Rob Beckett and Josh Widdicombe's Parenting Hell - S04 EP12: Jermaine Jenas

Episode Date: March 4, 2022

S04 EP12: Jermaine JenasJoining us this episode to discuss the highs and lows of parenting (and life) is the brilliant presenter, football pundit, and retired professional footballer - Jermaine Jenas. And yes you heard it right, we are very excited to announce even more Parenting Hell Live shows!! On top two the already announced Manchester Arena (Friday 14th April) and London 02 (Friday 21st April) - tickets are now on general sale but going fast!! We're also doing the following shows;19th April 2023 - Nottingham20th April 2023 - Cardiff 23rd April 20223 - Wembley Tickets are available to the general public today (Friday 4th March) at 10amTo sign up to the mailing list if you haven't already just cut and paste this into your browser:parentinghellpodcast.mailchimpsites.com Thanks - Rob and Josh xxxIf you want to get in touch with the show here's how:EMAIL: [e-mail]: @parenting_hellINSTAGRAM: @parentinghellA 'Keep It Light Media' Production Sales, advertising, and general enquiries: [e-mail] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Welcome to Parenting Hell, the show in which Josh and I discuss what it's really like to be a parent, which I would say can be a little tricky. So, to make ourselves, and hopefully you, feel better about the trials and tribulations of modern day parenting, each week we'll be chatting to a famous parent about how they're coping. Or hopefully how they're not coping. And we'll also be hearing from you, the listener, with your tips, advice and, of course, tales of parenting tales of parenting woe because let's be honest there are plenty of times when none of us know what we're doing hello you're listening to parenting hell with

can you say rob beckett and can you say j Josh Widdicombe? Josh Widdicombe. And can you say this is lockdown parenting help? This is lockdown parenting help.

Very good. There we go. It's not lockdown anymore, but fair enough. Hi, guys. My husband and I... It might be when they send it in. Yeah, we're getting through them. My husband and I love the pod. We listen separately, though, which can be annoying when he tells me all about what you've said in an episode

that I've already listened to. This is Polly. She's three and very bossy. During lockdown, when she was only two, and I happened to say under my breath, this is a fucking nightmare, she replied, no, mummy, it's not a fucking nightmare. It's fucking hell.

Wow. I was horrified and proud in equal measures. I think of this as a fun podcast, but it's a real tinge of EastEnders bleakness at points, isn't there? Yeah. But Josh, how are you? We teased your week. Didn't do my week.

Well, crawling, crawling's kicking off. Do you know what, Rob? Crawling is, I'm going to say. Overrated. It's much easier than when they can't crawl. There you go. I've said it. Crawling's easier than when they can't crawl.

Because he's less frustrated. Right. And you know when people say that they're fast, you know, they get away. They're not. He's not a fast crawler. How long has he been crawling? A week. But it's a fucking baby, Rob.

I'm way faster than him yes i can catch him up do you know it's not that difficult to catch him how old is he 10 months my kids were walking at nine months both i can't believe how insane that was that is mad isn't it he's got his eyes on walking though because it was my kids and i didn't realize because it's about a year isn't it they walk on average or a bit later. But that's mental. I just realised he's going to start to talk at some point soon. When do they start to talk?

We should know, shouldn't we? God, it all blends in, doesn't it, Rob? Do you know what? Don't worry about it. When they do, you'll know. The good thing about crawling, Rob, and you know my problems with, is knackering him out. He's fucked.

He's tired now fucked he's absolutely fucked he's exhausted so he's sleeping well 7am 3 days in a row Rob oh my god so goes to bed about 9 wakes up at 7am

goes to bed at 6.15am till 7 13 hours 13 hours of it that can't be I can't believe it he will get... It's not going to last, obviously,

because he'll get used to crawling. But this is a glory period, Rob. Yeah, so you're in a hotel as well. So now, are you saying to Rose, well, it's easy for you because she's sleeping so long. No, I'm not saying that, Rob. And don't put those... Do not put those words in my head.

Do not put those... Well, actually, Rose, you're getting more sleep at home because the children are sleeping so long than I am because you know I struggle to sleep because of my stiff neck in my head. Do not put those... Well, actually, Rose, you're getting more sleep at home because the children are sleeping so long than I am because you know I struggle to sleep because of my stiff neck in hotel rooms. It's not even my stiff neck. I've got it in my own head, Rob. I just can't sleep in a hotel room. I just can't do it.

I'm on the CBD oil. I'm on the valerian herbal tea. Double bagging the valerian herbal tea. And I'm just lying there. Just lying there, unable to sleep. It's a nightmare. It's a living nightmare. You were in hotels a lot for work.

How much sleep are you getting at night then? About four or five hours. Right. I just can't sleep in a hotel. Do you feel vulnerable? No, it's not even that I feel vulnerable. Don't put that in my head. I don't need that extra worry.

Do you feel vulnerable and horny? I'm sorry, I meant it's vulnerable and alone. I don't feel vulnerable and horny. No, I don't. No, the problem is I'm just in the hotel. Yeah. And I just think, oh, I'm not going to be able to sleep. And once I've thought that, it's fucking game over.

So you've basically sort of stayed right. It's in your own head. I'm nervous when I go to bed. I'm more nervous for the sleep than the gig. That is really, that's beyond of stage fright. It's in your own head. I'm nervous when I go to bed. I'm more nervous for the sleep than the gig. That is really... That's beyond my pay scale, that. I don't know how you fucking sort that out. I'm going to bed and I'm like,

right, this is it. Come on, then. Let's do this. Let's go to sleep. And I'm like, by the time I'm doing that, it's fucking over, mate. What about... Okay, have you tried having a bath or a shower before bed?

No, that wakes you up, doesn't it? No, I find it changes my state. So if I'm in that state of all sweaty and I've done the gig... You can see this. I've got a bath in my room. Literally, look at that. I have a little bath in there. Yeah.

And what I would do is don't get too hot. What I would do is have a bath and then I have a shower to actually wash. You don't really wash in a bath. And then I'd do it a bit colder. like it won't you're awake you get a cold shower it's not killing i find it changes your body's state so and then you want to get in cozy and warm in bed and you feel all clean it's all fresh sheets so you want to i can't get in fresh sheets without being having a shower only person who has ever said you're struggling to sleep you need to have a cold shower right Right, okay. Is it working for you at the moment

with your fucking double bagger and your CBD oil? I'm going to have a cold shower tonight, see how it goes. But what I do, because I don't like, whenever there's, my rule is,

if it's clean sheets on the bed at home or in a hotel, I've got to get in the bed clean. It's the only fair. Really? And then you'll slip, you'll be all clean and shiny and you'll slip into those sheets.

I don't want that. Stop talking like this. You're trying to make yourself sound sexy. It's weird. You're going to love yourself up. You'll be a big frothy body, and then you're going to clean it all off, nice cold shower,

and then you're going to slide into that bed and think of me. Oh, my God. And have a lovely sleep. Oh, God. Oh, God. I'll let you know how it goes. We got woken up. This was the thing.

We? You were in the room? In the house. Oh, a real intruder? Like a We got woken up. This was the thing. We? In the room? In the house. Oh. A real intruder? Like a burglar? 1am. 1am.

The cats go mental. Right. And I'm like, woken up. You know, like a cat going, that kind of cat noise. It sounds a bit like foxes banging, doesn't it? Yeah, it sounds like foxes banging. And I'm like, oh, my God, what's going on here?

Creep out of the bedroom. So what are you wearing? What am I wearing? Just a kind of negligee, really. Just a kind of silky night. Silky little, like, yeah, strappy number. Is it just pants? The arse cut out as well.

So it's sexy. Just two little buttons that you can undo and it flaps back up. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Like the boot of an old car yeah so what you went set the scene

you think there could be a bird at this point I'm in my pants have you got a weapon oh bloody right I have mate thanks for asking so have you got anything in case it's any true

no no so I creep out the room and then So have you got anything in case it's any true? No, no, no. So I creep out the room and then pegging it down the stairs from upstairs comes a cat that isn't ours. 1am. How many cats have you got? You've got two, yeah? Two. And I'll come out to both black and a ginger cat runs past me. Runs past you.

Up the stairs. Down the stairs, leaving. Leaving, okay, that's good. I know the cat. I know his name. He's called Logan. He's a lovely cat. Right, yeah.

And he lives two doors down yeah and uh flies past leaves like straight out the house and i'm like how the fuck has he got in yeah right so as he's gone out the cat flap gone out the cat flap anyway our cat flaps broken we've got one of those chip cap you know the cat flaps yeah yeah it's broken it's open house for all the cats free house house party it's a free house for all the cats. Free house. House pipe. It's a free house for all the cats. It's a house pipe. He's seen it on Cat Book and he's gone. And his gate crashed. Do you know what? A couple of times in the last couple of weeks I've come down and I've gone,

have the cats pissed in here? I think his neighbour cats have been pissing in our kitchen. Yeah, so this happened to us. Ours did that. And then that other cat kept on coming in. It was either shitting in our house or it was scaring Alan so he wouldn't go outside and was shitting in the house. Yeah, basically, Rob. We're living in an open house situation

where cats are coming in and intimidating our cats. And we can't do anything about it. We can change your cat flap. Yeah, well, we can do something about it. We can change our cat flap. All right, let's put it another way. We haven't done anything about it. So don't they get on with logan and they were fighting

they're all right but i don't know what happened they've been fucking kicked off at 1am when logan was kicking around so that was terrifying and i couldn't get back to sleep for an hour and a half it's like being in a hotel classic josh just gonna go back to sleep it's your catchphrase so when are you back are you uh you're soon? I'm in Edinburgh recording this in Edinburgh and then I'm in Cardiff tomorrow. I've got my seven hour train journey tomorrow, Rob. I'll let you know how that goes.

Oh God, brutal. But I'm delighted. I can't wait. That sounds shit. I'm not flying. No, it doesn't. I've had to fly to Inverness, Rob. You're actually like an old person.

You know an old person that doesn't like flying anymore? I do. Or like can't sleep anywhere, needs a big jumper. We walked down to the plane. Yeah. You know when you walk down that kind of big tube thing

that you walk down to get to the plane? Yeah. Got to the plane and they were like, turn around, there's a technical fault, go back and wait more. And then you can see them fucking fixing the engine of the plane and you're like, I don't know about this. Well, you'd rather them fix it and leave it, wouldn't you? Well, that's what I thought, yeah.

It's bad that they fixed it, but still you're not, you're not, I did not enjoy that journey. That was London to Inverness. Inverness. Yeah. Oh, I think it's our message about your Inverness show. Here we go. Refund is a subject.

Oh, here we go. Hi, Rob and Josh. I'm currently sitting in the audience of Josh's Inverness tour show at Eden Court, a wonderful arts venue we are so lucky to have here to host the likes of you both. Yeah, I'm up there later in the year. I'm three days overdue with our second baby, so this ticket was a last-minute treat. I'm now 32 and have held a grudge for the majority of my life. In primary one or two, age five or six, two of my classmates, in inverted commas, Oh.

Oh. out not being masterminds to cover up at this age and made and were made to apologize but having then grown up together in a small community i have never managed to accept this apology or forgive to my shame when we were around 20 i informally gave one of them a very bad reference when they applied for a job in a shop which i worked in i maintained she would not have been a good addition to the team. Great grudge. Great grudge. Thanks for a splendid podcast. Robin Mumter Thorfin. Thorfin.

Thorfin, age two and impending new baby. Good luck with the baby. Well done with the grudge. Thank you. She must have enjoyed your show. That was pre-show, that email. Pre-show. She hasn't emailed afterwards to say,

also, I enjoyed the show. She might be having the baby. Yeah, she might be having the baby.show, that email. Pre-show. She hasn't emailed afterwards to say, also, I enjoyed the show. She might be having the baby. Yeah, she might be having the baby. It was that funny. Before the guest, Rob, we should say on the subject of live comedy. Oh, yes. Today is the day.

Three more live dates have gone on sale now. Go online if it's after 10am. And if you want to see Parenting Hell live, we are at Nottingham Motorpoint Arena on the 19th of April next year. The day after we're at Cardiff

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Yes, so you can get your tickets there. Get your tickets now because people were saying you know, we're only doing manchester on the o2 so now we've changed things a bit not in them cardiff and wembley but yeah can't wait for it joshua um right should we introduce our guest um the wonderful jermaine genus ex tottenham yes nottingham forest ex newcastle currentshow host, match of the day, he timed it. He's making a real sidestep to just general TV.

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Buy it today at major retailers. Thanks for joining us, Jermaine. Can you let us know, how old are your kids? You've got two? No, I've got four. Four? Kids, yeah. Four.

I've got 14-year-olds. No wonder you're doing loads of telework. The one show, the morning show. Just doing what I can just to get out of the house, personally. I've got a 14-year-old, I've got a 9-year-old, I've got a 6-year-old, and he's five months old now, the baby. Really nicely spaced out. Every four or five years, you go, do you know what?

Why not? Let's go again. Actually, I said six-year-old. She's five. I'll get in trouble for that. She's five. She's six this year. Yeah, the third girl.

Three girls and a boy. But you're right. It is carnage. I'm not going to lie. Three girls and a boy. Blimey. How is it being back at five months? Scary, but also quite nice. In a weird way, out of all the kids that I've had,

this is the baby that I'm, I was actually prepared for and ready for, and probably mature enough to handle and understand everything. Whereas, you know, when I'm a 14, now 14 year old, I mean, I was, you know, a 20 year old lad playing Premier League football, playing for England. And you think you can just solve everything with money. You're not actually, you're nowhere near ready to be having a child. My 14-year-old with my ex. Yeah.

So we... Do they still live in the States? Is that right? Yeah, yeah. So they live in America. Correct, yeah. So she lives in America now and she comes over during the summer periods and at Christmas and stuff like that. But, you know, those periods during my life, I was just like,

well, I've got a kid, what do I do? But then most kids my age would panic. And I went, well, you know, at this particular point in my life, I've got plenty of money, I've got a house. All of the things you worry about, I had naturally. But the one thing i didn't have was the kind of that maturity that patience that understanding so i just kind of built things around me like i've got a mom to quit work a sister came to live with me my sister lived with

me i just had a house that's full of people just to help the scenario rather than being a parent you know? That's interesting. When did you kind of realise that that's what you'd done? Not until I would say only about five, six years ago. You know, when, I don't know, every now and again, you have those periods in your life where you just kind of take stock. And I think lockdown for everybody was probably one of those moments where

you just kind of like took stock of things that are going on. And we were very fortunate during lockdown. You know, we, you know, for me personally, I got to kind of spend more time with the kids, spend more time at home, spend more time with the wife and stuff. And yeah, I think we just, through having that conversations over a couple of nights, it was just like, you know, I think she just asked me one time, something like, what was it like having a baby at that age? Cause she was young and she was scared my now wife you know when she

start first started having kids and i didn't you know that didn't compute to me just how nervous she was going to be but you know you think you're ready for these moments and then they actually arrive in your life uh 20 you're a baby you're still a baby yourself at 20 aren't you well this is the thing you just i don't And also, I don't know what your experiences were like, but when you're in hospital and you have the kids and it's just, it is literally just like, there you go. Yeah. Deal with that.

And you're like, I mean, I remember the first one just being like, what the hell do you do? Like, how do I feed, when do I feed it? How much do I feed it? What am I supposed to do? I don't like, I mean, by the lad now, I'm just picking up by his leg and swinging him around, putting his clothes on,

eat that, drink that. People are looking at me like, what's going on? Like, I'm like, it's fine, mate.

It is sound. Don't worry about that. That must have been a really like mad point of your life because, you know, I remember at the time when you got signed, it was like for 5 million or something. And it was like, it was big news. Wasn't you one of the most expensive teenagers or something?

Was that a record you held? Yeah, I think I was the third most expensive teenager in the world at that particular time. It was like R9 Brazilian Ronaldo went from PSV to Barcelona. Robbie Keane went from Coventry to Inter Milan for nine million. And then it was me. And it was mad. Honestly, it was carnage.

I remember arriving in Newcastle and it was like, press are following me all over the place. I've got into my hotel room and I just thought, right, a couple of minutes to myself and I'd already done my press conference that day, but I just got back to my hotel room, I'm putting on

what's going on on the telly and it was just like me, Sky News, me on this, me on that i was just like this is it was crazy i'm like and when i got back to my room like nike for example sent me i mean the product was mental it was like it walked into my room it was from floor to ceiling of just like trainers tracksuit boots just everything you can imagine they just sent me it was just know, a dream at the time. And I loved it. I was 18 years old. You've got that at the moment with Blacks,

the mountaineering shop, haven't you, Rob? Oh, yes. I moaned about a backpack from Blacks and they'd be ringing me up trying to, like, apologise. I'd talk about it. I actually felt really bad in the end. Basically, I bought a backpack and they ordered it online for me in the shop

and then I have to go back to the shop to get a refund. And I was like, can't they just refund my card? I moaned about it. I've had five phone calls from all the different people from Blacks. They wanted to send me a backpack. I was like, no, I'll just explain the policy. And I just thought, how boring is my fucking life

that I'm talking about a complaint with a mountaineering shop? That is quite funny because, you know, when you're talking about like products and stuff like that, you know, when you're talking about products and stuff like that, you just heard me briefly before we came on to talk on the pod about this baby chair that I'm trying to currently put up in the room. And that's why I was late getting to the pod. Basically, it's a stoke baby chair.

It's a really stylish one, right? That goes right next to the kitchen table. Apparently, your child can grow. As they grow, they grow with you and can have dinner with you and whatever and they're part of the family and like i'm sorry there's such bollocks in it all of that just like we've got we've got that one i've just googled it yeah and it's got like 5 000 attachments that you have to put to it yeah and it's funny because the first thing i do when i get all these things i go on youtube and i go right this is the easiest way because the

instructions are always a pain in the ass so i go right went on youtube and it was funny because you've got like a load of mums who come on who are like so i've got my uh new stoke baby chair this is how i'm going to put it together they're really like calm there's like a couple of dads that are on youtube and they'll go the first line of one of them was like um i just want to say sorry about the mess uh ignore the mess um it's difficult for a dad doing this on his own he was like really stressed out yeah i'm not gonna watch this video mate sorry i'm gonna go back to the car whenever i put the youtube videos on i part of me is going this absolute loser doing the youtube video what a fucking loser and the other part of me is going this person is my only hope like this is this person is all i've got in the world

they literally are though they literally are that's you've absolutely hit the nail on the head like who takes time out of their day to set these things up but then they are the saviour at times. The Americans are better though, I trust the Americans on it when it's an English bloke I always feel sorry for them when it's like, hey I'm Chad Warrington and you join me in my garage here

and it's a black guy yeah I'm trying to put it together I can't do it with their English But what will always happen to me is I'll get two thirds of the way through and I'll be thinking, this isn't quite making sense. And then I'll be like, oh, Chad's got a 3.4 and I've got a 3.6. This is a complete fucking write-off. There's one too many holes in the 3.6.

The whole thing's a... So what do you do then? Do you just kind of stick with it at that point and just like wing it? My mate took his pram to Halfords. No, he didn't. Oh, come on. Tom Crane? Ellis.

Ellis James. Ellis James. Took his pram to Halfords. You might have met Ellis, Jermaine. I think I have met Ellis, yeah. He's a professional Welsh football fan. Yes, I've met Ellis. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I've met Ellis a couple of times, yeah. He took his pram to Halfords. That is pathetic. Oh, my word. If you can. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I've met Ellis. Yeah, a couple of times. He took his brother to Alfred's. That's pathetic. Oh, my word. If he can do that, that is brilliant. It's quite funny, he started playing

five-a-side football with me. I play with the school dads and he wrote an article about how much he wants to play five-a-side this year and how much fun it gives him and he's going to do it as much as possible.

He played three games, he's done his knee, not played two. Honestly. Three times in a week because he was over-exc he's done his knee not played sin honestly three times in a week because he was overexcited done his knee

and he's not played sin he's OD'd on five-a-side football yeah way too much people ask me all the time like since retiring like don't you still

play football don't you still I'm like no I don't and I'm like look I miss playing like elite football

granted I miss going to training when my body felt great. I miss kind of like those big North London derbies, right? But the way my body feels now, absolutely not. I've got no interest in running around and pulling another calf or tearing another hamstring or rupturing another ligament in my knee. No, thank you. So I have these stories, not if it's not just school dads,

but my mates who are still hanging on to that dream of getting to the first round of the FA Cup. And they just, the amount of times, they'll just turn up

with crutches and these boots. It's violent. Falkside's violent. I played a load of scaffolders once and gas fitters. There's always one

that had trials at Brighton or something and he's going in hardcore because it's his Wembley. If you can imagine why I turned up after that. Like my mates used to say to me when I was playing at a professional level, they used to say to me, I can't wait till you retire so that we can play in like a game of a similar level and I can smash you.

And I was like, that's what, they just couldn't wait. I think you need new mates. No, one of them. My best mate. I'd go and watch him play and I'd like that's what they just couldn't wait I think you need new mates no one of them my best mate I'd go and watch him play and I'd be like I don't think you realise how slow you actually are like

I would see you coming a mile off do you have you done like school sports days and stuff like have you been in the dad's race and stuff not done a sports day yet

I've missed a couple through being away with work and stuff like that and then i think the one that we went to that the kids were that young they didn't quite do appearance one it was one of those sports days where it's just like hula hoops and throwing the beanbags in places and stuff like that i'm i am like don't get me wrong i'm ready and waiting for that like

i'm 100 gonna do it yeah i'm still that guy I'm not getting beat no no no I'm not getting beat was you known for your pace Jermaine excuse my ignorance I had I say I had that

deceptive pace that pace that you couldn't you know you didn't see it coming and then and then someone said to me that's because it never came and I was like

yeah but I suppose it's relative right you're playing against professional footballers rather than a dad at school. You would think that, but there's always that dad in me. I was listening to Crouch's podcast.

The Fast Dad. Yeah, he had that similar experience, didn't he, where the ex-rugby player, we've got a couple of them at our school, an ex-rugby player, an ex rugby player and an ex this, an ex that. I'd have to get myself finally tuned up. Do you know what I mean?

Yeah. There'd be some training going in. I'd definitely be taking part and I couldn't, if I got beat in front of my kids, I don't think I could go back.

No, that would be awful. Because also like, I'm kind of like seen like on the school run still as, oh, you know, the footballer and I've done assemblies at the school and stuff

and the kids know me. Oh, what's that like? Well, the assembly was funny. I mean, I do quite- Is it like doing the one show basically? Is it similar? You know what, right? Definitely not.

But, you know, me getting into kind of what I'm doing now, whether it's like punditry or television, a lot of it started for me through going into schools. So I've got an education recruitment company that I've had for 10 years that me and my best friend have got where we supply teachers to schools. And one of the things with it for me, the reason I wanted to help with kids and to raise their aspiration levels a lot, because where I grew up there was a

lot of kind of like walls mentally in terms of this is where you grow up you know you work there or you can go and work for the council or you can get yourself a flat on the council get yourself on the dole gym that were they were literally i remember people having conversations and celebrated the fact that they got a council flat and it was like god i need to go back here and just try and open people's minds up and stuff so i started kind of like in my local where i grew up clifton then i started going into nottingham uh going into schools and doing these talks but i'd go to a school and i'd say right you know i'm going to come to a classroom and have a chat with the kids and the the school would go oh oh, we've got a better idea.

And I'd go in and it'd be a whole assembly of the whole school and you'd be like, shit, this is sink or swim time. And I'm sure you've both been there as like comedians and stuff as well when you kind of just got to just fucking go with it, really. You can't just, you can't sit there and crumble. I wouldn't fancy an assembly. I wouldn't fancy an assembly at all. This is the thing, like, kids are so honest,

like, literally, one will just fall asleep, like, literally just lay down on his friend and go to sleep. Someone will start heckling. I had this kid one time, I did one in London, and this kid was like, and usually the questions are like, how much money have you got? This, that, and the other.

And this kid stood up and he's gone. I've got a question, Jermaine. Is that your car parked outside? And I was like, yeah, yeah. But you know, you've got to work hard to get it. He went, no, no, no. You've left your lights on. And so you always get that smart-ass kid

as well at school, which I'm sure you two probably were those kids, actually. I just saw the quiet one in the corner making notes. A lot of what I do stems from that. A lot of what I do stems from that. A lot of what I do stems from that, weirdly enough. It's like practice. Would you go into your own kids' schools, or would they be too ashamed?

I've done my own kids' school. One of the teachers has pulled me one day, and they were doing a Duke of Edinburgh thing at the school, and they wanted me to go in there and do a talk on resilience. So over the years, obviously, I've learned the tricks of how to kind of, whether I need to. Yeah, you played for Tottenham, you must be... Why did I set you up like that? Oh no, I've got no defence against you. You learn a lot about, you know, defeat and coming back to, you know,

win a game, lose a game, win a game, lose a game. Oh, don't. It's heartbreaking at the minute. It really is. It's destroying me watching them. Yeah, we're going to do this talk and the way that I've kind of learnt

to get away with it now is I do, and don't take the piss here either, I do, I put up like a montage of the goals that I've scored, basically. And then the kids obviously sit there and go, oh my God,

wow, you play football and you score goals here and there, wow, amazing. So then by the time you start talking,

they don't care, it's fine, do you know what I mean? So my kids, they sat in there, one of them put their hand up and asked something cute like,

am I a good little sister or whatever and it was nice, it was cool. How old was she, your daughter, at that assembly? She was, that was the five-year-old i only did it five years six months ago oh really yeah it was recent how much how much more hands-on are you now still working but it's not as intense as when you're a footballer and obviously you're older now and a bit more mature

and you know know what is expected how much parenting are you doing on a day-to-day basis um i've got to be careful because my missus is walking around i could lie i'm doing it all which is gonna be at the door your door's gonna fly open and go uh no look um so i'll do kind of like school run wise i do most of the school runs because it kind of fits into my day so like most mornings i'll get off whatever their breakfast take them to school um but then i'll go and do the one show monday to wednesday so by like 2 30 i'm kind of gone so yeah i'm not doing pickups i'm not doing bath times and so on so but which is um good and bad it's good obviously in terms of the way that i i get the mornings of them and i get to go to work. And also good in a way that come Thursday,

you're craving them again, if you know what I mean. I'm like, I want to do bath time and I want to do this and I want to do that. And they miss you. So I would say it's a good 70-30 square. We're not going to push you on a number here because this could ruin the next couple of weeks. A lot of people listen to this, Jermaine.

Should we be fearing it from people at the shops? on her number here because this could ruin the next couple of weeks. A lot of people listen to this, Jermaine. She'll be telling, she'll be fearing it from people at the other shops. Here, apparently 70%. 70%, he reckons. In her favour. In her favour. Oh, yeah, of course.

Yeah, definitely. Have you got a video montage of your best parenting moments that you can forward to us? Definitely not. Definitely not. Look, you know, what's it like for you lot?

I wouldn't say that's a million miles from my experience in terms of I wouldn't want to publicly put a number on it Jermaine I'd say it's hard to do it on an aggregate because the diary changes so much but I'd definitely say 70-30 is a fair representation

but then it does shift the other way in half terms and stuff if I'm not working but but if you're going to work yeah holidays and stuff like that you see like holidays like me like i'm a morning person so like i'll get up like my missus will sleep in i'll get up getting ready getting down to the pool taking to the beach and i'm like get you know come down when you want you know that balances things out we might be moving into a 60 40 situation someone's getting confident here so in lockdown your daughter in america did you not see her for ages then was it a massive you know what was weird we didn't see her for a period of time uh so the first lockdown in march i'm talking about here the very first one no but she wasn't due to come over then anyway yeah we managed to get her over that summer oh you know that's good there was there was some like special kind of like like um things uh put

in place for situations exactly like that by uh each government to still allow kind of like children to you know see parents and so on and so forth or family members in certain circumstances so she yeah so she came over during that period and just was in the house doing whatever. But then in the, I think in the second one, towards summer, she ended up not being able to go back. So it worked out better. She ended up staying for about four or five months in the end.

Oh, brilliant. Which was great. Yeah, I mean, she is like... Is she American? How long has she been there? So she's been there since she was five. So she's a proper American kid then? Oh my God, literally.

It's a war. I mean, I've already spoke about accents and languages in my house. You can imagine how weird it sounds. We've got bath and bath. And then my 14-year-old will come in and she'll go, oh, daddy, can I have a popsicle? And I'll just look at her like, what is a popsicle? And it got to the point where I just stopped answering her.

So she'd walk in the kitchen like, daddy, can I have some soda? And I'll just blank her. And then eventually she gets the gist of it and she goes, oh, daddy, can I have a lemonade? And I go, yeah, go to the fridge and have a lemonade. Until you start speaking to me in English, I'm not talking to you. All of her friends are American. She goes to American school every single day.

It's inevitable. Yeah, of course. It's all good fun. Are they any good at sport, your kids? My eldest is in England. She is like... So is she going to play for America or England? You're obsessed with sportsmen and women, Josh.

I love it. It's basically, how long can he wait until he finds out there's going to be a next athlete? Mate, I'm not really here for the parenting. I'll let you in on a secret. After you, Jermaine, we're interviewing Kate Lawler. I'm going to be on Big Brother three minutes in. That's how it works.

I'll be honest, she likes, she prefers England. She openly will say that. She prefers England. She'll say to me now, like, when I go to university, dad, I want to come back to England

and go to university in England and stuff like that. And you're like, there's a problem with the fees on that. If you could do it in America, that'd be it. Let's get you a scholarship and you can, you know,

slot you in nicely but I mean I've even got like so my my dad moved to America when I was like 11 years old and

he remarried and had two more daughters and my youngest she's a footballer she's a good footballer as well she was playing for like Helsinki

in the Champions League so your your sister so your dad your sister so your dad's youngest daughter yeah my dad's youngest daughter sorry yeah and she has this crazy like affiliation with like england she's like you know she's full american grown up in america her whole life and will categorically say like if the opportunity came i would choose england over america all day long oh really so yeah so even my dad's done a great job.

It must be horrible over there. It must be so mad. It must be so mad seeing your kids that have this sort of lifestyle and stuff. Like you say, when you grew up in Nottingham, I think I spoke to you before about Jermaine Pennant. Because you knew Jermaine, didn't you? Yeah, yeah, really did. Because he started from Notts County and went to Arsenal.

He was supposed to be a Wayne Rooney type figure. And he had a good career, played for Liverpool and stuff. But he never really hit those heights. And I was saying to you, he never really went on. And you explained to me that from where he came from, which is very, very humble beginnings to even beyond that. I mean, it's not my position to talk about it. You were there.

But he actually did achieve so much by sort of just getting out of that and coming to professional football. And it's all sort of relative really about success. It is. It is. And you know what? It's funny because with all my kids now, and I'm not going to say just my son either,

but I think a lot of people talk about my son being a footballer just because he's a guy, but I'd love all my kids to go on and be footballers or athletes or, you know, just be successful. Or host the one show. Host the one show. Who knows? The big thing for me that concerns me, I suppose, is where are they going to get that drive from?

Where are they going to get that need from? I didn't have a choice, really. Like, Jermaine Pennant, he didn't have a choice. There was like no options. You used to pick him up. Didn't you have to pick him up to go training like you your family used to pick him up on the way to train football training yeah so there was times when we had games and my mom would be like right you know and jermaine was like i was a good footballer as a kid don't get me wrong

jermaine was the best like he was the best player at our age and probably two years above in nottingham by a mile it wasn't even close so you wanted to collect him because you knew if you had him on your team you was going to win like it's guaranteed what age was this Jermaine this would have been we played in the same team together for about three years from the age of I would say like 9 to 12 something like that I would go knock on his door about the age of say like 9 or 10 and um his dad would come to the door and just be like, I don't know where he is. I'd be like, excuse me. He's like, this is the morning.

Where is he? And he'd be like, we didn't come back last night. I'd be like, what? And you'd end up like traveling around his area looking for him. And you'd just always find him on the street playing football. He stayed at his nan's house or a mate's house. He always had his boots with him. And you'd get his boots, get him in the car,

go and play the game. And then he'd either come and chill with me for the day or whatever, and then you'd drop him back later. It was crazy. But at that particular time, if you think about what he's doing every single minute of the day, all he's doing is playing football. It was his only escapism. And it was similar for me.

Whereas, like, with my kids, it's like, you know, probably some ipads and flipping this and that and you know anything they want basically you know that that going out in the rain and practicing and honing in your football skills my kids look outside they go it's raining today dad yeah i'll get the ipad out all i try to do is trying to like instill as much of myself in them as I possibly can. So, you know, whether that, I think the hard work is a big thing for me. And it's part of the reason I work so hard,

because I want my kids to visually see that what they have, it's not come just from me playing football. It's not come just because our dad played football at a period of time and've got a nice house it's like no my dad's hardly ever at home and when they complain about why aren't you at home or why aren't you this i'm like because if you you want to go a nice holiday you want to go to school you want to do this you want these nice things i'm working this is the work ethic that i want you to see is necessary for you to achieve anything in life. I try and have these competitive things going on in the house,

whether it's educational or whether it's sport, you know, really celebrating when they've been successful. Like my five-year-old came on the other day with a certificate going, Daddy, I've got 20 blue stars. And I was like, put it up on the wall. Like we celebrate it. But then, you know, I'll get another phone call from the teacher going, Oh, Olivia, who's my youngest might have a problem. She basically categorically said she's not doing any work today in school and

proceeded just to rip up tissue and paper just at will. And it's like, well, yeah, I mean, she's five, so I'm not going too hard on her. And to be fair, she's like out of the whole, all of the kids, she's the one who, she's the little frigga, but she has you in hysterics the most out of all of them because she's just okay. She's got this... She's a rock star.

Yeah, she's got this thing in her where she's just solid. It's weird because out of all of them, she's the one already I'm like, you're going to be sound. I can tell by your character, you're going to be okay. She's just got like, you know, a strong heart, the kid. Do you worry though, like it could go the other way, where when you say that you want to set an example of working hard and if you want this holiday, you have to go out and work. Do you not worry that could instill sort of guilt on the kids

where they're like, oh, dad's having to go to work again because of we want a holiday you know that it's a fine balance isn't it of setting an example but also you know they're very sensitive kids if they think that you know they're the reason why you've got to go to work it can be a bit overwhelming for some kids yeah a hundred percent and you know i've never really thought about it like that if i'm totally honest with you um i'm you know i'm constantly learning along the way and what i've always done as a as a parent and in in terms of trying to show my kids the best possible route that i can is i always i relate everything back to sport i don't know why but sport gave me everything in terms of like the discipline in my life the understanding of what

it takes to get to an elite level of something not just a good level of something and all i can do is think about those moments about what i did in those times and trying to deliver it to them in a way that it's not it's not about football if you know i mean it's about life and doing it in a kid-friendly way so you know like yesterday or whatever it is or when was it tuesday my daughter had this kind of like drama recital thing that she had to go to so she's done this i don't know you lot might know these terms better than me the court is it called a jewel like a jewel where two people are doing a scene together and it's in front of this like official like adjudicator in the watford area and And they've got this whole monologue going on.

But then the guy, I know it's pretty serious, but then the- Is this the five-year-old? No, this is the nine-year-old. I was going to say, fucking hell. No wonder she's dripping tissue. I'd be in bits. This is the thing. It's pretty intense.

Do you know what I mean? But we're going to school and she's panicking because she's like, you're going to be there. What about if I forget my lines? What about this? What about this? What about that? So my head goes, right, drill it in. Like the only way you're not going to fail is if you practice, practice,

practice, practice, practice, because that is how life works. If you drill it into the point where you've got it nailed, you're not going to fail. So like all that night before, in the car, all the way, we get to school, I park up 10 minutes before, in the car, all the way, we get to school, I park up 10 minutes before, I'm like, do it again,

do it again, slow down. Honestly, I am like, I am like drill sergeant. I'm like, you're talking too fast. Talk with like,

with more, like I'm not going in. Anyway, so she's going to school a bit like, oh my God, he's just like tore me apart. We go to the recital or whatever and she wins. Yeah, it was amazing

like and she comes out celebrating and all the teachers and the class are like wow you were amazing and i'm like see told you that that why did that happen that didn't happen because you just sat there on your ass and didn't do anything it happened because you worked your ass off so that's what you gotta keep doing that's just how i it. Do you have to mediate that sort of approach? Do you have a one-size-fits-all approach? Is that how you deal with all of them? Or do certain kids that you need to be dealt with differently, do you find?

Like footballers that need an arm around their shoulder. I wouldn't respond well to that. That would have overwhelmed me and panicked me because I'm better if I prepare less, but I'm enjoying it. Where some people absolutely love lowing every line and that's the perfect way to prepare i've seen that comedy inactive yeah josh

good to see you thank you for coming out i don't know i've got like theories on these things and don't get me wrong they're very like you know my my nine-year-old was my wife's first child, right? So she has been like so precious to everyone. Like literally there's a breeze outside. Oh no, can't take her outside today. There's two germs out there. We can't go and do this. Or, well, you know, a set of steps.

Well, let me carry you down the steps type mentality. And I'm just like the opposite of that. I'm very much like jump down the steps if you want to jump down the steps, slide down that banister have some fun but you know i'm trying to like i'm trying to get away all of those tensions that she has and anxieties that she has in her life by freeing her up and i know what's going to free her up it's confidence and she just she just lacks a bit of confidence because she's scared of everything so i'm like right let's get this kid some confidence

by winning basically yeah by achieving something and i mean like coming second or even coming third and getting a certificate you know not like be number one all the time but then i'm building layers in her to kind of like go oh i actually am quite good and i am quite this and then and that's what the other day was really she had a really kind of like eureka moment where it was like wow I've got I'm feel confident I can see this yeah she walks around the house different in your own childhood is that like what were you like as a kid did you have this inbuilt confidence in the drive or did you find it that's exactly what I was I was I was I was almost like her I shy. You know, I was raised by my mum, really, and my older sister. But my dad instilled some things in me which were very much like

what I'm doing now, which was quite cold-hearted. You're either good enough or you're not. Like, I'd come off from games having scored a match trick, and he would just pull me apart and be like, well, you should have scored four. What about that that you missed? You didn't make that run. And I'd be in tears apart and be like, well, you should have scored four. What about that that you missed? You didn't make that run. And I'd be in tears and I'd go home and my mum would have to piece me all back together.

But then as I grew and got older, I would draw on those experiences of, you know, if I didn't get picked for England, for example, as a kid, I wouldn't be in tears about it. I'd be like, well, I'm obviously, I need to work harder. I need to do something. Something that's kicked in in that way again it's kind of like back to that mentality of sport and what it gave me and the experiences it gave me just little bits like that that you know i'm trying to knit together and just give to the kids and see how they do yeah i think sometimes sometimes like if you're talking to us a bit like lacking that confidence or a little bit anxious

about stuff i was like that where i could sit and talk about something for hours and hours and it wouldn't make it better it just made me feel worse but just by getting up and doing it you know and i know you helped with lines but you want to be sensitive and go oh don't do it then if you don't want to do it but then if i took that approach i'd never would have done comedy i won't be sat here talking to you i wouldn't i didn't want to do it it really scared me but but by doing it you're sort of facing your fear and it makes you feel so much more confident when I first did stand up it was like sort of doing a parachute jump or something you know like it was almost like a bucket list ticked off of like I've done that or whatever it is you want to do if it you know absolutely whatever the thing is you want to do

that's scary I did it and I was like oh I've done that I've got such a buzz from it and that built my confidence of just yeah really not even how well the gig went, just getting on the stage. But I was going to ask, when you played football, did you enjoy it? Were you enjoying yourself or was it the relief of winning or the game ending? Or, you know, because it's so high pressure. And you used to get upset when your dad, when you look back on your career, do you feel like you was enjoying those moments or you getting through them the best you could? I enjoyed 90% of my career, no matter what.

The last 10%, which was the end of my career no matter what uh the last 10 which was the end of my career i would go as far to say i hated um really it was well i kept getting injured i wasn't playing at a level that i wanted to play because my body won't allow me to do it i wasn't playing at the football club that i wanted to play at i i'd accepted the end basically and it was it was depressing and then the feeling of anxiety you have when you're going onto a football pitch knowing your body's not going to make it is horrible and you know and that that then plays its own kind of part in the injuries as well because you're so uptight and you're so anxious thinking please body survive please body survive but you

inevitably too tense and tear a muscle. So the last 10% of it was horrible. But most of it, even weird things now, and I don't want any jokes again, please, Rob, but one of the people say to me about, tell me some things that you miss about football.

I even miss losing, right? I even miss losing games of football because losing a game of football, I used to come home and I'd be so pissed off. And I'd sit in the house and then the drive it would give you on a Monday morning to turn up to training and be like, that's not happening again this weekend.

I'm not having that. And you'd go into a dressing room environment that had a similar mentality that was like, let's work hard this week and let's get at it. And then you'd get the result at the end of that week and be like, that was amazing. So it's, you know, and then you have the flip side to that where you're winning, winning, winning, become complacent.

But I always, the losses were always the ones that I looked around, I enjoyed those like, right, let's see what everyone's about type moment. Or when we had those North London derbies, I always loved North London derbies i always loved north london derbies i don't know why i just loved them because the atmosphere was so tense like i remember walking around dressing rooms and looking at my teammates thinking oh my god i've never seen you look like this you look so scared and i would just go and sit down with them or just have a random chat and i'd just say something

like fuck me i'm nervous today and you could see them go oh god like if he's nervous thank god like somebody said it type thing you know i mean football's so like the bravado everyone's so macho and so like oh can't be nervous can't be. You've got to be so cool. Whereas it's the polar opposite of what you need. You just need honesty. You know, if someone comes up to you and goes, I am bricking it today. Let's talk it through. You'll be fine. We'll get through it together. And you know, those moments are what I miss

most about football. Because you played football from every England level from 16 or whatever. And you were presumably in an academy or whatever from the age of seven or whatever. And you were presumably in an academy or whatever from the age of seven or whatever. Do you feel like you missed out on certain things of your childhood and stuff?

No, nothing at all. If anything, I always look at it the other way around. You know, I feel like the experiences I had as a kid, because you have to remember, I loved football beyond belief. There was nothing else I wanted to do. Like, I turned down the opportunities of going to parties

and going to do other things because I was like I've got a game tomorrow and that's what I'm looking forward to doing don't get me wrong no

my mates used to go ice skating on a Friday night I'd go with them but whilst they were necking the bottle of 2020 I was just chilling and I

are you done yet or what yeah and Jermaine still scored but whilst they were necking the bottle of 2020, I was just chilling and I, are you done yet or what? Yeah. And Jermaine still scored more goals than you as well. Are you on a hangover? He functioned better on the 2020. Yeah. He could have played in skates.

Oh, trust me, he's done it before. I think you said it, but no, that, yeah, I don't look back at my childhood with anything, like joy really because i don't know i was just i was always playing football i always had my mates around

me i was always having fun you know you got to travel around the country and around europe as well with football you know yeah i mean i remember we went to belgium one year to play football when i was with forest i was like what the hell i'm going on a plane this is mad like you know this i never got to do any of those things that we wasn't the family that went spain every year you know it wasn't but what we did have when you find yourself on those kind of like council estates and you you have a lot of families that are similar to you it's a really kind of like tight-knit community that you kind of form in those summers, whether you go into a summer camp or whether you're just going,

you know, you've got the local match every single summer night on the school field or something. That's what I loved. And I loved all of that. So, you know, the parties, I don't really care about them when I was a kid, to be honest with you. It became more of a problem when I started playing I'm not going to lie

how do you feel about you're I mean you're not there yet I mean obviously your daughter's 14 in America but you're not there when she's going to a party or something

how do you feel about the thought of your dreading dreading it's hard to it's hard to tell something you can't wait that on Zoom isn't it

bye dad slam that shot deal with that. You know what? She turned up this summer with a boyfriend the first time. Oh, wow. So not actually with him,

but she sent me this message and it was a really coded message. And I was like, what's going on? Because she just WhatsAps me now. That's the really fun thing about the age she's at now. She talks to me like she's a mate.

She goes, how are you doing, Dad? And we the age she's at now. She talks to me like she's a mate. Like she does tech. Like, how you doing dad? And we're both like massive Marvel fans. So she'd be like, oh my God, this new Marvel film's coming out. And you know,

when we come back, I won't watch it until I see you anyway. So yeah, which is amazing. But then she, she said, oh, I've got something to tell you.

And I was like, here we go. What's everything going on here? She went, yeah, I've got this, um, I've got a boyfriend, uh, called Noah. And I'm just trying to stay on here? She went, yeah, I've got this, I've got a boyfriend

called Noah and I'm just trying to stay cool here. I'm just thinking fucking Noah is pretty. Fucking Noah. Yeah.

So she comes over and we have a little chat and I'm like, what's going on with Noah then? She's like, oh no, he's not like

the best looking but we get on really well and he's got a great personality and I was like, oh God, Noah, my list is over. She's like, oh no, he's not the best looking, but we get on really well. He's got a great personality. And I was like, God, you're so sweet. It's poor Noah. You're starting to melt a little bit here. But then I realized halfway through her trip, she's mugging the guy off completely because, well, I saw her phone one day and I'll be honest, I checked my daughter's phone. People can have their own opinions. I keep an eye on my kids online. That's what's going on. saw her phone one day and i'm like i'll be honest i checked my daughter's phone i don't people can have their own opinions like i keep an eye on my kids online that's what's going on so i don't but i didn't look at the messages i just looked i picked up the phone and she had 40 whatsapps

and i was like i said to her you know you've got like 40 messages here she went i know but he's annoying me like he won't stop messaging me and i thought lovely i'll take that so by the time she got home they were done they'd be done yeah that's that my journey with with all of that has just started and you know yeah before that it was the hormonal things with her that have started to kick in the mood swings have kicked in with her already oh really yeah yeah all of that part of her life is now taking course and you're just kind of like wow i've been talking about this and waiting for this to come but it's actually here now um and we're like really like open like she'll have those conversations with me like if she's comfortable but she tends to go to my wife um because that's how she feels most comfortable

to have those conversations but it's really it's a strange place to be as a dad, you know, with a 14-year-old daughter that's crossing over, basically, to becoming a woman. Oh, God, well, that's good advice with the boyfriend thing, to sort of keep quiet for a bit and let it play out. Yeah. Patience. Patience.

Oh, patience, definitely. Again, though, it's characters and what they're like. My eldest is cold. She's got like it might come down to her upbringing you know me and her mom split up when she was one years old she's gone between the two of us for a period of time so she understands almost relationships because she's grown up with separate parents um she's had the heartbreak of kind of when she goes back to america and she has to get taken away from me. Yeah, it's tough. The kids just developed this, like, strength, you know,

and I see it in her. Because I had the same thing when my dad left, where he'd go to America and I'd be, like, in tears. And, like, year two came and I was in tears. Year three. By year four, I was like, see you later, Dad. I'll see you when you're back. And that's what she's getting to that point now where she's just solid.

So like, I've got no concerns for her in terms of she's had a tough kind of start. So she's going to be all right. There's only one question we sort of end on, which you may or may not want to answer, depending on how your wife takes a 70-30, 60-50 split. But if there's one, basically, is there one thing that your partner does,

parenting-wise, that annoys you a little bit and you clash over? But she, you know, if she listened to this now, parenting-wise, that annoys you a little bit and you clash over? If she listened to this now, she'd go, okay, fair point. And the other question is, do you regret signing for Spurs? I won't say that. I will say that. I bumped into Arsene Wenger the other day, and I did say to him, why didn't you buy me?

Because there was a time when he was going to buy me. What did he say? He said, I should have bought you when you was at Forest. But he said, in the end, we had some good midfielders. I went, yeah, to be fair, Cess won bad, so let's move on. Yes. Fabregas is all right, so let's move on. But, right, for me, it would be just the constant kind of,

like the money coddling situation. Right, a little bit too soft. Way too soft. Way too soft. But you're quite harsh do you not think it's good to have that and then you find a happy medium together i think that's probably why it works if i'm totally honest with you you know i am very much get out go and roll around in the mud go and explore and and you know jump down slides and be rough and ready and whatever and she's just too soft in my opinion that's the one thing really that slightly annoys me.

Like kids getting carried downstairs. I mean, come on, like what is going on in the world? Like they're queens and princes. What age is too old to be carried down a stair? It's three months old. Should they be rolling down?

Boom, boom, boom. Hey, you got to toughen them up. Yeah. Jermaine, this has been brilliant. Thank you so much.

Thanks so much. It's been great. It's been an absolute joy. Jermaine Genus, JJ. Third most expensive teenager in the world at that point, Rob. I loved it when I asked him. And I was like, well, is that right? He went, yeah, yeah, yeah.

And then he explained the two above him, the prices and the clubs. He knew. You don't forget that, do you? Too bloody right. Lovely bloke. Really good. You've done the one show with him. Yes, very nice.

I've met him a few times. I've seen cuts of him as well. Really nice. So intense, though, athletes, aren't they? Just the way they talk. Even about parenting, it's so focused. You go, even if I was the best footballer in the world i've not got what it takes yeah like if i had all the skills in the world i still don't think i'd have made it as a professional

no well yeah and i think it's i do think it's that different thing of like with your body you do just have to drill it if you keep repeating the same thing within reason to make sure you have rest it will get better but i think when he was saying that stuff about his daughter and the acting and stuff like that i was like if that obviously worked for her and it was brilliant but for me i think i'd get so stressed in that car just keep repeating the lines and then there'd be no enjoyment of delivering the lines

if you've drilled it that hard no I'd be if that was my daughter I'd be like don't worry it doesn't matter you know it's only a bit

these things are meant to be enjoyed yeah and for that Rob that's why Jermaine Genis hosts the one show and I can't get on BBC One for love nor money, mate.

You did Who Do You Think You Are? Only because of King Henry VIII. I did Who Do You Think I... Oh, no. I did Who Do You Think... I've done the bloody wheel. You've done the wheel. You've been around it.

I've done blankety-blank. I was saying it for effect, Rob, but they were drawing attention to the fact that I was being bashful. You're the third most-used comedian on BBC One behind Bradley Walsh and Michael McIntyre. He's been bashful. But, no, most used comedian on BBC One behind Bradley Walsh and Michael McIntyre. He's being bashful. But no, it's so interesting, though, hearing that about how intense it is.

And it was really open as well at the beginning about being too young, having a kid and his daughter. It's lovely he's got that relationship with his daughter who lives in America and stuff. Yeah, it's just such a different world, though, athletes. The way everything for him is sort of like a focused plan of attack, sort of tactic, isn't it? Yeah, totally.

I don't think I've ever thought... I don't really think big game with the parenting. Do you know what I mean? I very much exist on a moment-to-moment basis and try to do my best. I haven't got long-term, this will mould the character plans. But maybe he knows, you know, he was a child, really, when he was coming up in the football academies and stuff, so maybe it worked for him.

I think also where Jermaine has come from, it really has informed how he has approached his life, that he's had to do this to get where he is. Oh, thank you to Jermaine. We'll be back on Tuesday. Yes, see you on Tuesday. Bye.