Rob Beckett and Josh Widdicombe's Parenting Hell - S7 EP40: Angela Scanlon

Episode Date: December 8, 2023

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Hello I'm Rob Beckett and I'm Josh Willicombe. Welcome to Parents in Hell the show in which Josh and I discuss what it's really like to be a parent which I would say can be a little tricky. So to make ourselves and hopefully you feel better about the trials and tribulations of modern day parenting each week we'll be chatting to a famous parent about how they're coping or hopefully how they're not coping and we'll also be hearing from you the listener with your tips advice and of course tales of parenting woe because let's be honest there are plenty of times where none of us know what we're doing hello you're listening to parenting hell with olivia can you say josh widdicombe and can you say rob beckett who Josh Whittakin. And can you say Rob Beckett? Rob Beckett. Who

do you like more, Rob or Josh? Rob. Unbelievable. No hesitation. Josh. Change your mind? Yes. Okay. You giveth and taketh away. Who is that scumbag, charlatan changing her mind? Olivia. Big fans of the podcast, and you managed to make us feel like we're not alone with relentless madness that is parenting. This is Olivia, who's two and a half years old and big sister to Harry, being indecisive about her favourite host.

Keep up the great work. Mike and Jess from Liverpool. Bye. Big up, Mike and Jess. Now, Josh, we should explain what's going on here. You're lying on the floor with a child's dressing gown under your neck so this 10 minutes we've recorded just after the tuesday episode rob we can be honest about that can't we we've recorded for an hour and

your neck's hurting so now you're laying on the floor it's not even that it's hurting it just needs a bit of pressure taken off it. And how does it feel laying on the floor doing the episode? Relaxing. I'm trying to do my breathing at the same time. That's why I went silent. What breathing? I hold a lot of tension in my shoulders, Rob.

Yeah. Won't surprise you to know. So I'm breathing in a relaxed manner. Yes, of course. And that's great. I sort of do need you to be on a podcast manner. Yes, of course. And that's great. I sort of do need you to be on a podcast as well at the same time. I've got some bad news, Rob. Okay. About my room.

It's the first time I've noticed there's a dead fly in my light. Right. Okay. Because you're staring at the light. Because I'm staring at the light. Yeah. What do you do about that? Because it's like a bulb.

Well, I'd argue that if it's the only time you've seen it it's not going to bother you do you know well that's a good point i can't see you laying down doing the podcast being a thing i think it really takes energy out of you okay let me bring some energy how's it going with the kids this week uh my daughters made it onto the eco committee rob okay what's that mean two kids from each year meet up to save the world yeah good luck yeah i know i think it might be the turning point that the world's looking for to be honest yeah what's our idea has been so far well it started today okay yeah we should have started yesterday mate we're up against it we've got to get the world down by two degrees

come on ideas what's going on with this committee yeah they do need to get going so hopefully she'll make some big changes but the world is safe i think when she comes home and she looks at her dad grafting away and making change lying on his floor talking to his mate about his kid my carbon footprint's pretty good work-wise i'm just lying in my office lying in your office staring at the ceiling yeah it's quite weird this lying on the floor thing i doesn't feel like i'm doing the opening bit of an episode i feel like i'm interrupting your sleep yeah i probably won't do it again i wouldn't say it's bringing loads to the show okay okay do you know what the problem is rob we never know what to talk

about in the intro section anyway yeah true agree should i bring something up to you bring something up that's going on in your life that you want to chat about hopefully we'll riff it'll be gold and then we can bring on the guest i texted my agent i said oh there's a job i want i've never done that before really yeah i've never done it before okay what job do you want i said i heard yeah on the grapevine that Greg Wallace has left inside the factory. I'd love to do that job. Is this true? Yeah. And she said, yeah, they've already announced Paddy McGuinness is doing it.

Really? Yeah, so for about a minute I dreamt and then it was like, oh, well, that's the end of that then. Why do you want to do Inside the Factory so much? Fucking love Inside the Factory, Rob. Why has Greg Wallace left? What? Fucking hell, he's done seven series. Yeah, he's been to a lot of factories.

Series seven, episode nine. Jesus Christ. I'm sure Paddy will have fun. Series eight. At Coca-Cola or wherever he's going. They run out of factories, won't they? We'd think so. Do you think I'd be good on inside the factory?

How many almonds are you putting in there? Bloody hell. Yeah, do you know what? That kind of stuff. I think because I know you, I think you'd be great, but I think maybe the TV execs might think you might be low energy, but I know when you get excited

how much you love it. Yeah, but I'm lying on the floor. It's difficult for me to argue that I'd bring energy at this exact moment. Yeah, you're laying there while someone's packing cereal boxes, 200 boxes a minute, and you're like,

oh, me neck hurts a bit. Yeah, I'm on the fucking floor of the Kellogg's factory. He's got Weetabix under his head. Chuck's got the Weetabix, mate. I need to prop me head up. Heeling me down here. Oh, so Paddy's doing it. Oh, that's a shame, but you really wanted that job.

There's really wanted, and there's finding out six months after Greg Wallace has left that he's left and thinking, oh, that would be quite a fun job. I'll text my agent, and then finding out he hasn't. And then never thinking about it again until someone says, have we got 10 minutes of content before someone comes on? I thought I could tell that anecdote. I would love to host You Bet if it came back. Yeah. And Family Fortunes, but Gino doesino does at the moment it does a great job on it you'd be so

good on family fortunes rob i genuinely think if there was a job created for someone it's me on family for absolutely yeah get a posh family working class family playing them off against each other i'll be all over a bit of ban of banter between the mum, the dad and the kids. And I'd like to host Question Time. I'd hate that. Have you been on it as a guest? No, absolutely F that. I never get why comics do that. I got asked to do it.

Romesh did it once with Nigel Farage, didn't he? Let me tell you this. Yeah. Question Time is the worst job on TV. You go on as a comic. Yeah. You get incredible amounts of abuse. Yeah. Can't be funny incredible amounts of abuse. Yep.

Can't be funny. Not allowed to be funny. Not allowed to be funny. You have to sit there with someone who you probably hate. Doesn't stop you on the last leg. What a lovely bit of business. And then you have to be abused on social media because you don't know what you're talking about.

Yeah. Oh, here we go. This is really good. Yeah, so you can't be funny. You get abused on social media. You're sitting with someone who's got opposing views that you're going to hate and argue with. I can't imagine the pay's great.

What are you trying to prove? And it's always in the middle of nowhere where they've gone to, like, the Ronda Valley. Yeah. Half the audience actively thinks you're a prick for having views. Bit like the last leg. Here we go this is great honestly i can't believe people would want to go on that show it's so toxic i tell you why

it's toxic because of twitter yes before that sorry it made sense because now it's called x people debating stuff x called x sorry sorry x formerly known as twitter now it's people debating stuff X sorry sorry X formerly known as Twitter but now it's basically go on so that everyone on X can criticise you

well for some comics they are political comics so they've got to go on there to prove that they know what they're talking about yeah exactly but I think you're just

I just couldn't believe it when they asked me you've got flashbacks to this week oh don't Rob was it this week where you went on that political news programme in an ill-fated way to promote your tour

and got in trouble with Michael Portillo. Oh, we spoke about this. We definitely spoke about this before. Yeah, we have. Yeah, add it to the list. But where Josh basically accused Michael Portillo and who was it? Diane Abbott.

Diane Abbott. Yeah, I didn't accuse Diane Abbott. You accused Michael Portillo of going to a private school and Andrew Neil, and they all went to comprehensives and you went, Oh, I don't know if I accused Andrew Neal. I accused Michael Portillo,

but, and it all got a bit awkward, didn't it? I just want to say, why are you wearing fucking red trousers? Then if you end up, go on, mate, you can't love trains and wear red trousers and go to a comprehensive.

How did you survive? What went on at your fucking comprehensive in that case? Because look at those trousers. I think that was fair. I think I would have assumed Michael Portillo went to that school. Yeah, and to be fair to Portillo, very polite off camera. To be fair to Portillo laying down in your office. Did you ever think when you were chuffing around Dartmoor,

you'd be lying in your office staring at a dead fly of a band-aid talking about your back and forth with Michael Portillo on the telly? I mean, his name is Michael Denzel Xavier Portillo. Yeah, come on. How did he go to a con? Are we sure he wasn't lying? Let me try. Oh, let's try and find out.

I'm on his Wikipedia. See what school he went to. He don't say, actually. I'm going to try and find out. So the Harrow County School for Boys apparently he went to. Oh, for fuck's sake. Are you fucking kidding me? Is that Harrow County?

It's a grammar school. Oh, fuck off. They could definitely have fooled private, but I think he got in that grammar school, so they sent him there. Oh, there we go. I didn't go to a private school. Suddenly, 15 years on, who's the winner?

Who's the winner?'s the winner is it you josh doesn't feel like it you know you're winning you're technically at work and you're laying down with a stiff neck exactly meanwhile this train show is now on channel five so who's the winner who's the winner yeah who's the winner between josh winnicombe and Michael Portillo. I love this beef. I love Portillo. I think he's a great talker. He was nice off camera. Lovely off camera. Yeah. I went on this week with Andrew Neil as well. I don't know what was going on. Yeah, I know you went on the week after because you phoned

me and said, what's it like? And I said, what's the YouTube clip? And then you just sent me a text saying, oh God. Oh, right, Josh, should we bring in our guest? Yeah. Let's welcome the man himself. Michael Portillo. It's not Portillo. It's not Portillo.

Do you know what? Here's a trick. Look at the name of the episode, that's who it is. We always do these kind of reveals. Who's listening to it and doesn't know who it is? Read it. There's your intro. I like you on the floor.

Get you on your back, you get a bit saucy. Yeah, I've got more energy. Angela Scanlon, welcome to the podcast. It's been a stressful start, but we're all here together now. Josh was downstairs sorting out the kids. My microphone's broken, so I'm holding a handheld one like I'm a lunatic on a podcast. And you got on the wrong bus, but we're here now.

TV presenter, presenter mother recently a strictly contestant angela how busy is your life at the moment do you know what it's suddenly become very not busy i certainly have quite a bit of free time and i'm not sure i like it but no look it's been absolute madness the past few months so we changed you on tuesday you got voted off of strictly at the weekend or on sunday but we all know really it's saturday that weird thing they still do do you clear your diary until christmas so you're like i'm gonna get some time off if i get knocked out or have you got stuff in and you're like i'll put that in no i kind of cleared the decks. Usually my approach to life is pile it high, fill it up.

If there's space in the diary, fill it in. And I've kind of learned over the years that actually that might not be the best approach. You are Josh Whittacombe. You two are the exact same person. Yeah, I do worry for your mental health. So do I, babe. I just came from therapy on the wrong bus.

I've been gone for quite a while, FYI. I shouldn't have got the wrong bus. But anyway, yeah, I think I've kind of learned that, like, emotionally it's not just about physically fitting things in, but that actually there may be requirements for a bit of space in your life and brain. So I'm getting to grips with that side of adulthood i think that's very key just because you can physically fit it in you need to work out emotionally if you can

process that and be alive and present when you're there big time because i think that's what i used to do would literally like barrel from one thing to the next and go god i'm where am i going i'm already on to the next thing by the time i'm in something that could have been quite monumental. So I did think, okay, I'd heard friends of mine who had done Strictly before and were like, babe, two kids, clear the decks, like you won't be able for it anyway, which is the kind of encouraging chat you get from good pals. So how old are the kids?

They are five and 18. Well, she was 18 months when we started, but like 20 months. Oh, wow. The pause made me laugh, but I think when they're months, you're allowed a pause. Ah, yeah. If you'd gone seven, I would have judged it. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So, no, like almost six and two in February. Yeah, so in the thick of it. How did that work with Strictly? Because famously with Strictly, it's become a bit like the nuclear arms race, isn't it? In that everyone has to do more and more hours practice. You should all just agree, let's do 10 hours. But no, instead.

A week, not a day, Josh. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what I mean, a week, yeah. But instead, everyone's doing more and more and more and more practice. So you have to do it to keep up. So how does that work with parenting? I mean, my husband, bless him, has been carrying a lot the last while.

And we've just leaned heavily. I mean, my whole family are in Ireland. They came over to help out on a couple of occasions. But yeah, you just end up. And I'm not great at asking for help as a rule. I mean, I think you have to as a parent, you certainly have to as a mother to bloody strictly with two small kids, you're literally calling in the favours. I'm like, okay, which WhatsApp group can I hit up today?

Any chat would pick up today, gang. Yeah, we have a childminder, which everyone seems to be weird about talking about publicly, but I'm like genuinely the idea of... We've got jobs. Exactly that. Sometimes there's a lot of secrecy around that and this kind of illusion that you're doing it all and you just happen to magically meet in the middle and the timings never go to bits.

You're practising the foxtrot while holding an 18-month-old. That's what people are picturing. She's in a sling on my back. I'm breastfeeding my five-year-old while doing the Sambon effect. So it was quite a gear change. And weirdly, that was part of the motivation for doing it for me was, you know, when you're in the pick of motherhood and that becomes a kind of defining role, obviously.

And you, yeah, slightly lose touch maybe with party yourself and so I was yeah quite keen to unleash the beast within well I suppose you do because that is the point where you start to get your life back a little bit when they're 80 months it's still young but it's not the proper middle of the night you know exactly you can sort of focus on yourself a bit because it is unfair especially more for mums and dads where you sort of become a mum and it's all consuming because it most of the time has a physical toll on your body that you're recovering from. And psychologically, that can take longer. So like there is a moment where you want to reclaim a bit of, right, yeah, I'm a mum, but I'm also just a person called Angela

that wants to have a life. Totally. And I mean, part of me would have loved to forget that at certain points in training and then the old pelvic floor let me down and the child said i was like lads honestly i can't do that i hadn't done in the middle of the dance and i kind of joked about it and then the reality of it was it was quite real i am pleased to say it's now stronger which is a result so that's a little tip for mothers out there. If they want the pelvic floor back in action, just get on Strictly. Just do eight weeks of dancing. Of clenching.

Yeah, and make sure you get to Blackpool. You'll need to get to Blackpool to see the full effect. You've got to get to Blackpool, lads. You have to do an Argentine tango specifically in Blackpool. It's quite raunchy with your mother and father looking on. I highly recommend it. Oh, God, yeah. How are the raunchy ones?

Because that's the thing with Strictly, isn't it? It's like you've got to commit to it to make the dance work, but it does feel odd when you're, like, married with two kids. Yeah. But you know what? Actually, I think that's the joy of it, is the escape from, like, reality into those characters. And, look, I'm not an actor,

but to be able to kind of put on like a mad ponytail and glitter in your hair and a dress that you would never wear in real life look I guess the relationship with your dance partner has a lot to do with how comfortable or not you might feel in those particular settings but I think I got very very lucky and we just had an absolute whale of a time and yeah you look like you was absolutely loving it. We had a ball, but I remember the first time we met, I tried to lead, which is kind of story of my life. And like, it's still quite traditional in ballroom. Like Latin, the woman follows.

So the man invites and the woman follows. And I like clamped his hand and was like, come on, trying to twirl him around. He's like, you've a lot to learn. And so it was this kind of sense of actually me slightly surrendering to that position of the female, which was quite nice. And yeah, I think he was allowed to be a bit freer

in himself as well, which was fun. But we had a great time. I mean, literally, I've been sobbing for days, lads. I'm hoping that I can keep my shit together on this. It's mad. Really? So did it really affect you then? Really affected me. Yeah.

In ways I just hadn't really anticipated, which I think is good in life. It's nice to be knocked around the head with a bit of surprise and like levels of emotion that aren't really felt in day-to-day situations. And certainly not in professional. I mean, you know, you have highs and lows,

but like, I love an old deep cry. You know, I like to listen to music, watch a film that induces emotion. Like, I am not interested in comedy. No offence. I want to feel someone's struggle. I want to feel... That's the kind of shit I'm into, you know.

So actually, I've really been scratching that itch. You want someone getting on the wrong bus. That's what you want. You want the sadness of shit I'm into, you know. So actually, I've really been scratching that itch. You want someone getting on the wrong bus. That's what you want. You want the sadness of someone on the wrong bus. And the triumph at the end and the growth. What do you think made you sort of upset then? Do you think it was more sad that you couldn't do it and the process of it?

Or did you think it was a bit harsh? How did you feel about it then? Was it just sadness that you're not involved like in the actual competition part? Yeah, I think it just felt just a bit premature and just a bit unlucky. And, you know, there's a kind of like fall of the cards and also Blackpool.

We had done like an amazing routine in Blackpool that was kind of like our best of the series. So it was quite a come day. And then I think the reality is you're in this, and people talk about the bubble. I was like, I don't really know what they're talking about, but genuinely, like me getting on the wrong bus is because I have not gotten on a bus for a number of months.

There's somebody waiting outside the house to bring you to training. Like every single day is... Scheduled, yeah. Yeah, I think the reality of that ending, we had a few little tricks up our sleeves that I was really looking forward to. Because if I was doing it,

I'd want to be voted out almost immediately and still be paid. I don't think there's any worries there, Rob. I think I can make that happen, Rob. How little training do you think I could get away with if I went the opposite approach to you? Well, none. Just none.

You see, the problem, Rob, is that I have quite a bit of pride in myself. Yeah. I gave up on that years ago. I envy that freedom, you know. I'm loose as it comes, Angela. You're like, give me the fat cash and sign me out after a week. Can I ask a question, which, and I'd be interested in your take on this as well, Rob.

Yeah. If I did Strictly, i'd be annoyed if i told rose i'd signed up to strictly and she didn't at least say i'm a bit worried about the curse i'd be slightly she can't lie so you want her to pretend that a dancer will fall in love with you, Josh? I'd like her to go, look, there's a chance one of these dancers is going to fall for you here, Josh. Did your husband at any point say, I'm worried about the curse?

I mean, look, it's easy to fall in love with a neurotic redhead. However, he wasn't that worried, weirdly. I mean, he often said, you'll be back soon enough anyway. So I think, no, look, honestly, I don't know about the whole cursing. Like, I get it,

in that you spend an exponential amount of time. I mean, it's only like the beginning of a relationship or like a teenage friendship where you're kind of like in each other's pockets on a gap year. It's that sort of intensity. So in adulthood, it happens so rarely that it's quite like oh what is this and also i think you're with the person who's kind of caring for you through very exposing vulnerable moments so i kind of thought about the physicality being the main issue but actually you know emotionally it's quite it's more of an emotional i really think so it's not just people just getting jiggy they're like crying and cuddling and shit it's not just because you're jiggy they're like crying and cuddling and shit it's not

just because you're pressed up against them in small amounts of clothes yeah but also you're really not for very long oh so you'd say it's more the bubble and the emotional support i think so like it's quite technical you know not the way i'm gonna do it angela he's going all in on the samba week one. I'm going to come out and do the robot for the samba and just go, that's the way I interpreted Calm Down, Anton. You and Les Denison. Do you think Lou would be worried about the curse, Rob?

Nah, I don't think so. I wouldn't be there long enough for training. It's very hard to have an affair in a 25-minute run through the steps. See you on Saturday. Wing it on the night. Yeah. I'll probably just do it on the night. See you on Saturday. Wing it on the night. Yeah. I'll probably just do it on the night.

It'll be fine. Don't worry about it. They'd hate me, the dancers. You'd be grand. I'm used to improv. Yeah. The spirit. And a five-year-old.

So my daughter's six, but she loved it last year when she was five. Yeah. So did your five-year-old daughter, did she watch? I mean, obsessed. And we hadn't really watched it before. She was heavily, heavily invested and brutal as a critic, like brutal. You'd come home,

I have to get a sucker punch from Craig on a Saturday night and then you've got this little shit telling you what you did or didn't do wrong. It was very humbling. But yeah, it was actually really lovely because you know,

most of the stuff she doesn't really see or it's not really of interest to her and then you're in these mad dresses and it was really sweet but she would often say we did the waltz which was like a few weeks back I said well what did you think of our waltz and technically guys I don't know whether you're into ballroom but it was actually quite a big deal your Viennese waltz, you got 28 for that. No, my Viennese waltz wasn't great. Oh, your normal waltz. You got 33. Thank you, babe. Look at you with the scoreboards.

You got nine from Anton and nine from Motzi as well. That's really superb. What happened with the Viennese version? Viennese is a lot of twirling. We maybe took it easy on that week after... Sevens across the board. Strudel at the end.

It wasn't a good moment for us. And also, I got a bit fucked with the dress, let's be honest. Not a great dress for a 12. No, but maybe for a little girl. And it had followed on from your Charleston. Your Charleston scored 35 in week three. Are you on Wikipedia, Joshua? Have you remembered all this?

No, no, I just remember it all really well. He's just a super nerd. Yeah, yeah. He just loves the stats. I thought Craig giving you eight for your Argentine tango was unfair. I agree. I agree. Now that I can say it.

The other three gave you ten for Craig to give you eight. I get his role, but come on, mate. You got all tens for that tango and then an eight. Triple tens in Blackpool. Yeah. So, yeah, it's a bit of a shock to go out, I suppose, because you've been hammering the tens and then all of a sudden. Yeah.

I mean, saying hammering the tens, we literally got tens one week. But, like, we'll take it. I'm a positive spin guy. I love that about you. And so she loved it then, your daughter, watching it all and stuff. She did love it. But I said, what do you think of her waltz? And she said, yeah, it was a fancy.

She's like, I don't really know how to relate to it you know and she would say i prefer glayton and nikita's oh that's a killer yeah but no they really enjoyed it and i'd come in from training and they would say the little one would say dance dance which was cute for me to get out my phone and show her whatever runs through we had recorded from the day so she could have a little look. Oh, that's nice. It was really sweet, actually, really sweet. It's very hard now when she says, Carlos?

See, Carlos? I'm like, no, babe, we're not. Oh, God. Did you, because obviously the Sunday's recorded on the Saturday afterwards, so you know the result. Spoiler alert. You know the result on the Sunday. Did you make your daughter watch it as live to see whether you'd gone through or no she came in on sunday

morning i was like mom who went home i did and she like her little head into my lap that is painful yeah and she now has just come off like this morning i was in bed and she came in and she rubbed my face and she went i'm sad you went home too oh my god it's too much also you know you're in a vulnerable state when you're getting held up by a five-year-old. She's your emotional support system, the five-year-old. It's okay, mum. Did you take her there? She did go to a couple of the rehearsals.

Yeah. Oh, yeah. And she loved it. And it's funny. We did a Paso on Halloween week to Black Swan, like, open the show. It was very dramatic. And they came with my husband, Roy, and the two girls. And Marnie was like, mum, mum, mum, mum, down in the audience. And I came with my husband, Roy, and the two girls. And Marnie was like, Mama, Mama!

Down in the audience. And I was like, hey, girl. And Carlos said, into character now, please. Because I was like this wild, dark, black swan. So very different roles in any given day. But you've got loads of time now to spend with your kids leading up to Christmas, now that you're not on Strictly. Are you excited about that?

Or is this stressful? No, you know what? It is what it is and it will be kind of lovely, I suppose, to do a bit of shopping and put up the Christmas tree. I'm going to lean heavily in. Christmas has started

now. I'm going all in. And will you watch on Saturday? Do you still have to go in? Oh no, I absolutely won't watch. I couldn't watch Sunday's show. I'm quite like when I'm done, I'm done all in. And will you watch on Saturday? Do you still have to go in? Oh, no, I absolutely won't watch. I couldn't watch Sunday's show. I'm quite like, when I'm done, I'm done. I need to disconnect. What if your daughter wants to watch? Well, she can do it on her own, Josh.

You watch that. I'll be in bed crying, okay? If you want to sit there watching them dance, sure, but I'll be in bed crying. Yeah, you go for it, but you're on your own. Can I ask one more Strictly question? Yeah, and then can we move on? This is like salt in the wound, Josh.

Jesus, no. Are the VTs as painful to record as they look on the show? Absolutely. No, it's always like there's literally someone there all the time and like here's the thing and it's actually amazing because in one way that was the biggest issue for me I do not like being seen in the process right I like to be like delving in there all the pain and all the messiness like away and then I come out like this you know and hopefully make it look easy and there was absolutely none that's you're literally being

watched not just by a teacher and like multiple bt people in and out but then you're being watched by the entire nation while struggling to get a hip rotation or whatever so it's humbling let's just say well well done i don't know how you do it it's such a it's a lot of commitment that yeah yeah it was good honestly and genuinely incredible experience and i'd heard people i was like this is always so cliched people talking about these things but it was yeah it was amazing i have no regrets no regrets well we've got a real feel for you i'd say in the first minute as to what you're like day to day how does that translate into parenting I would say I'm a relaxed parent

I'm kind of more the emotional support which I know in this moment is hard to believe. But I remember reading, have you read Philippa Perry's book? The book you wish your parents had and your kids could get into it. Anyway, I read that when I was pregnant, I think, or maybe when Roops was very small. And I remember thinking, like our generation, I don't know whether this is like a distinctly Irish thing,

but I suspect there are areas here where our age group would have felt the same thing, which was like, dry your eyes and deal with this. We're trying to get the dinner ready. So I was very committed to allowing all of the feelings to be felt. So we now have a very emotionally savvy, communicative five-year-old

who expresses herself any way she wants any time and any place she wants you sound like you're doing pr for a politician you like boris johnson's pr he's just a very emotionally connected guy when he feels something he just does it that's what people want just does it she's a heart in her sleeve kind of woman you know yeah she tells it straight she tells it straight exactly but then my second it's funny because she's an absolute thug it just really unexpected she's very angelic to look and has the most incredible eyes like really soft kind of ethereal looking little one but she is wild as the night sky and I don't know whether that's a second child thing i mean i'm a second child so i kind of relate on some level but oh she's an absolute what is it your partner called roy did

you say roy yeah and what's roy like is he sort of like because josh and rose is a bit more of the carmel one would you say josh i think that's unfair and organized no way more organized than me no way or she is white or not no no i'm the more organized one really what do you mean by that oh sorry i'm just looking at your background babe look at all the shit behind you yeah i know that's because i'm doing so much work to organize the house that i can't do my office oh so i thought you were the sort of the neurotic one and Rose was the calm, safe pair of hands, Josh. I don't think it's time to put labels on people, Rob. Life isn't about labels.

Not anymore, it's not. Would you say Roy's a bit more chilled, Angela? Is he more chilled? He's certainly more organised, I would say. We say I'm the creative director and he's logistics and security. Right.

So, like, I'll have the idea and he'll make sure it gets done, you know? OK. So come to me if you want, like, a bit of inspiration, but then you need to book it, you know what I mean? Lou's like the creative director and in charge of the warehouse. She somehow has an idea. And what do you do, Rob? What are you, Rob?

The four-ift truck driver? I can't keep up. I don't know what I am. I'm just like the temp that wanders around the boss and the boss hasn't really learned to delegate. And I'm like, well, I'll go in every day, but I don't get asked to do anything. Well, that's her problem.

As a boss, she needs to learn to delegate. Well, she said the other day, she went, there's a bit of space there. It'd be quite nice to have a nutcracker there. What? Like a Christmas nutcracker. How big is a nutcracker? Well, she wanted a massive one.

This one's only about four foot. I think she got duped. Four foot? That's big enough. She wanted like a big one. You know those big ones you have outside the house. But she found it cheap. Obviously, it's half the size.

They always do that on the internet. But she said to me, well, a nutcracker would look good there. This was 8 a.m. in the morning. I went, yeah, it would actually. Yeah, it's pretty good. Anyway, I went out, went to work. Come back at 11 p.m. There was one there.

I was like, how the fuck have you made that happen? She's a doer. I've got news for you, Rob. She'd ordered it two days before. No, no, no. She was absolutely playing you, Rob. She thought, fuck, I haven't mentioned that nutcracker that I bought on eBay in the auction when I was drunk.

I need to talk Rob into the nutcracker because it's arriving today. She's a machine for it. Well, she nailed it. You know, my first holiday with Roy, his name is Horgan and they're very Horganised. I mean, this is who I'm married to, right?

Oh, I like it. And so when we went on holidays, he had a laminated fried cheese. So sorry, has he got his own laminator? Has he taken it to Snappy Snaps? No, he had his own laminator back in the day. I love Roy.

Yeah, it gets better because he had a wallet-sized version just for ease. So the main one was in the suitcase and then the holiday one would come out. So we'd arrive in a hotel and he'd be able to see this hotel. Okay, we paid 50%. So actually we just owe you 50% for that. And here's the reference number.

Oh God, I always do that. Honestly, but I realize when I travel with him, I just go into it. Like it's like he's taken three kids on holidays and I'm quite actually, I mean, oddly functional when I'm on my own despite this morning episode. But usually I know I'm like, you don't need, I make it to the play.

I'm an actual, like, pretty professional woman. I turn up on time. I do the gig. I don't miss the flight. But when I'm with him, I just, like, need to be wheeled around. Yeah, that's the thing. What about with the kids' stuff?

Like, we've after-school clubs, drop-off times, pick-up times, play dates, birthdays. Who's taking the lead on all that then? I mean, it's a bit of a double whammy. Yeah, we kind of share quite equally. He doesn't really get involved in the parents' WhatsApp group, so I get a lot of it. But I think I am a good delegator, Rob.

So I will see something has to be done and then I will make sure the flyer is forwarded to the appropriate person. Sure. Yeah. And then, you know, i went to the school conference the other morning school conference groups have told me now that i'm in year one it's actually like a debrief year one to see what she's been up to there's no play like last time when she was in reception and just a baby yeah they get a bit annoyed by that didn't they yeah she's very

grown up so i think we probably share the load quite well, depending on... The mental load. Yeah, would you say it's a fair share of your mental load? See, this is the thing, because I think the mental load generally tends to fall to the, what do they call it? Emotional labour, right? Where you go, oh, Rosa had her birthday last week. We definitely didn't get her a present yet.

Has somebody signed the card for Rosa? Rubes, will you make a little card for Rose there before we chuck that jumper in a bag? And so I think those things, yeah, probably, definitely fall to me. Remembering birthdays and bits and pieces.

But yeah, he's, I would say he's better at, like, let's make sure we do the birthday or he's better at activities, like getting up and going to go ape. I love a cuddle on the sofa. If she ever says I'm bored

I say, you know what? Bet Ed Sheeran was really bored before he wrote that album. Not too much pressure then. No, I'm like boredom. All good stuff is born out of boredom. If there's no space for boredom, nothing good comes. So I say go occupy yourself with your boredom or sit with it

because I am not your full-time entertainer. I don't subscribe to that type of parenting. That's a really good way of doing it. Well, because I think they then don't know how to play, how to occupy themselves. So what about iPads? Do they have ipads devices so she has a show before bed every night which i mean who knows if that's good or bad but like it's a kind of wind down it's time for us to have a bit of dinner whatever we try we're more successful with her than we have been on number two but when we went out with her we never did the ipad ping really but i mean as a result i was upholding her jigging around then he'd eat his food we'd swap so

like it is quite full-on but we've tried to kind of slightly minimize that but it's hard isn't it so what does your daughter do when you go right well be bored or think something to do she loves a bit of crafting she makes cards and i mean the development in them hasn't been prodigious let's she's not going up the levels like ed sheeran with a guitar no no but she will go off and make a card that's the default if i'm like oh babe i really need five minutes i say why don't you make josh a card i think he'd really like a card and in she goes has she got a guitar in case she did want to write an album no which is she did have a ukulele so you hang on so you go Ed Sheeran was bored once then he wrote an album so go off but with no guitar yeah that's unfair but she can do push-ups or whatever but I just think it's important that she knows.

Because I think sometimes a lot of the pressure for us comes from filling the time. And when I grew up, like, I don't remember my mum ever taking me to an entertainment, like, situation. My mum did not take me to Go Ape. No, no. She'd take me to Sainsbury's and I'd just follow her around. And you were delighted

to sit in that bloody little bit in the trolley in the front of it and whack a few apples in your but like i do think yeah we kind of robbed them of being able to figure out what they're into if we schedule every day with playdates and noise and nonsense so i'm a kind of slightly less to more. Roy likes to schedule activities, but I think that's more his issue than theirs. That's his vibe. You're both Irish. You and Roy are both Irish, aren't you? Is that right?

Yeah. So you're growing up in North London, your kids. You're going to have two North London sort of English kids. How does that feel? And how often do you go back to Ireland? Are you going back for Christmas? What's their accent? Oh, it's a mixed all bag. Yeah yeah it's very funny because they'll have like girls

Rubes will say the girls she's now gotten a little bit posh since she's been in school but then most people hear her accent as being very Irish because she has our pronunciations she identifies as Irish she's, I am an Irish girl. Just because my accent is a little bit different doesn't mean I'm not Irish. Where was she born? Was she born here or Ireland? She was born here.

Yeah, she was born here. And Marnie was born at home, literally here. Was that planned? It was planned. Right. Yeah, home birth. I went full hippy-dippy second time round, but it was rushed.

I mean, first time round, I was in like proper active labor, but wild denial. I hadn't packed my hospital bag and I rang the midwife going, it feels like things have kicked up a notch. And she did whatever timing she did on the thing and then said, get in a taxi, babe. It was Saturday night. And I arrived into the hospital 45 minutes later and she did a sweep,

which you guys are missing out on. Joyous. What is a sweep? It's sort of they just, a nurse's fingers sort of just go in. Oh, I wish it was just the fingers, Rob. Oh, isn't it? It's the full shebang. For land?

Yeah. I mean, at least that's how it felt. I don't know. I didn't actually see straight away surely they go in do they build not much there's not much build up like you're feeding the hole straight in wide open wide open bang that's what it felt like but she she's like okay we're eight centimeters you'll know what that means 10 and it's like no time i was like okay so, we're eight centimetres. You'll know what that means. Ten and it's like O time.

I was like, okay, so what happens now? And she's like, well, you're going to have a baby. I was like, no, no, no, we've got brunch tomorrow. What are you talking about? So it came as a bit of a shock to the system. And I didn't love the hospital birth situation. Like, here's the truth of it. I was silent for the entire birth

because also as well like i've known you for a little while but and we've got an intense chat here i can't imagine you being silent just sitting down never mind giving birth so what caused that i mean honestly i think i was in in shock I felt really frightened. And I kind of just like, I don't know, it was quite childlike for me in a way in that I just kind of slightly shut down and felt just very out of control. And so the following, when I got pregnant with Marnie, I was like, okay, I really want to do things differently I want my birth experience to kind of heal the previous one in a way because I was like it just feels like that was not the empowered experience I hear people talk about and obviously you hear horror stories

as well and that happens but I really wanted to change it so I did a home birth and it was insane I mean like still sore at certain points and it was insane. I mean, like still sore at certain points, but it was amazing. Like lit the fire, had incense, had meditation music. I mean, I may as well

have been out in the garden. Yeah. I know. Roy had to empty the pool. Crystals? Any crystals? It doesn't sound very Roy. It doesn't sound very Roy.

It's not very Roy, but he leaned in a giant rose quartz in the bottom of the birthing pool. A massive crystal. He's laminated the sofa so there's no dirt on there. It was mad, but it was so much.

I was able to like trust myself. And look, I had read loads of books and it was like, our bodies know how to birth. If everyone can just get out of the way. And I do feel really passionately that this idea of birthing laying down only came in when some male friggin consultant decided that you got a better angle from that right so actually you're supposed to be up and about you're not supposed to be on your back because gravity doesn't really allow for a baby to drop if you're lying down

so anyway i was moving around i was on the toilet I was dancing I was mooing and I mean I like really went for it if I was trying to make up for being silent first time round I was like a wild animal and it was joyous

did the neighbours hear? I don't know if they heard we're in a detached house so I don't think they did but my daughter heard at whatever 3am and she came down

and I mean I was literally like I could feel the head and I was like no no I'm not ready. Put it back in, put it back in. She's like, that's not how it works.

Not Ruby, but the midwife said, babe, that ship has sailed. Then Ruby came in and I thought, oh God, okay. I felt myself getting a bit hysterical. And then she came in and weirdly I had this like moment of, okay, I do not want to freak her out. This could be quite a traumatizing thing and she just sat and like rubbed my face and i did one final push and out she popped oh wow i know i'm born at exactly the same time as ruby's born 329 which is bonkers crazy yeah really weird really weird did you have any pain relief for that then? No. First time around, I had gas and air.

Afterwards, when I was like, I was so quiet, I realised that in that moment where like the contraction comes and the noise should come naturally, I was like... Oh, yeah. So I was on the gas and air at the moment when I should have been probably expressing something. And so the second time around, I just I didn't have any of it. I had maybe a chug, like I definitely had gas and air there.

But I had a chug at the beginning. And then I was like, you know, I feel like I'm going to vomit. And I might just want to, as I say, I love a bit of pain. I kind of thought I want to feel all of the extremities. That's my vibe. I kind of thought I want to feel all of the extremities. That's my vibe. So I really wanted to know what it felt like, the full spectrum.

Are you going to go again? I'm done. You're done. Done and dusted. Yeah. Although I do sometimes think, oh, my God, but like Roy's having none of it. He's laminated it now, Rob.

He can't add a third child to his laminated list. It's done. It's done. No, I think three,'t add a third child to the laminated list. It's done. It's done. No, I think three, like I'm one of four girls. Jesus. It's a lot, but it's more when you live in London. Yeah. In this day and age.

I've got four brothers and I think it's actually put me off having more. It's just a lot to manage. You know what I mean? Yeah, it's a lot to manage. Yeah. But then, you know, when you're dying, you want a good old crew around you, don't you? That's where my head goes to. I don't know, I think I just want to be left on my own before I'm dying.

Last thing, I want someone coming round for a cup of tea. I love that. You're like, oh, listen, I've given you enough. Fuck off. What about Christmas? Do you go back to Ireland to see your sisters? Christmas, we go back and split our time between Roy's place and my home place. And look, I don't know.

It just feels so grown up. And I'm obviously in denial to do Christmas on your own. How old are you, Angela? I'm 40 years of age, Rob. I'm ashamed to say. I don't think you'd be ashamed to say that, but I think you're old enough to do it on your own. I think I am old enough.

But like in reality, I don't know. I like, you know, somebody cooking for me. You know? Would Roy want to stay and do the cooking or something and have people to you? No, no. His family go all out. It's lovely.

Also, when you're from Ireland, it's fun to go back. Then you can see everyone in one here. You do that for a few days and you come back and your house is nice and clean and tidy. I think if I lived abroad, you'd just want to come home for Christmas and then also you couldn't really Irish your kids up for a few weeks. You'd love to live abroad, wouldn't you, Rob? I'd love to live abroad.

If you're not living in Spain before you're 50, I will be very surprised. I want to do pure Bob Monk house. I want to be on a beach somewhere, come back, knock out some Wipeout, whatever it is you used to do, do three series of that and piss off again. Where would you live, Rob? Where would I live? That's the thing. At the moment, there's nowhere I really want to.

When I was younger, I wanted to live in New York or a city and stuff like that to do gigs and things. But now I want to travel around a lot more. I don't think that's the break you're looking for, going to do gigs in New York. No, but I don't know where I want to go, but I don't think I'm definitely not going to be living in England when I'm like 50.

I'll be somewhere else. Do you think? You'll need a visa now, though. Well, that's the problem, isn't it? You shouldn't have voted Brexit, Rob. I didn't vote Brexit. You shouldn't have voted Brexit. I feel sad for the kids.

They can't, when they get old just go and just bounce around Europe or yours are alright they've got Irish passports they're grand they've got an Irish passport yeah and rail travel thing I did right

it was like 250 quid unlimited train travel around Europe inter-railing oh did you do that I really wanted to do that I feel like it's so feral and then you could just

stay there for as long as you want and all that so yeah gorgeous did you meet Roy in Ireland? Yeah, we met in Ireland. Met in Ireland. True.

So like one of my best pals that I went to uni with and one of his best friends introduced us. Oh, lovely. Are you near each other in Ireland, the family? No, he's from Cork. And I'm from Meath, which is just outside Dublin. So he's like way down south and I'm more of a, I mean, I say I'm a city girl.

I'm absolutely not. I'm a country bumpkin. So you could tell us that, but if you're anyone from Dublin, they're like, no way. They're like, come on, babe. No, absolutely not. But yeah, so like, yeah, it's funny

because Roshi and Connolly, we talk about her parents were Irish and that kind of idea of being brought up in another country. But like, I remember speaking to Dermot O'Leary and he was like, I'm as Irish as you. And I was like, babe, call the other one. Oh yeah, he loves being Irish.

But also I have loads of cousins over here who's both parents are Irish. And I'm like, our Cockney cousins, like they don't get it. And now I think, of course, my kids are as Irish as I am. And obviously they've got a very different experience, but it's really like it's quite a weird thing because I genuinely thought, oh, yeah, before she goes to school, I'd say we'll be home. my mum saying, you know, you don't just like home isn't really just a location that you choose to be in. It kind of like happens and suddenly you're in a network

and in a community and then that feels like home more than actual home does. Well, yeah, because you're going to have to I know they're Irish, your kids, but they are going to be two little North London Cockney kids. They're going to sound like you or a version of exactly. They're going to sound like Roisin. They're going to sound like Roisin. And so there is. They're going to sound like Roisin. They're going to sound like Roisin.

And so there is like softness to the vowels they say. And also I think because maybe if you're second generation Irish, you feel like you really want to hold on to that kind of or identify with this. Well, it's a culture of it, isn't it? You know, I was brought up in a very working class family. My parents couldn't be more working class. However, my life's completely changed where, you know, on paper, not really living a working class family my parents couldn't be more working class however my life's completely changed where you know on paper not really living a working class lifestyle however

that's how you sort of identify as you're moving to spain in next year rob wait till you get to benidorm rob that's the ultimate working class lifestyle you'll be there full circle moment exactly oh it's quality having a pint with your breakfast. Because you've not lost your accent at all. Because especially you married someone Irish, you sort of can almost lose it or double down where you find yourself being more Irish around them. I mean, I think so.

And it's weird because my dad's one of 14 and most of his siblings moved to the UK. And so they now... I know, I know. That's too many. I've got to say it. It so they... Fourteen. Now, I know, I know. That's too many. I've got to say it. It's a couple too many. And his mother, who died at 93,

I remember her saying to my sister, who was pregnant at the time, was like, three is enough. But 14, that is hardcore. Yeah. So let's just say emotional containment was not high on her list of priorities. Make you feel your feelings.

Get out that fucking door. So I think, yeah, it was just a different life. She was pregnant, I suppose, for 25 years, maybe. Yeah. Fucking hell. Sorry, that's actually, now that I say it out loud, I'm like, is that correct? Yeah, it is.

Were any of them twins or triplets or was it 14 separate? There were 15. There was one set of twins, one who died. So there were 14 single pregnancies. Fucking Nora. I know. I know. And like her husband away working here.

So just another life. And I do think sometimes I'm not that far removed. That's only one generation away. Imagine doing breakfast with just everything. Imagine the school room. That porridge, mate. The porridge getting gobbled in that house. Oh, my God.

Yeah, you'd have to do stews, wouldn't you? Stuff that's one pot. One huge fucking pot, like you're in a prison. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Big time. Big time. But also, it's interesting, because I suppose with a family that large, by the time the babies

came along, the older ones were gone. It was like a few different families. They left early. Self-policing in a way as well, I suppose. Some of the older ones would look after some of the younger ones. But imagine the fucking clothes, trying to work out

whose is whose. Oh my god. And no tumble dryer, not a tumble dryer in sight oh yeah just stick it out in the sun in ireland in february get it all dried breezy yeah fresh we normally obviously well everyone we speak to is famous in some way but if you've got 14 kids we will make an exception just to interview you about the logistics of your life do write in yeah if anyone's listening that's got 14 kids. Oh, I was like, she's dead, Josh. I just said that.

No, no, no. Yeah, no, in general. Yeah, in general. Generally. Otherwise, I would definitely hook you up. Does your dad say, like, that was kind of set them apart and that was odd or did it feel totally normal to him? Like, I guess you're, whatever situation you're born into is,

you're normal, right? And look, it probably would have been, like I'd say they'd have been a sizeable enough family in the locality, but they weren't the only ones. Like I'd say there was 10 plus in a good few families. Yeah. So at school it weren't like you was the only one with like that many aunties and uncles.

Exactly that. You're basically the school. You're basically the entire school. Yeah. And like there's got to be, I imagine you feel quite held and galvanized heading up the road with 14 of you in a row. Like no one's going to mess with you. Angela, growing up though, when you're Angela's 16, 17, going to pubs and discos and meeting young men, are you worried?

Am I worried about what? That there may be a cousin lurking. There's a big odds that you've copped off with your cousin at 18 somewhere in the Dublin area. Oh my God, stop it. No, because actually

most of my aunties and uncles came to the UK. So a lot of the cousins are over here. That helps. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Now, Angela, we'll let you crack on.

We've got one last question we always ask our guests. What's the one thing that your partner Roy does that is... Can I just say, I'll stop you there, Roy, because I've done it as well.

We've never used the name of a partner more in a podcast. I think we love the name Roy. We love saying Roy. I like saying the name Roy and organized. Yeah. I reckon we've said Roy 20 times love saying Roy. I like saying the name Roy and organized. Yeah.

I reckon we've said Roy 20 times in this podcast. Normally we've forgotten the name of the partner the moment it's come out of the person's mouth. Well, it's funny because when I first met him, I was like, is Roy your real name? Like honestly. And he said, yeah, it is my real name. And I was like, the only other Roy I know

is Roy Proper from Coronation Street. And he was like the only other roy i know is roy proper from coronation street he was like yeah well roy keen roy keen roy keen of course but he was named william officially after his grandfather and then his mother fancied a doctor called roy and thought oh maybe i'll turn out to be a doctor yeah so what's one thing the old hogatron does that you uh just like oh my god i'm so happy and lucky to have children with Roy. And then what's the one thing Roy does that you just think, if you listen back with parent in, it does you nothing, and you wish she'd stopped.

And if he listens, you'd go, fair enough, she's got a point. I mean, honestly, he is. When I hear other people go on there, it's useless. The men are useless. I think, oh, I don't know, I think I might be the man in this relationship. He is an unbelievable dad, unbelievably hands-on, has an insane capacity. This madness of when they were newborns,

they'd be like, oh Jesus, they'd wake in the middle of the night and I think this is never going to end. And he would say, oh my God, it's so lovely to get up in the middle of the night and have those cuddles and it's not going to last forever. And I'd be like, are you just saying this to try and buoy me up? It's not working. But like he has an insane capacity to hold them and me. And that's kind of amazing. And you only realize that when you really, really need it. But it is it is something else.

And then, I mean, I guess it's the annoying like in an airport. He freaks us all out. It is absolutely intense and emotional. And I mean, it's highly irritating, but it's very stressful traveling with him. Even though he has the bloody laminated thinking,

we're all running to the gate two hours before, you know, Russian to stand still. Everyone feels it in the car on the way. It's like,

it's quite intense. Airport dad. Airport dad. It's an absolute nightmare and it's so cliche that I'm like, babe, give it a rest. We're going to get there. anyway, but this is not cute.

You need to lay off. So a bit too airport daddy. Yeah, airport dad needs to, yeah, lie down. Adja, it's been absolutely amazing to have you on. Thanks so much, guys. Cheers, mate. See you later. Angela Scanlon.

Look at that, I'm it straight off the record there Rob look at you you're an absolute pro I've met Angela a few times and she's like that like busy and full of energy

but I think there's an extra level of the Strictly buzz off the back of that where she's must be mental have dedicated months and then

makes me even less want to do Strictly I mean I would do it and do no training and everyone would hate me and I think it'd be really bad for my career. The bit where you said to your dancer,

I've worked out that in my career, the things I do best at are the things I just try and like, put least effort. Yeah. I'd love to see Johannes' face when you tell him that. I'd enjoy it more if I didn't know what I was doing. Just like, yeah, yeah, yeah, like that. And then be voted off almost straight away.

I wonder if you'd get zeros. I wonder how low your score would be if you just riffed it. Well, I'll tell you next year. Yeah, I'll see you. Right, I'll see you next week, Josh. Bye. Hello, I'm Giles Brandreth. And I'm excited to tell you about my brand-new podcast, Rosebud.

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