Rooster Teeth Podcast - Markiplier's Referral Code - #544

Episode Date: May 14, 2019

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I'm Gus. Every time. I had a minute in post, dude. No, man. No, that's we're not we're not gonna do those anymore. That's bush. You're not gonna do a logo. No, I'm gonna take you know, I'm gonna take him away. I'm not taking you guys them from an undoing advertisement. If you're not gonna put logos up. We're especially guests with us this week. Welcome Barbara. Thank you. I'm so glad to be here because we are about Mark Marcus Edward player. Marky player. Mark. Marcus Edward Plyyer, Marky Plyyer. Mark, how do you know in my middle name? So I don't know if you've been asked this a thousand times, but I've tried to look it up and I can't find an answer. It doesn't seem like a common question.

We get it all the time because we're used to where did Markiplier come from? Is that it? It's like a secret. It's like the most basic bit of question anybody's ever asked me. Is it really? Yeah. Okay. Well, it's your name and it's like the answer's equally as stupid as the question. Like it doesn't mean anything. It's like when I was first starting out YouTube, my brother actually came up with it.

It was supposed to be like, I was gonna play every character in all the videos that I make. So I was going to multiply myself. My name is Mark. Mark apply your multiplier. There it is. There's graphics. See?

Yeah. So that's your YouTube handle there too. I don't know why I need the promo. Were you on the internet in the era of like everyone had a handle? Like everyone had a separate name than their actual name. Like an internet pseudonym or like a maybe What did that name mean? Maybe S-name. I think when Facebook came out. Yeah.

Yeah. When like, then they were just started voluntarily uploading every private detail of their life to the internet. It didn't matter. You didn't have to have a fake name anymore. I was not. We were kind of like the old men of the internet. But then with the whole...

No, but the whole when the whole smosh thing went down, their sites started in like 99. They started their website. And we were doing stuff, but it wasn't Rucho-T's. doing stuff back then, but 99. So they were what like three years old? Yeah, pretty much. I think at the time, let me look it up. I get my stats right, but I want to say it was like really close. It was well before YouTube. Yeah. You know, and I associate Smosh with YouTube because they've been, you know, such a big brand on, they were number one for a really long time. But that's, that can't be right. Yeah, they would have been like, what, maybe 10 years old at the time. Yeah. And they started a website. I want to say they're like in their

late 20s or early 30s. Yeah, they're around the same age as I am. That's fucking annoying, by the way. Why? What? Because you are the age, if Wikipedia has your age correct, you are the age that I was when I was about to start research. Oh, seriously, he ends the same way. Like he's I'm 29 me too. Really? Yeah Went when he when are you turning the corner here June 20. Oh, you're almost a good luck Yeah, you also have a combined birthday party. We should know I I don't really celebrate birthdays anyway, so it's just gonna be like ail I'm 30 now, so that's even the big trio Anyway, so it's just gonna be like, a-oh, I'm 30 now, so that's it. Even the big trio.

Well, I mean, it's like, okay, if I wanted to be all, sorry to come off, but my life is more important. If I wanted to be all noble about it, I'd be like, my 20s were defined by me on YouTube. So I've been thinking a lot about like, oh, I'm going to be in my 30s. What am I 30s gonna be defined by?

Like, what am I gonna do? Probably. Yeah, that'd be good Facebook video, I think. I think it's good. Snapchat. Snapchat do? Probably, yeah, that'd be good Facebook video, I think that's what I'm gonna do. Snapchat. Snapchat. Right there. Yeah, that's so dead. Actually, it came back with those face filters, but.

It did. I took a picture of it. I didn't post it, but I look exactly like my mom, like, exactly with my mom. It's scary. But going into my thirties, I'm all like, what am I gonna be about? What is the meaning of my life?

Like, what is it? And then it all comes back to like, who cares, I'm still gonna procrastinate and then make the occasional good thing. So I'll probably be the same on me. So you're procrastinating and figuring out what the 30s are about? Pretty much. Yeah, exactly. I'm saying on brand.

I've heard from so many people though that are older than us. That your 30s read the links. We're like, we're right. We're right. We're going to see people here. People who are older who have been through their 30s and 40s say 30s are like the best years of your life. Like 20s, eh.

But 30s, you know who you are, you know what you're about. You're kind of like, you don't give a fuck as much. You're a little more established. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But just depending on where you are in life, yeah, I think so.

Early 20s, I didn't know who the hell I was. My high school years, I had no discernible personality. Like I don't even really remember my high school years just because it was such a blur of non-choice. Like I just drifted through life doing whatever came my way and that was it. So like ever since my mid 20s, like that's when I started making decisions about my life.

That's when I started making choices about my life. And that's when I discovered who I am. And I'm still like learning. So if in my 30s, I can still learn who I am. That's a wonderful opportunity. Yeah. You're a band kid, right? Yeah. Yeah. Marching band. Yeah. And we like a smart kid on our student in high school as well. It's smart enough. You know, I got by. I was lumped in with a smart kid. So I kind of just cheated off them. No, I yeah. Towards. Yeah. I identify with that so much because I was like in the smart kid, so I kind of just cheated off them. And I dragged me towards it. I identified with that so much,

because I was like in the smart kid, theater crowd thing, you know, and identified as being a smart kid. That was like my identity and what I was proud of. And so I remember I went to university, just because all my other friends were going to university. University. And I went to a major in pre-med, because I figured that was what a smart kid should do.

Me too. No passion for medicine in any way whatsoever. And switch to computer science, fast like good. Yeah, I grew up as a junior. The quote unquote smart kid in a small town. Then I went to college. I went to a good university. I was like, oh no, I'm dumb as fuck.

There are seriously smart people in the world and I am not one of them. That's like when you play Halo with all the kids in your neighborhood and the next box live came around. You're like, oh no, I'm trash. It was very strange for me because I went to a private elementary school and then when I went to a public high school, there was a very big difference in the education. I feel that was received from private school to public school because everyone who I went to school with knew all the answers to every question, a, every test.

And then I feel like I got progressively more and more dumb throughout my high school years because I just spent my time around public school kids. I feel like we live the same life because I went to a private school for elementary. Was it a private Jewish school? No, it was Calvary Christian Academy. So it was a private Christian school.

And going from that, like, to public school, like for the first few years, I was suddenly the smartest kid there, because they taught me more, and they expected, like, more out of me, and, like, my parents expected more, because they were paying out through the nose. Less kids there.

Yeah, it's more focused, yeah. But that was the thing, like, I got progressively stupider because, like, the educational system was no longer pushing me to excel. And, like, I had this expectation that everyone's like, oh, you're smart. So you're gonna do great for the rest of your life.

And like then as my parents got divorced, I was like, steadily going down to everyone's like, all right, let's pull you out of the honor's class. You're not just a steak, clerical air. Like you don't need to be there. It's making life a little easier. And it was great. I liked it.

It was much easier. Yeah, good for me. So you got to college, pre-med. What was the path to start making videos? Pain and fire and blood and horrors, the Alexa of which you'd never understand. And I never did either. Now it was like I had a tumor.

So like I had a tumor, I lost my job. I had a bad relationship. Yada, yada, yada, same old story. Wow. So after that I was like, I need to get some control over my life. I need to actually feel like I have some substance, like a bitch I was talking. And so I just, I went out it and I was like going out there

and I was just like, hey, what can I do? Like what can I do? Cause I ask myself that, I'm like, I don't know what I can do. I've never tried to do anything in my life. I've never tried at school. I've never tried to make art. I've never tried to make anything. Going through the motions. Yeah, exactly. So I started doing all these

things that I wanted to make. Like I started trying to do art writing, like making a comic book, like my brother does, you know, trying to try and game programming, like learning about that. I wanted to make sketches on them, like, I don't know how to hold a camera, but, you know, I bought a camera, and then I started looking at, let's place, because my brother used to watch them, and I'm like, I don't know how to hold a camera, but you know, I bought a camera and then I started looking at let's plays because my brother used to watch them and I was like, okay, this is something I can do. I can talk like people have always said that I had a good voice and I can play games. So I'm like, uh, sure, yeah, if this is my skill. Yeah, it's like one of those moments where it was in my brain, all the wheels started turning and then everything lined up. Yeah, exactly. And I was just like, okay, let's give this a shot.

And yada yada yada here. Straight to YouTube, though. Is that so? Yeah, started your channel. Okay. You know, it's funny. I think I might have met you a couple of years before you really, really, really took off.

Oh, yeah. I think it didn't, wasn't he at RTX one year to come to RTX? I did not. Unfortunately, I was only down here for, say, PacSouth one year and then I went to South by Southwest, maybe we met that time. That's why I was like, maybe we had my time. I feel like I met you when you were like just starting out. And then it was I swear like two months later, five nights,

a phrase everyone was talking about. And I was like, I think I met Mark. Well, if anybody wants to come down, they can meet us this summer. Oh, they can't. At RTX July 5th to 7th, we'll be there. I won't. You have Mark's not going to be there, but I'll be there. And that's all you really want to see. We still have tickets available. Or TX. I'll see. I'll say hello. I'll be near you. You'll be near there. I'm burning. We'll be somewhere. I'll wait a distance behind you. Oh, right. We have a special code. If you, we're not gonna promote this anywhere else,

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Do we get a logo? We got a logo. What? What kind of response does you pay us? They don't get a logo here. We have a fucking wrist right here. Look at it Yeah, but that seems like first party. We're like we're abusing some kind of privilege that we have We're loading our own of voting our own event. Yeah look me in the eye camera

Where are you? Where are you? Comed to RTX Fucking calm and then all fucking come Still far fire bad just bitch Well, can you always been in good shape because I consider you be one of the most physically fit YouTubers if I may say so Like when you had your tumor were you in as good a shape then

as I had to mature? Yeah. So see this what bugs me. I hate when people who are in really good shape get some kind of this exercise. Right. Like some dude does some animator, I should know his name, but he's like a guy surfing in his 40s, mid 40s, he has a heart attack while surfing.

It's like if the dude's out in his 40s and surfing, it's probably a healthy dude. It's like then he gets taken out by our sex. And there's like some congenital issue or something else going on. That's what I'm saying. You should get a pass on all that. Like if you're working out and you're eating healthy.

But you don't know sometimes. You could say the same thing about a car accident. You're healthy and you're driving down the road and you're getting to a car wreck and dies. If you don't get put on a train race car driver, which is a better analogy, I shouldn't get into car accident because you'd be able to avoid that stuff. It's unavoidable.

Car, universal car racers die all the time in car accident. Yeah, I mean, races. Sorry, go ahead, Mark. I have nothing to say. I was just pointing for dramatic effect here and there. It's like, if, okay, you're a professional car racer. It doesn't stop other idiots on the road. Excuse me. That's true.

Very true. How do I touch that? We have to replace it. It was one day away from retirement. Yeah, but it's like, okay, I was in decent shape, you know, but like some things just blind side, you don't get to choose what life throws at you. And it's like that kind of like made me realize, you know, like, okay, all right, my choice is being removed from me, like I got to do something, you know, I got to make, make the

most out of it. Like I'm a big proponent that it's not what brings you down. It's like how you respond to what brings you down. That makes you who you are. And so like even if I am amazing and I don't deserve it, absolutely, I'm perfect. And why should that happen to me? But at the same time, like it happened, and I can't change it from happening. So I just got to move forward.

Like if I were to discover that I had a horrible debilitating illness tomorrow, like I would probably be sad at first, but then I'd just be like, all right, you know. Just got to deal with it. I got to deal with it, you know, I, if it's gonna end me, that's, I've done the best I could, and that's all I could hope for. And that's kind of just how I live my life.

I'm just like, I have to work now because I do not know how much time I have. Yeah, I wonder, do you science is snow at this point that basically everyone's health is mostly determined by a role of genetic dice when they're born, and they just don't wanna say that. Like, I tell you, you know, work out and eat right and stuff, but honestly, you're pretty much coded in there.

If one of those, like when you do those genetic testing, like, you know, I've done 23 of me in the past, there's some things where it's like, you can see the results of this health marker, but before we're gonna show it to you, you have to read this paragraph that explains, yeah, this, you know, you results of this health marker. But before we're going to show it to you, you have to read this paragraph that explains, yeah, you could read this and think, on predestine, if it says it's positive,

on predestine to get this disease, but it's not always 100% accurate. We're still not quite at that point. So they have to go through an education phase to tell you how to interpret the results you're getting, because it's still not 100% better. Too long didn't read, you're genetically fucked, but do your best, right? Is essentially what it's what it's you can still try yeah keep your chin up buddy

Yeah, there was one that I was predisposed to you, which was like some I disease that could cause blindness and again, it was just like well It's not 100% but you have the genetic trait in there that might cause this yeah, just keep no just keep an eye on it If I can. Right. If wow. Too soon, Gus. She disclosed genetic deficiency. She's not 30 yet.

No, Ash and I are going through that because we're having kids. I'm 46. Right? Yeah, I'm 46. She's in her mid 30s. And so it's like every genetic test in the book, we're doing, you know. And so we find out like everything essentially that we're carriers for. But as long as one of us is a carrier and one of us is not, then it's like every genetic test in the book, we're doing, you know? And so we find out like everything essentially that we're carriers for.

But as long as one of us is a carrier, and one of us is not, then it's all good. You're good to go. So far so good. It's so funny every time I talk to Ashley about a little baby, little baby boy in there. He was kicking today. She's always like, I'm like, as long as he's healthy

and doesn't have Bernie's head. Well, she's got a deliver. Because she's got to deliver it. Yeah, and I have a bit of a mind. It's enormous. Hot bet, Bernie's head. Well, she's got a deliver. Because she's got a deliver it. Yeah, and- And- It's enormous. Hot bet, mine's bigger. It is.

I have to order hats from a special place. I have to get the extra extra extra large wherever I go. Do you really? Yeah. I had this argument for years before we finally measured and his was actually bigger than mine. What's the circumference? How many inches?

I want to say that I have to wear like a size eight and 2 thirds or something like that. Do you have measuring tape? It happens massive. Someone has measuring tape. Or do we have a hat that we could put on a certain notch? If you can't find it, Blaine keeps a measuring tape in his desk. And you... If you undid all the things... Gross! That's your hat! That's your hat, gross.

What is that measuring tape? If I put like a normal adjusting cap on, I have to go all the way to the last peg, and then the last peg is like this. If that measuring tape if I put like a normal adjusting cap on All right, I have to go all the way to the last peg and then that last peg is like this It's like holding on for dear life. I got you here Just what do we got here? What are we working with if he has a bigger head than me? I've got to leave the podcast and this the way this works. You are at exactly 24 24 Size of some women's waist. women's waist size on my dick 24 24 what all right, let's see here

24 I gotta go for the inside huh? No one has so much people that's gonna like you Since you you helped him mark make sure you help him that we do see Alexa should know my head you're on the centimeter side See there's two sides burning there we go. See? Alex, I should know my head. You're on the centimeter side. See, there's two sides, Bernie. There we go. And then, what am I there? What? There.

Very precise. I don't see that. Don't let go. Are the Bernie's still conscious. You know he's going to lose. Listen, I want to know somebody who's got a bigger head than me. Yes. I want to know.

I want to know. I want to know. It's got a bigger head than me. Yes, I want them to be here. I want them to be here. Look how dumb it is. How is this, Barbara? She's so hot. It twists, because my head is enormous.

You wrap a fucking quarter around the earth, it's gonna twist at some point. Cause you're covering it with yourself. Oh wait. See your, it's a number. Oh my God. Here, there. 24 in a number. Oh my God here there 24 to quarter no

24 to quarter that quarter inch that's what drives I'm not proud of this my religious call me ET when I was a kid and it like stuck with me I can see it. I was also super super super weird now say I was super skinny as a kid So I looked like a lollipop, like just a new and head and this scrawny little body. And it was short, too. I didn't grow until I was a junior in high school. I don't want to see what my head is. Yeah, go for it.

Because I have a big head, too. Here, well, we wait for that measurement. I'm going to read this thing right here, Barbara. You're okay. But it's a curse. It's a curse, right? No, let me read it. I want to round it over.

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So almost like, yeah. That seems really close. Yeah, it does. I told you, I have a big head. It's not wide. It's long. That's a minus. Which a lot of people look at you, I have a big head. It's not wide. It's long. That's a minus. Which a lot of people look at me straight on,

they go, you're has not that big, and I'm like, just this way. My brother used to call me hot dog head growing up. Hahaha. You're still the best. Like don't look at me loving way or. Oh, look, he's having trouble with the tape now. I don't think there's something.

I'm not struggling here forever. Like you were right there. I think you're just a bigger. No, no, no, I'm right under 24, like just on 23 and 7-8s or something. Well, listen. You got me beat marks. It's not a competition.

Yeah, well, second place is just first loser, so I feel bad. Yeah, consolation is kind of hard. You're the winner of the loser. That's a good thing. Get a free giant hat. I could get that donut thing put in my forehead. You know, the initials with like the silicone, and that'd probably boost me up a little bit. That's a real thing. Yeah, people I don't know if it's still a thing

But people just put this ring like in their forehead and they're like Couldn't they inflate it like if they wanted to like stretch the skin a little more like they would slowly inflate it over time They did I have a question of why what because then they have a donut in there Well, what's the question? Did you ever stranded on a desert island you're hungry? A donut well more goddess didn't did you originate the goofy hair color for male let's players thing? Because are you in early on in that? I doubt I originated it, but I was early on.

There was a wave that happened after me and Jack did it. Like there was a there was a surge, but I will not like claim to that. But if I am, then I'm a trend setter. Royalty. Pretty cool. I think about the sweet, let's play Royalty. Wait a minute, Jeremy did it. Right?

Yeah, he did a whole bunch of crazy colors. At one point, my favorite was when he did green. And so they would green screen his hair. They would key it and live on podcasts. They would just change the color of his hair. That's nice. I like that. I'm surprised more streamers don't do that.

I believe you for that, Mark. It's your fault. It's your year, Jack. I believe one of the color of his hair. That's nice. I like that. No, I feel like the high school streamers don't do that. I believe you for that mark. It's your fault. It's your year in Jack. I believe one of the two of you. You're welcome. You popularized it, the very least. Speaking of keen things, it reminds me of one of the, I think one of the best jokes we ever did on the podcast

was back when we were still down South at our old studio. We had our podcast set and then off to the side, we had a green screen. And it's back when Joe the cat was staying at the office. And Joe the cat was asleep on the green screen on some boxes, on some green apple boxes. It's an actual cat. Yeah, it's not going to get in turn named Joe.

So then we had a camera on him and we keyed it out and we made it look like he was on the table. So you know, he wasn't actually on the table, he just keyed in. So the audience thought he was there the whole time. Then at one point they cut to a single, then they cut back to the wide, they increased his size like 500%.

So he was huge in on the table. Massive cat. I think the audience got extremely confused about what happened to the cat while they weren't lucky. There's so many tricks and stuff like that that people are sleeping on about live streams. You know, this, like, have you seen, I forget what his name is, something dragon on Twitch.

He does like live dancing on Twitch, but he's got these crazy assemblies of montages of different effects that he asked for his dancing. And he's got like buttons all up his arms, like a bunch of like trigger effects. Yeah, like little keyboards and he does a lot. So he's playing on his arms. Yeah, so he pushes the button

and then there's like 15 of them on screen. Then he pushes another button, fire, just, like explodes, and he does it times it live to the music. Like there's so many things that you can do on livestream and people are just lazy, like me, I'm lazy and I don't care about quality, but some people who are actually very fast. We are very similar, you and me.

Yeah, actually. We can't put up a logo that's from our pants. It's very, very normal. And those were such great deals too. I would tell you. But how would you know? Because you can't even see him. You're just the acca. They're in the final version. They're in the final version, right Eric? No, man. No, I'm done with them. You're done with them all together. Yeah. Never mind. They're all gone. At least I'm going to do a

rare thing here. I'm going gonna have an old man moment. That's really rare. It is. It only happens. I can't get into live streaming. I can't, I've been trying like as a viewer. Oh, okay, not as a viewer. I'm not trying to like break in to live streaming.

Just cut ties here. I think that ship sailed for me years ago. But it was like to me when the internet started and video became a thing, the most attractive thing about it was that it was on demand. Like I didn't have to show up at a certain time, I didn't have to DVR or something. So I've been surprised by a few things

of trends online, like esports and that kind of stuff. Never surprised me, saw it coming, you know, everything going digital saw that. But live streaming is definitely something that I have to say surprised me because I didn't think people would want to move back to appointment viewing Yeah, it seemed counterintuitive. I think we even you and I went back and forth when we started live streaming this podcast for a bit Yeah And that was you know, I think that was right at the beginning when live streams were taken off was you know

You didn't think that necessarily appointment viewing was a thing and I honestly I didn't really think so either Which it was just an experiment to kind of see if people would tune in or people were interested in that kind of thing. But it's like, to live it, it's like going to a concert. Yeah. I think what people crave in a lot of kind, not everybody, but what they crave is authenticity. And you know, the one thing that really drove a lot of people

to watching Let's Play's on YouTube is because, or following people on YouTube is because they feel real, more real than like traditional celebrities or something like that. So, when it comes down to live streams, it's like that next step of connection. Ultimately, real. Yeah, people watch it because they feel invested in the people as a person.

They wanna see who they really are and it's so hard to hide yourself on a live stream because no one can keep up a facade for eight hours a day every day. Like, that's who they really are. And with that immediate emotional connection, there's like instantaneous, like satisfaction of being noticed at that moment.

Whereas videos, yes, they're great for polished products. And absolutely, you're gonna get so much more production quality out of a normal video than you ever would on a livestream, with very few exceptions. But- With the guy with the buttons. Yeah, exactly.

But, yeah. But it's like that one moment for that one fan to be noticed, like reading like, Jakory on stream, like me being able to say, Jakory reading unlike live TV though, it's the community interactive aspect of live streams, like me being able to see that and connect that instantaneously is so special.

Like not just for them, but for me as well, like being able to know that there are real people right there, whereas YouTube comment section is horrible. No one uses it really, and I don't even look at it that much. Mostly it just needs to complain. Well, it's also I think people make those kind of statements so they'll be noticed. Yes, it's part of that. And of course, I want to say, I think your point was terrible. You should have said that. I can't believe that was the example that I put. Yes, it's part of that. And Jacoia, I just want to say, I think your point was terrible. You should have seen us as shame. I can't believe that was the example that I pulled.

Of all the things to pull up. I think we also have a slightly different experience since we do this. I'm just kidding, Jacoia, I didn't read it. Since we do this podcast, that's our way to connect with people. They have insight into our life via that app. Samuel Labra said, is it bad if I watch the live stream

because I'm excited to things go wrong? And that's true, be unexpected. Anything can happen. Yeah. With a video, you can skip ahead to the end. But if it's live, it's like, oh, don't say anything bad. No, no, no, no, no, no, say no bad words. Like, just like, don't pull your pants. That's like, don't do these things. Like, they could happen. Because it's just life. And like, you never know. Like that video, that stream of the guy who lit his house on fire. Like, you're playing with matches and he's just chucking his like, oh, shit. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, but the unexpected, the comedy out of it,

the enjoyment that can be had out of it, that's part of the charm. I would also imagine there's a lot of very special feelings involved with it because these people are choosing to watch you and only you and be entertained by you in this moment and spend their time doing that. Ooh, yeah, this is the guy.

This is the dance guy? Yeah, so that's all live. Wow. Yeah, so basically he's just got a green screen. You can see like, that's what they do live. Yeah. So you really got to keep up the energy, right? You're performing on a green screen.

And it looks, the end product looks super cool, but you got to maintain that energy and that performance aspect, which is just you. Can you go back to the green screen just so we can see the green screen too? Because they painted over an outlet and everything. And I think literally everybody who's ever been in production has made that setup. But you can tell they painted themselves. Yeah.

It was a home depot and got green. Oh yeah. It doesn't look like things, but it works. It works. And I had it in my apartment in college. I had a wall like that. I love watching that one because the sound plays when it says quality content is coming. And it's like, yeah, it's content.

It's like a whole production. Yeah, it's also interesting to me because obviously with Twitch, it's gaming, a lot of gaming content. But typically when you're playing a video game, you're just playing quietly silently. But for streaming, you have to learn how to constantly be talking and interaction with a chat

and paying attention to the game and not trying to miss anything or any key details. It seems exhausting. It's tough. It's really tough. Thankfully, I'm an idiot, and I can just start talking and never stop. But a lot of people, they burn out real quickly,

like doing things like that, just because it is grind. And I'm not saying I can do it forever. Like I've built up a high tolerance of being able to scream for a long period of time over the seven years I've been screaming. So, you know, I am good at that, but, you know, it's tough, it's a skill, it's like exercise, it's a workout, it's rough.

And that's why a lot of people that jump into it, they're like, why am I not getting success? Is like, have you built up the proper skills for it? Are you entertaining? Are you actually funny? Like, have you questioned this about yourself? And I'm not saying I'm funny, I'm not funny at all or entertaining, but I've built up a facade. Have you put the time in and the practice? Exactly. It's like any other skill. What kind of you got to get worked on? One of the downsides to let's play being a popular format that people watch is the people who do it make it look so much easier than what it is.

And all the time I get our conventions like RTX or when we go to other conventions, it's people always say like, I'd like to come work at the company. It's like, well, what do you, you know, what's your passion? What do you want to do? It's like, I think I'd make a great achievement hunter.

And it's like, I know it's like, it seems like start up a game because they really like games and they're good at games and I'm like, what's that about being good at games? Or good at getting fun with their friends and their banter within their friend group But it's always different when you're with a new group of people put a mic down start a game and just go hit record And start go and you'll see instantaneously how difficult it is and you got it. It's a skill like anything else You just have to develop it and learn how to like hone your craft essentially Mm-hmm. I would say to you. It's like going back to what you were saying about the start of let's place

I always to hone your craft essentially. I would say too, it's like going back to what you were saying about the start of Let's Place. I always think that the Let's Place started from the death of couch co-op, where when we got Xbox Live and we got network gaming, everyone then could play with anybody else in the world, and that was great, but when I was a kid growing up, oh, when I was growing up as arcades, but like, you know, your generation,

you'd go to your friend's house and you'd sit on the couch next to him and you'd get the release shitties to player controller, you know, or you'd be with your little Nintendo, you know, D-pad. And you would sit there with your friends and you'd, that's how you'd make those mons and they people just don't have that experience anymore. It's crazy that it wasn't that long ago when we were first starting Rooster Teeth, that's kind of how we got started. I used to take my Xbox over to his house because we played Halo on land. It was like all about getting together and spending hours playing a game in the same room. And now I think let's play Phil's that voice. Yeah, it's all virtual now. Because you have friends and you're playing

the same games essentially and it's a little more outsourced, but it definitely feels that connection need that people have. That kind can't think. You right. I got scared this weekend. My youngest is 14, and we have a VR environment. By the way, should I get the new index? Did you see the announcement? I think it's sold out already. I don't know.

I don't know. I'm gonna wait. I'm gonna sleep on that. Wait, stop. There's a new valve headset for the Vive. They're replacing it now with the index. It's the index. Who's our VR expert the index I just fucking said it listen. I want to give somebody a chance to flex and talk about VR

VR all right guys, what Thomas tell us all about the index. It's called the index Is it wireless? I don't know. I have the knuckles the valve knuckles. It's got new controllers. They're like knuckles Like you're funneling a ball sac right now. Knuckles, yeah, what are you talking about? Yeah, knuckles, you know. No, the Valve Knuckles. If anyone Googles Valve Knuckles, oh yeah, those are the knuckles.

They go right there. Yeah, no, I think that's actually what they're called. I am not joking, but that is the controller. So the reason it was called the Knuckles, or maybe that was just a joke, but yeah, yeah. So it allows you to have individual finger grip and motion. Oh, interesting. So you can actually like grip with all your fingers with, with like some type of feel, like feel to it. Pick up. Pick up things. I don't know. I only play one VR game in my life.

Well, we're gonna, I'm not bringing this set up over to our office and set up in that main area, but to get it out and bust it, I got to move like a couch and everything in a coffee table. And I set it up. So we usually set up like for the weekend sometimes. It's like, okay, this weekend, we're gonna set up the VR environment. And I said to Teddy,

I go, do you wanna invite your friends over? Because kids that he plays all the time with online, they're always chatting about stuff like they've gotten to the StarCraft 2 kick, which I love. Yeah, interesting. Yeah, it's weird. They found their way to StarCraft 2. But he's like, nah, he goes, they don't want to come over.

Like that was a weird thing that they would come over. And then I heard him in that room and he's talking and he's like, watch this, watch this. And I thought, oh, his brother is in there with him and they're playing and I walk in, he's in there by himself. Like, what are you doing? He goes, oh, I'm just playing VR with my friends. I go, they have is in there with him and they're playing. I walk in, he's in there by himself. Like, what are you doing? He goes, oh, I'm just playing VR with my friends.

I go, they have VR in their network. He goes, no, I'm screen-sharing. So he was just basically broadcasting through steam, I guess. He was using the screen-sharing function and they were just all viewing what he was doing. While he played and he would talk to them. Now, is it considered playing with them? Yeah.

And he had his headset on with the microphone because we have the ones with the separate headphones and they has a mic on it, so we just hooked that up and so we could talk to them while he played. By VR, but they were totally fine with that, didn't want to come over. One of them was like, They just come over.

Three blocks away, dude. One of them was just come over. Yeah, I didn't have any friends growing up. You know how much I would have paid to have an up to you like that? Yeah, completely VR. You think these were friends? I do pay for friends now.

It's been a long time. I don't pay for friends now. I only charge 10 bucks. I just drooled. I'm sorry. Excuse me. I'm the best. There's very passionate about it. That's all. That's why I don't have that. I'm glad you think that's weird because I thought that was weird. Maybe we're just the out of touch ones. You might be old now too, that you're on our side.

They made a prediction now when autonomous driving is going cross the hump and when it's gonna be, everyone's gonna want, or the majority of people will feel more confident in a self-driving car. When, who made this predict? They're now predicting it will be 2029. 29 really? Yeah, I think it's way sooner than that. We're gonna be almost 40.

40, I'll be dead. That's terrible. Stop. Really, Gus. I think it'll be, it's really ultimately up to like regulatory approval and government, right? And government moves slow. You know, what's it gonna take for governments

to approve autonomous vehicles? And then how are you gonna build a framework of laws that go everywhere in the country? We can't fucking agree on anything in the goddamn country. No, it's bad week for that too, yeah. Yeah, so I mean, how are you gonna get a federal system of laws that govern autonomous driving?

It seems like a nightmare to me. Yeah, it does. It seems like I'm not really entirely sure at this point what the Supreme Court and federal law does because people just like, eh, like California's like, you know what? Marijuana's legal in our state, which I'm okay with because I leave that way. Can you read? But it's like, federally, California's like, you know what? Marijuana's legal in our state, which I'm okay with, because I believe that way.

Because you read, but it's like federally they can, that's not legal. And like in conservative states, it's like abortion law, eh, we're gonna do our own thing. Denver decriminalized hallucinogenic mushrooms. What? Yeah, I heard about that. They're really like, we've gone so quickly from

weeds illegal. Oh no, it's fine. Huluson check mushrooms, that's cool too. Yeah, it's fine. Who listened to Chuck and Mushroom? That's cool too. Why? Why do you throw some meth in there too? You know why? Why?

Tipping point. They made a lot of money. Yeah, they made a fuck ton of money. It's a huge industry. I thought we would have seen more widespread adoption of cannabis being legalized across the country. Once everyone saw how much money Colorado and Washington State were pulling in.

Flights. I mean, how many states have it legalized now? Like for recreational use, I want to say it's like 10. I want to say North Dakota just jumped in. Yeah. They were like, I will do it too. Someone's, we get people to come visit North Dakota somehow.

Mark spent much time in Texas. Totally flat. Oh, no. When did you get in? Just about a week and a half ago. So not like like standard periods of time in Texas. I ran a tour through here like Dallas Houston, but you know, I really have not spent much time here.

It might sound weird, but it's actually surprising to me that Texas does not have legal cannabis yet. Yeah, absolutely. Because Texas is, well, it seems like a very Southern conservative state. It's actually like, fuck you, we're doing our own thing,

states like they'd think it's still its own country. Yeah, but isn't it still very much a Republican leaning state? Yeah, but Baptist is I think the big roots here, but there's a lot of money to be made. Right. And really it is typically it's like we're going to do our own thing. Like even the barbecue place we go to Salt Lake, it was in a dry county, which was a Baptist thing where they couldn't sell alcohol in the county. So the Salt Lake restaurant says, okay, we can't sell it.

So just bring whatever you want. So people like rock up to the barbecue place with like a fifth of Jack Daniels. And now that they have a liquor license all these years later, they have to keep that tradition alive. So people are like literally a brick. They still, it's still BIOB. Yeah.

They also sell there, but you can definitely bring your own. Bring a bottle of booze. I think they can sell beer and wine now. That weird distinction. Also some people in the chat are saying like, oh, mushrooms aren't the same as meth bar ruts. I know, I was just making an exaggeration. It's just like, to me, from marijuana to mushrooms

is a very big step. Cause like, Do you know meth describe it? Well, I'm not a method actor, but I will give it a shot. We can do the girl gatekeeping. Name five meth dealers barb. Yeah.

All right. Gus Aroll. That's a lot. Yeah. Allegedly. Mushrooms are a thing where they're even illegal in Amsterdam now. One of the times when we first started traveling,

we went to Amsterdam, they were just about to make it illegal because people can have jumping off bridges into the fucking canals and dying tourists did. So they were just like, we don't want to deal with this anymore. So Amsterdam makes something illegal. That's pretty interesting. Yes. Pretty much there. They're like, uh, do it. I think I've changed a lot though. You think so? Yeah.

And they got sick of all the tourism. Yeah, I think they got sick of all the obnoxious people on on drugs. I think it's it's clamped down. It's not quite the same as it used to be. It's a nice airport. Uh, I want to read this other thing here. I want to mind everyone, this episode received podcast is also brought to you by ExpressVPN. At minute, you think cybercrime is something that happens to other people. You may think that no one wants your data or that hackers can't grab your passwords or credit card details, but you'd be wrong.

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G-O-T. We're gonna be talking about Game of Thrones at the end of this podcast. And Mark wants to, Mark, you have some things to say as well. So you just take a round for that? Yeah, I'm gonna take a round. So I did. Last half hour. The last half hour, so in about 20 minutes or so,

we'll switch over to Game of Thrones. Specifically season eight episode. We're not gonna talk any spoilers until then. So if you haven't seen it, don't worry. I'm gonna drop them left and right. But we're gonna, we'll be talking about spoilers at that time when we'll give you plenty of warning so you know before it happens. Anybody else see wandering earth on Netflix? It's that Chinese movie huge was a big deal in China that Netflix

just kind of still dropped the other day. No. I saw they did it but I haven't seen it. I actually thought it was a series. I didn't know it was a movie. It's interesting. I watched it over the weekend. I guess it was like a super big blockbuster in China. I think it had like a $48 million budget and made like $700 million in China. Yeah, but sort of warcraft. And, you know, it just came out like with literally no fanfare Netflix just put it out.

It's an interesting premise. It's a sci-fi film. And it's kind of a standard premise at the beginning. The sun's dying. Everything on the earth is going to die. So, earth unites to build rocket engines and attach them all to the earth so they can move earth to another system that can support life. So it's about moving the wattswrites called wandering earth, about moving earth out of the solar system to another system.

Moving the planet? Oh, not like interstellar, or they're just trying to find a new place to set up. What would you do that? Right. A bay along my flat, so. They're built 10,000 engines to attach it to Earth. No, it's not enough.

I am driving. I am driving. You've got to overlook some of that. Did you see, I forget what Twitter account it was, tweeted a video or gif of what it would be like if the largest asteroid in our solar system were to hit earth and like the basically a recreation of what would happen or picture and you know it's funny about that that wouldn't move the earth Right that would move that would not move us out of our orbit. No, that would not move it. But rockets.

10,000 rockets. That's going to move. All right. The equator, I didn't even think about that. Of course, that'll be fine. The guy just wants it to poll. Just that has a population to another planet. Put a big poll across and have the poll us.

You're right. Yeah, I'm sorry. I was gonna get everyone on in Australia Have them jump and just like keep jumping and it'll push the earth All the way over yeah Send that spaceship trailing the rope out to another solar system and then just our point It's gravity, right? There's no gravity in space Yeah, this is the video. Get a last to it. There's the lesson. That's a really big asteroid.

I'm not going to say any spoilers, but I will reference this when we talk about game of throats. So, so we should watch, we should we should absorb as much of this as we can. Yes, I remember the first time I saw this, it was like this really operatic music, this one. Yeah. I can't remember, but it wasn't. It wasn't. Yeah.

It was very much like what I just did. Yeah. See, that's the rocket. There you go. Yeah. So, let me guess. And this is showing what it would happen to like all the- Nobody survives that.

I don't think so. Well, I mean, you don't know. Somebody knows. Maybe on the, no, I probably know. I think it would so. Well, I mean, you don't know. Maybe on the, no, no, I probably know, I think it would just destroy the entire planet. I don't know how quickly, but yeah, that you ever wonder about that. Like, what if we're sitting here and an asteroid of that side of that size hits the opposite end of the earth, like how long until or like what do we feel like that? Right. Like, do we sit here for like 30 seconds? Like, Oh, I think

the world's about to end. Depends on where it hit, right? Right. When the shock wave get through the earth faster than it would get around the... Not that's a good question. Yeah, because it would be slower going through, but around it might be...

Long and fast, right? The fireball, the shock wave, the pressure wave alone would kill everyone first. Yeah, it was compact all that air. Yeah. XKCD did a analysis of the propagation of data at average speeds versus vibrations traveling through tectonic plates and figured out what was the distance at which from the epicenter of a quake, you would be able to read a tweet about it before you felt it.

And it was, to me, it was a fascinating analysis. Yeah, maybe it would be faster through the earth because if the medium is denser, is this go faster? The speed of sound is limited because it's air but I don't know if solids move faster. I don't know. And is it less of a distance? It's getting, oh, here. So it's less of a distance to go through

than around the solid metal core. So I don't think it could go straight through. It would probably bounce for, you believe that? You believe that? You believe that about the middle core? Yeah, I do. What's up? Yeah, what?

I'm just fascinated by the fact that we've gone like, if this is the earth, if this is the earth, this earth right here, we've gone like this deep. And if you're listening to audio podcasts, it's not much. We've gone like that deep into the crust of the earth, into the earth itself. We've made very little progress into the earth. We have no idea.

I mean, listen, we have measurements and gravitrons and things like that and speculation. Do we really have gravitrons? Do we really have gravitrons? We've got a lot of them. It's fucking awesome. Do we have nickels? Nuckels?

But it's like, what happens if we go two miles deep, and there's a layer that's like solid gold, or massive goal deposit or what if there's a reptile layer? Hey lizards. Oh, we've got a point. Yeah, good be good. They're saying that about Mars. There's a solid reptile core We're all fool and he will emerge. Yes, exactly. Well, they're saying that about Mars that Mars now has a Gravitron. I remember that. I love the Gravitron. Who would trust the scientists than that and get your trust in them to tell you what's in the core? Did you see how dude do the flip on that carnival right the other day? It kind of looks like a Gravitron? Yes. Yes. It's like running around.

It's like jumps. It does a backspin in the air. Human beings are amazing. If they spend enough time doing anything, they get awesome at it. Like, you ever see those videos where it's just people doing a repetitive task, like I met a thing, there's one guy in India, he's rolling out what looks like, maybe it's non, but it looks like little tortillas that he's rolling out. And he's throwing them to his friend across the restaurant who's then dunking them into a fryer. And it's like, thank, thank, thank, thank, tank, tank, tank, tank,

and it's just like, it's just flawless. This throw that he makes over his shoulder behind him and it makes like a curve every time. I love stuff like that. Or like ladies counting money, when you watch him do that, it's just like insane. Yeah, and it's just like, humans get good at anything. You give him enough time, they get amazing.

Or like any assembly line that you've seen videos of. Any task, people just doing the same task over and over. Oh, that's cool. Look at that guy. That's so cool, yeah. Like, that guy just spent enough time, I'm assuming he's a worker. Not just some guy thought,

I'm gonna try this. Let me undo myself. Or maybe he's like a gymnast or something. What gymnast trains on something like that? I'm like, you're training. No, they get the ability to backflip first. They didn't do both at the same time on a Gravitron. Because I imagine testing it on the Gravitron

is probably not your best. As a man who has done one backflip in his entire life. Congrats. That's one more than it. Very good. I worked very hard at it and then I did it and then I gave up because I did it. And then I never did it again.

But I didn't. So you should live your life? I know a thing or two but you know. Let me apply my expertise. Can we get a lower third? Resident gymnastics expert? Yes. Has done one back flip.

Yes. So it's 100 kilometers. We're tweets take over seismic waves. 100 kilometers. What is that? 60 miles. Thank you. So not very far.

No. No. So yeah, you can just fulfill the quake after that. But we have a friend, Avery Mournson, who did a whole video series where he was set out to learn to do a backflip. And I forget how long it took him. Was that Avery? Avery Mournson?

Yeah. I don't think so. Was it? He's got a lot of like, really experimental like. Yeah. He made that book, all my friends are dead. The dinosaur book.

Like the picture of the little cartoon dinosaur. Oh, that's nice. Let me see. He also book. Like the picture of the little cartoon dinosaur. Oh, that's nice. But he's so as some of the best vines known to man. Well, it's like more. He did that about three years ago. Yeah, it was right about time. He was working on crunch time. He was like in the progress of like learning to do one backflip. Is it true backflip's way easier than a front flip?

Yes. Okay. Yeah, because front backflip your legs naturally. There we go. Thank you. Here just in time for my spot. Yes. When you're doing a backflip, your legs pulling. There we go. Thank you. Here just in time for my spot. Yes. When you're doing a black lip, your legs pulling inwards, like it tightens your rotation so your legs naturally

will fall behind you. It's much more simple. And you can see backwards. When you're moving forward, you have to naturally pull your entire upper body, which is not as long to really get the forward momentum. It's much more difficult. I've never done a front flip. No. I don't think anyone has. I was gonna say now you got it. No. No, please.

I don't want to die. It's just a summer salt, but in the air. I can't even do a summer salt. You fool, you stupid fool. It's not that at all. Just do it on triple-in. Yeah, that's all I started learning actually. Yeah, yeah. Traveling is the easiest way, because you can do back flips and then you that's all I started learning actually. Yeah, yeah.

Travelling is the easiest way, because you can do back flips and then you can land on your neck and you probably won't die. So, probably the best way to do it. Yeah, I'll spring back. Yeah. What's crazy to me is like even sports

that have been around for centuries, millennia, like gymnastics. It's still even to this day, people will do something and nobody can do it, somebody breaks their record, and then suddenly everyone can do it. And I wonder what that is, that mental phenomenon. You ever watched those videos of like gold medal gymnastic routines from the 50s? They're just leaping over all vaults. It's like they do a jump, and you look at it now, and it's like, I don't even know where to begin trying to figure out how you would approach that.

Right, and like the bars, the parallel bars, it's just insane what they do now. Or even like, It's the same set of equipment and the same human bodies. Or even like, they talk about this in the Itanya movie about, you know, Hattani Harding with what, the first female skater to do a triple actual. Triple actual. Triple actual, is that what it was like? And it was still, was it triple actual?

What was it, triple actual? Triple actual. Or it's triple. Are you claiming, resident, figure skating? Yeah, yes, I am absolutely. When I did my first front flip on ice, much easier than doing a front flip on ground. But it was years before, it was done again.

I think it's still something that's very difficult. I think it's still something that's not a very common trick for female figure skater. I can do it. How long do you think it would take you to train? Let's get started. As resident figure skating expert, I believe you could do it like this.

As a very unethelotic 30 year old woman. I'm going to have to say negative 10 years. So maybe if I started when I was 20, I'd be there by now. But I can cure. Absolutely. Your assessment is correct. I'm my assessment. Your assessment. Our assessment. I feel like now I'm too old to start learning any sort of physical ability. I started rock climbing again, so I don't think, I don't think anybody's too late to learn anything.

You started again, did you stop? Yeah, I did it like about three years ago. I was doing it super hard and like got me in great shape, but it tore my hands up real bad. And I was like, it was back before face idea on, what is this? There we go. All right, yeah.

Hi. Hi. Rocks, if you heard of them, yeah, it's I bet not. Anyway, so I climb them every day. It's a journey of the soul. I love it very much, but it's rocks. It's rocks.

Were you doing outdoor? I'm sorry. No, I only do indoor gyms. I'm scared of lying. We got a couple guys that are vegan to me here. Yeah, there's some Austin places that people love. I've been, yeah, Austin Bouldering Project. Yeah.

The first place I went and then I visited Crooks. And it's just very fun, because it's just an individual thing. You can do it on your own or you can do it with friends. And it's just like you in the wall and it's just like it's an easy puzzle that you can be like easy levels of progress. And it's just like, it's very fun.

And get to it in like good shape because like all upper body strength. So if you want that upper body strength, you want shoulders like. That's a lot of core, right? Oh, yeah, tons of core. If you use your legs, right? Like it's all about core and upper body

and like shoulders and like, me getting back into it's like so fun. And like my hands are just starting to get calc again. I don't know if you can zoom in on these bad boys right here. Make eye contact with his hands. No, I've created a problem. No, it's not even showing up there.

I'm gonna get the middle finger. This one, maybe this one, do I have any? The other one's better. Okay, both these hands, I'm starting to... This was a pointless exercise to show off my flawless hands, but you know, it's just like a building up. It's like a free men computer. Yeah.

They're so soft. Just put the camera off me. Don't talk to me anymore. I'm done next for nothing. Mark got a softball question coming at you. I thought I just said no. Are you ready? It's easy one.

No. No? OK. All right. Fine. I'll answer one. I'll answer one. No.

Everyone's like, you got to see it. And it's just like, I know I have to see it, but I have so little time to actually watch stuff that like just it's on a plane right now Are you working on planes when you get up here you drove? Yeah fuck out of here took my dogs That's a tough drive when you get detected your halfway there. No, I I drove we drive to Cincinnati every every Christmas Okay, it's a 2,200 mile drive so there's nothing for it. Yeah, and we do it in a Tesla. We got a charge. Oh shit. Yeah, no Let's look me right big fan of the cars. They are not road trip cars It's good with dogs because then you get a two like a break every two hours or so that you can walk the dogs and get some fresh air

It's really nice for 40 minutes if you're not in a hurry if you're not in a hurry It's really nice, You're in California? Yeah, okay. Los Angeles. Anyway, was that the question? Really nice. That was the softball question. Oh, for real?

A rock climber, have you seen Free Solo? I've assumed the answer would have been yes. No, it was not. But I was shocked by your answer. Yeah, I'm a shocking guy. Did you have any to see the video of, it was like some 13 year old girl who was, I was like, a champion rock climber?

Go ahead. Okay. Yeah. Excuse me. Yeah, I'm the only one here who doesn't have a test. That's true. But yeah, everyone on this podcast says test legs have me. It was very nice.

You want my referral code? Mark 2700. Sure. Mark 2700. But it was a some 13 year old girl who was a professional rock climber and she, there's a video of it that I saw on Facebook because I still use Facebook sometimes. And she was rock climbing this thing that went like this. It curved completely out and she was like basically upside down.

She's fighter man. It was insane. Does make a lot of sense. It's insane. It's a human being does something long enough. They get incredible at it. Yeah. It does make a lot of sense. It's insane. I said, human being does something long enough, they get incredible at it. Yeah. Just absolutely incredible.

Yeah. Free show though, I don't know. If you don't climb outside, maybe you'll have the same reaction I did. I was just like, my knees were weak watching it, you know? And you get to like, kind of, I don't know how to describe it. It's like, like my hands feel loose, you know? It's like, I wouldn't be able to make a grip on anything,

the anxiety of that. Yeah, when we tested the guy who had to hold on to the hang gliding. Did you see that video? No, no. Guy first time hang gliding and the instructor forgot to tether him to the hang gliding. So as soon as they take off, he just starts hanging from the bar and he's hanging hundreds of feet over the ground. For, was it four minutes? I thought it was three minutes.

So we just set up a bar and played the video and saw who could hold on as long as this to. And just holding no wind or anything. And for every tendon in one of his arms, just death grip holding on to the second. Yeah, man. Yeah, that's like the crazy thing about human strength that can throw you. Oh, that's so, oh, that's awful.

Look at that hold like this. Maybe aim for a trio. Oh, God. But the burning had the best analysis of this, I thought. So when they were done, the instructor still gave him the footage. Right, what did he do? The instructor, it's not his footage,

it's the instructor, you know, who's got the cameras. I'd be like, no, we didn't, that didn't record. I did record. I see the shit out of him. Oh God, hold on. I know how it ends and it's still okay. Oh my God, I still get nervous. I mean, it's like humans have this innate strength

that like they can do things, but it will break your body. Yeah, to do them. Like we have crazy monkey strengths, but just like, He's just holding on with one hand there. Oh my God. And it's just like, yeah, you can hold on. If it's life or death, yeah, you're gonna hold on.

Yeah, it is okay. As long as you can. You will break your arm over death. It's a preferable outcome. It's also like an instinctive thing, because kids, like when they fall, like they've got death grips. They've got like instantaneous grips.

Like kids when they fall on treadmills, they'll like grab on and they will not let go and they physically cannot let go, because their brain is just like, do not let go, you fall, you fall in and their knees will get scrapped up and stuff like that. My God. It's just an instinctive thing. The number of you I see that have trednels that end in a wall is just like, do not realize

how bad that's going to be. We're seeing it at some point. We're seeing enough internet video to know how that goes. I think he shatters his theme. He gets like some broken. Oh, yeah, that's too fast. But it also drops a little early. Yeah, early.

He probably couldn't hold on any longer. I don't call that early. Yeah, early was about 800 feet up. Have you ever been skydiving or? No, I would like to, but yeah, things like this are very terrifying. Oh, yeah, he's going well, like 60 miles an hour. I hope this is going real fast.

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In it. Itanya, though, I think you what you're saying is from the movie Itanya. Yeah. They did present it as though she was the first person to ever do it. That's what I thought too. Maybe it was US competition.

Maybe. I think she was the first woman to do two triple axles in the same competition. We claim with the records, even though somebody's already done it. Every invention like that. First of space. We want the space race.

We want the space race. Rush, I got like 13 milestones in space before we landed on the moon, but that was the one that counted. Yeah, that one. Yeah, that's it. We're done. The real is over. We set this arbitrary finish line.

I mean, the moon's a good finish line. Like, that's a real nice finish line. It's the moon. Why don't we just pull ourselves closer to it? Oh, get the last step. It's a start. Barber's short for NASA. Are you an expert?

I should, yeah. Interstellar expert. Okay, so we're at about 30 minutes till the end of the podcast. I got one more Adam going to read and then should we dive into Game of Thrones spoilers. Yeah, real quick. So Mark would plan these days. Let's get to play games anymore.

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It talked about this on a different podcast, but the ultimate laziness is when you're at home and you order something on DoorDash and then it's like you ask your Alexa to turn on the lights and then like have your nest or ring doorbell like answer the door for you. And you're just like, Modern life, man. I mean, it's amazing.

You need like an automated slot that opens, they push you in with a stick. It was, it was so far as someone put it in perspective. Like we've reached this point in society where you can be sitting at home and you can push some colors on a glass screen and food will magically appear at your door. Like it's, it's insane to even think about it.

From a geologic time scale, not that long ago, we were having to like live in a cave and hunt, like you weren't sure if you would eat in a day if you could kill something to eat it. And that was like, I don't want to talk. I guess I'll have sushi that they shipped in from the Pacifico, I guess, I guess I'll have it. Let me also change my temperature to 72 degrees

from the seventh from this Bommi 73 on my telephone. Are we at the pinnacle? Is this it? Have we have we peaked? Oh, absolutely not. As a civilization. Absolutely not. They just said that now we have more CO2 in the atmosphere than at any point in human history. 414 parts for million.

I read a horrible thing today that even if we went tomorrow to zero emissions, which is fucking impossible. That's impossible. If we went to zero emissions tomorrow, the climate would still continue to, like, overall temperature would raise for the next 500 years, or probably up to a thousand years. So it's literally at this point where it's such a tipping point that we have to do something to reclaim CO2 from the atmosphere. God, it's just like, I don't need 500 years.

I know, but there's other people besides you. But I don't care. I just need a couple more. As long as it's good for the next few years, that's fine. The only question. Let's say you go to a restaurant, you see there's cod on the menu, like fish and chips. Yuck.

Okay, well, I don't know, something else then. And you know that's, they're running out of that thing. Does that make you want to eat it more or eat it? Oh, you're more. Yeah, I'm gonna run out of it. I'll be the generation that killed it. Tuna. Yeah. Yeah, because we're running out of that thing. Does that make you want to eat it more or eat it more? Yeah, I'm gonna run out of it. I'll be the generation that killed it. Tuna. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Because we run out of tuna. Would be different if you were having kids. Of course it would. Yeah. I don't have kids. I'm gonna fuck. I did the most responsible thing possible. I've reduced my

pollution footprint by immeasurable amount. You're welcome. So I'm gonna eat all your fucking fish. You're still one person. Yeah, but that's it The lines over. There's not I didn't make another person who's gonna make another person who's gonna make another person I get I should get preferential treatment. I should really eat a fucking bald eagle I want to eat every endangered species your world a serial killer is even better than you will Because he's taking people out modern problems require modern solutions Because he's taking people out. Modern problems require modern solutions. So on that note, this time I'm sure Mark came with the whole way. I want to give a shout out before we do.

I had to give, I had so many of my Reddit comments and I just saw where someone wanted to know what hat I wear on the podcast and I directed them to the big hat head. So that I buy from, but I want to give a shout out to a user on our subreddit, which is awesome because normally you guys are assess pool. It's a baggy on the subreddit, perfectly visualized. It was amazing. Perfectly visualized, the horrible stupid gate that we have out here and the like ridiculous setup for it.

And I had my whiteboard and my tinfoil hat on last week and I was drawing it. And then he went and found a satellite photo of the studio and drew it perfectly. It's a monster. I like he even had a comment that was like, this seems wrong and stupid. But this seems like what he was describing and he nailed it because it's that stupid and wrong. It's it's pretty stupid, but it makes sense for what they're trying to do. There's no other way to accomplish it. You only think like that because you're Canadian. You put the motor on the other side. You can't, because the gate comes out from that side. They could make it come out from the other side.

Just make do, you can't. Oh, that's, make do, let's you broke the whole gate and built up a new one. Break the gate, break the whole gate and build up a new one. But we digress, Game of Thrones. Look, there it is, it's the drawing. Yeah, there it is, look, you nailed it. They nailed it.

That's exactly what it looks like. All right, give it a round. Let's do it. All right, so if you haven't seen the episode, Game of Thrones, or you care about spoilers, you nailed it. That's exactly what it looks like. Alright, give it a round. Let's do it. Alright, so if you haven't seen the episode Game of Thrones, or you care about spoilers, we are now going to officially start talking about spoilers for season eight episode five of Game of Thrones. You've been warned. Can we look like red lights flashing like a red alert thing going on there?

This is not a spoiler. It's like really hype it up here. That was also in that photo. Do the stuffy. Ooh. Really hype it up here. That was also in that photo. Oh, only for paid sponsors. They get two things only for a graphic boxes. They get a logo and they get sucked off. That's what they get. That's part of the deal. True. So, would you like to sign up?

I mean, is there a code? Would you like to sign up? I mean, is there a code? R720. Wow, it's 270. 270. It's 1,270. It's 1,270. It's code 34.

What's the rule? The fourth. Code 34, that's it. Give me the runs. I felt like the episode got a ton of hate. Wild-earned popular. Super unpopular. I was fine with it.

My big complaint is they're wrapping stuff up too fast. They're getting to the end more quickly than they have in the past. I think they've forgotten the end before. Well, they're getting to plot points more quickly than they have before. They're resolving things. Right, and I mean, that's really my one complaint.

I think it's overall, it's kind of a week season, but I'm happy with the direction things have gone, the way things have gone so far. It seems right to me. So you guys will see it. Yeah. Ashley remembered after the scene at the end when Daenerys loses her shit

and just starts torching King's Landing. She remembered back in season two when she gets imprisoned by the warlocks and they take her dragons. Does anybody remember that? Those characters? Yeah, the guys with the blue teeth? Yeah.

Yeah. And she remembers that Daenerys had a vision back then of how everything was gonna end. And we went back and watched it. And it was the throne room in King's Landing and the ceiling is ripped off. And it's snowing, but then you realize it's not snowing. It's ashes that are falling.

And she's like walking towards the throne. And then right before she gets to it, she, and this might become relevant in the last episode, she hears the call of her dragons being tortured and she leaves the throne and goes to the dragons instead. I don't remember that part. Yeah. I literally just watched this yesterday.

House of the Undying. House of the Undying. Yeah. When they see she's, when it's got the King of Carth in that one, she locks him a vault this years ago She's not he's not the king. You see they make him the king as part of the deal for stealing the dragons I Have no idea how they're gonna wrap up the entire series in one episode

I got 80 minutes after this it is a movie. It is a movie. Yeah, but there's just I feel like I don't know like so much has happened, but also Is there so many answers yet to be. Do you think you need everything answered? What do you need answered? I guess I'm just confused as to what brand is doing. Oh, that's gone, I think. You think they're not gonna go back to brand? Yeah, he will not be back at all.

I don't think Ariel will be back. No, I think Ariel is definitely coming back. I think that's our last. The way I see things going, my prediction for next week's episode is, Daenerys is already worried about John. Now, mad with power, she's going to kill John

because Starkman always died in this house. Arya already doesn't like Daenerys and then once Daenerys kills John, Arya is gonna kill Daenerys. That's your theory. That's my current working theory. That's good. There were leaks, leaks by the way before this last episode, and then people read them thinking they were just way off the mark

and just speculation, and then people were realizing when they were watching the episode that all the leaks were right. I didn't know that. Yeah, I've not read any leaks. We haven't read any leaks. So just being clear, this is just guss, it's dirty. That's just my crazy theory. And I think people just stop having kids,

and they should eat the dragon People in Game of Thrones you stop. Yes Okay, terrible carbon problem Burn the fleets. Yeah, that's got to be bad for the environment, right? It's got to be in some way all that wildfire. What about Sansa? I think that once Arya kills Daenerys there there is no legitimate claim to the Iron Throne. The Seven Kingdoms fall apart. Sansa becomes queen of the North, and then every old kingdom is no longer part of the Seven that just breaks up.

Oh, interesting. So there is no ultimate winner. There is no Iron Throne. Everything's for nothing. Huh. I think. That's our resident gymnast expert. and resident Game of Thrones. No, not I'm not. I'm not sure. I love the books. Here's what I think. This last season is is the writers attempt to

reconcile their direction with George R. Martin's direction. I believe that this last episode is what George R.R. Martin wanted and wrote and intended the entire time, the order, however, is wrong. I believe that this whole idea, and a lot of people talked about it when the Night King died, like a lot of people talked about, like it defeated the purpose of the show from the beginning, I believe that this idea of people fighting over a throne, this concept of people fighting over a chair of who's ruler, is a set piece that comes before winter finally arrives. I think that in George R. Martin's original vision,

it was probably this was like the final breaking point that all the kingdoms were fighting and destroying each other and they destroyed King's Landing. They got to humanity's weakest point ever, which is when winter would have arrived, not just to Winterfell, like all the way down. It would have come to King's Landing all the way down there.

It was snowing in King's Landing at the end of last season. Exactly. Yeah, it was snowing there. And like that kind of just was forgotten when the Night King died. I think that this set piece of Daenerys like turning against, like falling in this trap of being like this enemy needs to be destroyed.

I need to destroy this enemy wipe them out, puts so much stress on humanity and fractures everybody that it leaves them vulnerable for the night can actually come. Winterfell falls, like all these places fall. And I think like it's evident because the whole brand, Jamie Lannister thing, like for those that read the books and spoiler for the books as well, brands dead. Brands that, brand's book dead.

Like, brand makes it's unclear. Maybe, because Tyrion also died in a similar way, where they're point of view chapters. Brienne dies. She gets killed by a character who's not even in the show. Exactly, yeah. Which I wonder, like, if you're saying, if it comes together and if we're getting

George R. Martin's ending, what does that character's arc look like in the books? Well, I mean, Tyrion came back from a similar death when he drowned with a stoneman. Yeah. And I got mad at the books at that point. I'm like, that's not Game of Thrones. You don't fake people out on deaths.

Yeah. It was similar to in the show when Jimmy Lannister was facing the dragon. And then he gets knocked into the water by Braun. But then the last thing you see of Jimmy Lannister is him sinking in his armor. And it goes away from him. And you're like, well, he's fucking dead. Next episode. And he's on the shore.

Yeah. It's very much TV writing. And you can see like the TV writing so clearly because like last season when they went up North past the wall and all these unnamed characters are just dying left and right. All the main characters are just in this little puddle same with like when the night King was dying. All the main characters are up against the wall. Like like Jamie Lannister who in the books is not that good with a sword with the lefty. Like he's not just he's not just fighting for life. He's bitch slapping zombies left and right. Like I'm just as good as I was. You know, it's very telling of what TV writing is.

And this this scene last episode is such a massive shift in not only like like style, but tone, like this idea that a character that we thought we knew and loved can change because of an emotional state. That's very much of what like, Georgia R. Martin's direction was because it very much is, like with that death of Brienne, like for those that don't know, the Lady of Winterfell, I forget her name.

Lady of Winterfell? Lady of Winterfell? Sounds up. Ned's wife. Oh, cat. Yeah, cat. And she was brought back by Don Daryon through the magic of the Lord of Light. She killed Brienne on an emotional impulse.

Like Brienne tried to explain it. She was like, you will not, I will not listen to you. You promised you were going to find bring, you promised you were going to bring Jamie down, get Sansa back. Like that was the exchange and you failed, so you are done. Like a force of vengeance when you come. Exactly, and it's very much because this show is very much, or the books are very much about humanity

and who people are and like what, like they are not logical sometimes, they're not rational sometimes. Everyone can be like this fucking winner is coming, you guys, and nobody pays a tent, right? Because it's human nature. The threat isn't immediate, therefore,

like it's not part of it. And so Daenerys, everyone's like, his star is wrong, and it's like, anyone can snap anyone, no one is immune to rage. And like this. Especially when your family is predisposed. Yeah, exactly. And the writers did their best to try to give justification

and I don't think it was done perfectly, but I loved watching it because it raised the stakes so high. It was like, this is an elevating moment. It's not a de-elevating moment. It raises problems to the point where like, why the fuck would you do that? And I love those moments. Yeah, it was definitely like watching it,

like a gasping like, oh no. Yeah, exactly. Like it happened. Like shit. Like those are the moments. I think definitely like the watching it, like a gasping like, oh no. Like it happened. Like just shit. Like those are the moments. I think it's got a similar audience, like a lot of crossover with the people who watched Lost, for instance. Maybe a different generation of those people,

but the same people who like Gus just did make theories and they have wishes for the show. And then when their wishes aren't fulfilled, they get very upset with the show. Like people like, that's not Daenerys. It's like, it absolutely is. It's just not what you wanted for her. Right. For me, that character very upset with the show. Like, that's not Daenerys. It's like, it absolutely is. It's just not what you wanted for her. For me, that character is Jamie Lannister.

It's like, I really love Jamie Lannister. He was always my favorite character in the show. He had this incredible arc. He seemed noble about killing the king and, you know, sullying his honor basically for all of time to try to save the people of King's Landing so they wouldn't all get burned to death. And then even in this last episode,

he says something like, I never really cared about the common people, what I cared about. And it seems like very against his character and leaving the North and coming back to Cersei, it seemed very against his character. I was like, this doesn't seem right for the character, but then you see the ending with him and then you get to look at the characters,

oh, he's just a very tragically toxic person. Like, he's in a toxic relationship with this person. And I can relate to people that are in those things. Maybe he was doing his best to try to escape. But that is core. He still has that inside of him. And he even says that when he's facing down the court in Winterfell, he says, I want to apologize.

Everything I did I did for my family. And he's talking to people, he killed their family. Right. But he's like, I want to apologize. I really was surprised though. When he left, Brian, I really thought he was going to go down to King's Landing and kill Cersei. Who made the Queen's Slyer?

Yeah. I thought that's especially with the premonition that they had about her getting killed by her younger brother. And everyone thought it was going to be Tyrion. And it's like, in the Gypsy wagon over, yeah, I got to go back and watch that. I rewant. He profsies. I rewant to the Maggiewatch the magazine. Actually, I think that's the one. And it didn't mention like, I don't know if I think that's in the books or if I'm maybe I watch the wrong thing, because I remember it too.

Yeah, I just don't remember where it was. People talk about it a lot. I don't. Yeah, it was in the TV show. And then that's the other problem I have is like, it's these two very similar stories, but very dissimilar stories. Yeah. You're trying to like balance the same time. Walking down your head like that, if you still watch, walking dead, like the graphic novels are so dramatically different than the books. Look, like the big beats are the same, but like entire characters are just different people.

Everything was year on. It was just like, I was rolling my eyes pretty hard during all that stuff. He was such a late character that he was just so surface level. You know, they couldn't do anything with him. He was way overpowered. Just a cartoon character. We were, my wife and I were both worried that whoever that commander, the golden company was, that he was going to become another character.

Yeah. We're so late in the show. You mean Walmart, Jamie? Yeah, let's just stop. We don't need, we don't need more characters. I think you're on an example of that. He's like, he kind of showed up late and then was kind of like Introduced in a way that nobody really bought into and then kind of showed up in weird ways

Like when they killed the dragon and then yeah, and then with you know much later at the battle at Kings Landing with even more scorpions They couldn't hit the dragon again. Just a whole scene with all their boats getting burnt and then all of a sudden Jamie is in this little area by the water. And of course, you're on just like swimming out of the water right there. And you're just like, there's even a line that he says, you remember the thing he says to get to Jamie like to, to, like I fucked your sister? Yeah, I fucked the queen.

Mm-hmm. He wouldn't he say that she has his baby, because that's what he thinks. Right. But the audience knows that's not true. So he said he says, it's a very convenient line, but he would have gone for the throat and said she's having my baby.

Like, you know, or something like that. But, you know, but that would not, to the audience would be like, oh, that's not true. So it wouldn't be as inciting. Well, bothering me about that is like, the scene was pointless. It didn't mean anything. You're on could have died from drowning or fire.

Like him stabbing Jamie had no effect on Jamie's death. Nothing. No effect on the outcome. So it really was a pointless scene. It was a brand as a character. It was just a year arc for brand. It's like he literally could have not been in the show and it wouldn't have made any difference.

I think with the scene with your on, to speak to what you're talking about, I think it was just to give an on screen and to you're on. Yeah, probably. It's like, if you didn't have that scene, then it's like, oh, he probably died on the ship. Yeah. And then it's left to switch.

It's a tradition to eat somebody. Like, you're on with a great person for the dragon to eat. Like, probably what a spit amount instantly though. Right, I can see why the writers wrote that line like, I'm the man that killed Jamie Lannister It's probably they were like so he can die with his delusions like he thinks the baby says it's perfect And it's like

I saw a great meme of that they used Thor from Ragnarok where he's like I'm the man who killed Jamie Lannister and the source like But I have say I there's this thing has gotten a lot of hate this episode. And I think some of those people that did not like episode three, the big battle at Winterfell. We didn't... I liked it. Okay, you liked it. Some people. It was a fun watch, but the effect it had on the story I had problems with.

Yeah, I did too. My big thing was, first of all, not being able to see it. And I was one of those people who felt like this is the real story. Why are we doing this now? I don't feel that way anymore. And I was looking forward to the end of the season. I was hopeful for it. The other thing was, and this is which fulfillment, probably on my part, is that Arya Stark felt weird to kill the Night King. I said it was like, if Han Solo at the end of Return of the Jedi shot Darth Vader in the face, he'd be like, okay, that's the outcome. I wanted but Solo is not a comfortable job to do that like are you with the note that being said this episode

of Game of Thrones episode five is when Arya Stark went from being my least favorite character in the show The one I just didn't care about to being my absolute favorite character She she was amazing in this episode because I look at this episode as a analysis of revenge, of the pitfalls of revenge. If you look at all the main characters, you ended up in King's Landing. And they're very specific ones that they didn't put in this episode. Brienne stayed north for some reason. Torment took off for his own reasons. You know, Gendry's not there either. So if you look at the characters that are there, they're going to King's Landing.

They're also motivated by Revenge. Daenerys is like, that's her whole story of coming back and seeking revenge. Even Greyworm has that moment when they're facing off with the unarmed soldiers. And he's the guy who takes, he's like, you can see this in his face, like, a fuck it. I've had it. And he throws and starts that and then they start the massacre of everything. And even Tyrion, when he's like watching on the hill, it's like his last desperate moments of, I put all these pieces in place. And now I'm realizing the pitfall of trying to like, oust my sister. He tries those little things last minute, like letting Jamie loose, but even passes on the opportunity to save Varus, you know, and Varus dies.

So it's like, if you look at everyone's motivation, the big one is Sandor Clingane and Arya Stark, they go into the map room. They're in the castle in King's Landing. And he says, he's going to kill the mountain. He says to her, do you want to end up like me? If you go this way, you're going to die. And if you don't, you can go live your life.

Otherwise, you're going to be like me. Do you really want to be like me? And she says, thank you. And she leaves. And she goes the other direction. And that was amazing to me because she's the only character that makes that choice. I think like Daenerys on the wall with that, with the dragon and the bell swinging. She's won, dude. She has won. She has what she wanted. All she has to do is sit down, like walking in and sit down. And she has everything she wanted. I think in that moment, she realized that's not what she wanted. She want her, this is her family name. She wanted revenge and all these fuckers and Kings landing, they destroyed her family, they

killed her brothers. And it's also like the, the, the, the lies and delusion she was told when she was younger that her family's name is spoken in secret and people drink secret toasts to their health. Yes. And she gets there. It's like, that's not true at all. Nobody likes me even though this should be mine. And I think she's evil. I think she's lost. I think she's broken and lost. Yeah. If I, if I could change that episode just a little bit, I think what I do is have her still have the expression of anger. But I felt like her target should have been only the keep.

Right. Because at that point, she's just like, Cersei's still alive. She's the object of my hate. Go get Cersei. And then for Cersei to have more satisfying ending, I would have had her like trap the keep with a bunch of dragon fire, like loaded up a barrel so that what happens is she goes to kill Cersei.

It sets off a chain reaction that ends up blowing up a lot of King's Landing, then suddenly the people hate her. Because she inadvertently, through her rage, killed half the population who were congregated in the Red Keep. And then suddenly she's now the queen of ashes. And it was like, it's one of those moments where you like I fucked up, but I was trying to do good. Like no one could fault me for wanting to kill Cersei, but it inadvertently like she had one last. It also it also would have been a way to conveniently get rid of the dragon

at the same time in the explosion. It would have been yeah. Right. And really ballered me was how all of a sudden during this whole fight that John's men all of a sudden became these like rapist murderers. They kind of described that in the attack on Blackwater Bay, like when Circe is in the red keep with Sansa, and she's saying it's just like when the battles over,

their blood is up and they just go on a rampage. Yeah. And she said everyone in this room is going to be raped tonight. That's what I have this poison for when they come to the door. That's what was Ty when they came to the door. That's one of the Taiwan they came to do. One of the things I didn't understand when right before they start the battle, when they say like if you hear the bell stop, it's like you don't you can't stop. Once you're in there and you're already fighting like you fight until you're done,

there is no like oh okay we won you know everyone everyone stop. I feel like at that time battle was so much more visceral like you say the blood's up like you just keep going until you defeat your enemy like entirely until you Run them into the ground. Yeah, and I think that's to go back to the revenge thing It's like you want Danny to have her revenge But is it worth all these lives in King's Landing to get that revenge? And I think everyone's reaction is absolutely not she She should have focused on the keep and just killed Cersei and gotten her revenge that way. It's not worth all those lives to fulfill her revenge. It's not worth. It's not worth. Yeah, exactly. And when you say everyone went nuts, it was Greyworm who went first. Yeah.

And he's, yeah, he's a warrior's unsullied, but it was like he had the only thing he cared about in life taken from him. And you can see it and he's just vicious and barbaric and tearing people apart. But I think it's really important, for me at least, when I look at it, it's important to realize too, that we're not separate from that. That we who watch the show, we also have those expectations. And I think a big one was, and you voiced this, was Cersei.

We wanted to see her die screaming. We wanted to see her get her throat cut. We wanted to see her head cut. We wanted to see her get her throat cut. We wanted to see her head cut off, get put on a pike. We wanted her to see her have as bad a death as she has given to everyone else. And when the audience didn't get that, they didn't get that. They got her have a nice moment with the person she loves in a tunnel and in a collapse.

Do you think it's a fake out like Jamie Lannister? I suppose a death in the lake last season. I'll be disappointed if it is. I'll be disappointed. I think Ari's gone too. Because we didn't get that. We didn't you and you barb. You were one of the people. You didn't get that ending that revenge ending your revenge on Cersei that you wanted as a character. But the reason why you didn't get it is because Ari turned around. And if our your are you keeps going with the hound.

She ends up on that staircase. She's there. She's there with Cersei and Kyber and who got killed like Yeah, and she's there and she would have been in the battle with the mountain. She might have gotten killed by the mountain But it's like literally if you watch Sandor's revenge Against Gregor and he's literally it's like everything comes off you realize He's literally fighting a dead thing already. It's like this this whole allegory for revenge and how it's like, everything comes off. You realize he's literally fighting a dead thing already. It's like this whole allegory for revenge and how it's worthless.

He's fighting this dead monolith, you know, and it's worth nothing. And if Aria had been there, she would have killed Cersei and she would not have made it out because she would have gone back to the map room like Cersei did and not been able to find her way out. And she would have been dead.

And it begs the question, is our revenge on Cersei? Is it worth Aa's life? And I don't think it is. And so she made the decision. She turned her back on revenge. She got away. And I think honestly, I think that's the last

we'll see of Arya's stark. No, I think she's still a lot to play. I think she has a big part, probably in the finale. I don't think the writers would let that be the last so Arya's stark, but I could see it. It's very poetic. Like I can definitely see it a way that would work. Yeah, she would have been there She would have been on that staircase last person on her list someone in chat pointed something out

It was I believe it was a hunter of Artemis going back to what you said about Bran said the only reason Bran had to exist was to reveal the truth about John But to verify it because Sam learned it and brand verified it. Didn't he also give Arya the dagger that she killed the Knight King with? And I could also argue this purpose was to bait the Knight King into Winterfell. Yeah, so he served a purpose, I would say. I bet he had a bigger intended purpose, but yeah. Because there's a whole storyline of the magic of the children of the forest and the first men. And all that, like lore that's just like,

whoa, whoa, whoa. I think what happened was. Cold hands in the look. Yeah. Well, I think what happened is Game of Thrones became so successful that they decided to hold that back and that'll be one of the spin-off series. It's like then they'll have a separate series

that just deals with the children of the forest and the first man and how all that magic was created. It was out the stakes? Different stakes. Yeah. There's apparently some quote or some reference about death came on a pale horse. I've never heard about that before,

but people in the chat are talking about it. Oh, that's in the book. So maybe our art is gonna go kill a whole bunch of people. I think isn't that a quote from the Bible or something talking about, yeah, that's a quote for like, and you know what I mean? That's what I mean, a quote from the book. Yeah, I mean, I'm going to hold like from the book. Yeah, I mean, I'll put it all stupid.

The book. Yeah, there's some, some quote about like the apocalypse and the four horsemen of the apocalypse, like death riding on a pale horse. And that was like what it was. I thought it was supposed to be like the opposite. And my interpretation was it was the opposite of the Hounds horse. He had that black horse with stranger. And so like since she didn't go the same route

that the Hound did, she gets the white horse that she rides away on. That it was just like, since she totally went the opposite way of the Hound. Yeah. That was just my idea. And she know is what, what is it? Instead of getting a black horse like the Hound,

she rode away on a white horse. Oh, yeah, okay. And then there's all this thing that's like pale horses, what death typically rides, you know. And it depends on what particular religion or mysticism you're studying, but death isn't always the final thing and end is just means a big transition or a big change.

So her riding away, you know, in the representation of death could be just like a massive change for her. We're like even like in tarot, the death card when you get it, it's like oh shit, but it's not just me death, it means massive change. Whereas the really cataclysmic horrible card is the tower, which is like it plays out so perfectly with this game of the earnings, because everybody in the tower was destroyed.

I have to say, it was, you know, I get that they have a shorter season, six episodes, but that was their own design, they were offered more episodes and they said no, you know, but it's just like, it is kind of, somebody edited the death of Ragle, the dragon. That was killed by Yuran in the previous episode. They edited, just make a couple changes to shots and it made it make way more sense. It didn't have that kind of reaction of, whoa, shit,

somebody just got hit by a bolt, you know, but it was, it did make a little bit more sense. It wasn't like death descending out of the sky. Do you think Brian sent that horse for her? That's a huge question. Do you think we're to see Brian again? Like besides maybe a finale, all of them together? You got to see Winterfell at some point, because Sansa's story isn't over yet.

Yeah. And when she takes control of the North, when it separates in the Seven Kingdoms, no longer exists. It's a good theory. Yeah, Brian isn't over yet. And when she takes control of the North when it separates in the Seven Kingdoms and the longer exists. It's a good theory. Yeah, Brian will be your hand. It is interesting though, if you look at the number of episodes, that Cersei was in this season.

And even this episode where she figured in heavily, she really didn't have much. She just, it was good performance and her staring out the window and then the scene on the stairs, then the scene with Jamie, you know? But for her, like the two big Jamie, you know, but for her, like, the two big villains, the Night King and Cersei, they didn't really factor in in a huge way

into the end of the series, you know, both of them didn't. And everyone went nuts about the Night King, but it's interesting that like Cersei's kind of in that same boat. Yeah, I think that's what we all maybe start to realize after episode three when the Night King was dispatched so early. Maybe, you know maybe the villain and maybe the end isn't what we think it is. Maybe it's gonna be something else.

But obviously, because I thought it was gonna be the Night King. Well, when that bell's ringing, and I was just like curiosity, and I hit pause, I was like really 45 minutes into this episode, and the battle's over, I was like, hmm, and then sure enough, it was, that's the shot of Danny.

I will say, very exhausting watching people get burned and attacked and killed for 40 minutes like That was tough to watch for that long more so than the better battle of Winterfell to agree Absolutely. I mean people getting burned to death and because it's kids. Yeah, yeah The someone also pointed out in the chat that the little girl who died was holding a white horse figure. Oh, that was reminiscent of Cherine to me. Stanis' daughter. Yeah, oh, oh. She also had the horse.

And then that's what her Davos finds. That we know is that she's dead. It was the same kind of the burned horse. That's what it made me think. And there was that little girl in Winterfell who reminded Davos of her as well. There's a way, like a couple couple references to her. Yeah, that was tough. That was tough to watch. I love that shot of Danny on the dragon on the wall, or she's just surveying everything, and then you can just see it's like, oh, no, this is not going the way I thought it was going to go.

Regardless of how you feel about the writing of the show or the books or anything, the performances this season have been stellar, the music's been stellar, it's really incredible. And it's like, you can see post interviews where they can't say anything, but the cast like, what do you think of the ending? Are you happy and a little clerk's like, like, I can't say anything, but you can see in her face now. You have contact? Yeah. To turn out the way he hoped, it's like, yeah, he's like, best he's never.

Yeah. And it's, but they gave it all in those performances. Even if they didn't necessarily agree with where their character, because they spent so much time with that character. Yeah. Even if they didn't agree with it, man, they really, Emilia Clark, just like her face, like her face, it's just so, like, cause it was the only real thing

that made that switch possible was her just like, just the fucking menacing rage I saw on her face was just like, oh, some bad's about to happen. Like, they're saying good. It's just like, I love the acting and the artistry behind it. It's why I have a tough time just like, shitting on a show because it's not one person

that makes a show. I think everyone here knows it's not one person that makes a show. It's a huge team and something like this is just an enormous team of people talented beyond anything you could possibly imagine, working their souls down to make this the best possible. Absolutely.

And it's like I can never just shit on a show like that. There you go. It goes both ways. If the show had been wildly successful, it's not entirely to their credit that it did great. Likewise, if you're unhappy with it, it's not entirely their fault. I also was talking about this with Anna, our makeup artist,

how I've loved Game of Thrones every season I've enjoyed. And if it has an ending that I'm not pleased with or that people aren't pleased with, like that's not gonna discredit the entire series for me. Like I still got so much enjoyment. It's so much. I would still rewatch it. And retain it out of it, even like,

okay, well the ending wasn't what I was hoping for, but still loved it. These past episodes have just been heart pounding episodes. Like I have been just gripped to my seat, like even if it's not satisfying, like I have been so gripped. But I've seen people making graphs, like showing comparisons of how the critics received the various seasons

of Breaking Bad versus the various seasons of Game of Thrones and how Game of Thrones is being less critically, less well received critically here in the final season, the Breaking Bad. But I think Breaking Bad was an anomaly when it comes to storytelling or TV shows where it got stronger and stronger and ended in a way that everyone was like, yes, I am happy with that ending.

That almost never happened. Well, with that amount of passion, you're gonna hope for good enough, right? I mean, but we just saw it, the end game, I think, did it. And that was a very long lead up to end game. And a lot of storylines, a lot of things coming together, and I think they pulled it off. But I would never say that the only reason that end game is good

or the Avengers as a whole is good is because of the Russo brothers. I mean, obviously there's a lot of source material. They tremendous casting whoever casts the Marvel Universe just deserves a huge amount of credit. And whoever casts Game of Thrones casting a group of kids that grew up to be, you know, good actors and really fit in. Not even them cast me so they did fail in that respect. Yeah, it's crazy. When we went back and watched this, uh, uh,

Daenerys premonition that she has in the warlocks keep, uh, we then just saw the end of episode or season two, because that was like the last episode when the dragons burn him for the first time. They like they fired, they used fire for the first time. They burn the warlock. The last scene in that is the one with Sam in the north. And he hides behind the rock and then the the whole dead He walks by him and but they're heading towards the wall at season two

It's like and you but it's like that it's presented like here come the dead It's imminent like next season. They're gonna be there. Is that no? Set season seven they got there. Well, I mean they start the show the Beginning season one episode one is north of the wall encountering the undead. Those fuckers walk so slowly. And then you don't see them again. I'm still there. The entire season, maybe until like partway through season two.

That was crazy because I did turn on the first episode before this last episode yesterday and I was like, it is so drastically different. Like the pacing is slower. The characters take their time. Like, and I don't know if that's just like a first episode kind of thing where it's just establishing everything, but it was so lovely. It was so nice. And even though you could tell the production value wasn't the same, nearly the same,

but the storytelling was vastly different. And I think more engaging, like people were enraptured by this immediate threat of like, some fucking over here. What's there? Some fucking. Yeah, some's, what's daily? Something's fucking. Yeah, something weird, I don't know. And but yeah. I love all the memes too about everything that,

the reaction of all the parents today who named their daughter, Colece. Yeah, and that was like, oops, didn't have done that. My dad said that. I went to a school in Houston and fifth graded, went to a new elementary school because it just opened. And it was named after a guy. I have some guy who had done something I don't remember

it was, I to say the name. But we were at the dedication ceremony. And then the guy walked up at the stage. My dad was like, the guy is still alive. And I said, yeah, what's wrong with it? Is that a problem? He goes, don't ever name something. And I've said somebody that's still alive. And I go, why are you guys? Because they still have time to mess up. And that's that's all the way. He said, it's very true. And he was a politician of some kind, like he was a land commissioner or something like that, I think.

And yeah, I was in fifth grade and I was like, I was like, yeah, you know what you're talking about. But now I'm like, yeah, you're right. That's a good lesson. That's right. Let's, let's things play out. And that's how I feel about this too. It's like, yeah, if your favorite character

wasn't treated great, let it play out. And then see how you felt about the story as a whole. It's really weird because you don't stop three quarters of the way through a book and go, I don't like this book. You know, this book is terrible. You know, it's off the rails. You finish the book and then you make your decision about.

And then you gotta wait till the story's done. Yeah, yeah. All right, well, let's wrap this up. Okay, let's wrap it up. I think we had a good discussion. One thing before, and... Klegaine Bowle, did it live up to the hype? Oh yeah.

I gotta go back to the revenge thing again. Sandor died for no reason. It lived in all storytelling elements. Was it at least viscerally satisfying? Yeah, because for me it was bear. I got so much. I did, I did, I did. I got Darth Vader vibes from that.

I get that. I get that. I thought he looked like Varus under the helmet He did a little bit. Yeah, you're back. Oh, you're not so good The way Pierre with the helmet on I mean when Kyver was like And he's tosses him like a rag. Yeah, that was crazy Thanks for watching everyone. Thanks for being a guest. Yeah Mark. Thank you And uh, no, go to me.

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