Rooster Teeth Podcast - Rooster Teeth Podcast #76

Episode Date: August 25, 2010

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twisted metal, streaming now, only on P-Cock. Welcome to the RISTY Podcast. Wrong 10 podcast 2010. Broadcasts and these shows that'll never end. Got Bernie Jeff Joel, Gus and even Jack, they be all in one room, man, that shit's wet. Talkin' bout random booze, like that spicy sauce, or waitin' ten minutes talkin' about love, Gus gettin' angry over Jack's shit, but Jack's backed up by his bro the skit. New themes each week, man, they all rock. Yet I wonder what happened to Taree Sipa,

drunk tech podcast, a nuff spin set. Pape Bernie, by the way, can you guess this piece, Ben? Achievement unlocked. Bitch. Oh my god. Hey everyone, welcome to the podcast. That was fantastic. That kid is awesome. That needs to be at the end of an 80s movie. Oh my god That was fantastic that kid is awesome that needs to be at the end of an 80s movie. Oh my god

I think that might be the second entry. He's had really what's his name? Dark crab 14. Oh, yeah, of course, of course person ever He said he did a theme for number 21 as well. He here. Yes. He's dropping his new one Dropper like it's odd. That was pretty awesome. Kudos sir. Yeah good job in. I'd give him my I should see you make sure he's got my award. So how's everyone doing? There's one of our final podcasts in this building. Definitely. Sure. Yeah probably our second to final podcast right? Next week will be our final podcast. Excited. I refuse to put a

number on it especially Especially after yesterday. What happened? Do you want to talk about yesterday? I would love to talk about yesterday. Let's talk about it. So nothing is better on a Monday when you're building a new building than having a fire in that new building. And in the fires defense, it was outside the building.

It was on the premises. That's important. But the fire department had to come and they turned off the cut the power to the building Right well, that's because the power cut itself because the transformer on the pole I guess two of them just exploded and then Rained electric fire down under the front lawn Which in August is not that nice. It's not green grass. It was kind of dry. Look at it like this though, that is probably not going to happen to us twice.

So at least we got it out of the way while we weren't there. You mean electric fire rain really strikes twice? Yeah, that's how the chain goes, right? Yeah. It's like, I'm starting craft. Now what's the upgrade you need to electrify your fire? It makes me think of Tesla coils

from Command and Conquer way back in the day. You have electricity and fire. It makes it like poison or ice at the same time. That'd be the ultimate power up for that transformer. But the our transformer transformed into a raining fire death instead of a nice car or a jam box. But the it was like a comedy of air. Just what's the chance of something happening. Also at that precise moment the polymer was there finishing his job, he'd shut off all the water to the building. Oh, no, I didn't hear that.

So they were running around with fire hoses. That doesn't really got a cartoon, they turn on the fire hose and just go like, yeah, a little bit of dust pops out. Yeah, a fly. That's fucking crazy. And so they thankfully, they ran inside and got the fire extinguishers, which we needed to pass our fire inspection

And so now we had to delay the fire inspection because we had a Let me set up like a bucket we're great like a like a Like a don't cop style. Yeah, it's like episode three studios right around their country a bucket of confetti on it I'm like, I'm gonna ask you a question for the Harlem The bike rack. Okay The bike rack is fine. Okay, good. And so is the G.D.

A.D.A. compliant kitchen countertop. I think the bike rack was first and foremost in everyone's concerns. Our prayers are with it. Thank you, Christ. And thank you, City of Austin, to remind us we needed a bike rack. Well, in the City of Austin's defense,

if we had had a wind farm for electricity, as opposed to the city provided a lecture. I was going to say wait a minute, wasn't this their fucking fault anyway? It was. It was on what I heard a discussion on which it was determined it was on the city's side of the pole. I don't know what that means.

It means they put the bill to fix it. It's probably way less expensive to fix than if it's on your side of the pole. Do you have any illusions that if they're exploding transformer, which we all agree was on their side of the pole, had caught the building on fire that we would not still be responsible for? That's why you have insurance, right? That's why we have insurance. We do have insurance, right? Yeah, it's called fire extinguishers.

It's called moving fast. It's called hustle. But now we have actually the way it works if you really want to know is during construction, there's insurance provided by the construction company. And then we also just have insurance on the property and the improvements and the building is the improvement in this case. I see. Fascinating. It is fascinating. But long story short, Bikerife's okay, building's okay. We're still moving sometime. Monday not so good, I lost my Monday. Yeah, and thank you to Brandon who stepped up while I was running around. Putting out fires.

Oh, he stepped up and put the episode out, which was really nice. That is nice. Friends a good guy, this final shit we talk about him. No, I like him a lot dude. What do we say about Brandon? He's got a list in stellar personal hygiene and you know the things that we always talk about. Do you want to fabricate like any felonies or anything like that? Brandon's done? I guess we should maybe take this time to recognize a special guest in here with us.

We do. A great quiet guest. What's up guest? Jesse, you're there? Yes, this is Jesse's aka guest. here with us. We do. A very quiet guest. What's up, Guest? Jesse, you're there? Yes, this is a Jessica A. Guest. You're sitting right behind me. I'm very shy. I'm like, I'm in the DUNCECAP position. They put me against a wall. So I can't see anybody, but these giant fighting robots in the wall.

So I stare at them as if they're talking. It's a little odd. That's where Jack normally sits. But he'd read himself this week. Yeah, he kind of got the prime spot where he can stare at everybody. I advanced to the floor See that's one of the things I'm gonna look forward to moving out of this office about like we're all crammed into a room where we've got to turn down the lights because it's so hot There was actually a discussion before the podcast started. There's like an 80 decibel fan It's literally a blower and it was blowing on all of us and Gus Gus who has the edit podcast said let's just go ahead and leave it on it's fine.

We can really hear it. We can run a filter on it. I can attest that no one in this room is currently getting a blow job from that fan. It's terrible. Yeah, it's not our fluffer fan if they're blow or fan sucks. Why are you touching me Jack? Because you're stepping on a cable. And why are you touching me Jack?

Because you're pulling. Alright. Gus, that phone with that. Yeah, awesome. Yeah, you guys should have a visual fight. So we've pulling. All right. Just that phone with that. Awesome. Yeah, you guys should have a visual fight. So we've known Jesse. Jesse.

Jesse. Jesse Cowell. Now we've known Jesse for how long? Six years. I think it's been about six years since I stumbled across your site and said, oh my God, please love me for the next six years. And Jesse has consistently been the most watched member of our community site. I would agree with that.

So out of 800,000 people in growing, it filters down essentially just kid. I still can't understand how that happened. And all of these, there are kids in high school who are still angry that I ever became popular at anything. They thought they would always be the nerd that they pushed to the ground continuously every day. That watch feature, when we implemented on the site,

was a pretty big deal. And that was essentially where you could get alerted anytime this user did anything, whenever they made a journal or whenever they made a new forum post. It wouldn't tell you every time the page. Yeah, it wouldn't make a thing every time they commented on a video or made a reply on a forum page. But if you want to keep up with the person you would watch them. Essentially like following on Twitter, except five years earlier than Panted.

Oh, speaking of which, we actually did cross the milestone as a company. What did we? Oh, we now have a registered trademark. Oh, do we get our trademark? Rooster team is officially registered. So now our teams have to turn those little Rs with a circle. Big ups, dude. Congratulations.

That's that's been like a four year ordeal, right? Yeah. So if I screw up a rooster teeth on a wall, is that like a trademark violation? It would be, it's an important part of the business economy in this country, is those two words put together, and that you will understand what they mean. I know what they mean, but I'm not sure, like, how does your value change for the trademark? Well, one of the big things is, because we put the logo on clothing, and that kind of thing, we had to start to protect the rights for it.

I don't want to get too much into it but people can make a lot of merchandise and it makes it a lot easier if you have a registered trademark so I can't sell my scribbled on with these clothing anymore. That's right bitches. I had plus it's fucking awesome. Or legit. Raise your hand if you're trademarked. I can't even I don't have my hand out. That's awesome. I remember how the discussion started that we should do that. It's too much. I think the discussion started a long time. I think it might have even predated the beauty off. It was season two.

We started talking about it. Well, we actually have been working on it for about three years. It takes a while because you have to answer protests from other people. Were there a lot of protests? There was a couple of protests. There was a couple of people who protested our use of roosters on clothing. That was really protest. Yeah.

Why? Had those protests go for them. I don't know why. Maybe they just didn't like roosters on clothing. That was a protest, yeah. Why? Have those put us go for them. I don't know why. Maybe they just didn't like roosters. They're going to be right and say, well, you jealous mother for that. They're going to be writing some chicks now. It's mainly just from people who want to avoid confusion,

which makes sense. So anytime foghorned leghorn's on a t-shirt, that's our shirt. No, that's not what I'm talking about. It's very, very specific. You have to turn in almost like architectural drawings of your logo and say, this is exactly what we want to do. Who do that logo originally?

It was actually a gentleman by the name of Ben McSqueenie, great dude, who is also years later the guy who then animated the red versus blue animated piece. Whoa. That was shown in some places. Which is on the reconstruction DVD. To me, the crazy part of that story, Jesse, is how we met the guy. Because for the first four episodes of Reverse Blue, maybe even six, we had pictures of a rooster and a picture

of teeth like chattering teeth. Yeah. It was like a rooster. It was a winged vein. Vain, yeah. Yeah. Weather vain. Weather vain, that's what it is. Yeah.

And so we had that. And then I thought, well, we can't keep. If we're going to put this on a yeah, and so we had that and then I thought well We can't keep if we're gonna put this on a DVD and it was clear. We were going to at that time I said we can't use these pictures. We got to come up with our own logo so I Went out on the old forums the PHP Bb forums and I found a user who had his own hand drawn avatar And so I said hey did you draw your avatar? He goes yes yes, I did. I'm an artist. I said, would you mind drawing us a logo for Ruger's teeth? And I just want a Ruger's shirt and teeth just like it is now, but it needs to be drawn.

And he said, sure. And I said, now charge appropriately, because we're going to put this on DVDs and T-shirts and everything else. And so he did. And then five years later, we hired his company to do that animated piece. So it's weird the way things work out.

And every once in a while, we run into them like at events or something. And he'll say, Hey, can I please redraw that logo? There's a couple of imperfections that have been bothering me in it for the last seven years. And I would kill. I'll do it for free. I just don't want to look at it anymore. He is. We're like, absolutely not sure. It kills him, but it's not symmetrical. That's the one thing he always says. Like, it's not symmetrical. If you redo it, no, it's totally fine. It looks great. And we ran into that sometimes when we were

trying to put the logo somewhere that's not quite symmetrical. Sure. But it's, if you change one little thing about it, we would notice it and it would kill us. I always thought it was pretty cool that you guys would draw talent from your community. And obviously, did that with Luke McKay because he was drawing all kinds of halo-inspired stuff early on. And several other people. And it just seems like such a good place to get talent from, like in your backyard, because you've sat with them for a couple years What's it like when you first meet the people? From the site that you think are pretty talented are you interviewing? I am I'm curious These are questions. I've always wanted to ask and now I have a good form. I couldn't ask it over fucking launch

You do what do you what do you ask me personally? Shut up. You should pull it. Yeah, now let's see She we didn't that voice right with one of the best things you know, drawing people from a community like that is that they already understand the rest of the community and what the company does, I guess. Yeah, that's a good point. I remember back when... See, my question is good. You cock suckers, please continue. We were in the gap between Blake and Matt and Ben. When we had that like that dead period where we were looking for a developer, we interviewed a of developers. I said we I mean mostly Bernie and Gus like I don't know what would be corporate green corporate green the CG guys from you know the first community site and

I remember you guys having to constantly try to explain to people what a community site was What our site was and people just couldn't get it and it became very clear that we couldn't It's very hard to work with people who don't understand our core business It was so we got back were so strange. Yeah, just bizarre. Well, when we launched the community site, we think about it too, like back in time, it was before Facebook existed in my... No, Facebook was there. Facebook was there, yeah.

Okay, Facebook was there. Okay, Facebook was university only then, at that point. I think Facebook started in 2001 or I think. Yeah. And my space was still pretty new, I think. So people really didn't, there really wasn't this big social media push. It was, we started right around that, like maybe, uh, right around the time friends started to get popular. Yeah.

Yep. I agree with that. But those are the ones were there, they just weren't, I remember when I was a poker game and a guy told me, this is my ice-pink thing, when we started to get big, I was like, I could code that site in about five seconds, it's just cold fusion, that's it. Yeah. And I said, well that's not what people like about it. They don't go there because they really like the design. It's just that everybody's on it.

It's got gravity. It's interesting which ones took off because there used to be so many of them. What the fuck is Bebo? I still don't get that. Bebo's in your early popular in Europe. It's like that David Hasselhoff things. Like you just don't understand it,

but it's big in Europe. When we were in the Netherlands, you and I, Bernie, last year, you were an Amsterdam? I remember Norge. Norge? Norge. Norge. Our excellent tour guide.

I was talking to her about community sites, and she said nobody in that part of the world used my space or even knew what Facebook was. They were all, it was all Bebo. Bebo. Bebo. Bebo is our Bebo. Bebo is our long-horned mascot.

And then of course, there's other weird ones like orcute is in Brazil. Yeah orcute is really big in Brazil and nowhere else. I think it's hard for us to say and therefore we don't want to use it. Orcute orcute. But I remember back in the day like it was like Friendster and like Makeout Club and Luke's making a cigarette. When you make out a club, it was a makeout club. Yeah.

Who we first tried match.com ever? No, we were all married I think Alclava, it was a big club club. Yeah, they got club, yeah. Who ever tried Match.com ever? Uh, quite. No, we were all married, I think. Yeah, I think I'm married. Oh, I mean, I haven't. I haven't passed 15 years. So we've all just used adult friendfinder, that's pretty much it. Yeah.

And Craigslist. And how was your second guys always seemed to know so much about the flashlight? I've always wanted to ask. Uh, **** had one for a while. Well, that's not a little bit of a legend. He told me he did. He was really excited about it. He told you. Oh He told me he did he was really excited about it. He told you you he didn't tell the podcast listeners No, whatever you're taking on trips with him. Yeah, he's the brag about it. Listen everything Ultimately you is not open game for that microphone just so you know

Is it a flashlight is that like a flashlight that you basically put your back? It's a very friendly flashlight. Yeah, it's like shaking hands a lot. I don't know. I can't really think. It's ultimately it wasn't worth it because it was too much cleanup. Oh, but just like the girls' thing with the other. Oh, all right.

She's thinking, I know. So, I'm very calm now. Yeah, I'm ready to just take it easy. I think we've just generated like a thousand dollars in clicks for a fleshlight, which is awesome. This episode brought to you by a fleshlight. No, no, it's not. I do that. No, it's not.

There'll be a lot of cleaning needed after. It's disgusting. But we had a version of the site in there that we developed all the way up to beta. And that took, I think, 15 months ago, some hours. Yeah, it was close to a year and a half, I think. And we scrapped it. We just threw the entire side away.

We just throw it away, it's in my locker. Well, it exists on a DVD in your locker. Great, great point, Gus. It comes here if you want, a lot of what you want. I can go hang out with it. Yeah, I have all the invoices archive, too. That was painful. We had the scrapping that.

It's really difficult to do. Cannot be afraid to do that. Sometimes when you start hitting down a road, you just don't know until you're six or seven months in that you don't shit, we're on the wrong road. Yeah. And then we tried to make it work for a while. And it was just it was just bad.

I remember that was Nathan's entire life for like a year. Was him in that big green spreadsheet that had the green and the yellow blocks. The bugs, yeah. Yeah. And then we went through it and then we showed it to some of the hiring users Just you ever see that intermediate site? I don't I don't I must have I Mean so you switched from the PHP boards to the intermediate. No, no, no

It's when the 1.5 site. No, no, we have though. We have the current site in place and we were gonna switch to something new In an effort to just you know, we just fresh we. We showed it, RBTO, one year, made it back. I heard about it. Yeah, I heard about it. And I think I got a beta pass to it. And it looked like everything in the kitchen sink was in there. And I was just, I was like, it's a great way to put it. And I was like, this is fucking stupid.

But I would never say that to you because I was a lot nicer back then until I came met your person and I realized that it would not offend you, I think. It was a lot of good, very helpful. I don't want to say this a lot of money. It was fucking stupid. And I'm like these guys are throwing their careers down the toilets. No, I didn't It would have been very helpful. I don't want to save this a lot of money. It was fucking stupid. And I'm like these guys are throwing their careers down the toilets. No, I didn't say any of that or think it.

But it was too much. And I really like the simplicity of the site now. I think it's still in some ways superior to Facebook. I think that not having everything live updating is kind of nice. And being able to say, oh, what I haven't checked in on somebody for a while, it's good. I thought the biggest change you guys made

was the change in the economy. And that was, I think, the most interesting thing about the original site was that no site had had any sort of, like, currency to it. And you introduce something and users started to compete for a currency that was virtual, almost like a second life, but in a social sense. It was really cool. And I know you've made some shifts to it, but I thought that was probably the biggest innovation. The bigger innovation would have been to charge people for mod points.

No, I think the bigger, you could have, but that's what they do for like a mafia wars and stuff. You really could have been killing on it. Yeah, but it just destroyed a lot of what people were doing was just they were fighting for mod points or they were faking it. And that was the big deal. And it became the major issue of like, you know, you guys have got a police system system and you have to say, it's just for interaction for tone people you like stuff. It's like, no, I need more points. Like, nobody can see your point. We have what you care. That's why back then we had like 15 mods and all they did was manage that. It's it. And cash people was in cash people mod cheating constantly. And that was like, it was,

it would make people sense. It's like, we're doing something else around here. We're not doing that. And it was like, the point of the mod people in sense. It's like we're doing something else around here We're not doing that and it was like the point of the mod system You talk about it like it currency. That's not what it was. It's that it was a weird side thing that happened That we never anticipated it was the thing that we the people were supposed to be able to say Instead of commenting is saying I really like what you just said they could just plus one the comment They could say plus one cool plus one funny or minus one lame and then they're called mod points because they were supposed to help moderate the site Right, nobody ever used them like that either. They're just but eventually they did they did become currency when you guys started putting the most modded users in the front page We still have that though

Yeah, that was who got modded not who got mod points That was who got modded right right right right so you had the most people the most positive contributor to the site in a way Exactly the person who received the most positive mods You can think of it I guess now in retrospect looking back at it. It's almost like a Facebook like but with it is more attributes assigned to it And with also a dislike side of the attribute as well. Yeah, you can say you dislike something in a job Positive or negative and then for a more specific reason you get a lot of like little wars You'd have whole battles fought over who dropped that mod bomb on me.

What do they call it when somebody would hit you with like 300 negative points or something? Yeah, and the people getting furious. Oh, it'd be the end of their lives because they get so invested in this number as if it represented. For me, to be watched was like very nice. I didn't really care about the number. So I was really glad you switched it over to the simpler plus one minus one kind of thing. You get one vote. I think people were sort of hoarding glad you switched it over to the simpler plus one minus one kind of thing. You get one vote. I think people are sort of hoarding and cheating and it's weird.

But it formed a sort of really interesting culture I thought at the time. Well, a great example of how the new system is so much better is that if you go back and just go back and look at what my journal is because my journal a lot of people end up on it, right? If you go back four years from now, we know, or three years from now, one of my journals might have five mods, like five plus mods on it, or ten. Now there's like 350. And that's awesome. That was the point of it. Or you would have a journal that had 500 mods and it didn't mean anything to you because it could have literally been,

like FinSlimch really thought it was funny and gave you 500 mods, right? You'd one person number meant nothing and number meant nothing and now it's like you know 350 people like your journal Yeah, I like that a lot. I like the fact that I can check to because I feel like I can go see who it is that actually liked what I did I love to be able to check my history on that. That was a great addition. Yeah, well actually that's turned off right now because of performance to choose Kind of turned out. It's just trimmed. It's just turned down. It's like it's right now. It's kind of paused. It's before it was all think about every mod point, every given on the site for everyone was all in one giant table. It was like ones and zeros. Just this enormously long string and it just became a little uh, unruly.

I wonder how many mod points that is. Do you have any concept for how many mod points have been given? I could tell you. I'd have to look into it. Well, the E-Motomy got 12 trillion points. We get that name for it. It's awesome. Yeah. The economy.

What I think is really interesting is you guys were dealing with the privacy issues of Facebook before Facebook when you installed that the view history thing. What do you call that? The vlog. The vlog. Right. So you could really sort of check up on where somebody had gone or not gone. And that was sort of Facebook before Facebook, you know. You could check up on what people had done publicly. Yeah. And that's why that's why I never thought it

was a big deal. Right. Because it's something I was doing publicly anyway. Yeah. You couldn't check and see like he messaged so and so or something like that. It was right or he made a friend's only journal. You could and that's actually or he hooked up with that girl that was really a dude. he made a friend's only journal. And that's actually, or you hooked up with that girl that was really a dude. Sorry. And that actually wasn't that new of feature. PHPB had a user log in it where you could see

where someone had posted. And so if you were posting with someone, you can see where they go. So it's pretty much the same thing. I mean, do I remember, I remember Jess, I remember you actually talked to me about that. Like you were really concerned about e-stalkers. And I said, and people were talking to me.

I was? I'm worried about e-stalkers. I encourage e e-stockers nowadays because I'm desperate for attention right now I'm gonna continue back then. I was probably a little different and that's I remember asking like what is that? I don't know what that is I don't know who are the people that are e-stocking people in the site What does that mean and what is the information you're putting out there publicly anyway? Well, I think it was all growing process for the web to I think that none of us really knew how to deal with these new Issues of you're going or you're not used to going around and so having somebody be able to track who you've talked to. It's just odd at first, but then you realize that, you know, this is

public and what I say here is, is part of a larger record and you just got to kind of get rid of the idea of privacy. Well, I didn't understand like you were one of people who didn't like it. What was different from view log versus watch? Because watch put, when you put up an image, they could see it. And when they put up a journal They could see it. I think the big difference is well, I'm sorry, I want to actually go ahead No, I well, I feel like one is a one-on-broadcasting intentionally one. I'm saying I mean I guess I I can be sort of selective sometimes I tried to be very open, but I can be selective

So one I'm choosing to send to a lot of people one I'm directing towards one person and I understand that other people come across a profile They can see it too, but it's really sort of a narrow message and I felt maybe at the time it's hard to go back that that Narrow message was sort of being broadcasted by that link button Mm-hmm. Oh, so you're talking my personal comments when you would leave correct And it's good for people who want to decide doesn't cool equivalent of our wall essentially, right? It's just kind of and you know Facebook does it too And I think you just get kind of used to it. But it's kind of weird.

Like I left a message for somebody somewhere and I know it's in their part of whatever the E world or the world. And that somebody else can follow that and sort of get involved in something that really wasn't directed towards them and maybe they're not even part of that crowd. And then comment on that.

I still find that kind of odd. The other thing too is that you also consider the fact that we talk about this when we're designing the site. Is that our experience on the site, I mean the staff members of Rochite, is entirely different from everybody else. If we design features that we use, most people don't have a use for those because our level of use on that site is totally different. People, like we deal with a lot of people wanting to talk in our personal comments and like that. For most people on the site, they're trying to meet other people,

they're trying to start relationships. And you, as a most watched member on the entire site, people are watching out for what you do. So your experience on the site, totally different than the average user's experience. Yeah, let me tell you something about being that most watching. It always strikes me to sort of odd hearing it

because it sort of connotates an arrogance that I've never been really comfortable with just by the title itself. I mean I like the fact a lot of people participate in what I do but I feel at the same time that it makes you seem like you think you're something because you have some title that just seemed to happen because you did stuff that people were interested in. And I don't know I've always been sort of sensitive about coming across as anything but being very humble about that. No, you're super-dush. Well, yeah. But only, you know, hear it, rooster teeth productions.

You know, I started that fucking electrical fire, so you don't cross me again to what happens. So why are you wearing that most watch t-shirt? And that's what I'm... Did you make that yourself? Well, you know, I had to trade my highest karma level underwear and get this most watch teeth, but not... I lost that karma thing years ago and I gave it up. You know, in the discussion, but we go back to the E-mod and me change,

where instead of having, you couldn't mod something. The other thing, the other flip side of that mod economy thing was, when you ran out of mod points, you couldn't mod something anymore. You had to give more, right? Somebody had to give them back to you, right? Or you had to use the site for a while and build them up for you. That was our thought at the time, was it encourage you to make a journal or do something that people would mod so that you'd then get mod points for it.

It obviously worked, right? I mean, it worked, you just got out of control. And that you would spend them judiciously, because they took work to get. Right. But then people just started banking them. Yep. And so one of the things we talked about to replace it,

I remember one of the users came up, no one could make a really argument for keeping them. It was just that they're here. And people who didn't want to lose them, that was the one to argue the most, I think. The people who were cheating and breathing. Basically, I'm cheating, but the two who were breaking the system wanted to keep them away. I want to point this out to you. It's almost like, it's not even on the level like achievements on Xbox. I'm trying to think how to equate it. It was a point total that you had, but nobody else knew you had it. Like, you were the only person you could see how many mod points you had. And they were meant so that you can mod other people. They weren't meant to, they weren't meant to be something you hoarded like a point system where you got hired. That was your karma level. Right. So this was a bank of points you

had to give to other people, but then people tried to get them as high as possible because it's a number. They tried to raise it as high as possible, which meant they were actively not modding other people. And then what they were doing is saving them up and bombing someone's account. Yeah, they pulled them. They get like a group of six, you know, nasty little bastards. And if you can hear this, you know, who you are, they'd pull them together and then they go after some user they didn't like it and, you know, like their pictures or whatever

and they just do it to make them feel small. So it was being used as a really sort of cruel tactic. Well, you know, someone said, here's my new dog and they give it negative 800 more. Right? You know, just because they were there. And we'd have like a fucking heated pet dog. A plane more, yeah, at all. Dude, that dog was a douche.

I hate that dog. Well, the one argument I heard that there was pro mod points that I like was invisible pen said, if someone really made me laugh that day, I give him five. And there's no point to it. I just felt like I was doing something more and it was like, it was just for the lulls. And I will say that like when I would release something that I really him five and there's no point to it I just felt like I was doing something more and it was like it was just for the laws and I will say that like when I would release something That I really cared about and then somebody would just boost it to like 2000 mod points. It felt really good if because you knew that somebody because you couldn't just say add 500

You had to do it one at a time So you knew somebody sat at their computer for like an hour and a half saying man, I really fucking look You could write a job so it doesn't bother you just when you put something out and you get 2000 mod, you're like, who did this? Did one person do it? Or did 2000 people do it? Yeah, I mean, I was like, I say, like I always liked the fact that people would get my journal updates more than these points, but they were nice in a way for that one time,

because you know, what I do requires getting attention just like, you know, any sort of small company out there. And there was a small time when you were the most modded you would appear on the front page as the three most modded members. So it actually had value because I would get more attention by being on the front page and more people would you know get to watch the stuff that I did. So I mean there was a reason in the system that I liked it but as far as getting the points did they mean anything you know not really. Yeah we had to take people off the front page too because that became that was a thing that

You know you could be it was still the same thing you're talking about two different things You can still be the most modern member on the site that sites that still exists on the site right and But the mod economy was how the mob points were given out now the mod points are given out Whereas if you ended up on the front page every one on the site likes this thing. As opposed to like, I have a buddy who has 5,000 points. Right. And he pounded, you know, my journal entry with 5,000 points. And so now I'm on the front page. That has no value. Right. We were trying to, we're trying to protect the value of the one.

One's a legitimate appearance on the front page. Right. What's just power level? We know you and your buddies like your thing. We get that, you know what I mean. But the other part of it too is that, you know, with the putting users on the front page is that, I mean, that's a classic example, a couple bad apples. I mean, it's just like, they get on the front page

and they change their avatar picture to Cox. And it's like, that's what we can't have pictures of Cox on our front page. That was a sad day. You know what I'm pretty sad. Do you remember what I put on the front page of Bet you do Bernie? That was sort of borderline early on? No, I don't remember. Okay, so here's how you shoot your picture put on the front page? I bet you do, Bernie. That was sort of borderline early on.

Yeah, I don't remember. Okay, so here's how you shoot your picture of a girl, right? Yeah, well, here's what I did. And, you know, is it unethical? I don't know. I wanted to have people watch the stuff that I created as well, and I was going on the internet showing it. And I really loved the rest of the community. And so they would put me on the front page and I decided that the thing that would get most people to come through to my Profile would be to put this girl Against a brick wall who is just far enough away that she seemed like she could have been attractive But the only way to find out was to click that little icon and see her come up

And it was like a trap almost they would come through and I said if you clicked on this girl's picture You're stupid It was like sort of ironic I I acknowledged the fact it was ridiculous if you clicked on this girl's picture, you're stupid. It was like sort of ironic. I acknowledged the fact it was ridiculous they were coming through and then I shared with what I did. But I know it was like that putting that cheap little porn picture to get people through the door and I apologize for anybody.

I forgot about that. What do you think you'd be following or selling their stupid? Well, I know of it, but at least it's ironic. I'm not obviously I'm embracing them with the sort of humor and saying if you clicked on it, I mean, we all know by clicking through on a hot chick and it's not the hot chick You you've sort of fooled yourself, you know, you you shouldn't have been clicking on it in the first place What it's what every video on YouTube does? Yeah, basically, I mean you guys did it recently as a joke too

That was part of the video making fun of that and so we did it and yeah our comments are filled with people like mad It's like it's part of the show That's the point that's the point of it is the point on how ridiculous it is. They were also mad about the YouTube annotations. We could not turn off. Yeah, because we love the annotations. We were making fun of all the stupid stuff that people do. I mean, this was the purpose of the video. I actually went out and made my new movie. I was working on it and I showed this video saying all the stupid shit that people do and I'm like, I do like six or the 10 things on that list.

That was so ashamed. I really almost erased erased my heart. Did you upgrade from Windows Movie Maker? I use iMovie thank you. No I don't use either. We're talking about the what's it called the how to make successful online video? How to make successful which in itself is funny because people always make those videos like how to make a successful online video it's like you mean you make two videos. Why don't you make another video? Yeah don't everybody goes in the tutorial mode immediately. This is the end all be all when it's like a video for dummies book That's what I want to know how to make a web video for dummies. I'm sure it is. They're probably already is yeah. I'm sure it is Webs here lonely girl 15 for dummies. Jesus

No fans lonely girl. I think I've met her. No, I met I stood next to her. It was quite an honor I say that with a lot of dry sarcasm. Oh, do you really? You want to hear some grievances here? No, no, no. Those guys are very quietly, very quietly smart. Oh, I've actually met them at the beginning. I don't know the good at all. But the dudes, I've met them both, I think,

miles and this other guy. And they're really smart and very savvy. And they're actually pretty good filmmakers. So I take nothing from them. It's sort of the YouTube phenomena that gets me. You can kind of read between the lines on those guys and I think they were making it. On the money.

You know, I saw, it's when you saw the guys who are just they took the quiet. Is the quiet? I saw an article on businessinsider.com this past week ranking people like YouTube partners that they suspect make all make over $100,000 a year. And they tried to run the numbers on these people. Like I guess like estimating a CPM and the number of views again. It's trying to estimate how much money it was.

How funny was that? It was pretty awesome. Who do you think the top money making YouTube views are? I'm going to go with Shane Dawson. Probably is now. Shane Dawson or Phil or who was it? Who was it? It was a carly Icarl or youcarl.

What the fuck that is? No, I think or For that or the... It's just like a view counter. Oh, it's probably the annoying orange. It's probably the annoying orange, like in a short-term basis. Yeah, I think it's the only one. This insider put Shane Dawson in this number one and annoying orange is number two. Yeah.

If anybody's curious. Or that Ray William Johnson, dude. How much money do they say that... How much money do they think the annoying orange is making? They think the annoying orange is making $288,000. How do you guys hear? We're in the guessable world record for288,000. How do you guys hear? We're in the guess of the world record for making come on. What was that?

Whatever they came up. Whatever number they came up. So how do you guys feel about videos like that? Business inside is not very inside Yeah, Jesse. What do we think about videos like that? Our whole thing is if it has a lot of views They're doing something that people identify with and Everyone he everybody does something different. That's what's cool about the internet and there's people who do really different stuff like we'll work our ass off on a video for a week or in some cases three or four months and we'll put it out because that's what we do We do narrative stuff, but then some guy will wake up in the morning look at a camera and he'll get twice See him on a views that we will and he'll get it in 15 minutes You know what I mean because of just 15 minutes of production time I'm just talking into the camera and he'll get twice the amount of views that we will and he'll get it in 15 minutes, you know what I mean? Because of just 15 minutes of production time. I'm just talking into the camera and telling him about his day. But what that guy does, it's a difficult

skill if everybody could do it, everybody would. What he does has value. No, and it appeals to an audience that's obvious. People get so upset like we're using knowing orange as an example. People get so upset that an annoying orange video has 30 million views and their video has like 100,000 but at the same time a movie like kickass makes 30 million and white girls makes 90 million. You know, it's the exact same thing across entertainment. It's just appealing to a broader audience. Well, I don't have any issue with, I mean, I think it's different strokes with different

folks and you can't really take anything. Well, I think the annoying thing sometimes is when you see videos that are really one-offs, but in the end, it doesn't really benefit the creator anyway because nobody comes back for the second iteration of, and no offense to the guy out there, chocolate rain, the sequel. It just doesn't happen. But I think, I agree, Orange, they consistently produce content that people seem to like. I'm always curious if they'll do it again with a different format as creators, but I certainly don't take anything away from them. I'm always just curious

how other companies feel about it. I think the most important thing is to recognize, for those people, is to recognize what your appeal is, right? And to honor that in a way. I recognize why people are watching my video, and I'm going to do what I do to meet that expectation. Like you said, the chocolate ring ring guy Taz on date, right? That nice guy. Yeah that that guy I have no idea who he is I mean fucking prick. I met him twice. He sounds like that in real life I bet he does but you know here. He does his song does a song and it's like he is making a video He is singing so that's why he put it up

But people recognize something else in it and he recognized what they liked about it And he met that expectation like he run Jimmy Kimmel, and he did commercials and things like that. He kind of banked on the irony of the whole thing. That's smart, that's a good thing to do. We make part of the David after the Dennis guy. That guy was smart and he paid for his kids college. He probably did.

150,000 he made. The video was out there. Is that what he made? Yeah, it was a hundred grand from YouTube and I think in 50K from T-Shirt sales or reverse. I'm sure I went to his site and checked it out. And he says, it seems like a smart, nice guy too.

I hope that money goes to that kid. Well, I hope so too. You know, you hope that, but it seems like as it's his kid and all that stuff. He did tape his kid, drugged up, put on YouTube. But that once that was done, he did take advantage of the situation. And there are going to be people,

and I was probably one of them when I first saw it said man this seems really exploited it. Right, right, right, but I'm not going to be there in 18 years when like kids go in right college going hey man, I like the fact you didn't exploit your kid let me kick in some money for his college. Exactly. So I guess in that sense, I wonder if you really did search like how many parents got their kids intentionally high to try to get those.

Oh jeez. No. I'm jeez. No. Got to be terrible. Wasn't that that that thing where that woman just got arrested because she put up photos of her two-year-old daughter holding a bong. Yeah, that's what they're like. There are people holding the bong. Yeah, I get her face first in it. That was someone in Houston, I think, called the cops in Florida and showed them that photo. It was an internet thing where someone from a far off land got someone arrested in another place. The issue is really, though, in me and Jack talked about this, when you put people like Snooki and etc. on a pedestal for doing really crazy shit, what kind of precedent are you

sending for everybody else to try to achieve the same sort of comical effect, to try to get the same sense of fame, which 10 million, you know, are not going to get it one is. What does that do is sort of like, you know, to everyone, to society. I don't know that Snookies on a pedestal though. I think that we've realized in the last 20 years, with the way television's gone, that America is totally okay with pointing and laughing at people. Yes. And you can probably do

okay to be pointed at and laughed at if that's what you want to do. Right. I mean, the guy's going to make, we just read today, that the situation guy's going to make $5 million this year, make more than like a lot of major stars. And what's going to, sir? The situation that guy's from, you're the short.

He's the other guy, yeah. So you can make $5 million this year. And he's going to make more than what's Scarlett Johansson and a lot of like, you know, top celebrities. So what does this say as far as like putting a precedent out there for people who are trying to make content? Um, you know, it's like, it says hit the gym.

I want to be the calf guy. I want to be guy who has like awesome caps, you know, I don't know what I call it, the lower situation or something. I think it's by lottery tickets, right? Yeah, because lottery tickets, you know, I mean, that's the same thing. I mean, it's like, does he, maybe he'll do something with it, and that's a really good success story. But I mean, chances are, it's just a guy who embodies something that's in the culture at that time.

I'll tell you what he'll do with it. He'll put out a music album at some point, and he will do appearances of parties for like 40 grand and he'll MC places, and he'll have a great life and be happy as hell doing that for the rest of his life. And the sex tape. Yeah, and the sex tape. Yeah, I got a maybe three years from now, I'll have a sex tape and nobody will remember

him in 10 years, but it won't matter because he'll be living in a mansion. It's hoping he'll be remembering the fucking money he still has. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's a nitch thing. Like, I go to the grocery store and I look at these gossip magazines. There's a lot of time, but I'm like, who the fuck are these people? Reality TV shows are really fucked that up. You can see Jennifer Aniston or somebody

you don't recognize. That's who's on the cover every gossip magazine. Like the situation. I didn't know who that Heidi and Spencer were. I just didn't know who the fuck they were. And now she has a sex tape coming out. Like, you know, the thing that's crazy about that Jersey Shore, it's so popular

that it's beating the prime time network shows now. It's really? Yeah, it's like supposedly the first time or one of the first times that a basic cable show has competed with network television. Wow, I'm getting it just frouncing it. I mean how far away you guys see the movie, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a I mean, yeah, it's like when you win a beer, is right. Dude, I just discovered a wipeout. I can't stop watching it. It's just people getting hit in the head. You know, a phone. That's because you got a hulu plus, right?

I got a hulu plus. The pickings are slams, so you got a take what you can get. Angry Birds fucked me, so now I gotta find something else to do in the bathroom. Have you seen Ninja Warrior? Wait, wait, what happened at Angry Birds? I upgraded. I had therapy.

Now they're just, you've had disgruntled murders. I plugged my iPhone into my laptop and backed it up and then upgraded the new OS and I lost my anger bird safehouse somehow. I even restored from backup and it's just gone. What? I had one level left to three star in the entire game out of like 250 levels and it's gone. I have three stars and everything and I'm just going to show it off endlessly here. You normally sink to your laptop or you normally sink to another computer.

I normally sink to another computer, but I made a backup before just in case. Hey, I just want to say, for the record, PCs don't work that sarcasm, because that was Mac fail. They look Mac fail. Oh, I see what you're saying. He's balancing it for us? It sucked.

Yeah, that sucked. But whatever. Are you going to go back on? Re-3 star everything? Yeah. There's no way. You can't waste the time on that. There's no us. It's sucked. Yeah, that's what ever I'm gonna go back on read three star everything. Yeah, there's no way you can't waste the time on that It's way too. It was a waste of time the first time Yeah, but you did it because you felt the need to see those three stars and get that stupid golden egg But now now I wouldn't do either. I was one level away from having all 14 golden eggs What is a golden egg? It's like a Easter egg in the game Yeah, you got to find little golden eggs that are hidden around and

inside of Anya birds and they never they never they never peel but you get the sense that there's chocolate in there's golden You actually got to be right they're great. They're like Achievements are avatar awards are there. They're very fun to find and catch. Hey, did you see that? According to Alexa, which of course, I'm putting that toist by YouTube is now the third most visited site on the internet. What's number one? It's past Yahoo. Facebook number one.

All right. Oh, Facebook. I know. See number one's Google number two space book. Wow. So number three is YouTube number three is YouTube and now number four is Yahoo. But you can't really separate Google and Yahoo. Yahoo at all because when you do a Google search for any video, like they pop up,

like conveniently in video format through Google, they're tied completely. After Yahoo is live.com, Baidu, Wikipedia, Blogger, MSN.com, and Twitter, rounding up at top 10. What is live, what do they do? That's all my conversation. Okay, it's like, it's hot meal.

No. Okay. That's interesting. So yeah, YouTube, moving up. Yeah. So Google has two of the top three? I'm sorry, on your list, it was AOL on there anywhere. I know a well was not on there Well, you laughing but I mean Yahoo's on there. I don't who goes to Yahoo Yeah, which on Yahoo follow up. I think I read Today that Yahoo is switched its search engine like the the back end engine over to Bing

So yeah, So is that true? Maybe Yahoo! Yeah, who is now powered by Bing? Yahoo! Used to be powered by Google, didn't it? Yes, Yahoo! So they just a news scraper now? They don't do anything else? I guess they're trying to maybe promote themselves

as a portal, you know, like where you get your news and stuff like that. Yahoo! Yahoo! Still has one of the best finance sections of any website. Yahoo! Yahoo! Yahoo!

New is a great site. I actually use it. They also have a really good fantasy sports side. Oh, yeah, I use games that a lot too. We should do a fantasy football lead here for the office. Let's do it. Fuck it. I hate that. All right, so Bernie is in. Bernie, let me just, you hate cheering for both teams. I hate cheering for players.

I cheer for teams. You know what else? I hate lock and point spreads. I hate that. For those of you who aren't aware of the scourge of fantasy football, it's where you build your own football team from players all across the league and so like you have a receiver from the Packers and you have a quarterback from the Texans and then you just watch the game to watch the performance of the player. It's the worst thing ever. But it's a very, thing. It's the best fucking season. No, it's the best thing ever.

It is the best thing ever. Every single football game, every single football game has some sort of importance to you. It's live action video game football. I feel like we're getting dangerous. No, no, fuck it. I want to end that. I want to end this fucking stick when we have sports talk. We can talk about whatever we want.

Guys, what's up, man? Hey, hey, so we should do a fantasy sports league. Absolutely Bernie Can join if you want to but he does not all but you I mean you're gonna do I'm gonna do something else I'm enjoying and pick a fucking team at random I'm never gonna trade anybody and that's it and I'm gonna be just let it out of draft You do that. I'm gonna let it all out of draft You know what that means I guess every scene one of those negative leagues where it's you get points for people doing bad things No, that sounds retarded. It's pretty cool. Like friend wrote a one. Tyrell goes out and gets drunk. Is that?

No, it's like, for example, you pick a running back. You have to have nothing with starting players, but you get points based on them failing at stuff. So if they fumble the ball, you get two points. But if they score a touchdown, you actually lose points. So it's like reverse. So you're picking players, you can go do bad. So that's what I mean, in essence,

you could just flip your bracket on your fantasy league and whoever's in bottom. Yeah. Last like, for actually in first place. So what team do they support down here? No, I can I can solve that problem. I can I get a winning team in your little fail league instantly. What? I'll just go. Cleveland Browns. Cleveland's guy called McCold. No, no, I'm just I'm not up on good. Jordan Schififty former UT wider sewers doing pretty good with bingles this season. I'm so happy I can talk about sports of the pocket. This is boring me to death. Okay. Guys, I'm gonna go back on your going back. I'm gonna agree. All right. All right. I try to control. We'll talk afterwards. It's it's terrible. It's terrible. It's terrible. It's a you should you should enjoy it for what it is football or whatever sport you watch watching because you watch it You're friends drink a beer. You know has some popcorn. Don't fucking get out of chart

I always liked the Australian name for American football like you know you're up and everything They call it American football in Australia. They call America football grid iron That's a awesome name for football. It sounds like we should rename it. It's like robots and grid I know it sounds awesome What was that robot video game when you built your football team? They were robot like why how can you even ask that question in this room? That cyberball cyberball? Sorry, dude. The fucking nuclear ball that would blow up after a while. That's right It was a critical. Yeah, it was awesome. It's fucking awesome

Why is that not in the little arcade thing that you have in the office then? I'd like to play arcade things broken I know why you also had like a And you have like a really specific forward joystick console, right? The tournament edition. Right. And cymbal did. So, I was also good.

Here's a great trivia question. What was the year of cymbal? Because it was the 24, wasn't it? I think you are correct. Wow. Or was that Roba Tron? That was Roba Tron. I look at that.

No, I think I'm old school. We're the 2014 cymbal 2014 or 2020. So we only have 2088, four years to go. It's all right, and then we have 272. 272, that seems plausible. Oh yeah. That's totally realistic. Steven Hawking will tell you that.

Well, we do that with Mertable already that just like their actual dudes and wheel chairs. Hey, weren't you telling me Gus the other day that Steven Hawking has said that we are 200 years away from being the ones on the podcast? Yeah, we said that last Wednesday and years away from being the ones on the podcast. We said that last Wednesday and drunk thanks every time. I was referencing it. Cool.

No need to go there. We can mention Teflon here. Deflection. All right. We're going to talk about it. So yesterday, after putting out the fire at the new building, another thing that I tried to do was because the power went out, they decided to change up the projects and the order they were going to work on them. So they said, Bernie, can you get the dishwasher for the new building? And I said, sure, let me just,

I'm already out. Let me run out and get a dishwasher. Let me tell you something. And this is going to apply to none of you. If you want to get a dishwasher in one day, here, let's roleplay, Jeff, you and I. All right, let's do a role play. I'm actually you be me All right, I'm Bernie and I will be all the appliances stores in the city of Austin Okay, and you want to get dishwasher today. Hello sir. How can I help you? Well, and I'm glad that you asked I'm actually looking for a dishwasher for my business We just bought a new building and we're sick of watching dishes So we'd like to just I just want to run in real fast the guys are ready to install it

Just pick up a dishwasher Money is no object because I'm loaded when you want to delivered I Actually, I have a giant pickup truck. I can just have somebody throw it in the back of my truck right now go fuck yourself, sir Excuse me. I'm sorry. We've been talking. Bye No, I wouldn't I went to a thousand places yesterday I finally got a lows where they could they had six dishwashers in stock But everywhere was like I calm on the phone. They go. Yeah, we got stainless steel dishwashers. No problem. Come on in I come in It'll be three weeks for delivery three weeks. Some people was the closest. I think they were a week and a half out

Can you wheel it out yourself? I'll even buy the dolly in your store They would offer to show me the showroom model. I'm not gonna buy a showroom model Please watch your never put dishes. You don't know what people employees are like watching their drawers in the store in that shit or worse you know I you know any part of that is what those watching their flesh lights it's not yeah flesh light dude and what is with it with two edits

yeah to stop at the Apple store the other day and what is with the fact that I don't think they sell any iPads actually with just Wi-Fi I think that's bullshit I think they're all Wi-Fi 3G I think that model doesn't exist I with just Wi-Fi. I think that's bullshit. I think they're all Wi-Fi 3G. I think that model doesn't exist. I have a Wi-Fi. I have a Wi-Fi. Fuck you guys. I'm going home. Yeah, they all got Wi-Fi. Every store I went to, they're like, no, we don't have that, but you can have the model that you'll never use for an extra $29.00. I'm like, thanks a lot. Then I get it, and they're like, oh, two weeks ago, by the way, we stopped the unlimited plan, so fuck you on that front, too. Oh, you have a 3G one? I a 3G that's not activated because I didn't have anything couldn't find it with seven stores

I drove like a hundred miles to get a iPad. I bought mine on apple.com slash store I'm getting really quiet I went to the Apple store and I said hey do you have iPads? They said no, I said can I get on a list? They said yeah, then two days later They call me like your iPads here, sir, and I said okay Okay, my point is kind of dead That was good as Bernie's fucking a washer story Sorry, the iPad wasn't a critical emergency. I didn't have a hot button situation But you didn't the point had to be resolved so I waited two days

When I wanted I didn't waste 129 dollars. I wasted two days So what so Bernie you you could wait a few days What is the issue about needing to get it right? Because Because the power was out. Yeah, the counter was... ...something that they get installed right there. Is that chair, guys? That chair, man. Yeah, I'm good, Gus. And I got me started. I can't see you. I don't know what's going on back there, but it's making me angry. Oh, yeah. I'm sorry. Gus hates you.

If it's anybody sitting behind you, make you mad. It's like, I'm like, like something in my periphery's moving. Absolutely. You know, I'm sitting in Gus' vision, and today we got to talk about sports, and he's yelling. Yeah, so, I'm always sticking with Jeff, and Jeff and I have direct eye contact. That's what he is. He's smiling this whole time. Great.

I know, Jack's not quitting to podcast. That's it? Well, nothing been slammed. Pat Pogas is an ORIOT. Well, I came into the office, and I'm the most watch user, and they're like, I don't watch you, douchebag. Get the fuck out. I mean, it's like, who are you?

In Gus and the mean is personal life to me. I don't know why. Well, you can't remember that I take half an half in my coffee. It's not my fault. Yeah, he's like, be my intern. I'm like, my name's not Gabino. Oh snap, I love you, Gab. Oh, did you guys see the new Drunk Tank animated adventures with Gab's headlight story?

That's classic. An idiot. Classic. Love you the funniest moment in history. with Gavshead Lightfoot story. Okay, that's classic. On idiot. Classic. Love you the funniest moment in the history of Rip Drunk Thing. Rip from the Drunk Tank Archives. What episode did that, Tina? I only know because it was in that video.

It was Drunk Tank No.30. Wow. You can almost hear the leper it's about to leap while he's talking. I was trying to egg him on a little more. No, that's so quiet. It was like really the headlight fluid. I think Bernie doesn't lost it. It was so hard. so hard not to laugh. It was like, oh man. I'm a total dumbass because I didn't realize it. At first I'm like, why are they getting on top of him? Like a

Ted light fluid. I bought it. I'm kind of dumb too. He said it very naturally that the headlight fluid got a little bit of the stunt driver. But very part of that, the animation is he talks about the stunt driver burning his hands and he says this stunt driver says oh My arms roll on fire So comfy it's very British. I've burned up all my arms That kid is great those animations are classic. I speak in a British did you see the new Wheatley trailer for Give a shout out to the guy who does it? J. Or Dan or the J. or Dan 23

J. or Dan 23. Yeah on the side is J. or Dan 23 you should watch J. or Dan 23? J. or Dan 23. Yeah, on the side is J. or Dan 23. You should watch that guy because he's funny. Very funny. But I do use the new Jessica. Give me all your mind points. It is a new portal to trailer with Steven Merchant now does the voice of Wheatley. He replaced, was it an animator or someone?

Yeah, I think it was someone internal. Yeah, someone internal that some British guy had, they had him doing the voice and then they replaced him with Steven Merchant. Steven Merchant is Ricky Jervase's writing plan. I don't know who we at least is. He's the little the new little character in portal too. Yeah I'm been watching the trailer. Yeah he's like a little eye that sort of follows you around and helps you out and stuff and he's sort of a comic relief. He's like your

friendly robot. Yeah. So anyway the new trailer is really really cool. They show some they show like a assembly or like the turrets being built. Yeah and then they and then they show a bit. They show the end of the new trailer is the same as the end of the old E3 trailer, but I guess now it's Steve and merchant doing some of the lines and he changed it up a little bit. Yeah, yeah.

So it's really funny. Based on what some people told me about that with the painting that you do, it's just none of it makes any sense to me. He means like the repellent paint, like the blue, the blue, yeah. Yeah, I haven't seen. Oh, the new stuff.

Right, it's crazy. That must be a hard team to get people to join, you know, to interview them. How you qualify for being on a portal development team? You got to have like four PhDs, right? You have to have built a rocket that went to space. You have had a hundred miles, doesn't qualify in real space. That's the worst orbit. Everyone knows that. It's drawn to me. It's a maze over in one minute. But I just got done playing StarCraft 2,

playing all the way through. And I actually played the last four levels of casual just so I could get through the story as fast as I possibly could, because they were that good. I came in and you saw me come in. I was showing you guys cutscenes from the game on Gus' collectors edition disc. Oh, yeah, well you already beat it I am done you bought the game like last week right about a friend I played I took a couple days to be yeah, I don't know I took my time with a 12 hour game

I'll replay the whole lot of the achievements RGS is a weird genre because it can be a fucking grind when you play it or you can just play the way I play Which is set up a bunch of bunkers and then build the biggest possible army of death behind it and then just rolls the entire map. Right. And that's just a way I mean once you learn that strategy against AI like this campaign that works fine. Yeah, it's AI.

I'm casual. That's an over an hour. Oh, I'm casual in like five units. You go through the whole damn thing. It took me a long time to beat the first level on brutal you beat the first level I beat the first level on brutal. I could do it fucking tough I'm gonna almost all the first ones on brutal now really yeah I've only been from month. I only played multiplayer for some reason. I don't play a campaign. That's so interesting to me

I would never set foot in multiplayer I'm gonna play a game and I hate multiplayer games because I hate little kids screaming in my ear from start to finish But I can't really hear them in that game. So I just you know, I get to play in peace. It's kind of fun Hard as Brutal's bitch Jack. Yeah, I can imagine yeah, hard hard was pretty difficult So I can all imagine Brutal's insane birdie. Did you watch all the cutscenes of all the different people like you talked to Tosh and Ty and all those guys yeah, we went through all of them like every between every level pretty much I mean, I think I did. That's pretty cool. I don't think I missed everything.

And it's also, there's a mixture there of in-game cinematics and then cinematics. Yeah. Which are their full CG cinematics. Holy cow, man. The people who do that, there's a cinematics team at Blizzard. No, they're internal Blizzard. They have a director. They have a director.

Oh, okay. And everything. They do all their own stuff. Those guys are putting out, I think think the best stuff on the planet right now I would rather watch a blizzard cinematic than watch a Pixar short We watched that betrayal level you were showing at your desk. Yeah, the carigan flashback gripping well so good if you you know we were looking at the collectors edition DVD I think if you watch all the

Cinematic cutscenes and it's about an hour and 20 minutes of G's in a matter so it's a movie. It's almost a movie. I mean they saw yeah, it's a short movie. They saw what 11 million copies so far It's probably going to be a lot more obviously the world of work craft. I mean didn't is not like a 50 for 60 bucks a pop like $600 million. Yeah, not like they're short on funds to hire talent and they're becoming the sort of new movie studios. It's interesting Yeah, but it was it's it's ground breaking's interesting. Yeah, but it's groundbreaking to me. And it's a 12-year development cycle. That's awesome. Like the way Carrigan looks in that, and the writing is great too, but the way Carrigan

looks in that cinematic, to me, that's as good as I wanted to look. Does that make sense? Yeah, absolutely. And Carrigan, that character, she's one of the main characters in StarCraft. She had a great storyline in there. And she's probably the best version of that girl, that, you know, tough girl. You know, somebody who will try the tough girl thing and it just like comes across as, you know, she's perfect. No for no, that's probably one of my favorite characters in anything, just Carrigan.

I looked up the voice actors who played Carrigan a Starcraft 2 and it's Trisha Helfer. Yeah. Who was that? I did not know that she was a 6th from Battle Star Galactica. Oh wow. She was in ODST as well. Mm-hmm. Dare? I think she was. Yeah. I had to look it up because I was thinking for a second it might be Gentaler. I knew that I knew the voice. I just didn't know how I knew the voice. Yeah. Gentaler does a lot of work. I don't.

Obviously Trisha Helfer didn't do the original Starcraft. I't know who whose character in voice then do you think it was no No, she also did some stuff in C&C right So you guys see how she did she did do you think that the actors will get like eventually in time enough sort of credit for doing things like this Because I think it's you know for a long time has been looked down upon when I want to actor would do like a wing commander back in the days That was like slumming it, you know, and it seems like that's something like that at all anymore yeah same changing I'm saying definitely so you think that they'll get the same sort of like street cred that they do from like a major Hollywood release soon no I think Jesse I think you're right they're disagree with you I think you're right I think it's still seen as slumming it you think so you think like

Jack Black doing brutal legend was slumming I don't think people have put any value in that at all I really don't and I think the developers don't put a lot of development value in it either. I agree with that. I mean, I see stuff where it's like, you know, if that were the case, we would have voice actor stars who are famous already, right? Right.

It's the movies and TV that make them famous. I guess it's true. I mean, we're not all jumping around that there's we met the voice of even after chief. They're trying to get their game to write on their other popularity, on the co-tails of, you know, their other project. Is that what we're saying? Yeah, well, I'm saying it's like

the video game is not what makes you famous. Gotcha. I mean, we're saying, do we think video games that real actors will get, you know, notoriety for being in video games? Like that statement in itself means the video games are not on the same level. Okay. What about Web actual point? Same thing, stomping it. Who do we, we've met the voice of, uh, we met the voice of Mario at a GameStop convention. That would be drop dead dude if you if you met Harrison Ford the guy who plays Indiana Jones you would talk about that for a month and it was a novelty to meet the guy who does the voice of Mario I forgot about that yeah yeah

you forgot about it right yeah what did you do Mario's voice and was the first one he did Mario 64 is the first time he talked isn isn't it? Is it? I think so. It's a me Mario. Okay. Now, was it in Pizamario? The first time we talked. Pizamario? Was there a tech demo for the 64 that was Pizamario? Yeah, I remember that. It was a completely more than a Pizamario. Yeah, it was from, yeah, it was like E3 2000, 1999. We were there for that. It's funny. You don't remember that because you told me about it. And I'm like, who the the hell watches video game promotional stuff like you guys were the watch e3 stuff and I go hell

Yeah, who does that who looks at trailers for video games internet visionaries that's High in years looking forward into the future Gus was like just 2001. I guess like I'm gonna get on my the Facebook account want to guess like I'm going to get on my the Facebook account. You hear about the dude who's got the $3,500 check that could have him owning half a Facebook or more. I thought it was more like 85% or 25% right? It's yeah, it's it's most of Facebook. Wow.

And he's got this check and he's like some dude in upstate York or something like that. Yep. Who paid Zuckerberg or what's the name? Mark Zucker, I think? Zucker. Is that one of the plots of the social network? I think the main part of the social network,

which is the movie coming out of Facebook, is that he stole the site from a popular club site at Harvard. Zuckerberg. OK. Is Zuckerberg? Yeah. Mark Zuckerberg.

I really felt oddly racist or something there. I was like, I was just missing burger on the other guy's name. Mark Zuckerberg owns 24% of the company. Who does? Mark Zuckerberg. He doesn't own that company? Well, he's the largest. He's the largest stakeholder of it.

He's probably leveraged so much venture capital to get it going. Yeah. I'm sure other people have slices of that line out too. I'm pretty sure. Yeah. I'm surprised he still owns 24% of that. But it seems a lot. How did this side go from just being so small to humongous in two years of an 80-year

gravity? The more people are on it, the more people want to get on it. To me, that was a longer one. To me, Twitter is the interesting one because it's all at once. It just gets like, it gets mentioned a couple places at the same time or within the same window. And that's just enough spark, you know what I mean? Like the turning point for that technology

is asking, asking Kutcher, which is unbelievable. The thing for Facebook, where I hit like critical mass was they open up their API, which nobody had really done at that point, and they let anybody develop apps for it. And people just went nuts for it. I got to say real quick, that 24% figures from 2007, December of 2007, so that probably has changed.

Could be old. Yeah. Is it, do you think it, it now owns less or owns more? I would say, I say owns more. There's a dude in the New York Pacific owns much less. Yeah. Well, what, I mean, how do you undo VC funding? If this guy owns 85%, is he own 85% of Mark Zuckerberg's percentage?

Or does he own 85% across the only 85% of Mark Zuckerberg's percentage? Or does he own the 85% across the board? My thought would be since he got in so early, he owns 85% and then any of the VC percentage comes out of the 15% that was left over to Mark Zuckerberg. So instead of owning 20% of the company, they own 20% of 15%. So is this the three percent? Is this something that's gonna go to court?

Is it court? Is it court? Yeah. Is that what you're gonna get in my DeLorean? I'm going to go back and give this guy a check for $200. Dude, I saw a DeLorean the other day downtown. Yeah. It was just part of the next to somebody's house.

Does it weigh like 12,000 pounds a day? Silver DeLorean. It was a pretty heavy movie. Yeah, but six of it's cocaine. You think I'm going to get that reference? Probably not. DeLorean went out of business because they were hiding cocaine in the production cars. Correct? Yes. Yes. What the hell did they get us? They let a car

off and somebody bought it filled with cocaine? I don't remember how. Jack you're a wicked pdf. He's a reliable source. Speaking of cocaine, Gus, you watch a lot of documentaries on Netflix. Have you ever watched cocaine cowboys? No, I never know. That is the greatest film ever made. It's a fantastic documentary. I've come in out with documentaries, I mean, it's so sensationalized. I've seen this thing like seven times. I went and they had a sequel to it. I looked it up and I'm glad I'm not the only one out there.

There's something about this. You kind of wanted to deal cocaine by the end of this. Yeah, no, it's not trying to be like, it's thrown out of it, but it's so sensational. You're right. So I'll do that. You're cocaine. It's basically just the story of. You're okay. Let's go find DeLorean.

It's basically just the story of how Miami became a drug mecca and how like until the drug scene in the 70s started, it literally was like it just, it really was for old retired people. There's no property value down there. Nobody went there. There's like this lady who's like the godmother. Oh, she's a maid. Oh, what a character. Like this woman who had everybody killed she was merciless.

I mean, she's better than that. Then Scarface. Yeah. Is that an Netflix streaming? Yeah, it's not Netflix streaming. I was just on a whim the other night It's very he's right. It's very sensational, too. Yeah, so it plays up to that. That's fun Well, it's all about these guys who getting over their heads and and they're so honest about what happened to them They're talking about oh like, you know, I just I was buying buildings. I didn't know what to do That was like I had $50 million in property and $50 million in my checking account Jesus and you know like and it's like 85 and he had it all from so crazy And it's really crazy about is that they say that Miami would not be where it is now is a city without that cocaine money

Yeah, that's a big part of it. It funded all the development is with the drugs. Yeah, so the skyline is like bought by cocaine So we can thank cocaine for bad boys too. Absolutely. Yes, I think that's proper. Thank you, cocaine. You were just in Miami, how recently? A year ago. About a year?

So I spent a lot of time. I'm from New York, so I'm like, grandparents, retired, to Miami. And that's a first. I know, right? They really were really pioneers. And so when I was going down there in like the mid 90s or the 80s, it was that way where everything was either built in the 50s, like Tiki bars, you know, you expect to see

Frank Sinatra, a lot of art deco shit on the marquee. And then it was built in the 80s, like C-Phone Green and Fomingo Pink or whatever that is. And so was it still like that at all? All those buildings are still there. But now there's like the third tier, which is like sleek modern stuff. This stuff they advertise in airline magazines. Exactly. Celebrated living in American way. Right. I love celebrity living. It's like the 10 blessed places to get a massage in Africa. Or celebrated living is the first class cab in magazine on American Airlines.

It's also like, would you like to buy an island and offer the Minicent Republic? If you're a several options. If you're in Chicago and want a $400 stake, we've got you covered. Yeah. That's a $600. The top five, $400 stake houses, you've never heard of. Yeah, and it's the top 10 plastic surgeons on America. It's all like the top 10 this, the top 10 of the world, then of North America. Of stuff you'll never use

Yeah, you know awesome 10 plastic surgeon top 10 golf courses on the top of mountains And those gadget sections that those magazines where you can buy like you know the Paperclip that heats up or whatever the fuck it does that's airball airball So in airball I Can't get scammed the matter how many times I read this thing is probably the same items every single time I think of it is like brand new inventions. It's every time I go through it. I'm amazed, I won't spend a damn dollar, but I'm always like, I want that.

I want that and I want that. That fucking sky mall is a cash machine for people. Yeah, they're making, those companies make so much money. It's like sharper image in the air. It is, it's exactly what it is. Brookes, I wanna hot dog toaster. That's all I gotta say.

They see that in every freaking magazine. They're innovative too. I saw that they recently have unveiled on in Skrimal They've unveiled a way where you can buy stuff from your mobile phone It's crazy I think like they they walk you through like linking PayPal to your phones that you can buy stuff like you did you text them The skew of what you want and then you've got awesome. Yeah, no, it's good. All right I'm coming to switch a little bit. I took jet blue to get here and I could not fucking believe that there was no Wi-Fi on board

I'm gonna switch a little bit. I took JetBlue to get here and I could not fucking believe that there was no Wi-Fi on board Could play JetBlue That is surprising. They probably don't want that because they probably want you to use the direct TV that's on JetBlue That's true. The direct TV's free now on JetBlue. It is Yeah, and the Wi-Fi is free in the airport and they have plugging stations everywhere It's really nice and then I got in the plane and I was offline. There's no free Wi-Fi in the Austin Airport and that's Yes, there is Free public Wi-Fi free public Wi-Fi which I Austin Airport. And that's far too far. Yes, there is. Is the free public Wi-Fi? Free public Wi-Fi, which I see everywhere.

Don't fucking use that. It's just fucking use that. It's the little computer I got and says, free public Wi-Fi. What is this? Just take your credit card and put it in the name for it. It's a fucking honey pot. What you do is, like me, you see I've got my laptop here, right?

Yeah. I'll take it. I'll connect it to the internet. And then I'll reshare that network connection I have. And I'll call it free public Wi-Fi So whoever connects to free public Wi-Fi is using the internet through my laptop So I'm capturing all the data everything you're doing on the internet is going through my laptop So I just write it all to my disk then I come two or three days later pick on my laptop

Take it home and just look like what did you log into what are you using? Name what are your passwords? In this area you know that you're not technically doing that. Yeah, wow. Yeah, I hope you are. You're as a person. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, I am not doing this. I'm just giving you an example.

Oh, or even, even better, you don't care about picking up the laptop. You just leave it there. It's a loss. And you just have it sending the data to a server somewhere else. And you just read it. But that's what I've been logging in at the office here, free public life. Chill, you have it. It's like, oh, Gus is honey pod. Gus, man. It's the fucking worst. So you have it? Now it's called Gus's honey pod.

Gus, it's the fucking worth. So let me ask you a question about that. So if I get on a web page, everything I send goes through many computers to get where I'm going. Everything I do. So if I get on a web page and I see that little lock, is there any idea that that is actually encrypted between me and the website and all the computers in between

don't know what the hell's going on? If you check, yes, with an asterisk. If you check the security certificate and the certificate signed by a valid signer that you trust, then yes. Okay. There's a big problem right now where there's a lot of companies

selling the security certificates that are pretty shady, and you don't know whether or not they're actually secure. So there's really only a couple of signers you should trust. Like, Verasign, Thought, Republic of Glyphine, not Republic ofers you should trust. Like Verasine thought, uh, republished life, I'm not republished, but Verasine thought I don't do anything

about the top of my head. Flashlight.com, but uh, it's, it's crazy. You should be safe though. Most banking sites have you checked. Click on the lock. It'll tell you like who signed the certificate, what it's valid for, what it's valid to and who you, you, you're really communicating. Okay. Okay. Here's an on- I'm picking up from that when you say yes with an asterisk Aschrist means no, no, that's what that means, right? It's actually no no It's actually no with an asterisk. I said it backwards. So what do you do for your Wi-Fi when you're traveling? Gus I avoid using it like the fucking Yeah, we do we have a funny we have a story about hotel internet where somebody was sharing their iTunes library

somebody famous and it was at a convention, and they were in the same hotel on the same network, and you can browse their iTunes library, which was filled with a bunch of rape porn. What? Yeah. And it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was,

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And I tell you, the hotel internet, the only time I've ever been scared about getting my stuff stolen, like logging into a site that I thought was, you know, the Wi-Fi for the hotel was wrong. Wow. I was in Seattle for packs. And I logged in and was like, hotel wireless. And I was like, all right, put in your name, your credit card number.

I did it. And I was like, that may have been bad. And then I plugged into the local network, that actually like hard wire plug in, and it was completely different. And I was like, oh, shit. Yeah, if I'm immediately called my bank, I was like, this, keep an eye on my account. If I'm doing it, I'm like,

and I'm going back to you, ass. If I'm going to use the internet and a hotel, I always make sure to look at the layer they have at. I can't walk later if you don't like to. You know, who's the company? And if it's not out there, I'll call a friend desk and be like, which network am I supposed make sure to look at the look later You know who's the company and if it's not out there I'll call a friend desk and be like which network am I supposed to connect to or you know is there a plug in my room? That we they can tell you which is theirs. Hello. Thank you for coming back America. Hi. It's yeah Subject hey, man, you watch my account. You got a bro. See it. Wait. No, but we got your back

We at the new office will have the ability to set up VPN connections So if you do connect anywhere in the world, you can tunnel back to our office internet and have a secure point-to-point connection from wherever you're connecting to the office, which is, of course, you have to trust me and trust our network at the office, then which is an interesting big leap. I trust you. I'll catch you, baby. I'm not even understanding it.

But okay, I believe it. It's a dangerous world. I had a conversation one time. I went time I went actually went to Vegas to I met up with the guy here in spark drew Was there and we were invading time and so I met up with him and I forget we were at a table and The dealer was shuffling and so I pulled out my cell phone and Drew would I even like picking his head up? He goes he goes don't't wanna use that. I go, oh, I can't use it at the table. He goes, he goes, Defcon is here this week. Which is the hacker convention. And one of the things they do at that convention is,

they just love to, in the city, try to pull out as much personal information they can from people's laptops in the city who are also tourists, and they post them up on the wall of shame. They had a Defcon this year. They had a, they had a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, you know, they'd pick a person and they showed a proof of consciousness like they pick someone and they like, okay, this is your girlfriend, blah blah blah, she lives here. I think that's how Batman caught the Joker in the dark night. Apparently, you know, when there was a controversy about Google

Street View cars also collecting Wi-Fi data. Right. Part of that data they were collecting was the MAC address of the computer of those open wireless networks. The only true unique identify. Right. So they found a way to get that data and then backwards map people's connections. They backtraced it? Yeah, they backtraced it.

Consequences were never the same. They called the cyber police. And they were able to find people. It's a very limited scope that they can do the same, but they can do it to an extent. I love that. I love that. It's actually that.

There's some guy going backtraced that. Enhance. Enhance. Enhance. There's a that there's some guy going back trace that enhance The video from the blackhead conference I guess a few years ago where someone in the room was actually a reporter and they figured it out and then they called out I think it was a woman they called out this woman in front of everyone in the middle of the convention Like they they had it was it was in one of the big like imagine like Gabe and Tyco in one of their their panels like in one of the 5,000 people panels and pointing someone out and basically saying everyone go after that person right there and

They they're person being of course walked away and shame. Yeah, I saw that. Wow. I was wrong by the way The uh how I met your girlfriend exploit or Demonstration was given a black hat not a deaf com. Okay, but very similar. Yeah You know, they have a hacking for dummies at Border's bookstore The first page was like entering your personal information Right to credit card on this page. It's actually nervous. I was gonna make a joke about how did they then a fire? They saw she was a girl, but I I now scared for my bank Wait a minute. That's not a killed

my bank account. It's like, wait a minute, that's not a guilt. Awesome. Did you see that the guy who did the, what is the social security blocker thing that would post his own social security number? Got his, his identity stolen like four times. 12 times. Yeah. 12 times. 12 times. I think he had to pay a fine to a regulatory organization because a false advertising. That's great because he's the victim of a crime, you know, to pay because he published his. He would put as a part of the promotion, he would publish his such a security number and say it's impossible for you to steal my security number. Here it is. And they've been stolen 12 times and he had lost money. But he would never talk about that. Wow. Yeah. Life lock.

Yeah. It'll be in the linked home. And one of the guys who stole it was Justin Bieber, right? There's not a story from last week. Justin Bieber did I all the service. Exactly. We didn't talk about that in the podcast, did we? Yeah, it's a week.

Do we? Said we didn't have a problem with Justin Bieber. I think it's a thing. It's essentially what it came down to. Stand up guy. Anyway, we should probably wrap this up before we go too much longer. We're going on our plate today. Okidoki. Anything else?

Oh, don't forget. Reverse Blue, Revelation DVD, September 14th, along with the recollection. Available in fine stores everywhere. We're also going to Pax. Next week, we can talk about that pre-order now. We'll be we'll cover it next podcast, but we'll be there. Our panel is Friday, which I think is September 2nd. Yeah, 1PM. We have a lot of stuff to show. A lot of stuff to show. The main theater is a separate building this year. It's not in the same theater as been in the last four or five years.

Is it really? Yeah, yeah. It's a five minute walk from the convention. So they move the main theater? Yeah. That's fucking lame. I mean, hey, really? It's a great block that we're in though. It's opening, you know, Paniercake, Q&A, and then us. It's a very proud to be a specter. So don't ever walk back to the convention center. Just hang out there. Just spend the first few hours of convention at the main theater. Yeah. And then come see us at the booth afterwards with 571. Yeah, a lot of people are going to do that actually. They're going to pull the comic on and think we're just going to stay there.

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