Rooster Teeth Podcast - RT Podcast #140

Episode Date: November 16, 2011

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And then he looked down like... Shit, did I piss myself? I did turn out the headlight fluid container somehow made it You are Oh the lights are getting better put some more fluid in there This moment I'm gonna be out of all the entries we received. Sorry to everyone else's entry. That's my favorite.

I want to say that wasn't me actually talking everyone said that was not my actual voice. That's cheating. That's not not allowed. Yeah, I think that's like the second entry to everyone. That was not my actual voice. That's cheating. That's not allowed. Yeah. I think that's like the second entry you had doing that for someone throws in me saying that it's the best entry ever. Well, that was a good entry. That was a good entry.

You can tell, it's a little older. We've since changed the name. We're now Rooster Teeth Podcast. Yes. Podcast number 140. So thanks for the other two in entry. I don't remember your username, but it'll be in the link down for right now. There you go. Check on the website. So this week we other two in entry. I don't remember your username, but it will be the link down for right now.

There you go. Check on the website. So this week we got Jack sitting here. Hello, and me Gus, like always, Slave and Away. Here Gus. And we have a couple of guests with us sitting down to talk. I always say we have a few guests. We have a couple of tipple means to. We have a trio. There you go.

Yes, sitting in with us this week from Sartana Fendi. Sartana Fendi here in Austin, Texas. We have Laurie Zawada, who's the lead environment artist, Craig Bernardo, who's a senior designer, Hello, and Jason Ubank, who's a programmer. How's it going? How's it going? I was doing. Oh, what game, Gus?

You forgot to mention the game. Halo, CE, anniversary of the game. There you go. Which just came out yesterday. Yes, it came out yesterday. Bernie and I were just at the midnight launch launch event in Houston with a couple of guys Not many not you guys, but we're with a couple of guys from certain affinity There for the midnight launch at Houston at the Microsoft store, which was a really cool event went really well

It's weird thing the game just came out yesterday because I feel like we've seen it for the past few months Like we saw it halo fest, so we got our you know hands with that, and Gus and I had a chance to check out the maps a little bit early and stuff. And so we went up to a certain affinity. Yeah, we actually went to Yoll's house, and actually played up there. Yeah. Yeah, so it's finally out though.

When congratulations are launched, it's very, very cool with the launch game. Thank you very much. So how many games have you guys launched as a company? Oh, we should have remembered some. Start out with the hard questions. Well, let us throw it back a little bit. Roll that, roll that, roll that.

How did you all get started? How long have you all been working with a certain affinity, Laurie? You want to start? Sure. Well, I actually started here January 3rd, but before that, I was in the industry for about nine years at Volition.

Sweet. Oh, January 3rd, I put it on the floor. So I got very excited by that date. In Volition, just shipped. Oh, great. A game as well this, just shipped. So, in turn three? The game is well this week. Yep, yep, I happen to be credited on two different things on the same day, so that's pretty sweet.

Oh, awesome. How did you get started working for working in video games? I played a lot of video games. Thought it would be a good idea to kind of start making them. Cool. I thought I could sort of wing it. And eventually, yeah, champagne had an opening, so I went for it. So did you start like QA and work your way up? Nope. Art the whole time, kind of self-taught. Oh, okay.

But the expensive programs early on taught myself, because back then there was really nothing that, or there were none of these really cool colleges out there that teach you about games. So you had to pick through the internet and find out what you good. Yeah, so how many people do you see coming from like those colleges like Full Sail and those game type colleges now? I mean, more and more, actually. Yeah.

Some of them are really good. Yeah, it's surprising. I was actually down to Full Sail with Bernie recently and got a chance to check it out. And that place is awesome. Like the tools and stuff they have down there are really, really cool. It sounds like an advertisement for Full Sail.

It's not everywhere. This is Fortune of the Podcast. It's actually by advertisement for full sales. Not everywhere. This, for sure, the podcast, actually by full sales university, Orlando Florida. Get your sale on. No, that's pretty cool though. So it's a self-taught and they kind of went from there. Like, that's the thing with our community.

We have a very, very large community of typically younger people who are always asking us, how do we get in the game industry? How do we get in the game industry? Not realizing that technically, I guess we're in the game industry, Gus, but we don't make games. And we can be like and we go how do you make games? I don't know We're off we would give off a device. Yeah exactly Go to the game making company ask go to the game making computer

Game button absolutely. Well, that's cool. That's cool. So how long have you been working? Second-fint of you Craig? I've been with certain affinity for a little over two and a half years. I actually came from bullish and also from Word or reworked. I'm actually a Guildhall graduate from 2005. That's in the DFW area, right? That's correct. Is that like affiliated with SMU or am I? SMU. Yeah, look at you with the knowledge. This portion of the podcast, press your button. You'll have a computer in front of me. He knows all this off his brain.

So you're a senior designer? Yes, sir. What does that entail? What does that mean? What do you do? Yes, what do you do? Basically, I'm kind of a map owner. I create maps originally.

Original layouts, everything from documentation phase to 2D layouts to actually modeling it out and whatever editor, whatever project we're working on and implementing all the gameplay and play testing it on a daily basis, you release it to the masses, it's seeing how it flows and seeing like where bottlenecks are, where there's problem areas and then trying to figure out how people are going to break it and things like that. Well, it's pretty cool with Xbox Live and you know, being constantly connected to the internet now. You can always kind of refine and tweak even after something comes out, right? I mean, we see zero-day patches now,

but I mean more and more you're seeing the stuff where it's like, you know, you can get in there and refine stuff. Like we've seen the playlist and Halo get altered and stuff and things be tweaked. Like the're seeing the stuff where it's like, you know, you can get in there and refine stuff. Like we've seen the playlists and Halo get altered and stuff and things be tweaked. Like the new, the anniversary playlists just came out right and they tweaked like the pistol and things. That's a neat tool that developers have now that they haven't really had before. At least not with console games. So I mean, I'm assuming you guys are taking advantage of that stuff, right? On the weapon side? Well, it's on any side. I mean, it's like just tweaking stuff after

the fact. Well, we basically didn't do anything with the weapons. We just did, we just created the maps and used the gameplay modes from reach. Everything that was available for reach. That's cool. Just try to make it real polished and have good flow. Mm-hmm. I've been having a lot of fun on those maps.

I don't know which is my favorite yet, but I'm gonna say whichever, whatever name beaver creep that's in the battle canyon. Battle Canyon. Battle Canyon. Battle can you that's a great map I've loved every every iteration of that map goal and been having a lot of fun on out anytime now it comes up for a vote in a multiplayer game like yeah yeah yeah yeah let's go jump on yeah and our third guest is Jason hi how's it going good how long have you been with certain affinity just over four years now cool and did you come from a technical back look from a technical, a certain coalition as well?

No, not from a coalition. I'm actually from Cheyenne Mountain just before this company. But that was in Arizona, where I went to school and I went to UAT. They have a game degree there. Started out in IT, found out that business IT people don't really have a sense of humor. I decided to go somewhere where my RTFM t-shirts would be appreciated. That kind of thing. So did you move to Austin to work for certain affinity? Yeah, I was living in Arizona up until

this job, so been in Austin just over four years too. Nice. That's cool. And you're a programmer, so what is it that you do? Well, with anniversary, I pretty much own the performance. So making sure that the maps are always running at 30 frames a second, no matter what kind of crazy gameplay is going on. You know, just balancing textures and physics and all the geometry all the crazy stuff. Have you programmed for PC stuff as well or just just like console stuff at this point? Well, I used to do PC stuff but since I've been at certain affinity it's been entirely console stuff. Now I have to ask you so as a programmer do you like the idea that 360 and like consoles? Me personally I love that everyone has the exact same machine sitting in front of them at home like that's like people

Well, there are differences some 360s have hard drives some don't so I'm sure that plays into caching Actually, yeah, the hard drive is a kind of a big thing And that's you know one of the bigger problems that we see when we're making these games But you know with the halo tech it's already it's established it works We don't really have to worry about that low level type of stuff. We just have to worry about optimizing our content. But it always drives me crazy. I'm playing a PC game, again, someone who has a $20,000 PC versus my bootcamp Mac. You're going to have an advantage over me every single time. That's what I love about console games.

That's really cool. The graphics hardware perspective, I totally agree with that. You see people who are Skyrims, the big PC game everyone is playing right now, you see all those different screenshots, ultra textures, high, medium, low, and you can see them all side by side, it's so jarring how different it looks. For a console, you kind of have that one sort of standard, or close enough to it now. I know Battlefield 3 recently had a thing where you actually download the texture pack or something.

That's kind of interesting that they're kind of leading that way now. I wonder if we're going to see more games like that coming out soon. Yeah, I think it's just, it's going to get that way because we're pushing these consoles to the limits and they are way behind where PCs are today. But at least you know when you buy a game that you put in a piece or a 360 it's going to work. Yeah, exactly. So thumbs up for that. That's always convenient.

Yeah, I love like between that and the fact that I don't have to buy a video card that costs as much as my console. It's like the big reason I'm I switch to console gaming. Then I have a tiny house. I don't have any space to put a computer anymore. You know, you've placed them putting a computer? No, really? You haven't been in my house.

I have a new one. I know like people over your house. I have a one bedroom house Like if I were to put a computer somewhere I'd have I don't know where I'd even put it I'd have to put like a my kitchen table like I don't have any space. Yeah, you have to put on top of a dog Little one or I could probably put it like in my entertainment center I use like a wire this keyboard and mouse and like run it through my TV or something bathroom bathrooms a perfect place, but it's where I use my laptop So that's what's our good taking we had we had an Xbox set up the old office in the bathroom

I at least for a little while we did it. We did people realize it was really gross We should be like a take your own controller kind of deal. Yeah. Yeah, that's probably a good point And I'm sorry we didn't ask Laurie, but we should ask, what do you do as lead environment artists? Well actually I was a map owner, art map owner on Hang-Em-Hi. Oh nice. I guess now it's called Hainoon. And another classic map.

Well thank you very much. I was kind of hoping you were going to say that instead of Battle Canyon. A little fight. Everyone has their preferences. And then at the end of that, I sort of took over kind of more task management, making sure all the maps sort of worked a little bit together, make sure everyone talked instead of headphones on and kind of making sure

their individual maps looked really good. Yeah. Now, the Hang-I-Hi maps, that's the one with that crazy electric tornado in it, right? That's right. I think it's beautiful. Thank you. So one of the things, I love how you guys kind of took

these old maps, was like, OK, what can we do to make these visually appealing? And then almost every single map has something about it now, where it the things like, I love how you guys kind of took these old maps, was like, okay, what can we do to make these visually appealing? And then like, almost every single map has something about it now, where it's just like, holy crap. Like, what is that, you know? Like, that whirlwind is so beautiful looking, but I feel like, unless you know where it is, maybe what we know linked to our walkthrough video, because you pointed out, unless you know where it is, or know to look for it,

I think lots of times you're so focused on the action, that you don't like stop to like look around and see how, exactly how beautiful would environment you're so focused on the action that you don't like stop to like look around and see how exactly how beautiful What environment you're killing people in Crazy because it takes up like a quarter of the entire map. Yeah, yeah I'm so busy looking down and shooting people. I don't even notice anymore Yeah, you assassinate people are staring at it You know even like like battle Canyon. We noticed this when we were doing the fly throughs Gus

Where if you pull out and like you fly a camera on there's a rainbow There's actually a rainbow like kind of hidden off in the distance I don't know if that's like an easter egg or anything but I was like oh look at that that's pretty yeah that goes right over the canyon doesn't it yeah yeah so stuff like that I love that you know I love the stuff like that you won't you know necessarily catch unless you're really looking for it so our sky box is telling a story of themselves yeah exactly well I mean that's the cool thing is now it seems like all the maps sort of fit into the world whereas like you know typically like you know your old school shooters like you like a doom or doom to some like that where it seems like all the maps fit into the world. Whereas, you know, typically, like, you know, your old school shooters, like a doom or doom too,

some like that, it's like kind of just like, oh, this is another random map. Or it's like, you know, the quake maps, or it's like, Alvin Miller, no, it's like, it's in space for no reason. But now, you know, I like that everything sort of flows. Like, okay, I can understand where this would be on the planet, or, you know, this would be on a station.

It's like- We took that stuff very seriously. Yeah. Like, we're taking references from other halo areas. Like, that, the whole tornado is actually like a portal. Okay. Which is like direct reference to a couple things though. I think in Halo 2 perhaps. 2 or I think even 3 right? Yeah. I mean there was deliberate choices why I would do that. Not just because it looked cool. Yeah. It looked like it was over the that big site outside of New Bombasa I think from Halo 2, where they opened up the portal. Yeah, that's a long look.

Look, there, it's a portal. So yeah, while it's a cool idea, we still want to make sure that it all kept within the fiction. Yeah, that's cool. So how much of the sort of Halo Lord did you guys get into? How much did you read into it? I mean, did you guys play all the previous games getting into this one? Did you replay Halo 1 over and over again?

Absolutely. We researched all these maps from top to bottom. So that's an awesome job when you can say that I had to play all the Halo games for research in order to do my job. I'm going to go to work. We also looked at Halo PDF and just read pretty much everything, absorbed everything we could about the maps. Our concept artist is really big into Halo as well.

So he's like, oh yeah, I remember this one thing. So here, let me sketch it out really quick for you. And that's great. That's cool. So how many, okay, just like a general idea, how many things like Easter eggs are hidden in each of the maps? I know there's a few, we found a couple already, but I mean, like, you don't have to say specific ones, but are they just like dense, fully loaded with stuff? Like are people gonna be like tearing their hair out for years trying to find this stuff. Maybe. Awesome. I'll take it maybe. I'll take it maybe over any day. So have you made a two, I haven't looked, I've been out of town.

Have you made a two 100 video showing any easter egg? We found a few there's so there's some like hidden master sheath dolls or like some dolls in each of the multiplayer maps that are really, really cool. So I don't know for them. I don't know if that video went out yesterday. If it was going out today, but we've got that one. The terminals and the skulls, obviously, are

hidden throughout the campaign. We've got videos, Joe and I are doing videos for those right now. And I don't know if you ever seen a video with Joe, yesterday, I was going out today, but we got that one. The terminals and the skulls obviously are hidden throughout the campaign. We've got videos, Joel and I are doing videos for those right now. And I don't know if you ever seen a video with Joel, but man, that guy's crazy. So it's fun to have him sitting in on the commentaries with me.

And then we've got some more stuff coming out today. We're doing a This is in Halo CE coming out today. And there's so many games out right now. It's kind of like we're sort of like, you know, overwhelmed with games, but we're absolutely putting out ton of content. So we're super excited. It's crazy season for games right now.

Yeah. And so, well, it's Halo week. It is Halo week. Absolutely. Well, yeah, Microsoft, the Xbox turned 10 yesterday, right? Yeah, the Xbox as well, because Halo was a lot channel for the original Xbox. So it's, it's crazy to think that it's been 10 years.

Like, I think back it seems been 10 years. Like I think back it seems like it was just, you know, maybe a couple years ago, but that was a fucking decade ago. What was the first time you played an Xbox? First time I played an Xbox was at E3 2001. I was at, it was before the Xbox came out. It was the first E3 I ever went to. Like I had been a huge bungee fan and I had, you know, I saw the Macworld announcement where they announced Halo and then, you know, Microsoft acquired them. So the whole reason I went to that E3 was to try to play Halo. And I went to the bungee booth at E3 and got a chance to play a multiplayer build in Blood Gulch.

Oh, how we played a capture the flag game. Well, that's right. They took photos, you guys, playing it, right? Yeah. If you look at the flag game well that's right they took photos you guys plan it right yeah i am if you look at the halo dot bunch dot org archive you can see there's a picture of me in bernie playing halo for the first time at that e3 booth it's sweet sweet irony yeah right in the is that i really coincident coincident that there you

and yeah that was the first time in the uh... like i had in fact i hadn't even pre ordered an xbox before they came out because I was kind of scraping by it and having to cash for it and Like all of a sudden like a couple days before it came out. I came into someone somehow somehow weak Like like the day that Xbox came out I went down to the game stop at Barton Creek Mall and I was like listen I know it's a long shot, but my chance. Do you have an Xbox and a copy of Halo I can buy and The woman was working that looked at me She was you are the luckiest person in the world. So I just got off the phone with someone who canceled their Xbox pre-order Oh, I have one right here. I can sell you if you buy it right now

So you buy an Xbox on launch day on like I walked into the game stop and bought an Xbox on launch day Wow, and I think at the time you had to buy a couple of games to like I had to buy Well, I wanted to buy Halo and then I had to buy I think I didn't remember what the other games are about were project Gotham maybe. Oh I think was there a Ditter live game? I bought both of those games I bought it on the release date too. I actually left lunch and drove for about an hour way out of I lived in Dallas and I drove way east to actually get one of these Xboxes and Halo and Project Gotham were the first games that I had. And over the weekend I mean I threw a couple of parties and basically those parties were

drinking beer, sitting around the TV, you know, watching single-player Halo and racing games. Now, much has changed since then. For 10 years, it's still been the same thing, drinking, playing the live. Some people would say I'm stuck in a rut, but I'd say I'm living a comfortable life. Yeah. This is an HDTV now, as opposed to your four three standards So so what about you Jack? What was your first time?

We know the first time I ever got it my chance to play an Xbox was actually my buddy Adam's house when I was going to UT right his dorm room out in West campus. I don't know if it's dorm. Whatever Anyway, he was playing he was actually playing Halo and I was like what what is this and like I mean I was a huge PC gamer back in the day I was you know, I I spent my my middle school years playing Doom, Doom 2, overnight, World of Warcraft, Warcraft 2 and 3. And I was like, wow, like a console. He handed me the giant Duke controller

and I was like, hold the crap, this thing is huge. And played it for a little bit. And I was like, wow, this is actually pretty fun. And then shortly thereafter, actually, I started working in an arcade in North Austin and really got into gaming and stuff like that. And made friends and then, uh, shortly thereafter, actually, I started working in an arcade north Austin and got really out into gaming and stuff like that and made friends with like the guys who worked with electronics boutique, which doesn't exist anymore. I don't think. You can stop botting. Yeah, okay. And, uh, yeah, I eventually bought one. So it

was like that and I'd, I think, playstation two, I'd side by side, and then really, really got into the Xbox. And so, and then when the 360 hit was like, yeah, that was, I also, I guess, you know, I was big into the Xbox, but like once the 360, I also really took over my life. So, yeah, I'm sort of a late bloomer. I suppose when it comes to the console, the Microsoft consoles, so. But how about you guys Jason?

Yeah, I'm pretty much on the same boat, Xbox One, I really like Halo, but I was terrible at it. That was the first FPS I played on a console side from Goldnive and But when the 360 came out and then Halo 3 I was like, yeah, this is it. This is you know This is the way FPS is meant to be played for me. Yeah, absolutely. Well the crazy thing to me is Like with the original Halo. I don't know why what you said maybe think about this But you know, there was no Xbox live

So you have to play all of your multiplayer games over system link and I don't know if you remember this But there used to be an application or there used to be a couple different applications You could run like you could plug your Xbox into a hub Then you could plug your computer into and it would tunnel your network traffic over the internet and find other people you play with It was like there was a games by application that would do it. There was another one called Xbox Connect. So we used to always take our consoles over to one person's house. And if we didn't have it to people to play,

we'd obviously hop online and try to find other people to play online. That's how much fun we had with the game. We were so desperate. We were running these weird third party applications, trying to find other people on the internet also playing games. Land console parties, right?

Yeah. Do land parties still exist? Does anybody still do that? I'm sure. Dude, that was some of the most fun ever. Is it like 30 guys crammed into a house and like, oh, this was watching the power, like dim. Like someone in the power,

and I could get lights when I'll get dark. And I was like, is that gonna be it? And then hoping the breakers don't pop. And then, you know, playing games all night. That was so much fun. I saw so many games doing that stuff. Like I remember seeing Quake for the first time, like at a LAN party and like, that was awesome. But the console, I mean, you think it'd be easier to have LAN console parties, right? I know I was never into that, but it sounds like something you were doing.

Yeah, totally. I mean, that was pretty much a Genesis for Red vs. Blue. Was that kind of deal? We were all sitting together in a room with our consoles playing together, and it was the conversations that we had sitting next to each other that kind of had, that spawned this whole idea. So yeah, we were big into it. Just think now, like you've got Halo CE anniversary, you can play co-op online. So none of that would ever happen. You would have been muted on your headsets, just playing and not talking to each other.

Yeah, I never think of my headset. So I would have been screwed. So I looked it up, the Xbox launch titles. I think the ones I bought were Halo, Dead or Alive 3, and I think I bought Oddworld Munch's Odyssey. Wow, Oddworld. I think I had to buy three. Man, Dead or Alive 3, is that the one that came? Wait, was Dead or Alive 4 the one that had Master Chief in it, I think? Yeah. Okay. So, or five. What is the Dead or Al bitter library. I don't know which one so many of those games then So when you know it wasn't master chief it was a Spartan. Oh, yes

It's Spartan because when you say that you had to buy those games Why do you mean that was it one of those package deals? It's forced down your throat Yeah, yeah, they were like oh if you buy the Xbox you have to buy three games with it Yeah, yeah, I think they were like if I recall there were three different levels have to buy three games with it. Yeah, brilliant. Yeah, I think they were like, if I recall, there were three different levels. You could buy three games, five games, or seven games, and three extra controllers. Or something weird like that. Huh.

Man, I bought the absolute, I bought the minimum three games, and then I bought three extra controllers. Now those are all due controllers too, or the S was out. I like the due, personally. I don't even ever had a problem with it. So Gus tried buying an S,

or a due controller at Halo Fest. Like, they had the ones that Ben Heck made. And so, you tried getting one, right? Yeah, well, God, I mean, they gave, I think, two away at Halo Fest. And one of the guys who got one was just approached by some other random attendants that, hey, I'll give you 200 bucks for that controller.

So, the guy sold the controller for 200 bucks to this other guy. And I said, I'll give you $201 for it. He said, no. And I said, $202, he's this other guy and I said I'll give you $201 for it He said no, and I said 202. He's no. Oh, and then I said 500 He goes nope not gonna sell it really he would not sell that controller 500 bucks, and I think I I don't double check. I think I read that they there might be one of those auctioned off at the trial's play charity dinner I was at next month in Seattle. That's December 8th. December 8th. Hey, hey, look at that. Samaritan. You know stuff too. I do. I know some stuff not much, but we get the right. If you like cue me on the right stuff, it'll sound like I'm impressive. But yeah, those controls were awesome.

Like Ben Heck retrofitted them so that they were wireless and they had like two AA batteries in it. And like he also had to make like the sync button so that it would sync with the with the console. That's pretty rad. For the with the console That's a pretty rad for the for the true halo experience Now what do you guys call yourselves like like first person shooters now like like are what's the games you guys into? I mean, I obviously been playing a lot of halo lately is that but is that what you're mainly into or is that? I've been switching between all of my bottom battlefield, modern warfare, I even played some anniversary last night, obviously.

But they're all really good games, so I find it hard to spend much time on anyone. Yeah, especially right now, we had so many, even just yesterday, we had like five AAA titles hit all on the same day. It's pretty cool. It's a neat time we live in that. Whatever type of game you're into, if you're racing games, if you like open-world games, if you like shooters, like one day we had major titles and all of them come out, you know. And so, it's very, very exciting. Yeah, holidays.

Yeah, holidays. Well, finally, I mean, right now, like a Chima Hunter, like we focus on whatever the new titles are. And so, like, this is sort of our super, super busy time. But after Thanksgiving, like when everyone's buying games, that's when we can finally sit back and relax a little bit. Can I jump on all the... I'll be keeping to you, miss. I know. Well, it's tough, even now, like I was playing... I played Assassin's Creed Revelations last time. I played it to like, 1 a.m. just trying to beat it, so I can move on to the next game. And it's like, we've got two guys working on Halo CE, we've got a guy on Saints Row, we've got... I was working Assassin's Creed, we're doing maps, and it's just all over the place, so much stuff going on right now.

So... Trying to crouch it. Oh my god, man. So, and I'm'm like I'm trying to get to the point where I can get to Halo C anniversary and actually just play it. Like I'm really really excited for it. And so boohoo with a hard job. Yeah. I was up to what I am playing. We played the game. My life sucks. You have you played in the campaign yet? Guess what? I've had let's see. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. You know one thing I noticed I saw Joel playing it upstairs and one thing I noticed is right very very beginning when when chief is still in the cryo tube or whatever the little the look around button the the thumbs yes I noticed that too is the old

school thumbstick it's like the one from the original controllers not the the 360 one so whoever over idea that was props to you guys yeah I kept flipping between classic view and the new normal or the new view to see if that icon would change. Yeah, I definitely noticed it was that rounded one. That's pretty cool though. That's super Xbox nerd stuff right? Yeah, that would spot that.

So I think so far in the multiplayer, my favorite hoppers are the classic ones. Yeah. Like I like the ones with no equipment and like the maps are very locked down very much more true to their original self. Like I know for Battle Canyon or Beaver Creek, there's a couple of different options. Like you can get it in classic mode

where there's no dugout area behind the bases or the, I don't know what to call it, not classic mode, where you can walk into the canyon and there's like that overhang in the teleporter. And everything, yeah. Well, it's funny. I mean, jumping into those old maps, it's just like, it's like going to grandma's house.

Like, you remember most of the roads, but you don't know all of them. And it's like, oh, yeah, that's right. I forgot about that. And like, stuff started clinging your head again. And it was, I mean, it was absolutely like that when Gus and I were playing. Like, I didn't play those maps in years.

And then jumping in, I was like, oh, yeah, I know exactly where everything is. So, yeah, there's the rockets, there's the sniper. And I'm'm dead. Yeah, we I'm one of the games I jumped into last night someone We were in gotta keep talking about balcony. I'm sorry. I can't vote in front so I played it a lot last night Sorry, no offense to my favorites. We're just gonna hit you right now But like we jumped into the game and someone's like oh, where's the rocket launch? I don't even know where it is and everyone on my team is like What the fuck is wrong with you? Like it's been in the same place for 10 years Has it left? It's like it's the one thing you should know where it is and everyone on my team was like, what the fuck is wrong with you? Like it's been in the same place for 10 years. It hasn't left. It's like it's the one thing you should know where it is. Yeah.

The rocket sniper in a blade, you know, all those are. You know, the energy sword. Oh man. No energy sword in Halo 1. Not in Halo 1? No. No. Let's say it's all under the overhang or under the bridge, right? If you're not playing, I've been playing a lot of classics. All right, all right. No sword. Your old school. Yeah, yeah okay so that's what I remember best

do you guys have a favorite map outside of yours the ones you worked on are outside of battle canning for you or for multiplayer I'm gonna have to say pennants probably damnation yeah and I also was owner for installation for the firefight map and oh I really liked building that map, just setting up all the AI and just bringing that map to life. It's a whole single player space. So for the first time in that map, it's a firefight map. You could have AI Marines help you out playing firefight.

Yeah, they're actually ODST. Oh, are they ODST's? Yeah, yeah. Oh, that's something we wanted to add. We wanted to try to keep it as close to the original. Well, I mean, to having AI up on the deck, having support. But we also switched out. We didn't use the phantom dropships.

We used the tuning forks. And every once in a while, you'll see a banshee popping. So you got to look at the sky. You got to look up at the skies every once in a while. You get a little wreck. Now that was one of my favorite things. When Gus and I were playing the firefight, when we visited, I jumped in a warhog

and I had an ODST jump on the gunner. And it was great, so Gus kept, you know, he was on his chain gun up the base and I was just driving around shooting stuff. And I think my gunner actually took down a banshee. So I was like, oh, that's sweet. You know, it's like, I don't have to do any work. I'm terrible at shooting, but when it comes to driving,

I'm actually pretty good at driving. You drove off the cliff. Okay. You drove straight off the cliff. You cannot sit here and say you're actually pretty good at driving you drove off the cliff Okay, you drove straight off the cliff. I can you can you can sit here and say you're good I deflected off the cliff. I didn't drive straight off the cliff. I was an aiming for I hit a rock no officer only had one beer No, I don't need anymore Okay, at the end of every set we will drop off a new warthog now Okay, like it flies in it drops it off and I believe there's ODST guy man on the turret. Yeah. Yeah

I've got the clip absolutely there's plenty of war hogs at a stroke There's also an Easter egg in that map. Oh, yeah, yeah, can you give us a hint at it? I would say we blocked off the one thing that we did different with this map is we blocked off the sub-level to it Okay, there's those two little satellite little struck. Yeah Yeah, yeah, I'd say just kind of go in those everyone's people. Peek around see if there's anything in there. All right. Cool. World exclusive. I know we'll be on it today. So how often you guys check like YouTube and like you know the the game facts and stuff like that. The see if stuff has been spotted like are you guys actively doing that now being like Oh, is anyone found it yet? Is anyone found it?, pretty much. People at the studio sent out emails all day.

Oh, really? And a lot of that's coverage for, you know, all of our maps. Now, do you guys troll forums, like teasing people, like misleading information or anything like that? I'm not that I know. No, I'm like, no, come on, that's fun. Oh, absolutely. Someone might, but they won't push up to it probably.

I've been leaking red versus blue plot points for years. Quote unquote, plot points, not really. Our marketing guy might be doing that, but I don't think anybody is possibly going out of the way to do that. Well, I mean, that's gonna be crazy. I mean, like, you put so much stuff into it. It's kind of cool to actually see the community finally take it on and be like, okay, what are they gonna do with it?

You know, and I can only imagine what it was like to sit there and be like, okay, what, like, all right, isn't we found this yet? It's like, what's going on? Like, just hiding a little stuff. I mean, I know, I know we've thrown Easter eggs in red versus blue this season. And it's kind of fun to see if anyone picks them out and it's kind of like numbers or things like that.

Like, small stuff is important to us that if you know what it is, like, oh yeah, that's obviously what that is. Yeah. I think we have one obvious Easter egg and that's Timberlin, our Timberlin remake. Okay. That was on the PC.

That was a root. That was really designed. That was a root PC. That was a really designed box. Yeah, when they ported it to the PC, they actually got to design their own map. Certain affinity and 343. We thought this map had great vehicle flow and it would work really good for the objective gameplay modes. Like capture the flag territories and king of the hill.

So we both just totally agreed on that one, brought it back and made it look beautiful. Yeah, that's some iterations to it Yeah, it feels like it's a little bit I'm cracking from wrong. It feels like it might be a tiny bit smaller You're right. Yeah, I got to remember it being almost too big before it's like you walk from what's I did? Like, uh-huh, what the hell was I doing? Yeah, I feel like you you compressed the action down a bit more I'm definitely like every map probably goes through two or three months of just pure daily gameplay tested before it even could send it up to an artist. I mean that's how serious

it is so that you know everything's really figured out they shrink down the maps you know just get just right and then gets passed out so it's not like okay it's good enough here. You know a lot of for Halo one and even Halo two the character was a little bit the player they would jump a little bit higher a little bit more like a low gravity. So, you know, whenever we basically got the source files for all these maps, we imported them into the reach engine. And we had to make some small adjustments.

We had the massage of the maps to make sure you can jump up on certain boulders or whatnot. For battle canyon to be able to get on top of the roofs. We had to make some slight massages. Yeah, you also have to keep in mind now, like the equipment, I mean, like there weren't jet packs in Halo 1, you also have to keep in mind now, like the equipment. I mean, like there weren't jet packs in Halo 1, you know. And now it's like, okay.

Yeah, I mean, I'm assuming now, like people are going to be trying to break your maps. Like, how much do you, you know, actively pursue those guys? I'm like, okay, they broke our map this way. We're going to fix it in the next patch or anything. Or is it? For the, about the last three months, we had a couple of different testing teams just trying

to break the map. So we really, we really tighten the screws. testing teams just trying to break them apps. No. So we really tighten the screws and it's great down on that. Because there's nothing more disappointing than like when that, you know, that asshole finds a way to break the map and really everyone's fun. Yeah, that was a problem with all maps, basically just looking out into the sky box. So we just had the, we had these returned to battlefield volumes that we put everywhere. And it's a countdown if you're in them for more than 10 seconds you die.

Like the Guardians murder you or whatever. I remember like we wouldn't, I used to be the Commissioner of Griffball way back in the day. And I remember when people would make Griffball maps before they'd figured out the phasing in Forge. Where literally it's like stuff stacked, you know, how it was supposed to be stacked. And like watching people break those maps and I was like god damn it. Now I go okay, give them a map guy and like okay they made it through that little gap right there. What can we put in that gap right there and keep them in and but now I mean it's everything so advanced and the tools now you've given to the community are so awesome that it's

like you can make pretty much anything you want in that game. I mean, I mean horse. I mean like we do different stuff and horse every single week and that's all based on you know the tools we've been given and well the community's been giving because we're not nearly talented enough to make those matters. But it's very, very cool. It's an awesome game though. Super.

I love it, man. Yeah, definitely. Well, it's one of my, probably one of my top games ever. One of my top favorite games ever. It's going to be the most important game of your life. Yeah, it is definitely the most important game of my life. You're sitting in a building that was partially funded by... It's crazy to think that, you know, from the journey that a person takes,

like thinking about the first time that I played the Xbox, that E3, you know, 10 and a half years ago to now, like approaching it as a fan, you know, paying my way out to LA to try to play this game before it came out. To where now, like, I'm so lucky I got to go to, you know, Y'all's office, up at certain affinity, I got to play the maps before they came out. To where now, like I'm so lucky, I got to go to, you know, Y'all's office, up at certain affinity, I got to play the maps before they came out and got to do all this stuff.

I mean, Hellier in Halo 3. And that's surreal, dude. You went from watching Halo 1 to being in Halo 3. That's right, baby. I'm an Easter egg. I think a lot of us were talking about that too. And the studio is like, where were we 10 years ago? Yeah.

Because then we do have some people who were on the original halo that at certain affidavities that go yeah, you know now now look at us or other people who were fans 10 years ago and now they're working on it. Yeah, I mean it's 10 years we all just sort of sit back with the beer and be like we're exactly this where were we 10 years ago? Yeah, sometimes I feel a little old. We have some interns here who are like, oh I remember when this game came out. I was 12. Shut up. Man, so okay, so what's next for you? You're getting halo out the door now. I know, yeah, I mean, what do you have coming up? Is there anything you can talk about right now? Or is it all under wraps? All secretive?

Pretty much under wraps. Yeah. So there is something, but we don't know about it. I'm not working something that's going to be pretty exciting. All right. I can't talk about it. Sorry So that's that's cool I want to ask one point out you guys made you guys make crimson alliance too, which we talked about a little while back We had a great time playing that game. That was a lot of fun. Jason you worked on it, right? Yeah, mostly Tools, but I did a little bit of audio work and some of the scripting stuff cool. I was gonna need that like I mean You guys announced at a RTX our event we had in Austin

And it was kind of cool to see that game go from announcement to release and be a part of that And it was very very fun and you know we got to go to the launch party and have a few beers to that was good Yeah, that was actually a really good launch party One of the better ones since I've been at the company. I think I was out of town at the time So I missed it. Oh, it's out of town for my anniversary Yeah, you were out of town and then like the majority of the team is actually working on season 9 So it's like we had sort of the scrub team show up to the party. It was like me and a couple other guys So the free beer team. Yeah, the free beer team

Let's destroy the tab team so so y'all I mean not maybe you all specifically but certain to Fendi has had a busy Time like now that you mentioned Crimson Alliance like you've had a quite a few games You've been working on here recently this year year we released, are only part of the year released DLC one for Black Ops the first first strike map pack. We also released the Fiat map pack for Reach DLC two and then Crimson Alliance and now anniversary so that's four projects we all shown up. So no, no, no. There's a lot of parties. How many of you guys have in your studio?

Worked about 60 now? Yeah, it's almost 70 actually, I think. Actually, to me, that seems kind of low. I worked at a company once, whereas we put out one or two games a year, and we had almost 200 of us there. So it's to be worked there. Yeah, and you have a good point. But that company is still around. But yeah, I mean, it's you worked there. Yeah, you have a good point. But a company still around. But yeah, I mean, it's amazing like the the amount of work that

like smaller groups can do. I mean, that's that's cool. And we aren't getting a lot bigger though. I mean, when the company started five years ago, it was started by, you know, five people. And now we're almost up to 70. So we're going pretty fast. And we've got a bunch of, you know, a bunch of jobs posted on the site will probably be even up to 80 by next year really. Wow. So if you're listening to the podcast, you can get a job at certain affinity. That's right.

I moved Austin, Texas, which is the best city on the planet. And if you're listening to enhanced podcasts, you can click on it right now for the link in the link dump. Oh, listen to that. Do you find yourself, do you all ever find yourself working on many projects or multiple projects at a time, or do you all typically focus on one at a time and get it done before we get on to the next one? Before design, we pretty much were working on one project. We were just cranking away on it, make sure it's high quality and fun. Put a lot of effort to our multiplayer maps, make sure they have good flow and just set up correctly.

All gameplay modes are fun, we know with all our mind packs and stuff. So yeah, I haven't been here for that long yet, but it is tricky when you're kind of winding down one project and then spinning up the other one. So there's sort of your brain starts splitting it to two because you want to think about the next one, give it some attention and then you still have to make sure you close out the first one. Do you have a long, do you typically have long periods of overlap where like as ones slowly declining and other ones ramping up? It really depends, but you don't have, like, the full team. So it's, like, over a while, like, some people, like, move off, and then there's this little skeleton team that is left behind, sort of, button up everything. Now, for the most part, design finishes out pretty

quick. Art has to finish out the content. We have a few designers that will stick around on the project, just to make sure that everything works, everything's functions, and that's how we transition. Nice. What about from the programming side? Well, it was a little different. I mean, I did get pulled off a Crimson Alliance to work on anniversary, but I stayed on that until the absolute last day. And that's just because, you know, with program or with tech technical issues on that, anything can happen. It can come back from cert failing some weird bug or, you know, who knows what, so always need a programmer there to put out the fire. And cert is where you guys send the game to Microsoft to sort of like final approvals. Certification. Yeah. Yeah. So there's a whole process

there. That's one thing that you see I like that about console games Supposed the PC games as you know like PC games. There's no sort of there's no like gateway there There's like no this is this thing is not ready to come out yet Where's you know Microsoft it's like they license these games out right so it's like if it comes out for our console It's gone through at least some sort of process. So what's some yes quality control. Yeah, it's good I guess you could argue on the PC side of things, maybe the publisher does that, but they're instead to get it out the door and make money as well. Exactly.

They're not quite as thorough. As someone who worked at a PC publisher, I can attest to that, absolutely. But anyway, that's a whole other story for a different podcast. Oh, man. So, well, crazy. I mean, this is really cool. So, I mean, how excited were you guys to actually learn that you were gonna be working on HaloC University? Like, when did you find out

that you guys are gonna be doing this? I think it was about the first, no, it was last year, mid-time, mid-part of last year, like summer, perhaps. Oh man. So, you know, we were basically finishing up the defiant map pack. And we were, you know, we were working

with reach tools, spongy tools, 343 Tools, and we felt pretty comfortable with them, so when we went in the anniversary, we were able to crank out some really good and fun, high quality content. Yeah, I mean, you guys thought of it, so you had it, I mean, you were working on it about well over a year before it was announced. Like, that's crazy, man. Like, how difficult is that to keep away from people you know, you don't work with that you can't talk to them. I mean, like being under an NDA like that. That's tough to say.

Like anyone was just announced this past E3, I guess. Yeah, I was announced E3 this year. That's crazy. I know Bernie and I were there at the Microsoft press event. So yeah, I guess it went from announced to being released in less than six months. Yeah. Heck, I remember when I was interviewed in January, they didn't even tell me what I was going to be working on.

Like, well, we're working on the streams and lions and something else really cool. You like really cool things? Sure, okay. Maybe you get a job with us. Yeah, keeping the secret is pretty much the nature of the beast in this industry. Yeah. We haven't really heard of any lakes during the process. Everything seemed to work out nicely.

Kind of between studios too, there's unwritten rules are where, because lots of friends are in other studios, you just don't pry. You know better, because they have to be quiet and then you don't want to get them in trouble and you don't want to get in trouble. You just smile and nod and drink beer. Absolutely. Don't talk about anything. Just don't drink too much beer, because then stuff starts spilling, you know. Well, yeah, being in Austin too, there's a lot of game dev studios here. So you got to really watch what you say when you go out to lunch.

Everything's in code words. Oh yeah. Yeah. No, I mean, it's cool though. I mean, it's like, I mean, the Austin community, especially, like it is at this growing community games, what you do see people shift around. Like, you know, you had the old like, like, iguana entertainment. That was one of the first games. Oh, God, yeah shift around. Like, you know, you had the old like, iguana entertainment. That was one of the first games.

Oh God, yeah. They did like, you know, the Bajam. The Bajam. And then you had origin, which, you have sort of those two camps. And like, it's almost like an NFL when you have the coaches that have like the coaches underneath them, whereas like you can see,

they can literally trace back where they came from. This all like that. And I always go to football coaches. I don't know why I do that podcast. But, but it's kind of cool. I mean, anyone you talk to typically can find a link back to one of those two companies. And if they're from the Austin area,

and so Richard Garry at here in Austin, and he was a huge influence on the whole community. And then, I mean, does Microsoft have a studio? Aside from you guys, did they have one before? I know they had Digital Landville for a while. I don't know if there's been another one. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, actually in gun stringer. So are you guys or? We did a commentary. Some commentary tracks for gun stringer. Yeah, I can't think of any other Microsoft studios in town. Well, I don't think I had like a call center or something

like that. I mean, I have offices, yeah. But as far as games, I don't know. But yeah, I mean, it's amazing how big the gaming industry is getting, at least in the Austin area. I mean, even like EA's opening up a brand new studio here than it would be at the same age. Oh, yeah, for the EA Sports.

EA Sports is opening up. Right. And then I mean, damn, there's so many. I've never heard recently. I was at Tib Ron when they announced that they were opening the office. And I was like, you guys need to move to Austin. I went after a fly out here to see you guys anymore.

Yeah. I don't think they're moving. No, you know, they're so. It's probably all of you guys here. There's close to Disney World, right? There are no Orlando, I think. Go visit Universal Studios. Anytime they want. I guess so. Lucky them. All right, well, I don't want it's probably all you guys here. There's close to Disney World, right? There are no Orlando, I think. Go visit Universal Studios, anytime they want. I guess so.

Lucky them. All right, well, I don't want to keep our guests here too long. Absolutely, they're looking like they've got to get back and start working some more. I'm sure the next secret, big project is, though. You're working on something to break. Secret sport. But you wouldn't share it with us.

That's just like, you can invite us back later. There we go. All right, so tons of Easter eggs hidden throughout the maps. Maybe that we're going to, so if communities out there and find anything cool, make sure to let us know, we'll make videos for it, and then you guys will watch the videos, and be like, yep, that was one of them. We need confirmation from you know, if we find something cool. There we go.

Alright, cool. Well thanks so much for coming out guys, we're going to have a second segment. So stick around, listen to this, and we'll be right back. On sale now at Ruchie.com slash store, Red vs. Blue, season 9 DVD and RT shorts volume three. Buy a mitch for a 1995 or buy a combo for a 34.95. Use promo code RTPodcast01 for 9% off your order for nine seasons. Offer good through Sunday, November 20th, 2011.

Again, that's Red vs. Blue, season 9 DVD, 1995. RT shorts volume three DVD, 1995, or buy the bundle for 34.95 95 get 9% off with promo code RT podcast 01 hey everyone welcome back to the podcast for the first time ever we did two segments we are on segment two wait a second my work over here Brandon yeah it was we just started it's weird not having the intro I'm not it I can't do it man I need to get I need to get in a move we've had other segments before have we yeah just recently. Oh, I forgot about that. Yeah, I never mind. I'm checking your work Guess what I'm checking it. I did this time though. You haven't heard it. I made a commercial

Get the fuck in there's a commercial between segments for what red versus blue season 9 DVD now in stores I'm your R T shorts volume 3 DVD by bundle 3495. That'll pay the junk tank bills Use promo code RT podcast zero one for 9% off. Hey, I thought you just phoning it in like at this point It's just all autopilot. What do you mean? You don't even know what the podcast is like anymore. You barely listen to it Are you talking about I listen to the podcast so much? No, I'm just saying though, but it's just like it's like one of those things that takes place in the back your mind like you all Did I say what do you mean that's what I'm saying you shuddy doesn't listen to the podcast No, you correct it. You corrected him. You're like, oh, we done a segment. Just was like I don't remember that

It's a lot of content this fucker. How much content is this episode 140? I'm not saying I'm not saying it's your fault I'm saying it's a natural thing where it's like you've done so many your your brain has become numb It's hard to listen to these guys in real life But they have to like relive every fucking conversation and listen to it over again. That's gonna be it. I would like to welcome Jack Patilla. Okay, so you have to do you do Bernie Burns, how Joel? Hey man, how are you? I'm out Jack Patilla.

I'm going to tell what Joel is on the podcast because it's multiple people talking. No, no, it's not. It's two. It's someone trying to talk and Joel. I don't understand. I don't understand. Joel and Joel did possibly the funniest commentary for Achima Hunter ever. It'll be up later today is the collectible, the skulls and terminals for levels seven and eight in Halo CE anniversary. We actually put, we actually put an Easter egg in the video.

Joel's a funny fucking dude. No, I'm not, but thank you. But we did put an Easter egg in the video that you's a funny fucking dude. No, I'm not, but thank you. But we did put an Easter egg in the video that you can unlock that you probably unlocked just Sure we did Why do you got a undermine a cutscene? There's a great cutscene. It's hidden. Don't bang the fucking table I have to make my point from the perspective that by jabbing your finger into the list Joel actually does have to bang the table when he's talking.

That way someone else is making noise while Joel's talking. I'm trying to compliment Jack, everyone's interrupting. You guys are really pushing it, really kicking ass. Yeah, man, we're putting out a great... We put out nine videos yesterday. We put out 11 videos on Monday. So we've got a lot of content. We put up a video last month.

Yeah. That you shot four months ago, right? No, no, no, we you know, we wanted to wait a little bit before the DVD comes out and You know give somebody who gets the DVD some content that hasn't been released yet Yeah, I'm reverence. Blue just finished there 20th video of the year So how much that you don't do anything you probably don't even watch red versus blue anymore I don't even know what it is. We've had the most shorts in this last TV that we've ever had we actually Was it um 30 and we love 30 videos. There was some that were left off. I mean we had more right we had a couple We could not include so many more people care about trade marks

Totally have a product for Frenchman Because that's like the one of the things I do is you know when we have trademark infringement on a copy of the sections. So one of the things you do is to produce videos that then get pulled. Is that what I'm hearing? I know. I pull. Don't interrupt the creative process.

You know you're criticizing guns. I was the criticizing him. I was trying to understand Every shout out to you Yo, I'm a chef. Do you want to go? No, you guys are getting a headache. Do you want to rise over? Do you just prefer to win our headphones weren't working? Do you want to? So Gus can you just listen to all this?

Stop mother fuckers. You're all fucking troll over each other. We've figured out if they listen to the podcast on separate channels, then they have to request a question request granted. Gus could you explain the problem with our headphones? headphones. Okay. He's so excited to talk about technical issues and he just works himself. He literally do a lot of things. You know how good it is. He does. He does.

He does. He does. He does. He does. He does. He does. perceptual. The irrational. Makes worse, we have to relive that, our mind. You know how, I'm making my sad face, the Bernie's picture. You know how during the last segment, people said their headphones didn't work at the

very end. I was like, well that's weird, so I sat down to try to figure it out. Someone had plugged the quarter inch, or the mini stereo jack into the quarter inch port with no adapter. So it was just this tiny little plug-in-in. It wasn't really plugging the rest in your room. Yeah, I was resting. Who the hell set that up? I think it was Carrie. Oh, I can't make fun of you. He said everything else up right. It was the one thing. He kind of got

wrong. So right now which criticizing you. You're just a load. He was criticizing you for not listening to the podcast and doing a board job of that. I never said for. for. Brandon says now that he's in charge of trademark and that's what he does. Why are you living in the past? In the history, while we're talking about the past, in the history of our company, how many videos have we had pulled

because of trademark infringement? In the history of our company. Zero? Zero, until this year when somebody was in charge of trademark, the copyright stuff, and we were the first video pulled ever because of it. Well, here's a sentence. Here's a sentence. Well, here's a lot. Here's a sentence. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah. God, God was the one who showed me how to do it. Oh, God. So the real question is, have we had pulled that we created a 20 thing? The real question is how many videos? One. Yeah, one that you're aware of because it was during your tenure as safeguarding our trademark infringement policy.

No, you guys had a video pulled, right? This is saying we had one video Yeah, I'm saying before you so we had the DMB sketch pulled. Yes, that's where the DMB sketch went for the shorts That's why it's not in the art to be short DVD either because the state of Texas go great, you know They have a lot of lawyers on staff. Well go figure I watch internet videos apparently. That's only due during the day Yeah, we think it was because and I'm not trying to blame anyone here because it was an awesome idea But we put in a request for a rooster teeth license plate that is correct and I suppose they looked at our website And it's price on it. So we learned an important lesson. That was a bad bad timing. Don't mess with Texas

They also rejected our license plate design too But because of that video proved one for the with the Confederate flag They don't know they voted unanimously against it. Oh, they did vote against it after all the piarking because initially it was half and half. We'll see what the split decision. And then Rick Perry got involved and rational people got involved and then it was unanimously against it.

So Rick Perry and rational people or I have to go in the between the three people. Rational people people irrational people and Federates and people who political humor on the Rupert podcast oops SNL making fun of Rick Perry they're not making anything up. They literally just We're gonna talk about Rick Perry then I'm gonna talk about the 10-year I'm just telling you it was just it was a popular internet video, so we were just making reference to it. There be bunnies there. All right All right, what are we talking about? Well, we're talking about double gold. Let's talk while we're on the subject of money and while Jack is in the room Jack is there something that you would like to tell me? Yes, you some of it. I God, I'm so happy. I'm saying you're a cheater. There's your god damn money. Cheater. So, you've got it. This bad cat was announced on the

podcast. Okay, so I made a bet with Mr. Bernie Burns that Joel Heyman would not go to Australia. I was convinced that Joel, I get my share. You get your cut of this. Take 20. Take 20. No, no, I'm like a 40 fucker. You couldn't even get a C-note. 520. So, I'm aware I found a new

wrist band. I was gonna say, I just want to say Bernie totally cheated in this one. Because he did a Joel $20? No, because he gave Joel fucking first class to and from Australia. He did not give me first class. Yes, he did. I absolutely did not. He did not give me first class.

Absolutely did. He did not give me first class. You were talking about your sleep pod, like you were Darth Vader? Come on now. Business class. If you were sleeping, if you were in a wheelchair, he would not have gone to Australia if you were in coach flying for 40 hours to him from.

I paid a good chunk of that of my own money. How much, but not all of it. Not all of it. Okay. And also, I said, my plan was, I said, I said, there's no way I can sit on a plane for 24 hours. Which is why I was, there's been no way I could do on a plane for 24 which is why I was there's been no way I can do that you know and so I'm just going to draw a line in the sand is going to be

like okay the only way I'm going to go is if I'm business class and my bluff was called and someone paid for it so whether you know that 80 bucks that burning this guy you know he still had to pay however much on top of that so yeah it doesn't cost't offset the cost of gold, pre-Madonna ticket. Well, I'm humping it back in a coach. I feel genuinely bad for you guys. No, you did it. No, I didn't. I feel genuinely bad for you guys.

And I said that we talked about this last time. And I was like, I said a text message to wherever. It was like, oh, maybe we can flop out of wherever. But by the time that I had any opportunity to flop out with you guys I had so much medication my system that couldn't there's no way I could even walk anyways he didn't sleep the entire flight he's in business class and saying that's insane now you know you have to go see somebody regular basis I talked to them I'll fuck up

it to you walk down the aisle and they sit and they stare at you and they judge you while you're sleeping Yeah, no they look at me. They the suit is lined up in the aisle and they stare at me and they judge me I have such a great photo of Matt Jeff and Gus sleeping on a plane It looks like the Neanderthal wax museum, you know every like that you know in the natural science museum Yeah, where like they should be making fire. I got it. We let me post it Yeah, I'll put, in the National Science Museum, where like they should be making fire. I gotta, you let me post it. Yeah, post it. Send it to me, I'll put it in the link down. So anyway, that being said, I pay off my bets.

So you have your money. Unlike some people we know who don't pay for it. Yes, thank you. When I was in, got my sweet, sweet international travel month. When I was in London with Gavin, I kept making bets with him. I kept making 100 pound bets with him. And by the end of it, he was like,

Yeah, I'm up 200 pounds, you owe me 200 pounds. I was like, that's great. I'll be later Did you really yeah, I well on those vets I Irishman them You can't be held accountable like yeah, it's like being on an island or what you had to find something to do Yeah, so it's like none of that stuff can be you can't be held accountable I don't remember if you're light gavino on fire. That's fine speaking of that stuff can be, you can't be held accountable. I don't even remember. If you're light guvino on fire, that's fine.

Speaking of bedside, is anyone talk to Joel about his sports bedding addiction? Oh, you bet on sports now? You know, Jack introduced me to this great- I let Joel to water and Joel drowned himself in that water. Yeah, basically. And I knew the day that you start betting on sports, there's no f-ing way. So we go back and watch the other sports. We were the big, we were have a big You just start saying I

You it's your problem. It's everybody so we went to Vegas for Joel's 35th birthday and while we were out there 1978 you And so So while we were out there we were the it was UT versus UCLA They were trying and so it was UT versus UCLA. They were trying. And so it was like, hey, let's go to a sportsbook. And Joel had never been to a sportsbook in Vegas.

All the time you've been in Vegas. I had never been to a sportsbook. I tried to avoid them on purpose. And so we go there and we put some money down on the game and UT won. And it was great. And then Joel's like, I want to interrupt you for just a moment. The worst thing that can ever happen to you is the first time you gamble, you win. Winning, that's the worst thing that can happen. Go ahead. Which happens every time? Yep. And you know they can smell happen to you is the first time you gamble you win. Winning, that's the worst thing that can happen.

Which happens every time. Yep. And you know they can smell it on you. I know. That's what you'd have been big the first time you ever gamble. But anyway, then after that it was the OU versus Florida State Games. So we put some more money on that and that was exciting and we won that one. And then I had a three team parlay and I won that one.

It was great. It was fun. But now Joel has taken it to the next level. I'm kind of a novice when it comes to betting. Explain to me what a parlay is. Parlay is when you make three bets. Or you make one, you pay one time, but you say three things will happen. So you're going to say, like, oh, you will cover the spread, Texas will cover the spread, and like, let's say USC will not beat the spread. So you bet on all three of those yeah if all three hits you get like a multiplier so like the more bets you get is exponential so it's like for my $50 bet I mean a three team

parlay and I won like 390 and then but if it was just what if it was like those are all individual bets I would have probably I would have made maybe like maybe 200 something like that if you're an athlete and you know the spread especially a basketball player with so easy to score how does that not affect you at the end of the game? I'm not saying you would cheat and make money off of it. But you're like, eh, today I'm gonna put the yellow, other yellow. Well, that's why they, they definitely

are brown on professional athletes betting. There's no much like betting, but just being aware of it. There's gotta be, I mean, there's gotta be games or fix. That has to be. Like the NBA officials, that they caught, that he was literally, it's just like, he's not the only one, and I was acting like an idiot and got caught I mean it's just like that's how it is there's there's no any anywhere that you have big pools of money doing things

There's gonna be people cheating. It's like Wall Street like Wall Street They just they just did an audit of the Fed right where they discovered 16 trillion miniature bailouts 16 trillion dollars worth of miniature bailout No, they were they didn't do an audit of the Fed. They just released some numbers. Okay. Like, we still, we have no idea of what the, you know, you're on it the Fed, right?

Like that's a fun thing. No, we would like to audit the Fed, because God only knows, but the Fed released some numbers. And remember, I remember Ford, like, oh, we didn't take any money. It was one of the big three who didn't take any money. And I was like, oh, we didn't make it,

and they produced a commercial, we didn't take any money. And then they released the number, they took money. Really? Wow. Of course they did, yeah. And, oh, we're making a make producer commercial, we didn't take any money and then they were just the number they took money. Really? Mm-hmm. Wow. Of course they did. Yeah. And uh, yeah. Yeah, but people watch commercials, they don't read news. No, exactly. Exactly. But it's funny that they were so scary. It's so lie. It's so lie, right?

No, I'm just saying, but if you don't get caught, if people don't know. Yeah, it's like, you know, it's a, it makes, it's a risk. And it makes sense. Like it. Well, listen, I said they consider that. They consider like the fallback. I bought a Ford truck this year because they didn't take bailout money. But they did take it. I did.

But they did. And the salesman even told me that he's had a banner year because so many people came in to buy trucks or by Ford's because they didn't want to buy from Chevy, because Chevy took bailout money. You're just awesome though. You got pulled over and you got a ticket because this cop saw your truck.

And he talked more about how great your truck was and ask you questions about it Then he did the ticket. Okay, I want to talk about some first. You have pulled over That was like the first day I got the truck. Yeah, but let me shine that let me explain that explain it So there's like eight school zones around our new office, which kind of sucks. Yeah, I mean, I get it They need to go back and forth to school, but chill be a. Okay, let's get out of the way of cars. They know well, they should teach them that in school. Don't get the fucking big bike. Yeah, but you have a truck. I have a smaller car. I'm just worried about damage to my car. Well, they can see me coming. So we were in

one of these like mile long school zones, okay? So we're in the school zone and all of a sudden ambulance passed us. By the way, going way faster than they should be in a school zone. So I have to pull over the business, Bernie. I have to pull over the right. They're looking for business, Bernie. I have to pull over to the right to let this ambulance buy. Then we start to go again. Then a fire truck comes by so we all pull back again, like, you know, just as we're about to get going again.

So then the fire truck goes, we wait, give it a safe distance again ahead of us because that's the law. Then we all pull out and start driving. Well, we're still in the school zone after all that and I forgot that. And so the cop is at the end of the school zone. He pulls over four of us. Oh, man, he talks to me like Brandon said for about 15 minutes, ask me how I like my truck and he's thinking about getting one. I'm like, me a nice like a car. Brandon in the truck at the time. Yeah. Yeah. And so it gives me a ticket. Fucker. God damn. That was about six months ago. And so I just, I just got another speeding ticket

just the other day. I want to say something. Allison Stroll, who runs Waypoint for 343 and for our main points of contact, lovely one at 343 Industries, lovely woman, beautiful person, fucking jinx. She's a jinx. Every time she talks about my driving, I got a car accident with her. And I was pretty serious when I was a six car pileup we were in. Yeah. Every time she talks about my driving, I get another fucking ticket. Did you get a ticket, Bernie? Every time she talks about my driving, I get another fucking ticket. Did you get a ticket, Bernie? Is that what happened?

I did. I got another ticket to the other night when we were leaving the high ball from our event. Oh really? Oh, again? I got a ticket two days ago. There was another incident in New Zealand. Because somebody's tweeting about my driving. She tweeted, did you get a ticket in the 6 car pile up?

No, I did not. Well, that's the car mark. I was in Jeff's car though. Oh, that's the car, ma'am. I was in Jeff's car, though. Oh, that's the car. I borrowed this car to go to the airport. Car, ma'am. That was actually your fault. This is not my fault.

Oh, I was supposed to drive. You were supposed to drive. And I got my car accident like, you know, a month after that. So. Did I got the car accident in Los Angeles last week? Did you really? Yeah, could you ride to rental car? Yeah, although I will say I got a fucking loser.

So I slid into the back of the lady. Because we had it was another thing where I was I we they were waiting Are she waited for a cop like the light was red and went green? She like pulled forward and then a cop passed in front of her so she stopped and then I didn't I looked away and I looked up and she was stopped So I got a call from her yesterday She called up. She said my car is fine. They buffed it out. It was great. So don't worry about it So we're learning very very much cops cause more accidents than they fixed that's what I'm hearing here Yep, it's cops and education are the bane

attractive that's what I'm hearing I have another really funny car accident but I'm gonna tell that car that you rented Jack yeah you rented a car from advantage rent a car I'm not kidding I've never seen a rental car like this they rented him like a 1995 Mercury what was it a grand marty it was like the drug runner car was awesome it was like this most ghetto vehicle ever. They're like you got to make three stops around LA. Oh, I got this car. We popped a truck. It's like a Saint Jerome issue. Like I feel like 10 bodies in that truck. It was huge and it was like all like the shocks were kind of blown on it.

So it was low to the ground. Oh my God. That's not a warning sign at all. It was a terrible car. So I haven't gotten a call from me. It's they might have been like fuck it And it's like scrap the car You know, it's probably one of the guys who works at the shop like gave you his car But they were out of cars for the day. Do you remember something similar happened to us once where we got a car I think it was the first time I went to Seattle We we parked it in the parking lot with dinner at a restaurant team back out and someone had fucking nailed the car in the parking lot Yeah, and it was fucked up and we just took it and dropped it off at the car And it'll place and they never say anything about it Gosh, by the way has an awesome memory. I'm gonna test you here. What was the restaurant? It's Bahama Breeze. God damn it

He's right. That is unbelievable. That is that that's what happened somebody dented the shit out of it After you go through enough accidents and enough rental cars you do get the idea that the employees at the rental car place They don't really want to deal with it either. No, so I mean they sort of want to pass it on to someone else. To the next day, they don't want to deal with it. Yeah, so I tell you what I rented a rental car in New Zealand. The lady at the counter goes, do you want the insurance? Now, keep in mind New Zealand is the other side of the street. When you drive, they drive on the left side.

And I said, I don't think so. And she like looked at me. It's my ability. Yeah, I go. Yeah, I do. She goes, yeah, you do. Sure enough, I wrecked the rental car. New Zealand, dude.

I drove into a guardrail, like 100 kilometers an hour. Bernie was driving like a maniac that whole trip. I mean, there's no like, they don't have roads. Like we have roads. They're small and they're winding and then top of hills. We were driving back from the hotel to catch our plane that we knew wasn't going to take off. And yet, somehow, all three of us were screaming at each other the entire way. back from the hotel to catch our plane that we knew wasn't going to take off and yet

somehow all three of us were screaming at each other the entire way. And like you have your nav, Brandon has nav system out of his phone, we have the car or her screaming. I took the same way. I've told everybody every cat is taken. He's the worst fucking navigator in the world. He's terrible. Gus, it's like, okay, if we're driving, we're gonna drive like 200 kilometers.

We're going from Auckland to a place called Madamada. 120 miles. You know that scene in the Irish strikes back with a million Falcon is flying through the asteroids? Yeah, that was what it was like. I'm gonna narrate my action here to tell you what I'm doing. Brandon, you're the navigator, so he sits in the passenger seat in the front. He goes, okay, I said, so you get us to Madamada. Here's exactly what he does. In Auckland, we're in downtown Auckland. He goes, okay, looks it up, he goes matamatta. Yeah, it's 200 kilometers away. He goes, take a left on Columbus,

then take a right on Miller, then get on one and go south for two hours, and then take a left on Duckland. Okay, put your phone away. I'm like, that's not what a fucking navigator does. And then when he's watching, I tell him he has to watch his phone, he literally would go, you were supposed to turn back there

Bernie is this thing we're like you're like okay, you're gonna turn at this street and it's about half a mile up ahead And it's just like he expects you like right when I turn to come up to tell him It's about 50 seconds away 49 seconds 48 seconds 46 Hey, the turns coming up on you right right there. I would do street right there. Yeah, I This is what I had to sit in the middle of plus like I don't know what it was But our phones were dying like if they are just going out They was all the percentage going down. There was a period in our country There was a period in our country called the was a period in our country called the MapQuest years.

Right. Where it was before Google Maps, and it was just an arriving technology, and basically, nothing on MapQuest correlated to the actual planet whatsoever. Yeah, so, but it would tell you to give you instructions and you get there and you follow and be like, there is no highway here. And it's like, you learn many valuable lessons during those years. The directions were great too.

They were too specific. It was like a hundred directions for like a four turn trip. And they were all- They would tell you when to change lanes and merge onto the three lines. Yeah, I remember it was like turned left, turned left, turned left. You know, it's just like,

why is it so much time right? You know, just like it's, it's like it's, that service was made for Bernie. That's the requirement. You're like, You have to act like a GPS. you. That service was made for Bernie. That's that's the requirement. You're like, you have to act like a GPS. That's what you have to do. You can take here's a street up here, turn right there.

Not in four miles, turn right. It wasn't five miles ago. That was the street. It was in my mouth. And like, so I told us how to get back to the airport. And it was a straight line. The same way all the cops take there were signs that said airport this way. And Bernie was like, why didn't we take the highway?

That was five miles out of our way. He took us he took us off on a road he took us through traffic lights while we're trying to catch a plane as opposed to going down 35 like a freeway. He decides let's go through the middle of town and go through the track. It's just as an American it's just concerning when you're headed towards an airport airport and you're not on a highway. We're gonna link them the Bernie and I's roots and you're gonna see how far out of the way his route went Why don't we talk about when we drove through the countryside and we took 40 turns Every single person I talked to you and in New Zealanders who were listening to this come back me up said you want to avoid

Hamilton by all costs and to take one B that was what they all said. He's the worst no No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, I feel like I feel like the trip would have been way more successful if I just had a hand on the wheel and I just take care of it That you were free to drive at any point I think you drove once Did you ever drive no, I did not try how could you not drive it? It's like a totally new experience driving that's the When we went down there and you had a rental car that first time we went in Wellington we all tried to parallel park Fuck and we also fuck that like we all tried we probably were there for an hour switching out between all of us, trying to parallel park, and we just gave up. I tried a couple of times this time and gave up too.

Yeah, it's just completely backwards in your head. Completely backwards. But that place was cool. The place we stayed in, in Madamatta was awesome. No, the photos you posted were just insane. They look fake. They look so cool or so nice. The best comment was, you took a picture of the Windows Wallpaper.

Yeah, right. Yeah, it looks like the default I just desktop background. Yeah, you know It was just burning on the trip Joel stayed behind and when we came back Joel was relaxed in a way that I've never seen him like he was completely stress-free to the point where I wanted to take his passport and shred it So he had to stay there was that it was that after game five of the world series Before I knew what I had missed so it's very relaxed I know this is like in a car loss somewhere No, that goes that was very relaxed. It's a beautiful country some sheep some jogging

Hills breezes international travel stretches me out. I'm gonna keep it real for a second and tell you why Keep it real Asian people in surgical masks scare the fuck out of it. They really do dude Would I see a person wearing a surgical mask in public? I'm like very disconcerting it is like that when the first time that sort of caught on was like bird flu, right? I guess it was SARS was a 2003. Yeah, no, but that's what I'm saying is like that that is a fairly recent phenomenon Like before people in Japan wear were sometimes too for pollution. I guess so, but it's like I don't remember seeing them or they didn't like concern me. Yeah, and then they're

everywhere. They're airports. Or they're airplane or something like that. So you saw like a Russian guy with a mask. You'd be like, okay, that's fine. That's fine. The most amazing guy shows you just like, no, at this point I think it'd be more scared if I saw a Russian guy in one, because I don't associate that with Russian people wearing surgical masks. But yeah, it's like when you're deporting a plane, I never noticed I'm getting on the plane. But then it's after you've been on the plane for 18 hours and you're going to deport your

waiting. And you look the right and there's the little old Asian lady in the fucking surgical mask. You're like, ah fuck. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Where was she sitting? does she have something or does she think I have something what does she know that I don't about this

playing? I mean you're sharing that's it you're in the you're in the two most people wear that mask thinking it'll keep germs out but that's not really what the purpose of those masks are it's like when you sneeze and cough it holds that particulate in look it's not a bad thing that makes me think

it's bad. I know I know I know I feel I mean I'd rather see someone bored in your plane with a AK-47. No, I mean I really would because it's like where were you flying next you're getting the secondary and tell you right now. You have been flagged by the TSA. So Bernie tried to kill me on the trip. It's like finding a hair in the bottom of a cup of pudding. You don't get the probably okay but it's just like you're like oh like fuck I just have to fly the bottom of your cup like oh god damn it I just read like the fly has a surgical mask. I just read yesterday this couple is suing the air-tran Air line because they're flight I want to say from Atlanta to Houston was infested with cockroaches. Yeah That's awful and before they told the flight attendants,

they took a bunch of pictures. And then they told the flight attendant the flight attendant said they couldn't do anything about it. They're suing for a company. What do you mean? What do you mean, what do you mean, infested? What does infested mean?

They were coming out of the air vents. Oh, yeah, but how many? They said they saw them coming out of the air vents and they saw them in the overhead baggage compartment. So multiple ones, I don't know how many beyond that. But what's the damage to them? I mean I mean like some people are really fucking scared of bugs Yeah, I mean yes, I mean you're scared of bugs and you're like while I'm trapped. I'm trapped That's gotta be you know the five people who are scared bugs also tend to be people who are afraid to fly

So that would be a bad combo name name ten people if you put surgical man That any of those copy of that would be a fucking right ten people that are afraid of bugs and afraid of flying I don't know I guess basically I'm just gonna list every woman I know Okay, so so Bernie tried to kill you in New Zealand Bernie tried to murder me in New Zealand So he was like he has a story as an American you get one freebie over So here here I want to tell you the story and I'm glad Brandon didn't tell it without me here last time Nope so guys I'm gonna tell you the story of Brandon and the electric fence I love it already so are there pictures? already. So are there pictures? I'm gonna start there are guys you want to see my

face? I want you to send them to me. So as you know New Zealand has a reputation for having a lot of sheep and livestock in general, but it's also very pretty and very scenic. So you have these rolling green hills that are dotted with these little sheep. It's so gorgeous. And you can literally pull over anywhere on the road and stop

and it's the most scenic thing that you've seen in probably a year and a half of your life. And so we reached this one point where there was a kind of like a rest stop and it was up on the top of one of these hills and we were looking over this huge valley. And we were pointing out the sheep that were just across this fence from us. And I looked down at the fence while Brandon is going, this is amazing. This is the best thing I've ever seen. And I see this big sign saying, no, no, no not a big sign I have a picture no there's no billboard well the billboard billboard is not a billboard is beyond a big sign I get it no it was a small sign it was a small sign that was located to the right of Bernie it was nowhere near me

okay and that's the side okay it's not here just not as big as I was and it wasn't close to me it was completely yellow and it stands out based on the color and it shows a hand with lightning coming out and we were we were in nowhere I think there's no way that could have been electric we're gonna we're gonna post this picture and then everyone can weigh in please you have a picture so the link so we're standing at the fence and we're looking over the fence and it's a barbed wire fence And we're looking and I see this electric fence sign

So immediately I think how the fuck do I get bragging? the election And so I was thinking so fast because the signs right there and it's yellow and he's gonna see it and I and I said I Said yeah, I said oh be careful because that wire is barbed wire the top wire I go don't watch out because I know barbed wire is Yeah, and then there's that other wire beyond it which is a yeah a beer wire Yeah, and it's it's being held out by plastic post so I'm like that's the electric wire and I go yeah I go and keep it my dude. I was thinking fast here. I pointed the other wire the bear wire

I go I go yeah, that's miniature. I know that's miniature barbed wire I forgot I forgot that you worked at a fencing company to 10 years. How do you know? How do you know that doesn't exist? Are you an expert? I? With the meat of the barbs are so small that you can't see them, but you can feel them and he immediately goes really and reach the Short I gotta take us it was like time stopped. He went It's like reaching through the Wire did you intern did you intern at a fencing company was that was at your trade? Or you're just like complete expert look what I'm saying is like how do I know that's not true?

Am I an expert on fences? Am I am I am I in the forefront of that technology? No one thinks you are an expert at fences Nobody nobody you do not have to worry about that. I'm so sorry. I trust my boss Jack you realize you really you're gonna kill me in the future You're gonna tell me that something is dangerous under their whole whole burning Trying to fuck with me. You're gonna murder me. Oh my god. Jack if I was an anime character my eyes would have been like this big and like doing that quivering watery thing Yeah, please. Oh please. He's right reaching what I think it's gonna happen. So what happened?

We don't have the middle of nowhere. There was nothing to let you fight about it. There were no power lines anywhere. So he grabs the wire and he's yanking out of the go. I don't feel the barbs. I'm like, what? I'm like, what? No. I barely touched it. It's like touching it.

What was your explanation, Bernie? Oh, it probably didn't shock you because you had rubber shoes. And you were saying, that's the only thing I could guess that he had rubbered sole shoes on. You ever watched my friend? Am I not, am I not a head current running through it? Because typically, do you have your Been around electric fence as much?

Because they pulse. They're pulse. Yeah. So I try to get him to hold on to it a little longer. I even talked about grabbing him and then grabbing, shocking myself, like, grounding us so that we can get the shock. It was so disappointing to switch a let down.

I've probably, like, throw a bucket of water on him. Just, like, I'm just, like,. I'm gonna push it over the edge. What am I gonna do? I grabbed his hand and licked my finger and stuck it in the cigarette later. Finally Bernie just stabbed him. So where are you taking the dissipation and stab him? So what happened? Did he go like, I was kidding.

There's not much of a job. I was trying to get you to look cute. Like what did he say after that? He held up like an idiot. How was so disappointed, guys. It ruined the rest of the day for me. I can't. Yeah, he was holding the wire and pulling up.

Trying to feel the miniature bar. I wasn't holding on any more, I didn't get any better than to touch it. I like to get my finger on it because I didn't think there was like little pieces of like, little pieces of bar of wire but it could have been really coarse. It could have been like if you slayed your hand on it, it could have been very uncomfortable. I didn't think that was very uncomfortable. I'm not gonna cross this wire He was very incredulous after I told him when I tried to do too I could have been killed

What would you have done if I had died out here like electric friends is gonna kill him plus there's national health care right in New Zealand You didn't even cover once again Bernie explaining his expertise on electric fences cows are more valuable than you are In New Zealand? It's like 2000 cows. And Michael would have been happy because where we stayed was a pony farm. Yeah, but little ponies everywhere. I don't even want to talk about that. I don't blame you.

They kept sending me like text messages along with pictures and like we're at the pony farm. We love it here and then it's like sending a picture of a picnic or whatever. Like trying to like get me down here or whatever but see I know Bernie so I knew it was just an attempt to like murder me on the road somehow or whatever so have you ever touched an electric fence? No, no but it has to be hilarious when somebody else does and you know that accident, quote accident we had uh Bernie rammed the car against the garbill on my side of the car that's that was the follow-up. Yeah, it was next to me.

Oh, yeah, I guess it would have been. Yeah, he should have news like here. It's on the passenger side. Yeah, yeah. I'm sorry, it's backwards. Oh, there was a truck 20 feet away. It was my only option. Did these roads are like, they're like 10 feet wide

and there was a huge tanker of, only have our tankers of milk truck. Milk? It's like these huge like 18-miles that haul gas in America, there it's all milk. Huge tankers filled with milk. So you opted to hit the guardrail on a bridge with like a giant, a giant,

a huge hit the guardrail. Action movies in New Zealand must be much less pointy. In the tanker truck and it doesn't exist milk. Yeah, the end of the term interview, I just like, he sucks and he's like, he's dunked in milk. tanker truck and it doesn't exist milk yeah the end of the end of the fuck he's dunked in milk oh no i'm lactose d1000

did you guys talk about um what was the other thing we were just talking about uh the tanker oh did you guys talk about the fact that uh there was a gas line rupture in New Zealand while we were there. No. Okay, so there was a lot of things that happened to us while we were in New Zealand. One of the first things that happened was that gas line rupture affected like, I don't know what it affected. It affected.

Northern end of the North Island. Yeah, which was that included me. So like for the first five days in New Zealand, it didn't have hot water really. Like a natural gas line? Yeah. Yeah. So their solution was they got a kind of repaired right away. But then what they said was residents can have gas, but commercial businesses cannot. But commercial businesses include all the hotels with the tourist cinema. So no one could take showers. Joel could not take a shower. Not a shower. I think showers are just're just freezing. They're invigorating.

How long was it? Like how many days? Like 48 cold showers. Yeah, smaller. And then, and then, and then the, then by the time we left, Quantish went on strike and we lost air travel by the time we left. So visiting New Zealand was like playing a game of civilization back order.

You strip away all the, all the things you've really,. Did I tell you did I talk about the desserts? Yeah I'm like you did not talk on the podcast you told me about it I decided I was only gonna eat desserts that we At the pony farm. I was like I'm only gonna eat desserts and so I would order like this I ordered like an ice cream Sunday the first day and it like so they sent me this like chocolate cake with like whipped cream on top of it And I was like oh, that's interesting or whatever and so I ordered that and the next day and it like, so they sent me this like chocolate cake with like whipped cream on top of it. And I was like, oh, that's interesting or whatever. And so I ordered that. And then the next day I ordered like ice cream sandwiches.

And the ice cream sandwiches were just like chocolate cake squares with whipped cream in the middle. And I'm like, okay, that's fine, okay. And then I ate that and then they said. You said maybe you thought maybe ice cream was different. I was like, what's going on? Like with these dishes, it's like the ice cream here is like, very, it's like whipped whipped cream or whatever. It was like, oh, it's weird. I didn't know that ice cream is different. I was like, what's going on? Like with these dishes, it's like the ice cream here is like very, it's like whipping cream or whatever.

It was like, oh, it's weird. I didn't know that ice cream was different in New Zealand. Well, the fifth day I ordered like just ice cream and it's like, I guess they just run that ice cream. They all they had was whipping cream and chocolate cake squares. I'm gonna know this is the main reason. The main reason is an ice cream is natural gas. You know that?

Is it? Man. We're gonna seriously, why do you have to start that? The funny thing is I'll let it mine out. I wanted it there. Yeah, I'm gonna cut yours out. There are so many dairies though in northern North Island, New Zealand that Yeah, I am making tortilla soup today It should be ready at two o'clock. Maybe a little after. What's up with that hat?

That was my right out of the pocket interrupting to ask if I was making him lunch today and I am making tortilla soup. But what my show me is it's highly poison. There's so many derries in the North Island that because they didn't have natural gas and they fell under the commercial ban for natural gas. They lost 20 million a day. Yeah, 20 million a day. They estimated because they couldn't pasteurize the milk. 20 million a what a day. Dollars. They couldn't pasteurize the milk. Yeah, so they were losing their product for the day.

Holy shit. For like six days in a row. And because it was cheaper because they were throwing out the milk, they ended up, they said this, I don't know how this works. They were irrigating with milk. That's right, yeah, they were throwing all the milk in fields or whatever.

And it's like, it was very weird. Wow. Yeah, right. That's right, yeah, they were throwing all the milk in fields or whatever, and just like, it was very weird. Wow. Yeah, right? That's the love. That's bizarre. Yeah, it's like, can you irrigate with milk? But apparently they were doing that

because it was cheaper. The funny thing is the corn had really strong bones. I didn't bring that crop. I can't see for myself. I'm sweating, I know what happened. New Zealand is like one of the levels in Nintendo where like everything's made out of chocolate cake or whatever, just like everything's pretty

and so. It's like that since episode the land of chocolate exactly Like the clouds look like the bushes. Have you ever seen that before from Super Mario? It's one of the things that you never noticed until somebody points it out. Yeah, I guess though that the bushes are the same as the clouds They just color them very clever Fuck with you forever. So I'm made a great point about Super Mario I'll say I tweeted how I'd love to be the bad guys And all the first person shooters like I'd love to invade some other world and just like just try to take over and still natural resources You are an American. Yeah, so once that that's really the Plot of Mario

Like this plumber from our our world sneaks into whatever whatever that's called Russian Kingdom starts eating everything like killing all the inhabitants. Imperialism. There you go. There you go, Holder. I think Miyamoto's birthday was yesterday or today, and he turned 59. I'm not gonna accept this alternative view of Mario.

He's getting his girlfriend back. And this is army, he's fighting the army of the bad guy. You can't turn that into something negative, some kind of monopolistic, you know, capitalistic, monopolistic you know capitalistic imperial mushrooms and turtles how did he ever manage yeah you don't you don't think in any cases of imperialism throughout history there haven't been you know those people who are being not Mario is the one person like they've done anything to the to the state like they have an attack or they haven't like you know taken anybody. I want to tell you what you put on yourself

What do you mean example where somebody stole the Queen of England's husband and she had to like invade that country to get him back I always I was specifically talking about princesses and queens and sure why not I mean what's to give me an example of how somebody did Something and that started a career not enough not to get Brandon But what about like Helen of Troy. What's that like Helen of Troy? I'm gonna be really stupid. Is that a true story? Well, it's who knows Greek mythology. Sure. There are a lot of hostages. The the what it wasn't the Trojan war and actual event or the Trojan Wars. Yeah, but a lot of the stories. Yeah, who knows? Yeah. It has been embellished or yeah, they they have a tendency to do that.

She was really only a seven out of 10. But back then like you know, the hottest you can find is like a three. Yeah, seven. She really went a long way. Thank you, back then, like, you know, the hottest he could find is like a three. Seven. He really went a long way. Thank you, Jack. I'm glad you're here to play along with that one. No worries. Well, another cool thing we got to do when we were down in New Zealand is that we were

invited to visit the set of the Hobbit. And that's really what we were down. We were on a pony farm and we were at this cottage in the middle of Madamada, New Zealand. And we got to spend a day watching the film, The New Hobbit movie, In the Shire. It was awesome. Which was awesome. And I would like to be able to post pictures from that,

but we weren't allowed to, obviously, it's a high security environment. And we weren't allowed to take pictures out of there. But that we were there with a reporter for Ainut Cool News. We know his quint, name is Eric Vespi. And he's been posting, I've been linked to that quinter. He posted some pictures. Yeah.

And in my journal on Ruchia posted some links to his reports and you can see the days that we were there we'll make sure to put that the link that was awesome that was awesome that was the nicest crew ever even the security guard was just like hey you guys here for those are the that's the key we the key we're just really nice people yeah you can stop and talk to anybody until you call a monocle that you're saying you have to fight them. All of them.

Actually, Australians, yeah, that's true. If they're out of the country and you say, oh, you're from Australia, they will fucking lose it. They will lose it. And we also, you landed in New Zealand on a very good day because we landed the day after the All Blacks won the Rugby World Cup, which was awesome. So the New Zealand was in party mode when we showed up nice

Which was pretty cool. There weren't any riots. It's not like an American team winning it They like tipped over sheep and burned them They all went out and grabbed the lunch But I wasn't working. Yeah, that's right. Because they were out of power God, what if the natural gas somehow affected that electric fence being off that would be the greatest tragedy of all Yeah, that would be the greatest strategy in the history of the greatest what? Strategy. What are you owe me a gigantic shock? You owe me one gigantic shock. That's what you owe me. You owe me workers come. I set that up. Listen, yeah, you have to sit there lifting stick your finger in a light socket.

That's all we want. Just let us let us film it. Damn. I can't believe that wasn't paid off. That was so that was such a disappointment in my life. But the crew was awesome like a barble Invisible barble You didn't stop not say invisible. No, I didn't say miniature. Just so small you can't see the bar Hey, the best one was not impossible. I wanted him to see like if you got shocked that he actually I felt the bar That's what I was But the cat the the crew of the hobbit movies that works for, I guess, is it wingnut that makes them?

Yeah, winged films. And you have never met a more specialized group of people. Like you talk to everybody what they do and they are so, so specialized. Like for instance, the lady who sat next to us while we were watching the monitor while while we watched the scene film between a certain wizard and a certain short person. I'm not sure if I can say. What she did is she put hair on things that was her job so she had these like knee high latex hobbit feet with leggings that went all the way up to the knees and she would stipple hair on it.

And like she'd take a handful of hair in one hand and she had this little needle barbed device and she would just sit there and like add a hair at a time to the feet. Holy shit. That's what she did. So I said, I gotta ask you like, how did you learn to do this? What do you do? She came from Madam Tussaud's wax museum and she was the person who put hair on the wax statues. And I had to ask, like, what's the worst ones?

And she had done, like, what's that guy's name? Troy Palomalu from the Pittsburgh Steelers. She did him. I thought you were gonna say Ringo Star. Brother Williams. That guy's like a lion. And she did Kim Kardashian, which is fucking lame. But yeah, she did that.

Hopefully she did that. Who hasn't? She's a black guy. No, hey. I haven't I think the wax that she's more real than kid is But you know what she said the hardest one was of them all She said David Beckham's the hardest because he had a shaved head and you have to get all the follicles Perfectly spaced so that it looks right. Can you imagine that the precision that that would take can you what she I Can't imagine how you prepare for a career in that I who knows who knows and so then she did that like she's the the hair person that maddened to toes

And so she ends up now as the hair person that wingnut putting hair on hobbits feet Wow and it looked awesome. I mean those those those whoever made the latex feet and the leggings I mean you would get right up next to it and look at it and it looks like you're it looks like you're looking at a Bin full of feet real feet. Yeah, it's kind of creepy. They're super durable. It's not like they have to be applied and remade each time they use it Let me just like can you tell me how they reusable like they put them on they can take them off And then yeah like this they just had a bin you just grab your feet Clear down all right, we got to meet Peter read Jackson. We got gonna wrap things up soon, but I'll let you continue for now. Talk about the Halo movie.

Oh, yeah? Time for wrap it up. No. What do you say about the Halo movie? You know, I mean, he doesn't. Oh, yeah, we're secretly working on it. You know, there's nothing like that. Breaking news.

It's just like, you know, he knew about Red vs. Blue. I think his kid watches Red vs. Blue. And so nice. So we chatted about Halo and just how we both hope there'll be a Halo movie at some point. It was a surreal moment. like all I can think about is what do I need to talk about like I could always say to well if anything I mean he helped introduce Neil Blomkamp to the world which is kind of cool who was

the original director who was going to be the director of Halo who did a district nine yeah which district now is fantastic and only imagine a Halo movie with that sort of level of detail I've been great man it's really interesting to because Neil Blomkamp has not done or announced anything since District 9, right? I kind of sworn there was a trailer for something he was doing. I don't know, maybe not.

Gosh, you'll be happy to know this. Do you know who just put out a teaser for a movie that he's working on? Is it The Snow White and a Huntsman? No, it is not. Hunger Games. I want to get this name right, and I'm not going to get the first name right.

Shane Karuth, just put out a teaser for-. Oh really? Who is the writer director of primer? Who has not made a movie? It's 2000 long time ago. Five. Yeah. I guess you probably made that movie in 2004 and it just made the festival circuit in 2005. What? We don't. Yeah. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, Elysium or Elysium it comes out in 2013. I'm working on that with Matt Damon Jody Foster and William Fitchner Well there you go William Fitchner, who's that he's the guy from Shawshank, right? Uh, the Stuttering Guy. What's he in Shawshank? I don't remember him. I'm gonna say you like he's like like creepy looking guy You you're you're recognizing oh no, no, that's the guy who's in everything. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah he was in The longest yard the remake without him saying there. He was in the longest yard, the remake, without him saying, Laird, he was the security guard,

the warden. He was like the middle age, super buff dude. Yeah. God, he was the blind guy in contact. Yes, he was in go. He was in go. He was in drive fast, whatever that Nicholas Cage movie was. That's three.

Drive angry, drive angry. Yeah. Give me that $20, don't put that in the bag. I'm just gonna give you a shot. I'm just gonna give you a shot. I'm just gonna give you a shot. I'm just gonna give you a shot. I'm just gonna give you a shot. I'm just gonna give you a shot. I'm actually just have a folder full of those guys those actors will image mace I feel like was like that for you want to find someone Steven Tobolowski look at all the movies Steven Tobolowski I would if I could spell Tobolowski. He's a yeah the ball dude. He's the ball guy

He he was a net there's a riot and from every actor changing our name with something simple See how I was talking jolt started the net Ryerson from Groundhog Day. He's been to some like 600 movies. Yeah, something like that. There's actually a movie. It's Steven Tobalowski's birthday party. It's like him telling stories about movies. He's worked on. It's really cool.

So, we need to wrap up. We need to wrap up. This is like getting to be the longest podcast ever. Yeah. All right. Well, thanks for joining everyone. He's the longest podcast. It was good having you.

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