Regulation Podcast - Summer of 98 Movies Top 10

Episode Date: September 2, 2023

Geoff, Gavin, Andrew, Producer Eric, and Nick get together to talk through the Top 10 movies of the Summer of 98 and we're not leaving until we've settled it. Andrew has compiled the list, everyone chooses 3, and that's where the battle begins. What is your Summer of 98 Top 10 movies? Is Snake Eyes on it? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

hello and welcome to the summer of 98 movie ranking this is slightly different than a draft i did better than gavin didn't i when he had his thing is this is this better start worse are you are you rating your start in the middle of no i'm just asking where is the intro yet it would have been better than mine if you didn't stop yours to compare it to mine and give yourself accolades in them in no i was asking i wasn't i wasn't asked i was asking if it was better or worse i wasn't i would have said yes up until it was an evaluation okay so i shouldn't do that anyway summer 98 movies we have a list of all the films that release wide eric thinks that 98 was the last good year so we're making some supplemental content for it this is going to be a little bit different than the draft we're going

to determine what the top 10 is and argue for where these things should be placed we have to all collectively agree on the rankings and then ultimately deciding what is the definitive movie of summer of 98 if you are just watching that or listening to this you'll be able to watch this on our youtube or the roosterteeth channel we'll be having a list streamed from eric's account where we go through the films we have that are we recording the video of this now i don't know i assume yes i am yes okay wow i yeah i really should double check that that was a wild assumption by me that was a really wild assumption i appreciate the confidence in it though yeah that was i believe pretty good

i never even considered it wasn't if you think you're right you're right yeah exactly sure so we're going to go through we're each going to select three films that we think should be in the running and then from there we will edit it down to 10 and then once we have 10 we will make our cases for which movie should go where with every rank being important like if you if you strongly believe that a movie should be seventh fight for that fight for that position what if uh what if you like movies that aren't on the list oh well these are all the wide releases of the summer of 98 uh if you want to add other movies i guess is there good yeah what else do we need to add to

this list i need to see the full list before i could answer that okay andrew do you want to read off everything on the list sure uh okay Okay, so we're going through. It's long. It's like 33 films. In June, we have Dr. Doolittle, The Truman Show, Mulan, The X-Files, Six Days, Seven Nights, Perfect Murder, Out of Sight, Can't Hardly Wait, and Dirty Work. July is Saving Private Ryan, Armageddon, There's Something About Mary, Lethal Weapon 4, The Parent Trap, Ever After, Cinderella Story, Small Soldiers, The Negotiator, Madeline,

Mafia, Disturbing Behavior, and Basketball. And then in August, we have Blade, Snake Eyes, Halloween H20, How Stella Got Her Group Back, The Avengers 54, Dance With Me, Dead Man on Campus, Why You Foolful in Love, Air Bud Golden Receiver, Wrongfully Accused,

and Return to Paradise. Those are our films. Are we missing anything, Jeff? Well, and returned to paradise. Those are our films. Are we missing anything, Jeff? Well, uh, yeah. It's not a big deal, um, but I looked up, uh, Buffalo 66 came out in the summer of 98, and I thought that was a phenomenal film, Vince Gallo film.

When did it come out? It came out on June 26, 1998. Also, Hands on a Hard Body came out? Yeah, uh, The Last Days of Disco, which was a Whit Stillman film that I really liked, came out in June 12th. Then Lock, Stock, and Two Smoking Barrels. You may have heard of it.

That came out 28th of August, 1998. Why is our list missing so many? And then Run, Lola, Run, which was also a pretty big film, came out August 20th, 1998. I'm just throwing those out there because I was looking at looking at the list earlier and i didn't see them on there and i we don't need to add i just if oh they've been added for okay no no no they're added okay yeah i went off of box office mojo and looked at what released within those months and then selected the films that released to a wide audience because I sort of view like the summer

of 98 of like the things you go to the theater and see. You're looking at blockbusters and those weren't necessarily blockbusters. I didn't realize Blockstock wasn't big at the time. I thought that was a huge movie. Well, I think it's like it probably didn't get an initial wide release, but it's become such a part of like it's become such a big

post. That's why like Run Lola Run and Blockstock I wanted to add in specifically because they became huge movies, but they didn't start as huge movies. That is true. So we're picking three each from these? Yes. So each person will take three films, and then

we'll move it from the base list to a different list, and then from there we will deliberate on what should be in our top 10 wow this is only picking three is tough yeah there's some layers to it of like are you going to take maybe there's a movie you think someone will definitely take so you don't take that but you're risking maybe not making the list at all who wants to first? As far as picking the first three films. I'll go. Okay. Am I going like three

across all three months or three per month? Just three across all the movies that are available. How should I be listing this also? Should I just write someone's name and then like their movies and then we make a list or? You don't even need to put the name. We can just whatever Jeff picks, we'll just make a separate film list and then we'll get rid of the

base list once we have our selections got it alright Jeff whenever you're ready can I see the list again you can okay do you want Andrew to read it one more time no no I just I can only see what you're showing me so I said it to you also oh yeah that's true

well now I gotta just navigate away from the hold on. I mean, you don't have to navigate away. I'm not doing it. Whatever. I'm navigating. No, I don't want to put you out. Okay.

Hold on. It's loading up another thing. No, I mean, you don't have to. Let's see. I mean, the list is here. Three movies. Jeff's going to make going to pick. Well, I'm definitely picking Blade because I have a blade tattoo.

You have a blade tattoo? Really? Where? On my neck. Gus and I got them together. It was like a friendship. You and Gus have blade tattoos? Oh, that's right! I forgot about that. You showed me that before. Yeah, it's like the little Renfield thing.

I have the Dragonetti clan. Gus has the Kobayashi clan. So I'm definitely picking that. Clearly picking Dirty Work, one of the best movies ever made. And then I'm gonna I'm gonna zig. I'm gonna zig. And I'm gonna pick A Perfect Murder.

Oh, okay. Wow. Really? Great movie. Wow. What is A Perfect Murder, Jeff? What is it? What is the movie? It's like a Gwyneth Paltrow movie. It's like a remake of

an Alfred Hitchcock movie. It's got, I think, Michael Douglas in it. Aragorn is in it. I can't think of his name. Strider. Viggo Mortensen. Yeah, Viggo Mortensen. And it's, yeah,

it's just a, it's like a, it's a murder mystery kind of thing. That's based off, I think dial in for murder. The Alfred Hitchcock. It is. Yeah.

You know, a weird thing about a perfect murder is it's written by two people. And one of the writers only wrote one other movie and it's a Michael Douglas movie. So I wonder if it's like a fake writer name, and if that's a credit for somebody else under an alias. I thought that was so weird that they've only written two and they're back-to-back Douglas movies.

Interesting. You reckon it's Douglas himself? I kind of wondered if to get a credit, like some additional money. Should I do mine? Sure. Gavin, would you like to go next? I'll be honest. i feel like if if i could i'd pick all three from july but i'm gonna pick truman show um there's some good shit in july but obviously i have to go with basketball

and then uh and then i'll do lockstock good pick okay great movies uh andrew do you want to go next sure uh let me view the the list from it did uh do you see the thing i sent you gavin about basketball yeah i sent gavin a clip of joey diaz is in basketball and when he was when he was in it he was in like his deep coke addict phase and in the movie the refs have to wear roller skates and so every day after shooting he would steal a pair of roller skates and sell them and that was

just like his day to day go to money he'd make 150 a day and then by like the time they got to like one of his scenes near the end of the shoot they couldn't find roller skates for him because he had sold all of them and nobody knew that he was stealing them um okay what am i gonna pick this is this is tough so i've seen 99 of these movies i haven't seen some of the additions jeff added

um fuck this is this is tough i'm going to add i'm gonna add return to paradise okay i am going to add the x files oh okay and i'm gonna add small soldiers oh okay okay um nick would you like to do yours next i'll go last sure yeah i feel like a lot of the ones that i was thinking about have been taken but i will add this one because one i saw it when it came out which is probably too young but saving private ryan is one of my favorite war movies and you know it eventually led to things like Band of Brothers and The Pacific, which are really good shows that HBO put out. And then I was thinking that you pick Small Soldiers already. Look at that. See, I'll tell you what.

I'll add this because it was a horror. One of the first horror movies I saw. Halloween H2O also has one of the most interesting death scenes and where someone is killed with an ice skate to the face. And then I'll also add, I think, a movie that, I don't know if a lot of y'all would have seen this, but the Six Days, Seven Nights, just because I liked Harrison Ford a lot. And that's another Anne Heche film, right? Yeah. Yeah, and she is... She's dead, by the way.

Yeah. Yeah. She died. She lived in that movie. Anne Heche died. Okay, so I have my picks last. I don't know how popular they're going to be, but I will say that Nick has taken one one of mine which was saving private ryan

um i will pivot and make a different pick because it is not on this list and i think it should be in uh armageddon to not be on this list i think is crazy giant movie in the summer of 98 massive very realistic here are my next two picks that I'm going to fight for my life to get them in the top 10. Can't Hardly Wait is a movie that I really, really like that I don't know if anyone,

Andrew, I'm sure you've watched it now. Jeff, have you seen this? I fucking hate that movie. I knew it. I had a feeling that Jeff has either not seen this i fucking hate that movie i knew it i had a feeling that jeff has either not seen this or does not like this movie at all who's in it i was just too old for that is the guy for that movie i get that i just missed the mark on it but exactly what i was gonna say is that for my age when this movie came out awesome yeah your age when this movie came out this movie fucking sucks why would anyone watch it 100 um lastly one that i really love

that again i don't know who else here watched it uh nicholas cage's snake eyes Nicholas Cage's Snake Eyes. Are you guys familiar with Snake Eyes? Yes. Have you seen this movie? Yes. No. I think I've seen it. I don't think so. It is a Brian De Palma...

I don't know if he's deep in his, like, coke habit here or what, but I don't know a way to explain what this is other than him slumping so hard in his career that I don't know that he ever pulls out of it I love this movie it's fucking insane it is so insane it looks crazy it sounds crazy. It sounds crazy. The timeline is crazy. I love it. Snake Eyes is my final pick for this.

A thing about Snake Eyes is really funny is that at the end of the film, there's a character that says a line about how they keep having a nightmare about their drowning, and it doesn't really make sense contextually. And the reason why it doesn't make sense is because it's in reference to what the scripted ending was that they completely cut because they either ran out of time or money where this, there's a massive storm happening throughout the whole film and it never really pays off in any way.

There's supposed to be like a giant tidal wave that hits the casino that they're in. So like it makes sense that he maybe would have almost drowned but it just never happens in the film however since they don't shoot films linearly they had to keep it in because it was just they had already shot that sequence so it's a really weird throwaway to a moment that never happens in the film it's very odd it's like data talking about the octopus and uhonies. Exactly. I forgot about that.

Yeah. Gavin, you ever seen Snake Eyes? No. That's a no, I'm going to assume. Can no one hear me? Gavin, are you here? Gavin? What the fuck happened to Gavin?

Oh, no! Can no one hear me? No. Oh, I was wondering why you were ignoring me for the last... If you've been talking at all, no one's heard a word you can say. Dude, the last ten minutes, everything I said, no one gave a shit about. No one said it in my conscience. Oh, okay.

I haven't heard a word you've been saying. Oh, I know. I thought it was crazy. I thought maybe you were just mad about the picks and didn't want to talk. Do you want to give us a recap of what we missed? Yeah, what have you been saying? Yeah, anything from, I would say,

from when you made your pick of Lockstock, after that, have not heard you say a word. Yeah, you've been real fucking lazy in the content. I was talking about the roller skates clip when Eric said, can't hardly wait. I was like, oh, who's in that? fucking lazy in the content i was talking about the roller skates clip when uh when eric said can't hardly wait i was like oh who's in that and then he went anyway my next pick is yeah you cut out as soon as you reacted to me asking if you saw the basketball clip. That's where we left you.

Yeah, I was talking about how he was. Oh, never mind. Okay. Interesting. That was awesome. Hardly Wait is an ensemble cast with Seth Green, Jennifer Love Hewitt, ethan embry and a bunch of other people that uh were in movies in the 90s and then the year 2000 happened and none of them were in movies anymore okay yeah yeah it's very last hurrah yeah very like teen comedy with like the cast is huge the cast is like so big but um yeah i think it was just it's a movie that i was the right age for when it came

out so anyway uh andrew do you want to read our list of selects okay so we have we're down to our 15 now we have blade dirty work a perfect murder truman show basketball lock stock and two smoking barrels return to paradise the x-files small soldiers saving private ryan halloween h2o six days seven nights armageddon can't hardly wait and snake eyes do we want to look at the uh the remaining list of films that we're about to get rid of yeah i don't care about the remaining list but we can't the losers yeah let's go back to let's look at the losers but like is there anything like maybe somebody wanted pick that didn't end up getting picked or that they thought would make it that didn't make it make it. 100% thought that you were going to say Air Bud Golden Receiver.

I absolutely thought that. If that helps. I absolutely thought you were going to pick that. I will say I would like to give some shine to Wrongfully Accused, which is a Leslie Nielsen naked gun style comedy. I think it is hilarious. It's really high up on my list. And they just don't make movies like that anymore

it's true it's impressive like the joke every scene has at least one joke in it yeah i'd say it's like probably a seven second average and for me at least a lot of it landed in wrongfully accused and i just think leslie nielsen is so funny but i think that that's the beginning of the end like leslie nielsen like ushered that era in and also out i think it's that was actually after he started the era it may have been like a bright spot on an otherwise ending yes yeah yeah because it's like that like dracula dead and loving it you know what i mean like yeah those uh those nobody saw those old uh movies like that that just that they're where their jpms are just off the charts or i we don't make film that anymore. I think that's why I like basketball,

because it's definitely that vibe. It's the same people, I think, as Naked Gun. I'm surprised by one film that didn't make it, I'll say, and that's Out of Sight, just because that was a huge film when it came out. Yeah. It was like, I just remember everybody losing their shit over it. I saw it, I thought it was okay, I didn't get it,

but everybody was in love with George Clooney and J-Lo being in love. That was the only thing that I know about that movie, is that they are in the movie. There's a scene, I remember this one scene, because it always got quoted and played, but it was Jennifer Lopez

going, you wanted to tussle? We tussled. It definitely was the only marketing in that movie hang on i just searched for it and it's just no no we gonna tussle first that sucks yeah it sucked oh my god uh gavin any anything on here that you're surprised didn't make it anything left over uh yeah i don't think so i i will say people have a real fondness for there's something about mary i don't necessarily uh it doesn't hold up in my viewing i had watched it for the first time as part of this experience. The only scene that stood out to me as still being really funny is when,

and I'm blanking on his name. He's a standup comedian. He has one scene. He plays a hitchhiker. Harlan Ellison. Yeah. Him. He pitches.

There's like a six minute ab scene. I thought that was funny, but outside of that, nothing really helped. But that, that was like a version. That was like an homage to his old scene in dumb and dumber which was so much funnier where he's the cop who drinks the piss in the beer

bottle you know isn't lee evans in that he is yeah he has a he plays a an american which is odd although he plays like a an american playing a brit though, doesn't he, for a while? Yes. He starts out as just a Brit, and then it's revealed that his name is like Randy or something, and he's a pizza delivery guy. Lee Evans is a huge stand-up in the UK, and he just had a run in the 90s where he was just in so many movies.

It's so weird to see him and stuff. Like Mouse Hunt and Fifth Element and stuff. Mouse Hunt. Mouse Hunt. Mouse Hunt is a phenomenal movie. I don't give a shit what you say. Right there with you, dude. Right there with you.

Mouse Hunt and Rat Race, I'll watch all day long. You're into just like rodent-themed films? No, I'm into that kind of film, that kind of ensemble, funny, silly film. By the way,

I said his name was Harlan Ellison. It's Harlan Williams. Harlan Williams, yeah. Harlan Ellison's a much older actor. Yes, silly film. By the way, I said his name was Harlan Ellison. It's Harlan Williams. Harlan Ellison's a much older actor. Yes, he is. Wherever you're going, you better believe American Express will be right there with you. Heading for adventure? We'll help you

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That's the powerful backing of American Express. Visit amex.ca slash yamx. Benefits vary by card. Terms apply. Okay. I feel good about the list okay uh so how do we want to sort of approach this yeah there there are many ways this can go um there are films on here that i think like i don't want to call anyone out but there's certain films i i don't I don't think are great pull me out do it no

small soldiers go ahead and let no I know but I was you got a in reference I was four in 98 I watched small soldiers as like a five year old and as a kid it was one of my favorites I'd watch it all the time I great voice work the ending

of that movie is fucking insane. There is a thing that is burnt into my brain about that movie where the toys create this gun that fires AV cables. And I want to say it's like Phil Hartman. It's one of the main characters get shot in the leg like four times with AV cables and it like pierces his leg like bullets like it's crazy that movie is an insane finale um I understand why maybe it would get cut but it is something for me I mean if we want to talk about things that might get cut Snake Eyes I think what's wrong with Snake Eyes it is such a average film like it is just like the the definition of like totally decent cable movie like it's a movie that when you're channel surfing you'll watch 30 minutes of if it's on but like you're not nobody's pumped about snake eyes okay i will say that oh gary sinise isn't it oh he's good in it he's really good in it i will say say that I have watched Snake Eyes mostly on cable in 30-minute chunks. Yes.

So I will concede that point. However, I don't think that takes it off the top 10. I think that Snake Eyes is a very serviceable number eight film. Can I throw one out there that we could get rid of? Sure. We start the lobbying. This is going to seem out of left field, and actually, I'll explain it like this.

The movie The X-Files, Fight the Future, came out on my birthday, June 19th, 1998. I was living in New Jersey. My friends and I were very, very, very excited. The X-Files, you guys were a little younger, so you may not have experienced it in the time like I did, but the X-Files was kind of a very

cultural zeitgeist film. It had a huge... I'm sorry, television show. It had a huge following, a lot of love, a lot of enthusiasm for it, and it was prime point it was like prime appointment viewing you would be home to watch uh the new episode of x files so that they could edge you and you'd be disappointed because they would never they would never address the

larger story they did this thing where they would have 20 episode seasons or 22 episode seasons the first two episodes would reference the overall story the you know the overall plot the 11th and 12th episode would like at the mid-season break and then the 19th and 20th or the 21st and 22nd episode would and all the other episodes were filler and so you had to go through a whole fucking season to get like maybe four episodes where they were advancing the actual storyline x files fightFiles Fight the Future promised to address that and fill in the gaps and advance the storyline in a way they couldn't on television. And so we were all extremely excited about it.

There was a 9 a.m. showing the day it came out, but it was an hour and a half away. So my friends and I all got up at like 6 a.m. and drove an hour and a half deep into New Jersey to go to this special theater that was showing it at 9 a.m. We were the only people in the theater. We were afraid we wouldn't be able to get in. Apparently, we were the only people that were that excited about it. And then that movie did not

deliver in any way. And it really bummed me out. I'm sorry. Can I make the case for the X-Files? That sucks. I'm sorry you had that experience. They didn't answer the questions. They didn't solve they said they were gonna, like, prove that aliens existed, and then they didn't.

And then they referenced it like they did. No, there's like a scene where you think a UFO flies away, but nobody else sees it but Mulder. And then you're like, so the world doesn't know, right? So you didn't really do anything other than you confirm that aliens existed. He already fucking knew aliens existed since his sister got kidnapped in the first

fucking episode that we've been dealing with for like eight fucking years it was such it was such a limp dick fucking way to handle that and then the next season i'm like well i can't wait to see what happens next season first episode comes up fucking scully goes to molders goes well what do you want to do now you already proved that aliens exist and it's, you didn't prove aliens exist to anybody but you, asshole. Nobody else in the world knows aliens exist. Where the fuck is the, like, come on. The rest of the government's still like, you don't know what the fuck you're talking about, creepy Mulder. Aliens don't exist.

Like, it was bullshit. It was such a fucking bait and switch. Anyway, if you guys like it, that's fine. Well, no, this is, from my perspective, I had never seen the X-Files. Like, it was something that, as I was a kid growing up, it was so like cultural. It was just part of the culture. I never watched it because I was too scared of the intro of the show.

It would genuinely creep me out. I'd like run out of the room if I ever heard it. So I went into this never seeing anything related to the X-Files. I was so like out of the loop. I thought the character's names were moldry and sully and i thought he was sully i was like not only were the names wrong they were applied to the wrong people like i was just completely off and in the movie it's baffling because i assumed like going in i thought that okay the show is done and they've now released

this big movie at the end of it and so i'm watching it and they're talking about how like they need to still confirm aliens exist or there's this tone of like that aliens being a thing is not commonly accepted amongst the government and i thought what was this fucking show like i assumed every episode of the show was them dealing with an alien situation like it was baffling to me that that was the thing that had yet to be confirmed which what was even crazier to me was learning that this was not at the end of the series that the movie is like the bridge between season five and season six which is. When you think about the context of what TV viewing was in the nineties,

there is no video on demand. Like there is no, if you miss the episode and you didn't happen to record it, there is no way to see it. So you're basically asking people to remember what happened in those seasons. But as somebody who was an adult in that timeframe, that's just how the world worked and we all understood it

and we played by the rules. Exactly. No, like seriously, that's why appointment viewing was appointment viewing. Everybody had to be home to watch Buffy or X-Files or whatever when it came on

because if you missed it, you had to hope you could catch it in Submar reruns. Yeah. And so people put a lot more weight into like people prioritize TV in a different way back then because it wasn't available reruns. Yeah. And so people put a lot more weight into like people prioritize TV in a different way back then because it wasn't available like it is now. I suggested that. Well, I talked to you, Jeff, about Chuck Klosterman, who's one of my favorite writers.

He wrote a book about the 90s. Yeah. Great book. I read that, by the way. Yeah. I'm going through right now. And that's sort of what they talk about. Like if you missed a show in the 90s and you didn't record it, you're essentially only option to see it is to go to an archive in New York or Los Angeles and schedule a personal recording or viewing of it. I mean, that's why I started praying for the episode of the mosque to come back on.

Oh, that's right. Yeah. And by the way, nobody's doing that. What Chuck is describing there is what journalists do when they need to research or something. Most normal human beings just wait. Yeah, like that. That was just not part of like, if you missed it, who cares was sort of the sentiment at the time. So just to me, the notion that they would be willing to like intersect seasons of a show with a movie under the expectation that you saw all the show post and act like that's just wild.

But it was a safe assumption. Sure. Yeah. And it did extremely well, which is why I was so that's why I looked it was a safe assumption sure yeah and it did extremely well which is why i was so that's why i looked into it because it's like wow this is one of the highest grossing movies in the summer of 98 uh why didn't they do a sequel and then realizing oh they made like 10 more seasons or like five more seasons of a show post it airing i just think it's such a cultural like for me it's a weird factor of like what is a good movie and what is a good summer of 98 movie like they're different measurements so I

think my argument for having the X-Files in the top 10 is it is so 98 it is so the summer of 98 I mean it was an event I drove an hour and a half to go see it so you have to I just I just found the movie to be such a fucking letdown and all my friends did too we were all just like we just felt like we'd

been duped and it was so depressing on my birthday no less I think I turned 23 that year oh no that sucks like I I get it it was four months it was three months before I moved back to Austin who knows that movie may have been so

bad that it may have colored my opinion of New Jersey. It may have been part of why I left New Jersey to come back to Texas. If that's true, then we should put it on the list because it gave me a career out of Russia. What about, instead of picking apart what we think should be cut, are there movies that

we feel definitely will be on the list? I feel Truman Show definitely on the list. I think Truman Show is on the list. Saving Private Ryan, I think is be on the list like i feel truman show definitely on the list i think i think truman shows on the list saving private ryan i think is definitely on the list yeah i think i think lockstock has got to be on the list really i feel like i feel like lockstock is like a lesser snatch like i feel like lockstock is fun but it made so many people though yeah yeah and there wouldn't have been a snatch if it wasn't for lockstock lockstock was a huge deal when it came it's a great movie.

I just think when compared to his work that follows, not as good. But that hasn't happened yet because we're in the summer of 98. Those things don't exist. How can you compare it against things that haven't been in the... Well, I'm evaluating based on my perspective now because I was four in the summer of 98. I can't... You weren't a big Vinnie Jones fan when you were four?

I wasn't. No, that was later. Mean Machine? Great Vinnie Jones fan. I remember finding it so weird that a footballer was in a film. That was just unreal to me at the time. Wait, what do you mean?

Is Vinnie, is that? Yeah. Was he a footballer? Yeah, he was a Premier League footballer. What? What? I didn't know that. That's crazy. Are you serious? Yeah. And then when he was iner? Yeah, he was a Premier League footballer. What? What? I didn't know that. Yeah.

That's crazy. Are you serious? Yeah. And then when he was in X-Men, I was like, what is happening? Wait, wait, wait. What is happening? I had no idea about that. I didn't know.

What? That's fucking crazy. That's how we got to start. My dad used to know him, actually. He was involved in his pre-Premier League football club. Jones played professionally as a defensive midfielder from 1984 to 1999. Yeah. Yep.

That's where I knew him from. Dude, I know him from Snatch and Lockstock and Mean Machine and Gone in 60 Seconds. Here's what I'll say. I'll say one last thing just in my I guess promoting lock stock onto the list the last thing I'll say about is it ushered in a new era of film like it created gritty like funny

crime hard-boiled crime movies again it was the thing like it literally launched that whole genre that was pretty healthy for about 15 years what about like Reservoir Dogs like I feel like the knock like the thing people say about Guy Ritchie is he's just knocking off Quentin Tarantino. That style of movie.

I don't see that at all. You don't feel that way? Okay. The guy I used to work with, too, also did the slow-mo on Lockstock. There's a Photosonics film slow-mo shot at the beginning. One of the reasons we got put on Sherlock Holmes and stuff was because he did that oh that's cool i think i think of what we have here i think we could probably i think it could

be one that we consider to be on the list i think it's on if andrew's not totally sold on it i think it's on the bubble but are there any other ones like i think armageddon should definitely should armageddon should definitely be on the list right okay yeah dirty work yes I think dirty work is yes I think dirty work is on the list I think the list yes

I think blade is on the list as well I also think basketball is on the list I thank god blade had the best fucking, Blade had the best action star line ever that I've ever seen in a film. After Wesley Snipes kills,

what is it, Stephen Dorff, I believe, is who the bad guy is. After he kills him and he kicks his ass or whatever, he goes, some motherfucker's always trying to ice skate uphill. He improvised that line. He improvised that, dude.

That is the coolest fucking thing to say. Yep. I think it's like, it's just such a cool, it's such a cool line in such a cool movie from such a cool character that like,

it makes it. It totally, you're able to walk away and go like i remember that one fucking part like that's the coolest shit in the world also helps it a lot there was another thing where uh donald loge is in that movie and before it came out he was he had kind of become famous for an independent film that came out called the dow of steve where he was like a really he's like a school teacher i want to say um and it's an independent film and but he's a really like soft likable sweet guy and he everybody kind of fell in love with him as that character and then blade starts and he's got a fucking knife in his hand and he's like i stuck him i stuck him

with my pig sticker and you're like what the fuck this is a totally different dude he's wearing like leather and shit and that was yeah it was an awesome reveal yep i i think his intro to that movie is him in a blood rave getting a double blow job and like a shower stall oh yeah one of the best intros to any movie i would say like i think about the blade intro all the time this is one of those things that would be hard for us to do, but we should do a best movie intro ever draft, because I've got strong opinions. Okay, I'm going to

say that's a cool idea, and we should finish this one first. Let's do that. You don't want to put pause on this and then immediately go research and then film that? No. I'm going to leave this video in Discord for us to watch later it's just a compilation of vinnie jones fouling people in the premiere that's awesome can i share my embarrassing vinnie jones

fandom yeah when i was like 12 or 13 i'm gonna post it in in the chat right now a poster for this movie i thought this was the coolest action movie of all time. And looking back on it, it is so embarrassing. It is so cringy. The film is called Blast. It is an Eddie Griffin-led action comedy with Breckin Meyer as his co-star. And Vinnie Jones plays the villain in it.

It is so bad. But at the time, as a kid, I thought it was the coolest fucking movie when did this come when did blast come out it was like i would say mid-thousands mid-2000s i mean if breckenmeyer is it it yeah and it was 2004 it was made by a studio and a company that specifically would make dvd fodder for blockbuster like that was entirely their business uh it is an obscure film that i love that is so cringy now because it's just knowing how cool i thought it was when it is so bad it's so cheesy i think i i only ever saw eddie griffin in an undercover

brother was oh yeah there's a scene in this movie where eddie griffin soccer kicks a grenade like he does the back jump soccer kicks a grenade and then stands up and says we're playing soccer in the hood now and then like posing it is so bad oh can we schedule a viewing and watch that because i've never heard of it i want to watch that so bad it seems like a perfect seems like the perfect next movie for us to watch together oh that's great can you make a note for that please so that we remember to watch for some reason watch blast thank you uh okay uh we have that noted so right now we have six movies that we know are gonna make it blade dirty work truman show basketball saving private ryan and armageddon are there any others on here that we feel like will definitely make it it sounds like you you guys really want lock stock, so I'm fine with that.

Well, let's hold off. What if we put bubble in a different color? I'll do like a blue. I'll make the case for Halloween H2O. Because that was another one that was kind of a big deal.

We hadn't had a Halloween movie in a while. It was a return of Laurie Strug. And it was another movie that my friends and I eventized. We got so excited about it, we went and we took pictures with all the ushers at the movie theater and then made a scrapbook out of it later. I will say, I'm fine with it being on the bubble.

I don't particularly like it. i don't think it's a good film i don't think that it's even in terms of like halloween i don't think that it's like one that i would ever go back to however in the summer of 98 the lead up to that the marketing for that it was inescapable the amount of stuff that i saw for fucking halloween h2o that that is a that's like a touchstone like a zeitgeist thing for me where it was i just couldn't get away from it so i don't i don't love it i. I think on the bubble is fine, but it's definitely a 1998 thing. It had such a fucking cast. First off, it was,

I think 20 years since they'd been a Halloween movie, right? So the return, but it had obviously had Jamie Lee Curtis in it. It had Adam Arkin in it. It had Michelle Williams. It had a Janet Lee. Ella Cool J was in it.

Janet Lee was in it. Joseph Gordon Levitt was in it. It was a pretty wild cast. He died by ice. I think. Ella Cool J is the best. Was. Joseph Gordon Leavitt was in it. It was a pretty wild cast. He died by ice. I think L Cool J is the best part of them. Was that Joseph Gordon Leavitt? Yeah, I think so. Yeah. Wow. Josh Hartnett's in it too.

What? Yeah, Josh Hartnett's in it. He's like the main guy. He's like her son in the movie. Yeah, he's like the guy in it. The guy from Oppenheimer? The guy from Oppenheimer is Halloween H2O. Hot scientist is in Halloween H2O. Hot Scientist is in Halloween H2O. Wow.

The main takeaway, I watched that movie maybe like four or five months ago for the first time, and what I remember is that LL Cool J wrote romantic novels on the side, and that was just like my favorite part of that whole movie is like his side story with his wife writing romance novels at work.

That was also at the height of LL Cool J the movie actor which I love that era of his career oh some great movies Deep Blue Sea is the one that's the one yep um okay any other here that you feel like are

bubble movies that you're so so on I feel like X-Files is a bubble movie. Yeah. Because I can go either way on it. I get it, but also it really doesn't. It's okay to add it. It's fine. Yeah.

If everybody else is on board. I mean, it was a big deal to me. I'm dealing with the personal disappointment of the film, but that shouldn't affect how successful it was in the theater. So we're at 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, including our bubble movies here. I would be willing to give up Return to Paradise. It's just it's a movie I watched recently. It's a movie I'd never heard of.

And I think the moral hook of that story is really fascinating. And I found it to be an intense watch. But I don't I don't think anyone else outside of Jeff has seen it. So I'm not necessarily going to fight for it to be in the top 10. I just wanted to give it some attention as a movie. It's the Walking Phoenix one, right? Yeah, it's Walking Phoenix, Vince Vaughn, Anne Heche. All I remember is Walking Phoenix with long hair.

So the premise of the movie is it's like Vince Vaughn and walking Phoenix and this other guy are in Malaysia to just like get fucked up essentially and party all summer. And so they become friends and they do that. And then Vince Vaughn and the other guy leave and walking Phoenix is going to leave a little bit later. And then two years pass and they don't keep in touch at all you know it's like you have those friendships that that work that way and then a lawyer gets in Vince Vaughn's car and tells Vince Vaughn that the day they left the police came because they rented a bike that they didn't return and the guy wanted it back and they found like over a hundred grams of hash in the place they were living at and that what the joaquin phoenix character has been in prison for the past two years and that unless some of them are willing to come back

he will be hung in eight days and so they have to decide if the two guys that left if one of them comes back they will have to serve six years in a malaysian prison if they both come back it'll be three years each but if they don't then he will die and it's them like experiencing like kind of the floor falling out of your life like having no idea any of this happened and then having a week to decide what you're going to do in this scenario and if you're comfortable like just it's it brings up so many interesting questions and i think it's so intense at times like deliberating what the choice will be, and I had never heard of it,

so I wanted to give it some attention because I thought it was a really well-made movie. It's a fantastic movie. I feel like Six Days and Seven Nights and Return to Paradise, you gotta pick one or the other. We can't have both. I think Six Days and Seven Nights

is just a bad movie, personally. Yeah, you can go ahead. Return to Paradise is definitely better. Yeah, take it out back put two between its eyes wild about six days seven nights is danny trejo is in it but he he has no dialogue and uh what's the name of that actor he's in training day he's played like every ethnicity he's a great oh i know you're talking about what's his name i think he's a new zealand actor he's in Training Day. He's played like every ethnicity. He's a great actor. Oh, I know who you're talking about. What's his name?

I think he's a New Zealand actor. He's been in so many things. He's in Sunshine. He's in Training Day. Is it Cliff Curtis? Cliff Curtis, yeah. He is also in Six Days, Seven Nights with zero dialogue. It was like before he was famous.

They play like pirates that attack the main characters on the island, and they have one scene in the whole movie. So it's just it's wild when you watch it, seeing these actors that are notable later that has like zero presence in that film. But I think that can't hardly wait is better than six days, seven nights, small soldiers return to paradise and a perfect murder. I think can't hardly wait should make it. We are looking at a nine and can't hardly

wait if it's not going to make number eight i think it could solidly make number 10 i'm happy to eliminate a perfect murder i don't know that anybody else has seen it and uh it definitely wasn't like a huge deal when it came out i think a perfect murder is a better version of snake eyes like i think they're both like fun popcorn cable movies uh-huh i will say the wildest thing about snake eyes is so many scenes take place in the first person it's crazy yes like it's such an insane creative choice that doesn't uh-huh but i think overall perfect murder is a better movie but do you think that but i think can't hardly wait i'd rather put on the list than snake eyes and i would put can't hardly wait. I'd rather put on the list than snake eyes.

And I would put can't hardly wait above pretty much everything else that hasn't made the list yet. Like six days, seven nights, small soldiers. I do think can't hardly wait was a big deal and definitely was like, it was probably the biggest teen summer movie that year. I agree.

And like, it is, it's one of those, like it's my, to Eric's generation, I guess it's their, it's my to Eric's generation I guess it's their it's their breakfast club and so um I think

it deserves to be on the list okay okay so small soldiers not making the list wait a second wait a second you think soldiers belongs on this list I think small soldiers is better than Halloween H2O I would take wow I would take small soldiers over Halloween H2O. I would take Wow. I would

take Small Soldiers over Halloween H2O. I would take Snake Eyes over Halloween H2O. I would take A Perfect Murder over Halloween H2O. I would take almost all these movies over Halloween H2O. Now we're talking. Now we're talking. See, I only I'm just acquiescing on Halloween H2O

just because it was such a touchstone. Like in like the, I just remember so much of it, but I don't like that movie at all. I don't know if this should factor into it, but a thing with Halloween H2O was that Jamie Lee Curtis only agreed to make it. I want to say this is going off of memory, so I might be slightly wrong on this, but she would only do it if she got to kill Michael Myers. But then the guy that like own the character forced to change and it caused like this whole drama on set because it they swap out so like the michael myers character he doesn't they think they kill him but they don't kill him like he switches outfits with somebody at the end so like their compromise is that the jamie lee curtis character thinks she's killing michael myers but they wanted to continue to make those movies so they set it up so he actually survives and moves on.

So I feel like lessens it quite a bit for me. I might just be biased because I am a huge fan of the Halloween franchise. Oh, they're great. In that role and have watched them all a million times. But it was also, I mean, if we're just going off like big summer blockbusters, it was a pretty big one. Oh, for sure.

I always like it when the lead actor wants to drastically have a huge effect on this plot line. Like when Sigourney Weaver was like, yeah, I want to have sex with the alien, though. What? Yeah, apparently in Aliens, she wanted to like die and bang the alien. And James Cameron was like, here's here's why we shouldn't do that and then it just happens in like the next movie oh no um so are we putting small soldiers on the bubble gavin do you have any strong feelings about small soldiers i never saw it but i remember i remember being a kid and seeing the ads for it left and right I'm pretty sure there was some happy meals for it I feel like it was huge

I felt too old for Small Soldiers in 1998 and I was 12 yeah I was 10 it is not a movie that like I have like no love for it

whatsoever like none really truly it does nothing for me I don't find it to be funny that I have no love for it whatsoever. Like none. Really. Truly. It does nothing for me. I don't find it to be funny. I don't find it to be good. I don't find it to be interesting. It's ugly to look at. I don't like the way anyone moves.

I don't like the way anyone looks. I don't enjoy the movie whatsoever. But I am not the only one here, so I can't make the call. But's one that i would like not put on this list i was 10 so i loved it i feel all phil hartman movies inherently have value but i'm not gonna simp for fucking small soldiers so no it was oh no for me for me like i had the game i had the toys it was also part of at that time time period, I feel like kids' movies that were great with their merchandising,

like between that and Turbo Man, those were just like jingle all the way. Like such great, like I have such fondness of playing with those toys as a kid. And thinking it was so cool that this movie I liked, I could have the physical toy from the thing. Did you have a Turbo Man? I hate the way this looks. turbo man i hate the way this looks

like genuinely despise yeah the way this looks you mean you're talking about the color scheme the color combination oh like like look at look at these like i just dropped a picture in the chat like our text channel i hate this that one on the left looks like the guy from galaxy quest it's just like this is this to me is a movie where people said bro, you saw Toy Story. What if the toys were like fucking twisted? And that's the movie. And it sucks. I don't like it. Yeah, like I can't.

That's fair. I just have such a fondness from it from my childhood. Yeah, the Gorgonites are just misunderstood. They are. Yeah. And they're supposed to be like He-Man guys. Like, oh, God. Oh, OK.

Well, I see it. Take it. Yeah. like oh god yeah okay well i see it yeah can we get rid of six days seven nights from our list i'm fine with that i'm on board with that yeah i'm fine with losing snake eyes if we can lose small soldiers why are you taking me down with you if we can lose if we lose small soldiers i'm fine with losing snake eyes once uh well let's see how many spaces do we have we have four five six seven i think at this point lockstock makes it it feels like you guys are pretty into it we have 10 with our bubble movies okay i think halloween h2o should be cut, personally, before Snake Eyes or Small Soldiers. Okay.

But I'm fine with that. Okay. But here's the thing. Here's the thing. Small Soldiers does not belong on this list. No, it's better than Snake Eyes. It is better than Snake Eyes. Listen, I'm a Nicolas Cage fan.

I'm a huge Nicolas Cage fan, and I think Snake Eyes is not a very good movie. Now, here's the thing. I'm not a Nicolas good movie now here's the thing i'm not i'm not a nicholas cage fan at all and i think snake eyes is fucking gonzo and it should make this cut have you ever watched it in one full sitting without absolutely yes i have okay i have realistically like we're going back and forth between snake eyes and small soldiers like i think we're both gonna accept the fact that that's probably like 10 or nine.

Oh yeah. And if, and if that's the case there, like either one of those are 10 or nine, then I feel like Halloween H2O could be 10 because if you left small soldiers and snake eyes off this list, I like 10 is such a, such like a negligible spot that I have a real soft spot in my heart for

small soldiers but i don't think i necessarily feel as strongly about small soldiers as you do about snake eyes so i'm okay with i'm sorry to to hold up on defending the line nick but i am okay if you want a small small soldiers is a better film than Snake Eyes. There you go. It's in. I'm a little too worried that in the US, Lockstock came out in March 1999. Well, yeah, that's what we brought up originally. Oh. I didn't know that. Wow, it made $3.7 million.

That's why Andrew did wide releases of the summer of 98, and then this got added last minute. Well, let's just take it off. All right. Let's just take it off then. The release date on IMDb or on Wikipedia, I guess, was the UK release date. Yeah. 28th of August, 98.

It made $18.9 million. Lockstock is out. So let's just take it off. Wow. Which means I think Can't Hardly Wait makes it in. Yeah, I agree. Oh, shit. And that means

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 we have 9 not can't was that 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 including Halloween H20 and the 2 that we're fighting for are small soldiers

and snakes I'm just sitting back for this And the two that we're fighting for are Small Soldiers and Snake. I'm just sitting back for this. Okay. David Cross and Jay Moore in Small Soldiers. Yeah. That does nothing for it. Get real. Who cares?

It has a video game that was fun. There's chips. What's the guy that did gremlins it's one of his works did snake eyes had toys i don't think so did no it had carla gugino and gary sinise oh we got frank langella we got frank langella over here it had brian de palma doing one scene over and over and over again from different perspectives like his own roshamon but but none of it came together to really fulfill any kind of obligation or storytelling it was fantastic however nick cage wearing this suit unreal what the fuck why that's awesome that's great yeah it's a pretty good that's a pretty he's really good in it too like it is a great nick cage performance can we get that suit what if and i i don't i hate to do this nick because we're linked in small soldiers

what if we got rid of Halloween H20 and then just added Snake Eyes and Small Soldiers? How the fuck is Snake Eyes making it on the list when only one person wants it on the list? That's a great point. Me and Gavin both want Snake Eyes. I never said a

single word about Snake Eyes. Gavin's over here. He wants Snake Eyes. You can tell here. Gavin's over here. He wants snake guys. You can tell by watching what he's doing that he wants snake guys. Okay, let's take a vote. Let's take a vote. Who wants small soldiers

on the list? I do. I do. I do. Okay, and now who wants snake guys on the list? Me?

Gavin? Me, apparently. Gracie? It's tied well it sounds like we're gonna be here all night this is like picking a pope well it's tough because hey Gracie would you rather see

small soldiers or snake eyes on this list I feel like I have to go small soldiers or snake eyes on this list? I feel like I have to vote snake eyes because you are my boss. Yes! Okay, so we are Gavin and Gavin, which one would you rather see on this list? Small soldiers. Son of a bitch!

Democracy works! Now, I just won the vote, but I do want to say I don't feel like passion should also be measured in this. Like, it shouldn't always just be a majority decision dictating. But, yeah, I agree. I'm putting Snake Eyes in green because it's

money. How about this, Eric? How about Snake Eyes is our alternate 11th pick if any of the other 10 can't perform their duties, Snake Eyes gets to fill in. If we find out that Truman Show came out in January of 99. I mean, we already got rid of Lockstock, so you never know. That could be scammed off the bench. OK, so our 10 right now in no particular order.

This is just what they're listed blade dirty work truman show basketball x-files small soldiers boo saving private ryan halloween h2o armageddon and can't hardly wait i think that's a strong list there's some great movies on that list okay does anyone have any strong feelings about number one? Yeah. Yeah. Maybe it would be easier to go ten. Yeah, let's look. Instead of fighting for one immediately. I think Halloween H2O has to be ten, right? Yeah, you got it.

Small Soldiers in at number ten. Well, yeah. In at number ten or nine. I think X-Files, but if you guys want to make Small Soldiers. I just think the cultural relevance of X-Files makes it higher. I feel like X-Files is way higher on the list yeah it's a better movie I think if you're talking cultural relevance then you got to stop shitting

on Halloween because it had just as much cultural relevance in that time you think it was just as big yeah that movie though or just the franchise both okay uh small soldiers at 10 that's fine I'm gonna sit yeah I'm not gonna fight it's on the list

like wherever you want to put it uh okay um we fought hard for 10 great uh okay number 9 anyone feel anything particular there for 9 X-Files I think X-Files should be top

5 whoa top 5 wow i think i think all right like five then uh how about for number nine how about can't hardly wait that movie sucks i do okay i don't think it sucks but i do think that it is a solid eight nine or ten pick to have can't hardly wait there i'm not against that i'm fine with can't hardly wait at nine i yeah here's my problem i think there's one clear winner and then i really don't give a fuck between two through ten what do you think what do you think the clear winner is i think it's pretty obvious the best movie from the summer of 1998 that's the clear champion is dirty work no absolutely no it's in the top three yeah i i would i would if it's in the top three it's number one

i think if it's in the top it i don't know about that i'm gonna i'm gonna make an argument and this is maybe like a both a positive and in my opinion a negative for this movie i think it kind of weighs it down i think saving private ryan is an incredible movie but it's not a 98 movie to me like i feel like you could release Saving Private Ryan now and it would be one of the best movies of this year like it's not to me a real reference of that time period

I think you could say the same thing about Dirty Work yeah I don't I don't know why you think a movie being so good you could release it now would be detrimental to its selection on this because I can sort of see his point that because this is the summer of 98 this is the summer of 98 and like yeah and saving private ryan is like a huge like a tantamount thing like it's huge in the summer of 98 sure it released then but i'm saying like when i think of 90s things i think of the x-files i

don't think of saving private ryan then can't hardly wait should be like number two yeah i agree it's about is that i would have it the movie i personally no but i'm saying i personally would have it higher i'm agreeing with you like i would have kane hardly wait probably like six no offense to you but that's just like your opinion man a lot of people associate the summer 98 with saving private ryan i sure i think saving private right for me saving private ryan's number one on this list i mean i i understand dirty work's not going to get number one it's my number one but i assumed saving private ryan would be number one that's what i really i did i think there's a different movie that is number one personally

basically i mean you think you think blade is number one, Andrew? No, I don't. I think Blade's top five. That's what I thought he was thinking. I think Blade is the top five film. It sounds like we've got about nine movies that we all want to put in the top five. And yeah, it's my opinion. That's all I have. I'm not saying I'm right. I'm just stating that was my perspective.

Okay. Do we have one that we think should be eight? What's number... Number... So number 10 is... How about Halloween? Nobody like... Put Halloween number eight.

Yeah, I'm fine with that. Yeah, pull the stuff that barely made this list into these next ones. Get the fath out of the way. Armageddon is seven. Are you serious? Armageddon is like number two. Armageddon is probably three under Truman Show.

I think I'm fine with Armageddon at seven. What? I'm not an Armageddon fan. I don't think it's great. I'm not a huge Armageddon fan, but that movie, Summer of 98 written all over it. It's a massive explosive fire font that's

true i didn't see it 10 years later yeah i saw it much later as well so like i think that's a very valid point i just i think i would personally rank it like at seven but yeah and you see where you're coming from you always train drillers to be astronauts and not astronauts to be drillers here's here's my question i have a question are we picking the best movie of 1998 or the movie that was like the best movie i guess emblematic of 98 because i feel like we're going we have two scales here i think yeah i think that's what makes it tough is i think both scales to me at least have relevance yeah because I think Armageddon is not a very good film and I wouldn't want to watch it again but it's hard to argue that it wasn't like totally one of the biggest things in in at least America in the summer of 98 oh

internationally huge as well yeah that's what I'm saying it's like it's like number one number two material when was Deep Impact out wasn't that around the same time but a little bit before came out like right before it same year okay if i'm doing one two three if i'm picking one two three saving private ryan armageddon truman show that's my one two three i'm letting you know right now that's how i feel about what we have on this list mine would be dirty work basketball truman show wow oh if jeff's thinking basketball could be in top three i'm absolutely fighting for basketball to be it's without any rd my favorite film yeah mine would be truman show dirty work blade my top three oh blade's so good mine's up there too be saving private ryan truman show blade wow i will say that i think we all

pick truman show to be a top three i think truman show is one personally here's the thing here's the thing if we all say it's top three and it's the only one we agree on it might be number one all right let's put it let's slot it in at number one right now just to get it out of the way so yeah that's a good idea we're working with i i it really working with. It really, Gavin, it's a great pick, and it really is, to me, it's a number one. I feel like it's one of those films where I just want to know more about the universe. I want to know more about the behind the scenes.

It's probably why I like Westworld and stuff, where it's just like, they don't over-explain anything that's happening. It's just like you get little glimpses. You're like, oh, I guess people are coming in through the the elevators oh and i think what you were saying jeff i think it is the perfect balance of both those scales like to me it is a very 90s idea and how it's portrayed and it's also just a fucking great movie like it hits both things for me that's why i would have it at one okay i think x files is

number five number six on this list i'm fine with that yeah it could be anywhere in five six or seven put it at six right there okay i think that's fair like you have a real genuine like undeserved hatred of it i think that you just put hallow Halloween ignoring what you say. I was a little bit older than y'all. So that's funny. I was I was 23 in the summer of 98. So I still remember

all this pretty well. I would put basketball at a number four or number five personally. Oh, I would love to see it at four. Let's put it at four right now. Yeah, let's do it at four. That was the first film

I watched that had, you know, the one joke every five seconds sort of thing. That was also just a filthy movie. And I just loved both aspects of that. I think Dirty Work is a number five because I really do think two and three are Armageddon and Saving Private Ryan. I think Saving Private Ryan. I'd put it at, I'd put it at five.

Did you appreciate Saving Private Ryan in the 90s though, Eric? Yeah. Were you old enough? Yeah. Watching that movie, the scene where he's like, where it's like the knife fight with the Nazi

and he's like pushing it into him is like in my fucking brain for the until the day i die it's in my brain yeah that movie that movie was like it changed shit and is so big and so it was just such it was such a film it was was huge. Huge. Alright. My problem with that film is that it came out the year I got out of the military and it was probably the most realistic depiction

of battle I've ever seen. And I cried buckets through the entire film and I have never sat through the movie since. Anytime I try... I tried to watch it at Bernie's house a couple years ago and I just started bursting in tears and I couldn't handle it. I had to leave. That movie affects me in a way. I'll say I don't

like it because of how upsetting it is to me. I completely understand. The shots of the ramps coming down off the boats is one of the most disturbing scenes in any film. 100%. And you just think like, holy shit. It's so crazy. Everything's a dice roll. And Vin Diesel's in it.

Not for long, though. Not for long. So I submitted. He's in it. I ranked every one of these, and then I sent my list to TPG, and TPG, I'd love to include it at the end of this. He did a reaction to every one of my picks,

and he gave this great fun fact about Saving Private Ryan. I guess when they were doing like the combat training for it, Vin Diesel was notoriously shit at throwing fake grenades. He was awful at it. And I don't know if they like had to change things because of it, but just everyone made fun of how bad he was at throwing the grenades. Terrible. That tracks.

It does. You wouldn't put saving private Ryan at number two. I think you guys have made some really great points for it like i'm not if it's there i'm totally fine with that i i think i'd personally have it a bit lower but i think it's well deserved it's like an amazing i mean if if schindler's list was in this list would it be at number one yes yeah yeah yeah all right put it at number two okay number three it how how is it not armageddon because dirty work exists and basketball exists that's nearly a reason blade exists i feel like obviously armageddon huge 98 movie everywhere all over the advertising but there's no way that holds up as anything worth watching now i watched it in probably june

still liked it fun as hell when they go to the strip club and they start telling the strippers that they're astro it's so fucking funny there are so many good moments it's it's a lot of fun even when steve beshemi just starts going apeshit yeah it's look when it looks so 90s the budget is way too high but that's just what 90s movies were they were just exorbitant like they were ugly um but like man it's really good it's it's still like a really fun movie oh it's also got the aerosmith song though though. Oh, that is just so... So 98. I think I'd be okay with Armageddon at three if Dirty Work was four. Oh, you're bumping basketball, huh?

I can see that, too. Yeah, I could live with that. Okay. I think we do have to live with that. Okay. Yeah? Here's what's going to happen, and this is why this,

when it's all said and done, we're going to have a good list. I don't think any of us is going to be happy with the list at the end of it. And that's how, you know, like, that's how, you know,

you truly compromised. If nobody got their way, then we got a good list. Yep. Yeah. I mean, I'm looking at this list and I would skip a few and just go straight to basketball.

If I had to watch any of these movies now, like some of these movies are heavy movies. That puts Blade at 7. I don't like Blade at 7. I don't like Blade at 7. Switch Blade and X-Files. I would switch Blade and X-Files. I can live with that. Now I don't want to continue to push it.

Is Blade above basketball? Oh my god, damn it. I don't know. It might be. it's so 90s and it's so good i just can't skate uphill so great it's so good the little fucking the big sticker the hand gesture he does like that weird fist bump thing in the leather suit it's so good it's so dumb he is so fucking cool but what about when coop and rima make out under the malakalaka board what about when fucking lem from the shield thinks he's going to a party and is having a great time and then fucking blood pours from the ceiling from all the sprinkler heads. It is true.

And they go crazy. And he's terrified. It is such a memorable intro. Oh, it's so good. Blake one is so good. And Lemonhead. That dude was awesome. He was a good actor.

He's great. He's great in everything he's in. He was great in that show too, man. So good in the shield. Yeah. Let's go alphabetical. Baseball, blade. Yeah, that makes sense.

I think basketball is above blade. I do too. And I have a blade tattoo. That says a lot. You know what? I'm going to get a lazy boy tattoo. Do Matt Stone and Trey Parker like basketball? I don't think so. I that I think they don't think they like

each other they were making it just for shits and giggles it between South Park episodes right they were like barely awake the whole movie because it's not like they didn't write it or anything right everything I think they did everything I've read is

that they hated all the movies that they made and they hated the process of making films yeah and it almost directed it almost destroyed their relationship i think directed by david zucker writers david zucker robert low cash and uh lewis friedman oh wow written by them it's not i assume they wrote and directed nope no it was yeah it was the zuckers. They did Orgasmo and Cannibal Musical. Oh, yeah. It says on IMDb that they agreed to do the movie with the assumption that by the time filming began,

South Park would be canceled. Wow. Budget? Budget, $25 million. Box office, $7 million oh there you go well maybe we'll go block out box office what a blade make did i make seven million okay so here's our top 10 list as uh picked by us number 10 small soldiers number nine can't hardly wait number eight halloween h2o number seven the x-files number six blade number five basketball number four dirty work number three armageddon

number two saving private ryan and our number one pick for the summer of 98, Truman Show. I think that's a good list. Yeah, I'm not happy with it. I'm not happy at all. Yeah, so I think that means it's a good list. Yeah. What would you change? What would I change? You're asking what would I change?

Yeah, what would you both flip? What would make you happier? Saving Private Ryan would be number one. Armageddon would be number two. Truman Show would be number one yeah arm again would be number two truman show would be number three uh blade x the rest of it's probably fine small soldiers would not be on the list snake eyes would be on the list well snake eyes is first off the bench it's true right if number 11 snake eyes if can't hardly wait can't uh fulfill their obligations,

then Snake Eyes is in. That's true. That's true. Gavin, any thoughts? Yeah, I think it's... I can't argue any further with this list. Yeah. I would probably... I think one and two could easily swap for anyone,

but I'm very happy with Truman Show number one. I think it's fair. I think it's a fair choice to have truman show at number one i it's not what i would put there but i think by virtue of us all putting it top three it deserves to be there and making this list if you don't know it's coming when he crashes the boat into the wall it's such a shocking moment it's such an amazing moment it also is interesting to watch now like i watched it for the first time maybe like two or three years ago and just the living in a world where like vlogging wasn't a thing like the way that they talk about it is so interesting now to like watch it within a modern context of like the the amount of of work they do to essentially create a vlog is fascinating

that is pretty much what it is huh yeah it's like this entire like they could not predict that people would willingly just do this and that's such a good point do it voluntarily yeah like it's so much effort and money for a thing that people would do but then it creates a question of like how influential was the truman show and vlogging as an idea like did that have an impact in the culture going forward i think it must have i think it would do so yeah um yeah there's people in the bath watching people live i live there that's my summer home. Yeah, their name is Andrew. All right. Well, this has been a lot longer.

This took longer than I thought it was, but none of it, I think, is bad. I think all of it is very, like... This is strong. Yeah, I was worried that this would go by too quickly, but this was a great recording. And thank you guys so much for... Thanks for bringing this together, Andrew.

Yeah, this is a really great idea andrew what a year what a summer what a great summer this was the last good year 1998 don't tell that to 2013 yeah i do i do think there is an argument for 2013 as being that a really good year that's okay so for context of people who are listening to this and i don't think we talked about it in this episode but right before um jess and erica on our sales team have been uh having a debate sort of outside of our summer of 98 stuff where they think that 2013 is the year that they're very like like oh that's what i missed and all like these things around 2013 because here's why i'm i'm floating down the river i've got a beer in my hand and uh get Lucky by Daft Punk is playing out of someone's speaker.

And it's just like, well, you know, this is good. Everything's fine. Take me back. Blurred lines was everywhere. It was inescapable. Never mind. Absolutely inescapable. Just threw up in my mouth a little bit.

2013 had a couple of songs or had like some like music and everything but if you go to like the movies of 2013 and then you look at just summer of 98 insane the difference because 2013 doesn't hold a candle to this blood bloodlines went diamond yeah dude massive on what Massive. What is diamond? Ten platinums. Yep. Wow. It was huge.

I mean, I don't think people understand how big it was. Massive. And then sued for the rights. Anyway, Andrew, you should take us out from this. Do a nice little outro. I will take us out. I will. Before I do the outro, you know how they have those DVDs where it's like four films in one,

like those budget DVDs? Imagining our top four as a four-pack is a wild ride. That's a good one, though. Truman Show, Saving Private Ryan, Armageddon, and Dirty Work. There's a lot of range in that four-pack. You're getting a real experience. Well, this has been the Summer of 98 movie list. Thank you so much, you guys, for going through this process with me.

We're all unhappy but I think that makes us happy as a collective which is great if you watch this please let us know what your top 10 would be would you have snake eyes I bet you won't what enjoy the next piece coming up which will be

the music of 98 which I have no idea how that will go poorly bye that was terrible that was i really like my intro to it better than gavin's outro i would say as bad if not worse at least the closing part i didn't know how to end as bad as mine i think so it was pretty bad i think i didn't think it was was i think it was great up until the end. I really botched the last 5%. Yeah, you teased the last piece of content. You shouldn't have done that.

Yeah, that was insane. I think you got in your head a little bit. I did. I was nervous. Bye! You rejected it. It's your boy TPG. It's Wednesday, July 19th.

Someone's lawn mowing outside. I got a craving for a quesadilla. And the legend Andrew Panton just sent me the list of the 1998 movies, which we'll be looking at right now. Let's go ahead. We're opening it up. And we're off. All right.

Number one in the ranking, I see, truman show classic goaded what else do you needs to be said the fact that this movie impacted a generation peter weir underrated director obviously jim carrey you know jim carrey actually has a very strange autobiography like sci-fi head trip of a book that I would recommend. Definitely check that out. Dirty Work, number two. Massive face energy. Saw this in the theaters. Great call.

Blade, number three. Best superhero opening ever made. Introduced me and my whole family to techno. Iconic. One-liners. Sick fighting. Probably David Goyer's best best writing just a dope movie private ryan dope movie fun fact i saw this uh screen at the arrow in los angeles on film and they were talking about the legendary boot camp that people went to. And Adam Goldberg was there. And he told this story how our boy Vin

Toretto himself could not throw a grenade. Like he didn't have the throwing ability in his body. And it was very stressful. So sorry to put that out there, Dom. Wrong flick cues. I don't know what that is. I should watch it. Massive cred of sight soderbergh great flick i saw this at a sleepover i didn't really understand what was going on can't hardly wait love hewitt great flick haven't seen it since also at a sleepover small soldiers in the eighth spot just watched this movie with my entire family week not week but just like average opening and just an insane finale uh i don't think i'll ever get the image of the little corn the comp sticks getting shot into some kid's leg by a psycho commando you know and obviously this movie is just so nuts

the end incredible armageddon what else needs to be said outside of the fact that you guys got to track down the audio of Michael Bay talking about the spacesuits? A lot of people talk about the Ben Affleck making fun of the movie and the astronauts. That's cool. And I have my own thoughts on Affleck. But the Bay talking about spacesuits is iconic. the bay talking about spacesuits is iconic basketball first glimpse i think of trey and matt's brilliance uh and then we're moving into a couple other ones x files movie my parents took me to see this it was awesome really kind of blew my mind shout out to like the black goo or the black tar which also would come back again in prometheus so i think they're canon

mulan never saw this one why do fools fall in love never saw that one ever after i think i didn't go on a date to see that madeline i'll read the books parent trap saw this one recently pretty fun that really creates like a weird wish fulfillment i would say of young girls hoping that they have another set of parents and a long lost sister who is extremely rich dude a negotiator samuel l heater movie dude like this one a lot i think this was f gary gray who has put together a really interesting career for himself for sure snake Snake Eyes, De Palma. I didn't understand the artistic clout that was in this movie, but I did enjoy it as kind of a weird spiritual sequel that teaches all the fans of the Nick Cade, Trinity, The Rock, Bad Boys,

and Con Air about art. Perfect Murderer, don't remember this one. Air Bud 2, I'm not a big dog guy, Something About Mary, low-key overrated, Halloween H20, never saw it, wasn't into scary movies then, Lethal Weapon 4, introduced the entire country to Jet Li, dope movie, Dr. Dolittle, no thanks, 54, I think this is a gourmet movie about a disco. Not for me. Six Days, Seven Nights. Shout out to Anne Heche.

Shout out to Harrison Ford, of course. Dance With Me. Don't know what that is. Disturbing Behavior. This has been on my list for a minute. Mafia. Love Jay Moore. You know, loved him in Air.

Dead Man on Campus. Heard of it, never saw it. How Stella Got Her Groove Back. Never seen it. Avengers. loved him in air dead man on campus heard of it never saw it how still i got her groove back never seen it avengers saw this in the theaters very confusing and i would say like we're missing the faculty which is crazy