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Starting point is 00:04:52 I think he's great, but he would do stuff like, I'm going to stick a needle through my face and he would just stick a needle through his face. And you're like, well, he's interesting. That's not magic. That's a needle through your face. That's a throwback to Houdini. I want to see your head get locked off. And then I want you to see tightrope between buildings.

Starting point is 00:05:10 Like Chris, I think was a mix between copper field, traditional magic and what David was doing, what was kinda edgy, this cool dude, long hair, doing crazy shit. Yeah, I mean, he had that weird, like, because it wasn't, it was that hard, it was like that, like, heavy metal band magician. What is that?

Starting point is 00:05:33 Yeah, like that's the vibe. Yeah, he's the dang cook of magic. That's a very app description. I think that's probably the way to go. Yeah, he's, yeah. I mean, he shouldn't be sure it was sending more by the way. I'm sorry, brother, you're in better shape to me. I know it.

Starting point is 00:05:50 I'm a fan. But you look like a brazuto. Yeah, baby, we're starting the podcast right now. We're back. You know what, dude, live. Welcome, everybody, to the show. YKW, we're here. I started social media podcast

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Starting point is 00:06:31 Digital. Digital. What's up, everybody? What's happening? Welcome back to you. Know what to podcast the longest running podcast on the East Coast We're here above the comedy seller at the comedy seller studios and I'm very excited tonight

Starting point is 00:06:56 Why is we have a magical night? We have a magical night We have a magical night. I mean, he's just magical. He was on the podcast long time ago and now he's back on by himself. And I just want to say with all respect, tada. I feel like you're using magical as a word, as a code word for something. Harrison Greenberg! Yes, I am.

Starting point is 00:07:28 I am. You picked that up. This is how they do it in the 50s. Oh, that guy, uh, magical. Magical. Is real magical. Listen. Loves the magic, if you know what I mean.

Starting point is 00:07:39 He loves making stuff disappear. Listen, dude. I mean, let's just get it out of the way. Let's just get it on the table. Yes. Let's just do it. Let's just talk about it. Hamas. Rhymes with Hamas. But it's stuff you put in your ass. Listen. Wait, what rhymes with a moth? Stuff you put in your ass. A-o-os? And a moth? And your ass. Hamas.

Starting point is 00:08:11 Brother, listen. I don't remember that from Dr. Cish. It was just a sketch. It was just a sketch. You are gay. We did you talk to my parents before you did this? Is that what's happening? Listen, this is an intervention.

Starting point is 00:08:25 This is an intervention. Harrison. Yeah. Okay, here's the thing. I've known you for a long time. Yeah. Maybe you don't even know how long we've known each other. 20 years.

Starting point is 00:08:37 At least. Yeah, well, the first time I ever saw it, I was a fan before I ever met you. Really? I was getting into comedy in college. I was a kid magician and then in college I started really getting into standup your signature and I was very excited. You did? Yeah. And then when I got to meet you for the first time, being on a show together, it was a real thrill. I was a seller. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:08:50 Yeah. It was a full circle moment for me. Well, here's the thing, I've known you for a long time. And I've been a fan of the show for a long time. I've been a fan of the show for a long time. I've been a fan of the show for a long time. I've been a fan of the show for a long time. I've been a fan of the show for a long time. I've been a fan of, it was a real thrill. I can sell it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was a full circle moment for me. Well, here's the thing, I've known you for a long time.

Starting point is 00:09:10 And one of the last times we've seen each other was during the pandemic on Zoom. That's right. And I had said to you, bad then, and I've said it over the years, Harrison, you gay. And you do the illusion and you pull some weight, you shit. And during the pandemic, I was like, dude, show, come on, dude, start you like, I'm not. I was like, come on, show me the purple dildo, the big purple dildo. You went, hang on.

Starting point is 00:09:39 I have, yes, of course. You had a purple dildo. Yeah, like right off camera. He was doing accessible. Here's the thing. Either you're the best magician in the world or you're gay. I'll make it even worse. You know who bought that dildo? My mom.

Starting point is 00:09:54 What? Yes. Why? I bought her an Amazon Echo. I thought it was a nice gift. And every time I would visit and she wasn't in the room, I would whisper to the Amazon Echo, order a dildo. And it would add it to her cart.

Starting point is 00:10:08 And so she would have all these dildos in her cart. And she thought Amazon was broken. She would call me. She's like, I keep trying to order stuff. I have to keep canceling orders. They just keep trying to give me dildos. And because it's this woman, according to the algorithm,

Starting point is 00:10:18 they see this woman who's desperate to buy a dildo but keeps deleting it. So all the suggestions are dildo-based suggestions. So any suggestion is like, I want another dildo, I want blue, I want all this stuff. So this goes on for like years. Finally, I'm drunk at things giving. So I just yell across the room from the whole family.

Starting point is 00:10:33 Order some dildos. It's like, it was you. And then weeks later, a dildo arrived at my apartment in an Amazon box. From her. Well, I didn't know who it was from. I go, what a blessed life. That I get a dildo anonymously in the mail.

Starting point is 00:10:47 I get a five people off the top of my head who could have been the person who said it to me. And then I texted my mom, I was like, were you that, did you send me a dildo? She said, don't say I never got you nothing. That's hilarious. So my mom bought me that dildo. And have you used it?

Starting point is 00:11:00 I've used it in my act. And you're what? My magic act. Oh, thank God. I thought you just had to. and you're what my magic. Oh, thank you I thought you pronounced ass differently. I'm asked I used it in my acts Look, I don't care if you get my wife would care I think your wife is an illusion. I think that's

Starting point is 00:11:26 You know you'll like the prestige. You, no, I mean, what a registered independent. What? Dude, you are as fun as a gay guy could ever be. There we go. Gay guys are the funnest people in the world for me. And you are a hilarious, you laugh like Liza Manelli. You have the hair.

Starting point is 00:11:47 I mean, what the, there we go. It's great. So you have a wife you married. Yeah, not Mary and June. Not gay. You remind me of Louis Schaefer, remember Louis Schaefer? Yes, Louis Schaefer, not gay, remember? We're gonna say Kevin Meeney.

Starting point is 00:12:00 No, no, he was gay. Yes, he was gay. But married to a lady for a long time. I know. Yeah, so what do you mean? Get that great joke. He goes, how do you come out to your wife of like, whatever was gay. Yes, he was gay. But married to a lady for a long time. I know. Yeah, so what do you think? Get that great joke. He goes, how do you come out to your wife of like, whatever, 15 years ago, you stand at the top of the stairs

Starting point is 00:12:10 and you go, I am what I am. We'll have it. It killed Mick. He's awesome. God, wait too soon. Yeah, Tara, he died a heart attack on his coach. I don't know what's on the couch. Yeah, what he died of was it from gaining and losing weight

Starting point is 00:12:23 or heart problems or something? Heart attack, right? No. Yeah. Now Now if we had a producer that could Google it Instead of just listening to the show because he's a fan of magic Well, Danny, I you probably know it's right. I'm my magic camper. All right hang on one second. We're gonna get into this magic Don't ever bury the I don't want to fuck I got a long way to go at you son I mean do you laugh like fuck and I mean like you run a circus don't wanna, I got a long way to go at you son. I mean, dude, you laugh like fuck. And I mean, like you run a circus or you're, and I have this like old man weaves now, because I've done so much vocal damage.

Starting point is 00:12:52 So funny. Yeah. Yeah, dude, you have this thing where people think you're gay, but you're married. There we go. Yeah. Someday, I will win the bet. Someday, Norton will pay me money. Is it because, now you got married.

Starting point is 00:13:10 Where'd you meet your wife? Tinder. What? We've been on Tinder. What? Yeah. Really? We actually matched on Bumble I told you about later.

Starting point is 00:13:19 Sure. We sure wasn't Grindr. I love you laughing all my jokes. So you met her on Tinder and then what? We had a date pretty quickly after that. That didn't go well at the beginning. I thought it was clear that I was saying, like, hey, come meet up with me.

Starting point is 00:13:32 I'm gonna do a show and then we'll go to dinner and she thought it was, this is the time after you're done with work and then we could just go hang out. So she was like, who's this asshole who's dragging me around to shows? She didn't think that was part of the date. And then we didn't start liking each other until hours later we went to an Italian restaurant

Starting point is 00:13:47 late at night. We started talking about our actual lives. And then we realized there's like a little bit of a connection. What is she? She is Nebraska. Really? What does she do for work? Works for a phone comparison? Oh, she's, yeah. It's a million. No shit. Yeah, yeah. A muggle. A what? A muggle. Yeah. Who are you sure? You're doing Harry Potter references. I mean, I know what they are, which is unculpable. I mean, I'm a magician.

Starting point is 00:14:12 My name is Harrison. I'm British. Yeah, pretty close. Yeah, pretty close. So, but you got into, now here's the thing. You're a comic, and I knew you as a standup. I didn't know you as a magician. That was on purpose, but I really kept,

Starting point is 00:14:24 I wanted to keep them, I was joked that I kept my career separate the way like a preschool teacher, like high school career. Like just, there's a duffel bag with these in the corner. Well, there's another scenario you could use. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha Only fans. Ah, anyway. No. You can sure you don't want to talk about him. You can use the other.

Starting point is 00:14:46 Ha ha ha ha ha. We can talk about Hamas. Um, dude, because this is the thing I don't understand with musician comics. Danny refuses. And Joe, Joe Russell, my other guy here. Does magic too? Yes.

Starting point is 00:15:04 Wow. His room room has you know I know why you guys always got to get some type of who Dini member Abilia fucking hacks These are who Dini's there's not the cufflinks, but it's a key that went into one of his say Some fucking picture of that dumb idiot, you know looking weird and you know, but He did it. They will not they don't like to mix the two. They don't want people knowing they do magic. They, Danny will not do anything. I wanted to have a magic off between these two

Starting point is 00:15:36 fucking artistic twins. He will not, he will quit the show. He is serious. I have a depam. He will not do magic. You want the questionnaire right when they're analyzing where you are on the spectrum? Yeah.

Starting point is 00:15:49 So you like magic. You get like three points if you say yes. Yeah, oh, yeah. You get five points. He will not do magic. He will not do it. And you wanted to separate why? Why?

Starting point is 00:15:59 Why is it bad? Magic to me is awesome. Magic is amazing. Magic to make me smile. I love magic. I love it too. I think for me, I started off as a kid magician. Freshman Year of College, I was, I was like barking for stage time, just standing on a street corner, you know, for two hours at a time to hit five minutes at the end of the show. And I remember I was putting sponge balls in my back pocket right before

Starting point is 00:16:23 my set. And a comedian comes up to me and goes, the fuck are you doing? And I go, it's a magic trick. This way, if the jokes don't work, I got it like a fun alley. And he's like, you'll never learn how to do stand-up if you have that kind of safety net. And that advice changed my life. And so I realized, if I want to do stand-up, I want to do it on its own merits. And I want it comics before they knew I did magic to just like, respect me as a comedian.

Starting point is 00:16:45 Without thinking I had this crutch, because like, you open a wallet and fire shoots out the top. The audience is gonna clap. That's gonna be fun. I mean, Tom Dustin. You know Tom Dustin. Of course, I was a, I was a Boston guy. Here's the thing.

Starting point is 00:16:58 Tom Dustin hilarious comic, by the way. So funny. Used to close with a firewall. You would sell them, right? You would sell them after the show. So funny. Used to close with a firewall. You would sell them, right? You would sell them after the show. And I went up to my go, it's not even a joke. Like, it's not even part of, he goes, I go, why would you sell something that's not comedy?

Starting point is 00:17:18 What are you doing? He goes, I did the math. And I could buy these for this and I sell them for this. I make the most money. It was a total fucking profit margin. There's 70 houses in the Boston area that have burned down because I have one. I have one. I have one. It's those are not safe. They're not safe. They just have fire shooting out of a thing. Yes. It's crazy to me, but he, like Danny, it's like, I understand it because I used to have a buck teeth was my closer. Oh, like fake buck teeth. What are you laughing

Starting point is 00:17:52 at? Yes. I had a fake buck teeth and that was my closing five, ten minutes. I would come up and I'd put them in. I'd be like, Hey, a goofy vampire. Buh! I would be like, don't put these in and go to a hardware store and go, do you get a file? They didn't give you the title immediately. Well, what happened was one time I forgot them. Oh, shit. And I had a show and I had to do a lot of time and I didn't have my buck teeth.

Starting point is 00:18:20 And that's the night I realized, dude, you cannot rely on anything, but your thoughts, your opinion and your stories, the jokes, you have to have jokes. If you don't have jokes, you'll get caught out there one day and you'll be fucked. So I understand. Yeah. I wanted to be able to just do an hour and not have anything to do about that.

Starting point is 00:18:41 You did, you would come, I mean when you came to, you know, look, we all fucked with you back in the day because you, I mean, you know, look, we all fucked with you back in the day. Because you, I mean, you know, you're coming to, this is gonna stand, he's coming to the comics table with Patrice, Norton Keith, me, Voss, Jerald O'Quinn, and here comes this magic happy gay guy that's not gay. I was like ecstatic to be there.

Starting point is 00:19:04 Yeah, I was like, this is gonna really hurt me. I'm so happy and I can't hide it. You didn't get hurt though. You never really took anything personal. No, I loved it. The very first day I sat down at the seller table. Keith was there. And I had no Keith before I got past.

Starting point is 00:19:18 And he just goes, oh, congratulations. It's so great you're here. What are you working on? And I start to tell him and he goes, nobody gives a shit, you dummy. And then everybody laughs and he goes, no, no, no, tell me what you're working on. I started saying he goes,

Starting point is 00:19:29 we still don't give a shit, you dummy. I gotta call him right now. I'm gonna curse him off and do that to you. I'm gonna call him right now. I really, that makes me mad. No, that was the great, I was like, this is the perfect introduction to the cell. No, I mean, it really makes me happy inside, but. Yeah. Here we go, ready? I'm gonna tell him, see was the great, I was like, this is the perfect introduction to the cell there. No, I mean, it really makes me happy inside, but.

Starting point is 00:19:45 Yeah. Here we go, ready? I'm gonna tell him. See what he's, he might have changed though, because he had two strokes. He's a different guy. He's a little mellower. He's a little different now,

Starting point is 00:19:53 so maybe he changed a little bit. You know what I mean? He's gonna, I mean, he's probably not gonna answer because he's in bed because he's 85. You know what I mean? But he's changed. I think he's 85. Do you know what I mean? But he's changed. I think he's changed. He's definitely not gonna answer after these calls.

Starting point is 00:20:11 He's looked at the phone already. He probably tried to jerk off with his left hand because he has to. All right, there you go. You know what I'm gonna call? I know what I'm gonna call. I'm gonna call this person right now. You ready? All right. This you go. You know, I'm gonna call I know what I call. I'm gonna call this person right now. You ready?

Starting point is 00:20:28 All right. This person has changed and We're gonna see remember rich boss. Yeah. Yeah, see what rich has to say Rich he changed to he's 66. I'll take the first thing you ever said to me What I'm watching the show with Bonnie. I mean, I forget that all my friends are in the 60s and I go to bed at 8.30. Right. This sucks. Like, I kids are gonna wake up early.

Starting point is 00:20:56 I mean, hang on. He's, I know he's watching TV with Bonnie right now with his snack. She has some vegan snack that she made. Number. At the tone, please record your message when you finished recording, I hang up or press one for more options. I'm here with Harrison Greenbomb right now.

Starting point is 00:21:24 And he's about to tell me the mean thing you said to him the first time you met. And I bet it's mean. I was calling you because I told him you've changed over the years. You're not that guy anymore, so. But you're in bed because you're 66 fucking asshole. What do you say to you?

Starting point is 00:21:39 Well, so, and to be clear, I love Rich, and he's been very supportive. But, what the first time I ever met him. Yes. Was at that Jones Beach scene, there was that autograph table. So you could line up and you could, everybody would sign your thing.

Starting point is 00:21:50 I was there. Yeah. So you signed, I still have the ticket. It's like everybody centers yours on it, Patrice's on there, Louie. I'm so excited because this is the first time I've ever met like real comedians. You're right.

Starting point is 00:22:02 I'm so pumped. And Rich sees me like from across the table. I'm like, two away from him. He just goes, what are you smelling at? F***ing. And I went out of my introduction to Rich. I was like, are you gonna cancel Rich? I mean, he's Christ Harrison.

Starting point is 00:22:18 I mean, dude, you can't. He meant it in jest. It was a ja- it was not a hate cry. Oh, the good You can't. You can't. You can't. You can't. You can't. You can't. You can't. You can't. You can't. You can't.

Starting point is 00:22:30 You can't. You can't. You can't. You can't. You can't. You can't. You can't. You can't.

Starting point is 00:22:37 You can't. You can't. You can't. You can't. You can't. You can't. He meant it in just. It was not a hate cry. Oh, the good old days. Not a it? Now, I'm gonna get canceled. No, you won't.

Starting point is 00:22:45 You can't. You are warrants, that's right. Ha ha ha ha. No, I used to do a lot of, that's like me saying, wap. Ha ha ha. He used to do a lot of musical theater in high school in college. You're a game.

Starting point is 00:22:54 You're a fucking game. I am what I am. Ha ha ha. You could sacrifice your sacro si and in the back row. What is that one? That's gypsy. What?

Starting point is 00:23:05 Okay, now we're starting. And now I'm getting a little fives. I'm K2. I wanted you on this. Gypsy is a deep cut. I'm deep gay. That's a deep cut there. That's a, but that shirt and that musical reference.

Starting point is 00:23:18 I can't even think you like my shirt. That's, I love it. Oh yeah. I'm like, here you go. There you go. Maybe we could do it again. Explode, comes back. Okay, Here you go. Yeah, do it again. Explode comes back. Okay.

Starting point is 00:23:27 All right. What was happening? What was your bit? Oh, there was a lot of musical theater in high school in college. So my nickname was. Yeah. That was the bit. That was the.

Starting point is 00:23:38 Oh, you had a pause. It was a long time ago. You had a pause. Right. My nickname was. Yeah. Then I would say the word back. Which I was called that a bunch in high school. So I know like I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, though, why are you, so you're not gay? No.

Starting point is 00:24:06 Let's say, okay, here's the thing, if we come back in five years and you're a fucking Kevin Meaney, singing on the top of your thing, you're going to be like, goodbye, you slut bag, I'm going to be mad. That's fair. That's 100% fair. So you're, you're okay.

Starting point is 00:24:18 So you just say it's okay to be mad in five years, you asshole. No, I'm saying that that was, that didn't happen. Can I have a question? Yeah. Have you ever? Kissed a man. I Mean lots of shit goes on a college. I'm done. I'm out. I just wanted to lead you. I'm done. I'm done. I'm done I don't blow it I'm kidding. Yeah, dude. I don't care if you're gay or not

Starting point is 00:24:43 I'm glad to have you on the show. We'll move on from that because it's getting old. We're just being two old queens. God damn stupid. We are on the throne. We are. I know we are on the throne. Those are the queens shares though. These are kings' shares. Oh. This is the alpha male chair. Oh. You're gonna have kings? I mean kids. I think so. Yeah. I think so. Yeah, I think so, yeah. Well, how old are you now? 37.

Starting point is 00:25:09 37, she's still young. Yeah, around the corner, maybe, yeah. My wife is 30, so she's, all the time, right, right, right, right. And does your wife ever say that like, does she, like, people give her, when you met her parents, were they like, oh, this guy is gay.

Starting point is 00:25:25 Well, I have the joke. I love your jokes. I love freaking out. When do I have, there's a line where I go, she, I used to be girlfriend, my girlfriend. She's a imaginary, but definitely a girl. So that was like a line in there. Right.

Starting point is 00:25:36 So when people come, she got used to it. And beginning, I think she didn't like it as much, but then she kind of went along. But like, she'd be with me after a show and they go, oh my god, she's not imaginary. And now she leans into it. She's like, see, but like, she'd be with me after a show and they go, oh my god, she's not an imaginary. And now she leans into it. She's like, see, I'm real. So like, over time, she embraced me.

Starting point is 00:25:49 Right, right, right. Does she love magic? I think she likes it. Yeah, she knows a lot of the terms now and stuff because she's like, bit in that world. But is she, like, my wife doesn't give a fuck about jokes anymore, you know what I mean? Everyone's a while I'll make her laugh,

Starting point is 00:26:01 but she, yeah, just go make the money, funny boy. Is she, like, magic to me flips me out. I don't wanna know the tricks. I don't wanna know, I wanna be in the, you know, and some people like do it at tricks. I know. She's, she's seen, she's knows way more than the average bear. Like, she knows way more, like,

Starting point is 00:26:17 so she's, she's seen behind the curtain on something. So she, there's time, and she knows like specific terms. Like, she's, she's not just like a, I mean, just recall like a lay person. She knows a specific terms. Like she's not just like a, I'm just gonna call like a lay person. She knows a lot more. But she still loves it. Like the first time I ever took her to Magic Camp, all the kids swarmed her because she's like a non-magician.

Starting point is 00:26:36 And she loved it. What did you say? Magic camp. What is magic camp? Are you sure this is? Isn't that what you, you know those conversion, those't that where you know those conversion there, those Christian camps where they convert,

Starting point is 00:26:47 where like Christian kids go to go from gay to straight. Yeah, I get a sure. Tannins Magic Camp is the exact opposite. It's to go straight to gay. Jiu-Juice go. So you go from straight now. Tannins is like, I would not be the person I am with that. This is what's it called?

Starting point is 00:27:04 I, Tannins Magic Camp. It's the greatest thing in the world. No, is what's it called? I, a town is magic camp. It's the greatest thing in the world. No, it's, you're just part, you're a teacher there. I was a camper. Okay. And then I became a counselor been going for 20 years. Wow. Yeah. So it's like Jewish camp for magic kids.

Starting point is 00:27:16 Pretty much. Yeah. Like, can I, is this it right here? What is that? Why are you, why are you doing this? Why is it going small? Oh, is this what is it? Oh, Lord.

Starting point is 00:27:26 What is this? Oh, I know what this is. What is it? Tell me. Oh, this is not gonna help anything. Is this you? So I just finished my run. I did 650 shows, headlining Cirque du Soleil show.

Starting point is 00:27:37 Okay, wait a second. We're getting ahead of ourselves. Yeah, so that's what this is from. This is Cirque du Soleil. Okay, yeah. I don't wanna watch this right now, because I wanna talk about magic. I gotta talk up to the lead up to this.

Starting point is 00:27:47 These guys are fucking burying me. Then we're gonna have nothing to get to. No, you do wanna watch it. It's very gay. Danny, you know what, you got them right. Yeah, so. You know what, sometimes you just gotta give you context for this. I mean, dude, there's no context.

Starting point is 00:28:02 They didn't. This is the finale number, I think, right? This is you, you were in Circus, Olay. I had, I'm the first ever comedian to headliner Circus, Olay, show. Okay, what, where and what? Which Circus is a bunch of them? Yeah, so I get a call.

Starting point is 00:28:15 This is May, 2021. Yeah. I get a call saying, hey, can you come for one day? We need a fill in for one day. We're on the process of launching a Circus, Olay, show called Matt Apple. It're on the process of launching a Cirque du Soleil show called Mad Apples, a New York theme, Cirque du Soleil show at New York, New York about New York.

Starting point is 00:28:29 We don't wanna do clowns. We think if you're gonna do New York, you should have stand-up comedians. That's where the funny comes from. Yeah. So I was like, this sounds cool. So I pack for one day. It's a one-nighter.

Starting point is 00:28:38 I'm just gonna do this one show. I do the show. MGM is there, Cirque's there. They go, you know what, you wanna stay for like, stay for one more day, we like you, stay for one more day. Then they go, stay for the whole week. We have shows the whole week. Really?

Starting point is 00:28:51 All these preview shows, we're doing it. And money, they're talking money, or they just, they're just not- They're just floating money, but you're not getting paid. I know I'm getting paid, yeah, yeah. Good money? Yeah, yeah. And they're putting you up.

Starting point is 00:28:59 And they're putting me up. Where are they putting you up? At New York, New York. Okay. So I've been fake New York. Just a regular room? Nice room. Okay, yeah. By the end of the week, New York. So I've been fake New York. Just a regular room. Nice room. Okay, yeah. By the end of the week, I'm like, I gotta fly back.

Starting point is 00:29:10 I'm starting to get, like, I have gigs. Right. And they give me a contract for a year and a half. Really? Yeah, they're like stick around. So you got a resident. The overnight I went from, I flew out, I told my, she with my Venn fiance,

Starting point is 00:29:24 hey, I have this quickie gig in Vegas. She didn't live there. All of a sudden I'm like, I flew out, I told my, she would my then fiance. Hey, I have this quicky gig and they live there. All of a sudden I'm like, hey, so we're gonna have to pack all of our shit up. So I lived in that hotel for a month and a half. Because when you do a residency, it's every day, except Monday. Well, so it's Cirque du Soleil. So it's actually, we did 10 shows a week every week. So it's 650 shows in a year and a half.

Starting point is 00:29:43 People don't know in Vegas, it's never ending. When you, even when you do stand up there, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's showed a little bit, but you're doing shows every night, sometimes two shows a night, except from Mondays, usually. Mondays is dark. But we're doing two shows every single night. Every single night you're doing two shows.

Starting point is 00:29:59 Wow. And I was headlining the show. So I was doing about 30 or 40 minutes of the show. So you come out at the end of the show. I mean, it's every night. And you're doing what? I'm doing a lot of stand up and 40 minutes of the show. So you come out at the end of the show? I mean, it's every night. And you're doing what? I'm doing a lot of stand up and then some of the magic. And we talk about how I re-incorporate a magic

Starting point is 00:30:10 back into my stand up act. And this is the end of the show right here. At the end of the show, it's a big Cirque du Soleil show. Yeah. So I do have to dance. I'm sure you added that. I'm sure that you're like, we don't need dance. You're like, no.

Starting point is 00:30:22 If I'm gonna do this, I'm gonna do it right. You know what, you're pretty close. You're like, you can just stand on stage and clap. And I'm like, I'm not gonna clap when everybody else is dancing. Yeah, you're not gonna clap. When that groove hits your tush, it's gonna move. Anyways, right?

Starting point is 00:30:35 I'm gonna be dancing. You're gonna be dancing. What's up, Danny? You just said it was this. Okay, good. Where did you get this angle? Where's this from? I heard it.

Starting point is 00:30:42 I heard Spies come today. Oh my God, that's amazing. So this is from early, early days. Am I actually dancing in this one? Let's go. Okay. Oh yeah. Whoa. I have nightmares about this dance because I did do it 650 times. I need to see it again. That's all it has. I can give you the full length one if you really want to get in there. I do want to see. Is there any? I need to send it to me somehow. Do you have it on you?

Starting point is 00:31:11 Do you have it? Yeah, I don't know if we can actually show it to the people because it's Sirk's property but. Oh, damn. Okay. But Bobby can describe it. I would like to see this just one more time. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 00:31:21 I will describe this. You can, yeah, you can play it by play. I want you to think of it. if you saw a flock of gay birds. Well, so play that again. Let's see if I have a long, oh my God, you love it. You're more into it than the dancers. No, the dancers are into it. No way, dude.

Starting point is 00:31:46 That guy and the jacket, right? Are those all dancers? No, the guy and the jacket is Chris Turner. He was with the show for the first three months. Is he a magician? Chris Turner, the guy from the seller, the freestyle rapper guy, British guy. What is he doing?

Starting point is 00:31:57 What does he do? He did a segment where he did the freestyle rap. So we had all the audience members yell out things and then he makes a rap from it. I'm not, can I just say something? Everybody's fucking dick gets hard for that. I get it, it's math. I mean, in the show it was really effective

Starting point is 00:32:14 because there was like a whole subway set and they get graffiti on the wall as they say the thing. Is he still in it? No, no, so he was the first three months and then as, after the first three months, I was all of the comedy. So I was doing these three. Why did he leave?

Starting point is 00:32:31 He was signed up for three months. That's it. Are they gonna have them back? Or is the show over? No, the show's still going. It's still going. Yeah, I don't know what they're doing with it, but who's that black guy?

Starting point is 00:32:40 That's the musical guy. What does he do? He thinks he's the musical director. So he sings all the songs. He's the lead. Are you the only do? He thinks he's like the musical director. So he sings all the songs. He's a lead. Are you the only magician? I'm the only comedian, yeah. Are you the magician, though?

Starting point is 00:32:49 Do you mean, do you, Matt? There's a magician that does a pre-show close-up thing. So there's like a secret VIP area. So if you get to this show early, there's his other magician that might like pull you into a little room and do like a magic trick. And he sucks you off. I mean, who knows what happens in the room?

Starting point is 00:33:01 Oh, no. I don't think so. He pulls you in a room and just starts blowing you. I mean, and then a quarter comes out of your dick hole. I mean, who knows what happens in the room? Oh, no. I don't think so. He pulls you in a room and just starts vlogging. I mean, and then a quarter comes out of your dick hole. I mean, I feel like, and then he puts it in your ear and he goes like that. I feel like we'd have insanely good reviews if that's what he did.

Starting point is 00:33:13 And then he goes, yeah, don't tell. Let's see. So I'm trying to find a good version of the whole dance. I would just need a little more of it. I just need a little more. I can see it on your phone if you want. Oh, sure. Yeah, let me see you on I need to see you on the phone. Yeah, I think I think I I love circus. Oh, lay I can put that there. Go. All right. Here we go. Is the volume up? Oh, yeah. Oh my god. There's no one in this part. Who's talking?

Starting point is 00:33:44 The black. That's talking the black. That's a there's the musil director when he's not there. They I mean, there's all the subs for different things. Where why are you running back to the day? Oh, so that was a bit that I came up with on my own. So at the very end of this dance thing, we go look at the audience and we go, you know, you've just sing along with us.

Starting point is 00:33:59 So we show them what they're supposed to do. And then like with any of these column response things, the first time they do it, we're very disappointed with them. I can't believe we didn't get enough energy. Let's do it one more time, that like classic. And we're supposed to be very disappointed with them. And so it started off where everybody just kind of be like,

Starting point is 00:34:15 you know, wave or like be like, come on, we need better. And so 650 shows is Groundhog's day. You have to do something like keep yourself in it. Sure. So I would try to exit the stage in a different way every time because I was so upset they wouldn't sing with us. So sometimes I would try to sneak into this cab,

Starting point is 00:34:30 I would climb over the audience. Everybody in the cast knew I was trying to leave and their job was to keep me on, but they didn't know which cast member would be responsible for keeping me in. So it was just basically a giant game attack. So I was like, Just to keep you guys fresh and have fun yourselves.

Starting point is 00:34:43 Yeah, so that's what that video is. You show him with all of those that I ran off's what that video is showing you. You can do that stuff. There's not some French guy yelling at you. The can be right. Yeah, it's weird. It's a weird thing. I was very when I joined the show, I said, I said, my set, like, this thing's around me, do whatever you want, but like, when I'm in my set, like, what jokes I do, what tricks I do, any of that stuff needs to be in my control 100% of the time. You can't put that in your contract. Yeah, that's, I need that. Otherwise, I can't, this is not going to be worth it for me.

Starting point is 00:35:11 It's not going to work. And if I do the same exact set, 650 times, it'll be awful. So you sign up. So many ways to kill yourself in a Cirque du Soleil show. You could jump from a tall thing. There's so many exciting ways. Yeah, you could have a really small Chinese person fall on you.

Starting point is 00:35:27 That wouldn't hurt. That's true. We had some really talented acrobats. So, okay, there's too much on pack. I really, because I've been, I love Circus Olai. I've seen, there's those are incredible. Oh, it's an unbelievable huge cheap. But I've also seen the cheap one here in New York

Starting point is 00:35:43 that's not Circus Olai. It's just called Circus. Well, yeah, because they don't own the French word for Circus. Yeah, there's a huge cheap one. But I've also seen the cheap one here in New York that's not Cirque Sola, it's just called Cirque. Well, yeah, because they don't own the French word for Cirque. So yeah, there's a bunch of those. Yeah, I mean, my wife went and saw Cirque and it saw, they had a fucking jungle gym and a seesaw. And we were like, what the fuck? Going from O, which is epicly magical.

Starting point is 00:36:03 I think it cost them $200 million to put O together. That's unfathomable. That's crazy. It's worth every penny. It's unbelievable. Yeah. Oh, in Vegas, if you ever chance to see any of the circus, go see that.

Starting point is 00:36:14 That's really great. It was crazy, except when my wife and her parents, and they were very old at the time, I looked over halfway through. She was just sleeping in her neck in a wheelchair, but we did get in first because she was in a wheelchair. Oh, that's nice. I used every ounce of that wheelchair in my eyes with that. Okay, so this show, this show is a smaller version of O, right?

Starting point is 00:36:34 It's very different. So it's like, it's always is based on water and dreams. That's how I think they would describe it. Right. Always a plan. The fact that the French word for water is, is oh, it's actually pronounced the word, oh. Mad Apple was like the New York one. So they wanted to have this New York spin on every kind of. Are there acrobats or is there all kinds of things? Yeah, so like the acrobats and what's called the wheel of death are dressed like they're coming from Wall Street

Starting point is 00:36:54 holding a business suit. There was a bridge thing, sort of a replica of Brooklyn Bridge that they were swinging from. So every act has, the carrying games comes out of a taxi. They're trying to use that New York thing for each. So what do you come up, I don't understand how stand up can come out at the end of something like that. When it's very theatrical based, it's very big. It's very, I've been one of my talkin' long.

Starting point is 00:37:14 No, I'm just kidding. Exactly. I was like, I feel like you're just setting it up. Perfect. I come up out of an elevator. Like, you know, the very first day they go, this is all the ways that this elevator will kill you if you'd stand in the wrong place. Really?

Starting point is 00:37:27 Yeah. You can die. Oh my god, there's these giant screws that bring you up. So they're like, if your hand goes anywhere and you have your screws, no hand. And the two main companies that make lifts are Otis and Shindler. And so I'm like, you really want the Jewish perform to be killed by Shindler's lift.

Starting point is 00:37:41 And I was literal, that would have been my obituary. Had I stepped on the wrong, the wrong side of the mark. I like it. Yeah. It's fun to come out of an elevator, except every once in a while, the timing would be off. And so, because it's like,

Starting point is 00:37:56 dead and another big music, big lighting. And then it's right on the spot where I'm supposed to be already there. And I just start, I've already held my microphone. And, but once in a while, it's just not time. So I'm already holding my microphone and but once in a while it's just not time so I'm just ahead still rising. Oh no I got to start the act. So you started. So I started. So what do you say? Like I was just make fun of the situation like a $20 million show and they can't

Starting point is 00:38:16 fucking get the elevator timing right? And you swear. Yeah. So that was the other thing I had to be on censored. I was like I can't do this on my censored. So you I because they don't swear or no. They don't swear or anything. They don't swear or anything. No. Yeah. And they let you do that.

Starting point is 00:38:30 Yeah. Wow. So you come up and then what is your, okay, if everything goes perfect, you come up and you're there. What's the first joke? I don't understand. I don't understand how you could do that. The first joke actually, I went right into the act.

Starting point is 00:38:42 And then what is it? What do you say? So excited. How's everybody doing? Excited to be here. I just got married to a girl from Nebraska, which is a fun sentence to say because different parts of it are surprising to each of you. Okay, and then I do the whole bit.

Starting point is 00:38:57 Okay, what's the bit? You don't have to do it if you don't know. Oh yeah, no, girl from Nebraska. It's hard to do it from the middle out now. Um, yeah. Different parts of it are surprising to each of you, right? You're just like married, what? A girl, no, Nebraska, get the fuck out of here.

Starting point is 00:39:12 Okay. Too many plot twists for a single sentence. Okay, great. So you're doing these bits and you're into it. Has it ever been a night with a not laughing at it? Oh my God. There it's, I mean, the first, I did, my sets were kind of broken up throughout the show.

Starting point is 00:39:24 So my first chunk is the biggest chunk. It was like a 20 minute chunk. 20 minutes? And ended up with a magic trick. Okay, what's the trick at the end? It's a trick called the fuck you card trick. So it's a perfect thing for a New York show. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:39:36 It's a trick that I invented. You invented it. Yeah, all the tricks in my act are original. So you came up with your own tricks? Well, so yeah, so the idea was I was doing, I loved magic. There's an old saying, then the magician came up about like magic is awesome. It's magicians who ruin it.

Starting point is 00:39:52 So I love magic, the art of magic, but as I did more comedy and I was keeping them separate, I was like, oh, comedians are actual artists who are writing their own shit. Like they have an idea about something, they write the bit and somebody else has that bit they take it out. Like it's very much about coming up with your own point of view, your own material. And some people just take people's stuff. But go ahead.

Starting point is 00:40:10 Well, those people, but also there's there are norms in comedy where if you are a hack or a thief, I people frown upon it. Right. There are mechanisms. Some of them. But in magic, you want to take other people's tricks. You know, you shouldn't. That's the whole thing. But make it your own though. But I disagree with you want to take other people's tricks. You know, you shouldn't. That's the whole thing. But make it your own though. But I disagree with that. Well, how many nickel tricks can you do? Well, so that's my whole, so I started a lecture called You Were All Terrible.

Starting point is 00:40:33 And I really just wanted to start a lecture because there's like magic conventions and math. You sound like like a mother. Yeah. So the first slide just says You Were All Terrible. Yeah. And the idea is any other art form, you start with the idea first.

Starting point is 00:40:43 Like, if you're a painter, I want to paint this guy. Then you go out and buy the paints, or you then you figure out what you need to do to pick that. Or in comedy, I wanna write a joke about this, and then you write the joke. With magic, you go to the magic store, you buy the trick, and then you go,

Starting point is 00:40:55 how do I jam this into my act? And so you come up with some bullshit story. And the analogy I use is that it's like kind of like buying an iPhone. And then if you have a different case than somebody else, you still both have iPhones. Yeah. You don't really, you're not creating, you're a cover band.

Starting point is 00:41:08 Right. And that's most magicians. I would say 95% or more are doing tricks they didn't invent with scripts they didn't write based on other people's acts. Right. So you're just, you know, it's they're doing a Beatles song and then acting like they're John Lennon. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:41:21 And I don't think it needs to be that way. And so I had been starting that lecture and I kind of felt like I wanted to put my money where my mouth was. And so I started developing a show of magic tricks developed the way I stand up. I wanted to be, there's a lot of magicians who do comedy. And I really wanted to people to walk away

Starting point is 00:41:38 and feel like they saw a comedian who did magic. Yeah. So like if you took all the tricks out, you still saw a killer hour of stand up. Yeah. Because every trick is based killer hour of standup. Yeah. Cause every trick is based on my standup material. Okay. And so that was the approach.

Starting point is 00:41:48 So every trick in the act is based on like the fuck you card trick, I wrote the script for the trick. I was like, this would be really funny if this is what happens. And then I was like, oh shit, now I have to figure, I'm not a wizard. So now I have to figure out how to make this trick work. And so then you work backwards and figure out the method for it. As opposed to owning a trick already and the figure out how to repaint it. So it feels like you're right.

Starting point is 00:42:08 Right. Right. I think joke around the trick. You wrote the joke and then how to make the trick. Exactly. And it's how we'll stand up right bit. Yeah. You're like, I want to do a bit about this. And then the struggle is like, you know, how do I make this funny? How do I make this engaging? And so it's using that method. What's the what's the trick? What what happens? You don't have to tell me. The fuck you card trick. You are all terrible. Oh, there's the book.

Starting point is 00:42:28 You are all terrible. You wrote a book. Well, so it's been a lecture I've been giving for like eight years, 10 years. Volume nine. So the volume nine, so there is a very famous magic series called the Tarbell Course in Magic.

Starting point is 00:42:40 And there's eight of them. And every magician owns all eight and they all look the same except each one has a different color. And so if you look at any magician's bookshelf, they have these eight of them. And every magician owns all eight and they all look the same except each one is a different color. And so if you look at any magician's bookshelf, they have these eight lined up. So if you buy my book, you have a ninth one. Oh, okay, one more than all of your friends.

Starting point is 00:42:53 Okay, that's great. That's a great idea. Very creative. But during the pandemic, I was like, if I don't turn this into a book now, I'm never gonna become a book. Right. But it's really cool.

Starting point is 00:43:02 David Copperfield wrote the final word of the book. Wow. And he wrote the word. You know David? yeah, yeah. Wow. Yeah, he's in Vegas. Yeah, he's just a man. She's like the nicest. So what's the trick? What's the fuck you, Patrick? The fuck you, Patrick, the idea was I wanted, I wanted there to be a, it's hard. There's a lot of cartrix in magic. Yeah. I mean, get into why I don't know how often people interact with playing cards outside of maybe they go to a casino or like there's a poker game once in a while, but they're not that common objects. Yeah, so I was going to do a card trick in the show. I wanted to be a little bit of an anti-card trick. So essentially I have all these jokes about the Bible and Harry Potter and those are props that are incorporating to the trick, but the meat of it is they name any card. They're holding a book with an envelope inside. They name any card. They open the first envelope. There's another envelope sealed inside.

Starting point is 00:43:48 They open that envelope. There's a card. I'm like, if that's, I mean, you could have named any card. And they really can. And then when they remove that card, it's just a card that says, fuck you on it. Which is a big laugh, because there's all that tension. And there's a card that says, fuck you.

Starting point is 00:44:00 But then I take the card and show it to the audience. It's a sticker that peels off, and it is the card that they name. Fuck you. Fuck you. Yeah. Got you. Yeah, I just said fuck you instinctually. Right. And you know what, every time I see a good trick, I want to go, I literally just go fuck you.

Starting point is 00:44:15 Yeah. Wow. Yeah. And it's fun to do a fuck you card. How do you, is it math? Is it like, I know how, I know how to get here with the trick. I know, I know how these tricks are done. I know how to get here with the trick. I know I know how these tricks are done. I know how to make that guys card come up. Now I have to put it. That's hard enough to make that card be where it's supposed to be. Yeah, right? I would say the analogy to comedy is like when you're coming up with a

Starting point is 00:44:40 bit, there are certain structures and fundamentals that a lot of your bits will slot into like real three. You're like the way you do a misdirect. There's sort of structures that you now just do. It's like, it's like, it's like, it's a great example. You can, everybody can use it's like and come up with different jokes. Nobody thinks you, nobody thinks you've stolen a joke if somebody doesn't like it, somebody else doesn't, it's like, that's just like a fundamental structure or technique that you can apply to making your idea into a joke.

Starting point is 00:45:04 Right. And so the same thing with magic, those structures are not, it's like the structures could be these different technique that you can apply to making your idea into a joke. Right. And so the same thing with magic, those structures are not, it's like the structures could be these different moves that you learned. So you build this base of like, I learned a lot about all sorts of cartric stuff. And then you can, then you remix and reinvent and you, and then also on top of using your own brain, I'm very lucky because like, all my friends from Magic Camp are still my friends. I can call them if I don't. They help each other.

Starting point is 00:45:26 And they're like, hey, how do I get this here? How do you get there? Yeah, how do you get the trick there? Yeah. And they give you, like, well, try, you should do this. Oh, that's, yeah. Now, the magic community, I would imagine is nicer to each other than the common community.

Starting point is 00:45:40 It's both, right? Because they can be nicer. And there's this thing where like, when you arrive in any town, a magician will tell you, if you call another magician another magician and you're like I need a place to stay It's like they probably will give you that place to stay really like they're really kind of that way But when it comes to material that's that's the thing that I've been railing against for a really long time is the like I'll do I'll do my tricks on a magic invention and then I'll see them in other places immediately

Starting point is 00:46:03 They take them and I don't know if they mean it maliciously, all of them. Right. It's just what they know is that they see it and then they copy it, because they buy their trick. A good comedian can get away with a lot of things. But losing sleep isn't one of them. We got to be well-rested to be funny. That's why I'm a big fan of the folks at Ghostbend.

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Starting point is 00:50:44 i think it knows the story. Rich, I'm doing a podcast with Harrison Greenbomb right now. Well, how'd you get him? Well, he was headlining a circus, Circus Olatio in Vegas for a while. And he was telling me about the first time you guys met. I don't remember, but I'm sure he does because I'm a fucking major act. What did he say to the first time? I was in an autograph line. You're in an autograph line. At Joan's Beach. Joan's Beach. Opiania, things. Your virus. Yeah, it isio and I believe you said what are you smiling at what do you smiling at what do you smile at I didn't say that well that's not what to be clear

Starting point is 00:51:37 I also said that's not what this queer saying I also said I love you and I think you're amazing yes I also said I love you and I think you're amazing. Yes. Well, did I sign? You did sign. All right, so what the fuck? Well, I told them I don't think I said that, but go ahead. Well, I've said that we've all changed. That was a long time ago and a different time.

Starting point is 00:52:00 And you're a nicer person now. You're a more time person. Yeah, I mean, that thing, you were a nicer person now, you're a more time person. Yeah, I mean, bad thing, you were allowed to say it, I would now I would say fuck off. Fuck off. Fuck off. Fuck off. Fuck off.

Starting point is 00:52:15 Fuck off. Fuck off. That's sinner. Ah. Ah. Ah. Ah. No.

Starting point is 00:52:23 I wouldn't, first of all, how are you saying know is I'm nice whenever I saw him in Vegas? I was always a total sweetheart. What's that? I said, I love you. That's, I said, the, the, the, the sort of, before I said the story, I made a, I wanted to be very clear that I think you're amazing. You hung up. There's nobody better.

Starting point is 00:52:44 There's nobody better. There's nobody better. So you went out there and you did this, you're doing stand-up, you're doing magic, you're doing, oh, you're getting paid good money. Yeah, it's great money. Yeah, okay. So you're making great money.

Starting point is 00:52:56 You got a residency for a year. You're in a half. A year and a half, you got to do this thing. Most guys, you're right. Now that's Foss's dream, by the way. If he wants it, he can have it. Not. But he wanted, he wants the dance. He wants the residency. He wants to go to Vegas, have a hotel, do his show like a

Starting point is 00:53:14 Vitty Fevaredo type thing where he goes out and trashes the crowd and Don Rikkels and he can golf during the day, do his dumb shows at night. You know what I mean? That's his dream gig. Why would you give that up? Why would you walk away from that? I did 650 shows and I felt like I'd reach a point where I wanted to really just focus on my own stuff. And that was the whole thing was like getting out specials and albums and all that kind of stuff. Ten shows a week was a physical drain. Yeah. I left very little time for all the creative stuff that I wanted to be doing.

Starting point is 00:53:49 Did you have a house out there? A house of the pool, the whole thing. And you were renting it or bought it? You bought it. You rented it. Okay, so now you're back here? Yeah, so I've been looking at apartments all this week. So hopefully we're moved back in the city by mid-Devember.

Starting point is 00:54:02 And you got a lot of money saved up? I tried to save as much as I could while I was out there. So that's going to be helpful for sure. So hopefully we're moved back in the city by mid-Devember. And you got a lot of money saved up? I tried to save as much as I could while I was out there. So that's going to be helpful for sure. Okay, so now you're coming back here, what's your plan? The plan is I finally get to, so like, I, that show that I've been developing, it's Harrison Greenbell and what just happened.

Starting point is 00:54:18 That I want to tape as a special and get it out there. And because the other thing is comedians put their hour out, burn it down to a new hour. Yeah. A lot of magicians just do the same act till they die. Sure. And I definitely want to avoid that as much as possible. So I want to get this whole show out.

Starting point is 00:54:32 I've been working on it for at this point in probably 15 years. So get that out there. Let people see it. I think it's a cool, I think it's a blend of comedy magic that hasn't really been out there. Definitely not in a long time. And then start working on the second show. You know, my friend Jack Vaughn has a comedy. I spoke to Jack.

Starting point is 00:54:53 I spoke to Jack. Yeah, I told him about you. He's got a show he does. Yes, I, yeah, yeah. And we'll see. I know he's trying to pitch it and all. Okay. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:55:02 He loves, he's into magic. I, I think magic is like comedy, or wrestling, there's like, we get in it, and then we fall out of it, we go to something else. And I think magic's gonna have a big comeback, because it was big for a minute. It gets big every like 10 years, like we get fascinated with it again.

Starting point is 00:55:22 I mean, the challenge is that thing of like 95% of magicians are doing each other shit. And so it's, imagine if you went to the comedy club and then after you've been, you know, you've seen a headliner in a room. And then by the third headliner, you're like, these tricks are repeating. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:55:37 And so that can kill it. So it's, I'm trying to still. That's what's happening in comedy now. Well, crowd work, all the tricks behind crowd work and then everybody's putting every crowd work bit out imaginable. It loses a little bit of the magic. Yeah, I think so, and you can tell who's natural at it

Starting point is 00:55:52 and who's not. Right. I think bad crowd work clips online. It's blows my mind. You don't have to post it. Bad is forcing you to post. You bombing with crowd work. It's bad.

Starting point is 00:56:03 And when you can see them just forcing something. You know, I mean, good. Too many questions. You can also edit it out. Where you from? What do you do? What's your name? What's your mother's name? What you're made name? What does she do for work? The full job interview. Enough dude. Fucking. Yeah. But yeah, because I remember when Chris Angel. fucking jada. Uh, but yeah, because I remember when Chris Angel. So Chris Angel, do it. You're laughing for some reason. I, but Chris Angel, he was the one who kind of brought magic back his show, his little thing that he was saying.

Starting point is 00:56:38 Freak. Mind freak. He brought it back into the mainstream again because he he started doing magic in a way that wasn't done Up until him it was always David some dude in a suit with a dumb broad next Well, you're missing so you had Doug Henning Doug Henning dressed you know just like a hippie in a time when hippies were cool. Okay, right? Yeah, 70s sure And then Copperfield comes along reinvents magic makes it theatrical He is a background also where he loves musical theater and so you can see that and it's he's telling a story and then Copperfield comes along, reinvents magic, makes it theatrical. He is a background also where he loves musical theater and so you can see that and he's telling a story.

Starting point is 00:57:09 Yeah, he told our form goes from, I mean, one of the biggest leaps of an art form in one person, right? Revolutionizes the whole art form. Still probably the goat, right? Like he's just the greatest. Copperfield was awesome because it was this event. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:57:26 He made an event that you're staying home to watch. And he inspired your imagination, like he's gonna make the statue of Liberty disappear. That's insane. Yeah, when he made the Hawaii volcano. Oh, that's unbelievable. He threw the Great Wall of China. It was an event.

Starting point is 00:57:39 He made this big thing that we were like, oh, we gotta watch this tonight. Yeah. And then the next one I would say before Christo. Penetell is, well, and penetell are also, they're doing this great, like the magic's bad boys, deconstructing magic. Sure.

Starting point is 00:57:52 They're also revolutions trying to are form a totally different and interesting way. But like David Blaine comes along at a street magic where he's flipping the camera around. So you're seeing the audience's reaction. Yeah, but David Blaine was the faces of death of magic. You know what I mean? You couldn't, like you saw this stuff, you heard this guy. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:58:10 He was really not on TV TV. It was like, ABC. It was out there. Yeah, but then, but his little levitation shit, you had a, you know, it was on, but, like, you had to go find it somewhere. You know what I mean? Well, I think the, the, the, really never like a regular show. He came on, did his thing, but when it was off.

Starting point is 00:58:26 He was specials. Yeah, he did his special, and he was great, but it was, I hear you. I think Chris comes kind of, Chris's specials are after that. Yeah, but Blaine would do, I love Blaine, I think he's great, but he would do stuff like, I'm gonna stick a needle through my face,

Starting point is 00:58:40 and he would just stick a needle through his face. And you're like, well, he's interesting. That's not magic, that's a needle through your face. But that's a throwback to Houdini. I want to see your head get lopped off. And then I want you to see tightrope between buildings. Like Chris, I think was a mix between copperfield, traditional magic and what David was doing was kind of edgy, this cool dude, long hair,

Starting point is 00:59:06 doing crazy shit. Yeah, I mean, he had that weird, like, because it wasn't, it was that hard, it was like that heavy metal band magician. What is that? Yeah, like that's the vibe. Yeah, he's the dang cook of magic. That's a very app description. I think that's probably the way to go. Yeah, he's the dang cook of magic. That's a very app description.

Starting point is 00:59:26 I think that's probably the way to go. Yeah, he's, yeah. I mean, he shouldn't be sure at least any more by the way. I'm sorry brother, you're in better shape to me. I know it. I'm a fan. But you look like a brajuto. And he's suing you.

Starting point is 00:59:43 Well, he threatened to sue me. Why? So he opened up, well, every year I do this sort of like, you know how like, Kendler would do like the state of the comedy union. I thought it'd be really fun to do sort of like a state of the magic union. So I would do this roast.

Starting point is 00:59:56 Yeah. I do a roast of magic. Yeah. And I would hit everybody. So I got up to this roast in, it would have been 2021. Yeah, 2021. Cause oh I guess I guess sir started 2022 and now we're in 2023.

Starting point is 01:00:11 So yeah, so the end of 2021, I'm doing it as a stream, like virtual still. And I'm like, how do I end the roast? And I'm hitting every major magician and Chris Angel opened up a restaurant called Chris Angels Cablip and the Cablip stands for Chris Angels Breakfast Lunch in Pizza. So it's Chris Angels, Chris Angels, Breakfast Lunch in Pizza.

Starting point is 01:00:31 That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Exactly. It's stupid. It's a restaurant in the middle of the desert. Okay, first of all, people around him hate him. A lot of people. They, though, his closest people hate him. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:00:44 Like people, the fact that if I said mama, to my wife, I call her mama, it's an Italian thing. Okay. Mama, I'm gonna open up a breakfast lunch or breakfast call a Cablebubb. Bobby's Cablebubb. She'd be like, no, you're not. Right, exactly.

Starting point is 01:00:56 I can't leave the house with blue shirt and blue pants. You understand me? He opened Cablebubb. He opened, oh God. And there, it has a, there's a champagne table at this diner. They're handing a spot. Hold on a momento.

Starting point is 01:01:08 If I hear another fucking beep sound in my headphones, I'm gonna break your fingers, Max. That's, that's Danny. No, but Max, I'm putting it on you. That's leadership. You control Danny, or I fucking take take a finger like the Yakuza. Hi, I got it. So he, and there's, if you look at the Google Maps of it,

Starting point is 01:01:35 there's two handicapped spots and then closer to the door is his private spot. This is the real menu, right? This is the real one. This is the real menu. Okay, This is the real one. This is the real menu. Okay, tell me what's on the first one. Here's a, what does it say Danny? No, Danny will read it.

Starting point is 01:01:51 Read it. It's just like breakfast lunch. Read it. The whole menu? No, just some of them you fuck. Two eggs at his shitty stop the show with breaks. Two eggs at his dials. So it's not magic names.

Starting point is 01:02:05 It's just regular shit. Mozzarella sticks. There's some sandwich wraps and rock and roll. You can order rock and roll. How do you get rock and roll? Sandwiches wraps and rock and roll. So the big pickle. This is in the middle of nowhere.

Starting point is 01:02:20 In the middle, you have to, you get to Las Vegas. There's already a desert in the middle of nowhere and then drive another hour into nowhere. You have to, you get to Las Vegas, there's already a desert in the middle of nowhere, and then drive another hour into nowhere. Really? Wow. So, at the end of my road, I guess. Is there photos of it? Oh, yeah.

Starting point is 01:02:33 Can I see photos of it, Danny? Yes. That would be good, right? Danny? Yes. As the guy who's supposed to do the computer quicker? One, two, three, four. A must.

Starting point is 01:02:43 We're almost there. Six, seven, eight, nine. Almost, we're almost there. Six, seven, eight, nine. It would be faster to drive a lip and blip. 12, 13, four. There it is. What does it say? So it's Chris Angels, Chris Angels, breakfast, lunch and pizza.

Starting point is 01:02:56 There's a look out. It's lunch and pizza. Cablep. It's called Cablep. It's called Cablep. Why would he call it Cablep? Great question. It's great question. Oh, they've actually obtained other websites. That's a newablep. It's called Cablep. Why would he call it Cablep? Great question. Well, they've actually obtained other websites.

Starting point is 01:03:07 That's the new way I think. Okay, yeah. Okay, he puts his kids in there. Wow, he added some stuff to it. Okay, so that's in the middle of nowhere. So I make some roast jokes about this restaurant. Go to the pizza, go back to the pizza. I wanna say the pizza, I'm fucking starving.

Starting point is 01:03:20 Well, Chris is Greek, so you know he knows a lot about pizza. Okay. Greek pizza is pretty good. That's pretty good. I like Greek pizzas a thing. That's actually Chicago pizza, but go ahead. All right, fuck it. Sure.

Starting point is 01:03:32 So I do some roast jokes about it, and then they go, you know, the website is eatblip.com or kablip.com. It's not kabliprestron.com. A fact that I know, because I bought kabliprestron.com. You bought it. I bought it and I uploaded a parry. So it looks exactly like that menu,

Starting point is 01:03:46 but it's very clearly a parody of that menu. Is that it? And there's cabliprestaurant.com. So it looks pretty close, but it's clearly a parody. Right. I'm legally obligated to say. What does it say?

Starting point is 01:03:57 It's pronounced why? Yeah, why a question mark, estimation point, question mark. Oh, so read some of this stuff. Is it read some of the stuff? Cinnamon's toast crunch named after a stripper Chris banged once in the 90s. It's just regular cereal,

Starting point is 01:04:14 but served with human breast milk. Can substitute special K also a stripper and served with drugs or pop tarts. A male stripper with a dad bod and a sour attitude. Read some. a male stripper with a dad bod and a sour attitude. We got signature garlic knots, regular garlic knots, but Chris assigned each one in Sharpie. We told him it wasn't sanitary, but it did it anyway. You get six for $78 or $666, that's $787, you fat fuck.

Starting point is 01:04:42 You call them a fat one? Little Chris's salad is for kids. It's just pancakes. And the flavors of ice is include dyed black hair and beige. So very clearly. I heard it's a wig. Very well could be. That means yes, that you know, but you can't,

Starting point is 01:05:02 because it's a magician's secret code. I don't know if that's a magician's secret code. All right, scroll up. I want to read. Why is he down there? What is this part? Sorry, funny. I would reserve the magic room or love table for that special occasion. Such as divorce, post-furnal morning, we're getting a not guilty verdict and a murder trial. Why did he kill somebody? No, no, that was just the only times I could think of it. It would be even worth trying to celebrate. What else you got?

Starting point is 01:05:25 Three top favorite part is the disclaimer where it goes, consuming raw food at this restaurant has the same side effects as attending a Christchurch life performance, dizziness, confusion, nausea, vomiting, and a weird desire to buy a black eyeliner for some reason. You'd be advised that food prepared in this restaurant may contain nuts, visor, server.

Starting point is 01:05:44 If you do not want Christades to put his test tools in or near your food because he would do that if you do not ask. Fair warning, just because something is a salad doesn't mean it's healthy. It's just because it's a magic show is playing in the Las Vegas strip, doesn't mean it's good. Did you know that?

Starting point is 01:05:59 Ha ha. Yeah, so I uploaded this. You made this all. I made this all. And this was for the roast. This was for the roast. And I worked for magazine for a while. So coming up with a menu parody is in my blood.

Starting point is 01:06:15 This is my wheelhouse. Four days later I got a cease and desist. Oh really? And I was like, oh no. And the problem with a cease and desist is that, even if you know you would wait, like first amendment, there's so many laws about parity and comedy

Starting point is 01:06:28 that would protect this very like clear exercise of free speech and comp. Like very clear. You go to court though, it's gonna still cost you 20 or 30 grand and like years of your life, even to win it. So you go, is it worth it to keep that website up? So I talked to lawyers.

Starting point is 01:06:44 I eventually put the season to assist on my social media. A bunch of lawyers were like, oh, we will do this for free. Really? You want to go up against Chris Angel pro bono. Really? And so I got a guy from public citizen to represent me. And he wrote an amazing cease and assist. He put a lot of magic puns in it.

Starting point is 01:07:00 He asked me if that was okay. I said, go for it. So there's things like, this is the season to say. Okay, really? Which is all just crazy stuff. But my lawyer respondents at the point, so it's like even Houdini couldn't wriggle out of the legal restraints.

Starting point is 01:07:13 Like, yeah, yeah. So I sent that back, no response, of course, to this day, which is good. Really? I left the website up. And by the way, on the bottom of that thing, you saw I've been promoting, I've always promoted his children's charity, his child had cancer and has a charity for cancer. The Johnny Christopher charitable foundation, which is amazing.

Starting point is 01:07:34 Highly recommend you donate to it. I donated to it. They sent the money back. Oh, they didn't take your money. It didn't take my money. But I think if other people donate to it, they will keep it. And it's a good cause. It is a good charity. It all goes like, so he hates you. I think he might. No, he hates you. Well, he didn't take cancer kid money. He didn't take cancer kid money.

Starting point is 01:07:52 And then, Wow, that was in January, December, January. I hear you'd rather let some poor kid die. I can't, I've cancer. I'd accept my, accept your, yeah, fucking money. That's how much he hates you. Yeah, it was a kid going please Chris And it was and they had the money and he was like you need another infused if this is not gonna happen

Starting point is 01:08:13 Wow, no, the charity does do a lot of good work, but A couple of months later Amazing Jonathan. Well you were afraid that he was just gonna appear in your living room I would people were nervous for my safety. No, like I was in Vegas. I was just gonna see smoke in the fucking pigeon And he's like, I heard you making fun of me. There was a part of me It would require probably CGI editing for him to do that. Okay But they're amazing John the past away and they asked me to speak it as memorial and I was like hugely honored Who's a huge influence. He was finally.

Starting point is 01:08:45 She's a guy who's supposed to die years ago. Right, exactly. But he's got two dry tomatoes. Some are still shocking, right? Like, it's one of those things where even if you're prepared for it, you're still some not prepared for it. And then they go, Chris would like to speak to,

Starting point is 01:08:55 but if he finds out you're speaking, he's not gonna do it. So do you mind, you'll love this? You might hiding in the closet. And I'm like, that's my thing. And I did that for you. And so I hid. I hid in the closet? And I'm like, that's my thing. And I did that for you. And so I hid, I hid in a closet

Starting point is 01:09:09 until Chris was done with his speech. And then I walked up and roasted Chris to his face. No. And so that was, that was crazy. That is what Chris felt, man. It's amazing, Jonathan. He would love it. Everybody was roasting each other.

Starting point is 01:09:21 I hid in the face during the speech. Everybody got pranked. So that was the vibe of this thing. It was incredible celebration. Was he laughing, Chris? No, he was yelling when not laughing. Everybody was in tears. Was he just dark and so long?

Starting point is 01:09:33 Bombed his, he was trying to do jokes and they weren't working and nobody was really, he was just bombing and he was like, oh, tough crowd and it's like, yeah, it's a fucking memorial for our dead friend. In the words of the tough fucking crowd. And then I get up there and my first joke was,

Starting point is 01:09:46 you know, it's just an honor to be in front of, you know, it's a tribute to amazing Jonathan that he'd be celebrated by so many incredible magicians and Chris Angel. That's fun. Big laugh. And then I leaned in and I was like, see Chris, it's not the crowd.

Starting point is 01:09:57 Oh my God. That was a huge, and then at that point, it was just like boom, boom, boom, boom. Boom, boom, boom, boom, and he was not laughing. No. So you had to get up, but here's the thing. And then that's February. May, now, boom, and he was not laughing. No. So you had to get up. And then, yeah, that's February, May. Now I'm headlining a Las Vegas show, and my face is on all these billboards staring him down.

Starting point is 01:10:13 Wow. So it was, and his show's getting like, pan, right? He had two shows actually. He had his show. He was at the Luxor. At the Luxor, when it was a circus show. Oh, yeah. And then it became mind became mind-free and then it moved to Planet Hollywood and then he tried this other show called Amistica. So he's not doing a show right now. He is he had

Starting point is 01:10:31 he had for a brief moment. He had two shows. Where is he at now? Planet Hollywood and oh, Planet Hollywood was is a the end of the stats when you about off the show. They got his show. They got a rain forest cafe He only got his show, they got a Rainforest Cafe. People love a Rainforest Cafe. So that's... Oh, I'd rather be at the plaza. And then here's the other man. I brought a prop just because I figured we might talk about this story, but this is the book.

Starting point is 01:11:00 You saw a picture of the book and the inside of the dust jacket. I don't think I've actually revealed it to anything is the menu Get your face out of here I want a book. Can I have a book? Yeah, you have it for sure that is great. So inside of every copy of you. I mean do you hate this guy? No, I just I just really think comedians should be able to parody people without the fear of legal reprisal for exercising their first amendment rights. Chris Angel, believe. Yeah, and those are, that's the real poster. Those are the two real posters. And if you look, if you look at his posters, they turn him into a penis.

Starting point is 01:11:39 Dude, it's just small, small ice cream for childrens and pussies. I had a lot of of it as much. Extra large, four scoops, not the only thing Chris Angel promises extra large, that's actually just the small. Wow, start us. Did we mention this made a Christmas old warehouse? That's a true fact. What is?

Starting point is 01:12:06 So in the real menu, the warehouse is, he makes the the the the location where he makes the is also where he stores his illusion. It's just a warehouse. He makes ice. He makes ice. He makes ice. What's ice?

Starting point is 01:12:21 For the restaurant. Italian ises. He makes them at his warehouse. This is yes. Now he's a his warehouse. This is, yes. Now he's a gazillionaire though, right? I don't know. He's got to be, he had the show for years. He did a giant warehouse sale.

Starting point is 01:12:31 He sold a lot of his illusions. Oh really? He sold some shit. Yeah. Oh, I didn't know that. And then he lives, have you seen his house? He called it serenity. I'm gonna throw up. I'm gonna throw up.

Starting point is 01:12:42 Yeah, you can't call your house the opposite of what it makes you feel. I'm a fat. Yeah, you can't call your house the opposite of what it makes you feel. I call my house Cunt. Because I'm usually a cunt when I'm at it. Oh, I think I think I'm the cunt. Because I've never been inside it. Nice.

Starting point is 01:12:55 There we go. That's for you, that's your house. Chris Angels Network, 50 million. That's a lot of money. Yeah, but you know what, my network is like five million on these websites. These websites are, what is the Fabi Kelly's a lot of money. Yeah, but you know what? My net worth is like five million on these websites. These websites are what it's called me Kelly's 300,000. Oh God. Well, there was one of these websites where you could mind 3000 and it makes me sad.

Starting point is 01:13:13 This is gotta be more. It's not on this website. These cocksackers won't update it Really? Yeah, go to go to those websites allows users. I mean, we were literally just watching and they took it off He is a One of those websites allows users to get in. I mean, we were literally just watching and they took it off. He is a numbschool. I probably fucked up the amount. Can you get my net worth please? So you made $5 million on there? No, I will.

Starting point is 01:13:35 So what happened was one of the websites back in the day had a slider that allowed you to submit how much you thought they were worth. And it went from $0 to like 10 billion. Okay. So I put 10 billion. And that gets averaged in to right a thousand. Really? I mean, it's not true, but yes, you see what's rich fuss. There's no ways more than me. Let's see.

Starting point is 01:13:57 Doug Bell is up there. How much is Doug Bell? Click on Doug Bell. All right, which is worth 400,000. That's Bonnie's money. Wow. Go to Doug Bell, click on Dog Bell. All right. Which is worth 400 thousand. That's Bonnie's money. Wow. Go to Dog Bell, please. Click on that. Oh my God.

Starting point is 01:14:13 He's worth 500 thousand. 500 thousand. What is this website? This is just a road, go in a different celebrity net worth website. I don't think there is. Oh, there's a million of them. All right.

Starting point is 01:14:24 If you just type in Bobby Kelly, net worth into Google, you're gonna get it. I think it's going to go lower. Every time you Google it, they'd shop off 100,000. So, you get it. I mean, this guy, you're mad at him for not being able to take a joke. You're mad at him for trying to sue you. But don't, don't, don't magician's not like him. He, he's not popular. Why? He's not, he has, I don't think he's been very nice to many people. I think he's not popular.

Starting point is 01:14:45 Why? He's not he has I don't think he's been very nice to many people. Really? Yeah, that's my I know some comics who have had the same experience. Yeah. And most magicians have been unbelievably nice like most comedians. I mean, like, yeah, it's it's it's weird.

Starting point is 01:15:02 So like in the roast too, like I've roasted every magician in my roast. And I remember, Blaine, for example, was at one of my roasts and came up to me and he goes, I'm mad at you. And I was like, really? You could have gone harder. That's the correct response to a roast. David Blaine is cool though. Right.

Starting point is 01:15:17 And he's friends with comics. Yeah. And Chris Angel. And Chris Angel takes himself too serious, you think, maybe. I wonder if he's just constantly judging himself against other people that have done better and that. Well, it must be a fall too because he was so big. He has his show at the locks for you.

Starting point is 01:15:33 He's got the old thing. It's so big. He's got his TV show that isn't hit. It wasn't hit. It wasn't hit. I remember seeing, he had a show at the, when the hard rock was still the like WWF restaurant. Yeah. It was the wrestling theme restaurant in Times Square. He had a show in the, when the hard rock was still the like WWF restaurant. Yeah. It was the wrestling theme restaurant in Times Square. He had a show in the basement.

Starting point is 01:15:48 I saw that when I was like a teenager, and I remember seeing some really cool stuff in there. Right. And then he overcame, he becomes the biggest magician in the world at one point. He was the big one for a hot second. And now, I think in the first season, because he was married to this lady for a long time. And in the first season, I remember she popped up on screen and just like, Chris Angels friend. Really? And I was like, Oh, no,

Starting point is 01:16:08 this is going to, this is not a good side for the marriage if she's just listed as friend. Well, because he's, he's got that image. Right. That image of, you know, a player. He's got that, I know his stupid spinning ball and serendity. Right? I mean, his house has a lot of crucifixus. Yeah, man, he's, I mean, it sucks to have to live like count Dracula, right? He really has to have, he has capes and shit. Yeah, yeah, but. And he's like, Blaine and Copperfield, Houdini, all Jews.

Starting point is 01:16:38 Yeah. So he's the outlier there. Yeah, you're a Jew. Oh yeah. Yeah, he's not a Jew. He's a Greek, right? All the good magicians. What does he Greek or Italian? Jesus. No. It's a a Jew. Oh yeah. Yeah, he's not a Jew. He's a Greek, right? All the good magicians. What is he Greek or Italian?

Starting point is 01:16:46 Jesus. No. It's a good Jew. It's a Greek. Greek, yeah, Greek. San Takaus, his name is Christopher San Takaus. San Taka, and he's from New York, right? He's from Long Island.

Starting point is 01:16:55 Long Island. Yeah, well, that's, I mean, look, I liked him. I've always liked his show. It started to get really like to dude, come on, dude. Well, the crazy thing is how many episodes that he had to produce. Like, it's not easy to develop your own original trick. Like, it's taking me years for each trick.

Starting point is 01:17:14 And that show probably eight through three or four tricks on episode, and it's 70 episodes. Yeah. Like, at a certain point, you're just like, running into a magic shop with a credit card going like, hand me a coloring book. Like, hand me whatever you want. Well, he had to get people to help him. He had teams and then he went through a lot of teams because they didn't like him.

Starting point is 01:17:32 I mean, like I'm very good friends with carbon arrow who did the carbon arrow fact and he was a magic camper. A lot of his team came from magic camp and they stuck with him. I mean, the whole time like that's a good example somebody treating their people really well and like, those people doing an incredible job. I mean, they're doing 17, 18 hour days coming up with tricks and he was really important to Michael that it was all original stuff.

Starting point is 01:17:52 And so it's, but seeing it from that, that close, you know, and talking to Michael about it, he worked his ass off, it's hard. Yeah. So keep coming up with new tricks. So you had Danny, my, my producer Danny, in the class. Now when you first met him, did you think it was like a, like, you know, like some type of autistic kid

Starting point is 01:18:13 who got a scholarship or some type of dream thing, like this kid's gonna die soon. So somebody got him this camp. We know it's magic camp, so he was one of the most normal. Oh, really? Oh, my God. He stood out as unbelievably social most normal. Oh, really? Oh, good. He stood out as unbelievably social. Was he good?

Starting point is 01:18:28 He was good, yeah. Now, he was funny. You had like, you, Danny, your acts were always comedy based, right? Yeah, I did the, the, the, the jarred from subway pedophile. I do remember that. What was that?

Starting point is 01:18:39 You look, you looked like Jared from subway. Yeah, he did. He looks like Jared from subway and the kids he fucked. Ha, ha, ha. like Jared from Subway. Yeah, he looks like Jared from Subway and the kids he fucked. He did a whole act as Jared from Subway. And and he won't why won't why Danny why so against magic now? Well, first of all, I haven't done a trick in years, so I don't want to do one for the first time on the podcast and be terrible.

Starting point is 01:19:02 I killed, but why wouldn't you just rehearse it for a week or so and then do it? And then number two, when I first started comedy in Florida, I took an oath. Yeah. Fucking asshole. What? I don't, I would do a trick here and there and then people would judge me and just get labeled.

Starting point is 01:19:18 People would want me to do magic at a show and I don't really like it anymore. I guarantee you nobody's gonna be knocking out. You do it. please do more tricks. They're gonna be like, please just stick to jokes and make them better. I remember when you were just getting started, you had graduated and you started getting into doing standup

Starting point is 01:19:37 and you would send me a tape after every show. We all had some embarrassing. No, but it was, it was, you still have those? I must buried deep in my Facebook. You have you, unless they were YouTube links that Danny is deactivated. I am going to delete those tonight. Can you go on your Facebook right now?

Starting point is 01:19:51 Is there any way you could find? Let's see. Let's say before he released. With this. But I truly truly I'm very proud of how far you come. Listen, just put his name in search it and please find it. If you find this right now, this will be the best trick you've ever done How many years back do we have to go? I don't know, but please I'm at 2016. Oh, please find it. Please find one

Starting point is 01:20:15 Just type his name and his messages on Facebook type Danny's name and you said I'm to private already I think he's already deleted the how Danny, don't you fucking dare. Danny, stop his keyboard. I didn't mean to. Go, stop his keyboard. Stop it, shit. Every single one. Is it?

Starting point is 01:20:35 What? Video's granted you access. Please sign in. Did you fucking delete them? Not now. I didn't just do it right now. I probably have in the past. I mean, that's pretty good.

Starting point is 01:20:43 Let me see. Oh, here's something. Oh, no, is he the thumb picture? Oh my. Danny, you look. Oh, my, you. Wow. By the way, I, Danny, if you want to put up any old pictures of me, the magic mind were even worse than these, the magic of Danny breath. Oh my God. You look, dude. Wow, the magic. There's a picture of me where I was trying to do holding up a fake, like pulling off my thumb, but I got a fake thumb. I mean, the picture that looked like I was holding up

Starting point is 01:21:13 a very small penis. And I could pull up this picture if you give me a second. It's really good. Oh, please, is this it right here? I think I found out. This is not it. This is, can I scroll through this?

Starting point is 01:21:22 This is all, this is all Danny breath. Oh shit, I scroll through this? This is all Danny Brath. Oh shit, here's something. That's me just writing some advice, I think. Yeah, this is you, Buddha audio, no. Oh, here's something. I think they're all down, Danny. I think they're fine. They're probably coin purse.

Starting point is 01:21:38 Oh God, here it is. They're all taking down. Danny, it's on YouTube, you know that, right? I think I probably already took him down. Nope. Danny, if you don't fuck him release these, I have some really old promo shots that are unbelievably embarrassing.

Starting point is 01:21:55 Oh my God, he took them. Do you wanna pull up, I can pull up my worst when you pull up your worst one, welcome back. My worst one was, there's this one shot where it's like, I have my head in my hands, and it's because I need it head shots. hands and it's because I needed headshots. I just graduated college, moved to New York, I need headshots and I went on Craigslist

Starting point is 01:22:11 and a guy named Angel says, I can take pictures of you in my apartment. Angel. And I fucking went and I wasn't murdered or sexually assaulted an Eddie Fashet. So you were like, God dammit. And shit. Oh, I got these headshots. But yeah, it's me with a sweater and like, I just it. And yeah, shit. Oh, I got these headshots.

Starting point is 01:22:25 But yeah, it's me with a sweater and I just have hope and dreams on my face. That is pretty brutal. And my taglines through the years, I was magic with style. I'm gonna throw up. Magic for kids, by kids. Cause I was young.

Starting point is 01:22:38 I was doing like bar mitzvahs when I was bar mitzvahs. So magic. I mean, back to Chris Angel thing there, this thing is still going on. Are you still hating each other? Did you ever hear from him again? I've never heard from him again. After the wake of Jonathan.

Starting point is 01:22:54 Nothing. I tried to say hide him after it, and he ran away. He ran away. I haven't been to a video. He kind of ran a little bit. I was approaching him and then kind of bolted. He just took off.

Starting point is 01:23:01 He wants nothing to do with you. No. Wow. And the thing is like, the charity work he's doing is fantastic. Right. Can't take away from that. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:23:09 He's really, where he's a good ton of money for kids with cancer. And his show, his show now in Vegas is what? It's his mind freak show. It's my freak show and at their point, and it's not good. I mean, my whole thing in my book is about coming up with your own shit.

Starting point is 01:23:23 And his stuff is tricks he bought from other people and did it made it his own, but it's not a trick. Yeah, the first question I would ask if I had him on the other side of the mic would, you know, we're all the tricks. There is a way you can buy other people's tricks. There are ways where you can have people help you. And then there's also just like stealing tricks. Or you have to buy the trick. I mean, you can hire a team just like letter,

Starting point is 01:23:46 make and hire writers. Yeah. I comedy for you. Some of the big guys can hire a team to help them. Like, yeah, that's what he did. I thought. I mean, the he at the very beginning when he's doing his wrestling show, I think he was coming up with like kind of interesting ideas.

Starting point is 01:23:59 Um, but there are so many shows on this trip. Like Copperfield's, I mean, is he still on the strip? Copperfield's still on the strip. Where? Mirage insane stuff. He's at MGM Grand. What like, he did a team shows a week. He does.

Starting point is 01:24:11 15 shows a week. Cop David, David, he's at the MGM Grand. I mean, it's unbelievable. He's, and what is he doing that's amazing? Um, I guess I'm not spoiling it because it's in the poster. But like, he makes a, a spacecraft appear. Danny, oh my god. Is that is that your cock bring that back up Bring it up. Oh you leave right now make a choice

Starting point is 01:24:33 Make a choice you bring that back up little Danny breath or you leave make it big That looks like an ad for a boil dude. Is that your penis? Why green and orange That looks like an ad for a loyal dude. Is that your penis? Why green and orange? Make that big. Let me see. Danny, can I say something? You have the biggest fake thumb I've ever seen. Why is it? Why? Okay, so you're supposed to take your thumb off, right? Yeah, and then I posted on Facebook and Michael Carbonaro was the first one to comment. Maybe you should take that. It's bad.

Starting point is 01:25:10 That's Magic Camp family. Look it out for Magic Camp family. I mean, I think the idea is strong because everybody does that like, you know, the thumb trick. Yeah. And so this is him being like, I can do it for real. So I think the idea is good. Yeah, but the problem is it does look like a penis.

Starting point is 01:25:23 It looks like a huge penis. That's where the idea goes to rise, the penis part. But up but the problem is it does look like a penis. It looks like a huge penis. That's where the idea goes to rise, the penis part. But up until that part, it was a great idea. But it looks like a Muslim penis, not a Jewish penis. And look at Danny's face, man, Jesus Christ. And also in, he looks like a young girl transitioning

Starting point is 01:25:40 into a young Jewish boy. In Danny's defense, most magic promo shots look this awkward or worse. Wow, look at your eyebrows. Surprise. You just Google magician promo shots. I'm sure they all are this one.

Starting point is 01:25:53 Wow, that's scary. That's terrible. There's an Instagram page just dedicated to it. Oh, yeah. They may have gotten rid of it, but it was a thing. So you quit the show. You're done. I'm done with this forever.

Starting point is 01:26:06 I've reached the end of my term, yeah. I mean, it doesn't have, I mean, you had a gig, you had your thing, you had a party coming, you're done. I'm not being more excited. Really? It was a really good part of? What they mad part of? No, it was super amicable.

Starting point is 01:26:17 What they say, could you come back if you wanted to? Possibly. I'm not sure. What is this? Oh, that was the album I put out during the pandemic. I definitely had my Madison Square Garden and did a very elaborate illusion show. And I figured the best way to preserve that show for all time and for people to be able to enjoy it was audio only. Because what better way to enjoy a very visual magic show.

Starting point is 01:26:42 Can I see some of this? You can hear some of it. Okay, let me hear it. Can I hear it? I put your headphones on, guide me through this. Am I doing, who do I, how about let's have, you can play the variety clip. We can play a clip from it. I'm sure.

Starting point is 01:27:00 What do you, what do you want to do, Danny? I was gonna say he should do a magic trick, audio adjust for the listeners, do a trick for you, so you can see do Danny? I was gonna say he should do a audio he should do a magic trick audio just for the listeners do a trick for you so you can see it but the listeners can't so they'll be on my face you do the trick and I'll see them and I think people will realize after this how good a medium just sound is for magic let's do this I'm holding a box you can see the box very clearly I can see the box right there right and you see it below I can see it below right and it's an empty box sure it's an empty box. Sure. It's an empty box. And it's about, I would say, I don't know,

Starting point is 01:27:27 how big would you say it? I would say it's a foot two feet. Yeah. It's like, like a foot or a foot and a half. All right. So I'm going to close the box. Okay. Tell me nothing of the box. There's nothing. No mirrors, no trapdoors. Yeah. Nothing. There's no hidden assistance. All right. So now I let you know that you can't have an assistant. I would have saw them come up. Exactly. So. Okay. Yeah. So yeah. It's just a assistant. I would have saw them come up. Exactly. So, got a box. Yeah, it's in empty box.

Starting point is 01:27:47 It's in empty box. I want you to just think of an animal that would fit in that box. Doesn't have to fill the whole box. It can be a very small animal. Or give me an animal that would really be a tight squeeze in the box, but just think of an animal that would fit in that box.

Starting point is 01:27:58 Okay, I got it. You got it? Yeah. All right, what is that animal? It's a baby elephant. A baby elephant. That's gonna be a tight squeeze for that box You said a tight squeeze here we go ready Check it out what the

Starting point is 01:28:17 Unbelievable unbelievable and then I'm gonna put it back put it back put it back put it back what the fuck yeah Are you shit in the day ready you shit in me? Ready? And now it's gone. I mean, I feel like everybody who's listening can understand how difficult it's that is. My God, dude, that's crazy. It's insane. And you have a special that does this.

Starting point is 01:28:40 That's just a taste of the kind of magic that you can get on that album only. Oh my God. That's a crazy, is that an illusion or a trick? I think it's a little bit of both. I would describe it as a miracle. You'll hold that. Well, I would describe your marriage as that.

Starting point is 01:28:59 Dude, I mean, there is, you're a fight, you're a very interesting dude, man. And you've mastered two careers, you comedy and magic, which is pretty wild to me. I think it's, you know, and I do commend Joe Russell who did magic and Danny who did magic and now they're doing stand up, but they still have that other skill set that

Starting point is 01:29:25 they spent hours. Oh yeah, hours, perfecting, which is nuts. What you have to do to become a good tricks is nuts, you know, I think teller has a quote about sometimes the secret to magic is just the magicians willing to spend way more time or end or effort than any human being could possibly want to spend to do something that silly. So I mean, I, you got the book. I have a book which I were all terrible, which is available at a tannins.com.

Starting point is 01:29:53 So tannins magic camp, tannins magic camp, fam, tannins.com is the exclusive seller. Get the book. This book. Get this book just for this. I mean, this is great. I love this. This is hilarious. Thank you for the copy that get his book. I mean, this is great. I love this. This is hilarious. Thank you for the copy that get his book.

Starting point is 01:30:07 He's got a special out. Well, this, yeah, this audio only special is Harrison Grimout live at Madison Square Garden. It's on Spotify on all the things. So check that out. Yeah, and then you also follow me on social media at Harrison Comedy, Twitter, Instagram, TikTok, all that stuff. Harrisongrimout.com for all the tour dates.

Starting point is 01:30:24 I mean, dude, such an interesting dude. I'm glad you're doing so great. I'm glad the marriage. It's working out so far. It's working out so far. She's amazing. Can we make a bet? Yes, absolutely.

Starting point is 01:30:37 That, and within four years, you come out of the closet. A hundred dollars. A hundred dollars. Okay, sounds good. Yeah. And a baby elephant. And you know what? the closet. A hundred dollars. A hundred dollars. Okay, sounds good. Yeah, baby elephant. And a baby elephant. And you know what? I'll let you blow me.

Starting point is 01:30:51 I'll blow you. We'll flip a coin. I don't like that that turned him off. Well, no, maybe you're not gay. So is it not gay if it's a bet? Is that how that works for you? I don't know. I'm just, someone's getting blown

Starting point is 01:31:03 and someone's making a hundred bucks. This sounds like a great night. And four years. No, dude, you're really funny. And you always, I love it because we fuck with you. You have a great sense of humor and you kill on stage and you're back in New York. And I love comics that go with their lives.

Starting point is 01:31:23 You know, we're all, you gotta do this, you gotta get that. You went, you write a book, you do your special, you went to Vegas, you did all these shows, you gave up the golden handcuffs to come back and do something new. And I think all you people should check him out. He's at the cellar now, he's back in the city,

Starting point is 01:31:41 come check him out, get his book, get his special, watch him do stuff, and we gotta get Danny. want to do a special YKWD with magic. We you talked to Danny and I'll talk to Joe and we can do a magic off. Having incredible. Come on. We can be. We get some judges. We should get celebrity. Would you do it, Joe? Joe will do it. Danny. There's a zero. You offered me. You said the winner gets an audition at the seller and I still said no what Now that was lying and I would win. I was lying. You would not win Not with Harrison. Oh, I'm in I'm in the magic off. Oh, yeah. Oh, well

Starting point is 01:32:13 Yeah, is he better than you Danny? Yeah, because you called him a bitch magic magician before he came You're like, yo, man. His fucking, his up close magic is fucking bullshit. You said his coin shit sucks. His finger, you said his fingers are too fat. I have sort tiny fingers. That's what he said. You said you got little baby hands, you can't do coin tricks. I love the idea of having hands so small, I can't hide a quarter.

Starting point is 01:32:39 You don't have a trick that you can do for me right now to end the thing. I just did the elephant thing. Yeah, but can you do a real trick? Like another trick where people can see it on the camera? Well, maybe I come back. You don't have any like a coin thing or something? Well, most of the tricks that I mean, the tricks I do in my show are like,

Starting point is 01:32:59 like I like to do the tricks that I've come up with and that kind of stuff. Yeah. And those stuff are like big stage things. Okay, so you have close up magic. Not like not off hand. His fingers are too fat. That's right.

Starting point is 01:33:09 I find my little baby hands. Can you make a nut like a quarter become from behind my ear? Like an angle and a bad uncle dress? Yeah. No, you can. All right. We come back on to do some magic. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:33:22 Next time. Yeah. Sounds good. Dude, you got a spot to go to. Yes, I got to go home. Robert Kelly live.com. Make sure to go all my, I got Boston, I got Rochester, not Rochester. I got Fortmont Wayne. I got all kinds of shows. Go to my website, make sure you join the Patreon.com, says Robert Kelly and become a member. Go to comicwearables.com, click the button, get yourself some YKWD gear.

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Starting point is 01:35:07 And I'm Sherman Audi. So I'm just looking for the pure talent. I know. I was like, I just feel like this is like a recurring nightmare. Alright, show me happy December issue cover day to, well I guess not as much to you anymore because you're not a US vote, but to US vote. Not my cover, not my problem. Because there's always some problems. The December issue is out and Nicki Minaj is our cover star.

Starting point is 01:35:40 It is Nicki's first cover and she's been in the magazine a few times, starting 10 years ago. And it's been very exciting to finally see her. Be on the cover, have this beautiful Norman Jean Roy glamorous elegant photo. There's an amazing photo inside of her with her son that I love. Max Ortega styled it. I heard it. It's past cover. For Max's first cover, Norman Jean Roy's first cover, Nikki's first cover, I heard a very sweet story

Starting point is 01:36:07 from Onset, which is that Norman said to Max, I'm so happy that my first cover gets to be with you and Max got ulterioried and sort of hit his head in the rack. That's such a big deal. I know, such a sweet creative team. I know, I mean, I have to say, Choma though, I loved Rob Haskell wrote a fantastic cover story, but Choma did an amazing interview with Nikki,

Starting point is 01:36:31 bathed in Pink Light in her studio, where they chatted for a very long time. We did. I think she's just, she's in such a good moment in her life, where she's just so comfortable in her own skin and sure of who she is and owning her accomplishments, the fact that she's basically one of the greatest rappers, like period. So it was a really great time to talk to her. Her son was in the other room I could hear him giggling.

Starting point is 01:37:01 What does she call her son again? Big daddy? No, Papa Bear. No, Papa Bear. No, big papa. I knew God. I knew God. Some dad reference was in there. Where did we get these? I know we knew it was dead reference.

Starting point is 01:37:15 I thought she was extremely touching in Frank on motherhood and what that journey has been like for her. So I'm really excited for everyone to hear your interview with her. But first, we want to talk about the news of the week, which was mostly met announcement and the CFTAs. So, do you feel like you know what this met is all about? This was quite a topic of discussion in our digital stand-up, and of course, you know, it's very intense timing when you can go live with the announcements.

Starting point is 01:37:46 So the time that the Met gave us was 1026 on Wednesday morning, and it was like the New Year's Eve ball drop during our meeting. It was like, okay, and we're live. But yes, the Met theme of the exhibition was announced yesterday morning. And Luke Leach is here from London, and he wrote a great piece about it that everyone should read.

Starting point is 01:38:10 But from what I understand, it's called Sleeping Beauty, and it's a way to use AI to awaken or reinvigorate these archive pieces in the museum that are obviously too fragile to be worn. It's 250 garments and accessories spanning four centuries and they'll be united thematically by sort of iconography of nature and birds, bees, flowers, flora and fauna, so to speak. So I think it's, you know, a simplistic way to look at it is this will be a best of the Metz costume archives and some choice art items as well to help tell the story. So we're awakening this sleeping beauty. Oh my god. I'm excited to see this one. This one feels like you is really going to be like fully immersive in like a... I hope so. Oh god, what's the dress code could be?

Starting point is 01:39:16 So you know, trauma, you have better, more recent experience with this, but always it's a fun reveal when the dress code is announced because it's always a cheeky play on the theme. Yes, exactly. It's a cheeky play on the theme. It's not like, you know, a direct. Well, and so examples of, like, for even further carlogger-filed, which was a fairly, you know, direct theme, the dress code was in honor of Carl, which meant that you could have

Starting point is 01:39:44 a little more leeway, perhaps. Yeah, it's always so fun to see how people interpret the dress code was in honor of Carl, which meant that you could have a little more leeway, perhaps. Yeah, it's always so fun to see how people interpret the dress code. Chema, we missed you at the CFDA Awards. I know. Tell me what it was like to be in the room. I was, I was a... Well, first of all, the room was... I was from afar. It was at the Natural Houston Museum.

Starting point is 01:40:00 Everyone was seated under the whale, a rare person, not an ozemic. And it was, I actually seated under the whale, a rare person, not an ozemic. And it was, I actually really liked the venue. I thought it was festive, but not too cramped or crowded. And it was a long night. You know, we were, we were there till 11. There were 12 awards. And I think there were some surprises. People seem to be quite convinced that Tory Burch was gonna win women's wear. I was quite convinced too. Yeah, Kate won it second year running.

Starting point is 01:40:31 Yeah, it's quite unusual, isn't it? Exactly. Kate Holstein won second year in a row. So that was a curve ball to some spectators. The Olsen twins the row won accessories and they did not show up, which was not. You know, there were some mumbling about that in the room. People looked great.

Starting point is 01:40:53 People really came for it. I loved Chloe 70 and this big bird yellow Christopher John Rogers. She looked amazing. Serena Williams really leaned into her Tom Brown voluminous explosion. When did she do, do we know? We don't know. Honestly, I forgot she was pregnant.

Starting point is 01:41:13 There was so much fabric involved in the dress that it wasn't even a parent. So I guess it was successful in sort of taking people's eye off of that. I love that Willie, Willie won. That's meant to her. Willie Chavaria won for menswear. People were very off of that. I love that Willie, Willie won Best Men's World. Willie Chavaria won for Men's World. People were very excited about that. And Diotema's Rachel Scott won for

Starting point is 01:41:31 Emerging Designers. And she had quite a few fans in her sparkling crochet. So that was fun. I was excited. It gave quite an emotional speech. She did. She gave a lovely speech about being Jamaican and where she came from and what this means to her and it was really a lovely moment. Maria Conejo also gave a really moving speech. She won the Lifetime Achievement Award. Everyone should listen to her interview on the podcast from last week. Yeah, and it feels like the the the the anisons the anasons and half away continues. She and half way replaced as she was once she will Ralph that Ralph Denim. Yeah she wore Ralph Lauren jewel encrusted denim and she replaced it was a red dress. It was red art. She wore red red art.

Starting point is 01:42:22 Dress. Dress may have been my dress of the night. Yeah, she was your best dress of the night. I think Chloe was one, but I agree, Anne was great. And honestly, she replaced SJP, and it's such a hard role to be that host, because everyone wants the evening to keep moving, but you want someone who's fun and lively. And I thought she really handled it with a plum. It was the best use of her theater kittiness.

Starting point is 01:42:47 Like at the end of the day she just was like up there for the challenge. She's a big kid. Yeah and it was perfect. Oh, and she's looking so good. I mean it's just like, she's like peak. I know. Honestly, I think that Chloe Seventy and Christopher John Rogers might have been my best dressed. It's just fabulous color.

Starting point is 01:43:05 Did you get a look at her? Let me have a look. I owe Edaberry in Louisvay. I thought looked fantastic. And she was sort of a bell of the ball. People were really excited to see her. Yeah. I think she might win for best fashion red carpet

Starting point is 01:43:19 newcomer of the year. She's so... Choma's award. Already. Yes. My award. My prediction for end of year. In fact, the CFD810 for Choma Fashion Design. It was fun. It's always like a, you know, a sort of fashion prom. Choma, what else have you been thinking about this week?

Starting point is 01:43:39 Oh, I've been thinking about, I don't know, I'm in a real kind of, I'm still shopping at my fall. So it was still in fall, right? We're still in fall. We're still in fall. Telling in. Yeah, yeah, so my colleague, Amal Mectar, she, she went and tested out this new H&M packer of a barn. Oh, right, it's this week.

Starting point is 01:43:57 And I love packo and there are so many great pieces and then the quality is amazing. So I've just been sort of pondering what to buy from that collection. God, so many important thoughts on my mind. But yeah, I've been meeting designers here, which has been really fun and gearing up for the fashion awards here and figuring out. What I'm going to wear to that too. Oh, yeah, that's... I want something big from you, Sharma.

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Starting point is 01:45:51 I met her in the recording studio that she records at. In New York? In New York. Yeah, yeah. New York, it's a really great space. And they had a room, obviously, that was, as you mentioned, bathed in pink lights. It felt very appropriate, given that her new album, which is a follow-up to kind of one of her best albums ever,

Starting point is 01:46:11 which is Pink Friday. So we were all in a pink mood and it was great. Fantastic. Well, I can't wait for everyone to hear this. Nikki. Yes. I'm so excited to have you in the studio. Nikki. Yes. I'm so excited to have you in the studio.

Starting point is 01:46:28 Can you describe the amazing outfit that you're wearing? Well, I just have one. There's blue and white velvet sweatsuit. It's Louis Vuitton. It's Louis Vuitton. And I have the Louis Vuitton sneakers to match. And I have the Louis Vuitton scarf. And I have a Louis Vuitton bag and a little carry-on.

Starting point is 01:46:46 It's very chic, it's all working together. Thank you. Yes, I'm very, I'm very here for it. I had the baby with me, so believe it or not, I was going to wear something that was all black and slick my hair back and try to look as sexy as possible. But with that baby, I couldn't even if I wanted to, like he's so, I would like just to do everything that needs to be done,

Starting point is 01:47:08 like giving him his little shower, dressing him. I'm sweating by the time we get out the house, but you know, doors. So this was more practical for me today. Cause I had the baby. Well, I heard that you don't have a nanny right now. Well, I've never really had an any. I mean, isn't pop a bad like three years. Yes. So the thing is I was pregnant

Starting point is 01:47:29 during the scary time of COVID when nobody knew how serious it was. So just imagine a brand new baby and someone tells you, Oh, you know, let's start interviewing nannies and seeing the the people also didn't expect it to last that long, right?

Starting point is 01:47:46 So by the time I knew it, I had already developed this anxiety of, oh my God, I don't want a Nanny, you know, like what if the Nanny goes home and someone that, her family member, she may not know has COVID and then, you know, the baby, immune system. So that's really the beginning of why we weren't having anyone. And then I did end up

Starting point is 01:48:10 start doing some interviews with nannies. I hired four different nannies. And none of them worked out. And so I said, you know what, I'm not going to try this again. And then I tried it again, I said, you know what? I'm not gonna try this again. And then I tried it again Recently and someone did work out someone Was she was really really good He loves her. She loves him. I love her. Well, that so a couple months in I realized that she wasn't able to do certain things with them No, and I was like, are you okay? Like you know, I started asking her questions and come to find out she had just been healing from breaking three ribs, a collarbone, and a

Starting point is 01:48:52 fractured finger. And I'm like, I'm like, lady, the last child, you're going to be able to run after this little strong boy. This is not going to work. So again, I really like her. So we'll see, you know, we go figure out something in the future, but right now, no, general boy, though, I don't have one. But you know what, being when I'm in New York, of course, there's more family that can stop in, you know, if I really need, I just want to end one of those people I hate asking for help.

Starting point is 01:49:24 And it's stupid. You know, now that I look back at life and from a different perspective, I realize how stupid that is. I mean, it must be hard to trust. Yes. You know, I mean, how, especially at this point in your life, like how you let people in, it's like,

Starting point is 01:49:40 you know, it must be, that must be a challenge. Bingo. You know? Now, I'd like to say though, it must be a challenge. Bingo, you know? Now, I'd like to say though, I'm an optimistic person. I generally feel, you know, like, and like I said, no, I'm not lucky, I'm blessed. I am a spiritual person. I always know that everything's gonna work out good.

Starting point is 01:50:00 That's what I believe. I've always been like that since I was a kid, but this industry, if you are a trusting person, it changes you quickly and I hate that. Like I really hate that, you know, because life isn't fun like that when you can't trust anybody. Yes, I can imagine.

Starting point is 01:50:23 You know what I mean? Like, I thought I always had everything figured out because one thing I've always been able to do is figure myself out and focus on my goal. But when you enter into the picture, a little human being, everything you thought you knew goes out the window about life. Everything you thought you cared about shifts. It's the best thing in the world, but it opens you up to it. You're more vulnerable, you have to trust more people,

Starting point is 01:51:05 you have to let people around. So it's so strange. I never thought motherhood would feel so like a difficult problem to solve in school. Like the one that you can't figure out on a tester because I always love children. Like, I always- You always knew you wanted to be a mom. Mom, I'm a bad guy. You were gonna be mom, but absolutely. Yes. I loved, I always loved children.

Starting point is 01:51:36 I always loved communicating with children. I always, so I just thought it was gonna be a quack. But I forgot something when the, during my life life when I was loving children and you know acting like you know my little brother was my own child and taking him driving places and doing all of that. I don't have a career. You know, I didn't have to wake up and be on a talking and on a podcast, you know, and, you know, like, I didn't configure that part. And I guess because I'm so used to planning everything out.

Starting point is 01:52:15 And, you know, that's been the one got you a moment. For me, like, oh shoot, this is a lot more than I anticipated, you know, and because not that I can't program my brain like a machine like I can do and have done for a year in my whole life, but because I don't want to, you don't want to be a machine anymore when you're a mama mama because that child comes first period. That's it.

Starting point is 01:52:50 That's all. That's it. Wow. I mean, first of all, congratulations on, I mean, this vote cover is incredible. And I want to say that maybe one of my most favorite pictures is you with your son. Thank you. Yeah, I mean, what was the experience like of I heard he was running around the studio a little bit. Oh, God, yes. He's a lot of energy. Yep. What was the experience of of shooting this cover like for you? And what does it mean for you to be on the cover

Starting point is 01:53:24 of Vogue now at this point in your career where you really it's not like, so like you're of shooting this cover like for you. And what does it mean for you to be on the cover of folk now at this point in your career, where you really, it's not like, so you're a one hit wonder, you've proved that you're one of the greatest female rappers ever. Thank you. I will say I cried when my publicist, when Joel called me, and that is something,

Starting point is 01:53:43 and you can ask anybody that knows me. At this point in my career, nobody would be able to tell you the last time I've cried about getting a phone call that had anything to do with my career. Like in terms of tears and joy, you know? Every both. Yeah, and normally it are things that,

Starting point is 01:54:00 I was expecting to get a cool on or, you know, stuff like that, but this was something like, I didn't even get a cool on heart. You know, stuff like that. But this was something like I didn't even know it was being discussed. And then being one set, it was fun, but I was worried that when I was trying to do the pictures with my son that he was going to fall asleep because it was kind of like narrowing his nap.

Starting point is 01:54:20 So I was like, oh my God, you guys, let's go. And so, but something beautiful happened is that he got down there. And normally he lights up and you know, must take pictures and things. He's the star of everyone, child. But because he happened to be winding down, he ended up just laying on top of me. And he, I hadn't had my son lay that weight on me for such a long time. My son is solid. So in order for me to pick him up, like I can pick him up and place him, but he'll wriggle out, you know, and he'll get he'll get about it. He's not going to say any made

Starting point is 01:54:58 as one of me, but he ended up just laying there in my arm to eventually fall asleep. And when they said, cut, I just started crying again. Oh. Seeing myself with this big jacket covering my son and holding him so close to me, and it made me think of him being in my tummy. Wow. That's what it made me think of. Did you enjoy being pregnant? Or looks like hard work to me.

Starting point is 01:55:26 I will tell you that anyone who lies and tells women that they enjoyed being pregnant needs to be punched in their forehead. Oh. It's been 13 years. Pick Friday too. Yes. How do you feel?

Starting point is 01:55:42 Tell us about the album. Tell us what it feels like now to be doing this. Oh my God. I went through a time during the pregnancy and my after the pregnancy and I spoke about where I had like, my heart was black and also didn't want to say certain things pregnant. Like, I just felt weird, but this album has been so therapeutic because so much life has happened in the last five years for me. So I put those things that I don't want to talk about. I put those things in the music.

Starting point is 01:56:18 I have a song talking about when my father got hit by a car and they called me and they and and my mom and the call me and told me that they write the hospital and stuff like that. I wrote a song detailing what that feels like because I thought imagine how many people have gone through this exact thing. Right. And I've never heard this in a song. Right. However, it took me maybe six to nine months to get them courage up to even after I had written the lyrics to record it because I know once I recorded it, I would have to hear it back and I would have to edit and keep listening and I I was like, I wasn't ready until this album, I didn't realize how much I needed for my artistry

Starting point is 01:57:11 that I originally had with my mix tapes in my first album that I hadn't been utilizing. You know, something as simple as going through the beats, raw, like without anything on them, without any idea of that. Like, I don't need someone's idea on a beat. I want to just feel the music. I just want to, I want it to write itself type of music.

Starting point is 01:57:38 And I said to myself, the last time I felt like this was before Pink Friday. Wow. By the way, I was before pink Friday. Wow. By the way, I tweeted PF2. I believe 2018 or 2019, because we were originally gonna put the album out then, but then you know, Parker's and COVID and blah, blah, blah, blah, but I for some reason was already feeling

Starting point is 01:58:03 a full circleness once I became pregnant. So I actually did do a song like that where I think, because I had a song called Dear Oh Niki on my first out, Pink Friday album. And my fans loved it, but I hated it. I couldn't listen to it for a long time. Like so much of it would make me just be like fresh.

Starting point is 01:58:24 What was it about it that made you cringe? I don't listen to it for a long time. Like so much of it would make me just, like, what was it about it that made you cringe? I don't know. Right. Just one of those things. But I'm like that with a lot of my music to be honest. Yeah. So you always need to look forward. You're not looking back.

Starting point is 01:58:38 You're not listening to them. I will say this. I knew that I was in my happy place again when I was able to listen to my old music. I don't feel like right. When I was able to not only listen to my old music, but look at all photos of myself. I wasn't able, I wasn't even able to look at all pictures of myself. Really?

Starting point is 01:59:04 Why? I didn't like the way it looked. Right. I mean, you had to me, like, you've always been a trailblazer. Everything you've done, you broke the mold, you did things your way. Like, I was gonna ask you about your style of evolution because I think you just, you just land,

Starting point is 01:59:21 it was like you landed from another planet, you know? I remember like there was, when you went to fashion week with Anna and it was like you landed from another planet. You know? I remember like there was, when you went to Fashion Week with Anna and it was like every little question. Why did you, why did you, no, why did you, I'm in a picture behind you sitting like, probably picking my nose. Okay, well let me clarify something. When I was talking about I didn't,

Starting point is 01:59:39 I wasn't able to look back at my own pictures. I wasn't talking about that, right? And even though I will shit, even though that is the truth. So I'm glad you brought that up. So it's too excited. Right. I wasn't able to look back at my own pictures because I didn't like the way I looked.

Starting point is 01:59:56 I didn't like being skinny. Oh, okay. Having a flat butt. Right, right, right, right. Having boobs that didn't sit high enough. Right. It was a lot of butt. Right, right, right, right. Having boobs that didn't sit high enough, it was a lot of things. Right. And when I look back at myself now,

Starting point is 02:00:14 I literally was like, I'm about to look like that girl again. The reason why I wasn't even looking at my old photos was I didn't like the way I looked, right? Physically. And now I love the way that person looks physically. What changed for you? It's very scary to feel constantly like you're in a fish bowl. Remember artists are people who didn't live their life in a fish bowl or wanted

Starting point is 02:00:50 to do something that made them feel like they were out of the fish bowl. Then you do this thing and if you become successful at this thing, there you go back in the fish bowl. And this fish bowl is, you know, this fish bowl has a million people looking at you, not just two and three and people on your butt. So it made me think, why did I like this, you know, like so weird, but seeing all photos, being able to look at all photos again, made me realize these old photos were beautiful. And that girls, right now in your life, you are beautiful, you are fine. And I guarantee you, if you change anything

Starting point is 02:01:56 when you're body and do all this, you know, do anything surgical and all this, you're going to more than likely, not definitely, more than likely, look back one day and say, I was fine. Just the way I was. And that's what happened to me. I could not believe even some of the photos that I had done. You know, that I didn't love. Anyway, so now regarding fashion. Yes, that too. That makes me cringe too.

Starting point is 02:02:27 Sitting down next to you in the office. It's amazing. Especially the one where she had sent me a picture and said, hey, we met because she had had on a little orange and something else dress. And I was like, oh my god, I wanted to just call under a rock. But yes, I was very much in my camp stage. Right.

Starting point is 02:02:52 And I was having fun and loving it. Because you know what, I wanted so badly to step out of the female rap box. I really did like, I wanted to create a new image of what a female rapper is and feels like and moves like and raps like and I wanted to create a new lane. I didn't want to just imitate my idols, you know? So, I went from South Side Jamaica Queens, New York City, Big Bambuirings, you know, and all of a sudden to this really, really over the top fun stuff Because the thing is the pink it made me happier. I can sympathize. We are bathed in pink light right now

Starting point is 02:03:55 And I feel great. Yeah, I think it's such a fat color. Yes, it really is and is it so your face is it your favorite color? I wouldn't say it's not only my favorite color to wear, but just as an energy pink. Yes, the pink energy. To look at. Yeah. I loved looking at pink. I love looking at pink flowers.

Starting point is 02:04:14 I love looking at pink, anything liquid. You know, it makes me happy. So once I realized that, because I just started with a little pink in the back of my black hair at first, once I realized that, I wanted just started with a little pink in the back of my black hair at first, once I realized that, I wanted more and more and more of it. And so I kind of, it was like an addiction. I got addicted to constantly

Starting point is 02:04:33 how you know, looking over the top. But what happens when you constantly look over the top, wearing over the top wigs and so like that, you can forget, even though this might sound silly, because you think, oh, I, it doesn't matter what I look like when I was, I know why, but you can forget who you are. So that's what I think happened. And then for the pink print arrow, I stripped down, you know, wearing a lot of black and stuff like that. And now, but this is different. This, this doesn't feel stripped down.

Starting point is 02:05:11 This feels like when I first came out, you know? That's what me wearing my real here again and all that stuff. That's, that's why I love that the first magazine capturing me wearing my real here and in years, if I ever even did that, is American bulk. I love it. You know, like, and it really, really worked out, I think. You know, we did, we did a couple looks with the wigs and we did a couple, and then the second day,

Starting point is 02:05:47 you know, I did my natural hair, and I loved that. Yeah, no, I love it too. I also love the cover of your new album. Thank you. I love the Pat McGrath, the makeup artist. She was someone you worked with on it. And I look at it and I love it. It looks like a dystopia in New York. You're in a subway car. Tell me a bit about the cover,

Starting point is 02:06:12 because I love it. Sure. Well, we were trying to capture Pink Friday, but I was like, guys, I wanted to meet Pink Friday elevated high fashion. And then it had the pink and red, which solidified my new alter ego for red ruby, and then when we put the head piece on my hair, oh my God, it brought in all of the Asian influence, you know, that I've been paying homage to for my whole career, you know, Chun Lee and all of that. And everybody was like, oh my God, that's it. I mean, I love that you have all these many alter-egos.

Starting point is 02:06:54 Like, did you have imaginary, like, a friend's as a kid? Like, was that alter-egos? No. I know people who say they have had imaginary friends, but no, I never had an imaginary friend. I had like a, I had people who say they have had imaginary friends, but no, I never had an imaginary friend. I had like a I had a cabbage patch, he was a boy I named him Gavin.

Starting point is 02:07:12 I mean, no, I think they come with the names. I think his name was, well, it was already Gavin and Gavin. And then I remember I had a doll that I named her Penny. Right. But you know, no, no, no, my dear friends. No. I mean, we were just watching your VMA performance and the singing voice. Thank you. The last time I saw you. When did like, you've been hiding this for so many years from us? You think so? Yeah. No, I, well, I don't normally Perform songs like that before my albums come out like those are the kinds of songs that normally are like

Starting point is 02:07:53 The ones that pull you know talking to your strings that are on the album, but for some reason this time once again I felt like being the leader of the pack in terms of I never want to do what other people are doing musically at that moment. I always want to make a sharp love turn like and just do something different. And so last time I saw you, I wrote it from scratch. It has elements of me speaking about my father, but the whole song isn't written about him. And I just wanna be for my album came out to touch people outside of just like club stuff

Starting point is 02:08:49 and sexy stuff and show my booty and show my this and I don't know I just wanted to joy it all back in and remind people hey I'm actually a talented writer I love love rap. I'm passionate about this. This is not something that I can give up on even if I tried. This is my passion. And I just wanted people to listen to my words this time. You know, I didn't put out a visual for it. Nothing.

Starting point is 02:09:20 I just wanted people to listen to the words and be able to relate, you know, because I know so many people that I know Have also lost people recently in the last few years more than so many people that I talked to have lost people close to them And you're expected just to Get up and keep it going. Get on with it. You're not really expected to take the time that I think is needed for somebody that you really love when they leave this earth. Even in a nine to five, just imagine, like I remember how much time, you know,

Starting point is 02:10:06 even when a woman had a baby, how much time they would be able to take off. And now when I'm thinking about it, I'm like, wait a minute, just to end with me. Women typically have to go back to work after like six weeks or something like that. And I have a hard time leaving my child in history. I know.

Starting point is 02:10:27 So. I heard him on the way in here. He's around, guys. He's not far away. Yeah. He sounds a door. I mean, he's the cutest thing. Thank you.

Starting point is 02:10:38 Yeah, thank you. He actually is a people person. He is? Yes. I didn't expect that. What qualities do you think he gets from you? He's an actor. No, yes, he's very thin.

Starting point is 02:10:49 So he could, he'll definitely be able to do the alter ego thing then. He does, but he's not. I'm not letting him do anything. People for some reason always tell me that since I had the baby, my fans always joke. Oh, Papa is gonna be the best robber in a game. You know, just wanna be funny. It's my fans always joke. Oh, Papa is going to be the best robber in the game. You know, just funny.

Starting point is 02:11:07 It's a funny. Oh, right. No. But can I just say something? This is how I really feel. When you are born with a trust fund or a bank account that's already there sitting, you know, don't about want to hear you rapping about the struggle, okay We don't want to hear that So I'm gonna keep a real my son if he ever tried out there if he ever tries one day I'm gonna say listen. No, I don't want to hear that okay I went to the I went to the hospital and delivered you in it. I would joke and say this all the time I went to the hospital and delivered you in it. I would joke and say this all the time. I went to the hospital and delivered him in a Range Rover.

Starting point is 02:11:47 I can't eat, he came back home in a Rolls Royce, okay? I told myself, I don't know what he's gonna be rapping about, but it ain't gonna be the struggle because he cannot relate and I don't like that. So, but the other thing is that, I don't feel that. So, but the other thing is that, I don't feel that people's passions should be pushed to children. Right.

Starting point is 02:12:14 I think that your passion and your gift, you're born with it, right? Right. And so, the last thing I would do is help him record music and stuff at an early age. I just want him to just I want him to see what he what naturally comes, you know, what naturally makes him happy. He really likes my engineer, juice.

Starting point is 02:12:38 And every time juice is like any time he would be able to like walk by the studio, whatever, he would be like staring at juice. And do you know now he knows how to do this dance that we call the juice dance? Like, you know, it's crazy. The baby is able to imitate juice's movement down to a tee. And he acts like he's sitting there on a chair and he's like bump into the music, like how juice bumps to it. And so he'd be having a scratch on him. But what I will say is,

Starting point is 02:13:08 he definitely loves music. Right. I mean, what is it true what they say about the music that you played when you were pregnant? I mean, were you in the studio? Like are there songs? What's his taste in me? I mean, does he have things that he likes? He doesn't like sad music, sad songs. Right. So I would be playing gospel when he was when he was just born, I'll be when I was in his room, rocking in one of his rocking chair, I would try to play like gospel because I thought that would sue them. No, he started crying. Yeah. But he tends to like stuff. He can dance to turn up to.

Starting point is 02:13:48 He loves dance. I'm so happy to be here. He loves getting dressed. He loves going in my closet, picking up my designer shades and my designer hats. And then he goes and picks out a designer suitcase, a carry-on suitcase. I guess he's not checking bags. And and then he go like and then I'll then we'll just be see look at him

Starting point is 02:14:10 He goes in the mirror and he's like talking to himself. He's like hi, but himself. I'm just like yeah I'm like who is this little human and where did he come from Because he already cares about like his appearance. And he already has like a little, you know, like the little source, you know, to him. So it's fun watching that because again, that's not something that we're forcing on to him. That's something that he's, you know, picking up from,

Starting point is 02:14:39 so he seems to like getting himself dressed and stuff. I will say one more thing. Even though I will not push him into music. I will I will say I probably make up a new song for him once a day. Yeah, it's probably like just four lines So you sink you sink to him all the time like it's really like a rap like Papa is here And he's so cute. Papa is here and that's the truth. And you would be surprised. He knows that I'm talking about him.

Starting point is 02:15:09 So he kids, you know, he gets happy. I grew up in a house where we laughed a lot. So I definitely was going to make sure that my son knows that his mama has a sense of humor. Yeah. And that he can be silly and, you know, of course he overdoses sometimes. The run-through will be back in just a moment. And we're back. I really love talking to Nikki about how she... She was actually a thick, it too.

Starting point is 02:16:03 And she has this like strong love for acting. It still turns out. I love movies. I don't think I would ever go back to theater, but it really prepares you. You know, because you have to do that live. There's no, oh, I gotta redo it. No, once that audience is there,

Starting point is 02:16:28 you gotta get it right. And could you imagine having to be, you know what I'm saying? So shout out to all the theater kids and theater adults out there and they're out there doing theater because people don't realize, that's what I said to Margot Robbie on the carpet for the Bobby movie.

Starting point is 02:16:41 I was giving our hug and I think she, she automatically thought it was going to be like, you know, the regular industry kiss kiss and did it up. And and I said, um, I said something a lot of lines of like, yo, you're so dope. Like, you know, and we were about to like part ways. And and then I was like, no, I really am proud of you. I was like, I went to school for acting. I was like, what is this weirdo talking about? My, my, my I went to school for acting speech. But I said, I went to school for acting. So I want you to know that I understand how difficult it is. And I'm telling you immediately it's like her eyes changed.

Starting point is 02:17:26 It's like she knew immediately she was understood without saying a word. And she was like, oh my God, what? We started talking about it. I was like, yeah, you know, that was my first love. I said, I just want to tell you though, I know the commitment it takes to do these, these starring roles. And that's why, you know, I feel for a lot of the actors. Did you grow up wanting to be a, I would have wanted to be a, but where I was raised, those things didn't happen to, to people like us because no no talent scout was gonna be coming in the freaking ghetto

Starting point is 02:18:08 And you know, so what happened was one day I was in seventh grade and This teacher she didn't she never particularly liked me Until she was doing a play at the end of the year. And we had to audition and she saw I could act and she pulled my mother aside. She said, hey, if she keeps her grades up for eighth grade, she could be accepted into performing high school. You know, and my mother's like, really? Okay. But it struck

Starting point is 02:18:46 something in me when that lady said that. I wanted it so bad that I was, you know, in my notebook from from junior high school, I was writing LaGuardia, my LaGuardia high school. You know, you know how you do your header on your loose sleep paper like your school and then I was so young, but I was already doing the manifesting things. And I didn't know that I didn't even know the word, but I was already, I manifested every single thing I wanted. I mean, what are your first memories of being a kid? Because I know you moved from Trinidad to New York when you were five and Trinidad happens to be one

Starting point is 02:19:28 of my favorite places in the world. We need to be, thank you. It's the most amazing country. Thank you. Oh, wow. One of my first memories as a kid is always my grandmother. She passed when she was in her early 70s, but so she never got to even see me like successful. Wow. Yeah. But um, one of my, one of my earliest memories was we

Starting point is 02:19:55 eat this thing in trying to call mango chow. And it's so spicy. So my grandmother would have, literally have a big white bucket, chop up all the mangoes, put all the ingredients in it. And we would just be right there waiting for her to finish, you know, doing it. And then you let it sit. And then I was eating it. And I loved it. But what was funny is when I look back and think how young I was, I must have been like three years old. So the same age as your son now.

Starting point is 02:20:26 Well, right, you have three. Mm-hmm. He just turned three. So yes, exactly. I would never give my son something that was spicy. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha What's interesting is that, you know, in Trinidad, we are introduced to spicy stuff immediately. Like, not that is going to burn your tongue, but just spicy enough. And I just always look back and think like,

Starting point is 02:20:56 maybe Granny gave me, used to give me like a different piece of the mango. Or maybe she used to, you know, rinse it a little before she gave me the mean. But since that time, I always love mangoes and I always love the mangoeshop. And I actually know how to make mangoeshop myself now. Are you domestic?

Starting point is 02:21:13 Are you like to cook? Are you domestic? I am. I feel like I'm more domestic in my mind though. I'm not domestic. I try. I want to be too. I want to be. I want to be so bad. You know, I try. I wanna be too. I wanna be. I wanna be so bad. You know, I wanna be so bad. I love cooking though.

Starting point is 02:21:31 Okay, well then you're already ahead of me because I wanna be good at cooking. I love eating. Okay. Well, but I would, I say it's healthy people. I don't have a lot of dishes because of my career. Obviously I wasn't able to, you know, I don't have a lot, but the ones I have, they're good.

Starting point is 02:21:49 Like because I know how to season food really, really well. Well, if I were to come over for dinner, what would you cook with? You would love my spaghetti. Okay. You would love my spaghetti. So, but it's a little bit spicy. I love spicy. Okay, you would love my spaghetti. But it's a little bit spicy. I love spicy.

Starting point is 02:22:05 Okay, you would love my spaghetti. I promise you. So the other thing that you would love is, I don't know if you've ever eaten kingfish, but from trying to add... Oh, no. A lot of people from trying to add kingfish, it's something that Americans don't eat as much.

Starting point is 02:22:19 Right. It's a thick fish. It already has really great flavor. So, you know, you fry it first and then I stew it. And the gravy is just so good. Like the gravy then has, you know, tomatoes, green peppers, onions, a little bit of garlic, cilantro, scallions, you know, like just not too much that it overpowers it. But the gravy on the rice and the fish and just taste like, oh god. Do you remember

Starting point is 02:22:58 moving to what it was like moving from like, you know, to Queens? Like, did it feel like wow, big city? We're here, like, this is, I don't know, it must have been quite a culture shock. Oh my God, to say the least. Well, my parents had flown out, I guess, to get their stuff situated like paperwork to, you know, to bring their children to the United States. But I was a very young girl.

Starting point is 02:23:28 I didn't realize, I'm sure I didn't know that it was gonna end up taking two years. Wow. As a kid, when you think about United States, you think it's this perfect thing. For sure. No one tells you, and even if they did explain it to me, as a kid, of course, I wouldn't have understood that,

Starting point is 02:23:46 I wouldn't have understood at all. People on the islands, even now it's a joke, like on TikTok, I see so many island people saying it. People on the islands think that, you know, their relatives in the States are living like Kings and Queens. And that we can just send them a bunch of money and we can just do this and that they don't realize the hustle and the bustle of living

Starting point is 02:24:09 here. And so I was disappointed when I, because for some reason, I don't know why that day we came. My mother, my parents had the couches like set up on top of each other had the couches, like set up on top of each other. Like the couches weren't down. I don't know, maybe they had clean the carpet or something. But to my little brain as a kid, it seemed like you said chaotic. And for lack of a better term, poor.

Starting point is 02:24:40 It reminded me of, I'm like, oh my god. Why did I think I was going to walk into some fairy tale castle? Right. And that's not what I walked into. However, looking back now, even though the projects were two blocks, were a block and a half away from where I lived. And it was there. It was a tough neighborhood. Looking back now, I think, wow, you know, even though we, a lot of times had to be on

Starting point is 02:25:11 welfare or food stamps, whatever, we were living in a house, a two bedroom house, and that was a big accomplishment for my family because a lot of people didn't own their own house at that time. I mean, I know you wrote your first rap song when you were 12. Do you remember what you, what the content of it was, what you were rapping about? Yeah, I think I was a little bit,

Starting point is 02:25:35 I think I might have been 11, but I'm a little bit, I'm a little bit, I'm a little bit, I'm a little bit, I'm a little bit, I'm a little bit, I think I might have been 11, but I'm a little bit, I'm a little bit, I'm a little bit, I'm a little bit, I'm a little bit, I'm a little bit,

Starting point is 02:25:43 I'm a little bit, I'm a little bit, I'm a little bit, I'm a little bit, I'm a little bit, I'm a little bit, I'm a little bit, I'm a little bit, I'm a little bit, I'm a little bit, I'm a little bit, I'm a this before, but these are the two lines I will say. Is cookies, the name chocolate chip is the flavor, suck up my styles, like a cherry life saver. Oh my god, it's so good. It's so good. I know you've done it before, but it's so good. It gives me goosebumps to hear you rap.

Starting point is 02:26:00 It's just like you. It's really crazy. Thank you. Well, you're in a very different era now and I kind of want to ask you before we wrap up, how would you describe the moment that you're in now? Like, what is this era for Nikki? Because it seems like you really know who you are,

Starting point is 02:26:18 you're comfortable in your skin, you're kind of like revisiting something in a new way. What is this moment for you? And what does it mean? It feels very triumphant, I will say. It feels like allowing myself to be me without caring what people think. You know, and it took a long time and it was a nice way to let go of that. Yeah, so hard though. It's hard. It's very hard, but it is something that must be done and wanted to achieve true happiness. The things that I would let bother me in the past, I wouldn't even flinch now because I realize how weak those people are, and how much they feed off of my strength and my energy. And so I just was like, okay, I

Starting point is 02:27:08 get it now. I figured it out. I figured out the game. And let's play. That's it. It's that simple. That simple. And I've paid my dues. So now it's dope to just be able to sit back and not feel like there's anything to prove. Yes. When you know you are the absolute best, you don't have to stress at every little thing. You know, it's like more of a calm confidence. Yeah. Less of the, you know, trying to prove things right now. It's just, however, don't forget, rap is... Brabadocious.

Starting point is 02:27:53 Oh, yes it is. And people, you know, you know, it was so crazy. The most professional looking, sweet looking people that I meet. I always like... I like such and such, and it's always the most ghetto, gritty, like, you know, so I'm really... I'm sure there's some of that on the album, we hope so. Oh, yeah, it's all absolutely. And I was just thinking of myself earlier, how much fun I'm having. You just seem like you're having so much fun.

Starting point is 02:28:25 I know. And I feel like that is coming through the music that you're making. You're having so much fun. Yes. Yeah. And doing it all. And with Papa Bear and everything.

Starting point is 02:28:35 Yeah. It's pretty amazing. Thank you. Yeah, Nikki, thank you for your time. It's been really great being in this beautiful pink room. Thank you. Thank you. It's been an honor and pleasure this beautiful pink room! Thank you! It's been an honor and pleasure to be with you guys for thinking of me. Oh my god!

Starting point is 02:28:50 I want to make sure everyone knows that in the building. Please, I want everybody to know that this means the world to me. Thank you. It's big and we're here for all of you. It's a moment. Yeah. And that's it for today's episode. See you soon. The rum through a vogue is a reduction of conda in ass entertainment.

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