Rob Beckett and Josh Widdicombe's Parenting Hell - S05 EP32: Giovanna Fletcher

Episode Date: November 11, 2022

 Joining us this episode to discuss the highs and lows of parenting (and life) is the brilliant author, podcaster and presenter - Giovanna Fletcher. 'Giovanna Fletcher: Made in Italy' will air on ITVBe from Sunday November 13th Thanks, Rob + Josh. We're going on tour!! Fancy seeing the podcast live in some of the best venues in the UK? Of course you do, you're not made of stone! Tickets available now on the dates and at the venues below. We can't wait to see you there... ON SALE NOW  14th April 2023 - Manchester AO Arena 19th April 2023 - Nottingham 20th April 2023 - Cardiff  21st April 2023 - London (The O2) 23rd April 2023 - London (Wembley) 28th April 2023 - Birmingham Utilita Arena  If you want to get in touch with the show here's how: EMAIL: [e-mail] TWITTER: @parenting_hell INSTAGRAM: @parentinghell A 'Keep It Light Media' Production  Sales, advertising, and general enquiries: [e-mail] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hello, I'm Rob Beckett. And I'm Josh Willicombe. Welcome to Parenting Hell, the show in which Josh and I discuss what it's really like to be a parent, which I would say can be a little tricky. So, to make ourselves, and hopefully you, feel better about the trials and tribulations of modern day parenting, each week we'll be chatting to a famous parent about how they're coping. Or hopefully how they're not coping. And we'll also be hearing from you, the listener, with your tips, advice and, of course, tales of parenting woe.

Because, let's be honest, there are plenty of times when none of us know what we're doing. Hello, you're listening to Parenting Hell with... Hey, welcome to yours. Can you say welcome? Welcome. To? To. Parenting Hell.

To. Who knows that one? I want to know. Toby. Toby, there we go Toby that was recorded yesterday our book signing Rob

yes you recorded a child in a shop and put it on the internet I didn't record a child that's only a voice memo there's no video okay

but no that was one of our lovely listeners Toby's mum that came to the book signing thank you for everyone for coming to the book signing Oh yeah

massive thank you that was very kind of you Bluewater What a place best shopping centre I loved it Rob biggest shopping centre in Europe it's great isn't it

it was great it's got some great shops there it was lovely to meet our fans we had a lovely time didn't we yeah I was really nervous but everyone was really nice I didn't know

who was going to be there I've never done a book signing like that before no it was it was a nerve-wracking experience wasn't it the only time i felt a little bit nervous like because once he started it was just loads of lovely people that were really excited to get a book signed the only time i was a bit nervous was when that bloke on his own lent in and went you slags yeah i forgot that we i forgot that we referred to ourselves as slags once in an episode yeah but at one point i thought we was gonna have to fight him yeah i thought it was from off menu um but uh yeah imagine that like other podcasts away days turning up you fucking

slags how dare you i'm ramses till i die mate um it was fun though it was really nice And everyone was I genuinely It was quite a surreal experience Wasn't it? I thought It's quite a nice way To spend a Sunday afternoon So thank you for coming

We became obsessed With what people Had in their phones Didn't we? Yes So when everyone Was taking photos They'd hand their phones

To like the people At Waterstones And then we realised So many people Have stuff on the back Of their phones In their cases We saw COVID vaccination.

That was a big one. A COVID vaccination card. Train ticket. The bus ticket. Bus stagecoach. That was a weird one. I've not seen a bus ticket in years like that printed off. Normally it's just Oyster, isn't it?

Yeah. In London. BR. Bromley. London Borough. And what else was there? Debit cards. Cash.

Yeah. And mum has a receipt so she'll remember to take something back to the shop. Yeah, have you got anything in your... I haven't got anything in my phone, have you? No, I don't have a case. You don't have a case? I know, it's rogue, isn't it?

Who are you, Jay-Z? You bloody hell. You must be in a constant state of tension. I like it. How are you so chilled that you haven't got a case? It makes you feel excited. It makes me feel like living life on the edge, yeah. Michael, have you got have you got anything

in your phone case no I don't have a phone case either what are you fucking out with the grace the modern phones are very robust no

they're not they're made of fucking glass it's like a coaster in a only way it's Essex house well look Josh I'm this is really off topic,

but I'm actually tempted to go and get an Android phone. I don't know why. I think their adverts are really good. I feel like I've been absolutely marketed. You'll need a new phone within about a week when you drop yours. But I was like, I might just go, I've always been Apple. I might just completely change it up and go Samsung or Google. Yeah, enjoy yourself, Rob.

Enjoy yourself. You don't give a shit about this well i'm just i'm just i just think anyone that what i like about having an iphone is when i don't know how to use it i can ask a friend how to use it do you know right but then but then you might start having more friends that are android users i haven't got any friends that are android users rob Rob. There's no Android in Zone 2 of London, is there? It's just pure Apple. It's just pure Apple, mate. The media elite. I'm part of the media bubble, mate.

Fuck it. This is what I want to tell you, Josh. I was going to tell you yesterday, but I didn't want to ruin it. Oh, no, I want to talk about this first. There's the photographs of us at the book signing. Have you seen the one of you? There's some normal photos of us. Yeah, there's some more normals.

There's one of you, and you look like... You look tiny. You look like all Hasbulla. You look so small. You look like Ronnie Corbett. You do. But in the other photos, you look normal size. What's happened to me?

We'll put it on our Instagram, but you look so pathetic. Have I ever told you about when I did Apprentice You're Fired with Karen Brady? No. And we came out to sit in our seats. Yeah. And she was on a really low seat. All right. And she was like, well, I'm on a low seat.

And I was like, I don't know. And then she just went, we're swapping. No. I was like, what? She's like, we're swapping seats. And I was so intimidated by her. I just swapped seats. I could barely see over the desk.

And then the show went out and all the tweets were like, we're swapping seats. And I was so intimidated by her, I just swapped seats. I could barely see over the desk. And then the show went out, and all the tweets were like, why is Josh Whittaker like, I can only see the top of his head, basically. I was so like, well, that's an exaggeration. But I was just looking over the desk. It's just a nose and eyes, like you're peering. I've actually got it on here, actually. 2014, I think this was 8 years ago

yes I found it oh for fuck's sake who's put that on YouTube oh dear you're so little on the end I thought it might disappoint then

I should say also before we move on from the book, thank you to everyone who's left reviews on the Unaudible. Oh, yeah, they're really good, the audiobooks. Thank you. Because we've got over 1,000 now, and we've got an average of five stars, over 1,025 reviews, which apparently is incredible, according to our publishers.

Yes, thank you, everyone, for the audiobook reviews. Now, Josh, in other news, I've got a confession. I think I kidnapped a child on Saturday night. Yeah, OK. Should I phone 999? No, because the child's back with her parents, but it was fine. Oh, OK, it's still not acceptable if you've returned the child, if you've kidnapped them.

No, it was an accidental kidnapping. No, it's a fake. It was an accidental kidnapping. Oh, okay. So it was firework night, and a lot of the school mums and dads were going to the firework display near our house, and I was there with my two daughters and with Lou, and then basically they wanted to play with their schoolmates,

so the youngest ran off and was playing with her mates, so Lou went with her. Then I was with my other daughter who wanted to play with her schoolmates, the youngest run off was playing with her mate so Lou went with her then I was with my other daughter who wanted to play with her schoolmates and she was playing with two of her mates and I said to one of the dads I'll take him to the bonfire will you get a drink there was like a queue for a drink anyway so I walked over with her two schoolmates but as I turned around one of her schoolmates ran off and this other girl just started joined us and I didn't realize because they all had coats on and hats in the dark yeah they all look the fucking same.

Yeah, just a little kid. Anyway, so we're playing by the bonfire and then the two schoolgirl friends are playing and dancing and my daughter says, they're all quiet. I'm like, what's going on? You're right. She went, I don't know who that girl is. I went, what? Anyway, and I'd already taken photos of them by the bonfire.

So I get my phone out because there was a flash on it. Look at the photo. There's my daughter, her mate from school and a child i don't know oh my god what's your feelings at this point i'm one is like i'm panicking because i thought there was another girl from school that i was supposed to be in charge of yeah and she's not there and then there's this other new girl who i don't know and now i've got photos and i'm just taking photos of her because I thought she was another school girl. That is weird. It's so weird. And then I'm like,

this is mental and then it turns out that she knows my daughter's friend from school but from another reason and now a school girl so she's run over and joined in. So I'm just there

with coats of children I don't know just watching them dart and then my daughter's like, I don't know who she is. You're holding a coat? Well yeah, because she gave me a coat to hold

because I thought it was a kid I knew. Why did she give you the coat to hold? Because they're artists by the bonfire. But why do you? Because I was in charge. I was the only adult there. What did you do? Run.

Well, I panicked and then I worked out that I knew that kid and then I basically messaged the dad of the other girl I thought I was looking after and she was with them. Yeah. And then basically a woman come over and went, oh, that's my child. I was like, oh, okay, sorry. I didn't realise she'd just them yeah and then basically a woman come over and went oh that's my child i was like oh okay sorry i didn't realize she just come over and started playing and she was like oh yeah no worries i walked off what left her no so i was just didn't even take the fucking coat

unacceptable unacceptable and then luckily the dad come back and then that other girl went and then all the school kids come around and stuff but it was so stressful it's really weird isn't it um it was good though i i did have a massive error though they wanted to come the kids one of my shoulders for the fireworks display i saw a picture it's just too long too long it's just too long it's like i was just listening going surely, surely we're going to end on Spaceman Sam. What's his name, Sam Ryder? Oh, I thought you meant Babylon Zoo. He's sticking your neck out there, Rob. Surely we're going to end with Babylon Zoo Spaceman

after 25 years on, right? No, we don't. He won Eurovision with that nearly, didn't he? Yeah, I mean, I do not cross Eurovision. You don't know I'll care, do you? I don't care about Eurovision. Mate, when you work at Radio 2, you need to know about Eurovision.

I bet you bloody do. It's one of the four pillars. Ken Bruce, Eurovision, pets, and great tunes. Well, what's going on with the fourth one?

Because I've been listening to your show and... Well, you don't like Phil Collins in Electric Light Orchestra. on mate grow up how old are you get get with it man I played Leanne Rimes last week oh I didn't realize I'm talking to Zane Lowe I'm basically the Charlie Slough of female ballads anyway yeah so that's been so that's been my week. But we've babbled on now. Shall we bring in our guest? Babble on zoo.

Oh, love that. You know what? That was really nice. I like that. Really nice. And our guest this week, Josh, is Giovanna Fletcher. Queen of the castle. Love Giovanna Fletcher.

Great podcast, great person, and a great interview. Here is Giovanna Fletcher. Do you want to do the intro, Josh? So Rob always starts by saying, do you want to do the intro, Josh? And then the intro is literally, hello, Giovanna. It's not an intro. Giovanna Fletcher. It's like queen of the castle slash jungle. Yeah. But what we do, we'll do all that beforehand. So you don't have to sit here and listen to us talking about your credits because that's weird when you have to do that. It is.

It is. It's an odd thing. Yeah. How are you? Yeah, how are you? And can you let our listeners know how many children you've got? What's your child set up at home? My child set up is that I have three children, three boys,

who are eight, six and four. Nicely spaced. Oh, boys. Yes. Three boys. All boys. All boys. So we've just, well and four. Nicely spaced. Oh, boys. Yes. Three boys. All boys. All boys. So we've just, well, Josh has got a boy.

I've got two girls and Josh has got one girl. I find boys a nightmare. Do you? That's interesting. Rough. They're rough. Rough and tumble, isn't it? I imagine if I had a little girl, I would be like, God, those boys.

Yeah. They are. I mean, I always call them be like god those boys yeah they are i mean i always call them quite feral but really they are just they like rough and tumble they love being outside someone said to me once with boys you've got to treat them like they're dogs they need to be outside they need to be walked they need to be fed and they need to sleep and as long as those three things are happening life's good and at first i was like don't compare my child to a dog and then now i'm like no i get it i totally respect what that man was saying and follow that formula and life is good so what would you do on a rainy day with three boys oh go outside anyway go outside get your wellies on

hide make it an adventure yeah or just hide in this cupboard and then life is good. You must be at a slightly easy street, as it were, now at this point, because they're not babies anymore. The youngest is four, so they're doing stuff for themselves, especially the youngest of three always is a bit more, you know, can do more stuff at four than the eldest would because they copy. Well, they've started doing this great thing at the weekends. They do Buddy's Breakfast Bar.

So the middle one's called Buddy. And literally, we'll there'll be toast there'll be cereal they've done it for his brothers oh wow and that that is amazing that was a total game changer one of the mums at school said that she used to pre-do the cereal and just wrap it in cellophane like she'd get the bowl out that's a much cleaner way of doing it but for us we're like just go and have fun just go go and sort yourselves out in the best way that you can and you know you're going to come down there's going to be rice krispies everywhere few cornflakes on the floor there'll probably be a milk spillage but in my head i'm also they've got to be a little bit independent you know and and leaning into that if they're enjoying it then brilliant that's great and they can always help clear up as well can't they you know i mean yeah that's the next step let's not run before we can walk

come on and so are you relaxed so you're upstairs still in bed while buddy's breakfast bar's going on what's your levels of relaxation there it's fine If there's no arguing going on, then I am asleep. It's absolutely fine. Yeah, and I know that, you know, the whole, if they're quiet, it means they're up to something. That is definitely true. Yeah. Absolutely true.

However, they're also happy and they're not fighting each other because my kids have this inability to just walk past each other without an arm or a leg coming out to hit the other child. They just can't. It's constant physical contact with them. So if they are, you know, on a Saturday morning, if it is all nice and quiet and no one is yelping in pain or going, is it this?

Then I'm happy. I'm happy to just lie in bed. We try until eight o'clock at the weekend. Oh, that's good. I literally thought you were going to say 11. So some people who aren't parents listening going, 8 o'clock.

That's what you dream of aiming for. Yes, because it used to be 5 o'clock. So, you know, 8 o'clock is a massive step in the right direction. Don't get me wrong.

I'm very jealous of your 8 o'clock. Don't get me wrong on that. But I think because you've got a one-year-old, you're still dreaming of the day where it's 11 or 12 but that never happens i don't think no no well and when it does actually it's them and we'll be trying to get them out of bed yeah when they're teenagers rob i can't imagine your children ever sleeping in rob well i think the youngest is more likely to sleep it's a bit more like me but the eldest is like loo and like up like a button early doors let's do something in your face they just have so much energy i think that they fight a little bit but with the boys i've seen like on holidays and school and stuff

they're just mad for it you sort of assume that we know like well you were one of four boys rob were you fighting all the time yeah well my mom got put on a nspcc watch list because we used to go to the hospital so much like the band-aids I mean that's the thing the amount of times we've gone on the night I went into labour with Max so I'd had a I don't know if this is TMI for your podcast but uh so I'd gone in for a sweep that day so things were happening and I was doing like a frantic last minute sweep tidying up for the house I knew the grandparents would come over and the kids had literally they were about to go up to bed Tom was at the stairs and said right guys let's go up buddy stood up on the sofa one foot fell off the sofa smack bang straight

into the coffee table split his head open so we ended up going to hospital with him so that he could get his head sewn back together and that is when my contraction started for the third child so they are accident prone but that one was well ill-timed. Yeah, that's the worst timing. Did you move from A&E to the maternity bit of the hospital? No, because it's there, I'm kind of a bit like, well, let's go home and see what happens. And also because I was so worried about Buddy,

who, bless him, he was actually OK. It's a tough one, that one. So we went home and I tried lying down with him for a bit and then by 10 o'clock we phoned the grandparents on that actually you need to come over so by 12 o'clock we were on our way back to the hospital that's a hell of a situation but the amount of times we go to hospital for you know knees being split open heads it's just you know wrists arms are you are you all right with that now are you a panicker when they hit themselves are you like oh here we go another scar yeah it's a bit like that i am a little bit come on you're fine

oh no you're not the bone is broken let's go to the hospital yeah you can't really panic i don't think and also it does depend which child it is because they all need different things. Yeah. You know, and so our eldest is a bit, he's very emotional and panics. So knowing for him, I've just got to be super cool and super calm, you know, and just kind of, and do the whole kind of, it's fine. We'll just go and see the doctor, you know, all that raised kind of voice thing. So, yeah, I try not to flap over it that much now and just kind of be a bit more pragmatic with it if I can. That's good.

I'm a flapper. Well, no surprise. Jovan, I need to thank you as well for winning me money in the jungle. You know when he did the Wales jungle

and I'm going to say, well, I put money on you early doors to win. So I need to say thank you for that. For me, it was a dead sir. Oh, thank you very much. Because I knew how nice you were. Also, huge following on your podcast and then boy band member husband that

is the one and kids at home so they'll send you a letter and you'll get all upset i thought this is a guarantee we didn't get letters you didn't get letters we didn't get letters no that's harsh yeah they gave us a sentence that was um i got mine on chocolate hobnobs, mind you. So I got two chocolate hobnobs and just a sentence of this massive letter that our loved ones did send, but they only included a line of it. Oh, brutal. Actually, I've never actually read the letter

that Tom actually did write the entire thing. I've not read it. It's because the rest of it was really brutal, so they had to only give you a line of it. Yeah, you're doing this, you're doing that. We're having a great time without you. We're in A&E again, just to let you know. We're all sewed up, ready to go.

How was it, though? How long was you away from the kids on that show? Oh, a long time. So I was in isolation for two weeks before. Basically, I could start with the kids there, but once they'd left, they couldn't come back. Right. And it was one of those typical things where Tom could come with the kids there, but once they'd left, they couldn't come back. Right.

And it was one of those typical things where Tom could come with me for that first night and then he had to come back to do, I think Little Mix had a programme on BBC, you know, that talent one. So he had to come back the following day. So I then had all three kids and my dad and my stepmum. And then at the weekend, Tom came back but couldn't come in, so I couldn't have any contact with him.

So two of the kids weren't with him then, the older two, because they had to go back to school. And again, once they'd gone to him, they couldn't come back to me because of COVID. And then the following weekend Tom came to get Max. So I made sure that I did all of my proper goodbyes and stuff with him, who at the time was only one, before getting him in the car. And I remember being there, the door shutting on the car

and Max was being like no mummy car no mummy car oh god absolutely distraught but my friends sent me like this little care package and one of the things in it

was a brussel sprout you know one of those in posse puzzles yeah so I literally spent the next four days doing this in posse puzzles of like brussel sprouts

and that really helped the glamour of showbiz the biggest show on telly you were doing sat there doing a fucking brussels sprout puzzle on your own it's the dream gig the big gig on telly it was hard yeah i've made it have i in a fucking cabin in Wales. There was one point where they took our phones away because obviously we're not allowed to... No, so the same day. So Max left, my phone got taken away that night. Oh, my God.

Yeah, it's quite brutal. And I can remember them dropping off, though, a radio because I was a real goody two-shoes and I handed in my Apple Watch as well. So I was like, because if I have that, then I can communicate. So I should probably hand that in. Other people were like, you gave away your actual phone. You didn't have a burner phone.

I was like, no, I didn't have a bloody burner phone. A burner phone? I know. So I handed everything in. And then I said, but I won't know what time it is. So is it possible to get some sort of digital clock or something? They said, great. And the one that they delivered had a radio on it,

which they obviously hadn't thought about it. So that first afternoon, I was there listening to Zoe Ball ball on the radio then it was steve wright in the afternoon and mcfly came on the first time i switched the radio on which felt like a massive crowd like oh they're with me and then after less than 24 hours i think it was they realized their error and that it was taken away from me oh it's just you and the sprout after that. So Tom had a one-year-old, a three-year-old and a five-year-old. Is that right? Yeah, yeah, good times. How long for?

Yeah, who had the worst time there out of you and Tom? Well, he would have had them for about four weeks. Wow. He would have taken a bush-tuckle trial. Give me a fish eye any time. There was definitely that. Three under five. Well, I think Max at that point, he was maybe just turned two.

And there was a point where when I got back, Tom was like, he's really not been going to sleep. It's been taking ages for him to go to bed. Sometimes I've had to pause the telly so I can, you know, get him to bed, then come downstairs to watch I'm a sleep. And I was like, right, why don't we just drop his naps then? Because that's the obvious thing to do. The next night, just everything fell into place and he was sleeping beautifully but if tom had just done that

little thing while i was away his life would have been so much easier how did he feel when you did that you come home and absolutely bossed it immediately he must have felt pathetic i think he just was relieved by that point i had a lot of parenting to make up for you know solo parenting. If your partner's in the jungle, there's part of you that's thinking, I hope they're evicted early here, surely. I think you think that if you're in Australia.

Yeah. If you're in Australia and having a lovely time in the Versace Hotel, you know, I'm sure you're just like, come on, just come out. We can have a lovely time. But did he have loads of, like, lads' holidays booked in for when you got back? Was it a bit of a trade-off like that, or was he...

No, but he's had years of going on tour with mcfly fair enough so so you know i feel like maybe i had it was me getting it back actually yeah uh so yeah so no fair enough your chance to relax and i'm a celebrity yeah exactly really nice a bit of me time because he's way on tour you're never gonna be away as much as he is so he's always in debt he's like a gambler in a casino he's never going to gamble his way out

every time he gives a bit back he just and how do you split out the parenting then because you're both in kind of jobs that are not like

consistent hours and stuff yeah are you working on a week by week basis is that how it yeah sometimes it's a day by day thing yeah I mean I've never

managed to plan a week ahead myself I'm not sure why i'm imagining it's a lot of high-fiving great you'll go tag teaming yeah um yeah because i was in italy for a long time so yeah i've actually just come back of a trip that's made me come away from him for a long time yeah this is your new tv show on itvb where you go to it and reconnect with your roots. Made in Italy. Yes. How long was you away for? Well, I went away for a week, then I came back for a week, and then I was away for three.

So four weeks in total, yeah. When we were talking about, you know, how we're going to schedule it and stuff, that first week, because it fell in the summer holidays, me and my sister and my brother were like, well, maybe we should bring out the partners and the kids for that first chunk, even if they wouldn't be filmed. But if we can bring them, then we can have a holiday.

And thankfully, we decided not to because they did come for the last three days of filming. And oh my gosh, like trying to do your job when you've got really excited kids around, it's just really, really hard. But you know, I think of all of that, the summer holidays week was probably the toughest for tom and then the kids are back at school all of them are at

school now yeah i think if he's done when it's throwing them in school it isn't as difficult is it that's the the way no yeah rob's trying to convince himself about his australia trip that's coming up how long are you away for three and a half weeks basically four oh no it's fine though isn't it now they're in school rob it's basically four weeks they're in school they're in school anyway lou what you're fucking moaning about i love it when tom comes back and he's like it shows me his diary he's like yes i'm basically going to south africa i know south america for for eight days i'm like it's two weeks it's eight days i'm like actually two weeks weeks no no it's eight days i'm like it's actually two weeks never

includes travel time when you're telling the partner never count the travel time no don't include the days off that's not my fault if i've got a day off in the middle oh god it's so hard to balance it isn't it that's what you know because you never want to feel like you're taking the piss or louie's going away with a friend in new york for a little holiday because we have to book that in or it's just not fair especially if you are with someone that is away that much it's just so brutal even if and especially if you're just going away for work it is still fun at points you know going to italy must have been a lot more fun than doing the jungle what what were you up to absolutely but we ate a lot of food and drank a lot of wine we definitely didn't do that in the castle

but we went back to my dad was with us it was dad uh my sister georgina and my brother mario and we went back to valva which is where dad grew up so it's um in the region of campania so naples near there not too far away about an hour and a half from there up in the mountains and it's it was kind of a little farming community really everyone grows their own stuff but yeah so uh so we went back to Valva and just relived old memories there and that was brilliant. And then we went to the Amalfi Coast, to Ischia, to Naples,

and then back to Valva and had our kids come out with us as well. So we're looking at food and like different recipes and stuff, but not in the way that it's, it's not a cooking show. It's a show that we are making and eating a lot of food

and drinking a lot of wine and finding out how things are made and stuff. But it's more sort of us just having a really good time. What kind of audience is it for, would you say? Because obviously your brother Mario is in TOWIE and ITVB is quite a TOWIE, like reality TV stuff. But this feels quite sort of family and pure. It's not like drama.

You're not all going to be kicking it off. It's like a proper like... Throwing a red wine in someone's face. Yes! Swimming, someone's face. Yeah. Is that a swin in your dad? Yeah, no, no wine was thrown. That's the only thing I think that would push dad over the edge and would create a drama.

If we chucked our wine or like if we left some food, that would create a little bit of drama. Carnage. And so did your dad grow up in Italy? Yeah, yeah. Dad moved over to England when he was 19 and he came with two suitcases. I love this.

He had one suitcase was full of food and the other one had pasta and jars of tomato sauce because he didn't know what the English food was going to be like. Amazing. That's incredible. How was it growing up then? Like, obviously, you know, like being Italian heritage and your kids now, like now are sort of so British.

Do you sort of try and instill some Italian in them? And does your dad do it as well? I bet he's desperate for him to sort of be more Italian almost as their granddad. Yeah, but that's also why we love going back. And Tom loves going back as well, actually, because it is such a different life. So they always had this sort of farmer community where they would trade the things they'd been growing with each other. So they'd go round to one person's house. I've got some spare eggs.

Oh, great, I've got some runner beans. You can have those. So there was always this close bond. But then over 40 years ago in 1980, there was a massive earthquake and it ruined the village completely. So people were put in temporary accommodation for a long time. My nonna lived in her temporary house for 20 years. Over 40 years on, some people are still living in their temporary housing because they're just like,

well, this is my home now. You know, I've lived in this for so long. But again, that kind of really brought everyone closer. It changed people's views on what life is about. And so, yeah, for that reason, it's just so lovely to go back. And it is, it's about being together talking sharing stories having wine having food and there is just this lovely simplicity about life but I think we think of simplicity sometimes it's a bad thing but actually they just really focus on the things that

are important it's not about what you have it's about you know spending time with people you love and in terms of Italian food as well one thing I love about it is that it's about you know spending time with people you love and in terms of italian food as well one thing i love about it is that it is food for everyone you know it's not about going down to whole foods and getting some ridiculously expensive ingredients that no one can buy it's about food you can literally grow and turn into something really really delicious food you can put in a suitcase and take to Britain. That kind of food. Food you can emigrate with. You can emigrate with like a Paddington.

Was your childhood a bit different having an Italian dad then compared to the other kids at school? Or was it pretty standard? I'd say it was pretty standard for us. Dad grew up with not much. So for us, he was quite frugal in that sense. Does he think you spoil your kids now because of, like, what, you know, the stuff you can do and... Well, no, I don't know if he does, but I think in terms...

Like, we were definitely just shoved out into the garden, like, just going out for fun, you know, and I do think that that is part of the Italian thing. Like, when our summers spent there, they were just us outside, like, running up and down different sets of stairs stairs going up to the mountain to get water it wasn't you know toys and things like that that my kids have you know their life is not complete unless they have this thing whereas for us i don't feel like we had that i had friends since like i used to go to sarah taylor's house because she had a tiny tears doll or so-and-so's house because they had something else.

But I never felt like I went without. I just, you know, in any shape, it was all about family and being together. You know, only now do I realise how lucky we are that Dad will be home every night for dinner, so we'd all sit around as a family and do that. And that's something that we do now. I just feel like it's...

Apart from them eight days in South America, he won't be. Yeah. And the four weeks you spent in the jungle and the extra three weeks you spent in Italy and the forthcoming world tour that I'm sure will fly beyond. But yeah, pretty much it's that Italian style.

Everyone's around. He's on FaceTime in Osaka. There you go. Hello, Tom. When England played Italy last year in the final of the Euros, who did you support and who did your children support? I can tell you who my dad supported. My dad supported the winner.

Whoever won. We're not massive football lovers. Tom's never followed it but he loves it so we're all a bit like oh okay let's try and help you in some way that's that's tough isn't it if your kids are into football and you're not and you've suddenly got to show an interest in it yeah i would say tom is probably the least italian man you could have ever married and guess what nationality was italy would probably be about the 300th option but out of both of us he wants to retire in italy he wants to go be in the mountains you know yeah yeah that's because you're having to spend two

weeks in south america to earn a living whereas you get to travel around italy around Italy. Terms of stressful jobs. Yes. The baby club. That looked like that could be anarchy. I used to watch the baby club all the time.

The theme tune is still stuck in my head. Baby Jake was the worst one for me because it was the first thing that was on telly. My kids used to wake up at like half four

and a baby had to fuck off Jake and also I knew that Jake was about 23 now and he used to do my editing. So you didn't feel bad telling him to fuck off because he's an adult now. Yeah, I'm like fuck off Jake. He's just there smoking a cigar in a nightclub

earning the money at 18. Fuck off Jake. What was the baby club like to film? It was actually really nice to film and I think because we knew from the start there's so many people who worry about going to baby clubs so we wanted to capture all the people swoop them up who feel like they can't go to baby groups around them either because financially because mentally they might not be able to get on that bus they might be suffering with post-natal depression

there's so many things that can stop someone going. And we wanted to show the realities of a baby club and let people know that anything goes. So it can be chaos. Your baby can have a punami when you're there. You can breastfeed, whatever it is. Anything goes in the baby club and that's absolutely fine. So I think because I knew that that was the premise and at the time we'd already done quite a few series of having a baby.

So I knew that it was such a needed thing. So going into the room I was always a bit like well it's fine you know I've spent all night knowing what I have to say and whatever happens in this room happens and we just go along with it I remember the first day of filming though I was so nervous and just there was so much to focus on and think about that I can remember at the end of the day although we had one set of babies in the morning and another in the afternoon and at the end of the day I remember looking had one set of babies in the morning and another in the afternoon, and at the end of the day, I remember looking at this one baby on my left and being like, wow,

I have not actually seen your face the whole time we've been filming. You know how you're just going through it all and just trying to pace it all together but not actually present? So that was a big, yeah, kick up the butt to me to kind of go, no, actually, it's important that you're really there

in the same way that you're there in parenting and stuff. But I loved the chaos. I loved it. How many baby clubs are you knocking out in a day? How many episodes of Baby Club? Two episodes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, so not too stressful.

No, no. The kids hold you back, don't they, over workload? That's the problem with kids' TV. You can't hammer it out. You're not like Bradley Walsh on The Chase. You know what I mean? You've got to... No.

Come on, babies, we're doing our sixth of the day. Let's blast through this. Yeah, stop crying. Fucking get on with it. Have a sleep tonight. Yeah, no, they can only film for two hours a day. So with their breaks and stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So they can only be on set, I think. They've got a strong union, haven't they, those babies? Yeah, they really do. And they're very vocal about it if you try and stretch it. Sorry, I'm on overtime here. If you do one more minute, I'm on double time. But also, and then that's the important thing in the room, though, reassuring all those parents.

Yeah. It's fine if your baby cries. As a parent being in that room, you know the hot sweats that that parent is going through. Oh, man, your baby's crying your life on the baby club. Oh, I mean, the killer. Oh, my word. Do parents come from all across the country to do the baby club, then?

Yeah, they try and keep it more locally because we film it up in Manchester so that people aren't travelling around too much. And they can call people in as well if someone's sick or whatever. Yeah. But they really do cast a wide net over who can be on it. And they want people to be able to switch it on and see themselves there. You know, so they do take their casting very, very seriously. It's good.

But do you ever lose your... Like, you're so sort of kind and polite and just nice to people and stuff. Have you ever lost your temper? Oh, yeah. What gets you going? What annoys you when you lose your, what's the kind of stuff?

I do a lot of passive aggressive stuff when I'm driving or if I've started to open a door for someone and they don't say thank you. It doesn't take much to say thank you. So I'm always like, oh, thank you. Oh, no, thank you very much. It's okay. Yeah, I hope you have a good day.

I have a conversation with myself. I'm one of those people. Nice, nice. Quite annoying, really, in itself. One of those. Yeah. And how about when you're out and about with Tom and stuff? Obviously, Fly fans are sort of well-intensed.

You've got a massive following as well. Like, it's probably quite a sort of double amount of people coming up to you, especially when you're kids. Do you find that difficult? Because you talk about your kids and stuff like that, the people just assume that you're fine with it, even though you're trying to have a bit of private time. Yeah, I find it difficult if the kids are clearly not wanting to stand there

and whoever's stopped isn't registering that and letting us just go. I find that difficult. And there's always the, sorry, I know you're with your family, but, you know. But saying that, I feel like we have created something where people do feel like they know us and you have to honour that a bit. Tom wouldn't be off touring you know we wouldn't be living in a house that we're living in if we didn't have that connection with people so it's a balance isn't it it is a balance especially when you're with the kids and they're like can I go in the park and you go to go in the park and they go oh I just want to say I'm like yeah okay cool but I'm trying to take my

kid on the then they're pulling on your arm going I want to go and then you don't want to feel like you're you don't want to be rude to the people because you don't want to be rude to the people, but you don't want to be rude and ignore your child, you know. Also, though, you don't want, like, I've heard stories of other people before, and people be like, oh, they're a horrible,

like, person in the public eye. Oh, God, right nightmare, really horrible, really rude person. You're like, but are they, or did you just? Who did you hear that about? Oh, it was you. It wasn't.

He loves gossip. But have you actually just caught them on a bad day yeah yeah and how have you approached them but with that in mind i'm always a bit like i don't want to be a knob to anyone who comes over because that will then go to someone else and they'll be like oh that baby club person knobbed yeah i don't want that oh she's nice to the babies isn't she but bloody hell you get on the back of my taxi i'm nice to everyone but if they're horrible to me or a knob to me or not to me, I just think that's an excuse

to just go at them and I will unleash. That is classic Rob. You know, I'm like as good as gold. But people must go up to you and think you're their mate sort of thing.

Yeah, that's fine if they say hello at chat. When they go like, some bloke come up to you in a pub and he's like, hello, he's drunk and he just sort of sat at our table

without sort of asking. I was like, oh, hello was like oh hello right you were yeah what are you famous for and i was like oh i did a bit of stand-up where yeah she's seen you and that you know there's like the extent to your fame is it and all like that and then i was pissed and i don't know if this is the most tragic thing i've ever said or the coolest i i'm gonna bet i'm gonna bet on the first one before i even hear it it's gonna be the first one right i went i went i think we should stop this conversation here because i don't think you're going to like the way it ends but what i meant was what i was trying to get across was like if you give me banter i'm just going to rip you apart because that's my job i'm a comedian but it sounded like i was going to fight

him but i didn't really realize it sounded like i was gonna fight him until i stopped talking and then i was just staring at him in the eye and i'm like i don't know what happens now because i basically said if you don't fuck off i'm gonna hit you and what was his reaction he absolutely crumbled and went but i was bigger than him he was a little fella how small was he it wasn't me was it no it's probably my height, but he was quite very slight. There was nothing of him. And I was so happy that he left. Because if he stayed, I was going to have to...

And then if he just went, how does it end? I'd go, I don't really know. Just with us having an awkward chat, actually. And you're not going to enjoy it. I think I might have to punch you now because of what I've said. But I don't want to. But I've got myself in a hole. But yeah, I can't ever imagine your Tom's telling anyone to fuck off.

No. Because you're a bit nicer than me. No, absolutely not. And actually, like, growing up, I guess, early days of McFly, you'd always get sort of teenage lads trying to be quite clever and a bit cocky. Oh, yeah. Just jealous.

Because it was like the pop group rock band wasn't it yeah but we never really we never really went out and did the whole london thing that so many other people were doing at that time you know we would literally be going down our local pub having a few drinks there then going back to one of our houses put music on and just dancing yeah the eight of us if the four boys had their partners there that was it those were our like rock and roll yeah just having like a little party at home and it would happen most nights but we knew that if we went out in london that there would be a mixed reaction and you just would find someone who was you know wanting to show off to their mates and be a bit cocky yeah mcfly was so popular but also like to a certain demographic there was a lot of sort of angry jealousy of other people so it was

either too intense with people going, oh my God, is McFly all right? Oh, fuck that. You know, it's quite a Marmite kind of reaction, isn't it? I think you probably get that with music. Do your kids like McFly? Kids love McFly. Hate Busted.

No, they love Busted. They love McBusted. But they're into really cool, like they're into ACDC, Weezer, Green Day. So they're into like the heavier sort of stuff. Like Buzz, who's my eight-year-old, he'll go around most of the day with a guitar around his neck. Oh, wow.

And just like, yeah. Oh, amazing. The moment he's learning to play Sweet Child of Mine, which is just something that he's decided to do. Oh, wow. Yeah. It's just lovely to see that they've got this absolute love. And with Buzz, I was taking him to McFly concerts as a baby.

You know, I'd put little ear defenders on him and we'd go out and we'd, you know, he'd have a little, and he'd just be absolutely fascinated by it. So it's nice to see that they've still got this love of it. Yeah. Because other people I know who have kids, you know, their parents are musical,

that doesn't necessarily mean that the child is going to love music in the slightest. Yeah. So it is nice. I think Tom loves the fact that he can have a jam whenever he wants to, you know. Yeah. Amazing.

Imagine if you had a Hanson on your hands all three of them could form a band like Hanson and then they'll all be on tour you'll just be sat there five FaceTime screens around the table we always meet though family to our core every night beamed in do you feel though sometimes because you've got three boys and they're into their music do you sometimes feel a bit like you know a bit left out of the loop something because sometimes when you've got the two girls and they run off with lou doing stuff and they're like no boys allowed they always say that to me no boys just girls i do feel a bit like oh okay you know that it's

sort of like if they're not into the things that you're into yeah i absolutely do get that but at the same time i've always got other stuff to get on with so i've been like that you're into. Yeah. I absolutely do get that. But at the same time, I've always got other stuff to get on with. So I've been like, OK, you're enjoying your band practice. Tom's in charge of this. See you later. It's quite enjoyable at the moment. You're not missing it too much yet.

Maybe when they're older. No. No. But you know what happened a little while ago? Because they have this little band practice thing that they do, they got to a McFly gig back in July and the band beforehand had gone on and it was about half an hour until the mcfly guys were going to be on stage and buddy said so when are we going on and tom was like no you're

not you're not going on it's a mcfly show but he was like but but we've been rehearsing and so and then he got really upset so Tom spoke to some of the tech guys because they have to go out and they have to line check every drum and every guitar and everything like that. And so they had agreed to let the boys go out with them. Amazing. So they could do that part.

So the older two did it. Max didn't do it. So Buzz and Buddy went off. They did their hair. Massive, like, comb over. They made themselves look really, really smart. And they went on stage and they had practiced this. They went on.

Buddy, first of all, started hitting the drums. And then all of a sudden you can hear us doing a rhythm. And then Buzz starts singing We Were Rockies. Amazing. In front of like 10,000 people. Wow. Amazing. It was absolutely incredible. I bet they went mad for it as well, the crowd. Yeah. Absolutely.

So I do feel like maybe them all being in a band, I just get to watch and be really, really proud. Yeah, absolutely. So I do feel like maybe them all being in a band, I just get to watch and be really, really proud. Yeah, that's a great thing. And be happy with that. I'll be the new Kris Jenner. Yeah. Imagine that, the next, the Briton's Kris Jenner.

Did the audience know who they were? Or were they just like, there's just two kids on the stage? Yeah, no, they did. They got it straight away. Yeah. And also it's one of those things that once one person realises... Yeah, yeah, yeah. That techie's tiny.

Got child labour. But the crowd were, like, singing along. It was amazing. Everyone was singing it. It was so good. They're probably on a long-term contract from the baby club. They've got them in early. Spreading them through the family.

As a kind of one of the main names on CBeebies, have you met Mr Tumble? Yes, but not through that. I met him at the Children's BAFTAs, me and Tom. I think we must have only had buzz at that point. But he's one of the only people that Tom has let me go and ask

for a photo. We literally went, it's Mr Tumble, we have to get a photo with him. We were on the red carpet. Mr Tumble didn't care who we were but he did stop and he had a photo with us

and Buzz couldn't believe it the next day. Oh that's good to know. Was Mr Tumble wearing a suit or was he still wearing his outfit? No he was wearing a suit.

He was wearing a suit yeah. Was he Justin or was he being Mr Tumble? He was Justin at that point yeah. Yeah yeah. And what's Justin like? What's the man behind

the red nose? He's got to be lovely hasn't he? To create such. Right, okay. Yeah, yeah. And what's Justin like? What's the man behind the red nose? He's got to be lovely, hasn't he? To create such an inclusive, amazing show. Yeah. I have actually welled up certain episodes of Mr. Tumble. He's a mega star, though, isn't he? Yeah.

Oh. Absolutely. What a guy. He does a morning and afternoon show at Wembley Arena. Does he? Does he? He must be absolutely minted.

Is he, though? Well. Or is that going to creators? Oh. Whoa. Okay. I don't that going to creators? Oh, OK. Now we're talking, OK. Did you try and take the baby club on tour? Imagine the ISO fixes on the rider. The baby club up there.

Nigel has done some live baby club stuff. Isn't it? Apparently it's gone down really, really well. Really cute. Yeah. Imagine 12,000 babies. A baby club at the O2. That would be an incredible experience.

Surely someone's got to have done the biggest baby group for the Guinness Book of Records or something. Let me Google. You two chat. I'm just going to Google that. I think they should get Tumble to open Glastonbury. You know how they always get a legend to open it up on the Friday night?

Imagine Tumble doing a set. It would go down so well. Oh, he's got to get Tumble. He hasn't got a kid, though, has he, Justin? No, but I still think he qualifies. He definitely qualifies. No, all I've got is the world's biggest ever baby. Do you want to know that?

Yeah, go on. Who's going to say no? If anyone said no to that, I don't know any part of them. No, what do you mean no? The world's biggest baby, yeah? So, £19. Jesus Christ. Wow. £19, 19 pounds. Jesus Christ. Wow.

19 pounds, three ounces. How do you give birth to that? That is incredible, isn't it? That's got to be a cesarean, isn't it? It's got to be. Or just legs off. Was it a baby, not a baby animal? Yeah, it was a cesarean.

Wow, 19 pounds. Now we know. Wow. There's no biggest ever baby club or baby group. So do email in if you've been in a big baby group. Giovanna, you've interviewed some mega stars on your podcast, right? How do you prepare for that? Because you are really slick and very good at your job.

What we do is, quite frankly, sometimes a fucking joke. It's a shambles. I've just Googled the biggest ever baby. You're right to do that. I stand by that, Josh. I wouldn't say that's one of the negative points of our show. So how much prep are you doing? Didn't you speak to the princess, Catherine? Is that right?

Yeah, I did. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I get really nervous before every single episode. Really nervous. See, that's our problem. We don't give a shit. To the point it's dangerous. We need to be more nervous.

We started lockdown. There was never any pressure. It just feels the same. It feels like it's dangerous. We need to be more nervous. We started in lockdown. There was never any pressure. It just feels the same. It feels like it's still COVID knocking about. Isn't it crazy that you're like, this is something that has started off the back of... Yeah, tell me about it, mate. I've listened to so many episodes of this.

It's brilliant. Absolutely brilliant. Oh, thank you. So keep doing what you're doing. It doesn't need to be anything else. Don't listen to the comments online. It doesn't need to be anything else. Don't listen to the comments online. It doesn't need to be anything else. You don't need to read those reviews about some songs we can't hear

and they talk about, you know, Rick Waller for 20 minutes when I read them. Did you interview her on Zoom or did you do it face to face? No, it was face to face. So it was on my birthday, 29th of January, 2020. So it was before COVID was even a thing. We were meant to meet up the week before, but had happened so we met in a nursery we did a royal engagement together and actually that was the second time that we'd met right because we met previously yeah and even then it was a very weird thing so the royal foundation had got in touch to create some sort

of podcast off the back of the fact that she was doing something about early years yeah and there was a massive survey so they just wanted to get lots of people talking about it, but not necessarily with her because she hadn't done anything like that before. And so we just floated the idea of her maybe doing a little bit. We were told maybe 10 minutes we'd get with her. Then the first royal engagement I did with her, we ended up having five minutes where we just chatted,

just us two, away from the cameras and everything, which was lovely. But not being recorded, just having a catch-up. Not being recorded, yeah, literally. We were in like a soft play. And at that point, we both had three kids. And I remember, and she asked if my kids were there. And I said, there's no way.

I was like, my three kids would be so feral here. And we just sort of laughed over the fact that hers would be the same. And we started randomly talking about maternal mental health. And I don't know if you know this, but the reason why my podcast continues and why we do what we do is the leading cause of death and new mums is suicide so it's really important that we kind of tell mums that they're not on their own and whatever they're feeling it's normal you know um so we talked about that and then we went into this big chat so the

second time we were planning to meet her i still thought we were going to have this 10 minutes then the next thing i know we've got 45 minutes with her because of the back of this chat. We didn't get that long with Gary Neville. We didn't. Fuck me. We need to up our game, Josh. We need to get, like, new mics or something.

At least some headphones at work. For a minute, it turned into us being in the room for almost an hour and 20 minutes. Oh, my God. Because she'd listened to other episodes before coming in. Obviously, part of her briefing, I would imagine, is kind of, this is the kind of chat. No, they're human people.

They're listening to stuff. Yeah. Hello, Will. Hello, Kate, if you're listening. We know you're there. Come and chat if you're fucking hard enough. We'll take 10 minutes. We're not going to ask for an hour and 20.

We're not great. Take 10 minutes. So you had an hour and 20 minutes. Did they cut a lot of it out, or did you have to send it for approval and stuff? We did not great. And so you had an hour and 20 minutes. Did they cut a lot of it out or did you have to send it for approval and stuff? We did, yeah. There's definite approval stuff. And beforehand,

so I wrote out sort of like a plan for the episode and what I would ask. So you have to send that to them? Yes. That's where we're at. We're out. We're out. We're out.

We're out. We're out. We're out. We're out. We're out. We're out. Fuck that. Fuck off.

No chance. But they didn't send that until the night before. So I sent that in and the comms guy phoned me straight away and he was like, you know, I'm not sure if they did hypnobirthing. I don't know if you'll talk about, you know, the extreme morning sickness or this or that, but I'll take it to her. She's not met Rick Roller, so I wouldn't even bother with that question.

Yeah, don't even bother with that question. And then while she was being briefed prince william was in the room and he just said just talk just just do all of it just answer all the questions freely and if you get to the end of it and don't and wish you hadn't spoken about hit rebirthing whatever they can edit it out it's absolutely fine um and i think that gave her so you're saying he's in charge and she doesn't think for herself is that what you got from it? Is that the headline? Just looking for a podcast title. Don't blame me. Just a journalist doing my job.

They call me the ice cream man, scoop after scoop. That's going to do a Mr. Whippy one, but I didn't have energy to think of anything funny. Oh, sorry. So, yeah, and then she just spoke, did she? Sorry for interrupting. Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, then she just spoke freely and then, like every podcast, gets edited down.

So when you're sat down and you've got this list of questions to ask Kate, Princess Kate, whatever you have to call her, Duchess, what did you have to call her? The Duchess of Cambridge? She was then Catherine or the Duchess, yeah. The Duchess. But now she's Princess. So you can't Kate her off?

No, because she's not Kate. No one calls her Kate. No, they'll call her Catherine. Catherine, the Duchess, yeah. The Duchess. But now she's Princess. So you can't Kate her off? No, because she's not Kate. No one calls her Kate. No, they'll call her Catherine. Catherine, yeah, yeah, yeah. And even then it was the Duchess, but now the Princess. You'd be Robert. You'd be Robert if it came to it. If I was to...

If you married him... Do you use Beatrice and Eugenie? I mean, I can't add more teeth to the royals at that stage. Their gene pool's full of teeth already. They don't need me getting involved. So you've got Catherine. How nervous are you when you're asking the questions and did you relax as it went on i was really nervous and i did relax and i actually i do a thing with my questions i had this thing really early on in my career where i was doing a facebook live with someone it was like

a big broadcast type thing and all the questions had been given to me on a flip chart so nothing had been given to me in my hand. And I can remember asking this person a question, listening to the first bit and then looking back at the flip boards just so I could glance at what was coming next. And the person I was interviewing stopped talking in kind of like a, if you're not going to listen to me, I'm not going to answer kind of way. Or who was that?

I'm not going to say, but I've never been so disappointed. Well, I'm just going to spend the afternoon Googling Giovanna Fletcher, Facebook Live. But I was so disappointed in this person. I'm going to have a little look now while you carry on. Don't let me distract you. Because not only will I look away, I will Google the internet doing my interviews. But we're very different people, Giovanna. Google the internet?

What are you, a gram? But as a result of that, I now don't look at my questions at all. So I might be surrounded by pieces of paper when I do the podcast, but they're just like a security blanket. Other than actually the podcast that you came on, Rob, when we talked to Disney, because that is a bit more formulaic.

Whereas with Happy Baby, I'll do my research and then I'll just chuck it out the door and not actually look down at my notes. Also, you know when you're interviewing Rob, there's nothing that's going to stop him talking. I know, I'm bad at quite happy when someone looks away he'll just plow on and what's it a waterstones event the time you got told off by your interview

and then we'll just tell the audience perfect yeah it's no problem who it was. Who's that one? They look a bit like a dick, that one. I'll tell you after. Okay, I'll... And then we'll just tell the audience. Perfect. Yeah, no problem. No, no, off record, off record. But if you see me in the street, I will tell you. Do you know what, Rob?

Let's cut to the final question then because I've got something I need to know. So basically, in conclusion, we are hugely underprepared for when Catherine comes on our podcast. That's never going to happen.

I think we've learned a lot of lessons here, Rob, about quite how bad we'd be. I don't think you would be bad. I think you'd have a great time. Do you think? Yeah, I don't think any of it will go out. Really. Anyway.

Oh, the final question that we ask everyone. Who was it on the Facebook Live? That's what we ask every time. Yeah, so just a coincidence. No, what's one thing that Tom does parenting-wise that drives you mad and really annoys you? And what's one thing he does where you go, oh, that's so amazing, he's such a wonderful dad?

We'll go negative, then positive. Okay. I would say... Two years it took us to realise to do that, by the way. Oh, really? Yeah. We don't get bogged down. Yeah.

That's why we're not ready for Kate. Catherine. Were you just giving the negatives Before then Just did negatives and left it Were you just going negative Okay What's one thing That Prince William

The future king of England Does that annoys you Imagine us Dropping that question Nicholas Witchell Panicking with his notes Going I don't I don't even know

What a trip-trap chair is I've got to be on this morning In nine months time Because there's a tour of somewhere sorry sorry so the thing that tom does when he gets to bath time and bedtime i try and make it nice and zen and nice and calm you know inside voices blah blah he's there with the guitar um you know really getting quite excited and doing the opposite of actually what bedtime means. Yes, that would annoy me. Have a day off, mate.

Come on. Yes, okay, classic. Fair enough. Classic performer. Yeah, and you know, it's lovely to hear them all giggling and laughing and all that stuff. But at the same time, it's bedtime

and this will go on forever if you, yeah, if you rile them up. I don't want to hear a laugh post 6.30pm. Thank you very much. His tours are hard work, Josh. He'll struggle, won't you? And he can guarantee that. On his tour, Josh will have got no laughs after 6.30.

He rips it in the sound check at 6. But I tell you what, if you want to bring a kid, they will be ready for bed at the end of that show. And what about the positive, Yvonne? Well, it kind of ties into the same thing, though. That play aspect. You know know that creativity that he brings into being a dad is amazing you know the fact that he can go off and have a little

band practice with them for an hour while i get on with everything else is pretty magical you know he i really see how he inspires our kids so that's that's a massive that's so sweet yeah oh that's nice that's lovely thank you so much that's nice. That's lovely. Thank you so much. Look at that. It's really sweet. It was really nice, wasn't it, Josh? Thank you. Look at you two as well.

You're so bang on it in terms of time. We pretend it's Shambolic. We're fucking lethal. Yeah. All of that. You're not going to believe that. All of that was written. Every word of that that we've done. We scripted that.

That's scripted. Was it? And we did you down all those things. Yeah. Did you love it? Yeah, exactly. So we just pretend. It's all put on just to make us look jambalig.

We're fucking animals for it. We're a machine. Do you want to know the most amount of children someone's ever had? Just because it's just sat there. Yes, yes, come on. Because it's the same Google of biggest ever baby group. She had 69 children. I'll tell you how that breaks down.

16 pairs of twins, 7 sets of triplets, 4 sets of quadruplets between 1725 and 1765. Total of 27 births. Oh my god. That feels like a lie. It makes my afternoon feel less stressful. But I have googled the internet so it is true.

Well thank you very much Giovanna. Thank you so much. That was so much fun. And shout out to your podcast again and your new show. Let everyone know, yeah, where they can watch it. The podcast is Happy Mum, Happy Baby. You can get it from wherever you get your podcasts from. And the TV show is Giovanna Fletcher, Made in Italy. It will be on ITBB from the 13th of November.

There we go. Thank you. Cheers. Thank you so much. Good luck with it. Thank you. I'll be speaking again soon, I'm sure. Thanks so much.

Bye. Bye. Bye. Giovanna Fletetcher what a woman brilliant love that it's great should we just call it call it down that you got something to me no i think she's brilliant giovanna yeah because i met her doing that disney podcast she's so much fun and i listened to her podcast and i sort of before i listened to it i was like oh you oh, you know, she's lovely. But, you know, sometimes you think, oh, it might just be quite serious, you know, but she's not. She's really fun, loves her kids and really funny. So, you know, it's a great podcast.

I think that show will be good as well. She's a bloody laugh. Thank you very much for listening and we'll see you next week. See you later. Bye.