Rob Beckett and Josh Widdicombe's Parenting Hell - S04 EP30: James Bay

Episode Date: May 13, 2022

S04 EP30: James BayJoining us this episode to discuss the highs and lows of parenting (and life) is the singer-songwriter - James Bay. His new single 'One Life' is out now. And to find out tour dates and info go to; www.jamesbay.com BIG NEWS.... we're writing a book! ⭐ All the stories we can’t tell on the podcast – in depth.⭐ What it’s like to raise a stiff neck and a loose neck – straight from the horse’s mouth (our parents)⭐ And.. the BIGGEST REQUEST WE’VE EVER HAD FOR THE PODCAST… Hearing from our wives, Rose & Lou. They’ve got a chapter each and YOU can submit your burning questions to them... [e-mail]'s it really like to be a parent? And how come no one ever warned Rob or Josh of the sheer mind-bending, world-altering, sleep-depriving, sick-covering, tear-inducing, snot-wiping, bore-inspiring, 4am-relationship-straining brutality of it all? And if they did, why can't they remember it (or remember anything else, for that matter)?And just when they thought it couldn't get any harder, why didn't anyone warn them about the slices of unmatched euphoric joy and pride that occasionally come piercing through, drenching you in unbridled happiness in much the same way a badly burped baby drenches you in milk-sick?Join Josh and Rob as they share the challenges and madness of their parenting journeys with lashings of empathy and extra helpings of laughs. Filled with all the things they never tell you at antenatal classes, Parenting Hell is a beguiling mixture of humour, rumination and conversation for prospective parents, new parents, old parents and never-to-be parents alike.Find out everything you need to know, including how you could win a pair of tickets to the Parenting Hell LIVE tour & an overnight stay in London here: https://www.bit.ly/ParentingHellBookWe're going on tour!! Fancy seeing the podcast live in some of the best venues in the UK?Of course you do, you're not made of stone! Tickets available now on the dates and at the venues below. We can't wait to see you there...ON SALE NOW 14th April 2023 - Manchester AO Arena19th April 2023 - Nottingham20th April 2023 - Cardiff 21st April 2023 - London (The O2)23rd April 2023 - London (Wembley)28th April 2023 - Birmingham Utilita Arena If you want to get in touch with the show here's how:EMAIL: [e-mail]: @parenting_hellINSTAGRAM: @parentinghellA 'Keep It Light Media' Production Sales, advertising, and general enquiries: [e-mail] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hello, I'm Rob Beckett. And I'm Josh Willicombe. Welcome to Parenting Hell, the show in which Josh and I discuss what it's really like to be a parent, which I would say can be a little tricky. So, to make ourselves, and hopefully you, feel better about the trials and tribulations of modern day parenting, each week we'll be chatting to a famous parent about how they're coping. Or hopefully how they're not coping. And we'll also be hearing from you, the listener, with your tips, advice and, of course, tales of parenting woe.

Because, let's be honest, there are plenty of times when none of us know what we're doing. Hello, you're listening to Parenting Hell with... Elena, say Rob Beckett. Rob Beckett. And now say Josh Whittacombe. Josh Juketanon. Delia, thank you so much. Don't know about that.

Don't know about that, Rob. Not happy with that one. No, shall we listen to the Whittacombe again? Because it was going so well. don't know about that don't know about that Rob not happy with that one no shall we listen to the Widdicombe again because it was going so well Josh Jinkinon there you have it Josh Jinkinon

Jinkinon Josh Jinkinon hello Rob and Josh congratulations on the wonderful podcast which keeps me laughing to myself during my lunchtime walks I do not have children myself but I am the proud aunt to Eleanor,

who is nearly four, and newborn Iris. I know that Rob loves his wild guesses, so I am originally from, but I'm living in. And Eleanor and Iris are growing up in with their blank father and blank mother. Can you fill in the gaps, Rob? Oh, it feels like I'm about to be cancelled. Shall I fill you in?

I'm going to go. I'm going to go. I'm going to go. South Africa, now living in Bristol. And the dad's Dutch. Living in the Netherlands. Oh, nearly. Yeah.

Originally Greek, living in the Netherlands. And Eleanor and Iris are growing up in York with their Greek father and Brazilian mother. Fucking hell. Love. I can't do the maths on that. Imagine what they have. I wonder what they have for Christmas Day.

I wonder what they have for Christmas dinner. There's Greek there, there's Brazilian, there's Dutch. It's all sorts. Yeah, there's York. I reckon they're just Chinese takeaway. Keep it simple. Yeah, exactly. It's fine

let's get someone else to do it get it in do you know what they should have Rob lasagna why not no

right how are you Josh you good yeah I'm alright Rob so last last Sunday yep

went down to Torquay for a gig of course on the train down was getting off the train walked past who was sat there bloody Faye Ripley oh lovely Faye Ripley from Cold Feet Of course. On the train down. I was getting off the train. Walked past. Who was sat there?

Bloody Faye Ripley. Oh, lovely Faye Ripley from Cold Feet. Yeah, lovely Faye Ripley. She was looking through the script because she was off to do Doc Martin. Lovely. Then went to Cornwall for a couple of days. Yeah. Following Friday night, come back. Who's on the train?

It's only bloody Faye Ripley coming back from Doc Martin. Couldn't believe it. I mean, this is, if she's become your stalker, what a turn of events. train it's only bloody faye ripley coming back from doc martin i couldn't believe it i mean this is if she's become your stalker what a turn of events and she's using doc martin went to new york faye ripley's only there filming doc martin talking to that remember if you've got any of your over underwhelming celebrities in amazing places that's a bad link rob that doesn't sound fair no new york's an amazing place yeah he's unfair on favorite i'd say okay you panic me now no i wouldn't say favorite is an underwhelming uh

celeb spot which is a great celeb spot but talk is an underwhelming place to have spotted do you know what i mean yeah yeah exactly totally good work but yeah uh big celebrities in tiny places or small celebrities in very impressive places. That's what we're looking for. In profile, not height. Yeah, in profile. We don't want Richard Osman in a model village. That's not what we're looking for.

Greg Davies in Tinkerton. Is Tinkerton a place? I imagine it is near you, isn't it? It probably is, yeah. Susan Calman up the Burj Khalifa. Anyway, anyway, moving on. Yes. Moving on. Do you want an Instagram message? Anyway Anyway Moving on Yes

Moving on Do you want an Instagram message? Yeah Here we go Hello I'm a long time fan of the podcast And everything you say I'm still thinking about celebrities It's impossible not to think of celebrities in big places

Or vice versa Yeah Pudsey the dog up the millennium eye Oh my god Pudsey the dog up the millennium eye. Oh my God. Pudsey the dog up the millennium eye. But that is the most naughty reference.

Pudsey the dog has been dead 10 years. The London eye. The millennium eye did you call it? Yeah, I know. It's the millennium wheel or it's the London eye.

The London eye. The London eye. Oh my God. Anyway. To make Josh feel better here's a tired story from my husband. When our first time,

when my first child was a few months old, I took him to stay at my mum's for the weekend to give my husband a child-free night out of his mates

in Crystal Palace where we lived at the time and occasionally we'd see Josh at the Sainsbury's. Where's this? Crystal Palace? Why would I be

in Sainsbury's and Crystal Palace? That's definitely not me, is it? Yeah, it's a big Sainsbury's as well, so Josh would have be in Sainsbury's in Crystal Palace? That's definitely not me, is it? Yeah, it's a big Sainsbury's as well. So Josh would have come in Sainsbury's, Crystal Palace. So anyway, they're out and about in Crystal Palace. Went out with his mates for the first time since becoming a dad. He was so tired that he fell asleep in the pub early on in the night,

just after a couple of drinks. The bar staff told his friends that he had to leave as he was too drunk but they managed to persuade them that he was merely the dad of a newborn and please could they leave him for a bit to have a sleep which they kindly did hanging there josh owls sleep soundly for 11 hours every night and under and the sleep training is now a distant memory rebecca and r Evans. Well, I'm all right now. I'm not one to be complaining at the moment. No, but your issue now is the movement of the child, isn't it?

Yeah, it's actually the waking time is the problem. It was quite a good one to come off the back of Tom Crane last week, the sleep one, if anyone's feeling Tom Crane's pain. I've got another sleep one here. We love your podcast and listen every week. The more tired than Josh feature always gives us a giggle. We have a two-and-a- and a half year old who's never slept. My husband is a police dog handler and his working dog lives at home with us.

I came down early one morning after Ian had left for work to find a very baffled looking dog. Quick phone call later, which went a little something like, have you forgotten something? Him? No. It's liver and wire and has a waggy tail. Oh shit, I'm on my way. So he'd gone on a shift as a police dog handler without a police dog. Oh, my God. That is incredible.

But he took the two-year-old, who actually got let loose on a drug dealer and bit his arm and contained him until backup arrived. Thanks for laughs and making us feel a bit more sane. Heather, Ian and police dog Joe. No child, though. I didn't say that's weird. So. Heather Ian and Police Dog Joe. No child, though. Didn't say... No child? That's weird.

So, Heather Ian and Police Dog Joe. No kid's name. No kid's name. But the dog got name checked. Well, maybe there's no kid. I don't know. I think we're getting bogged down by this for no reason, aren't we? Yeah, we don't need to get into it.

Right. Should we get into James Bay? Yes. Really good interview, this. He's a very nice bloke, James Bay, isn't he? A lovely bloke. What a nice guy. Very, very open and very... He's very, like, james bain he's very lovely bloke what a nice guy very very open

and very um he's very like tender isn't he very emotional like really musicians are more emotionally open than comedians aren't they yeah they are and i remember i'm sort of like on the on one side of the sort of comedian fence and all my mates who grew up with so like when you speak to someone who's like really touched in touch with their But yeah, he loves his kid so much. And it's really sort of heartwarming to hear, isn't it, really? He's a nice bloke, old babe. James Bay. Old Jay Bay.

Anyway, here's James Bay. James Bay, welcome to the podcast. How's it going? Good? Good. Thank you for having me. I don't listen to an awful lot of podcasts, but I've become a bit obsessed with this. So I'm nervous.

I'm not going to lie. Oh, thank you. I thought you were just going to say, thank you for having me. I don't listen. I'd have respected that as well. Maybe more, maybe more. What's this about?

I haven't got kids, but nice speaking. I've seen a guitar in the background of Josh's picture, so I'm really into it. Yeah, I've got an album out. Don't listen, but let's plug. Let's do this.

Here's the name of the album. See you later. Bye. And what's the kids set up? You've got one album out. Don't listen, but let's plug. Let's do this. Here's the name of the album. See you later. Bye. And what's the kid set up? You've got one child, James? I have one child. I'm six months into being a dad. Me and Lucy, my partner, are six months into life with little Ada, our daughter.

Oh, that's a nice name. Thank you very much. It's lovely and wonderful and terrifying all at once james james you sound quite broken okay all right is that a fair great start the way you go it's fun it's the long list it's always the list is the giveaway how is the sleep though are you broken or not or is it just early the sleep's okay um actually we've been on a bit of a rollercoaster ride with sleep in the last six months. And actually, one of the most sort of normal scenarios

is that we're all kind of up around about 7 a.m., which feels pretty good. In truth, a lot of the time, Ada's awake from sort of 5.30, and we're just sort of trying to make her wake at about 7 a.m. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But then yesterday, completely unexplained, us awake from sort of 5.30 and we're just trying to make her wake at about 7am Yeah, yeah, yeah. But then yesterday, completely unexplained I got up ready to go because I'm usually changing her nappy at like

7am and I went and I peeped in and her eyes were shut and she just slept in until quarter past eight don't know why. Whoa! I laid her wide awake. Yeah, of course. You can never take advantage of that situation. No, not at all, basically.

But no, it was... So sleep is okay. I think obviously, you know, at this point, we've both just resigned to it being sometimes all over the place and just being able to roll with that. We also had like... We had that thing. I feel like it's actually kind of common that about eight weeks lots of people's babies sometimes are sort of chilling out and getting

into a little bit of their own little sort of sleep routine and life goes from especially i suppose your first baby it goes from madness complete madness and like everything's brand new to like a little bit of settling and we thought by sort of Christmas, we'd like absolutely smashed it. You completed it. The naivety is through the roof. Yeah, I know. And then mid-January, first signs of teething, first bits of sleep regression.

Actually, and this is something I actually wanted to ask you about sort of briefly, like she's been going through, she's all right at the moment. She's all right now, but eczema arrived. Oh yeah. We're big on the eczema scene. We're big names on the eczema scene.

You're a bit of a player on the eczema scene. Yeah. I'm big on the eczema scene. I'm a dairy intolerant guy. If you want anything on that, which can lead to eczema. It can be, it can be the same thing.

Josh is your eczema guy. Can I just say, so we went through a bit of a rollercoaster with all of that and it threw sleep out the window from January till March have you been to the doctor about it? we've been the whole sort of gambit and we're in a much better place now

but can I sort of just say that for all the wonderful things that Lib Wives and everybody tell you to sort of help try and prepare you as your baby arrives no one says a word about the potential of eczema. And it's like, I had no idea. I've just said it to you guys. And like Josh, it hasn't even come up on this podcast before it's the, it's, it's unspoken. You know, I've scoured, I've scoured your episodes looking for eczema.

I'm an eczema virgin. I used to have eczema as a kid, but my kids don't really suffer with eczema. Talk to me. What's the, what's the eczema game? Talk used to have eczema as a kid, but my kids don't really suffer with eczema. What's the eczema game? Talk me through it. What's going on? It just sort of, I suppose, kind of, Josh may be able to agree, like it randomly reveals itself if it wants to.

Yeah. And then you've got the problem of sort of dealing with, like for us, it was a tiny baby who, you know, she needed to sort of itch and this and that and the other. Yeah, yeah. And I actually, obviously, you've got to keep baby's nails really short. That's its own hell. Yeah.

What's your technique? The clippers, or some people say bite them, which I think is madness. So far the techniques that worked best for me was let Lucy do it. Okay, fair enough. She's got brilliant little fingers that are just perfect and mine are like big sausage

disaster. You do play guitar for a living. So there must be, there must be like big sausage disaster. I'm just, I'm just not very intricate with my fingers. If I'm honest with you. Never been good with my hands. Lucy does a fantastic job of that. We heard about the biting thing. That was never going to happen. And I will say, cause I, yeah, I've heard all sorts of different stories about people trying to cut their baby's nails.

And Ada is typically, she sort of lies back like she's at the salon on Lucy's lap. And Lucy was originally sort of doing, like, clipping her nails while she was asleep. And she'll just gently come around and be like, oh, you all right? Nice, yeah, thank you. Yeah, just doing my nails.

That's lovely. And there's no sort of big trouble with it. But it's still, they seem to grow back, like, in the next hour. Well, that is the thing my nails. That's lovely. And there's no sort of big trouble with it, but it's still, they seem to grow back like in the next hour. Well, that is the thing with nails. They will grow back. And which is intense in itself.

So you must've noticed that about your own nails, right? Have you got that weird guitarist nails thing? When you meet someone who plays guitar, where they've got one hand of long nails and one hand of short nails? No, I don't go for it, personally. Oh, okay.

I feel like, especially on electric guitar, you'll just snap your nails off. Right, yeah, yeah. It's creepy as well, isn't it? Yeah, I think it's just a pervert trying to... You know, like when cyclists shave their legs? You're like, you're only cycling so you can shave your legs.

The legs was the first thought. That you wanted the nails so you got a guitar. Before you know it, you're boosting your way to legs was the first thought that you wanted the nail so you've got a guitar before you know it you're boosting your way to seven tour de frances you're having a blood transfusion just because you wanted smooth legs no one's going faster with the shape of the leg no one's playing better guitar with a longer nail are they not is that right not really um but she so the around this sort of extra time that you, lots of baby clothes in the early days have got the mitts on the end of the sleeve. Actually, that was all still too, like, abrasive. Oh, really?

Oh, you've had it worse than me. Well, than my daughter and me. As, like, someone who's not experienced this. So where is the eczema? Is it all over the body or just the hands? I mean, when the doctor we talked to said, it spreads like wildfire. Yeah, he's not done a great job there, I say.

That was a slightly difficult moment. Otherwise, actually, I have to give it to him. He's done a fantastic job in sort of guidance, but that was a low moment. What have you got? What are you putting on it? There's all various. There's all various.

We did WD-40 in the end. That was a weird one. Did you do that? What? No, I'm joking. You're winding it up? Yeah, of course. I feel like I'm hanging out with the bigger boys who are talking about drugs.

And I'm like, yeah, I've done a big zoo. Yeah, mate. Love bifters. One of the really handy things was going, we had to find these, they were these silk mitts, which sounds well-pocked. Oh, yeah. It sounds really sort of bougie. But they worked great.

In fact, we found this like an independent, you know what, there'd be a great small business shout out. They're called scratch sleeves. Scratch sleeves. Scratch sleeves. Okay. For us, they'd be brilliant. Also, basically, the X-Men was the baby would feel uncomfortable all the time,

scratch it and make it worse and not sleep and whine and moan. Exactly. Worst case scenario, round the clock, we had to keep our hands out of her face. Oh, because she had it on her face? How do you keep our hands out of her face? By staying because she had it on her face? How do you keep our hands out of her face? By staying awake. Pad them away. Oh, man, alive.

What the closest we've sort of had to that is chicken pox. My youngest got chicken pox really bad. So, again, it's loads of, like, itchy lumps. So they're scratching all the time. And you can't tell, like, a six-one-fold not to scratch. And they're on their back. If you had chicken pox, the last thing you want to do is lay down and go was your when when yours had chicken pox how young really young actually i can't quite remember but she was like not she was a baby like

probably six seven months laying down she wasn't walking or crying but she because my eldest who was about three got it and she had a couple but she was honestly covered she's still got little chicken pox scars that are slowly um fading away but it was really brutal like she was honestly covered. She's still got little chicken pox scars that are slowly fading away but it was really brutal. She was absolutely covered head to toe. It was disgusting. We had to get my daughter jabbed for chicken pox because me and my mum couldn't agree

on whether I'd had it and it's very dangerous for an adult. That's so mufty, Plymouth. I heard that it's dangerous for an adult. Yeah, so it's bad for an adult. So me and my daughter went for his and hers, his and hers. Daddy and daughter kind of chicken pox shots. We're having to have an injection because your nan is bad at admin.

I hope that's what you told her. This is your nan's fault. When you cry, think of your nan. Well, she thought I hadn't, but I thought I had. So there we go. I don't know where measles and shingles come into this. Don't talk to me about mumps, mate. Don't talk to me about mumps. Have you had mumps? No, I haven't know where measles and shingles come into this. Don't talk to me about mumps, mate. Don't talk to me about mumps.

Have you had mumps? No, I haven't, no. My dad had mumps when he was tiny. So there's a picture of him, a little black and white picture from 100 years ago, pretty much. And he's this tiny little baby standing in the garden with a massive face. And he looks like one of those little... You know the footballers with the big heads?

The Corinthian figures? He's in a nappy and he looks exactly like one of those he's got a little smile on his face but he says his memories of it where it was absolutely horrible so fingers crossed we had um we so sleep was sort of all over the place for a while and i think that that four month five month regression thing was not great but the teething thing was actually she seemed to be have like teething symptoms for. Oh mate, it takes forever

to get those teeth out. About literally about five or six days ago, two have come through. Well, I don't want to, I don't want to pull rank here, but try teething with thoroughbreds when they've got these teeth.

With your little normal sized teeth, these big old chompers plowing through the red how big of a first set of a beckett oh absolute heavy duty well the thing is it is when the beckett's kids teeth come out you're basically going are they gonna get them or not do you know like some families got the ears or the nose or the chin or the dimples it's all you ever get and if you've got the beckett teeth you know you've got them they just never don't stop keep coming your parents got the beckett teeth right well not both of them they're not millhouse but my dad they're from my dad's side the becket teeth yeah he's got big becket

teeth my mom's uh got some more normal size teeth what about your brothers yeah they've all got big becket teeth but my brother see my brother joe's got like a bigger mouth than me because he's like six foot two and he's bigger but But mine looks bigger because of the proportions. Yeah. Do they come through? So A, this first teeth have come through so sharp. So your girl has come through like razors. Yeah, the little ones do.

And then when they're about six or seven, they get the bigger ones. So my six-year-old's getting like the... It's just mad when they come through. You've got little silk gloves for your teeth, didn't you? Yeah, little silk, little teeth scratcher mitts to go on. But yeah, hers have come through. But she knocked her teeth out when she was two. She had no front two teeth for four years.

How did she knock them out? She was on a scooter at a preschool and she fell over and one went a bit brown and a bit wobbly and then they both just fell out. So she had no front teeth. She still eats on the side of her... She doesn't use her front teeth. She just eats on the side of her, she doesn't use her front teeth. She just eats on the side of her mouth still.

She's not used to having teeth at the front. Like Popeye. Yeah. Oh, that is, yeah, that's my fun. But you know,

we're first timers. So it all seems very intense. So have you, what have you been back working? I have been back working and it's, and I, you know, like I I'm getting a much better sense at the moment of what

like the rest of the year will be. And actually when I first, when I first discovered this brilliant podcast, I was, uh, isolating. I have a writing, I have like a, uh, a place around the corner from our house, like a writing room, uh, where I was going to work and it sort of doubles up as a flat. There's like a little sort of hour set up in a bed and all that. Have you moved out, James? Is that what you're trying to tell us? Have we got the divorce scoop

on the sidebar of shame next week? It was really convenient because I got COVID at the end of... I started this year in January. I was doing a two-week, just a little sort of refresher tour.

It was really fun, just like me, solo acoustic. I bet it was, mate. You've got a kid at home that's not sleeping. I'll just head out on a refresher tour. Thank you very much.

Bash out the greatest hits of an acoustic. No other band members to pay. It was also when, while I was away, thinking, okay, all right, a little bit of sleep, not bad. Yeah. But it was when the X-Men was sort of starting, so it was very stressful being away because Lucy was a deal-breaker. Because, you know, ultimately Lucy's smashing it

and I'm trying to sort of come up behind. Paul McCartney used to take his kids on tour, didn't he? What a madman. Well, look, I'm not ruling it out. It's just when you've got such a tiny baby, it's not quite feel possible yet. No, we would ultimately like a sort of a future, especially before she sort of starts school proper.

And I don't know. This is where I'm very naive. I'm going to put you in this position. She's kicking off because she doesn't like her dinner. It's 8.04pm. You're due on stage, 10 past eight. She's backstage. She's kicking off.

Disaster. I don't think if you take them on tour, they just stay in the hotel room. It's a bit of that. That's the thing, isn't it I don't think, if you take them on tour, they just stay in the hotel room. It's a bit of that. That's the thing, isn't it? The other thing slightly different to you guys on tour is the volume of my show. Yeah.

Well, I get some laughs, mate. Do you know what I mean? Anyone under 14 that goes to Beckett's show has to wear those ear defenders. You see kids in festivals. It's going to get crazy. Stick them on, kid. You'll be all right.

Don't want to damage your ears with all the laughs. Is there in music? Because I'd say comedians are kind of people that often have kids late. They're kind of in a kind of state of like suspended being young,

maybe through their 30s, a lot of comedians. No, it's not that. What it is is all comedians are awkward little virgin nerds till about 25, get a bit of confidence in their first job being funny, start the circuit at 30, meet someone at 40, have a kid. That's what happens.

It's hard to have a kid when you haven't had sex for 25 years. No, in music, I think it's similar or even more so. People are trying to, I don't know, it feels like a lot of people are sort of, touring is a mad way of life. So maybe, I feel like I'm speaking for everybody here and I don't want to speak for anybody. Could you just speak for everyone?

James Bay, speak for everyone, fuck them. Just speak for everyone. Put it on record. This is the voice of the music industry. Yeah, put it in the article. James Bay has left his wife and lives in a flat around the corner. Sleeps what he calls a bed. We know it's just some duvet on the article. James Bay has left his wife and lives in a flat around the corner, sleeps what he calls a bed.

We know it's just some duvet on the floor. He talks for everyone. And he is the ambassador of eczema in children. They're the three takeaways. It seems at least sort of 50-50, like a lot of people aren't. Touring is a sort of unique way of life. And some people, kids don't fold into it very easily. And then other people are like,

I want my personal sort of family life to be on the road. We know there's people out there who sort of grew up on tour. Kids of musicians from Denver. Normally always a bit weird in my experience. Or they become... That's me speaking for me, not everyone. Well, it's difficult because I don't really take the kids on tour because it's different for you, though.

If you go to America or Europe, you'll be away for three months. Yeah, you actually go properly on tour, whereas me and Rob... We just pop off for a couple of nights. Lou's quite happy at the break, I think. But I've got a gig in Southend and I'm going to let the kids come. And I've got one in Bromley, which I'm going to get them to come and see the stage and maybe watch the opening ten minutes of the show to see what I do because they're old enough to know what's going on now.

Obviously, I'll swear and it'll be inappropriate, but who cares, really? Awful chat the next morning when you go to... Normally, it goes better than that. That was a tough crowd. Do come to a different night, because you didn't need the ear defenders, it turns out, after all. Daddy, what does dirty nonces mean?

I think with the, like you say say like the america like all this or transatlantic and going all around the world like i i go to australia at some point in a touring year i go to australia for a bit and it's far yeah and in a year this year 2022 when we're gearing ourselves up me and lucy for like, I'm going to be away working sometimes. Ada's very young. And like, we do want to explore taking her away with me, with us at some point. In my experience, I'd say you're better off travelling with them

when they're younger because when they get to the point they're in nursery and school, they can't just come away with you. Exactly. And they're actually easier when they're like under a year to take because you're up and they're crying anyway what's it matter if you're in a hotel you're somewhere else and then once they get in a buggy and they can sit upright we went to Copenhagen with a six-month old it was amazing because you just push them around and it's when they're like toddlers and running around it's a bit of a nightmare but you know I think it's not as difficult as you probably think it will be

because you sort of build it up once you get in the routine of it, but you just have to take the plunge to do it initially. Yeah, mostly I'm thinking about Lucy. She's the one who's going to be like... She's not a fan of these songs. Not at all. The kid's fine. I can't listen through that set again.

Ada will be still, like you say, sort of young enough. Later this year, later in the summer I'm going to I know already I'm in America for a month yeah there's a bit between now and then where I'm there for about two weeks and then there's bits of Europe that I'm going to go to where yeah I'm not going to sort of be coming back like every other day I'm going to be there for a week or more I'm awful as well like it's I've been with Lucy for a long time we've been together for for since we were teenagers. And in the early days of me going away,

she was like brilliant at saying, basically, chin up, get out there and give it your best shot. I'll be here when you get back sort of thing. And I was like, oh no, I'm going to miss you so much, all this stuff. And I've sort of built up, we both built up like a sort of strength to be able to deal with it over the years that i've i've been doing this now now we've had this little baby and i just i just sounds well soppy but i'm just gonna miss her like crazy yeah yeah that's hard because it's the guilt the guilt as well as the missing you feel bad that you're not there to

help but then you've you've got to earn the money, haven't you? That's exactly it. Like, recently, last couple, like yesterday, I was only out for sort of the afternoon and the evening. I was making a music video and I was away and I was just in little breaks. I'm looking at videos on my phone of Ada. That's what my wife does. She goes, I can't wait till they're in bed. I can't wait till they're in bed. Then they go to bed and she'll just watch videos of them from the day.

And you're like, mate, this is our hour. This is our one hour. This is our succession. Yeah. Between watching those and squeezing in at this point, three episodes of Peaky Blinders, I feel like no matter how we've managed that in the last, what feels like the last three months,

we've got three episodes in and we're like, a luxury yeah have you started writing has it affected your songs have you started writing about her and would you shy away from that i would honestly i don't know how many songs my fans want to hear about oh my beautiful baby how i love you i've brought life into the world like yeah yeah i it'll it'll find its way in like one way or another into my writing it will it will sort of find its way because it's been a huge emotional sort of transition for me yeah i'll just i'll just try not to be too on the nose about it so is she lucy on maternity leave then is she due to go back at some point or no she actually she finished working and she this has been very much a sort of i suppose like a dream of hers to be able to just be a mum full-time mum yeah that

kind of thing so there's words to say because then that that brings an extra pressure if she's going back to work then you've got to find someone to cover the you're both shifts and stuff so so i'm lucky in that respect and we're lucky of course that she we're in a position that she can do that and she um yeah it was it was a it was a big kind of dream for her to to be able to do that and that's where which is gorgeous it's a really we feel very sort of lucky that we can do that does it make you want to have more then do you reckon you're you're loving you it seems like you're absolutely besotted we both we both come from like siblings as well like we neither so do i but that put me off our personal is we'd love her to have

mates you know actual mates in the house to run around with and all that sort of thing so yeah that that's definitely the sort of dream going forward um because it's also just sort of what we know and i think growing up it made complete sense to us i think as well i didn't really i was always like yeah it'd be nice to have a couple of kids i always wanted two kids like at least um and then like it's only now like because there's only a two year gap they play so well it's such a blessing when they've got that because like you don't have to do anything if you've got another day and there's a pool that's sort of safe enough for them just to swim in or you know walk wade in if it's like a small one. You literally just sit there and they play with each other. Again, like me and my brother,

like he's only about 15 months older than me or something. And Lucy's brothers, it's all like no more than 18 months. Yeah, I think it's really, I think it makes a massive difference where I think sometimes people, if you have a sibling, obviously, you know, sometimes you can't have one straight away after. But I think if you can i'd really recommend it because it is a bit of a nightmare the first year if you've got like two under two or two under 18 months but then once they're if they're the same age they just play

they're just because if there's a big gap sometimes it's like a 10 year old trying to play the two-year-old they're on two different wavelengths aren't they if there's a big gap yeah is it mad just out like one thing you said there like when you've got well yeah two under two is it mental it's not mental but you've got the worst part is you go i can't believe how easy it was just having one kid in the house and then but then you can't even say that to you now is like you can't imagine it you you know how you look back on when you said like i was so naive at christmas you're gonna look back on this interview in two or three years and you're gonna go what was i complaining about they just don't move but that's it when they start removing the problem this is it she's and she still isn't actually she's dead keen but she's not actually going anywhere yet there's been a paranoia that i've just about got

over now but the first sort of three or so months i was like oh quick get on a tummy yeah yeah because you're like if i don't do tummy time she's what's gonna happen i know no one that was adversely affected by lack of tummy time but i'm just saying now obviously it's great do it etc etc i'm not i'm not part of the anti-tummy time people obviously do have problems with their neck and it's at a different angle whatever and that's like hello maybe that's why i've got a bad neck i didn't do any tummy time but um but i don't i think that's either gonna happen or not i don't think you need to train it or test it you're either gonna have that bad neck or not and it's too easy as well i find when ultimately she's gonna sort of find her way it's still too easy to sort of get paranoid about like um we got one of the things that what they call you hang it over the door and she can sort of bounce yeah yeah the bouncer yeah we did that

the first time of the day because we were curious you know you sort of lift the baby up on your lap like holding her under her armpits and she often you know their legs will go all sort of straight and they'll want to sort of almost without kind of use their legs she's got no interest in using her legs really she's just she just don't know what you're trying to do and she's like sitting back down on my bum i was fine like that but on her tummy hopefully with a view to crawling she's like after it she's she's into that so yeah and immediately i'm like but the legs aren't working oh yeah is she ever gonna walk yeah imagine at six months you're panicking she's not walking that is my daughter's walked to nine months so she's way too early and i didn't realize how early that was but she'd it looked so weird because she was so because my first born was

really little um she's about normal size now but she was tiny she's only five pound eleven and quite small and diddy very narrow and she could walk at nine months but in like we dressed up in like a coat and a pair of shoes and she walked with me through the shopping center on her own without holding her hand and everyone was just like he was stopping shoppers because they were like what they thought was a hasbulla you know hasbulla you know the little fella it was like they couldn't believe that a baby could walk at that age and stuff but when you're is your kid you don't sort of realize and is she now brilliant a walker is she going to be one of those walkers at the olympics right yeah she's gonna go for the world's best walker i tell you what though my my second one though is so fast she's like really fast they're like they um on

holiday she was running so fast and there was like a seven-year-old that was there and he's like quite tall for his age she was keeping up with him and because they started calling her dash at the end she's meant it's so she's so quick it's actually like comedy how fast she is i would love it if your daughter became an international athlete that would be one of the great it would be perfect for the podcast i'll be brilliant if she was a sprinter i think she might be she's really i don't know what god knows but all i'm saying is she's fucking quick she's rapid i can't get her if she puts the burners on i can't catch her and both of them are walking at nine months yeah both yeah don't say that if you get to nine months they're not though jay's panicky yeah i was told that was quite late actually james it's quite late developers

at least at five months everyone's walking i'm gonna be i'm gonna be holding her over a treadmill um so have you got what you have a other little paranoias that you're aware of mental, but you can't help yourself thinking, you know, like I used to, I used to, if they slept in, I'd wake them up to check if they're still all right. Cause I assumed something awful

had happened cause they slept in. Oh yeah, every time. On a better night's sleep when she's so still, breathing so soft, all throughout this first six months, I've crept in quietly and- Just to see if the chest is going up and all that. Yeah, it's horrible, isn't it?'ve crept in quietly and just to see if

the chest is going up and all that yeah it's horrible isn't it trying in pitch black essentially to see that and you're half asleep it's just ridiculous when you're half asleep um recently so we've been sort of getting on to like solids but of course they're like mushed down so they're not solid solid yeah she's not on solids yet. I'm joking. I'm joking. I'm sorry, Jay. I wonder who you are. Sorry, I'm missing. We've been getting on.

Initially, she was so up for it. I'm trying to think now. I don't know. Maybe it's been like six weeks of that. And she was well up for it. And it was all going in and it was all pureed, this and that. And as soon as the tea came through she's just clamping her mouth shut she what she loves she's sitting up in

the high chair and the food's all in front of her sort of thing and we're coming in with the spoon and it's loaded and we're ready she's just suddenly got no interest and it's been quite funny actually how quickly lucy and i both go God, well now she's never going to eat. She's on milk forever. That's it. What happened to the like few weeks where she was loving, she was absolutely loving eating something off a spoon,

holding the spoon, taking it off the mouth herself, the whole bit, mouth wide open, like clamping down, chewing it. Yeah, so it's really easy to sort of suddenly go, well, it's all,

now we're going backwards. Everything, everything's a panic. Everything is a panic, well it certainly we're going backwards. Everything's a panic. Everything is a panic, well, it certainly is in my life. I think that's the thing, it's like, she will eat. Yeah. And also with kids eating,

get ready for them to refuse food at every opportunity for the next four years of your life. I've got a six and four year old, all they eat is plain pasta. Yeah. She's carb loading, isn't she, Rob? She's carb loading.

Yeah, I just give them three heels a day now. Just fuel. I don't do that i don't do that the funny thing is ada is like seemingly loving the sort of general experience of like i say being sort of sat up in a high chair and sort of at the table with us and we're usually having our lunch at the same time and sort of feeding her and trying to make it all quite obvious uh but she doesn't want to actually do the eating bit lately at all which is i don't know like you know there's a good and a bad side to this as well lucy will sort of we got all sorts obvious uh but she doesn't want to actually do the eating bit lately at all which is i don't know like you know there's a good and a bad side to this as well lucy will sort of we got all sorts of great books and she'll read a lot more than me granted um she'll go and sort of seek out information so she's doing the reading she's doing the nails and you're just sort of general

overseeing the panic um yeah and she just felt she just read something the other day that obviously says, you know, your baby will sort of be into eating and not into eating and always just sort of let them explore it, regardless of whether they're actually sort of doing an awful lot of eating, especially when they're only six months old. Yeah. And that was obviously reassuring. Well, yeah, I find my kids will not eat anything for three days,

like literally pick at stuff, and then they'll eat like a monster for four days. They go through like waves of being hungry and into food and then just like not eating much, but then literally go, I want another bowl of pasta. It's weird. They're doing five too, aren't they? They're doing five too. We're already at this point with me.

So the first three months of Ada's life, I was just around all the time. And that was sort of the agreed thing between me and my managers. But already, now that I'm back to doing stuff all the time, there's, you know, I've been around the last couple of weeks for some, she's doing like mum, mum, mum, mum, mum, mum, and like a bit of, she only whispers dad, dad, dad. It's because you're so much noisy at your gigs.

You can't hear her it's been saying trish me the whole time but it wasn't really like first word territory like we weren't really sort of there yet but you know i think i wasn't around quite for the sort of first times of all of that stuff it catches me off guard all the time it's the only thing that makes me worry about going away later in the year and like i, we are looking at flying them out for a few days, which will help me. That's all right for you. That is an absolutely brutal one for the...

But I'll say Lucy has dealt with all manner of jet lag over the last 10 years. And Ada, I'm just saying, like, she'll still be young enough that she'll just roll with it. What's interesting is even if you go away for a week, you do notice the difference. I'm just kidding me. Like, how old will she be in August and September? 10 and 11 months.

Oh, that's the best month. Don't get over it. We can't get in his head like this, John. It's worse than you are. What I'd recommend, what I reckon would be a best shout is if Lucy came over and had a holiday in New York or Boston or wherever it was and was based somewhere for a week, you know that you can pop in and out there and she's not following you about.

She's got this hotel room or a car or Airbnb, somewhere nice that's nice and chilled in New York, and then you can pop in whenever you can. And she has a nice time there. Because at 10, 11 months, the baby can be in the buggy. They can walk around New York or maybe go upstate a little bit where it's a bit greener or something. No, absolutely.

And do it that way right in the middle, I think is the best bet. After a plane ride as well, I don't think first time we were going to put them on a tour bus. That feels like a step too far. Well, because I've got to go. I'm going to Australia and I will miss the girls. But I'm also thinking I'm going to Australia for three and a half weeks. So it's like, I will desperately miss Lou and the girls when I'm there.

But what I try and do is me, if I'm there, right. And Australia, and I've always wanted to do shows in Australia. So from a selfish point of view, it's a real career high for me to go to Australia and do shows. And it's amazing. Me moping around Australia, feeling guilty, feeling like I'm missing out.

All I'm doing is torturing myself. Me being upset is not going to help Lou and the kids. Absolutely right. What's going to help them the best? She don't want me when she's had a terrible day with the kids, go, oh, but I just miss you. Fuck off.

You're by the beach in Australia. So you need to sort of be in that moment or be in that place. Go, right, I'm here doing my shows in Australia to a crowd and I'm loving this guilt-free because feeling guilty is not going to help anyone all it's going to do is torture you and annoy them you're absolutely right and Lou's right and Lucy is right sorry Lucy says that same stuff to me she's it's absolutely right and so I don't get me wrong like you, you know, the shows that I did just in January just now, like being on stage every night and playing to those people

was a time in my life. But what's it like the day times before if you can't see the kids? That's when they're on the stage because you're fully engaged. That's the fine bit. What it is is sat in the hotel room. That's when you can go mental and you start beating yourself up. But you've just got to try and make sure that you go, I'm doing the best thing for me and my family.

Otherwise, I'll be at home. There's no money coming in my career's not progressing i'm not selling any albums but when you're there you can't beat yourself up because it just it's horrible to yourself just keep on top of like the pictures of you having a great time on instagram that's all you got just keep on top of that it really like turns you over having a, having a baby. It's a big head fuck massively, like emotionally and stuff. It's the best and the maddest way that is all the cliches. I was saying this on this tour, like to the crowd every night, I was, I was, I was saying like, you know, it's nice to see you all again. It's been so long.

Cause it's the first time I've been doing any of it since COVID began. You know, and I said, I've been up to all sorts. I had a baby and uh i said it is all the cliches are true it is the yeah it's the greatest thing ever i also said all the cliches are true my baby is the most beautiful baby in the world yeah yeah that's true i said all of you will think you know some of you in here got babies i said no no no mine if i was in the crowd i would shout but she can't walk yet my kid your kid at a race let's do this but that's the weird thing is it's so important but no one really gives a shit if you've had a kid do they no because it's so like for me and you

it's such a mad thing but the man in the street go oh have you and no one gives a shit you know if you're doing the right thing because you'll be like going oh should i do that what will people think that if i've left lucy or lou to do this gig or left right what no one gives a fuck no it's only your own head i show i i am terrible with like if i'm seeing as i've like got back into like going to do a bit of promo or something and seeing all the people from the record label that i've known now for such a long time and i just like put them into a corner and get my phone out and show him loads of photos of Aidan. I am that guy. I am that guy. And I'm like, if they've got kids, then I'm straight into what is to everybody else really mundane.

I remember when she was tiny, one of the easiest ways for her to fall asleep was like on my shoulder. But it was like she was so far over my shoulder, I was basically holding her by the ankles like a kind of fireman's lift yeah like a proper like she's like or roadkill i'd be like like i mean so many times in a day i'd be like this look what is she all right look at this position take a picture take a picture and then i remember showing people

like you know friends again who who already have babies i'll be going is this normal it's okay i feel like my shoulder is just cracking her ribs yeah well they you do find i just i could get my second baby off to sleep so like really well like it was just a thing like if it was just struggling i used to put her arm under there and i did technique and did that and i could get her asleep like really quickly. And it was actually a bit weird. It was like a superpower where I'd go, I'll give her to me, bang, asleep.

And I could never do it with the first one. I've never done it to another kid. But for this baby, I could just do that. And then I remember when I was in holiday, they had a nine month old and I tried to do, I was like, get her to sleep, thinking that I'll still have the skills. Awful, started crying, kicking kick it i felt like you know like an old boxer in the pub when he's 50 he goes

let's go outside just gets absolutely battered this kid was like crawl i was scratching my face it was awful that change happened so quickly i felt like i yeah i felt like i had these superpowers literally the same as you to get ada to go to. I'd hold her in a certain way and she's gone. I rock her like four times and she's gone. Or like hum some completely random made up tune and just like gently and she's gone. And then suddenly all these things just slightly, as she wakes up and grows up

and like wakes up to the world, like every day a little bit more, my powers just disappear. Yeah. And soon, soon, mate, she'll be at university and she won't even phone.

Josh, I love that you're saying that. You're not even there yet. Well, I mean, my daughter's only six, but she already writes notes saying, I don't like you, you make me sad,

and leave them on my pillow. Oh, how are you going to deal with it? Well, I found it quite funny. She's only doing it for a reaction. Oh, no, I meant James. Oh, James, James. He can detect how weak I am at this point already. Well, I like that. How are you going to deal with that?

I was like, you know I don't give a fuck, Josh, about that. But no, you are incredibly vulnerable when you've got your newborn because it is so precious and they're so small. And you have this huge, what it is, is this huge weight of a responsibility of I've got this now, I've got to provide for this child, I've got to help this child navigate through the world. But it's like anyone, that's the first couple of weeks of a new job. You are just excited to say to matt like you know calling around mates

and saying look we've had a baby and she's all well and everything lucy's well and everybody's fine like that that is the first five days five weeks even when you're going through all that mad sort of you know no sleep and everything yeah did you get annoyed with visitors was that annoying loads of visitors definitely it was it was like it was brilliant but it's that thing of you say okay come around at two and they're like sort of knocking on the door about sort of 25 past two yeah a friend of ours you know old great old friend of ours the other day said um he was supposed to come around at two and he actually had a like an emergency thing he had to deal with and then later about sort of 4 30 he said i could still come in at like when i'm not thinking about dinner and bed at 5 30 yeah

i'm really sorry man but like our day starts to wrap up quick yeah actually that's a really that's a big thing i think i've been starting to think to myself lately we're getting up at seven and i'm thinking in 12 hours we're literally shutting down and like everybody's going to bed yeah no we're in lockdown our kids were going to bed at five o'clock at night because they were waking up at 5 a.m anyway so we used to put in bed at five o'clock they'd sleep 12 hours wake up at five and then we just be just shifted back a few hours because if you put them to bed late well they'd always wake up at five so then me and lou had a really long evening together even though the days were long but yeah people when they come around and go i don't know what someone came around um we used to have like lot of parking permit and they came around at 10.

I went, oh yeah, I've put two hours on the parking. Why? Where are you going after this? You're going next door for an hour. What time are you going to bed, James? We are like nine is like. What are you wearing?

Sorry. Don't say that out loud. Just the silk gloves, Rob. Just a pair of silk gloves. Yeah, we go to bed at nine. I mean, I'm just more than ever, I'm sort of at 8.30, I'm like shattered half the time.

And like, that's the maddest thing about 9pm. And maybe it's the same for you guys, that's stage time. Yeah. I get a burst of energy about 10 o'clock at night when I've normally finished my show. So I'll get all tired about 7, 8 and then I'll watch a burst of energy about 10 o'clock at night when I've normally finished my show. So I'll get all tired about 7, 8 and then I'll watch a bit of telly.

Then I'm eyes wide awake at 10 at night. The difference as well, like last night I was out a bit later doing this music video and I got home at about 9. And like pre-baby, I would have got home at 9. We would have been texting as I was on my way home about what we were going to watch on TV. Yeah. Should we order something in? Some food? Get a bottle of red?

Yeah. It would always be like what dinner I can sort of put together or whatever. And last night I got home and had a bowl of porridge and went up. Who are you? The three bears? I was like something that won't wake me up later in the night. Something that will fill me up. I can put it together quick when I get in.

Rock and roll isn't where it used to be, is it? Josh, mate, it's not. Weirdly, I suppose it's like once you've accepted it, it's all very welcome. It's not rock and roll to say it. No, but yeah, totally. It's about going, this is me now. Yeah, absolutely.

And like so many mates of mine that have got, I've got a good few mates who've got like a two-year-old, three-year-old and they're like, that first year is crazy. Just get your head down. Get your head down literally and just sort of get your head down and sort of get through it. And don't get me wrong also, like, again, all the cliches are true. I can't deal with just, I just look at her and I see a bit of Lucy

and I see a bit of me and I see all of Ada, all myself, and it just, all of it melts my heart. It's so funny, I like, because we've had a few musicians on and stuff, like how musicians and artists are so so deep and deep thinking and comedians just such horrible little bastards we're horrible i mean there's such a deeper sort of like i don't know purity to musicians i find sometimes um it's so i think it's sweet as well to you know you don't normally hear dads traditionally being this sort of involved which is but i think it's sweet as well to you know you don't normally hear dads traditionally being this sort of involved which is but i think but most dads do feel like this but don't really

express it so it's good to be expressed well i can't help it in many respects but and also don't get me wrong so much of it sort of completely like confuses me like there's all manner of different things like i can't still can't quite deal with the fact that like i did genuinely it sounds cliche or stereotypical i listened to a lot of music before i had a baby i was listening to different records now all i've got is nursery rhymes in my head yeah your spotify wrapped is going to be an absolute disaster mate at the end of the year i can't post that um and and like things blow my mind like she's got all sorts of different like fun little sort of chew toys and things she just goes for the label you know the little black and white label on the end of a soft toy that's just as soft as the toy and she's just desperate for that there's this whole like fluffy dragon yeah they

don't like anything you think they're gonna like no you know they never like the cool sort of toy you know there's people that are in like i hate plastic i'd only get wooden toys for my kid fair enough but the kid's gonna hate all those toys. They want some shiny, horrible plastic shit. We always end on the same question, James, which I think you're going to find a struggle. You know I'm going to find it a struggle. You're a fan of the podcast, so you know the question, which is which thing that your partner does

that you haven't said to them that annoys you? It's a difficult one because she does such a fantastic job. But you've definitely thought about it and got one lined up. He's got one lined up, Josh. Look at him. Hang on, why have you got that notepad out? We only need one.

Put the whiteboard away. What's this big spider diagram? There's a little one which is like, I think we all wish that we all would sort of stop Googling quite so much. Yeah, Googling. Have you tried, um, have you tried Ask Jeeves? Yeah. Um, this doesn't, this hasn't actually happened for a while, but it certainly has always sort of stuck in my mind for a time early on.

Ada was in the bed with us for like early on when she was little and we were sort of up every hour or every other hour. And we were changing her and Lucy was feeding her. And I remember if I like changed her and then put Ada in the bed and then I went to the toilet to sort of wash my hands. I just, this always riled me. I would come back in the bed and in the dark, Lucy would go, do you wash your hands? I would say, yeah. And there's a little silence and she'd go, do you wash your hands? And I would say, yeah.

And there's a little silence and she'd go, with soap. Just a hard time thinking about Ada. Why do you think I am? Yes, I have washed my hands. Yeah, I've washed my hands with soap. And he washed your hands. No, I've wiped the shit out of my ass with my bare hands. So yeah, no, it doesn't really happen anymore. but that one did get me up she's stopped now she trusts oh oh wait i hope she listens to this and then asks you again the thing is she will but

the fact is she will she's a massive fan as well and also if you do bump into james bay uh in the street or go to his gigs please ask him if he's washed his hands yeah and when he says yes say with soap if someone could hold a science and have's washed his hands. And when he says yes, say with soap. If someone could hold a sign saying, have you washed your hands? That is next gig. You've done it now. It's done. It's happening. Lads, this is genuinely, can I just say, for me and Lucy, and obviously for so many parents, your podcast is

incredible and helpful and brilliant. Oh, thank you. Oh, thanks, mate. I'd have to dispute helpful, but I'll accept the other one. Brilliant. Thanks for coming on. It's so so good as well listening to people that've got the newborn babies because it is such a mad like life experience at that point but i'm also have you got your new album and stuff like that let's let's plug back look you're too pure you've not even mentioned your plug-in we didn't because we were meant to have you on before which was just

before the single came out right lads i sent you the song and then we cancelled the podcast i know yeah that was all but my wife my wife did have appendicitis and she all right but she didn't have until she listened to the song though so i don't know if that's give me the reason yeah that's the single at the moment um there'll be another one and then the album we haven't got a date for the album but it's coming later in the year and um there's all sorts of touring i'm actually just about to do like my first UK tour, my first tour with a band since 2019. Oh, wow. But yeah, so all of that's happening.

Music's happening. But yeah, I'm trying to be a dad now as well. It's mental. Well, you're doing a good job, mate. Keep it up. Thank you, guys. Cheers, bro. Cheers, James.

Thanks, mate. Bye. James Bay. What a lovely bloke James Bay is. Very nice man, mate. Bye. James Bay. What a lovely bloke James Bay is. Very nice man, Rob. Oh, what? He loves his kid, doesn't he? Bless him.

He loves his kid. Yeah, bless that, please. Do you know what's funny was? Normally, I'm the one people expect to wind someone up when I was saying, oh, what, your kid can't walk yet? But then you went in hard with the university stuff. Yeah, I think let's go in. Let's show him who's boss here.

This is a pretty alpha podcast. You two-footed, James Bay. It's very rare that I'm the alpha male of the group, Rob. I enjoyed that. It is. Do you know what? I think that's the first time I've seen you be alpha. Thanks, mate.

Went in studs up, early doors. Balls out, squeezed his nuts, Gazza and Vinnie Jones. Exactly. Rob, can I be honest? Yeah. Last 10 minutes, I really needed a piss and I still need it. Can I go to the toilet? Yeah, go and have a piss. I will wash my hands. Yeah, wash your hands. With soap?

With soap. Perfect. James Bay everyone. What a lovely fella. Go and see him on tour and listen to his new song. Cheers. Bye.