Rob Beckett and Josh Widdicombe's Parenting Hell - S05 EP11: 'Grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change...'

Episode Date: August 30, 2022

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Hello, I'm Rob Beckett. And I'm Josh Willicombe. Welcome to Parenting Hell, the show in which Josh and I discuss what it's really like to be a parent, which I would say can be a little tricky. So, to make ourselves, and hopefully you, feel better about the trials and tribulations of modern-day parenting, each week we'll be chatting to a famous parent about how they're coping. Or, hopefully, how they're not coping. And we'll also be hearing from you, the listener, with your tips, advice, and, of course, tales of parenting woe.

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Josh Widdicombe. Josh Widdicombe. And can you say hello, Michael? Hello, that's who. Oh, there we go. That was good, wasn't it? I like that. A bit of extra flair on the end. A bit of extra sauce.

Who was that? Yeah, exactly. That's Jackson. Yeah. Who turns two next week. Very good for two. Don't make people with a two-year-old that can't speak panic now, Josh. No, no, no, no. Everyone speaks

in their own time. Exactly. I've been telling myself that about my own son this week. This is Jack's who turns two next week. We are from Suffolk. Skegness. Never got it right. She describes

it as Skeg Vegas. Skeggy. The sunny shores of Skeg Vegas, in brackets Skegness, in case they thought Skeg Vegas was a place. Keep it sexy, Michael. Much love and keep up the good work from Bryony and Miles. Oh, thank you very much. Now, we should really address what's going on with the podcast, shouldn't we, Josh?

Yeah, we haven't quit. No. So, last week, the Tuesday episode didn't get recorded. We just didn't do one. And we explained why in Friday's episode. However, Friday's episode didn't get uploaded because of a technical issue. So I don't really understand what this is. But Michael here, the producer and head of technical issues, is going to explain.

So the Tuesday episode never happened, didn't exist. So that didn't even go up. But the Friday one did, but for some reason has not gone onto your phones and tablets and stuff. Michael, why didn't the podcast go up on Friday? Well, we are in the process of migrating where we host our podcasts.

And what's happened during this process is the connection has been lost. So no matter what we uploaded, it was just bouncing back and forth between the old server and the new server right right yeah do you think alistair campbell's been pulling some strings high up to try and block us from maybe so basically the reason why we didn't do tuesday's episode was on fridays which hasn't gone out so we're gonna play that in now yeah and when you

listen to this i we've got to remember it's quite funny that we recorded this intro and then it was this intro of all the normally the intros are quite pointless and nothingy um it was this one that got lost and never went out which wasn't great for um josh's anxiety that wasn't that wasn't ideal it wasn't ideal okay so here's what we did on Friday to explain why there was no Tuesday episode. Anyway, how are you, Josh? Yeah, I should say sorry for Tuesday not happening, Rob. Yes, there has been no Tuesday episode. We planned to.

We were going to record it on the Monday, but we didn't get round to it. Yeah. People accusing me of having another holiday. Yeah, I know. Well, you know. I'll take it. You know, I almost chipped in, but I thought there was some accusing Michael of having another holiday. Yeah, I know. Well, you know. I'll take it. You know, I almost chipped in, but I thought there was some accusing Michael

of fucking it up. And I just sat back happily and watched the carnage because obviously everyone thinks that it wouldn't be my fault because I'm the classic stiff neck. I'd be there. There'd never be Josh. He sits there at his computer all week

waiting to record. Exactly. He's not going to be late. Exactly. No, I was... Rob, I basically... We've talked a lot about the amount of stress I've put myself under the last maybe 18 months. Yes, yes.

And I'd say as well that that's not just you putting yourself under. I think in general having a one-year-old and a four-year-old and working full-time is a very stressful moment in anyone's life. Yes, I'd say. I think I just... I basically... But also you had committed to a number of things. I've committed to a number of things that I shouldn't have committed to.

I took all that stuff out of my diary and then bizarrely replaced it with other stuff. Even stuff like going to the gym I had scheduled in my diary. So it becomes a thing. Do you know what I mean? Right, okay. Anyway, long long story short i basically had a breakdown sorry i'm not laughing at the breakdown i'm laughing at the delivery yeah well i wouldn't

say that maybe that's speaking to that's that's too far that's delivering it for comic effect yes on the precipice but from my point of view i got a message on monday morning we're supposed to record saying you're going to the doctors because you're not feeling great. Can we do the recording later? And then you sort of, you know, well, you can take it away from there. I don't know. Basically, Rob, I've just got, I've basically, my anxiety was horrific. I mean, obviously, Ben Stokes has stolen my thunder slightly this week.

That's slightly annoying. What's happened to Ben Stokes? Oh, he did a very, well, I haven't watched it, but very well regarded documentary about the hell of his anxiety in the last year and a half. Now you're trying to make this a competition. Who's got the most anxiety? Well, Rob, if it was, I'd lose and I'm worrying about it.

You're worrying about what that means for you. Exactly. No, I basically just couldn't face the world and but i've taken a load of basically it's got to be it's got to be a fucking line in the sand now this is it i think as well i think i feel like you sort of from my point of view you're downplaying it slightly like it like your workload at the moment's been insane you're on live telly every friday and you've got to write towards that. We're doing this book, the podcast, which we love to do,

but it is a big time commitment. You've got a one-year-old that's running around not giving a shit because they're a one-year-old and that's what they do, causing havoc. You've got a four-year-old going to school. That's a big life stage for you as a parent, you and Rose, as well as her. There's a lot going on and you haven't got much breathing room and i was saying speaking to lou about this breathing i know i know you you sort of i know your eldest is in goes to nursery and stuff but you've got you haven't really got much

immediate child care i know rose's mum's around a lot but there's no we have we have some child care when we need it but it's never it's never do you know what i'm gonna do i'm gonna get a nanny today and i'm gonna go and i'm gonna wander around you know it's never, do you know what I'm going to do? I'm going to get a nanny today and I'm going to go and I'm going to wander around. You know, it's always, I've got to be there here. Rose has got to be here. So do you know what I mean? Yeah. I think you never get a babysitter just for you.

It's always cover for work. Yeah. So that's it. It's a line in the sand. It felt like Monday was your independence day where you said this can't go on. I'm not enjoying myself. It's all too much. How am I going to rejig my life

in order to get on top of this? Some good news from Tuesday. John Richardson's taking over. It'll be you and him. First thing to go. Yeah, me and Michael have had a chat. Josh, we're going to let you go just so you can get your head around.

A bit of gardening leave. Yeah, we really want to be supportive around your mental health but yeah it does it is holding us back from producing content so just bear that in mind we can't miss an episode

again so that is that is one strike yeah no don't joke about this because this will be in the back of your head

it's one of your worries yeah oh yeah but anyway I'm glad you're feeling better I tell you now I was feeling very bad on Friday

before the last leg yeah we had Rosie Jones on I was like very bad on Friday before the last leg. Yeah. We had Rosie Jones on. I was like, I can't pull out of this. They put Rosie in my seat. Everyone would see what the option is. Of all the weeks, I can't pull out on this. So, did you really work up before doing the last leg then?

I was on Thursday, actually. Last Thursday. I was in quite a bad... It's the thing where... Do you know what I miss a lot? And I know this sounds weird, is the commute. Because it allows mind space between work and home to some extent. It's that thing where you go and leave the Zoom meeting and now I walk downstairs and I'm parenting. Do you know what I mean?

Yes. Because you don't get weekends when you've got two small kids. Yes. And I know this is, I'm not saying woe is me at all. No, not at all. I'm just saying, just saying, you know, it is bloody intense. Well, I think that's the misconception is that everyone should just be able to cope and only people that have it the worst can find it overwhelming,

which I think is ridiculous. And I think that life is so difficult for so many people for so many different reasons and it shouldn't become a competition of who's it's better for or worse if someone's not having a good time and feeling good they're not having a good time or feeling good whatever the circumstances are it's easy to point fingers and i think acknowledging it and trying to do do something about it is is really important and and because you don't have to live like that you shouldn't think to yourself well this is just life there is things you can do to help yourself do you know what i mean yeah and it doesn't always involve sort of money or work things or stuff it's just sort of creating time where i mean like on monday you just went

to the pub with your mate to have a pint just as a slight break which is it's rewiring your brain thing the way your brain thinks of going i can just do that and i'm not being a bad husband or bad at one job or a bad parent and you know because i think you know you can and rose can do the same as well and just not feeling guilty for not being around your kids all the time i put so much pressure on myself to as you know like i feel a huge guilt about doing these things. I don't know where this has come from, but over the last three years, I started to feel like work and parents. I just haven't got the other things.

Yeah, I haven't got the other things. And I think as well, you do. And the thing is, I think you were in such a sort of muddled headspace. Even when you did have time to yourself, you were so worked up and anxious. You weren't actually relaxing. You were thinking, I've got to really enjoy this now because I'm at Glastonbury and I've got childcare and we've been looking forward to this for two years. And if this isn't the best weekend ever,

it's been a waste of time because I'm back at work and you're on that treadmill. And I experienced that when my kids were a bit younger and I've got friends that had the exact same sort of burnout. And it's not sort of a big manic bipolar depressive episode it's just that I can't cope with what my life is like much longer it's all too much and you have to tell someone that's how you feel and I had it I've wrote about in my book in 2020 just before lockdown when I had a 20 so I would have had a what's the I would have had like a two-year-old and a four-year-old

and i was just burnt out for four years i've been doing work and parenting and when they're there they're at that young age they are so physically demanding and so tiring that you just don't catch up on sleep you never have any time for yourself but it and i know people laugh but like when they when they get into school and get into a bit more of a routine it does help but if you don't acknowledge it in your own head it'll never change because you'll just sit there worrying or i've got to go pick them up from school in a minute you know what i mean so it's it's well done to sort of draw the line in the sand rather than just plowing on make myself do it do you know what i mean exactly when i do stuff i can feel my anxiety rising so this afternoon after

this rob yeah what you're doing i might just go for a walk in the park that's nice on your own yeah i think you need a little hobby like i've got which is lego i like doing lego because i don't think i like doing um coloring in because i don't think or listen to some sort of podcast i've started i've bought a jet washing game on my computer i've been jet washing a computerized garden it's quite relaxing do you know what maybe anxiety is not that bad after all lou walked past me and saw me doing it and went you're a virgin the mother of my children i have had sex with her at least twice yeah that's a fact that's a that's a solid gold fact that's a solid gold fact um anyway well i'm glad you're feeling better josh no i'm well it's it's also it's a long road of ups and downs isn't it that's the other thing so i feel i felt awful yesterday on wednesday and today i feel much

better but what i would then previously have done is gone all right i'm great now so what i'll do is this is no you've got to go i feel better today but i've got to treat myself well even though i'm feeling like i can do stuff today if that makes sense a hundred percent just don't don't push yourself too much now there's one thing we need to do uh which we're meant to do on tuesday no no we don't need to do it we weren't meant to to do it. It doesn't matter. We're going to do it now. We're going to do it now. Change the way you're talking, Josh. Change the way I'm talking.

There's one thing that I didn't want to fucking do on Tuesday because I'm living my own life, right? These fucking nerds are making us do. That's it. Doesn't that feel better? The way you said it before was so you were in the wrong

and doing it all wrong, wasn't it? Should. I'm so bad for shoulds. I should do that anyway. Beverly Nightmare. mate shoulda woulda coulda exactly good guest if you're listening beverly we'd have you on now i'll tell you what before we i'll tell you what should fucking stress you out the amount of books you've signed they sent them to me i can't believe you've done that man no wonder you're stressed

fucking man i've only done one box. It takes forever. It takes forever. They need it back in six days. It's never going to happen. Well, the good news is, Rob, I've got good news for you. Yeah. Certain persons' breakdown has pushed the deadline of the printing of the book back. So you might have a little more time than you think. You know what?

I'm going to hang around with more burnt out people. This is great for me. I get to have all the benefits of you taking your foot off the gas without having to be stressed exactly actually let's see are you sure you've done enough work today i'm joking right okay what is the thing we've got right now so for the audio book of our book uh which um do you know what we i had to leave through and it's really funny, our book. It is a good book to be fair.

It is a good book. So for the audio book, we thought what would be nice is if we did the chapter titles like we do the start of the episode. Yes. So you can send in your children doing the chapter titles, saying the chapter titles. What's the email for this? Do we know the email?

Yeah, we do know the email it's not on this email from michael no no but i've got it oh you've got it for why the email send me the admin uh because you're in florida and he texted me about it yeah it doesn't really feel much like i've been on holiday and left you to hold the fort and it's been a bit unfair sort of balance of he didn't include the fucking email i'm sure oh yeah here we go it doesn't matter josh it doesn't matter send it josh you know what we can fuck all these people off we don't have to do any of this of... He didn't include the fucking email. I'm sure I've seen... Oh yeah, here we go. It doesn't matter, Josh. It doesn't matter. Send it. Josh, you know what? We can fuck all these people off. We don't have to do any of this. Don't know. Fuck Michael.

That's what I say. Fuck him. I'd love it if you went on a mad run page of something like smoking cigars and going on jet skis like Simon Cowell. I'm living my life. Imagine if your best life was basically Bahamas jet skis with sunita and i tell you what rob i've got enough money in the bank to keep that going for about three months

what three months though what three months okay so what's the right what's the email josh parenting hell book at bonnier books b-o-n-n-i-e-r books.co.uk do not send it to our normal email address no send to we will ignore those if not send it to our normal email address. No. We will ignore those. If you send it to our normal email address, not only will we not get you on the book, we will delete that email

and you'll never be able to email us ever again. Exactly, yes. Parenting Hell book at bonnier, B-O-N-N-I-E-R books.co.uk. Books is pluralised and we'll put it in the chat in the description it's in the on the description on your phone or whatever you're listening on who's not listening on a phone uh it's uh it's there i've got to read out the chapter so these are the words that we

want your you to get your kids to say you don't have to do all all of them you could do one of them here we go so we've got introduction life before having a baby, pregnancy, birth, first few weeks, your relationship, sleep, wee, poo and vomit. And that was sick, shit and piss, but they've changed that. Yeah, they've changed it. Kiss. Wee, poo and vomit, feeding, losing your social life, discipline, holidays. And then there were two, entertaining your child, going to school or nursery,

friendship, who am I anymore, and conclusion. Conclusion feels a bit... Yeah, I feel like we could have banded up those titles. Do you think we should change? Don't add more work, Josh. They are the titles we put in as like our holding. The thing is, in the book, it's got the... We're going to change conclusion.

Don't write in with conclusion. Why don't you riff your own one for conclusion? Well, I tell you what, do what I've just read out and then riff your own one and make them pick. Yeah. You might even write the title of the chapter. Do whichever ones you want. Josh, isn't this an easier way?

You've just delegated this to our listeners. They'll happily help you out with thinking of a title for a chapter. Do whichever ones you want. Josh, isn't this an easier way? You've just delegated this to our listeners. They'll happily help you out with thinking of a title for a chapter. Yeah, this is a much better way of doing it, right? And do you know what, Josh? I've put my heart and soul

into this book, but can I tell you something? I don't give a fuck what the chapter's called. I didn't think about the chapter titles because in the book... Are you worrying now?

Are you worrying? No, well, in the book it's fine because there's like a nice quote from the chapter as the kind of heading of the chapter, but in the audiobook that's not the case. So why don't you just riff whatever you want as well?

Oh, my God, they're going to absolutely kill us for this. Fuck it. Fuck it. Fuck it. Yes, Josh. If you're going to work with fucking riffers, that's what you're going to get. If you're going to work with a fucking cool dude's comedian like Josh Whitaker who just bowls around with cigars and his leather jackets yeah that's what you signed up to so just say losing

your social but let them riff on it really and we'll use them put in your in your heading which chapter titles they've done because that'll make it easier for them perfect right i think that makes sense um well thank you very much we've got probably we'll probably plug it again at some point so it'll make sense another day here Here come the carrots making their way upfield, followed by the whole wheat bread, over to the two dozen eggs. Sir, do you do this every time? Sorry, I've been a little excited ever since I got this BMO Toronto FC cashback MasterCard. Oh, and the broccoli boots it over the line. What a goal! How would you like to pay, sir?

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That's good. Um, yeah, so I am feeling better in that sense. But I mean, I think I probably said at the time that just full disclosure, we haven't just sat here and listened to that. So I'm trying to remember what I said. Well, basically, from my point, what I got was you felt a bit burnt out, a bit overwhelmed and not really enjoying life. You were sort of getting through it each day with parenting and work and you just wasn't having much fun at all and wasn't enjoying yourself. I'd say Friday

last leg was tough. Yeah. If I'm honest with you. That was a really tough day. And you're building up to a live TV show. All day long, yeah. All day long. And man, I just felt fucking yeah. All day long. And, man, I just felt fucking empty. It was awful. And, um,

I had a beer at 9pm to try and just make myself feel normal. I'd never drink before the show. Oh, really? Well, that's not good, is it? Well, actually, it was fine, because it kind of loosened me up. That's the slippery slope, though, isn't it? I know it's the slippery slope. I'm not going to do it.

You already have three. I need to have a bloody beer before the last one. Have you tried cocaine? Really peps you up. But I yeah, that was quite weird because people were like oh, bloody legend here, having a beer before the show

and I was thinking, not really. That's not quite what you're saying. I'm sort of panicking a bit. Oh, dear. But you seem a lot in a higher spirits and a bit calmer than you did a week ago. It's obviously, you know, an ongoing thing. But it's got, do you know what it is, Rob? It's, I can't use the fact that i feel okay

today and felt okay yesterday to think that i can then just go back to living like i was yes where you were just you were taking on far too much stuff and you were worrying about everything to an nth degree of like you know when because we've had this the podcast not going up just due to the technical problems and you were like oh we can't see that or not do that and just sort of thinking about you're trying to problem solve about 15 different things that we have zero control over and it will get sorted when it when it gets sorted but um yeah i think um just taking it easy serenity prayer rob that's always i'd say one of the great are you aware of the serenity prayer that was a serenity prayer it's grown as a serenity in mind to accept that which cannot be changed,

the courage to change what can be changed, and the wisdom to know one from the other. And I don't know one from the other. No, no. I am bad at knowing what I can and can't change. Yeah, because I think you've got a terrible, I'd say, mix of relentlessly trying to change things and make it better, but having zero self-belief that you can do it.

So it's sort of like a salmon upstream. Even though you can do it some days, it's totally within your control, but you still won't believe you can, but it won't stop you. Yeah, it certainly won't. But yeah, it's a work in progress, life. Yeah, it is.

And so hopefully, you know, this will all be a positive it will be i think it's absolutely brilliant to be so open and honest about it and you sort of have to when we do this podcast because that's what this podcast is and it's just people feel like that at times i felt like that before and you know you know you know this as well like it makes me sound like the biggest prick of all time but i don't know if you've read my book but if you do read it i basically explain what you're going through and how i felt yeah it's a really good example of it it's a really good and it's really nice that you know because you know it's the classic isn't it but people appear all right but they're not a lot of the time yeah that's the

issue isn't it it's not that you can't do that when you feel bad is that you can do it and you can cover it up at the same time and there's probably a percentage of people doing about 15 million different jobs that feel like that but people get too good at hiding it and the quicker you are to be honest about it the quicker it'll get resolved and you can crack on with enjoying waking up in the morning rather than getting through the day um anyway you how I woke up this morning with my daughter in, Rose is away at the moment. Oh yeah.

Yeah, she's away, so you've got the kids on your own. Yeah, she's a hendo in Ibiza. Not the best timing, is it? No. But I didn't want to say that. Rob, grant me the serenity to know what can and cannot be changed.

And those flights cannot be changed. We had a lovely day yesterday, though. It's actually, you know... What did you do? Morning. Sorry, I meant morning, just a quick funeral. A bit of morning. A bit of morning for the fact that Mum's left.

Morning, we went to the park. And then in the afternoon, we went to Sunday lunch at our friend's house. Oh, nice. And then my daughter is sleeping in our room because when I'm away, she sleeps on the floor. And so when Rose is away, I gave her that opportunity. And it's actually really nice that. Yeah. It's a very pleasant thing.

Well, Lou was away last week and then my youngest has been struggling to sleep. I'll get onto it in a minute about the jet lag from coming back from america but to uh she about three in the morning she went daddy i don't know i went get in the bed she jumped in that bed in about like half a second curled up and had little sleep and it was so it's so cute and then like we were we slept in a little bit because of the jet lag we were sleeping in more and going to bed later and someone was gardening at about 8 a.m like really loud at all moments but it's so loud i went just put the pillow over your ears and she did it was both laying there with pillows over her ears now tell me about your holiday yeah so basically last

time we properly spoke i was still in florida wasn't it that the audience have ever heard apart from that one we just played in um So basically, what has happened? Yeah, so when I was down in sort of more rural Florida, I got left alone completely and said I didn't like it. But then when I was at Disney, it was amazing. And they got to meet Mickey and Minnie, which was very special. Oh, wow. Did they not get to meet them the first time? No, because of COVID, it weren't allowed when they went the first time.

So they met Minnie and Mickey, which was pretty special. Lou had a photo with Minnie and Mickey as well. And I just, I'm not sure about adults having photos with Mickey and Minnie. There is a comedian, Rob, who's currently at Disneyland who doesn't have any kids. Oh, yeah, because he messaged me about this. He was going, he's going with his partner, isn't he? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay.

Yeah. So they've gone and they are they're loving it they're absolutely loving it do you think your kids are the problem they're holding you back at disneyland would you enjoy if it was just you and lou uh yeah in a different way um so basically get back to disney i'm a brilliant time at disney right but the heat is too much it's the humidity in august is unbearable and because i you know when you're in america you eat a lot i was about i was so hot like walking around the kids and i'm about a stone overweight i was sweating my god you looked like such a brit i look terrible in the humidity oh my god i wear it bad me too my hair was so big because i

didn't have an haircut and it just goes out like a mushroom. I've got the glasses slipping down my nose like some sort of sweaty pedo. And then, like, everyone was English. Literally everyone. Oh, so it was different to last time? Yeah, so it was more English than last time. I definitely would recommend April or October just because of the heat and stuff. And I don't mind it, but then I was in the queue on my own

and there was this English couple and started talking to me and i'm just so hot and i was like oh yeah yeah cool and then her and her daughter just turned around and was chatting to me and it was at that point of a queue where it's sort of everyone's sort of merging so it's sort of like everyone right at the front we weren't in the proper like single like line and she's talking to me and about 10 15 people go part and i can just see minutes clocking up of the queue. And I went, you're going to have to stop talking to me and turn around and join the queue. Because I wasn't in like PR smooth hey guys mode. I was literally just like, but I was like, we're going to miss the ride here.

If you don't get out, I'll carry on. And then I think I was just getting a little bit too hot. And I was like, my glasses were slipping down. I was all hot and overweight and all sweat patches. Factor 50. And, you know, and people wanted photos. We had a photo. And at one point she said, you don't look very happy in that photo.

And I was like, well, I can't lie. It's 40 degrees. I look like a pedo. I'll have the photo, but I can't promise to look happy in it. And then, you know, I've been getting better at rides. Yeah. I went on. So I was building up to go on Aerosmith's Rock and Roll Roller Coaster.

Aerosmith's a band? Yeah. So they've got a ride there. And it's basically their music plan. And the ride is that you're escaping from LA. And there's like, it's in the dark. There's all like neon signs and i i and i just i i thought i'd be fine but i had like a panic attack because because basically i think

the reason i don't like rides is my mum when i was little told me that a friend died on a roller coaster so i remember that when as a joke or as a true story that she told me about my mum and dad never really liked rides and i remember being on one of the really horrible rides that was, you know, like a common, it was like Woolwich Common or something like that, like a fairground thing. And it was like a metal cage that spanned round. And I remember my brother not liking it and him crying. I remember putting my fingers in like these little metal holes,

like little, like, and screaming, going like a chain link thing, going, stop the ride, stop the ride. And I think that's why I don't like rides. So I've got better at it. I've been working through it and stuff and doing all my breathing and you know what's in the way is the way there is an argument rob that yeah they're not things that you have to do in your life do you know what i mean yeah i agree and i don't go on ones that are big drops but really

fast ones i do like so i knew i'd like that ride once i was on it but my anxiety just wouldn't let me get on it the same way as my anxiety stopped me from doing stand-up for years or performing at school for years. So I knew once I broke through that, because if you saw me at school, you never thought I'd been a comedian. You know what I mean? But I walked through like that, and then I heard screaming, and it was dark, and I could feel myself getting a bit panicky.

Then when I walked through, it's actually like a chain-link fence around the edge of the ride. And I was like, the ride's supposed to be like the back streets of LA. It's all like a chain-link. So I was like ride and i was like like the rides because it's supposed to be like the back streets of la it's all like a chain so i was like and then that's because i was then i was getting flashbacks to that ride as a kid and i was like oh my god so i'm having a full panic attack now and i thought it's not worth it and then i'm trying to go what's in the way is the way i'm trying to do all my like meditative shit like that and i'm losing my head and then someone goes hello can i have a photo a photo? You're from Taskmaster. Then my anxiety went up again.

Oh God. And then someone took a photo of me. So there's a photo in the world of me having a panic attack. Oh my God. Well, that fits in with our, we were doing a, when's the weirdest place

you've had a panic attack, right in one way as well. Yeah, exactly. But then, and then I bottled it and I went, and then that photo threw me over the edge. I went, let's just get off. Let's get out. And then I didn't do the ride in the end however I didn't beat myself up

too much about it and then when we go back I will try and do it but I think it was just all too much and then then I had a bit of a uh outburst at the airport Josh um so like I say they're not the place for you are they this year I like I say I always have a photo I don't want this to be the whole having photos I'm famous episode but it's what happened in the last bit of florida and anyway i was in the airport um we just checked all our bags in we're all a bit tired and blah blah blah and it's been you know i've had to drop the hire car off i've carried all the bags you know anyway so i'll get the kids a bit of food before you go through and a few people have come up said have some photos whatever that's fine and then it's sort of 16 17 year old kid walked past filming me with my daughters eating like a pizza and i just sort

of put my hand up and sort of did the like you know like cross your neck like cut it out no don't film please yeah kind of thing and he sort of just laughed and carried on filming what and then and i just carried on like properly filming like my daughters like, my daughters. And I just, honestly, don't remember anything. And then all of a sudden, I was in front of him telling him off. So I just ran over there. Wow. And I just went. Yeah, but that's so weird.

That's inappropriate behavior, right? Well, exactly. Like, you can't film. I don't care. You can't film my kids. I'm just not having it. Do you know what I mean? But I went over there.

And because I got there so quick, and I was still chewing my pizza, I couldn't really enunciate. So I was going mate that's bono of order that's no tower of order can you stop filming my kids and he's like in his defense he went bright red really apologetic and i didn't shout him i said look have a photo of me if you want but you i can't i said stop you didn't i can't have someone i don't know filming my children mate it's not on and he went oh i'm really sorry i didn't. I can't have someone, I don't know, filming my children, mate. It's not on. And he went, oh, I'm really sorry. I didn't realise. I got a bit overexcited.

I went, not a problem. If you want to fight with me, that's actually fine. But you can't be filming my kids. Still got half a pizza in the side of my mouth. I've moved to the side, right? Anyway, then his sister comes up going, what are you having a go at him for? But like proper like, you know, like teenage girl energy. I went, he was filming my kids.

Like, he said sorry. That's fine. But like, he can't be, he can't be happening. And he went, oh, why are you having a go at me? I went, I'm not having a go at you. I'm having a go at him. And she went, I've done nothing. I went, I know you've done nothing.

I went, I'm not talking to you. So now I'm having a bar near her. And then she goes, oh, he's out of order. I'm going to go and get dad. I'm like, oh no, don't get dad. Oh no. Fuck it. Oh no.

And I'm just like, oh my God. And I know I'm waiting for dad. I felt like I was at school. You know when they go, I'm going to get my brother or my dad. Oh, no. Fuck it. Oh, no. And I'm just like, oh, my God. And now I'm waiting for dad. I felt like I was at school. You know when they go, I'm going to get my brother or my dad. Oh, my God. Did you wait? Yeah, I waited.

But do you know what? Did you and the brother say anything while you were waiting for the dad to turn up? He was going, oh, look, I'm really sorry. And I went, me and him were like best friends by then. I went, look, mate, I've no problem with you whatsoever. I just, you can't film my kids. You can't film my kids. I went, I know you're young. When you have kids, you'll totally get it. But you can't you can't film my kids i went i know

you're young when you have kids you'll totally get it but you can't be filming my kids mate all right and then the dad come over and he was fucking massive and i was like do you know what though i was so amped up i was like um if he at this point what are lou and your daughter's doing at this point sitting there eating pizza and watching it unfold they're watching and but i was in such sort of red mist. If either of them had gone back at me, I think I'd have ended up being arrested for having a fight in an airport.

I think, just to be clear, you'd have been arrested for having a fight in an airport. That's not part of the crime. Yeah. I'd have been arrested for having a fight in an airport. But to be fair, the dad come over and he went, what's going on?

I went, look, he was filming my kids and I just told him not to. And the dad was like, okay, fair enough. Okay. And he was sort of a bit embarrassed. But then I felt horrible after. And you should have said, and your daughter, that's the one, that's the one I've got a problem with, mate. She was just trying to defend her brother because I was sort of telling him off.

So it was all fine. And then I felt really bad and I thought I should go over and apologise. And I go, well, I shouldn't really, because I don't think i've done anything wrong i didn't shout i wasn't aggressive i just said please stop filming my kids which is fine but it was just sort of it's really hard to know if you're doing the right thing or not i think you've done the right thing there though i don't i don't think there's a it's just an unfortunate situation where you can see why everyone has acted like they have if that makes sense yeah and it was all fine in the end but i just i just hate it's horrible sort of being told off as an adult.

Did you enjoy the rest of your pizza? No, I sort of just spat it out into a tissue and I got back and I said, Daddy, who were those people you were talking to? I was like, just some friends from work. I sprinted at and spoke at still eating pizza. That was a bit... But I think I was a bit...

I've absolutely loved the summer holidays. And I've took the whole summer holidays off really. And I'm in a very privileged position to do it. I mean, I'm working basically the whole of the autumn nonstop. But I am excited for the kids to go back to school. You just sort of lose time for yourself. When do they go back to school? Next week?

I think it's like the 5th or 6th. So back next week. It's the last week this week. My daughter's first day at school next week, bro. Oh, yes. We haven't spoke about that. Have you got the uniform? Yeah, I back next week. It's the last week this week. My daughter's first day at school next week, bro. Oh, yes. We even spoke about that. Have you got the uniform? Yeah, I got the uniform.

She loves the uniform. Oh, does she? Also, so this is recorded. This will go out the day of her last day at nursery, which I can only do. I'm gutted because obviously I can only do drop off.

I can't do pick up. Oh, because it's last leg. Yeah. They gave us a photo photo they've got a little graduation gown that they've got all the kids in and taking a photo of at nursery oh that's cute yeah so she's got a graduation photo she seems totally fine with it absolutely fine with it but she doesn't understand obviously not that i'm saying you need to understand this is a big deal. But like, I think... I love that.

So Josh, Josh just sat her down and goes, you've got to realise this is quite a big fucking change for you. Yeah, this is going to be tough. You're going to fucking hate this. Yeah. I think, you don't know, because you don't really know what to think. You don't want to...

I'm just trying not to think about it, if that makes sense. I'm not really overthinking this. I think that's the perfect thing. It's actually surprisingly far from my concerns, if you know what I mean. I feel quite... But I worry in two months I'll go, well, you're overconfident about that. Do you know what I mean?

But what can you do? But there's no point worrying about that because you're inventing things to worry about. It's absolutely... But the reality is there is nothing you can do. You can buy the uniform, make sure she gets an early night and you're not dragging around pubs and, you know, taking her to things. Make sure she gets a good early night and she's got the right uniform.

You drop her off on time, your job's done. Rob. It's on her then. Rob, grant us the serenity of mind to accept that which cannot be changed, the courage to change which can be changed, and the wisdom to know one from the other. Exactly. So, yeah, I think that's something you can overthink here

and it's more the parents issue than the kid the kid is like oh i'm going off somewhere with some new people in a cool uniform and all the i can do pe there and learn to read and write and all these fun things where we're going oh my god my baby well she's so excited because when she did the open day they had a space hopper and that's all she goes on about and her friend is going to a different school it's like jealous that my daughter's going to a school that's got a space hopper. And you're going, you guys have,

you really focus on some weird shit, don't you, when you're four? Yeah, but or are you the one focusing on weird shit? Yeah. Invented scenarios for two months' time. Yeah, exactly. Just be excited about your space hopper, mate. Yeah, just look forward to the space hopper. You've got your own guitar in your office, mate.

That's exciting. You can play that whenever you want. Exactly. I haven't touched it in years. She goes to school and my son goes to nursery on the same day. What a decision that was. So what's the schedule? What's the drop off?

What's your new school commute and drop off time? I love school commutes. So it's 9.30 it starts. Is that every day or is that just the initial? Every day. Okay, 9.30, that's late, isn't it? Yeah, it's good, isn't it? And it closes, stops, what, finishes?

School ends? Ends. Ends at four. Right, so it finishes a bit late. Yeah, so we've got a, you can drop off between 8am and 8.30am and then pick up from like ten past three or something. Right, so it finishes a bit late. Yeah, so we've got a... You can drop off between 8am and 8.30am and then pick up from like 10 past three or something. Right, yeah. And there's after-school clubs.

There are after-school clubs. She's turned down karate. They said, we need to know on karate before it starts. That's a tough call. That's too many decisions for a four-year-old, five-year-old to make. I thought, do you know what? I'm sure if she gets a thirst for karate in six months,

we can sweet talk them into getting in the karate. But let's not throw her into karate week one. I've still got a taekwondo outfit for a four-year-old that's never been worn. If you need that, it's pretty much the same outfit, isn't it? Yeah, exactly. So 9.30 and then what times you can drop off your boy at the nursery? Well, that's... The nursery's really near the school, so...

Oh, so you can just do that straight after? Straight after. Perfect. Yeah, yeah. So that's good. 9.30, yeah, so it's a late one, isn't it? So what's your plan for after school and stuff like that, the first week? Oh, man, we've so not talked about it enough. So what's your short-term plan and then long-term plan am i stressing you out no no no it's it's fine what's

my short-term plan well because you don't want to bang them into after school club no no on the first week although i saw my friend yesterday whose daughter's just done the first year yeah and he said we left it too late with after school clubs because once she'd learned that school could finish at three, it was too late. Yeah. Okay. Because we got it the other way around because we don't do many after school clubs. Occasionally we do if it's an activity she wants to do or say, I've got work and Lou's got something going on. We may put her in there for an hour or two.

But she's well up for it. She's been asking to go. Yeah, oh, that's good. That's good. Yeah, I think we're refreshingly unprepared, Rob, if I'm honest with you. And how late can they stay? What's the latest?

Six? Do they do it till six? Probably, yeah. That's the thing. The two days he's at nursery, we'll probably put her in after-school club because otherwise we're not really getting the most out of the nursery time, if you know what know what i mean yeah you might as well do those

two days that she's in and then everyone's in till sixish or whatever and then that way you can get all your all your admin all the boring stuff that you need to do about kids because that's what the hard thing in school holidays i got stitched right up after the holiday so i went and got the cat in the morning then i had to go and get the dog. Lou, I don't know what Lou was doing, but I ended up taking the two girls to the hairdressers with me to sit in the hairdressers. Oh, I've not told you this about the dogs, right? For your own hair?

Yeah, so I had to get my hair cut. I had to get my hair cut. So I took the girls to get my hair cut, and then we went from the hairdressers to pick up the dog, right? So I took a bottle of water in the hairdressers for the girls to share. Obviously, the eldest sculled it, necked it to wind up the dog right so i took a bottle of water in the hairdressers for the girls to share obviously the eldest scold it necked it to wind up the younger one so of course the hairdresser charlotte lovely charlotte said don't worry i'll get you some more water gave it to the youngest she scold that oh so the eldest so she filled it up again and then they had half each

anyway have me a cut get me get me a done drive to the dog hotel to pick up the dog right yeah both need a wee yeah of course nowhere to go it's basically a motorway and there's no toilet in the dog hotel well there is but the dog hotel is basically on a farm and they get this giant field to run around in all day and then they get put in a kennel at night okay yeah it's lovely right really good um so they go and do that and then um and then i get there and i think they'll have a toilet yeah so we go there you get there there's 40 dogs in a field right and then you knock and then there's a they basically go oh it's your you wait outside because if you go in it's bedlam and then they bring your dog out with all the stuff and then you go home i say excuse me do

you have a toilet yeah yeah we do only problem is it's in the field and it's a port-a-loo what so they've just got one port-a-loo what so they've just got one port-a-loo in the foot for the workers during the day yeah of course so she went come in if you want i'll try and put the dogs away there was still 35 dogs out right i'm now walking through a field holding my kids hands with 40 dogs oh my god with 40 dogs around us but they're all they're all massive because there's like ones, big ones. There's a husky that's head and shoulders above the four-year-old, right? So they love dogs, but it's a bit overwhelming.

So I end up having to carry them. So I'm carrying two children under each arm to the port-a-loo, and then I chuck them in the port-a-loo, shut the door, and now I'm literally being attacked and licked by dogs. But not like cute puppy ones, massive ones, all jumping at me, pushing me over. And then... Oh, my God.

And then I get out... Please tell me that's CCTV. There probably is, I'll have to ask. And then I have to carry the kids who both have a wee through 40... Josh, I like my dog. I don't like lots of dogs.

And was your dog one of the 40 dogs? He's out the front being held by the person that works there to go... But I don't like dogs of dogs. And was your dog one of the 40 dogs? He's out the front being held by the person that works there to go home. But I don't like dogs. I like my dog, but I don't like... Whenever I go to the park... You probably like your dog. Well, he's all right.

But, you know, I've got to stop giving him a thumbs up because he doesn't even know what that means. No. They don't know what point in his dogs. They just look at your finger. If you go over there... Of course, yeah. They don't know that you mean over there.

They just think, look at my... They think, look... They think you're saying, look at your finger if you go go over there they don't know that you mean over there they've just been look at my they think look at anything you're saying look at the end of my finger and he's like yeah i will mate where is it anyway oh yeah so that was that was a bit of a disaster oh man um so yeah school because my youngest starts her first day of primary school next week oh so it's a big thing for her as well yeah but she's really chilled but because my eldest has gone there she's quite comfortable with it all we're quite relaxed because and stuff so she's used to all the uniform and things like that so it's uh yeah we're really i'm really excited actually i think they need a bit of structure because one thing i'd say if you do go to america in summer holidays and there's no school immediately after you can never get them out of jet lag because there's nothing to get up

for so my kids weren't going to bed till like two in the morning oh my god and then waking up at like 11 a.m oh mate you've got teenagers we were all over the place so have you managed to reset them before school yeah they're better now our bedtimes are still way too late they're still going to bed about nine o'clock and then getting up about seven or eight but as soon as they because we have to get them up about seven in the morning for school. That will sort him out. But yeah, no, it was good. But yeah, it was the carnage coming back with the dog and all that.

I've got a few more funny things that my kids say that is wrong. Oh yeah, yes, please. One says, for some reason she called the arcade on holiday the canteen. And I don't know why. I've corrected her every time.

And she goes, can we go to the canteen again? Yeah, that's a've corrected her every time and she goes can we go to the canteen again yeah that's a weird one that isn't it what's really weird if they the games room i called it like game place but the canteen um oh yeah in florida because i have loads of electrical storms and they'll play an air raid siren around the pool will they what means get out there's a storm coming and you have to get out of the pool which is absolutely terrifying did it happen yeah because it's um stormy season in august as well florida i didn't really look at the i didn't really google it properly before you went if i'm honest with you yeah um they call downloads on their um devices low downs your daughters or

america yeah you know we've got the downloads the ones that are saved onto the pad yeah yeah they call them low downs we've got no low, the ones that are saved onto the pad. Yeah, yeah. They call them lowdowns. We've got no lowdowns, which is really cute. Yeah, that's quite cool, actually, isn't it? I've got any lowdowns. It doesn't make sense, does it, from a technical point of view? Yeah, no, of course, of course. Oh, and I've got to tell you this.

This is an amazing... We went to Legoland, right, last week, because we're absolutely obsessed. And, I mean, the amount of times people say to me, where's Romesh? Does Rom get where's Romesh does Rom get where's Rob yeah all the time

and do you know what I think I'm getting a bit short tempered with it because I'm out and about with my kids all the time at the moment

so I'm not really in work mode but sorry if it sounds like I'm whinging I don't want to be that person are they saying it as a joke

or do they genuinely want to know if Romesh is there as well it's a bit of banter right yeah but I just I don't i just don't i don't know i don't know where he is portugal i think um yeah a couple more things so basically was in

lego land and we went with another couple and my mate he's very good at sport quite annoyingly good at sport he wanted to do that basketball one through the hoop to win a big teddy yeah he does it wins a teddy for his daughter my kids want one i can't do it spend about a ten i can't do it she's crying all upset eventually my mate goes and he goes don't worry i'll try again for you because my daughter's like desperately going please win one please win one right anyway so he gets there and another woman comes up and goes please can you because we're holding the big teddy she goes please can you win one for my daughter we'll pay you to play oh now he's like right he's like oh my god so he's

already got my daughter what do you want anyway he gets the basketball sinks it again wins one for my daughter oh my god then my other daughter goes i want one i want one oh my god oh my god and then and then andy the other woman from earlier goes we've got one ball left have a go gives them the ball he sinks another one what he won two on the spin no

and three in total including the first one so he's going to get thrown out in a minute like a cheat in a casino exactly

so now he's won three giant teddies and then that woman goes off with her daughter all happy then my eldest daughter is like oh win one for me

win one for me I'm like here here we go. Tell you what, I'm banging back down another tenner. This guy's on form. He's got it, right? He's absolutely clutch. Anyway, does it. Misses everyone.

Oh, no. So now she's in absolutely floods of tears. Oh, my God. And then we're now walking around. I've got this giant sloth I'm walking around with. Yeah. And I just felt like an absolute little bitch. Yeah.

Just like the pathetic dad that couldn't do it. Oh, he has that. Next to fucking Michael Jordan and his massive sl with. Yeah. And I just felt like an absolute little bitch. Yeah. Just like the pathetic dad that couldn't do it next to fucking Michael Jordan and his massive sloth. Yeah. And then, but for my eldest daughter, it must have been so frustrating

because when he scored two in a row, he looked so effortless. Yeah. It almost felt like he was missing on purpose, which he wasn't. No. But to her eyes.

Did he confidently go into the final ones for your daughter or was he always a bit surprised when he sunk it? He was surprised when he sunk the first one. Yeah. Surprised a bit when he got the second one. And then the third one, it was like, it was unbelievable. Everyone was like, oh my God, he had a crowd. It was amazing.

And then I think we both just thought, the next one's in the bag. If I buy him 10 goes he's getting one he didn't but and it's all but anyway we recovered she got a slightly better toy in the toy shop at the end but it was a good day out lego land i think my um it's good for young kids really good for young kids um my kids i think might be getting a bit old for it now because they're just the thrill seekers um oh small business shout out josh before we uh vamoose let me get my emails up rob on the small business shout out yeah do you remember i did a small business shout out a while ago about pen pal thing between children and uh old people yes uh my daughter we we signed her up

to it and she's just got her first letter from her 91-year-old pen pal. Is it? Yeah, which I found... Which she's so excited about as well. What does it say? So they've, like, drawn a picture. So she drew a picture of herself. So my daughter sent first, drew a picture of herself,

and then they answer questions, and it's called... I've got it here. Crafting Connections. It's really good. Oh, my daughters would love that she's got to write back to her 91 year old pen pal so she's just got her first letter I haven't done that, I feel like I should now

it's really good if anyone wants to do it, but sorry it just flagged in my mind right, let's do a new one, I've got one that you're going to like go on it's called www.ada camper hire.co.uk and i'm spelling that a y d a camper hire and it is a camper hire based in devon located in willand not far from j27 of the m5 do Do you know it? Willand? No, I've never heard of it. Willand Village in England.

W-I-L- A-N-D. They said Josh will know, so you don't. No, I don't. I've never known Willand. I mean, I know where it is. I can sit on a map and go, oh, that's where it is. It's near Tiverton.

But no, I've never been to Willand. Okay, we would love to welcome Josh to come home and explore with us alternatively being from bexley we could help rob with exploring more than just exeter we're also pet friendly so he can bring the whip it along for family fun so it's um ada camper hire.co.uk regards lewis and sarah ada camper hire and they're on instagram ada camper hire um oh it's a cool oh it's a nice modern fancy one oh very nice it's like a big vw but brand new with a little lid pops up oh that looks fun very nice i said to lou should we get a cam should we get a camper van she went absolutely not however i do think she'd be in favor of hiring one yeah i can only drive automatic so

double check it's an automatic please ada i'm pathetic aren't i have you got a small business yep hi rob and josh i work in a team of a small not-for-profit called green bums that would love a shout out from you guys we're a biodegradable nappy company selling bamboo nappies and pull-ups presumably that's softer than it sounds right the idea is i think to... I don't think they've used pure bamboo like a panda would eat. No, exactly. It's not like a kind of wicker chair. They also do a sideline in E45 and Pseudocreme for the ripped arses. The idea is to reduce the number of disposable nappies that are sent to landfill,

as these take an average of 500 years to decompose. This means that if Henry VIII had worn disposable nappies that are sent to landfill as these take an average of 500 years to decompose this means that if henry the eighth had worn disposable nappies they would still be decomposing today our nappies are completely degradeable except for their adhesive strips we're working on ways to provide hot compost facility for customers so that nappies make the smallest possible impact on mother nature it will really shock you to find out how much waste is caused by disposable nappies you can find our website at www.greenbums.co.uk or facebook.com forward slash eco green bums keep up the good work tom from bournemouth there we go rob it's been an absolute pleasure bunmuff more like oh that's nice is that good is that good stuff and the most exciting thing rob is we've recorded this.

We've got no idea if it'll ever go out. Isn't that the dream? We'd do it anyway, I think, even if it didn't go out. Yeah, exactly. Just me and you. We'll just record it. Michael pretends to go out. Just pops it in his recycling bin.

Right, well, we'll see you Friday with another interview. Fingers crossed. Bye. Bye.