Regulation Podcast - Survive Block Island: Meltdown Retrospective with Gavin & Andrew

Episode Date: November 12, 2022

*SPOILERS AHEAD* WATCH SURVIVE BLOCK ISLAND: MELTDOWN BEFORE LISTENING! Now that Survive Block Island: Meltdown is wrapped up, Geoff sits down with Gavin & Andrew to dig into their experiences on the show and all the supposed betrayal everyone assumed. What was it like behind the scenes and how was it being trapped on an island together, virtually. Everything talked about here is a spoiler for Survive Block Island: Meltdown which people will say "How was I supposed to know there were spoilers" but like imagine you do that. Come on. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

This is a Rooster Teeth production. content okay is that not would you like i can do it differently no no that was hey hey what's up everybody it's jeff from face uh along with me i got eric and andrew and gavin and we're doing a piece of supplemental content or i could do like hey it's supplemental content time with your old pals of face uh we talked about this a while ago doing a doing a supplemental episode what show what show do you listen to where they go, hey, what's up? It's supplemental content. Well, you start it off then. Guys, welcome to a very special F*** Face episode. It's Andrew and Gavin, both participants in Survive Block Island Meltdown. And we have here Jeff Ramsey, who can help lead this conversation.

Guys, it's been a while since we've been doing Survive Block Island. And I know that some people may have forgotten some things, alliances, things that happen in the show. But Gavin and Andrew have a lot to dig into here. When does this come out? Is this after the show? This will have to come out after the show's ended.

So you speak freely. See, so it's like that. So I didn't even say supplemental one time. Oh, okay. Yeah. But it is supplemental content. But it is supplemental. I understand, but you don't have to say that it's like that. So I didn't even say supplemental one time. Oh, okay. Yeah. But it is supplemental content. But it is supplemental. I understand, but you don't have to say that it's supplemental.

How about this? Yeah. Supplemental. Hey, what's up? It's Jeff and the Foo Face crew. And a while back, we talked about doing a supplemental episode where Gavin and Andrew discuss the particulars, get down and dirty about their experience performing together and against each other on Survive Block Island Meltdown,

which is a survivor-inspired Minecraft show that we filmed that's available on the Roost Teeth website. Is that good? Yeah, I thought that was great. Yeah, it's perfect. I would like to know, Gavin, what was your prep going in? We can kind of contrast with each other what we did. My prep going in was making sure I didn't have any other work to do that week

so I could film for a week on Survive Block Island. You did more than that, though. You watched the first season, didn't you? I watched season one of Survive Block Island. That was probably the only research I did. What did you think of it? I thought it was great. Let me ask you a question. Who did you, like like going in who did you think was going to win well

i knew who's who won because it got spoiled did i spoil it because apparently i'm spoiling for a lot of people you might have done actually i remember thinking oh maybe because obviously i knew i was going to play and i thought oh i might be at an advantage here because I'm noticing a lot of these games yeah uh shit that I built once with you oh yeah you and I invented a lot of the a lot of the we're like the genesis for a lot of the games in season one yeah and I saw the credits go by my name wasn't in there for you know like map origin builder and I thought well damn was my name in there for map origin builder well I mean your name was all over it in other places but i feel like someone who built a lot of the challenges i thought i didn't get credit for building the challenges either i'm not really fussed but people were getting real worked up about credits i was talking to megabat she's like why isn't your name in there

i was like oh i don't know should i be mad i didn't even know I was in the credits. But to be fair, you certainly had a 50% hand in the creation of anything that I had a hand in. Jesus, dude. You still think that water looks good, Andrew? No. No, I'm glad. I'm glad I don't have it.

Just to let it be known, anything I've ever built in Minecraft was 50 50 cabin like it's never been just me we were a package deal and we were pretty uh we got to we got on pretty well except for the the obsidian i think was the one time we fucking blew it uh did you enjoy it like what were you surprised at how good it was? I was surprised at how robust the game is as a whole. Like, just Survivor as a game is amazing. And how easily it can be adapted into Minecraft. And the fact that there's, like, actual Minecraft items that you can use to represent a Survivor-specific thing,

and it works in an actual way. I thought the visuals of, like, the heads was so good. That's not something you get in the real survivor yeah I thought it was great overall I think it's a testament action was amazing a testament to

how how well crafted survivor as a game is yeah like it is a part like the mechanics of survivor are almost perfect like it's really hard to break the game and then minecraft is

just uniquely suited it's like that kind of sandbox and there really isn't another, like there's not another game out there that we could have done it that would have worked with as much parody. And with all the mods added in,

like the proxy chat and stuff works so well. The fact that you could walk off on your own and you actually feel alone as voices faded into the distance. That was really cool. Fun fact, that worked very well in season two, broke immediately in season one. We were manually pulling people out of chats and putting them in Discord chats and stuff. Fun fact, that worked very well in season two, broke immediately in season one.

We were manually pulling people out of chats and putting them in Discord chats and stuff. It was a nightmare. It seems like a nightmare because I was using it to judge who could hear me or not. Like I would edge up to someone closer to me and then I would edge forward to see, to listen to the people further on. And then I would edge back to, then I would know that only the person I'm looking at can hear me. I'd be trying to get their attention. Did they have that knowledge of who is in the chats in season one? Because I feel like that's a level of paranoia that that cast may not have had to deal with.

I don't remember, but I do remember, the thing I do remember is we would watch people like foraging off in the wilderness looking for totems and we would have conversations like, okay, is Alfredo too far away from Joe to hear him have that conversation with Barb? Yeah, pull him out, pull him out, pull him out.

And they're like, no, put him back in bed. It was a very painful, painstaking manual process. I don't remember what their purview was, but just that it was a nightmare on the production end. And I'm so glad they fixed it for season two. Yeah, it worked really well. It was awesome. How about you, Andrew?

What was your prep? Okay, so in the way, we have a little bit different relationship. Do you not know about his prep? I mean, I know he watched some live streams of the competitors. I don't know about this. This is my prep. This is

incredible. We have a different relationship with Survivor. I love the game of Survivor. I'm not comparing myself at all to Tom Brady or Peyton Manning, but their obsession with football is like what I have with Survivor. Like, I just love the game and I study it and I do a lot of things. Survivor is largely a game about knowledge.

So my first level of prep was I needed to figure out who the cast is because I don't know a lot of people outside of the small bubble I'm in within Rooster Teeth. So I figured I'd have no idea who any of these people are and for how fast we film we would shoot typically two episodes per day it's a five-day shoot i didn't think i'd have a lot of time to socially try to break into relationships that already existed or unwind them in some way so So the first thing I did was they sent us this folder to submit our skins so they could release a trailer for Survive Block Island Meltdown. I was checking

that folder every single day looking to see who would add to it so I'd know who the cast was ahead of time. What the fuck? That was the first layer. Tip of the iceberg, Eris. This is tip of the iceberg. I heard other people say like i didn't

know what the cast was till the trailer i was like i was so far ahead in that aspect i was checking every day to see who it was then once i had everybody it was like great i don't want anyone to know that i'm like doing research on people so once the trailer came out i followed everybody on the cast and i put tweet notifications for every single person because I just wanted to see everything that they were talking about going into the shoot once I did that I then wanted to know

roughly how much everybody knew about the game of survivor as a whole because it changes the depth of strategy and possible options and just familiarity so everybody who twitch streamed i watched everyone's first twitch stream to where they reacted to it and i got pretty useful information from that from people either being like i'm not really familiar with survivor or the cast or like

lexi who is on the cast said i love meg i don't trust her in survivor which was something i just had in my back pocket and knew that i could talk to Meg about if I needed to. Be like, hey, I listened to this. She will not trust you. I want to trust you. It was a way for me to build trust. He knew all of the alliances before we'd even join the game. Before we joined the show.

Did he know the alliances before they were made? Like just like, he's just like, I assume this will happen. Yes. Yeah, I kind of could tell because what I did was i followed everybody and then i looked at who everybody followed and i made a spreadsheet of who followed who so that would give me a general understanding of who had previous relationships going into the game and it held pretty true the first two or three votes the people that got eliminated were people

that didn't follow anybody else on the cast so the first person who went home i was sad i didn't get to really interact with them was blessing blessing was the only person who didn't follow a single person on the crew hey on the cast hold on before before we go any further i just realized this has already come out this has been out for a while yes but if you're listening to this and you don't know who wins like you just got we just had our first spoiler blessings first person to go home maybe stop here if you want to watch it without having it spoiled yes because from this second on every moment of the show will be spoiled and it is a great show i remember talking to andrew in the first episode this is when we were everyone was like starting to talk about alliances i started trying to talk

to jack about an alliance but he didn't want one he didn't well he didn't want a lot jack didn't want to lie the entire game which made it a bit difficult jack didn't understand how fucking survival oh my god it was so fucking annoying at one point i tried to save jack by because i just did all the outcomes in my head i was like with this outcome you'll still be here tomorrow he's like i don't want to lie i'm like well you'll leave you're going home then and he was like okay but i talked to andrew on the first day and andrew already had all this information like wow lexi's close with blizz and blah blah i was like how do you how do you know what was it was a different thing of like yeah as well because there's a tech test that you didn't go to and the people that did go to that tech test was like blizz lexi a lot of the people

that were not in the building for it that were streamers they were like talking and stuff i i spent most of that time trying to count how far in blocks the range was for our thing because we had to put it in and i determined while they were talking that it was like 60 blocks it's like a 60 block radio i also i was using a controller and i was not that calm with it and i didn't at this time want to show how little i knew how to play on the pc version with the controller so i got stuck in a boat and i didn't know how to get out of it i didn't want to tell anybody so i spent like the last seven minutes just riding around this little pond in a boat just pretending like i was happy and i wanted to be there can i say just for a second andrew does this he creates spreadsheets yeah he watches streams he looks at who people

are following to discover the relationships he does this tremendous amount of work to get ahead of the game yeah but at no point in that process does he play the game no yeah which would have been the most beneficial thing he could have done is understand how the fucking game works but that never crosses your mind he takes the whole situation and just like right clicks and looks at the code like he's not interested in like the activity this is like well if i take this i've spent so much time playing the xbox version of minecraft i have hundreds and hundreds of hours that i had a false confidence shocking i know that i would be able to adjust to this really quickly i could not figure out the controls but that also worked to my advantage later for how i ended up having to play

the game strategically uh which was not necessarily how i planned on going in it didn't start the way i kind of had this vision of how it would go and i had to adapt greatly but that wasn't i think the funniest prep i did during the twitch streams was I watched Jack stream Minecraft after the announcement and he streamed for four hours. And that motherfucker did not mention it once. Zero mention of it. All he was doing was digging a hole to the point where I watched for an hour and I said, this is insane. I need to do something about this. I had a friend go into his Twitch chat and ask about survival like hey i'm excited about

it hoping to prompt jack to talk about it didn't do it i had four different people prompt during the stream and he never acknowledged it was the only stream i got zero information out of so can i just say that's brilliant of you very funny funny. Very funny outcome. But what the fuck is Jack doing that he can't promote our show? God, get your head out of the hole, dumbass. Promote the show. The audience is asking you questions about it. So, Andrew, I don't stream. What did you do research for me?

I didn't really have to do anything for you because we spend so much time making the podcast. Yeah, I kind of know you and I know your familiarity with Survivor. I didn't really have a lot of questions. And you was sort of reverse meg stream as well i did watch yeah i watched meg's first stream she very briefly mentioned it but i sort of through you had a familiarity of her knowledge of the game as a whole so i didn't have i wanted to work with meg going into it i didn't think that you and i would be on the same team yeah i didn't either you know uh little uh little sausage uh we actually asked Meg to be in season one but she was like I don't really play Minecraft I don't know much about it

so she kind of gave us a soft no and then luckily we were able to get her in season two and I'm so glad we did but initially she she would have would have appeared in season one I'm glad it worked out the way it did because the Gavin Andrew Meg dynamic turned out to be that's crazy she doesn't play Minecraft so she doesn't hey andrew you you played minecraft you play with the controller on the pc i heard um that you played windowed the whole time yeah so that was post after everything was over like literally we filmed the last thing that evening i was once again making spreadsheets instead of playing the game well this was because i don't use the PC all that often,

and we're constantly clicking into Audacity and OBS and all these things, and I didn't know how to go full screen and out of it easily. I was so worried about screwing something up, so I just thought, oh, I'll just have it be small, and I can just click around everything. Never did he think to ask for Google. We had a control room with like 12 people in it. You know what?

This was honestly the worst thing was. So the first day of filming, I went to the tech test. So I was like, I'm fucking good. I followed their document. I did the prep. I'm just waiting. And we're waiting for, I think, Gavin, Megan, Michael to get their computer set up or whatever. So we're just there.

We're hanging out. And I thought, oh, it'd be a funny thing if i punched the bedrock and then got stuck and like people at that i was just gonna do like goofy little bit thing and so i punch all the way down the bedrock and then i'm coming up and i can faintly hear people because we have proximity chat on and everybody who is at the tech test all of their shit is broken nobody Nobody knows how anything works. Like everyone needs help. And I'm stuck in this hole. And I'm like, help. Help. Did someone help me?

I didn't know who to ping. And nobody could hear me because of the proximity. I had to punch my way from bedrock all the way back to the surface to get help. Here's what I think is fuck. Extra befuddling. Here's some more sausage for you. Yeah. I, you know, I executive produced this show. Here's what's extra befuddling. Here's some more sausage for you. Yeah.

I, you know, I executive produced this show. And so I'm on the back end, the behind the scenes stuff doing it. Andrew was a goddamn menace to me and Will and Trevor. Will's the director and then Trevor's, you know, actor producer. He's player coach, host coach. Andrew would come to us and say like, hey, I have a question.

And there'd be like a month before we do the show. And he's like, if I find a totem in the wild, can I take it and then break the chest and hide it so nobody knows that there was ever a totem there? And I'm like, oh, fuck, I don't know. So then I got to stop down, and then I got to go have a meeting with Will and Trevor to figure out, is Andrew breaking the game? And if so, can we allow it or not? He did that five or six times, like with ludicrous questions.

We'd have to go like, no, you absolutely can't do that. Or yes, you can. But so once again, the lines of communication with the producers of the show were wide open he was asking verbose questions at no point did he say also it's windowed so many opportunities to ask to get to solutions i didn't realize the windowed was an issue until i went full screen because i'd never done it i had nothing to compare it to once i went full freaking spreadsheet was full screen. So I went back into the world

and I redid the final challenge. And you know those like the ladder jumps? I don't know. Did you get to the ladder jumps, Gavin? No, I was just sucking too much at the platforming bit. That took me the longest to do. I did it on my first try.

When it was full screen. When it was full screen. When it was full screen, I did first try. And that could also just be a nod in the pressure moment of it because it was an exhausting process to be part of. But yeah. Now, a window, I'd love the opportunity to play again at some point in the future. And to play

with a full screen, I think really just immediately changes the game for me. Well, if we ever do a winners at war, you'll obviously be there. Andrew had a rough start in our game of Survivor. Oh, really?

I had a terrible... Oh, you don't know about this, do you? Oh, no, I don't know about this at all. Before we get any further, was that it to your prep or was there more? Okay, so I did the spreadsheets. I listed everything.

I learned Lexi and Blizz were close. I learned that FUYA... Oh, I learned that they do like a Saturday Among Us stream, apparently, like FUYA and Lexi are in that. Blizz is sometimes in that. So really, I viewed like the sort of core alliance that I had to deal with. My assumption going in would be like Michael, FUYA, Lexi, Blizz.

And then Blaine was sort of complicating in that because he's part of squad team force, which Blizz is part of. So there are some some factors. I think that was the main prep I did. Yeah. Spreadsheets, streams. I watched the show. So in the show, when you watch it, I'll ask questions at various points of like, oh, how does this work within the game we're playing?

I knew like every time I asked those, I already knew the answer to those questions. I just wanted to appear. Yeah. What I've learned is that Andrew is playing dumb the entire game. Every single question he asked those I already knew the answer to those questions I just wanted to appear yeah what I've learned is that Andrew was playing dumb the entire game every single question he asked he already knew the answer to is that true yeah absolutely anytime I asked a game question about like the structure I had watched the show already two times I was familiar with it I just didn't want them to know that there's a point in the first episode I don't know if it because we reshot something I don't know if it's there but they asked like yeah who's seen it before and i said nope and i'd absolutely seen it yeah we should i would ask questions on occasion we're recording this before the show is edited right yeah we haven't seen the show it's not come out

it's not even finished yeah we've i've i've seen through episode three right so uh which by the way episode three was fucking phenomenal the funny thing about this too is like you guys are on the red team all the action is going on on the blue team so you guys are are are not as represented until a little bit later in the show you get a lot of screen time when you win every challenge yeah success success means you you get to leave early uh in this show You film a lot less, too, because often on the first episode, if you won the first challenge,

they wouldn't need you for that segment, and that would lead into a lunch break. So you'd have a larger window of availability of just doing whatever you wanted. And that's just a function of just time and money, honestly. We would love to have filmed more on both sides, but we have to be so efficient with how we do it we're also super behind yeah and maintain the integrity of what we're doing like andrew briefly he said we refilmed something i would like to

point out we didn't refilm important shit what no when we refilmed something it was like the introduction to like everybody come up on here and so i can say hello and be like man i was a little stilted so try that again but but anything uh like the integrity of the competition was secure and in place the entire time yeah uh we didn't refilm any of that stuff i was never a part of any redoing anything that was like an actual reaction to anything that's part of the stress on the on the and the back end is we are constantly uh presented with problems that we have to solve in the moment while not having it affect what you guys are doing in the game. And that's some of the best problem solving I've ever been to

because it's like really high stakes and really stressful, but really fun. And it really makes you be creative. But getting into it, Andrew, you started off on a lame foot, I would say. On a bad ankle. What I would say on a bad ankle what do you so I went in and I so my perception going in was

I felt like I would maybe have a similar to Matt Bragg trajectory where I'm pretty good at games I'm familiar with Minecraft it would make sense to keep me around initially because I have value and challenges and then try to get me out before the merge because you don't want me to win individual immunity. That's sort of what I plan going in.

We go to the first challenge and the first challenge is like a kind of simple setup where there are chests in this jungle area. You have to run out, grab a piece, run back, and then you just rotate. There's 12 or 11 pieces. And so we ordered a structure there's also a totem hidden in there so you don't want to take too long unless you're actually looking for it so we're going through i'm the second to last to go we have a pretty big lead at this point i think i'm getting the 11th piece i go in and i do look for a totem i don't know if you did you try to find a totem at all gava when you're doing your runs? Not for a single second. Do you guys know what the totem was?

I don't want any eyes on me. My guess was that the totem was in the trees. The totem was on the little island. I think a couple people walked over it. Are you serious? Yeah, I think you specifically walked over it, Andrew. I, oh no, because I literally, so I'm doing my second run, and I'm looking, and I'm like, okay,

so the totem probably has to be in a place that won't be accidentally found and there's this little island in the middle that was really inaccessible to get to and visible to to people I climb it was I was one of the a few people climbed up or was I the only one that went to this island uh I honestly don't remember I just remember that we laughed a lot because you kept walking over it like being right around it yeah was it buried or was it just in a normal chest I don't remember I'm so excited to see this anyway I don't remember

I go on the island and I look for a minute for it and I couldn't find it and I was like I guess it's not here I would think it would be here so then I left and I felt like oh it took me longer to get onto that island than I wanted to I find a piece and then I'm running back and there's kind of a long tunnel

and with proximity, I had just gotten into range and while I'm getting there, I'm like, oh, I don't have the piece in my hand. This is weird. And I opened my inventory and I don't have the piece in my inventory either. I no longer,

because I was having an issue because the buttons were flipped from console to PC where grab and close were different. So I don't know if i didn't grab the piece out of the box that i found or if i had dropped the piece but so i'm at the entrance so my team could see me and i turn around and i could just hear jack yell he's turning around and i was just saw him come up through the trees and just he started like looking down like he'd

actually like lost his keys is what it looked like and then he just pissed off straight back in. He's like, I'll be right back. And it's amazing because you can't trust Andrew. You can't trust anything he says or does. I just imagined that it was Andrew running around going, oh no, oh no, oh no. That was

internally my thing. I was like, oh no, what did I do? I was asking, nobody was willing to respond at that time of if I dropped it or if I didn't sir So I was just going through and I found another chest with a piece So I grabbed that piece and I run back and then as soon as I'm back Blaine goes who's the last person? He's out of range and then production confirms that I grabbed the piece and I just threw it in the job I just threw the piece in the fucking thing. So Blaine now has to run in and find one that's just out on the floor somewhere.

That's why I'd heard about this. Blaine told me about this and he's like, fucking Andrew. What the fuck? And the whole time Blaine was gone, Andrew was just like, oh, I'm so sorry. Like properly freaking out about it i was so genuinely defeated i've been watching survivor since season one when i was six years old i've wanted to play a game like this for 20 years and i dropped the fucking piece it was so like there was no spin zone for if we lost and why i shouldn't go it was like oh i've dreamed of doing this for so long and I've immediately crushed that

dream. Let me ask at this point, like let's say red team loses or fire team loses and you guys have to go to the chopping block. Are you fucked or do you have an alliance that you're comfortable with or you feel safe within this moment? I tried to make an alliance with Gavin before the challenge began and he didn't want to do that.

I didn't feel super secure. But I mean, at that point, I was just listening to people. I didn't want to make any like false agreements at that point, which is so funny because the reverse of how people think I was 100% loyal to Gavin from the beginning. I don't think I trusted you at any point.

Your testimonials, Gavin, are so funny, by the way, they would have these sincere moments and it would cut to Gavin's testimonial. And he'd be like, yeah, I'm funny, by the way. They would have these sincere moments and it would cut to Gavin's testimonial and he'd be like, yeah, I'm just biding my time

until we vote Jack out. It's fucking great. He was so evil. I just wanted to, in all of my interviews, not seem like I was just being taken for a ride. Yeah.

So I'd be like, well, I trust this person, blah, blah, blah. And I would just finish off with like, but I don't really trust them and they're going to stab me in the back. Like I couldn't commit to any, I trust this person, blah, blah, blah. And I would just finish off with like, but I don't really trust them and they're going to stab me in the back. Like I couldn't commit to any, I was so paranoid the entire game. So you're, so if red team,

sorry, if fire team loses this challenge, you're first person voted out. I think it's very possible. After this vote though, I think it becomes complicated. I think the first one I could see myself going, but any other tribal or chopping block, I think the first one, I could see myself going, but any other tribal or chopping block,

I think could have gone differently because Gavin and I had an alliance that I feel confident in. I don't, like it would be in your best interest, Gavin, to keep me around. I don't know why you would go against me

at that stage. So it'd come down to Jack and Blaine. So what point do you have your alliance then? Is it after the first challenge? After the first one, yeah. At the beginning of episode two, Gavin felt comfortable. I think he reached,

I think you're the one that initiated that talk. I was like, yeah, absolutely. I want to do this. Yeah. I want to stay loyal to you. I trust you. I think what I expected, I expected to hear more about alliances in episode one

and got nothing from Jack. No one else would talk to me. And I just listened to you as well. And I was like, by episode two, I was so paranoid that I hadn't had an actual alliance session. I was like, I'm in the worst spot ever. I didn't have anyone. So we made that alliance. And then we went exploring for a totem.

And I found a totem with Lexi and Blizz. Like, we were all searching the same area. We were on top of each other. And Lexi found it. And then we all just broke off. I don't know if they had a talk, but I broke off. like we were all searching the same area we're on top of each other and lexi found it and then we all just broke off i don't know if they had to talk but i broke off because it was like i i'm not i ideally want blizz and lexi to go they're going against me so then i actually don't know if they were going lexi said she would vote she would have voted me out so i guess they were but um

that was an awesome i was scamming that moment i was i was helping out as a camera lexi and blizz were in the middle of having a conversation and you interrupted it and they didn't know how much you'd heard and they were kind of freaking out and it was fucking awesome to watch and you i don't think ultimately heard anything but they were having some pretty significant plans and then that right right there's that moment where then lei finds the totem I believe too like right in that yes sequence yeah yeah you you scared the shit out of them I didn't hear a single thing but I already knew they were together so like it didn't matter like I already had that assumption that they were going to be close and that that'd be a bond that'd be difficult to break it was mainly that's why I did the research because I

didn't want to go to not knowing blizz or lexi I didn't want to go to lexi and say hey I'm thinking we get rid of blizz because she'd immediately tell him and then I'm the target so that's why like knowing the relationships was important I think if I remember correctly the conversation they were having is they were forming like a like a queer alliance and then uh they were asking if blame if they should include blame in an alliance and like if he was trustworthy or not. And then you walked up right in the middle of it and they're like, uh...

You're like, hey guys, I was just walking around looking for stuff. And they're like, okay. Alright. It was very funny. So then that happened and we go back to the camp and Jack says, did you guys find anything? And I immediately said no. I didn't find anything, which wasn't a lie.

I didn't find it. And then Blizz said, no, I didn't find anything either. And at that moment, I thought, fucking awesome. I just need a moment to Jack to be like, Lexi has an idol. Blizz is lying to you. And that never was something that had to come up. But that was just I was so giddy for like if I needed to being able to say hey Jack that this is what's going on Lexi is an idol they're hiding it

from you I'm telling you this I want to work with you so I think if we would have had to go episode 2 or past that it would have been they would have targeted me I would have tried to target Lexi under let's blindside them with their idol and it would come down to Blaine and Jack hey Gavin have

you did you have any kind of strategy like this or is this so fucking alien to you that it's like sounding like gobbledygook or what uh i was so out of it in terms of like what i thought everyone was doing the only person i'd really had a real alliance conversation with was andrew so all i thought i should do was test how real my alliances with with Andrew. So I just followed him across the map for like 20 minutes. I was sneaking behind him. Okay. That's another great moment. I was camming.

I think I was camming Andrew and then Gavin shows up and Andrew is perfect timing too. This is around episode two or three, I think. It was pretty early. Andrew finds this like structure, this like halo looking structure that's like built over a lava flow or something yeah and it's wild and it's like massive and he walks right up to it and and gavin's just following him the whole way and i was close enough to hear him because he was talking to himself a little bit and i saw yeah i saw this thing pop into my draw distance i was like jesus christ the size of this thing and andrew didn't react he was just like returning to a place he'd clearly already been.

So all of my trust for Andrew was like, uh-oh. Gavin walks right up to Andrew and he's like, what are you doing? And Andrew's like, uh. Andrew's totally on his heels at this point. And nothing has happened. And Gavin is instantly in that moment convinced he had just found a totem. And he's just like, where's the totem? Show it to me.

What are you guys doing? And Andrew's like, I swear, I don't know. And Gavin is not buying it. And it is a really funny standoff between you two. And at this point, I'm like, I have no one in this game.

I have no one. I regret it so much because Gavin and I kind of did this funny bit where we're climbing to what was a cloud and was pointless. Like, we spent so much time

reaching this thing. Yeah, he's like, what was it? It was an artifact left over in a copy and paste that they didn't know. Like, we spent so much time reaching this thing. Yeah, it's like... What was it? It was an artifact left over in a copy and paste that they didn't know. Oh, okay. That's what it was.

You guys thought it was a spaceship or something? It was like a black blob that was way up in the sky. You guys spent an entire day funneling it. We just let you guys go. I think they're going to cut

and release that as supplemental for the thing because it's a really funny little adventure you guys go on. I wasted so much time looking for totems and stuff that after the thing ended i checked with trevor i was like hey was there anything at this thing he's like oh no that was some shit left over from season one or like oh no that was like a glitch we didn't clear that up i was like great that's fantastic yeah you guys wasted a lot of time but you generated a lot of comedy wherever

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He ran away from me in a hole or something. Yeah, I was like, you dig into this hole, I'll watch. You figure it out and then I just left. What? You dig into this hole? What is this fucking Tom Sawyer? No, it was fun to paint

the fence. Are you kidding me? No, we were on a volcano and I think there was a hole, and he thought there may have been something in it. So I was like, yeah, you searched there, and then I just left was what happened. And I thought, oh, I can either just wait at camp. I'll keep it busy for 10 minutes. I think I immediately climbed out and fell.

Yeah, you were instantly behind me, and I just had no idea. So I was like, oh, I'll go check this thing, you were instantly behind me. And I just had no idea. So it's like, oh, go check this thing. I looked at very briefly before. And so I looked and there was nothing there once again. And I thought, well, maybe if I climb up higher. So I'm placing blocks. And as I place blocks to go up, I see Gavin crouching at the base of the stairs. And I thought, oh, no, this optically looks terrible.

You were like, Gavin. Yeah, I was shocked. I didn't expect to see you and i understood that it looked bad because i hadn't told you that i had found this place yet yeah and you were like where's the totem and i was i you knew that i had been there before based on my reaction i was like why would i go back to the place like if i found a totem here why would i decide to just be here why would i go back to this like it makes no sense for me to do that but while we were having that talk then blizz showed up and i was like what did what did blizz here because i told gavin in that moment that lexi had a totem i was like oh fuck does he know that i i said that and so then we all broke off and we're getting pulled for

interviews and blizz said, yeah, I heard, I heard you saying to Gavin about not having a totem. I was like, Oh, he definitely heard something. But what did he hear? Like the paranoia of not knowing the full things that they heard or didn't hear was,

was a lot. It was so stressful. I got to say this, the strength in a show like this to me is those moments where you guys had like a, a really uncomfortable three-way information standoff that like nobody felt good about. And everybody was trying to figure out who was suspect.

It was, it was, it was very, very, very funny and felt very real, which I guess a question I've been wondering for a while, because I'll never probably get to be in the show because I have to produce it.

And I know too much about it. How quickly does it become real? Like how, how invested in the show because I have to produce it and I know too much about it. How quickly does it become real? How invested in the show do you become? How quickly? I would say at the first challenge. Yeah, like immediately. Does it feel like Survivor? Does it feel like you're on the island? I hoped it would.

And even though there's no real incentive to winning, there's no million dollar prize, you still don't want to leave the game. Yeah, really. Yeah, absolutely. Did it, for sure. And I was playing like, I didn't really know how I played my game.

I was playing like in a really cutthroat kind of, like I don't think I've ever lied to Michael. I lied to Michael more in like three episodes of that game than I have the entire time I've known him. Honestly, I was just, I knew he didn't trust me. I knew he was going to get rid of me, so I just kept lying right to his face. I was like, this feels so weird.

Yeah, I don't know if it was ever said expressly out loud, but you got gav slitty very quickly. Yeah, I just felt like I had to go apeshit. I literally wrecked the entire game at one point. I'm excited for you guys to watch it because what Michael does for like the first four episodes

is really impressive and funny. Like the way he runs that blue team and because they go to the chopping block every fucking week. That's so funny. He told me about that. That's so funny. How he survives and how in your face he is about the whole thing and like invested and also like lays out fair about it.

It was really impressive. I was blown away at how naturally playing Survivor came to him. And he hasn't really watched it at all. He said he watched some YouTube compilations of Jeff Probst being sassy. He told me the same thing. He's like, I just want to see what Jeff Probst would do. So I just figured, kind of going with that.

The way he had two or three layers of contingency for every tribal I was at with him was just unbelievable. He'd like thought out every single thing. He was like lying to his own alliance in order to prevent me

from doing stuff in tribals. I was like, this guy gets Survivor. He just thinks Survivor. He's devious. Yeah. Andrew, did it feel like, we talked about like

how soon did it feel real, did it scratch the survivor itch for you, like where it's something you wanted to be on for 20 years? It was, so it was like a complicated thing because it was a very stressful game, and I kind of had this initial mindset going in of how the game would go, and it so didn't go as planned,

so I had a tough kind of readjustment period with my own game where i dropped the piece and the first challenge and so the other team we won that challenge the other team had to vote somebody out so the next challenge we're gonna have to bench somebody on our team and i knew at that moment that it would make sense for them to want to bench me and i thought if i get benched on the second challenge there is no reversing this perception that they'll have of me i'm just not being good at this game in any way so i had to lean into it so i got benched which was never a scenario i considered going in i thought there's no way that i'd be benched um and it completely shifted my game of trying to be as

under the radar as possible and seem as clueless to everything around me as I could be. Did you think, spoiler alert, that you would win? No, not at all. But that was like a weird self-confidence issue mixed with having a stressful week in my personal. I was so burnt out by the time we did the finale that I just didn't feel confident that I would get any votes at all.

It was shocking that I ended up winning the game. You had a strong jury, though. Even though I think I played a really good game. I think everyone just appreciated your enthusiasm for the game itself. It was like a nice, like sort of the nice guy won. I feel like that rarely happens in season one.

Yeah. In a weird way, though, where I didn't plan on being the nice guy at all. I was ready to lie and betray and backstab, and I was open to all those things, but it just didn't make sense for me to do that because Red won every single challenge. And that was a weird thing too.

Go ahead, Jack. I was going to say, you had the victory that Jack was gunning for that he had shot at. So yeah, how was that like? Because I left right after the merge, right? When I had to go off and deal with Millie's surgery. But you guys were killing it.

I think you won the first three or four challenges. I don't remember how many there were before the merge. Four? Yeah, we won four, I think. We won the first four. Then we did a tribe swap. And what's crazy is that I could have ended up on blue. Because what happened was everybody had to stand in front of a box. i i'd listened to i guess other prep i did i was listening to like people

that played survivor their podcast there's somebody who drew rocks and they specifically mentioned when they drew rocks that they said to jeff give me the one that the other people didn't want because they didn't want the weight of like oh i made this choice and i fucked it up like just letting other people make it for you so i was like i'm not gonna stand in front of any of these someone else can stand and i'll pick whatever one's left michael did the same thing oh no once like it came to pick a box there were two available and i was like well i'm not moving he's like i'm not moving and then he moved and he went 80 of of the way to one box, which would have put him on red team and me swapped to blue. And then he changed paths and he switched boxes.

Wow. So there is a very close time. Like the game, I think, would have completely shift if he just stayed with that one box, if I would have had to go blue. There's so many, as much prep as I did, you need a tremendous amount of luck to win. It's so fascinating looking at all the lucky breaks that are required along the way

to get to the end. It was an interesting jury for sure like I feel like it felt like a jury from an early season of Survivor where it was more about just like how nicely you played like Meg didn't get votes from people on her original tribe because she was involved

in voting them out and I feel like in Survivor now you get a lot of people who are like well you played a game i can you know you played a good game of survivor even though you voted me out so you get my vote and i feel like that didn't really happen for for meg on this jury it was a weird thing we're going in as i talked about of having these kind of planned alliances i really wanted to be in an alliance with Blessing, Lindsay, and John. And they were the first three people voted out. So it was a funny thing where even though the team I was on was winning,

the people that I felt I needed for numbers kept going home. So it was not at all helpful to my vision of how the game was going to go. It was like I was still losing. So when you do the tribe swap, who was on your team then blizz blaine meg and myself so you really just lost jack yeah jack got flipped and then gavin

was in no man's land oh right he was gonna join you got the gray cap or whatever yeah what did that mean i just meant that i missed the challenge yeah so the way it works is we had an uneven number of people. So we split into the two groups. One person drew like the gray rock, which means they don't have a team. We sent him to exile essentially. Then they, then they had their competition and then the losing team had to vote one of

their players out. And then Gavin replaced the person. Oh, I like that. Yeah, that's cool. But I also got a extra vote. Yeah. He got a then Gavin replaced the person. Oh, I like that. That's cool. But I also got a extra vote

from that island that I could use. Oh, that's cool. Oh, I like that. There's usually a benefit to going and getting exiled. Yeah. Even though you end up missing a conversation and missing a challenge. You miss the social game and you miss the planning and so you come in blind and behind the curve on that. But if you're smart, you come in

with some sort of an advantage and you're guaranteed you don't get voted out one episode i left red team and i came back to a blue team where jack was a broken man jack literally just went off on his own and built a little hut and sat in it oh i heard about that there's an there's another funny thing uh that uh that happened where uh on that blue team at the end when jack is clamoring to find uh a totem because he knows it's the only way he'll stay and then i think michael at some point is doing the same thing and we had put the totem like on the blue base they had built above it like this tall blue uh like a blue wool it ended up looking like a sword but it was like a cross almost and very early on we were like after they built it we were like oh

fuck it let's just uh let's just put it put a totem up there and there was a totem up there for like half the game that nobody ever bothered to go up and look for it was visible i did so many shots of people i don't know if they'll make it It was visible. I did so many shots of people. I don't know if they'll make it in the episode, but I had so many shots from the totem looking down at them having conversations about where the totem would be. Awesome.

Yeah. That's great. It was above them the entire time. That's so good. If Jack had just, and there was a ladder, and at some point the ladder got broken, so I went and fixed it

to make sure people could easily get up there. Wow. And Jack is literally running around going I got some fuck I don't know what I told him he made his own little house to the side

next to it and he's like if anybody had looked up they could have seen wow yeah it was wild that's crazy I don't think

I don't think any I don't think any contestant at this point knows that except for you two I think you're the first two people that know that now well I saw Michael find it did he find it up there?

yeah oh I left so I didn't know if anybody ever found it I think the're the first two people that know that now. Well, I saw Michael find it. Did he find it up there? Yeah. Oh, I left, so I didn't know if anybody ever found it. I think the next morning, post-Jack, he wanted to jump off the top of it. So he found it. He found it. I didn't know it ever got found. Yeah. Okay, great.

Yeah. And he straight up just showed it to me. He was like, hey, look what I found. It's another one. He was just finding it. They were just landing on his head. Yeah, and that's partially where I have blind spots now

because I had to leave right after the merge, I guess. And then so I don't really, I know who won, but I don't know what happened in the game from that point on. So, or not merge, I'm sorry, the tribe swap.

Gavin, from the point of merge, made some great decisions and explained them worse than anybody could possibly imagine and then also withheld information in a baffling way to me like i don't understand your logic for certain certain things so like we we eventually merge and as soon as we merge immediately its original red team breaks away from original blue team like there's just an instant divide the teams are still set there's a line in the sand even though we've now merged and gavin tells us immediately that michael has a totem but what he didn't share because the question becomes okay

do you vote out michael and assume that he would play the totem for somebody else because he knows that we know that he he has it so why would we vote him if we know he has it because he knows that we know that he has it. So why would we vote him if we know he has it? Because he could negate all our votes. So we should target somebody else. But if he knows that, then it would make sense for him to play it. So it's this whole line of thinking of, do we target Michael under the assumption

he doesn't play it for himself? Or do we vote out Fuya, who is clearly part of his alliance and doesn't have a totem? But if he plays it for her, then everything could backfire. Michael told Gavin that I am only playing the totem for myself at every single thing and you did not share that information did i know that that's what michael said maybe you didn't it would be a weird lie for him to make he said that i told you and fuya that i would never play it for

anybody but myself oh uh i don't remember that i also might have it for anybody but myself. I don't remember that. I also might have just dismissed it as a lie. I don't know. I didn't really feel like valid. I feel like information from Michael in that game didn't really feel like trustworthy info. Who is there when you guys merge? It's like you two, it's Meg, it's Michael, FUYA,

I think Blizz. So it's on a red team of the original red, it is Blaine, Gavin, Blizz, myself. And of the original blue, it is Meg, Fuya, and Michael. So who goes next? It's a 4-3. It is a close vote, and Fuya goes next. They put two on me, and we put three on Fuya, and Gavin voted Michael.

Because we talked about briefly, do we put votes on Michael or FUYA and then we kind of decided on FUYA but we didn't really have time to lock it in and everybody scrambled to try to find a totem because there's a new beach so we assumed that there'd be another totem we didn't solidify honestly the the vote for FUYA happened in the voting booth when we were being told how the game works. We were 80%, or at least I was confident in voting FUYA. I didn't know who other people were voting for until

we were in that scenario, just because there wasn't time to talk. I went away from that discussion that we had before, thinking that a bunch of people were voting Michael. So I went with that, and then no one else did, so I was like, uh-oh. No one's trusting me with the real information. And then I tried to talk to Blizz and be like, so I noticed I'm the only one that voted for Michael there.

Like, was that some sort of loyalty test? And Blizz was like, yeah, whatever, maybe. And I was like, oh, I'm screwed. Blizz is also very, very smart. Yeah. So I just felt like I was on my own from that point. And to be fair, maybe I'm misremembering it, but I feel like the conversation

we had was very clearly Michael or Fouya, but Michael has a totem. You're like, Michael has a totem. I just thought we were going to split votes. I thought it was going to be more of an even split. But we couldn't split vote because there's two each if we split and there's three of them. So it makes sense to split. At this point, I can't remember the conversation well enough but i think in my head i thought i

would see one more michael vote so that that happened i thought i was going to go home for sure once i had two votes i narrowly escaped that but from that point on i don't think there was ever any reason to take me out because blizz was such an established threat michael was an established threat and gavin shook the game up with his extra vote in a way that literally everybody was annoyed at him except the person who he said he wanted out they survived he wanted to take michael out apparently so explain he's the only one that was happy so you had your extra vote and there's something about this that you don't know so we we were talking and you brought up and I put the pieces together later. What if there's an extra vote advantage?

You said that to me in conversation before that vote because you said because there have been steal of votes. So it makes sense if it went the other way. And I said, yeah, I don't like I don't know if that's the case or not. And if it is like that's just sort of a dice roll, I guess that I'll, I'm, I'm happy with like, we got to, we got to split. I think we're splitting at that point.

I don't remember exactly, but essentially you brought up a thing and I kind of discarded it because it's like, if I get burnt or if we get burnt by that, there's only so much you can prepare for. You then use that to take out Blaine. And I had this moment where once we came back to the beach, you, we were going to split votes on Michael and Meg.

And then if Michael didn't have a totem, we'd re-vote and vote out Michael. We came back to our camp, and you and Meg went away to have a conversation. You're talking about before? Before, yeah, before. So we've locked in that we're going to split votes, the four remaining red people.

And Gavin goes back, and he goes to leave with Meg to fill her in on information, which I was okay with. You didn't see that I was there. Then you circle back. You're like, hey, do you want to have this talk? I said, no, it's fine.

You guys go. I'll just stay here. I then realized, no, I really want to be in this talk because you're going to tell her, and then she's going to want to change the vote, and I need to be there so it's not me so i spent the entire time from you leaving trying to track you both down

just riding around in a boat trying to hear you we just pissed off into the sea on a boat it took us so long to get away that we only managed to have like a 60 second conversation before we had to go oh my god and it was at that point where i was trying to explain to meg that i had an extra vote and that i was basically talking trying to not say everything because i didn't have time to say all the stuff but i was like there is a possibility where i'm going home if they're not telling me the right information so i thought is that like how we'll guarantee that i don't go home and it involves just like flicking someone else out of the game with two votes and and meg will be the third vote they ended up just choosing blaine so the problem was the problem was nobody was targeting

and nobody was targeting me at all and also that annoyed meg later because i also didn't tell meg that she was the other part of the other half of the split vote on Michael she's like you didn't tell me and in my head I was like well it's irrelevant though because we're getting rid of we're guaranteeing that Blaine is going so I was like it doesn't really matter who the vote split was but I was like and also I didn't really have time I had like I was literally running out of seconds to talk to her that the fact that I didn't get to that part or like didn't tell her that part meant that everyone in the game turned against me and even meg so i was like there was a point in the in the post chopping block where i just walked into the house

past everyone and just got into a bed and they were like no and i stood up i had everyone like brave are you serious yeah and blaine was gone and everyone was like, why did you do that? And I was like, well, it's more like a self-preservative move. It was like that and I equated it

to that meme in Fallout where it just says everyone disliked that. I literally turned every single person in the game against me. I protected the person I wanted out

and I just destroyed every alliance and I basically ended my chance of winning in that moment. How did you survive past that? Well, because there's no reason to vote Gavin out. Because there's no way he's winning at this point. Yeah, I don't mean that rudely, but it actually, like,

if you'd have owned that move, I think that's one of the best moves of the season because I'm assuming you wanted to. Are you saying I didn't own the move? No, you described it really, I think there's a way you could have owned that move i think that's one of the best moves of the season because i'm assuming you wanted to own the move no you described it really i think there's a way you could have phrased it where it would have been more logical from my perspective at least i'm assuming you wanted to take meg to the end right like you wanted megan the end with you i did not want that and you created the only way i think in which that would have happened my final three was Yumi and Blaine so I wanted to take out what

I wanted to be loyal to Red and I felt like everybody else had a more convincing argument for winning in the end I thought my best chances were against you two I felt like my choice I wanted Michael out and I wanted Blizz out and I knew that they Blizz had a totem and I thought Michael did

so i ended up and i think in my interview i said i i just like flicked blaine out of the game like he was a crumb like that's how much thought was behind it i felt really bad about doing that but andrew you were looking at blaine essentially being a goat yeah well not like it's just that's like a negative word i don't think he played poorly at all it's just the other people were more threatening to me in my view of how they were playing. So in my head, the merge went like all the votes were exactly how I wanted until that one.

I wanted Fouya out. And then at that point, I wanted to take out either Michael or Meg, ideally Michael. Then after that, take out whoever was remaining of those two and then Blizz at some point had to be taken out. But by you getting rid of blaine you completely flipped that you created a scenario in which it didn't make any sense to target meg you ensured that she would make it to the end and you unified the three of us because

blizz and michael were so clearly threats like from the final five onward i had zero anxiety really about me being the turn. I felt so comfortable. Especially going into the final one. It definitely felt like a miss for me because I didn't... Like, it was a wasted vote as well. Like, it was a waste of the extra vote. And also, it turned everyone against me. But, I mean,

in... Overall, it was a guarantee that I made it one extra chopping block. Not just an extra chopping block. You just an extra chopping block. You guaranteed, essentially, that you and Meg would be in the final. Because everybody, Blizz was focused on Michael, and then Blizz

was obviously the biggest target outside of Michael. There's no reason to even consider voting you or Meg out. Or myself. I was in the same boat. So, like, I think it's a great move, what you did. You just described it in camp that you wanted Michael gone, and it didn't go the way you wanted. Like, I think if you would have. So like, I think it's a great move what you did. You just described it in camp that you wanted Michael gone and it didn't go the way you want. Like, I think if you

would have just been like, I wanted to make it to the end with Meg and this solidified that because now we're clearly just going to target Michael. Yeah, I guess I should have talked about more about the positives instead of just being like oops. So what you're saying is Gavin had a really smart brain and a really dumb mouth?

I guess, yeah. yeah wow i didn't see that coming there was a lot of thought and calculation that went into the move i really didn't know how to handle six people screaming at me on discord at the same time i can't wait to watch it was honestly like i didn't even know where to start i was like all right okay no but no but listen but and it was like oh you're. Oh man. So one of the things that, uh, was another thing that was happening kind of behind the scenes that I thought was fascinating is, uh, you know, I have personal relationships with all these people. And so I'm talking to them, I'm communicating with them, but I'm also producing the show. So there has to be a line. I can't give them any

clues. I don't want to any appearance of impropriety. But Andrew was doing this thing that was blowing us all away, where he was telling me he would come to me after the first episode, and he'd go like, okay, I've consulted my spreadsheets, and I'm 95% sure that they voted out Blessing first. And I would go, okay, interesting. And then I would go to the guys and I go, he fucking guessed it.

Andrew correctly guessed. I want to say the first four people going home. No way. Yeah. And he would just report to me at the end of every day. He'd be like, uh, my guest today is this person went home and he was right over and over and over again.

It was, it was like, it was bizarre. And we were all like Trevor and Will and I were all in awe. He was basically running simulations, but just by looking at a spreadsheet. Yeah, he was.

And he was right. All of his prep work really paid off. It's just Survivor is like an information and social game. And there's so much paranoia in it. It just makes sense to cling to relationships you've already formed. Yeah. So just knowing who to talk to and when to talk about things. And that was another kind of difficult part of the game that if i played again i would play a lot more openly because i felt like i had

to conceal information i'd have brief moments of strategy talk where i'd like pipe in and say like we should split the votes here like i'd be very clear in those moments but outside of that i didn't want anyone to know that i watched survivoror at all outside of like Gavin already knew. But just as little information that they assumed I knew about the game or series as a whole was just valuable to me. You played dumb so well. I just wanted to continue. It's very natural to me.

You play dumb and Gavin says dumb. So you guys get rid of Blaine and then Michael's next. And then after that, you target Blizz. Is that correct? Yes. That's when challenges get became really important. Yeah. Cause if blizz wins,

you guys are fucked. So that was, yeah, the weird, my favorite. So like first season to survivor, Richard hatch does this amazing move where it's the final three and whoever wins gets to take one person with them.

And he just sits out the challenge like openly. He sits it out and is like well i i don't even need to play because it's in the best interest of both people playing to take me they will if they win they will lose against them if they win they will lose against them i'm going to the end i don't need to participate in this and that is how i felt going into the final challenge outside of the fact we needed to make sure blizz didn't win anyone else but bliss who won that final challenge i won the final challenge needed to make sure blizz didn't win anyone else but bliss who won that final challenge i won the final challenge with an assist from meg which i predict people

will not be happy about oh really because i was i figured i did all so this is so stupid and the challenge before it was an escape room and you could ask for clues from trevor and you can negotiate those clues for how long you'd have to sit out of the next challenge so you'd have a time penalty applied to you if you made it to the next round I took one at the end of the challenge I was really stuck on this escape room because I was windowed that was the challenge that I think impacted me most not being full screen I couldn't see a thing as impossible to see in the tiny screen probably the most important challenge to be able to see in that one yeah it was so i i decide fuck it i'm gonna take a penalty i agree with trevor to take a minute 15 i'll start a minute 15 later than everybody else on the final challenge as soon as

we lock in the deal gavin wince like within a second i didn't even get a chance to use the clue that was given to me it was instant i was so annoyed so i overcome something in the final challenge but between just being so burnt out personally and game stuff that i had this riddle that was not complicated i just couldn't think of a single thing and so then blizz asked what's the riddle i can help you and I didn't want to give it to him because I felt extremely guilty if I would have won with his assistance and then voted him out. So then he I waited until he was out of range and then Meg said, what's the riddle? And then I read her the riddle and she immediately sent it to me, which I thought about it.

But we all thought that was the answer to the riddle in the first season. But it was one of the guesses in the first season. So it was something I thought of, but I don't think I would have put it together at that point. And I don't know how close Blizz was to being able to get to the riddle portion. So I ended up winning the final challenge, and it became a point of, do I want to... Blizz was so likable, even though I'd been targeting him the entire game it felt difficult to get rid of them and I compared it a lot to the

season of Survivor that Tony won with Wu where Wu wins and he can either take Cass who nobody likes or Tony who is by far the favorite and on paper it's so obvious to just get rid of Tony but it's difficult it's an interesting position

to be in it's a lot harder in that moment because you you like these people um but yeah we ultimately got rid of Blizz and then that solidified a final three of Gavin, Meg and I. So then you guys have to make your case how Gavin like you go into the final three and you make your case what do you feel like you make a strong case what is your case do you think you have a shot at winning at this point or have you? I feel like I felt like I case? What is your case? Do you think you have a shot at winning at this point? I felt like I'd done quite a lot. One of the reasons I pulled the trigger on using the extra vote and all that stuff is that I really don't want to go home without using it.

And I also felt like I hadn't actually done that much in terms of let's put a mark on the game that was my fault. So it felt like a good move from that regard. But because it pissed everyone off, my big selling point of how I played the game and what I'd done was Which is annoying everyone really so I was pretty I was surprised I got one vote honestly in the who voted for you Dino Jack

I was very surprised to see my face up there once Even though even though I feel like I'd done quite a lot of stuff in the game at that point. I felt like I'd done some good work. I'd won a few challenges. Yeah, you'd survived exiles. I'd had to adapt to a bunch of different situations, mostly from my own wake,

like from the fallout from my own moves. But, yeah. Dude, Jack being your one vote is so funny. So, Andrew, do you think at this point going in you have a shot at winning who do you think like do you think you're gonna win or do you think it's gonna be gavin or meg as it was a weird thing where i think now that i've had some time away from it and to like look back on it i think i definitely deserved the win i think i played pretty well but i didn't think i'd be able to sell it because so much of the good moves i made were the choices i didn't do like not overplaying at camp limiting my conversations not being overly strategic with people like just kind of being chill and relaxed

and not making myself a threat in any way and i felt like that was a really hard selling point to people that didn't see the game at all to just say, hey, the best things I did was nothing, essentially. Was having the knowledge of things I could do but not overplaying. Right. I think I was surprised at the amount that the butt-hurtness of what happened to those individuals lingered into the jury.

Oh, yeah. Because that's what I feel like doesn't really happen that much now in Modern Survivor. That's why I feel like it was like a, it felt like a season 40 final three talking to like a season two jury is what i've equated okay yeah because like now in survivor just getting getting to the finals just means that you're you're gonna get endorsement deals you're gonna get to be on other seasons of survivor you're gonna get to be on the challenge

and other shows like you kind of have made it if you make it that far. You know what I mean? Like, your day job's probably over, and you get to now be the person who was on Survivor. Right. And that was definitely not the case early on. You were fucking, you wasted 50 days on an island. Okay.

Well, so then you win. I do win. To be honest, I don't think I, I think I could have sold myself a lot better because there's a lot of moves. I don't think the jury even realized that I found a totem. I don't think that came up at all in our conversations. So I think I could have... Oh, yeah, I didn't tell you.

I guess you don't know that. I found a totem on the fifth, the final five. Oh, okay. So I would say final five with the totem. I kind of wish, in retrospect, that I didn't play it because I knew I wasn't going to get votes, and i felt like that would have been a great jury move of showing that being like i didn't even need this i was so comfortable in my game um but yeah i found the totem then i safe at four um yeah i don't i don't know what i was going to say sorry i completely

yeah it's it's difficult to talk about i've always found it difficult to describe stuff i've done in like a positive way i'm really bad at that yeah like you just feel like weird and braggy and weird it's like it's much harder than it seems it is because i just as soon as i stood up there talking to people i just wanted to be over as soon as possible i was like how how long until i could stop talking exactly yeah I had the thought before we did the jury conversation there was like 5% of me that wished I had been voted out so I just didn't have to do that like the nerves of having to try to

positively explain your game and also be questioned by people is very anxious about that well I gotta say I'm really happy you won Andrew I'm happy by proxy face one. And I'm amazed that you two didn't stab each other in the back. I really thought that you guys would go at it early on.

100%. Yeah. 100%. I really thought that I was really, I mean, I'll be honest with you. I was trying to create paranoia. I was paranoid from beginning to end. To turn you guys against each other. Oh, 100%. I just couldn't make Andrew the one I flicked out of Faze. Oh, I was paranoid from beginning to end. To turn you guys against each other. Oh, 100%.

I just couldn't, like, I just couldn't make Andrew the one I flicked out of the game. Yeah. No, I get that. There was one betrayal and it was Gavin to me.

I didn't betray Gavin once. He didn't tell me about his extra vote and he did a move that, like, didn't give me any indication for it all. I don't think

that was a betrayal. I think that was just... No, well, you didn't... To me, the most frustrating... You hid things from me. The most frustrating thing people do in Surviv survivor is tell people about their advantages because it just leaks all around instantly it can but like that's the thing of like needing that trust because we're backstabbed you if the people were different i would have lost trust for you and i

was 100 loyal i would have told you everything i had outside of of a totem, I'd be on the fence about that. Hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on. Hang on. You just said that you would tell him everything you had and then immediately said, except for this thing I would not tell you about. Which is what Gavin did. That was the betrayal. No, no, no.

You need to understand. What you need to understand is that there's different levels of information and power with different items. An extra vote is not equivalent to the power of a totem. That's just fundamentally different in the game. They have a different value.

Look, I didn't play a good game. I played a very sloppy game. I would do a lot of things differently. I would have trusted you a lot more. I think you played a good game. I played an sloppy game. I would do a lot of things differently. I would have trusted you a lot more. I think you played a good game. I don't think you played sloppy. I played an okay game. I guaranteed myself in the final three, I had no chance of winning with that group.

It's a tough group. Like, you never know. That's the thing with playing the game as well, is like you can, the people you vote out will have to determine the winner. And no matter what you do, you never fully have a true read of what they're going to do. Like, all you can do is hope at that point.

And you did everything. You put yourself in a position to win, which is the best you can do. I'll take that. There you go. Well, I guess we should probably wrap up. This concludes the supplemental SBI post show for F*** Face that we promised the audience.

If you've made it this far and you're listening to me say this hopefully you've already seen survive block island meltdown uh otherwise we just spoiled the shit out of it however if you just listen to this and haven't watched sbi i still recommend doing it there's a lot of meat on that bone there's a lot of stuff that happens a lot of hilarity there's stuff that's a lot of stuff that happens. A lot of hilarity. There's stuff that none of us here in this room have seen. You missed some? I can't wait to watch it just to see

the stuff I didn't live. Yeah, I just want to see Blue. All the stuff that I saw was the stuff you guys haven't seen and vice versa. Most of my experience because all the losing was happening on Blue Team so in those early episodes the majority of the filming needs to be on the losing team. And so I got a lot of their camp life,

a lot of their competition, and much less of y'all. So when I watch it, I'll be seeing a lot of what you guys are describing for the first time. I'm really excited to watch Jack fall apart and build his own little hut to the side of everyone else.

Fucking awesome. I can't. I can't wait. At one point, I went over to his hut, and I just put up a sign saying, you're next. Just to mess with him. And he voted! He was the one vote for Jack! I was trying

to win some favor with Michael, so I just did that right in front of him. Jack does this thing, it's like in Minecraft lore, in AH Minecraft lore, when he gets mad, he's like, I'm gonna go build a house. Fuck it. I'm not playing, I'm taking my ball and going home. And he hit that right around that moment. It was really funny.

You gotta appreciate how nice Jack is and how honest Jack is, but I just feel like there's no room for that in Survivor. No, not at all. He's too pure for the game. I talked about in one of my confessionals that I trusted Jack because his whole brand is charity and being nice. So I just didn't see him going against that.

But I had no idea to what extent he was holding to like, I will never lie to anybody. Awesome. Awesome. OK, well, I guess I should probably wrap it up. Yep. Thanks for listening. You should listen to the regular episodes of this podcast, though. Yeah, absolutely.

And yeah, if you're an SBI fan who made your way over here to get a little bit more SBI content, check out F*** Face, the podcast. It's okay. There's more backstabbing, I would say, in episodes of F*** Face. Oh, yeah. Sometimes multiple knives in the back

per episode. Sometimes there's front stabbing, too. We don't wait for the back. Okay, well thanks for listening. Goodbye. Bye. Bye.