Rooster Teeth Podcast - Rooster Teeth Podcast #56

Episode Date: April 7, 2010

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Twisted metal, streaming now, only on Pika. Hey, what's up? Welcome to the instrumental podcast. Yeah, what was that? Oh, who turned that one in? He didn't leave a username, but he left a very... No words at all, that ain't it. The subject was, Roxinth, well-produced instrumental. So he knew he had gold when he sent it to us. Nice. He also got after Bernie for being a little anti-British. Yeah, well-fuck the Brits. Yeah, it's a little ridiculous. You don't only get away with irony for so long before it becomes boring stereotypical and slightly offensive. He's obviously never met Gavin or Ben.

So shame on you guys for being so anti-British. Unlike you sir, I'm not well produced. Can you call yourself well produced? Can you call your own stuff? It's very well produced. Hey, he did it. You know, he just threw it out there. You can't do anything about it That's pretty much how puffed I got famous, right? I just told people he was good. It's like the lady Gaga syndrome. Hey, I'm famous

Yeah, you're famous. You know, I got called out last week for being anti gay as well. Did you really? Yeah, I did how dare you as a gay man I take offense to that Because secretly gay man, you just not having any luck. You're just offending everyone, aren't you listen? I Secretly gay man, you're you're just not having any luck. You're just offending everyone aren't you listen I still said I could barely fuck a butt last night I'm done Jeff starting up, but I got restarted I'm super pro gay though Here's what I got called out. I got called out because I said I talked about girls who kiss at parties and that our guys Gonna start doing that too I hope like is that the trend where things are headed? Yeah. And I think they

thought that I was equating girls kissing at parties to actually being gay. I don't think the girls that kiss at parties in front of guys who are screaming, I don't think they're actually gay. I hate to break anybody's bubble. Yeah, no, just like the lesbians on Howard Stern show aren't really lesbians. What? Yeah. I know. I'm sorry, buddy. Oh, no, it's in fake. If you're blonde and 36.2D, no i'm sorry buddy oh no if you're blonde and thirty six double d probably not really a lesbian different totally different territory but i got i got called out on that and i was that i wasn't even speaking about actually sing sex kissing is being gay

you know people who do that for attention that's it that's not yet yet no that's attention-horring you know exactly that's what i was going to call that on it because i was editing the podcast after we were done you know i listened to that Yeah, no, that's attention-horing. You know, it's all that. Exactly. Yeah, that's what I was talking about. It's when you got called out on it, because when I was editing the podcast after we were done, you know, I listened to that section, and I paused and I thought, you know, is this, and I gazed at something, I said, and I relisted to it just to be safe.

I was like, no, it's not. I will say that I do think it is a double standard that it's cool for girls to kiss at a party, but not cool for guys to kiss at a party. I don't think it's cool for you. Like, guys should be able to attention-horage just as well as women. You and I did it

You and I have kissed on a few occasions and in front of a CNN camera. That's true We did we kiss in front of the CNN you know that interview a CNN and they cut it whose anti-gay now. Yeah CNN Yeah, Wolf Blitzer you guys are gay No We got some photos. We definitely are attention-horroring though. So I guess I just just go to your point Bernie But I don't exactly let's cut out the attention horse That's what I want to get rid of the attention horse at parties where everyone stands around and whoops It's just let's be done with that. Okay, let's just absolutely everybody be happy and comfortable with it But when you talked about it being a double standard, it's actually kind of reversed in a way because remember all the movies in the 50s

Like with Jack lemon where the guys would dress up as women and even on like network television it's always a big deal when the two male cast members kiss in like the fifth season or sixth season. That seems like that always happens in every sitcom. The only only time I can remember two guys kissing on television was that Adam Lambert thing which turned into a whole scandal and no, it's part of the sitcom. It's part of the sitcom. Like you. Like you.

Like you. Like you. Like I couldn't obviously think of it. Did the Buzzen buddies ever kiss? Gary Coleman and Mr. Drummond. But like it seems like starting live now too. That's a major part of the season. There's been a lot'm guy kissing in this and all this year. It's pretty awesome Do you see this act from Galvanakis one? No, that's great

Though I thought that it was in another one of the kiss family ones one of the families overly affectionate. It was yeah And they were super ones That exact Galvanakis with like a Greek orthodox priest or something like that. It was pretty damn funny That sounds awesome. I haven't seen that so this is I'm good. I'm not a gay, but please don't give me started on minorities. So you know, we, you know, despite all the talk that we've been having so far, we actually do have Excalibur fourth sitting in the podcast. I just want him to speak up. Say, say, say, I'll say, I'll look for what up. Yo yo. Alright, there you go. It's a gangster home.

Okay. So, you're going to go back to sleep no money. Monty's first words ever heard of, remember the company where, what up yo? A little bit. So, yeah, we got money in the podcast, who is our most recent hire, I guess it was Mr. Keith, who's helping us work with on Reburs of Blue Season 8. You know, Jack is on a jet blue flight today. New York to see crisis two.

You know, I would imagine that's the way you actually would play crisis two, is that it's system requirements would be so intensive that you have to fly to a different city to actually look at it. There's no computers in Texas that can handle crisis two. Is it in crisis two on console now? Yeah, it's going to be on console. Is it? I think so. It looks like crisis to unconsol yeah, it's gonna be unconsol Is it I think so it's fucking good. It's almost like it's on marketing campaign that you can't play this game

It's true. You think it's like I didn't even make crisis to it's like a shell company run by like in video or a ti Like sell new video cards. It's like make the most ridiculous game you can so everyone has to buy new video cards All right, I think it's a fucking conspiracy. I wanted something here. There you go, buddy It's a tip of the iceberg What's what is it though? Like what is the game? Have you played it? I've never played this in FPS I mean it's like a halo competitor. I mean guys and power suits, you know guys in power suits I think they got kind of something similar to the loadouts Right where you get to power power guy up and speed.

Like the game fucking you boot it up. And it's the first thing that it says is maximum game. And then you load up certain things like you want to be super strength. And then the game it says the maximum power. And then you get your armor turns red and then suddenly you're super strong shit. And you just tell the game, I want to win maximum victory. And then you don't have to worry about it. Maximum buttons.

You get maximum, maximum is the question. But what is it? Because when I look at Screech, it looks like a military FPS. But it looks like Far Cry. It's a military FPS, and you're in these power suits. You know what we can do? Is it jungle island base? You know what it's like?

It's like that Far Cry? We can read. that's what I'm saying. It's like predator. Where like you're you're you're going to this base and you're doing this normal like infiltration type thing against like the Korean army and then suddenly they're aliens right? That way the Koreans are aliens. No no no no you're fighting like Korean soldiers. I always suspect it. And then suddenly there's like these aliens that show up and shit. And they're working with the Koreans are against them and they start kissing it. Is it three-on-three? I don't fucking know. Well, that was very informative. Thank you Here's no, here's what I know this is crisis to by money. Oh

There's a guy in a power suit and he's maximum any fights creating It might or might not be set on a jungle somewhere. No, that was me. That's a lie. Why don't we just wait till Jack comes back in next week and ask him. That's probably a good idea. Yeah, I like money. I like money.

The first nothing Jacky comes back. Let's make that game. The first the first game company I worked at my lead producer was like the lead designer on that game. He told me all about it. I just don't remember. So what do you think like me the lead designer game where like the sky is the limit You know what well. Let's worry about efficiency. No forget that. I know that we're trying to solve video cards here guys

And didn't they they spun off the engine that was one of those games that cry tech was the engine that ran crisis And far cry and oh and far cry. not all makes sense wow is that true yeah it's all right I know that I knew that far cry was the cry tech engine and that came after crisis nope yeah I think far cry was five five cry first then crisis and now far cry two okay yeah far cry two was the 360 game how does devil make cry fit into And we've talked about crisis before because wasn't that developer the one that said 90% or 95% of their multiplayer matches were played by pirated copies of the game. Yeah, I think that's it

Mm-hmm. So I'm such a ridiculously high statistic. Don't you bullshit? You don't think it's true or you don't think no, I think it's bullshit that that's the bullshit. You don't think it's true or you don't think... No, I think it's bullshit that that's the case. You don't think it's cool. I don't think it's cool at all. Not cool at all. Makes me mad, makes me sad. Makes me think of that kid from PAX.

Yeah. I guess who I guess turned himself in after being on the lamb. What the fuck, a genius. He was hiding out in fucking multiplayer and not a warfare team. They'll never look for me here. What the hell was that again?

I'm camping. Yeah. I'm a fucking multiplayer model warfare team. They'll never look for me here. What the hell is that again? I'm camping. Yeah. I'm camping. I'm camping at Spock. I'm a Warp the Amodum. Catch me, Coppast. I think he turned himself in, and I think he has his new arrangements like on May 19th or something.

Wow. Well, good luck to everybody involved. Yeah. So we, yeah. You think they were throwing the book at him I guess they didn't add any charges. What did they they listed the value of the code at six million dollars? I think so is a six million dollar theft. I did just like that. He's like the pink Panther. It's like a jewel thief You know what? Yeah, he's doing broad daylight. Yeah, I'm like suspended himself on wires

I don't know who said it, but every time I look at this kid now, I can't I see Harry Potter Like Daniel Radcliffe to me. I think me It gets the biggest nerdiest balls ever Yeah, that's pretty big balls if he didn't you know he didn't He admitted to doing it at the show Yeah, allegedly, you know, allegedly right? He said allegedly, there's one thing I've learned Allegedly he's told everyone that he was stealing the game Allegedly

Allegedly, only half the expo hall heard allegedly Yeah, there were a lot of witness accounts I think we'll be okay allegedly he might come here and steal something from us I'm gonna give a shout out to Brandon because he's not here today But he was the guy who produced and direct mostly directed The immersion short that we did and he did a great job didn't even get to go see people see alive He didn't know we we had to put him up in the projector booth to like doing traffic control since we didn't know what we had or what we know what we were showing. He was there. We put him there with the projection and we were coordinating via text message

as to what was being shown next and like what we're gonna do. Yeah, because we had the premiere of the red versus blue season last week on Thursday. That was a lovely time. And then you guys went to the Alamo and did a show in person there. A wonderful audience of how many people? Like 250? About 350, I think. Oh, 350, wow. Yeah, whatever the theater capacity is, I think it was like 350.

How old? So it was old out. It was great. We had a lot of fun. Yeah, I'm always nervous that it's not going to sell out and there's going to be like half the theater's going to be empty. It's a really awesome audience. There were some people that came from along.

Like somebody came from Chicago, somebody came from Chicago somebody came from like Wisconsin a lot of people for high oh yeah they're people from all over it's really cool there's one woman drove up from corpus for their kids that's true not as far as other not as far as those two hours they were super nice though yeah just to see RVB that's crazy thank you Mon, Monty. Yeah great. You know what it is. Oh Monty. All right. So today, I guess unofficially, this is the one year anniversary of the start of our weekly podcast. What? What? Awesome. We did. We started on April 10th of last year. You did. Wow. Really? Yeah, and it's it's April April 7th today. Yeah, we started putting the podcast out yeah

okay but we had been doing them for a while before we we never we didn't want in December nations and we never released them we're because we're selling we have like some kind of weird library if you want to ask for them I'm sorry but we never we didn't keep them but we did like we did seven or eight or more before we ever released one they were so so terrible. We didn't even worth hitting like the save button No, absolutely. Do you remember how that process would work? We would come in here. We'd sit down with the microphones We'd talk for about 15 or 20 minutes and then we just look you can go fuck this. Yeah So believe I actually downloaded our first podcast a little earlier today

I was gonna listen to it before we came in but I ran out of who was was on it, you know, no, I don't remember where they really that bad Yeah, they were pretty terrible. Oh, we saw our test runs. We're trying to figure out the process We we have a philosophy which is we kind of violated a little bit with immersion where you should do something at least six times before you put it out there Yeah, you know that's whenever anyone asks for you know the starting web series what what should they do? We always say make six episodes before you put out the first one you know because then you'll have them and then we're like why would I do that so when you're not really just making a web series every day before I have six of my wife I jack off six times first number seven that's the golden one she's number seven yep lucky number seven gonna practice gonna get out of your system you wouldn't right do that we were knowing you that you would like cross borders

Kind of like how you got to Austin cross borders I think that's a new idea for a web series. That's how that thoughts But yeah one year it's crazy that we've been doing it this long I feel like it's I feel like we've been doing like four or five months I can't remember one goddamn thing we've talked about. Wow. And you know, I think the only person in the office who listens to the podcast aside from Bernie and I is probably Monty. So if anyone could tell you what we've talked about, probably. Right, I had like a podcast spree when I knew it was going to be working here. I listened to it for like all the back order of whatever episodes there were.

How many? Kevin Company while I was working because like it's helpful. Must have been terrible. Yeah. That's not a good company. It's always interesting. Twitter has one cool functionality that tells me what people are doing while they're

either listening to the podcast or watching RVB. You know what would you guess would be the number one activity that people are doing while they're watching RVB DVDs? If your guest was folding laundry, you would be correct. Really? We're the laundry folder. I guess so. It's like, people fold laundry and put on the red versus. So we need to corner like a video on demand service that targets laundromats. I get that would be great. I think we're on a new business model

here. Do you remember those old places where you're like in the airport, where you go sit in the chair and they had coin operative. I have a, I shouldn't say I, my wife has a great idea for a laundromat business. Be like a laundromat that also was a bar. So you can get drunk while you do your laundry. I think you have coffee houses better that way. Yeah, yeah. What can you get drunk on coffee?

No. That's true. I don't know. I think I could. There's something about the caffeine that's in coffee. I can drink 20 diet coax in a day. If I drink one cup of coffee, I'm just insane by about 4 p.m. I think that's purely psychological. No, I just know it's physical. It really is because I want you

I'll try to figure out what's wrong with him. Oh, yeah, I had a coffee at 11 a.m. I'll try to avoid giving Bernie coffee if he asks for it. Yeah, you know, or I'll get him the smallest one possible. I would drink more tea If they didn't serve tea at possible. I would drink more tea if they didn't serve tea at 190 degrees. It's pretty brutal. Or if it didn't look like it's probably it's probably hotter than that isn't it? Well, money. I don't know. Money, I just, you know, you know, tea looks like piss. No, it's maximum. He looks like piss. Okay. So we get the things that Monty eats versus what the rest of everyone else in the office eats. I love coffee. I'd tell you that. I'm gonna miss the cafe downstairs

So how was anime Boston money? Did you went there after packs? All right. Yeah, so like tax no packs was awesome Tax was awesome, but as soon as anime Boston was done I just started my my girlfriend was big like bugging me for months to build their costume I'll build the costume god damn it. It was like a week between packs and anime Boston I built the costume and that was the highlight because I built through this awesome costume and what was it costume up there's a female version of a male final fantasy character which one who squal a lion heart okay and it was hot it was very hot and we got stopped every like two feet people want to take pictures it was very cool I actually got recognized sometimes which is odd because no one ever recognizes me

did you see I guess today you haven't done it yet have you Jeff the USB memory support for the 360 camera? No no no I haven't done it because I don't have a you I think I hopefully Bernie ordered me one a little while ago. I did not. I asked you to. I said I'll take whatever you get and you were like okay. I didn't order myself one if I make you feel any better. Okay cool. Well I got busy trying to post a news post to our front page which takes about 45 fucking minutes. They can really do that in a software update. That's crazy Yeah, it's amazing what they can do You know, what's interesting about it too is that the gust was wondering why they killed the third-party memory adapters

And now it seems like they've just gone completely the opposite direction right completely up The line that they they told on that was that you put save data on something that you can then take off and plug into a computer easily, it's going to allow for save gaming and for it's like a back door into the system right? Right. And so they just added a portable hard drive to your Xbox. It seems very weird. It seems like it's the same thing like having a third party memory unit that you know

fits that same form factor is just the same as plugging in the USB drive at this point. Yeah. So I mean, I'll do they are they gonna reenable support for this third party memory units now? Or do you have to get an adapter to be able to plug them into the USB port? You know, is that acceptable? Like a third party memory adapter going into USB port versus the memory? Do you think it's just a port issue? Like maybe? I don't know where the line is drawn. Yeah, I don't know. And we had them and they became obsolete on us yeah you bought them like the week before they they got sat down we did we really did we just wanted the more storage that was it didn't it weren't weren't those essentially just like little sand

disc like little SD cards inside of a a shell yeah I think so yes they were can't you just take those out and have a card reader and just stick that in as your memory yeah we could I chose you to say that now you can buy a USB adapter so we can put those little memory cards in now. So you can just go out and buy it. XR, you have those. Was it in like preparation for this? That they stopped supporting their card?

Like it would make sense though. Why would they kill it? So then it really doesn't make sense. Why would they kill one to then allow it in a different format? Maybe they didn't want a third party company to scoop their new feature. No. But they're already doing it. Yeah, yeah, I don't know. I mean, that's that's I mean, just scoop it. I don't know. I'm afraid that it would steal the thunder. The people would be less excited about buying the Microsoft Sandisk 16 gig memory cards.

But it seems like they're not really pushing that. They don't care. They didn't just open up the software update doesn't just open up Compatibility for that. It opens a compatibility for everything. That's true, but they are launching to Microsoft USB drives next month. Yeah, what are those going to be? Those can be hard drive or flash drives. I don't know Interesting. I don't know Xbox 360 branded USB flash drive. There you go Is that eight they're doing that eight in a 16 year grade? I don don't see the specifics anywhere. I just see the initial announcement about it. Yeah, I think once 40 and 170 and the most you can put these in is 16 gigs right and you can have up to two devices connect to the console at a time Wow, so what was the most before? Uh, 512 max.

Yeah, okay, so I wonder now this can be significant for us. You'll still be able to use your memory cards the existing ones Yeah, and you'll be able to be able to have USB as well. Can you have in two memory cards and two USB devices? This won't be relevant to anybody else in the world, but it'd great for me if I want to switch characters between boxes. I think so. It looks like it.

Yeah, that'd be cool. You'll probably need a hub though, because there's only three ports on the 360. No, I have two memory ports, and I have two USB ports. Oh, I see. I see. So I could probably spread stuff out. Could we, you know, for production purposes,

could we now rip the Halo 3 ODS T multiplayer disc to one of those flash drives, along with all the maps and everything? Yeah, you could, but you would still need the disc in the drive in order to play it. Oh, right. And we could just as easily do that to the hard drive, which we do.

Right. OK. Yeah. Because if we don't want to sit there here, they'll hear the disc spin all day. Yeah, if it even DRMS sign Your your box, you know, you're disc to one box the way you can do with with arcade This would get around my laziness of my desire for a multi-disc Xbox 360 changer

Oh man, but start on that again. You know, they did limit this 16 gigs. Why would they do that? That's a really good question like why it seems like a very arbitrary number, right? Or that they just don't want to get up and compete with their own 20 gig hard drive, what comes with it. Yeah, do they still sell the 20 gig hard drive? I don't think they sell it. They just sell 60s and 125s, right? I think it's 250. I think it's 120 and 250. 120. I think you can get an Xbox 360 arcade with no hard drive. You can get an Xbox 360 elite with 120 or you can get the new 250s that are coming out now. I don't think there's a 20 gig model anymore. I need to get one of those 250s And I definitely need one of these USB drives. I think I'm gonna hold off for the Microsoft one

Really, I think I'm gonna go take a look and try to get one USB drive later today I'm a sucker for like officially branded products. Well, there's nothing wrong with that I mean you you're sticking like all the same manufacturer. I can appreciate that. Yeah. It's like, uh, you just know you're getting owning all Apple devices, which I'm also working on. Hey, speaking of that, my iPad shipped last night.

I'm very excited. Did it come all the way from Shanghai? Shanghai Canada. Canada kit. Canada kit. I ordered, I actually ordered my iPad while I was on a plane in the air, on the way from Chicago to Austin, because we had we had Wi-Fi well aren't you just a fucking high roller? No, not at all. I'm just saying I had nothing else to do and I was like I wonder if this is dangerous

I know that you have to do so I spent $500 on a plane what's one to you? How about the cheapest one they have have you used it yet? No it's shit yesterday. Oh shit. Yeah. I hear shit that thought of it, you know arrived Yeah, it shipped it They put it in a portal machine. Yeah, for your aperture science is shipping all Apple products now I mean like why is it such a big deal of something shipped? It's not here. It's just a past iPhone You applied and then put in water overnight You bought the cheapest one to have which would be the 16 gigabyte Wi-Fi one Wi-Fi only version for 499

Yeah, I think you made a mistake. I may have made a mistake But I'm pretty sure that they'll come up with a new version next year that's gonna blow the current one away anyway And it'll probably have a camera and why do you think you made a mistake though? So if I'm gonna buy a new one next year anyway when I get the cheapest one this year Okay, I also didn't buy it for me about it for my wife. Oh, it's fucking thin Yeah, it's it's a it's really I've seen some cool stuff and there was some idiot, of course, just like with any other major tech launch, there's some fucking dope who think he's gonna be original by going in, buying it, walking outside and guess what

he did. You gave it to someone. What? Yeah, I smashed it in front of everybody. Why do people think that's original? I have no idea, man. I don't understand why he was smiling like a fool Like is that to brag that you can afford to just destroy $500 in front of you I think it's a fight you know just to get get to the

Who's a dude who's like in line and I've had sold out right in front of him And he's like that motherfucker broke one, but why do people why do people? Why do people have to be disruptive in the first place? But what and why is it original? Like I'm sure the guy thinks it's an original idea we've seen that he's PS2 days. Like doubt he thinks it's an original idea. I'm sure he's just copying it. He's the first guy to do it. It's the same people go to the kids waiting in line to get the new Harry Potter and shout out the ending to them you know it's just dumbasses that's what it is.

What started that for you? But it was the first thing you remember being spoiler-ish where people would try to ruin it it was book six of Harry Potter really yeah I remember oh you are trekk 2 really rathacan I don't I don't get upset by spoilers what was it what was a spoiler and Rathacan uh spoiler alert congress Kirk's father spot spot guys at the end all right I forgot about that and people came out of the theater talking about it and ruined it for everyone else in line waiting to see the movie nice he died That's not guys at the end. All right, I forgot about that. And people came out of the theater talking about it and ruined it for everyone else in line

waiting to see the movie. Nice. He died? Yeah. Yeah, at the end of Rothcombe. But they brought him back though, I remember. Yeah. Against the glass.

It's like Red versus Blue. Hey, don't, don't even draw. You are an always will friend. So it's our playout. So when are we releasing Redes blue this season it's every Monday at 9 p.m. Central right? Which is negative six GMT. Negative six GM figured out you're fucking self. And the

reason why Gus is saying that is because people constantly will ask us in comments and in email, Hey, I know you wrote it's 6 p.m. Central time. Can you please tell me what it is in my time zone? I live in Atlanta. And it's like no, we really can't tell you what it is So now we have a way to do that. We can we just don't want to you

You're not figured out yourself. We can't do it in hundred times Yeah, I can't subtract one or three or something from that. They just don't know people don't know their time zone They don't know how are they? Why don't people know time zones? I don't know. I don't know. Can I see a question? Do you understand time zones? I think that I do. Yeah What do you understand time zones? I think so. What's the trick question? I mean I understand time zones too. What's their understand? Okay? So what we've done is if that ever comes up and you go to the page now it'll have a countdown and the countdown is Relative to you right this countdowns are not dependent on time zone

So if the day of the launch you don't have to ask when it's coming out, it'll have a little countdown. When the head's zero, then the sight crashes. And if it says the, if it says the website comes out in 17 minutes, that's not 17 minutes minus six. That's 17 minutes. So, guys, are you committing to 10 minutes after crash? I think it took about 40 minutes on the night of the premiere.

10 minutes is pretty good. I think we did the Alamo drink beer and have a time. You were all getting the link of the premiere 10 minutes is pretty good I think the almo drink beer I think the movie theater. I figured if it was still broken when I left and I'd look at it Oh, we like the only ones who like do like regular releases like on a timely basis online Yes, that that was close and ironically that was the idea of the guy who's in charge of keeping the servers up and running That was his idea me. I'm sorry. They was the idea of the guy who codes the stuff No, no, yeah, it was not I was the one against it the guy who codes it it was his idea the guy who has to make it work No, not his idea because I remember hearing about that for like previous season

I thought hey, that's cool never thought about how much it like must kill the servers and shit I don't know how I feel about it because the internet is that's something we the internet works Sure, but it's it's nice to have that consistency like I know the loss will be on to my at eight o'clock Yeah, I'm nine PM Eastern. It's like that's like TV, you know, what we're used to you guys have been to Hawaii now I have watch football games at Wow, I always feel bad for people who live out like in LA when we do workout there We'd be on there in the weekend like god these people have to get up You know start watching football at like nine a.m. We're 10 a.m. Hawaii. Geez. I never thought about watching football in Hawaii Yeah, it sucks. It's like all the soccer hooligans the good end of the dough at like 9 a.m. or 10 a.m. Hawaii jeez. I never thought about watching football in Hawaii. Yeah, it sucks. It's like all the soccer hooligans the good end of the dough at like 5 a.m.

Yeah, all the displaced Europeans here whenever the world cup is on I mean they're up it's four in the morning Yeah, it's soccer drunk a shit like 5 30. Can they can they serve it that in Texas? We are weird alcohol. Yeah, I think he can like a gust and I have seen World Cup games at like Irish pubs here at like six in the morning And there'd be people just hammer. Yeah, you close But you have to close and last calls at two but when can you reopen like what's what's the law there? I don't know right if you have to stop serving it to when can you start? Yeah, when could you could you stop it to and then start again at two thirty, you know It's got to be pretty early because trudies's, Trudy's, Trudy's Central by the college,

they have 7 a.m. happy hour, where they serve like Mexican martinis and booze and stuff at 7 a.m. And it's a big deal with a lot, like if you ever go into Trudy's at 7 a.m., you'll see a ton of people in like, O.R. scrubs getting hammered, because they all like got off the midnight shift

or whatever and they go and have like, they're after work cocktail at seven in the morning. Alcohol, sales in Texas are 7 a.m. to midnight with a local option for two a.m. How do you do it, Jeff? How do you do it? How do you really naturally figure out a way to fit in the conversation about local eateries every week?

I love it, love it. I love my town, dude. It's organic. It's just like, I couldn't even tell how we got into that conversation. I'm good. You're right there with trudies. I'm right. I'm ready the local place you eat the the new like Chalantro barbecue or whatever I didn't mention that but bam they come So you have you guys seen the new thing about that they've recently introduced a new credit that describes

What it is that we do that we are trans media producers the fuck is that yeah, that's the new credit like instead of director or producer It's trans media and who came up with that the producers guild of America. Oh the pga nice Transmedia It's just a cover video game producers and internet producers and everything else is that to like Do they do that to like differentiate us from movie producers? They feel like what we do is in important. And if we call ourselves producers, they don't want us in the same boat. I probably. I mean, it's just, you know, credits are, it makes sound like weird thing, but credits can become become a very important thing down the road

if something makes, you know, a lot of money. And there's residuals. It's like, you know, union thing where it becomes, credits are very important thing. One of the most important credits is a created box. Created box, yeah. That's an important one. But here we want to read the blurb here. Yeah, here. The producers Guild of America Board of Directors

announced today that they have approved the addition of TransMedia Producer to the Guild's Producer Code of Credits. This is a quote. The Guild's decision to expand the Code of Credits to recognize the TransMedia Producer underscores the changing media landscape and the critical role of the producer within the new creative mediums said PGA president Marshall her skivots anybody Technology evolves. It's no longer adequate to think of a project as simply a television show or a movie

We now understand that the audience will want to experience the content across several platforms online mobile video And demand blue ray and now iPad and now iPad and now I'm like this guy. I played white trans I don't know you know that you crossed across this is a good time to bring it up But I think I'm due for a promotion right now my business card Sam vice president of napping and I'd like to be promoted to director of moon based operations If that's okay, you're done I second What are the current policies we have are she's everyone gets to make up their own title You can make whatever you want. It's true. I think Ben is the only guy who actually made up a real title for himself What is it? It's like CIO or like something like that right? He made like director of social media and marketing direction

I think that's it. I think that's it. Where? I'm CIO. He's our chief information officer. Where do I go to write that down? Once you wouldn't get a business card, just fill out whatever you want. All right. What is yours, Jeff? Corporate banana. I think it's still. You stuck with that for seven years.

I'm, yeah, I do the same thing here every day. My job is consistent. See, I just, I promote myself. I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, Climb that corporate letter. I'd be executive something executive something Easy the same thing every day you've got like a cheap and hundred. That's not wasn't here when you started No, I was just kidding around but you're absolutely correct money. It's not a real thing Doesn't matter you do bring up an interesting point Jeff might be the only corporate banana in USA So heaven forbid if you ever get laid off you might have trouble finding another corporate banana positions, too

I've to So, having for a bit, if you ever get laid off, you might have trouble finding another corporate banana positions, too. You have to broaden my horizons, go for like corporate watermelon. You might have to go work at like Chiquita Banana or something. I have something I really am very should-mit about television. And that is for too long, I was far too old to think this. I thought that when you turned off TV, it stopped. You're fucking idiot. This is like last week or anything. This is like what I was like,

and for years I was so mad at my brother because I was like, I turned the TV on. I'm like, when did you turn on the TV? He's like, what are you talking about? I said, it was, you know, whatever was on TV, you know, super friends or whatever. And I shut it off. I know, Superman was talking to one woman.

And mom had me go do something and I shut it off. So you must turn the TV on, I guess, you're a fucking fool. And I think it's one of the things Superman was talking to one woman and mom had me go do something and I shut it off so you must have turned the TV off and say, I'm like, I'm fucking fool. And I think it's one of the things for my brother to let me believe it, hoping that I would embarrass myself in public at some point.

That's pretty much your whole childhood though, is your brother letting you think stupid things. He was amazing. Yeah, he was good at that. His ability towards me as a kid was just unrivaled on a psychological level. I mean, he would do me. We was like a right-of-pass we were kids to watch Dawn of the Dead and we was like a VHS

tape that got passed around and I think I was probably 11 way too young to see Dawn of the Dead. That is way too. But it was like so she was like the worst movie ever made in band. It was like you remember faces of death when people would talk about that? Yes. Like band in seven states. Yeah or that was legal in Pakistan. So you had to go watch it But we watch don't of the dead watch the whole thing and don't of the dead is so freaking campy You know, it's super super it wouldn't qualify as a horror movie. I don't think today Yeah, but uh, so I watch all of dawn of the dead and that's what that was what Rock solid

Made me afraid of zombies like to my core that movie I don't know what it was just the idea of that whole thing and it probably was because in the movie Crediture rolling where you sit there. I'm wide-eyed and my brother my older brother turns me goes you know that really happened right? Because yeah, that really happened. That's a true story and that's what this is based on because the army fixed it But they don't know what caused it can happen to get any time All for you. Hold it your I was 11 and he was like 15 or he was 13 at the time and he told me that I Believe that until I was probably 16 years old To this day I'm frightened the hell of zombies. I know what is I'm I'm a, I'm, I'm, I'm an old man now.

I look out my window at night and see the street. I expect to see something shambling down the street. Give me that when you look at your front window. All the time. I don't like looking at the street at night. If I get up in the middle of the night till I get a glass of water, go to the bathroom or whatever, I have to go to the front of the house

and I have to look out my window to make sure that there's nothing creepy in the front yard. You know where like, and I stand there for about three minutes going, all right? It's because it's clear, it looks good. Do you know where like, when you stand there for about three minutes going, all right? There's no close-up clear. It looks good. You know where like, when you're as cemetery-ish to your Bernie,

like do you keep track of these things? I do. I know when I look at houses that are near them, yeah. I know that, yep. We've got that big one by our. I know. I know. I think you should think about it like in terms

of like hospitals versus cemeteries and stuff like that. Oh, we're fucked. We got both. We got like two hospitals right by us, too. Three hospitals. That's not cool One of them is a little kids hospital too. I'm gonna say some of my brother did to me that was torture It's kind of a visual thing, but I'll describe it as best I can see you think you're Take your thumb and your forefinger and just making the smallest distance apart that you can

And I was doing that one day and I said to my brother I go look look how look how close my finger is to my thumb, but they're not touching I go it's really it's hard because you're fingers kind of shake just a little bit. The smaller that distance, I go look at that. And I'm in the driveway of our house and he goes, don't move. The problem is he can come up with it so fast and he can commit to it instantaneously. And he goes, don't move. And I said, what? I was like five. You know, I know, I was a kid. I go what he goes That's the closest anyone's ever gotten ever. I'm gonna go in the house. I'm a cook in his book or a wreckage

Don't move Fucking In that tri-flake for an hour And finally I could own my arm And I could own my fingers apart anymore And I could know my fingers apart anymore I'm crying I go in the house and he's watching I'm gonna TV Who's fucking up your super friend

And I was like I just turned off that TV And he said I can wait to get in my goal record Because you're stupid You know that's half the reason I had a kid So I could feed her misinformation. Oh my god, but the dad from Calvin and Hobbs. Yeah, I can't wait for grade school man, it's gonna be the mess. Oh man.

You're gonna be like, you're gonna told you what? You're already feeding your kid bullshit, you gave her those shoes that weren't sketched or some told them they were sketched or something. Yeah, I didn't work out. You got fucking busted. I got trumble a little while back, so I told Millie, I shouldn't. Well, anyway, I was trying to get Millie to go, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no I don't know, it just seems like a good idea at the time. I'm not a baker. A bear's waiting for her to sit down. So you can come out and eat.

I can't wait. Anyway, I paid the price for it because Griffin was not- You're probably still paying the price for that. Yeah, well, anyway. As far as I'm concerned, that's the reason, like, I'm pretty sure my mother, who is probably listening, and I'm not backing down from this mom, I'm pretty sure my mother, who is probably listening, but, and I'm not backing down from this mom, I'm pretty sure my mother had a kid

just for the indentured servitude. Like, I existed to do chores for my mother. Like, laundry, like, I'd get home from school at 230, right? And I'd call, I had to call my mom, and she would give me the list of like seven hours of chores I had to do that day. That was sort of keeping me out of trouble. And so it was like, clean out the rain gutters,

cut the grass, repaint the living room, I just painted it last week, paint it again. And I'm pretty sure that's the whole reason I'm only had a kid just so that she could push the housework up from somebody else. So I had a kid just so I could feed her misinformation and then laugh. You sure it was like to build skills?

Like maybe she's like Mr. Miyagi. She's like, show me, clean the gutter. I think she throws a dragon's dragon. Like one day it's all gonna come together for me. I, yeah, it'll be like the end of signs. And the way everyone will walk out saying man the last one was better. You'll be attacked by an eye covered in leaves. You'll be, I know this.

Somebody's going to assassinate the president and I'm going to, my mom's going to like fold the towel. Maybe it's already happened. Maybe it has. Maybe I'm a sleeper agent. I don't even know it. Maybe you missed your calling. Nothing came up in the army. We're like, game important. No, not that I can remember. Did that help you push the other journalist out of the wake

when you were diving away from the White House? Those are just my razor sharp survival skills. What was your worst chore in growing up? Like, the thing you hated to do no matter what. I can tell it for me, it was cutting grass. Because I'm fucking allergic to grass. What was your worst chore in growing up? Like the thing you hated to do no matter what? Uh... I can tell it for me, it was cutting grass because I'm fucking allergic to grass. So I have to cut the grass, and I would always complain to my parents, like,

I'm allergic to grass. You know I'm allergic to grass, don't make me cut it. So like, they were like, oh here, and they bought me like a dust mask. Like the little like 50 cent when you get like a, a, a, a hardwrester, like here, this will make it better. Like it's not gonna fucking make it better. In your, do anything. In your your parents defense you're allergic to grass come on they made me they this comes from somewhere I didn't choose to be allergic to grass

I think he's made up doesn't it? yeah like home is allergic to water do you know that? no I didn't know that sounds weird right? he's allergic to chlorine and he's even allergic to the small minute amount of chlorine that's a normal drinking water. So what happens if he drinks water? It's mainly, you know, Matt and I live together. So we're not going to go too deep into this. But when Matt takes a shower, he turns bright red.

Wow. Which probably explains why he doesn't shower a lot. It's all starting to make sense, Matt. What did he do before Evion before bottled water? No, no, no. I mean, he's not like allergic to, like, definitely allergic, but he's got some kind of weird, like, like, reaction to chlorine. You know, before bottled water, sink water was okay to drink. That's not true. Not if you're mad

Not really not. Yeah Think water still okay to drink. Do you guys drink tap water? Yeah, I was told like I told not to when I went to your house of the day. No, not out of my sink I Got my kitchen sitting out of the toilet with I go outside the tap water. I'll get it out of the bathroom sink Yeah, I got I got rusty pipes in my kitchen so they're a little gross. I need to get that fix I'm supposed to hop though

When I think you really don't think you're cats and giving them water over Christmas I had to always like run your water for a bit to make sure there's no more rust coming up Yeah, I don't I don't care the cats can deal with it. They're cats. They're fine. It looks like coffee. It's pretty disgusting. What is rust, guys? Is iron and oxygen basically?

Yeah, oxidized metal, right? That's not, he's both of those things. Iron and oxygen. You're good. It's true. A little rust never hurt. He might get a little tetanus, but that's okay. We do too much today.

We do too much of that stuff. I know a guy, he grew up on a Self-sustained Commune. Am I saying that right? Huh makes sense He talks about like washing out zip lock bags and things like that Like you know when you talk about carbon footprint it makes them laugh because they were literally they did everything themselves If they couldn't grow it, you know, they didn't throw anything away. There was no trash or anything like that. You know My ex-wife's family was much the same, but that was more of a saving money kind of thing, but yeah, they would like, if I would make the mistake of throwing a sandwich

bag away, it would be like, why did you throw that away? That's reusable. I was like, I had to dig out the trash and wash it out and put it in the dish container. They would get up, like, her stepmom would get up at 4 in the morning to do laundry, to turn the wash and dry on. They'd should prep up before she went to bed and she'd get up at 3 or 4, because they had to turn them, and that was the cheapest time of the day for water consumption. Like, I guess it's on a scale. Yeah. Yeah. Energy and water, I think are both like- So that they would, like, I mean, I guess it worked for them. They had a ton of kids and, you know, they saved money, but I couldn't live like that, I don't think. I mean, that close, cut it that close. Yeah. Yeah I don't think. I mean that close cut it that close yeah.

Yeah that's interesting. I mean we talked about recycling too. Recycling is weird now because we all have to go. They were so you know conscious and aware. We're really just throwing things away differently. You know we throw stuff in the blue bin versus throwing the way in the brown bin right. Maybe you feel good about yourself. Yeah you do. Look at me I'm recycling. It's like my dad recycled because I never got to throw away glass.

Do you ever think about like? You know we have this big single stream trash cans now and my trash consumption has probably gone down by about 70 percent because It's almost everything you throw away is recycling and it goes to the recycling bin and then the fucking city goes and makes that killing recycling All that stuff. No, they don't you don't think so city lost three million dollars last year on that project did they yeah? It's a big fucking debacle. There's supposed to make money on it and they're not. Well, it's because they're mismanaging it. You know what they do with the recycling? What? They put it in a truck and take it to either Dallas or San Antonio. Really? There's no recycling plant here in Austin. What about a college action? There's no

there's no recycling plant that can handle the volume. What do they do with that? They get the big blue bins and they just go through and they put them in a conveyor belt and sort all the crap out. That's what I think happens. They just send it to another country where trash is more accepted. They send it all to China. Didn't they find like a big big fucking like Texas size piece of garbage out in the Pacific? Yeah, there's like a floating island a garbage. Yeah, there's a there's an interesting documentary you can watch online.

I think it's on the vice website vice.tv. That is a great website. I'll put it in the link dump and they have a documentary about it. A place is a good website. They are some guy who decides to get in a boat and wants to go out and find this this giant text of size island of garbage does he find it yeah he finds it but it's not really like you pictures not like a solid island of trash it's just like a big zone where there's a lot of trash right you can probably like both yeah it's not like a cool lesson to like really just like it's called the great Pacific garbage patch Also described as the Pacific trash war text. Wow should

mention Vice is a great website, but be careful when you go there. There's some very disturbing stuff on that website It's a lot of like independent journalism. You could very quickly see stuff. You didn't intend to see Yeah, you mean like people getting shot people getting the head and stuff. Yeah, like really like foreign stuff Yeah, like really like for new stuff. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The the other thing you get to get there, which is really weird, is weird experiments that we talked about this for like the spark guy. We did. We did. Yeah. And uh, vice-dissuerbite guy who went two weeks without any modern sanitary practices. Yeah. What happened to him? He got really gross. Yeah, really gross. Yeah, really, really gross. Yeah. And his co-workers were the please go shower

So he didn't like sequester himself. I do it. You were still like no me did interacting in public I imagine two weeks and that brushing your teeth or he grew up he brushed him with his finger and pumice Yeah, he had like some kind of a like what was like a stick or something that he was allowed to brush with a Fistle this all yeah allowed Stopping him. Oh, it's part of his experiment. Oh, yeah. Which one can relate to? I like that. I like that too. Peel these off. I'm glad with other people do this stuff like that. Other people that aren't, you know, other people that don't work in this office. Yeah. But, you know, going, going two weeks without a toilet. I mean,

that's tough. Yeah. Yeah. You know, it's like a wild bag. You're going to hold it a lot more. Good Lord. Maybe eight or nine years ago on PBS, there was this show called 1860s House, where they took this family in England and they put them in a house and they had to live under the same rules. Like, it was 1860 for them and they could only buy things that existed in 1860. Like, they had to prepare food

the way you would prepare it in 1860 and that family went crazy in about four days. It was like, it was brutal. Really? So, what do you mean, man? Cooking, cooking a meal was like a six hour affair, you know? Makes sense. And doing the laundry.

Like there's all wood burning still over some of the stuff. Yeah, so they were up every morning chopping wood, preparing all that shit, then taking care of the horses, so the dad could go to work. Because that's like, I have to keep his modern job. But he had to take a horse drunk carriage to the modern job. And the kids could take the horse drunk carriage to school, putting on the kind of clothes. They can only bathe, they only bathe

like once a week because it's a lot of work to you know bring pales of water up into the upstairs your house with the bathrooms. Like it was it was a whole thing. Just it was like that just the maintenance of living was like a full-time job. Yeah it sounds terrible. Brutal. Yeah. Nasty. You know, Gus talks about being allergic to grass, but Gus is actually kind of a very old-school guy. Like, if I was, if I was trapped out in the wilderness with anybody, I actually want to be with Gus, so he's gonna grass around to attack us. I've been reading a lot of those, you ever read any of the Kormick McCarthy books at all? He wrote No Country For Old Men. No, I never wrote them. And the road, because we talked about that.

Did he write No Country For Old Men? Yeah. Yeah, he also wrote that series of books about that dude and his buddy that moved to Mexico. Yeah, it's all the pretty horses. Yeah, and then the crossing. And I'm reading the crossing right now. It's awesome.

You should tell me, you should read those. Yeah, they should. The gusting, you would really like them, I think. All I hear is about how the leg of the they are mega depressing. Yeah, man the first the first hundred pages of the crossing are Pretty damn amazing really yeah, I should pretty cool, you know Maybe I will get an iPad just like I start I haven't read and forever and I feel like it's because I don't like the medium I Use the I use the Kindle app on my iPhone all the time that's green is too small I've tried using the Kindle app on the iPhone and it's a piece of shit. I like the Kindle the Kindle app on my iPhone all the time. That's green's too small. I've tried using the Kindle app on the iPhone and it's a piece of shit.

I like the Kindle. The Kindle school. Kindle's awesome. I wonder if the iPad would be cool. Kindle got my wife reading a lot. Why I see she's just buying book after her. Yeah, your wife reads constantly. Yeah, she's been nuts lately. She had a Facebook status update about a book yesterday. Is she really? Yeah. Bookworm. Very good nerd. What a nerd. Jesus.

Kicks and interface when you get home. But the, I wonder if the iPad will have that same Kindle app that the iPhone does. It's just be able to run the same, it's the same operating. Yeah, but will Amazon make the app? Yeah, it's an interesting question. Plus, because the iPad has its own bookstore. Right. Like 300,000 books. I think Amazon wants the iPad to go away as fast as it possibly can.

Yeah. And so we'll see what happens. And now that you hear they, you hear one of the gadget blogs was talking about the HP slate. They've already got a release date on it. And it's set to follow up. Well, that HP slate, who gives a fuck about that? But I care more about these other companies

because it seems like these were all companies operating independent, like having their own independent business models. And now you're starting to see overlap. And these once-friendly companies are starting to turn on each other. Like Google and Apple, you know, everyone talks about that, you know, Google made a phone, Apple didn't make a fucking search engine, so now they're at kinda add-on, at odds. Now Apple's making a sidepad, then touting it as a book reader, and now they're, you know,

potentially competing with Amazon for that market. So you see a lot of, I think you'll get to start to see a lot of unusual partnerships start to form. The big showdown, apparently, to me is Apple and Adobe. It seemed to be just going head to head. Yeah, and I think, I think, Apple's in the right, I think most people are sick of flash.

I wonder where Amazon makes its money in that deal though. Do they make their money off the hardware of a Kindle, or do they make the money off book sales? I would be inclined to believe that they make all their money off the book sales. I would think so. And then if that were the case, they would just make a better reader for the iPad than Apple's.

But it's still like a blemish on the company history. No, it's a good question. But the other thing too is that Apple has not been very friendly in the past of leaving services alone. That's true. Let's go. Oh, well, you know, Amazon's sure making a lot of money from our platform turn it off Yep, let's start our own first party book service and let's make it a default icon and all that

You know, yeah apples been very guilty lately of the things in my opinion that people always accused Microsoft of doing what what else did they do? Like what are you talking about this stuff they've done before well like, like shutting off Flash, you know, controlling the apps that can go in the app store, not seemingly not approving the apps that they said they're approving and making sure they work right. And then giving the ability to like turn off, you know, phones that are jailbroken and everything else, you know. I mean, you can even go a little further back and say that they did the same thing by long, even creating Safari for the Mac. You know, for the longest time, Internet Explorer was the web browser on your Mac.

Yeah. Then they made Safari and Mac stops like fuck it, we're not going to compete with them. You know, cares. So they discontinue making Internet Explorer because Apple made Safari and put it as the default icon and it was everywhere. Yeah, look at the, I mean, just a, we take it for granted now, but look at the integration between iPods and iTunes. You know, think about it. You just like, well, I have an iPod, so I use iTunes. But that was a big move to go to iTunes, and everyone just kind of had to do it. If they wanted to use their iPod and update their iPod. And they came out with that early enough.

They really didn't have much in the way of competition when they launched iTunes, I feel. Because it was a normal operating system file transfer. Yeah, but I mean, how would you use stuff up? Like on Windows, I guess you could you've used windows media back then I used to use wind amp wait let me tell you a little program called winning which is also a third party program You have to go out and download mm-hmm not that big a deal to swap from one third party program Is there something that computer?

I just not at level I just got a third party program from a windows perspective You know it's like 90% of 90% of of computers Yeah, the service is like Napster, you know? Napster. And it's even harder to describe like what the stuff that Microsoft's accused of being that's quote unquote evil, you know, but it's just this general attitude of we control so much that you're just going to take whatever we give you. You can't just do something you can do about it.

Yeah. And if you're the PK zip or the win amp of the world, too bad, you know, it's almost like in a way, if you make something that's so ubiquitous and everyone needs it and use it it's just going to become a first-party app whether or not there's anything you can do about it. Fuck PKZip man, what the hell is that? I remember using PKZip with the fucking command line in DOS. What's PKZip? It's a zipping and unzipping program.

It's how you zipped it in Zip? PKZip and PK unzip. Yeah. And I don't know if Zip was a standard or whatever but if you wanted to zip a file, you got PKZip. It started like in DOS and it was like in Windows 3 1 and then along came into 95 or when Then I ate that had a lunged in wind zip and then came like integrated And I was never there for that like I did I use max grown up Then you used stuff it stuff it stuff it that's right and my mp3 player was a

stuff it stuff it that's right and my mp3 player was a sound jam MP or something back then even before it turns out a long time ago the format zip was originally created in 1989 by Phil Katz for PK zip as a replacement for the previous arc compression arc and remember a rarer of all we're all still rock still around the PK zip format is now supported by many software utilities other than PKZip. Microsoft has included built-in zip support in versions of its window operating system since 1998. Apple has included built-in zip support in Mac OS X, 10.3 and later including other compression formats. And it's one of those things like, yeah, we all use zip, we all need to use zip, but here's this company, PKZip, what the hell happened to PKZip?

Yeah. Were they bought by Microsoft or were they bought by Apple? Were they licensed technology to them? It's just, nope, it's a limited. Oh, it's limited. It's limited. Yeah. Well, I mean, did they open up the standard?

These people couldn't have used it. If it's a standard and if they have a patent on it, they can't use it without their permission. So they may have opened up the standard or licensed it to everyone. And also how long does a trademark like that last, you know, that was 21 years ago? There may be like an expiration on technology trademarks like that. I don't think it was that fast though because the first version was released in 1989 as a DOS command line tool distributed under shareware model with a $25 US registration fee, $47 US if you wanted to get the manual with it.

The latest version of PKZ now called SecureZip, $12.4 was released on $12.14 2009. Wow. So, now supports operation on Windows 7. I still wonder when Apple is going to make a Photoshop alternative. Appertures kind of close. I've never used Apperture. Do you like it? Not really. Oh, do you have App kinda close. I've never used aperture. Do you like it?

Not really. Oh, do you have aperture? I've used it before. Oh, I've always wanted to try it out. I know they've had that new version. Because that's the same thing at all. Is that made by Apple? I use Gimp on my Mac.

Do you like Gimp? I fucking hate Gimp. Then why do you use it? I used to use it back in the day But I could never get in some I'm with you Gus I have to get Photoshop because I just can't put up with gimp There are some fundamental problems with the interface in gimp and then on top of that like gimp doesn't run natively in like the The cocoa framework so you have to have X 11 install because it uses an X 11 window system

So you have to install that additionally. So anytime you launch it, X11 launch it. From their standpoint, it's probably easy, because it's all Unix. It's just a unified development process for them. But it's inconvenient for them. You think Apple is working on a Photoshop alternative? That's what Bernie just asked. I wouldn't be surprised.

They are so contentious with Adobe at this point. Well, I don't blame them. Adobe you know quit making premiere for the Mac and I don't know. Just kind of pulled out and then as soon as they switch back to Intel, after they made final cut. Yeah, what do you do? Yeah, what are you gonna do exactly? What do you gonna do? That seems to be the heads up thing now. Yeah, I mean, it's almost like God bless final cut. In our industry, at least it's like people who use PC's, it's like Adobe versus Apple more so than these windows versus Apple because God knows I can't use I can't use any of our apples for any business applications I'm sorry there's nothing it's the last thing that anyone develops for like if I run payroll or if I run do

anything with the 401k or any insurance stuff anything like that any business related I have to reboot and go into PC mode it just doesn't work that's lame's lame. It's hard. Yeah. It's a pain. That's, I hate to be the defender. I agree it sucks, but that's just shitty customer service. I shitty development on, you know, these business providers side. They should at least afford Firefox. I guess so. I mean, I don't know what's the support Firefox. What? Hey, what are the podcast? Hey, what hey what we're talking about third party We're talking about oh my so let's caps lock you up. Yeah Firefox is a huge portion of the market. It's almost you know, it's almost equal with internet explorer

Yeah, first conversation with tie-hack would Jeff I told him like I'm fucking slow like a promise or something like that You know we learn a brana source doesn't exist Brana source does not exist. I haven't heard this Did you know that the brana source is not a real dinosaur? Was it and that many people know this has been been been known in public knowledge since the 70s What I was more discovered I learned about brana sorai after the 70 Me too wait wait what's up with that Brontosaurus is not real it's not a real dinosaur It never was a real dinosaur it was faith your gosh. You're gonna love this was it like a diplodocus and just

This made wrong. It's a different Diplodocus or I'm fucking for now. It's a sweet nothing diplodokai If you know that they found the bones it looking like he's looking at Wikipedia cuz he doesn't believe me They found the bottom of the book. Oh God's that's like guess as a pie chart of that's like does Horn for us coming back to this okay, they found what they found the bones of two different dinosaurs in one pit Essentially like a grave site for dinosaurs and they built a brana source Skeleton out of multiple dinosaur bones that's retard and apparently it was some huge painly and

Yeah, why do they keep teaching this? I know I know yeah, I don't know I don't know, but they say that like there's no way a brontosaurus could exist like a brontosaurus couldn't a brontosaurus couldn't Wouldn't be strong enough to support the weight of its head and brachiosaurus and diplodocus and all the big ones You can't I don't know what that is what is a diplod? You got to, it's like the long ones, like in the movie, Dinosaur. You're a real druid to have on the podcast, Monty. Monty's drunk.

I don't know if you're in. But you look at Brontosaurus on Wikipedia. It sends you to Apatosaurus. And it was, it was what they have now determined that people thought the Brontosaurus was is actually a much smaller thing called the Apatosaurus. So were there any of those long neck four-legged ones? Some of them, but they have much longer tails, and they're not quite as long necked as they made them out. Because the bracket source was supposed to be bigger than the Brontosaurus, right?

Dude, we, our knowledge of dinosaurs exists solely in Michael where what's his name Michael Cracken? Yeah, I'm not not even that for me. I know I'm like the intro to the Flintstones I know Jurassic Park. That's it. If Frank Flintstone didn't use it to pick up rocks or to watch the next day's to party with I don't know what it is. What's a Dino with the plot of kiss? Once again, dude. I know Velociraptor What's a Dino with the plot of kiss? Once again, dude, I know Velociraptor, Tyrannosaurus Rex and Brana Saurus. I can talk amongst those three dinosaurs when we have a conversation. Going back just a real quick step.

Our website, receipt.com. Yep. Only 26.7% of our visitors use Internet Explorer. 26.7% of our visitors use Internet Explorer. What's the number one? It's is obviously fire fire Fox 43.44% is there a way to tell between how many of those fire fox users are PC fire fox versus yeah I can break that down if you want. I think it's it's irrelevant. We're just talking about like Support for a web browser right right what's uh, where does Safari fit in there? Safari's number three at 15% That's higher than I would have thought there. Hmm. I'm gonna I'm gonna risk sounding uncool here. I'm gonna do it I'm ready to throw my

Repair first time for everything. You throw cool to the wind. I like it an explorer bread of the Firefox I'll use Firefox. I'll use the farie firefox to me gets I've never had a computer You are a program on computer use more memory and I realize it might be the add-on Probe here. Well, let's talk about a simple application. Yeah, I am always surprised how much memory firefox every time I flip the task manager I can't use firefox because it crashes every 30 minutes 300,000 It's just like you have to update it every day. We're gonna get a fucking ton of hate mail now because of this But no, I agree with you guys. I do not like something. I love I used it and it was really great when I first started and then something happened to that just became bloated bloated right?

Yeah, which is why you used to use it instead of an explorer back in the day, right? That being said the same problem like you got you like you were saying earlier I just realized there is one thing I use Firefox for I listen to serious online so I can listen to how it's done at work Doesn't work in Safari. Yeah, I have to I have to let up Firefox to listen to how it's done I I sucks. You know, you know, what's surprising? Google Chrome is our number four web browser. It's almost caught up to Safari That was fast now. It's pretty close and then offers in a distant fifth. How have you ever used Chrome? How is it? I've used I used it when it first came out and I didn't like it I hear that a lot of the stuff got fixed so I'm having treated again. Give it a spin works on Max right? Yes

Changing web browsers like changing internet to me. Yeah. It's a really weird feeling. I switched to Safari just because it was integrated in the Mac, and I was already changing the look and feel of everything anyway. But man, it's like, it's like going back to Netscape 1.0. You're like, this is not right.

Plus I like Safari because, you know, from a super perspective, like all my mobile and stuff syncs up, so like, I maintain, you know, I'll add a drunk tank bookmark that I want to talk about on my desktop it shows up on my laptop or vice versa just all gear bookmarks sync to your iPhone only when you manually sync we manually sync with the air sync for that's to that I know that's stupid that I don't understand that's retarded that's the feature they should have yeah maybe an I will maybe a 4.0 right maybe

maybe there are now to later this week after our fucking podcast. That's so dumb I mean bookmarks like why 300k I know right I'm in that it's annoying as hell to me that I can't I can't like if I see something on my phone I can't add to my bookmark there and have a show up on my computer to talk about in the podcast I feel like oh let me go to my computer and add it okay manually thinking me Jeff that plugged in yeah Yeah, and then go to the backup and then the sink and other wise You could sync up other stuff on the iPhone Yeah, like music and movies and photos or like your 50th update for doodle jump

How are they gonna update doodle jump? I mean, they're giving they're giving consistent content for free though They got all those different levels that are always coming out. I'm gonna I'm gonna play devil's advocate here all right That they they have over updated that game. Like the scores are no longer rousey when you're young that's the one thing you don't have to do in the microphone month and then we went over having to do everything to the microphone before we started the podcast. The podcast thing. That was Differention that was that I Normally edit them out. It's not a big deal, but that was the biggest John in the world

That was the microphone so excited to be here. I love the podcast is awesome Reminded the first meeting all over again Oh, that's right. We've read it mentioned that Monty was the guy fell asleep during the first meeting and that was when Oh, that's right. We've read the message that Monty was the guy fell asleep during the first meeting and that was when All right, his first meeting here he fell asleep during and I didn't understand I got you just started here with falsely, but then as they work with Monty for I think three days after that I quickly understood Monty is like Monty's like a machine when he's awake

He's awake to work essentially and to animate and to do stuff and when he's not that time It's just like doesn't matter what just powers down and to do stuff and when he's not that time it's just like doesn't matter what it just powers down He goes into sleep mode like I'm gonna go in the sleep mode like in his chair He'll be like mid-animation Tarenoff caps lock. He's like that's it when we were shooting the emergency Space bar and four hours and like me up it was before his his scenes came up He was sitting there with his sunglasses on a sleep with music like with headphones on and music so loud I could hear it 15 you're gonna be death in the next week still asleep with a

music on that low you do need to watch how loud your your fun music is loud loud yeah it was loud dude if you don't think it's loud then you have a serious problem because you already going deaf okay I can hear you now I'm sorry for the diversion but you said they over updated doodle Trump they have over updated doodle jump but one thing though is that back to the money thing real quick before we get away from it You always hear about you who want to change their schedule like then swatch have that thing where they wanted to go where it was metric Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah Watch wanted to be like 10 years ago 15 years ago. Yeah, huh. They want to have beats like then there were 10 beats in a minute

And then or in a what in a mega beat and it was like it was a metric stuff I'm off for unified time. Yeah, yeah, that sounds awesome. We have to do times That's for you know, you don't have to have time like some of me great, but Monty's done it Monty's not like some weird like he's got his own like What they call those rhythms circadian rhythm. Yes, okay. You're rhythm. What's the circadian? It's like your bio rhythm with sleep and all that it's like monies like monies on like 36 hour on 12 hour off cycle and you just go like flip back for it's awesome. I love it anyway um back to the whole thing we were talking about before dude what's dudeo jump?

it's a dudeo jump is a great game you'll notice that I don't I well I want I don't have an iPhone which is all I am behind on these conversations but also I just don't use Apple so I don't know what anyone's talking about. I would not get an iPhone if I were you I just paid my phone bill this month. It was $220 for my phone and my wife's phone That's too much money. I don't understand how you're spending that much. I pay one seventy six or one seventy seven a month for my phone And my wife's phone mine's not far away Mine's one ninety two a month because I had to get unlimited texting for 75 books a month That's almost a 50% increase. So it's up From yours to mine is like 50 bucks. Yeah, it's 50

25 to 22. Oh, I think so 250. Okay. Yeah, I want to get an iPhone because it would like let me watch videos like one on a plane ride or something Versus you can do an Android phone. We have a laptop. You have a lot of room. You're left. Yeah, which is awesome or portable DVD Play like I think a preview the problem with this laptop. There's no cap flocky Which is awesome or portable DVD play like I With his laptop no cap lock key Previously I would use like my PSP but then the conversions shit for the PSP is like real shit and true shitty But like I like when you be using iPhone can you just drop a video in and it'll play it? You have to think I like that money is scroll lock. Yeah survived the great keyboard purge What does scroll out do it stops the screen from scrolling right? I don't think I think they got to get rid of scroll lock

Scroll lock. I know the only thing the only thing the only time scroll lock everybody's me is when I'm at the Kolo It's a very compact keyboard that we have you know Scroll lock is up like next to page up and sometimes I'll hit it by accident and like everything I type like the screen freezes essentially. Yeah, anything I type doesn't show up and like what the fuck happened Like is the computer locked up. Oh no scroll locks on Okay, unlike money. I didn't just rip it out of the keyboard though You know no the key I hate is f1 Because it fucking brings up all the help menus and you know It just takes forever to boot up take that off right now

You know when they first introduced the windows key remember that and it would drop you out of games when you hit that Windows key by accident that was horrible Yeah, because all the FPS games back then, it was control, Windows key and alt. Yeah, I think you used control and alt all the time. I think I would rip my Windows keys out back there when they first launched it. It was terrible. It was really terrible.

And it was like, one of my first big things that, like one of the times I knew Windows 9.5 was going to be a huge thing, was I saw someone playing Doom in a window, like while the operating system was running, and I was like, holy shit, look at that! I know exactly what you're talking about. I saw a screenshot, I was like holy shit look at that I know exactly what you're talking about a side screen shot I was like what the fuck is that they're playing a game and they have their desktop on what I couldn't do that before no man you get to go to a

DOS mode some like the play games you would have to create special boot this special specifying like and you have memory and XMS memory you had to get the fucking manual out and turn to page 37 yeah files in the fourth word for you man man you know the first thing I said the Bernie about the podcast is that Sound like a bunch of old guys because every every podcast is like do you remember what it used to be like? Well, we are dude. Come on. That's not a bad. Sorry. We're not all exciting It's I'm not that we can't always be young and vibrant and full of life Remember when keyboards and caps That was just last week

Not like I'm that much younger than you guys, but I was spending so much time talking about We're disillusioned and old that's why we're just jaded maybe what internet dinosaurs Maybe I'm gonna end in a dinosaur are we? I'm a Dupaticus Diplodocus Maybe I'm gonna end it down the store are we? I'm gonna do a podcast. Diplo docus. Maybe it'll happen when I turn 30. I'll end up like you guys. I'm a dot orgie store.

I'm a dot orgie store. I'm a dot orgie store. I'm a dot orgie store. I'm a dot orgie store. I'm a dot orgie store. I'm a dot orgie store. I'm a dot orgie store. This is a joke in the year for the drunk tank. Hey, yeah, what's a dot on what why is that funny? Man alright we're out right yeah, we got to stop now. I know I did doodle jump. All right. Well, thank you. Listen to everyone. Tata

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