from Israel. She was Miss Israel. That's how she became a model and then eventually an actress. And her family is from, she's Israeli. You can't just hate someone for being Israeli.

Yes, you can. You can't just hate someone for being so friendly. Yes, you can. I mean, you can, but I actually... But I see where you're going. Yeah, I don't think much of her as an actress. I didn't want really to come around on the gal good dough question, but I ended up sort of being like, oh, it kind of sucks that everyone's like Piling on her. Yeah routine. I mean, she's mad and rolling. Yeah, she made that imagine video. I remember that

Which I think is really when she kind of fell into disfavor, yeah But even prior to that she's made like pro-israel comments, but she is from Israel no other like kind of actor from a different country I guess except the Russians and you know like it's kind of baseless to just renounce to be mad at her for doing what she's naturally inclined to do. Her and Rachel Ziegler don't get along. Rachel Ziegler also sounds Jewish. She might be partly. Or German, I don't know.

She's Hispanic. She has a hairy back. Yeah. That's the story. Take a number. Well, the woke Snow White is premiering soon or recently, whichever. And apparently they've closed the premiere of sort of to press and the relationship between Ziegler and Godot is pretty contentious due to their political differences. But this movie's been kind of a train wreck the whole time. Yeah.

We should go see it. We should. We should review it. That would be fun. But it's all kind of, it makes, I feel like Hollywood's just so all over the place. Everything feels so tenuous and no one really knows who to really be mad at or what bets to play. Like, because everyone's hedging their bets. Yeah. And also this movie was developed and made at like the peak of wokeness and is only coming out now

when wokeness has been rejected at the time. So it's like rife for dissection, I guess. And it's been recut, they like delayed releasing it too because they tried to recut it and there was some backlash I think for, for either real dwarves, or I don't remember if people were mad at the CGI dwarves, or the real dwarves, or what. The able, there was some ableism.

The dwarves are dirtbag leftists. And also Gal Gadot plays the bat, she plays a witch. So maybe lay off, maybe she's being well cast. Maybe we need evil Zionists to play Jewish witches. Yeah, you should be happy. What are you mad about? She got a Hollywood star. This is an allegory for Israel Palestine.

Interesting. Yo, my mom sent me the craziest DM that I sent to you where she was like, you know, I think Enora is a metaphor for how Trump prostitutes himself. Oh, interesting. Hot take. Yeah. Wow.

Advanced. I see where you get it. She's playing that 4D schizoid job. What are you talking about? Sean Baker is probably MAGA. Now I feel like Richard Hanani is denouncing his brother. Yeah, very Freudian week online all around. Yeah, I couldn't sleep last night

and I was like for some reason thinking of George Floyd and how in a weird way his legacy has been honored because he's become like a worldwide mascot of racial justice even though he's like, even that Twitter account, GeorgeDroid, which is like, do you know that? It's so funny, I'll send it to you. It's like these really advanced AI's

where George Floyd is like a cyborg operative who's trying to get the Fent. And the Fent doesn't exist in the fourth or fifth dimension. It's its own dimension. It's like super matrix and like it's obviously like a satire of heredity, but it actually like makes George Floyd look super baller and like a pimp. So in a weird way, it does him justice.

I was like up at like three or four a.m. thinking like George Floyd, George Floyd, George Floyd, George Freud. George Floyd. How about a black psychoanalyst called George Freud, who runs into major roadblocks treating his patients because they don't understand counterfactuals. his patience because they don't understand counterfactuals. Because he's on fentanyl. And he yeah, instead of giving them cocaine, he gives them Fenty. Wow, Anna, you really are firing on all cylinders. What sobriety does to a bitch?

I have all these false memories of Red Scare episode titles and that feels like one. George Freud. I'm like, surely we must have used that at some point. He's like, nah, nah, nah, you ain't gonna wanna offer condolences to your patients. Because y'all, you might rob them of processing the relief that they feel kind of like I robbed that pregnant lady and kicked her in the stomach. They're glad the bitch died. When you're glad your bitch will die.

I'm full of time. I think Rachel Zeigler's back hair is cute. I don't mind it. Hot take. She looks like Lenny when he was first born. I know. He was fully giving Bengali. He had like a hairy forehead, hairy back, hairy fingers, fully black haired.

Then he went through like a blonde phase. Yeah, he was a chestnut. Now he's back to being like a chestnut brunette, but. I'll probably throw out a level six. He's scoring low on that Aryan test, I hate to say it. Well, I don't mind. I'm not a fan of Aryans aesthetically or in their temple or anything. I was just thinking about this because you know everyone's always accusing me of wanting a white ethnostate and I'm like, no, I really don't everyone's always accusing me of wanting a white ethnostate and I'm like, nah, I really don't.

Because I personally don't mind and even prefer the idea of like Anglo-Saxons governing over everyone. But do I necessarily want to have, I mean, that wouldn't happen because I would just be deported, but like entertain the hypothetical. Do I necessarily want to have like because I would just be deported, but like entertain the hypothetical. Do I necessarily wanna have like only like white Aryan Jared Taylor ass friends? No. I don't think I have any Aryan friends, honestly. Yeah.

I mean, I definitely don't. I don't even really want them to govern us either. I thought the Jews, you know, for me the Jews really. Well, I think it would be great if the top layer of governance was like Anglos and then their kind of managers and handlers were Jews. That would probably work out pretty well. That sounds like a, yeah.

A workable solution. That sounds okay. Everybody could be happy. Yeah. And of course solution. That sounds okay. Everybody could be happy. Yeah. And of course, everybody else could be represented. Some people will not be happy. Yeah. But on the body hair question,

even though I've personally chosen to have all of mine removed with lasers. Mm-hmm. That's what we call female intrasexual competition. You're like, you get that short haircut, girl. That pixie cut is gonna look great on you. I like your back hair. But no, I do find, I like, you know,

she's a young, beautiful girl. Yeah, I wasn't personally. She's got downy soft hairs on her back. It's, I don't know. And also it's like the camera adds 10 pounds, but it also magnifies all your other flaws. Like I'm sure her back hair, it looks more like peach fuzz IRL.

Of course. Not like the body hair of like one of those Hindutva warriors that's like calling you. Well, yeah. And then I saw people posting like old glamour shots those Hindutva warriors that's calling you. Well, yeah. And then I saw people posting old glamour shots of the actress that supposedly inspired the animated Snow White. Yeah.

Who was, you know, but it's like, oh yeah, pictures of actresses used to be fucking blown out. Yeah. There used to be like four pictures of them. Yeah. And they were like. They were like all Vaseline filtered. Yeah, they were constantly like over-lit,

wearing tons of makeup. You wouldn't be able to see if they had any like blemishes. Yeah, and they were using the same photo that they had taken when they were 19 or 25, well into their 40s. It's like Bap spurging out in the TL about how he doesn't publish recent photos of like that Italian body influencer Pietro Boccelli.

Because he's like, yeah, and his features have hardened with age. That is so gay. I know I told him I was gonna denounce him over that because that was the first time I was like, boop, you gay. I mean, he loves that guy. But not anymore. He said that women who like men who look older are coping.

I mean, that's just not true. Like I like a man who looks like an actor in a John Cassavetes film. Glass eye. Yeah. Jewish glass eye, 20 pounds overweight or 20 pounds underweight. Totally.

I fail to believe that's, it's totally cope. I don't think so. Even when I was young, I wasn't like smitten with young men. Like guys your age, you're like, ew. Yeah. I'm like, what are you 19? And I definitely yeah yeah and I definitely don't like covet younger men now no obviously like neoteny is

attractive to you know human level yeah a man's attractiveness doesn't exactly map onto the same coordinates that a female attractiveness does. And older men are obviously hotter than a hairy Sasan. I think like, neoteny is attractive to men, which is understandable because it signals for fertility. Like it's a biological construct. Yeah. But neoteny is unattractive to women

because it signals for youth and inexperience and you want a man who's like a patriarch and a provider. Immaturity. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I guess it's not necessarily always the case. But on this podcast we, yeah. Well, it reminded me of like. We love old fat guys.

Yep. But I think in both men and women and like, you know, charisma just goes- It really does. So far. Yeah, and that's like the most beautiful thing that like there are these kind of like basic objective guidelines,

but the best people always kind of like buck or transcend them, which is what makes them so compelling and charismatic. Personally, I find everyone involved in the Harry Sasson saga to be very unattractive. True, that's like some guy when I was fighting, when I was commenting on like the Richard Hanania versus Captive Dreamer, Spat was like,

let me begin by saying that everyone in this exchange is repulsive. And I was like, yes, yes. And then he went on to, he's like, but Anna, you're the most repulsive one. I was like, really? Compared to Richard Hanania? Come on. No, he's like, but Anna, you're the most repulsive one. I was like, really? Compared to Richard Hananya? Come on.

No, no, no. Come on. No, no, no, no, no. No way. No, dog. But yeah, all the girls kind of the same. He definitely has a type. Yeah.

And it's this kind of like, Democrat brunette. Like what Monica calls a m like Democrat brunette. Like what Monica calls a mousy brunette. Yeah. But I was also struck by how like cute and makeupless they were. They also weren't like primed for the cameras. They were like nice, normal, natural girls.

I mean, they're probably using, the one who was a domestic abuse survivor was using some kind of glaring filter. I hate to say this, but whenever I hear domestic abuse, I think of the TLP article on Penelope Trunk and how she would publish nudes of herself with visible bruises. And it was, you know, circling back to the homeless problem.

He, much like they, not all homeless people, but specific, I'm like really, like doing damage control like Richard Gnania, but a specific segment or demographic of people who refuse to go through the shelter system and choose to live on the street. That's, they're constitutionally homeless. Yeah, they're constitutionally antisocial,

radical personalities that don't accept, they reject help. He makes the point that I've made on this podcast many times that women who are chronically embroiled in abusive relationships have a kind of codependent dynamic where usually they're BPD and the guy is a narcissist and they, it doesn't mean that they're like bad people or unworthy of compassion or deserve to be abused. Or deserved. Or yeah.

Or deserved, yeah right. It just means that they have a certain personality type who is locked into that. Well, Paulia talks about this too, like about the cycle of the women being complicit in the cycle of abuse because they become addicted to kind of the apology and the drama. Right.

And they, you know, enable. Because negative attention is better than no attention. That's kind of the essence of what BPD is. And, did you know the average age gap amongst married couples in America is 2.3 years. That's innocent. But it's closed a lot pretty rapidly.

Okay. Or yeah, it used to be about five around the turn of the century. And then if you look, I looked at the chart and it was like a really steep decline. And then if you look, I looked at the chart and it was like a really steep decline. Um, but that obviously correlates with marriage in general. Mary also declining. Yeah.

And coming later in life or not at all. Yeah. And yeah, like women becoming economically emancipated. So they no longer need patriarchal figures. Yeah. Well, yeah. Or and subsidize them obviously. Yeah. I bring this up because right. Like when you talk about domestic abuse,

you at its most like, you know, heinous is obviously a situation where a woman is like a housewife who doesn't have, she's not able to leave her husband. They don't, yeah, we don't have no fault divorces. We, you know, she literally cannot leave and is trapped. Yeah, and I think if you do like a sociological analysis of the way that domestic abuse has even changed over the years, yeah. Yeah. But it's increasingly rare that people in abusive dynamics actually aren't able to escape.

Yeah. Yeah, that's well said and very smart. It's true. Yeah. So basically then you're selecting for people who have certain personality dispositions that make them more prone to stay in abusive relationships. Because it fulfills some kind of psychic or sexual need. But always like I think these things operate at a lag where like, yeah, like when people think of homeless people, they think of kindly old, eccentric, black war vets or a single mom with five kids who's escaped a domestic abuse situation.

And that no longer pertains. People were telling me that- Hobos don't even have bindles anymore. Yeah, they don't. Lindy. You don't see that much nowadays. Yeah, and people were pointing out that like the highest growing population

or the fastest growing population of homeless people are the elderly, which I didn't know, but I would totally believe, but those people are not the same people living in the encampment under the scaffolding. No, those are people going into shelters, sleeping in their car, that sort of thing. Right. I guess social security. Yeah. And of course, for those people, I have only utter compassion. Of course.

Yeah, when you talk about, we need another word for homeless people that doesn't upset people like bombs or vagrants. We need like kind of a neutral sounding terminology to refer to like a subset of homelessness, especially in New York. Unhoused doesn't really work because that's too broad a category and too euphemistic a category. I mean, it's literally, I mean, it's a little long-winded but it's mentally ill injection drug users. Yeah.

That's like what it comes down to, but anyway. Yeah, maybe that could catch on to that. M I I D U. I text you what I watched enlightened. Finally, it's the best. It's so good when she tries to start the like women's organization. Her company is called Wah. It really is such a masterfully done show. It's so good.

And all the more masterful because it preceded the era of wokeness and he's basically profiling the classic middle-aged female libtard. He like foresaw. It's like the lady who showed up at Nick Fuentes' house and got kicked down the stairs. Totally! Like, I have to do something.

Yeah, and like on the East Coast, they're like overwhelmingly like Jewish chicks with like purple hair. And then on the West coast, they're like childless hippies. Waspy hippie at Laura Dern types. I have to pee. Yeah, me too. Okay, then we can broach the COVID article. Yeah. Okay, I'm gonna to crack the Coke Zero because I need to be sober for this segment. Why Coke Zero?

Oh, I don't know. It's just like what was available. They didn't have Diet Coke. No, randomly. What is this, Europe? Yeah, they only have Coke Zero. It's Chinatown. What is this Europe? Yeah, they only have Coke Zero. It's Chinatown.

RFK Jr. strikes. Wait, what? Wait, you're talking so quietly. I can't hear anything over the- Sorry, sorry, sorry. I was just saying, because RFK Jr. because people were saying he was going to ban Diet Coke. Oh, faggot.

But I don't think he can do that. I don't think he is, I think it's just. With a president like Donald Trump. Exactly. Yeah, that's not gonna happen. We're getting our McDonald's. Okay, so there was an op-ed in the New York crimes called,

we were badly misled about the event that changed our lives about COVID. Yeah, and it's sort of like officially accepts the theory that COVID escaped from a lab conducting gain of function research versus spontaneously jumped from an animal to human host in a wet market. And it also officially acknowledges that the, quote, prominent scientists and public health officials dismissing it as a conspiracy theory were misleading and deceiving the public through

like collusion and lies. So like five years too late, but. Well, the woman who wrote it, Zeynep Tufekci. Tufekci, because I, yeah, you, I know you are familiar with her. I looked at some of her other articles and she's kind of been saying this for a while. Okay. She's had, over the last couple years,

she's kind of phoning in her, Yeah. Her op-ed job. And sort of reiterating, yeah, that COVID was handled poorly. And so this article really wasn't like a real departure from anything she said in the recent past at least. But she's like an independent outsider that the New York Times let in.

It's like a departure from what they've been saying. Well she's been writing for the Times for a while. But it's always been, yeah, a kind of, you know, as in this article as well as like, it's kind of this plausibly neutral tone. And this article in particular was notable for its title. Which is like a classic example of like media passive voice. Because. Yes, which is like a classic example of like media passive voice. Yeah.

Where they were like, oh, we were misled. And it's like, no, we weren't misled, you misled us. You specifically, the New York Times. Brother, who did the misleading? Is the misleader in the room with us right now? Oh, it's you? And she's basically like, oh, you know, you'd think this was ancient history

and we've learned our lesson and can all move on with stricter safety protocols and you'd be wrong. And to me, what was interesting was what was missing from her account. I'll get into this because I have my whole sheath of printouts, but she cites, yeah, these prominent scientists and public health officials, but where's the media in all of this?

Like the big question is like, what was the chain of command? Was it the prominent scientists and public health officials that were directing the media on behalf of the government, or did the media actually have more of an independent and controlling role in setting the consensus and siding with the establishment?

And the other thing that was missing was, you know, was it all, was it just all these like forces aligned to dismiss the lab leak hypothesis as a conspiracy theory, or was there also like serious censorship and cancellation involved Wow, like she you know, it's not just that they said like hey guys this is like a far-fetched dystopian fantasy and you should maybe like

Not promote it so much across your socials. They actually really silenced and smeared any dissenting voices at the time. And it wasn't just dissident, like virologists or researchers or journalists. It was like everyday people who dared to speak up or ask questions. to speak up or ask questions. Mm-hmm. Well, you know that guy, Donald McNeil Jr.?

Okay, he was a call—he was—had been writing at the Times since the 70s. Oh, the guy who got fired? For saying the N-word. Yeah. He was, like, a science reporter? Is that the guy you're talking about? He resigned from the New York Times in 2021 following a report that high school students on a trip to Peru accused him of making racially offensive remarks.

But he's been had been at the Times since the 70s. Okay. And he originally was a, he was sort of espousing like the party line. He was reaffirming like the zoonotic transmission theories. And after he left the Times, he was essentially fired. There was like people signed a petition because he he said the N word but apparently in like a referential way. Like he was quoting. Yeah. He said don't say boob or whatever. And then was like years later there was like a public outcry. And

yeah his colleagues basically kind of like ousted him from the Times and then he took to Medium and he has since then spoken out about how he was deliberately that yeah, the basically the Times sidelined any like credible lab leak hypothesis. Any skepticism. Yeah. Or doubt, yeah, criticism.

And though he himself was skeptical about the lab leak, it's because he was told so by like certain like biologists and health officials and that he's since like come around. But he's like a very clear cut example of someone who's like absolutely like sidelined and then ousted for not uh her voice conforming yeah skepticism and yeah and in retrospect i was thinking that like in a backhanded way they did us all a solid um because that really paved the way for the

dominance of independent media which was already on the rise. But I think it was that moment that really like, let it take over because of the crisis of faith that all of these establishment media institutions had provoked. So you had guys who were basically like blacklisted or fired or debanked going on Joe Rogan and spreading their really crazy and kooky COVID theories,

AKA telling the truth about COVID, when no one else would. This is a bit of a digression, but you will see where I'm going with this. Recently, someone published a bubble chart that shows that right-wing voices dominate independent media. I saw this. And it's like, you know, the usual suspects like Joe Rogan,

Tucker Carlson, Jordan Peterson, Ben Shapiro, Russell Brand, Candice Owens, Charlie Kirk, whatever. And the liberal takeaway from this was that the left needs to fund more podcasts and manufacture a left-wing Joe Rogan, nevermind that Joe Rogan is already the left-wing Joe Rogan, never mind that Joe Rogan is already the left-wing Joe Rogan. That guy, Constantine Kissin, put it really well, though I disagree with his ultimate

conclusions. He says, they think that the right-leaning media creates more right-leaning people when the reality is that left-leaning media creates more right-leaning people who are put off by their increasingly deranged behavior and messaging. And their solution to this is to fund more podcasters and influencers, which totally misses the mark because the reality is that independent media, which is basically at this point synonymous with right-wing media, is almost entirely organically funded because their messaging resonates with people.

And I think that was totally an effect of COVID specifically, though probably like Gamergate, Me Too, like all these other big phenomena. And I would say like where he's wrong is that it's not the messaging that resonates with people because let's face it, right wing messaging is often very tacky and inflammatory. It's the ideas themselves, but not even like the ideas themselves. It's that just like they like the right wing has ideas that are good and true and they have ideas that are bad false. It's just that they seem more willing to tell the truth about the big picture. This other guy James Kirkpatrick of VDAR put it,

well, it's not just that their entire worldview is based in fiction, it's that they wanna make it illegal to base your views on reality. And I think that this was like directly an aftermath of COVID that was like a silver lining. Well, COVID also exacerbated, like, a mental health crisis, the real pandemic amongst people by like, isolating them and depriving them from within.

Like normal real world contact. Yeah. So they became increasingly siloed. And then liberal media just seemed well, anytime you like are suppressing something, yeah, regardless of whether or not it's true. It's going to make people question why it is you don't. And then those people are kind of summarily gaslit, which makes them angrier and more resentful.

So then they lash out by becoming more right wing, getting red pill trolling, et cetera, et cetera. Yeah, she had some article about how the lab where she actually has been pretty like centrist on the lab leak idea in the past and obviously she's beholden to editors and you know her employers I guess. But she had some piece a while back where she talked about how yeah the lab leak theory was weaponized by bad faith actor. Yeah I want to get into that because that was one of my big issues with her thesis in this article. Um, yeah, that basically it was like, it's really like kind of, um, denying responsibility.

Yeah, exactly. And so like, but it doesn't stop there. Another big issue I had is that in some ways the origins of COVID are like less interesting than what happened next. Because not only did they lie to us about where it came from, they lied to us about what to do about it. So like early on, remember, there was like a big discourse about ventilators. And they were putting people in respiratory distress on ventilators and people were dying because they didn't have enough ventilators to go around and it became like this very hot button political issue. And then it turns out that actually intubating people

is very invasive and aggressive and was not such a good idea because it created a lot of unnecessary casualties. There was of course the question of lockdowns and social distancing versus like achieving herd immunity. And it turns out there's some evidence that the countries that didn't implement those protocols like Sweden and Belarus tended to fare better.

There was the issue of vaccines, which they were pushing onto the public, obviously even on pregnant women and small children. They were downplaying the fact that the vaccines had certain rare but adverse reactions like myocarditis, especially in young men. Recently on a hunch, I googled the occurrence of adult onset stills disease, which was like the rare, bizarre, very serious autoimmune response I had from getting COVID while being unvaccinated

in the vaccinated. And I found a ton of medical papers saying that this was a phenomenon that was associated with COVID vaccination. And I remember at the time, like getting out of the hospital and, you know, innocently telling the truth about why we were on hiatus for so long and getting like so viciously piled on. I remember, dude. It was so dark and abysmal and I like you know bad because I was like encouraged you I feel to what at the time to talk about oh no it's fine it's like what everybody I know who I'm friends with was like you did the right

thing and like I was like on this, you know on this podcast We tell the truth. Yeah, I mean I'll always tell the truth but You know, there's not a ton of data available because it's such a rare response They're simply not a large enough sample size, but there is a discernible trend and People you should die for not getting back I remember like trying to defend myself and saying like, hey, there's like a chance I would have ended up having this reaction anyway, had I been vaccinated.

And which felt to me at the time medically unwise because I was pregnant and later nursing and I was like merely trying to protect my unborn and then infant child and like getting laughed out of the room and people were like, you're delusional and coping. But this woman had published an op-ed also probably around that time about how we need to make the vaccine available to children under five. Yeah, which is crazy. And there was, I think, a CDC paper that came out where that was just a chart of all the kind of known adverse reactions to the

vaccine. And there were many, but you know, like menstrual disturbances, myocarditis, miscarriage, whatever. Um, and one of them was Still's disease. And like, it turns out that I was right, but I can't say I feel vindicated because it was like such a dark moment, like confronting the darkest abyss of human nature, people wishing like death and misery upon you and your child for like a private medical decision that had nothing to do with politics or ideology,

certainly not with owning the libs. And the reason I bring this up is not to like, be like a victim or emotionally blackmail or whatever, but because it's very clear that the information that was available about the mRNA vaccine at the time was very like shady and obfuscated, and they were pushing it on people who shouldn't have it. There's no reason, there's no evidence to suggest that young children benefit at all

from receiving the COVID vaccine, which is something that I was saying back then and people were mad at me for being like anti-vax in general, which I'm not. Like my kid has MMR or whatever. Yeah. Still now people to this day are like, well, Anna, you're so miserable and bitter and this informs your politics and that's why you are the way you are. And it's like, I don't know. I think like after six years of like getting hate

on the internet, I've remained pretty like reasonable and positive in my attitude. But if there is any misery or bitterness that I've acquired, it's from that moment. Cause I was like, oh, people are completely deranged and insane and they've been like, like it's not just about me. Like the way that they treated unvaccinated people

was outrageous. I know. And I was like an early proponent of like, um, older people and immunocompromised people getting the vaccine because it made sense. Sure. Cause they already were infertile. Yeah, I mean, I was not like exactly forced to get vaccinated, but basically I was. It wasn't like entirely mandated by HBO, but the climate at the time was such that it was like, it really felt like I didn't have a choice. Yeah.

And then they did mandate a booster. Yeah. To go to the SAG awards. Right, I remember that. And I was like, no, no, no, no, no. I was like, I can't, I like on principle, I've already gotten two shots of like an experimental vaccine and they said I would only had to get two

and my spirit's already so broken. Yeah. I like, well, cannot get a third shot. And I found like, cause I had COVID. The third shot. Oh, cause it was a double shot. Yeah. Yeah. It was a double, remember it was a double shot.

And people were getting like fourth and fifth. Yeah. And whatever. Tons of people out there boosted eight times. Yeah. People are still getting boosted. They said, yeah, if you want to go to the Saguars, you have to get a booster shot. And I was like, I won't go to the sagors.

And I was like, you know, and I found a doctor who told me, well, I went to him and I said, look, I had like menstrual irregularities, which actually my cycle got more regular, which for me is irregular after I got the Vax. But I was like, I don't, please, is there anything? And he said there is no medical, he was sympathetic, but he was like,

he said I have Teamsters in here every day asking me, because he worked within the film industry. And he was like, there's people in here all the time asking me not to worked like within the film industry and he was like there's people in here all the time asking me not to get back there's no like medical by the book reason that I can not give you a booster but then because I had COVID that December um I did a blood test that showed that I had like antibodies or whatever. So I like evaded it through some loophole. Yeah. But yeah, literally I was like forced, essentially.

People who had jobs or forced the way that it was forced upon people was clearly, it was such a suspension of civil liberties. And after that, the summer of Floyd, how suddenly all of these COVID era rules and protocols were out the window overnight so that people could go out and protest in the name of racial justice. Here's a quote from her article, take the case of eco health, the nonprofit organization

that many of the scientists leaped to defend. When Wuhan experienced an outbreak of a novel coronavirus related to ones found in bats and researchers soon noticed the pathogen had the same rare genetic feature that the eco health Alliance and Wuhan researchers had proposed inserting into the bat coronaviruses, you would think EcoHealth would sound the alarm far and wide. It did not. Were it not for public records requests, leaks, and subpoenas, the world might never have learned the troubling similarities between what could easily have been going on inside of the lab and what was spreading through the city. But like who was pushing for the subpoenas and the leaks and what was spreading through the city. But like who was pushing for the subpoenas and the leaks?

And what happened to those people? They were vilified and smeared. And by contrast, she talks about how like a lot of the scientific mouthpieces who were writing papers and signing letters dismissing the lab leak theory privately agreed that the scenario was way more likely than the enforced consensus of the wet market outbreak, though they ultimately ended up colluding to suppress that information. Yeah, there was a paper in the journal Nature Medicine,

which was written by this, as I'm quoting her, which was written by five prominent scientists and declared that no quote laboratory-based scenario for the pandemic virus was plausible. We later learned through subpoenas, their Slack conversations, that while scientists publicly said the scenario was implausible, privately many of its authors considered the scenario to be not just plausible, but likely. One of the authors of that paper, Christian Anderson wrote in the Slack messages, the lab escape version of this is so friggin likely to have happened because they were already doing this type of work and the molecular data is fully consistent with that scenario.

Yeah, and so she gets into this whole thing with Nature, Medicine and The Lancet, which were the two prominent scientific publications at the helm of all this, how Peter Daszak, who was the president of EcoHealth, and how behind the scenes he had drafted and circulated the letter while strategizing on how to hide his tracks and telling the signatories that it will not be identifiable as coming from any one organization or person. The Lancet later published an addendum disclosing Dayzak's conflict of interest as a collaborator of the Wu-Han lab, but the journal did not retract the letter.

How David Moran, a senior scientific advisor to Anthony Fauci at the National Institutes of Health, wrote to Dayzak that he had learned how to quote, make emails disappear, especially emails about pandemic origins. Quote, we're smart enough to know to never have smoking guns. And if we did, we wouldn't put them in emails. And if found, we would delete them, he wrote. And this is where my giant dossier

of COVID era printouts comes into play. Because I remember back in the day in May, 2021, reading a very long article by a guy called Nicholas Wade in the Bulletin of Atomic Scientists that exposed the ties between Daszak and Fauci. We ended up discussing it a little bit on the pod to not a lot of fanfare, people really didn't like it. And then it was picked up by an even longer piece

by Catherine Evan at Vanity Fair. I highly recommend the Nicholas Wade piece, which I will link in the description to the podcast because it refutes the natural hypothesis and supports the lab leak hypothesis. And it's written in very plain English that even non-technical people can understand. And I think that Zeynep Tefekyi probably pulled

a lot of her information directly from this article, which I have right here, and it describes the probable sequence of events. So he talks about how Wuhan is home to the Wuhan Institute of Virology, which is the leading world center of coronavirus research, how the EcoHealth Alliance of New York, the nonprofit that Peter Daszak was the president of,

funded gain of function research there, how the Lancet and Nature Medicine intervened to shape public opinion, how in spite of Dayzak's obvious conflict of interest, the Lancet letter even went out of its way to say that, quote, we declare no competing interest, and how the work of Wuhan's chief virologist, Xi Zhengli,

aka the Bat Lady, was funded by the NIAID and the NIH through grants that Daszak had subcontracted to her. It talks about his ubiquitous presence. She makes reference to the scientists and Nobel laureate, whatever, the experts who denounced Trump's pulling a funding from eco health. Back in like 2020, I guess.

It was all it's all very like traumatic and upsetting. Well, it's very clear that Peter Daszak and Anthony Fauci specifically were colluding to hide the origins of the virus because it would create major blowback against the science industry. And also wasn't Anthony, I think Anthony Fauci is at NIH and his wife was like the the head of the NIAID. And EcoHealth was obviously getting all this funding that they didn't want to be compromised but my question is why are they even doing this? What are they doing? Why are they doing this research? That is so dangerous.

That's the question Nicholas Wade asks. What are they doing in Wuhan? Why are they, why are we doing research into coronavirus? And I'm not gonna, yeah. If it is so transmittable and not being held. Like clearly unethical and dangerous. And she said this, I don't remember if it was in this article or another one, but she talks about how, um, at the Wu Han labs, the wet market labs,

they were not for doing research as dangerous as they were. They were not like adhering to really like... The standard safety protocol. Yeah, it was like any worker in the lab could have inhaled this virus and then transmitted it as we were told through air particle. Like if this was really, if this, it's so fucked up. Yeah, it's insane.

And he talks about this. Why are we doing research into coronavirus? I hate coronavirus. Well, presumably to get ahead of any like pathogen that might endanger the human species, but really. It seems like a waste of time and money. Well, I think that there are like intelligence and political reasons for doing this research.

And they talk about how- She still dismisses like the bio weapon theory as being like beyond the pale. Now we're gonna all come around on lab leak. Yeah, 10 years later, yeah. Zaynep will publish another op-ed and then New York Times talking about how like, actually this was a bio weapon.

Like five years from now. She talks about how like, actually this was a bio weapon. Like five years from now. Um, she talks about how, um, or that she doesn't talk about this. Nicholas Wade talks about how she and Ralph as Baric and eminent Corona virus researcher at the university of North Carolina teamed up on a paper in 2015, where they basically talked about how the risks of coronavirus research outweigh the benefits and how by 2020 they were, 2019 they were still persisting. This article is very good because like it gets into the specifics of the manipulation and transmission of coronaviruses

and how nothing that either of those letters published in Nature Medicine or Lancet added up to like a coherent argument for why the natural hypothesis was more likely. So, but ostensibly, right, like in good faith, they were doing the research in Wuhan to prevent like a zoonotropic, whatever. Yeah.

Transmission of the virus. Yeah. By like making a horrible virus. Yeah. By like making a horrible virus. By engineering. By laboratory. Yes, like this girl, this lady was going into Chinese bat caves and harvesting like animal samples and splicing them in a lab.

That seems way more dangerous. someone getting like sick from a bat. Yeah. Remember the pangolin? Yeah, there was like a pangolin. And there was a really great... The innocent pangolin was... Villainized just for having bad posture. There's a really good part in the Wade essay where he talks about how there's ample evidence that SARS-1 and MERS were naturally occurring,

like the previous strains of coronavirus that ended up being like epidemics in China and Egypt, they had left copious traces in the environment. The intermediary host species of SARS-1 was identified within four months of the epidemics outbreak, and the host of MERS within nine months, yet some 15 months later after the SARS-2 pandemic began. And after a presumably intensive search, Chinese researchers had failed to find either the origin bat population or the intermediate species to which SARS-2 might have jumped or any serological evidence

that any Chinese population, including that of Wuhan, had ever been exposed to the virus prior to December 2019. Natural emergence remained a conjecture, which, however plausible to begin with had gained not a shred of supporting evidence in over a year. So with the previous ones, there was a distinct discernible body of evidence that suggested

that these viruses had jumped from one animal host to another and then had infected a human population. With SARS-2, COVID, there's no such evidence. Right. I'm not a virologist, but you can follow along. You do the math, yeah. It doesn't seem like they should have been messing around with the bats and boo-hoo.

Yeah, and the scariest thing in all of this is like at the beginning, even people who were like proponents of the lab leak theory were concerned about the role of China in all of this. But the fact of the matter is that this was all funded through US-based entities. Well, not all. Well, the NIAID and the NIH were funding through grants,

research in Wuhan on coronaviruses. Why? So this is- Anna, why? There's a direct link to not only Peter Daszak, but Anthony Fauci. I know, I'd love for him to go to jail. So it's like, I mean, it's so like-

Also missing from the op-ed is any kind of like prescriptive in terms of like accountability. It's like, we were misled by experts, blah, blah, anonymous experts were doing something wrong, but it's like, there are people who were responsible. Yeah, and remember when we had Niccolo on the pod and I asked him about the AIDS crisis

and what he would have done differently if he were Anthony Fauci going into those bathhouses and telling those guys to put the kibosh on their profligate and degenerate sexual activity. And he said nothing, because at the time it was such a mysterious, confusing illness. Anthony Fauci was famously condemned because he helped spread the notion that AIDS was transmittable through like, no, like through like non-sexual physical contact and household surfaces possibly at the time

because no one knew what was going on. And that obviously didn't end up being the case. And I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt in that situation because it was so novel and so scary. But like the second- The novel, how can we even call it the novel? The novel AIDS virus. But like the second time around with COVID,

it's weird how the guy who was funding the gain of function research ended up being like the biggest mouthpiece advocate of like not where the virus came from. Huh? How will the advocate of how that's not? Yeah. Viruses from, and of course, yeah, he's like the chief virologist of the United

States, the main expert, but still it's like crazy because they were all just trying to cover their tracks and it literally took a guy like Joe Rogan to like crack the lid on the whole thing. That's a I'm ESLing the idiom or whatever. I mean it is actually so evil. I mean, it is actually so evil. And it's so much more evil in the case of this op-ed because like, what is her takeaway from all this? Well, you know, she gets into some like nice sounding platitudes about better safety regulations.

She says, leading journals could refuse to publish research that doesn't conform to safety standards. How's that going for you? The way they reject research that doesn't conform to ethical standards, How's that going for you? The way they reject research that doesn't conform to ethical standards. Funders, whether universities or private corporations or public agencies can favor studies that use research methods like harmless pseudo viruses

and computer simulations. These steps alone would help to incentivize such dangerous research here in China. If some- I mean, who cares about publishing the research issues if the labs are making the virus? Yeah, and she says if some risky research is truly irreplaceable, it should be held

to the highest safety conditions and conducted far from cities. But then she also says this, it's not hard to imagine how the attempt to squelch legitimate debate might have started. Some of the loudest proponents of the lab leak theory weren't just earnestly making inquiries. They were acting in terrible faith, using the debate over pandemic origins to attack legitimate

beneficial science to inflame public opinion to get attention. For scientists and public health officials circling the wagons and vilifying anyone who dared to dissent might have seemed like a reasonable defense strategy. So she's still effectively blaming independent right-wing media and anonymous Twitter posters for acting in bad faith and forcing the poor, well-meaning scientific establishment to lie to our faces

because they had no choice but to combat misinformation and follow the science. That's like, she's not only denying responsibility, she's shifting responsibility. At the beginning of this piece, she's like, have we learned nothing? And it's like, you haven't learned anything. Well, as much of a proponent as she was for

like, vaccine children, and she was a big mask mandate person, which yeah, there's evidence that in high risk environments, the masks reduce transmission like that's all well and fine. But with, like the damage is done. Like, yeah, the people don't trust the medical establishment because they flagrantly and evilly lie. And to cover their own asses so they can keep getting their grants yeah and to just be like right there was like information that was withheld or outright lied about but we need to fax like the there's no like questioning of the Vax the medical marvel the Vax we need to Vax like the there's no like questioning of the vax the medical

moral the vax me to vax children there's nothing there's no like there's no real like accountability being taken and no real understanding of how shattered that faith is in medicine and science for good reason. And that if they lied about, when I say the damage has been done, it's like for someone, for a lay person like me, and I'm like, okay, they lied about COVID, they lied about where it came from, they lied about, well, remember they said,

like, if you're vaccinated, still wear your mask. And then two weeks later, I said, if you're vaccinated, don't wear your mask and wear the mask and social distance. But then in fear protesting for George Floyd, you can't get COVID and like the sheer amount of actual misinformation, regardless of how harmful the va facts is or isn't, is irrelevant because there's no reason

to trust these people at all. Right, yeah. And like now, I think this article is probably being published right now because Trump has taken it upon himself through Doge to punish the NIH I mean Biden did do the

And was then the Biden administration where they did the first kind of call Yeah and kind of call. Yeah. And you know, people will point out that this isn't compromising the research directly, but is related to indirect costs. Which like includes stuff like I'm like using like the rent utilities, administrative salaries, and so on and so forth. A lot of people are getting fired from their jobs. So other, like their critics will- You're talking about Doge. Yeah, so their critics will like fire back and say,

well, like indirect costs aren't just like stupid frivolous DEI hires and like grants to make mice trans. It's actually like legitimate- To make more coronavirus. Needful, yeah, expenses's actually like legitimate, needful, yeah, expenses, which I get, but obviously this is also a reaction to the gross overreach that happened under COVID. And even if you wanna be- Biden also did pull funding from eco health for five years.

Okay. Yeah. A couple years ago. And some of those subpoenas that come out under the Biden administration. So it's not a purely dogey and endeavor that's brought this stuff to life. But it is. an endeavor that's brought this stuff to life, but it is. I mean, fuck the research. But even, fuck the science. Fuck the science, fuck the research, fuck the science. Even if you wanna be like a libtard devil's advocate. Y'all made COVID.

Yeah, but even if you wanna do that and be like, this is clearly a retaliatory measure by the Trump administration, like even given that, you can see why, which I don't believe it fully is, but you can see why that would come about. You mean in the science amongst the scientific community? No, you can see why the Trump administration would want to send a message and retaliate

against these people as like a symbolic gesture. Because everything about COVID was so, it wasn't even grossly mishandled. I mean, it was also grossly mishandled. It wasn't even like a well-meaning error. It was deliberate. Lying and deceit. The lies for me. Okay, the lies the the mandated vaccine and the people being kept from seeing their dying family members yeah are the most egregious aspect of the novel coronavirus some fagaggot. And I'm sure there's things that I'm not even cognizant of are more like geopolitical stuff with China.

Those, you know, like, why weren't we, why didn't we wanna put Wuhan on blast and Kung Flu, all this crap, Asian hate, all this stuff was so like. But this wasn't China, it was America. Well, I think stuff was so like, but this wasn't China that was, it was America. Well, I think it was China too. Yeah, but they were using China as a research hub. Were we not collabing with,

was it not an America x China collab? Sure, but America, but what I'm saying is America is just as guilty as China. And like, yeah, some faggot on Twitter was accusing me of having politics motivated strictly by grievances. And it's like, well, yeah, I mean, all politics as such are motivated by grievances because you are- That's why I'm a nimby now.

Yeah, you're like vying. You have some interests that you wanna protect and you're vying to have your voice heard because you're angry about how you're being treated. That's like all politics on the grassroots level. In the world. But like, not to like sincere post or moral fact, but like my grandpa died shy of his 100th birthday of COVID

in the United States alone. It's horrible. It's horrible. This man came to America to like be with his family or like when I gave birth, like, yeah, this is a serious ongoing grievance of mine that I'm actually really mad about. When I gave birth, I was put in a, like after the baby was born in the apartment, they brought me to like lower Manhattan Presbyterian or whatever, and we were in an empty room with two beds,

and it was like me and Eli, we had just spent the night together, like giving birth to the baby. The doula showed up like five minutes before he was born. And they like separated me from the baby, pulled my placenta out in a freight elevator, which is medical malpractice that I could sue for, by the way, because that can create serious hemorrhaging and infection and lost the placenta. Which you need. Which I could also sue for.

And then told Eli that he couldn't occupy the second bed in the room, which was totally unoccupied because of COVID, because they didn't wanna clean and disinfect this bed. And so the whole time we were there for like two days, like getting monitored before we were released, he had to crouch in an armchair with like zero sleep. Like that's insane.

And my story is relatively like positive and uplifting because nothing bad happened. Like people have other way more terrible horror stories. Some people had to get boosted to go to the sack of lies. I'm just saying, when you talk with politics, your politics are based on, yeah, of course they are. Yeah. I'm pissed off about this shit.

For sure. I mean, at least there wasn't a bum in the bed. When those two retards are like, oh, you're a nihilist who's spreading nihilism. Like, what are you talking about? This is like the opposite of nihilism. And it's like a 2018 like talking point about us that's like been perpetuated for no real reason. We're definitely like, say what you will about us. We're not really with the nihilists. Nihilism is thinking that young children

should not be stuck with an experimental vaccine. That was cooked up by the same people who were funding the gain of function research that led to the outbreak of the pandemic in the first place. That's nihilism. So crazy, dude. Yeah, y'all crazy. Do you think I'm infertile from the Vax?

No. I actually think that the Vax is probably fine aside from all those 25 year old athletes who like dropped out of myocarditis or whatever. Yeah. I'm not an able-bodied man. Yeah I mean the nice thing about humans is like how quickly we would bounce back from adversity and trauma. That's true I like yeah I pray for Dr. Fauci sometimes because I hate him so much. That's really nice of you. Very Christian. Yeah, I'm like, oh, it's actually not so good for my soul

that I want this man to die in a jail cell, that I want the last thing he sees to be the wall of a jail cell. So when I, those thoughts kind of occur to me, I try to rectify them through prayer. Prayer, but. Put him in central booking with Diddy and Sam Bankman for you to make a podcast about it. I can go and talk to Carlson.

But I really do. It does. It's even like, I, I couldn't, I couldn't do what you did with all the printed out documents. I mean, this is like many years of being a mentally ill online autist. But I was even like just revisiting kind of like, you know, as much as I like hate Fauci, I am ready. I'm like, I'm so, it's so upsetting

that I am ready to just like move on. But then I get, you know, I get scared. Like the way I am about Indians. Where I'm like, oh, like, I just remember that feeling of like the totalitarian overreach of like being so like disempowered and like putting on the gloves and the mask and just being like this is my life now and yeah maybe it's some like

inherited like so like there was like remnants like soviet traumas where but I remember because I was with Dan at the time and we were in his high rise in Long Island City and I remember the windows wouldn't open all the way so I remember smoking cigarettes out of a small crack and being like, damn, my family tried to outrun the Soviet Union and it just came back to, it's like, we can't. But in a more gay and retarded way Yeah, like even worse and there's no and the shelves are bare and I'm waiting in a line to buy fucking flour and I'm smoking Little Vera in a little like pod and

But yeah, I'm like I'm like, and they could do it. It almost felt like a flex to be like the government. You just take away all your rights, like overnight. I'll just take them. They'll just say, you don't get to go outside anymore. You'll kill somebody. And you're a bad person actually, if you think you should be able to go outside.

And if you don't wanna get a fucking vaccine, you're actually bad. And deserve to die. And your family deserves to suffer for your sins. deserves to suffer for your sins. And yeah, I have this like kind of like cucked and broken part of me that's like, please don't do another corona virus. I know and it's like I'm like Martin mode right now. Please Dr. Fauci don't put me back in the cell like, oh, I'm like Martin mode right now. Please Dr. Fauci, don't put me back in the cell. Like, oh, I'm so sorry.

Yeah, but how can you not be angry and bitter about that? Like it's a normal human reaction. Of course. There are certain things you should be angry and bitter about. I know. And it's like, yeah, there's a testament to like the beauty and positivity of human nature

that like people can like like I'm willing to forgive Anthony Fauci If Someone anyone would give us a guarantee that this will never happen again. Well, no one can do that And they will probably do it again Or some version. It's yeah And you think of all the young people like okay, well, like we're like a little too old. To have even experienced the brunt of it. You think of all like the children and teenagers who were like quarantined in lockdown.

And then had to become like Harry Sazan. I know I'm like my late 20s. I'm like, I only got to be on succession. And maybe I could have done more projects in my late 20s, but yeah, young people, old people who died alone. It's all so egregious and like it did just. I'm just hoping that my grandpa had some like beautiful busty Pam Grier ass Jamaican nurse to keep him company. I hope so too.

to keep him company. I hope so too. But I mean, I think people's, it was so like unprecedented that people weren't prepared for it. And now maybe there would be more, I don't think they'll collectively will like let something like that happening again, maybe that's probably a little optimistic. Yeah. But it did really show me just how powerful the government was. And the media and the academic institutions.

Yeah, and how much they could all just like, and yeah, I remember talking to my dad, who obviously was sentient when the collapse of the Soviet Union happened. And he was like, yeah, he was like, one day you're living in a country and the next day, it doesn't exist anymore. Like it just does, like it really does,

it can and does just happen. What's that book where they talk about Stjob where like everything was forever until it wasn't or whatever? It's like a collection of essays. It's a, but yeah, it's like it does, it really does just kind of happen to you. And there you are pretty dis,

we are all pretty like disempowered. And that's, I think a lot of, you know, people always talk about how you shouldn't black pill and stuff, and you know, we have to keep our morale high. But the reality is it's like the government does, they can't just take it away, and they can put you in jail for going outside, or they can not let you go to the sack of words.

Well, that's why I say that there is some justice in the world and we do have to credit the gross malfeasance of the scientific and academic and government establishment for like the rise of independent media. Is that justice though? I mean, there's consequences in the world. But I don't know. But I would hope that if something like this came to happen again, there are now guys in place like Tucker Carlson and Joe Rogan who will have like dissenting voices on their shows to talk about it.

You know, even Dr. Drew at the time got a lot of flack because he was very skeptical about the origins of COVID and about the efficacy of vaccine mandates and that sort of thing. It doesn't feel like justice. I think there is kind of no. No, it's not. I mean, I guess the nicest consequence of suffering through COVID

is that we got to meet Dr. True and have him on the podcast. I mean, we fared relatively well through it all, but I guess, yeah, it kind of reaffirmed my Christian hunch that there isn't really justice on earth, Yeah, it kind of reaffirmed my Christian hunch that there isn't really justice on earth. That justice is something that happens later. And in our mortality, we're like beholden to powers that are unjust and there's really nothing we can really do about it.

I mean, really, like, you know, yeah, like there can be dissenting voices, but like in the USSR, they can be like, there could be a worse, you know, there's a worse version of COVID that could play out. Yeah, no doubt. Where people are like, where there aren't dissenting voices and that's where we're lucky to be in America.

But even that is like kind of a flimsy promise in the end. Yeah. The American dream, et cetera. They'll still call you on the phone, make sure you haven't left your house if you've been exposed to COVID. Yeah, I remember that. Who were those people, like volunteers or employees?

They were probably bureaucrats who hopefully are now unemployed. Thanks to Doge. Yeah, this must have been 2022. Maybe it was 2021. I guess I was exposed to COVID on New Year's Eve. And then when did Jan 6 happen? That was 2021. Jan 6. I know was 2021? Jan six.

I know, but 2021? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, so the first week of January, I was quarantining due to being quote exposed to COVID. And I had every day, some person called me on the phone and said, did you leave your house today? And I said, no, sir, just to get groceries, sir. Yeah.

And I went to the grocery store every damn day. Yeah, it was like just to get out. Just to have something to fucking do. Yeah, I remember you were like cooking up like vegan. Slavicvegan.com, baby. I was making go loop see vegan style. I was doing all sorts of experiment. I was on so much Adderall.

I was not, my ass is not eating. Well like living through COVID is a lot like giving birth, which is why I'm such a me too skeptic because I think people are generally designed, primed to bounce back from trauma and forget about it. It's like the intense pain of labor is something that you remember intellectually, but not like physically or emotionally,

because if you did, you wouldn't want to do it again. And there is something beautiful, but also sad about how quickly people forgot about what happened. I know, because we just wanna move on. Because we were just happy to move on, yeah. We just really were happy to have, to show our medical paperwork to eat in the sidewalk shed. Get like swabbed.

Oh my God, so many, so I was getting the swab daily. Daily I was going to Long Island city to get a swab to go to work. And then it became this weird on like, like later on in COVID, I remember like self-administering the COVID test and I could have easily done it, you know, I not have even done it.

It became this kind of like humiliation ritual, like swabbing yourself and pretend, you know, it was all like so gay. It was all so gay and evil and stupid. Yeah, and then every time that you had like a cold or a flu, you had to swab yourself with like a kit that was made in China, probably in a factory that was like adjacent to the Wuhan Institute of Virology.

And it never gave you like a real answer because those tests were also like really fake and flimsy. Of course. And like, I don't know, I got COVID, I think, like twice after the original exposure and nothing happened. It was like a two-day illness. And I actually remember, one thing that I remember vividly was that the baby also obviously had COVID,

but he recovered, he was like running a fever and had the sniffles, but he recovered within 24 hours. And that really made it clear to me that young children should not be getting the COVID vaccine because unless they're obese or immunocompromised, they pass the virus very quickly. It just doesn't affect them. Yeah.

And like the lab in Wuhan, the introduction of this horrible virus into the world, into someone's, the world of someone's body does more harm than good clearly. Yeah, they can't not. Ugh, yeah. Yeah. I hate coronavirus.

I mean, I hate coronavirus too, but I hate the people who invented it and lied about it to us even more. I want like- They just made it, lied about it to us even more. I want like- They just made it, they made it no love. I'm not like a grudgy or a vindictive person. I kind of like live and let live, but I sometimes like, like the only thing that I really,

like my only retribution that I fantasize about is not against like ex friends or or ex-boyfriends or like haters on the internet or anything like that. It's against Dr. Fauci. I want like a Nuremberg trial for all of these. Bring the beagles out. Yeah. The capital punishment is that you get mauled by the lab beagles. It's like Islamic stoning. He has to have his head eaten by flies like the beagles or something. It's a horrible thing. I know.

I hate Dr. Fauci. But it's not like old, you know, he should bear the brunt of responsibility, but it's not solely his fault. Well, him and Peter Daszak and yeah, my new book coming out on Skyhorse Publishing, I Hate Dr. Fauci. Skyhorse publishing, I hate Dr. Fauci.

Like we wanted you to write a long essay about how feminists and libtards suck. But we'll take that. But we'll take that. I'll take, I hate Dr. Fauci. A children's book. We'll just take your plagiarism of the Nicholas Wade article and the Bulletin of Atomic Scientists. I hate scientists. I hate doctors. I hate Dr. Fauci.

We should have Nicolo back on the pod again. No one wants that. Nobody wants him, but just so I can ask them a question of what would you have done differently under COVID versus AIDS? And it'd be like everything. I mean, this what's her name? The Turkish woman? Zeynep Tufekci? I don't know if I'm pronouncing that correctly, but it's my prerogative as an Armenian to mispronounce her name. Of course. I looked through, yeah, I was like,

because I was like, what gives you the audacity as a New York Times, like, Obed columnist to, I don't think she chose the title for this article. Mm-hmm. But again, yeah, it's like she's kind of been saying this for some time. And maybe 21, 22, she had an article about like, what could have been done differently. And it was like- And what were her suggestions? Her talking points were like China could have been,

China wasn't honest about what really was going on in the lab. Well, China's never honest about anything, so. And then Taiwan's a big talking point for her because they had pretty strict lockdown measures and something like 500 people died in Taiwan. And she said if America had adhered to the same like protocols that Taiwan did, we could have had like 12,000 casualties

instead of like, I don't know. America wasn't letting in random migrants maybe. I forget the rest, but she, yeah, she did have some piece where she was like, this was what kind of like, like going through kind of the hypothetical like alternatives to how COVID was handled. Yeah, I mean, I think like probably like the clear cut, like you probably had two options.

It was like total authoritarian control, like in Singapore and Thailand. Taiwan. Or Taiwan, oops. Whatever, Elizoto. Or like achieving herd immunity, like vaccinating the elderly and immunocompromised and letting everyone else try their luck.

But there was some, it was, we didn't have the facts for, I don't know. It feels like I, yeah, I have like amnesia about aspects of it that doesn't make me like a reliable commentator. Same, which is why I'm glad that I'm armed with this giant dossier of print in 2021. And it was Sweden that did the herd immunity thing. Yeah, one of those Scandinavian countries. Like an ethnostate. Like an ethno state. We don't have that luxury here. And so our population isn't like beholden to the same level of social conformity as Scandinavian people are where they already like are taking, you know, it's not a high trust society where people, you know,

if they don't feel good, won't go outside. Cause they already all have welfare, they don't have to go to work. And it's just America's too varied. And I mean, I just wouldn't have lied. If it was me, if I was Dr. Fauci, and I mean, I just wouldn't have lied. If I was Dr. Fauci, I just wouldn't have lied. And I probably wouldn't have funded the research and wooed them in the first place.

Yeah, that's really what I would have done differently has been like, maybe we don't need to research the novel coronavirus. It seems dangerous. Yeah, because I guess we already have like real world evidence that manufacturing viruses in a lab versus having them jump naturally from like animal to human host creates way more problems.

Exactly. Yeah, I wouldn't have eaten that bat soup. I'll eat that garbage. From the Wuhan market or that. But yeah, it seems like it all could have been And then I would have... I'm probably immune to AIDS now. Yeah, I got that back. Like saunter over to the homeless encampment after we're done recording, like,

Hey guys, are any of you white? I mean, people don't even get AIDS anymore. Don't people really not get AIDS anymore? They definitely do, but it's a manageable disease versus a death sentence. Really? People are still... I feel like a lot more gay guys than we think have AIDS. Yeah. Yeah. I feel like that data can't be publicly available yet.

If it's even right. They said that it's not available. 2022, 2023 from UNAIDS. Sounds a lot like USA. 1.3 million got HIV in 2023. I'm probably going to cut this part so people don't yell at me. This seems bad. This seems bad. Bad topic. Okay, so we've gotten to the bottom of this. New AIDS infections are mainly limited

to sub-Saharan Africa intravenous drug users and homosexuals. So Bill Gates. So it's Bill Gates' fault. So Bill Gates. So it's Bill Gates' fault. And they got to stop this research in Wuhan. They got to stop. We need to stop researching the pandemics. Yeah. Because they're just causing the pandemics. Yeah, like stop tampering with fate and playing God.

Seems wrong. Yeah. Anyway, mom won't see you. I'll see you in the next one. No! No. you