Rooster Teeth Podcast - Rooster Teeth Podcast #45

Episode Date: January 20, 2010

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It's time to put your pedal to the metal. From the twisted minds behind Deadpool and Zombieland, an executive producers, Will Arnett and Anthony Mackie comes the new Peacock original series, Twisted Metal, a high-oxane action comedy based on the classic video game series. Anthony Mackie stars as John Doe, a motormouth outsider who must deliver a mysterious package across a post-apocalyptic wasteland. If he can survive the drive, also starring Stephanie Beatriz, Samoa Joe, Nev Campbell, Will Arnett, and Thomas Hayden Church.

Twisted metal, streaming only on peacock. Well, that was the most abrupt ending ever. Wow. That was lack of a start, I would tell you. I kept waiting for the lyrics to drop in. No, then you hear it was like podcast. No, that was me. Oh, was it? Yeah, I was singing along with it. Bernie was freestyle. I was. Well, it was very, it sounded professional enough to be a podcast theme song, Bernie, that's what a good job you did. It totally had me fooled. Exactly the level I was aiming for. Hey, Speedo, which is a podcast? I'm excited. Yeah.

I've been looking forward to the podcast this week, summary. You have. Why, what's up, you guys on the talk about? I don't know. I think I'm just in a good mood. Wow. I don't know. Yeah.

Been a good week so far. Well, great day in the office yesterday, I thought. Well, it's just you, me, and Jeff Gus in Bernie this week. Maybe that's why I'm so excited. Yeah, maybe no Jack or Joel to drag us down. Yeah. Double J influence. Maybe we can get to an entire podcast without Jeff looking like he's about to pass out or fall asleep.

Well, that's Jeff all day, isn't it? Pretty much, man. Yeah. It's no offense to the podcast. That's just the way Jeff rolls. Takes a lot of energy to maintain this amount of awesome. That reminds me, we have a new employee at the office who we haven't talked a lot about recently.

And we don't have many meetings at the office. Very rare. I mean, it's like four a year, five a year? Maybe, maybe, maybe five a year. Maybe, that's stretching it. Yeah. Anyway, so this year we've had two so far this year, which is really rare for us. And our new employee missed the first one

and then slept the entire way. It's the second one. So I think he's sending a message. I'm not sure what it is, but I'm getting it worked out. He missed the first one, walked in with the sandwich and was like, there's a meeting? And like, yeah, didn't you get the email? He was like, nope, I'm just turning around and walked out.

New employee doesn't do meetings. I'm not really sad he missed yesterday's meeting, because it was a good meeting. It was. We had a lot of fun. He was there physically. I guess that's true. I looked over and he was fun. He's like chin down in his chest doesn't Saw on some logs. I did find yeah his occasional snores to be helpful

Insightful he would stir every now and then when there was a round of laughter. Yeah I could do was sitting darkly across from me the other day Well, and I could judge how good a response than an idea got because I how much it stirred him I was like a 3.2. But the last day we had a pitch session is what we call it, where we went over a bunch of different ideas for shorts and other projects as well. It was fun, it was great, a lot of fun. It lasted a lot longer than I thought it was going to last.

A lot of dick jokes Surprisingly Idea number one get rid of the podcast That's not a great idea for a short But now what is it this our 45th we're coming up on is it worth it? Yeah, we're coming up We're getting close to the one year anniversary before we started doing weekly podcasts. Wow, dude It's probably like two months away Something like that. Yeah, that's about right. We had a week there where we did five in one.

Oh, Chef, we're out about that. So it's maybe about three months away then. Yeah, but this was about the time we started, you know, doing the, we put out the first one. First couple. December, right? Yeah, it was about a month ago. You know, most of our more prepared with anniversary information than we are.

We're trying to retrofit and figure out where our anniversary was. I don't even remember when it was. I remember I posted a podcast that day and then all the comments for that podcast were, hey, this is the one you're anniversary. If when you all first put a podcast out and I was like, oh, I'll be damned. I have the same problem with the comic. I have no idea. I was assuming it was April 1st, was there? That first weekly pocket, why not? Let's just say it was. Sure. Number two was April 10th. So it would have made sense for us to do it on April 1st. We don't usually do during the week of our anniversary a week of content, like something new and different every day, and I think this was maybe the Wednesday of that week. Okay. Like red versus

blue would have been on the actual anniversary, and then we start doing the shorts as well and Then the podcast. I think that's why it worked. It's actually number two was on April 10th Yep, that's what Bernie said. Oh, is that what you said? Yeah, yeah, but in your defense. I said it earlier Oh, also I wasn't listening We skipped between three and four we skipped like two weeks It's weird. So I guess we must have put out like the left for dead video or something at that time Oh, yeah, so based on the feedback I've gotten I read in last week's podcast people want us to talk more about football coaching changes

Those are words like I should dedicate this podcast of that I walked out from a conference call and I walked back in and Jack was talking very passionately about I wanted it. I want football change. I never regretted not getting in on a conference call and I walked back in and Jack was talking very passionately about the end dude I wanted to I want football change I never regretted not getting in on a conference call so much I was jealous of you he was really passionate about it he was very excited about old white men well as well as he's talking about football which people have pointed out to me that a lot of the world doesn't follow football right well that's that's their loss but then the particular kind of football that we were talking about which we like is college football you could not pick a more regional sports sure then probably college football if the

region is America well no I mean like we're in the state of Texas and not everyone in the state of Texas even likes the team that we like I mean there's you know you go a city a hundred miles away and everybody hates that team. You can say that about professional sports. The Texans and the cowboys are really, you know, 200 miles away. It's pretty arguable that if you're within the state with the team, you might like the team. That's not the case with college football. Yeah, it's definitely, college football is definitely a lot more territorial. And you can even argue that the closer you are to the team the more you hate them. What are you looking at me for?

Well, you're from Alabama. Well, you're the favorite drunk tank participants. So we figured you would have some insight. Oh, no, I don't have any. Yeah, roll with it, Jeff. You're Mr. Popularity over there. What are we talking about today, Jeff? Oh, gosh. What do you guys want to talk about?

Let's see. If Jack was here, we could talk about army of two, but I don't want to bore you guys. No, no, let's talk about Army of two. Is it good? I like it. I never played the first one. Talking about the sequel, Army of two, 40th day. It's a pretty cool game, though. It's kind of like a more co-op-centered Gears of War. Feels very much like Gears of War kind of slow shooter. You know what I mean? Like the pacing and years is kind of slow.

A lot of ducking cover. How, I guess, have you played it at all at all single player? Or have you just been playing a player? How does the AI stack up? Like, with the game like that, like, years, I was, I'm always concerned when I'm playing with an AI partner. Well, here's the problem. I was playing, I played through the whole game with Jack.

So it would be hard for any AI partner not to be better than Jack. Oh, right. He's notoriously bad at shooters. What? Coming from Jeff by the way We're to trying to complete like the game on veteran yesterday and Jack was trying to do the exact opposite where he's supposed to do Yeah, yeah, that was awesome. That was called duty. That was called duty? Yeah, we were trying to do a speck op video and I couldn't get Jack to go upstairs with me to save his life. He insisted on going in the garage.

The murder garage. So anyway, the thing I like about Army 2 though, it's fucking, it's like a five hour game. What's that about? No, it's great. I really, we talked about this last week too, but I really appreciate short games. Most people argue until it's bad though. No, five week about this last week too, but I really appreciate short, short games. Most people argue and say that's bad though. No, I agree with you, but I think most people want longer games.

Yeah, when we talked about that last, there's a lot of feedback. Is he the discussion about the link to video games in the comments for that podcast? And I think the main point was just from an economic standpoint, people want the most for their $60. Yeah, but when you get like a long 10, 12 hour shooter, you're just playing, you're playing a game that ends up with like four or five or six filler levels, right? Mm-hmm. That just aren't interesting. And they're just putting, you end up with a lot of levels that they just put in there to pad the time. I agree.

And I'd rather play like, I'd rather play a five hour shooter that's designed well enough that I want to play it through four or five times, than play a longer FPS once. I did not like the movie Avatar more than I liked Inglourious Bastards because it was longer. You know? Yeah. It wasn't much longer. Inglourious Bastards was two hours, thirty minutes long. Avatar was like two forty-five.

My point being Mr. Symantex that you can like. It's the same movie. You don't judge movies based on the length of the movie. You know what I'm saying? You don't sit there and discuss it and say, nobody walks out of a theater going, the movie's only 90 minutes. Fuck that.

I want my money back. I want $2 back. How long was Toy Story? It was 72 minutes? It was pretty short. I think Jack has just joined us by the day of the subject. Hey, I see. And how Jack told us, how long was Toy Story?

Do you remember? Toy Story, it was a shorter movie. I don't know. I want to say it was less than 90 but I'm not sure what exactly my biggest disappointment was Dana Carvey's master of disguise which is only like 70 that was like a 70 minute movie Yeah, I didn't see it that did you I felt ripped off on many levels you didn't actually see that no, I didn't we should watch it We should totally should we should organize like a viewing on the website of You see Dana Carvey and that was at a sprint ad or some, there's some commercials you can get right now.

Yeah, it's a sprint ad. That's weird. What was he in before that? What was the last thing he was in? Wayne's World II. Yeah, he had a health problems, right? Did he? Yeah, I think he got some kind of a disease or something.

No, he had a heart surgery that the surgeon botched and then they had to have the heart surgery again. Okay, I'm totally working from memory here But I think he had some kind of vessel like an artery or a vein in his heart that had to be repaired Then his claim was that the surgeon messed it up and it derailed his career for like two years at a very Vital part of the body of the surgery botch. I think heart is the last surgery He won't bother right harder bone or heart or balls or brain brain. Yeah, I'd never heard that before Bona surgery Schwarzenegger had

Preemptive heart surgery. There's no such thing in my opinion Is I'm not gonna do heart surgery proactively? Yeah, I'm not I just waited out. I live close to a hospital That would be my strategy is rough Hmm, apparently he I'm reading here. He underwent open heart surgery for a block artery in 1997 But had the wrong artery operated on oh he later sued for medical malpractice and was awarded $7.5 million He's had to undergo five operations in total to correct his heart problem. Fuck dude look at the big brain Unburny look at that all from memory poor guy. He had a carps girl, right? He I saw a thing the other day about him where he had some show some sketch comedy show the Dana Carvy show

Yeah, and it only ran for a few episodes But I had people like almost the entire crew that is now the daily show and the Colbert report It had a tremendous amount of talent writing talent. I think Steve Carell and Stephen Colbert and There's somebody else. Dave Chappelle was Dave Chappelle. Mm-hmm. Dave Chappelle was a writer for that. Wow. That's that's a fucking crazy cast Yep, it's probably a guy who just knew a bunch of really funny comedians young comedians in the club circuit or something and just hired them Louis CK and Robert Spigel were producers Wow, I gotta say some of the sketches were they were out there, but they were pretty funny I heard that show was pretty outrageous like over the top. Well, he was a groundlings guy, right? Carview is? I don't know.

Like all those guys, like, yeah, all those groundlings guys, they ended up on SNL, or, you know, they've all done pretty damn well. Man, did anybody watch, speaking of SNL, did anybody watch this at Gourney Weaver SNL? I was thinking, yeah, it was not. It was terrible. Man, she's.

I was being friendly, just saying it's okay. She, I was, I felt bad. I like the, the weekend update was pretty good, with Seth Me Myers talking about How NBC is like having two wives? That was kind of funny or the thing he said about about Jimmy Fallon He can't go back to being a kid every three weeks Yeah, that was pretty funny. I forgot Jimmy Fallon to weaken. He did weaken update right? Yeah, he did toward the end Who was he was he was he was him and Tina Fey I think and then when he left any polar replace them

Yep, okay, and then then Seth Myers replaced Tina Fey and and now any polar is gone on to smaller and better things I don't know about better but let's use on parks and recreation, right? Yeah, I don't know how it's doing What he's talking about I just saw it episode of that for the first time which one did you see last week? Will our net was I saw that one too. It was all right. Yeah, it was, I watched the first episode and it was terrible. Yeah, I'd never seen an episode. I saw that one. It was okay. I laughed a couple times.

Yeah, same here. But I saw the will our net was in it. I was like, I gotta watch this. Watching it was just, I just felt like I was watching the office, but set in a different office. Yeah. Well, I think then that's the appropriate feeling. I think that's what they're going for.

But that's strike quality iron's hot. That is, he's on, as I,. It's kind of funny on it. I thought. I don't know. He's got a new special. I found him a bit annoying. He's funnier not on it actually. Yeah. Yeah. He's funnier and other stuff that he does. He's got a special on comedy sense right now. That's pretty good. Cool. He's one of the human giant guys. Yeah. And he was one who had that really funny part in observing a report. I haven't seen it. Seth Rogan Malkop movie, which was good, you said, right? You should go see it. I want to see it. It's a dark comedy. It's extremely dark. Well, it's by the foot this way guy, right? Yeah. Yeah. I forget his name, but yeah, I was thinking really? Yeah. I didn't know that. Yeah, Jamie something. Oh,

no, the guy that not not Adam McKay, but the guy that actually created he also did you spouting down yeah, and crap, I can't think of what his name is now. Yeah, he's not a dude that's in it. No, no, no, that's Danny McBride Well Danny McBrides, he's also an observer report. I think Danny McBride co-wrote flip this way But this guy was the writer director That makes sense to because the the girl from footfish ways in observed report there you go she's like a corn dog girl that movie did not do very well that's what I think it is well I think the people that went and saw it thought it was gonna be like Paul Bart to and then if you go see it it's

nothing it's it's a twisted sick movie Jody Hill Jody Hill yeah we're all thinking of man I was thinking about this on the way in today. So in this podcast, there's only two of us that actually have cable TV at home. Yeah. That's a little bit weird. I've got the internet. I've got the internet. Yeah, that's not cable TV.

Fuck that. I got the internet and I got an antenna. What else you want? Well, I mean, like, you can't, you don't have a traditional experience that, like Bernie and I have, like, as far as watching TV and everything like that. Like, you can't go home right, you couldn't watch Daily Show last night and see who was on. Like go watch it tonight. Yeah, but I mean, you're missing things that are like very, very, you know, important.

Jack is saying you're not in the moment. Yeah, yeah, it's not, but I mean, like you guys represent sort of the new way of looking at sort of television media or not even television media, but just, you know, I think Gus and I don't watch TV nearly as much as you do. No, I don't know. No, no, but just you know, I think I think guts and I don't watch TV Neatly as much as you do. No, I don't know, but that's it. Yeah, that's the thing though. I mean, it's weird that like I don't know I think we're coming across this you know the future now or like what we're stopping to watch traditional TV I'm gonna I'm actually it's funny. You bring this up I'm looking into doing this project for my for my TV at home

Where I'm trying to figure out how to build like a little home theater PC that I can use as a DVR with my antenna and so that I can use it to watch like Hulu and other stuff on the internet on my TV and have to be remote control so it's like a more traditional experience, but still like you said delayed it a day. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I hear all that and I'm just like get cable, you know, fuck it. I Save yourself some grief. I mean, I spend you know 400 bucks on a on a computer to do that And that's like a cable bill for three months The way I look at it. I like to watch and you guys feel free to make fun of me for the shows that I watch But I like to watch any Gordon Ramsay cooking show not time sensitive at all

What's your watching something like hell's Kitchen and you know someone spoils it for you. Who the fuck is gonna spoil it? None of you people watch those shows. I watch Hell's Kitchen. I watch Hell's Kitchen. I watch Hell's Kitchen. I've never talked about it.

I've been watching it. There's no one else watches it in the office. I don't have anyone to talk to. I watch Hell's Kitchen since season one man. I love that show. Yeah. Anyway, okay. We're totally spoiling it.

Hell's every day. Hell's Kitchen project runway 30 rock in the office. I can wait a day to watch any of the And it saves me $140 a month all of those except project runway if you had an antenna you could watch them Yeah, the day that came out anyway, and I do have that antenna I still even though I have that antenna that you gave me I still choose to watch that stuff online at my convenience I don't I don't need to watch 30 rock on Thursday night. I don't have that burning desire. Yeah I've got I might feel that way about lost when last comes out

But I can watch you into the network stuff. The night it comes out, what happened? The list again was Hell's Kitchen project runway. Yeah. What else? 30 rock in the office. That's it. I bet you motherfuckers want us to go back to football at this point. Project runway.

I got some girl in project. I went to Jeff's house the other day and he had a project. Well, I don't make it Griffin. Someone had a project runway sewing machine and they're living her That'd be Jeff. Yeah, that's mine. Yeah, Griffin has a has a sewing machine that just happens to be like a the project runway sewing machine She didn't run out and buy it because it was a project runway sewing machine She just needed a hundred and fifty dollar sewing machine and that was the one that was in her budget. Was it a quality project? Product no it broke did you make it?

Did you make it work? Did you make it work? It's busted. Now, it's broken. We didn't make it work. That's cute, though. Thank you. Tim Gunn was actually on, how I met your mother last week. I don't know who Tim Gunn is.

You do. You know what Tim Gunn is. A lot of him. Who's Tim Gunn? He's the pseudo-host of Project Unlock. OK, see, I think of a little bit of the show from Osmosis, because my wife watches it she doesn't watch in the bachelor right now which is

i mean that that that show will make you stupid that if you sit there watching it will make you a dumb person it's funny you say that because i saw it i was flipping to the channels last night uh... before i watched Harry Potter which was awesome by the way and uh... i saw the bachelor and i thought bernie's wife loves the show she's always always talking about it. I've never seen it. I got about four minutes into it.

And like, the dude had a chick who had a kid. And he was like trying to play it cool. Like, he actually was into a chick with a kid when everybody knows that he wasn't. This fucking lame. It makes no sense. And the weird thing is, they put people in that scenario. And all those people within the first five minutes

completely adjust and act like this is normal. Like, this is something that would happen. that scenario and all those people within the first five minutes completely adjust and act like this is normal. This is something that would happen. I was watching a commercial, like I was watching something on TV. I might have been watching 30 Rockers. Anyway, a commercial for the bachelor comes on and it's like one woman yelling at another woman saying she's totally fake. She's not real at all. All these people fake. Like how can one person on the show accuse someone else of being fake? I can't imagine anybody in the world would say you know I really want to marry somebody on a reality show. Somebody on a reality

show who's picking me out of a group of 12 people. Yeah. Or even the guys like you know there's 25 people I think is what they start with. I have the idea that this is my type. I go for the reality show type and I can just find this great one out of all these super duper qualified women. I just can't imagine that. You know who wins in this situation? The guy who gets to make out with 12 hot chicks on a one day-to-day basis and then doesn't have to marry the one who wins. Yeah, I don't know. There's a lot of crying that's going on there. He's dealing with a lot of emotions. Yeah, it's a lot of page checks. A lot of a giant is going on there. That dude's dealing with a lot of emotions. Yeah, it's a lot of page check. There's a lot of a giant is going on there.

That's 12, you talk about 12 women, that's 12 periods dude. Think about it. It's like half your month gone. The plumbing in that house has got to be wrecked. That's what I like about this podcast. It's a classy affair. You know, we're leaving you stick to the high brows though. Somebody just goes to the next level all the time Jesus Jack. Wow. Thanks. We just lost our two female listeners. I can't believe you don't have a girlfriend

You're so charming Ray a sunshine Ironic coming from you talking about someone being positive dude? It works for me though. I can't stay I can't stay unmarried So I've been going back you know There's a couple of big sequels for video games coming out you know in the next few weeks like Mass Effect 2 and Bioshock 2 and I went I went back and I just finished Mass Effect for the second time. I haven't played it since it came out and I liked it a lot more the second time and I'm glad to hear you say that because I always felt that you and I didn't played it since it came out and I liked it a lot more the second time I'm glad to hear you say that because I always felt that you and I didn't play it

But just knowing you and over the course of our friendship I felt like you were probably being overly critical. I think I was being a little overly critical the first time I played it It's a good it's a good game. It does have some shortcomings Which I hope they'll fix in the sea so who's gonna end up with mass effect when you and me Either of us. Gus, you wanna do Mass Effect? You're gonna cover for the site? Okay, I'll send it out.

I got nothing going on. Well, Dark Void came out yesterday, right? Today. You ruined it yesterday. Yesterday. What happened? I gave you a hand sign. How long do we have to give that person?

So Dark Void came out yesterday, right? Yeah yesterday Jeff you're planning are you enjoying it? Yeah, the criticism of the game so far is that it's only about five hours long, which means I love it Well, that's like our me too. Our me too is really sure we're talking about that earlier Yeah, we're he even tried to put it off because you weren't here, but we said no True, we weren't sure if you're gonna show up at 1 p.m. Again for work today Yeah, what's up? What what what time you're going to show up at 1pm again for work today. That's all right. Yeah, what's up?

What time's you rolling today? I was here at 10, 15, and then I had to leave. Central time. Dude, I have to deal with traffic. I live way the hell of north. Traffic must be a bitch at 11am. It's a good moment. That's the no one else that drives to work has to deal with traffic in Austin.

Dude, your situation is fucking unique. What what you take two roads to get the work you take what seventh and the front-end road of 35 Doesn't Joel have the same community because I make a good decision in the way in just because I make good decisions And where I live and you don't is why the fuck should I be penalized in his defense? It wasn't his decision That is true his horse parents decided to live. It's true. I'm about two months away from being debt-free, well, other than my house. Other than the largest debt possible in life. Other than that six figure debt hole I've got. Man, speaking of my being debt-free,

I've selling my, my winter property. I'm excited. I'm gonna be free of that shackle mess. Nice. How long have you had that? Nine years. Oh wow. Maybe 10. Yeah. Have you ultimately profited off the thing?

I don't know that anybody ever profits off the sale of a house. I haven't lost as much money had I been just purely renting it in or renting a place all that time. Oh, I've been thinking about this way. I mean he lived there for many years. Oh, okay. I lived there for six or seven years. Yeah, okay. So you've just recently been renting it. Yeah. Oh, okay. I don't know that or seven years. Yeah, okay, so you've just recently been running it. Yeah, okay, I don't know that. That's off Riverside. Yes, that's the house where we recorded the first dialogue for Red versus Blue.

That picture we have on the couch. Really? It was there, yeah. Can you put like a historically landmark out front or something? One of those texts, that's also where we used to do the shipping for the DVDs, we'd get the fucking palette. Oh, right, yeah.

You're the freight truck would come and drop it off your sometimes bedroom was our shipping we had all our t-shirts laid out on the bed stacked up did you sleep on the t-shirts oh yeah i wrote my balls and all of them i don't know what's wrong with Bernie over there i don't know he's not a melon collie also no no i'm just trying to get the most popular podcast member by looking vacant.

And I'm just thinking that house was how I actually met Jeff. And I'm thinking you had it longer than nine years. I bought it in 99. I'm so in 11 years. I bought it in May of 99. I'll be 11 years at least now. 11 years, yeah. So I've had it for a long time.

Because I had to sign the paperwork to kind of approve the fact that Jeff had a job and say you know I can verify this and that he has the salary for his mortgage application I thought who is this guy out here who works for us that's buying a house and he was in the real level one at the time yeah I was like that was a level one entry level position he was buying a house so I wasn't out I went and found a mountain McCulls Center floor to introduce myself I thought here's a guy who's understands what's going on man. That's fucking ambitious eight dollars an hour And you bought a house huh? That's cheap house. That's that's crazy though. That's awesome I got good. I got to get more good rates

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah back in the day. It was great. 7% I know Big deal was you didn't pay me closing costs, but you know can be Yeah, it was just significant. Yeah, you know, you can tell about six grand on a house when you're doing closing costs Mm-hmm. It's pretty good. By the way, I also found that toy stories running time was 81 minutes So it was short, but it wasn't as short as we thought. It's a pretty short the Turkish version is 74 minutes So huh, I don't know what the, what is that? Seven minutes of toy story that would be inappropriate for Turkey. But what, so the total runtime is that include the credits? I don't know. I mean, I have no

clue. No, I mean, I like it generally in a movie. If you look up a runtime, does that include the credits? I don't know. Okay. I'm gonna say yes. If that's the case that movie is probably right around 80 minutes and I would guess. As opposed to 81. Yeah. I'm going to say, I think it's an 88. I think it's an 88.

So it's probably around like 75 or something. According to Yahoo Answers, it starts from the beginning of the movie, beginning of the credits and ends at the end of the credits. Okay, there you go. I think it's from when you hit play movie to when you return back to the main menu. So when you go back to blockbuster, that's what I would account in there. Speaking of blockbuster, I'm turning in my resident evil five and my Prince of Persia that I got from Gamefly and I'm canceling my Gamefly account.

Did you play Prince Principal Persia? No. It's one of the things I added to my list probably eight months ago and I've gone through now two rounds of returning in two games trying to get games I want and they're just going down to like number eight and number nine and a few. You have to, when I had Gamefly, I had a very similar problem that you're having. What I had to do was remove all but the game I wanted from my queue and I have one game in my queue. Or sometimes two. And that would be the only way to get games. And you just sit in the window. Yeah. I see it's it's a it's yeah. It's a flawed product. Is there a game fly here? Like rental place here in Austin?

Yeah, I think there is a distribution center here. Yeah. The address that I send my stuff back to is in Austin. Well, that's cool at least. I guess. Great. There's a warehouse full of games I don't want to play. Awesome. What was the turnaround? Like, if you were to send in something today, what would you give it in? Well, if, like, let's say the top items in my queue

were, say, left for dead to and dark void, which comes out tomorrow, right? So I could turn in yesterday. Yes, tomorrow, today, whatever yesterday is. So I could turn in my games today, and whatever yesterday is. So I could turn in my games today and I would have crash bandicoot. Saturday. That's how fast it works. So if you look at when you actually want the game, it takes, once you turn in the game, it takes about six to seven months to get the game you want pretty much,

but you'll get something in the mail in the next three or four days. Oh, it's like, it's just like Netflix. The turnaround is about as fast as Netflix. It's just you don't get the next three or four days. It's like, it's just like Netflix. The turnaround is about as fast as Netflix. It's just you don't get the game you want. Okay. It is very difficult to get anything that was released. Jeff would just say, last three to six months.

Yeah, I would say as far back as six months. So I wonder, how do they determine who's getting left for dead two in this example? I don't know. How do they, who added it to their queue first? Is it who returns the most games? That's a great question. You think they have like one of those big, like bingo ball bins that they roll around

and pull your name out like, oh, they get it this week. I got Gears of War two from them and I held that game for probably about five or six months. Geez. And then I get Prince of Persia in the mail, right? And I go on their site and I look and then you can buy the game as well.

But my account is 25 bucks a month and the game is about 30 bucks To buy the game so it's actually they actually kind of show you wow you could have bought this game for less than the cop or about the same cost as your game fly Yeah, so I've always wanted to get a gameplay account But you know I always hear things like that like you can't get the game you want I've had it twice and I don't think I'll have it again Yeah, the problem I guess with with game flyfly and how it's different than Netflix is that you run a movie and you watch it and you return it the next day. Nobody's returning games that quickly, you know.

For your permission. People might keep left for dead for two months. I haven't had Netflix movies for about nine months now. So, in your face, sir. Most people return their Netflix pretty quickly so they can get the next movie. I'm working for memory here, but my Gamefly account is I think 25 bucks a month. I got Prince of Persia in the mail to me with Resident Evil 5 on the site.

I can just hit a button to keep it. If I keep it, they're gonna charge me $12.34. So why would I want that game? Why would I want it from Gamefly? The cost of my account, that's half the cost of my account for the month. It's actually cheaper just to buy it from them through the mail than it is to try to play this gambling system of my count for the month. Yeah, you know, it's actually cheaper just to buy it from them through the mail

That it is to try to play this like gambling system of hoping that you get it Yeah, resident evil 5 by the way I could keep for 19 bucks. Why hasn't there been why isn't Netflix come out with their Game version of Netflix why isn't somebody like white wise or no competition here? I think the cost of discs is prohibitive They have to have some kind of deal right like Like with the distributors or the game publishers? I doubt it. Really? Really? Really?

Really some kind of a deal. No. No. Well, there you go, then. I think they both operate under some kind of thing called the law of first ownership, where if you're the person who purchases it, you can pretty much do whatever you want to with it. It's precedent sent by the rental companies, the video rental companies. Probably, yeah, so probably, I mean, just look at it. Netflix can buy a DVD for 12 bucks and

rent it out and get it back the next day or buy a game for 60 and have somebody keep it for six months. And I think that doesn't apply to streaming for whatever reason because it's a digital copy, not a hard copy. Hmm. Hmm. So if we wanted to tomorrow, we could pull our money and open up a rental shop. Yeah, I'm not sure why not? There's no, that's interesting. I didn't know that. You were thinking you had to have some kind of permit? Yeah, in order to basically, you know, lease out your viewings of DVDs or games or whatever. Now, I don't think there's any such thing. Gus, you didn't you leave Netflix because of the Blue Ray costs? I canceled Blue Ray from my account.

Like, at first, Blue Ray was free with your account, and then they increased the fee like an extra dollar a month to have Blue Ray access. I said, fine, I'll do that. Then like, three months later, they increased the fee like another $3 a month. I was like, fuck that, I'm not gonna pay. I know the $3.

Yeah, I was like, I already paid the Blue Ray increase. Are they increasing it again? So I just, I cancel out and get Blue Ray gonna pay. I know the $3. Yeah, I was like, I already paid the Blu-ray increase. Are they increasing it again? So I just, I cancel out and get Blu-ray movies now. I read an article that Blu-ray discs have a less of a lifespan when it comes to rental. That's their problem. Just the way they're produced, right? So they're just their brittle?

Or the maybe the layer that protects it from scratches, it's dense. We always talked about this before, Blu-ray and HDD came out under, if you remember, but we talked about since the data was packed more densely under the same surface area, as to whether or not it would become corrupt more quickly. Because a scratch or a pit is a lot more likely

to hit a data point than it would on a CD or DVD, even. Makes sense. But I, for Netflix, I mean, I've really never had a problem since the first year that service existed, getting a movie that was high up in my queue. Not even Blue Race. We all, at one period, we were going to do a, I don't know if you remember, we're going to do a feature on the site and then we never did it for what reason, but we all had trouble getting a blade runner, the director's cut for whatever reason. That was the one movie we had trouble getting. I remember we all tried for a couple weeks to get it.

And we were, we were testing to see what Netflix Analysis was like you said who gets priority for the movie right? I had the eight movies out of the time account Which I thought would give me priority access and it didn't seem to you know the one who got the movie first So didn't you are you I thought we all got it about the same time I even did the thing where I flipped my my when I returned my previous Netflix to free up space for it, I put my my disk in backwards so that the barcode wasn't really make it harder for it to be received. Yeah I remember the experiment didn't pan out to be anything useful that we could post so that's why we didn't put it up. But I remember though that was the Blade Runner HD DVD that's what we were all going for. Oh okay so it was when you know the HD DVDs were another option

You could put on Netflix and those were scarcer man. I want to watch a blader on her now. It's a It's streaming more scarce. I think it is it is the eight can you stream the HD streaming HD? Yeah, by the way I checked for you last night. I was running okay. Yeah, it's available. Yeah, I was upset for a while because you could not Rent inglorious bastards on zoom marketplace in the Xbox and you couldn't buy it in HD either You couldn't rent it at all and you couldn't buy it in HD But they've changed that now you can buy it in HD and you can rent it in a steer HD man I've I've really started using that service. I've been trying to catch up on all the movies I didn't watch last year like the hangover and paranormal activity and goods and Harry Potter and that

Streaming HD service works so fucking well. Did you watch the goods? I didn't get through it. I watched about 30 minutes No, no, I'm that the trailers look terrible. I can't know that will Ferrell trailer was one of funny things Yeah, the will will will will Ferrell scene is probably the funniest scene in that whole movie. It is the funniest scene in that whole movie I just I couldn't I can't stand Jeremy Piven. He just seems so like I hate him to Slime you to me. I don't know like do she I can't I can't watch him in you know in a leading role Yeah, I agree and he and it just wasn't good It was really sad too because I I figured it would at least be watchable, but nope I couldn't make it through

So should I try to go through one more round with Gamefly how much you paying find out how much you are actually paying I'll find out right now and then didn't go after this podcast We're never getting that gameplay sponsorship. We're right in for how long have you had gamefly Bernie? No, I'm like you this I've turned it back on Probably about six months ago thinking okay. Maybe they have everything worked out And then I ended up paying for games that I had for and part of it's me You know I kept I kept years of war two forever and something else like Saints row two. I just kept them forever Didn't didn't mega 64-due gameplay ads for TV. Yeah, they did very funny game play ads

Maybe a gameplay should be spending money on more discs Unless money on talent hey Put our friends out of jobs. I pay 22 95 a month all of which I hope goes to pay for mega 64 No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, have like tiered level, we always talk about with the Alamo where you can pay extra to make sure you get the game you want. You have to then mean why wouldn't you pay two extra bucks or whatever it is to get that. And it gets into the level of if you're paying 40 a month for two games guaranteed you'll get it. Why not just buy the game at the point. So I just depends on how fast you get through games. So I realize it will come back to game flight at some point, but it I'll be out for probably six months to nine months. Speaking of which, I just got notification that I have another seven free days of wow,

so you can expect me to see me back on wow. That's how I play wow. I just wait for the, I just can't play guys. Yeah, and then they said, hey, come on back, please, here's seven days or 14 days. I get all my wow in seven days. That's awesome. I can't wait to track you on the armory again. It's good to watch you progress. It is upgraded the armory too, isn't it? Yeah, now there's a 3D model viewer and like a texture previewer in the wow armory. What does that mean?

You can look at your model and like rotate it and see it with different armor sets on. So you can see your character in your browser. It's pretty cool. Essentially. I guess. I'm going to play it in a while. Let me see if I can pull up. You know, you share the character all night long. I couldn't imagine being at work and thinking I just got to look at

Hey, can you put different armor on him? I think so. Oh wow if you can dress up your doll on the internet holy cow That's awesome. It's the best I'm a Gachi. You can look at other people's Characters and you can also look for like weapon upgrades see there's my character This is better and better.. Hey, speaking of wild Gus, have you beaten Dark Siders yet? No, I think I'm close. I've been trying to get, I've been working on an achievement hundred video and I keep thinking I'm close to the end of the game for it and then it's like, oh wait, no, you're not close, you're not done. Yeah, that's a ban that I was like for us. And so I'm still, I'm still plugging through it. I think I'm finally close. I might

be like 80% done at this point Oh cool. How are you liking it so far? It's okay It's I feel like they it's a lot of Concepts taken from other games like mashed into one game. Yeah It's okay. I mean, I I if I had to give it on a scale of one to ten I'd give it maybe a seven really so far We'll see how we'll see how it pans out. Okay. Cool. So not a total loss. No, no I mean I feel like like I look at a lot of enemies and a lot of art and I feel like oh well

I've seen that character. I've seen that model before and wow. Oh, I've seen that model before and you know another game It's like it's it's it's a lot of it draws a lot of inspiration from a lot of different places What are you guys most excited about coming out the next few weeks? God, I don't know. There's tons of stuff, Mass Effect II, Dante's Inferno, BioShock. I'm pretty excited about Dante's,

because it's new IP, and I played it a little bit at PAX. I'm excited about Mass Effect II, but I can't tell you why, because I didn't play the first one. Yeah. I'm excited about BioShock II, but I barely remember the first one. I'm actually replaying about BioShock 2, but I barely remember the first one. I'm actually replaying BioShock right now.

It was going to say that earlier. And I finished Mass Effect 1 and I'm replaying BioShock. You enjoying it your second time through? I've only been about two hours in. I was going to show you Bernie. I can make my character dance in my web browser. I know how much you love the dancing. Yeah.

I can't get enough of dancing in MMOs. I hope all the public will have dancing. It does. And in Star Wars Galaxy's dancing was a profession. That's true, brother. You'd go into the cantinas and see like 20 people in the corner dancing. I would like to build a filter into an MMO

worth anyone ever dances in any point in time. I just immediately can't see them. Like they go and visit them. Ever. I just can't imagine taking my time. Like we'd be dangerous on a PVP server. Take a minute. I just want to run up and see you dance, turn invisible and stab you in the back.

I'm sure that I've danced at some point, but it just gets so old. We walk into a town, and there's just a bunch of people in the middle of the town just dancing. I'm thinking, what are you doing? What are you doing? You're not even like you're just... You're paying $15 a month to do this.

So kill something. You just type dance. You know, it's not even like you're paying $15 a month to do this. No, kill something. You just type dance. You know, it's not even like you're doing anything like some kind of fun beat game or anything like that. Slash dance. Slash dance. I use the hell out of Slash Spit though. I'm one of those people that I will just go as deep into the enemy territory as I can. All the way down to the training levels where people can't. you can't attack other people, they're too low level. You know it's like a starting town. Yeah, starting town. It's just wait, wait for somebody to click on me

with the wrong button. Grief. Yeah, it's kind of funny too, because the very first time I played while we were dressing and I first started, we had to call Gus in because we were getting griefed like that. Like level two or three and I thought I will never be that guy. I'm never going to be that asshole. And as soon as I play, like any time I go back to wild, the first thing I think of is where can I grief? Yeah, I remember I had to go see the guy who was fucking alliance. You were down in razor hill.

Yeah, there was that in razor hill. There was like two, two, uh, two rogues invisible. Way back in the day. I was just thinking when I stopped on a hill. And they all turn, they look at me on the top of the hill and I just wave at them Wait, not fast enough fireball I used to with one of my characters I used to log him out at the bottom of the lake in Red Ridge mountains And then I would consider him like a Godzilla or like a sea monster

I'd like log in and I'd come out of the water like Right next to the town, I just start like fireballing everyone That's a tough place to quest for the Alliance That would be because I've never been there. I'd come out and like, you know, just start terrorizing everyone. Throw a few slash roars around. I play a warlock, an undead warlock, and I have one of my pets is, is it was succubus, is that right?

Yep. Yeah. It's invisible, especially if you're a much lower level. So a lot of times it'll be a really far distance away from somebody waving to them And I like send my second miss and I just walk and watching her run out there They're like waving and like looking at me and then oh something's like you're just smack It's just fun to know it's coming and they have no idea. They're like nah, he's cool Then fireball fucking maybe waving. Then fireball.

Fucking maybe. I think I have a fireball. I have deathbolt or something like that. Death coil. Death coil. That makes sense. Yeah, I need to jump back on the the drunk tanks have been sort of slowing down lately. Wowless. It's been a little spin along. We've been pretty pretty busy last few months, I would say. So I want to get a do busy play video games. Yeah. When the when does cataclysm come out? Because that's probably when I'll come back. Oh, I want to get a little more. Do you visit my video games? Yeah, I do. When does cataclysm come out? Because that's probably when I'll come back. Oh, yeah. Still no release date.

Do you think it'll be this year, though? Uh, yeah, I think so. Okay. Do you think Old Republic got pushed back due to cataclysm? Do you think they were scared of it? No. No, I really don't think so. No, I think everyone in the world is salivating waiting to get in the

animal market right now. Yeah, really? You think so? I think so. Yeah, I'm actually surprised we don't hear more about Star Trek Online. That's coming out in like a month, right? They just entered open beta. Yeah. So what does that mean? When I come out?

You can sign up. I remember I read the Star Date a couple of drunk tanks ago. I don't remember what it was now. I think it's like the first week of March or something. Oh yeah, that's right around the corner Let me let me look that up. I'm pretty excited about that Something I'm looking forward to is them announcing what the Oscar nominations are going to be It's gonna be interesting isn't that this weekend 10 nominations. I thought it was like February first right something No, no, when they announced the nomination. Yes, I'm saying is that the first week of February somewhere in there

I think so too. I think Jack's right. What did you guys think of the Golden Globes any surprises? Hangover one best comedy god damn dude. Oh, no, no the nominations the voting ends for nominations this Saturday. It's what I think enough Oh, don't don't get me started on the hangover. I finally watched it over the weekend You hated that I hated it. How does Gus know that when the voting for nominations? That's a really good question party the Academy We didn't know it guys. I can't I can't say start to come line comes up February 2nd. Oh wow. That's a really good question. Are you part of the Academy? We didn't know it, Gus? I can't say. Start Check Online comes out February 2nd. Wow, that's really close. That's the... I don't mean to derail.

No, that's totally fine. I just went off and it changed in my head where... You see, now, why have we heard about Start Check, right? But when Gus said that and I thought, is Gus part of the Academy and I thought, what if Gus is part of the Mexican Academy? And there's a whole series of film starring Gus like at some kind of bandito or something

I just went in my head and thought how great would that be to find those what we're I'm a big senior spielbear Girl fan We should know that mean they're interrupting us. Oh, that's cool. I don't know what you saw the hangover. Oh, yeah I just didn't like it. I don't know. It wasn't funny. It wasn't a comedy people say it was a comedy and it wasn't I think I think you're being too hard. Yeah Yeah There's why here's why it wasn't good because Brandon described it as the perfect comedy So I asked him what's the funniest moment of the movie and he said I can't think of any well the problem is you're talking to Brandon I guess I mean I recognize that that there's value to the film because it made $277 million which is extremely impressive especially for a comedy when I watched it, I kept thinking I'm gonna laugh

Okay, well they're gonna tell a joke you wait for jokes right? Yeah, there was nothing Zach Alphanakis like when he got that was the worst part of the film when he got tazin was walking towards that That was that was pretty funny. It was okay. Yeah, I mean that was humorous, but that might be the only time that I laughed or even Thought about laughing the The little girl screams. The mic ice and stuff was horrible. I don't know, a humping tie. The fucking tie game. Really?

Yeah. Alright, I guess. Sorry, grandfather. I just, I don't know. When a movie gets best comedy of the year, you expect it to have some comedy. I'm sorry, there's no vaudevillain in it. There's no, there's nobody hacking in the movie. Wow.

Just saying. The movie was alright. It wasn't the best movie ever. Go back and watch it again. There's no buddy hacking me. Wow. Just saying. The movie was alright. It wasn't the best movie ever. Go back and watch it again. I watched it once. You watched it once. When the equal footing. Why should I fucking watch it again? Because I've seen him recently. I'm telling you. That movie's not good. I saw like two weeks ago.

And try to look at it this way. You disagreed with Brandon's review. But at least when you asked him about the movie, he didn't fall asleep. Or she'll back to you and answer your question That's true. That's a very good point. So he's got that going for him. He starts off with a positive So February 2nd start check online comes out. Yeah, and there's from what I've seen I haven't seen a pre-order push for it yet Well, it's a PC game. Do they really do pre-order pushes for PC games? I know steam does every now and then you know you can pre-load the game

If I think that everything I don't know if you're in the MMO business especially the licensed MMO business I would think you would be marketing like a son of a bitch. I would think that would hope so I mean the other logic you could use is we could do kind of a soft launch Make sure we can handle it work out the you know balance bugs that'm sure any MMO is going to have right out of the gate. And then go from there, but it seems like every MMO, it's like, uh, we're a week into this and it's already going to be shut down. Yeah, Star Trek, it's, it's, it's touchy that property too, because Star Trek fans, Trekkies are so like the eminent about that universe. And they're going to be super, super critical.

I would argue even more so than Star Wars fans. I would argue those people don't really exist anymore. You think so I think they do I think they've been spread pretty thin by that franchise Do you know when you don't win the game takes place in the timeline? We looked it up and we talked it it's after the next generation. Okay, so wait I just listened to this podcast the other day where we're talking about yep. Oh, okay We yeah, we're wondering how it fit in with the movie and how the other stuff well, yeah, yeah, especially now the movie coming out Is the movies in the prime universe. Yeah, so this is in the other universe. What's the prime is original prime?

The original okay, everyone the games in the prime spot prime is the prime is the spot that we know But in so the game is in the prime universe Complicated. Yeah, okay. Well, I mean, isn't it all alternate realities once the user's getting balls, right? Yeah, I guess so. So you know what else comes up February 2nd? Lost. Lost.

So excited. We're like, what, two weeks away from that now? Well, it's a nerd armic. Something like that. Yeah, really. It's a hard track online and lost. And I think fucking, Dante and Bioshock come out right around there too, right? Is that the same day same week?

Bioshock's February 9th actually. Yeah, yeah, I think Dante's is February 9th as well. It's like the second week of February. It's seven days late. I mean if Domino's introduces a new topping and might be having a flavor of the same day, it'll be like and people won't be able to handle it. And Bioshock 2 is February 9th and Dante's is also February 9th. Okay. That's gonna be a big week for us I thought his George Lucas I killed myself everywhere first and go haha fuck you all Roondra coming out You see George did we talk about George Lucas on the daily show. Yeah, I think we did

Yeah, that was weird. I didn't think it was weird at all I thought he was totally normal and I thought it was a good interview. I thought he was pretty funny actually Oh, no, I'm thinking about how he looked He's old as shit. Yeah, that's true. He looked I looked at his his neck grew, but that's about it Yeah, the guy's had the same haircut and same hairstyle for 20 years You got it. You got it in my right guy. You're six with it. Yeah, it's been longer than 20 years, isn't it? It's impressive. My dad's had a mustache since I've been born. This is before I was born I've never seen him without a mustache. That's his lucky mustache.

Yeah, it's weird. It's weird. It's his power. But like just a mustache. No goatee, no beard, always just a mustache. She dads a weird dude then. Maybe he's covering something up. Maybe.

Huge scar. Or a birthmark. He was a bit like Louisiana. Maybe he was big in the porn industry. He was actually a bandido. I'm just going off the top of my head here. He's in the Mexican Academy of films. So my wife and I have this long-running thing that we do long-running now being two years, where we watch all the films that are nominated for best picture. Has she seen Avatar yet? It's pretty cool. No, and she says she's not going to. And she's trying to do everything in her power to get out of the go to see Avatar why does it want to see it because it's I mean the thing I always go

back to when I describe my wife's taste in movies is that she would not go see the matrix because the matrix is a cartoon it's exactly what she said I don't want to go watch a cartoon that's a cartoon I try to explain it's not a cartoon she goes I see the commercials that movies a cartoon. I don't know how you yeah I don't know how you argue against that. Yeah, and so how do you get to go see Avatar? Yeah, if that's a half to if that's our argument with our matrix man Yeah, I can only imagine with that but Taylor gonna go see a different movie than like fucking Sneaker into the Avatar. Yeah, we're going to the tech state history museum to go look at oil Derrick's

Then take her into the I max Get it up say Gus is part of an exhibit there. What? Taylor's gonna tell you to take her to see the Alps movie on the iMacs. Gus is in the exhibit where he's wearing fur and he's running campfire. That's sneaker into the iMacs. But she said that she does not want to go see three hours of fake blue people. And I said that's exactly why you need to go see it because you think that.

So you should go see it Yeah, nope Nothing doing it's too bad such a good film and it's made $500 million in fucking it's it's it's five weeks It's gonna on it's gonna take over Titanic. Oh, yeah, it's only a hundred million butt down Did you see that it's not a hundred really down anymore? Is it after yesterday? Oh, yeah, it did 12 million yesterday So it's like 80s it's 95 million behind Titanic domestically It could do that in two weeks and it made 12 million on a Monday. Yeah. Yeah. Was it a holiday? Yeah, it was MLK. So over the over the MLK weekend, it made 54.6 million dollars. Now at this point are people going to see the movie to try to be part of that record. Who? God, who cares? I don't know. I'll see. I'll see. I'll see. I'll see now see it but some people might I've only seen it once I'll see it again

I'll definitely see it again God move me so much fucking money the crazy thing about that too is that Titanic did it in 41 weeks is that right? Mm-hmm and Avatar has essentially done it or damn they're done it in Five weeks probably will end up being seven weeks. Could it make two believe? will end up being seven weeks. Could it make two billion? Oh, just worldwide, yeah. Yeah, yeah, easily.

It's only. It's at 1.6 right now. Yeah. It's 222 million behind Titanic worldwide. It's going to probably break both of those records at the same time. And if that movie costs 500 million to make, which is what they were saying, with marketing and everything,

and it makes 1.5 billion. It'll have made the profits of about 15 blockbusters. Yeah, at that point. It is. I mean, he's on a different level. He is on a different level. So what's his next film as he talks about that at all? I think he said he was going to do Avatar 2, right?

Right. I heard there was talk about that. There's also talk about doing a true lies sequel as well. I'd heard about I've well that True lies sequel rumors been in floating forever. Yeah, but I know a Schwarzenegger hasn't ruled out doing more movies Like I think he supposedly is a cameo in expendables. I think I really I think so you know We the other week we talked about how some of the vehicles in Avatar look like halo vehicles and apparently I guess James Cameron talked about that. I don't know if y'all saw that. No, he had an interview on G4 on Xplay where he said that, well, those were his designs to begin with.

Oh really? Wait, what? Yeah, he said that, I mean, he said, he knows that a lot of the stuff he's created has entered like pop culture canon. Oh, he's like stuff Malian and Malian. Right. So he said that, you know, of course, you know, this is stuff he's created has entered like pop culture canon. Oh, he's talking like stuff Malian and Malian. Right. Oh, okay. So he said that, you know, of course, you know, this is stuff that he created originally and it's just out there and of course people are going to use it and, you know, then he comes back to use it. He could still use it. It's his stuff.

You know, he's doing, he's doing interesting marketing this time around for this film. Like he's showing up in really unexpected places. Like for instance, you wouldn't expect James Cameron to be on G4 or on Saturday Night Live, which he was in or on Howard Stern. He was on Stern? Yeah, or he's about to be. Yeah, he's a scheduled guest. He was funny on Saturday Night Live, the laser cats, fire, whatever.

I don't know. I was thinking, so Gourney, we were running around dressed like Ripley holding a lion. That was a flame throwing lion. That was pretty funny. I know it was funny when she threw up on Bill Hader. This goes back to the thing we talked about before, Jack is, Jack really likes referential stuff. Yeah.

Like, he, I was watching one of your videos that you made for achievement hunter, and he called Wolverines the best name level in the history of video games. For modern warfare too. Why? Just because it's named after Red Dawn. After Red Dawn. So, Jack just really likes referential stuff. Especially anything that references like the 80s or early 90s. Jack just of the guys that's so cool. They do that. So there you go

You know, I just like to mean you would probably feels like no, okay, I get it. I get it. I saw that movie too Yeah, you're in the movie. I get it, you know, but James Cameron If you only have to do promotions every five years, why not pull out all the stops, right? Yeah No, I just think it's it's cool that he's going in unexpected places like every five years You'd expect them to you expect to see yeah what was Titanic was 12 years ago 13 12 years ago 97 will Titanic yeah yeah like you'd expect to see him on a tonight show in Letterman and that kind of stuff not necessarily on Saturday live a decade of material to talk about I guess so but he's always done like weird stuff like he's like Lucas he just doesn't

seem to give a fuck that was the thing about the Lucas interview with John Stewart is he's like I don't care whatever you know people don't like it that's okay like what you like and don't watch don't like what you don't like and Cameron did that thing for MTV movie awards remember the Ben Stiller Vince Vaughn pitch for Titanic 2 yeah oh wow I remember I never saw that he's always done weird stuff like that yeah in fact the laser casting reminded me of that where it was them pitching Like a underwater dome or something. Yeah, that that Jack and Titanic is still alive and living in the ship And it's intentionally bad. Yeah, and you know James Cameron is playing essentially the Lauren Michaels part of that going no shut up. It's terrible So speaking of late-night talk shows, you know, have you guys talked about Conan or anything yet?

Do you want to? Let me read your first piece of viewer mail. Oh, here we go. Bernie's excited about this. I'm glad that you mentioned that. One of the best parts about working in this company is that I work in Bernie and I share in office. And when Bernie gets annoyed, it's always supremely entertaining.

And I get to be there at ground zero for it. He got so pissed off last week when he read this comment. And someone who was, what was the comment? It was awesome. This is in the response to last week's podcast when we talked about the Conan O'Brien thing. Okay. And Jay Ordan on the site.

Which one is it? It's just, I don't know. His name is Jay Ordan, which is actually a pretty funny username. But he wrote, Bernie doesn't seem to really know the whole late night deal. He seems to think that Conan is the one being canned, but it's really Jay Leno who is doing so poorly that NBC wants to put him into Conan's time slot.

And Conan wants, Conan wants nothing to do with it, so now he's threatening to leave all together. It bugs me when they talk about these things and don't have all the facts, but still forms such a strong opinion about them while acknowledging they don't really know what's going on than being us. Well, there you go, Bernie. You just got served. It'll hold snap. Do you think there's people out there who really believe that Jay Leno is on the outs

with NBC? Right. Yeah, right. And so that's why they're putting him back in the Tennitrus Law? Yeah, there's one person that's why they're putting him back in the tonight's Just law. Yeah, there's one person. It's a family in the world who believes that it's either Jay or Dan Belief and that person hates when people spout off about stuff that they don't understand good Lord dude Jay then is so poor that he's getting that flagship Talk late-night talk show back. Yeah, getting it back after quitting

You know, I mean I can we should we correct this I mean, should we bother to even explain the situation? No, there's no rationalizing with someone like that. Well, we don't know we're talking about. No, and you won't listen to us anyway, because we don't know what we're talking about. We need the skis to go and regulate on Jardam. Oh, we should talk about that. So we started saying the skis, the skis is different than the guy who skits. It's the skits. And and actually it's funny because the skis message me said You know, I know you've been like saying good things about me, but I'm not actually the guy you're referring to We have a bus kids on the website. It's a gdosc is yeah, it's the guy who is watching us the skits. Yeah So it's two different guys anyway the whole code and thing if if you know, they had a giant rally everything was awesome

Yesterday, but so suppose rally come on with people and no they uh it was pretty funny but uh anyway this week it's probably gonna be the last week of Conan on NBC and this week he he now not because he got fired though but only because Jaylen was doing so only because they Jaylen is doing some pretty they gave him Conan's job but uh they they've announced like the week of guest like Will Ferrell is gonna be on this week. I think Nor McDonnell is gonna be on this week. It's gonna be just a week of this guest, too, don't give a shit.

Man, I went back, it's funny you say in the Nor McDonnell, over the weekend I was laying in bed and I was thinking about Nor McDonnell, who's one of my favorite people in the world. And I went through and I watched all of his appearances on Conan. His last name was Fantastic. He's so, he's show he's that dude what that's the that's like the the perfect example of a dude who doesn't give a fuck yeah yeah but I'm excited to see Will Ferrell what Will Ferrell was Conan's first guest he was

really tonight show he was the first yeah the first guest anyway he was the old shows last guest so and he could be the this this new shows last guest I wonder if he's gonna be be the first guest for J. Lano's tonight show. No, God, part two. No, they're saying now like there's a list of celebrities that would come out and said they won't be on. No, no, no, no, no, see, you read the headline. You didn't read the article. Oh, yeah. That article makes it seem like there's a list of celebrities who say they won't go. It's really just Rosio Donald, all right. It's really a list of people the author speculates won't be on the show. I know Rosio Donald said she list of people the author speculates won't be on the show. I know Rosie O'Donnell said she canceled an appearance. Number one on your list of celebrities is Pat and Oswald.

I would question a lot of words in the headline. Yeah, that was, it was, it was a poorly worded title for a terrible article. Uh, but I want to say something kind of a serious note is that I like Conan and Ryan just fine. Um, I don't know that he should have been given the tonight show once J. Lennon's number one in the ratings I think somebody should have a clause in their contract saying unless we're number one in the ratings You know significantly the number not gonna make all these switches But Conan was the one who was kind of in the driver's seat a few months ago and J. Lennon didn't raise a big fucking stink

When he was leaving the tichou is number one and he didn't sit on there and say these guys were making bad decisions or whatever. Granted, he did take a show that he probably shouldn't have taken himself. Absolutely. To try to remedy the situation. And Conan is, I don't find Conan particularly funny. It's just not my brand of humor. He's like a goofy guy and he's endearing. But I don't know if he's necessarily like the guy who can be in the driver's seat of America's late night television experience. The Lynch Pan. He is a, I think he's a funny guy, but I think he's niche funny, right?

And which is why he fit well at his original time slot. He always seems like a guy who's going to be funny or 10 years from now. Like this will be everyone alike this kind of humor. Yeah, I think to fill that time slot, you really need to appeal to that, like, wholesome middle America environment, which Jay Leno is doing, I definitely did. Jay Leno, by the way, and he was fucking terrible. Yeah, I hate funny and hate Jay Leno. Jay Leno is just not, he's not funny at all. He's not the fun. The clip where someone took one of his shows, one of the 10 o'clock shows he did and took out all the product placements he

mentioned, like products he mentioned by name. This was like six minutes long of just him saying different names of products. Wow. What was one of them, T-Bow? College football joke. But the thing that I don't agree with what Conan is doing now, where he had a shot on the tonight show and you can say, well, they didn't give him enough time to really develop. He had like 130 shows. Right. 140. I was watching his monologue the other night on Hulu. It was episode 140. And I'm thinking, that's like five or six seasons of a regular television show.

But you made that argument on your journal post. And then I mentioned the number of months that the other host had been on. Johnny Carson and Jay Leno. They were on, Carson was on for like 300 months, and Leno was on for like 270. then you give you give Conan seven. That's nothing compared to what those guys guys, but still 140 chances to get fans. If if Jay Leno had come onto the show and had lost as much ratings as the change, you

know, from Johnny to Jay as Jay to Conan, Jay would have been gone in six months. Yeah, I don't know what the percentage is, but they say that, you know, Jay Leno did actually struggle a bit early on, but when you got the Hugh Grant interview after you had that scandal with the prostitute, that's what he's doing. That's what boosted his rating. And now they're saying this right now, what's going on with Conan now could be Conan's Hugh Grant interview.

Like this could be what Spurns people start watching. But nobody's watching. But nobody's watching. No, dude, his ratings have shot through the roof this week. They're watching now. Yeah, they're watching now. Yes He's still getting trounced by let him in last week in the middle of all this in the middle of all this stuff last week Yeah, his ratings had hadn't moved to blend but also like a two six every but the problem to is is Conan is going into this Having some of the worst ratings leading into his show that anyone's ever had because of J. Lino Because of J. Lino there's a

J. Lino's some stances, but still J. Lino is sinking even J. Lennon. There's a J. Lennon. J. Lennon is still. J. Lennon is sinking even like the local news is ratings. And then that's no question that J. Lennon show is bad. There's no question about that J. Lennon's bad, but J. Lennon was number one in that slot. Coney income's in that's the slot. J. Lennon show is a compromise thing that's going on with the 10 p.m. hour. You and you can't run a show existing on hope of lead in. I mean, you there has to be a reason for for people to tune in you can't just hope that they'll stay on the channel because they're already watching it And that's not a way to build an audience There needs to be a reason for people to turn in but it certainly like this show

It doesn't hurt. I'm sure it helps tremendously But it's still if it's a good show and people like it and it has a broad appeal then people will watch it They'll turn on the television. So where's Conan gonna end up Fox? I think he's on the ads. I think he's out. Yeah. No, I don't think so. I Conan will have a show on. He might end up on revision three. Well, I mean, if you say to the end of another network, sure, that's definitely a possibility. I think we'll go to the other network and not get ratings there. I think so too. And I don't think it's in his best interest to do that. I think this has killed Conan and J. Leno. I think I want to say I want to say Conan because I think this has killed Conan and Jay Leno. I think this is really, Conan has now become sort of this, it's like the head of sort of this internet generation.

Like, he has sort of taken that role. Wow, I don't know. That is like, that is a five minute title. Yeah. I mean, it's like, fireflies the television show of the internet generation. It's still the internet generation pays, first of all, a generation on the internet lasts about six months if you're lucky. I mean, there is no internet generation.

It doesn't exist. I mean, you can look at anything is popular on the internet, anything. And in seven months, nobody cares about it. It's gone. It doesn't exist. Just a quick correction. I'm looking here and the tonight show actually has doubled the ratings of Letterman. Oh, really? I'm in the and yeah, the tonight show actually has double the ratings of Letterman Oh, it's a win since what that is of last week

I remember last week. He got a two six and let him go three five. Oh, I'm looking at different numbers I'm showing tonight shows 1.8 and late show point nine 9.9 that's not even that that's not a share you're looking at it's like Neil since 25 local markets with people meters You're looking at local markets markets with people meters. You're looking at local markets? We looked at numbers last week and we said there was 300 million people in the US and 2.8 million were watching the tonight show, which was less than 1% of the entire nation and it was all the headlines. We had those numbers last week.

But here's my point that I was trying to make about Kona, which was my serious thing that I disagree with, is that he had a shop in the show, right? And he didn't get the ratings. He had seven months to try to get the ratings up. And it wasn't working. You can argue now that with the controversy of him leaving this external controversy, now they're getting ratings. Either way, it doesn't matter. He didn't get the ratings. And now he's leaving. Yeah. If the controversy goes away, then arguably, his ratings are going to go away too. Right. Right. If it keeps the show and goes on business as usual six months now, he'll be right back to where he was. Right. My problem with Conan is what he's doing to the Tonight Show, which is that is a cultural

touchstone in this country. Yep. And it is not his to dismantle it. It is not his to like do things like put it up on eBay or you know sell it off on Craigslist or anything like that or to stand up on the model and essentially sabotage the future tonight show. That's not a show. I think we did create that show. I think at the point where NBC said we're going to move the tonight show, that's when all bets were off.

I don't think that's right. Because at that point, they were changing the tonight show. And they were literally changing the tonight show. But it's their right to do it. They own it. Also, the changing is a him and his contract that's in place. I mean, we go back, we go back a year, that's when all the stuff should have been done. Yeah. And Conan should have stayed where he was and Jay should have stayed where he is. They

should have done that. And this actually has history because this has happened before with the tonight show. Yeah. In the 80s, the, the guest host or the, the, the backup host for the tonight show was Joan Rivers, Joan Rivers and everybody loved Joan Rivers and Joan Rivers was like the heir apparent if not David Letterman to the tonight show and more so than David Letter Abs more so she there was it was pretty much universally understood that she would probably take of the tonight show from Johnny Sunday and what happened people as fucking happy as hell about it because she was great because she was great she was probably better as a temporary host because of her just the way she does her comedy.

But Fox came along, they had a gap in their late night show and they said to Joan Rivers, would you like a show on our late night lineup? And she said absolutely. She took the Joan Rivers show on Fox. How long did it last? It's like two months. Maybe. I knew Joan Rivers used to be the backup poster of the night show

I've never realized that's what happened to her. Yeah, and she got a lifetime band from this night show because of that Johnny Carson Never spoke to her again. She went from yes She went from being the guest host of the tonight show air apparent to the tonight show biggest show in US history You're like the show you want to have as well. She's a host. She goes on the tonight. She goes on the Fox show John Rivershow there two months and she burned it She said publicly when Fox canceled her I could have just stayed where I was and had everything right and Fox took me in and then canceled me immediately. And basically just derailed her.

And where is she now? She's on the red carpet. I know where she is. She's on TV guide channel. TV guide channel. She's doing her red carpet stuff. Still it's from an immensely funny lady, you know. But then Carson loved Letterman. Like Carson is basically he hands-like the Letterman to be his

replacement. And then that was 1990. What I'm talking about was 1990. Yeah, I'm talking when Carson actually was stepping down though. And then somehow Letterman ended up like what he got screwed out of the job because of some reason or another or I guess. What's he getting Jay Leno? Yeah, it was Jay Leno took the job from Letterman. And here's a fun fact, you know, where you know the last time Carson appeared on late night TV, you know where it was? Yeah, it was on Letterman.

It was on Letterman. We watched it. He sat behind the desk and it was probably the one, one of the coolest things I've ever seen. Yeah, Bernie and I watched it on YouTube last week. Yeah. I don't know, we talked about this during the podcast, but Johnny Carson after he retired from the tonight show,

he disappeared. Yeah, he went to live on a boat, we never saw him again. And Jeff, you heard a really cool rumor about it. I read about it. I heard this. Letterman talked about it when Carson died. It wasn't a rumor.

Yeah, I saw the episode, like the homage to Carson on Letterman when he died. Carson was still a funny, funny guy. You know, still right now. He was still, yeah, like I don't, I don't think people realize he was a writer and he wrote a lot of the material and he was actually, he probably would have been okay

as a comic. He, after he was actually a really he probably would have been okay as a comic He uh after he left he would still write monologues for Letterman because he didn't have anything else to do sitting on that boat And he still thought a funny shit to say so he would mail in and email in like jokes to Letterman Let him use them every night on the show. Wow, and then he would he would do the like Letterman would do like the golf swing anytime I was a Carson joke. Yeah, which is kind of cool So I did not know that yeah, that's pretty cool like Letterman would do like the golf swing anytime I was at Carson Joe. Yeah, which is kind of cool. So I did not know that. Yeah, that's pretty cool. And There's an instance where NBC said tonight shows number one. There was really no other competition for it because the late show didn't exist and

They they took the attitude of well, we're not gonna mess with a good thing Jay Leno is the backup host for the tonight show. We know this works. We know this gets ratings. We know Letterman does well late night. And so they stuck with it. And guess what? J. Leno beat Letterman, you know what, 10 years. He's either more than 10 years. Yeah. Letterman never beat him.

I don't think got a year to your basis. He might have beat him on individual episodes. But Letterman was always chasing him. And by the way, I love Letterman. Absolutely. That's who I would prefer to watch in all of this. You know, it is his scandal. You know, tell you what, things to get ratings.

I mean, Letterman should have an affair, you know, once every few weeks. Or make fun of Sarah Palin's other daughters. Or have heart surgery or something like that. Yeah, so, I mean, back to Jay or Dan's point is that if you think that Conan O'Brien is being tossed off the tonight show because Jay's show is doing poorly that's not the case. This is an overall fix that they're doing and Conan is the odd man out. Yeah. He essentially

he's the biggest loser in the bunch and Jimmy found the smartest guy in the world because he's not saying a god damn deep in his mouth shut. He actually he actually come out and say he wasn't sure how to react because he's friends with both of them and he wasn't gonna pick sides. He actually, he actually come out and say he wasn't sure how to react because he's friends with both of them and he wasn't going to pick sides. He actually, I saw him on his show, you know that. Here's how you react. Getting a fetal position in your dressing room. Yeah, that's it.

Duck and cover. That's what I would do. Stay out of the way, man. Just keep your mouth shut and just keep doing your job. But sadly, I think Bernie's right, if Conan goes to Fox or wherever Conan goes, he might get some initial hype. People might be excited to see the new show you know wishing back and then in six months Conan will have the same ratings Conan's always had would you be shocked to see

Conan go to like Comedy Central that I don't think he would do I don't think Conan's gonna take any kind of a step down if he's not gonna go anywhere he doesn't need to do your network yeah I think if he's off I think the rumors are that he's gonna make forty million dollars in contract buyout yeah which apparently now is nothing because in all the moving around NBC has lost hundreds of millions of dollars. And the argument that they made when they made the Jay Leno show was that it's so cheap we can't not make money.

It doesn't matter what the ratings are. That was their big push at the time. Yeah. And now it's like, oh, we have five hours of programming every week that are doing absolutely terrible. Whoops. They were talking about on, I was gonna send the other day, I don't remember where I heard it,

but they were saying there was a lot of stuff going on behind the scenes. There was a huge guest struggle where Leno's people and Conan's people were constantly fighting over guests and Leno always won that struggle. Yeah. So, which, that doesn't help Conan at all. Doesn't help Conan doesn't help Conan apparently it helped Leno either but didn't help Leno either But then it once again, I mean Conan's in the slot the tonight show and he's still gonna get guests

Yeah, Conan goes to flak your choices and get a thing but the average audience are gonna watch Leno They're gonna watch Conan or they're gonna watch Letterman I think anybody that would watch Conan is gonna watch Letterman. Yeah, I mean, I think the audience that Conan preserved For the tonight Show was the hardcore Tonight Show audience. That's just what they watch. And they're used to watching that. And I think if you're gonna go for that brain of humor, you're probably gonna go for Letterman.

Who's kind of the happiest in the world right now. Probably so. Jimmy Kimmel seems to be there. I don't even know when Jimmy Kimmel is on. He's on it. His chest starts at 12 to 5 Eastern, so he's at 11. 11 PM show. Yeah.

So he's halfway through the tonight show he comes on. Yeah. He's got like a weird tonsilot. Yeah, it's hard for us tonight shows on, for us at 10-30 at night. Not at 11. So if Conan had accepted to start the tonight show at 30 minutes later, he'd have been going up against Jimmy Kimmel. Yeah.

And a very funny argument that was made was that he'd be on a 12-O-5. And that's literally not the tonight show. Yeah, it's tomorrow. Only for the East Coast. They don't matter. Hey, I didn't notice this yesterday, Jeff, but you have a new tattoo on your hand.

I know you said you were going to do it, but I didn't see it. Oh, yeah, I got a new tattoo. Until right now when you were sitting there. Unlike my palm, say a... Is that a bacteria? Yeah, it's a drawing of a ghost. Paramecium. Of a ghost.

Oh, it's a ghost. Yeah, it's a, I had that picture in the office, daddy in the ghosts, the milledria. It's pretty cool. It's one of the ghosts. Yeah, I like it. Cute little guy. Yeah, I saw the picture, Gryffin posted in her profile of hers.

Yeah, she got the sun and I got a ghost. Yeah, I didn't realize y'all had different ones. That's cool. Thanks. Your tattoo artist is very talented. Yeah, she didn't realize y'all had different ones. That's cool. Thanks. Your tattoo artist is very talented. Yeah, she's Millie do the tattoo. No, no, I thought it would be a cool the needle I thought it'd be a really cool thing for Millie to go because she's so in the art, you know

It's like she's kind of it's she's kind of getting obsessed actually and she just draws in paints constantly and So we went to the tattoo thing to do it from Griffin's friend and I thought that Millie would be really excited about getting to see her art and like put some place permanently. She can give a fuck. Yeah. She says.

Does she understand that like that's forever? No. Yeah, yeah, she understands tattoos. But yeah, she just didn't care. She wanted to go. Does she want to tattoo yet? She gives herself tattoos all the time. Oh yeah.

Yeah, and there's nothing I can do about it One that I came in and she had drawn all over her legs and I was like millie What are you doing and she goes I made tattoos and I was like you can't you can't do that and she looked at me and she said Mommy has tattoos Daddy has tattoos millie can have tattoos and I was like okay. That's a tough argument Yeah, I always argue against that so well I'm honestly a little surprised that she wasn't too into it. Yeah, she just didn't care.

I tried to get her excited about it. She just wanted to walk around and explore and meet people. Mm-hmm. So, where are we at, downtown or? Yeah, there was a tattoo convention over the weekend. Oh, cool. And Griffin has a really good friend who is her primary artist who lives in San Francisco and she comes in once a year

for that convention. So we went to see her So to different getting more tattoos or just just Millie one you sound you sound down do I sound down? Do you want more? Are you drained after our tonight show conversation? Yeah, it was in I'm gonna be Got it. I got off a quiet in here. It's very heated And they're all just standing on the shoulders of giants You know, I mean that's the other You know, you're 100% correct.

I mean, you look at stuff with Carson, and he's just, he was a totally different level than these guys, you know? And then Letterman following Carson, he told me they can't find late night hosts that can have a conversation. I watched that Chuck thing, because he told me to watch it with the guy

between Tom Brokaw, Chuck and Conan. Dear Lord, that was painful to fucking watch. It was like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, and it's just, give me a fucking break. And then you watch Carson with prior, Richard prior, and it's a conversation where you're in love with Richard prior by the end of it. You and I were talking about the... You can go back and watch any episode of Carson on YouTube or wherever you can find it.

It doesn't matter who he's interviewing or when it was, it will still be entertaining to you, even though it's 30 years old and completely irrelevant. The dude was talented. Yeah. There's no doubt about that. Absolutely. And Letterman's the same way. I mean, man, I'd be the same level as Carson, but Letterman's up there. Yeah. And Craig Ferguson. Let him make an interview. Ferguson's doing really, really well right now. He's getting a lot of good. I don't like Craig Ferguson for some reason. He's good. He can have a conversation with somebody. They should have put him on him on it to Jimmy Fallon. He does a 30 minute monologue a day. Does he really yeah wow as

Much as I like Conan. I really do he's a horrible interview. Yeah, he really is he can't interview and that's that's what the whole show is It's right. You get like two or three minutes of funny skits. That's fine But you have the 80% of that show is two dudes or a dude and a lady talking on a couch and if you can't do that part well, then it doesn't matter. What, why does Craig Ferguson do 30 minutes of monologue? Is he only have one guest? I think he only has one guest, yeah. Wow, it's great. It's interesting. Usually one guest in the Craig Ferguson? I don't think I've ever seen the Craig Ferguson.

I'll have to give it a shot. I watched it once or twice back in the day and didn't dig it at all. I just got really upset watching, just watching what Conan was doing the other day with the tonight show. Just like, it's not good enough that you weren't good enough for the show, now you're gonna try to take apart this franchise that everybody loves and everybody's built up. You know what I mean? I guess it's once again, it's all about him.

It's all about him and his ability not to get ratings. And that's, how many times has that story been told in television? And been told in television, you know? And I don't think he'll go anywhere. I don't think he'll go to Fox. I don't see why he would. Unless he really believes like Jack does that he's the voice of the internet generation and they're all going to follow him to Fox. The people don't even watch late night television. Clearly. Yeah. I guess maybe late night television is just a dying breed. I think it is. Yeah. I don't think it's that relevant Like you like Jack talked about earlier like we don't even really watch TV the day it comes out

Well plus like it would let me with DVR and Hulu and all this stuff like it doesn't matter what time Not even more not even that the burning I were burning. I were talking about this the other day Like when I was a kid I would always fight with my parents to let me stay up to watch the letterman and Carson and back then, like, that was really, before the internet, that was really the only way you could get any kind of insight into actors and musicians and actresses. And that was like, like, if, fuck, I don't know, somebody that you liked was on. It was a big deal because I was like,

I only get to see them once a year in a movie, or I can see Michael J. Fox, like, on Letterman, to see what he's like. And that's totally not the case now. I mean, I spend hours a day surfing celebrity blogs and shit like that. And it's like in gossip sites and it's like we just all that information is available to us all the time. So there's not as much of an impetus to go and see Will Ferrell on the tonight show because you can see Will Ferrell on funny or die all day long. Right, yeah. I guess there's definitely a lot more access.

And you're not going gonna want to suffer through how banal an entire hour of late night television is you get to one or two good moments. You just, as a viewer, you expect a more efficient experience than that, I would think. Jeff, I'm telling you this picture here. That's the rally for Conan O'Brien outside of Universal Studios.

You should, yeah, that's sad. You look at all those people, those are people who are looking for something to do. Yeah. That does not look like a sustainable audience to me. It's a bunch of people in t-shirts and they're just looking like, I wouldn't be impressed by that. I'd like to see some more pictures. There's honestly before. That's the first picture I pulled up and that's exactly what I expected to see. I would want to reserve judgment. Okay, so what is, what is, what is, what is, what is, what is, what is, what is, what is, what is, what is, what is, what is, what is, what is, what is, what is, what is, what is, what is, what is, what is, what is, what is, what is, what is, what is, what is, what is, what is, what is, what is, what is, what is, what is, what is, what is, what is, what is, what is, what is, what is, what is, what is, what is, what is, what is, what is, what is, what is, what is, what is, what is, what is, what is, what is, what is, what is, what is, what is, what is, what is, what is, what is, what is, what is, what is, what is, what is, what is, what is, what is, what is, what is, what is, what is, what is, what is, what is, what is, what is, what is, what is, what is, what is, what is, what is, what is, what is, what is, what is, what is, what is, what is, what is, what is, what is, what is, what is, what is, what is, what is, what is, what is, what is, what is, what is, what what is what is I'm just saying that over half of that picture is you know it's like a street with cars You know it's not a very good picture showing the people so so what is NBC's answer in all this like what what is in me

What does in me see gonna do a safe face in their answer is oops? They're not gonna say face. Yeah, they're the answers. They'll do what they want. They'll put Leno back on Leno won't succeed to the level that he was no, nope, nope, but, the Lino will be on the tonight show until he dies, you know? I guess. The tonight show will do okay. It'll probably not beat Letterman from here on out. So who will ever replace Lino on the tonight show? That's a great question.

I think the tonight show is permanently tarnished. It's really sad. I don't think so. No, people forget about it. Yeah, I don't think it was tarnished after the general ever seen, I don't think it was tarnished after the letterman sing. I don't think it was Tarnished after the Letterman thing. And that was a bit of a controversy. Letterman was a controversy.

But it wasn't nearly like this. You didn't have the guy on the show every night. Well, I just, I don't think it'll ever, it'll ever recover to the level that it was before this happened, before let it, before Conan took over. Well, what could, you know, I mean. I think people will forget. I think it'll, it'll be back and just fine.

In a year, no one will remember. Tonight's show did benefit for a number of years, decades, in which it didn't have any real competition for a late night interview show. And it was one of three things to watch on TV. That's a very good point. It was tonight's show or nightline, right? There were two other channels, yeah. What, what did, what did, what did CBS used to air before Letterman and like the 10 30 slot? Um, I don't know. I mean, there's a kind of remember. There's a pretty good chance. It was off the air. Yeah I 11 30 years they might have been showing like syndicated. They might have had Yeah, some sort of the rerun but it was always like in our lifetime. Yeah, but what about the 60s and 70s? Yeah, I don't know Nightlands been 80s was on ABC forever. That's something that's changing our lives

And when networks used to go off the air. Yeah TV shows would shut off or the channel would just shut off You get your American flag and you're static done for the night You think people who watch poltergeist today understand that probably not if they went back and watched it And I don't think they probably realized when they were making poltergeist that they were Focusing on something that was gonna go away. Can you even see static on a TV anymore? Uh, yeah, I have a static channel on my TV. Do you? Okay. Yeah. I don't know what it is, but I got picked up.

Huh. It's a static. We get a lot of Spanish channels, by the way, over the air now. Oh, did you hook up your... Yeah, I hooked up the antenna. Yeah. This is... look at this. Here's another picture. Okay, that's a better picture. Yeah, that's a dig need up. You know what I mean?

There's a zero hour hoodie in there. Yeah I like that you that's the one thing you spot. I would like to walk through yeah see that too and it looks good Yeah, it's a great Keep that's made that's made your man ever They literally eating pizza in the in the line here in this crowd. They're like pass-around pizza box Oh come on are you disparaging pizza now Bernie? in the line here in this crowd. They're like patching on pizza bucks. What is it?

Are you disparaging pizza now, Bernie? No, I just don't see. I mean, but isn't that the audience that NBC would love to have, that younger audience, the 18 to, I don't know, 40 year old male audience? But apparently Conan doesn't have that audience if he did, he would have raiding.

But they're all standing outside. They don't watch TV. It's 200 people are standing outside. This is a bigger deal on the internet than it is on the television show. Yeah. Because they have the t-shirts around the internet. I mean, the TV shows aren't selling t-shirts. It's people who want to just make these t-shirts to capitalize on it that are doing it.

I see these people wearing those t-shirts. No, I don't see that. I don't look at that and see a real audience at all. I really don't. I see a bunch of people who are excited to be out doing something. So they all got together. And I guarantee they organized this little meeting on the internet And then they'll just go back to the internet talk about it and then half these people won't watch the tonight show with Conan and Brian that night They won't watch it

Well, they might watch it see if they got on there. Yeah, but that's it. Yeah, they're not gonna it's not sustainable I just don't think it's sustainable I'm I'm I might be jaded at this point, but I've seen enough of this stuff go by on the internet and everyone gets very excited And then it just goes away and it doesn't fucking matter dollhouse of being canceled. Yeah, yeah gone You know, I'm fine. I'll have so it's like two or three weeks. Yeah, that was the show of the internet generation We don't know if it's true anymore. I bet nine months ago you would have said that Most important is going to show in the world. Yeah, but look who got it back the internet. It was a pretty horrible show though honestly You can say you can say family guys that show the internet generation that's still on absolutely not they thought DVDs

Family guys the show of the people who spent $30 to buy a DVD generation exactly right that show got brought back on the air because they sold a million and a half box That's hey, who cares. What's the point? What is the point? You know what I mean? It's just like I mean people's behavior is gonna change you know I mean and it won't matter they get as upset as they want to get things will be changed the way they are They'll be that way and either you either watch it or you won't watch it, but likelihood you probably won't watch it Yeah, you know 1% of America you're probably not in that category Do you care? Do you care that Conan O'Brien is going up to the show dude? There's a fucking We got Haiti happening right now

Let's say that throwing a word about that. No, but there's like actual stuff going on in the world and all I see No, I really it's annoying because like you said you were we're CNN.com if you go right now it'll be blasted with tonight's just stuff, right? Mm-hmm. And for what, what, two and a half million people out of three hundred million people in this country, it doesn't matter. Nobody really cares. You just don't watch it. Like in the last year, three hundred and sixty five days, how many times do you think you tuned in? I watched the first two shows of Conan.

I don't know if I'm talking about you. Oh, it's pretty funny. It's just like the Conan show. I probably watched most of them. You watch more late night TV than anyone I know, guys. Yeah. The problem, I think the big thing that people are getting pissed off about this is the fact

that Leno's coming back. More than anything else is like, basically NBC is saying, Conan isn't working. We're replacing him with Leno. The people like basically NBC is saying Conan isn't working we're replacing him with Leno that the people who love Conan are saying I mean well not even the people love Conan Leno in general is not a funny person and they're replacing someone Conan who has shown that he's been a very funny person at other times in the rating you know the ratings aren't showing it now but I think that's the that's the big point that people are really pissed off

about and I would agree with that. It's like, my guy is getting replaced by this shitty guy. I would agree with that. That's 100% what the solution is about. If those people thought Conan was so funny, why didn't they watch the show? Maybe they were the people watching the show. I guess. Well, in that case, then it's a super, super minority that likes Conan.

Yeah, I mean, yeah, I'm gonna accept that. Yeah. It's one of those things where, I mean, NBC really screwed up because, I mean, how many times do you see something that's bad that gets to the top like that? I mean, you can see that with a lot of comedians. Usually the most popular comedian in the country, people don't think he's funny. It's like the blandest comedian out there. Like, Dane Cook. Yeah, somebody's, somebody's going to see Caratop. Somebody's doing that. Yeah, there's a reason why Carrot Top's making a mint at his fucking live shows Right. So the guy who does the puppets who I don't even know who he is Jeff. Jenna. All I know is that people don't find him funny

But there's a reap something's going on. It's got a show. You know, it's funny. You say that I'm gonna take it in a little tangent here I when we were flying back from San Francisco on our last You know trip for making a commercial. We connected through Vegas. So the last leg of our flight was Vegas to Austin. And when we were getting off the plane in Austin, like, I guess like two guys were sitting next to each other, met on the plane and we're talking. And one of them was like, yeah, I went and saw this, uh, this, my first time ever to Vegas.

I saw this guy with puppets. These names was Jeff Dunham. He's famous for something. I don't know. Never. I never heard of him. And he did, and the other guys's like, oh really, what have I never heard of him either? What does he do? He goes, oh, he does impressions.

And the guy's like, really? He's really good. He sings all kinds of music. You know, anything you want from Garth Brooks to Brooks and Dunn. He did it all. And I was like, wow, this conversation's happening right in front of me.

I was like looking around, no one else was paying attention. No one was filming you at the time. Yeah. He's got the Brooks's covered. How about you, Jack? How much late night TV have you watched? Lately a lot. But before this, I watched, I watched the first few Conan's when I was out in L.A. Because they literally started up while I was living out in Los Angeles.

So I watched a few, like the first couple of weeks and also I didn't have a job. So I was sitting on the couch quite a bit. And then, you know, it's tapered off but I mean the late night TV I watch is daily show in Colbert rapport and then I'll do I'll catch up on my shows that I missed during the day at night like I'll watch how I met your mother whatever whatever else the office 30 rock I'll watch those at night before I go to sleep but as far as watching late night TV I don't usually do it. And but now I've been watching Conan and then part of Jimmy Fallon most nights,

like the last couple weeks. Just so I mean, because I feel bad, because like this is stuff that I enjoy, and I take for granted that it's even there, and now that I know it's not gonna be in there anymore, I feel bad about it. And I think a lot of people are going through that right now too. Okay, that makes sense.

No, totally makes sense. Conan has produced some of the funniest stuff I've seen in the last 10 years on late night. Triumph is hilarious. Triumph's hilarious. A polar came out of there, you know, and Letterman doesn't have bits like that. I mean, was it, who's the Chris Elliott was like one of the funnier things to come out of?

Yeah, he does stuff like the, like, where they sand shit down. The Grindelgirl. The Grindelgirl, he does like that kind of stuff they sand shit down the grinder girl the grinder girl He does like that kind of stuff, but his letterman's bits are always kind of there's actually a thing on an NBC now Technically they own the rights to all of that stuff that was created during cart during Conan shows of course And so like there's like an argument now like who owns triumph the insult comic dog is a rock is it smi goal or is it NBC? And so if Conan does move somewhere like masturbating bears on my NBC you know it's like that happens you know like letter make can't do throwing things off a 10 story building yeah and like I was I read somewhere like Larry Bud Melman when letter man move from CBS he had to change his name mm-hmm because they own Larry Bud Melman

that's where he uses real name as opposed to his fake one. That's nuts. That's nuts. So what you work at any job, like an engineer working at IBM, if he has a patent or invent something, he doesn't own it, IBM owns it, you know, who pays the bill gets the reward. Yeah, the person who paid you to develop all that stuff. Right. Absolutely.

Well, I want to say the person who paid to develop that, or the person who paid someone to develop that would make sense. I was gonna say. Yeah. Okay. How is your saying? I got in BC. I mean, in BC created a format with which Conan could come up with those ideas and those bits. They should belong to NBC. Yeah. And it's not like he doesn't get ratings or the bits are funny. Conan's gonna pay them back his paycheck. Yeah. I would love to see a master baiting Mayor TV show. They probably wouldn't check. I mean, honestly, would you really want to see that?

Not at all. I could see NBC trying that. Like, oh, that's what they liked on TV. They're going to let Josh Weedon develop it. Yeah. We're going through episodes. But I will say this, like, and then if you go back over the last 10 years, too.

And when I heard about interviews that I then wanted to see, they were always letterman interviews. Yes. If they were funny bits, they were Conan, and Jay Leno could care less about. I don't think they're making a vulnerable moment on product placement. Yeah. You know, Drew Barrymore and him talking about craft macaroni cheese. Like, say something that's really cool. Headlines. I can't think about Jay Leno without still remembering those cool ranch Doritos ads from like the early 90s. I still see him as a Doritos salesman. You see what Jimmy Fallon, or not Jimmy Fallon. Jimmy Kimmel said to Leno on his own show when Leno interviewed him.

Like he brought him off for like 10 at 10 or whatever. And Kimmel said, Jay, leave me and Conan alone. You've got $400 million a a hangar full of cars we have wives and kids please just leave our shows alone on Leno's own show yeah that's also Kim will try to capitalize nobody's linus not nobody's fucking with Kimmel yeah it's Kimmel trying to get ratings it's Kimmel saying like trying to drive a wedge in and I like Jimmy Kimmel no get me wrong but he's like it's him trying to insert himself into the controversy oh yeah

it's no business being there Yeah, he's a point though winner doesn't have any kids just a shitload of cars That's not a point I feel like we've we've soured everyone's mood here. Yeah, I'm yeah I'm sorry. We got a big long discussion about late-night television host And then arguing doesn't matter. Yeah, and I don't think anybody's really care about it necessarily I really don't I really don't care Okay, you know the thing Conan was doing was upsetting me the day, but that's about it Yeah, so let's end on something more positive that we can talk about and I don't know what that is

But I'm hoping somebody else can talk about it. We saw sent Cynthia Who's the chick from Madman Cynthia Hendrix? Oh, I have the golden glow. We saw her gold Kristina, Christina Hendrix. Thank you. She's Oh lady. Wow. She was spilling out of that dress I might have to replace my obligatory team Kardashian photo with a photo her something just showed up on my radar that I had not yet heard about which is a Martin Scorsese mini series for HBO. Oh, yeah, yeah, which is supposed to be something like cross between sopranos and madmen which really I'm sure they're just coming up. Well, it takes place during pro-hibition era like in New Jersey or somewhere like that. Like it's only like a boardwalk or something.

That's gonna be my new wallpaper right there. Just just pulled up her dress. Lovely designs. Which house pulling down her dress? Hey, oh. The guy that had that. See, even that, even HEO is, I mean, that's my big man. Yeah. Yeah.

God, I mean, the tonight show was such a juggernaut. It was such an experience that Ed McMahon had a whole career afterwards. Do nothing, just being him. Yeah. Showing up, being on envelopes, telling you that you have junk mail. I'm being like, yeah, big man. Hey, good, good. Thank you.

He gave people junk mail with a smile and they took it happily. Yeah, they're all excited. And he'd give you cash for gold. What the fuck is the Publisher's Clearing House? What is that? No clue. It's just a way to sell your magazines, right? Yeah.

That's all it is. You get those little stamps and then you put the stamp in the sheet and then you get that magazine. And then your neighbors get lots of magazines. They still have that? I would assume. I remember when I was a kid. But they still do what they know.

I'd always see commercials for that. But I don't feel like I could see the commercials for that really anymore. They still do something like it when I was a kid when I just do what I'd always see commercials for that But I don't feel like I see the commercials for that really anymore. They still do something like it I've seen a commercial least to always get those like you get the letter that was like you've made it to the fourth round Mm-hmm if you fill out this piece paper you virtually guaranteed to make it to the fifth round Did they invent the giant check? They you know that's a good question. They might have heard that start with like golfing tournaments I don't know I just remember when I was a kid made show up at somebody's door unannounced and they give them the giant check for two million dollars

I think this is the greatest thing. He gets balloons Can you start paying us in giant checks up your work? Yeah, that'd be awesome I'm gonna try to like a two-a-bank and actually try to catch the giant jack that would be fantastic Should have stuff into one of those ATM deposits You could go to a giant ATM I wonder if you I wonder if you could have bank Americans say I want a giant check a two-foot by six-foot check I want that but I want to be legal tender knows no why not why not I'm not gonna make that the bank of America man they can do they'll need 40 billion dollars from the US government and they can do it yeah I'm billion dollars from the US government and then they can do it. Yeah

I'm trying to see if I can find a place to buy a giant check online. How are our trophies coming? Oh, I'm glad you asked We're there they should be ready very soon. We're we we have to order a part from eBay for them I don't want to spoil it, but as soon as our part from eBay gets in we're We'll be done As soon as we drink that part, we can't carry it out. Then they'll be right at the go. I also want to point out that Bungie is doing a benefit

for the victims of the Haiti disaster, anything that's bought in the Bungie store. I'm paraphrasing here from memory. That's owned by Bungie. That is owned by Bungie. They will donate the proceeds of that or some portion of the proceeds. I think it's all the proceeds.

It's all the proceeds. It goes to relief funds for the victims of the Haiti earthquake. And they also have the special shirt too. They have a special shirt they made for, a super intended shirt, and they're also doing a play date where they will donate money for everyone who plays Halo Wednesday or Thursday of this week. You can get the official times at Bungie.net. It is 12 o'clock 1 a.m. Pacific time Wednesday through 11 o'clock to 9 p.m. Pacific time Thursday.

Okay. Great. And it's for every thousand people, they will donate $100 up to $77,000. So go ahead and how many people they have to hit that they get the max? 770,000 people. We can do it. Not be hard for them. And you'll have to go on bungee.net and see you have to change your avatar, your, your emblem. Do you think me, I believe it is? Yes, I'll have the circle. And the colors have to be specific though, right?

Yeah, they've got to list that out exactly. Oh, and dump it. It's like seven steps. Anyway, we'll have more information on the site at RiverSyBlue.com slash drunk tank or roosterteat.com slash drunk tank. And we're also going to be having a community play date where on Thursday night at 8 p.m. central until 10 p.m. we're all going to be on playing Halo 3 as well or Halo ODST but probably Halo 3. I'm thinking some Griffball getting some matchmaking. That's a good idea.

Yeah, that's a very good idea. I'm playing Griffball forever man. And I can't wait to get destroyed by some people who are really good. So hit us up us up in the joint tank form if you want to try to schedule a time to play a game. We'll do our best to accommodate everyone otherwise. We will see you on Xbox Live this Thursday at 8 p.m. Central. Yeah. I'll be there. Hala. Alright, so I guess we should wrap it up.

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