Rooster Teeth Podcast - Rooster Teeth Podcast #37

Episode Date: November 25, 2009

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Twisted metal, streaming only on peacock. Huff on the old rock tank, Huff on the old rock tank. Swear all the gamers, come great grants of Huff on the old rock tank. Sip back for legs, Cause it's time for the Brought time Yeah I feel like I'm back in Alabama. I felt like there should be smoke or tune animals clapping along with that. That was my favorite one yet That was a good one. I liked it. I don't know. I think every week we say it's our favorite one That's the tip. No, not everyone. Oh, no, not you. Yeah, that's right. Do you know I've lived in Texas for most of my life and I've never yelled

Yeeha. That's a fucking blast. That's the first time you've ever said Yeeha in your life. Just yelled it like that. That's fun. Now I know why people do it. Tomorrow you're gonna come into work with a cowboy hat and spurs on. I finally understand you're simmity Sam. He was just hungry. You just want to eat a rabbit. I can't know what that is. Did you ever see the He was just hungry. He just wants to eat a rabbit. I can't know what that is. Did you ever see the explanation of why Wiley Coyote is chasing Roadrunner? Did you ever see that cartoon? No, and he went oh Yeah, he goes through the dialogue showing like all the different cuts of meat on the Roadrunner right? Yeah, yeah I've seen that and how each part of the Roadrunner is Delectable and tastes different like there's a banana pudding section and a

Flamenian section and of course, the road runner is so tiny that they're all just like tiny little slivers. Hey, let's, let's finish this up and go to lunch. Yeah, I'm pretty hungry now. I think when we get some road runner, do they have road runner at Cafe 616? We'll see. I think that was the point at which I really started

to switch and wanted Wiley Coyote to catch the road runner after I saw that. I can't. Between that and seeing cartoon stakes all the time. No, I just, he catch the road runner after I saw that team. Between that and seeing a cartoon stakes all the time. Yeah, I just I saw the infographic. It's like a metaphor for today's media. Once you see the pretty graphic, you're like, that makes sense.

He's making really good points. I think you should eat the road runner. This is why we love USA Today, right? Infographics. Exactly. The road runner needs to take one for the team. The hungry team. Are you referencing the fact that FARC partnered with USA Today just this morning?

Yes, I am actually. Oh, I didn't hear that. Yeah. Yeah, USA Today and FARC announced a partnership in which, and the weird thing is I found out about this and actually drew who owns FARC linked it on his Twitter account and he linked to an article on earthfirst.org. That was the organization that announced that. And so they're partnering for the geek tab. I'm not exactly sure exactly what they're doing,

but yeah, Farq is now partnered with USA Today. If only there was some other news organization he could have linked to who can we partner with? We need a partner with someone now. I'm sorry, it's earthtimes.org. Is that like the green version of Reuters or AP? Well, I don't know. I wouldn't think that FARC is an overly environmental or USA Today. You want me to read the opening here? Yeah, whatever.

USA Today, the nation's top selling print newspaper and a leading online destination. I know it's in my book. Announces a unique partnership with FARC.com, the news aggregator, and edited social networking news site. Starting today, USA Today.com, the news aggregator, and edited social networking news site. Starting today, USAToday.com's tech section, the one-stop guide for all things technology will become the exclusive host and sponsor of the Geek page on FARC.com, the pages available

at FARC.USAToday.com. Interesting. Yeah. Well, I'm happy for Drew. That sounds like a really cool deal. I can't think of anything positive to say about USA today though. I I've seen it many times at hotels With the last time many of you guys read USA today the only time I've read it is when I look at the headline to get it out of my Waze fucking walk out of my hotel. Yeah, I see it at hotel rooms a lot. Yeah, that's about it, right?

But that like back when I'm to this is the case for everyone But when I was a journalist USA today was like the joke of journalism, you know? Well, I really like the Connect the Dot section. That's fun. Well, here's something. I've read an article yesterday about how the guy who's running Twitter says that he would take the IPO root if necessary.

He just raised another, I think, $200 million from, I guess, Tiro Price, an investment company and another venture capital company, $200 million from, I guess, Tiro Price, an investment company and another venture capital company, $200 million. And he says that if he's the name of the holding company, so we can all sell our shares in the one time. Here's the thing, he says, if he needs, I guess, more money, he's valuing Twitter, he's valuing Twitter at, he believes, a billion dollars.

And so if you're in Tiro Price, or I think it was insight venture capital, something like that, like an independent bunch of investors, I guess basically the plan would be, to take this thing IPO, and if you're in T-Row price or you're a venture capital person, that's when you cash in, when it's IPO'd. And then whoever the firm is,

they're gonna make advertisements about it, get sucker investors to invest in it, and then that's when you sell. Right. You know, because what's the, what's the curve on Twitter, right? I mean, I don't know right now it's a name. Well, people have been saying that for a while, but it doesn't make any money. Yeah, it's got to end soon. It doesn't make any money.

But as long as you have a name and people who are sucker investors to line up, it's just going to keep calling. But the thing about that though, Gus, is people have been saying it for a while, but Twitter hasn't been around very long either. You know, not three years? Well, I'm saying not in the spotlight. It hasn't been around that long. I see.

People have been saying that about Twitter during its peak. That's kinda weird. There's nothing, it says late 90s to me, then like a tech company, the people don't quite understand. They know they know the name, they think it's cool, but yet it doesn't make any money.

Yeah, they have no way to make money. And they're just like, well, I know the name, it's popular, I should invest in that. Especially it's a goofy name. Maybe we just don't understand it. Maybe it's like another Craigslist where it doesn't have any visible way to make money and then years down the road you figure out,

oh, they were selling ads in New York all the time. But I mean, he's he stated that they're not profitable, right? Yeah, yeah, I think so I mean, how good they be. What's the source of revenue? Exactly. I mean, it's one thing to not be profitable. It's a totally different thing to have no revenue no money coming in I don't know he I think he said that they have some money coming in now and maybe when you started hearing terms like 2011 They're looking at some Nigerian investors very seriously right now that they have so money coming in now and maybe when you started hearing terms like 2011 they're looking at some Nigerian investors very seriously right now some royalty maybe wanted to give them some money they're trying to work out the details speaking of 2011 and profitability not to change the subject but did you guys see that Sony pushed back their profitability forecast to like 2013?

Sony yeah I mean all of our Sony out yeah they're hoping the PlayStation will be profitable by 20 the end of 2010 But Sony is a brand was supposed to be profitable by I think 2012 and now they're saying 2013 Shit 2012, huh fucking yeah, there was a rumor that IBM was gonna halt manufacturing of the cell processor and The official press release that IBM put out in response that was we'll keep making the cell processor as long as Sony wants it. So I guess there's no other use for this thing and that's all they're going to make it for is just for the Sony. Wow. That's like the corporate equivalent of you can crash in my place.

Things are going hard. You know, you can just sleep on my couch. That's fine, buddy. We're here for you. It's kind of reminiscent of Apple when they use the power PC chips and Motorola was making them. It was like, yeah, we'll make a few every now and then when we need them. You guys want to talk about that copy of the patent for the podcast? You guys want to talk about that? Oh yeah, we got contacted because, well, I want to hear Joel explain it. No, no, no.

Go ahead, Joel, you ride it up. Yeah, apparently there's these aliens. There is a company called Volo Media, and then we're getting all this second hand because somebody contacted us, but Volo Media apparently has a patent and has been awarded a patent on podcasting where there's very specific language in it, something along the lines of it allows people

to get a subscription and download regular content based on their subscription to that show. Right. And that would essentially be podcasting. I think they said periodic content. Periodic regular content, whatever. You know, episodic content, I think it was in there as well. Perhaps. So this comedy now could then kind of get a stranglehold on the whole podcasting economy. No, no, no, watch out. But it is, it is a pretty far reaching patent. And it's one of those really scary broad patents. And somebody contacted us because the EFF, which is the electronic foundation frontier

frontier foundation, guess what is it? The electronic frontier foundation. Thank you very much. Apparently they're looking for someone who was doing this kind of thing before they filed and were awarded their patent, which was sometime in September of 2003. And we've been contacted by some people because we started Red versus Blue April 1st, 2003, in which we had a subscription model. Yep. I'm like a lot of sites, which I, we go out to Twitter. Why doesn't Twitter offer pro accounts?

Why don't they just do that? It's easy. Just people love Twitter so much, you put a little bird by their name, you know, give the extra five characters. You've got to dammit, you're beat me to it. It's got to be the pattern where it's just like we're going to suck up as many users as we possibly can until we have to throw that down. And then because that's when you got to start losing people

Right, I guess so I guess so I don't know how you can go into business and do that like how do you just set up that this is what I'm gonna Do with my life. I'm gonna start a business that doesn't really have a value Just so I can sell it to somebody in like some kind of weird gotcha moment and you know Ha ha I'm out see ya But you know in April of 2003 I'm out. See ya. But you know, in April of 2003, we started offering red versus blue as episode of Contact and Content. And then later in two thousand or in, excuse me, later in April, we introduced our sponsorship model, our subscription model, which was actually a paid model too. And so they contacted us and say, Hey, you guys predate this thing. Would

you be interested in helping bust this patent? Hell yeah. Why not? Now why would we bust it when we can own it? Apparently we did it first. Every time we never filed a patent, we can we can make the drunk tank the only real podcast on the internet. Everyone else is just never too low. You went to I do podcasts.

It was just drunk tank, right? Big icon right in the middle of that. We have to like divide up all the responsibilities of all the other podcasts like us would have to talk about Harry Potter it would be great yeah so it's it's kind of interesting I I uh I'm not a big fan of patents on things that everybody knows about anyway and just some Jack ass had the idea oh I'm gonna fill out the form before anybody else thinks to do it I don't know what I don't know I mean I'm sure you would feel different about it

if you were the jackass you sort of came up with some sort of technology what do you know why are we telling in 2009 to bring it up it's too broad maybe this particular jackass is wrong this isn't some dude sitting in a lab who came up with this idea of delivering episodic content automatically through the internet. I mean, what the fuck everybody knows about that? I mean, it's so dumb. It doesn't need it. Like, I patented breathing. Fuck it. You all can't breathe. You owe me money. Exactly right. No. I hold it. I'm going to pat and holding my breath for 13 seconds. So anybody who does owes me 15 cents, you know? I mean, it's just, it's not like, trust me, we talk a lot about piracy.

In fact, we caught a lot of shit last week about that we're apparently not PC gamers, that people think that we don't like PC gaming. We love PC gaming. I don't think, I think we've talked about PC gaming more than anything else with a fucking world of warcraft discussions that Gus always has. And the fact that we're all gonna play Old Republic the second it comes out. Yep. I think people confused our hatred of people who whine about irrelevant shit on the internet with PC gaming

somehow when we were talking about modern warfare too. Anyway, I'm lost in my own train of thought here. What were we talking about just before this that led to PC gaming? We're talking about patents. Oh, no, no. I would just say clearly we like intellectual property. We vocally say how much we don't like piracy.

I see the value of patents and allowing people to make money for their intellectual property Yeah, but this is not I mean this is some guy like oh this is something everybody's thinking of nobody I like all the side businesses it's spring up where it's like is something becomes popular It's like well, maybe how can we just get Apple to settle? Yeah, how can we just get Apple's settle? Yeah, that's a lot of money It's like that. Uh, isn't isn't aren't Nokia and Apple in It's like that. Uh, isn't isn't aren't Nokia and Apple in suing each other right now over some mobile technologies? I think I think they're uh, Nokia suit Apple Apple counter suit. This is whole thing going on now. Teemo is making a lot of money suing people at this point and that I mean you could kind of make the argument that they have the ability to do that but

digitally recording video. I mean once again, is that really That novel of a concept people were doing that. I was doing that in 1998 when I was making movies Hmm, I think the the thing they were doing though was the whole scheduling thing and having integrated with Programming so you don't have to it's not a manual process right right you know you've arrived as a company when you're getting sued by people This is just how it is no I don't ever want us to arrive as a company not entertainment companies for the love of God good lord This is just how it is. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, have a jailbroken phone, you're susceptible to another virus that puts a worm on your screen. That's how you know you have it.

How do you feel about that? Well, you know, we talked about it once before, where I guess that Dutch hacker was doing this and he was hacking people's phones, and he would lock them out of their phone and tell them if they sent him five euros that he would unlock their phone. Oh my God.

I love this. I love it. I personally, you know, if you jailbreak your phone, fuck you, you know, you, uh, we're like we're talking about piracy. You're obviously doing this to, you know, get circumvent DRM and steal stuff so you get we deserve. In fact, I hope Apple's doing this.

I hope Apple's writing these viruses. Really? Yeah, sure. Why not? I mean, I don't care about that kind of thing. I mean, that's their, that's their, uh, if they're using it to get like, I know someone who has a jailbroken phone and the someone who has a jailbroken phone, and the reason she has a jailbroken phone,

she says she can download all the apps on the app store for free. Oh, there you go. Mm-hmm. That's, I mean, you think about that. I don't know that person, do I? Maybe. At that point, you're not just taking from Apple and AT&T. I mean, the people who make the apps for the store

tend to be single programmers working in a bedroom somewhere. Yeah, like the fucking making the world's worst fucking programs all the time. How many how many apps does this girl have in her phone? Oh, I don't know. I haven't look. Give her the worm. It's a buck. That's the most out of context. Just give her the worm dude. That'll solve any problem with some. But yeah, I love it. Speaking of apps. Four square. Hey, yeah, do you like that? I'm in love with it. Yeah, Jeff and I have been looking at 4Square as an alternative to Twitter.

It's like an active version of Twitter, essentially. What's that? I don't know. I don't even know what that is. 4Square is a social networking media community bot thing that you go and download an app for your iPhone. And Jeff, why don't you describe what happens from there? You download an app for your iPhone and Jeff why don't you describe what happens from there. You download an app from your iPhone. Okay. Now you

download this app and then you turn it on and it says hey do you want to find all your friends using four square and you say absolutely. So then you've I have like Bernie and Griffin and I think Nathan's using four squares well and then what you do is when you go to a location like say we're gonna go downstairs to the high dot to get some coffee you go to a location, like say we're gonna go downstairs to the hideout to get some coffee, you go to four square and check in and say, hey, I'm at the hideout. And it lets all of your friends know

Bernie's at the hideout, getting coffee. And then it keeps a record of how often you go to places. And if you go to that place more than anybody else, you can become the mayor of the hideout and take it away from somebody else. So why didn't y'all tell me about this? I see y'all are friends of Nathan now, huh? It's a perfect stalking tool.

I see what's going on. It's really, it's oddly, it's oddly, what else are y'all in Nathan doing together? Nothing. Now how does it know that you're at the hideout? A GPS, I guess. At least town for like three days and look what happens. Anything that like uses the GPS in the background of your phone

and it tells other people, that's a little scary to me. Hey, me and my phone Jeff, I want to show, I want to show you something. Is there a four squaring too hard? No, I don't think there's a four squ to me. Hey, me, my phone, Jeff. I want to show you. I want to show you something. Is there a four-squaring too hard? No, I don't think there's a four-squaring too hard yet. But I have a Twitter app for my iPhone called Tweety. And one of the weird features of it is that you can just hit a nearby search.

And it'll show you all the tweets that happened within a little range on your Google Maps. Yeah, I have Twitter Rific on my iPhone. And it does the same thing. It shows you by distance, all the tweets going on around you I'm the currently trying to become the mayor of the liquor store by my house Nice, but someone named Megan Kay has it right now. What a drone. Hey, that shit. What is that the the twin liquors over there? Yeah, all right. I'm gonna fight you for it then

Well, the cool thing about it is that you just say I'm here. I'm at the teriyaki place And I hit my bot, I check in there, and then it just kind of updates your friends where you are and where you're going and what you've been doing. And there's no, it's more active, whereas I consider Twitter to be very passive, where you're just sitting there thinking about getting out,

you know, or whatever people type on there. Fuck it, I'm downloading it right now. Could this law in its store books be any longer? Like that shit? Is that a new Twitter voice? Yeah, that's my Twitter voice. I think it needs to have more hipster-ish to hear something like. Let's try to sound bored and...

Head-sci in offended. Ugh. Ugh. I can't believe I got third-row tickets. Hahaha. There was like, the thing about Twitter that I can't stand is it makes me like people that I know in real life. It makes me like them less.

Sure. Because it is just this endless stream of weird kind of forced humility, but you're bringing up stuff to make yourself look better. Like, no one is important enough to use Twitter. What? No one is important enough to use Twitter. You can argue with that. Yeah.

Yeah. I don't need to know anything. I don't need to know that level. Maybe the president. Maybe the president. Maybe the president. It's president, maybe the president, it's like taking, taking a, taking an old one down, everybody puts their pants on one leg at a time. And now here we are in 2009,

we get to hear about it every two. I'm going back to, we're going to a hall. I'm drinking a cup of coffee. Well, the reachweed feature that they just introduced is really cool, but nobody's using it. And you realize how little people actually retweet, what's the retweet feature they're introducing? Well, they kind of just changed it up. To where now you can just hit, like if you said, I can't believe my wife has double-deboobs or something like that.

Not you, I'm not pointing at anybody in particular. Nice. Then you would say, okay, I'm going to retweet this. And it would not make an entry for me. It would just keep it, like, it would keep a tally of everyone who's retweeted it, essentially. You know, I read that that feature costs $200 million in venture capital.

So, it's pretty crazy. It's a great investment to your price out there. But you know what, it got them a million percent closer to profitability, right? That's a great question. Where is all that money going? Well, they redesigned their offices. They only get posted. They did post that. They re-did their offices. They had money going? Well they redesigned their offices. They only get posted They did post they read it. They're off a big party and read it. They're reading their offices. They had a gallery of

Definitely looked at it. Was it 32 photos? Yeah, it was a bunch. There was one photo of a desk in their office I just think you've ever seen couches nice Common areas like bars and shit when you're not making money. You don't have to work You just go to work to hang out anti-gravity think tanks that kind of thing well that company is made for the stock market It's made just climb like crazy and then just crash. So when is there satellite launching? That's a satellite. Yeah, I mean come on. They got that much money. Did you get their own extension for domain names? Like we all have a name like it had Bernie that T W T or something like that all right Let's do that. That's how you get to my Twitter

They're gonna need to raise some more VC. I saw that Ben What was it on Google Wave? Ben who's our web developer? Yeah, it's it's at website. You know you have a little part of the form where you can just fill in my name is Ben King and oh, what's what's your website? Ben King he wrote Twitter.com slash Ben or our two Dan or whatever nice So that's his home on the internet. Our web. You know, the other day, Jeff and I heard we were driving home after working on this in NPR and we heard a story on NPR about how I can is thinking about changing the way you enter domain names in your browser to allow for

non English character domain names. Non English characters. So you have like Chinese characters dot Chinese characters or Arabic characters dot Arabic characters. And you could only get to that domain name through that way. It's not like they're aliens or anything. And they say that like the English language has an unfair command over domain names and that it should be opened up. So like like you know, Bidu's like a big search engine in China.

So to get there, I'm sure they have like the Chinese character equivalent. But if you wanted to go there and you type like bidu.cn, then you would be taken to like a different English language version of the site, not the actual site they get in China. Also interestingly on that trip home, Gus, you and I have never talked about this, but we were stuck in a light and you and I looked over to the left and we saw a homeless guy drink a bottle of ketchup. That's true.

Drinking entire like he had a big thing on mine's ketchup with a squeeze bottle. And he just sat down, he picked it up and was like, squeeze. It's like a baby bottle. You know, he got, well. And Austin, I'm hoping it was ketchup. Dude, I don't care. Whatever it was, it was a big red bottle of ketchup. It's even gross, if it wasn't ketchup.

You don't know, maybe he had a mouth full of fries. It was crazy. Bernie, you just showed me this four square. I got to say, I'm four square. This is the nearby future of Twitter. a lot of the the the the the

the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the into it. Well it does people's phones have it and the deal is Twitter's also used I probably a lot on computers and computers don't have GPS maybe yours doesn't but soon they will. Like I know how GPS is entitled and everything. Well we're inside so GPS wouldn't work here. What do you mean? GPS doesn't work here. When you're in here, your iPhone uses like cellular tower approximation.

Yeah, no, I get that. But I mean, if your computer's in a fixed location, the Jolts say GPS is going to be everywhere. I'm saying this never going to be here. But it has the same functionality or no. It's only a dumb statement to say GPS is going to be everywhere. It just sounds like a dumb thing to say. I don't know why.

Really? Say a lot of dumb things. Dude, K and Austin. I don't know how it's not incorporated, how it's not going to be incorporated into everything. I was using my iPhone when I was North Carolina and I had no cell phone coverage, but I could get my little blue dot to come up because I could apparently reach the satellites. Yeah. So I was wondering, is there an easy way to pull the land, land attitude, latitude and longitude Information off of your iPhone GPS. I'm still not convinced that it was actually connected though

I had a little blue dot. Yeah, but maybe that blue dot just loads on a black screen It was on a blind stream because I couldn't load the map. Yeah, but maybe we should test that further Like we should turn off the radio on the phone and then load Google maps and see what it does. Does it still have a blue dot? I don't know. I don't know know. It's a really good question. You should do that. How does that work, exactly? Is there a little GPS device in here? I believe so.

That seems weird. GPS is weird. OK, let me, you say you can't come in here. But how does it get through the phone? How does it get through my pocket? How does it get through the roof of my car? Is it coming through the windows because of satellites or angles?

Yeah, they're looking at you. On the horizon? No, I'm just, I'm just asking. I just question. Yeah, I think so. They come through the windows and angles. My cat has GPS. Well, GPS is gonna be everywhere. I truly believe dogs. I mean, I get GPS in the future, but cats definitely will know my cat definitely my head. She's the chip. That's how I was gonna

find her. There's no idea right there every every every every every. My cat ate an iPhone. That's what you think happened to give us iPhonein's iPhone like if you were falling like you're selling like dog and cat collars that had GPS chips in them when you make Joel that's not a great idea right? I'll say you're gonna be off the hook for the entire body cat. Hold on a second. You really thought your cat had a GPS. No my cat has the satellite chip. What? What? No. There's no satellite chip in your cat. Yeah I had it implanted in her. No. There's no satellite chip in your head. Yeah we did it at the vet.

No that's not what that is. What is it? That's a chip that if your pet is found, they can scan it and read the information off the chip. It doesn't locate your cat. It doesn't locate your cat. This one does. No, it does. And I guarantee because that would be the coolest app in the entire world is to see cat patterns in your city like you can overlay it over Google Maps. You don't have that iPhone up yet? No, no, listen, your cat does not have a GPS. My cat's got computers in him. I'm telling you. Your cat does not have, is not GPS. He's got a cybernetic eye. My cat can upload videos directly to YouTube just so you know. My cat aggregates music I like off of it. You have to download the permeate of my phone. Didn't you, did you lose your you lose your cat recently? Thanks to GPS, I found them though. Yeah, if you had GPS in your cat, why didn't you use it? Cause I hadn't registered it yet.

I hadn't registered the chip yet. All right, I'm gonna look this up. Cause you're saying this was such confidence, it makes me think you could possibly have GPS in your cat. I'm just fucking around. Have you ever seen the cool camera collars that you can buy for cats? Yeah, you showed it to me,

but cats don't do anything interesting. No, apparently not. They just hang out in stone drains all day long. Man, they're like the perfect users for Twitter then. Taken an app under a car. You should be the video of the cat sitting at home all day long. I showed you that. Basically sat there in a chair for eight hours, then moved.

Watching a bird. Thinking about getting some food. Later. There was a video Joel's talking about is some guy set up a video camera to record what happens in his house when he goes to work. And he wants to see what his two cats do all day long. They literally did nothing all day. It was two cats and they sat in the exact same spot. Any time left, eight hours or ten hours over the course of like a minute and a half. They just nothing all day. It was two cats and they sat in the exact same spot and he time left eight hours or ten hours over the course of like a minute and a half. They just sat there the entire day doing nothing. Nice. You know Joe was doing that.

Joe was just kind of sitting on those stairs doing nothing. You'd also sit back here on the couch every now and then mix it up. You know it's either removal of the couch covers. I did notice that. Yeah. We're replacing the couch covers on our couch so we can get rid of all the cat dander Dander that sounds like such a dirty word. Do you think so? Dander sounds gross. That doesn't seem gross to me at all. I don't like it You heard the expression got my dander up. That sounds kind of creepy, right? I guess I never heard that I Call it my penis Jesus. See that sounds dirty. Yeah, now it's dirty

Hey, did you hear that? I've just has a GPS chip in it's my penis. It's it's boner PS. Um did you hear about you know you remember a couple weeks ago right before modern warfare 2 came out uh Xbox live band a whole bunch of people who were playing the game illegally and had pirated it. Yeah. Did you hear that they are now mulling a class action lawsuit against Microsoft? Yep. Interesting. I guess a law firm is asking for people who got banned to contact them so they can figure out if they have a class action lawsuit on their hands. This is why I like lawyers. That was fighting for injustice. What the fuck?

Intellectual property law firm, Abington IP. I guess it's who's trying to organize it. I would love to see their side of the argument. Yeah. I would love to see their side of the argument. Yeah. I mean, what is their side of the argument? Who knows? Well, I don't think most people realize that when you sign up that big long list of user agreements that you never read and the end user license agreements, that's an actual

contract. And they're saying the acknowledge that the bands were a method to combat the legitimate concern of piracy. The firm claims Microsoft could have and should have tailored its punishment more narrowly No, I mean, you know more narrowly what the problem is that the problem is they're going to have to find the guys who are shut off that shouldn't have been shut off And I think everything the Microsoft has said that they take a very wide sampling and then they always scale it back So I just don't get it. It's really weird in this culture when we have people say Microsoft isn't playing fair when they don't expect to be able to play fair either. You know, they they want to not play fair, but they want the person on the other side to play fair.

It's like, yeah, I was pirating games, but you guys shot my Netflix. I wasn't even pirating that. I was only inviting your stuff. Oh, I'd be careful. These guys have offices in Tulsa, Wichita and Dallas. Really? They're huge. We're going to come to find out.

They're representing us in a patent lawsuit or something like that. It was Tulsa first as their first office, Jesus. We're not, hey, if we agreed to do this thing and help these people with this damn patent thing, we're not going to get a fucking court and shit, are we? I hope not. I don't even own a suit.

Man. I got my dress hoodie dirty. It's got oil stains on it. Maybe we should just sell our company to that people who want the patent. The faster course of action. I think we can make some stains on it. Maybe we should just sell our company that people who want the patent faster course of action I'm gonna make some money on that. I'm gonna make some money on that. The investor Twitter is why?

What did Tobias company? If anybody wants a patent on broadcasting just give us a call. We'll sell our company for $200 million. Yeah, we did a valuation on our company. We're worth $2,040 billion. No, no, no, no, no, if Twitter's worth a billion we got to be worth at least like $700,800,800,000,000. Well don't forget we're negative glued podcasting. 40 billion no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no Hey, I'm, how come no one's playing left for dead too? I'm not playing anything at all. Why? I'm just really busy, because we're about to purchase a building that we're going to move into. And potentially.

Potentially? I mean, we're going to do something. And the one we're looking at just as eating up a lot of time with me, because there's issues with the building. So the building has been used as a restaurant, as a restroom for homeless people for the past six months, essentially. Yeah, this is a building that is needs a lot of work and

Let's just put it this way the city of Austin agrees And once the city of Austin is what's the code department gets involved and it's just want to make sure we're making the right decision by choosing this particular building And we and we are if you've played Fallout, then you know what the building is. You know, actually touring that building is a lot like playing left for dead too. It really is. It is. It's. God, I've been playing a lot of left for dead too, Joel, to answer your original question.

You're the only one. Yeah, it's a little disappointing. I look at my friends list and I see one or two people playing with me. I've got like 300 points in it. What do you guys talking about? Yes, so do I But I only play it at work for videos It seems seems like it's definitely harder than the first one. I can't play video games at home anymore

I can't play new games at home anymore because if I'm playing a new release I have to be capturing otherwise I can miss an achievement video So instead I play stuff like fable 2 at home Which is what I've been playing you know what Joel said though is there's a lot of complaints about left for dead two being much harder than left for dead. I mean, serious complaints that the game is not enjoyable because it's so difficult. Joystick ripped it apart. I think it's hard.

It's harder. I haven't had too much of it, too much more of a difficult time. I just feel like some things are maybe a little more confusing now. Dark Carnival is harder, specific. That last bridge on the last level, I can't remember, but that last bridge where they throw, there's one tank on the bridge and then there's a second tank by the helicopter. I've played it on normal. I still cannot get on that. You should watch my video, I show you how to do it in two minutes. With Andrew Panton. Yeah, with two people,

I mean, just me and one of those people being Andrew Panton. Yeah, well, yeah, with two people I mean just on just mean it and one of those people being Andrew Panton I'm normal by myself. I think I got through that the first first try just kill the two survivors The killer the other survivors so they can't slay you down and just run on the left side No, no, I've done run run run on the left side the thing is is that I get into the helicopter and the tank Also gets into the helicopter and then kills me inside. I've never had that problem I've done it on easy and normal with Andrew Panton with Andrew Panton, but I mean we're not shooting There's like say I stopped the bank robbery superman If you watch the video, we're not shooting or anything. We're just running. I don't know if I shot a single lobby tell them to put the money back

You watch the video you'll get some awesome video. I watch the video. Did you say no in the kneltard guns? Duh, he'd vision Now I find dark carnival to be really hard the other campaigns. I didn't think we're too bad But dark carnival fucking it did they kind of take the fun even the mall You know we have to load the gas cans into the car. I really There's one level I felt was too long in the mall It's the one we have to turn off the alarm when it's going off I feel like that level stretched on for a long time

Yeah, I don't know sometimes the developers are like you know, we're just gonna make it impossible and that equals better Mm-hmm. I mean don't get me wrong. I'm having a blast with the game. I have a lot of fun But I'm being it is a lot of fun very Very picky. I do feel overwhelmed by equipment choices though. Yeah, and I felt weapon upgrades weren't as clear. Like before you had like a small rifle, then a bigger, more powerful rifle. Now you have like that submachine gun and then like an AK-47 or an M-16. Like there's a few other choices. Yeah, there's like four shots. And when I first started playing, I didn't know which was better or what the differences were

before it was just like good, better, good, better. You know, it was very clear cut. It's just a learning curve, you know. It's the apocalypse man. What do you want? Not everything's going to be clear cut, but that happens. You've got to be ready to make tough choices. I've still never seen the goddamn cricket stick.

Have you? Yeah. I've got that achievement for all the melee kills. That's the one I need Where's the cricket? I found it a lot at the mall level actually really yeah I will say that there's some stuff in it that's really cool like hard rain when you have to like when the weather gets worse Depending on how well you're doing. Yeah, and you have to you go to a point in the weather that's dependent upon how well you're doing. Yeah, supposedly that's what I heard Supposedly like the better you do the worst the rain is to make it

Oh to scale the difficulty for you. Wow. I've only played that little once But yeah, you're absolutely right that rain is it's a fantastic. It's a ton of fun It's basically the end where you're God now I'm scared. Are we giving up spoilers? But I'm in the beginning where it just it just turns into just a suit. Not I mean, it's just great I love some of the things they did in that game though like you know that whole Level where you have to go you, to a point and then come back. So you play through everything backwards and you have to remember where you were. And you really do have to remember where you were because coming back, it's confusing. Yeah. Yeah. And it's funny because I only played

it once, it didn't know. And it was like, Hey, there's, there's eight health gets in this room. Let's use them all. It's kind of difficult on the way back when there's no health gets. Also, dead center at the very beginning, when you're going down the the building and you got to run through all the fire and stuff. That was super cool. I don't know if you've had this dialogue pop up yet but one time, you know, Ellis is always talking about his friend Keith. One time Ellis, Ellis starts talking to the group and says, different to the time you and my friend Keith escaped off of a burning building filled with zombies. Oh wait, that was you guys. I can't wait until Keith about that one. Dude, this is just every single VGL has. It is awesome. I'm actually trying to make a video right now

of like this LL's is greatest hits. It's fantastic. It's fantastic. He's got a lot of really funny stuff. So now that you've played Left For Dead 2 and you've played Monter'd combat 2, which one? There's definitely more replay value in Left For Dead 2. Really? I think so. But you never played multiplayer on Call of Duty ever. I played it once or twice. Actually, I played several hours of Modern Warfare 2 before Lefford Ed 2 came out, which I probably played like six hours online. The problem is all right, but I prefer Lefford Ed 2.

And it's the same. It's like the exact same thing. Yeah, it's pretty similar. Yeah. Lefford Ed 2 is great in that you're forced to play as a team Yeah, with other players and you don't get that experience in a lot of other game FPS is for sure And I don't feel that way when I play modern warfare or even like when I play Halo really I feel that way an ods-t

but I like that experience I agree with you 100% yeah, and plus there's no only a game where it's like you You got to work as together as a team if you don't there's Consequences almost to me. Yeah, yeah, I don't really work well on teams. No, you don't yeah, well You're good at letting us know everyone stop what you're doing I am tackle how come you didn't respond into a minute a second and a hunter is on bird your headset is like screaming Never never have you like can you grasp how like a person is coming from only their own perspective when you play that game Yeah Yeah, you know what we is an apocalypse all that matters is that I survived that doesn't matter

Everything else that's it who cares? Hey, let me ask you this Joel. You've played modern warfare too now. Yes. Did you how would you think of the story? Yeah, I had some cool turns into it. It's funny because last time we talked, it was just right before that crazy turn at the end, which I liked. But the one thing about it is that it has, the gameplay's so gritty and awesome. And then they have a story which is a little bit ridiculous.

And a little confusing. And I'm not sure where they're going with it. You know, yeah, I agree and it does I don't like the setup for the next game. I thought Jeff's Reaction to the big the big plot twist where the general turns out to be the bad guy was the best reaction because Jeff's like Jeff says you know, I was in the military I know a general will never be on that plane out on the battlefield like that the second I sign bad guy Yeah, there's the first thing I thought like when you get stuff that playing to hold your hand after you uh after you go through the house level where you have to defend the house against

the Russians and like the general comes out and he goes good job and I was like I'm about to get fucking capped there is no way a general is gonna be on a fucking helicopter in the middle of Russia he would be in the Pentagon 17 feet of concrete above them this just doesn't't happen. It's fucking bullshit. There'd be some perennial light journal who is an awesome dude who spends his entire life in the field who can never get promoted because he's in the field constantly. There's no way.

No way. No way. I'm just coming from like a story point of view. And it's just like, how are they gonna pay this off at the end? Yeah. I don't know. What?

Yeah, they definitely left it kind of opening on a cliffhanger. The thing that worries me is they leave it open for a very splinter cell type next game where Soap and what's his face price are now gonna be like renegades. Yeah. They're gonna have like less equipment because they don't have access to all the resources. Yeah. And it's gonna go like, I just don't have access to all the resources. It's going to go like, that's just something cool. I feel like that's been done. Absolutely.

But I hate to sound like a negative because I really like the game. The game doesn't matter. The story ultimately game like bottom warfare, the story doesn't matter because the game is so much fun to play. And ultimately how they rank the game is, well, we'll Jeff and Joel by the next one. Yes. Yes, absolutely. I'll still be out there from

midnight launch. Yeah, so we're just in the picking fan, you know, fans of the game, we like it. Absolutely. Yeah, I've heard some really crazy stuff about Assassin's Creed 2 as well. Oh, have you? I just have heard that it's really great. I haven't had a chance to play it, have you? No, I haven't. Well, I played a little bit when we were making the commercial for it, you know, but I didn't want to get too far into it because I wanted to and you guys have a full experience you guys played the first one right? Yeah, for sure see everything I'm hearing About the second one and I guess there's a twist there at the end as well But it also feels really the same as the first one too. Oh really that wouldn't bother me

I don't think I like the first one enough, but I did read that it sold 1.3 million copies. It's first week. Oh, that's good. Which is pretty good. Yeah. I would think. So it's Twilight. So it's no new moon. How much money did new moon make? There was a third all time. Third highest opening. Number one single day. Number one midnight opening. Come on, inject. And then it was third highest of all time. Hey, do you want to weigh want to weigh in Jack real quick on tell us a little bit about Assassin's Creed 2? Don't you take Jeff's mic over there here sure? I'll talk about Assassin's Creed 2 What do you want to talk about what it started crazy? I mean I everything I'm reading about it Beelow just loving it without giving too many spoilers because it's a pretty new game that that's sort of the issue I okay without saying any spoilers the end of the game is fucking crazy like

Literally the character on screen goes what the fuck and which is exactly what I was thinking. As I was going. I didn't play the first one at all but I've heard the first one's kind of messed up too. But the story in this one it's really good actually. I really dug it. Yeah. Is it does it make you want to go back and play the first one? Do you have a frame of reference? Kind of. Kind of. Yes. But I've heard I've heard the first one gets role repetitive I'm not sure how true that is but Yes, Assassin's Creed one is what modern warfare two is it's the same sort of thing where where so many stories is like Hi, I'm the guy who's gonna teach you and show you and I'm gonna be your you know I'm gonna show you in bubble and at the end. Guess what? I'm your enemy. So you just spoil the first game for me

Yeah, and the first Batman movie to Sorry, he spoiled the two-year-old game for you. That sucks. I hope you learn how to cope Jack. Oh, thank you Well, no, but the thing about Assassin's Creed. Oh god damn. I can't I don't want to get out here Yeah, don't get out of here. So you say thumbs up definitely definitely check it out. Um, it's it's it's a great Multi or it's a great single player game which you don't get a whole lot of lately So the they updated the zombie outbreak simulator. Did you guys see that? No, no, the one we linked a couple weeks back.

Yeah, I think with the yeah, we linked that one, the old one with just the green dots and the purple squares. Yeah, that's where's now they did it with Google maps to where you can go around like a Google map of a city and see the zombie outbreak taking place. Nice. And you can change the starting factors like how the zombies start with. What you're saying is in the future, zombies will have GPS.

What I'm actually saying is that GPS is going to be everywhere. And that's no, there's no application that where GPS isn't practical. GPS. The GPS company, GPS Incorporated, you come up with that as a slogan, Joel. GPS.

Are you heavily invested in GPS? Joel, it's a secret agenda here. It's true. It's like the knife that I use the stab Everyone in the room. That way you'll know where you are GPS. It's going to be everywhere. It can get you quicker. Hey, you can modify on the new zombie outbreak simulator. You can modify your starting settings. You can have number of civilians. What percentage of those civilians are armed with to jump that up for living in Texas? Civilian accuracy, number of zombies as you start with, which direction the zombies are moving?

Oh, you can set zombie speed, and your three choices are slow. Normal, I would argue that normal is slow. And fast. It's fast. It's very fast. It's very fast. Give me a break. Hey, speaking of zombies, I just read this morning

that there is a new startup that's making a zombie MMO for consoles That sounds incredibly awesome. Yeah, that is an MMO that I will play. Yeah, and it's for consoles too, which makes it even better How does that happen? How does that work though? Like if is it zombies versus survivors and if a zombie kills a survivor Does that person become a zombie? I don't know. It might just be player versus environment. Yeah, I'm still not sure why it's like Grand Theft Auto doesn't just take that Huge asset that huge map and just turn it into like a giant zombie zone Where you have just a couple players jump in there and have it be a giant zombie city How hard would that be? Yeah, I don't know. I don't make Grand Theft Auto. It's hard for me to say how hard that would be I

Know that'd be cool Yeah, I don't know you know. I heard about zombies. They're gonna be everywhere It's almost gonna be this computer's gonna have a zombie in five years Just watch only if you jailbreak it though Hey, did you hear that uh the bowings testing some new like laser defense systems on airplanes? Fuck okay talk about that thing because I got a I saw a thing where they're testing offensive weapons on planes Yeah a couple a couple weeks ago I think we talked about this in the podcast and when you brought it up I showed it to you, but we never talked about it. Oh, okay

Well, you talk about yours first because this came after that this this is like an offshoot of what you have Well, your things sounds like a defense where they're gonna do what they're gonna knock missiles down that are right They put they fill a plane with lasers and then that plane can then shoot down other planes and missiles in midair Wow, with laser and in addition to lasers it also has machine guns Wait, wait wait. You talk about Boeing. Boeing makes commercial airliners. Right. Well, they make some they make some military What they do yeah, these people like the contacts for the story. They're title they're with the Boeing missile defense systems group Okay, so I guess they do other stuff as well, but yeah, they're doing I guess they have lasers and machine guns in these planes and they shoot down everything Fuck yeah, that's awesome. It seems like in the current environment. You'd want lasers and machine guns inside

They are playing not outside, but fucking why I want to be on one of those points. You can't be like, this is the gap. And speaking, we're fit in line for takeoff. Uh, now we're number one. Everybody else dead. It says that this, um, this system they developed used a single high brightness laser beam to shoot down 5 UAVs at various ranges. It's called the laser Avenger. You know, dude, I love the future.

No, that's kind of scary. This thing is really scary. And it will post this in the linked up so you can see the video of it. This is a sniper plane. It is a plane that has a laser that can shoot you on the ground. And even though the plane is traveling

at 500 miles an hour, the computers can change the trajectory of the laser and zap you. Look what it does to this truck. That's fucking crazy, dude. The sound you're hearing is a truck hood being burned It's hitting a square about one foot square a tape square on The hood of a Ford truck and it's just incinerating the metal So imagine that's a person and that's going 500 miles an hour while it's doing it. Yeah, that's not cool from

Unaltitude of like 40,000 feet I'll talk about a assassinations all I can think is when we're playing Call of Duty 7 We're gonna tell you that it's gonna be awesome Fuck dude, that's scary they should put that on boats Right Look at pirates dude. Oh, yeah, it's a good call. Fucking, why don't we, why don't we defend up our boats? So like, people stop getting fucking hijacked. Well, I don't think, I mean, you don't have to specifically say put it on boats.

I mean, I think they should just bundle it with GPS and it'll end up every- I knew it, I was counting down, I was going to five. Your iPhone, or- I hear the iPhone 4GS will have that. Hey, what do you guys, speaking- What do you, this has nothing to do with lasers, but what do you guys want to eat for lunch today? see at Twitter I'm getting burned by laser this sucks here are my coordinates there was a zombie here too oh look on forceware just just checked in at the morgue I want to do like a performance art with forceware I just want to like check into strip clubs and graveyard that's all

I do all day long I'm gonna become the mayor of my toilet. Did you see that a bombproof wallpaper stuff the other day? Yeah I did. I don't know if I I showed that to everyone but someone developed like this single sheet of wallpaper that you can put on walls that makes them explosion proof essentially to where like they can withstand a wrecking ball or like projectiles. Yeah it's like a single sheet of like super thin kevlar. I saw something in tour shit. They show the demonstration. Yeah, listen, you could have a wall, it's,

it's so paper, it has to be fastened to something. If the building falls down, the wall paper is not going to keep the structural integrity of the building. Yeah, but it'll, it'll protect the rest of the building. Like, yeah, maybe that wall will fall. You only think that what happens when you're in the building when it's going to hit by. Yeah, but like, let's say we're on this rest of the building like yeah, maybe that wall will fall You only think that what happens when you're in the building when it's gonna hit by Yeah, but like let's say we're on this side of the building and then there's a bomb out in the street Yeah, maybe the front of the building might crumble

The building you're trying to keep yourself from dying I think is the idea right now And then like in the video they show it like a wrecking ball hitting this wall multiple times And yeah, I agree with Bernie it looks like maybe structural integrity isn't that great afterwards But who gives a it's a hell of a lot better than not having it It saves you from a blast. Yeah, see I'm not buying it because it's like if without the wall It's like that wallpaper there. They're showing this wrecking ball hitting the center block wall and this wallpaper is keeping this thing up But the wallpaper is fastened to something at the top and bottom of that wall. No, that's just that's just where they're securing the wall. Right. Exactly. That's what I'm saying.

So without that stuff at the top and the bottom, the whole thing is just gonna fall down. No, it's not fat. It's the stuff that you see at the top and the bottom is what's holding the wall there. The wall is like adhesive and sticking to the wall. That's the point I'm making is that if the building starts to fall down from the strength of this bomb, the wall paper is not going to keep the whole building up. No, we're saying this wall paper is saving the building from destruction. It's just keeping shit from flying at you so you can hop out a window or so that not everyone in the building dies. Right. Maybe the people standing by that wall, maybe the building collapses on them, but the people standing a few feet away, they're still okay.

Yeah, they're in a different building. They go, why did that wall just crumple? I gotta get the fuck out of here. Yeah. All right, well, you don't ever have to use it. Or imagine if it was in a car, you know, for security reasons, you can make secure cars that are a lot lighter.

I like that he believes that a plane flying 500 miles an hour can fucking Shoot with pinpoint accuracy on the top of a car But he has trouble with with bombproof wallpaper. I just want to see the laser plane shoot the wallpaper That's a great experiment. Let's do that. There you go. It's a wallpaper at GPS. I can find it more easily GPS they're everywhere P.S. I can find it more easily. GPS. They're everywhere. I think I'm going to bury this too. I'll keep hearing it.

At least we found something to replace the gay jokes. The other day, actually yesterday, I don't even think the old jokes like the doorbell rang and Brandon didn't go down and get it. I thought that was really weird. I was like, don't worry, Brandon. Stay seated. I got it. I just take a load off and I went down and get it. I thought that was really weird. I was like don't wait Brandon. Stay seated. I got it To take a load off and I went down and answered and got the UPS and last night I realized that the reason he didn't go down the stairs and answer the door is that he had fucking surgery on his leg on Friday Yeah, it needs surgery. Yeah, I didn't I didn't realize it It was pretty funny when you found that too because you were so compassionate at about 515 yesterday afternoon

You looked at Brandon and said what the fuck is wrong with you? I love the idea that Gus gets to crack jokes about having to answer the door too. It's like oh don't get up brain It's like how about you don't get up Gus. You have an answer the door and a year and a half Oh, you haven't answered the door the whole time we've been here. I work in the back room Whatever I mean Gus is the guy who after a vacation takes a personal day to work shit I still have to answer the back door you sit closer to that Gus what is that? Why would you take a week long personal vacation?

Do you need a day off from work after a vacation? I've never taken a day off after a vacation. Name one time. I don't want to. Name one time. I'm with Gus on this. Name one time. Usually after a guest, I'm asking for one instance.

Name one time. Any time. I would say it's enough to wear to trend. I've never taken a vacation than an extra personal day I've gone on work trips like comic con and then take a personal day afterwards and then you have a day where you have to work stuff out Yeah, that I'll admit to because that's a work trip, but after a vacation that's bullshit. I've never done that I can say like the time you went to Miami you did that I never went to my island to Miami I can see you getting mad and I don't want you getting mad at me because I've never done this

Jeff do you want to back me up on this I listen name one time I can't let's go I'm totally with you because it's like we'll work a week And it's like okay, we have to travel and we believe on Thursday Okay, so we jump on the plane with the other day and then we travel throughout the entire weekend You know and we're working the whole weekend and it's like what how can we not back on Monday? It's Monday. Let me clarify some. When you work with your friends, this is the one detraction.

It doesn't matter what you actually do or don't do. It just matters what everyone else is opinion of what you do or don't do is. It's all perception. I don't know how many times I've put up with you guys thinking, this is what Bernie does and this is Bernie's thing. Oh, and I have to put it with that. I mean, put it with that for 13 fucking years. That was his Gus voice.

By the way, I don't know. I have no idea what you're talking about right now. You totally lost me. This is my impression of Gus tweeting this. Hey, Twitter. I'm just see what stuff in the office. I just I can sense a lot of hurt feelings coming on. And I don't think we should go that right.

Well, his his his free days have been exposed now. And now he's embarrassed by it. Now, are you still can't name one time? I love that's all I'm asking for name one time that happened the last time you took a vacation When was the last time I took a vacation? I don't know. I don't know I really don't know when was the last time I took a vacation Was the first week of September I took the week off and then I came back on Monday? Where'd you go? I didn't go anywhere. I said in town. How was that? It was all right. I'd like to do that. I'd like to take an in town vacation.

You're probably getting the example when you took a week off to buy your house, which I think I can come up with about 45 personal days instead of come up since purchasing that house. God. That's a different story. But I don't take the whole day off. I'll run to the house and deal with some bullshit

from back. You should use that wallpaper on your house. I should use that wallpaper and bring this face when I hit it with a wrecking. In Gus's defense, too, apparently anytime his in-laws have to leave the house, it requires Gus to help them. Gus's defense, apparently, every time he goes on a commercial shoot or anywhere for work, it's considered a vacation and it's never realized it.

You know the FAA levied its first fine against an airline for keeping people on a tarmac for six hours. Well, that shit's out of control, dude What are you? No, it's fun because what airline was it? It was continental and they had to sit on the tarmac This happened in August they had to sit on tarmac for six hours and The FAA find a levy of a hundred thousand dollars and gets what the hundred thousand dollars goes The FAA not to the people who were sitting in the plane of course not Where did it go if they keep me sitting on a plane for six hours? I don't really want any money I just want to know that somebody's gonna lose money at that point. I get I agree with that

Like I'm okay with jail time. I agree with that too, but I mean if a fucker goes to jail for robin You what what's it come to your house and work at your house? What is it? What's a hundred thousand dollars to come in a line? What's a hundred thousand dollars? It's nothing. I don't know. I guess it's a start. That's like 1% of the value at Twitter. What I heard. Was that a pause because everybody's checking my math or something? I pulled that out of my ass. I'm not sure it's actually 1%. I don't think it is is I think it's a 10th or a hundredth of a percent. I just I was hanging on jewels every word I was waiting to see what was next interesting stuff. I mean there's if you ever been stuck on a tarmac

What's the longest you've ever been stuck on a tarmac? Gus. I think I was one stuck for four hours in Kansas City. By the way, that counted as a vacation day for you No, that's the personal day day for you. That's the personal day. That's the personal day. I'm so mad. I'm so mad. I agree with you. I totally agree with you. I remember in August, I worked like three weeks straight because there was not a single day off. I was like, why is there no time on? Three weeks in summer. Well, you need a day. You asked me a question and I gave you a specific example. How long were you in a, you

wait on a tarmac four hours? I asked you and you're like all the time the last one The last trip that's the last time I was in the tarmac It's called logic it's called the example guys. This is what surprised you I have no idea when you've taken vacation. Apparently you do because I always take personal Yeah, Jeva's was taking the phones out. I out answer answer the phone in your current state go ahead what on another thing that always happens with vacation days around here since I'm throwing people under the bus let's bring Jeff in Jeff's favorite thing to do his walk on the office and tell you how long it's been since his last vacation

I do that I do that too I don't do that too and it's been a god damn long time and all you ever tell people when they tell me that, they go, man, I haven't taken a vacation for a year and a half. It's like, well, what about the time you went to Miami two weeks ago? Uh, not, I mean, before that, it's been three years ago. I am now, no, I have to stop. I agree that that happens, but I'm not the one that does it. And the response to that is always, take a fucking vacation. Nobody gives a shit. Use your vacation days.

Apparently Bernie gives a shit, he's counting them. Every time Gus takes one. No, I just do have these kind of fucking- I don't want to get on science here. I don't want to there's hurt feeling This fucking podcast is going down Fuck it take a vacation. Why not? No, apparently you apparently you don't take vacations and you take vacations anyway Just include just include your personal day like when you get back on a Friday And then you have saturday and sunday and you need to take off Monday to take care of stuff just include that as part of your vacation. I

haven't had anyone does that. Glass Christmas. Take a vacation then. You're leaving tomorrow. You're doing the thing everybody's complaining about I'm not complaining about we should do it more we should complain more. Here's the bottom line when you walk around talking about oh I haven't taken a vacation wherever and we make that sound, too, we go, uh. Whoa. I can't make the sound that people make when they make it. It's like real life Twitter. Wait, wait, wait.

What's the link? The bottom line is, no one else cares. I mean, I'm not talking about you guys. I'm talking about if you work in a corporate environment, no one else is paying attention to the fact that you're not taking vacation. I agree with that. The bottom line is, just take your vacation.

And we pay attention when you take the vacation. Right. I don't know about that. I think you pay attention. You have a notebook. I find the personal day. You make stuff up. I find the personal day after vacation to be funny.

I find that funny. I find it funny because it doesn't exist. That's the funniest part. Jeff, speaking of vacation, I think after this podcast, we should all take the rest of the day as a vacation. Okay, let's remove Gus. It's gonna be a long one.

Let's remove Gus from the equation. Just Gus, okay. Just Gus. Does the personal day after vacation exist? It's a pet, what do you mean? Does it exist? The phenomenon that's on the table where people take a personal day, remove Gus.

No, I'm not saying anything. Yes, No, I'm removed. I'm not singing. Yes, it exists Yes, so I'm not crazy in my head it exists. Okay. My perception is that it exists And it could be you too. You could it could be me. It's probably it could be me I think it's Brandon, but it could be me Well, Brandon's personal days are apparently to get surgery who the hell knew? Do we get a personal day after this podcast Gus? I just you to go have fun I'm sorry I brought it up I mean that yeah I go fuck yourself I'm a broom handle up your asshole I mean this isn't a New York State prison come on once again but why do we say asshole

I don't know just say ask guys kick your ass you know if it started to have a broomstick cut your ass we don't need to go all the way to asshole maybe we do I'm gonna fuck your duodenum all right I'm out I'm done I'm sorry I brought it up I hope everyone takes a very long vacation what a great way to kick off Thanksgiving huh including your personal base hey are you making jalapeno turkey this year, Bernie? Okay, that was a big debate that my wife was talking to me about. I don't have the stuff to make that anymore because my jalapeno turkey that I make

was a deep fried turkey. Yeah. Where I would fry it in like five gallon... Oh, you know what some of the best internet videos are the people trying to deep fry turkey. Oh yeah, and watching the fires. But it's worth the risk because when they pull it off. It's like I it's pretty scary I never have one burnies Hallopaint deep fried Hallopaint no turkey is honestly the best one of the best things

Okay, because you said that now I will go out and buy the stuff and make it You know, I want to push it out, but it's like it sounds I don't want to blame when you knock it over on your leg and fucking Browse it does scare me it is scary, but they're fuck have you ever had them? It sounds like the greatest thing I've ever heard Dude, it's like so juicy and crispy ride jalapeno turkey. It's not what you think though It's not like it doesn't seem like a fried Chicken it's not like a huge fried chicken. It's not like I'm telling battered. Yeah, there's a reason I've spent like six Thanks, giddings at your house that reason is the turkey all right

I'll do it. I'll do it. But look if I'm gonna do this. I'm gonna need a personal Are you going to Bernie's for Thanksgiving? I am now What are you doing Thanksgiving? Hosting hosting my in-laws. Oh shit, which ones? The only in-laws I have okay not your secret ask him a family You've been playing too much fable to I will bring you know I actually used to bring when we worked the other company. I was president of that company I would bring thanks giving dinners to both those call centers for the guys who had to work on things giving

Do you think they still do that? No, probably not. I hope they do. They probably buy like a Loubys turkey or something. We would load that place up with tons of food. You know where you can buy a turkey from. I bet it's pretty good. It's Hoover's.

They sell Thanksgiving turkeys. Pre-made. You should look into that because you're addicted to that place. They also sell pies. Have you seen like when they sell pies, I think giving it hovers. They're so popular. They don't sell them at hovers. we sell them at the parking lot across the screen is that really yeah Hovers by the way is a local Austin restaurant the people it's really polarizing people love it or hate it people hate it We hated it first. I know a lot of people

We hated it because we hated the guy who introduced us to it. I had a bad first experience there I had a bad first experience too, but I've been two or three times since with Gus and it's been great every time Although one time I ate there and I thought I was gonna die of Sickness and just of like grease and bad for you food. It's really like what do they call that? It's comfort food. Yeah It's like it's heavy. You know, we went down to Buda because we're while we're looking at buildings one of the buildings Drew is down to Buda and we got to eat at Garcias. Oh, you mean Garcias? Did you get Nortanians or chicken fried chicken? Garcias is the one restaurant that was across the street from our office in BYUTA.

There was Garcias and then there was this place called Tumamas, which was two ladies who ran our restaurant together. It's now closed, but the best part about that place was you couldn't order anything. You just walked in and whatever they were serving that day, that's what you ate. Yeah, basically. But we went to Garcia's mat and I did and we had our Garcia's chicken, which is awesome. But Garcia's chicken fried chicken topped with queso has got to be one of the best things. It's awesome. That's interesting because we're there at that and the Nurtain is both awesome.

Dude, the Nurtain is, it's simultaneously the best and the worst thing you can do to yourself. The weird thing is sometimes it's not spicy. Like sometimes you'll eat the whole plate and like, okay, none of that was spicy and the next next plate you get every single bite is death. These are fajitas that are essentially made with, I think three or four fresh jalapenos cut up and just mixed in there. Talk about assholes too. Jesus Christ. Seriously dude, you should fire for like six hours after that. You know I have never had that phenomenon that you talk about. Oh my God. Never had that. Wow. You can feel happening as you eat. You haven't lived. Like it's traveling.

I love you. It's kind of superhero. Very very very specific superpowers. But yeah, so it's just like a jalapeno. We make those whenever we have barbecues Yeah, we use Jeff's recipe, which I have completely now absorbed where it's just a fresh jalapeno With cheese in it and then wrapped in bacon. Yep, and you eat that like a little jalapeno really hit a mess I mean like you just don't know spice wise You'll spice wise Joe literally had to go to the bathroom and cry at my house We also read it just watched it. It was the funniest. And everyone was like, no, no, it's fine. It's fine.

See? And then they take a bite out of it. And you can clearly just see the paint. You were twitching. It was bad. It was bad. That was funny. It is.

The jalapeno is like the Russian roulette of the pepper world. It sure is. Because sometimes you will just get super mild ones. And the hottest pepper I have ever eaten in my entire life was a jalapeno. And there's no rhyme or reason it doesn't it doesn't correlate the size or color or anything it's just totally hit a miss but everyone has theories as to why it is like you'll see this dent what is it that means it's a female

jalapeno that's not there a correlation with the seeds the jalapeno I don't think it's actually the membrane membrane membrane. That's what they say, but who knows man, but I one time on a hunting trip I Bit into a jalapeno we had hatch peppers and jalapenos and we were just eating them and I was in one guy I was like whoa when he was you know holding his nose and he was crying and I was like what's wrong? Because he was from Arkansas. I said you can't take a hot pepper. He goes that he pointed, it was laying on the table, it goes that is a hot pepper. I go, how hot can he go?

It's, take a bite, you don't think it's hot. I could not breathe. I really for a minute, I thought it was gonna die. It's a couldn't breathe. And I just took one little bite out of it and it was just, it was death. Was it raw, just fresh pepper?

It was raw, just like, wow. Like out of the produce bag, you know, from H.E.B. or from the grocery store it's just pick it up bite and then just hold your hold your face and hope you don't die it's like light on fire it's like the first time I ate the man up in Seattle another great out of context I thought I thought I was good I thought I was close to having people take me to the hospital it was like oh my god that's terrible you're gonna have to explain with the man people take me to the hospital. It was like, oh my god. That's terrible.

You're gonna have to explain with the man. That made me the man is a I guess there's this barbecue place in Kirkland called Dixie's Barbecue And you can go there and they have a special hot sauce that they call the man and The owner will walk around with a little saucepan filled with the man He'll ask all the patrons. Have you met the man? Have you met the man? Huh, and if you haven't met the man, he'll get a toothpick and dip like a tiny little droplet. Like, I don't even want to say a drop. A drop is too much. He'll dip like a droplet, like a tenth of a drop on the tip of the toothpick and say, here, try it. And it's the hottest thing you've ever eaten in your life. It's no joke. That toothpick can ruin your entire day.

I'm surprised the toothpicks don't catch fire. Yeah. Yeah, like in the cartoon where they stir the potion with the metal spoon and it comes out It's all burned. Yeah, that's what you expect that toothpick to look like and that and that the the man is like Like no light escapes it. It's like a black hole. It's so dark I've never seen like a black hot sauce like that before and it's just like a mass of seeds and it's kind of thick and Weird looking yep, and it's in little, he's got one saucepan that he carries around and serves this. You can't actually order it at the counter.

You just order your food and maybe this guy will walk around with the saucepan asking if you want to try it. And then there's all these newspaper articles on the wall and all the people who died. Well, they're all yellow with age. They're all like these old reviews of the restaurant because it's in an old gas station.

And some of these articles look like they're from 1965 because they're so old but the dude and the pan are in the photos and they look exactly the same it's like stuck out of the shining it's like he hasn't aged he's got this pan he walks around you know how to meet the man and ironically the the the man looks like it was drained out of like a 1965 view and put into a pond And then if you ask the guy, you know, have you ever tried the man? He goes, no, I'm not stupid. Yeah, it's brutal. It's probably the most brutal thing I've ever eaten. Yeah, it's really rough And we try to eat it every time we go. Yeah, I don't get it I mean, why don't we just walk sort of restaurant and we'll just have a guy walk around with like a bucket of thumbtacks

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point. Oh yeah, I know. There's no joy in that place. The man sucked it all out. I'm with Joel though. I hate that philosophy. Yeah, the meaning of that. But it's like it works. No, there was a place in Austin that had that and when they went out of business I was so happy. Well place was a GM stay-couse and I like GM stay-couse I just hated that philosophy of mean service You know that guy the ran GM stay-couse was always really nice to me He would like he liked my ex-wife and he would like the only personal world to like their But he would come in and he would come up and give her a hug and like go down and put it

He was like super super nice. We give her a hug and go down. I was just gonna like sit us down and give her a hug and they're like what do you guys want today? Did I hear that word early? No that's what you said. I don't know. Like I've heard that about that guy before too but I had such a different experience. Yeah I never had a problem there.

I probably only ate there two or three times ever but. It was the location on the drag which would probably predate you guys. Oh, I'm sorry. I'm talking about the one at six in Lamar. The original one. Yeah. Yeah. The little one works like that little metal and glass door and it's it's you know, it's a space that can only be made for diner because it's so long and thin. And they just have a counter on one side. That's when you're talking about. Yeah. Yeah. Have you been to the new place there? The, uh, no. I can't think of what it's called. Countercafe. I haven new place there the no I can't think of what it's called counter cafe I haven't been there. It's pretty good. I haven't been this since Rito's closed. I never got to go there

We're talking about food places and nobody cares about That was a weird thing I should I'm just gonna miss it real fast That was like gnm steakhouse during the day then they closed like at 8 p.m. Or whatever that it from 10 p.m. To 4 a.m It was a different restaurant called Rito's that served like little hamburgers There was a period in there as well where it was a faux restaurant. Yeah, then I think after Rito's got kicked out then it was a faux restaurant. It was really bizarre. Yeah.

The uh... I feel like I feel obligated now to come up with something to talk to Gus about so that we can... I can mend fences before he starts to add the podcasts. Just so you know... I'm taking this, you know, the rest of the week off for Thanksgiving, then I'm taking Monday off too, because that's my extra personal day after.

You know what, that sounds fine to me, guys. That's so acceptable. Guys, I was thinking about you the other day because they just had the fourth anniversary, four, the Xbox 360, just hit its fourth anniversary. Oh yeah. Which was really the fourth anniversary of zero hour the fourth anniversary of my hoodie Yeah, you have your hoodie here perfect. It's seen better days. It's this I think this is the last winner

It's gonna let me see it It's they gave away these hoodies at zero hour, which was the launch event for the 360 These are probably the best constructed garments. I have ever seen in my entire life It's great except right here like at the the neck, starting to unravel a little. Let's put four years in. It's been four years and by the way, you wear that thing all the time. I've worn that thing every winter for four years. Not all the time.

I can't come up with specific examples, but I've seen you wear it in the past. I'm wearing it right now. Jeff came back me up on that. I like you both. How dare you, sir. But I wear mine all the time too. I'm not sure you began zipperless hoodies,

which is what it is, but I Just can't believe how good a garment that thing is. No, it's awesome. It's how last it every 360 Yeah, I was gonna make a joke. I never read read read read rings on those you know really in thinking about The zero hour event which they held in the Mojave desert About a day before the 360 launch it was like the evening before right? Yeah, it's November 21st or 22nd I got my first achievement there by the way because they gave us memory cards and then we were able to get our gamer tags transferred to 360 gamer tags

there at the event and we were supposed to get a special gamer picture That showed us that we read zero hour and nobody got that well I think some people did just you and I didn't look we went through the process we went to it neither I didn't try though. I was like I didn't bother to use my gamertag I was like I didn't see the point yeah you and I went through the lines we wanted the memory unit yeah that's how they did it and we went through the line went through the computers and did all that stuff and didn't get it yeah that sucks and to this day it still shows the first Xbox 360 game I replayed was quake

for well I know the first one I ever got a cheap in hundred was perfect dark zero and I got a headshot one like 10 head shots Oh, that's right. You do have that a cheat. Did you get it at zero? I was at zero hour I always wondered when it was you set down and played that and remember that thing blipped up on the screen and I said the hell is that That's not going anywhere I didn't get a single achievement the whole time we were there really I think I played that and did our live tour three or four. Yeah, I don't even remember what I played. Yeah, we played Quake 4.

I don't think we were playing Madden. I played Madden, I think. Yeah, all I remember is that the entire, it was in a Air Force base, right? Yeah. And it was definitely in a big airplane hangar. And they had filled this thing with green lights and so the whole everything in there was a shade of green and It was weird at first, but it was much weirder for the several hours after we left that event when we couldn't see other colors on the spectrum I mean really all you saw were shades of black and green

I was literally afraid that it ruined my vision. Yeah, that was it's talk with us You know the thing I remember about that is that we stayed at the hotel in town It was the last time in my life I think I've been in a in a town that was so small it only had one hotel. Yeah, I'm notell. Yeah Four of us it was me no, I mean like total. Oh couple thousand. No just four Smalls and Kathleen as it was a it was contest winners and things like that and I remember you remember it's hardware launch so the hardware was very hard to get hold of part of the event was best by had an entire line of cash

registers where everyone at the event could then buy there's no it wasn't even a pre-order yet you had to appear that was the big controversy everyone thought they'd be able to buy it there But then they couldn't oh really that yeah, that's horrible in that situation Remember folds right there where it's like here look see see see see there was also that weird thing at the event where people started stealing Bean bags the you know they were free. Oh, yeah, they don't his white bean bags everywhere. Yeah, and people assume they were free It was a big day. I. They ended up giving them away. They think they ended up letting people take them. Yeah, that was a fun event.

And I still have my 360 launch hoodie. I have that and I have my Halo 3 launch party t-shirt. And I have an extra one in medium. I should give that away on the site. Yeah, you should do a little contest, do a podcast contest. I still have that memory card we got when they transferred our, our Xbox live accounts from I still have to like Xbox 360 memory card. I just you're just making me mad again that I don't have that

gamer pick. I don't know why I don't know why I care about that but yeah my zero hour attendance I've never seen those online have you ever seen anyone? No. I frankly it was such a small group of people. Frankie has one and I you know yeah but even when I look on like you know like leaderboards and stuff like that I would expect to see that zero hour thing showing up more places. Yeah, I don't know and it does it does go to show That initially they were gonna start doing more stuff like they're doing now with avatar awards They did have those plans early on that you could get special gamer picks that other people couldn't get As I speak in avatar awards. I feel like they're finally of like Hit you know, I don't know if you've noticed it

But I've been getting them pretty regularly now. Yeah, I got a bunch in Leftford ed talking about avatar awards reminding me I read this article on statesman yesterday And I meant to talk to you all about it statesman's the local newspaper I guess someone at UT's doing a study on video games and video game avatars and They took people in and then you know had them play games and then assign them avatars randomly. They were either given like avatars wearing all black clothing or all white clothing and then they were given other avatars that were in costumes like either like a generic costume with no meaning attached to it or they would dress them as

KKK members and they said that every time someone was wearing either black or the KKK outfit that they were always assholes That their avatar choice clearly influenced how they behaved in online games. They were given the avatar They were given the avatar interesting and that the people who were given like all black clothing or you know A charged outfit like a KKK outfit. They went out and were like instigators of trouble. It immediately became racist Interesting that is interesting. Hey before we go They went out and were like instigators of trouble. Immediately became racist. Interesting. That is interesting. Hey, before we go, I'd like to ask the three of you

and then also anybody that's listening a question. I've been playing Fable 2 regularly with my wife and we're getting pretty close to wrapping it up. We basically just have to do see the future and then it's done. And I want to play something with her next that has multiplayer that's similar to Fable 2. Do you have any recommendations? Or me too?

No, she, it's gotta be fantasy, I think. It's gotta be like, have some sort of, because she likes wow, she likes Fable 2. I was thinking, I've never played Kingdom of Kefling's, but I hear that that's, uh, might be fun. Is that a strategy game or is that an adventure game? It's like an adventure game. Is it like, uh, does it have to be, you know, 360 based? Yeah, it has to be 360. Why don't you guys play cameo together since we're talking about launch titles Yeah, yeah, we can try that she might like cameo. Let's get co-op and I don't like cameo, but she might like it cameo is a good game

Is it I admit I didn't get enough of a chance I recently read something where they named the top 10 games by platform top 10 games on the PS3 Top 10 games on the Xbox 360 they put cameo in the top 10 I wouldn't do that, but it's a good game Top 10 games on the Xbox 360 they put cameo in the top 10 I wouldn't do that, but it's a good game Yeah, I'm sorry. I remember enjoying it at lunch. You guys have already played Viva and Pinyana together, right? Yeah, and I was thinking she would like fall out because the story is so good And I think she would appreciate that's because that's like her speed for combat, but uh, there's no multiple Oh, I know what to do borderlands. Yeah, we're kind of playing borderlands. We played it for about an hour Maybe maybe I'll give that oh, it's a fantasy, right? No, it kind of it kind of it'slands. We played it for about an hour. Maybe we'll give that all the fantasy, right?

No, it kind of it kind of it's not like it's like sci-fi. She like sci-fi the way follows. Yeah, same kind of thing, but There really isn't like another fable-to-style action RPG like Like a fantasy style game. You could play St. Row together. Yeah, I think that you have two Xboxes in your house It's true. You get all your co-ops stuff together too. It's true I think the borderlands and like left for debris have like four people co-oping I think that needs to be incorporated in like every game. You know, she might like left for dead She she enjoyed playing it. Maybe she would know what for them though not every Game has the popularity to support four player co-op and I think a lot of games are falling into the trap Yeah, I mean you're you just start off talking about left for the two

It's a very popular title It's very new title and you're having trouble getting together people to play it. Yeah. I mean even if people are playing it we've learned recently from the records that have been broken at online people not everyone's on at the same time. Right. Well here's the other thing is just going into like a quick match. That's fine. I'm fine with that. Yeah same here. Okay. There's two people on my list that I always see playing that I can jump in with, but normally if they're not on, I just go into a quick match. Who are those two people?

I don't want to give their game or tags. But big news, I forgot to mention earlier in the podcast, World of Warcraft turned five this week. Yeah, I did. So Xbox Live, Xbox 360. It's four. It feels. So what?

Five years. Also, I didn't realize this, but the warcraft series turned 15 years old I asked the same question jolt is that's a question. I does the same question I asked when I read that headline. What was your question, Joel? World of Warcraft is older than the 360. Yep, by a year. That's what I asked I asked I can't believe that World of Warcraft is only five years old That seems to me like a seven year old, eight year old game. Pay is point.

When did you start playing? Wow. It launched in November of 04, I started playing January 05. OK, so pretty soon. How much has it changed since the first? The first 10 times, right? Yeah, it's unrecognizable. You know, I have unintentionally built up

a weird kind of collection of video game memorabilia. Without really trying to do it, I'm not a big collect, I don't like collecting. I think it's one of the lamest hobbies you can possibly have, but I've got that World of Warcraft launch collector's edition that's signed by the entire original development team. Uh, uh, weird, I didn't know you had gotten that back. Oh, you mean for my brother? Yeah. Yeah, I told him he was going to try to sell it for money and I said don't do that. Just give it back to me and I'll figure out some for it. That's cool So what are you gonna do with it? I don't have it back yet. So we'll see I Don't know. I mean, it just seems like it was also the very first item

Ever auction at a child's play dinner. That's pretty cool because it was one of the things where it was the first year a child's play They just started the auction and I remember the reason I bid on it is because it was this low kind of Like everyone's kind of sitting waiting for everyone else to bid So I just started bidding on it just to kind of get the ball rolling sure Maybe you should give it back to house place so they can auction it again and use them. I need to benefit your brother Yeah, maybe so but the I wonder there would be value giving it back to them and seeing maybe they can re auction do you think anyone's interested in a Launch edition of World of Warcraft. I think there might be a few people interested in that. I think I know

somebody in this room. What I'm saying is do you think video game memorabilia is big? I mean, you're a huge wild player. What would you pay for that? For that? I mean, I wouldn't, but I could see people paying, you know, it's signed by the all the launch development team. I could see like going for four or five grand. And it has a vanity pet. And it has a vanity pet. And here's the thing. You know, I mean, that thing how how can it not be worth a lot more money down the line from here? I don't think video games hold up the way you think we not yet. We had this conversation a while back, Bernie and I did and I think we both came to the conclusion that there's no right now. Right now. Right now. No, even then, like, there was a time back when PlayStation came out. Yeah. To give you an example, when to get a copy of Chrono Trigger, you would have to pay 80 or 90 dollars. And then they just really sent on the PlayStation and then you could get them for like,

I'm talking about unique, I'm talking about unique items. Right here, look at this. This is World of Warcraft, collector's edition, factory seal box. Not even signed. It's got five bits on eBay. It's already $1,025 with 9.5 hours to go. Well, the one that I bought at Charlottesville, I had a three-year subscription, which my brother used, and he also used the pet.

So he used the pet? Of course he did. You know, I gave it to him as a gift. So I got the thing for $300 at the time. The actual subscription card that came in it, which was good for three years, was worth more than the value than what I paid for at the time. So you get the deal of the actual subscription card that came in it, which was good for three years, was less or was worth more than the value than what I paid for at the time. Yeah, you get the deal of the century. Yeah, that was pretty cool.

It's weird because nobody was just, you know, nobody was bidding. And then later in the evening, somebody bid $40,000 on nothing. Remember that? I do. That kind of got crazy at the child's playoff. Yeah. 40,000. Well, Joe, let me give you an example of what you're saying. You're saying that you can't believe stuff isn't worth more. No, no, no. Here's something I'm just saying you an example of what you're saying. You're saying that you can't believe stuff isn't worth more No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no I want to play all the old Atari 2600 games. I play this kid. Here's a working Atari 2600 system with 42 games and all original accessories. But is it signed by anyone?

No, it's not signed by anybody. OK, how much do you think it's? How much would you pay for that? Well, just guess. The way the system and 42 games, the system and the way you're painting it right now, makes me want to lowball it. Yeah, it's a good idea. You should. $100. $70. So me want to lowball it. Yeah, it's a good idea. You should. A hundred bucks.

70 bucks. So even your lowball, it's like, here's why I don't think it'll have a long lasting collectibility. Uh-huh. Okay. The thing that like you wanted to go buy it like, say you're into like guitars and you go buy an autographed Chuck Berry guitar, all right, and you'll pay five or ten thousand dollars for that, right?

For two reasons. One, everybody knows who Chuck Berry is, right? Because he was famous. And two two you could still physically play the guitar 20 years from now you're not gonna be able to play that copy of World of Warcraft It no matter how collectible it is because the technology will have so far surpassed it that there's no way to Access the entertainment within there even if wow still exists and then two nobody in the world is gonna give a shit who the developers of wow We're in ten years it's said it's said fact. It's a sad fact. But I mean, I bet nobody in this room can name one of those developers right now.

And I don't think that's fair, but that's just the way it is. There's no star power there. That's my deal. You're you. You probably are probably right. What do you get? What do you get? It has a collectibility on the original.

What do you get? One of the original Macs signed by Steve Jobs. That's different because you know who Steve Jobs is. Yes. Yes. It's back in the day back in the day. Did anyone know who Steve Jobs is. Yes, it's back in the day. Back in the day, did anyone know who Steve Jobs was? Like, let's say before Steve Jobs.

Yeah, well, that's possible if that like some developer and Wow becomes a billionaire and you know, develops some huge product. Yeah, start leading Blizzard and makes them, you know, turns them from losing what he's saying. I don't think there's a long term inherent collectibility in software. Who do you think is the most famous person in all of video game development? Richard Garriott.

I'm thinking more like Cliffy B. Let's say I got the Japanese guys. Because that's a different kind of like Miyamoto and those guys. So just American video game developers. Most famous or most like most known name? Probably at the today, Cliffy B, I would think. Because I'm saying this is weird too. I have stuff signed by Richard Garriott.

I have like the ultimate fourth, the fourth one off the production line signed by Richard Garriott. I got another auction. Unintentionally, I got that. I have a floppy disc copy of Alka Beth, which is, I think, one of only seven in the world. Yeah. I think that's very collectible now.

I don't know that in 10 years it will be. I wonder if you said Richard Gariot because you know because you were at that event with him. Uh, well, I just know he's a recognizable name. I probably could've said American McGee, or I mean, there's a bunch of people out there. I wouldn't put him up there. I put like Cliffey B and maybe like, uh,

John Carmack. You could put up there. But the thing isey B and maybe like John Carmack you could put up there But the thing is like Richard Garriott is a guy who who was very influential to gaming I mean you spent your entire childhood playing his games, right? Yep, and he was a big deal and he's a really big deal to you But I would wage that because he doesn't make relevant games anymore and his last game was kind of a failure that there are like I don't know if you named if you asked pulled 50% of the Xbox 360 users They would have no idea who he was. I bet most of you who when you said his name here most people would have to look him up

Yeah, and like his his his fame isn't gonna exist You know because techno because games come out so quickly and the technology changes so much I don't think that a lot of those people have any kind of staying power and and maybe Richard Garriott's Collectibility collectibles are worth four or five grand right now, but I think those will actually deteriorate in time. It's so funny, you know, because it's like you think about professional sports or the things where you have stars in the set and the other thing, man, video games is the one medium where it is just about the game. It is.

And not even that it's just, it's the product itself. Temporary, like you can, for the next 50 years you'll be able to go back and watch Michael Jordan clips and go, those are amazing, right? Right, there's no product itself. Temporary, you can, for the next 50 years, you'll be able to go back and watch Michael Jordan clips and go, those are amazing, right? Right, there's no, right. You can't go back. Nobody really wants to go back and play those old games. Or like, I'm not going to go back. No one holds up.

Yeah, like, they don't hold the gloves. The guy that was on 60 minutes, fatality. Oh, yeah. That guy, he's supposed to be a big star, wins lots of events, you know, does all the stuff, you know. And also, it's a medium where every three years you replace whatever it is with a new version of it, and then the old one becomes an earthquake. What's your point of the fact out there when you're finished that thought?

He's not that important. No. He's just not that important. But that's the other thing. That's the other thing. Like, the way technology is right now and the way it's evolving evolving so so quickly. Are we going to get to a point where it's sort of plateaus enough where it's like we have enough processing power or whatever where it will just stop evolving. So we're hit a point where it's almost enough.

You mean like a microwave almost like it's like we get to like fill anything, you know, where it's like, okay, here we are. This is gonna kind of be it for the next I don't know. Maybe maybe not. I mean, we really don't know the early film guys. Nobody talks about them I mean we when you think about the earliest person you know who working film you get down to like Charlie Chaplin Like Valentino. I mean there was people a lot of people before that were that were working the early days that when you see it You hear the same thing you hear about old games now, you look at it and somebody tells you how important this thing was and you're like, yeah, okay, it's a, you know.

It's a guy running. Yeah, it's a guy running, yeah, they shot a cannon at the moon, okay. It looks pretty good, yeah, like what have a time? This was crazy, you know. You don't even have to go that far back. You could go to like, go back to Hitchcock and like, go back and watch Psycho.

It's not that great of a movie. Citizen Kane, Citizen Kane. Well, I think Citizen Kane holds up pretty well back and watch Psycho. It's not that great of a movie. Citizen Kane. Citizen Kane. Well, I think Citizen Kane holds up pretty well, but like Psycho was so terrifying. I watched this documentary on Hitchcock. Women were fleeing the theater 45 minutes in, flying because they couldn't stand what they were seeing on screen.

And it's so like Vanilla now to watch it. And it's actually kind of like there's not a scary moment in Psycho. Right. There's not a suspenseful moment, but at the time, when it hit hit it was terrifying And yeah, it killed what's her face? Oh, Hitchcock sign poster of psycho would sell extremely well probably It would definitely be worth more than the poster was when it originally sold. It's a Atari 2600

That's probably $1,500 worth of equipment bought in 1978 dollars or whatever you know 1982 now it's worth 70 bucks Yeah, I guess the thing that I'm thinking is that if it doesn't stop if technology just keeps rapidly evolving like this It seems like there's no time for to get a hook, you know where people understand, you know, I don't know I think puts which thereby puts value on things sure But if you're in Japan and you had a Miyamoto signed copy of you know the original Mario brothers What would that be worth probably a lot of money? Probably who's the dude who makes metal gear that everybody loves so much? Well, here's another thing like the Mario thing has been a franchise forever

You know you understand Mario back then that is associated with one person even though it's clearly that guy's not making all the games A lot of things have got to happen a lot of stores have got a line up. Yeah,. A lot of things have got to happen. A lot of stores have got to line up. Yeah. A lot of stores have got to line up. Well, Joel, you don't follow this stuff quite as closely as you. Who is the most famous person you can name from your community development? That's the thing. I would have to... Most of the people, all the people you mentioned, I don't know.

Gary, I know, but I probably knew just because of conversations right here. But I would want to say the two guys that make the two the two guys that started Grand Theft Auto, but I don't even know their names, you know, the guys that just left. No, I don't know their own company to answer your question A year and a half ago, a memoto signed Super Famicom went on eBay for about 1,500 bucks The Super Famicom is the predecessor to the NES. Well, the Super Famicom is the Japanese equivalent of the Super NES. Yeah, okay I still think when I said was correct the NES. Well, the Super Famicom is the Japanese equivalent of the Super NES. Yeah. Okay. I still think when I said was correct. I think they're super Nintendo appreciated our regular Nintendo. Do you think that what has more? People who follow the NFL, fans of the NFL, or people who play video games. And all video games. Video games. Well, how many copies of Madden sold?

I don't think that's a man here. Wait, look at that. But I see it's gotta be NFL because NFL is on TV and it plays every week. It's not about worldwide, right? Gaming is worldwide. Yeah, hands down gaming. What I'm gonna say, right? I'm gonna say gaming probably more probably more soccer fans than gaming fans though. And what's your point here? All right. Well, it's because video gaming makes more money probably than being in like the NFL. It has more fans if you want to call it that,

more people that actively engage in it. I think, I don't know, I think video games need more to me than what the NFL does. I put more money into video games, but still there's still no value there. Sure, but Coca-Cola. I'd rather have assigned helmet by video games or but it's still there's still no value there. Sure, but Coca-Cola. I'd rather have a signed helmet by, you know, video games are more of a product. Like Coca-Cola makes more money than, say, indoor soccer.

But there's a lot of people who'd be much more interested in meeting a guy on the indoor soccer team than the CEO of Coca-Cola. I guess that's what it is, is because there's that exclusivity where it's like if you're watching somebody in the NFL, it's like, wow, a rare rare rare thing the product is not the person right? That's a thing is that in all these other things the product is the people yeah, you know The NFL the team is a bunch of people so you can meet those people but they're playing a game You know if we get if we get to the point where you can actually meet a character in a game that might be an interesting thing Well, you can meet you can meet the developers. I mean, I don't know.

Yeah, that's the same thing. It's like meeting the... Meeting Jerry Jones or something. Yeah, that's the same thing. I mean, there's a reason why people would probably want to meet Daniel Radcliffe more than JK Rowling. That's a great example. You know, is she wrote the book, she wrote Harry Potter.

He is Harry Potter. It's a different thing entirely. I mean How many of these girls you think would scream at the top of their lungs when the twilight author walks through the room? I'm not gonna do it, you know what I mean? By the way, I love that. Can I say how much I love the twilight thing? Everyone makes fun of it. I don't know you know people who are in that geek or nerd culture or whatever They tend to make fun of other stuff that other people like that. They don't like which is so stupid. I think it's all connected. You know, you talk about the NFL. I love that sports guys will make fun of, say, like, cosplayers, and yet they'll go to the football game in a jersey.

That's true. You know, they dress up like the players on the field and they go to a football game, but they don't see the correlation. They put some of those rater fans where they can wipe your cheese on their head. Yeah, they just are like ladies with pig noses for the Redskins. Sorry, Joel. I know your answer. Hey, um, hand the fan of pigs. By the way, we should talk about the silver dome in just one second. Yeah. Uh, but I love Twilight. I love that in 2009 that there is still something in the world that makes teenage girls scream at the top of their will. They're all, they're always will be, right? I hope so. I hope we don't get to the point where everyone is so jaded

You know, they're always will be I'm glad I'm glad that it's still exists because I would not have been able to think of what that would be They would make girls a scream uncontrollably the top of the Movies what's that? I saw I saw Twilight the first movie I saw on a plane Would you think it was bad was almost unwatchably bad? It was a true. She's the funny thing. There was no plot introduced into that film until an hour and 30 minutes in. Really? It was bizarre. It's because to me it seems like to reach that

sort of audience to make that sort of money. It has to be very formulaic. That's the only way you sort of reach that. Oh yeah it's just about teen angst. I mean that. But and I can see why it appeals and I'm sure the books I would never compare a book to a movie from a quality standpoint I'm sure the book is a lot better thing though

Like if you watch a movie like Twilight and you don't like it, you know, you've you have some years on you Obviously, it's like you well, I've seen the story before whatever you just don't like it You know, you've been you've been a gion that formula yet, but yet if you're a filmmaker, it's like well I know all the elements are involved in this, you know Higher, good looking guy whatever put all the variables together. I could write this and produce this, but at the same time you have no respect for your own work. Could you do it? Yes. Could I do it? I don't know. I think it's a harder...

We were talking about that on corporate level just a little while ago. We were talking about could you build a company? It becomes a product. Yeah. You don't care if this thing actually makes money just so you can sell it to a product. Yeah, you don't care if the you don't care if this thing actually makes money just you can sell it to somebody else You know, you don't care if this thing has value you just care that you can sell it to somebody other people fine, but it does have value I don't know. Yeah, it has a hundred and forty million dollars worth of value. There you go Yeah, that's it. No, no, no, will you talk about value value means something entirely different to me I mean that's that's monetary Entertainment it's totally different I think There is value in twilight obviously the millions of fans who read the books right some of our wives right the twilight

That's weird and creepy, you know, but that's I don't know that what's your point? What are you trying to say? What are you trying to say? I don't know if you're a filmmaker It's like most of the things especially young filmmakers. It's like I want to become a filmmaker because I want to say what I want to say Or I want to tell the story that I want to tell I would die and then other part of it is like also I'll make lots of money I would so disagree with what you're saying. I don't think that's the path for most people anymore. I don't think people have something they want to say.

I think you can very clearly people that have something they want to say because their first thing is very good. Yeah. I mean most of the time what you're talking about those artists, you see something comes out and I was like wow this first thing they put out is tremendous and there's a steady decline because they have less and less things to say. I think now you have people who go through all the effort of making productions and they don't have anything to say no no no But what I'm saying is well, I guess what I'm questioning what is the main motivation?

For people who want to be film maker. I think you want to be famous Mm-hmm. I think that's the thing now. It's everybody just wants to be famous, right? I don't know who directs a twilight But I wouldn't say that the guy set out to make a bad movie either though Catherine Hardwick I just look at it. I'm sure she put a lot of work and effort into it and I'm sure she made what she's Nisha's really in there like when I was I feel like when I was in Hollywood there was a lot of like Basically like you had people working on projects movies TV shows and it was just like very workmen like Yeah, where you think it's a position of art and it's there's no art where it's just like very workmen like. Yeah. Where you think it's a position of art,

and there's no art, where it's just like, I will take this variable, I will put this variable into the formula, I will take this variable, I'll put this variable in the formula. Let me ask you this, because you worked on Angel for a very long time, for like five or six years, however long Angel was on the Air Four. At some point, at some level,

I'm assuming it's a Josh Weedon, there is somebody that cares and is trying to make the best possible story. Absolutely true. Like, Josh Weeden, he, I think, cared and it's like he wrote something that he loved. Same with Firefly. Sure. But he was, you know, he had, he, that's the great thing right there is if you can operate on two levels where you can both satisfy your own creative itch and it also appeals to people. Yeah. But it didn't appeal to people enough because well, it's still still lasted for a long time. I mean, at the height of its popularity, that show was more popular than Buffy.

I don't know if you know that. Well, I guess I was good like Firefly, you know, because it always seemed like to me that was the project that he liked the most I imagined. And they had the least success. Yeah, yeah. I don't know. Did you ever see Lords of Doc Town, Jeff?

The documentary or the movie? The movie. No, I saw the documentary. This, the same woman who got ten in Twilight. Directed Lords of Doc Town. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know if that was any good enough. I wanted to see it.

I didn't know. She was also a production designer on car 54. Where are you, the movie, and Tank designer on car 54. Where are you the movie and tank girl car 54? Where are you you know I created tank girls being one of the first comic book movies in the current generation of comic book. Sure There's a lot of people that like that movie. I thought movies horrible. Yeah, it's pretty bad Yeah, I saw it in Germany and a movie theater that started to be it was the most novel thing I haven't seen her in a long time.

Either Lori Petty, right? Yeah, I just saw her in point break the other day. Nice. Oh, and in Free Willie, because Millie went on a Free Willie kick for a while. Were you going to say something about the Silver Dome? Did I hear that? No.

Yeah, we found this out. The Pontiac Silver Dome, which was the former home of the Detroit Lions, recently sold into Detroit. I didn't even realize they had moved to a new stadium. Correct. Yes. And it was sitting vacant and they sold the property. When did they move from?

I didn't even know. No, but do we know? No. I'll check my Detroit Lions newsletter. But they sold the Pontiac Silver Dome for $580,000. I think you're correct. Somewhere in the neighborhood. Do we know who. That make you're correct. Somewhere in the neighborhood.

Do it like a steel. Do we know who bought it? Quite literally a steel because 40 years ago, apparently it was a bond, taxpayers paid $54 million to build that stadium. Wow. And it sold for $580,000. That's a serious depreciation.

It was some like Canadian dude or something, right? The bonnet. I think. I can be wrong about that who knows just some dude What do you want to do exactly like what's what's the most bad as house ever? I had heard that the plan for it was to Make it an indoor soccer stadium But still five hundred and eighty thousand dollars hopefully the losing his soccer team ever will play there. That scares the hell out of me. I don't know why. It's like Detroit is becoming this vortex.

Yeah. It's really, really scary. Well, dude, what is- A stadium, dude. That's a stadium, a dome stadium. When the- 580,000 dollars. When the recession first was at its peak,

and there were all the stories about Detroit. Gus and I went and did home searches in Detroit. You could buy in like 3,000 square foot, like 100 year old, man or style homes, that in Austin would be like 1.2 million dollars. You could buy them for like 6 and 7 grand. It was crazy. Yeah, it's amazing. You could buy a neighborhood and make it a good neighborhood.

You could. You could buy a neighborhood and make the neighborhood good. Right. Just put a gate up. Wow. A wall. Yeah. You know, with a, I mean, that's the thing.

It gets, it gets, it gets to a point where it just gets to be crazy, crazy value. And then that's when it will turn. And hopefully that's the turning point for them. To answer your earlier question, Joel, the Lions played their first game at Ford Field on September 22nd, 2002. Yeah, wow. They've been so they've been out of the silver dome for a while. Yeah, and luckily they got there and had their big Owen 18 season good for them. Well, I guess I guess that's part of how you get to that price, right? Is it's probably been sitting there for a long time. Wikipedia defines

that season as the historic 2008 season. Nice. Toronto on Dres us post a low poloist that's his name. Read that. How do you read that? Joe? What is that name? A post a low polo polo. That was the greatest name I've ever seen in my week. And very very Canadian. Clearly Canadian name. Thought the same thing took his money to the third world city of Detroit and bought the freaking silver dome for 583.3 World City of 80,000

Whatever I mean it's both enough. Yeah, the difference between $583 $583,000 when you start enough asking price of 55 million. It's insignificant To build it cost 50 53 55 million dollars to build so we could have bought it for Rucheteeth World headquarters It seats 80,000 people should have should have Should have could have a good speed there. We'd have to hire a lot of people to fill up seats It's got 80,000 seats. Okay, okay, so think about that at Ten bucks a seat. It should have sold for 800,000 They made less selling it than they did filling it in one day.

You're absolutely correct. One football game would have quadrupled the sales of that place. I mean, literally, you could all pull your money together by taking it and say, let's just buy this place. It's like me in a bar and like, hey, we should buy our own bar. That's the thing. It's got to be a situation where you can go on eBay right now. You can like look for the Magnum PI Ferrari and you can buy that for

$25,000. The problem is that the you know second engine service for that car is $10,000. So sunken costs that are so you're saying that what's the second engine? The second engine service. What's a second engine? No, the second time you have it in your service. Oh, it's $10,000. Yeah, well, I mean, so you're saying the upkeep it that makes it. You get the engine service. Oh, it's $10,000. Yeah. Well, I mean, so you're saying the upkeep it makes it not worth it. There's got to be, right? Would you really, what's the electricity bill for one day?

Would you make that your daily driver? I mean, really? Would you? Like, and you're not buying the Magnum PI Hawaiian shirt to wear it around town, you know? I would buy Higgins though. What's Higgins? Higgins is a pro.

I never watched Magnum PI. I don't know anything about it. Before my time. We should probably start wrapping thisi. I don't know anything about it. It's a performance. We should probably start wrapping this up. We're going to be long today. How long do we go? Pretty long.

That's going to crash. Is there lots of stuff to cut? I don't know. We'll find out. How about we end the podcast first? All right. Let's get some lunch and mull it over. Yeah.

Let's GPS our lunch. Yeah. I hope there's not a lot of to cut. Guess what? A personal day. All right, thanks. Let's hear it. That's all. Yay!

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