Rob Beckett and Josh Widdicombe's Parenting Hell - S8 EP24: Jonathan Ross & Honey Ross

Episode Date: March 29, 2024

Joining us this episode to discuss the highs and lows of parenting (and life) are our very first father / daughter combo - Jonathan Ross and Honey Ross. You can listen to their brilliant podcast 'Reel Talk' wherever you get your podcasts. Parenting Hell is a Spotify Podcast, available everywhere every Tuesday and Friday. Please leave a rating and review you filthy street dogs... xx If you want to get in touch with the show here's how: EMAIL: [e-mail] INSTAGRAM: @parentinghell MAILING LIST: parentinghellpodcast.mailchimpsites.com  A 'Keep It Light Media' Production  Sales, advertising, and general enquiries: [e-mail] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hello, I'm Rob Beckett. And I'm Josh Willicombe. Welcome to Parenting Hell, the show in which Josh and I discuss what it's really like to be a parent, which I would say can be a little tricky. So to make ourselves and hopefully you feel better about the trials and tribulations of modern day parenting, each week we'll be chatting to a famous parent about how they're coping. Or hopefully how they're not coping.

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Well, thank you very much. Yeah, TTC trying to conceive. Here we go. Here we go. We got there, Josh. We got there. That Mumsnet has a lot of those. Well, I'm not because I don't really go on Mumsnet, but they have a lot of those acronyms, don't they? Yeah, they love it. What's the one of like, my husband, the husband? What are they? Yeah. And there's like,

we have to find them. We find them. Have a list of Mumsnet. Why don't we play a quick game? Yeah. Where you find the Mumsnet acronyms and I have to work out what it is. Here we go. Here we go. Mom's the acronyms list. Okay. ADHD. Attention deficit. Hyperactivity disorder. Oh, this one's mental. AF AIK. Yes, not as good an egg game as I thought. It's so difficult. As far as I know,

was a thought because it's so difficult. As far as I know, as far as I know. AF AF. Oh, fuck. It's now I'm not sure if this is allowed anymore, especially from the man. Auntie flow, which is an old fashioned schoolgirl. BC before children. Oh, sorry, you're supposed to be

BFP. Big fat. Yep. Penis. No. Sicko. Pregnancy. Positive. Big fat positive. Big fat positive refers to a pregnancy test. So BLW. Give me the first word. Baby. Baby. L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L- baby led baby led weaning. Yeah, I knew you'd get it after it over. Then I'll get you EWCM. What's that? Egg white cervical mucus. My question there is, who's using the acronym the first time? Like, when do you say, but when do you say, do you know what, we're writing egg white cervical mucus too often. I wanna speed this up.

Could we all just agree just to chip this down? When's the meeting? Yeah. This one's mental. I-Y-S-W-I-M. What's that? If you see what I mean. Jesus Christ.

Anyway, I think we've run this dry. Yeah. We've got Jonathan and Honey Ross today, Rob. Yes. Oh, excited about this. It was a good one, wasn't it? Oh, this is one of the greats. This is the first time we've had father and daughter? I think first time we've had father and daughter, also as well.

We both love Jonathan Ross, long career in the industry, from a selfish point of view for us. I've always found it very interesting to see how someone that's been in the public eye for a long time with children has dealt with that and the impact it's had on the kids because that's something that we're living with right now where our children, you know, are going to school and stuff and we're on the telly and bits and bobs. So it was really interesting to see but it was almost really exciting to see what a wonderful relationship they have. Yeah, it was it's an incredible relationship. I think it was it you always talk to you who said, you know, we've all been on

things with Jonathan Ross is tough to compete because he's got such an incredible mind. And she absolutely not only holds her own, but sometimes smacks his bum as well. Yeah, and literally just that's mental. But you know, I mean, anecdotally any conversation. It's a weird analogy, but you get what I mean, don't you, Josh? I do. The podcast Real Talks about R-E-E-L, like because it's about cinema, is available now on all your platforms.

Here's Jennifer and Honey. Oh, you're back on screen now. Oh, you've got us. I think it's just got honey. Just me. Yeah. It'll shift. It's not a problem though.

We can hear him. Everyone knows me anyway, I don't care. Yeah. No one wants to look at this. Even I don't want to look at this. Yeah. I pay good money not to look at this. Nothing worse than at my age when you go to the toilet like three or four in the morning

and you forget not to look towards the mirror. And you sort of like slurp past it. You move like a sort of sentient bin bag past the mirror. Right past it. I mean, I would say though, Jonathan, we can start with Jonathan and Honey joining us, that you do look good for your age. You've started moaning about your age, but I think the hair is the key, isn't it? Having good hair when you're older. Isn't that the very definition of being damned by faint praise? You look very good. See, if you'd have ended the conversation there, you'd have said, you look very good. As soon

as you qualify, it's no longer a compliment, Rob. Yeah, it undermines it. Yeah, because if you were bald, I don't think we would have had you on the show. Do you know what? I'm interested in this, Rob. Why are you so obsessed with baldness, Rob? It's the third time this week you've told me you're relieved you're not bald. Because I've realized a lot of my friends and people I work with that are of my age of nearly 40 have loads of hair. I've spunked into a few people that are my age that are bald and they do look 15 years older. But Rob if you've still got it now you're going to keep hold of it. It's like it goes earlier than this. It would have

thinned out. Yeah if it was going to go. I'm not worried's like it goes earlier than this. It would have thinned out. Yeah, if it was going to go. I'm not worried about losing it. Oh, you just want to make them feel bad. Yeah, okay. I'll keep growing it. It's all fine. Look, I'm fine. I actively receive DMs from people going, you need to tell your dad to stop dyeing his hair. It's getting ridiculous now. And I have to message going, he has never used bottle dye. This is all his. He's natural. Oh, I presumed you dyed your hair.

Never. He never has. Why would I? You know me well enough. Do you think I give enough of a shit about anything to bother spending any extra time on grooming whatsoever? I resent the fact I have to shower. He's true, but he really does. I sometimes go at least a week without showering. That's your favorite little treat.

Really? Yeah. He hates to be cleaned. At least, so does Jane sometimes. We're like a couple of hamsters in their own straw in that bed. You're filthy. And so when was the last time you showered? It was yesterday. Yesterday. You didn't shower this morning? No, my brother did it two days in a row. What's wrong with you? I didn't do the exercise. How often do you shower, honey? Is that a fair question or are we going to spread it out? How dare you? No. Let's start with that. Yeah.

I think my rebellion as your child was now I bathe way too much. I have half a day. I'm obsessed with bathing. I didn't have a shower this morning and I did go on the treadmill. I'm a bit like that with my parents. I pay tax as a rebellion. How often do you shower, Rob? Every day, yeah.

Even if you've got nothing on? So every yeah. Even if you've got nothing on? Even if you've got nothing on, he doesn't shower in clothes. I go out in the rain, does that count? I get either shower every morning if I'm going somewhere or doing something, if I'm just doing the school run and I'm doing a bit of exercise or walking the dog later, I would shower that night before bed. Would you? That's as stinky as I get. I love being clean.

But the other extreme, the other extreme though is, I sometimes shower before having a bath. Do you? That's the Japanese way. The Onsen style, I do that. I've been having baths and having a shower, but it's obviously better to be clean and then get in the bath, isn't it?

Yes, because you're lying in what's coming off your body. You marinate in your own filth. So why would you bathe first and lie in the debris? Well, we should do the intros properly. Obviously we've got Jonathan Ross and Honey Ross. Honey Ross? I can't stand by your last name. What do you mean what's her surname? She's my daughter. Have you lost the ability to function? Could have been Goldman Ross. I'd say that's actually the more exciting surname these days. Yeah you are a bit Goldman and Ross, wouldn't you? You don't have a say in the matter because

legally you are bound to me for life unfortunately. I am yours, you ought to be a Goldman and the Ross, wouldn't you? You don't have a say in the matter because legally, you are bound to me for life, unfortunately. I am yours, yes. I'm a spawn. I mean, you could, kids can get separated from their parents, can't they? Emancipation. I've looked into it, but we can do the paperwork. That's a lot of admin. This is the first father-daughter pairing we've had on the show. Wow. Really? Yeah, we've got Andy and Makita Oliver coming up, which is mother and daughter. Have you had father and sons a lot then? Is it just conventional old school thinking on your part or is it just not many young women want to come on?

I think we're the first intergenerational, it's quite fun to interview people, you know, who are cross-generational. We could say, honey, which parents work are you more proud of? Oh my God. Put me on the spot. If I were you, I would be more proud of mum's work. I think I'm incredibly proud of both of you because you've both done so many wonderful things independently. I've worked much harder and much longer than she has.

And she did it with kids. Far less. You weren't like carrying children. This is not me, you know, snapping out your shine because you're incredible. No, here's the deal. But like she started her film career after she had three kids. You were childless and a TV presenter, which is amazing, but it's not the same level of effort as incredible screenwriting and carrying children.

I'll be honest with you, it's considerably harder and we all complain less about it. Writers, you've never, I've got two writers, oh my god, they act like they're rebuilding the Ottoman Empire. I tell you what's a tough day, a tough day is any day apart from sitting on your ass in front of a computer screen and ordering Deliveroo. And yet somehow, somehow writing is so hard. I tell you what, try doing what I used to do, try doing a little bit of removals. That's hard on a wet Wednesday morning when you're carrying a double filing cabinet upstairs with a lazy man on the other end. Where was the last time you did removals?

That's not the point Rob. I can't stay focused. I don't even have those filing cabinets anymore. I still move stuff around. Am I not very attentive father whenever you need anything done at your house? Yes, you will help me move things. I take your rubbish away when your rubbish is built up. The number of times I've left Honey's house with a van full of cardboard and cat waste. Cat waste? I mean, definitely cardboard.

I've emptied your cat's litter tray more or less. I've seen you carry a whole mattress out of my son's house. A double, not a single, a double. A double! On his own? On his own! I'm lucky it wasn't a windy day. I hope you had a shower after that, Jonathan.

Absolutely not. He definitely didn't. He sticks to the hair-dialer mattress and he just balances it off the top. I tell you what, I tell you something which I shouldn't share with you, but I once went, when we were on holiday, we have a place over in Florida, which we've been going to since you, well, we had it since before you were born. So you've only ever known that. Because it's sunny and I'm jumping in and out of a swimming pool. I didn't think about it. I probably didn't shower properly for two weeks.

Oh my God. And I had a smell under my right armpit. I thought, well, that's a bad, I better get rid of that. So I had a shower. It didn't go. Had another one. It didn't go. I'm not making this up. I had to shave the hair off my armpit. Oh my word. And get rid of it. God. It was so ingrained.

Did you balance it up or did you have one shaved armpit? Oh, I just did the one because why would you do two? The other one was still fresh. Wait, that's bizarre. That's a bizarre trait to me. Well, I favored the right. The right arm was doing all the work. Yeah, so what are you doing with that right arm to get it that smelly and sweaty and overworked? That's a low bar, Rob. That's even for Josh, even for Rob, that's an obvious. Just saying, look, I just wondered why it was one arm to another. Look, Rob, you can go on to Jonathan Ross's show and be accused of doing dad jokes by

the girl from... Who accused her of that? I can't remember who said that. Ray accused Rob of doing her dad jokes. Oh, you got accused of dad jokes by National Treasure. Oh, wow. I know. See, if that was a tough shift after National Treasure. Oh my goodness. I know. See, that was a tough shift after John Squire. I was still reading. You did very much do a lot of heavy lifting there, and I appreciate that.

That was carrying a fucking mattress up the stairs that night. A chippy Mancunian mattress. But sometimes, sometimes you do the show and you do have to earn your money. That's the way it goes. That's the case. Fair enough. Honey, what's it like? Well, first of all, you're working with your dad now doing your podcast, but

what's it like growing up with your mum and your dad being so well known? And also like, not only is your dad, Jonathan Jonathan famous he was like an extrovert with his clothes and acquires taste. It's an interesting question. The man dressed as Freddy Krueger. I mean I've been incredibly lucky like you're a wonderful father genuinely like hand on heart being very earnest I'm incredibly lucky I love my parents. We encourage earnest as well. So don't worry about that. We'll snitch that out. I'm saving it. No, I'm incredibly close with my parents. We have a film podcast that we do together,

which kind of came out of our actual interest in just talking about films together all the time. And I'm best friends with my mom. I love my parents, clearly. Growing up in the public eye is weird. It's very surreal. I mean, nobody really wants to hear about it because it's like, oh, it must have been so hard for you. It was strange.

You know, I like, I remember once my bedroom window was on the news and that was quite unsettling. All things considered. That was during the Saxgate period when I stayed indoors for a long while. As advised and requested by the BBC, I said, let me just go out and speak to them, get rid of them. We're not staying when you're.... I think they had a drawing agenda, which they never fully shared with me. So we had like journalists camped outside for about- Like two months?

Yeah, two months. It was insane. And in the end, I became a little bit proud of it. I just wanted to see how long I could keep it going. One time I had to go out and I went over the back wall and went through someone else's garden and got a car to pick me up somewhere else in the town and came back in. And were you going to school and stuff during that time? Yeah, I was going to school and like pushing through the crowds. I felt like I was Princess Diana, but they weren't there for me.

I remember as well we would like bring them tea because they'd be out there for hours. So you were like, let's like make a pot of tea for them and like give them tea. We only did that once. It wasn't like, guys, come and stay. Oh, what was I going to say? I was either going to come out and say, I don't regret a thing. I'm glad I did it, which was unlikely. I was going to come out and say, what I'd already publicly said several times. Yeah, I'm sorry. It was a mistake. I wish I hadn't done it. But it was that kind of like frenzy. And that was kind of before things are a lot calmer

now. Ever since the all the hacking came out, the papers have quite rightly backed off of being quite as vindictive and quite as ludicrous as they were at the time. And I think it had a big impact on you because I think you certainly saw me really demoralized. You saw me more than most, because you know why I share more with you than the other two. Yeah. And I know you saw me very down in a way which must be difficult for you. No, oh my God, I do it again. Like you were kind were cocooning and hiding

and we watched all of Sex and the City together. I have really fond memories of that time. Obviously it was a really dark time and complicated, but we always, because as much as my dad presents as an extrovert, he isn't secretly very introverted. He is very, he loves his own company. He would be on his own most of the time if he could.

So that was my way in of we would watch things together and be cozy together. I was on tranquilizers by the media. I don't remember watching sexy. I remember some shoes, but that's it. Was there, because you grew up, as you say, like door of celebrities and stuff, but did you have discussions, you and Jane, about whether you were going to take your children into public, what the rules were, or was it kind of different in that time? You mean in public, like just going out in public? Yeah, or going to events and stuff. You know what, we didn't even think about it really. I mean, we didn't think about it.

Maybe we should have done, but no, I think we thought we're going to live our life the way we've always lived our life and in the same way and not let things change. And bear in mind as well, you know, most of the time I've known both of you, most of Honey's life I have been quite successful on TV, but I had, I became very successful very quickly like 1987. And then about 1990, I was kind of seen as being sort of finished really, or certainly, certainly slipped way from the top tier. I was no one's first choice. And so I'd had a kind of roller coaster anyway. So, and that was the year we had our first child, Betty was born in 1990.

And so it was like, I wasn't particularly a news story then. Yeah. People were interested, I suppose, but there wasn't that much. And then my career didn't really kick off into the way that you had known until 2000, which would have been when you were three. Yeah.

Because 2000 was when I, well about 1990, 2000, was when I moved back to the BBC, started doing the Radio 2 show that was very popular, started doing the talk show again that became the very popular show for them. So I suppose I'd had that period with Betty and Harvey where we had been of less interest. And once again, and the press wasn't quite as mental back then. It became really bad about 97, 98, 99 when they were just following, I'd go out with Harvey across the field and I'd see two people in the bushes filming us. And you think, I'm just taking him for a walk and you've seen both of us. Or we'd get followed when we go into town.

We got chased home from the Hampstead Fun Fair. We'd gone to like on a bank holiday weekend going to the Fun Fair. And we got a car chase. Why are you making that? We were happily chased by paparazzi. We'd been on the bumper cars and we'd gone back to our house. What do you think is going to happen that's worth it? There was no sort of story around you then, was it? It was just you being famous. It wasn't like there was a big drama about it all and they were still following you about. No, it just felt like being a zoo animal. It was really strange.

I think that there was such an appetite for paparazzi pictures generally in the newspapers that lots and lots more people became paparazzi. And so they were just following up, where we live in North London, there's quite a lot of famous people in a fairly small, concentrated area. So I think they were just whizzing around, and I don't know where they're specifically for us,

but whenever they saw you moving somewhere, I follow them, because they might be going somewhere interesting. They might be doing, or they might fall over. We never were. We never going anywhere interesting. Yeah. We go from bed to work.

The worst time it ever happened actually, you won't remember this, I don't think, because you were tiny. But the one thing I really got pissed off with, I'd been for a swim with you and you'd cut your foot on something sharp in the swimming pool. And so I raced out to the car and this is when we kind of knew, I kind of worked out, I asked this to our phones were being hacked because no one would have known where I was. I was going and I phoned Jane, your mum, and I said, don't panic. I don't think it's any serious, but honey's got a foot. There's a lot of blood, the soft tissue on the foot. It bleeds a lot anyway. I do remember this because I saw the scar.

It's quite a big cut. I'm going to whistle out the doctor now. I phoned the doctor. What we're going around now, don't worry. I'm getting the car. When we arrived at the doctor's, two blokes were in there, somebody cameras. Oh, wow. I'm carrying honey and she's in a swimming costume wrapped in a towel. I'm looking really concerned. Oh my God. Then you think, that's pretty hideous, but they must have somehow worked out presumably

from this phone calls, I guess, where we were going, or they just followed us from there. So moments like that, you think, well, this is just really inhumane. Not in the grand scheme of things, not the things that go on that really destroy people's lives. Of course, I'm not comparing it to anything substantial like that, but it was really uncomfortable. And so we did get a little bit more, I think, in a way, maybe it worked to our advantage as a family because we became very, you kind of draw the wagons around and you become your own self-contained unit. And you still go out and do things together, but you talk about what's going on together. You share the experience. You try and not

normalize it, but try and kind of make it seem less intrusive by dealing with it and pushing it away and saying, well, that's just what happens. It's horrible. But you know, they're idiots and find jokes you can make about it. I think you were also very good at being like, oh, well, you know, this is the downside of something that comes with a lot of upsides. And like you would be like, you know, because of this, you know, we get to go to a premiere occasionally and you get certain things. You'd be like, look, it may be shit, but you get a lot of things in it. Yeah, well, it's the choice I made. And luckily for you, I had children.

Thank you so much. That's the deal, isn't it? It's like, on the one hand, sure, you did have a different, and there must be, I'm sure there are moments of the awkward, other times, you're here. All things considered, I'm very lucky, very grateful. I got off lightly, like no complaints. No complaints. That's the best thing you can say. That's what you want from your kid. No complaints. No complaints publicly. Complaints and therapy, but that's between me and God. What was the best things that you got taken to, honey? Was there things where you're like,

this is mad? Oh, okay. This is a bit of a, it's not niche, but I feel like it maybe hasn't aged that well. But we went to the final Harry Potter premiere and it was insane. They took over all of Leicester Square. There was like a walk for like two miles. Yeah, well they took us from Trafalgar Square up to Leicester Square. And there's like Death Eaters spinning around and like everybody just was so excited. And it was at the time

when it was like obviously at the height of its success. Yeah, all the cast were there. Daniel Radcliffe was there and he waved to us. He was like, hi guys. And I was like, I'm in. How old have you been at this point? 12, 13. Oh my God.

I think you went to all of the Harry Potter films. I was doing the film show then. So I remember going to the set of the first one before it was finished and interviewing the kids there then, I think, and I hope it was a success. And then, do you remember the one, they had one premiere that was amazing where you drove a little way out of town, but they'd set up a train at some station, which was like the Hogwarts Express. I was like, magic. And so you were then ferried back into the premiere in the Hogwarts Express.

No. That was incredible. But also it's kind of nice because we have this strangest kind of collection of photos of us that exist that we didn't even know were being taken of us. The weirdest outfits like at early 2000 premieres, like, hi! Like looking absolutely feral because we obviously, we don't have the best taste. No, you see, don't say that about yourself. We have great taste. We have great taste.

It's just not everyone's cup of tea. I don't ever think I look anything other than spectacular. Even when I know objectively I look terrible. No, you look great. You always look great. What was the... Sorry, I got distracted by the thought of Jonathan's outfit that he wore on the last leg a few weeks ago.

What's that I wear on there? Oh, the big jacket. The difference is not trending. The big shoulders. It was a good jacket. That was a fairly modern jacket. But I wore a jacket. I wore an outfit when I did Tipping Point last time.

I love going on those sort of shows. They're great fun. You're so weirdly good at Tipping Point as well. I'm so proud of you. Yeah, but you know what? They do make it. They definitely chase and Tipping Point. They make it easier when the celebs want.

The questions are always a little bit easier. 100%. The trick is in the research chat to act like you are proper thick. Have you ever heard about a guy called Napoleon? And you go, yeah, I've heard of him. Yeah, and waterloo. Anyway, and the first question, where did Napoleon meet his defeat? I went on Tipping Point and I never know what to wear anyway.

And I really care. I just want to be comfortable, to be honest with you. I'm wearing elasticated trousers as we speak. I dug out a jacket that I'd recently got out of one of my cupboards, which was a jacket I bought in like 91, which was a weird, very broad shoulder Jean Paul Gauthier with no buttons. You have to slip it over your head, but it looks like a formal jacket, it was nipped. Some big flared trousers from the same period, a weird shirt, I thought, bingo. Went on there, thought I looked great. Everyone said I looked great to my face.

And then afterwards, I went about, you know the way they do it, if someone says something on Twitter and the newspapers pick it up as if everyone's been saying it. And it was like, tipping point fans, left confused and upset by Jonathan Ross's clothing. You can find this online. It says, one person said, go, he looks like he's dressed in the 90s. Yes, I did. That's when I bought it all. I was trying to look like I was dressed in the 90s.

That was the point I was going for. Honey, do you offer Jonathan advice? When you were kids, did any of your career decisions come to your family? Did any of your clothing decisions come to your family? Clothing and career, oh, that's the two very big and two very different spheres. Definitely clothing. I mean, I don't need to give him advice. He is a fashion enigma. Well, you wear my old shirt right now. I'm literally wearing dad's top right now. I have this top, which is my favorite bit to tell people. I've got this top, which is vintage Jean Paul Gaultier from my dad, but it is a V down to my belly button. That's how deep the V is. And then

it's a lace up. And then people are like, oh, I love your top. That's a bit sexy. And I'm like, yeah, it was my dad's. I'm sorry. I've got to correct you. That was Thierry Mugler. Sorry. Who's that? It's a Thierry Mugler top, which I used to look dynamite in back when I had a waist. Yeah. Now I've got the waist for you. But career-wise, I never consulted you per se. As you've got older, all three of you, I have occasionally said, I've got this guest on and I think it might be a bit of a tricky

area. What do you think is the approach? What are the correct words to use without alienating someone from that world? And often the advice is good. Sometimes it swings a little bit too far in one direction. Then I would maybe be comfortable with, not from you so much, but certainly career-wise, I did make a decision based on I was offered quite a big talk show in America years ago.

And I turned that down, partly because the main reason is I didn't want you guys to grow up in America. Yeah. My mom and I talked about it. I'm grateful for that. And we just thought, I didn't want you guys to grow up in America. Yeah. My mom and I talked about it. I'm grateful for that. And we just thought, I don't want you to grow up. But we love America, don't we? We do love America.

I love America, but I love being alive more. I didn't want you to grow up where when you go to school, you go for a metal detector. Yeah. And also the other reason why I didn't take it is I would have had to work harder. They wanted me to do five shows a week and I had to keep Saturday clear for meetings for like 44 weeks of the year. And the BBC was saying, I tell you what, you do one show a week for 40 weeks. I'm like, yeah, you know which one I'm going with that one.

Yeah. We've always factored you in to an extent and I've always been, I consider myself very lucky. I mean, obviously I've been lucky in many ways, but in my career, what's the most beneficial for me as a sort of like, just as a human being connected with you is that the working hours we have in TV aren't regular working hours, or they very rarely are. They are for a handful of people.

If you're certainly behind the scenes you are, but if you're front of camera, you have much less of an early start and much more of a late finish every day. When I was doing my heaviest workload at the BBC, even then I didn't have to leave to go to work before I dropped you guys at school. Yeah. You always missed school.

So I was there most mornings. And more often than not, I could be there to either collect you from school, or at least be home when you got home. Unless I was on a studio day, because I used to do the film show, we recorded that in the middle of the afternoon. The only thing that really impacted was when I did that radio show about 11 years, and that was every Saturday morning live. I used to feel bad and good. I impacted was when I did that radio show about 11 years and that was every Saturday morning live. I feel bad and good. I felt bad because I knew that mum was after a fine time with me and I felt good because I could be away from all of it. Three or four blessed hours.

Unbelievable. But I remember when you used to do the radio show, you would like do a tribute song to us. You'd know we'd be in the car driving. You'd be like, this one goes out to Honey and Jane, like on their way to wherever we were going. I like that's so sweet. Even when you're working, you'd find a time to kind of acknowledge our existence. I bet Ramesh won't be doing that. One of the great things about your kind of partnership on the podcast is you can feel the difference in generation attitudes wise. I'm trying to

I'm just how to frame that. I didn't realize before, but this is good cop, bad cop, isn't it? Rob tends to be a simple person. You pretend to have depth. Deep cop, shallow cop. that's what we play. That's real talk. How often do you end up in arguments about kind of... No, we don't argue. I don't think we've argued for years. I think occasionally we've had family tension around films, but that's more to do if someone

has, when we've been along with someone else in the family and they really hated the movie and then if people are praising it and you see them simmering in the back of the van thinking, we've had that once or twice. We did have one big fight about, not when we were doing the podcast, but we had a big fight about Dan Stevens in the film The Guest. You know what though, hun? I think that was more- That was about other things. It wasn't about that. It's always about other things.

It's never about Dan Stevens. It's about real stuff. It's always about other things. It's never about Dan Stevens. It's about real stuff. And then we haven't dealt with the real stuff and it comes out via Dan Stevens. It's like any other person normally saw it else who's brewing. You know what, I'm much calmer now than I was say 20 years ago. I mean, 20 years ago, I'd probably struggle but having done the film show for like 10 or 11 years and other stuff, that was an interesting thing for me because I went through a period

of first of all thinking I really have to lay down my opinion and I have to be really certain about it and I felt like I almost had to be unswervable that people couldn't talk me out of it. I had to be so convinced I was right. And as I started getting through it, I began to get much more circumspect and thinking, okay, you know what? Here's a film that didn't work for me. That's all it is. It just didn't work for me. I hope it works for you. So you get much gentler in your kind of critical reaction to something where you're saying, okay, well, this is what I didn't like. It's not Oppenheimer. I really do not get the fuss about Oppenheimer. I think it's a film which seems superficially intelligent. It's got

bad casting. They shouldn't have cast a non-Jewish person as Oppenheimer or Einstein. The supporting writing is terrible. None of the characters are fully developed. The plot itself trickles off towards the end of some bullshit about whether or not he gets reinstated to his job. Who cares? He's blown up off the planet. Finally, they shy away from showing you the true horror of what he did, which I think is them really chickening out and wanting to have their cake and eat it. You see his reaction to what he realized he did, but we're not allowed to see it. And so it failed as the movie tried to open the door to what is probably a much needed debate right now about the proliferation of nuclear weapons. But having said that,

it looks great, it sounds great. Watch his name Killian looks great with the cheeks and the eyebrows and all that. It's all fine. And I'm thrilled people like it. And I'm really pleased it did so well because it is at least an attempt at making movies which are different. I like superhero films. I like blockbusters. I love a good Jason Statham, but I want cinema to have a bit of everything and that's how we continue it. Do you think you've softened in that? Yeah, I've softened because what I'm saying is now, when someone says they love Oppenheimer to me, I'm genuinely pleased they liked it. I don't feel affronted. Whereas I remember

having a major, remember that big row I had with David Baddiel? I'm not sure I'm. We're like an old couple. You're like an old married couple. He loved the film Pearl Harbor. I thought it was just awful. I maintain my opinion still that it's barely watchable, fake historical nonsense. He loved it.

We had a big row almost ending at the summer fire. We had another big row about 28 days later. David Baddiel? Yes. Should he be here instead? We were on holiday once. You were there. And I admit I was being pedantic. Did they do a deal? Yes. Should he be here instead? We were on holiday once. You were there.

You were having a row. And we had such a big row. I had to leave our hotel room, go out and knock on Easter and carry on. I went, no, I'm not finished. He said it was a zombie film. And I said, no, it's not a zombie film. And I know what he's saying in a way. It is a zombie film, but they're not zombies in it.

It's kind of a zombie film. Yeah, but they're not dead. Zombies are the undead. I don't think they can get better. They've got a virus. It's basically a COVID film. You're safe. It's all right. Anyway, what I'm saying is I wouldn't have that kind of reaction now. No. I'm quite surprised at how often we agree on things, especially when we're talking about films. I think our taste is so kind of linked, like generationally

linked. We're so connected with the things we like, but then obviously our tastes diverge because you love like John Wick and like- Born Identity, who's your other one? Who's your favorite guy? Born Identity. Born Identity is your favorite, but who's the other one? Mission Impossible, bit like. That genre, you love that stuff. Okay, they've gone off the boil. Jack Reacher. Jack Reacher is your favorite.

Jack Reacher. Come on, don't we all love Reacher? I was reaching for Reacher. I like a bit of Reacher. Honey, do you think that you get on because you're similar or you're different and that's why you get on? What do you think it is? Because you've got such a relaxed sort of bond. It doesn't feel like you clash too much, but is that because you're the same or different? Oh, I think it's somewhere in the middle. I think I'm such a direct split of my parents.

Obviously, that's how it works genetically. I feel like I really am. We get on very well. We just have a lot in common. I would say- I'm just very, I don't want to fight. I'm very conflict, I don't want to fight. I'm very conflicted by us. So if someone says like, I've bloody hated that, I'll go like, okay,

that's all right. Like that's fantastic. Like I liked it, but whatever floats your boat, you know? The thing is I respect you and I respect your opinion. Thank you. If I didn't respect your opinion, I wouldn't do it with you. Oh, and he wouldn't. I know that. You definitely wouldn't. You can't fake it. You wouldn't want to fake that. You definitely wouldn't. Life's too short. When you were growing up and now, is it the same or was it different with like, if you've got a

problem, do you go to mom or do you go to dad or can you go to both? And did that change from being younger to now? It depends on the problem. I was literally going to say the exact same thing. It really depends on the problem. It depends on the problem. I was literally going to say the exact same thing. It really depends on the problem. It depends on the kind of advice I know I need. I'm the sane one. Jane's the emotional one. That's one way of putting it. That's a way of posing it. Sure. If I want no nonsense like this is what you've got to do, like tough love, I'll go to dad. If I want like my sweetheart, my gorgeous baby angel, don't worry, like blah, blah, blah, I go go to dad. If I want like, my sweetheart, my gorgeous baby angel, don't worry, like

blah, blah, blah, I'll go to my mum. If I want to be like gently coddled, which I often do, I will go to my mum. But if I want someone to be like, back in the 80s, I did this and you know to do this because of that, like that's who I go to for that kind of thing. Yeah, I turn into a bow boy. The old filing cabinet story comes out again. When he moved to cabinet in 1953. The amount of times I've heard about that filing cabinet. Many more stories about my days in the removal world if you're interested. He lost a fingernail lifting a filing cabinet.

This is the truth. I did a bit of decorating once. That's what coving fall on my head. Not the coving. And what about discipline? What was Jonathan like as a disciplinarian? I was such a people pleaser as a child. You didn't really need to discipline me that much. Is that like an incorrect take? I feel like... Was you a goody two shoes at school then, honey? Was you a bit like getting

your homework done on time? Oh, bingo. Very polite. My superlative in my yearbook was biggest teacher's pet. Like I am such a people pleaser. It's not just your people pleaser, you're also a very good, bright, attentive student. I am. I really loved the learning of school. I think the thing that I didn't love at school was the social part. I had great friends at school, but I was like, oh, why can't we just

focus on the work? I was so annoying. I can say that wholeheartedly. I was a little bit annoying. I don't know how you were at school. You weren't annoying at home. The good thing is we didn't really have to discipline them much. They were never out of control, even as young kids, older kids. Sometimes there was tension for many years between you and your brother. Yeah, that was- And that was sometimes difficult to manage.

But then that was more his reaction to you that was tricky sometimes. But once again, it wasn't an overwhelming, it wasn't like it was ever present. I think that's a different one. I think with, you know what, with the discipline stuff, I saw my sister, my older sibling, had like a bit of a kind of crazy teenage period. And I think I saw you guys reacting to that and kind of doing the parenting there. And I learned from those mistakes without having to make them myself. But that's not, with that being said-

And even then, you know, she didn't go so far off the rails. Never. But there were just a couple of very preside, very predictable things that kids do, you know, like going out and I mean, we drove home one day and she wasn't involved. This is insane. We drove home one day and we saw some kids and we thought it was Betty, but we saw a bunch of kids outside her house because we live opposite this thing called the Heath Extension.

And we saw these kids and they were clearly drunk. We thought, oh my God. You were picking me up from a birthday party as well. Yeah, and they gathered near her house because they knew Betty was there. But she wasn't even there. And they'd been on the Heath drinking, what's that cheap vodka, Glens? Like Glens. Glens.

Nitten. Except it was a YouTube by Glens. They had bottles that were drinking neat Glens. And then the whole ship faced. And they'd gone over, see Betty, I think just somewhere hang out. And we'd driven home and like, what's going on? They were like, and so we said, oh my God. And they were really wasted.

One of them had almost passed out. So we took them all in the house. We've got to get you home to your parents. One of them, so we took upstairs and laid down on the bed and said, keep an eye on her because she was like, and when she came to, because we didn't find out where the parents were, so we got your kids here. The parents were angry with us. We said, they were not in our house. We went up there, we found them in the street. We're doing you a service here. Literally roaming the streets. And that was when one of them was outside and she went to me, oh, she was coming, she

went, you know my uncle. I went, oh yeah, what's his name? She went, uncle Monkle. I went, that's right, let's get you in the car. Uncle Monkle. And so Betty did do a bit of drinking, not in that situation, but- But that was like the extent of it. So I saw that and was like, I don't necessarily want to do that. But then I obviously ended up like, as a teenager drinking too much, you'd have to pick me up from a party. You did throw up out the window of the van once. Pure lambrini, pure pink lambrini out the side of the car window.

Remember that time, there was someone who I won't name them, but someone who came over who was someone who we knew via mum's work. Oh my God. And she was a bit of a handful. and she encouraged you guys to steal a bottle of booze from the house. Steal a big old bottle of spanoff. And I found out it was gone. You're all about 14. We're all about 14, 15.

Okay. And we don't, cause I don't drink. There was, wasn't, I was drinking. So if there was a bottle of vodka, it was normally there for like two years until Johnny Vegas came out. And so it was gone. I was like, that'shunt. Then Honey immediately came and it was like, no, we took the vodka. I don't know. We took the vodka. We took the vodka. I didn't get it. We took the vodka. Vegas, you just sat. Always. We obviously didn't care about the loss of the vodka, but we didn't want underage kids drinking on our watch. But you weren't troublesome and you weren't difficult at all.

No, I was a nice girl. There wasn't really the need for this, but there was sometimes a need for some sort of like, I mean, more like I think there was the desire to protect you and support. It's more emotional coaching, I think. Which came from? My mother? Yeah. Yeah.

What's been the best and worst advice he's given, honey? Oh, God, that's a really good question. It's a big question though, that one. Best advice, I haven't really given you that much. I've given you advice about specifics. I think you definitely, like I've come to you going like career-wise, should I do this kind of thing? Should I do that? And you were like, maybe nobody that. And that's always good advice. I think because you've lived it, you've done it.

I don't have a lot of good advice to give people. I mean, you give me a piece of advice the other day going, don't invest so much in your friendships. I was like, what? To me, that's not great advice because I love my friendships. I love having friends. I like the open feelings. But you're like, oh, To me that's not great advice because I love my friendships. I love having friends. I like the idea of you. But you're like, aw, Hooney's friend. Oh, come on.

Had you had another David Baddiel, Jonathan? Were you reeling from another Paul Howard Baddiel? Here's the thing. Friends are like seasons. They come and go. they may come again. Maybe you'll have a bad winter. But don't let that be all of it. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Self-reliance is very important. And there are a handful of people in your life are going to be always there. You're always going to be involved with, you're always going to, and sometimes you're going to be saying, why can I not pull away from this person? It's because you have a love or a bond, which is very deep. I'm talking about your mother. But there will be friends who come and go. And it's like,

it is great, but you can't, I think any young person, you can't allow yourself to be worried all the time about what they think or what you should do for them or what you should do with them. You know, you've got to enjoy them. It's got to be a very equal relationship. And sometimes I think you give a bit too much of yourself to your friends and they don't give as much back. So that's kind of what I meant by that. Definitely in the past. I think I've now got really good friends and it's completely 50-50 give and take. You have had some fucking asses. I've had some real wattas in my life.

So Harvey has some, Betty had some wattas as well. Betty had some real wattas. Harvey, very much like you, keeps himself to himself. He's a good boy. Harvey has a handful of close friends and they still hang out together. They're such sweet friends. How do you deal with that though? At the time, honey, obviously you just think these friends are great and you're 15, 16 and you've got your friends. Jonathan, you're going, I've marked her card, she's not a very nice friend, but you can't do or say anything. You sort

of have to let honey find out for herself. No, what you do is you quietly exclude those ones from things. So you say, you're in verse four round, I would suggest, why don't you invite so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and

so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and and so and so and so and so and so We don't take a random dislike to someone, because of their haircut. And when you point out someone, normally they have an inkling anyway. Yeah.

I'm very aware of when a friendship is souring. And I'm also not afraid to end a friendship. Like I'm pretty, I'm actually a bit too good at ending a friendship. I'll just, I'll go, I'll go shh, out of there. Which is not my favorite quality of myself, but it has to be done. No, I think you shouldn't feel too guilty

about not a friendship waning, but you shouldn't take it to heart if it wanes from the other side either. It's you come in alone, you go out alone. That's why I look at it, you know. My opinion, don't start a friendship. I do think friendship's a bit overrated sometimes. Oh, come on, it's great. This is such a man conversation.

I feel like male friendship. I love friends. I love them. You've got too many friends, Josh, I think. Josh, I think we're on the same feel like male friendship. I love friends. I love them. You've got too many friends, Josh, I think. Josh, I think we're on the same page. Exactly, we should be friends. Got an opening for new friends, come on. Rukka, are you all friends?

Everybody's bickering with the deal. Like it doesn't have to be like that. My understanding of Jonathan Ross, when you would have been growing up, honey, was that from what was going on on your chat show, Jonathan, and you were saying Johnny Vegas would come out, you had a lot of famous friends. But not friends, no.

Acquaintances. Acquaintances. People who I like and are well disposed to. But here's the deal, and that's a fair, I think that's a very honest assessment to have on life. Yeah, that is the fair distinction. Like you two, I like both of you. Yeah.

You're not really friends because we're not like, how often do we actually hang out? Yeah. Yeah. We don't. I've seen Rob much more than Josh, for obvious reasons. You know what I'm saying? We moved a few filing cabinets together. And I offer you my friendship and I feel you are well disposed towards me. But when I'm saying about friends, I'm talking about people who you phone up like every day almost, or you hang out with at least once a week. I hadn't seen David

for a couple of weeks, David, but he's probably my closest male friend. But I phoned him the other day. So we could have 10 minutes and we wound up having an hour on the phone, just talking shit about people and making each other laugh. With no specific plan at the end to get together, it was like loosely, we will obviously see each other again. So I'd probably do the same next week, or he'd do the same to me. And so there's a handful of kernel of people who you surround yourself with who are your real friends and other people. But I am, I'm generally very open to liking people. I like people. What about WhatsApp? Is there a family WhatsApp? Are you? Because that's what a lot of friendship is now is, you know, WhatsApp groups. That's how you stay in touch with a lot of people. You don't see them that much, but you're WhatsApp them when you see a funny thing or,

you know, whatever. Once again, that's an odd sort of modern social relationship. And that is sort of replacing friendship. But in my mind, that isn't friendship. Sharing a picture of a dog biting a postman is great, but it's not a genuine person actually, Jonathan. Post person. Sorry. Post person means after a person you become this thing. Yeah, that's another debate. You know, I'll send you memes and stuff all the time. WhatsApp group. I probably do. I probably communicate my because I find that sort of casual. I should very easy. Very comfortable. Yeah, I was going to say because you've shown me I remember once my dad showed me his phone and went like, look at this video. And he'd sent like a weird video of him like doing

like a little dance just to like five really random people. It's like Sir Alan Sugar. Like you just like, send out something, get it back. Keeping in touch. I know. And that's his level of friendship. Sugar, Sugar, as I call him, likes to receive the occasional, me and Alan we have a relationship where we basically only touch like twice a year and I really like Alan Sugar. He'll be out somewhere, he flies his own little plane.

He flew out to see me once, we were in Haaston, Florida. In the middle of nowhere in Florida. In the middle of nowhere, he said I'm down there and it was very sweet because he was worried about me post-Saxgate and he wanted to check in me. So he flew his little plane up to see me. I'd gone picking up from his little plane and Jane said, don't bring him home. Oh, a home was always an escape. Because our home was always an escape. She just didn't want to hang out. I said, I understand.

We went to a local restaurant and I drove back to the plane. I watched him fly off. I was like, bye. It was so weird. It's like Casablanca. It's beautiful. When he's out shopping somewhere, if he sees really, really horrible clothing, he'll send me a picture and say, what's your size? How many do you want? He'll send me like pink crocodile shoes, which by the way, I have a pair of pink crocodile shoes. He sent me a pink crocodile shoes, a big bucket, he went got your name all over it.

it went, got your name all over it. Yeah, because you had the big massive parties, Halloween. You get invited by loads of people around and stuff like that, but they're just friends from the industry. Well, they are friends. I think there's tears to quality of friends. There's the friends you speak to every single day when everything's going wrong. And then there's the friends where you're like, oh, let's get dinner sometimes and all come to my big Halloween party. Yeah. Well, the Halloween party started as a party for you kids. It used to be incredibly tiny. It was just for you kids and your school friends.

It was just me and my friends. It was only when you got to sort of like close to adult age, we realized because we could make the party a bit more grown up, then we started inviting adults. But we were doing a party just for the kids at home. And you would always rent a costume, like one year dad dressed up as a mummy, like wrapped himself in toilet paper. No, that year I rented seven costumes that I hid at spots around the garden. Oh my God.

And did a treasure hunt for you. Your grandmother was in a caravan at the opportunity to be a witch. Who also talked about our menstrual cycles. Very odd. It was very odd. She was kind of like a menstrual cycle witch. She went, and one day womanhood will strike you down. And we're like, okay, whoa.

I spoke to her afterwards. I said, grandma, go and stick to the script. Really? They're seven. That's a long way off. Literally, they were seven. She was talking about menstruation to the girls and it's like, you are scaring them in the wrong way. I had a really bad cold that night. I remember because I could smell my own breath in the mummy costume. You know when you got a really bad cold and you're confined, you go, oh Jesus, that's what's coming out of me. So I dressed as a vampire one bit, chased them and then quickly while they were distracted by the menstrual witch,

I went down, slipped out of that costume, bunged it, put the mummy one on, I was ready as the mummy. They went down there, went around the corner, I was a wolfman. I did all these different costumes. The wolfman. I love that it's like a Jewish fernum. I miss the wolfman. I love that. It's like a Jewish wolfman. One of the things I remember listening to your Radio 2 show, or you might be on Virgin as well, like when I was growing up. I started on Virgin and then I went onto Radio 2. So I was Virgin for about two or three years, did a Sunday show, I think. And then I did the Saturday on Radio 2. Because one of the things I remember listening

to that show, I don't know what it was, was it was a Mother's Day one. And you were speaking to your mum and you discussed when she found your pornographic magazines when you were growing up. Oh no, I didn't know this. I mean, you say magazines, I think I possibly had one magazine. One magazine, sorry. Was it probably shared between you and your five brothers? No, it wasn't shared. There were sketches really in that day, weren't there?

Well, it was a clay tablet. It was a pam flick. Just from a certain angle, you can imagine you could see. Obviously, you've got a very open relationship with your mum in that. Is that a kind of feeling of the same in your household? Well, Honey's generation are very sex positive in the way that we weren't. So they talk more openly about sex and so on. But Honey used to have to endure and I feel bad for you.

Because when sometimes, I used to do a lot more interaction with the audience during the show when I was on the BBC and before the show as well. And it was much more of a kind of broader comedy talk show than what we do now. People answer questions on that one, didn't they? As opposed to... Yeah, you're supposed to sit in there staring. And I remember I would sometimes joke and I had a couple of kind of true, but I thought funny anecdotes about my sex life with your mum. But you're quite open with stuff like that.

We're so open. I don't talk to her about sex in a way like I don't say, hey, get in any, you know, if you don't have a chat like that. If you did, I'd block your number. I hope she's doing whatever she wants with her life. Thank you. In every area. That's all I hope.

And I hope she feels the same way for me. You know, it's like, I hope she's happy and fulfilled in any area she wants with her life. Thank you. In every area, that's all I hope. And I hope she feels the same way for me. You know, it's like, hope she's happy and fulfilled in any area she wants to be. Stop saying area, Jonathan. We're really open and especially like, I think we were never the kind of family that felt like, because like if a sex scene came on in a film, I mean, you would sometimes pretend like cover my eyes. As a joke, I would cover your eyes. We like, we're pretty open about that kind of thing, especially on the podcast.

Like, we've had a lot of weird conversations about Napoleon and his micro penis. We're pretty comfortable having conversations about bodies and sexuality. When you've got health issues or mom's got health issues, which are more of a womanly nature, you talk about very openly in front of me and I'm not so squeamish. It's not like we have areas either based on our relationship as father, daughter, or as family or as the different sexes. Nothing really feels like- You raised me quite like Scandinavian, like quite naked household, like quite like desexualized bodies. Like, we don't think it's helping.

Yeah, we used to wander around. Like if we're in the bath, getting out of the bathroom, we wouldn't like, oh, when the kids came in. There was never shame around that. But we weren't, certainly weren't forcing our nudity into their bedrooms. No. We were never closed off and not talking about subjects when we were. and I think hopefully you aren't with us either if you feel the need to. No, I like that you kind of demystified things. It's a healthy way to do it, I think. I think

some people are so like, oh my God, we can never talk about that. It's like, actually, we've all done it. Come on, we're all grown ups. I think it's healthy. Good for you. Flex. That's showing off that. So your podcast, Real Talk, you can get it everywhere basically and it's you chatting about films and what's coming up. A lot of podcasts go live. Any plans to do a live show together? We would love to.

Once we get an audience. We would love to do a live show. That'd be great. I think it would be fun. Would you like it though? You'd be more anxious than me. I'd be fine. Would you?

I'm a big girl. I'll take my meds. You could do it the way though you could introduce a film and you watch the film and then talk about it in the middle and after and stuff like that. I think that'd be fine. I'm a big girl. I'll take my meds. You could do it the way though, you could introduce a film and you watch the film and then talk about it in the middle and after and stuff like that. I think that would be lovely. Yeah, no. I mean, I think certainly if people wanted to do a new fancy doing it, I would do that. I would absolutely do that. But I think we just enjoy talking about films and we enjoy

being with those people. We're geeky. We like the geeky crowd who just want to get really nerdy about specific directors. that's really fun for us. But also we like talking about, we've started doing a little bit more at the beginning of each show about our lives and our week. And I've found that very useful as a way of dealing with issues with your mother that I can't actually talk to a director. Welcome to our world. The thing is, yeah.

Is this therapy for you guys? 100%. I can hide behind you. It's like our usual is an excuse a lot. So I get home and if I just can't be bothered, Jane wants to go through some admin again. It's like, just pay whatever it is. Forget about it. She does do more admin than any human I've ever known. I think we've been overcharged by seven pounds. I don't fucking care. So I'll say, I've got

to watch this thing because I'm doing this thing with Honey on the podcast. And because I'm doing it with you, it's like, oh, of course. If I was saying I've got to watch this thing because I'm doing this thing with Honey on the podcast. And because I'm doing it with you, it's like, oh, of course. If I was saying I've got to watch this thing for work, it'd be, well, I need to do this. But I'm watching this thing because Honey, great. Because you guys love me more than you. They do. They do. Mums do.

You are far more lovable than me. I am delightful. No, it's such a good excuse. It's an amazing, if I need to get out of anything, I'm like, I'm so sorry guys, I've got so much to watch for the podcast. It's a amazing, if I need to get out of anything, I'm like, I'm so sorry guys, I've got so much to watch for the podcast. It's a dream come true. The other week when I was talking about her going on and on about some bloody pots and pans she wanted to buy, I said, just buy it.

And I have to go, they look great. They look great. She said, well, actually, what about these ones? Oh yeah, they look great. Would you not prefer the other ones? Yeah, no, I think I prefer the other ones. Well, these ones are lighter. Oh, good, good, they give the lighter ones.

Yeah, but these ones, oh, they're very expensive. Okay, okay, these ones will suck. Get the good, good. Look at the lighter ones. Yeah, but these ones, oh, they're very expensive. Okay, okay. These ones will suck. The ones on sides. I never want to fucking hear the word pot again in my life. And I can't, if I raise this with that, we'll be like, well, you know, I want you to, so instead I tell that sort of story in the podcast. And then I'm sitting in the car when Jane listens to it because she likes listening to our podcast and she'll laugh along. Yeah. I go, whew.

It's a good way to release the pressure. Let the gas out. No more pot talk. No more pot talk. Do you two now struggle with the films? Because me and Rob would go, oh, don't tell me that, save that for the podcast. Is it cut off a whole bit of your relationship and conversation? Luckily, because it's mainly kind of like sectioned off for films, we can just go, we'll start talking about a film and go, ah, no, you know what, save it, keep it fresh. Whereas like, we still send each other like a million videos of like animals doing something cute or people falling over really badly. I like people falling over. He likes people falling over.

Men love people falling over. Sometimes we will talk, we normally, often we see the films together anyway, so we will have a brief chat about them afterwards. But we normally have an idea what the other person thinks about it loosely. Don't we? But sometimes if Honey wants to tell me about something I really haven't seen anything of or it's like the J. Lo film you're talking about, which is extraordinarily bad. I was saying, I can say, I'd like to hear it for the first time. You know what I mean? And you do get a more authentic response, but it hasn't really impacted the amount of kind of a conversation we have really at all. And if anything, it's because we know we're going to see each other once we can do this. And we speak a lot about this. We speak pretty much every day. Which we were doing anyway,

weren't we? We were doing anyway. But I actually think if anything, it's been a real luxury to get to do this with you because I get to spend so much more time with you because you, if you had it your way, would be cocooned in your little office watching a movie. I would respond to a text. You always do. I wasn't saying, but like it's very nice that like I really get to see you. I share an office with my mum, so I always had that bias. Like I got to see my mum every single day. And it's so hard writing. I mean, try it, try it and then we'll talk.

I actually got into the podcast by seeing it pop up on like TikTok and Instagram as clips. It's really like nice to see because it's like, it feels like we've just gone into your living room and the conversation you would be having about a film. So you get a real different take on it rather than, you know. We try not to be too dry and too academic and too kind of filmy. And I mean, hopefully we sort of know our stuff. And I think we do both know quite a lot about film, but we're not trying to show off. It's not a kind of film flex. No. Because I think we both are confident in our understanding of film. We have different

takes on it. I've been in the film industry for nearly 10 years. You've been reviewing and watching forever. I've been doing stuff for at least two years. I've been working. The interesting thing is, I changed my, not changed my view, but I shaped my view. Because there are different sorts of film criticism and film appraisal anyway. There are kind of areas where you want an academic deep dive into the subplots and the meaning, the subtext, the ontology of film itself maybe. And that's kind of like has a very narrow appeal to people. And people who like that know where to find it. And we're never going to serve that up.

Yeah, we're not sight and sound. Yeah, another thing is when it's very, very appraising the film on the supposed merits as seen by that reviewer. We are much more of a kind of knee-joke. Look, the bottom line is if I go and see a comedy and people in the cinema are laughing and you feel the same way, I think, then that film worked. I agree. Yeah. I might not like the jokes. I might not have found it funny, but I can't deny that's because film and you can sense in an action film whether people are engaged with

it and you can sense in a kind of serious movie whether they're responding to it. It's harder in a sad film. I'm glad you've given me a reason not to watch Oppenheimer. I've been looking for that for ages. I would say watch it if you might. Say watch it. Say don't watch it. Rob's never going to watch Oppenheimer. I'm never going to. Did you like Oppenheimer, Josh?

I've not watched Oppenheimer. Just nothing. A lot of people must have seen it more than once because he's made millions. Josh, we did a final question. Yeah, you've kind of answered it already though, because we normally say, what would you say about your partner that if they were listening to this, it's a way to get a message about something that annoys you about them. But you do that on your own podcast, Jonathan. Well, but I'm just going to dive into what you said there. It's not what annoys me about

her. Okay. Because it not what annoys me about her. Okay. Okay. Because it doesn't really annoy me. That's not how it sounded. Now, there are things that annoy me about her. I don't give a fuck, just pay it. I don't hear the word fucking pot again. I would suggest it's annoying. No, no, no. That's what I would suggest.

That's love, Rob. That's love. I was just in that minor irritation. That's a man with no friends who's got so much love to give. That's what I say. I mean, because I do, the thing is the reason why our relationship has survived is because now more than ever before, we do talk about things, Jane and I. So if there is an issue, we would rather put it out there on the table and say, look, there aren't really many because we live in a state of relative equilibrium. She knows who I am and what I'm doing.

I know where she is and what she's doing. We know we're going to be at the end of the day and we're going to be where we want to be, which is together. Right, that's lovely. So really all the rest of it is kind of dealable with. Well, if we put a spin on it for Honey, then we could say about your dad, what's the thing he does as a dad? You go, oh, I'm so lucky he's my dad and he does that. Oh, that's nice. Or vice versa.

And then what's the thing that you go, well, he didn't do that, dad, actually. That does annoy me a little bit. Racism. I think you sometimes say things that are a little spicy for my generation, perhaps, is how I'd phrase it. You're risky. That sometimes makes me a little bit nervous, but I wouldn't change you. I love you for who you are. That's very sweet. and I'm very lucky

to be your daughter. Thank you, baby. Also, it's like it's only ever my fear of just what other people, I know you don't care what other people think, but I think there's always the fear of like, oh, I just hope people don't get you wrong because you are such a pure-souled man. Like he's so sweet. He really is like a golden-hearted man. Don't tell him that. He's very caring and he likes to pretend he's tough.

And I do think that doesn't come across. I am tough, I am tough. No, he's not, he's this big softy. And as a, you know, without going back to your age again, Jonathan, but as younger generations, about three or four generations, me and Josh coming through, you've always been very supportive and helpful

and always try to make us look the best we can, the funniest we can and bigger something, the most on your your show and that doesn't happen a lot and you do do it. It's harder with Josh than with you. Here's the thing, some people just naturally likeable. The thing is, I'm not gonna recover from this Rob, it's over. Josh, I love you and I think you're a very funny man, a very talented man. The truth is that's partly, I think, the way I am, but partly also, I remember when I first started the business and there were quite a few older people who were really quite horrible towards me and this shift in the dynamic. And I kind of understand where that came from because I came to some degree of prominence

about the same time that alternative comedy was first making its run to TV with Ben Elton and Saturday Night Live. They had perhaps been unfairly simplified by the press to them saying, we hate Benny Hill, we hate Les Dawson, we hate mother-in-law jokes. Of course, they were speaking in more broad terms and specifics, but of course, that's how it was in that way that the press simplifies things and polarizes situations. It became that, and I think they were wary of newcomers. And I remember the time thinking, okay, just that sense of not being welcomed and not being given a chance, basically, when I was given a certain platform, perhaps, before I was ready for it. And I was nervous anyway. You know what I mean? You're

nervous. You're starting out, you're doing your first show, you're appearing with someone you've grown up watching. And when you turn up when they're an asshole to you, it's just horrible because it makes it impossible to do the show that night. And it makes it really difficult. And so I remember thinking to myself consciously, I'm never going to be that way. Yeah. If I can avoid it. And I'm also I actually genuinely like seeing new, talented people. I'm more excited about seeing that.

I love seeing people who are still around, of course. But when someone new comes on the scene is good. I'm thrilled for them. I'm also thrilled for us because we've got someone new to enjoy it. It's as simple as that. Why would I pretend otherwise? I don't feel threatened by it. It's like perhaps I should be. No, you're encouraged. You always have been encouraged. I've got a shelf life which will eventually have been used up and it's not the end of the world. It's like that is the nature of being the nature of being well-known and being a performer, you

know. There's celebrity physics. But also that's why it's so nice that when there are newcomers, you've already laid the groundwork and been like, no, I've helped you. You don't hate me. You won't turn your back on me. You know what, going back to an earlier question of like, what's a good piece of advice? That's behavior you've modeled for me that I have always loved.

And now like, I take a lot of young writers under my wing lots like little babies. I'll have onto the coattails of younger people. Clout chase the young. They're going to be more successful. Ride under their wings. And guilt them into thinking they owe you something. Cheaply relevant. Keep that from relevant.

That's what I've been doing. That's the best advice. Yeah, sowing the seeds for the old, get the old bag at the end of the day. Come on. Where's my bad of the day, come on. Oh, that's my bad reaction. Beckett, come on. When you're taking me to Abu Dhabi. That watch buying weekend that your wife knows all about. Oh, that's amazing.

Thank you so much. Good luck with the pod and the live shows potentially. Real Talk is out on, you've got Global Player in big words behind you. They love for global player because if you go on global player, they think you listen to everything else that's on global player, which of course you aren't, but they like to think you will. We'll let them believe that.

But you can get it Apple and all over the place. Go for it. Real Talk, R-E-E-L. R-E-E-L. Thank you for having us guys. Oh no, it's been an absolute pleasure. Thank you. What a joy. Jonathan and Honey Ross.

I love that Josh. You know what? Normally we do, I've got no idea how much Michael used, but I can't imagine much of that got lost because it was all so good. But like normally we do about 50 minutes with people. And we just carried on talking because I was just enjoying it so much. Yeah. And do you know what as well, like you've got a slightly different, more honest side of Jonathan because he's with his daughter. And also Honey is such a good talker and so

interesting and so funny. And I cannot express to you how difficult it is to be interested in sat next to Jonathan Ross. Because he is, he doesn't even pulse a breath. And every story is funny, got a punchline at the end and involves a major celebrity. So it's almost impossible to sort of go light for light with stories and opinions and stuff like that. But she was brilliant. And the podcast is great because you get there like a little almost reality TV moment of them two together chatting about their life. And then you hear Jonathan Ross talking about film,

but then also a younger generation talking about it that will come at it from a completely different angle. And she's also worked in the industry, so it's brilliant. It's accessible film chat as well. Which is so hard to be accessible. But yeah, Real Talk, R REEL with Jonathan and Honey. Get it everywhere, wherever it is. We don't need to promote that. I'd say get it on Spotify. That'd be my thing.

Get it on Spotify. Get it on bloody Spotify. That's my take. Right, Josh, I'll see you next time. Can't wait. Bye.