Rob Beckett and Josh Widdicombe's Parenting Hell - S8 EP28: Lily Allen

Episode Date: April 12, 2024

Joining us this episode to discuss the highs and lows of parenting (and life) is the brilliant, funny, incredibly talented singer-songwriter and actress - Lily Allen. Miss Me? with Lily Allen and Miquita Oliver is available twice a week on BBC Sounds Parenting Hell is a Spotify Podcast, available everywhere every Tuesday and Friday. Please leave a rating and review you filthy street dogs... xxx If you want to get in touch with the show here's how: EMAIL: [e-mail] INSTAGRAM: @parentinghell MAILING LIST: parentinghellpodcast.mailchimpsites.com  A 'Keep It Light Media' Production  Sales, advertising, and general enquiries: [e-mail] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hello, I'm Rob Beckett. And I'm Josh Willicombe. Welcome to Parenting Hell, the show in which Josh and I discuss what it's really like to be a parent, which I would say can be a little tricky. So to make ourselves and hopefully you feel better about the trials and tribulations of modern day parenting, each week we'll be chatting to a famous parent about how they're coping. Or hopefully how they're not coping. And we'll also be hearing from you, the listener,

with your tips, advice, and of course, tales of parenting woe. Because let's be honest, there are plenty of times where none of us know what we're doing. ["The Star-Spangled Banner"] Hello, you're listening to Parenting Hell with... Can you say Rob Beckett? Rob Beckett.

And Josh Widdecombe And Josh Widdecombe? Josh Widdecombe. Very good, well done. Hello, sexy, relatable chaps. I've just finished my parenting hell binge. It took me 11 months starting last April and finishing today, March the 25th. I've rated you five stars, so you'd better play my son as your intro, or it will be a gigantic

waste of my time. This is one of my favorite. This is my little boy Seb, who was two and a half at the time of recording. He's just turned three and frankly, the attitude he gives me is unprecedented. Thanks for all the loves Francesca. 382 months old from Kettering, Northamptonshire. I always think that A-cast of it, you know, does the Kettering song. Yeah. After Jan- Jan-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er out for a night out and I was putting the kids to bed and she always sings a song to the youngest, this little song that I sort of know the song but I don't know it. It's sort of her thing with the youngest and she- It's send you a recording of the song? Yes, she sent me a recording of the song.

Oh, yes, please. What I love is the background noise of her in a restaurant as she's sort of doing this quietly in the corner of a bar or pub or something. So this is the song that she sings. Go to sleep, my baby, close your pretty eyes. It's time for all the boys and girls to go to sleep. Go to sleep, my baby, close your pretty eyes. It's time for all the boys and girls to go to sleep.

Amazing. What I love about that is you can hear in her voice she's just trying to get through it. I know and it's quite awkward that she's probably said to the people at the table, do you mind if I quickly sing this and you stop talking? It sounds like she's on the M25. I would leave the table. What? Maybe she had, I didn't know where she did that. We'll have to ask her. I'd go to the toilet, but then that's a gamble itself.

What if someone came in? You're having a shit, you lull someone to sleep on the toilet. Oh my word. So is this Lou's own song? I don't know where this song's from. She just always sung it to her. And I went, is it this one? And I played it to my daughter. She went, yeah, but not that fast. I thought,

I'm not getting her to relay down the track. So I sang it to her slowly. Little love that. Yeah. Oh, that is good. Shout out to Lou. So Lily Allen today. Yes. We were very excited about this. One of our great musical artists of the 21st century. I love Lillian's music. I think she's criminally underrated. And I also think she's been given a really hard time in the press, especially recently when she's sober now and she's just sort of living her life and putting her kids first and the papers still want to try and give her a bit of shit, which is not ideal.

Yeah, wankers. But you know, it was brilliant. I was very excited. But what hid my excitement was you were super excited and know, it was brilliant. I was very excited, but what hid my excitement was you were super excited, and you kept saying thank you. I know, I know. And it was a bit too, and she even told you off. I know, awkward. But then it's good to be nice.

When I have people on the show that I'm excited by, I want them to know. Not that I'm not excited by everyone, just pick that up. But I think there's, you know. Like Alex Brooker we've had on you see every week and he's our mate that's fella that's fella maybe you started going thank you so much Alex Alex alright who were you most thrilled to be on stroke worried that you were like thank you thank you thank you with

George Foreman I felt very awkward yeah yeah yeah Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Because he's a boxing legend and great. Why are you here, George? Why are you here, George? What contractual obligation do you have to fulfill? Was he on promo? For his film. Oh yeah, it was a film.

It was his film, wasn't it? Yeah. And also as well, he's older. There was a bit of a delay on it and he was in America and he, you know, you're a bit, but he was brilliant. Once you let him go, he's older. There was a bit of a delay on it and he was in America and he, you know, you're a bit like, he was brilliant. Once you let him go, he's let him speak. God, on the subject of promo. Did I tell you this, that Rose was on a train back from Cornwall?

No shit. Guess who got on Exeter? All of the Loose Women. All of them? What are they doing in Exeter? What have they said? It was all of the Loose Women and Mikaela Strachan. Are they fans of Janus? Were they on a hunt for Janus? They were on a hunt for Janus.

And Mikaela Strachan? Yeah. Obviously, they were all just chatting, so Rose was just listening to it. Of course, yeah. You'd televise it, wouldn't you? Yeah, exactly. They went through the issues of the day and they all had differing views. Held up their mug at different points with both hands and went, that's what I think. They dealt with some texting. Yep, a bit of innuendo, a couple of

euphemisms. They said they'd gone all that way to do a six minute VT about being on a zip wire. Anyway, one of the things they were discussing was how no one ever pays people to go on podcasts. Oh really? Yeah. Lovely bit of stuff. Yeah. And I thought, have we had any of those people on? Denise Walsh? I don't think she was there, no. Well, yeah, it's a weird sort of cultural thing of I think, with certain podcasts, if you've got to go into London, and you're sat in a sort of makeshift studio, and they film you, I feel like you should be paid for that. However, if you're promoting your Torah book, and it's done on zoom in your own house, you're not paid to go on radio to or something brunch, whatever you're doing

it for promo. Exactly. And if you won't do it, because you have to be paid, then we'll get someone else. Exactly. I think we're trying to bring people up here, Josh. No, but I do think it's a bit of a piss take if someone's making money off a show that they're putting on YouTube YouTube and Instagram and on things and all that kind of stuff, it can be a bit cheeky because it's sort of like a TV show hidden. Could you just record this for our patrons? You're like, are you fucking kidding me? Well, I went on to a radio show and they went, can you just record this for me?

And it was like, you're listening to the So and So Breakfast Show sponsored by the company. And then after that, some like, they do this. And I went, no, I'm not doing you a little advert, mate. Without getting a bit of, give me a bit of fucking... Give me a bit of the old green box. Slip me a bit of chin-chin-chin-chin-chella. Chedda, I'm trying to say cheddar. It's only bad.

Chin-chin-chella. I went to say chedda and I said chin-chin-chella. Give me a thousand of the old chin-chin-chella and I'll fuck with you and advert for fucking. Liven up me right thigh with a couple of crisp ones, boy. Yeah. Right, here is Lily Allen. It's a great episode, enjoy.

Lily Allen. Hello. Hello, how are you? I'm good, how are you? We're very good, we're very good. Thank you for doing, oh shit. We've already thanked you off air too many times. I told you, if you do it one more time,

I'm gonna get, I'm gonna go. I'm gonna have to be honest with you, Lily. Josh is a really big fan. I'm a big fan of your music to the level. Yeah, but it's a bit too much of a fan. If I ever make a playlist for someone, I'll always put the song Cheryl Tweedy by you on the playlist, I think it's a masterpiece

Is that your favorite me song? No, but you can't put the classics Can you you got a show that you're kind of you got to give them a curveball right when you're making playlists Deep cuts of Lily Allen Deep cuts of Lily Allen So Josh what I would say is he has to get it out early doors or otherwise it keeps saying thank you if I'm a big Fan of someone's work, then I'll just say thank you for coming on the podcast a lot. You know what? This is reminding me. The other day I was on holiday in Kenya and we ran into,

do you know the artist Jack Benyati? Oh yeah, yeah, of course, yeah. Was it Torn on the Platform? Is that what that is song? Yeah. Yeah, and he was talking, I was talking about the olden days and he was like saying, he was like, yeah, God, do you remember the Bush Hall gig? Which was like one of my first gigs.

And I was like, oh my God, you're such a fan. Like, I can't believe you came to those shows. And he was like, I was supporting you, you moron. I was like, no. Awkward. And you just sat on a Land Rover in Kenya, looking at drafts as that goes on. We went on safari. Did you bump into Jack Pren a Land Rover in Kenya looking at giraffes as that goes on. We went on safari.

Did you bump into Jack Preniarty in Kenya? Yeah, we ran into him in a hotel on this island called Lamu. Oh wow. If you're not in Kenya for the safari, what's happening in Kenya? Why are you going there on holiday? I've not heard of it other than safari. You know what, I went there to meet Makita Oliver, my co-host on my podcast. Yeah.

Miss me? She missed me. Are you just making that up for a great segue into the promo? Yeah, I made it up. I'm getting good at this. No, I had been to India with my husband for Christmas because my ex-husband had my children. So we planned this trip for ages and we got there and it was really cold. Oh. Right? Because we forgot to check what hemisphere it was in. Yeah.

I just sort of imagine India's whole the time, but it's not, is it? Yeah. Right. So I went there for 10 days and then I got back and felt like I hadn't really been on a holiday, but I had to wait around because we were applying for our green cards and so we were like waiting for our passports to come back. And Makita was on holiday with her mum in Kenya and I was jealous. So I literally just booked a ticket.

I didn't even ask her. And then I just turned up. No, I did actually call her. I said, would you mind if I booked a ticket and came and joined you? And she said, no, not at all. That'd be great. And I said, good, because I've already done it. So it was that T4 on the Kenyan beach. Exactly. With you three, a little not at all. That'd be great. And I said, good, because I've already done it. So it was that T4 on the Kenyan beach. Exactly. With you three, a little reunion.

Exactly. You've got two children. Love Comma Check, yeah. For our listeners, you've got two children. You live in America, right? I do, yeah. How old are they? 11 and 12. Right. Oh, so near teenager.

Yeah. Okay, that awkward. Do they hate you at this stage? Are they bored of you? Or are they still young and sort of cuddly and sweet? Cause I think you're heading towards the transition. Right, yeah. One of them is very cuddly, the younger one. The other one's not so cuddly, but adores me and is obsessed with me. So I am not there yet.

It's funny because the younger one is like, you can tell that she wants to be a grownup, but she also really still like craves the cuddle, like wants to crawl into bed and watch TV and she's still a baby. And what's it like moving to them to America? Is it a different parenting culture over there or is it? Is it a different parenting culture?

I mean, there's a lot of focus on play dates in America, which is like a bit different. I feel like in England, having your friend over for tea is something that happens like once every couple of weeks or something maybe. Whereas they seem to have play dates like every effing day. And do you have to be there, is it as much bonding for the parents as the kids

or do you just drop them off at the door and then go to the shops for a couple of hours or do you have to be there as well? Usually it will be, if they're going to someone else's house then the parent will pick them up from school and take them to their house. Right. I'll go and pick her up after dinner.

Oh, that's not too bad then. I thought the way you said it was felt like you had to be friends with the parents as well, which I find quite overwhelming. I don't really mind. I kind of keep a bit arm's length, you know? But you want to see the house they're going to, don't you? You want to be able to see where they're going,

but you don't want to have to sit there and have a coffee with someone you don't know. When I forget an address, I like put it in Google Maps and look at the outside of the house. Really? To know where they're going? I'm like, psh.

I think we all do that. You want to know where your kid is, don't you? And I'm like, Marnie, what does Jennifer's parents do? On Zoopla. Oh, I love a Zoopla. How have they got a five bedroom townhouse? Yeah, it's funny. I think everyone does that.

You can't help it, can you? No. It's bad, isn't it? But I think it's just intrigue. I'm the same. If they're going for a hundred percent, I go, oh, would you get the address and I'll pick them up later? Yeah.

And then you're like, let's have a look at that. And then you go, oh, blimey, they put, one million they paid for that last year. What does he do? Or when they turn up in a flash car, you're like, OK. Well, what I find really intriguing is the super flash car, modest house or modest car, mental house. I'm like, what's going on here? Well, really rich people don't do things like buy flash cars or fancy clothes. Yeah, that's what they say about the experts on succession, said the people won't actually

have that good of furnished house or stuff because they're not into it. And for your kids in New York, Lily Allen being their mum, is that a non-event there? Whereas in this country, if Lily Allen's your mum, that's a huge deal. What's it more like in New York? Is it a bit more? I wouldn't say I'm a non-event. No, but you know what I mean? It's not, you know, as being in London

where you grew up, Jack Pena coming in the school going. Yeah. I mean, you know what, actually now, I mean, there are kids that do know who I am at their school. Yeah. You know, sometimes when I walk them home, like there'll be like a little group of girls that like sort of follow us

and then they sort of stare at me at the zebra crossing. And you're wearing a big dress and trainers, obviously. Obviously, yeah. On the score. You're not wearing, yeah. They don't really, although my oldest one, sometimes I catch her listening to my music in her room. Oh, do you?

Yeah, it's quite sweet. And you know, now there seems to be like every so often, one of my songs like has a bit of a resurgence on TikTok. Yeah. Yeah. So, you know, that's quite fun when that happens. And at Christmas, when your Keen cover is everywhere, do they listen to that? A fan of that song, are you?

No. You're not? Lise doesn't like that song. I do like the song and when it's sung by Keane but not me it is very annoying. No we do not listen to that song in my house. We don't listen to any Lilliana music in my house. I've never been like, well actually I like, back in the day when I used to drink and do whatever else then yeah you know I'd be like, have a listen to this that I wrote in the

studio yesterday and everyone's like oh god do we have to? And I, have a listen to this that I wrote in the studio yesterday. And everyone's like, oh God, do we have to? And I'm like, yes, listen to this verse, it's genius. If it makes you feel better, Lily, you win. Oh no, I know where this is going. Josh, this is unfair. He wrote a book about 90s TV and he once started reading out passages of it.

Growing up in the 90s. In the green room of the last leg. Not to everyone, just to the person I was with, I just got sent a copy of the book. And I was like, I'm really proud of this and long story short I don't drink anymore. Yeah, do you know what it's funny because in England we're not meant to do that sort of thing. Yeah. In America you would be expected to do that and that would be celebrated yeah and that's one of the reasons that I sort of live there because I think it's a much more encouraging environment.

Yeah. For people. You don't, people don't cut you down for being like proud of your accomplishments. Yeah. They tend to lift you up. It gets a bit nauseating sometimes, but I think on the whole it's a good way. Way more positive and everyone's sort of like enthusiastic for other people where Britain does want to drag you down. Yeah. But I do think, you know, you've worked hard all day on producing The Last

Leg as a runner. The last thing you need is Josh reading the book. It wasn't a runner, Rob. It was someone I was giving the book to because they'd asked for a copy. But in fact, I go, before I give this to you, yeah, I've signed it. Don't worry about that. Let me read a bit. No, I was just, you know what? I'm sorry for being proud of my work. You should be ashamed. I should be ashamed of everything I've done in my life, Rob.

You should. Like all good English people. Exactly. So do you find like that there's a different culture in the schools and stuff over there? Is it much more kind of, there isn't that kind of enforced humbleness that we have then? What you mean like in their in their style of teaching? Or just in terms of the kids and the culture over there like is it much more like proud of themselves much more kind of positive is that does that come down? Yeah I think so I think it is I think there's a lot more encouragement and also not being ashamed of your failures like people really seem to be into the idea of that failure teaches you things.

Whereas in England it's like, no, you're not good at that, move on, do something else. Whereas in America it's like, you know, what did you learn from that? The neighbors was on twice a day. That's what I learned from Josh's book. I think you just need to move on. No, no, we're learning from your failure. Come on, let's dive into it. Let's be an arrogant about it. So I imagine that for you when you were growing up,

as a teenager wanting to make music, it's way harsher here in the UK with doing that. People are a bit like, oh, she must think she's this and that because she wants to be a musician. Well, it's interesting you say that actually, because people in my life were really shocked when I became quite successful relatively overnight. And the reason they were shocked is because I didn't tell anyone what I was doing. I never really played anyone my music. I never really like no one even knew that I like had met amassed an album's

worth of music. So everyone was like, what do you mean she's number one in the charts? I didn't even know she sang. I think that I didn't tell people what I was doing was because I was so scared of people being like, what are you doing? That's mad, isn't it? That you're working really hard at that and you're a proper good singer, right? So you were... I'll stop you there. Well, get back to New York.

We need to send you back. You're coming to English again. No, I don't think that I'm a good singer. I think I'm a good writer to send you back. You're coming to English again. No, I don't think that I'm a good singer. I think I'm a good writer. Do you not think you're a good singer? No. You are a good singer.

Do you know what you need to listen to? Somewhere Only We Know. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha Christmas, honestly, people are crying to that song every day on Magic. It'll come for you. Literally why I moved out of the book. I went to a bookshop yesterday and they were playing a song of mine called The Fear when I walked in. I didn't notice until I got to the desk and then I was like, do you have the book called Canadonian Road? And the woman looked at me and she went, oh yeah, this is embarrassing. And then everyone in the shop turned around and I was like, thanks, I'm going back.

Oh, God. That would cringe me out as well. You don't get that with comedy, especially the stuff I do. There was something about the interaction that it was like, it was almost like I'd... Yeah. ...it. It was like, oh, look at her coming in here. Oh, come on.

Hi, do you have this book? Me on the radio. You've been walking past, you'd heard your song and you've gone, well, I've got to go in now. I've got to go in now and show them I'm human. That reminds me, I need a book. Actually. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha of disciplinarian parent. I think the other way, I think you're a bit more stricter. You've took about the UK, going to New York, they're in school and things like that.

And you was in and out of school quite a lot. I feel like you're sort of gonna go the other way and go, right, no, I want them in this school, making sure they're going to the same school. Cause it was at 11 schools or something you went to? Yeah, I went to more than that, I think, like 30. I don't think I'm a strict parent, but my parents were not very hands-on.

They both were full-time professionals. And my mom was a single parent, so it wasn't that she didn't wanna be around, it was just that she had three children to put a roof over their heads and food on the table, and she didn't have much help. So she worked all the time and I felt that you know no one really like helped me with my homework or helped me like discover what I was

into. I didn't really have any hobbies. I didn't like I just didn't have that steer in terms of like oh you know you're quite good at piano let's focus on this or like will you play me what you practice. No I just didn't have that so yeah I try and provide as much of that for my kids as possible. And I want them to try everything. But you know, if they don't like it, then they don't have to carry on doing it. They both have like, they see a tutor once a week, each of them. And Marnie plays chess and Ethel does gymnastics and she plays volleyball on a Saturday and there's lots of like after school activities that go on. I'm so bad at maths so Marnie like did this, asked me for some help because David wasn't around and Neva was our nanny

who helps us out and so I had to like sit there and help her with the maths question and we got it wrong three times but then we got it right. And honestly I didn't stop talking about it for a month. It's fifth grade maths, like seriously. Not that big a deal but I was so proud of myself. The eight year old I'm struggling with. It's so hard. I'm actually going to get a dyslexia assessment to work out what it is because I literally can't do it and Lou looks at me going, what do you mean you can't? But I've through the job I do, I've managed to swerve all of that stuff. You just don't need to do it when

you, you know, do you just talk for a living. So what is the subject that you struggle with the most? English. English and maths and putting together proper sentences that aren't sort of like just bullet points basically. So I just leave in bullet points. Yeah, I mean actually when Ethel comes home with like comprehension work, I'm like hmmm. Yeah, that's tricky. Yeah, good luck with that. Just gonna be over here for a bit. When I help I actually can make it worse sometimes because then I give them bad habits. Oh, 100%. That's why I get them tutors because I'm like, this is not...

And also, but they use it against me because, you know, when I would say like, right, come on, sit down, it's time to do your homework. They're like, why? And I'm like, because it's, you know, you've got to do your homework. They're like, well, you didn't even finish school. You did it right. Oh, throw that back at you. Yes, but I want to be a lawyer. I can't because I didn't finish school. Do you worry that when they get to an age where they're going out and stuff, they're

going to go, yeah, but we know that you really went out. What do you mean partying? Yeah. I don't know because both me and David are sober, my husband and. And so they've only they haven't really experienced my alcoholism, thankfully, but they know that we don't drink. I think they've got quite a healthy attitude towards it. You know, sometimes I smoke and they're both very much like get very very cross with me if they know that I do. Like this is meant to be the other way around. Like, do you want a vape? It's triple mango, come on.

Yeah, come on. Come and have a go at it with your mum. Come on, let's stop doing your homework. Let's live a little. It's not really nicotine, it's more sugar. So what is your answer then when they go, well, you didn't finish school, why have I got to do my schoolwork? Because that's going to be thrown at you.

Well, I just say, you know, if you finish school and you go to college, it gives you more opportunities. I was like, you know, you might be convinced that what you want to be is a gymnast right now. And that's great. But it might, you know, you might break your leg when you're 19 years old and not be able to do gymnastics anymore. So wouldn't it be good to be able to pivot and say, well, you know, I'm also really into like Greek mythology. Yeah. What's the Greek mythology. Yeah. What's the Greek mythology, Rope? Well, where does it lead you?

Yeah. I don't know actually. Yeah. The classics. The classics. I don't know, where does that lead you? I mean, I guess. Being an academic, being an academic, I suppose.

You can be Mary Beard. Yeah. No, I say that because one of my kids is really into Greek mythology, so that's good. Do you respect Makita Oliver having a dog for one night? Do you respect having a dog for one night and telling her mum that she now gets it? What parenting's like? I mean, I respect it because it's so outrageous, but I have to respect the ridiculousness of it

to a certain extent, but yeah, it's not the same, Makeda, sorry. So your podcast you do with Makeda, it's sort of you catching up as friends, like on the show. So you must be living very different lives and you're in New York with these two kids that you're sitting down in a homework doing play dates. And sort't got kids, she's just got a dog and she also loves

being lifted really high and fed peas we found out a minute ago. She does love being up high and she loves being lifted. Yeah, so it's like, you know, obviously your mates forever and you get on but you find sometimes she was moaning about stuff and you're like, okay, right, yeah, you're just, you know, where you've got so much going on with the kids. Yeah. Okay, fair enough. No, I mean, when we went into this, I was like, you know, a bit trepidatious about, you know, I knew that Meketa doesn't have another part

of her life that's pulling her away from her work in the same way that I do. So, no, I did worry that like the podcast might do really well. I don't think there was any danger of that happening, but I did worry that it was, you know, that and that suddenly like that, you know, there'd be like a load of opportunities that came with that, some of which I'd have to turn down. And I thought, is she going to be pissed off with me because I'm not able to do this cover of this magazine or do this or do this with her and she wants to do it But that hasn't happened yet. And now she's got a dog. She knows

I don't know if you was misquoted But you said by having kids sort of does impact your pop career because you want to be present for the kids Has that been a bit of a conflict because we have a lot of listeners where you know It is family career and especially more so for women It does have a bigger impact as that's been a difficult sort of thing to juggle. I mean, I think it's, yeah, it is. I'm not going to like beat around the bush. It is hard. Yeah, it's difficult for me because I work in the creative industries and usually,

you know, with creativity, it's not like something comes to you between the hours of 10.30 and three o'clock in the afternoon. Actually, in terms of working hours in the studio, it tends that sessions usually are in the afternoon going into the nighttime. So it's been hard in that sense, and that's just the creative process. Then there's talk about touring.

I mean, it's impossible. So yeah, it has negatively impacted what I did do. But I've sort of changed the goalposts. You know, now I did a play three years ago, which I got nominated for an Olivier for. And then I did a TV series in called Dreamland for Sky. And then last summer I did another play called The Pillow Man. So I tend to be a mum from like September to June for the school year and then for the summer I'll take a job that lasts sort of three or four months. And do you enjoy acting more than you enjoy the music or is it just more practical in

terms of kind of your life now? I think that acting on the stage people always say you know is it like singing and I think actually it's not. It's more like writing being on the stage because you're telling a story from start to finish over the course of one evening. So to me, that's more like, you know, creating a song from its inception to the finish. You know, you're trying to get a point across that's got a start and a middle and an end. And I really enjoyed that. I don't know how much I love the TV thing. All the people that I was working with were great, but I do have quite a bad ADHD and I, not bad, severe. And so I find it quite hard like jumping from scene to scene when they've got no

correlation. So it's like, you know, you're doing something that happened three weeks ago, and then you're doing something that's more current. It's just that I find that sort of bittiness of shooting drama and TV a bit discombobulating. But I like the people and I like how nice I look after the grade. It's very slow isn't it filming for TV like it just so much of it's just sitting around kind of not being engaged and then suddenly you have to be really engaged with what you're doing. Yeah and I also feel just like it's in my nature to feel like I have to like entertain all the time so when you're like waiting around in your trailer and I just feel like the court

jester I'm like, oh no, make everyone laugh and that's a bit exhausting. Yeah, me and you are both the same like no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no on tour with you, Rob, that you basically took yourself away and I was like, I'm gonna steal that. Yeah, reserve my energy. But then that didn't work out for you, so you just started reading excerpts of your book.

That was beforehand. It's all been a journey. It's all been a journey. Your kids listen to some of your songs in their bedroom and that getting to know what you've put out. Obviously you've written your book, which I thought was an amazing book that you wrote, but you speak really honestly about your childhood and your parenting and things like that, and some of it's quite

heartbreaking, some of the stuff you're reading there, and you know, I don't know you, but if they get to that age where they're going to want to, if their mum's written a book, they're going to want to read it, and there'll be some quite heartbreaking stuff. Are you worried about them reading that book? No, I think that like, honestly is the best policy, right, and I think that they're probably reading that book or? No, I think that like, honestly is the best policy, right? And I think that they're probably get to a point in their life where they'll want to read that book and it will hopefully make sense of their world a little bit more. They'll be like, oh, I realize why she's such a fucking psychopath in that area. Or, you know, I realized why she couldn't do this

or she was like, you know, there were sort of shortcomings at this, you know, there'd be things that the puzzle will start to make sense for them. I hope. I mean, that was one of the reasons that I sort of wrote it was because, A, I've got a really bad memory and there's so much from that period in my life that is documented that isn't true. And so, I wanted to have something that they could refer to that was like my version of events in case something happened to me, you know, because if I, you know, got hit by a car or something, I didn't want them to be like sifting through Daily Mail articles to find out who Tommy was. And that's what's out there, right? So I felt like I'll write a book

and they can have that, which is my truth. That is one of the best sort of biographies I've read in years. Oh, it's incredible. And there's some bits in it that are just kind of mind blowing about you growing up, like the bit where the bus turns up to bring you back from school and there's no one there

and so you go get taken back to Cheltenham or wherever it was. Somerset. Somerset, even further. Oh, even further. Oh, it's heartbreaking. Does a lot of that stuff really inform what you're doing now as a parent?

Do you think I don't want my children to have those same experiences that I had? Absolutely. I mean, I can't even like fathom the idea of that happening to one of my kids. I just wouldn't. I just wouldn't. It just wouldn't happen.

Yeah. It's just so. Yeah, you just. So. But listen, you know, it wasn wouldn't happen. Yeah. But listen, you know, it wasn't my mom's fault. My mom sent somebody to pick me up and it was fucked up. So, but you know, she didn't know that that person was quite irresponsible. So I guess it was sort of a little bit of her fault. But yeah, you know that those things like that left a real mark.

And I, you know, listen, I'm not there at the school gates every day. I do have a nanny that helps me out, but you know, I'm there for every, you know, sports day. I'm there for every parent's evening. I'm always doing homework. I cook them dinner like at least three or four times a week. And we all sit around the table and I make a Sunday roast every Sunday without fail.

So I also just can't imagine just, I can't even really imagine sending them to boarding school, to be honest. Like I can't even really imagine sending them to boarding school to be honest. Like I think it's such a weird concept, boarding school. Yeah, I can never get my head around it. No, it's bizarre. Have you spoken to them about it or are they too young? And would you speak to them about your kind of things

you went through growing up? Sometimes, you know, my kids are really good at expressing themselves emotionally. And sometimes they will say things and I will get really emotional because I still not particularly good at naming my emotions and being able to talk about how I'm feeling. And so, you know, sometimes, you know, I'll get really emotional and Marnie will be like, what's wrong mommy? And I'll be like, I was just, I just really proud of you that you're able to express yourself in that way

because me and my mummy never spoke to each other and the way that you speak to me and it makes me really happy and I'm just really proud. So they get like little, you know, I don't really give them like a sob story. I get that sometimes, if certain things happen at their school or they say something to me

that they are so flippant and confident with, but I remember when I was that age, because I didn't enjoy school at all and I found it quite stressful and upsetting. So they'll say something that they did that at the time would have completely broken me and like, I would have been a mess with it, but probably wouldn't have told anyone. And they tell me that they've done it, then I was just like, not bursting into tears, but I will start visibly getting emotional and upset. And I can't explain to them why, but it just sort of takes you back to your memories where when you're an adult and you're cracking on,

you sort of park a lot of the stuff that happened as a kid. But when your children are going through those developmental stages in those years, you automatically think of yourself as an 11-year-old and what was going on. And I think that's quite hard to process as a parent sometimes. Yeah. We asked Andy and Makita if they had a question to ask you when we interviewed them. And they said, did having kids make you more empathetic to what Andy and Alison were like as parents when you and Makita were growing up? No.

Perfect answer. That's all we needed. Um, no. No. And you knew Makita from way... I think there's more, Josh. I think you should do a Louis Theroux. Shut up for a second. Louis Theroux would have absolutely silenced that out, wouldn't he?

Oh, Louis Theroux, this. I'm going to go make a cup of tea. Just keep thanking Lily for coming on, Josh. If Lily doesn't speak anymore just whip the book out and read the passage. So your answer is no then Lily, we can report back to Andy and Mckinty. Listen, I think that like it was a very different time right, the 80s and I think you know my mum had my sister when she was 17 and then had two more kids by the time she was 24. And she did not come from money, my mom, you know,

she came from a very working class family in Portsmouth. And she made her way to London with one kid under her arm and put herself through university and then became a film producer and won an Oscar, got nominated for an Oscar by the time she was 30. Wow. As a single parent, like, I mean, that is incredible achievement. Did it have an effect on us as children?

Yes, it did. Do I hold that against her? No, I don't. Although it was pretty painful at the time. But I think it was a different time. She could do that because she had more support from the community around her. Andy, I used to go and stay with her for weeks at a a time when my mum was off working. Like, people pitched in and they helped, and I just don't think that that kind of thing is available to us now. And so I had to make more

sacrifices because I didn't have that village in the same sense that they had the village. So, I had to make a concerted decision to sort of step back from what it was that I was doing in order to be present and to not have my kids, you know, go to boarding school and be left standing on their own outside, you know, a bus station. So I just, it's, we're different people, but do I feel more empathetic? No, I feel jealous because they had it easier. You've known Makita since you were, well, you were since your whole lives. Yeah.

And so what was it like when Makita became famous on Pop World in the year 2000? She's given us her side of how it affected your relationship for a few years. Yeah, we want to hear yours first. How did it make me feel? I was just really proud of her. I was just really proud of her. I was just happy for her, you know? And that was it, there was no other sort of like, any other jealousy feelings popping to your head

at any point, it just got batted away. Good, nice try. I'm gonna win this one. Yeah, she said you were fewer was it few rows of virtue she was a livid or furious that she got famous for before her i was a bit like okay i was just presenting the songs are you well i'm gonna be fucking singing them actually that kind of thing right and what's it like working with her now has it affected your friendship in the sense of you have to keep all the stuff that you talk about for the podcast now?

Yeah, that's a bit annoying because I'll call her up and I'll be like, save it, save it for the podcast. I'll tell you something that's happened in my life. Now I just feel like I'm a little bit tabloid for, I mean tabloid fodder, podcast fodder. Has it changed our relationship, the working thing? No, not really. I think, do you know what? Actually, this is a bit like weepy, but last week or the week before last, you touched on it a little bit before Rob about that story that came out about the parenting and having to step back and it was, you know, I made a joke in an interview and it got completely taken out of context and weaponized and used against me and my kids. And it was really painful.

But, you know, I'm quite used to that happening to me. And I, when things like go viral or explode or on the front cover of the newspapers, I tend to like shut down and go to ground because it's not really something that anybody can understand. It's such a unique experience. That sort of monstering that happens. But because it was something that happened with Makita, I was able to sort of talk to her and we've sort of set up a system in which me to feel more protected in those situations. And I've never had that in 20 years doing what I do. And so, I had to call her up and she called our producer

and she said to a bunch of people, we can't have this podcast be a success because Lily has to suffer in the tabloids, in the newspaper, but I don't want that. And it was like, wow, someone's like fighting my corner for me. That's what really happened. And it was really, you know, I called her up and I just said, I have to thank you because I've always felt like I've had to deal with this thing on my own and deal with all the sort of guilt and the shame that comes along with

it. And it's been really hard and I really appreciate you showing up for me. So that is different. It's changed our relationship in that sense because it's brought us closer. And also, I can be quite a closed person. I mean, at least I have been over the past 20 years. And Makita, I think from that experience and seeing how that stuff all rolled out, she was like, I think she was quite shocked.

She was like, I kind of, she said, I knew that you'd been going through this stuff, but also I hadn't seen it in real time. Like I thought you were sort of like courting that controversy. And she was like, I can see now. Well, that was a throwaway comment really, that in a tongue in cheek. And that's just my personality. And it's always used against me. Listen, there are sometimes when I've done stuff that I shouldn't have done, but this is not one of those occasions. She was like, do you think this is one of the reasons that you can be quite closed off? And I was like,

yeah, possibly. She said, no, if my words were taken out of context and used against me like that, I would just be shut. I just wouldn't talk. And I was like, well, that's what I do. When it happens, I switch my phone off and I like bury myself. So it's really nice to have someone else experience it. Yeah. Also with the podcast, you have your own actual right of reply. So it's not in an interview, someone, if anyone goes, hang on, what was that? They can hear the podcast and hear that it was a throwaway comment, but it is a fair thing to say.

I work less now and I miss out on lots more opportunities because I've chosen to be at home with the kids more. I want to be at home more. It's not me saying, they're stopping the same as you and Josh is like, but the papers will twist that and turn it into a negative. But I think now with like Instagram or a podcast, people can at least go to the source now and go,

hang on, oh no, actually it was, and anyone that just reads a headline and believes it, there's nothing you can do or say to convince them otherwise anyway, they're lunatics. Whereas most normal sane people. There's this one person, this like one troll that is obsessed with David's ex-girlfriend, my husband David, and hates the troll that is obsessed with David's ex-girlfriend, my husband David,

and hates the fact that he married me. And she's like, she just shitposts everywhere all over the internet. And me and David set up a production company and named it after her. She'll be so utterly confused. Her name comes up on my face, creepy. Brought to you by... So spin her out. She'll be like, what the fuck? What happened to you? And we were talking to Mckie, because it happened to her as well.

It was fucking awful the way you guys were treated, particularly in that period of 2000s and kind of... when you were kind of really young and famous and it was just thrown on you. If your kids got in a position where they were like wanted to be in the public eye or anything, would you think twice about stuff like that because of the way you were treated? I mean, I'm not in control of them, you know, I can facilitate things for them and I can

be a shoulder for them to cry on and something for me to bounce ideas off of but if they want to do that it's not it's not my decision no of course they do something or not so if they wanted to go down that route all I could do was like share my experiences with them and give them information that would be valuable in that situation but you know I'm not really one of these like tiger mums or like, you know, I want my kid to be a lawyer or a doctor or not about that.

I want them to find out who they are and to do something that they love, hopefully. You know, I'm very privileged and I have enough money to provide them with lots of different opportunities and I will do that, and hopefully they'll discover something that really gets them going, and then they'll be able to make money out of it, you know?

That's all I can do. You did find something you loved with music and stuff, but you had issues with record companies, and we've chatted before about releasing songs you may not have wanted to release, and being creative of stuff like that. If they were to get into music, what advice would you give

or any young sort of female in the music industry that has got an album of stuff that they love and they love writing and performing? Like it feels like a very complicated, murky world of the music industry. What advice would you give to any young girls going into it like you were at that age? I mean, it's a big question, but it feels like, you know,

you saw the best and the worst of it. I'd say don't rush into like any relationship with a record company or with a manager. Like you've got the rest of your life. So just be really comfortable with the people that you're surrounding yourself with. And I'd say lawyer, manager and accountant. Those are the three that you want to watch out for. And also the three you need. That's the problem isn't it? You've got to get one but a good one. Yeah, record company I don't even think you really need anymore so I wouldn't bother with that. So yeah, just good lawyer, good manager, good accountant.

I think it's hard as well and I think because, you know, like your dad was sort of well known and stuff, but you say your mum also well known but came from a very humble working class background. So she's like got to 30, been nominated for an Oscar, got three kids, sort of bringing them up on her own with the help of from friends and stuff like that. She was probably still trying to work out what's the best way to deal with money, what's the best lawyer to have and stuff like that. So it's like you weren't even though you sort of had well-known parents, you there wasn't like a sort of an established set of like this is what you do, this is what you need to do with your money. You were sort of learning as you went along.

Yeah and also I had quite a complicated relationship with that. We don't really talk about our work that much in our family. Right. You know, so I don't think I ever like played my music to my family or like asked them for their feedback. It felt like too vulnerable to be like, mum, like, do you think this person is a good lawyer? Like, I just, I was like, I got this. Thanks. No, I'm fine. So that is more the relationship that we have. Weird question. I got an email from Harry Enfield.

Really? You did not get a... Harry in Enfield. No, no. Harry... No, no. So Harry Enfield comes out of your book. Got a question from Harry in Enfield.

Yeah. So Harry Enfield comes out of your book very, very well. Yeah. Right. I got an email about a month ago from Harry Enfield who I've never met, who tracked me down and it was a picture of his, I don't, his mum's neighbour who is apparently related to me. It's quite a weird email to receive. Yeah. Have you started drinking again Josh? What's going on?

What was he, what did it require a response? Yeah, well I thought it did because he'd contacted me out of nowhere to say, look at this picture of this person who's related to you. Right. Are they related to you? Yeah, because they're related to someone who I did Who Do You Think You Are? and they're from that same family line, right? I was going to do that show, is it good?

Yeah, it's great, do it. I did the ITV version, but they just don't put out the really bad stuff, so you're alright. If there's anything, that's what I was worried about. What do you mean the really bad stuff? Well, you know, if members of your family had done stuff, well, it couldn't get much worse than mine. Mine was sort of violent criminals. Oh, right. But they sort of knew what they were getting into.

So there's a picture of him with Harry. Lovely. Yeah. So I thought it was quite weird that he'd emailed me, but I sent him back an email thanking him. Quite a gushing email, as you can imagine. Oh, he didn't say thank you for emailing me three times, did you? You sent him your book as an attachment.

No, I didn't. It's a little video of you reading your book out to Harry. Nah, come on now. And then... It's an audio book. then he ghosted me. He's ghosted you. I'm like, you emailed me in the first place. Oh, please, can we hear you gush?

I texted him and said, can you email him back? What did you send back to Harry Enfield? Was it overly, I bet it was really gushing. Take a picture of you and send it to him now. I said, look, here's my neighbour. I said, hi, Harry Harry thank you for your lovely and unexpected message lovely to hear there are more people from the bearings bank blah blah blah blah blah hope you don't mind me taking the opportunity to say I'm a huge fan of you and Harry Enfield and

chums one of the first things that made me realise comedy could be as exciting as music and football so genuinely thank you hope you're well Josh. Oh that's nice and respectful actually yeah respect that Josh I'll take it back nice and respectful, actually. Yeah. Respect that, Josh, I take it back. Yeah. And he completely ignored that. You wanted a response, you should have put a question in there.

I know, I just, I didn't, what was it? Yeah, so there we go. P.S., please reply. Are you a big fan of mine? Yeah. Just email him that, go, Harry, I forgot to ask, are you a big fan of mine also? And does my work excite you?

Or do you feel comedy as a whole isn't what it was in your day? And when I hear that I inspired people like you, it makes me wish I did something else. Lol. Yeah, lol. Please reply. Lily, your podcast missed me. So is it out once a week, twice a week? How often is it out? Twice a week? Twice a week? Yeah, we have. I have listened to it.

I enjoyed it. I've enjoyed it. This is the best thing when someone comes on to promote a podcast, because you can actually listen to it. When they're promoting a book, you have to pretend. Yeah. It's an absolute nightmare.

You two read my book. I read your book and I don't read books. I read your book and it wasn't for promo. Wow. I just read that because it was a good book, Lily, and most autobiographies are fucking shit, and that's including the ones we've promo'd on here. But it's just for promo. Wow. I just read that because it was a good book, Lily, and most autobiographies are fucking shit, and that's including the ones we've promo'd on here. But it's just how the world works.

The amount of people I've said, you should read Lily Allen's book, it's fucking insane. It's amazing. Like, as an autobiography, it's such a page, I know you're not on there to promote this, but bloody hell, what a page turner.

Yeah. Was it difficult to do the audiobooks? It's so intense at points. Yeah, I read the audiobook. I had to be like completely disassociated. I was like, rrrr. Oh, really? You're like, that's too much.

No Olivier Award for that performance. No. That bit about being left at the bus stop though, to read that out loud, that must have been very difficult to say that out loud. It was definitely a bit lumpy throaty for sure. Yeah well I think it's um you know whatever happened then you've been such a great mum now and it you can tell that even just after a Sunday roast every Sunday you've built structure into your kid's life that maybe you didn't have enough of growing up and it's real

testament to you because some you know you can go one way or the other can't you with those kind of things and I think you're doing brilliantly, so ignore those stupid headlines. It was a close shave, I'm very nearly ready. Yeah, very nearly. Yeah. You weren't far off to be fair for a couple of years, great area. Fair.

Thank you for doing the podcast, and people can get Miss Me on all podcast platforms, et cetera, can't they? Can. And it's a BBC Sounds one, isn't it, so when you wanna earn a bit more money, come with plugins, platforms, etc. Can. And it's a BBC Sounds one, isn't it? So when you want to earn a bit more money, come with us. We'll sort it out. Yeah.

I mean, we'll send you a year. Do it, Louis Farouk. Cheers, Lily. Thanks so much. Oh, sorry. Why did I do that? You needy little rat. I'm just polite.

What is wrong with me? Send me some flowers. There you go. Yeah, send Lily some flowers. Cheers, Ellie. See you later. Cheers, mate. Bye. Thanks, bye. Oh, I love Lily Allen. Love Lily Allen. What a legend.

She's great. She gets so unfairly treated, I think, in the press. And she's trying to do the right thing of, right, I'm going to work a bit less, so I'm there for my kids. And then the papers can still turn that around it's awful ready they are a bunch of right listen to that podcast miss me Josh I think you're in love with Lily Allen I think she's a national treasure I know but you did say thanks a lot do you know what Rob for being on it I actually think it's less that I'm in love with Lily Allen and more that when someone's got a reputation of being opinionated Yeah, do you know I mean could be prickly in the past? Yeah, it could be prickly in the past prickly in the past

of me Joshua to come Where I interviewed people that used to be prickly in interviews Brooklyn the partial made off where to come This is where we look back at old interviews of celebrities with a bit of a prickly. Meg Ryan, what was going on with Parkinson that time? Bruce Grobbler. Michael, if you could put a pitch dock together

for prickly in the past, we'll be... It's a great idea, actually. Who are you booking for prickly in the past? So what you do for prickly in the past is you and someone else, and you talk about someone and the interview and then you get that person on and you play the interview to them and then you talk it through with them. So Meg Ryan, John Squire on Jonathan Ross. I think it's a bit soon on John Squire, two weeks on. John, you used to be Prickly but in the last couple of weeks. You were Prickly in the Past a week and a half ago. It's still the past, so it fits for the show. Mart La Mar, you were prickly in the past to me. I'll tell you that for free.

Right. We'll be back next week. Prickly in the past will be available on Wednesday. This will be available on Tuesday and Friday. That's a great premise. Someone's gonna do prickly in the past. Yeah. Miss Me with Lily and Makita is on

all your podcast platforms. It's, I mean, to show we're supporting it, it's the first thing where we've done two weeks of promo in a row. Loved it. Right, see you later, mate. Bye. ["The Daily Show"] podcast. We're going to be asking each other, how was it for you? It was pretty good, Rachel.

About all sorts of different things. Things we've eaten. Things we've seen. Places we've been. Things we've smelled. People we've met sometimes. Those will be, we'll have to talk about them without giving away who they were. And that will be the challenge you as a listener can enjoy. Exactly. You can get all of the episodes in the places where podcasts are.