Rooster Teeth Podcast - Rooster Teeth Podcast #20

Episode Date: August 26, 2009

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Twisted metal, streaming now, only only on peacock. Time to get for the drunk tank. We're at staff, we're at rank. Reese Films games, some good smling. They'll talk about wow, we're getting some health. Strong tank. Gus puts up the podcast, and he always wears a frown Jeff comtates in them whenever he's in town Bernie tries his best to keep the group on track

Joel just laughs and sits in the back Some people drop in by phone or by cars They're not Biller or they're just guest stars it's the drunk tank it's the drunk tank drunk tank Hey everyone welcome to the drunk tank Hey who was that?

I don't know his name I think all he wrote on his email was Peter I think we sent a world record for least notes in a song What was that half? It's all half note Is that being sung by a robot? record for least notes in a song. What was that half? Half note. Is that being sung by a robot?

I'm afraid robots are singing. That was the rare, rarely known note as close to D. Well, it's close to A in my heart. Gee, Lord. I was one or two. When people first listened, say like number 20s the first podcast they listen to and they hear that they go fuck do I have to listen to that song every single week and the answer is no you don't.

If you don't like it you can submit your own song by sending it to podcastarrowsachief.com and if it's good enough we'll play it just like Peters. There will be another horrible song for you to live. Peter the Andrew. No, we've had some good ones. What are you saying, horrible? These are all great songs. I'm just going with a lot of averages here.

These are all way better than any song I could ever make myself. What was your favorite so far? The one we had last week was pretty good. I like the chorus too. The orboros one was good too. Boles was good. Boles was good. Boles was good.

Teresa Box was good too. Boles was good. Boles was good. Teresa box was good too. Let's say the bar is both high and low and just leave it at that. Okay, okay. It's an extreme one way or another. I'm gonna shut down this computer over here because I don't want to make too much noise. I am. Gavin, do you want to see how to shut down a computer?

Because I know that you don't know how to do it. What are you trying to say, buddy? What I'm trying to say is every day when I come in here after you leave, it's literally like someone walks in and says, Gavin, let's go home and he says, okay, and just stands up, like, mid-key stroke, stands up and walks out. Monitor's on, all the Xboxes are on, all the monitors for the Xbox. That's fucking awesome. I can appreciate that.

I know. I'm normally the one giving him a ride. So the less time it takes for him to get packed up and leave, better, he's the anti-matte. You've done it fucking awesome. I can appreciate that. I'm normally the one giving a Vino a ride So the less time it takes for him to get get packed up and leave better. He's the anti-mat You don't fuck around you got people like Matt who sit around forever like oh, yeah Wait one second one second one second. You got gavino out the door. Yeah, when Gus wants to leave it's like right I'm gonna stop Drink in whatever and drink and put it down leaves straight away. Yeah, it's mad It's like it's like a crime scene. There's still the smoking gun. Oh, the coffee cup is still warm Matt it's like it's like a crime scene. There's still the smoking gun. Oh the coffee cup is still warm Yeah, but the thing that was someone you're working the thing about a Mac if I've if I've got like 10 things open

I can't just press shut down and walk away. I've got a weight there for it to go through everything We like oh this is cancer the shutdown so is this and it's like fuck it I'll say completely understand that because every night when I try and go home and I try and shut down It's like 45 minute procedure just to like have everything power down and you also Joel though you by the way Joel is joining us in the podcast Hey, I'm Gus since when am I fancy I'm Gavin free. Who are you? I'm Jennifer Garner. Hey, he's back. She's back Star of alias. What are 13 going on? I have kids really does change the whole look doesn't that hey? You try really not the same staying married to Ben Affleck for this long and see how well you turn out my beard is coming nice and thick though

You just don't wax anymore. You just let yourself go You know she I used to watch her on Felicity and then she was on a list She was like a totally different person on those on those shows. I didn't even know she was in Felicity she was she was no Girlfriend it's good. You know why I didn't let's is there something I never fucking watch Felicity you know I'm totally redeemed on watch Felicity now though because it was JJ Abrams first series so now it's like oh look who was there at the beginning I'm still not interested yeah not interest it she was incredibly attractive what's her name Jennifer Garner or Carrie Russell Carrie

Russell still very attractive and it's a weird connection to her last movie that she was in she was in with Nathan Filion Who is the star of the upcoming blockbuster gaming hit Halo 3 ODST? That's right. Well movie were they in together they were in waitress. Oh Yeah, yeah, we talked about them with the Pie I've never seen waitress. I'm just trying to guess at what the song is that was Jeff who would sing that all the time I saw the speaking of Nathan Philly and I saw the Halo 3 odst Vida. I thought it was awesome. That was cool the firefight one that just came out. Yeah, yeah, it's really cool

They had some custom Sergeant Johnson talking into the camera stuff Thought it was pretty cool. Yeah, I also saw a 3 ODST GameStop commercial that I enjoyed quite a bit. I saw that too. That also featured Sergeant Johnson. Yeah. Maybe not so many custom animations in that, though. Yeah. It was cool. It was a good time. Yeah. Thank you. Props to whoever made that. Oh, thank you. Not sure who did that. Yeah, that was us. That was, it's really cool when we get to work on commercials and then Halo comes up in the rotation of release games

And we get to work on a halo game for a television commercial I was so glad I was here for that just so people know that's the game you were talking about last week That is the game that I had just censored a bunch of stuff out. Yeah, I usually just try not to say anything at all because Yeah, we get into the loop as soon as we start talking about stuff It's like I'm just not gonna say anything because yeah, but those in particular It's like you don't know what aspects of what aspects have been talked about. So you just... Yeah, right.

I don't even want to cross a line. I don't like talking about our stuff, but it's just like when it leads into other people's stuff, you gotta be very careful. Forget it. I'd rather talk about the bag of trail mix. I'd rather complain about the bag of trail mix, or brought this hefty sack. Someone brought like a hefty sack of trail mix. So, on the store? Speaking of the trail mix, I was asking Joel about this the other day. If you were to sit down, like there was a four-pound bag of trail mix, if you were to sit down

and eat that entire bag of trail mix, would you gain four pounds or would you gain more than four pounds? That's a really good question. Like does your body convert it into fat and do you gain more weight or is it like there's an even one-to-one ratio? Yeah, yeah. It was endlessly fascinating to think about that. Or are you burning it off as you're eating it? I don't know. Like, how could you gain more than that exists?

I'm sure if you, I'm sure because you have other metabolic processes by which the weight has to come from somewhere though. Yeah, but it's converting it. Like if it's converting it from, you know, nut form to fat form on your body, but was Well, when the case of our office it would be if you went through a bag of trail mix and picked out all the M&M's and eight only those Would you gain the weight of it because that's pretty much what's happening except for Jeff Jeff is the trooper Jeff's been picking out and eating the raisins. I don't know any one of the who fucking does that I wonder if you'd go through and pick out dried apricots. I hate fucking dried apricots in trail mix. I wonder if you would eat those. I'm pretty sure this is how the swan flu started. There's a big open communal bag trail mix hanging out in office for three weeks. Just sitting there open the cats walking over it's terrible. And then we eat it. Do you know who's problem it is? You know who caused this problem?

It's Matt. Matt won't throw anything away. He has some kind of weird guilty conscience complex about this. So what he does instead of throwing stuff away is bring it to the office. And that's how he gets rid of it. And I say, take this trail mix or take these four dozen cookies

and just throw them away. Just toss them. And he goes, no, no, no, that'd be wasteful. It's like, how is it less wasteful for us to eat all this garbage? It's the difference. I don't know what it is. I mean, I hit a certain point in my life, and for most of our younger, most of our listeners who are younger, you know, you go through a choir stuff, a choir stuff, a choir stuff,

eventually you get to a point, especially dudes, you're gonna be like, why do I have all this crap crap and then you're gonna hit a point where it's like I need to get rid of stuff and that's it They're from that point on you're just gonna be trying to get rid of stuff I always talking with Gryff in the other day about the level of maintenance that the average American life takes now Just because you have like my parents probably had a phone bill an electric bill and a water bill That's probably what they had. I mean, they didn't have cable, you know, they didn't have internet, they didn't have Netflix, you know, they didn't have all these other subscriptions things that go along with it.

Maybe a magazine, you know, if they had that, which not everyone did. It's just like, just everything you've got to do to maintain your life is just ridiculous. It's ridiculous. It's like all of the crap. You know, that reminds me. I was watching a documentary. My wife was actually watching this documentary the other day. She was streaming on Netflix. I think it was called God Forgot About Us.

It's about these... Here's another thing that was brought to the office instead of being thrown away. It was an Ibrink Cat. Ibrink Cat's, he brings food. That cat has an amazing, like whenever we're recording, whether it be video or audio, he knows what it means. So I was watching this documentary and a long story short, it's about these kids in Africa who are running away from Civil War

and eventually a couple of them are allowed to immigrate to the United States. And they come to the United States and it follows them for like the first, you know, three or four years they're in the United States. And like towards the end of the documentary, they're talking to one of the guys and he's got his checkbook out and he's paying a bill.

And he looks at the camera and he says, look, I have $200 in my hand right now when I came to America if I had $200 I was rich I had so much money and now it's all bills I have to pay my phone bill I have to pay you know my utility bill and he just went down to the second this $200. It's already gone Is that where did my money go? Welcome to America? It's like you're living the American dream, buddy. Yes. Now you're in it, pal. Enjoy it. Wait till you get married.

Then you don't see the money in the first place. You just see the bills. Zing. Well, you guys saw what I did for my wife to reach recession level spending once the recession started to hit. The NASCAR check? Yeah, I bought my wife, we had to renew our checks. And you get, when you order checks, you get like 250, right?

And so my wife says we need more checks. And I'm like, I have written one check or two checks since the last time we order checks. You've written 248 checks. Is that possible? And so in order to curtail spending, my wife goes like these little boutiques, you know, that have stupid names where she buys like a pair of jeans that somebody already own, yet they increased in value. Somebody else is wearing jeans that actually appreciate in value. So I said, okay, I got a great idea of this. I'll order the checks. I got it. So I ordered NASCAR checks

with old English font for our name and address and then you can get like an affinity watermark and I chose the truck driving one so it's a big tractor trailer rig on it so nice and my wife will not use this check. My question is like a NASCAR, you know like a NASCAR symbol on there, it's not like Jeff Gordon. It literally has a track with the car's room, you know going by where you're riding. Oh I'd be able to make that noise as you were signing. If you could, my question get a sound chip in the checkbook. I would have where is your wife riding checks Yeah, right because anytime any time I get in line and there's someone afraid of me riding a fucking check

I want to kill the last that I've never written a check. What are people use checks for? Like I assume they use it to steal groceries That's every time I see someone pull out a checkbook in the grocery store I'm convinced that they're riding a hot check and they're stealing all the groceries Well, there's there's there's some people there's some places you go that they don't take credit cards. Like, a babysitter won't take a credit card. You know, a guy who does your lawn doesn't take credit cards. But do they not take cash?

Yeah. But, you know, I mean, you want, I mean, I prefer not to have my wife have ready access to cash, as opposed to checks. At least you have to go through the effort of like writing. But she literally made the statement like I Really I have a problem with these checks. It was funny at first But now it's like I feel so embarrassed by them. I can't use them anywhere except where I need to use them Wow, you must you must have had a huge feeling of satisfaction

Did the banner drop behind you saying mission accomplished? Yeah, that's like that's what like a orgasm is a marriage, right? Yeah, pretty much this is's that's what like a orgasm is a marriage, right? Yeah, pretty much. That's as close as you get. Oh God. Gross. You know, you know, I don't want to get too much into a married suburban life, but how's your house going, buddy? Yeah, awful. Awful. We, um, I'm still living in that crappy extended stay motel with no internet up in Cedar Park, but we're hoping to move into our kitchen Friday Moving to your kitchen. Yeah, what does that mean? I'll be sleeping on an inflatable mattress in my kitchen

You're gonna be like a frozen turkey. Yes. Well, if you have to pick a room. That's probably yeah Hopefully hopefully our kitchen our kitchen in bathroom will be ready By by by Friday and There's restaurants get the bedroom right or you want to have a bathroom No, hopefully the kitchen the bathroom will be ready. You don't live in a bathroom for God's sake, Bernie That's definitely not what you're pissing it this thing It works. It's pipes, right? It's all pipes. That was the same place. Yeah, it all ends up in the sewer somewhere

But we'll be eventually well, I'll be living in that house until my wife where it's at now. Are you gonna have a housewarming party? Yeah, it's scheduled for Q1 2010 Sweet. Well listen, I just want to say this if you need a place to stay this goes on longer than you thought if you come to the point where you Happily, absolutely positively need a place where you need to stay. I can ask around for you That's cool the cops came come by by every night to our motel and they say the same thing to me. They offer me a great spot like at 6th and 9th, 35. Oh really? Why are you here, sir? How long you been at this hotel? They're speaking of which, they called me the other day. The motel called me. We were shooting a live action

short and my phone rang. I didn't pick it up and they left a voicemail saying, hello Mr. Serella, we see you're staying with us for nine days our file on using complete we're calling to see what your company name is and what your business here is please call us back that's like what the fuck is this what I didn't know that kind of thing I didn't call them back what they're saying is we don't want you living here it's

probably what they're saying but this gets a business for them why do they care but they advertise a monthly rate you know yeah this is a kind of place where people have set up shop and are living I think I don't know I don't know why They're I don't know why they don't want me living there But the only daily bargewards live there and like live six to a room Any part of the contract is that you have to deal drugs and they get percentage Yeah, maybe do it and I'm buying into that system then the cops haven't been to that sorola room

This so this hotel is not like an extended state business hotel. It's like a bastard child of the extended state family. We, on your last night there, we should have a party. I'm also that. Let's not. I'm also that. Let's not. Well, you don't have like a deposit or anything like that, right?

It's a scary-ass place. Yeah, I knew a guy that when I was in high school, he wrecked his car and it was getting fixed and he got a rental car. It was embarrassing and sad to look back at what we did to that rental car. Like did you know if you could drive like up to 30 to 35 miles in reverse in a car? No you can go full speed in reverse in a Ford escort. Yeah and you can throw it in a drive and you know what the car does? Oh my god. Yeah. That sounds. Oh it's that's like the equivalent of a car heart attack Yeah, that's like giving the car like a

Where did you go to do that? I worked at the same workshop a sub shop and of the limpy I don't know if you guys have you guys ever heard of blimpie. Yeah, yeah I worked at a blimpie and he worked there with me and we would do it behind You know that you know alleyway you're doing it in alley behind the PC secret pretty much I mean we knew what we're doing behind the blimpy nice there was that whole thing that bam margera did to where he lit a rental car on fire was that on jackass no I think it was on it was on like C.K. wire yes on one of his videos yeah yeah they they lit the radio on fire

and then it ended up spreading and catching the whole car on fire It's really interesting that the where jackass came from it came from that CKY group and then what was the group on the west coast the big brother skate magazine? I don't know Jeff Jeff should be here talking about this But the jackass was like two groups from the east coast and the west coast that came together to make stuff and they call the jack To the boy stuff. Yeah, there's very little creation going on. To make destruction, how about that? We're just going to the cat. Gabbings get attacked by the cat.

He always does during the podcast. At least they didn't make noise this time. So, Gavino, I'm glad to see you don't have coffee this week and I'm glad to see the trail mixes in here. Because I am so sick of trying to edit you slurping out of a coffee cup or eating trail mix out of the podcast. This may be my first podcast with no food items. There is no food for Gribino ever in a podcast ever again. So I have to sit there and fucking edit the disgusting chewing noises out.

You think what is the deal with them? Is it like all British people are animals or is it just because you're younger? Is that the deal? I can get away with it because I'm young. Is that what it is? Sure. Why not? Griffith says that you guys will be in the living room like watching TV and you will literally just stand up and walk away from your trash and all that stuff And yeah, well, I don't I don't have any trash but Ben That's not talk about that so it must be a function of being younger that so the young First I didn't believe that but after looking at where Ben has been sitting I totally Totally by and it's like I made a comment one time because I walked by the desk And I saw just like piles

of garbage or whatever. And then literally about six inches away from the garbage on the desk, there was the giant trash can, next to the desk, which he's not, he's not, there's a giant trash can right there, Ben if you wanna use it. And then today, or yesterday, I went notice that of course the trash can's totally full

and buried under the desk now. So no one else can have access to the trash can. But it's got it all worked out. Is he in that trash jingo mode where it's well above the except for it's under the desk and you're all the cables and everything. So I mean, nice. That was when we this will be the source of the fire. That was a weekend where I had to come in a work on an episode and Ben came in with me.

And he stepped behind me on this couch. And the next day it was like you couldn't see the couch he got through about five coat cans and like a ton of M&M's yeah and he he eats to like he eats stuff that just produces trash at a greater level well think how messy his desk would be if brownies had bones that's disgusting down. Oh, it would be like a bear cave Not really enough. They made the the bones out of chocolate brown actually. That's a great idea Brownie skeletons everywhere Oh, man, that is a little energy for you nice on a Wednesday morning a picture like a like a kiwi like the bird like a kiwi bird and just like you're picking it up by

the beak and putting like the body in your mouth and just like eating it all off and it comes right out I get a cartoon where they show the fish in their mouth the mouth of the bones exactly god I wish I could eat like that I really do I really wish I could go somewhere take a whole fish put it in my mouth this is a soup blood the bone who was it was talking the other day about how cartoon steaks look just so delicious? It was a you who was me and Matt, how a cartoon steak looks like the most like just like a big camp here right? There's nothing more pure. There's no hair on a

cartoon steak you'll never see. And it's like one consistent color red. There's that nice ring of fat on the inside. It's got the rib eye bone. The marbling is perfect. Yeah, it's just like you cut it with a knife and it like just looks like the most succulent thing in all time and apparently in the 50s That's all people fed their bulldogs They fed the mistakes cartoon food is always good. I remember I used to watch a lot of Tom and Jerry And I always ate cheese because cheese and Tom and Jerry looks just delicious. Yeah, she's look awesome there And they had steak since where the bulldogs had the steak. That bulldog outside with this little puppy dog.

They always had a steak. Tom and Jerry was great. How old is Tom? It's probably like 70 years old or something, right? That's probably from the 60s. Is it? I think it's before. I think the earlier versions are even before that.

Because it's color so it can be too far back. I actually, I can't believe you brought this up because I actually saw a Tom and Jerry cartoon like a day ago. Oh really? It seemed like on TV. On TV, I just was going through. You know, you know, it's weird to think about like when we were younger, that's the kind of stuff we saw on TV. Like we, I remember being young and not having very many channels and, you know, I'd have to spend my Saturdays watching the Andy Griffith show, you know, on all these black and white TV shows, the Beverly Hillbilly stuff, like the 50s and the 60s.

I don't think anyone nowadays ever watches those shows. I don't think you can watch those shows on TV anymore. The monsters, I remember that's all you would always see at Three's company. If you go back, and you try and watch like at Andy Griffith show or something like that, that's like way back, it's really you have to like read just your mind,

you're watching it like a documentary or like something throughout a museum. You know, it's not for entertainment, it's for something else. It's like, wow, this really you have to like read just your mind you're watching it like a document or like something right out of a museum you know it's not for entertainment it's for something else it's like wow this is what life was like a million years ago dude we used to watch little rascals that's from the 20s right you know three stuages three stuages those are old like short films that used to be before movies in the 30s and 40s mm-hmm and I watched it to kill time in the summers 30s and 40s, you know, and I watched it to kill time in the summers. But there was a weird thing to you like as video became a prominent technology and stuff converted from film to video or to TV Video looked like hell like when you watch when I watch old football games That's where I see it the most is when you watch like a Jets bills game from

1981 like those slates that come up the graphics are friggin terrible I mean any kid with a with a final cut could do something ten times better than that now. And so there's a lot of stuff that like from between like 1965 to like 19, let's say 2000. It just doesn't stand up. It doesn't look like a real production where it's stuff that was shot on film like little rascals and three stooges, that might still bridge that gap. That's because they didn't have any graphics. I can't believe it.

I can't believe they switched from film to video when video looks so terrible. I mean, who decided that was okay? Probably cheap. It was cost effective. Processing time was the big thing. Yeah. Like we shot a film in college, Matt,

the film that Matt and I met to make. And Joel, you were in that? That was extraordinarily like a stressful time because you know we didn't have money and we're shooting it on film yeah we're shooting on film and that was it man that was a limited amount so it's like when we started rolling that was it man you're burning money and you can hear it yeah crazy the button that was like what ten bucks a minute basically to run it I am I work with high-speed, but my boss used to work with high-speed film cameras,

and he'd have to load up like that. What, explain what high-speed means, because it's, uh, super slam-action. Super slam-action. It runs, runs the film through the camera at super speed, and he used to put like a thousand-foot roll of film, and it would go through the camera in seven seconds. I believe it. How much would that cost?

I always heard those high-speed film cameras too, especially if it's 35, right right I always heard those high-speed film cameras that there was no take-up reel that it would just spit the film into a bag Because it couldn't spin there was something that but he would he he used photonics cameras which they always had like a Yeah, I've never seen that take up Wow, so they would have to spit it into a bag and then they'd have to reel it up later some of those military ones Where they do like 10,000 frames a second they were doing those on film There was no way to roll the film back up that fast So they would just literally just spit it your bag in a big pile and then like We're back up each each shot you did would would cry like half an hour worth of cleaning because like you'd open it and like They'd be like just dust and shit everywhere cuz film moving that speed is just mental must have been all the emulsion coming off

Yeah, check the gate means something totally different Yeah, so like stuff Gav has done. I've seen all over the place You know those videos of the people busing the water balloon and somebody else's head. Yeah, that's Gavin shooting that in his backyard It's actually I walked into the hideout when I was here last time and someone was watching that Remember that it was your first hour being in the US. Yeah You walked in and saw something you had made playing on someone else's laptop in the coffee shop next door That was really weird. She really freaked out. I couldn't believe it. She freaked out That was filmed in in a garden in Oxford in England

I mean, and it's been watched where I'm standing in Texas. Yeah, it's crazy My favorite thing that you've worked on which was a commercial project was the throwing tiny pies at flies Yeah, the millimeters matter. I love it. I love that. Yeah, I love those little pies look so perfect. Go ahead and go back to perfect food. Those little pies look so perfect flying through the air. I said Cartoon's got pies right too, man. You know I can look at those pies. I'm just saying this is why you never see trail mix in a cartoon. I don't think I've ever seen a vent hole in a real pie, but they all have those little vent holes like the inner circle around them It's just perfect in Cartoon and they're typically blueberry dude. I am starving You know what I hate is that you introduced me Bernie had this weird thing about sliced tomatoes It's like Bernie will not eat sliced tomatoes, and I had to like figure out why why won't Bernie eat sliced tomatoes

I'd start asking asked him questions about it. Now. I don't want to eat sliced tomatoes. Thanks I don't like tomatoes. Nope. Thanks. And I like just about anything but cucumbers and sliced tomatoes No way. I'm not a fan of either nope. I like tomato in any other form tomato paste Grace I want you a sun dried tomato. I won't even eat something that has sun dried tomatoes in it You can't pick those out that's sun dried flavor gets all over everything I don't know what that I don't know what that is. It's dead photons It's like hmm people really like raisins. Let's make a raisin tomato, you know So wait for like raisin banana. What is the difference between a raisin and a sultana?

And what I don't even know what that is. Seriously, okay, a sultana. Yeah You know we're we're advancing the best dieting program in the world We'll just start bashing food and how gross it is. Or we'll build up imaginary food like cartoons takes. Or like Sultana. All the go on. Like wow, this hamburger is like shit. The one in Tom and Jerry was way better. We can draw ourselves as cartoons eating cartoon food

to satisfy that. I think you could get Luke on that straight away. I like to envision that all my pets think of me as like just the waist down too. Like in the cartoons, like I'm just my pants and my socks. I think Tom and Jerry got in a lot of trouble for racism. Whenever they showed humans it was always like that black lady who you only saw from the legs down.

Yeah. And she'd have the stereotypical like black voice. You have to wonder if there's a couple of those cartoons that like just sort of don't get shown. Yeah, they're awesome. Yeah, they're awesome. Yeah, they're awesome. Yeah, they're awesome. Yeah, they're awesome. Yeah, they're awesome. Yeah, they're awesome. Yeah, that's awesome. You can look them up on YouTube. You can see there's a lot of like loony tunes

that are like forbidden. The other day, it's funny you say that. Jeff had Millie here in the office and she was just watching like loony tunes and like clicking through it on YouTube. And then I walked by the desk where she was and she was like halfway through like a forbidden never to be watched again loony tunes, you know,

like characters are in black face. Like, well, let's fight something else for you here, Billy. As a reference, Tom and Jerry ran from 1940 to 1958. Wow, it's even earlier than I thought, yeah. And you can see like the library for those shorts, those cartoon shorts getting smaller and smaller, just because what's PC changes over the years, what's acceptable, is narrowing.

The violence of the cartoons is ridiculous too. ridiculous to I mean like shove in a dynamite Sticking somebody's mouth and lighting it. Yeah, you know, I mean that could sped. There's some Disney stuff like that There's a scene that was cut a centaur scene that was removed from Fantasia. Oh, yeah, I think they refrained it right and then zoomed it In and actually clearly a lower quality shot in the middle of all the stuff Are they removed an insensitive centaur character, but you can easily find it online. Yeah, I still do too. Get that whole film, that whole movie I just don't get, you know, where it's just like... Dude, there's some people that they go crazy for that, you know?

There's some people that are big into music theory, and they love... I mean, the first half an hour of Fantasia is like a musical educational lecture. If you watch the recent ones. Yeah, yeah, right where it's, yeah. It has the formula for everything that I consider bad, like it combining like live action with animation, which is, that almost never works. Well, you took, who framed much of rabbit?

Classic movie. That was a, you're right, that was an, Bob Huskins, that was an excellent movie, but, Pete's Dragon. Pete's Dragon? Pete's Dragon, he goes, Oh, Pete's Dragon. You guys remember Pete's Dragon? Pete's Dragon? Pete's Dragon, he goes... Oh, Pete's Dragon. You guys remember Pete's Dragon?

Oh, yeah. All I remember is that it sucked. No, I don't remember. Everybody's always made a big deal about who frame Roger Rabbit being the first mix of live action and cartoon. Oh, not at all. I just remember Pete's Dragon.

Yeah, it was the best mix. It was done really well. And it still holds up. It still holds up. If you go back and watch who frame Roger Rabbit, you can go back and watch it. Like when he's handcuffed to him and like, the Stranglet is, looks great, man.

And when was that movie made? 90s? 80s, 90s? Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. That was a great movie, that was great movie. You know, there's a cool clip that's online right now, which is 100 years of visual effects for inspiration. And it's not 100 clips.

It just goes over some of the best visual effects stuff in the last 100 years. And there's stuff from very, very early on. That's really cool. Like there's one from The great train robbery that was just it's amazing seeing a people walk across the street with these cars all around them And who frame Roger Rabbit was in there because it holds up well stuff like episode one not so much That was a weird situation where I first saw who frame Roger Rabbit on TV and they cut out They cut out all the scary stuff with like Christopher Lloyd when when his mask is coming off and his eyes are like popping out. Yeah, and I remember the movie was like I'm gonna watch that again and I scared the crap out me like the unsuspective was like whoa I'm glad they censored it when I first watched it because I was a lot younger.

Well stuff stuff in the UK gets much more heavily censored except for which is funny because there's's like a camera on every city block. Not sure they have to edit lots of footage. When we have this theory that they're just gonna turn London into a giant like reality show, just because there's like cameras on every... Why waste the footage? He's great, I take it to court and it's like, well here's the footage from that corner on that day. It's like, where's the robbery? It's like, oh we had to remove that bit.

It was too a f**king... it wasn't working it was far too violent there was a headbutt in there they take out a lot of headbutts in in America they're right no other than no I remember that came in episode two of Star Wars that's the only difference between the UK version and the US version is Obi-Wan Kenobi headbutts some I think he had buts jangle fat in the American version and he doesn't in the UK I remember they They they remove head butts in the UK. What's true? And there's a lot of head butts taken out of the matrix and also there's like a double-handed slap on his side of his face They can't show that either like a what?

Did you ever have those heads where it was like do you have tango? Do you have that drink here tango? It's because it has the main butt. No, I think tango because I think tango is called phanta here Oh, we have phanta two tango something different and they used to be like a and I campaign where a guy dressed as an orange We'll come up to someone and slap both sides of the head like you've been tango and it got banned because everyone did it And they can't show that in any movies. Okay, so here here's a question like they have a different like deal over there Right where it's obviously like they can't show anything violent apparently Yeah, but they can show like a lot of sex stuff. So if you had a choice, would you rather live like in the US where you could show all violence

but no sex or would you rather live in Europe or they show all sex and why? I've always thought America has been backwards with that attitude of like let's protect the kids from sex stuff and show them all the violence. Clearly. Yeah. But I understand, I don't agree with it but I understand the logic and logic must be like this the logic must be like this if you have like kids Yes, and it's like you show sex scenes It's like well my my kid will go out and screw somebody and get pregnant or whatever

But it's like you show bank robbery probably my kids not gonna go out and rob a bank Yeah, my kids more likely to get pregnant or sleep with the kid down the street than they are to Right. Become a serial killer or headbutt someone but still there's something I think fundamentally wrong with favoring violence over normal sexual behavior, you know? Why would you censor stuff that's and we're all we just so we say it we're probably all in the same page Probably everybody in this room feels like we shouldn't censor anything, right? No, fuck it. No, we're a little I mean that was what our short was about right? I Don't know I mean I could make a lot of arguments for censoring some super violent stuff

No, but generally You know generally you're probably more liberal than what is in terms of censoring what is right? Well, I don't think that I wouldn't want kids to watch everything my church my parents when I was a kid They they saw that I clearly loved this movie Star Wars, because I was old enough to see it in the theaters. And they're like, God, he talks about the Star Wars thing all the time. He loves to sci-fi stuff. Well, this is something he's interested in.

There's a new movie coming out. It looks like Star Wars, so let's take him to see it. It was alien. And I saw it. Oh, yeah. The same thing happened to me, dude. I was like, seven. I was scarred.

That movie scarred. Oh, no question. My favorite character. I've censored pictures. I mean, I'm I'm I've censored I've censored pictures I mean, I'm not really into it, but I have censored certain pictures on the site You know where it's like some dude some idiot is like uploading pictures of like some guy that like shouts on Yeah, whatever it's like that's I don't want that's that cool. I don't want it. Yeah, yeah, there's some stuff You definitely like no I great, but I'm just saying with what you know with the guidelines that exists

We're probably we probably skew a little more right what I'm saying is I'm saying that in terms of censorship If people want to seek that stuff out anything that people want to seek out sure to be able to seek out and find another That's fine sure, but a normal thing where people are in essentially a kind of public place sure They shouldn't be just Exposed to things without any kind of public place. They shouldn't be just exposed to things without any kind of forewarning. You know it's funny during the blur video during the blur video and they have like the and like I'm trying to flick everybody off and they've got the black box around my finger and I move my finger up and down the whole time

I'm thinking every time I move my hand up and down violently is that like another three hours for Matt and Nathan. Yeah pretty much. Can you try some of that tracking stuff they can do a little bit easier. I mean, they don't have to really worry about that. Looking like it's supposed to be in the shot, but yeah. It was like, it was like we were talking about combining animation and live action that's seen in the Simpsons.

So that was the first time where they had the three to, you know, like the rendered individual hours. Like, I feel like this is a very, I can't really say this. Well, in District nine, that's what District nine is. It is an exercise in tracking, where tracking is in visual effects where you insert a CG element, and you have to make it look like it's still in the shot even when the camera moves or in characters

off the camera. You have to make it look stable in the shot. And Gav, what do you always look at? You said you always look at feet, right? For tracking? Yeah. Episode 1's got some bad tracking stuff in it. Stylos.

Yeah, Star Wars Episode 1, where it sure to swim a little bit when you know, like a robot stops in front of somebody or something like that. But yeah, District 9, I don't know how they did that stuff. You got, oh, how they keep that spaceship in the sky when they're going past trees on a truck with a camera that's bobbing everywhere. Shaking about what it's like. It's a fantastic look. Everyone in this room, everyone in this room loved District 9, right? You didn't? I did not love District 9.

I was disappointed. I was expecting more. You probably had it built up too much. I had it built up too much. I mean, visually, I thought the visual effects were awesome, but I thought the story was a little... Yeah, I loved the way it looked. All those shots, not just like visual effects,

but some of the camera work. When the camera was pointing backwards up the gun, you were telling me about this Bernie, when you saw, I was kind of excited to see that in the movie, where it's just up the gun at their faces while they're walking around. I love that kind of stuff. But yeah, but that totally stands out in the movie. I mean, it's like, why is that shot so different from everything else around it? What, specify the shot you're talking about?

Oh, they mounted a gun on the end of the camera, back at the guy. So he's like walking in the crowd. Which you can't do in a commercial, by the way, which I've learned. No, no, it's not that. It's literally like looking back up the barrel of the gun. Oh, yeah. At the target? No. At the person moving the person moving the gun.

Because when you were describing it to me, I figured the gun would be sitting on the gun and you just see like his hand. But you could see the barrel of the gun and you couldn't see how the camera was attached to the gun, which I thought was great. Yeah, but how is that? How does like that right there, that moment when you're shooting in a movie and you're thinking about how is the camera, the moment I think camera, I hate it. Right.

And I'm out of it, you know what I mean? You're all excited because you're trying to figure out how the camera's attached to the gun. I'm sorry, it's interesting. Shuttle's like the camera's floating in front of the gun. Yeah, I see it to me that ruins the movie. Why is that ruin the movie? Because you think?

At no point do you see the camera? No, because the fourth wall is gone. Yeah, I see to me that ruins the movie. Why is that room the movie? And at the point you see the camera? No You're thinking because of what was gone. Yeah, you're thinking how did they shoot this and that's part of the I think that about like you're watching it from a different way of view though You know, yeah yours is like an educational exercise. I mean, I enjoyed the shot and then afterwards I was like oh Look good because you couldn't see how the camera is attached. I can totally suspend disbelief in a movie like I can watch Tom Cruise Or read about him in a tabloid or something like that all day You're crazy stuff about him watch a stupid interview with him go to a movie two minutes in he's the character Okay, a total suspension disbelief for me. I got I can do this or is there ever a time like if it does get if the fourth wall

Does get broken what breaks that would be an example that gunshot? I like why do they do that it's like all of a sudden a shot in the end of the gun that doesn't look natural with the rest of the scene and That that ruins it for me like all of a sudden I'm thinking about the director and thinking about choice too much Yeah, heavy-handed. I think about that constantly when I'm watching movies Fight fight fight. I mean, I don't know what's there I mean, I just I just like to suspend this believe and watch the story But you're a you're a filmmaker you have background making a do you not watch movies and think wow? I watch them in two different modes you You watch them twice. I don't do that in the theater what you're talking about

I don't do that you post it. I can't help it you posted that journal About Avatar and I had not seen a single thing about Avatar and you posted the journal with a trailer Yeah, and you had a point to that and it was like I and you posted the journal with the trailer. Yeah, and you had a point to that. And it was like, I, the first half of the Avatar trailer, I was like, this is great. And it hit a certain point in the trailer. And man, it started going downhill fast.

For you. And what did you guys think about the Avatar trailer? Um, I did not like it. Did you have the same experience? Did you like the point where? Yeah, at first I was like, this is awesome. Until, like, I guess, the dude in the wheelchair gets put in the blue alien body and he says, this is awesome. And I was like, that's it.

That's it. That's it. Totally. I actually did it like, because in the beginning you see the blue guy in the tank. And you can see that it's obviously a real model of, or something. It's not CG. And then it's just like, there's a snap in it's CG. And I hate it when you can see the sudden jump between live and CG. And it happened in the Matrix.

Like, like animation was action. Right, but in the Matrix, in the Burley Brawl, you can see like there's all these guys being smith and you can see they're all there and they're all like choreographing. And then it's like, wham and it's like, it's all CG from now on out. It's like, it's just so obvious and I hate that.

I bet the dude in the tank in the avatar trailer was also CG though. I bet it was all CG. Seriously, it's like it's just so obvious and I hate that I bet the dude in the tank and the avatar trailer was also CG though I bet it was all seriously. I look like it was there It looked totally different to when he was standing up and walking away with CG really. Oh, he might be right To me the whole thing was like final fantasy to the whole thing look like a final It looked like a cavity creeps Crest commercial at one point to me. I mean they looked terrible. I look man I think they look terrible Joel and I are like the I say that reference might be 12 even for me. You were in the early 80s Saturday morning creature reference. It's cavity creases. If you don't know what a cavity creep is,

you want to get your research. That's before my time. Do you want to talk about schoolhouse rock? How available to come to the law and all that. But the avatar thing to me was it was so much hype because people saw it at Comic Con, right? And all the hype this so this is why I identify with your district 9 problem is that I got so much hype about Avatar and when I finally saw it, I was supposed to be this new kind of filmmaking and all I saw when I watched that trailer was I think that James Cameron has taken that bait that so many directors have taken that CG looks just like real life That it's all photorealistic and they've been taken that bait for like 15 years though likeowski's took it with Matrix that

the first matrix right and then all of a sudden said CG's photorealistic we can get away with anything if we just put it on screen it looks perfect and it does it just doesn't the problem I started having was even before I saw the avatar trailer you know I talked to several people who've seen like 25 minutes of avatar and independently of each other they've all said the same thing it's before I saw the Avatar trailer. You know, I talked to several people who've seen like 25 minutes of Avatar. And independently of each other, they've all said the same thing. It's just like Furngully.

I've heard that too, Furngully. Every person you see, it's like an animated movie from the early 90s about like indigenous animals in the rainforest, trying to protect the rainforest from like encroaching civilization. And man has technology in tangs. Yeah, and the fact that every person has set that in like, no, no, I'm out. Yeah. I'm totally, totally with you. Yeah.

Uh, uh, the, the, the first person was Count 3D who said, it's like, Fungoli meets Pocahontas in space. And I was like, what the fuck have you been drinking? That's horrible. Sorry, Count 3D. I don't want any of those things to meet each other anywhere much less in space But the the thing about it to me too is like you watch that I mean I bet after all of you've watched a trailer I bet we could all sit down and write the screenplay. Oh Yeah, right? Yeah, I mean you know how that's originates like here's a guy in wheel chair It's a bad right he gets part of a military program that's progressive

He falls in love and learns the truth of what you might see is that oh look maybe humans are the bad guys here I can't wait exactly it's like district nine yeah the one I don't know why the visual effects in Jurassic Park hold up better than the visual effects in Avatar in the movie I haven't seen yet yeah right I mean I something just do something's done well in Jurassic Park because they use some models yeah I'm actually I'm actually getting angry I bet I bet we'll be watching Zathura long after watching Iron Man. I just don't want to see another movie for the rest of my life where the human beings are evil.

I'm just tired. I've seen that story again and again and again and again and again. Just stop it. Just stop it. I have an idea. How about a movie where there's aliens? And aliens are fucking evil and they're bad and you these are good people Like an alien like independence

Oh Mazatex I just don't like the heavy-handed messages of you know You know, we're gonna take a sci-fi movie and make it about environmentalism Well, it does it does make you wonder has has every possible story been told? Yes. Close as in. Yes, every ridiculous comment. Well, every Hollywood formulaic story has been told, and that's, you know, District 9 could be, I mean, everyone talks about District 9

essentially being a remake of Alienation, which I could see people's points in saying that. But it's another year where most of the suffer watching is either adaptations from a book that was very popular, a sequel to a movie that's already done well. TV show. Yeah, or a remake of another movie that's already been made before TV show or something.

Like, you know, it's just, we're kind of in a cycle. I look at the internet, I see a lot of the same stuff on the internet. There's very little original new stuff on the internet, but there's a lot of re-reporting of stuff and a lot of re-wording and regurgitation of, of like one guy makes something and there will be another tier below that guy.

Let's say a New York Times story. 20 bloggers will take the same story and just re-report it and people read the blog because they don't want to read the original creator stuff. Yeah, I don't know. The creative driving force in Hollywood and entertainment is the business side of Hollywood. And that's what it is, right? It's business side of everything, right? Right.. Well, I saw her locker. I don't think that movie's gonna make a lot of money and that movie was freaking awesome. I've heard great things about it. It's great. It's a cool story. It's a war movie unlike anything else you've ever seen before. The battles in that movie are probably just like battles you would see in

and actually in Iraq. And it's cool. It's not, you know, big explosions and people jumping around. I mean, I don't want to spoil too much potentially, it's a spoiler, but there's a sniper battle where they're literally sitting there looking down the barrel for eight hours and trying to stay hydrated. You ever see any of the gates? Yeah, yeah.

I was about to ask if it was like that. Another great war movie. Totally different than everything else. You watch tanks roll by in that movie and it's a movie about Jude law and ed Harris as snipers Jude laws of Soviet sniper and ed Harris is a Nazi sniper and it's just them trying to like get angles on each other That's all you're watching that's what makes born-eyed and cool too right is like the fighting is different, you know You know you're in a kitchen hitting people you spoon

Born on him. He's like camera control issues those board movies they're they're a little jittery hey man the fact they turn mad Damon into an action here is pretty fucking yeah I mean it's that's those are those are grossing shit yeah you know I don't know it's like grossing a shit by the way gross back on the on the subjective okay no talking about you know filmmaking and movies and all this stuff this is a little bit of an offshoot but yesterday I found this camera I guess that Fuji makes that is a point and shoot camera that allows you to take 3D images or 3D photos and record 3D movies and I did a little more reading about

it it's a lie and apparently the way it works It has two lenses since it's a point shoot, you know, it's like a rectangle There's one lens in the upper left corner and one lens in the upper right corner So whenever you take a you can you can enable 3D mode But I you take a picture or record a movie. It's got these two offset angles We're just looking at everything so it can't but how does it know where to direct both like does it focus the lenses into each other on the same point? Because the horizon is with cross at some, and it would be like,

there's gotta be a point in space. I don't know how you would specify it in the UI, but it's gotta be a fixed point. Since the point shoot, you can't adjust it, you can't move the lens. I don't know if there's like some menu control for it. But I've done some work with 3D, like using two cameras at the same time,

and you can't really do it with two side-by-side cameras. Only to a certain point, because everything behind, where they cross, will just go crazy. So you really need like a camera and a mirror, so they're both looking down the exact same line, and then slightly offset. But I don't, it's like an imperfect way to do 3D

with two side-by-side lenses. I don't know, I'm really, really curious about this camera. I want to check it out. It sounds like it was started going down the path of... really curious about this camera. I want to it sounds like it is going down the path of it's bullshit. It doesn't exist until I see it doesn't exist. Yeah. And then when I see it'll let it blow my mind and then it'll be part of reality. Well if it makes you feel any better the reviews I've read for it are terrible. I believe it. It's got bad image quality. How the fuck you watch it. We don't have 3D screens. I don't have a 3D picture

frame at home to you. We can get a bit 3D paper. Do I mean do I have does everyone have a holographic inkjet print? 3D is the future but it's one of the hardest things to describe somebody hasn't seen 3D. They have to see it. You can't be like check out this. They'll show a picture of this camera with a picture it's taken. It's just a picture. It's like, where's the 3D? You can't see it. You have to show someone and push it in front of their face and say, look at this in 3D. I don't think it's a fat anyway, don't you? Yeah, I think it's a huge fat. There's some people like-

There's some people like- I think it's been a weird marketing fat again. Who is it? It's like Jeff thinks that 3D is the future of cinema and that- There's the birth. No, this is terrible. I hate it. You really? Yes. Do you see Carline?

No, I didn't see Carline. I saw- Fucking great. Up is the only movie I've seen in 3D. I don't like wearing glasses over my glasses. It's- Okay, first of all- Why can't they make fucking clip-ons? If first of all, let's be honest what we're talking about right now What we call 3d is not really 3d. I mean, it's a it's a Representation of 3d. We're still watching a 2d image, right? Right and it so yeah The cinema will be big when it's really 3d when it's holographic and you don't have to put fun glasses

Right, I haven't yeah, I haven't seen a 3D movie in like a very long time It's yeah, I was a big hold on I hadn't seen a 3D movie in the 80s Right, and I went and I saw up in 3D and it looks better. It looks phenomenal Oh, it's really beautiful to look at I just don't want to watch a movie like that You know the whole time I was concerned about this weight on my face and that's having to push up and like, oh my glasses a little on. Well that's why they called it up. Yeah, things don't look quite right. Let me adjust my glasses. Okay. There it looks good again.

Well you have the working titles up. You're gonna have to move your glasses around. Guts actually has eye glasses. So glasses over your eye glasses is kind of a pain. Yeah, they made them a little big to try to fit over the glasses, but it's still fucking glasses on glasses. Yeah, and anytime you have to have that accessory You know, I don't want like playing a game, you know, I don't want to put anything else on it I'm gonna use my keyboard in my mouth. That's how I interact with you when I go to watch a movie I want to look at the screen. That's how I interact with it one time I had to wear contacts over contacts so gross loss Well, you had like a for when you worked on Buffy? Yeah, or angels

Yeah, it was a creature Your picture contacts and then colored over. Yeah, could you see now? Was this one of these things? Comfortable. Let me let me tell you something that I know about movie production Hollywood and that is Actors fucking lie to get jobs, okay, and I've been Joel was act asked Do you wear context because you're gonna have to wear prosthetic context for this part? Joel said no, it's fine. I'm fine. I don't work context And so now he had then they get the makeup chair

Like you have fucking contacts assholes like what are you gonna do? Let's put the context over the context like I hear people say like yeah, I can sort fight Absolutely and they get the part and they can't do anything. They can't dance. They can't sing you know They have no typing skills or whatever the hell they need to do. They can't dance, they can't sing. You know, they have no typing skills or whatever the hell they need to do. It's like, yeah, I can mountain climb. No, it's like everybody puts that stuff on their resume, right, like sports.

You know, and I put like sports on my resume and that led me into a situation that almost killed me. I didn't really. But what happened to get a box, sir? You had to catch, you haven't heard the story? This is an old story. It was like, yeah, I'll tell it some other time, but basically I had to catch Randy Johnson, but it's like, I think I already told that story. Yeah, that would kill you

Yeah, I would I would be glad that I'm a catcher and already crouching So I'd be making it much easier for me to crap my pants when Randy Johnson starts winding up I was uncomfortable opening up my genitalia was the main and let's be let's be honest cat catchers Not real athletes, right? Anything that requires you to have to like screw your knees over to like, yeah I mean to me that's like I'd rather I don't know I want to make a point about Gus's accessory thing here before we get off Our one minute that we spend on spend on sports in the podcast. How about that fucking unassisted triple play? Yeah, that that kill the met that was awesome. Well 18th in history. That's awesome

So here's a lesson if you're in the major leagues and you got a guy in first and a guy in second and there's no outs Just hit out and they outfailed you not don't hit into an unassisted triple play you will go down the right Don't you have the middle don't don't hit up the middle period. Okay, I got a turn on that stuff You were talking about accessory stuff right, okay? I reach the same conclusion. I don't want to deal with accessories either. Okay. I don't like that. Natal kind of is that's coming out for the 360 has me hopeful and a little worried because it seems like it removes all accessories yet it itself is an accessory, right? And it's one thing you don't have to find though. It's always just sitting there. You don't have to look for it behind the couch so far so far so far

This is gonna be the legacy of the Wii the Wii now You can't just play a game every game has like an add-on or like they've added this one to one controller Nub that goes on the back and the nunchuck. I went to go play Wii Sports Resort the other day and like I had Unplugged stuff to go from one mini game to the next. Yeah, that is a beat down Yeah, it's a total beat down. I don't want to do that. I don't want to unplug the unplug the nunchuck to play one game and then plug it back into the next. Especially for a game on the Wii where it's going to take you longer to prep for the game than to play the game. And that's true. Actually, time it. When you turn on your Wii, the Wii seems so simple. You have to press like the button 18 times before you actually get to a game like they're simple games in Wii Sports like bowling but to get to them yeah it's like a for a warning

a another warning a don't swing your controller I got it a now hit a and B yeah controller and now they have this thing with the one to one control you set it down on a flat surface and that's how it sinks then you have to unstrap yourself and set down your thing. Then pick it back up, then hit A, then pick your profile, then hit A, then confirm that you're right-handed still. You're like, in case you change dexterity between the last time you changed the way we play, then you hit start and then you almost... Just hearing that is just, that's awful.

I should really time how many times you have to press A from starting up the thing to getting into it. It's such a weird thing, weird thing because like the Tony Hawk game when they show that it like e3 where it's like the board Oh right right the gameplay of that seems so appealing to me, but it's like oh God yeah if it works. I mean if it works, but man I do not want to spend a half an hour Calibrating and blah blah blah This one joystick, okay Nintendo patents football controller looks like a football and a half an hour, calibrating and blah, blah, blah.

This one's joystick. Nintendo patents football controller. Looks like a football. So your Wii mode fits inside of the football. So you can see they've gone, this is it. They've gone over the deep end. This is crazy. So it's like once they've tapped that, oh, we can make extra money with every game.

Every, no. I mean, to play punch out now, you literally have three controllers. You have the Wii Fit board, the Wii Fit will moat, we mo literally have three controllers you have the we fit board the we fit We'll we moat and then you have the nunchuck and don't make a controller the shape of a football because that thing's going through the front of my TV screen Yeah, it's got a handle on it. He's got this handle on no, am I not gonna throw that into my TV look you can see here Or punch it into the TV you can see by the patent. It's one controller But it's got four different parts of the diagram. So there's four different controllers in this one controller.

Wow. For one game. Yeah, for one game, presumably so you can. They pay for all four through your team. You know, talking about punting that controller into my TV made me think about this. Have you all heard about the problem at the Cowboys New Stadium?

No. No one's heard about this? No, but I'm like, here's what I'm dying. You know, they've got that giant TV that stretches from like the 20 years. Oh, yeah, they're hit. People are punting into the TV. The TV's interfered, like they play the game. It's a tie-ins the other day, and like the tie-ins punter hit the TV. And they're like, what the fuck?

That's right, yeah, that's a raise it. So now Jerry Jones has to pay millions of dollars to raise the TV up. So the TV is in the middle of the field like in a NBA game? Yeah, it's like hanging down from the center. I thought it was like on the sides. No, it stretches from like 20 yard line to the 20 yard line. Oh, is that how they did that? Yeah, is it double-sided? Yes. Okay. Wow, that's crazy. Yeah, yeah, you should see the video. It's funny because I thought like they have that they have like a bar at the stadium where it's like a big bar and in one of the walls that the bars like a big glass wall and on the other side of the glass wall is like where the players have to go to do their interviews after the game

so it's like the players are like cattle. So you can sit there at the bar and watch the poor they had this in the in the Dallas stars or you know where there's a bar downstairs you can watch the players like grow between point A and point B. The best version of that is a couple years ago, I saw the White Sox play up at Komiski. I think it's called US Cellular now. There's a bar out there where the away teams bullpen is. Nice.

So you can go out there and sit by the bullpen while they're warming up and just start fucking yelling at them and heckling them. I love it. Get all the drunk fans. When are we getting to the point where they have like a glass wall at like the urinals? He just watched. Hey, they're being paid.

Those athletes are being paid. That's true. They got to deal with our shit. That's right. You know, I think I'm probably the only one here who's excited about it, but the World of Warcraft next expansion is supposed to come out next year. I wish Jeff was here to talk about it with me. That's going to give you a whole year to talk about it. I'll talk about it with you for a second.

I don't like that they're doing it because here's what I understand. Does it come with the accessor? Correct me where I'm wrong. Okay. They're taking the original continents, which I consider to be basically world aboard. The two main continents. And they are destroying them and changing them outright. Yes. And making them entirely new spaces. Yes. Will you ever be able to access the original ones? No. I don't like that. I don't like that.

See, there's a lot of people like that. Ever since the first expansion in World of Warcraft, there's been a big group of people who have asked Blizzard repeatedly for just a vanilla wow server. It's just original wow untouched. This new expansion is going to be almost like a reboot of the first 60 levels. It's intended so if you've played through the game a million times, it's a totally new, you know, leveling experience, new zones, new everything. That seems like if it ain't broke, don't fix it. I mean, yeah, can they just add on? They could. They could keep adding on. I've always felt like,

well, I shouldn't say always, I've felt recently, as the expansions come out, like that Azeroth itself had fallen behind. Sure. Technology-wise, and it didn't mesh with the rest of everything else they were doing, so I'm glad to see them retrofitting it and bringing up their entire game to the same playing field. But yeah, but they're aesthetically changing, want some areas to be underwater and stuff like that?

Yeah, some stuff's gonna be pretty fucked up. Which is cool. I played the game countless hours. I'm sick of seeing it over and over. I'm glad to see a change. And I guess you could say that there will always be people who have the community will keep a historical record of it. You know, it's just kind of frustrating

that the one thing virtual spaces have over the real world is they don't change. And I was watching Slack or the other day, and that's from 1991, it was filmed at Austin, and it was kind of depressing to see how much Austin had changed in less than 20 years. You know, and it's kind of like, you know, let's see about why I was, you can go back, you know,

you can just kind of like step into the familiar. But I guess, you know, that's part of the benefit of being a long time subscriber, is that you'll be able to say, oh, I was here back when. It's funny, you say that because I think it was a wow.com or joystick that was a wow.com the other day had a gallery an image gallery up of like places to go before the expansion it's like every player needs to go see these things because they were not going to be the same

anymore and yeah it was like a screen shots of everything and talked about where they were you know that's the kind of thing too. It's like, it seems like there's no coolness associated really with like the internet's very obsessed with being first, but like there's other stuff like if you were a Yankees fan forever, you were X-game. It's just not there. It's just not there. Like the video game culture hasn't gotten up to the point. I think it's going to be. Yeah. It's going to be a long time before, if it does, it's going to be a long time before, it does. It's just, it's funny, you're right.

I mean, there's no coolness. And other people have tried this now, like even the new Xbox 360 update, they have that 10 year thing, where it says how long you've been a member of Xbox Live. And I know there's a marketing part to that, where it's like, oh, well, let's keep you going. You've been here for seven years.

Why not be here for 13? Yeah, but I'm about to hit seven because I was a beta tester for Xbox live and I don't know that people care about that number. You know what I mean? I really wonder why did they put it up there like what so what are they hoping to foster? I think it's pretty interesting to see how long people have been around you do yeah or had that that particular account Yeah, it's like now whenever I look at someone's there Or yeah, or you want to know if you're playing some like fly by night hacker account It was only been on you know Xbox life for 30 minutes now. Hey, that would be cool if you could say I don't want to be joined up

With anybody who's got an account less than a year. You know what I mean like that would be cool You know that's see now that would be a great idea. Thanks, dude. I should sell it Yeah, I mean you'd a hard time finding games, but you have the build in tenure. I mean, that's one of the coolest things that I could see using. I mean, avatars and stuff like that are kind of neat, but I only care about them for people in my friends list

more than anything else. I think it just hasn't been around long enough. I think it just needs to be around longer. I mean, like the NFL, you know, the story, just it wasn't. Yeah, but it's like the NFL hasn't changed, too. Like, that's the thing about video games. But in the NFL, you know, the story just it wasn't yeah, but it's like the NFL hasn't changed to like That's the thing about video games. No, but in the beginning, you know How many viewers were there for Super Bowl two, you know versus now right? Yeah, I always had the first Super Bowl right? It would be wow you went to the first Super Bowl

It's really interesting. It's just you know, it just hasn't been around long enough. I think like are you at all? I mean you do you guys at all care that I was a beta tester for the original lives? No, not at all, but I know there are yeah I know you know, I know there are, yeah, there are. I know you know why I do. I know you do. Why is that? I have a memory card.

They gave me. It's a special edition orange memory card. It's for the original Xbox. I originally just, you can't even use it anymore. Like the ones that went in the top of the controller. Yeah. Yeah. It's orange and clear.

Bern you got in the beta like two weeks before I did. I did. You got the fucking memory card. I did. You got a memory card. A headset. A t-shirt. Like all this stuff. And I just got into the beta. I didn't get anything. I was wondering why you both had a six like you're the 66 is on my friends. Both of you. Yeah, it was a guess it's one of the things I can lower it over

Gus is my orange memory card. I don't know that actually ever any of the stuff ever will be cool. I don't know what because it's like access It's like it's Technology news always, it's like, it's technology. News always better. The new stuff's always better, you know? It's only when you talk to my retro game. I don't know. I'm gonna take this back to a while. There is, there are like some things in while

that you can't get anymore. And this aren't available to you. And you only have if you've played a long time or if you played back in the day. Like for example, for people who've played a while, like old PPP ranks. Like, you know, on some of my characters, I can pop up a rank that's like senior sergeant

or whatever. Can't get those anymore. I'm a ground. That's awesome. Yeah, only people who played like three years ago have the ability to have these old titles. So can you, can you like retain items that you can only get if you played?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I've got a bunch of stuff that I've had from way back then and you just can't find it anywhere. And like achievements are a good thing to do that. Like, I wonder if like, you know, people will appreciate in five years that I finished the orange box on 360 and how freaking difficult it was. I know you do.

I am so jealous of your 100% in orange box. I've got I think 92 out of 90. How many achievements were there? I got 90, there was 99 achievements. I think I'm missing four or five. Yeah, it's probably such a such a good So ridiculous conversation we're having right now. No, I know But it's like it's like these things are built into the system. They should provide a more More customization for you. We're actually

Why it's not cool. It's like well my level 7 No, that cool Gus, how dare you how dare you I disagree does it say anywhere how many hours of wow you've played in your life? You can log into individual characters and type of command to see how long you've played that character You don't do that. I could probably add up all of my characters if you I should do that Because because that'd be a horrendously like I've played I've played Four thousand five hundred games of Halo 2 and three thousand games of Halo 3 and at some point Bernie added up How probably how long I'd been playing in total and it was depressing how long was it?

I don't know over a month of total gaming. I want to say it was 128 days I subtracted eight hours for sleeping and said if you did nothing but play Halo 2 and 3 it was something like a hundred oh really it was that long So I would have to I've got that destroyed. Yeah, I was gonna say cuz wow it but that is a depressing stat to me like that's that's a percentage of my life after this careful over and after this Podcast I'll add it up and we'll Yeah, that would you know we should do we should have bets and we should try to get like an over under like see who can get the closest To Gus's amount of time is maybe we should do that in the drunk tank group and now for a price to whoever can How would you do it by total hours played or by days you would have had to have played?

Well, it tells you it breaks it on says like you know, I think it gives you hours days and months weeks I think it gives you hours, days, months, weeks. I think it breaks down a ton, yeah. I guess we'll do the clue. Let me get closest to the number of hours. But what if you find out that you've spent... I've been a second. 4% of your life playing again.

I've been a second. I've been a second. It's funny how we started a conversation about it being cool and like to me, it's dissolving into making argument that maybe it's not cool. Well, the cool stuff is, I mean, we spent a lot of time this stuff too. It's like, it's dissolving into making argument that maybe it's cool. Well, the cool stuff is, I mean we spend a lot of time this stuff too. It's like, it's like I always said, the thing that's wrong with video games, which the whole culture needs to get over, is, and you're falling prey to it right now, Joel, is that anyone who's worse than me at a game is a shitty loser and they suck at the game, and I'm awesome.

Anyone who's better than me at the game is a fucking loser with so much time on their hands to play. Or a cheater. It's like, the only people you respect are the people at your level that you just beat That's it, and you know, and it's like you know We know people who are much better at gaming than we are and like Jeff Everyone Jeff knows is better gaming than he is He thinks give me no's worth no, I don't know that it's I'm not sure that it's possible I could be completely wrong. If I am clear, it's just gonna take time.

But it will take time. But the fact that anybody can pick up a controller and sort of compete with you at any point in time. And I just don't know anything, any platform that a seven year old could realistically outpoint you. Yeah. I think it's just not gonna be cool. I think you go like 11 like 11 like 11-year-old or a 13-year-old Here's your example. It's just not gonna work dude. I got I got I got 13 year olds I know that could outpitch me and I recognize that pitching is an awesome skill. I think you go back to what you make

I'm making a stand there is no 13 year old on the planet They can outdo me in any sport now. I know that's oh I know that's I know that's potentially wrong. You're so potential I know it's potentially wrong, but you know you can somewhat at least in my mind I can say that's true and most people will could say that in their own head I guess I guess you're taking the assumption that like gymnastics is not a sport I'll fuck them all up. Yeah, or or sewing Nike The the thing is as it goes back to what you said about Hollywood and business driving it is that I'm sure when people were playing baseball

All day, I'm sure a lot of parents were like who cares that you can hit a baseball. I don't care I go plow the field, you know, and then but now that it's a viable skill where people watch it and it has millions of dollars back You know even even millions, you know, and then, but now that it's a viable skill where people watch it and it has millions of dollars back You know, even even millions, you know, it becomes a viable thing. Even now, even now, even high school You hear stories all the time about major leaders who are like they're in high school and these teachers like, you know You this is not realistic blah blah blah But there's other stuff that people can do that you recognize is Athletic talent like I'm just pulling some on my head here. I hope I'm not gonna offend anybody like archery If someone hits four bulls as I'm like, okay, yeah, that's cool. Great good for you, you know spend all your life on the archery range, you know

Because there's no professional archers, you know, I mean, but if that guy can sit there and sink six three pointers in a row I'm like god damn did you see that kid? He's like three or six three pointers, but it's just it's a guy It's funny. It's funny. It's like it basically We're coming to a definition where it's like it has to have a big bank rule of money behind it. I'm saying it's like, that's not cool. And it begs the question, is it legitimate because there's a lot of money behind it, or does it make a lot of money because it's legitimate? You know, in our society, if it doesn't have the marketing dollar behind it, think about it. Here we go.

Joel's series on it. It think about it. Here we go. Joe series on It's not here we go. We can eat it's true though. Do we have anything else to talk about before we wrap up? Well, no, like you're not into achievements, right Gus? No, that really continues discussion But yet you kind of got excited about the fact that avatars could have trophies that came out of the game and you could put on your Advocacy, yeah, I like things that are more tangible. Like even I know that's not tangible. It's not an actual clothing item, but I like either an in-game representation of it or like some other kind of reward rather than, you know, a website I have to go to to check my. Yeah, I do agree that it's nice to have the avatar with something on it because it's the first thing you see. I wish there was a feature that way you could pick like ten achievements that you've got and put them on the front and everyone can see

you proud. If you were like medals, yeah, I totally agree with you Yeah, that's because I would there's so much in this I'm so proud of and you've probably got a lot like 70 survivor That took you a long time if you could if you could do that I would go after achievements Seriously, yeah, if I could pin medals to my avatars clothing to show achievements I've got I would care and I wouldn't go maybe I wouldn't go out of my way But I'd play a game be like oh if I played just a little more and got that achievement then I could put that on my avatar make so do that makes So things that's super accessible for everyone to like immediately recognize. Yeah, I can't you know I don't want to have to say oh did you see my achievement? No go check xbox.com look up my username

You know it and then I have to hit it and then look for the adj And I'll show you I have it right now. I have the the total package you're ready Hit me you take like It's just like Halo where now we're all based on the number of achievement points you have your certain level Like in other words if you have 10,000 points your level one if you're 20,000 points your level two Well, they even have a good 30 level three and it's clear accessible everyone immediately understands it I knocked my I'm so passionate. But then his head for his full flight that 50 cow ricochet.

They have that with the gamer score. I mean they have that and then people just approach it in a different way No, but it's like that would become your avatars of number Yeah, I mean and that's it. It's funny though It's like it's one of those words into is like any time because games aren't perfect, right? Anytime you make something like that people figure out a way to game it and then it invalidates it for everybody. Yeah Yeah, the thing is about whenever you see someone and you view their profile on your Xbox You'll see a game of score. You'll see the starry none of that means anything like anyone can have any game of school It doesn't mean they're good. It means they play games where there's easy to get game of school

If if you just saw the the top ten achievements that they got you'd be like, you'd look at that thing and the first thing you'd see would be, holy shit, this guy's awesome. And you could actually tell whether someone's good or not, because at the moment you can't at all. But like the stuff that I would like to put up, like they'd have to give you a long list of things to choose to put up. Like, I have 46 completed games, 46, 100% games. That's awesome. I have four. Do you really have four? I have four. But you really have four? Yeah, but you play a lot of arcade games But listen here we go with this fucking discussion The out arcade game the hundred percent arcade game takes just as much effort. No, that's not true

A lot of retail games. Yes, it is true. I mean you get less I know no, I agree with you that you get less throw away achievements like like you know do some really easy enough But it's still only twelve achievements. You know we should do only We pick a retail game for me and I pick an arcade game for you. What I'm we know That's not gonna settle anything. Let's do that Going down the super specific there's no fair balance He's absolutely right. Do you know why you should count them? Well, that should equally count There's no fair balance. There's no argument here.

He's absolutely right. Do you know why you should count them or that you should equally count? They don't like that. But you'd be called as less points, as less achievements. I don't know how you can count them. Because everyone has access to the same ones. Are you telling me it took you, what are your completed games you have? Name a few.

Hitman, blood money. A oblivion was one, but that got DLCs, so I don't have that. You cannot, you cannot, you cannot. No, it's true. You can't compare with Jiff. Jiff fall out or believe me. Are you calling me Jeff? No Jeff has avatar You can get it in four minutes. Yeah, cuz it's the common way here You're picking a bad one. We could pick bad arcade games. You're getting four minutes also Yeah, I can say I can say do trials at see you can't disagree right generally speaking

Generally speaking. It's yeah, I think you're the lone wolf on this one Bernie No, you think your marble blast ultra Completing that was harder or you see me was easier than say doing some of these games. It's like forget hard It's just like you just have to go just the amount of time you have to commit to some of the stuff It's ridiculous like like a Assassin's Creed I have to collect all those freaking flags over the You go to Google you go to Google and you get a map and you go okay this is where all the flags are so takes for freaking ever to walk But it's a sad fun you got a freaking flag. Well, let me give you an example since you're picking a sass

It's read let me give you another example of an arcade one. There's one called heavy weapon That I have done and that's a game where you just like it's like a robotron shooting kind of stuff Which all arcade work for well you have to go through the first 11 levels without dying any argument You may is not gonna carry any water because it's a specific argument. I Drawing these like super specific things. No, that's a random middle of the road one I agree with you that there are arcade games where it's just as hard and as time moves forward That's becoming more more the case, but no some of my most impossible retail games are ones that I've done if there's not possible Achievement in arcade game. I don't even give it. I don't give it any hope. I really don't I just I'm more ready to

Abandon arcade like what's it gonna be like like battlefield right? Yeah, the two-hour points come on dude You do that like two days you know like no day battlefield No, you got to play a lot of hunger matches. It'll take that one will take a few days of grating. That's 1500 minutes Okay, so what three days. Yeah, I mean that it's still pretty easy. How long the hail three take you? I'm not I haven't I haven't gotten all the boys in Halo 3. I'm not a big I seriously don't what even before DLC you didn't get a thousand points I don't I think I'm you didn't get a thousand points Terrible it's Hayley three man. I'm not a good. I'm not as good. I'm not a good game I've got a hundred percent Castle Crashers than talk to me. We we had everyone pretty much everyone

I know when Hayley three came out was the race to a thousand points. You did it I know you were like trying to get the last overkill and he was cheating but never I last overkill and he was cheating but I remember you had a party never as soon as the DLC came out released before the game was released how would I do that we were at the party we're at the Halo 3 we're at the Halo 3 launch party with Bill Gates and drinks and it's a lunch bar and where's Bernie he's right on lock and she was saying if it's a launch party it's not cheating yeah because the game is lunch I know no, because it was before the game was launched. No, no, no. So you had a head start.

It was before the game was launched. It was before the game was launched. It was before the game was launched. It was, that's two hours, that's nothing. I had played through the whole campaign a week prior to that, fully. And I, and I tried to play through the campaign again. And you tried to cheat with that. I did try to do.

What did I try to cheat? I brought in the Rickard. Yeah, look, look. Luckily Xbox Live profiles don't work on partner net. Well, no, I asked Bungie I said it wouldn't I said it's a really chance like a start of longagee miss and they said yeah Plus I didn't want backlash at the time from like oh you would have gotten some shit. Oh, dude. Yeah I didn't do that but who is the first in the office at thousand points. It was you right? Bernie. I don't know. I don't do that but who was the first in the office get a thousand points. It was you right Bernie I don't know. I don't know. It was Bernie

You know, I like I like stuff that people do with their achievements are really cool like Nico Nico has an Xbox live account. He has a thousand points in Halo 3 and he has a thousand total gamer score as he still never Got anything else from his profile. That's it. He's never unlocked a single achievement in any other game That's pretty I like I like stuff like that I remember Jericho we were playing grower and it was the hour long survive one where it's to defend that spot for an hour That was the only achievement she had in that game. But if it's so loud, that's the hardest one. Just that achievement and nothing else. I want to do that in every game. Just get one achievement as the hardest. But it goes back to two. I'm really really defend. I think I'm locking arcade games and counting them 100%

I'm totally fine with that. I'd also be fine with the breakdown. How do you feel about getting 100% in the game and then the game releases DLC and it takes that game away from you and you're no longer 100% I think they should separate between achievements I think so many does something that Microsoft doesn't that's better and I'm very rare. They'll say that they give you a trophy For completing the game. Yeah, everyone's on the same page about you mean for a hundred percent all the other ones hundred percent the retail game Okay, then you get a plat and trophy like I would have a platinum in orange How easy would that be to do right and then they just make a separate for the downloadable content Just make a separate me and okay, or just more achievements

You don't need another trophy for that because it's too it's too It's you know like fallout put up five extra DLCs. They might put out more. They might not they said no But we'll see yeah, they said no, but yeah like what when I when I did a hundred percent on oblivion I was like I sold it after that. I don't know when it's play again But now I've got a partially completed game. It's like 70% done I'm sucks. They don't wait. I'll tell you the one that did that to me on was bio shock I 100% bio shock and then they put out this extra achievement without DLC They put out this extra achievement without DLC. They put out this after a minute. It's just frustrating to me that they kinda don't know,

I shouldn't even go down this path, but it's like they don't know their own culture. You know, it's so obvious. Like everybody don't think it's cool, so we're not. Well, no, but I mean, come on, right? If I see it, Jesus. Yeah, I mean, BioShock was bad, because it just, you cannot tame.

And they said, now go through it again without ever dying once on the hardest level It's like I'm not gonna do that. Yeah, I'm just not gonna do that. Yeah, and so now I have a What now is an achievement that was 1100 like they put out the first thousand and then all of a sudden They came up with this another hundred points without any deal It's like it's like they're mind it's like oh, it's weird. I didn't know you could do that It's like undermining your own currency as far as I know you can't it's like they just forgot something It's like oh we're gonna do these let's let's do them and

then to put them out for no reason well well there's a reason I mean to let's make some more money it's probably no no DLC yeah there's no DLC it was extra achievements they just threw in later that's right so hurtful bizarre it's it's one of the things to it's one of the places that I'm obsessed about achievements I don't care about the score and I'll care and school means nothing I just want a hundred percent the game right that's it or get the hardest achievement in the game or something like that and When I do that then they like it gets taken away retroactively. I can't stand that I don't know why that is and I get mad But I get very bothered to just connect the run record. Yeah, right exactly

I get mad when I start a game and then I get to an achievement that is very clearly unattainable You know, or I'm not going to attain it and it's a broken achievement essentially What so it and it puts you off playing the rest of the game. Yeah, it's like well, you know Now I don't want to finish it cuz I'm no no I'm not gonna get level 10 in Grand Theft Auto And I know I'm not gonna get 10,000 kills in Gears Award. I would easily any day rather have like 47 out of 50 achievements than like 20 something I'd still go all the way even if I knew that was something I couldn't get oh really yeah I won't even get the dumb achievements where like you there's one in Superman returns

Where you'd a fly 10,000 miles I completed the whole game and I had 2500 and The way most people get that achievement is by putting rubber bands around the controller Right and letting fly in a circle all night. Right. And I'm just, I'm not going to do that either. I'd rather not have those lame achievements. Do you have that achievement for cheating? No, I don't. Oh, you don't?

That's pretty good. No, I don't have that one either. I like negative achievements. That's a little awkward about it. I hate stuff that's just like, you know, consume a bunch of time for no reason. Exactly. I hate, I really hate time-based achievements. Like there was one in Viva Pignata.

I didn't have for a long time. That was play Viva Pinyana for 50 hours. Did you have everything else? Except that I did so it showed that I got all the other achievements in less than 50 hours that in itself is like So now I'm just gonna like let the game run to get the last human what I did is better than that But it be it yeah, it's more impressive to not have that I have everything else there are some other achievements that are inherently like really bad Like I didn't make it to the final version But remember that terrar game that was gonna come out where they had achievements for team killing Yes, and they have a huge backlash and I didn't get a remove before the final version I do I do like time-based ones that make you like in GTA

That was one for completing under 30 hours. Is that right? Yeah, and but for me that totally ruined the game. I rushed through that game was I've got to I've got to do I don't want to play this again cleaning under 30 hours, is that right? Yep. And, but for me that totally ruined the game. I rushed through that game, I was like, I've got to, I've got to do it. I don't want to have to play this again in under 30 hours. I did it in 19. So I could have easily like, fucked around and done a few side missions, but it ruined the game.

Yeah. Because I was playing it, I was playing it in a rush. I mean, it's, it's a good achievement. It's nice one to have, but I think it destroyed the game for me. But there are, there are some where you think it would destroy the game. Like, half life, two episode one, where you have to do it with firing one bullet and the bullet you fire is to shoot a lock off a door Right that's totally fine. It's still fine when you do that and it doesn't ruin the game, which is art. Yeah, it's a challenge Yeah

It's like the in half-life to you they had a lot of great achievements And the one where you had to carry the gnome of the game bitch that okay, that's the opposite that fucking ruin episode That was a slut. I lost that fucker so many times like at one point I dropped off a ledge and he was there and I was like I Can't reach him. I can't do anything to game He was just like off the ledge above my head and I had to replay I lost like two hours Oh, man, I didn't save him. I saved so much. Yeah All right, well, we should definitely wrap up.

OK, I'm sorry, guys. Anything else before we wrap up today? I'm good. All right, well, if we end up doing this wild contest, I'll post details about it with the podcast. So thanks for listening. Bye, guys. Thanks, bye.

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