Rob Beckett and Josh Widdicombe's Parenting Hell - S03 EP32: Jimmy Carr

Episode Date: October 29, 2021

S03 EP32: Jimmy CarrJoining us this episode to discuss the highs and lows of parenting (and life) is the brilliant comedian and presenter - Jimmy Carr. Jimmy's new book 'Before and Laughter: A Life Changing Book' is available now. Please rate and review. Thanks - Rob and Josh xxxIf you want to get in touch with the show here's how:EMAIL: [e-mail]: @parenting_hellINSTAGRAM: @parentinghellA 'Keep It Light Media' Production Sales, advertising, and general enquiries: [e-mail] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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which I would say can be a little tricky. So, to make ourselves, and hopefully you, feel better about the trials and tribulations of modern day parenting, each week we'll be chatting to a famous parent about how they're coping. Or hopefully how they're not coping. And we'll also be hearing from you, the listener, with your tips, advice and, of course, tales of parenting woe. Because let's be honest, there are plenty of times when none of us know what we're doing. Hello, you're listening to parents in hell with there we go that's very fast this is alex he's two and a half and we're from sydney australia

oh he doesn't listen to the podcast but enjoy trying to say your names i listen to your podcast regularly and find it especially comforting and ironic during the times i have to lie on alex's floor next to his bed so he will go to sleep love the podcast it's been hilarious and joyful during a tough time sydney has only recently gotten out of lockdown thanks also for dropping two episodes a week as it's given us something to look forward to also i've bought both of your audiobooks and can't wait to listen to them thanks again for the laughs and tips. Hopefully lockdown is gone, but the podcast will remain. Correct.

Yes, it's good that our Antipodean cousins are out of lockdown. Because we changed the name before they were, but we can't wait for the whole world. You know what I mean? How are you, Rob? I'm all good, actually. I've got a little bit of a bone to pick with the schooling system. Oh, no. School photos.

Here we go. It's a fucking racket. Carry on. Carry on. Right. So it's overpriced for what is. Are you still put in front of that kind of sky backdrop? Blue, yeah.

And the photo is normally okay, but they're getting through a lot of them. So it's never your best shot of your kid they always look a bit they're either too smiley because they're annoying or they're a little bit shy because they're normal that's how it works with the other kids photo and so it's not the greatest photo in the world and then you can never just buy it you always have to buy a package you can't just go i want four of them at that price it's like the family bundle but there's never enough for all the grandparents in the family bundle so it costs a fortune and you know what they've started doing now merch merch a key ring i can get my daughter's face on a mug why would you want that so before you used to fill in the form and get the photos but now it gives you a link to the website so where you can just order

your kid's face or whatever you want and there's's a list of key rings, mugs, T-shirts. Rob, do your daughters go to school at Snappy Snaps? Yes, Snappy Snaps, hi. No, I think it's a thing. They're doing it at this school. Yeah, I'm sure. It's insane. But they've got merch. My daughter's got merch before we've got merch.

How much did you buy and what? What did you buy? I don't know. Lou's bought it all. And I'd just rather not know. I'd just rather not know i just i just rather not know the price because all that's gonna happen is lou's gonna order it anyway so if i find out the price and get annoyed there's no point because i'll be in there i have a row and then she's

ordered it anyway yeah so you're better off just tapping out i don't know i don't know if you had school photos yet she's at preschool still she's a primary so i'm not primary so she's at nursery so they don't do school photos. Yeah. No. That joy still... I think though when they leave, they do have a small... Well, a four-year-old's size. Like they have like the thing

that you wear, a mortarboard and gown like when you're leaving university. Oh, that's cute. Yeah, that's nice. Get that on an A4 poster. Just stick it on your book. Exactly.

I'll get that on a mouse mat. Lovely. See, if they were nice people, they'd just send you the file and you could get it printed yourself. Oh, God, with Getty Images written on it. I'm trying to get photos of one of the Beckham kids. Fucking joke, mate.

It's ridiculous. Oh, I'm sorry. Oh, this will make me laugh as well, Josh, quickly. This is quite separate to kids. I did a book event. I don't know if i mentioned it you did yeah the bromley one um but um did i mention the woman like that laughed in the front row that maybe maybe like because the whole book's about like because your background is like

working class you don't have the confidence to do something because you're sort of told that you can't do it because no one around you does that kind of thing and then it was talking about a story and i went oh oh yeah actually I didn't really put that in that book. I'll put it in the next book. And I went, next book. And I was like, what have I got to do?

What have I, you are at my book, you're at a book event about a book I've written and you still think it's funny that I might write another one. What have I got to do to prove that I've got the minerals to write a book here? She's, she's listened to you complaining about writing the book for the last three months of the podcast yeah to be fair I did moan about it and I probably won't write one for about 10 years but it really made me laugh I was

like oh come on have a bit of faith you're you're a book I've literally done one I'm talking about now come on believe in me um how about you Josh you're You all good? Yeah, I'm good, actually. I'm fine. I am... Do you know what? What? Everything's okay, Rob. It's fine. It's quite settled down a bit. I'm doing a tiny bit less work.

Yeah, that's good. Yeah. Because I do want to say, I think we both work hard, but when the book thing... I know we keep banging on about it, and I apologise, we keep banging on about it, but you do basically have to hammer it for two weeks, and then now we're done with the book.

It's sort of out there now. People that know about it know about it. I did Saturday Kitchen, though, last week. Have you ever done Saturday Kitchen? Once. That is the best time I've ever had in my life, Rob. Well, I felt quite the opposite, but go on. Did you?

I just can't be bothered to go to Clapham on a Saturday morning to pretend to like food. Clapham? Lovely. Rob, I have three glasses of wine before midday. You're an animal. That's because I'm contractually obliged to do so. Contractually obliged to have three glasses of red wine.

Well, one was a pink fizzy, one was white and one was red. I didn't finish the wine, but also I had a lovely meal times four. I had a lovely cake. Genuinely, I was like, this is the gig. Drinking and eating before midday. I get stressed on live TV because I feel like I'm about to ruin my career by saying something. Josh, I've got a good Instagram if you want to do that

before we bring on Jimmy Carr because it's a good episode. We should also do, weren't we going to do a brain dump or something we remember? Oh, yes, brain dump. Let's do brain dump first and I'll do this story. It's a funny story that's coming from Instagram. And Michael's going to pick a subject. I don't know if Michael's thought of a subject.

I do indeed. I thought it would be nice to hear your thoughts and your brain dump on Home and Away. Home and Away. Home and Away. Did you used to watch Home and Away? I didn't. I was more Neighbours. Oh, well, Home and Away.

So you don't remember Alf and Elsa? I never watched Home and Away. I can't brain dump with you, Josh. You'll have to do it solo. Oh, well, I don't think So you don't remember Alphanale, sir? I never watched Home and Away. I can't brain dump with you, Josh. You'll have to do it solo. Oh, well, I don't think it's as fun on your own. That's a shame. Oh, sorry, Michael. You've got another topic.

How about Tier 5 Friday? Oh, Tier 5. Yes, place your hands. Reef. Yeah. Wheel. Wheel. Remember Wheel?

Yeah, of course. Do you know what? I've met him a few times because he still works in TV now, doesn't he? He is a lovely bloke. Lovely guy. Big fan of his. He's actually the producer on Undeniable, which you can watch on Wednesdays on Comedy Central at 9pm.

Oh, this is shameless. Sorry, I shouldn't be plugging in a dump. No, no, you should because this is, you know, to be fair, we are doing this podcast and people who are on this podcast are probably fans of us, so I don't think it's a problem that you're saying you might also enjoy this. Yeah, yeah, that's fine. Well, let's do the brain dump. Come on.

TFR Friday, give it to Danny Baker, who was a script writer. They used to write on the desks all the names. Remember that? Oh, yeah. The cardboard cutout of Jarvis Cocker behind Chris Evans. Yes, yes, please. There was one where Paul McCartney was on, and he played every instrument when he played a song.

And I love Paul McCartney, and I think he's amazing. Remember when Slipknot were on? Yes, I do remember when Slipknot were on. That was unbelievable. It was great. And didn't people used to come through the little door and do something? What was the little challenge they did? So there was Ugly Bloke, where an ugly bloke would come out.

Ugly bloke! And then a model would come out, and she'd ask him out on a date, and he'd have to say, sorry, love, you're not my type. That is... That feels problematic, but actually I think it's quite visionary. Yeah, exactly. And then there was Freak or Unique, which was like a woman that could cry milk,

and like a man whose stomach looked like an elephant and stuff like that. Amazing. Freak or unique. And then was there people behind the bar as well because he just used to pan through them.

There was a barman called Andrew who was like an Irish bloke that I think was Chris Evans' local barman that had just got given the job. Oh what, that must

have been so fun to work on. Have you ever recorded in Riverside Studios where it used to be recorded? Yes, yes. There's a pub

opposite it and over the wall all you can see, there's loads of pictures from the 90s of Chris Evans and Danny Baker and stuff with all these huge superstars, and they've just gone to drink there

after TFI Friday. Oh, that's... We should have a Christmas party there. Oh, my God. What a place. Actually, no, it's miles west. Yeah, it's really... It's quite a problematic area.

Too difficult to get to. Far too difficult. Right, I enjoyed that little brain dump, Josh. That was nice. I've got one more little story before we go. Do send in your brain dumps. They don't have to be TV. We'll do anything, you know.

Arsenal. Arsenal Invincible season. Virgin Megastore. Anything. Anything that no longer exists. Right, here we go. Here's this one little story before we bring on Jimmy Carr. Hi, Rob and Josh.

Having heard Lucy Beaumont's breast milk stories, I felt compelled to share one of mine. I'd gone to a cafe with my sister-in-law after having done a walk around the park. This was my first proper outing since I had my son Oliver just three weeks before. I was very nervous, three weeks old. We found a table and we were looking through the menu

when Oliver suddenly woke up screaming for milk. As it was still pretty early days, I was not pro at getting oliver latched quickly or subtly it wasn't going well and oliver was getting more and more distressed making it harder and harder for him to get on the boob and it was making me more hot and flustered as everyone looked after finally getting oliver latched it was at this moment that a teenage waiter came over with our teas and to take our food order. He had clocked I was breastfeeding, flushed bright red and was doing the classic avoid all eye contact with the woman and with her boob out whilst taking the order. I don't know if it was the sound of another voice or what, but Oliver took his moment to pop off the boob, letting out a large jet of milk,

whiz out from my nipple, and hit this poor lad in the face. Oh, my God, no. What is this? I mean, this is Miranda. What's going on? This is... I have no idea how that particular trajectory worked,

but it was a perfect shot right onto his cheek. Oh, my God. There was a half second where he and I both looked at each other with our mouths open. He should keep his shut unless he's hungry. My sister-in-law then burst out laughing and said, do you have any extra milk for my tea, please? Then pointed at me and she she and then point at me

and said she clearly doesn't need any oh my god absolutely frank skinner speed from the sister in law there he looked so shocked mumbled i'll have a look and bring you your cutlery and shuffled off i was so hot and embarrassed the whole thing made made it even worse when I found out that he was, in fact, the teenage waiter's very first day of his job. Oh, no. Oh, my God. At least he got an interesting story to tell when he got home. I mean, that's from Hannah there, this old squirty milk Hannah.

That story probably exists somewhere else on a phone info. Weirdest first day at work ever. What a mad... Oh, my God. If you are the teenage waiter, do get in touch. Yes, and if you have squirted milk in someone's face before, let us know. We are very big fans of the squirting of milk

in embarrassing situations. I think it's good because it will happen to other people, so the more we talk about it, the better we'll make those people feel because poor old Hannah there was very, very red-faced, she said. Yes, that is absolutely brutal. Right, now, someone who doesn't get red-faced, the master of no shame, Jimmy Carr. Oh, that is a link and a half, isn't it?

Here he is. Jimmy Carr, welcome to the show. We're very excited about this, Jimmy. What, excited about having me on the show? Yeah, I'm... Do you know what? For a long time as well, I thought I was better than this, so... LAUGHTER Do you know what? It's not a rock bottom,

but it's definitely on the way there, isn't it? Yeah, yeah, you can smell it, but you're not in it. It felt like, when we got the email, I thought there's an admin error here. They've confused us with the Booker for Graham Norton here. What's going on? I like the idea that you guys have gone, look, we've just middle of lockdown. We've got to monetise these kids somehow.

Can't just be a brain on our time. That's why I was interested because I asked you to do this in lockdown. And you said, because you said you weren't really going to talk about your kid. But now you are because there's been a shift. Well, the shift was we just wanted a bit of time to kind of adjust to it ourselves. And then we're kind of talking about it. I mean, I thought the papers were very nice about it in a weird way. Because, like, the tabloids get given a hard time, right, by anyone in the public eye.

It's like, oh, they're terrible, they're the worst. And you go, well, they're two pictures of me pushing a pram for a year and a half and just went, I wonder what's in the pram. Like I was taking old CDs to cash converters. Everyone just presumed it was piles of cash, Jimmy. That's what they presumed. I do get paid solely in cash. Yeah, well, that's what Ken Dodd was just cash, wasn't it?

He had a room of cash in his house. Obviously, I'm the expert on all... Of course, there's a very clear distinction between tax avoidance and tax evasion. The difference is about 18 months in prison. So, Jimmy, you've got one child, that's correct. How old, two years of age? Just turned two, one child.

Does that get me on the podcast or do I need more? Yeah, no. It does, yeah, you qualify. But people don't know, that's the thing, because you never officially announced it, did you, really? You started talking about... But, like, that's why the papers couldn't say anything because you hadn't announced having a child.

So they could just say Jimmy Carl spotted pushing a pram. I also thought it was kind of a weird thing that people make a big announcement. I'm aware other people have got kids. It's like when one of the royal family has a kid and you go, right, is that the first child that's ever been born? Is this children of me? There's a lot of fuss going on. Yeah. the first child that's ever been born is this children of me a lot of fuss going on yeah it's weird that thing of like the the fascination with certain kind of celebrity kids you know that's

where the whole horoscope thing comes from it was a royal baby in the early part of the 20th century was born and they did the horoscope in the paper one day for the baby i was born and there's a thing called horoscopes and and it's kind of... And then they just... The papers realised, oh, we can fill a page a day with this nonsense. Amazing. People love this nonsense. I never knew.

So he's just turned two. Did you do anything for his two-year-old party? We did. We went to the Rainforest Cafe. Oh, yes. How was that? I couldn't recommend it highly enough. It is, I would say, almost inedible food and a lot of fun.

It's like, how are they messing this up? Like, Wimpy still does a good burger. I don't care who you are. Yeah, I agree. But these guys seem absolutely incapable. But, you know, it's Piccadilly and it's like massive burgers and stuff. He's in the zoo. We live really near London Zoo, so he's in the zoo most days.

He's got part-time work. Are you a member? I'm a silver member. I bet you're a bloody gold member of the zoo, aren't you, Jimmy? A silver member? I didn't even know there was such a thing, Josh. Oh, Jimmy, the money that you're losing. I thought you'd be across this.

So what's the setup? My silver membership, I can go as much as I want, but I don't get money off parking. Who's driving to London Zoo? Yeah, I live two minutes away. Why would I be driving? I've got whatever the membership thing is where you can just kind of wander in.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You live local. Yeah, it's good. I mean, you know, I've got to say I'm loving the zoo. Yeah, it's great, isn't it? People do it all, but really, compare it to nature. If you take away all those cages, what have you got? After two weeks, you haven't got a lot of harmony. After two weeks, you've got one massive fat tiger really compare it to nature if you take away all those cages what have you got what you after two

weeks you haven't got a lot of harmony after two weeks you've got one massive fat tiger looking at oh and is he at preschool and stuff now your your boy yeah he's at he's at the nice one where you can go with them so that there's two mornings a week he can you sort of go from it's like 9 30 to 11 30 and you can go and you go with them i find it very very chill because they're quite strict they sort of go look no phones and you sort of go well it's two years old he hasn't got a phone and they go no no you're not allowed on your phone oh and so you're sort of there playing with with you know bricks and then put it in the safe and then you're good for the day check it again at seven o'clock and it was it was hard like the first couple of days but it's really good it's really kind of well when your kid says yeah i'll put the phone down you feel

so much guilt and they go daddy put your phone down and i've been on my phone way too much we've all got books out at the moment you've got your your book out as well jimmy and you are forced to sort of plug it quite heavily there it is look at that um before and laughter a bit self-help and it's sort of just funny stories as well wouldn't it jim that one it's kind of it's like the classic sort of showbiz biography of the uh hey i can't believe my luck and it's also how did you make your luck yeah because i think there's the the your belief system i think is kind of the fundamental thing in life like what you believe dictates how everything else goes so i'll put a bit of that in there because I thought, you know,

it helped me a lot. So, you know, I want to share it around. Also, you know, the advance from the publisher. In it you say that you're kind of writing this partly for your son so that he's got something to read when he's kind of 25 and he wants to find out about life. I'll be an older dad. There is that thing of like,

I was chatting to my friend Jim Jefferies about it the other day and going and going yeah i'm an older dad he went move to los angeles mate you're a young dad depends where you call it from i like the idea that yeah i'm kind of a slightly older dad so that first thing i think in life it's like it's later than people think as well i think it's sort of 24 25 you're sort of you land and go right what am i doing yeah and that's a massive thing like who's around at that stage is your environment and is you know that thing about you know the parenting thing nurture is incredibly important i mean nature is probably more important but there's nothing we can do about it right yeah that's that's your factory settings that's what you come out with and the only bit we get to play with is nurture. And people assume that nurture finishes at, I don't know, 18 or 21 or whenever you move out of home.

Oh, nurture's done and I'm a finished product. But actually it continues all the way through your life. And it took me a while to kind of figure that out, that you can't be your environment. You've got to be around good people. Because you wasn't as super confident as You've got to be around good people. Because you wasn't like as super confident as you are now when you were younger. So do you think when your child's older and like in the teenage years that you're,

what I find quite difficult is like, I wasn't very confident as a teenager. So there's all sorts of things that I sort of did to help me that I want to tell my kids, do this, do that. That'll be really good because that helped you. But then I know that when you are 17,

the last thing you want is a 50 year old bloke telling you what to do or not to do. Do you know what I mean? So are you going to try and control yourself or do you reckon you'll go full in with the, this is what you've got to do, son? I'm often wrong, but never in doubt. I'll have loads of opinions, of course. That's the nature of this thing, isn't it? It's like, of course you're going to go, as if you're going to see your child suffering in any way and go, good luck figure it out good luck i know the answer i'm not going to tell you find out for yourself

does seem like there's a corrective element to being a dad as well you kind of don't want what you had necessarily or you want to kind of take elements of that and you know make it better so that thing of like the idea of having a dialogue with your child i think it's very sort of healthy no matter what you say. The act of talking is more important than what you say, I think. Yeah. Can I say something as well, Jim? I'm not seeing you for a bit.

Your hair looks fucking exceptional. There's a lot more of it than what I last saw. There's loads. That's mental. Well, it's a weird thing where you have a hair, I had a hair transplant in the second lockdown because, you know, if you're going to have a midlife crisis, all I'm going to do is sports car.

No, but I think you did it perfect timing. perfect timing yeah yeah just before it got too bad well yeah i did it well i had like the the they call it a widow's peak don't they it's like i look like a vampire's accountant like a like a real ray reardon if you get that reference you've seen that gods of snooker so i had that thing going on and i thought well i'll get it done i mean purely vanity but i think being on the telly sort of licenses a fair bit of vanity but you have a hair transplant and people genuinely they go i had a mate go who do you get the hair from and you no no no you're not waiting for one of one direction to be in a motorcycle they just they take 4 000 hairs from around the back and then redistribute. It's very socialist, my head. And then, you know the sensation of when the hairs on the back of your neck stand up? Yeah.

How bad does this go spiking? There's the gag. That's lovely. I love lovely stuff. Does that continue forever? Like, I know we will get back to parenting but i mean so does so will that this is the only reason i had the kid was as a donor he doesn't realize that the technology i look at him and i just see i see two healthy kidneys just spare parts so does the hair will

you have to redo that or will like will that happen again or is that now sorted forever that will last forever there because that's the hair from back there so it's not programmed to fall out right so it's just going to stay in there but what i might do is recede back past that point i would have like i would describe it as a friar tuck vibe where you have a front sort of quiff and then you have like a ball bit behind it but that that's just, you know, we'll cross that bridge. Jim, we all know you as like sort of Mr.

You get a banter for it, like Mr. Robot sort of humanity and no emotion on shows. You know what I mean? You're brute all your jokes and you don't really give much of yourself away. Like when we do panel shows and stuff, you've done some more so recently,

but you don't give too much away. So what's Jimmymy car the dad like then are you fully in on the floor rolling around messing around or fully i kind of went into it with my eyes open uh i absolutely adore it i think this is my sort of theory on people is the people that we like we like who we are we're very self-centered i think we like who we are when we're with them yeah yeah that's why we like other people the reason we like our other halves. The reason we like our other halves and the reason we like our mates is because I like who I am when I'm with you. Great.

I like who I am when I'm with him. I like sort of being fully engaged. And I mean, the lockdown thing was such a blessing, but I'm around more than most dads get to be. Most dads want to be around an awful lot and life gets in the way and they've got to work or, you know, a lot of mums as well get to have to work and it's just it's hard being away from your kid i get to be there most of the day

because i work night i mean it's such a brilliant job like getting back to it you go i work two hours a night with a break yeah it's unbelievable yeah but you do get to spend a lot of time with the kids like in the daytime when you do our job when it's mainly evenings yeah i get to spend a lot of time with the kids, like in the daytime when you do our job, when it's mainly evenings. Yeah, I get to go to Gymboree. I get to go to Messy Monkeys. All of that stuff. And I'm down with all of it. I love it.

For a minute, I thought Gymboree was what you termed playing with Jimmy Carr. I thought that was like your family name. That's the official term. That's the word we use. An hour of Gymboree. What about other parents? Have you had those awkward chats? Because when you've got got a kid it's sort of like open season to chat if you're at soft play or jimbery you know what is it that you get asked because i find you're

a hard person to approach in the street because you've got that high status authority well i do it's a weird thing i've always had that odd thing of because of the type of jokes that i do on stage and you know i was chatting to someone about the book recently sort of saying i've never really liked they've been watching me for 20 years and don't know who i am because the book gives a sense of that's my sense of humor and that's who i am on stage but kind of opening up a little bit and it seems appropriate after 20 years in comedy to write a biography frankly you boys have gone too early but i think of like opening up and kind of being a bit more yourself. I mean, I think I'm, I think I'm more approachable now than I was.

I think with a kid as well, it's sort of like having a dog. We've had dogs for years. So if you've got a dog, if you walk in the dog, it's like anyone else with a dog, you go, all right, we're in the dog gang. We can chat. Any other parent can have a chat. The only thing I don't like is the eyebrow raised from other dads. I'm not a big fan of the, you're in the playground, having a brilliant time with your kids, and the dad gives you the eyebrows, the, oh, right, they've got you too.

And you go, no, no, I fucking love this. I knew what was going to happen. Look, I think Romesh is a great act. He can be negative, but I think Romesh is a good guy. Did you always want to have kids? No, I don't think I did. I think I had a... There's elements of my childhood that weren't particularly happy.

And I kind of... I felt like it was... I mean, you know, to be serious, I felt like my mother was slightly tied down by her kids. I felt like she was... You know, her life was us. And I wanted more than that. So I kind of associated having a family with being tied down and not being free. And I suppose that break that I had in my mid-20s of like going off and for me, it was joining the circus of comedy and going, I don't care about stuff anymore. I want to have interesting experiences.

And it felt like it was yo-ho-ho and a pirate's life for me. And I was off doing that. And then kids felt like that was very uh domestic and would tie me down and I can see now that that was foolish and you can have both but I think at the time it was I wasn't ready for that yeah I think there's a lot because I think a lot of comics have kids quite late as well and I think that that's a really good kind of distillation of what's happened with yeah but if you want I mean if you want to find a group that are emotionally stunted it is it is um it is comedians you know, and my theory in the book,

which is, you know, not universal, but I think in a lot of comics that I know it's when you ask a comic, you know, why'd they get into it? And the best question to ask a comedian is which of your parents was sick. It tends to be that one of your parents was sick, either physically or emotionally. And you had to make things okay in the house. You had to make it.

I'm not sure if that's true for you, but let's ask. Josh, is that true for you? I don't, do you know what? I don't think it is, but it certainly wasn't true physically. I don't think I made things okay in the house. You made it worse, actually. Yeah. You know, you've got that very light thing about you.

I mean, with me, it was my mother was very depressed throughout my childhood. And she was brilliantly fun and funny, but also quite quite depressed and it was kind of having to make things okay and that becomes yeah yourself medicating with dopamine totally well i don't think it's necessarily sick but if there's sort of something that's not good happening at home whatever the situation then it's the comedian comes out where you go i'm going to try and cheer everyone up whether they're sick or if there's not much money knocking about or someone loses a job or there's grief in the family. It's that kind of thing. So I think it's a bit broader. But yeah, definitely you use your whatever skills you've got to go, I'll be funny or I'll distract and stuff like that.

But what's really interesting is like because what's great about the book is like you see so much more of Jimmy Carr, as we've said, than you would ever see and I found like doing this podcast with Rob both of us have opened up more than we ever have and people really respond to that and have you found it kind of freeing in a way to kind of share all this stuff and share these views with people uh I think it is a little bit it's also kind of where I want to go a little bit that thing where obviously the lockdown is there's lots of negatives and a lot of people had a very tough time and i i you know you do a lot of thinking actually as life slows down you tend to reflect more sort of memory and speed is sort of inversely proportionate and we i spend my life on the road i sort of gig 200 nights a year so i'm sort of out doing it and then you don't really turn around to reflect and then when i kind of looked looked at it kind of

i went i'd actually like to change my comedic style a little bit and open up a little bit more so I'm kind of working on that you know yeah it's quite interesting to do that to sort of go well no one's finished comedy sort of a task without end you can get better you can always kind of work at it a bit more so I'm trying to work on that as well and opening up a little bit kind of parts of it yeah and do you think that's been a direct result as well of you having a child where you do you you do you know open up to more things you have to make compromises where before i think you know you said your kids a bit later i think that's not just a comedian thing that's just people that are career driven and you've got to be really career driven in comedy to get because you have to really sacrifice all your friends and relationships to take those gigs and do all

those unsociable hours and stuff but so do you think it's sort of having children sort of open opened you up a bit more like that because you are distracted from the career aspect i think so i think maybe it's an age thing i feel a bit more career driven than i have in the last five years really actually that was the weird down like the the kind of caveman thinking about scarcity comes in yeah that weird and it's like a caveman level safety and security. And they're very different things. Obviously safety is about, you know, is there a bear that's going to attack? No, we'll be fine.

And then scarcity is about, do we have enough? And wanting to work and that being your sort of thing. I definitely had that when we had the first kid. I just, in my head, suddenly every job became like a mathematical equation almost in my head of how many jobs of this level do I need to do before we're like I need to do this amount of work for this amount of years and then I don't have to worry anymore about and that's I was doing that for two years maybe and I thought and I it was really making my mind go I think I think a lot

of people have that a lot of people have that weird thing of like going right what do I need to do to be okay forever and yeah before having kids eh sort of who cares you know yeah it's only me I'll be fine I was fine when I had nothing I'll be you know I was nothing for a couple of years when I started doing comedy fine absolutely fine happy as Larry and then you know you make a few quid and it's good. I mean, that causes different problems. But, you know, it's lovely that the unifying thing about having kids, the fact that you feel part of a tribe a little bit, the fact like everyone's going through these same experiences.

Everyone sort of feels the same. I mean, the base level, I suffer with anxiety quite a lot. And the base level of anxiety just gets turned up again because you think you're at the casino and you're all in. Yeah. I'll bet my life I'm a funny fucker. I'll bet everything. I'll bet a lovely career in marketing that I'm the funniest fucker.

You do. You literally go, right. I mean, it sounds very dramatic. You bet your life. And then you have a kid and you go, fuck, I wasn't all in at all. I'm all in. Now I. You bet your life. And then you have a kid and you go, fuck, I wasn't all in at all. I'm all in. Now I've got a kid in the game. Yeah.

Especially when you're self-employed and stuff. That's what, you know, I found that. When I had the kids, I was like, right, I've got to get the money and get the money. And even if you sort of have got enough, you just keep telling yourself you haven't and you keep going and going. Frankly, you two guys being worried,

I mean, really, wind your necks in. This guy's worried. We live in the middle of cancel culture and I'm still doing what I'm doing. So... Yeah. Burrow time. I've got nothing to worry about. I can't see...

I mean, listen, I love you, Joe. I can't see you getting cancelled. No, but I'm more cancellable, Jimmy, because if I said any of your jokes, that's the end of my career. But you, you're the uncancellable man, right? Well, that feels like... You're're the t1000 of cancel culture this is gonna get clipped up i mean rob won't get cancelled for anything he says on stage but i reckon i reckon some sort of crime from his teenage years will come back yeah the name of the driver or i'll be pissed at a pub

being filmed at a phone saying something that's what happened it won't be a joke but do you do you reckon that your kids got an impact on that where some of the stuff you talk about obviously so extreme and obviously it's all jokes and stuff but are you concerned about i'm seeing it or oh but i'm seeing it no not for a second no but if you were say cancelled for something and then it's sort of all the bad press about you being cancelled and stuff does that weigh on you if they've got to see that press or stuff or go to school when that's happening. Well, what am I going to do? I'm going to be like a conservative MP at my front gates going,

well, I'd like to apologise. No, listen, I'll roll those guys all day. I mean, in my house growing up, my mother, I mean, to say she swore is an understatement. It was like she swore, like the c word was absolutely fine in our house like all the swearing was fine all the chatting about things that were unacceptable absolutely fine and i like that i like the idea that uh there's a there's an honesty to comedy and there's an openness to comedy and a discourse in being funny that just it's it puts people at

ease and it's for me it's like like a shorthand to a friendship. It's like if you share a sense of humour with someone, it's just you're, right, okay, we're on the same level. There's no, like, you can talk about status or whatever when people meet me. If they've got the same sense of humour as me, we're on the level. Great.

And with your parents, you said it was a bit difficult in your childhood. Did that make you quite nervous to be a parent if you had sort of not the greatest experience growing up, not knowing what to do? Not so much. I think I knew what to do. I just didn't. I mean, listen, it's not like a secret. I haven't seen my father in like 21 years. And my mother's dead and my father's dead to me, which sounds very cold. Yeah. Until you meet the guy.

But it's a weird thing where you go, I'm acutely aware that things don't always work out. I'm more aware that I think a lot of people sort of think, oh, we'll be fine. I'm aware that sometimes it goes the other way and that can be terrible. And there's no bitterness and there's no anger there you know one of the best i just i can't have that guy in my life so you know there's a bit of a sadness there you can't you worry could something go go wrong in with my kid yeah you know you want

to kind of prevent that but it's it's hard i think it's about being being being a father being that figure for him but not being you know in any way controlling yeah i think it's because i didn't really process like my childhood until i became a parent because then you start directly sort of comparing it and stuff so if you do have a difficult relationship with your dad for me I'd imagine that you'd be like fucking hell he didn't do that and I'm doing that you then you constantly compare you can have those issues and not seen them but then you're constantly comparing and I don't know if that if that happens at all and where you've actually thought about it more since yeah I thought I thought about a lot but I was very lucky actually because when I when I lost my mother and my father I kind of was I was around good people and I had

enough father figures and mother figures in my life so it's like you never really lose them you sort of go right well I need to find that thing that I get from that person that kind of archetype so well you know that can be, you know, teachers, friends. I mean, it's sort of colleagues as well. I've got some friends that are like, I've got one friend that's younger than me, that's properly like a father figure in my life, like someone that I go to for advice.

It's weird the way it works, but it's not you, Rob. But the idea of like going, it's interesting, like when you think about it what is you know you happen to be you know biologically the father of this of this picture but that's not the important thing the important thing your your role within their life and how you kind of how you play that yeah i think that i say nurture is so massive obviously nature like those your genes and things like that but you can have a relationship with someone that you're not genetically related to that you treat like a grandparent or an auntie or a dad and i think that that's so important we're talking that thing in like in in families or whatever i was always very jealous of that with my my mates family had this thing where they'd have other

other sort of people and you go that's auntie joan you go well how can you relate to her make my mums yeah but there's a certain level of friendship that mums have and dads have where you go, no, that's your uncle, Tony. Yeah. Why? I didn't have that. I've known him since I was seven, so he's my uncle. What?

I bet you've got that, haven't you, Beckett? Yeah. You're the most, well, I've got that. But what I'm going to say to Jimmy is that you're one of the most well-connected people I know in the country. So the people your child's going to meet and spend time with, he's going to have hundreds of aunties and uncles, isn't he? Well, I don't know.

I mean, well-connected is an odd thing. Well, no, it is. You are well-connected. That's your uncle Brandon Flowers from The Killers. I'd say if I needed to contact someone, I'd go to Jimmy. Jimmy's phone book's probably the best in the country, I'd say. I've got to call the other day from a mate going, oh, I need permission to use Paint It Black.

Do you know the Rolling Stones? Exactly! That's a fair point, isn't it? So who did you call, Keith or Mick? Which was the one that you called, Jimmy? It was Ronnie Wood. But yeah, but that's not... Celebrities changed massively, like in terms of you know instagram

and social media and all these things so and i'm at the lovely age now my son's at the lovely edge where you can dictate so you can say right no screens no sugar no social media but no social media is easy for a two-year-old i imagine with with a 13-year-old, it's more of a... Yeah. But I watched that about all the guys in Silicon Valley sort of going, you can't have social media for kids. It's not healthy. Because I don't think I would have had a happy childhood with social media, because I wasn't aware. I know Josh wasn't aware.

I mean, he lived out in the middle of nowhere, didn't you? Yeah, exactly. You weren't aware there was more fun going on elsewhere. You're there in your school with four people or whatever it was yeah no of course i didn't realize until at least about 2004 that it was a weird place to grow up at all yeah and that's just basically what my life was like i assumed everyone lived like that the social media thing worries me because everything looks so perfect yeah yeah sort of happy families and everyone's having a perfect time that only really existed in adverts for holidays when we were kids.

There's a weird psychological thing now where people are jealous of themselves on Instagram, where they see pictures of themselves on Instagram and go, oh, I wish I was that person. But they are that person. But it's just filing. They've never frowned. Well, I've been doing book signings for the book when it's come out. And then people have a quick photo with you and then move along because there's lots of people waiting. So they can't get their angle they can't you know

position it how they normally do so then i'll get messages on twitter or instagram oh it was great to meet rob beckett and i go and i look at the profile photo and go i've never met this woman in my life i've never met her then i scroll down look at the photo of us together it's a different person because she's not done all the angles you You sound like Prince Andrew there. I've never met this woman. It is an odd one, isn't it? The social media thing and people sort of getting photos rather than... It's an odd thing like signings for things where you go, I'd rather look someone in the eyes and say hello than get a photo.

Yes. They didn't really have a chance to say hi. Yeah, because you can have a proper chat with someone about something rather than just awkwardly like leaning in. Just say yes. Yeah, because you can have a proper chat with someone and go, oh, about something rather than just awkwardly like leaning in. Just say yes. Yeah, yeah. If you've been asked

400 times that day, the 401st person doesn't know that. Yeah, yeah, of course. Oh, no, yeah, no, I don't mind a photo. As long as they've bought a fucking book, yeah.

Do what they want. Hundreds of people that I've gone, I've got to get a train, sorry. Do you do, do you watch kids' TV with your son? No, he's never seen TV.

He's never seen TV. He's never watched telly. He's two. Ever. He's two. So what do you think? You just play with him all day? Yeah.

Rob's reaction. Fuck. Yeah, is that weird? That's impressive. Do you know when you're going to ease it in? We're trying to go back to the set. We're having a full Josh Whittacombe childhood. We're going to bring him up to Amish.

Yeah. So he's never watched telly? What about never had an iPad or nothing on screens like that? The only thing he's seen is videos of me. If I've got a gig and he's going to bed, we'll do a little FaceTime bed. Right, yeah. I got a tip from a mate the other day, Stuart Goldsmith.

You both know Stuart Goldsmith. Yeah. He said, don't do videos with the kids. Don't do FaceTime. Make a video and send it to them, and they make a video and send it to you. Ah, that's good. Otherwise, like, bedtime can be a bit... Like, if you get the wrong time,

if you're five minutes too late for that perfect say goodnight... Yeah. ..it's a bit confusing and he was just trying to do something... Yeah, that's a good tip isn't it yeah so when were you going to ease TV in or are you not

going to ease TV in I think it's going to I mean it's going to be so straight but hopefully by the time we ease TV in it'll just be I'm not interested

my dad seems to present everything are you just going to show him telly from the noughties then so he doesn't want to tell you okay so all right but has he had a mcdonald's what has he had a mcdonald's no but we we had no i think with the health visitor came around during the health visitor a nice lady around like she was really sweet and then i was going

you know as i do i went any funny stories and she we went well we're sort of you know we're trying to eat the rainbow every day we're trying to have all the different colors on the plate we're trying to do you know broccoli and're trying to eat the rainbow every day. We're trying to have all the different colours on the plate. We're trying to do, you know, broccoli and carrots and things, the veg, and then some main thing. And we're doing kind of the veggie stuff, whatever. We're chatting about the diet of the kids. She's going, yeah, this is all fine. And I went, well, what normally happens?

She went, I've just been to someone's house and they had pureed a quarter pounder with cheese. And you go, all right. No, this is fine. This is like the health. This is like half hour off for them. Yeah. Everything you do, you research it and do it properly. So I think you're very well informed.

So did you do a lot of reading of all the books? I haven't done a lot of the reading. I'm really, I'm looking forward to a bit of that. But I suppose the first couple of years, you're basically going, right, this thing's got to get on schedule. It's got to get, the sleep schedule seems

to be an important thing and then yeah eat and the best advice i got was from someone really early on someone went oh just because i don't have um a mom and dad and caroline doesn't either in this country so that her her parents are in canada so we had like this night nurse that came in that was almost like um a sort of surrogate mom and sort of gave us all this kind of amazing advice and just basically are with kids if they don't eat don't worry about it they've got their stomachs tiny so if it's like a lunch and a dinner that they skip and then they eat a massive breakfast like that doesn't like for any sort of 24-hour period just don't the individual meal doesn't matter just look at what they've eaten over the day oh that's good it takes all the pressure off she was going actually 48 hours is really good because if your kid has a massive bowl of pasta

and really likes it it might shoo away breakfast and lunch the next day and that's totally normal just be you know chill i remember the first with my first kid i was like i got into my head so much about feeding so it almost became like if she didn't eat it became like a defeat do you know what i mean it became it felt like a each meal felt like something oh this has got to work out but that's so useful to view it in that kind of more long-term way the best experience was about three days in and someone had said oh you've got to meet this woman i went well what does she do exactly and they went oh she's the tit witch i went what oh she's the tit witch and like three days after the the birth the cholesterol is coming in right so

it's like the clear liquid from the boobs before the milk comes in and then on that third day which is the most emotional day the most hormones you can have in a human body is on that day this lady called the tit witch who's called claire bynum cook she's written all the books on breastfeeding she's absolutely incredible and she comes around does she call herself the titwitch yeah or is that no no that's what she calls herself and she comes around and sort of goes and does like the oh right this is how you're gonna breastfeed it's unbelievable i got on so well with it like she's friends with jack whitehall's mum do you go oh you're the poshest woman i've ever met.

And really, I don't know, I kind of felt like I was like giving into the whole, like the experience of it and the thing of kind of sort of doing it together was really, it was really fun. We got home like after, I was really proud. We got, we had about five days in the hospital because he was quite premature. And we had about five days in the hospital and then we got home and Caroline sort of went, oh, I haven't, I haven't changed a nappy yet, how do you do it? Because she hadn't got round to it. I was really like, oh, I'll show you.

But you like knowing stuff, knowing how to do stuff and having like, you're really into like the best way of doing stuff and the expert and stuff. I'm the opposite of certain Tory MPs. I love, there's always someone that knows better than you and every day's a school there and i think that thing of like being a dad i haven't got set views on it i'm like going well i'm just sort of trying to learn from my friends yeah you know there's people further down the road you sort of watch how they do it

and they're not they're not trying to be best mates with their kids they're trying to be set boundaries and and be you know have this have a proper father-son relationship, not a friendship. Yeah, of course. And how was the birth? You say it was a premature baby. Was you just standing there awkwardly? Was you cracking jokes? What was happening?

It was a terrifying morning because it was emergency C-sections. Oh, no. Oh, God. And when they say emergency, they go, you know, then you sort of take the guy to one side and you go, well, what do you mean emergency? What's the worst case scenario? Oh, no, that's legit frightening.

Okay. So it was great. I mean, we were very well taken care of and it was great. And I don't mind the gore and the guts of the thing. So I was kind of, I was sort of in the business end as they sliced her open. GoPro strapped to your head. You were at the business end?

Yeah. Wow. I think you're the only person I know who's taken that decision. Oh, no, it was unbelievable. Did you take a lot of time off, obviously, or was it in lockdown when the baby came? He was already off.

I took a week off touring, which I'll be billing the kid for later. Yeah, I took about a week off. But even then, I was like going, do I, I could pop out for two hours, you know, I could about a week off. But even then I was like going, do I, I could pop out for two hours, do I know if I could do a show? I've been doing some preview shows because I've been doing it on this tour for a while

and I'm sort of, I'm rewriting it. I'm rewriting two hours because I'm going to put some of it on a streamer and then sort of, but the tour continues. So I'm rewriting new stuff. And sort of, yeah, trying that new stuff. People can sort of tell when you're, it's true and when it's a joke. People sort of, but the tour continues. So I'm rewriting new stuff. And sort of, yeah, trying that new stuff. People can sort of tell when it's true and when it's a joke.

People sort of, I think they never get credit, the audience. The audience know what's up. They know exactly when you mean it, when you don't mean it, when it's a joke, when it's an opinion. They get it sort of organically. So it's been quite interesting.

There's quite a lot of stuff about having a kid, but it's not your regular, oh, sleepless nights. It's some brutal stuff out there. Is there anything that was too much to go in the show? There's not like a little end of the career tour that you've got, you just put it in a file. Genuinely, the special that I've just recorded, the last 15 minutes of it is career-enders.

I just go, right, let's do some career-enders. Oh, brilliant. Oh, wow. And I do sort of 30 career ending jokes in a row. But, you know, that's my sense of humour. You can't change what you find funny. It's... LAUGHTER

That really appeals to me. You know, the thing is, you can joke about anything, but not with anyone. Yeah. One of the most exciting things, I think, about you having a baby, Jimmy, is you've chosen a brilliant name. Yeah. Yeah. One of the most exciting things, I think, about you having a baby, Jimmy, is you've chosen a brilliant name. Oh, yeah.

Well, I mean, a lot of celebrities give their kids unusual names and they live to regret it. But if you saw him, Josh, if you saw him, he just, he looks like an adult. Little moustache. Came out with a little moustache. Arm first.

He's a rocker fella. Love it. It's an unusual name. Little Moustache came out with the Little Moustache on first he's Rockefeller love it it's an unusual name I've always liked surnames as first names and that thing of like

when you're naming a child I think it's like three things to look for it's like can Rockefeller come out to play you know it's like

is Rockefeller coming out on a date and will be upstanding for Judge Rockefeller it works on those three things it's like because sometimes you give him a silly name you go well if he's a high court judge he's fucked does that shorten or are you going rockefeller we go rockefeller i mean i always liked fella is a

very i think it's a lovely thing i mean people always go with a rock thing and you go actually fellas great name yeah right fella yeah fella brilliant i like fella yes it shortens to so many different things but we don't we call him rockefeller and i like the kind of sing song of that and the syllables and the yeah obviously i think it's great well what do you think it's hang on i know i feel like we should all share well that's the thing i've done me and lou have kept because we haven't we've never said their name publicly but i don't really know why but we've we've put them on instagram or anything like that but we've never given their name publicly, but I don't really know why, but we've put them on Instagram or anything like that, but we've never given their name out. But I think I'm starting to think that's silly,

but I don't know why I've done that. Whereas I've done an even more absurd thing, which is I don't mention it on the podcast, but for some reason I mentioned it everywhere else. So it's like, I don't want you to do anything you don't feel comfortable with, but it felt to me like the name was out there because I did the dedication in the book and I wanted to put his name.

Yeah. Well, that's what happened with me. Yeah, you're sort of putting it out there and it's unusual. But, you know, picking the name was such a, it's such a sort of fun, it's a fun thing to do. Well, no, but I didn't put it in the dedication. Now I feel guilty and I just put the girls and I've not said it. So I need to talk about Lou about talking about the names. But I think I probably, because everyone's going to know the name at some point.

It's just a weird thing I've got myself. I'm happy to have my names judged by Jimmy Carr. I'm quite excited by it. I thought it could be a fun little game. So it's my daughter's called Pearl. Ooh, no, I don't like that. Pearl, Pearl is great. What was that? What's the, God, there's an amazing song from the 80s,

Pearl's a Singer is the first line of it. Is it Dr. Hook? Oh, I don't know that. I'm going straight. I'm straight. Very excited, look. It's the 80s, Pearl's a Singer. It's the first line of it. Is it Dr. Hook? Oh, I don't know that. I'm going straight. I'm straight. It's very exciting, look. It's the first line of Pearl's a Singer. And the second name's pretty special as well.

I think you're going to enjoy this. Cassius is my boy. Oh, Cassius is brilliant. Ian Morris' kids called Cassius. Oh, really? I presume for Cassius Clay in some form, or that was the... Yeah, well, we were going to call him Mohammed, but we actually felt that would be more offensive.

So we had to go with Cassius, the original name of Mohammed Ali. Well, Mohammed's a great name too. It's the... I didn't know it would have caused issues. I remember reading a stat saying it's the most common Christian name in the world. I think we've got to come up with a different term for Christian. Doesn't seem that Christian.

Cassius and Pearl, these are fine, fine choices. Great name. Oh, thank you. Because Pearl's got that lovely thing where it feels a bit 1950s, but also, like, you never hear it. It's great. Yeah. You must have been tempted by Dean after Pearl.

And with Rockefeller, would you want Rockefeller to follow in your footsteps and be a comedian? A lot of people say I'm barely a comedian, Rob, so who knows? Oh, stop it. I think following in my footsteps is a weird one where you go, I mean, kind of this is what the book's about. The book is about, I think I'd love him to follow in my footsteps, but not necessarily into comedy, into whatever makes his heart sing,

whatever that thing is that just makes him go, oh, I'm so happy doing this. If you get to find that thing where you live to work, not work to live, that's, for me, incredible. Who wouldn't want that for their kid? Oh, my God. Jimmy Carr's got a fucking heart. What's happened?

Jim, it's beautiful, isn't it? I didn't know it was there. Well, I knew secretly, but not in public. My favourite quote in the book is there's this lovely quote by an American writer that says, like, having a kid is like having a medical procedure where your heart now lives outside your body. Oh, that's lovely.

What a way to end it as well. We do normally have a question about what annoys you about your partner. The most moving one we've ever done was Jimmy Carr. Who thought that was going to ever happen jimmy it's been amazing we do have one last question though if that's all right okay the question is what's the one thing that annoys you about the way your partner parents that you don't really bring up in case it causes a row i imagine you would bring it up though jimmy is there something that your partner does that annoys you parenting wise that you don't think you should be doing um No. I mean, it's like, I don't think so.

Hang on, let me think. There's got to be something. Maybe she could smoke less cigarettes around him and she could drink a bit less. And I think it's a lot. Heroin does calm you down. Fun mum's fun, though, isn't it? Why are there so many sharp things? Jimmy's been amazing. Thank you so much much it's been an absolute pleasure jimmy the book is before and after subtitle life-changing

book oh joke title obviously i did loads of joke titles that i pitched the book on the title jim will fix it and the publisher bought it on that on that premise they went yeah that's hilarious it's great and then as it got closer to the day i think they called the people at And the publisher bought it on that premise. They went, yeah, that's hilarious. It's great. And then as it got closer to the date, I think they called the people at Tesco's and went, they're not going to stock it if you call it that. So I wanted to call it Just the Tip,

take it from Jimmy Carr. That's excellent. Just the Tip. Well, there's always the paperback, Jimmy. There's always the paperback. Yeah, I could change it for that. But you both have got books out right now, right? So I haven't read them yet. I feel bad I haven't read them. I'll get round to them. But it's been... You both have got books out right now, right? So... Yes.

I haven't read them yet. I feel bad I haven't read them. I'll get round to them. Don't feel bad, Jimmy, at all. There is 64 comedians with books out at the moment. The thing was, though, in the middle of... When lockdown here, we've all got a couple from our agent

after about three weeks. You can't just sit on your arse. You're either doing a podcast or you're doing a book. And you greedy fuckers have done both. ass you're either doing a podcast or you're doing a book and you greedy fuckers have done both over cheers mate thank you so much thanks jim that was perfect thank you so much thank you very much jimmy car i love that episode josh that was brilliant and i genuinely i love seeing that side of jimmy car it's so it's so, it's exciting, isn't it?

Like I said, it's thrilling to hear Jimmy Carr in that way. Do you know what I mean? Well, yeah, because I've sort of known Jimmy quite well, and you have as well, as the person, not just a sort of joke machine. And he's a really lovely bloke. He's very caring and very like, will always offer advice and help you out

and things like that. And he's always been really good to me, but you've never really seen it in the public. But it's really nice to see him opening up. No TV, though. I mean... Oh, tough, tough. Impossible.

How do you get through the 12 hours of the day? I've got no idea. But I do think it's different when you've got one kid and he's around a lot more and his wife's around a lot more. Maybe you've got more time to do that kind of stuff. I think it's just you end up with a situation where it's just like that half hour when you're like, I just need to cook dinner.

Can you just sit in front of the TV? All of that kind of stuff. Yeah. Just to park it, I'm going to make you breakfast. I can't also colour in with you. So could you just watch Jojo and Gran Gran? Yeah, exactly. But each their own. No judgment here guys no you do what you gotta do not judging rob i'm jealous of the ability i'm jealous of the ability to parent good on him um wicked well that was a

jimmy car i told you we'd have big dogs leading up to christmas exactly it's all about the build up to christmas and the great thing is the christmas the season of giving they just want to come on and talk to us and there's nothing in season of giving they just want to come on and talk to us and there's nothing in it for them they just want to come on and have a nice chat in the build up to Christmas what I love about how successful this podcast is people like Jimmy Carr and McIntyre are going on it and I can imagine

them going really what I've got to go and talk to Rob and Josh about my kids what and that many people will listen and they sold that many books after doing it fuck I'll do it

oh dear right let's I will see you on Tuesday isn't it Josh bye see you later

bye bye