Rob Beckett and Josh Widdicombe's Parenting Hell - S02 EP36: An Apology...

Episode Date: May 25, 2021

ROB BECKETT & JOSH WIDDICOMBE'S 'LOCKDOWN PARENTING HELL'S02 EP36: An Apology...More misadventures in parenting and beyond...Enjoy. Rate and Review. Thanks - Rob and Josh xxx If you want to get in touch with the show here's how:EMAIL: [e-mail]: @lockdownparent INSTAGRAM: @lockdown_parentingA 'Keep It Light Media' Production Sales, advertising, and general enquiries: [e-mail] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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as me and josh had no idea only clean what is seen in brackets unless something has obviously made its way in there foreskins are fused to the glands until they are older they naturally detach as kids age forcefully retracted an infant's foreskin can cause scar tissue. I don't know why I'm laughing. Leave their dicks alone, people. Hello, I'm Josh Whitacombe. And I'm Rob Beckett.

Welcome to Lockdown Parenting Hell. The show in which Rob and I discuss what it's like to be a parent during lockdown, which I would say can be a little tricky. So, in an effort to make some kind of sense of the current situation... And to make me feel better about my increasingly terrible parenting skills... Each episode, we'll be chatting to a famous parent about how well they're coping. Or hopefully not. And we will be hearing from you, the listener, with your tales of lockdown parenting woe. Because let's be honest, none of us know what we're doing.

Hello, you are listening to Lockdown Parenting Hell with... Say Bob. Bob. Beckett. Say Beckett. Beckett. Say Josh. Josh. Where'd he go? Say Riddle. Say Riddle.

Look. Well done. Oh, wow. I like that, Josh. Yeah. That was a child teaching a child. Exactly. That was a recording of my four-year-old Thomas asking my one-year-old Benji to say your names.

Now I'm regretting asking him as he won't stop saying your names. Gemma from Brackley, not Broccoli, in North Hance. Brackley, North Hance. Also, it felt weird your name being whispered, almost like you were being dobbed in for something. It was Josh Whittaker. Shh, don't tell anyone.

It was Josh Whittaker that pulled back the baby's foreskin. We had a lot of messages about that. So I thought it would be better off just to address it early doors. Do not leave baby's foreskins alone. Clean them when they're older is basically the message. Yes, totally. Can I also just say one thing? Can I say thank you to Ian Sterling?

Because we've just got an email, Rob. Yeah. Four different stories have come from the fact that we talked to him. In the Metro, Mirror, Digital Spy, and a different one in the Metro. We're getting sort of mainstream press because of Ian and Laura's fame. I'll be honest with you. I'm not sure I would have done the interview if I was Ian Sterling, if I knew that everything I said was taken.

So thank you to him. I don't think he can't do anything without it being taken out of context. I'm not saying it was taken out of context, obviously, but you know. No, but anything you say is just sort of taken and reprinted if you're in the public eye. Bloody hell, Rob. I'm so glad that the press don't give a flying fuck about me and you. They really don't, do they?

They couldn't give a shit, mate. No, but it depends. When I did that BBC One show with Gerry Halliwell, they start to sniff around because Gerry gets the headlines. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. But no, I'm quite happy not to. I'm quite happy to be the Everton of television, Rob.

Do you know what I mean? Josh Willikham, the ever-present. He's been there, like Everton, and haven't been relegated, constantly there, underachieving. Constantly there, disappointing their fans, week in, week out. Constantly there, underachieving is unfair.

Constantly there, just not quite getting into Europe. Yeah, you know. I think that's unfair. I think you're an excellent broadcaster, Josh. Always been a fan of yours. Yeah, but you know, I'm happy being Everton and knowing that, you know, I'm sniffing around, but I'm never Claudia Winkleman.

Do you know what I mean? No. I think I've got potential to be a bit of Leeds United. Absolutely flying high. They've gone for a couple of years, but we'll crawl back out. I'll never be defeated. You might shake me off for a bit,

but I'll be sniffing around. I'll start pretending I like cooking and doing a cookery book or something. How are you, Rob? I'm good. I'm not too bad. I had my Pfizer jab. I got Pfizer'd up at the weekend.

How was it? Well, this is what you've got to do. It's a little tip to any parents out there. I got my Pfizer jab, then immediately, it doesn't have to be a Pfizer, I just got a jab, that's what I had, and then immediately went to the pub and got pissed. How did that go? Right?

Great, because the next day I was allowed to sleep in and fall asleep on the sofa because I had side effects of a jab. Oh, Rob, Rob, Rob. Thank you. That is phenomenal. I'm clapping myself. That is phenomenal, because then Lou was like, oh, are you all right?

Have a little lie down if the jab. I went, yeah, I think it's just, it's not me sideways. Yeah, it's really, oh, bloody hell, them bloody gutters. Woo, eight pints of morality. What? Nah, probably weren't that. It was the old jabby, the old jabberini. Your life is brilliant.

How are you, Josh? You're the one with the newborn. What's happening? Week two of parenting. Of double parenting. Double parenting. How's it going? I am absolutely effed, Rob.

You're effed? I'm completely... Are you effing effed or just effed? I'm effing effed. I'm knackered. I'm absolutely knackered. What's your routine? What's your schedule like at the moment?

Oh, there's no routine. routine what's your schedule like oh there's no routine oh um it's just i so no but what's your i know the baby hasn't got routine but what's your sort of divvying up of uh duty so i'm obviously doing almost all of the my daughter my three-year-old daughter yeah looking after Yeah, obviously, because Rose had a C-section, so she's still recovering. Yeah, but also because of the breastfeeding thing. Oh, yeah. I think we've established that it's better to both go one-on-one

than go two-on-two. Oh, yeah, so you just divide and conquer. Yeah. So last week I took my daughter for her first Nando's and her second Nando's, Rob. That's how low I am on ideas. I went for two Nando's last week. Krispy Kreme or she's still trying to play that cool card?

No, Krispy Kreme, Rob. She's got that anecdote in her pocket, right? Actually, multi-generation of non-Krispy Kreme eaters in this house. Exactly. From father. What about your parents? Have they had a Krispy Kreme? I can't imagine they've got it down there, have they?

Probably not, Rob. So not in Devon. They won't have it in Devon. So that's three generations. Oh, they've only just got the mini ones from Sainsbury's. Or the Sainsbury's soft cookie that come out mid-naughties. Yeah, multi-generation non-Krispy Kreme. Did she enjoy none of those?

Yeah, she loved it. That's why we went the second time. Wow, what does she have? What's her order? Chicken, chips and broccoli, her choice. Didn't eat it, but she did choose it twice. Oh, that's encouraging. Yeah, which is a step in the right direction, right?

My kids hate Nando's. Can I tell you why? Why? Was because when I took them when they were babies, I ordered hot wings and I was eating them and then they wanted something moved on their corn on the cob. I picked up the corn on the cob. They had hot mouth and they screamed and screamed and screamed

because I had hot on my fingers. And now they hate, they actually call it the spicy place. Oh, no, not the spicy place, not the spicy chicken. And I'm like, it's not all spicy. You pick. I just did it wrong as a dad.

Oh, what a thing to ruin for their childhood. I've ruined Nando's for my kids. So that was, I've written some things down, Rob. Okay, yeah, go on. Talk me through it. So you've been to Nando's twice. So do you want the good news or the bad news of my life? Good news first, then loads of bad, please.

I think I speak for everyone listening. I've got a new bin. Okay, okay. The bad news is going to be good. I'm looking forward to this. If this is the good news. We finally got a second bin. Now, I know we do too much bin chat, Rob. You might accuse us. good. I'm looking forward to this. If this is the good news. We finally got a second bin. No, I know we do too much bin chat, Rob.

You might accuse us. I thought I'd lost my bins earlier. Did you? But Lou had put them somewhere else because I was away last week. All eight of them? No, well, no. You only ever really deploy half. So, yeah, having a second baby in nappies qualified us for a second bin from Hackney Council.

Really? Yeah, week one I was like a rat up a drain pipe. Went straight on the website give me my second bin. Wow I didn't know that. Yeah and I've also got a food one now so we put the food waste in the food bin. Oh was you not doing that before? Uh we had one but it we'd lost it. You'd lost it oh okay so now you've got a new food bin so you're recycling. You might say Rob that what we talk about on here is mundane and pointless and i had a real moment when i realized that yesterday um so i went to a four-year-old's

party with my daughter right yeah and um uh so we went to that and that the street that they'd said was parking on there was no parking and my daughter was getting do you know where there's parking where zone five yeah i bet there's parking where zone five yeah i bet there's parking in zone five mate i bet there is three miles of it miles of the stuff sorry carry so in the end i parked in a pub car park that was for patrons only oh yeah yeah but i had no choice because she wanted to get to the party i wanted to get to the party yep it was a pay and display and you could then redeem your pay and display by going in and buying a drink and i was like i'll go in and buy a drink on the way back from the party okay i think that's fine you're technically a patron you're denying it exactly well as it turned out when we went back in i said

can i get my parking validated and he said don't worry it's totally fine so it's all fine but when i was at the party yeah i was talking to someone and he said where do you live or whatever we got into the fact i'd driven there and i said i'm a bit worried actually i'm parked in a patron's only car park next to a car and then i said because i'm always thinking about what what there is to talk about on this pod more or less to myself as much as him i said but then you know if i get fined it's an anecdote and he said not a very good one he's not wrong he's not wrong he's 100 right it's the way you tell him but i thought this podcast has completely ruined my my compass for what is a good anecdote anymore because i'm getting a new

bin and thinking fucking great here we go oh god content content content what is wrong with us no but i think though why this podcast works is that there'll be the that's not a great anecdote you'd start off in the pub with however if you're talking to other people about how shit their week's been because they've got children now and it's ruined everything that will make them feel better yeah exactly yes i did have a nightmare trying to take my kids swimming because i wore three layers and i got too old and i wasn't allowed to take my jumper off because of covid and i got really sweaty and upset but josh widdicombe got fined for using a car park for patrons only it's a happy world we do sure it's not an anecdote on its own no it's

not going to make it into the metro rob no exactly maybe this is why they're not printing our stories you know what you need you need to start doing framing umbilical cords mate yeah exactly i do need to start framing umbilical cords let's move on to how bad my week's been rob so we've bought a cot we've been advised to buy a cot to go next to our bed that i would say is the biggest piece of fucking shit i've ever bought in my life well why why is it different to like a any other cot because i've tripped over it 67 times because the legs stick out i'm going to send you a picture rob we've had to move the bed further towards the window meaning that when i get out of bed in the morning i basically have to shimmy down the side of the bed between the bed and the window so imagine you walk into

my bedroom also you're quite you're very lean you're very lean person would a fat man get stuck i'm not gonna lie rob i've been on the carbs for the last two weeks because i'm so tired i'm less lean than i was have you put on a few pounds josh i have put on i have put on a slight few pounds yes oh it's okay though josh you you need it to get through the night so i'm gonna show you rob first the legs of this thing that i've shipped over 100 times and then i'm gonna show you what it was like originally when we put it in our room and how little space i had to shimmy past this is what you have to shimmy past not on my side of the bed this is to get into the room from the door send it we can stick it all on the instagram can't we you can see that protruding leg yeah that is in the middle of the night once you get past the first leg the second leg between the leg of the cot and your chest of drawers you

are looking at a two plank of wood space there. I'd say that's about 10 inches. Yeah, that's what we've managed to achieve by basically cutting off any side next to my bed. Now, let's look. That's when it moved. Yeah, this is what my bedroom looked like on the first day of having a baby. That's as you walk in. That's as you walk in. There is space there's literally no space and you've had to

move your little chaise long thing is that normally in front of the fireplace uh well we've moved that because rose bought a sofa to go at the end of the bed but then hasn't sold the chaise long yet so we've now got it's like trying to get a baby to sleep in steptoe and lock up if anyone wants to buy that chaise long it is available how much oh it's quite pricey i'll fucking pay you mate just basically you've got a van and an afternoon spare yeah come and get it now that that cot is too big josh It's too big. So I've had to buy another cot.

Oh, why? Because it's just too big? Because I can't live like this for six months. Because even my daughter has been tripping over it, Rob. So she's angry at the cot. She's tripping over it. We're all tripping over it. And also, it's a space where I'm carrying a baby it feels to me why would the why would the legs of a car ever be bigger than

the car it's not so these legs you might see they've got a hinge which means that they fold in right yeah but they don't hold fold in so they hold they fold in and then they on a spring they'll slowly move back into position over about 30 minutes. Why would you need it to ping out? This is ridiculous. It's absolutely unbelievable. We had a cot thing that went to the side of bed like that, but it weren't as big as that. I've never seen anything so big.

No, I know. Do you know what it looks like? It looks like a sort of, you know, like really fat people that can't leave their bedroom. It looks like a chair they sit on to shit and then roll back into bed. It looks very medical. It does. But basically, the way it was before, before you moved to bed,

you literally cannot get in the room. No. With the bed moved, there's still not enough space, really. No, there's not. And there's no room on my side of the bed either. And also, it's not like you're trying to go around an inanimate object. At any point, if you touch that cot, baby's awake exactly the pressure it's like it's like you know entrapment with the lasers when they're trying to steal something oh josh it's those sort of things in it yeah

forget about you can be so prepared and then something like that will ruin your own life completely ruin your life and then you're staring at a shay's lounge exactly so i've bought a thing called a snuzz pod snuzz pod i think we've got that's what we called a snuzz pod. A snuzz pod. I think we've got, that's what we had, a snuzz pod. Yeah. Well, I'm building the snuzz pod this afternoon. Yeah, well, we bought a snuzz pod and they were really good. We've lent it to our friend, but you could have had it if you asked earlier. Well, I'm going to do a build this afternoon.

No, they're really good snuzz pods because it's not as big and it goes straight down. So there's nothing to trip over. Yeah. Yeah. Fair enough. Fair enough. That's what I need. It's got, it's got a traditional leg.

Who needs a traditional leg? Do you know what I mean? Just tapered. Tapered's always better than... You've basically got a bootcut cot. Your cot's got a bootcut leg. You're going to trip over it. You'll have them little bits at the back

that were like Simon Cowell and you tread some down. I hate that. People with bootcut jeans where the back gets trod down oh my god the worst is people that have their wallet in the same pocket and then they get holes in their pocket oh rob don't just take a bag you dirty little grunger oh i couldn't agree with you more i couldn't agree with you oh this yansport backpack on his wallet on wallet on a chain making holes where you sit down. It must be uncomfortable. If it's ripping holes in your clothes, it must be uncomfortable to sit on, surely.

Yes. Jesus Christ. Anyway, Josh, well, I think that snuzzpods away. Well, you're going to have to sell that one. That looks like... I'm not going to sell it, Rob. I couldn't do it to anyone. I couldn't do it.

Anyway, that wasn't even the lowest point of my week. Oh, what else has happened, Josh? Come on. So I'd say Saturday was a bad day, Rob. Always is, isn't it? Yeah. Full of promise. So I should say, one of the main positives is my daughter has just been really...

Are you back to yawn? You what, sorry? You sounded like back to yawn. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I was just... Just how you are now. That's just what I am. That sounded like back to yawn. No, no, no, no, no, no. No, no. I was just... Just how you are now. That's just what I am. That's what I sound like now.

I'd say last night the baby woke up every hour to every two hours. Are you feeding the baby with bottles or boob at the moment? It's Rose at the moment. But we've got some milk that we're going to try in a bottle. But we didn't feel the middle of the night was the time to gamble on it. Well, that's the thing. Sometimes if you give them a big bottle, a big feed, they sleep all through the night and then everyone's happier.

You'll get, look, mate, I'll say this. I'll have the fucking tip police on me and telling me how much breastfeed's the best thing ever and all that. And that does my name. Do what you want to do. Do you know what I mean? But I'm sick of getting told off. I'll be honest with you, Rob. Yeah, it's not the time for um it's not the time

for um a debate on breastfeeding not not a 1am in my bedroom it's not the time for it um no but we've we've expressed milk with what let's be honest we've got a great new expressor last time's expressor was rubbish this is the, isn't it? One that goes in the boobs and goes... Yeah, but Rob, this fits in the bra, so you can walk around expressing. You could go to the shop expressing. Sounds like drama school. I just walk around expressing myself. I'm literally expressing myself, guys.

You're so uptight. I'm literally expressing myself right now. I couldn't express myself anymore lil expressed herself once when i went to arsenal game for my birthday she came along and had to go to the toilet to express milk at half time and the only one who expressed himself at the emirates that day i'm telling you but um we i don't want to be uh on vogue and um you know a bit of the moment but there are worries of tongue tie going on Rob if I'm honest with you oh there's tongue tie worries the reason

we're recording late uh is I was on the phone to the um the lactation specialist and I think we're gonna have to get the tongue tie sorted oh well at least you know but I think uh my first born was tongue tied but we never got it sorted and then we just banged on a bottle but that was for the best of everyone and the mental health of the family yes but if you do bang on the bottle on the formula there's that um oh i can't remember what it's called now that we're like because normally it's so hard you have to like get everything to room temperature but you put the empty bottle underneath and say you're doing four scoops you press press four and it gives you exact amount of water and then you're doing four scoops, you press four and it gives you the exact amount of water.

And then you put the four scoops in, shake it around, put it underneath and it fills it up to the right level of water at the exact right temperature. Oh my word. And it was the best money I've ever spent. But yeah, they're great. They're about a hundred quid or something. That's what I need is to spend some more fucking money.

Oh, she can't drink that free stuff in your boobs, can she? Brilliant. 100 quid on that, Amazon. At least they've got somewhere to put the cardboard. Oh, Joshua. So let me take you through Saturday quickly. Yeah, sorry, go ahead. Saturday morning. We've got a big weekend planned

me and my daughter were doing some gardening that need we need to pot some plants out and then we're going to her friend's birthday on the sunday then it turns out she's left well she's it's not her fault i've left her wellies a nursery oh i'm like that's fine it's good to get out of the house anyway we'll just go to the westfield and buy some new wellies the last that's what i need to do is buy another version of something i've already got because you've not spent much this week have you no exactly if in doubt though with a newborn just you know if you're gonna have to sometimes you do just have to overspend i'd say 80 of the stress of my daughter is our disputes over her refusing to wear clothes.

Why couldn't she just wear trainers to do the plant potting? Because also she was going to this birthday party in the park, so she was going to need more wellies. So she needed some wellies for that week. Yeah. She then refused to put her trainers on. She was like, I'm not going to put my trainers on. I was like, well, we're not going to go to the Westfield then. Yeah.

And then she was like, can you carry me to the car? And then I'll put them on. And because I was really tired, I decided to make a point on this, which was the biggest, I should have said, yes, that's fine. Yes, thank you very much for that offer. I will take that. Thank you very much, Dragons. Yeah, thank you very much, Dragons, even. Three percent for 20 quid.

Yeah, I'll take that. At this point yes please so would anyone like a chaise lounge around here get two i've got another one probably rose has probably ordered another one that's not a problem don't worry got a newborn keep buying stock that you can't sell because you're uh oh not online um so you refused to carry her so you made a walk yeah what an idiot what an. So we ended up in basically a standoff, Rob. Okay. You know normally when a child loses their cool

and you give them some time out? I had to give myself some time out, Rob, because I could feel myself getting too angry. I basically went and sat on the stairs myself. And what did she do? She just carried on cutting up paper, which was what she wanted to do in the first place. So she's cutting paper in the kitchen and you're sat on the stairs?

I was sat on the stairs giving myself some time to cool down because I've lost... What were you saying to yourself at this point? Anything? I was just like, you've got to get a handle on this. It really doesn't matter as much as you think. But partly going, but you can't back down. Yeah, that's the problem, isn't it? You've set yourself up there.

Oh, mate. Because she wins, doesn't she, if you carry her back down. Yeah, that's the problem, isn't it? You've set yourself up there. Oh, mate. Because she wins, doesn't she, if you carry her? Yeah. And so it was just... And there's nothing worse than losing to someone. And whilst you're losing to them, you're holding them and carrying them to a car. Exactly.

In the end, it turned out that we both lost. Oh. Which was good. Because then I went back and I was like, right, I'll carry you to the car. And then you put your shoes on. and then she put her shoes on anyway and I ended up carrying her to the car with her shoes on

which was the worst of both worlds Rob it was a completely needless situation yeah but then you got her some wellies though got her some wellies and also that filled some time taking them out filled some time went to the bookshop

you know and we went to Nando's and that was our day and then in the evening Rob yeah so did either of your daughters were they those babies that give you some time to yourself i've got friends whose babies sleep in the evening no so our firstborn basically slept all day up all night yeah that's what we're looking at yeah yeah the second one was a bit better but not great but better than like she literally would just all day people would come around see her and go she's so cute can have a hold and she'd be an angel all day and then got to eight o'clock wide-eyed ready to go

that's so good to hear it was horrible because i've got friends who've got newborns and they're like go out for dinner and stuff and i just want to fucking go out for dinner yeah they'll be like with the baby no they'll be like you know, I've got a baby of three weeks but I'll leave my mum some milk because they sleep from seven till eleven. And you're like what? I'm trying to watch Gods of Snooker in the

evening while this baby cries. Like, we're trying to watch Gods of Snooker which is a three hour documentary About Snooker, isn't it? About Snooker. It's not Gods Play Snooker like a a three-hour documentary about snooker and about snooker it's not god's place snooker like a celeb spin-off though i would commission it yeah i'd watch that so up all evening and then we get to sleep at 11 he wakes up at one feeding and then when he wakes up rose thinks she's heard some movement in the house.

Like as if someone's broken? Yeah, as if someone's broken. They obviously haven't, Rob. They obviously haven't. Oh, God. No, no, but you've got to check, haven't you? Because she's heard it. And I obviously, I'm totally terrified.

I start convincing myself I can hear movement in the house. Yeah, so what are you tooling up? Are you naked? You've got pants on? Talk me through your setup. I'm just in pants. But then when I think they're in the house house I do put a t-shirt on as well have some dignity

just for dignity wise you don't want to be bludgeoned topless exactly do you pick up a stick or something I considered a pint glass

but I thought that's too like I'm a football hooligan also I think it would do more damage to your hand than their head yeah so in the end

I didn't go tooled up but I did so I go for a look around the house it's completely terrifying do more damage to your hand than their head yeah so in the end i didn't go tooled up i did so i go for a look around the house it's completely terrifying are you how are you out of how are you in those situations exactly the same and i just sort of think there's no point me going down we might as well both go together because all that's gonna happen is you're just delaying your attack they're just they're gonna do me and then do Like, we might as well go together and at least it's two on one, hopefully. But like,

just, there's no, I'm not going to do anything. You know, I like to think I could, but I'm not really that guy. The only hope would be that they'd come for us in the bedroom and fall over the cot. That would be the only hope.

Yeah. And you could just like trap them with a chaise lounge. Yeah, exactly. Pin them down. Pin them down. What a 999 call that would be. They're not there, obviously.

There's no one there. There's no one there. What was the noise or was it just in her head? It was very, it's been very windy over the last couple of days, hasn't it?

So I just think it was a window or something. Anyway, by that point, I'm so wired that i can't get back to sleep till 4am oh no yeah absolutely the worst experience just lying there thinking i really need this would it be a good time to tell you i'm having some of the greatest sleeps of my entire life for f sake just i found a new routine what's your new routine uh basically first of all don't have a newborn.

It's quite key, so you might have to wait a bit. Okay. But no phone an hour before bed. You can lay in bed and read or watch telly, but no phone. That's good. Because it turns out, you know, scrolling through the sort of news research in the Indian variant is not very conducive to, you know, anxiety-free sleep. So now I don't do that and I've been sleeping really well

and I've got new pillows. Yes. Do you know what, Rob? That's so good. The other night I lost sleep because the phone thing, I mean, I don't know if you're aware of me, Rob. I do worry a lot about my career. I don't know if that's come across.

Yes, you do. I do too. Not about my career I don't know if that's come across yes you do I do too not about yours about mine that's why you agreed to do this with me wasn't it yeah I've been a bit concerned this seems to be going well you're happier now no but about mine but I've got a bit I think I've got a bit better and I think you have got a bit better but then when you're tired and stuff and you've got a new baby, sometimes those anxieties can creep back in. You're only as good as your circumstances sometimes.

So you're bound to feel a little bit more vulnerable now that you're tired and exhausted. Rob, the other night. What did you do? Twitter searched your name? No, no, I wouldn't. I would never do that. I would never do that.

Never? No, I've never done that. You've never done that ever? No, I couldn't do that. I did it once. It was awful. Especially if you write Rob Beckett. Just a double check.

Yeah, just seeing how you're getting on. No, if you type in Rob Beckett and shit, you get stuff from years ago. It all crops up. But yeah, I don't do that anymore. No, I couldn't do that. The thought of you typing in Rob Beckett and shit is... Or wanker, fat twat, stuff like that. It's all there. The internet like that. It's all there.

The internet never lies. So what would you do? The internet does lie wrong. It does. That is one of the main problems of the internet, isn't it? It's only humans. The internet, for all its faults, can only reflect humanity, Josh. Oh, yeah, that's true, you know.

You can't blame you know about humanity though isn't it it's terrible isn't it but that's probably the good thing was before the internet you know those lot of nutters kept themselves to themselves exactly you weren't really aware of them unless you were like pissed up in a dodgy pub now everyone's got a voice and you know what everyone shouldn't have a voice oh god so the other night I had my phone next to the bed. Yeah. And I was in a... I continued a conversation with someone who works in TV, who...

A commissioner, shall we say, that was just like a friendly conversation. You've taken work to your bedroom. I've taken work to my bedroom. But it wasn't work, but also the fact that a commissioner makes it always work, doesn't it, Rob? Of course, because you can never relax, can you? You can never relax.

If it's technically a boss or someone, as your freelancer, it could be your boss or employee one day. Yeah, exactly. And then the conversation came to potentially a natural end, but could have continued, but on my text. And then I just got it in my head that, oh, my God, they haven't replied. Oh, my God, my career's over. Oh, my God, I should have ended the text with a question to keep the conversation going. Oh, my God, what am I doing?

That was another night that I couldn't get to sleep. I've had a terrible week for sleep, Rob. You really have, haven't you? If this makes you feel better, I had a meeting with BBC Two people, producers of BBC Two shows. They were talking about gardening and if I like gardening,

so they want more gardening shows and talking about... I like gardening, Rob. They went, you know, because we've got Monty Don and I went, who's Monty Don? And they went... Oh, Rob.

They went, what do you mean? I went, I've got no fucking idea who Monty Don is. And I actually thought they were talking about, you know, the orange juice man with the hat, man from Del Monte. That's all I had in my head. And I went, you know, Monty Don? I've got no fucking idea who Monty Don was.

And he's sort of like semi-middle-class, posh TV people. Oh, I'd say Monty Don, Rob, has a stiff neck. Oh, yeah. I mean, I looked him up, has a stiff neck. Oh, yeah. I mean, I looked him up. Absolute stiff neck. Apparently, he went to Cambridge and became a gardener. I mean, is that a success or not? Well, Rose is in love with Monty Don.

Of course she is. Of course she's in love with Monty Don. She's in love with you. She loves a stiff one. Stiff neck, just to be very clear on that. Yeah, sorry. Of course, yeah. Come on, Rob.

A bit of respect. Sorry, sorry. Apologies, Rose. stiff neck just to be very clear on that yeah sorry of course yeah come on a bit of respect sorry sorry sorry apologies right uh i don't want to cast aspersions with you like a stiff one or not this is for you and josh um but no but i've looked about monty don does it like an absolute legend but i'd never heard i'd never heard of him but he's just sort of a big stiff neck posh guy and he does gardens yeah well he's you know he's not in my realm is he no no but that's why that's why you're such a lovable scamp rob because you don't know who monty don is me and monty don prowl in the gardens of suburbia what a show that would be so i'm gonna stop using my phone in the bedroom rob that yes i'm now gonna do that for a week but this is the other problem because i spend the whole day when she's not a nursery when i spend a day with my daughter yeah i try not to look at my phone right yeah like too much within reason so by the end of the day

i've got lots of stuff on my phone like i've got replied to that you know all that kind of stuff yes and then i basically spend the evening looking at my phone which can't be healthy no and i would say you do say for someone who's not looking at my phone, which can't be healthy. No, and I would say you do send, for someone who's not looking at their phone with their daughter, you have sent me a lot of screen grabs of other people's Twitter with comments. For someone who's not looking at their phone, you're being pretty creative with it.

That was a nursery day. That was a nursery day, Rob. Okay, fair enough. But yeah, I agree. And I think the screen time on the phone, and I think because when you look at your phone, it's like it's work, it's entertainment and stuff like that, where I think in the bedroom, even if you're on an iPad,

you add like a documentary or something to watch, that you went, I'll watch that for 20 minutes. If you can't get to sleep, do that. But the phone just associates with work and anxiety about stuff and social media. So I think you're better off staying away from that. But anyway, I've been watching a great documentary, a Lawrence Armstrong one.

He's such a lunatic. He's like Ted Bundy on a bike. The bloke is just off for the fairies. It'd be great for this podcast. I'd love him. I'd love him. I'd totally get him. I don't care what he's injected in his veins.

Get him on for a chat. Exactly. Exactly. I juice up for this. Sometimes I have a couple of coffees. What's the difference? Exactly, Rob. You're using performance-enhancing substances. Exactly. Exactly. I juice up for this. Sometimes I have a couple of coffees. What's the difference? Exactly, Rob. You're using performance-enhancing substances.

Exactly. Coffee, blood transfusions. All I know is he's cycling quick and I'm talking quick and we're having a good time. I sometimes wear a yellow jersey to host this show. Do you think that's how we should do it? At the end of each episode, Michael should say who said the most jokes and they wear a yellow jersey for the next episode.

I think that would be fun, but could develop into quite a toxic relationship between me and you. But I will wear a yellow jersey throughout the series of The Last Leg to see whether Adam and Alex notice. I think I will. That would be quite funny,

just underneath your, what I'm going to guess is, going to be a pale blue Oxford shirt. How very dare you. You'll sat there with your glasses on a pale blue Oxford shirt, a pair of jeans and a pair of Adidas trainers,

one tucked under the other leg. That is When I Come On TV. When I Come On TV, which is a show I am trying to get away. Anyway, I've got some other stuff.

Have you got other things to talk about? No, no, no. Well, I wanted to double, I want to ask something. I've got a couple, some great Instagrams to get through and also I want to ask something. I've got some great Instagrams to get through.

And also, I want to ask something about your opinion on this. I've been getting a few comments on the school run about my clothes from other parents. I've been wearing sports shorts. Yeah, I wore sports shorts to the school run today, Rob. Yeah, I did. And a pair of like, you know, a t-shirt, a sporty jumper, and then some socks and trainers because I'm going to do sport today after, like, I've done some work this morning.

Can I just say, the amount of times you're saying sport does make you feel like you're a six-year-old. It's PE day today for me. Far, is that okay? Yeah. Is that allowed? I, today, Rob, because I was like, I'm going to get back on the exercise.

Yeah, just, you know, just so you can squeeze into your bed, really. So I could squeeze into my bed. Well, I thought that's the way I'm going to get some energy, is to exercise and have a stiff neck breakfast. Also as well, you're being mentally exhausted, but you're not really being physically exhausted with kids sometimes when they're newborns. Totally.

So I went to the nursery run in shorts trainers and a hoodie and then I ran back oh I ran back earlier because it was raining though which it all counts and you ran because yours is a bit further as well how far is that run a mile and a half that's good yeah it's a good little one to do and but I think that's okay but like a few were all shorts and i don't know i don't never know what to say back what's their problem with shorts i don't know i think that's totally acceptable but once it was a bit cold and then what and then the geyser was like he always wears a coat and it's just in his older he's a grand granddad so he drops off his kid and he's all like oh sure it's a little coat and we have a bit of banter about that and

then it's it's it's not a stop and chat because he takes his kid a bit later. It's really weird. I am on so many different little schedules with other people, but for specific moments, like I know about 12 minutes past eight, I will go past that granddad with his kid. And it's such a high-pressured banter exchange because it's so quick. And I like him. He's a really nice bloke. But we can't get beyond the shorts but then if i went oh i'm doing it oh yeah i'm

doing a bit it's gone i can't explain why i'm wearing the sports shirt i just i might just scream i'm doing sport at him before he speaks next time i'm doing why don't you run past him on the way with your daughter do you know what it is i think it's not about the sports shorts i think it's the fact that it might be too because it's early about eight o'clock they're going it is actually a little bit cold for jogging bombs, but I don't want to dirty a pair of jogging bombs to then later put on the shorts. I think it's totally acceptable.

Now, I don't want to throw out this kind of, you know, I don't want to make generalizations about the sexes, Rob. Okay, go on. But I would say. I do like to do that. You do like to do that? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, so you might enjoy this. Yeah, okay, cool. But I would say... I do like to do that. You do like to do that? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, so you might enjoy this.

Yeah, okay, cool. But I would say it's totally acceptable for a mum on the school run to maybe be in a pair of, you know, Lululemon tights. What's Lululemon? It's like a trendy kind of... God, she sounds like a stripper from Benidorm. So it's like just like leggings for sports. Yeah, leggings for sport with some sporty trainers and a vest top would be totally acceptable.

Yeah, yeah, exactly. You wouldn't even think that that was... You'd just think they're going to do sport. Yeah, that's a sports mom. Yeah, but in tracksuit bottoms, I do look a little bit like I'm going to tarmac a drive. Yeah, I don't think tracksuit bottoms... But you don't want to wear tracksuit bottoms for sport anyway, Rob. No, exactly.

But then if it's a bit too cold for shorts, people go, oh, a bit cold for shorts. Yeah, but it's going to get warmer later, innit? That's how the day works. Why don't you get yourself some Lululemon leggings, Rob? And a crop top. Little vest top. Yeah, I might put my hair up in a bun.

Put your hair up in a bun. In a messy bun. In a messy bun. Can't top. Yeah, I might put my hair up in a bun. Put your hair up in a bun. In a messy bun and just go, can't stop, off to Pilates. Exactly. Sorry, got yoga in a minute

with Tabitha. Bye, babes. On the subject of sports, I went to a sports show. This will make you feel better, Josh, because I know mine

are like sleeping better because they're older now, but I totally lost control of them in Sports Direct the other weekend to the point where they didn't listen to a word I said, and they were taking turns, and one was going on all fours and the other one was riding them and then smacking their bum with a badminton racket, and there was nothing I could do. Absolutely nothing I could do.

I heard the five-year-old was on the horse. No, they take turns. The three-year-old was on the horse. No, they take turns. The three-year-old's as strong as an ox. Oh, okay. Anyway, so they were taking turns doing that, totally losing control, because the three-year-old does this football club and she loves it,

but she's running around in a pair of dinosaur boots with Velcro on. So I saw a pair of AstroTurf trainers for her. Oh, and it's hard to get ones that small, but they had a size. So I thought I'd get them, and've got her a little football, right? The five, they were like Nike ones, but also Velcro, so there was no late.

It was perfect. I was like, this is the dream. This is the exact pair of shoes I've been looking for for my kids to play football in, right? Anyway, so as I'm doing them, the five-year-old goes, oh, can I get some football trainers as well? She hates football. I've taken her football about three times

in three different ways hates playing it hates watching it has no interest in it whatsoever okay i was like well no because you don't do it she went i want to go once anyway now i said okay i'll get them and then you go football again with her friend because her friend goes and now she wants to go because her friend goes anyway so i've got the got both sets of trainers both a football came home the three old put them on straight away running the garden playing in them has taken them to class on a Sunday five-year-old

hasn't even got them out of the bag oh Rob absolutely but then I I couldn't be prepared to have that argument with them in the shop

because she'd kick off and then it looks like she won't kick off that's one of the problems she will but she'll refuse to absolutely refuse with pure strike

start screaming scab at her sister but then I didn't want to be that person that got bought one of the girls something and the other one not something I absolutely refuse you. Pure strike. Start screaming scab at her sister. But then I didn't want to be that person that bought one of the girls something and the other one not something. But then luckily I got the bigger pair, and then the younger one can just wear them to his old body. Oh, yeah, that's good. I felt like I was doing it wrong, but I couldn't.

No, Rob, there comes a point when you have to go, is this battle worth fighting? Yes. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, I know what you mean. In sports direct, it's the same as the cot situation for me. Do you know the best piece of financial advice my dad ever gave me, Rob? What was that?

You will lose £1,000 a year to being an idiot. You buy Bitcoin. Oh, sorry. You'll lose £1,000 a year to being an idiot. Yes, you just have to accept that. You just have to accept it and make your peace with it. You'll lose something or you'll scratch your car or whatever you get the wrong car yeah or the parking fine or all of these things will happen but make your peace with it because that's so that's such

a great bit of advice it's great isn't it because you cannot be perfect you can't always make the right decision at the right time you know if you book a holiday and it gets cancelled or you do this or do that or whatever, or you drop 20 couldn't street, you will at least lose a thousand pounds a year to being an idiot. And that's okay. That's okay. That is what life is. And the moment you make your peace with that, it's much easier.

Obviously, you know, it's May and I'm closing in on a thousand pounds. So I'm going to have to have a very, very tight second half of the year. You really have to get your head on. to have to have a very tight second half of the year. You're going to really have to get your head on. Really have to concentrate on not being an idiot. Oh dear. Do you want some Instagrams, Josh? Yeah, let's have some Instagrams. Right, so first

things first. You know I spoke about hamsters having massive bollocks? Yeah. This one's a good one for the Instagram content. Is it going to get us taken down? I don't know. I don't know what the rules are on hamster pornography. I wouldn't call it pornography, just sort of a kink.

Hi, just listened to episode 34 of series two. I mean, I didn't really know we numbered them until this has come in. Rob, you mentioned that all boy hamsters have big balls. I thought I'd share a picture of my 10-year-old daughter's hamster, Snickers. He uses his balls as a pillow, and he does. I can send you this to you, Josh. Would you like to see it? Do you want to see this, Josh?

Yeah, I do want to see this. He uses his balls as a pillow. Oh, my God. It looks quite comfy, doesn't it? Yeah. God, do you remember? I don't know. Did you used to read Viz, Rob?'s quite comfy didn't it yeah god do you remember i don't know did you used to read viz rob uh no i didn't it's a sort of i had read the bino yeah for a bit there was a character in

viz called buster gonad who had huge balls and he looks a bit like that that was the one the bash street kid pug was pug in the bash street kids is that yeah have i made that up yeah what was that in the bino that was in the viz Viz was more of a grown ups thing yeah I think that basically you got to Beano and then you either decided to be a virgin and read Viz or actually a legend

and play football I did both have you got any more Instagrams yeah mate C-section soundtrack hi guys thanks for the podcast made me

laugh through the last few months of pregnancy and my first year of my daughter's life Josh mentioned his hospital I did a chilled playlist for their C-section soundtrack. Hi, guys. Thanks for the podcast. Made me laugh through the last few months of pregnancy and my first year of my daughter's life. Josh mentioned his hospital. I did a chilled playlist for their C-section. I thought I'd share my NHS experience of this. I think you can have your own playlist,

whether you go private or NHS. Yeah. Just before my emergency C-section, the nurse asked if I wanted them to keep the radio on. I didn't really give it much thought at the time and said, yes, it was fine. Big mistake. My daughter was born to the local radio station playing Shaggies. I didn't really give it much thought at the time and said, yes, it was fine. Big mistake. My daughter was born to the local radio station

playing Shaggy's It Wasn't Me. Really put the nail in the coffin for the serene candlelit birthing pool experience I had in mind. Katie from Brighton. I love that. That's amazing. Yeah, we didn't get the option when it was an emergency

the first time around. If it's an emergency, who gives a shit if the radio's on or not? If it's an emergency, go, could you wait 20 minutes? Because Scott Mills is on. I do like his show. Yeah, Chris Stark's going to spit on a pop star in what we like to call the COVID game. Patient zero.

Patient zero with Chris Stark gobbling on people after an innuendo. Pumped into a dry studio from the master puppeteer mills a daily mail headline writer uh hi josh and rob firstly a massive congratulations to josh and rose and the birth of their little boy these first few weeks go so fast make sure you take lots of photos and video would you like to count they don't go fast josh is that what you're saying do you know what they go a lot faster the second time because we've done two weeks tomorrow yes and i remember the first time um i i vividly remember people saying which is of course complete rubbish they were like it gets much easier at six weeks and i vividly remember thinking six weeks felt

like forever away whereas now it really does go much quicker the second time around. And also as well, you're more confident, aren't you? I suppose she says, take loads of photos and videos. And I would second that because one, they grow quick and their faces change so much, but also you do not have as many photos of the second baby. And they will notice that as we are getting told when she goes well i don't know if pictures of me on the wall i was like because there was two of you we had no time to get any

developed that's why yes yeah that's a good point anyway uh on my c-section playlist story i thought i'd share what my husband deemed a good first song as i nervously sat very still waiting a huge needle to be inserted in my spine on comes as loud as possible 21 seconds by so solid oh wow yes please embarrassed and gobsmacked i screamed at the top of my lungs are you fucking kidding me it wasn't all bad my son was born to an ed sheeran song the same i walked down the aisle too so um there's you know yeah can't listen to opinion here, but there we go. I'm more so solid. 21 seconds ago, hopefully a fucking sheer.

And then we get a proper song on all jokes aside though. He has had a kid. And if you want to come on here, Ed, we're absolutely open arms to that. You've got an album coming out. You might want a bit of promo. Exactly.

Can't wait to read both of your books. Oh, we've got books out. If anyone, you know, all this free content last week, we had the most listeners ever for our podcast yes we did um yeah really pleased about that um let's see whether the bin anecdote gets us back up there this week but let's convert those listeners to book

purchasers this is all free content why not go out and buy our books just do it and sarah said um and please have more children to keep the podcast going. It's not for the one to try. And Sarah, Lou, are you listening? Okay. That was a joke about, like I said. Okay. Can you read this? Do you know what?

This week, Rob, I've had the conversation. I've had, I'd say, this shows the up and down of the week. I'd say 10 times this week, we've had the conversation of, this is amazing. We should definitely have three. And 10 times we've had the conversation, thank this is amazing, we should definitely have three. And 10 times we've had the conversation, thank God this is the last time we ever do this. We have to remember this moment and not have a third one.

Yeah, but I would like you to have more. I'd like you to have more, Rob. Yeah, I know, but, you know, well, let's see what happens with the listening figures. If they drop off, Lou, let's go to fucking work. This house earns money, not me. Or you. The house earns money.

Start getting the kids on there. Get them to 18. Do you want to have a kid? Do you want to do the grandparent? That would be quite good, wouldn't it? Oh, this is a good one. This is, please keep it anonymous. Hi guys, love the podcast.

Congratulations, Josh and your newborn. Just listened to your Ian Sterling episode and he mentioned about probably one day leaving the baby somewhere well this is just reminding me of a story from work we are an estate agents where one of my colleagues was doing viewings with a couple they had just been on a viewing with the couple and they've got a new baby had been on a viewing and had made their way to the next house and they'd driven to the next house when the mum screams and says where's the baby it turns out that they had left the baby in the car seat in the middle of the living room in the first house oh my god they previously oh wow oh as you can imagine that was probably the worst 10 minutes of the new parent's life oh my god happy to report the baby

was still sleeping when they arrived and was none the wiser. Just a vision of that empty house, but for the baby in the seat. Also, look, even if the baby weren't sleeping and was screaming, you'd always end that story with, yeah, the baby was sleeping, don't worry. Imagine if you'd put your house on the market and you have to go out, don't you? Because the estate agent shows them around. Oh yeah.

And then you get back and there in the middle of your sitting room is an asleep baby in a chair. These house buyers are getting younger and younger. What is it? YouTube, Bitcoin, daddy's money? Disgusting. The overtime I did for this deposit on this flat that I bought

for seven grand in 1972. Right, should we do small business shout outs? Yeah. There we go. It's been a very fun morning. Just got an email from Uber. You're going to love this. Am I Uber?

What on earth could you say? What on earth could it say? Let's delete that. Here we go, small business shout outs. I thought you were doing Uber for your small business shout outs. Oh, no, fuck those guys. Little car company, guys. Oh, here we go. Hey, guys. Firstly, podcast is fantastic.

I have four kids and can really relate to what you guys talk about, and it's a great listen to while I'm washing windows. I heard on your podcast you're doing shout outs for small businesses. I've just started on my own doing window cleaning in the West Sussex area. Could I ask for a shout out for my business clear view window cleaning on my website clearviewwc.co.uk if you can that would be great if you if you need your windows cleaned I'm just down there brightening Burgess Hill I'll be happy to drive to London and give you a free window clean um I do actually need my windows cleaned Ben but I don't want to force you to do that drive every week or however often you haven't but my windows are disgusting yeah um you guys are doing a great job with your podcast keep it up kind regards and thanks ben clear view window cleaning so if you need your windows

cleaned or washed as you said earlier i don't know what the difference is um then and you're in brighton burgess hillway romesh i know you're that way. If you need your windows cleaned. Come on, Romesh. Cough up the bloody greenbacks. Come on, Romesh. With his 45,000 windows, I imagine he's got by now. Oh, he's never in his fucking house to look through them. That's why he don't get them cleaned. He'll get them done at Television Centre. That's his house.

Clearviewwc.co.uk. Good luck, Ben. And yeah, I do need my windows cleaned, if anyone knows anywhere in the Bromleyc.co.uk. Good luck, Ben. And yeah, I do need my windows cleaned if anyone knows anywhere in the Bromley area. Okay. Also, no one's come back in contact about why my barbecue nearly exploded when it all froze over,

if anyone's got any heads up on that. If that's the first time that's ever happened, Rob, then that is worrying. If no one's got in contact, do get in touch. Maybe I'm a superhero and I'm like Elsa and I can freeze stuff and I'm just finding out. You know, at the beginning of a film, they do that little sort of montage of moments

when Spider-Man sort of jumps and he goes really high and he's like, why have I gone so high? If you are a superhero, Rob, I mean this, please don't quit the podcast. I need this. Well, I always thought actually, which really showed my lack of ambition as a youngster. When I worked in Sainsbury's at 16, stuck in shelves,

I was like, and I was on £3.61 an hour i would be like i would be great if i was like superman i was really fast because i could come here and i could basically put all the yogurts out in about 20 minutes and still get paid for eight hours what a terrible use of superpowers i had the opposite when i used to work in the local pub rob bringing the logs in from the log shed. Of course you did, in the fucking shire, wherever it was you grew up. Yeah. So it would be two hours work a week, one hour on Wednesday, one hour on Friday.

Because they had open log fires and they had a log shed. But they gave me an hour's work on a Wednesday, an hour on a Saturday. Yeah. And it was a maximum of 15 minutes work. But I needed to string it out over an hour. So it was the opposite of 15 minutes work. So, but I needed to string it out over an hour. So I just, it was the opposite of your yogurt plan. I was just trying to slow, do it more slowly. I just sit in a log shed for 45 minutes, pre-phone, and just stare.

Pre-phone, just stare. I remember pre-phone, I used to have a shit read in the back of shampoo bottles. Yeah, I mean, imagine what it was like getting on a train pre-phone. Anyway, we'll come to that on Friday. Should I do a quick, hi, Rob and Josh.

I'm a massive fan of the show. Two children, age three and four, and absolutely love listening to all the lockdown tales from so many different people. It's lifted my spirits and reminded me of the positives that have come out of lockdown. One of which is that my little business has been able to help out lots of parents struggling to get their children reading or to find brilliant books that their children will love. My business is called Chestnut Books. I create bespoke one-off and subscription boxes of books for children based on their age, interests and ability. The boxes are

suitable for children 0 to 12. I was a teacher for 11 years but left the profession after having my second child to spend time at home with them. And this business has given me something to focus on. The website is www.chestnutbooks.co.uk and at chestnut book boxes on Instagram. Fucking hell. I'm tired.

Thank you to Julia for that. I can think of two books that would be really good to put in a box. Yeah. Oh, yeah. The old, your one, 90s television. Watch Your Neighbours Twice, is it called? Watch Your Neighbours Twice a Day. Growing up in the middle of nowhere in the 90s,

watching too much television. And Rob Beckett's A Class Act. Also, I've got another small business shout out. This is from the street dogs of Europe that are saying, we're trying to raise some money to help support the middle-aged stiffnecks that keep sending us dog food. We're absolutely fine. The bins are overflowing.

Some street dogs. Some street dogs. Didn't someone shout that at you this week? Yeah, someone went, mother street dog, out of a van, which is probably one of the best heckles I've ever had. Thanks for listening. We've got another great interview on Friday. street dog out of a van which is probably one of the best heckles i've ever had yeah um thanks for listening we've got another great interview on friday we've got abby clancy presenter and model wife of peter crouch a previous guest so she's spilling all the beans about the crouch clancy

it's also a podcast mega fan it turned out well yeah but she'd never listened to podcasts before until she had a long journey and she said she was a bit nervous because I think it was the first time she traveled after lockdown. And her brother, I think, said, oh, listen to this. You'll like it. And she absolutely smashed through all the episodes. And she's a big fan now. And if you are, I think we should push more people to get their friends and family involved in this because there's so many people I know that I've recommended podcasts to because they'll enjoy it and a lot of people don't realize how you set it up so if you have got older or less technology advanced friends and family grab their phone and then download this

podcast and subscribe to it and show them how to listen and then we can sort of get more people involved in listening it's been an absolute pleasure oh it's been it's been lovely hasn't it um we'll see you on Friday see you on Friday bye