Rob Beckett and Josh Widdicombe's Parenting Hell - S8 EP12: Sara Barron

Episode Date: February 16, 2024

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Hello I'm Rob Beckett and I'm Josh Willicombe. Welcome to Parents in Hell the show in which Josh and I discuss what it's really like to be a parent which I would say can be a little tricky. So to make ourselves and hopefully you feel better about the trials and tribulations of modern day parenting each week we'll be chatting to a famous parent about how they're coping or hopefully how they're not coping and we'll also be hearing from you the listener with your tips advice and of course tales of parenting woe because let's be honest there are plenty of times where none of us know what we're doing hello you're listening to parenting hell with sonny say rob beckett son. Sonny say Joshua to come and I've

made it to spawn. Oh my word, that voice at the end was weird, wasn't it? Spawn. Is that North East?

All Reet, lads. Oh, gotta be, innit? Yeah. These are my girls, Rudy5,

asking Sonny2 to say your names. I'm a postie, so I get a chance to listen to your podcast when I'm missioning about. That's it,

really. Peace. Fair enough. It's got to be Neil Feast, isn't it? Are you allowed to listen to podcasts when you're postmaning? The rate mine's going, he's allowed to not deliver posts as well.

To be fair, he's a good little postman. I just thought that'd be a funny joke. That's the problem, isn't it? When you do this for a job, you say that as a little joke, but then next week you'll go, what did you say about me? I'm like, oh, man, I'm just trying to get something away. Yeah, come on. I'm just trying to be funny for 10 minutes.

I was trying to get something funny out of Screwfix, and now look where we are. Right, Josh, there's a couple of things I wanted to run past you from when we spoke on Tuesday. Right, so we are dads. This is a parenting podcast. Yeah, is that the first one? Yeah, just confirming that. I'm doing the right one, aren't I?

Right. Barbecues. Now, I want to talk to you about barbecuing. It's almost like a cliche that dads get into barbecuing and cooking meat and smoking and all that. In early February? No, no, not now, but for the summer. But it's spring. you've got to start thinking about,

well, that's what I was saying, have you got a barbecue? Do you really want one? Because I feel like I want a barbecue and I want to be a barbecuer, but I don't know if I really do. And it's like, is it that when you get old that you like it, or do I just do it because that's what's expected of me? Has David Beckham cooked that mushroom on? He might have been that, actually.

The way Beckham cooked that mushroom in his document but it's like everyone my age does it yeah and i feel like i should be doing i don't even know if i want to be doing it or i could be bothered well i think they do it as an escape don't they it's like i'll go out there for two hours yeah and get the barbecue ready that's what i feel like i'm doing it for it's difficult because i'm veggie obviously so it doesn't appeal as much yeah but who are you envisaging coming around no one really it's more for me so you can get ones that now that aren't like i've got to go and get the charcoal going for two hours and like because that's the thing i want a charcoal one because it tastes nicer in gas, but... Right, yeah.

What are you suggesting, a gas one? Well, I'm suggesting that if it's just for you, it feels mental for you to be getting the charcoal going, making yourself one burger and then being done. Lou would probably eat it, but the girls wouldn't really. They'd rather me just put some sausages in the oven. Exactly, that's the problem. So what am I doing it for?

Yeah. Because I think that'd be nice, wouldn't it? In the summer, cooking all that up. I think if you're going to have a barbecue, Rob, you're going to have people around you that you don't want around. Yeah, and then I'm cooking all day, aren't I? But then I can't just start doing like a brisket for me. But then you're cooking because you don't want to be talking to them.

The person who's doing the barbecue is the least sociable person. You're basically styling being an introvert be talking to them the person who's doing the barbecue is the least sociable person you're basically yes styling being an introvert as being the life and soul of the party if you're on the barbecue yes at the party of course i was mate i was the blood doing the bloody barbecue but actually you're going yeah leave me in the fucking corner with these burgers and i'll tell you which of edge you're which are not when you walk over and that's the only conversation i want to have all day yeah anyway i'll have a think about it i don't know what i'm doing but i just wanted your opinion on it i think you should do it it just feels like almost too on brand for

me to get into it doesn't it yeah it's a bit like oh there it is i love the pizza oven though i use that yeah getting into it's weird because i think people who get into it must have more time than me when are they getting into it? So I think it's because most people work nine to five, so they know that they've got all day Sunday. Right, yeah, yeah. So if they go and grab it after work or on a Saturday, they know on Sunday they might take their kids to a bit of something in the morning.

Yeah. Then all afternoon you can cook while the football's on. But you're a Radio 2. Yeah, exactly. So I'm a Radio 2, so I'm going to miss most of that. And then it's Saturdays, but then I'm normally work Saturday,urday so i'm gonna be cooking a brisket on my own on a tuesday i don't even really want what i don't want to do is be recording this in summer and hear you sizzling away what's that sorry one second i'm a bit late i'm just putting the charcoal on for a slow cook and then cleaning it as well we need a small piece of shit for somebody cleans barbecues

because there's just there's so much mess associated with it and then there's a huge bowl of fucking salad that you're gonna throw away you put it in the fridge and then the next morning like why did i put that back in the fridge? Look at it. It's got dressing on. Cold slosh straight in the bin. No one wanted the cold slosh again. You make a solid point. But I think that's why people get into it is when they've got all weekend. Yeah.

We work weekends, don't we? Look at David Beckham. What the fuck's he doing really? He sort of floats around like playing dress up, doesn't he? Like fancy dress his life. His little Miami suit when he's into Miami. Then he looks like Sherlock Holmes walking a dog

and cooking a mushroom an absolute serial killer if he weren't David Beckham and I went what have you been up to I sort of dress like Sherlock Holmes go to a tent at the bottom of my garden

and cook one mushroom why I don't know I think I've got too much money I don't know what I don't know what to do so I just panic bought a mushroom anyway I just thought I'd peak a brain about that oh. I don't know what to do. So I just panic bought a mushroom.

Anyway, I just thought I'd peek a brain about that. Oh, did I tell you about what Lou did? I put it on my Instagram. I don't know if you saw that. She woke me up at like seven in the morning. This was the first half term. She woke me up at like seven in the morning and went, oh, we need to get some fabric condition.

I need to put a load of wash on today. So I'm going to go grab some quick from the shop. The shop's five minutes away from our house. She drove in the car and on autopilot did the school run. Drove to the school, just 20 minutes away. Without the kids? No kids in the car. They're in their beds on iPads. Basically, she got to school and was like, I've gone the wrong way.

What am I doing? Because the shop was five minutes away. Then she carried her on going away from our house to a shop she remembered going to when we lived at our old house. Oh my God. She was gone for an hour and a half. Rob, Lou's having an affair, by the way. She's the way. She was exhausted when she got back. Rob, what can I do?

I like your Instagram posts. Yeah. I watch them by clicking through to you. But Instagram has decided you are not one of my chosen people. Not on the top. However much I do this. You never come up. So you'll say, have have seen this on Instagram.

Yours always comes up. Yeah. What are your top three ones? If you go to your Instagram now, what ones are you getting? I'm not going to tell you, Rob. Because two of them are comedians that I think are really shit,

so I watch all of their stories. Oh, that's the problem, isn't it? That's the problem. That's a huge problem. But then if you just refresh it, it always changes it anyway, doesn't it? Does it? it yeah if you refresh it it just brings up a different ones right do you want to do some um correspondence should we do one bit of correspondence well let's just do one little bit because we get lost thanks so much for sending it in we talk so much shit

though we forget to do it don't we i'll just do the top one okay Did Rob see the news that a famous TikTok celeb, Luke and Sassy Scott, called one of their new baby Beckett? Sorry. Did Rob see the... That's not too corresponding. Sarah Barron. Do you know what's weird? I find reading out loud so hard. It's weird.

Did Rob see the news that a famous TikTok celeb, Luke and Sassy Scott... Do you know these? I don't know these. No, I don't know these. Called one of their new baby twins, Bobby Beckett. No. Bobby, B-O-B-B-I, Beckett.

Must be super fans of the show from Anna. They must sound like they're American. Wow. Bobby Beckett. Luke and Sassy Scott. So is Beckett the middle name? No, it's a hyphen. So it's like Anne-Marie Beckett.

It's Bobby Beckett and then whatever the... Sassy Scott. Luke and Sassy Scott. Melbourne brothers. Luke and Sassy Scott. Right, so they're a gay couple that have had twins and they're from Melbourne. Wait, are they brothers?

They can't be brothers. Look, I'm a very liberal man, but I cannot... I cannot say I'm okay with two brothers being in a relationship and having children. You've got to draw the line. You must draw the line somewhere. We've interviewed gay men that have had children through all different means, and I'm fully for it.

No problem with it whatsoever. However, means, and I'm fully for it. No problem with it whatsoever. However, two brothers, I can't abide it. No, they can't be brothers, can they? Are they just brothers that have had kids together? Why does it say they're brothers? Why does it say they're brothers? Well, I'm 500 years old.

Also, I'm like, part of me is trying to backtrack and go, yeah, it's probably okay, actually, for two brothers. It can't be. No, it can be if they're just bringing up two kids together. They're not in a couple. Right. Luke 32 and Scott 37 are part of a tight-knit family going about everyday lives. Luke is a radiographer at the Melbourne Hospital

and Scott is a general manager at the Port Melbourne venue, the Timber Yard. It says Melbourne Brothers on their Instagram. So they're brothers, they're not a couple. We can't do correspondence ever again. They are brothers, their Instagram. So the brothers, they're not a couple. We can't do correspondence ever again. They are brothers, I think. They can't have kids. I don't understand anything.

Luke and Ceci can't have brothers. Do they have children? Are they still together? What's that mean? Are they still together? This is incest. What's that mean? They still work together.

This is incest. Now, I think, right, so I think they are brothers that do funny videos together. Sassy Scott has been trying to... Right, thank the fucking Lord I've worked this out. Right. Luke and Sassy Scott are brothers that do funny videos. Right. Sassy Scott has been trying to have children with his partner, Marcus.

Thank God. funny videos. Right. Sassy Scott has been trying to have children with his partner Marcus, thank God! So Sassy Scott has got twins with his partner Marcus and one's called Bobby Beckett. His brother who he works with, he's not in a relationship. Well, that's the end of the correspondence. Welcome, yeah. Welcome, yeah.

Welcome, Sarah Barron. At one point, I was just going to say it's okay to have fuck your brother. But it's not, is it? It's their own. I don't know anymore.

Who am I to judge? I'll be on GB News trying to defend it. I just don't think it's okay to fuck your brother. I've been dropped by Sky. I've been cancelled. What did you say? I just don't think it's okay to fuck your brother.

Anyway, here's Sarah Barron. It's hard, isn't it, 2024? So, welcome to the podcast, Sarah. We've all met all met before actually on Josh's show hypothetical yes is that the show we yeah we all did together I mean I feel like you know there's like you want openness but then sometimes someone can take it to a too open level and it gets instantly cringeworthy yeah but I felt that my and I've said this I've certainly said this to James A Castor I don't know if I've said this to either of you. That was one of my waking nightmare professional moments

was my experience on Hypothetical. And so I feel so grateful to be here and traumatized to see both of your faces together again. Oh no! It was like the kind of thing that you'd have a nightmare about where you're on a panel show and you're like, what am I supposed to say?

What am I supposed to say? Like my buzzcocks. Like my buzzcocks. That your buzzcocks, Josh? That was my buzzcocks. Well, no, I'm not saying it was for you. Not from the outside. I texted Alex Horne who hosted my buzzcocks disaster

about six months ago about it. And he had no memory of it. It's only in your own head, mate. Yes. I'm shocked to hear that you didn't enjoy that. And you didn't. I just felt, oh, he's really funny. about six months ago about it and he had no memory of it it's only in your own head mate yes i'm shocked to hear that you didn't enjoy that and you didn't i just felt oh he's really funny and just joined in and it was fine and here you are now well here i am now i think is the thing and for me this is going to be and i'll just lean into the american-ness here this is going to be what we call an emotionally corrective experience brilliant Brilliant. This is good. Yeah, so that I can start to feel excited by your faces together

instead of like hearkening back to that 2019 crash and burn failure. It wasn't. I mean, everyone's got one of those. Everyone's got one. Mine was what I lied to you. I had a nightmare on that. But it probably was fine, but I felt like it was awful. So why did you feel like that was awful, Sarah? What was going on? I mean, I don't know how inside baseball this will or won't get. So first of all, it was

the two of you, Obbs, James, and Jonathan Ross and Maisie Adam. Yes. Good lineup, that, isn't it? Fucking hell. Great lineup. Good lineup. Don't get that on Dave anymore. No. Like, this is never the best way to start is by talking about what a piece of shit you are, unless maybe it's somehow charming. But I can remember being backstage and watching Maisie, who has come up and up and up since then, and watching her chat, like do this sort of backstage Jonathan Ross chat.

Yeah. And thinking like, you know, they say what they always say before you do these things. It's like, it's like you're at a dinner party. Just have a good time. Then you're sat there as the newbie being like, that's Jonathan fucking Ross. Yeah. Okay. But just like, just be cool.

Just be cool. And I'm much older. Like I started stand up late. So I'm older than everyone and everyone's younger. And I thought like my outfit was bad. I thought like I looked like a middle-aged lady trying to look like 25. And there was Maisie and she was in like a perfect shirt

and her awesome combat boots with her good hair. She was honestly talking to Jonathan Ross like she was just at a dinner party. Like it was so effortless. From then I was like, I'm on a downhill slope already. And then I just got on and I don't, if I'm not mistaken, Josh, part of the way that you guys devised that show

was you wanted to give your colleagues a way of being on TV without having to do any prep work. Just show up and we'll do this thing. And it's a great format. And so everyone was like, this is the great thing about hypothetical. It's them, They're fun. They're not there to like edge you out.

They don't want you to have to prep. And I'm like, please let me have some prep. Like, please give me some work because I freeze. And this is gross and it's status obsessed, but that's part of my vibe. Like I do not do well when I'm afraid of people. And it's not that I was afraid of you guys, but I was like, this is what they do. It's what they do. And it's not what I do.

And I just sat there. I don't remember this at all, really. Like, my face was turning hot red. It's what Maisie is born for. Jonathan Ross is a king. Rob Beckett's going going going we weren't mean to you though were we Sarah no no no no first of all if you were mean to me I then no but it was like um and I don't want to it's not going to be interesting for your

listeners to sit and have me just like compliment you guys because I'm honest this is the best start we've ever had to an interview there was some I know. There was some other point, Rob, where I saw you and I like was just instantly like, oh, just like nausea because I associated it with this like sinking. And I will just say this and then we can close this down. But there was some point when I went out to dinner with James Acaster.

Like he'd come to a show that I did and then we went to get a bite afterwards. I was like, this is really nice because that was so humiliating. And he was like, here's what went wrong for you. And I was like, thank you. I felt like he was willing to acknowledge what had happened.

I'm not acknowledging it. I barely remember it. Let alone Acaster giving you his points of view on where you went wrong. Who the fuck's he? I'm going to tell you where you went wrong. Fuck off, mate. Unless you're buying dinner, keep your mouth shut. That's what I'll tell you to do. He was from a place of kindness. Yeah, no, he's a good bloke. He hasn't bought dinner since Off Men who started

in 2019. Free desserts all round. So what did he say then? Well, I've got no memory of that and apologies when you look at me, you feel nauseous. I reckon you'll get along with Lou. So did you consider not doing this? No, please. Comeous. I reckon you'll get along with Lou. So did you consider not doing this? No, please.

Come on. I was like, can someone help me get on parenting, Al? Please. No, no, no, no, no. We've met. You guys are nice. I had a crash and burn. That's all.

But we're going to try so hard to not crash and burn this time. You might have felt like that. When we're off air, I'll give you a list of people that have crashed and burned far worse than you did on Hypothetical. But I don't think that's for now. Even on this episode, what we've only been recording for about five minutes, I'd say it's been more entertaining and funnier than some guest's whole hour. You guys, you're so sweet.

How many kids you got, Sarah? Let's get on to that. I have one son who is approaching his eighth birthday. Right. How is he? How is he? He is medium at the moment. In what regard medium? You know, they're really getting into that point when they're getting towards seven, eight.

We're like, those personalities are really starting to come out yeah and he is an eccentric he's like a little professor he's very into um and he goes to a state school but it's a uniform free state school with which british people have a real response to but as an american i didn't grow up with uniforms so it's all very sort of comfortable for me. But you don't have a uniform in America. No and I have really mixed feelings that well actually I say I have mixed feelings I don't I think like my friends whose kids go to regular state schools where they're in a uniform are like oh oh look at this little like uh middle class setup where everyone's just in their regular clothes. And I'm like, you know,

I think there's real positives to no uniforms and real positives to uniforms. Fine. Yeah. Normally, if you're from like a bit of a poor area, it's like really highlights if you're different. Do you know what I mean? If you've not got the newest trainers

or the best brands and stuff like that. And then that takes a layer of awkwardness away. Because in America, I don't know if it's like that because it's optional. You can wear what you want. Obviously, it's compulsory to takeness away. Because in America, I don't know if it's like that because it's optional. You can wear what you want. Obviously, it's compulsory to take a gun to school. Obviously, I mean, right, right. With the clothes, you can wear what you want.

Here's the thing, right? So I think theoretically the uniform is great for the exact reasons that you're describing. Yeah. Again, and I've lived here for 11 years. I've chosen to make my home here. We have no intention of moving back. Why would I?

But I say it's like the second Trump presidency looms. But a thing I do find interesting is that like despite that sort of real effort to eliminate a sense of difference through clothing, it is still true that the class difference stuff is so much more prevalent here than it is in the States, you know?

Yeah. But, you know, I suppose if it's an imperfect solution, it's still one to have. But it's still with uniforms. Like those kids at my school didn't have much money. None of us really did. It wasn't sort of a very sort of rich area. But like there were kids that had blazers on that were eight sizes too big because that was going to see them through to year 10. Yeah.

So they'd have like sleeves rolled up or in year 10 10 they'll have shorts that are off their shin because they were too small they were hand-me-downs and stuff like so it's still you can still see there was a kid at my school who had tippex on the penis bit of his trousers and it looked like semen and it was there every day because he only had one pair of trousers j, I have no idea what semen you've seen, but I bet I've seen more than you. And I don't think I've ever seen any semen that looks like Tippex. Oh, if you're at school

and someone's got a white mark around their crotch, that's spunk, mate. You just got to go spunk on that one. You got to go spunk. It's like crispy and very clearly so white. No, we're not saying it actually is semen, but if you're 13 and you've got a white mark around your penis area.

Yeah, you just got to go for spunk. It's an open goal. Okay, fine. I support that. Yeah, yeah. Well, the natural arc of conversation for me is always from spunk into my son. And that's just the natural course that we should go.

He loves suits. This is what I wanted to tell you about him. He only feels like himself if he wears little suits. With a tie? Not always, but he will sometimes wear a tie. Like if it's a special occasion, he likes to put a bow tie on. Incredible. And he likes to wear a top hat.

Is your son Tom Allen? Yeah. I kind of think he is Tom Allen. And funnily, he met Tom Allen when he. I kind of think he is Tom Allen. Yeah. And funnily, he met Tom Allen when he was a little baby and I feel like some bit of the essence,

I should be so lucky, Yeah. found its way into my little professor of a seven and a half year old. Wow. So how does it get into suits?

Like, what's the kind of, sort of legs in first and jacket on, isn't it? Well, you got a jacket first. That's such an interesting question.

How did he? Because I was looking through like old photos of him. And when he was five, we were on some like family holiday when it was warm. And I was like, oh, right. He was still wearing like shorts and a T-shirt. Whereas now it would be like, mom, any chance of a linen suit? Like, really? So in summer, he'd still wear it.

Would he wear those smart shorts that Tom Allen wears? He would like to. That would be because I'm not going to spend that much money on him. My husband really likes spending money on him, and I hate spending money on him. If we spend that money on me, I will really enjoy it. But if we get him like a 10 pound pair of shorts or a 30 pound pair of shorts, he doesn't know the difference. Whereas I sort of do. And I resent like any, if any of his stuff were to possibly require even so much as like

a cold water wash, that would annoy me. Yeah. Also as well, designer stuff. You see people buying their kids, like you normally i sort of half judge but they'll buy their kid like a canada goose coat that's like 600 pounds yeah that will not fit them in a year and i don't care how much money i'd ever earn there is nowhere on earth i'll get in my kid a designer coat they're going to grow out of within a year it's insane also your income can be what your income is but it doesn't have to visually present in a certain way.

Right. So it's like I just don't like when anything says too much about you and any of those labels, especially on a child. It's like, yeah, it's just like throwing the money away. But that is the most noteworthy thing about him, I would say, at this stage. And does his personality fit the suit? So when he's wearing his suit, in his mind, is he a kind of English gentleman of a bygone era or city trader? Great question, Josh. And I think he is. But now, obviously, do you find like just that all the parents you talk to, like as the parent, you're simultaneously the one who knows the most. And then also you are straight up the person who knows the least about any possible answer

you have surrounding your own child. Because there's all the shit that we just want to believe to be true. So on the one hand, I would really like it if my son grew up to be like successful and make money. I mean, we can say we want him to be happy, but like, come on. But truthfully, as honest as I think I can be, I'm not getting a city trader

vibe from him. It's much more. I am from the Victorian period. Like it really is more Tom Allen kind of any he likes to feel fancy. I think he's maybe even said that sentence to me. Like, because I can feel really guilty sometimes because like he likes sometimes to wear a top hat. And that pushes it for me in terms of how much eccentricity I can manage. There's a lot of attention out in the shop. So Lou doesn't like people looking or attention. So if she goes out with kids in top hats, she'd like oh god people are looking now that's exactly the whole thing

and like i like attention like if i got the attention but like i don't want anyone else in my family getting it and it can be so it just it says so much and it's like you get a lot of looks. And he's got this huge head of curls. So it's this huge head of curls. And he's very into like period dressing, not period like Victorian era, but like before we started recording, we were talking about Josh's affection for the Beatles, which my husband has. He's passed that on to my son. So he will often be like, is this like a 1967 look and i'm like i know it's cute but this is what i'm saying 1967 is kind of cute but top of the morning to you top hat is like getting a little too much information and we want our children to express themselves

yeah but you're like but not at fucking my expense here buddy not past there's a difference between wearing like slightly off-center clothes like you know a 60s suit or whatever but if he's wandering around actually playing a character all the time it's sort of like where's the line between engaging with society and his classmates and everyone and then also just performing at people essentially It's sort of a bit of a weird gray area, isn't it? Yes. And I think, you know, it's mostly the top hat doesn't come out. But we went to the London Bridge experience. Like we were like trying to find a nice thing to do because it's half term.

And we're not going away. And so we felt like, let's do a nice thing. Like he wanted the top hat as part of the... But otherwise, it's mostly not a top hat day. And I breathe a sigh of relief, which I feel shitty about. What about his friends? Is he? Josh, why don't you just say, does your son have friends?

Like, why don't you just ask it the way you want to ask it, buddy? Yes, he does. And what is really lovely is he's friends with the other, like. But what I mean is, are they just wearing T-shirt and trousers and do they go, there's that guy in the top hat? Or does it like come up? So let me be real clear about the top hat. The top hat appears twice a month.

I'm giving it to you as an anecdote because I want to entertain the masses. But it's not. No, no, no. It's not the fixture. So he has this little group of friends. They're all the other nerds. Yeah, yeah. Which we're really comfortable with as a family

because that's very much the identity that my husband and I grew up with. Yeah. But to your question, no. One of them is like a great dresser. You know, he's just in like bright colors. The other couple are like very, very normal dressing. But all of them are like the nerdy

boys who aren't into football yeah yeah because what eight-year-old boys into football it's like a cult it's the full kit football at the weekends football in the weeks and it's like it obsesses them like i was one of those kids growing up and you see them at the school gates they're just and if you're not into football it's impenetrarable for a boy, you know, like to get into that world. Well, it's interesting. My father is like a guy who maybe would watch a US Super Bowl, maybe, but otherwise a sporting event was never on in our house. I have wound up married to someone who I would say feels antagonized by sport. Like my dad just didn't care. My husband feels it's like a personal attack on him. Whereas I kind of feel like I'm not into it. And I really feel sad that I'm not into it because what I have gleaned from most of the world who loves sport is it gives you shape.

That's what you want in your life. You some shape you want things to look forward to you want like yeah marks in the calendar and you don't have that when you're not into sport so i do kind of wish my son was into it but like then he'll say like why am i not into football and i'm like because dad and i don't care about it but i don't think it's bad. I just don't care. My dad didn't like football at all. It's probably the same way as your dad. He didn't get angry by it, but just wouldn't watch it at all.

He was never in the house. My mum never really liked football, but us boys just got into football. We're obsessed by football. And then my mum used to watch Soccer AM when we weren't even living there anymore because it reminded her of when all the boys were at home. That's what you put on on a Saturday.

So it was like, yeah, my dad was never into it, but we all properly got into football. But Southeast London is obsessed with football. I don't know, are you guys in London? Yes, we're in Northeast. That's an interesting thing as well. It's like the way that the community raises you alongside your parents, you know?

Yeah, yeah. Well, exactly. So if you're surrounded by it at school, you know? Yeah. Well, exactly. So if you're surrounded by it at school, that's all we did was play football. It was just like, and even in PE, they stopped doing rugby and cricket because everyone would just start kicking it. So you have no interest in those other sports.

It was just football for you. Just football and boxing. Those two are my main ones. But then I watch a bit of basketball and I'll watch like the Olympics and stuff like that. But yeah, cricket and rugby, nothing really. They were seen as posh sports. That ain't for us.

Uh-huh. That's for someone else. We have football and boxing and maybe the Olympics when it's on. But that's it. I've always felt like, if I may, a controversial opinion, but I'm saying this to you so that you can explain to me what I'm getting wrong. Go for it. I feel like people who like boxing, and I understand there's an art to it or whatever i feel like because to me it just reads is watching people violently hurt each other yeah if you are able

to actively watch boxing you are the people who would have like shown up to a public stoning like yeah you are there is something in you, Rob, where you're capable of watching extreme physical violence befall someone. And explain to me how this is entertainment. I don't understand. So I think it's entertainment. It's a working class sport because I think what it is, is it's like if you try hard enough and you put as much effort in and you're brave,

you can escape your situation and it's the most sort of tangible way to get out of not having money it's an escape from that background of no money and no opportunity and being able to watch someone go and do that is inspiring because you're like oh they are not only are they taking a chance like all by starting a business they're like putting their like life on the line to create something for himself which i find quite inspiring and it's a one-man band kind of thing so i think that that's what it is but as well i think and this maybe it might be a bit too dark maybe a bit too deep maybe open i think people from certain backgrounds that are maybe surrounded by violence

or the threat of violence or of feeling a bit vulnerable which is what people from those kind of low-income or working-class backgrounds are surrounded by you sort of watch it going oh at least it ain't me and that's a relief so in other words you're not weird because you like it i'm a middle-class bitch. No, no, no. I totally understand why people don't like it. But that's sort of what you think is what takes someone down the path of getting into it. And also it's kind of the thing where, like, a lot of the people in it are working class from those backgrounds.

Do you ever get any middle-class boxers? Not really. It's all normally from tough backgrounds. And then what happens is all their friends and family support them and buy tickets. So everyone sort of half knows a boxer. Like my uncle was a boxer. Everyone's got someone, either a cousin or a friend or someone that did boxing, and you'd go and watch them fight.

And then it might be a friend of a friend and you go, oh, I'll go with you to watch them. So it's sort of like the same way as, you know, you might have friends that have written a play and you'll go and watch that play. The same way as, you know, you might have friends that have written a play and you'll go and watch that play. Well, it's like when those boxers become their real folk... I mean, it's a weird phrasing, but they're folk heroes of the place they're from. They really represent their community.

Like Barry McGuigan when he was... Like Ricky Hatton. Yeah, Ricky Hatton from Manchester. He was Manchester, but he was in a small town near Hyde, I think it is. He was going to Vegas to fight Floyd Mayweather. But it's a bit like what Oasis did for those kind of people. It's like, oh, you can be this, but be mega. You know, I'm sure a lot of these boxers would quite like to start their own business

and become super successful entrepreneurs, but that's not really going to happen because it's too much stuff going on. But if you're stood in a ring, there's only one bloke in front of you, that is a much easier and tangible way to be a success, which is why I think comedy is quite good for that because it doesn't matter where you're from. If you get laughs, you get laughs. If you don't, you don't.

Whereas other stuff's harder to get in. And that one-man band quality to it as well. Yeah, because you can't just imagine like, you know what, I'm going to start a bank. All right. Actually, it's easier to going to start a bank. All right. Actually, it's easier to fight that bloke and keep beating people. I think sport is a weird thing.

And especially football as well, that becomes quite tribal and stuff. But if you're not into it, you're not into it, I think. But then Tom Allen grew up in a very similar background and area as me. His dad was a coach driver and all, you know,

his brother sounds like me, dresses like me and walks and talks like me. But Tom's just his own entity. And it's amazing. I've got my mate up in Yorkshire as well. His son sounds a lot like your son. He wears a lot of flat caps and dresses. Oh, yeah. And he wears like sort of old trousers and stuff like that and old suit jackets.

And he keeps drawing pubs and creating little old sort of stout beers. And he's obsessed with it. And he's like been reading Tom Allen's book to him because again, he's like from a like place in Yorkshire where everyone's like very like geezery and into sport and stuff like that. So I think you do get those sort of eccentrics from all walks of life. Yeah. It's really interesting, isn't it?

Like I can remember when my son was born, you know, like a teeny tiny baby. And like one morning, we're both sort of like looking at him on the changing table and whatever. And I remember my husband being like, who is he, though? Yeah. Like, who is he? And now he's like, I'm like, that's who he is. Who he is.

I don't know if you guys have had this with your kids, but I already feel like, and I felt this way about him for a while. Like it's just clear. It is already clear to me who the 20 year old will be. Well, write it in an envelope, seal it. I know.

And see what happens. Open it on his 18th birthday. What do you think he's going to be? Here's what I predicted. You've disappointed me but i just i'd be surprised if at 18 he was like a lad i mean maybe who knows so you and your husband are very sort of creative and like centric people really aren't you if you compare yourself to most people in the country so there'll be a bit of that that's what you know you guys made yeah i guess i really like if there is a wish i

have for my son and i don't know what your thoughts are on this yourselves for your children but like if i have a wish for my child these are my rules for him right yeah in terms of because i'll be like mom am i allowed to do this can i do this i'm gonna go this will be my hobby this will be my job this will be my hobby this will be my job and my thing is rules, you can't take your body too high up. Like, so no outer space exploration. Where are you drawing the line? I would almost say not allowed to be a pilot. I would almost say even though like plane crashes are done.

But I'm like nothing. Bungee jumper? No, you don't leave the earth. Scaffolder? No. Nothing high up. Nothing high up. Nothing deep down. We're not going down. And also third rule, no agent. You're not allowed to have a job that requires you to have an agent. That's the other thing. So no showbiz. I just feel like and I find it very interesting with very successful people because you have had one experience of what

pursuing a passion is about, right? So you can't shake out of your body the idea that you can have a dream and you can chase that dream and that can happen. And then your child is growing up being like, no, no, I can chase a dream and it can happen. And to be like, maybe not the way that daddy did it. And I just feel like my wish for him is that he has a nine to five job, like a regular fucking job. You know, and my husband will be like, I think I could get us like he knows Davina. We know Davina McCall's hairdresser. Sure. And so my husband was like we could get tickets

to go see Masked Singer and I was like over my dead fucking body is that child allowed in a studio like that he's gonna get ideas in his head and the next thing I know he's gonna be thinking and then we're gonna be supporting him

until he's 40 because I just it's not even about it's just like yeah but does he like the Masked Singer? Loves it. Just take him. Take him to the Masked Singer.

You guys, I just don't want him to feel that these jobs are viable. I just don't want him... Take him to when Alex Brooker's being revealed and you'll go, look, you can't do this unless you've only got one leg. And by the way, guess who he's rooting for alex brooker so can you imagine i love the way we're just referring to his alex brooker now not bigfoot as well it's so obvious what a show what a format oh it's so why do you think that ever and so sure is alex brooker you tell me josh i'm not answering that question you tell me he's denied it But he's under contract to deny it.

He legally cannot confirm it. What I love is like when it just, everyone knows it's someone and we all have to sort of like do this little show. What a fantastic piece of TV. Do you know Joel? Joel could sort you out for tickets. She's already gotten in with McCall's hairdresser.

She's fine for tickets. You've not got the will to... Can I just say, if they do sort tickets, can I just say, as an aside, if they do sort tickets, you are exactly the person I end up getting caught with in the green room where I'm like,

I go for a drink after the last leg and I go, oh, so how come you're here and they go i know adam's hairdresser and i think i don't think you should be here mate yeah that's too big a jump for you to be in the green room talking to me at this moment you're so starry josh i'm just trying to read from my book to one of the producers actually if you give me a minute look rob come on i know davina mccall's hairdresser before you know, you're getting your son having a photo with Mo Gilligan. He wants to go home.

They do make you leave, though, before the unveiling. That's the problem with the Marseillais. Do they? Yeah. Because everyone would know it was Alex Brooker then, wouldn't they? They'd all tell everyone. They'd ruin the surprise. Yeah, I presume they'd all have to be NDA'd up.

No. So that reveal is done in an empty room. Yeah. So when Tiffany sung I Think I'm Alone Now. She's doing it empty. Just to Jonathan Ross. Just to Jonathan Ross and Mo Gilligan, Davina McCormick, Rora. Sometimes Peter Crouch.

But Sarah, going back to that. So he's really into it and would love to see it. You would really not want him to be in that sort of world, even though it feels like that's the kind of thing. He's going to end up doing something like that that's quite expressive and creative. I hope not, man. I really hope he doesn't do anything expressive and creative. He's doing it already.

He's wearing a top hat twice a month. I know. So what is it, though? Drilling down, what is it that worries you about that? Is it that there's not financial security? Is it your own things that have happened to you? I mean, I'm trying to think about how to talk about this. Well, I mean, you know, maybe it can feel depressing.

Maybe it's fine to feel depressing. It's fine. After your podcast is feeling depressing. So my grandmother's dying words to me. Okay, here we go. Maybe not this depressing. She was 99 and I didn't like her. I was so happy when my grandmother died. Let me be clear about that.

RIP to anyone's grandma who loved them. But when people's grandparents die in their 80s or 90s and they're upset i'm like pull it the fuck together come on their time has come like just move on now anyway you don't say that in the eulogy though do you we didn't have a eulogy she was so old and she was so not beloved rob it was like there was no eulogy it was just like get her in the ground call it a day yeah you don't even have to bury it they're so old and frail they just float off yeah exactly so go on sarah your man's dying words her dying words were like something like you just just kind of try different things and i was like that's true like in other words her assessment of my life at the age of 40 i'm now 44 was like that i had sort of spent from 20 to 40 trying to find something that works for you

yeah and that is brutal and I'm not sure it's wrong like I started stand-up at 35 like I'd always wanted it was like the thing I'd wanted to do when I was 22 yeah and I tried it and I wasn't good and it would give me such horrible anxiety and then when I when I was 35 I'd moved here and my husband was very encouraging and and then like something really clicked at 35 but I just feel like and I don't know if this is true for you guys or not but I I, you know, comedians really, what do we do? We are drawn to each other, I think. Right. So I know so many standups where all of their closest friends are also standups. And I've always felt like I've had a foot in both worlds. So I have some close friends who are standups and I'm with standups all the time because that's who you see at your gigs.

But my best friends have always been teachers. And I really know a lot of people who are sort of like chugging along without kind of having had a break yet and wondering what it's gonna look like like am I gonna be 50 and still like doing I just think I've seen all the different ways of doing it. And I think it's a really, really hard thing to want to do a creative job. And I think when it comes from something that's just within you, that's one thing. But when it comes from like, well, you saw your parents do it, so maybe it's a viable option. That's like a slightly different... I think anything with freelance, whether it is creative or even just if you're a plumber the pressure's on you don't never know what's going to happen there's no security really of a job but you feel like if you and your husband are doing this where you're jumping between different creative projects your son will think

that's a viable option but you don't think it's an enjoyable option but there's another side of it which is you can see the brutal experience of it because you've lived it and obviously everything feels easier from the outside and i used to when i was really stressed about my job and stuff i'd always think maybe i'll just fuck off and i'll open a shop in a village or something it would always be i'll open a shop in a village or something. It would always be, I'll open a shop. That's what I'd always think. Yeah. And then I speak to people I know that own shops and they're fucking stressed, man.

Yeah. They're always going on about the rent or how Christmas wasn't as good as last time or another shop's moved to the area that sells the same stuff. Or I know people that work in big companies and they're worried about... About redundancies. Redundancies.

And so, like, we can see all this fucking difficulty in our job. The other one I'd always think about, and this is really prevalent to you because of what your husband does, is I'd often think, maybe I'll just get a job doing drive time on magic FM and I'd really enjoy that and then you speak to people that work at commercial radio stations and they're like a new controller's come in what if I lose my job oh my god I'm only on a

year-to-year contract and you know what I will say about that as well? Because that is what he did for a long time before a pivot. You know, like as stand-ups, we can always find a place to peddle our wares. Totally. You're not reliant on other people. And here's this grim sort of positive that I'm going to take from this. Because I think what I'm saying is like, I don't know. positive that I'm going to take from this because I think what I'm saying is like I don't know I just I think I'm really childlike in as much as I just want to believe that your job can bring you joy yeah I really want to think that that's true you've got to give up on that Sarah you've got to

give up on that I do though don't I there's not a magic job out there that everyone loves every second. Look at a footballer. Everyone wants to be a footballer. Marcus Rashford's on the piss in Belfast. He's supposed to be training.

Do you know what I mean? You're a footballer and a new manager comes in and suddenly you're inexplicably dropped from the first team. Or you get an injury. Yeah, you get an injury

and suddenly you're Brian Clough who was the best striker in Britain. And he fucked his knee up at 28 and it was all over. Admittedly, he won a lot of European cups as an alcoholic, but you know, there's wins and losses, but yeah. I remember very clearly right before the pandemic hit. So my son at that point was like two or three, something like that that and i'm never around for bedtimes because i would always be out yeah your friend ramesh ring and nathan it was when he was doing that column in the back

of the guardian he'd written something and i have the jobs yeah he needs that another 500 words to bang out another quid at the end of it i didn't want to say it but as the close friend you can say it but you you can make fun but he he wrote this thing that really fucking wedged in there. It's something about this idea that like, by the time your child reaches the age of 10, you will have spent 90% of the time that you will spend with them across their lifetime. Unless you're doing weakest link.

Was he speaking as Ramesh or as a normal parent? No, he's true. I've seen that. It almost seems like someone gave me these facts just to give you guys the opportunity to roast your friend. Yes. So when they're 10, you've spent 90% of the time. That's fucking weird and scary.

I mean, I've got a lot of these very depressing facts I can pull out of my back pocket. That's amazing. And again, I'm not sure that's exactly what it was, but it was in that family of whatever. And I was doing tour support. I was in the backseat. I was like, I'm gonna cry. I'm gonna like, I was like, I'm gonna start crying.

That's so sad. It was your new way to work as well. I think it was doing tour support for Nish or something. And they're talking about whatever like depressing political thing he's talking about. And I'm like trying to suppress tears in the backseat having read this fact then the pandemic hit

and I was like around for every fucking bedtime and I wanted to put a bullet through my brain and I thought like I'm not being particularly articulate but I guess what I'm trying to say is I would look at someone whose career as a standup is at a certain level and think like, God, that's, I swear to God, I swear to God, I swear to God, all I would need to be happy. I really believe

this. All I need to be happy is to reach this level as a comic where I could make this amount of money and tour to this size of an audience. And then I will really be happy. And then I will really be happy. And then it's like, nah, because there is just always some kind of trade. Like you're working at this level, but then you're going to be missing this thing. Well, you're working at this level, but then you have financial instability and we're all just miserable in all of our jobs.

And that's what I would want to say to anyone is like everyone is unhappy with what they've been given. Everyone. And there is freedom in that. So for your son, he might as well be unhappy being creative than unhappy doing finance. I'm not joking.

Everyone's got the art. I feel that this conversation has made me understand that he will be unsatisfied no matter what he does. Exactly. And I need to lean into that. I just need to lean into it. But as a parent, you want them to have zero problems,

be happy, have friends, earn money, express themselves, be creative. It ain't going to happen. And also, more importantly, it's not your responsibility.

They're going to be adults and it's on them. There's nothing you can do to do that. And as they grow up and they're having arguments at school, this is what the pain is of being a parent. You can't go in and have that argument with a school kid. you've just got to help them through it

and then trust that they go and do it because it's their life that they're leading and that's the hardest bit so it's like it's that life the buddhist thing a life is dukkha life is suffering but it's accepting that and realizing you're not going to be happy all the time but also it's not your responsibility at that point and And Rob, I've been leading into happiness podcasts in 2024. I'm like listening to some happiness podcasts. And we have an obsession, you guys, with finding meaning in suffering. And sometimes you have to accept that it is just the suffering. That is how I am heading into 2024.

Okay. That it is meaningless suffering and we make peace with it. that is how I am heading into 2024. Okay? That it is meaningless suffering and we make peace with it. And no one else is that happy. No. But there'll be moments of happiness, moments of being quite content, moments of being grief stricken.

Do you know, I was thinking this about my neck. So, yeah. Let's talk about your neck for a minute. Sarah was just about to make a big point, I thought, about all the podcasting and happiness. No, no, I want to hear about this neck. Let Sarah come back around to this after his neck. Come on. Listen, you just turned 40 or you're 40 now, right, Josh? Yeah, yeah. I lean in and Rob, this shit is coming for

you. So tell the next story because this is important. I've had a bad neck for six months and it's got incrementally better. You've had it for four years. Yeah, no, yeah, but it's been on and off, but I haven I've had a bad neck for six months and it's got incrementally better. You've had it for four years. Yeah, no, yeah, but it's been on and off, but I haven't been able to shift it for six months. But it's got incrementally better. Look at that, right?

I couldn't do that. But it's still one of the bits he's lost. He just looked up and down and to the side. He's showing us his neck mobility. Wow. Show us again. What was that? Fucking hell.

Show us your big thing. Show us your big... Look at that big boy. look at that big boy look at that big boy oh you're gonna be playing wind the bobbin up all day and rushing into the floor window to the door but that's a problem right okay so when you've got to look judgmental at someone yeah yeah yeah but anyway it's almost better and i found myself walking on the street thinking i I've dealt with my anxiety. I've got on top of that. I've got on top of my drinking.

I've got on top of this. As soon as I've got my neck done, then I can be happy. And I thought, that is insanity right there. And I just caught myself and I was like, you can't be waiting for this moment when everything falls into place because there's always going to be something that's an issue and i was just looking at people going all these people walking around me here in victoria park which is a nice place a lot of them should be happy they're all gonna have a relative that's ill or a worry about financial security

or a lump on their testicle they're worried about or whatever right weird option number three i panicked just could have said a lump i could have just said a lump i could have just said the comic mind wants specificity and wants to paint a picture for his audience that's genuinely true that's why i said testicle listen this is the point that we are in you i mean this is a very personal question for both of you i haven't got a lump on my testicle no lumps and rob lump on the testicle not No lumps. And Rob, lump on the testicle? Not checked for a couple of weeks. Could check now, but should I just say, assume it's fine?

Get back in there. Are you gentlemen and your wives, are you done having kids? Yes. Yeah. I think this thing happens to people when it's like they know they're done. And it's like like here's the truth guys the good shit now is over because there are all these questions that we get to have in our 20s and maybe your 30s right like will i have a kid will i have another kid who's my partner

gonna be what professional high am i we know the answers to the questions now. And now the shit that you wonder about is like, when will my parents die? Like that's I'm not kidding. Like that is what steps in as the replacement question. And now as middle aged people, I know you're not quite there yet, Rob. But it's like now your attempt at happiness isn't like imagining the next baby or whatever. Fuck. It's like you look for a nice tree you're like i'm walking you know what that's a nice tree put it on the ground i'm gonna be

present and observing the beauty in the tree and that's all we have from now till death don't you think now it has to be about the small moments and sometimes when people keep having kids and keep having kids and keep having kids yeah i'm like oh you can't now just look at a tree like it's time for you you had three you're done look at a nice tree but they can't they need to keep pushing the narrative forward so they're like another kid another kid it's like settle in yeah settle down oh dear god this has been one of my favorite great our deepest we haven't talked about your podcast they like to watch we got to plug the pod you guys i need to help we need to plug can we plug this pod plug the hard plug hard so basically my husband and i

were both in similar fields i'm just gonna say on this because you've been so good on this the plug and we were talking about this on the last podcast, going on something and being good is kind of the plug in itself. Do you know what I mean? Let me tell you something. The fact that you understand that, genuinely, I think a lot of people don't understand that thing. And that concept would have made you very good on Drive Time Radio.

We talk about this all the time. Like when you're someone who has guests on, it's not about going, Rob Beckett's new project. Let's talk about the project. Smart TV on Sky Max. Yeah. Let them shine. Have the PR shut up.

Who's going, you haven't mentioned that. Shut up. We'll do it in the intro. Let the star shine. But because you asked, my husband and I had always wanted to do something together. Yeah. But he is very obsessed with high quality formats. So anytime I'd be like, well, we could do a pod and he'd be like, no, what is it about?

What is it about? What are we talking about? You can't just do said with respect for everyone's choices. You can't just do a podcast about a marriage because there's not going to be enough like authentically interesting self-generating material there. So we were always trying to figure out what would it be? What would we talk about? What's the shape? And I was going to do a tour and in the run up to that tour, without exaggeration, we got as obsessed with how we were going to coordinate watching Succession together, which we were very into at the time, as to managing like the childcare arrangements. And I was like, oh, what if it's because that's a thing with couples. I don't know if you do this with your wives, but we are a couple who watches together. It's a way of connecting.

And so we wound up doing this sort of podcast about succession that went well enough. And that has now transformed into it's about the hunt for excellent television. So it's for you if you love television, but you're like so overfaced and you're like, I am a good, smart person with perfect taste. What is worth my time? And we do all the work. Hold the front page. Rubber Rubbish vs. Smart TV. The Last Leg.

Do an episode of The Last Leg. These are the only programs that we ever talk about. Do you talk about The Masked Singer? You know what? We would maybe talk about The Masked Singer in, like we talked about The Traitors. Yeah. And we would talk about it,

like I think if we're talking about, we try to do as much listener interaction as we can. You know, we're trying to get like a conversation going. What are people watching? I've got a 10-year-old. What should I be watching with my 10-year-old? This kind of stuff. Yeah.

Can I give you a suggestion of something to watch? With your 10-year-old, you can watch The Traitors. Go on, Rob. Have you heard of Kin? It's an Irish drama about gangsters. There was a big hit in Ireland and then the Kin? It's an Irish drama about gangsters. There was a big hit in Ireland and then the BBC. It's on iPlayer now.

Series one's already out. Series two starting next week. It's really good actors in it. Littlefinger from Game of Thrones is in it. I forget what his name is. I know who you mean. That guy. Yes.

That guy. But he's brilliant and that's quite good. But it's quite fast-paced, like a gangster drama. Eight episodes in a series. See, this is what we do. We'd have Rob Beckett on. We'd talk. We'd get an insider take on something to do with television.

Then Rob would recommend Kin. And then the next week we'd watch Kin and be like, I want Rob Beckett to like me. And it's called They Like to Watch. It's called They Like to Watch. So think about it like this. Television is the Trojan horse. And inside the horse is a marriage.

Do you understand yeah marital dynamics tucked into please tell me what is worth my time watching on television yes because time is is at a premium if you don't want to dodge recommendation oh my god cleared the diary to start a series you've been described as a sparky double act by the financial times we are a sparky double act by the Financial Times. We are a sparky double act. She brings the format and I bring my good personality. You know how like if you're going on a holiday. You're one of the five

hottest new podcasting duos. Dude, we got silver at the British Podcast Awards. Oh, congratulations. We thought we should have got gold. Carry on, carry on, carry on. I just found myself. I like stepped out of myself

and heard myself explaining to you why we would have gotten gold. And then I thought, you need to reign. Oh, no, tell us, because we'd like to get gold as well. What have you got to do to get gold? You guys, we can't get gold because none of us here are doing anything important. Right, okay, so it's got to be.

Actually, I think we are. So you're going to lose to the important podcast. Oh, like if it's about a big issue. Big issue. We're funny. Yeah, it's not enough being funny. Not for a claim. Enough for me, you guys.

I'm speaking to you both now, not your listeners. Okay, I'm speaking to you and whoever listeners want to listen in. You're going on a holiday. You're going to go somewhere lovely. You're successful people. You're going somewhere great. And you're thinking, we're going to hire a babysitter this one night, but we want to go to

the perfect restaurant in this little European Amalfi Coast, whatever. But where is exactly the place? Sure, Yelp is going to tell me this. Lonely Planet is going to tell me, but where would actually be good? Then you want the travel website that would tell you where you want to go on the Amalfi Coast for dinner, the one night that you're going to have dinner alone with your wife, right? Yes. We are trying to be that website, but as a podcast for television. Right. There we go.

Tony Romer's, that's where I'd go. That's why I was speaking to Josh. Soon as you said Amalfi Coast, I was like, it's got Pooley written all over it. It's the other side. I'll just get some tenders in Orlando. The last question. We always ask this question. Oh, it's good because you're a Sparky over it. It's the other side. I just get some tenders in Orlando. The last question. We always ask this question. Oh, it's good because you're a Sparky Double Act. So this is a good.

Sparky Double Act. Sparky Double Act. Yeah, and your husband, Jeff Lloyd, DJ Jeff Lloyd, now podcaster. What is the one thing he does parenting-wise where you go, oh, my God, he's amazing. I'm so lucky to have a child with him. And then what's the one thing he does where you go, that is really annoying and I wish you didn't do that.

Stop it. No. What does he do? I hate saying this because it's so cheesy, but like he loves being with our son so much. Like nothing else in his life brings him the amount of joy. And I actually think that's kind of rare for a parent. Like my friends were arranging like a girl's dinner

and everyone's like, make the dinner early so I can get out of bedtime. And my husband is that person who's like, get out of bedtime. It's my favorite part of the day. Now, some of this is because of his underlying depression, but also a lovely gift he gives our son. And then the thing that he does that we both are really really really really really different about money like i hate being generous it makes me feel sick spending money and being generous i'm like the tightest bitch you've ever met yeah you should hang out with josh oh is josh like that as well no not at all you both seem like you'd be generous people but not me i've had my husband he's had to convince me like i have said before we were going to visit some friends and i was like um they had had a huge professional

success and they were engaged to be married i was like we need to go over with a bottle of champagne right he's like yeah yeah so we're walking we pass the liquor store we go in i didn't know how much champagne cost i had no idea because I'm always like buying Prosecco. I come out, I said to my husband, I can't do it. I can't physically spend 60 pounds on a bottle of wine. I will throw up. So you go do it to be nice because I know what I should do, but I can't do it. So the difficulty is he, I would say, and if he was on, he'd be like, oh, but I would say he nudges up his love language is let me give you things let me give you things and that is also his love language with his child and i don't love that what's my love language?

Oh, shit. Rob, what if my big takeaways from this podcast are that I am going to let my son have a creative job and I don't have a love language? Is it affection, cuddling and kissing, that kind of stuff? Yeah, I don't know. What's my, I'm here to get the job done. Admin. I think admin might be my love language. Organizing is your love language.

Oh, this is terrible. But yeah, I think organization is my love language. Yeah, but that's important though. As much as it's not like being honest and everything runs smoothly and it's an enjoyable experience to do stuff. That is a way of showing love, isn't it? To get everything in order for people to enjoy themselves.

Love it. Actually, my son said to me the other day, he's like, mom, can we talk about the schedule? And I was like, that's my boy. Like, I love just talking schedules and being like, and then on Wednesday. That's so fun for me. Sarah, thanks so much.

Good luck with the podcast. Are you touring or doing any more stand-up? Or is it just podcasting you're focusing on at the moment? I'm not sure when this will come out, but I will be up in Edinburgh this summer at 4.45 every day. And I've got a podcast that drops every Tuesday. And those are her big projects and products. And where would they follow you on social media?

This is the worst handle of all time. And let's just skate on past that. What is it, Adolf Hitler? Yeah, it's Adolf Hitler, 2470. It's Sarah spelled Sarah. Baron one million everywhere. Pardon? At Sarah Baron one million.

Oh, not everywhere as well. No, no, no. I'm just saying that's right. You see how I always fuck up my handle? This is the only reason my followers are so low. So Sarah Baron. S-A-R-A Baron. No, no, no. I'm just saying that's right. You see how I always fuck up my handle? This is the only reason my followers are so low. So Sarah Barron. S-A-R-A Barron. No H. No H on the Sarah.

One million at the end. How many R's in Barron? Two R's. B-A-R. And in million, is that written as one million or is it digits of one, zero, zero, zero, zero? It's digits. I'm such a nice lady. If anyone would put in the digits. I'm such a nice lady. If anyone would put in the effort,

I'm such a nice lady. Sarah Barron, no H, two R's and the number one and six zeros. You're a PR marketing machine. It's so bad. Please come find me, everyone I need. Did you start on Sarah Baron one and that was taken then you did two then you did three i don't even know and my email address if i gave you my email you'd be like you need to talk to somebody like you need to have a word i've checked your follow

on instagram i didn't know i wasn't following you couldn't find you i'm following sarah baron 999 999 i'm working my way there. Cheers, Sarah. Good luck with the show. And sorry we made you feel sick on Hypothetical. It was the corrective emotional experience. Do you feel like you've recovered now? Have we done a bit of therapy and put that to bed?

You had a good time. By the way, there was never any. You were both always so sweet. You know, if you have one person, you always have bad gigs in front of them. That's how I felt. It was like, why would I have to have a bad gig in front of Joshua to come and rap Beckett? Yeah.

So this felt much better. I can't listen to Bananarama because they spoke about that and would have lied to you for ages. So I know how you feel. But we've corrected it. Exactly. Cheers, Sarah. I'll see you guys around. Thank you so much again for having me.

Cheers, bye. Sarah Barron. Oh, Sarah Barron. I felt bad about Hypothetical. Yeah, not as bad as I felt. It's your show, isn't it? You should put your guests at ease. And then James Acaster got all the love for talking to her about it

and you just moseyed off, not caring. Oh, God. Oh, well. Pretty worried about your neck, weren't you? Yeah. Can't sort that out until I've sorted this out. Yeah. What are you Googling?

I can see it in your glasses as well, you little Google goggle monster. I started reading about her podcast. Oh, right. Okay. While we're doing the outro on ours. Because when I Googled her podcast, a bloody load of things came up. And then before I knew it,

I clicked on an article with an interview with her. It's literally finished an interview with her and I'm reading an interview with her. What am I doing with my life? Let's come back on Tuesday. Right, see you on Tuesday. Bye.