Rob Beckett and Josh Widdicombe's Parenting Hell - S05 EP27: Gary Neville

Episode Date: October 25, 2022

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Hello, I'm Rob Beckett. And I'm Josh Willicombe. Welcome to Parenting Hell, the show in which Josh and I discuss what it's really like to be a parent, which I would say can be a little tricky. So, to make ourselves, and hopefully you, feel better about the trials and tribulations of modern day parenting, each week we'll be chatting to a famous parent about how they're coping. Or hopefully how they're not coping. And we'll also be hearing from you, the listener, with your tips, advice and, of course, tales of parenting woe.

Because, let's be honest, there are plenty of times when none of us know what we're doing. Hello, you're listening to Parenting Hell with... Lexi, can you say Rob? Rob. Beckett. Beckett. And can you say Josh? Josh.

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And can you say Uncle? Uncle. Mike. Mike. Oh! Nepotism. Mike. Mike. Oh! Nepotism. There we go. I see.

Tell you what I like there, it's because I can see the recording. I can see it. I thought there's something more here. There's more. There's more to come. So, Uncle Mike. So, I thought Michael,

you're not on a mic so you can shout, but I thought it was always Michael, not Mike, but you let the kids call you Mike. I let the kids and one of my sisters abbreviate but no one else no one else is that michael because when i first met michael he wouldn't let me call him mike um but now i know there is a weakness there and that is family hi rob and josh this is our lexi who's 27 months old as you can probably guess, she is also the niece of producer Michael. We all find it a bit weird people talking about his sexy voice on the podcast. Love the show. Kat, Sommer and Lexi.

There we go. Oh, nice. Very nice. I'm going to take my headphones off. We're doing this face to face again, aren't we? Yeah, I know. We can't get enough of each other. Our schedules have been very busy, haven't they?

So it's good to be in town together yeah i like it because we've not been at home by laptops but most importantly how did we haven't caught up on this birthday party five year olds your daughter's birthday party recorded the morning the day after yes so um huge success i'd say lovely stuff from the jaws of defeat oh what happened well well there wasn't you didn't have an entertainer. We got an entertainer. Yeah. We got,

so, the things we had, room above a pub. Yes. Children. Children. An entertainer. We had,

makeup, what's it called? Face paint. Just a makeup. Makeup. Make-up. Just, yeah, like, look, girls. I think you need to put a bit of effort in. It is a five-year-old party.

Yeah, come on. Come on. Put on a bit of slap, for God's sake. Yeah, don't worry, lads. The boys just watched the football. Yeah. It's quite an old-school wedding. Yeah, well, it was.

Wedding birthday. So, we also had a craft station. Oh. That I thought, no one's going to go to this. And it was bloody popular. Was it? Little girls, mate. They loved the crafts.

What about the boys? Did boys craft? Boys didn't craft. A couple of... It was mainly the girls that crafted. The craft. We had a slight incident with a couple of the boys. What?

They stole a naked bar from the bag of one of the other parents so i had to go up to to a mum from my daughter's new school middle class i barely knew a pocket or two oh i've got a i've got a new naked bar and a some coconut water i barely know this mum you know obviously but that'sid a bar? I had to go up to her and go, do you have a gold bag? And she said, yes. And I said, I'm afraid. I maybe overplayed it.

She looked like I was about to give some really bad news. So actually when I said, I'm afraid a boy's stolen your naked bar, she was pleasantly relieved. If I'm honest with you. The bag's still there, but the naked bar's not long for this world. What was the food situation

at the party for the kids so we did the pub let us cater ourselves yeah I made pizzas at home and we did them

oh so you cooked pizzas at home and brought them in yeah pizzas sandwiches pom bears um classic

absolute classic the pom bears must be thinking how do you break through to adults they're a good crisp they are a good crisp they've got to do something to get there i think it's the bear the bear is the issue no adult wants to buy a bear shaped crisp or they make the bear bigger yeah and they're like dorito size yeah because it's a good crisp i think they're underrated there's this implication that they're the kind of okay face of crisps for kids.

And I do wonder what's going on, how they've managed to create that kind of image. They're basically a health snack. You can't give McCoy's to a one-year-old. No. Imagine giving Flamed Steak Ridge. I love a McCoy's. No shame. I love McCoy's, but you can't a McCoy's. No shame.

I love McCoy's, but you can't give McCoy's to children, can you? They're not mental. Imagine cheesing on your McCoy. It's a kid just pumping it back like a lorry driver. So, it was a success. And can I ask a question? Yeah.

The entertainer arrives. She's just been booked for a party. Yeah. Does she recognise you? Well, I wasn't the one dealing with her mainly. Is this a high-pressure gig for a kid's entertainer arrives. Yeah. She's just been booked for a party. Yeah. Does she recognise you? Well, I wasn't the one dealing with her mainly. Is this a high-pressure gig for a kid's entertainer because it's going to be spoken on a parenting podcast? Well, that's an interesting...

She was young, so I don't think she'd be aware of this podcast because she was probably in her early 20s. Okay, sure. Yeah. She did some good magic. Yeah. We all enjoyed it.

It was good. There was a bit, she put up, she had a backdrop. Yeah. Right. And she put it up and then everyone was sat waiting and she was behind the backdrop getting changed. And she, cause she was getting changed, she went on a couple of minutes after she was due on, which was fine, but it did give the feeling.

So she was late? No, she wasn't late around she wasn't like saying he's throwing her under the bus this young young kid trying to make her way in the world you're slagging her off i'm not i'm not i'm not i'm not i'm not on the rest is politics but um they're robbing a living them look oh right oh yeah well done the biggest news stories of the last 50 years i know talk off mate until someone about... Fuck off, mate. You wait until someone boring gets in. Let's see how you do. Let's see how your ratings go

under five years of Keir Starmer. Economic stability? Oh, yeah, he wants to listen to that. No one, Campbell. Get back in your fucking box, mate. Spin that, you priest. He's shitting himself about Liz Trust leaving and being replaced by Rishi Sunak.

Sunak v. Starmer. Try and spin three podcasts a week out of that mate just two men with really conservative ideas they're safe

ideas anyway I'm fine about it I'm fine yeah you can sell out the London Palladium if you want to

do a small venue but fair enough if you want to be intimate yeah anyway yeah If you want to do a small venue, fair enough. If you want to be intimate. Yeah. Anyway. Yeah.

So she went on a bit late. No, but the atmosphere before she came on was like, you know, before a headliner comes on at a festival. Like the crackle of excitement. Well, I saw a photo. It looked amazing in there. There was loads of kids. It looked like a hot ticket. Yeah, it was a bit of a hot ticket.

It was a fucking boiling room, I tell you. It looked hot. Yeah, and we had to open some windows and you're like, how many kids on the first floor? We can't really open the windows here. And then we had 12 till 4 in the function room and then they put an area of the bar aside for us. Really? Yes. So you stayed in there? Stayed in the pub till

6. Did you get drunk? Well, I got drunk later in the evening so I I had a couple of drinks so I was texting you the night before on our little

whatsapp group with me you Rose and Lou and you was all excited about it couldn't sleep I was so excited I get so excited

for these things I can't sleep so I have to have a drink the night before and now today I feel quite sad it's over

aww that's good that's nice but it's like. Oh, that's good. That's nice. But it's like I used to with Christmas or with anything I look forward to. But you're not chasing the high. You're not, you know,

going to random children's birthdays. I am going to one this afternoon. Are you? Not a random one. No, no, yeah, that's fine. But you're not chasing the high.

That's fine. But you're not Monday going to start going up to kids and go, is it your birthday? Can we go to a pub? No, no, no. But, oh man,

I love a kid's birthday rob but you messaged about 11 when rose said oh the buggy's broken and you had to fix it yeah it's unfixable so you couldn't take the buggy well yeah you can push it but it feels like one of the wheels is there's something wrong it feels like you know when you push a buggy through like sand yeah oh the worst so it feels like you know buggy on a beach yeah buggy i'm so happy that i don't know buggy on the beach is fucking hell it's like an sas show yeah so our buggy feels like it's on a constant beach and i don't know why there's something like that's a good tv show buggy on a beach no sas parenting and we get loads of 20

somethings off reality TV. Yeah. That have sort of like, settled down now, got a partner, not having kids yet. Yeah. And they do challenges, what it would be like to look after a baby. So we load them up with stuff and say, okay, go and set up on the beach over there

and you're in charge of that child and then just let children near them. That is a good idea. But that was consent from the parents. Yeah, yeah, yeah, of course. Are you going to give your child over to... Oh, I'll be happy with that. I don't mind, you know.

You know, Tom Zanetti, trying to... He's already got a kid, that won't work. I'm just trying to... Amber Gill. Amber Gill. From Love Island. And Millie from Love Island. Right, yeah, yeah.

Trying to look after my kids. Yeah, fine. Anyway. I don't know what I'm talking about. Yeah, sorry. So it was like a weird sort of like, Lou's left me fantasy, and I end up with someone from Love Island.

That would be a weird celeb couple. If Lou left you and you started to become like a a celeb dater, that would be, that would be. Well, I, yeah, because that,

that would be so horrible. Oh, it would be so cringe. You're just like, so what have you been up to this week? And they're like, I'm pictures falling out of the groucho with some random. It's Holly from Geordie shore actually oh my god how was your week yeah i introduced holly to my daughters where was your time and envy time and envy in newcastle city

anyway so i'm gonna i feel a bit mad that's right i'm all jazzed up so i'm quite hung over buggy's broken through sand. You're hungover because you stayed in the pub? No, no, not because we stayed in the pub. So, then I went, I took my son home, put him to bed. Yeah. And then, while he was falling asleep, because we were leaving Rose's mum, but I wanted to check he was asleep.

So, you had a night out after, you had the party in the day, stayed in the pub for a couple of hours, went back, got the kids to sleep. Well, no, no, just my son. Right of hours went back got the kids to sleep and then well no no just my son right and then I put him to sleep while he was falling asleep

made myself quite a large gin and tonic and watched Tottenham versus Everton a bit boring that game though wasn't it well when you see as little football as me such a barren desert wasteland

you take anything fair enough and then I went back to the parents house one of the parents houses oh for an after party for our kids our daughters were playing and it but rose was rose's mom had the baby yeah yeah you know toddler yeah oh that's and then you stayed there oh god what time did you leave i don't know really but with with your daughter well rose was the rose was because i took him back then rose was the more responsible one in the evening.

Okay, so you got loose. I got quite loose. Did you read the book out loud to anyone? That's what you've been known for in the past? No, I didn't read the book out loud. You get drunk and you just start going, hi everyone, I know we're having a great time, but I'm going to read you a passage from my book

that I think is great. No, no, no, I didn't do that. I've only done that once in my life. Looking back, that was mad. I'd say there's a lot of things that i've done in the last couple of years that i've put to tape in this podcast where i think i don't like that person and looking back now real big warning signs that something's not settled yeah in many ways in many ways narratively this podcast is only going one way i think really if you if you

are up to speed on the Rob Beckett, the Josh Winnicombe that we are now, the old episodes make a lot of sense. They make a lot of sense, yeah. It's like a sociology study. I've got a terrible feeling in a year's time we'll look back on this. God, Rob was really oddly obsessed with pubic hair in that Rachel Parris episode.

I got a bit drunk last night. Oh, go on. Well, Lou was out with the kids and staying at a mate's house. In on your own? In on my own. So I was in the doors on my own. I had loads of stuff to sort out,

like boring life admin stuff that I haven't been doing because we've been loads of PR. So I had a day of admin and then sort of watched football and then I went to the pub with some mates and sat there and had a few drinks. I had two beers and then I had five day of admin and then sort of watched football then I went to the pub with some mates and sat there and had a few drinks I had two beers

and then I had five rum and gingers and got in at 1am it's late isn't it nice but this has happened this is like

so basically I've been really healthy been eating really healthy having these sort of protein shaped things and it's going really well and I've not so my stomach

I feel really good because I've not had an all weird food anyway this pub did like burgers and wings and all that and i really overindulged because i've been good all week yeah and it got to the point the evening about 10 o'clock that i was in pain my body was aching and i was like i'm gonna go home i feel terrible then i did five burps and four farts and then I stayed out for three more hours. Did you do them at the table? Or did you go to the toilet?

I went to the toilet. Yeah. You didn't? I did a bit of the same. Yeah, yeah. In a sort of laddy, brokey way. I'm like,

oh, here I'm lads. Those nine things that you did, how many minutes did that cover I'm saying in a five minute period I went from I'm going home to who wants another one right yeah yeah yeah

and I was like I was like it felt like I was balloon being let down you know like it was like a hot air balloon landing yeah

you know that they do that yeah yeah oh nice so that was good that's good oh I should say on the hangover thing yeah I've just done Sunday, nice. So that was good. That's good. Oh, I should say, on the Hangover thing.

Yeah. I've just done Sunday Brunch Hangover. Oh, that was... Of hard work? Well, you must have done Sunday Brunch before, right? Yes, I have. It's a long, long day. But I wasn't on for quite a lot of it.

No, you just... So I was on for the first two bits, and then they were like, you've got an hour off now. And you're like, I've got nothing to do with it. I might as well be on the show. Also as well, I'm like, as a comedian, I think,

I do a 90 minute show that people pay for and enjoy and they come back since. I've done a number of tours. I'd say, get me involved. I can make this, you know,

chickpea soup a bit more exciting. I back myself to bring the lols. If we're making a chickpea soup yeah let me get involved you get this my cocktail drinking bit was directly before my interview to promote the book i was like well i can't get hammered on the cocktails now i'm about to do my bit yeah it's tough isn't it being a parent oh yeah i've been fed food got driven here and i've had three cocktails but yeah parenting is hell tough gig, I need to tell you about this.

You know you love a gig going wrong story. Yes, please. So I had a gig last week for a... I won't name the company, but it's a streaming company based in Scandinavia that's moving to the UK. And they had a big meeting and it was like launching it next year. And they're really successful, sort of like a Netflix competitor kind of thing and they're doing a show

called The Best of British so it was in London in a hotel in London but they'd got everyone from all their offices around the world but mainly they're Poland and Sweden

Norway Finland blah blah blah they're all in a theatre in like a function room so they've had conferences all day they're sitting down for a slap up meal and function room of like so they've had conferences all day they're sitting down

for a slap up meal and it's me and then they've got a singer later but it's best to British right who's the singer they had a spy skill

okay very excited so I'm going on first and so I go out and I meet the big boss lovely bloke most Swedish

massive Swedish man I've ever seen perfect English chatting and then really fun company and then I go out to do it and I say hello how's it going all right and as I've said that I was like that's not English because

they're all Scandinavian so they can speak fluent English but I'm not really speaking fluent English oh god hello hello how's it going you're all right and I'm like if you actually break that down and you're Swedish and you're trying to translate that hello how's it going you're all right and you're trying to translate that hello how's it going you're all right and what did it get silence as they trying to work out what this guy messes and then i was like okay and then i start doing a few bits and then i as i'm doing it i'm sort of like right and then like i've realized you speak fluent english but you've not i don't think a lot of you because they're all sort of like high up in this company i've met an english person that sounds like me because if you're high up in court the english people you meet don't sound like me of course so anyway i slow down just slow down and enunciate so i start doing that and it gets

better right and i'm struggling a bit and then at one point i just go then uh i'm panicking and then i went isn't harland good at football gets a laugh because i'm sort of like oh I don't know you know trying to but the problem is I slow down so they're getting me now so I'm like

right I'm getting a bit out of steam here but then I realise every joke I do has got really British references in so like I've got Centre Park's

Philip Schofield The Wombles and a room full of people from they don't know The Wombles no I try and explain Philip Schofield to a Swede there's a lot there's a a Swede there's a lot

there's a lot to unpack there's a lot to dig into let's start with a gopher call it a gopher it all starts there I'm going to take you on a hell of a journey anyway

so but so what happens now is I'm doing it and all my punchlines aren't getting laughs because they've got no idea

what they are and it's horrible so I'm doing it I all my punchlines aren't getting laughs because they've got no idea what they are. And it's horrible. So I'm doing it. I'm sort of laughing to myself. And I was like, I said to him, I was like, I feel like I'm driving along the road and ahead of me I can just see cars that are on fire. And they're my punchlines for the joke. Oh, God.

And then I sort of get them on side because I sort of make a point of it. All of the staff around the edge of English who sort of know I am and are laughing because the stuff's good and laughing even more that I'm doing it to people that have given me nothing

and at one point a bloke gets his phone out to Phil and went fuck off mate not that way I've got to look my kids in the eye

when I get home and then basically it builds and builds and then I do then I do a bit about Lake Bland and how nice lakes are to loads of Scandinavians

and mountains and I'm like oh my god and then I said there's about Lake Bland and how nice lakes are to loads of Scandinavians and mountains. And I'm like, oh, my God. And then there's a line in a bit where I go, it's horrible, isn't it, when people are laughing at you in another language? And I'm like, not that I know tonight. Oh, God. But every time it died, I went, isn't Harland good at football? Oh, God.

How long did you have to do? 20 minutes? 30 minutes. 30? Oh, my word. Oh, my God. Yeah yeah so i'm doing it and then and then but then i spacey i i got by then they were on my side because they're just aware that it was just cultural references yeah and then i said isn't harlem good at football again and i said anyway we've done this now and thank you and i just wanted to let you know that i you know you are moving into the british market and i just wanted to curate my set to replicate the challenges you will face from scandinavia

to the uk and i was just and i went off and it was fine but i was just like that and honestly a few years ago that would have been the biggest death of all time to absolute silence but yeah i i didn't allow myself to beat myself you know yeah what you do you go you're crap you know the negative now I've not got such a negative voice I was like this is what it is so now just

be in the moment and try and navigate round and it was a lot easier but oh god when I panic in those situations I'm straight into the audience talk to someone in the front row

say something far too harsh make it worse oh yeah he got that Kevin got that here he is Kevin and then I just look to him what are you wanker

he literally he had red socks I know here he is Kevin red sock wanker oh god we've all been there

poor Kevin sorry Kevin if you're listening Kevin I'm sorry but I had nothing I was panicking is it Holland

gonna football oh god he is gonna football to be fair I've got an incredible story yeah go on listening, Kevin. I'm sorry, but I had nothing. I was panicking. Is it hard? I'm good at football. Oh, God. He is good at football, to be fair. I've got an incredible story. Yeah, go on. That is perfect for this podcast. Let me just find the text. So this didn't happen to me. Right. But you know the 50-year-old French woman that I'm friends

with? Yeah, go on. So, happened to her husband. She was going to bed. Yep. She took half a sleeping pill because, um, she took half a sleeping pill because her husband was coming back late and he was going to to her husband. She was going to bed. Yep. She took half a sleeping pill because... She took half a sleeping pill because her husband was coming back late and he was going to wake her up. Right, okay. Anyway.

Then she's kind of drifting in and out of sleep and she thinks there's someone being attacked in the street outside. Yeah, there's a woman screaming. She looks outside. She eventually realises it's someone giving birth on the pavement. Oh, my God. Where's this? Outside the front of her house.

In East London? Clapton. It's like Victorian London. A woman on the floor. So, anyway, her husband comes home with her teenage son. And they come in and her teenage son's like... How late is he getting back? They've been to bmx

oh i don't bmx him yeah that late night yeah exactly there we go it's 4am we better knock it on the head son let's do a few more ollies next week can't be grinding at 4am 3am sure let's get back and see mom isn't it it's not only that's the skateboarding that's my best impression of a french man yeah anyway they walk in teenage son very unimpressed like mom there's someone's giving birth on the pavement outside anyway he off they offer her help she's like no and then she's still screaming so the husband goes back out and he's like you sure you don't want help and they take the hospital yeah it was like do you want me to drive

you to hospital yeah anyway cut a long story short she is hospitals five minutes away yeah but she gives birth in the back of his car oh no what car's he got oh covered in blood uh as as my friend said lucky's a butcher so it didn't really oh there's too much to say get it so was it is he a butcher yeah so he's fine with like the blood and stuff how's mother and baby they're fine are they they're fine so he took them to the hospital yeah he said they the he said he cried they all cried in the car because the emotion of it oh what did they name the child nissan cash got him the child is called george i think but there we go isn't that an incredible story that is how would you cope with that i would do what they did but i might have been more forceful wordy doors to go i can take i just think they were waiting for the someone to

take them right who didn't show or something oh my god like the the grand the granddad or something right okay fair enough yeah but i think yeah you got i think they did the right thing if someone gave birth in your car do you think you'd keep a cool head? Depends on the car. Red Sock Wanker, would you say? I've got a new car, so I don't want to put them in that one. It's electric. I don't know.

It's not going to ruin the electrics. I don't know. I've never had it happen. But, yeah, I'd probably put some towels down. Yeah. And then take them. But I think I'd have just gone right with going and just been quite forceful. God, can you imagine what a thing to do?

Oh, you know what? I might just shut the door and go to bed. That's the other half of that sleeping tab. If a fucking woman won't shut up. Fuck off. Just fucking plan better. Imagine five minutes in a car. That's such,

how do you consider? No wonder you go there a lot if it's only five minutes. What? The hospital. That was funny on the Nihao interview we did. So we've done a lot of promo interviews for the books. What are your favourites, Ben?

I like Nihao because you were talking about how often you go to A&E and you've been there quite a lot. And then Nihao was going, they're under a lot of pressure actually, the NHS. You shouldn't be going that much, in a jokey way. And then they went straight to the news and the headline was NHS announces the longest waiting time

in 17 years oh god it was awful it was because that show gets proper serious that five live one oh he was great though

wasn't he yeah still one of my favourite one of the faves oh I don't know if I tell you this where so I was

I didn't see the kids all day Sunday last week because I was working. Yeah. Because I normally see them on the weekend. And then on the Monday morning, I woke up at like half seven to sort of wave them off for school. And then I'd been off with them loads

over the summer and stuff as well. And then my daughter went, Dad, we never see you. And I was like, I went, oh, I was only working all day yesterday you know i'll move them on saturday i took them out all day saturday well i took you out all day saturday and i just worked yesterday and i'm i'm here now and you've been sleeping in all morning 7 30 a.m and it's left the house oh god brutal that would be brutal did you did you take it personally no i was like

you know what i would have a couple years ago but i was like fuck you fuck off i can hurry up hurry up get a move on um right do you want some correspondence i've got a boomer story yeah hi both love the podcast how helps keep me sane through maternity leave we grew up on a farm and when my brother was about five this is a boomer about five we went to build a container to barack obama if anyone's got any parenting stories about barack obama for our new feature barack obama let us know if anyone's got a barack basically any barack obama yeah anecdote sasha Sasha I can't remember the name of the other kid

I've actually seen him Barack Obama have you in Berlin by accident what do you mean I was in Berlin and he drove past

it was like weird like was he president at the time yeah in that big thing you know the beast the beast

yeah and then he was like oh that's a bit weird isn't it I saw him and then we went into the park he did that thing

where he was doing a world tour no I think he was trying to be president I'm not sure or he just was but he was doing a world tour. No, I think he was trying to be president. I'm not sure. Well, he just was, but he was doing a world tour of big cities. And he gave a speech in Berlin. Oh, yeah, I remember that speech.

Yeah, so I watched him give that speech in Berlin. Oh, wow, you were there? Yeah, by accident. We were just going to the park. Amazing. And I had a Casio watch that the alarm was set for like 3 o'clock every day, but I forgot to turn it on. And I had my big travelling backpack, because we were traveling around on the trains and it was

in the middle of my backpack and it started going and it was an absolute bomb threat alert i was like it's just my watch it was moving away from me oh my god that's awful anyway if we got michelle on michelle obama yeah would you say is bar Barack a boomer I would slip it in do you think you'd get away with it I feel like I'm in year 9 if you actually got to have sex with Kelly Brook what would you do I love the fact that our now equivalent of having sex

with Kelly Brook is interviewing Michelle Obama about parenting oh dear Michelle I've got to ask is Barack a boomer anyway so when they're about five went to build a container to store animal feed about three meters by three meters my dad took me to one side and told me to go along with his story about halfway through building this box my brother asked why we were building this my dad replied with a complete straight face because you've been misbehaving so we have to let you stay here for a while whilst the rest of us live in the family house until you're a good boy oh my god so he was he was five we got

told this my brother went quiet for the rest of the time we built it we finished and my dad told him to get in and the rest of us went around the corner so we could hear him crying oh my god obviously we went back quite quickly but the poor boy was not sure what's worse the fact my dad said this or if i went along with it oh my god that's like a psychological test it's horrible isn't it yeah i remember when i was probably about seven or eight my cousins were we was in like a family holiday and i was sat with my cousins watching a film then oh rob can you go and get something from the other place and they went all right so I went and got it. And then I come out.

My cousin was like 18, jumped out on me behind a tree and scared the living shit out of me. Oh, God. And he thought it was really funny. It was just awful. Don't see them anymore. Horrible side of the family. You can leave that in. Josh, we also have an announcement this week, don't we?

We do. As of today, we have an announcement, Rob. We've decided to do another book. No, we haven't. We are getting married. My wife would leave us if I decided to do... Leave us? That's a... Oh, dear.

Oh, that's a worry. That's a real worry. The announcement is, Josh. We're so bad at that. You're awkward at all this kind of stuff. Should I do the announcement? I don't like it. Yeah, you do the announcement.

I'll just keep interrupting you. The announcement is, from the 8th of November, this podcast will be moving to Spotify and will be exclusive on Spotifyify still for free but you have to listen still for free that's the key exactly so you just have to listen to it from the spotify app you can just download it like any other app and listen to this podcast for free same episodes on tuesday and friday nothing's changing apart from you have to listen to it through the Spotify app for free. So that's happening from the 8th of November.

It won't be on Apple Ones or the other ones or whatever they are. If you're worried we're going to go all professional, you're worried that we're going to... Oh, my word. No, no, no. No, no, no, no, no. They're letting themselves in for.

Things that will still be happening. Me and Rob talking over each other. Are you going to buy new headphones now on Spotify? No, me using shit headphones. Michael's Wi-Fi going down to the Friday episode going up at 3pm. All these things, we'll still be doing them. We'll still be doing them. Also, yeah.

Go on. You go. Because that's what I was about to say. Okay, you do it then. Because this is to show us how slick we are. Do what you're going to do. Is this bit staying in. This is to show us how slick we are. Do what you were going to do and I'll seduce somebody. Is this bit staying in?

This is unbelievable. As if to prove nothing's changing. This is the announcement. Is this still the announcement? This is the pre-agreed script we've been sent. I can't believe that Spotify have dictated every single word of this. It took 15 people to write this to make it feel authentic. But the reason we're moving is...

Oh, you're doing it now, are you? I'll do it now, yeah. Oh, you're doing it. I'll do it. Well, the reason we're moving over to Spotify is the podcast takes up a lot of time and a lot of organisation, a lot of logistics to do. And we were finding it very difficult to do. But by moving to Spotify, we can and prioritize it and make sure

that it's we're bidding off some other less important things we're bidding off some other less important things so that's our announcement done josh um i thought we nailed it rob now rob it's a big day as a little treat for our listeners we've got a guest on tuesday and he's a guest we were very excited about gary neville it's a special Tuesday episode. And why do our listeners deserve that treat, Rob? Well, because they have, well, not helped us. They've got us on their own, nothing to do with us, to number one in the book charts. Number one?

We're Sunday Times' number one bestseller, Rob. The number one book sold in the UK was Parents in Hell. So thank you so much. And a big thank you. Heartback non-fiction. Heartback. Shut up. Don't get bogged down by that.

Forget Richard Osman exists. But genuinely, thank you so much. We really appreciate you buying the book. Number one. Number one in the chart. Number one. We're number one best-selling authors. It's like John Grisham and Patterson.

Exactly. So, yeah, thank you so much. We really do appreciate it. And we're really proud of the book. And the audio book as well is sold brilliantly. So thank you very, very much. Thank you so much, genuinely. As a treat.

We look forward to the news next week that we're still number one. Well, fingers crossed. Or not. Fingers crossed. Or not. If we don't mention it next week, then we're angry with you. Because we're still number one. No, we're not angry with them.

We're very grateful. We'll always be very grateful, Josh. Yeah, we'll always be very grateful Josh, we'll always be very grateful we'll always be grateful for this once we've done four weeks at number one I've got a taste for it Rob, I've got a taste for it this is what makes you burn out, that taste you've got to calm down someone get me some mouthwash, I've got a taste for it

you can be number one and sad or number six and happy okay I'll take number one and sad or number six and happy. OK, I'll take number one and sad, please. Right, brilliant guest we've got now. He managed to squeeze us into a busy schedule. We were so excited about this, but do you know who was more excited? As you'll find out in the interview, my wife. Yes.

Here is England's greatest ever right back, Gary Neville. Gary Neville, welcome to Parenting parenting hell we're both very excited to have you on this to be honest we don't you know we don't want to big up too much for the big fans starstruck there aren't many of them well Josh genuinely is not just me my wife is so jealous she's the world's biggest Gary Neville fan oh wow yeah is this is this from the from Man United like the from the star no no no well no no I'll be honest with you it's from Monday Night Football she's not even that

into football but she absolutely loves you and to a lesser extent Jamie Carragher but mainly you what did she think of the Scouser

no she's not that fussed she's not that fussed and so she's not that into football but I'll put it on but she also

now I've converted her to Gary Neville's soccer box as well she loves it anything Gary Neville based she's not that into football, but I'll put it on. But she also now, I've converted her to Gary Neville's soccer box as well. She loves it. Anything Gary Neville based. She's obsessed. Have you found you've got a new female fan since the after playing career, Gary? Because I never had you down as a heartthrob while you played. No, I don't think many people have ever had me down as a heartthrob.

Yeah, I think it's fair to say not many. No, I don't think I've got a few. I mean, I'm not exactly David Beckham. No. She's not into David Beckham, Gary. It's all about you. Oh, is she not? No, really?

Oh, right. I was thinking then there must be a reason behind her interest in me. It must be access to Bex or something like that. There's no way it can be genuine. She said, has he got a number for Phil Neville? That's what she said. You must have had that though. When you were playing at Man United,

did you feel like sometimes you were just people's route to Beckham when you was out and about with David? I spent most of my life at United, definitely. If it was ever even, well, there was the media days or if there was a team day out, I certainly wasn't the point of interest when you've got Beckham, Cristiano Ronaldo and all the rest of the lads sort of like, you know,

wandering around. No, but I think I actually enjoyed that in some way. That actually informed my early days on Sky. When you look at me on my early days on Sky, I mean, I look a right mess. I've got the hairs. And I actually played on it a little bit because I actually didn't like the idea of being,

you know, I didn't like the idea of being groomed or styled. And there was all this style advice that they tried to give. And I almost resented it and resisted until I realised that actually, I think I do look a bit of a mess here. I need to sort myself out. So I actually decided to bring in a hairdresser so I'd have my hair cut now.

Professionally in London. There is that clip of you when you're a bit nervous when you first started, when you're asking one of the managers if they've ever... Mancini. Mancini, that one, and you do look a bit... But it is when you first make that step from being a player to a pundit, it must be quite stressful

but we've got to start talking about your kids in a minute or this is two blokes talking to a footballer Hi Roberto I never thought

you'd be speaking to me that was my first question ever to a manager I'm going to be like well however I ever kept the gig I'll never know loads of livid

Man City fans want to know about formation going oh you never thought you'd speak to me sorry we should you know briefly take it on to topic and then we'll go back to the questions we actually want to ask so gary oh i know this because i follow you on instagram and i've seen i've seen your family on holiday that was creepy um but um what's your family set up gary married with two children both girls 12 and 13 oh okay so you're going into the the hardcore teenage years are you are you nervous or is it going all right no do you know something it actually annoys me a little bit

because you meet all the way through the different stages of being a parent, even before children are born, they'll say, oh, your life will change, you'll get no sleep. And then you get them to twos, it's always the terrible twos, now you get into that phase, aren't you? And then you get to fives, oh, they're going to school, and that's difficult. And you know something, I have to say this, and maybe it's because of my approach,

and maybe, to be fair, my wife feels slightly different than i do honestly for me my relationship with my girls i always feel like obviously i'm the dad and you know they're my daughters but i almost feel like in some ways it's a friendship whereby nothing that they can do really bugs me or annoys me i don't get angry with them anymore i don't get angry at all actually and i was because i don't see them all the time because I'm away quite a bit with obviously doing the football and I was with England obviously as a coach I used to go to World Cups for a month I actually appreciate my time with them and I've never found any stage yet so far of their lives where I've thought oh I don't like this and even now I can see the fact that you know I can see there's

makeup has started to be introduced and there's an influence of, say, social media platforms. And I'm like, you know, I want them to get really good at social media. And in terms of sort of the makeup and the changing of appearances and wanting to wear dresses or wanting to wear things that, you know, you know, teenage girls wear, I'm thinking, well, was this always not going to be the case that they were going to grow up and that they were going to want to go through this phase? So I actually feel, I don't know always not going to be the case that they were going to grow up and that they were going to want to go through this phase? So I actually feel, I don't know, I feel quite good about my relationship with the children and I don't feel as though I'm daunted by what's coming, to be fair.

That is, that is... I'm a naive. Does that sound like a naive thought? No, it doesn't. I like it. It sounds like you've got it together, which might be quite hard going for the next 45 minutes if you've nailed everything there is to do with parenting. But we'll find a way.

Did you... I see you as a kind of authority figure. five minutes if you've nailed everything there is to do with parenting but we'll find a way did you um and i i see you as a kind of authority figure that's how i'd see you as a parent would that be fair to say honestly never in a million my relationship at home with my children is the one relationship i think probably in my life where uh with my wife as well where i'm not the authority figure as i've always felt as though, obviously, even on Sky, you speak with authority and you speak with a determination. At home, honestly, I am nothing like that.

Absolutely the opposite. Because to be honest, when I go home, I don't take my professional life home with me and I never have. So there's no football paintings around the house. There's no football shirts. There's no reference to my career or anything. I always wanted to get away from my professional life at home and so I see it completely differently and I'm not like that at home at all and with so for instance

tonight I've been away for a week I went to Singapore and then I've been in London and still in London now and I go home tonight and my oldest daughter said that she wanted to go around to my mum's tonight which I thought was a little bit disrespectful personally because I've been away for a week I'm like well do you not want to see me and I think if I was being authoritative I'd say I've not seen you for a week I want you to stay at home with me but I've said no that's what she wants to do go on you're an independent thinking you know young person go for it you can spend another night away from me if you want but the youngest daughter but the youngest's staying at home because she's got a little bit to be fair she's a little bit nicer than my older one my older one's a bit like me i love her to death

but she's a little bit sort of she has the sort of blinkers on quite focused and she knows what she wants and she wants to go to my mum's so she goes to my mum's oh so a week away and she's around the nan's house yeah she's around the nan's and she probably likes being with my mum's so she goes to my mum's oh so a week away and she's around the nan's house yeah she's around the nan's and she probably likes being with my mum more than she likes being with me because my mum looks after her and you know they'll watch netball games together and she'll give her what she wants food wise and things like that and yeah just like nans do really and with your with like the girls i've seen it on your instagram where you almost feel like the annoying younger brother to them, where you're filming them and winding them up.

Is that your sort of role with them? You say you don't take your work home and you're not the authority figure. No, what you see, to be fair, on Instagram is pretty much how I am at home with them in terms of just trying to joke with them, laugh with them. I suppose, yeah, it is a little bit like that. And I embarrass them enormously. And I always thought that we all think we're quite cool dads, don't we? And that's the one thing I can't quite work out.

Why are they so embarrassed about me? Am I not a cool dad? And I think every dad that I've spoke to feels the same. But we're all an embarrassment to our children, aren't we, at this point in their lives? And I find that a little bit difficult at times. I think their friends quite like me when they come round. But what I do, so I definitely am one of those parents that I encourage sleepovers.

So they've had loads of sleepovers. We even took their friends on holiday with us in the summer the summer for five six days even though they're quite young i just feel like i want them to be able to be around the friends bring them round but and i find that when they're in the house and with the friends i they definitely will not be in the same room as i am they want to be in a different room whatever the room that is i mean i could move from room to room i think they'd actually prefer to be in sort of like you know the boiler cupboard than be in a different room, whatever room that is. I could move from room to room. I think they'd actually prefer to be in the boiler cupboard than be in the room that I'm in. Because they are just too young to remember you as a footballer

or do they just remember the end of you? They remember me as the guy who played 600 matches and only scored seven goals, which is a great embarrassment. So they bring up your lesser credits then would you say to your face would they say they do they do they do to be fair criticize me heavily um and also you know even on television and stuff like that if they see me which is probably rare um they do say things that you know isn't particularly pleasant that's that that is the relationship I have with them. It's quite direct and honest and forthright. I don't, you know, I like it that way.

I think it feels to me more natural. Obviously, there are times when, you know, we are dad and daughters and stuff, but generally, I think my relationship with them, I quite like it. I feel like they could become my best friends in a few years and we could go out and have a drink together and stuff like that. And that's how I always wanted it.

It's how my dad's relationship was with my sister, whereby they used to go out drinking together at the end. You know, when my sister grew up, they'd go out and they'd drink together and come back at three in the morning. That's mad that. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. But then that's the relationship that my sister had with my dad. And I feel I might have that type of relationship with them at some point that I might sort of, they might, yeah, come back that way.

But yeah, that's how it's been for me with them. And you're a very driven person, like famously so. And how much do you try and instill that in your children? Are you just letting them do, find out things themselves? Or how much are you putting your kind of Gary Neville attitude into the house? There's certain, yeah, there's certain things. There are certain things that, to be fair,

I think are really important. So if we're on holiday, or if, they train for netball four or five times a week and play two games a weekend. So they're working really hard on the fitness of the sport. But if we're on holiday, I do expect them to train with me and us. Yeah.

I expect that. I don't like the idea of them not being active. So I think things like in the morning, get yourselves up, get yourselves ready, you know, go downstairs, make your own breakfast. Because at the end of the day, if you want to be independent and do what you want to do, like go to my nan's tonight,

well, hang on a minute, don't turn into the sort of little baby in the morning and say, go and get me this, go and get me that. So, you know, I literally, they make their own breakfast in the morning. They obviously get themselves ready now, they're 12 and 13, so they can do. But expect them to actually be adults in that way as well. What time are you getting up on holiday? Are you getting up early? No, no, no, I'd let them sleep in, but I'd expect them

that they would come and train and that they would, you know, work on their fitness and because they love netball, they adore it and it's a big part of it and it's what my sister does, she trains in the morning, we all train in the morning, we get up and we train. And so i expect them to do that because i think one that is a really good i think sport and fitness are the two things that are probably in some ways

and maybe and i don't have to be because they love it and they do it themselves so there's no there's no sort of what would be i have to say do this do that i'm not there's nothing like that but i think sport is a brilliant if you have a sporting upbringing I think it's something that can be really good for you in a number of different ways physical health mental health learning about success learning about failure learning about being a team working with people you're all equal on a court doesn't matter what religion you are what color of skin you know where you were born it equalizes everybody a sports team and I like the idea of that for me that's what sport does when you're younger you're all together you you're in team. And I like the idea of that. For me, that's what sport does when you're younger.

You're all together. You're in it together. And I like the idea of that. So that's the one thing that I think I would be really against if they said to me, I want to give up playing netball, which they won't because they love it like you wouldn't believe. And then the fitness side of it's really important,

I think, in life just generally. Were you, because for people that don't know, obviously you and Phil played football for England and Man United and, and, you know, and Everton and, and your sister. We erased that part of our life.

Only joking Everton fans, only joking. It's too late Gary. Yeah. Your sister played netball for England. So was it a really sporting household that you grew up in and did that come from your parents

it did my mum believe it or not I've told part of the story about my daughter tonight my mum plays netball every Monday night

and she's I can't work out my mum's age now she's 71 I think oh wow yeah she's 71 and believe it or not

my daughter is actually 13 she's playing in my mum's netball Yeah, she's 71. And believe it or not, my daughter is actually 13. She's playing in my mum's netball team and she's played for the last few weeks. And they're playing netball. They're actually playing netball together. Oh, that's amazing. I haven't been to watch them yet,

but I actually think it's amazing that my mum at 71 is playing with my daughter, who's 13. And that's part of the reason she wants to go tonight and then she'll sleep over. Yeah. But I could not stop my daughter going there tonight to have that experience of playing with my mum and how my mum was with tracy when she was younger and they were playing netball together and rounders together

so we've always been brought up in this sporting environment of you play netball you play rounders you play cricket my dad played cricket we watch football or play football um so it has been a massive influence on our lives and obviously my mum and dad worked at Bury Football Club for 20-30 years as well so we've always been surrounded by sports so yeah I think that's

where the influence comes from and I suppose my sister actually is probably if you said to my two daughters who's your hero

they would say my sister I would think Do you find it easier having daughters that are into netball than if you had a son that was playing football and in academies would or would it be exactly the same he could he could be in the man city academy at this moment gary i think generally because of just my life in terms of sort of what would be doing the football at weekends for obviously on the television and me not being able to be there quite a lot of weekends

because of covering the games. I think it's just worked perfectly for me. They've had no choice about it. They are two girls. But I think the fact that they do play netball, I go and watch them every time I can at a weekend. I absolutely love it. Netball's my second sport now, I would say.

It used to be cricket, but I'd say netball now. If England are playing netball, I know they were playing this weekend, I'll be watching it. I love watching England at netball. I've watched Manchester Thunder. I love watching my daughters play netball. So for me, that sporting environment has just been really important to us, I think, and it influences everything in our lives that we do,

I think, in some ways. And do you find it difficult with your schedule? Because as well the sort of punditry you've got the overlap which is amazing the youtube series you're taking that on tour i think you do is it wembley arena you're doing with carragher and roy keen is that coming up yeah we're doing november 10th we're doing wembley arena um me roy cara josh denzel and kelly cates yeah, I think to be fair, I wanted two years ago, three years ago maybe, I wanted to build my own non-live sports platform

and had this aspiration to do it about long form interview, engaging with fans in authentic sort of type of content. And then I always wanted to take it live onto a stage. And so we did that in Manchester last Christmas and we all enjoyed it.

So we're going to do it again. We're going to do London Wembley Arena November 10th. And out of Carragher and Roy Keane, who would you prefer as your dad? I think definitely Roy Keane. Would you? Yeah, I think so. I mean, imagine that accent 24 hours a day

I mean I go on Monday Night Football I go on that Monday Night Football I've got him in my ear for like six hours and I come away at night and I think

oh god that was hard work everything's really fast isn't it everything's fast and it's like and to me I don't need fast in my life

so to me no I must have a brilliant relationship with him but no definitely I would think Roy Keane he looks a lot on instagram he looks like a really fun dad his instagram is really fun he's messing around with his kids have you seen this like he looks like a fun dad roy keen i think that everybody that's in the public eye you know they're not the same

person as you think they are ordinarily are they at home they're different than they obviously are in their professional life or working life or media life and I think Roy is probably one of the greatest examples of that in terms of

he'll come to watch Salford or he'll be at a Sky game or he'll be at ITV in the World Cup and charming storyteller funny still with that same

honesty that you see on television but completely different in terms of a character. I think people have seen that a few times, obviously, since he finished playing football. You know, the interview I did with him for the overlap, the dog walk, which I think that, you know, people see that side of him

in that long, that conversation-type element of just what he is. And I think, yeah, I think he would be a good dad. His kids obviously have a great relationship with him. The Paul Scholes interview was amazing as well, especially when he's talking about his son who suffers with autism. And we have a lot of listeners that sort of love as much content about that as possible. But there's not much out there. We've spoken to a few. Paddy McGuinness has been on and talking about his kids. It was really good, especially for Paul Scholes, who's one of those sort of old school blokes. It doesn't open up much. And you've known him for years.

Did you find that quite sort of shocking how much he opened up to you or was you expecting it and you had a chat beforehand yeah there were things within the interview even though I literally sat next to him in the dressing room for 15 years at United and I would class him as you know one of the people that I've liked most in my life but because it's that it's what it's that male thing isn't't it? You don't tend to talk to each other when you're with each other about your vulnerabilities, your potential, how you're feeling that day. You put that mask on, don't you?

You get into that changing room or you go onto a television programme and you do your job and you never know what's happening sometimes. You know, I think that the reality of it is, Paul, that day, there were a couple of things I actually felt a little bit sort of, I suppose, guilty side as well so things like whereby you don't ask him about

for instance what he's enjoying doing and I found out he's been doing the recruitment for Salford with the recruitment team for the last six months and I obviously oversee that from a point and I'd not even asked him whether he was enjoying it whether he liked it so I found out on the overlap interview that was something that he was really enjoying and the first thing he'd enjoyed since he finished playing football that's bad for me because we just take each other for granted in terms of our you know we just get on with life don't we you just you go for a drink or you go to do something or you go to watch a game of football and you don't tend to go into that personal detail that with each other that you really should do but that's that's just I

think adults it's certainly men who find it very difficult to open up and talk about their vulnerabilities when you're in the dressing room and there's like all those footballers around and often like there were footballers that are having kids at that time and stuff does it come up much like are you is David Beckham going, bloody hell, I'm having a nightmare with Brooklyn, is not sleeping through or whatever. Does that come up?

No. Do you know something, Dave, so I, because obviously at the time, you know, I would maybe speak to David about, say for instance,

maybe things like that. But, do you know something, if you're at Manchester United, you're playing under Sir Alex Ferguson, you've got to win a Premier League title. You don't come in and talk about basically, you know, how much your kid slept last night.

No, you don't, honestly. I mean, what I'm saying to you is you're going in there to get your pre-activation done, your stretching, your warming up. You're going out on that training pitch to basically give 100%, kick basically shit out of each other for an hour and a half, which is what we did. Come back in, warm down, have a massage, rest. And the fact of the matter is the focus is always the Saturday game.

That's not to say we didn't enjoy ourselves. But the idea that you would come in and talk about a personal issue in a group environment of a football changing room, honestly, that is just not going to happen. Obviously, it was successful though. You was amazing and you won everything. But is there a world when, if you could open up a bit more,

like with Paul and talking about his son and that you could understand what was, because he said he didn't play well in games and his head wasn't in it. But if you did open up, that would have helped players play better? I think yes. I think you're right.

I think that, I mean, I lost my confidence for about six months, went to see a psychologist at months, went to see a psychologist at United, went to see the doctor. What footballers will tend to do is go and see the doctor at the club.

That's the person they trust the most to open up to. They don't go to the manager, their coaches, they don't go to their fellow teammates because you're feeling

that you've got to protect. You can't go, if you go to the manager or the coaches, I'm not saying you couldn't do, you could, that wasn't a door that was closed. It's just that you wouldn't do if you go to the manager or the coaches or the not saying you couldn't do you could there was that was that wasn't a door that was closed it's just that you wouldn't do that because you might then they might then you thought that might then influence team selection or you thought that that might influence the way in which the teammates thought of you so you tended

to keep things to yourself and you tended to speak to maybe the person that you trusted which was the doctor that you know has medical confidentiality. And then the doctor would put you into a psychiatrist, psychologist. They would then open up that counselling line to you. And I then didn't speak about that. That was at 24 I was when that happened to me. And I didn't speak about that until I was 36 in my book. I just thought it was a weakness.

That was very early, like, in that stage of talking about mental health. I know you didn't, well, it wasn't public with it, but to do that at 24 was very switched on of you to address it yeah and yet paul had all these really serious issues in his life that he was thinking about he told me in the interview yet he told me that he never went to see anybody he just kept them bottled up to himself and he thought well just i've got to get on with it i've got to get over it you know that's it it's just that that's you know the old the same 20 years ago it was man up on it you know what i mean it was you'd even say it to yourself yeah pull yourself together man up you know that's what you'd say to each other

you know get on with it if anybody's no one cried in a changing room at manchester united 20 years later we know a lot more we understand a lot more we accept that people aren't in good places all the time and ultimately we have to make sure that we deal with these vulnerabilities and put the support systems in and around players and obviously not just in players but people in businesses in all walks of life so how you know you're so busy at the moment you do all the punitry the overlap live shows as well as running numerous businesses that aren't all football based you've got you know loads of stuff going on and you know the football club that you own and run,

and there's people relying on you for their wages. How do you compartmentalise that? And do you sometimes have to speak to people when you're feeling a bit overwhelmed? Or how do you cope with all that and then still getting home to be dad and husband? How do you manage all that? I think I've changed quite a bit

in the last two or three years. So I always train in the morning now, which i stopped doing after i finished playing football and i put weight on i felt terrible and i was drinking wine i found wine obviously after football which you do when you're younger like 25 and say you hear these sort of like people talking about oh red wine what red wine do you want do you want a bordeaux do you want a Burgundy you think what arseholes these look like these posh arseholes that basically

a drink they talk about this red wine like it's some sort of like vintage unbelievable thing anyway then you find yourself

at 36, 37 sort of swilling it round the glass don't you because you're a Bordeaux and you join them and then you find cheese goes with it

don't you and red meat and all of a sudden you start feeling really shit and I did do yeah I have a really

strict day's evening where I train in the morning and I try to get home by half five six when I'm in when I'm in Manchester and they're in the office and then at six

till nine ten o'clock is where I switch off and I've started to do that a lot more and I feel as though that sort of routine has helped me now uh in terms of sort of just you know bringing back sort of that normality into my life i was when i first finished playing football i was england

coach working for sky doing all the businesses away all the time and to be fair it was just absolutely ridiculous it's still a little bit ridiculous now, but I do feel this great responsibility to be an employer, someone who has people who obviously work with them in the teams. And it is an obligation that I feel is the most serious that I have, obviously with family, but the fact that we have four, five, 600 people in our businesses in Manchester, and they're all relying upon me and on us to make sure that those businesses are sound and solid and I do feel it's a responsibility that all business owners have and but I think

we do it pretty well to be honest with you I think we look after our teams I think we look I think we make sure they're good but it does bring that bit of added pressure one of the worst things in the world is having to sack someone you know and that's something that's still you know in football clubs I've had to do it and I've made mistakes with it, you know there are still those difficult conversations to have. I've been trying to get rid of Josh, have you got any tips? Just do it really quickly

Gary, what are you doing next week? I need a new presenter One of the things you did post football was you went and managed in Spain, in Valencia, did you take your You're going out in a blaze of glory in your last show josh it took it took you 20 minutes josh well done i'm interested i didn't know you managed there how did that go that's a few questions about my kids to make it

you've gone down the valencia i'm bringing it back to kids because i think this is an interesting thing for kids because you obviously were one one club man, but footballers move around and they have to move their family around and stuff. Did you move your family out to Spain? And if it had gone on for years, were you planning on moving your daughters out to Spain? No, no. So basically one of my pet hates... So it wasn't about Valencia.

It wasn't about... You're covering it in a sort of roundabout way. The answer is they were on the way, but he got sacked, so they just turned round at the airport and come straight home. Gary, you got sacked after four months. It was a pretty appalling performance.

How were your kids there? Did you make them watch it? Were they sad? Yeah. To be honest with you, it was probably the best thing that ever happened to them, me getting sacked, because they wanted to come home.

But on a serious note, that was probably, it was probably the toughest four months, definitely the toughest four months I've had since I finished playing football. Because one, the children didn't settle in the school. But I was really intent on what I hate is when managers, coaches, players take a big step in football and then they try and do it without committing to a city, to a club. And it was really important to me that Emma and Molly and Sophie, they came out with me the first day I went out there and they left the day that I left.

They had Spanish lessons. We had Spanish lessons four times a week. We put them in an English-speaking Spanish school. And do you know something? One of the great regrets I have other than the results and not doing the job that I wanted for the owners in Valencia is that I actually would have loved to have been a success for two years. Not because I wanted to actually increase or extend my managerial career or

coaching career. Cause I was doing this particularly as a, not as a, not as a favor, but it was, it was definitely something I wouldn't have done if I had known the owners. I really, for instance, Philip, Philip was out there for two years.

Harvey and Isabella, his two children, speak fluent Spanish, as does Julie. And that's something brilliant that I think that you could have, I could have had if I'd been out there. But to be fair, I think I've told this story before. I only learned a few words. I think concentration, which is concentratión. Adios.

I think that was my key word out there for four months the last couple of questions josh is going to do the final one i've got one quick one before we do that um your kids are getting a bit older now that you know at 16 they can start working you obviously got a great work ethic and you've made a you know a lot of yourselves built this empire now do you expect them to be working straight off at 16? Because there is a worry that they've got this lifestyle now that you've built that they could take the foot off the gas. That is never, ever going to happen. They're nevels.

Honestly, no word of a lie. They know that the one thing that I expect, it's a simple thing really from everybody that I actually know, I work with, my children. You know, you get up every single day, you work as hard as you can and you don't give in and you come back the day after.

They're the only sort of three guidelines I think that I ever want to live by. Because I think that once you've done that, you really can't do anything more than that. So the idea that they think they could get up in the morning and say, oh, I don't want to go to school today or I'm going to miss my netball training

or I'm not going to work hard when I leave school because I think you might have a bit of money, Dad. That is absolutely going to be, that's going to be a divorce in our relationship. Honestly, I feel quite harsh. Now, I know it's never going to happen because I think that the values that we put into them is that they get up and they work hard.

They're independent thinking. They make their own decisions. But you've got to turn up. It's really simple. Just like Alex Ferguson, even if we had a team night out when we were playing, I don't care what time you come in tonight, but tomorrow you turn up

and you have to turn up in life. And the reality of it is, if they don't do that, they've lost everything in their working and professional lives. And then you lose respect. So is that if they don't do that they've lost everything in their working and professional lives and then you lose respect so no they they have to do that um would you prefer your daughter to come home and say she was an our man city fan or uh she's now got a job working for boris johnson knowing how my post football career has gone in terms of Liverpool and City, it'll probably be both. I would say, to be fair, they'll never support City.

And to be fair, they won't ever support someone like Boris Johnson either because, like I say, I think... As they get older, they might become Conservatives. Everyone gets a bit more right-wing as they're older, Gary. I don't think in my family that will happen to them. What I'm saying to you is, they were stuck in with me for that two years or 12 months during COVID, watching The Clown every night at five o'clock.

They saw enough within themselves. And the final question, Gary, that we ask everyone this, with your partner, your wife, what are the two things, or the one thing that annoys you the way she parents, and the other thing, what's the best thing about her as a parent? The one thing that annoys me about her the way in which Emma parents the children. This is, I can't win here, can I? I mean, I've just been away for seven days,

and I'm actually now doing a criticism and a critique on a massive podcast of my wife i mean that is gonna go down really well um what's the one thing i don't know i think all mums maybe worry a bit too much don't they but just natural worry and instinct to sort of concern themselves with i hope they're okay there will be okay going to that event or you know for instance our youngest went to alton towers yesterday and so there'll be there'll be a worry about but you just have to let them fly from the nest okay you have to let them go so i think it's not a criticism but i would say probably a little bit of worries too much but it comes from love and a good place and what's the best thing do you know something it's like my mum to me she's the best person i've ever met in my life.

It's unconditional. She would put us in front of anything, my mum. And I know Emma would do exactly the same for the children. She would put the children in front of anything and anyone at any time. To be fair, your mum has poached your daughter for a netball game rather than your daughter seeing you. So she's put her granddaughter before her son tonight. Oh, she has.

She would do that regularly. I'm the most unpopular figure in my whole family. And in Liverpool. Oh, and in Liverpool, yeah. And Valencia. Gary, you're November 10th The Overlap live at Wembley Arena.

Can you tell us anything about the show? It's going to be conversational. I think because of the three characters that you've got on stage with obviously Kelly and Josh hosting. It'll be storytelling, it'll be football, it'll be life, it'll be stuff like this. It'll be seeing a different side to us. There's obviously, you know,

we're quite honest characters as well. So I think that we'll definitely make sure that we have a bit of a pop at one another. Do you know what I like about the sort of the overlap or sort of what we do? It feels to me like it's three football fans who used to play football in a pub having an argument and make sure that we have a bit of a pop at one another. Do you know what I like about the overlap or what we do? It feels to me like it's three football fans who used to play football in a pub having an argument and a rout and a debate

and sometimes an agreement. And that's how I think the overlap is. It's that authentic content, but with people who played the game. And I think that that's what I wanted to do with it when I set it up a couple of years ago. So I think you'll see more of that, really. You're doing everything. Is there anything left to be done?

What's on the Gary Neville to-do list? No, the one thing that I want to do when I'm 50, I don't know why I keep saying 50, it's three years away or two and a half years away. I'd like to bring my life back to a single focus professionally. Yeah. Whereby I don't have these sort of different

multiple roles, seven or eight roles in different, you know, the hotels, the football club, the development, Sky, the overall. So that's my aim is to somehow try and get to a fixed singular role where I can be laser focused every single day.

But that doesn't feel like it's coming soon, but that's where I'd like to get to. Managing Villareal? You're already going in on him. It was a joke. It was a joke.

I spent the first five minutes telling him my wife fancied him. There's more chance of me being the leader of the Conservative Party than any football club in Spain employing me. Can you give Rose a little shout out, your biggest fan? My wife, Rose. What would you like? Yes. Hi, Rose. Thank you very much for your support. It's something that I'm quite shocked and surprised by. But I'm gaining confidence from it.

It's making me feel really good. Gary, thank you so much, mate. Thank you so much. I enjoyed that. Thanks, Gary. Cheers, mate. Cheers, mate. There we go.

What an absolute legend. You was really over-excited, weren't you? I just really love him. I love him too. And I hate, and I mean this love him. I love him too. And I hate, and I mean this, I hate the Manchester United team. No, we might want Carragher on. Yeah, I'd love Carragher on.

Me too. Great guy. I love him. Fuck Gary Neville. We've got him. He's doing too much, I think. He's got an hotel. Shades of Romesh.

Shades of Romesh. A lot of, they've both got a lot on. They've both got a lot on. Romesh is the Gary Neville accommodate. Yeah, because I forget, they've both got a lot on. They've both got a lot on. Romesh is the Gary Neville of comedy. Yeah, because I forget, like, he does, like, the overlap. He does Sky Sports. He's got his kids, his wife, and he's like, yeah, and then the hotel. I was like, what?

Yeah. You've run a hotel? Oh, mad, isn't it? And a football club. That's what happens if you attack the day. That's what he does. He attacks the day. Do you know what?

I don't think I want to attack the day. No. I'm too tired already. I'm sort of jabbing the day. Keeping the day at arm's length. I'm just keeping the day i don't think i want to attack the day i'm too tired already i'm sort of jabbing the day i'm just keeping the day at arm's length i'm just keeping the day at distance i'm happy with that are you attacking the day no i'm an attack today you're smothered by a duvet over your head little mouth out that problem to go back on what we talked about earlier this week yeah um we had to have the headphones on to interview g Neville. Yeah. And my head was heating up. If we'd spoken to her any longer, I was in serious trouble. It is hot in here.

Yeah. But we made it through. Gary Neville, everyone. Thanks for listening. Bye.