Rooster Teeth Podcast - RT Podcast #158

Episode Date: March 21, 2012

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Twisted metal, streaming now, only on P-Coc. It is the drunk tank. Wow, that was awesome! Hey, what's up? Podcast. It's outside that phone we got, what was the lot about? I didn't listen, but I think he said that Bernie likes firecrackers and that I like alcohol and this is a drunk tank. Wow. I'm just glad that somebody said I like firecrackers. It's the same with you. That was an awesome intro. Yeah it was

a I just closed it. I mean it was a couple of years on the site Abe Tastic and we'll say yes go away. I know Abe Tastic. Yeah. When's Mexican Independence Day? What do you think it is every day this is actually a big point of contention for us maybe it's in summer you don't know you wouldn't know yeah I guess so I would say it is the fifth of May because that's Cinco de Mayo but it's not right it's September 16th oh so Americans made up a Mexican holiday Barbara has a few running out of sheep We were doing something funny before the podcast and laughing. They didn't really make it up

They just blew it out of proportion. It's like a known thing, but no one really celebrates it. It's like nothing Oh, I told you about this before like the cabir company just made it I think course started to start promoting it to promote It was the same for hallmark or something probably like just invented the Valentine's a bloke What a guy yeah, he got rid of all the snakes in Ireland right? If I was Valentine's Day a holiday when they had that big massacre on Valentine's Day Or was like St. Valentine's Day like are there other Saints days like we have St. Patrick's Day

It's like a St. Michael's Day. We have all saints day. Does that count? Oh St. George day or something the guy that killed the dragons is that after He slayed all the dragons or something was that back in England. Yeah, are there dragons in the Bible? There are Sky dragons in the Bible? There are in Skyrim. Skyrim Bible? Which is like the video game Bible. I can't stop playing Skyrim, guys. Like, I actually have a condition.

I can't stop. I'm thinking about it right now. I'm surprised you didn't play before, because you played Oblivion. I hated Oblivion. It was a pile of poo. Gavin did one of the funniest things I've ever heard of anyone doing in a video game.

We're Gavin ruined a town for himself, because he found a bug in the game or read about a bug where you could duplicate any item. And so he duplicated it, if I recall, quickly a thousand melons. No, it wasn't a melon. It was like a glowing orb that had particles coming out of it, which was even worse. So I accidentally duplicated it a thousand times. And they, and like the game just cried. It was like, it slowed slowed the hell down they all were in the air and then they all hit the ground and started rolling away I was like so the game had to handle them rolling yeah glowing and particle effects I can pick I can pick things up because I like one frame a second I was like

can you become a vampire yet in Skyrim no I was really worried though fucking stuff how do you get a vampire? What you could become a vampire in I know and you could become I thought it was a werewolf you could also become a werewolf Oh, I only became a werewolf. I didn't become a vampire you become a werewolf. I believe a baby If you become a werewolf you can't become a vampire. Yes, it's like the Bible You slide off your ass. You was dragging and you get visited by the world But it is literally the worst part of that game So I was a vampire for five real days.

So you actually got bitten, you fought a vampire and got bitten? I'm not quite sure how it happened. There's a dungeon in the game where there is a vampire in a cage. And I think if you try to kill her, you can track it somehow. And if you don't realize it soon enough, you become a full person. Can you actually, well that's not accurate. Can you unvampy yourself? Can you get rid of it? Yes, but it's so dumb.

Because every single person, if you're like a full vampire, I think it takes four days in the game or something like that. Every single person wants to kill you, no matter who they are. Just like you tried to kill the fucking vampire in the cage. Learn your lesson. You know what happened? Look at what you became, Barbara. That's, that you know what she probably did.

She probably went into the cave. No one's gonna find me in here. And even for further protection, I'm gonna lock myself in a cage. Like I'm going to see great whites. I was caving and punching that down. Look at what you did. You deserved. She had treasure in the cave. I wanted it. So... Here comes one.

I just wanted it. Some lurches on it. I'm in the cage. I can't possibly hurt you. It's just sticking her sword in the park. Like, take that. Man, by your bitch. It's a bloody ruffling thing. I made an achievement hunt a video with Jeff today.

Well, it's coming out today where we were throwing cabbages and landing them in buckets. I'm so much fun. It is an awesome video, but you also shot, are you going to put the reactions? Yeah. At the end, we were trying, like, I nailed, maybe six quite good shots over this over the course of a morning And then we spent the entire afternoon just trying to get one ridiculous shot where we stood on one rooftop We threw a cabbage bounce to offer another rooftop across the street. It rolled down the roof and into a bucket Okay, now it's about three hours to get it right as an employer. I have to ask does that take two people

I mean Is is is even a multiplayer game? Well, I was in charge of aiming and Jeff was in charge of monitoring where my cabbage is while landing and whether we should move the bucket or not. Never have I left it out here. Did I think I would hear that phrase coming from a job? Jeff is monitoring where the cabbage is. It's cabbage output. I'm moving the bucket. Yeah, and then I um, I flipped on a camera right at the end just to cap to the moment where we actually got it. It was amazing. I had never seen Jeff's that happy in my entire life.

It was pretty funny. I heard it out in the studio. I came in and I was like, what the fuck is going on? They're like making out when I walked in. Well, that's like normal. Yeah. That is everybody. In the end of every video, there's a cabin shoot.

Nobody was like, it's a really funny part about it is because it, I don't want to spoil a video, but there's a trajectory that the cabbage takes, and you can see their eyes following on the tree. They can start too long, you can be watching them watching. It's so focused. You know that you're both definitely quiet. I mean, this is like an eruption of pure joy.

Yeah. No one's ever been that happy about a cabbage. How are you going to put the reaction video up? You're going to put it as like at the end of the video. It'll be a picture and picture. A picture picture. And you get a dispose that one of its own. Yeah, seriously.

It's so funny. I guess it could. So I've been playing Mass Effect 3. That's what I've been playing. And I got to say Mass Effect 3 has done something really, really cool. The multiplayer is awesome. I didn't know the multiplayer was co-op. Yeah.

I thought it was versus multiplayer. It's kind of like a Objective-based horde mode in a way isn't it would you say yes because it's like a horde mode where you had different levels You have increasingly difficult enemies waves of enemies. I don't know if there's more enemies But they definitely step up the enemies the face you like the mech show up later and things like that I thought you said you would never play the multiplayer when we did the left-for-dead stream I didn't say it would never play it. I just said I hadn't played it. And Mass Effect does not strike me as a multiplayer game.

Okay. That's what I said. Why would I ever not play it? The company seems to just be put, you can put a hold mode into any game now. So they might as well. What do you think, what do you recall as being the first game that had Horde mode?

Here's a war wasn't it? I think so too. That's what we all call a Horde mode. And now it's in, yeah, we just call it a hold mode. And now it's in Modern Warfare, it it a hold my now it's in more far It's in Halo. It's you know, they're saying true. There's a there's a horn mode like war. Yeah Play that horn mode is awesome. Is it it's like a bunch of the objectives constantly changing like each wave is just super fast Like less than a minute and it's just different every time every wave is like okay. Now do this now do this now do this

man And it's just different every time every wave is like okay now do this now do this now do this man There was awesome there was a one of the challenges that you had to out of like 41 challenges in St. Saro to get one achievement to 100% the game one of them was to play these survival Modes and there were 26 of those so fucking hard and tell them really 10 minutes long You know, so it's like you think about the amount of time you invested, just playing that one part, 26 parts to a 41 part achievement. I mean, that thing is ridiculous. Yeah, like I've done some of those where it's like, oh, how much longer is it gonna go? I'm still on a wave one.

Yeah. Like, wow, what the fuck? Some of them are timed, and some of them are based on how many people you kill. And then later, honestly, in Tainture Road, it gets to the point where it's like, if you've played enough, they're like, fuck it. You know, we're not gonna torture you to death you have unlimited health

You have unlimited ammo and each go nuts and that's the game gets really ridiculous Yeah, then you're just grinding you know there's no challenge about that. No, that's true It's but that game is just so much fun. It doesn't matter He's got a point. I mean once you get a rocket launcher to blow in every fucking thing up And you've also fought enough of those goddamn broots and there's this Asian gang, the Decker's, they're like, they look like they're all wearing trowel outfits essentially. They have their special gang member.

She's fucking bitch. She's on roller skates. She's like, the worst. She's like, this appears. Yeah, she's the worst. She's all around the screen and she's got on, she's on roller skates and she's served burgers. You're like shooting her and then she's gone.

Yeah. Warp, I hate warping. You're like shooting her and then she's gone. Yeah. Warping, there's a warping enemy that's going to. But anytime I see that car driving up from that gang, no matter what I'm fighting, I will stop and I will target the car because I know I can shoot the car easier with her in it than once you get out, it's mad. What's the activity in Saints' right away? You have to keep a combo up and you have a rocket launcher and you just shoot stuff. That's mayhem?

Yeah. And the picket fences are the ultimate. Do you find that at least? St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. that Like it even acknowledges the fact that everyone uses the fence. That's really funny to either combo up Cuz I still haven't played the third one, but I will at some point. It's really great. It's really great The second one had a I you know, I always go for to 100% games and the second one had a bunch of cop achievements at you and I tried to get together Mm-hmm And it was like once we've got out of sync. We lost it We have to start the whole game. Yeah, so many issues So can you do cop and to get the whole game for you. We had so many issues.

So can you do Cop and to get those challenges that you were talking about? I think you can play Cop to get all the achievements, but there's nothing that requires you to play in Cop. Do you know who the worst teammate is for doing Cop challenges in a game? Who? Jeff Jeff.

I tell you about the time when, remember in Crackdown 1, where there was an achievement for doing the races. This is when I used to race Jeff for achievement and I actually was a point of contention for me there was a time where I was trying to help Jeff complete all the races in crack down one and I was in England at this point so we're playing over Xbox Live and he was he would drive his car out and I would drive my car on the other way and just take out all the opponents so you're helping him to do it and all of a sudden he just stops talking and down the mic like this here

He's falling asleep, and I'm like well, I've taken out all the cars and he's just sitting there on the tracks Because it's crack down. I lifted up his car and ran it As long as he goes to the checkpoints, I was just there like Carrying his car to me about you are better kid. Yeah, to be on 20 minutes to run that thing around the whole track That's ridiculous. But yeah, don't do stuff with Jeff because you have to do with a lot you will I think I have to pick a car out while you sleeping in it Then carry him across the real life I also stopped playing with him because we would also like try to get achievements together and if I wasn't available for five minutes

He was like fucking. I'll just get like Gavin and whomever Michael and they'll help me get it. And so then I don't get to achievement. There was one I think we tried to get on Graw II, where you fucking had to play a survival level. For now. If 60 minutes, fuck that, fuck. So you have to restart each time you die.

Yeah. And Graw is one of restart each time you die? Yeah. And growls, growls is one of the games of a realistic military game. You can shot the knee in your dudes like on the ground. And then you can shot one more time in your dead. It's not like Halo where it's like your health rebuild. I took a picture when we completed that. And it says when everyone died, like someone died after five minutes. I died off to 58 minutes and 30 seconds.

Oh my god. Oh my god. Because they finished, I got the achievements. Did you really? Yeah. So we did all of those in the party that completed it. Okay. So I got the achievements. Did you really? Yeah, that's okay So we did all of the party that completed it Okay, so you got the credit for it? Yeah, I could have died after a minute and then just walked away We made a sandwich or something went to sleep That's what you

Then you can pick up the dead body using the field. We're not leaving you behind We're trying to you, but the in left for death though. You have to be alive at the end Don't you fuck me? That's what I was gonna say. did that live stream where we tried to finish dark carnival on expert I went home and I just joined games where I like you joined like the level before the finale Uh-huh, and I was playing I have finished that finale now four times But didn't make it on the fucking helicopter so I don't regret it for the level God it's killing me It's killing me. I was looking at the achievements for left for dead two and there's a load of new ones since I last played I guess DLC came out they're talking about like sacrifice. Yes. Why is that it's one of the DLCs?

It's actually what what is it because there's an achievement for sacrificing itself. How do you do that? It's the crossover. It's a narrative event that takes place I don't want to spoil it. A letter dead two is what two years old We actually found out they're not even selling new copies left for dead to anywhere We'd abort by a month by them off Amazon because GameStop doesn't stock Left For Dead too. That's crazy. That's weird, right? Left For Dead to Super Oddly Word. That is weird. At the very least, God damn, put it on games on demand. So what is the shelf life of a game then? Like three years and then it's just gone.

Probably less, I would imagine. Interesting. It totally depends on the game. Yeah. Like Halo, I don't think that would ever be off the shelf I think the Halo will always be in the game store shortly Halo reach He's had to think Halo 3 is available. Let's call game stop right now Looking it up right now. Oh, you're gonna check online. Yeah, let's see it. We should call a local store I can look at the local story of Entourage all right But I just wish it was games on demand I have to admit that a games on demand is so pointless what that's no new games

I don't want to buy an old game on demand. I think I've already got old games. They're getting better Yeah, it's perfect for games that you miss like I missed LA noir. Yeah, and that on games on demand Yes, that is out on games on demand Like we're two I miss Gears War 2 somehow. I don't know how but I missed it and to the point where I started playing it a week before Gears award three came out and I played that on games under Halo three is only available pre-owned. Yes, the same thing with left for dead too. Mm-hmm That was really strange right? It's pretty weird. I mean it's sense because there's something new games coming out all the time That it's like they have to kind of have that turnover rate rate I guess so but some of the games are putting up there. Can I say something? I am ready for the new console now Why I just want a new one. No, no don't talk like that. What this mini-sense? Oh new features this

This is we kind of dated with this the X it's been out that like seven years But look at the dashboard compared to what it was when it started yeah Brilliant like we should go back and look at Do we have a video of the old blade? Somewhere how slow it was and there was nothing on there. I mean it was you had you know You're remember the rating system where you get five stars and would show that very prominently that you're your player rating I think that's still I'm still in there. Is it yeah? Have you ever seen anyone with like one star?

No, what is that for? I guess it was something that maybe they thought was gonna take off but then didn't. They did it a lot at Xbox. They add features in and then if people don't use them, the audience will say, you know, where are they gonna use this or not use it and then it kinda dies off. Who knows, achievements might not have caught on but apparently they really, really did. They really did. I wonder if anyone would be like, hey this guy only has four stars, not gonna play with him. I'm assuming we do it for matching, right? I guess so.

You can select whether you want to be matched with a person again. You can avoid or prefer players. I'm pretty sure that doesn't do anything to you. I only avoid players. I don't think I've ever preferred a player. Oh, no way. You can also look at your own rating and it gives the percentages of why people rated you down.

Right. And I've got like 60% unsporting behavior. What did I do? I can't avoid what I did. But you have, but you probably only have, you say 60% ofporting behavior. What did I do? I can't avoid it. But you have, but you probably only have, you say 60% of the people who raided you down or avoided you. Yeah. When was the last time you raided a player?

I think that I had to. It's been a long time for me too. I just mute people. That's what I do. Yeah? Yeah, it seems like you can't mute like a teen killer though, or someone who's like just terrible. Or someone who quits, it's the worst. You know, as soon as you're...

Those are the kind of people I normally avoid. I love the jackass. When you're playing left for dead too, who dies, like right outside the safe room and then quits. That's what you would do, Gus, because you had one time at a raid where you fucked up and you were... Oh, that was embarrassing, yeah. So some of the stuff went out of the embarrassing.

I love what they do. The embarrassing just feel self. Like you put your hand over the screen I could see that if you didn't want someone else Oh, this is terrible awful. So you we covered up the chat so you could yes, I couldn't see it. I don't want to see what they're yelling This awful terrible as a crazy chat Crazy what is what's people world of work? Yes You have your play the world of work. Yeah, I really I didn't know that I played it for like maybe two days

And then I was like I don't like it. Well, this would be guilt jet So this would be people who know each other really well well So when Gus fucks up. Yeah, especially Accountability. Did you play with them? I may have transferred I may have transferred servers after that I don't remember I might have you're really hard on yourself, dude It was awful. I don't remember because I don't even remember what I did But I still remember that now I'm still embarrassed about it whatever it was Man, fuck something up. Have you ever been banned for Mexico's life? No, you were though.

Why were you banned? When we invented Griffball, I, like a genius, called my team, Team Scroatin. So I put Team Scroatin in the motto of my profile, got banned for it for a week. And then later that week my I'd scrote them surgery. There's karma punching me in the face. Oh no cover punching you in the back. Yeah and then after that I'd change my team name to team torsion.

Right team torsion. Now wait a minute I thought you named your team scrored them because of the surgery. No complete coincidence. I renamed it because of the surgery. Like foreshadowing. Yeah. So I got banned and then my whole twist did it. It's karma. It's like a witch hiding in a cage somewhere. Or a vampire or something. Griffball was so fun. Dreamer. When we were good at it.

It was a time when I was the best person in the world at Griffball. Yeah. And we played that game with Bungie to show us. It's like, I literally heard someone from Bungie say, how does he do it? It's like watching all football games now, and you see like, so good in the leather helmet. And like, no pads running down the field, like that's you.

Like, all the wool was broken, and you could fly over the wall if you were kept. Yeah, you could literally just jump straight over the wall. And because they said, why don't you build a wall and go to the ceiling and say, well, who would jump over it? I was made of video. We found out once and when I next box, like, everybody jumped over the wall.

I did a video at some point, like the evolution of the Griffball court, where like, the walls were. Didn't, did I do of the Gryffport court, where the walls were, didn't I do that? They were all jinky, the first walls. Then what's his name, God, we're a hold of it. Who's our big map guy? I can't think of his screen name. Yeah, what's his screen name?

I can't think of a right name. Knock your, brilliant. Yeah, he's brilliant, yeah. He's the walls he make. And he ever seen such straight lines before Halo region forged, they had a locking feature. He didn't have that in Halo 3, and he was seen to straight lines before you know Halo region for it They had a locking feature. He didn't have that in Halo 3. Yeah, it was done by I and he had to like it's do that thing Where you you had to set something spawn in the future and you had to align it where it was gonna be and then it was spawn in and like

Phase through it and merge them. Yeah, it's crazy not doing that. I can't tell you how much I wish for it Had one level of undo. Yeah, it doesn't have any undo much I wish for it had one level of undo. Yeah, it doesn't have any undoes. It's one level. That's it, because it's like you go to like, you go to like delete something sitting on the base and you actually delete it. We guessed you did that. That was impressive.

I played horse yesterday. The fact that Gustus is like pick up the front bit of the track. He's like, oh, I think he's like, shitting everything. Yeah, so I only slide to get my jacket out. We're going to go around the map so you could explain me what I needed to do I turned into the monitor and I instantly picked up like the first part of the track. Oh shit Yes, I relayed or did you know? No, no, no, I managed to get it back in there. No Reload you never really did exactly right, but there's some like gaming moments where I've just been so excited by game

And Griffle was one of them and another time I've been really excited about playing was when Gus and I used to play super Mario Bros on the DS. Oh my god. I've never had such an intense gaming moment. That is some of my favorite gaming ever. It was playing the multiplayer of New Super Mario Bros. And the... Did you ever play? You have to like collect stars and you can like mess each other up. It was basically a race in the same 2D size growing. There were stars that would spawn and you had to be the first person to click. We were playing hotels when we used to do conventions a lot. And we must have been kicked out of a hotel.

It was so loud. It was like your skyrim thing with the camera. It was like the same level of enthusiasm and screaming. There was a tie where he just beat... It was 2 for 2, we were playing 5 rounds. He was also 4 for four on the stars. I was like, I'll start left and we were both running for it and he got it. He screamed so loud, he then like just whipped his shirt with all that.

And then like jumped on the bed and started like, you're not gonna be like whipping his shirt. I was like, oh! Wow, this is my life right now. This teenager from England. I'd to like do that again and film it Oh my god, they would never live up to Never be able to recreate that I'll never wipe that image from my So much like us with a shelf anyway

Before there was Xbox live and we would drag our Xbox is over everybody would come to my house And we would set up live and we would drag our Xbox is over everybody would come to my house and we would set up TV to be play Multiplayer on blood Gulch and sidewinder in my house. Those are most fun ever I would like you can have a catch the flag game that would last like Those sidewinder games would go on forever Not in a bad way it'd be like awesome. Yeah, super intense and if you actually get to the flag and get out you like guys guys Oh, yeah out you're like guys guys guys oh shit yeah you get like far up I'm like guys

I'm gonna get the car and then you get murdered where the fuck is the fuck is the fuck is the fuck is the fuck is the fuck is the fuck is the fuck is the fuck is the fuck is the fuck is the fuck is the fuck is the fuck is the fuck is the fuck is the fuck is the

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Dude I don't know I like playing left for dead I mean that game is three years old right at this point. I can pull a blood for dead too and we had a blast playing that. How long did you guys play for? Like two hours? Two hours. Maybe at one level. Yeah how long did we fail? I made it through one level. I watched the live stream we did pick you up a couple times.

Yeah, twice on that way. Is that still available to watch on? Yeah, to it. And you can see that whole time, I just kept booking it for that room, as I was not stopping. Yeah, you were like, I'm leaving everybody behind eating a shit. I like the bit where you try and throw a boom of bar on me.

I was like, no, no, no, it wasn't. It was planned. It's on purpose. But I had a, no, no, I wasn't. It was planned. It's on purpose. But I had a lot of fun playing, so I'm left with dead. And I mean, it was different, but like playing Halo 2 and Halo 3, you played 5200 games of Halo 2? Yeah. I think I played like 4500 games in Halo 2.

Right, it was Joel who played 5200, yeah. Holy. I mean, that's a lot. It's a lot of time. I wouldn't want to add up all that time. I know. I mean, if you figure about 10 a lot of time. I wouldn't want to add up all that time. I know it's it I mean if they figure about 10 minutes to match let's do maybe about 8 minutes Don't look it out because it might be sad. So 5200

The motion is 4500 times 10 divided by 60 750 hours wow divided by 24 31 days. You play up for a month like a solid. Let me even divide it by waking hours. We'll do 18 hours a day. 41 days of your life.

Straight. So proud of you. Imagine what I could have got done in 41 days. If it was a good day. I know about 4500 days I hate what's going on. But that's how I know you guys so well. That's how I got friendly with you guys is because of Halo 2, you're playing on Xbox Live. If that was your full time job, full time, 40 hours a week,

playing Halo 2, you played, you was your full time job for 19 weeks. Where you used to be? Five months. Show up every day in clock in, almost half a year, basically. That's awesome. And now you throw cabbages.

Now it's where the cabbages in Skara. Wow, that's crazy. But in the game. It's evolution. It doesn't seem like we could have some kind of game where there's something on the back end that is a useful thing. Like we're doing something, you know,

while we're all playing a game, there's like a distributed computing thing but the trend end is a game. Yeah, instead of just like everyone just Wasting their time. It's easier for the computer to be like no asshole get out of my way. Let me process How many people do you think you've met in your life? That's a good question. I met a lot of people No, that's not a good question I'm intrigued by because I meet new people all the time it seems and. And I'm wondering, like, what if I've met this person before, or like how close...

What do you mean, like, what do you mean, like, meet just, like, even like a casual introduction? Like, say, I just get introduced to someone. I would love to know if I'd like, pass them in an airport before, or like, how many times I might have almost interacted with that person in the past. It's like, coincidence is very interesting. Well, I mean, if you think about it, even running into people you know, sometimes like out of the blue is really bizarre Like one time Joel and I were flying back from Canada and we ran into Jack at Chicago at the Oh hair airport Yeah, we're like what the fuck are you doing? He's like, um, in the middle of the fly, so we went and had a beer. It's like what are the odds?

It's got to be great odds that you've met someone and that you see them again in England The popular thing to do is the booze cruise where you take the ferry over to France and get a load of cheap alcohol I'm bringing it back. Why is alcohol cheaper in France? I guess with you buying bulk, I guess it is. And my dad was just like buying a load of wine and he looked up and he was like, all right, Clive, I don't know. And it was like someone from his office at work. He's like, what in France? What are you doing? Off the drunk people. I think you were telling me a story of this couple that was getting married and they were making a slideshow for their wedding. Yep. And they were going through photos and it was her at Disney World with her family.

Yeah. And then her fiance said, why do you have this picture of me and my family? And it turns out that he was in the background with his family of this photograph when they were very, very young. She was from Canada, he was from Florida. That is just weird. And also, the sheer timing of that is down to the seconds.

Like, if they'd walked by like five seconds before that wouldn't have happened. The probability of them being in the park and being each other's picture. On the same day, in the same year. Yeah, literally in the same... What's the sooner they were in the park? Like, then I would... And then you're narrowing it down to the same angle of one man in the same period of time. It's on the...

It's like that really blows my mind. That's pretty nuts. I had a pretty with, um, coincidental moment moment. I was this is before I came to America So at this point I knew I was coming to America to come to Rousse teeth So I thought what I'd do is listen to the old podcast that I was on so I didn't tell the same story I'm sorry, I know So I was listening to a podcast I was on where we were talking about the Halo 3 ODST live action commercial. I don't need even remember it where yeah, yeah, the guy drops down

It runs out and we were talking about a guy. I was listening to this on set because I was wait They were they were shooting outside and I I set up the phantom in in the studio. I was waiting for people to come in The phantom is Gavin is super high speed camera. So I was listening to a podcast We're talking about the guy who directed it. Yeah, uh, Rupert Sanders Rupert Sanders and The next person that walked into the studio came up to me and he's like, are you with a phantom? And I was like, yeah, it's like, okay, we're gonna shoot over here.

I'm Rupert, by the way. I was like, nice to meet you. He sat down in the director's chair of, this is Snow White and the Huntsman. He's the director of Snow White and the Huntsman. I literally heard his name in my ear and then within minutes, he's walking up to me and shaking my hand.

Really? Like, to me. I was just like What out of the sack like I haven't heard his name in probably three years and then when I do her's name I meet him instantly and you're listening to a podcast that you made in Austin Texas America Yeah, and you're back in London. Yeah, this is in London. He's from e-English See them the next day. I think there's something to that. I think there's there's some kind of level of connection that we don't really know. We talked about it a long time ago. Like in my life there's been a lot of

times where it's like I think about a song and I turn the rate on the songs on the radio. Yeah I like you learn a word and you instantly hear the word used. All the time. Like I remember noting that with like a buzzman or something like a word I never heard. I just swear everywhere. I've just been blocking out this word. In that instance I could believe that. Yeah. Yeah. If you're not aware of the word and then you become aware of it, then you suddenly see it everywhere. Yeah. There's a way. Well, I also wonder too if there's like a very common word just by probability that you've just never heard. You've never heard it in context. You've never heard anyone say it. And it's a word that everybody knows, but just by probability that you've just never heard you've never heard it in context you've never heard anyone say it and it's a word that everybody knows but

just by probability you've just never experienced it. I said I said I said I'm I said to my friend I said I'm just getting second-wind you know like when you get second best advantage you was like someone else said that to me yesterday I mean he's never heard it before but he just somehow made it like 23 years without ever getting up. Someone's fit the TV yesterday. He's like, I guess it's a popular phrase. It's really funny.

Yes, it's a show on BBC, secondly. Gone with the second wind. I mean, I wonder like a world event that you somehow were on vacation and it was I'm that could definitely happen now or something major happens Yeah, we talked about this on a podcast before yeah, yeah, yeah, or you know, it's your podcast and you missed a Stride, I remember that podcast Gus you were saying that you missed the Apple switch to Intel. Yeah, yeah, of course this is something like I was like yeah, it was a casual. What the fuck are you talking about? Everyone's like yeah, it was a casual. What the fuck are you talking about? There was a big event in Austin this week that I missed entirely that everyone's talking about which apparently I guess tonight to go there was a massive storm that

Power outages and everything like that no idea. I didn't hear it. I slept do the whole thing It was a lot started really late though, so I understand. Yeah, sorry like a one in the morning I thought I don't know why but I thought you were gonna say this And then you laugh at me. There was a more gallons Convention in Austin. Oh my god. We do and I thought you were gonna say that that's what you missed Because I just heard about it on Monday. They were like yeah, there's more gallons and that's like the skin scraping thing Right, but we could find like bits of the wire Yeah, fibers

Yeah, this is no idea what this is. I like really, I like... One of the things I really like about the internet is that people who are normally alone like very isolated find other people like themselves. Yeah. And there's this thing called more gellens, which we've talked about a few times. Yeah, let's do it three times. They're trying to figure out what it is. And I think they just released a study where they officially said it's not a physical thing.

They didn't go so far as I say it's like a mental condition, but it's people who believe they have something living under their skin, something foreign, and they, it produces fibers which come out of their skin. Okay. And it's been described as like even like small tiny bugs, but there's even like this weird kind of like undercurrent of it might be alien because people have had their fibers analyzed by the looking university in there, not an element ever seen on earth before. You know strange but it's people who believe there's genuinely something they all genuinely have found each other and feel like they're all suffering from

some collective thing and they had a convention. That amazes me about just humans in general how like you could think of the weirdest condition or weirdest thing and there's always going to be tons of people who have the same thing no there's always going to be tons of people who have the same thing no matter how weird it is. They didn't know that they had like stinky sneezes. They do, they do. Exactly.

If there's a stinky sneeze. Oh, gross. I just looked at Gus' life hat. More gallons. I said, Gus. Oh my God. No. Well, that's what they, they, they, they, they scratch themselves.

What is, I don't think you remember being gross. Well, I don't remember. I never mind this one gross stuff. I didn't look at it. Yeah. Tell it on a safe set. Oh being gross? Oh, I don't remember my this one gross stuff I Yeah, tell on safe said Oh gross. Yeah, that's not what I associate with more gallon Do you have like little red marks on them where they've they've extracted these things these? Yeah, this is more like it that kind of reminds me of them and the fiber

And the fiber is being re-doubted about the fibers fibers. Yeah, no, I'm not gonna This one doesn't gross. Well in pretty gross They're freaked out about the fibers fibers. Yeah, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,, oh drive each other crazy Right, or knit a sweater the thing is to cover up. That's the big thing They're always it like because like everyone's denying that it's even a sweater. Yeah, that sweater's never been seen on earth Warmest sweater known to man It reflects Speaking of like alien stuff. Have you seen the Prometheus trailer? Yeah, no pretty awesome. I was not excited. I know people kept talking about it and everyone was you know super excited about it and I What is this? I did not go to my way to watch it like I had to get dragged into you're off. Yeah, I mean I'm not a big Computer to watch a big trailer. I think trailers are waste of time and they just spoil stuff constantly. It's the

Prequel to alien. Did you ever see alien? Yeah, it's the prequel It looks prequel and you can in the trailer you can see stuff from alien Like I don't know if you remember anything that well, but they they discover like a giant dude in a massive gun Who's dead? Yeah, and it's called the space jockey. Yeah, the base jockey Yeah, and that was like I think I broke a record at the time for being one of the most expensive sets to build It's going to be a river in the movie. No, not that I know of. Has she aged backwards? But anyway, in the trailer, you see that ship crashing, and you see that guy in the space jump.

Very cool. And it's like, I really want to watch this. I want to see how he got there. PURIS are pretty upset about it, because the guy that originally wrote the original script is it Ed O'Bannon or Dan O'Bannon? It's one of the O'Bannon brothers. Dan. Dan O'Bannon? So he's dead, and he of the O'Bannon brothers. Stan. Daniel Bannon

He's dead and he never wrote the story. Oh, he's dead. Yeah, when did he die? I can look it up because I'm pretty sure he was on the commentary for Dan he died I think in the last couple years. Yeah, no Bannon dead You're so dreamy Gavin. Daniel Bannon dies screenwriter of alien dies at 63 he died in 2009 Yeah, I guess I'm bird 19. I guess they did the director's cut of Alien DVD much before that. Yeah, because he was on the commentary, but the trailer was awesome. Yeah, it was. It was really incredible.

He actually, the reason I know him and his work is he wrote a very low budget sci-fi movie in the 70s that is a huge influence of a reverse blue. Really? We've've called Dark Star. I've definitely talked about that before. Yeah. So if you can find a copy of Dark Star, it's very, I mean, it's, you know, it's a little budget sci-fi. I love sci-fi.

I love like off kind of the beaten path sci-fi. What? Primer. Like Primer and like, um, Syracits? Did you ever see that? You know who makes great sci-fi? Two guys you don't associate as being sci-fi people? Bruce Willis makes awesome sci-fi and Denzel Washington.

Those two guys, if they're in a sci-fi movie, it's an awesome movie. I don't know why those guys make so much sci-fi stuff. Like Deja Vu. Or probably my favorite Denzel Washington one is Book of Eli. I don't know. You haven't seen Book of Eli. You're going to consider that sci-fi. I would consider that sci-fi. I don't think I would. Maybe haven't seen Book of Eli. You're gonna consider that side fight? I would consider that side fight.

I don't think I would. Maybe you're thinking of it for the post-pocalypse angle. Yeah. I mean, what else would you classify it as? Action... Action drama? I don't know. I mean, it's a side, would you consider Mad Max to be sci-fi? That's a tough one. And it's very Mad Max, I should right? My reflex is to say yes. But then for the same argument I'd choose Book of Eli, I would say no. Like, if Book of Eli had been set 10 years further into the apocalypse, probably would be sad.

Right. But it's too close, I guess. Pre sci-fi. I like it kind of when you think something is a normal, like real world story, and then it becomes sci-fi. Like something totally random happens. Yes. Like Matrix?

Yeah. Like Matrix. Yeah. Like Lost. Yeah, I guess. And it's Matrix is a big left turn. Spoiler. But what do people think they were watching when they watched the Matrix? I had no idea. I went into the Matrix totally blind and just, and you thought it was awesome right?

And you can't hear any kind of Roos movie for all I knew. I said down, I was like, that was fucking awesome. Yeah. I had no idea that Keanu Reeves was like kind of a joke actor. Because Matrix was the first movie I saw him in and I was like this guy's pretty cool And there's all these other movies that these are awful you know the original casting For Matrix was not Keanu Reeves and Lawrence Fishburn as Morpheus the original casting was Will Smith as Nio And he turned it down to do Wild West or

Wild West. Yeah, who's gonna be more fierce Val Kilmer? I don't know I can't see well I can see we'll Smith through and I don't know about Well, what's Smith is I like was Smith I can imagine him in that role is he always does comedy stuff there Like what was what does he do serious? I stuff there. Like what what does he do the serious pufferies? I am legend. I am legend. What's hilarious. I watched I watched I'm legend while I was on morphine. It really tricked me out. I watched that movie alone at night. It was terrifying. What did you really? I never bought it because the CG enemy. Yeah wait. Yeah. I'm just really I just really creeped out by like zombie type things like while there was tated humans that freaks me out well you

you know about Kimberlake's awesome just just set me a picture camera cameras put on a couple pounds god bless him you know but so is Lord's Fishburnt. So is everyone everyone's everyone's getting older. Lord's Fishburnt put on some weight and he actually referenced it in a movie I forget it was it was some spine movie where he was like one of the guys from the government sitting around the table he was like the the where he was like one of the guys from the government sitting around the table. He was like the the field. Was it in the mission possible movie? Was it mission possible? He was. He played that role. It was. Yeah. And somebody said like, I

don't think that's the case. He goes, no, no, no, two or something. Three or three. And Lawrence Fishbird. He goes, I would like to believe that's not true. And Lawrence Fishbird is lying to us. Well, I'd like to leave the chocolate doesn't make you fat, but I've eaten my share and guess what? What's a weird reference that he was heavier in that part. But yeah, that's a cool one. I also read that Sean Connery turned down the role of the architect in second, well, that whatever that. He said he couldn't understand it.

It wasn't smart enough to have that role. I don't even know what movie you're talking about. The Matrix. The Architect. Oh, I thought the movie The Architect. So he turned down the Architects on the screen. I was still talking about the Matrix. Sorry.

Those casting things we do is here about them though. It's like, casting is really important because if you cast the wrong person, I mean, it completely changes the movie. And a lot of times movies get into production based on who's attached to it Like you have to have somebody attached so you go for whoever you can get just so you can get the movie greenlit and start moving on it And then you know the project at some point falls apart and then they add somebody in and sometimes that works out in your favor Did you guys see the gray the Liam Neeson movie? No, no, not yet. Okay, so the gray it's essentially so taken probably right?

I love that maybe you should go see the fucking gray then, because it's like, It'll be on screen, you know. Bad ass, bad ass Liam Neeson in action. But originally, the producer said this at the screening, the person who originally cast the role for Liam Neeson in the gray was Bradley Cooper. That's who was on the project from with him. He's the dude from the hangover.

Yeah, that seems like a polar opposite. Totally, you can't imagine the movie, those two people being cast, totally if you can't imagine the movie Those two people being cats even if you haven't seen the movie those are too totally I hate seeing that guy's face You hate Bradley Cooper. I don't hate him. He's fine. This anybody's face. I don't like Pointy features. No, I don't know. He was then the first thing I saw him was wedding crash. I saw him in alias I was gonna say alias. Yeah, that's right. I remember him as well. Did you ever see that movie where the body takes that pill and it's like Makes it good. Oh, yeah, I was gonna say unlimited Yeah, I Extended edition the Adderall commercial I

Watch that movie on a TV that has like the really fast frame rate. Mm-hmm. So it just completely Freak me out. That's the worst thing happened to TV It looks like a really big set of like 244 yards. And then when you're watching that movie on it, it's like you're taking the pill yourself. Well, if you don't like that aesthetic, you kind of have to get used to it because all the major filmmakers are moving towards higher frame rates. Yeah, but it's not the same thing. The 244 yards is just how many times it refreshes the image.

You can refresh the same frame five times. It looks fine But but that doesn't make much of a difference Yeah, but I'm saying that there's more frames per second like yeah, but that's the different thing That's like creating like at the moment some TVs will create frames in between other frames Well, they're different with that, but that's not the same thing as the that's the worst Refarsher for me. Yeah, but this TV is when it interpolates that movement Yeah, and you're to send up with like blurry frames Yeah, what like what it is when it interpolates that movement. Yeah, and you're to send up with like blurry frames.

Yeah, like everything looks like videos. I should I should have the TV that does that and you should play Replayed reach on it. It freaked me out. Well, it's just too smooth. Well, yeah, when you turn it's like super smooth and it's just it's Freaky. It's really weird. I play a lot of games on a on my while I used to I don't have it here anymore But the my I've got a hundred inch screen and a projector, and you can actually take, you can do that in between frame stuff, but you can also go the other way and just make it super responsive, because when you do in between frame stuff, there's always a delay. A little lag. Yeah, so you can have it, so it's like literally doing nothing, and that's how I play

on my games, and it's awesome. I see, I've gone the complete opposite way, because I have a projector in my house too, and I have a screen that's I think 118 inches nice essentially what it is nice and when you first thought you're like well no wonder you can be good at Halo if you like first I'm not good at Halo. Yeah, no, it's not the case and now I'm back at the point right I prefer to play on a small monitor and like be right there on top of it Yeah, so you're playing on a tiny ass dinex and it's game. It's like, it's like, it's like an 11 inch display. It's not good enough. I'm totally fine. Yeah, I'm totally fine with it.

I tried to play guitar on your screen once, and you have your Xbox, but the front, so I had the cable in, and I couldn't get far enough away from the screen. I was like, leaning back and all these closer, and I was like, I'm gonna throw up. You know, I don't know why I'm thinking about this. I think it's because you were talking about Prometheus.

I, you know, I listened to the Steve Jobs biography when we had the, when I, when we did the audible sponsorship. Yeah. I was talking about it. And, you know, they Apple had that famous 1984 commercial that was directed by Ridley Scott. And what I didn't know what I found out in the book was there was another commercial that they did the following year in 1985. Oh, it was a big flop. It was directed by Tony Scott, because I guess they couldn't get Ridley Scott. Really? Who's Tony Scott? Ridley Scott's brother. Yeah. I went to it with Jake Scott, who is Ridley Scott's son. What's the

pad to get to Tony Scott? Is it Ridley Scott? Been Michael Mann? Then Tony Scott? I was so happy about the pad for the Ugo. It's just so weird, but yeah, it was a huge flop. I'd never heard of it. That's the one where people are like walking off the edge of a cliff. Right. And it was advertising office. was it office or something not office but like so the death of the PC there was supposed to be a funeral or so it was like looming yeah yeah it's and that was a super bowl ad that just was like nobody should about it yeah that's not any of where that's like considered one of the best ads of all time I can't really see why like

well you know it's in Okay. Looks similar. And that's the girl. You're swinging the hammer into the big creation. You don't get it. You should look at some of the other Super Bowl commercials from that year. I think that'll really put it in perspective for you. What would you say is your favorite commercial of all time? I don't even know what the company does.

It's coming called EDS. And there's an expression in business when something's difficult and you're trying to get a lot of moving parts together It's like hurting cats. Yeah, and they did the cat herders. That's a good one. That was somehow not surprised that this commercial involves cats Yeah, I don't know I guess this is my cat offended. Well, they're actually cats in it. Oh, yeah There's a herd of cats like these like guys who heard cattle they're driving like hell boys. Yeah I once did a shoot in IKEA at night in London and they unleashed 300 cats into an IKEA and we just filmed where they went I've seen that commercial. It's funny that you say that because my favorite commercial is an IKEA commercial It's the one with the lamp where it's like some of you may feel sorry for this lamp

That's good. You'll see a little just a lamp. It has no feelings I haven't seen it Best commercial The first party shot so well you feel so bad for this lamp. And it's like, you're like, oh, the premise of the commercial is that someone has this lamp and then they replace it with an Ikea lamp and put the old one outside. And it's like raining and dark and it's like looking up at the new lamp and it's like, oh, and then some guy shows up and he's like, some of you may feel sorry for this lamp.

There's a catcher stupid. There's another commercial that Gavin worked on. I don't know, I don't think it's my favorite commercial But it's just so ridiculous that I love it. It's the throwing pies at throwing tiny pies at flies. Yeah, that's for a Samsung phone It's like can't you fix up cool? If you could fix all your balls by throwing pies in it Throwing like tiny little pies at bugs. That was a long shoot. It's like a four-day shoot You haven't lived until you've thrown a pie at a fly. Have you ever done a really long stint of long days? My longest shoot was a Bacardi commercial. It was six days and each day was at least like 15 hours long.

Have you ever done that in a row? When we did episode 50, I remember that we bought that couch, that's when we were still working your, working out of your house. We bought a couch for your room because we worked. I think like, I want to say five days straight and just occasionally taking naps on the couch. What was that? It was on first season eight.

For season eight, when we were finishing for the DVD with all the animation, we rented hotel rooms across the street from our office so that we, because we were just working around the clock and we just go over there Was that for the crash? Okay, we have a season eight. Yeah, and but after that That long stint I think it was like 12 or 15 hour days leading up and then like a final day Which is like 18 hours and I got in on Friday night about 2 a.m. And I woke up at 4 a.m on Sunday.

That's impossible. I mean, this is like 46 hours. I slept 26 hours. There's one day in my life that I just wasn't able. Oh, you went over, I see what you're saying. Oh, wow. That's crazy. I've had that in my life too,

where there was one weekend where I figured out I slept 36 hours in one weekend. Wow. I slept through a Saturday. But I didn't realize the human body could even sleep that long. That's just weird to miss an entire day of your life. Yeah, there's one day that I just wasn't there for. Maybe that was the day that that event happened

that we're talking about that you missed. You just went through it. And I could tell you something, I don't think I've ever been more confused in my life. Like I could figure it out. I was like, did I sleep for two hours? What the what? What? I couldn't figure it out. And I'm, did I sleep for two hours? What the what?

Can you figure it out? I can't imagine that it was really weird. It's a bit that meme of Robin Williams waking up where he is. What year is it? Have you seen that? What's that from Jumanji? What's that from Jumanji? Jumanji. What is happening to me? Here you are, here I said the layup guy. Here I'll have a seat when I can play it.

Oh my god. Where you can hear it. I'm going to try to play this over my speakers here. I hope it's the right one. Now I can play that. Now I can play that. Now I can play that for this love. That's because you're crazy. It's because of the feelings and the new one is much better.

Was that guy in Big Lebowski? Yeah, he was more of a diolist. He was like a young Bruno. We're not really, we're usually red. Somewhere a weird fact about the Big Lebowski that in the original draft of the script that the dude can live by himself and he gets all of his income because he inherited the his dad was the guy who invented the ruby cube so he inherited the rights to the ruby cube and that's how he had all

his money to live. Where did that come from? I don't know it was on IMDB and I think I must have read it on Reddit probably. So that was just like an unmentioned part of the story. They probably mentioned the commentary or something yeah. Maybe they couldn't get the rights. They probably mentioned the commentary or something. Maybe they couldn't get the rights to, which skewed something like that, I don't know. There's some really long takes in that movie. I just like long takes in movies.

Do you really? Like the shot at the end where like some guy balls and gets a strike and then like the camera moves over and there's like a really long dialogue. And then the camera moves back to the same behind he like balls again. And gives him a strike? I don't know, I think they cut right before it hits, but it was really long shot. I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can, I can, I can't, I can, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can, I can't, I can, I can't, I can, second time, but... Okay. I'm holding him. I'm holding him. I need to be my guy.

It's a lot of fucking pressure. We talked about this on that Clive-Own movie, though. Imagine being like a guy like seven minutes into the take. And like, he's there, like, he's boldest strike. He's like, yes, action, basically. And he's there, like, go ahead. He's like, and he's like, they're watching like a five minute dialogue. Oh.

Oh, wow. They're doing great. And then he gets the ball again. I would just ruin the take to liberally. I'll be like, wait! It's where you got a professional actor. So have you guys kept up at all with walking dead? No. Gavin Barber, you went with me to the Alamo and we watched walking Dead. Yes, those are the only two episodes I've ever seen in my life. Ever!

Okay, I wasn't blown away by the show, but what I did like was watching a TV show with a lot of fun. Yeah, that is a lot of fun. That's an experience in itself. It's fun. It's a very slow show. The show had some bad-ass moments, but a lot of padding seemed... A lot of our long content on American TV is like that

I mean that you basically just described five or six seasons lost however long it was you know But walking that is cool because it goes kind of slow and then a fucking lot of stuff happens Yeah, yeah, a lot of stuff happens, but lost lost kind of Because it's flashbacks that's the padding. Yeah, it's kind of it takes you away from Sleowness it was two shows. Yeah. It felt like yeah, mumbled together. Has anyone ever cut the whole of lost into order, into chronological order? Like every scene, beginning to end. Really?

Yeah, I've heard of that in the beginning. Starting with the black and white guys. I can't even have black and white guys. Like the black smoke guy and the white Jacob guy. I still haven't seen lost, so. I thought you were talking about the Dharma issue. He's still haven't. I still haven a new lost so I thought you were talking about the Dharma issue I still have not seen last I thought you were talking about Dharma also

I would love to see the whole thing in order though in chronological order so how will it did you ever see that movie after you're done with Cabbage what I've finished my cabbages did you ever see Memento cut the right way like in order have you seen Memento? that's your head movie there's an easter egg on the DVD that lets you watch it in...

Chrono-Latric Chrono-Latric I imagine it's not your... How much co-ordering is really interesting. Is it as compelling? No, but it's very... It's a very linear, very straightforward. Yeah, but it's really interesting that everything actually works, like everything they thought of everything.

What's your favorite movie that's told out of order? Non-linear. I don't... I can't really think of any of that Yeah, one moment. Yeah, my mind's is pretty good. It's got to be Pulp fiction Yeah, I see Pulp fiction mine. Yeah, see that's one of those movies that I've seen the beginning of five times And I've never seen oh my god I'm gonna fucking strangly what turned you off like what made you stop watching Pulp fiction? I Can I don't know really I don't know I

If you don't like kind of buy into the style of it, I can see you drop it out. I like the style. I like to. I enjoyed the... You enjoy what I enjoy. You just can't finish it. It's one of those movies that you haven't had for me to just can't finish. No, I had to mass-effect the video game was like that for me. I was like, I had to start playing mass-effect three times. And every time I gave up, I was like, I'm going to play this fucking game. Because everyone talks about it. I played for three hours and locked me in.

And it's one of my favorite franchises. You know, we didn't mention it. They did something interesting with these achievements in Mass Effect 3, where you can get them in... I have it in my notes. You can get them... there's certain achievements you can get either in multiplayer or by completing a single player and seven missions. Mass Effect. I don't like that. I love it. I don't like I want to see an achievement on someone's thing. I want to know how they got it. I don't have to say, well did you do the real hard way or did you do the easy way? No, I see what you're saying. However, like, don't have

any survivor. No, other way I do that. I don't think that they should have achievements for multiplayer. But this is acceptable for multiplayer stuff. What? Because they should not have multiplayer achievements. Just have a rank in multiplayer is fine. You can say, I'm saying you would have no multiplayer achievements. I want no achievements in multiplayer, ever, no exceptions, ever. Maybe left for dead. Why?

I guess maybe. I don't know. Left for dead is a multiplayer game there, so you have to. It kind of, I mean, there's something that it's not, but left for dead really isn't a multiplayer game. It really is though. It really is though. It really is though. It really is though. It really is though Yeah, but it really is I Let me say some I do a lot better with those fucking bots than I do guys. I was awesome

They're awesome great. You just stay you so I can just shooting and you just stand back How much of a gamer you Barbara do you play a lot games? I know you play a lot Skyrim Yeah, yeah, I mean, I wouldn't say that I'm a gamer. I wouldn't classify myself as that. But I probably play more games in the average female. I would like to. Question mark. Question mark.

What about Esther? She doesn't really play very many games. Does she watch you play games? No, she uses her computer or does something else while I play. I also still need to work in games. My fucking hours into Mass Effect 3. I think I'm 27 hours into Mass Effect 3 now. No, really? I still haven't finished victory. I think I'm 27 hours in a massive victory now No, really I still haven't finished it. I think I'm getting close. I'm plugging along. I'm pretty close

I'm gonna finish up Skyrim and then play all the three states for a massive fact That's you don't finish up Skyrim. I will I'm gonna finish it. It's by the way finish means a thousand points. Okay, so I'm gonna do that So not like all the sidequests. I have played no no no Skyrim at all It's probably one of my favorite games really I don't feel it Something about those games I don't know what you doing about how you are surprisingly addicted to I know that was a Surprising part Yeah, but what are you doing? I know are you doing magic? What no warrior? Oh, well, that's that's your issue I did that in oblivion. It sucked you got to get the flaming hands going. I'm playing as a warrior

You suck That's why you were vampire for four days See me to spell you stand back and you'll ask a walk up to the vampire with a spike See the problem with this whole vampire thing you're gonna go back to it because it pissed me off is that you have to like to Care vampirism you have to find this guy who then gives you a potion But once you're like a full vampire. He'll just try to kill youirism, you have to find this guy who then gives you a potion, but once you're like a full vampire, he'll just try to kill you every time you go up to it.

So it's impossible. So what do you have to be a way to do it? You have to join the thieves guild because they won't kill you no matter what because they're like your bros. So you have to go down there and find someone who's sleeping and then suck their blood. But what? So you betray the people who trust you? Yeah, well that's the only thing you,

I literally tried to cure vampirism for four days of my real life. How does sucking blood make you not a vampire? Like I just like, like... Does it make you more of a vampire? I don't know how it works. Can you go out in the sun? Don't you have like sun damage? You can go out in the sun, but like yeah,

you just don't replenish your health as quick. That's like being in Canadian. Exactly. You used to that. There's a problem... There's a problem. There's a problem in Skyrim where you can mess up achievements enough to play the game again. And back, I've heard of that happening.

It is a nightmare. There's one achievement for collecting 15 daydrick artifacts or something, but Michael was telling me you have to have them all at the same time. So if you get one in flog it to someone, sell it to someone. I like that. I like that look on your face. I just have, I monitor a reaction for words. Everyone was just kinda like, if you sound like whips,

someone would be like, yeah, it's when it's vlogging with you. Vlogger dead horse. Yeah, if you sound like someone or if you lose it, you can't get that treatment. You have to play it again. Something I like to you now is I like to talk to Gavin on aim and make up American sign words.

So see if you'll start using them. What was the one you used to use today? Shlim. Play it again. Something I like to do now is I like to talk to Gavin on aim and make up American slang words. So see if you'll start using them. What was the one you used to say? Shlim. Shlim. You're like, podcast tomorrow. Be ready.

Right. Shlim. Righty little slim. It sounds like someone British trying to make up American slang. I'm going to take that. Gavin, when he and I used to talk on Skype, he used to look up really, really dirty words that I wouldn't know. And he would make me read the definition out loud in my Skype.

And he would just sit there giggling like an idiot. Turn off his camera. Yeah, exactly. You fucking spoke about how you treated that. I've just broken my phone. Oh yeah, you got your swipe thing halfway down. So one thing I'm at one time, Siri, fix this. So a massive like three, another thing though that they do, which drives me a little

nuts, is, and this has been in almost every single one of the massive games, there's literally an achievement for beat the game twice which okay come on wait wait the way they do it isn't it beat the game twice or beat the game with an imported character yes so if you beat the game with an imported character you're fine I guess so I did Mass Effect 2 twice and I'm glad I did because I did it paragone and then I think I did it I think I finished Mass Effect 2 4 times Mass Effect I think I played that game four times as well. That's that one. Did you have to? There was, because I, my OCD trying to get those all 100% of the achievements. There's six achievements that are like use this guy for the majority of your missions. Use the squad member. I of course didn't discover that. I'll have

with you the first play. And then there's six people in the game that you can bring with you. So I can only get two of them in each play through. Do you always play as male shepherd? Yeah and you know what? You want to talk about cloud services and do we I you know I'm the biggest proponent of cloud services I lost my fucking gamer card as a result that so I don't know I have no idea what you lost to a game of God I have my my little dongle. Oh my memory stick. I have no idea where it is that's a real time to go turd dongle thank you it's a shling part of the dongle man he's on your key ring yeah I literally have no idea where it is yeah one of your fingers well now I have cloud so I

would have had it on the cloud but I never thought to move my mass effect to save to the cloud oh yeah so I don't know where my mass effect I have clouds so I would have had it on the cloud but I never thought to move my Mass Effect 2 save to the cloud. Oh yeah so I don't know where my Mass Effect 2 save is so I'm gonna have to play twice because I couldn't import my character. Awful. Yeah that's okay. But I'll tell you what now playing I just said fucking I'm gonna play with the iconic what they call the iconic shepherd which the default one the game seems totally foreign to me now. Yeah I don't identify with that character. It's really how that works. Wait which character? The default shepherd.

The iconic shepherd. The one who's on the cover. You didn't use him. No, I used him now. I didn't use him for my first two playthroughs. Who did you use? I customized the guy. Did you customize different ones for each game?

No, I used pretty much the same guy. Just really, really. It's weird, because that's shepard to me. Like, I can't, that's the guy. His voice, like, his voice. That voice coming out of that face is like, I'm like, this is wrong. out of that face is like does I'm like this is wrong this is wrong yeah I fucking do a helmet on the guy I play

as a fan chef I played as a female shepherd and Mass Effect 2 when I did some achievement hunter walkthroughs I did somehow make it look like she had like holes in a house you can see your ass cheeks oh really how did you that I don't remember it it was so long ago So I and the it seems like they've toned down the sex stuff a little bit in this massive Yeah, I thought it was gay stuff the instantly cut away now. It's like instant black spirit But there's like you can do gay stuff now, right? Yeah, I heard that I think you could do that too as well Can't you I wonder how many games you can be a homosexual in I think I'm if I recall correctly, I'm pretty sure I ran into a gay character. In three? Yes.

Yes. Someone on the ship. Yes. Yes. Yeah. Okay, I just ran it. We're like just on my own. I ran into a gay character. Yes.

Did you see the vote that they had from aspect three of what Fem Ship would look like? Yes. Did you see the default characters that they had? Yes. Did you see the default characters that they had? Yes. I had about 10 to 20 different people message me saying, is this modeled after you? Really? Oh, she looks like you. Yeah, one of them looks so. So why do they change femme-shep? On the, one now they have like a default one that they'll use for marketing. Like, I don't know if you've looked at your Mass Effect 3 game, but if you take the sleeve out of the case, you can reverse it

so that you can have a version of the cover that has female shepherd take the sleeve out of the case, you can reverse it so that you can have a version of the cover that has female shepherd on the cover instead of male shepherd. But they must have a default femship all along? No, but they never used her for marketing purposes. Okay. Like now they actually use her and they have, they can put, they put her out there. Oh wow. Yeah.

Okay. Like that's the default female version. Like I think before it was just like she was an afterthought. I like a voice of femship. I don't know who does it, but I have always liked the voice and I'm assuming it's the same female version. I think before it was just like she was an afterthought. I like a voice of them, Chef. I don't know who does it, but I always like the voice. And I'm assuming it's the same actor, a spare time. Between Mass Effect One, you could then make a new

Chef of Mass Effect Two. And the story behind that was that you were like smashed up and rebuilt or something like that. Right, so fucking awesome. But what was the, how could you do it between two and three? Was there anything like that? I don't know, I couldn't import my character. Well, if you import your character, you don't.

No, they really don't do anything like that. Like it says, I thought that was cool, a good way to transition. There's also awesome intro to it. Fucking game. There was a big choice for... Jennifer Hale, let's finish it. In Mass Effect, the original, Mass Effect 1. There was a big choice you made of letting someone die and letting someone live.

Can I spoil a 8-year-old game? Mass Effect 1 or 2? Original Mass Effect 1, there was a big choice you made of letting someone die and letting someone live. Can I spoil a 8-year-old game? Mass Effect 1 or 2? Original Mass Effect. And that cascaded through all the ones. So when I made a new character, it just said, who do you want to die? This person is this person. Literally just asked me that at the point. And so I just picked the person that I let.

There are so many fucking choices in 3 that have been impacted by 1 and 2. I felt like there were some hooks in 2 going back to one, but now three is just like, why the fuck did I do that? Why the fuck is this screwed up like this? Did you say everyone in the end of two? Yeah. Okay, so here's my deal too, as well, which concern me, which is,

if you're gonna do those hooks, you know what they should do? They should tie into the achievements, because those are locked in records. Like I got an achievement for saving everybody in the Suicide mission. It was effective. I hope we're not spoiling that's effective. No, it's been a while. Yeah, I have an achievement. So I know as I did that, but I did that in my first playthrough That I did the perfect run and then we back and played another run through to get like this do these sidequests and all that other stuff I did I did the pickup achievements So that was my second run through. That's my final save is with the where I didn't save everybody I didn't

care. So would those people be dead? I think you can see the different when you when you start the game it asks you which save you want to. Yeah, and then it lists the list of the different ones. It lists like you this happen this happen you said no to this you could this guy died. Fuck it up. Okay. It's pretty awesome. Yeah, like there's some stuff that happened. There's some characters that are dead now in my mass effect run through that I'm doing now. I know I saved them. I didn't like the characters I like. Oh, fucker. Dead. I like that guy. I managed to somehow I played the first first playthrough. I saved everyone. Yeah, it's probably complete. I didn't realize that it was like

Yeah, I just really have an issue. It's like how do I say this person? Like, I guess like, very lucky. Yeah, like, I sent that person over there and they didn't die. Like, I kind of have absolutely made an achievement 100 video for it because I thought it was so easy. Yeah, like I thought everyone did. I thought you had to be stupid enough to do it. So you know that like, how'd you go? It's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Don't do this and yeah, you say everyone, duh. Well, you had to run all the loyalty missions. Yeah, that's playing the game though. No, I get it, I get it. But not everybody does every single mission. A lot of people just go where they're told to go I guess not yeah, I mean it's like what nine people in Mass Effect 2 I thought I was more than that screen is big game definitely has the best sense of management that I've ever had in any game Like I felt like I was in charge of that ship. I felt like whenever I walked in I was like

You know, you can be you always build up to like the top of any game. You can play the game by the head of the mage's guild or all this stuff. But you never really get a sense that you're in charge. It's just like, people will just refer to you as the main guy. Yeah. In Mass Effect 2, I was like, I have so much power over this ship. Yeah, it's true, because when I go meet people, like on the Citadel, I meet them and they go, oh, are you shepherd? What's it not to meet you? And I'm like, fuck yeah! Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But you had that one when you first play it you you're because you're complaining about a guy

Who is to talk into you like you're a no? Yeah, you're like who do you think you are? You're the last two games Yeah Wait, so in the new characters is like be real flip it. I was like what the fuck is this guy? I guess you know what I did Hey, how are you know what I did? I was like, yeah. Hey, how are you enjoying your fucking Galaxy?

I say the twice mother fucker. It's like, you've got muscles. I killed the reapers, hello. I hate that when a character shows up that they don't intro. The James guy, there was an intro form, right? That's what was pissing me off. Yeah. I mean, I get it from an narrative.

It's like you jump in, it's like time has passed. I'm like, yeah, who's this fucking muscle bound Jersey? You always get mad at me because like you criticize the way I play once because whenever I pick up a big weapon My the first thing I do is use it immediately like I fucking maniac. I never like I use it on the next time you see I'm like shooting so there was like gun and mass fact the Some M like cane. It was like a big, massive, like exploding thing. Yeah. So I played like you in one play three,

I was like, I'm gonna save this for the big human repafight at the end. So I had like two ammo for it or whatever. So I get to the fight. I just, it takes a long time to shout it, it's like, Pfft, straight over his shoulder.

I missed completely, and then I was screwed. I just like use my regular gun. That's why you test it. Well, that's why I just, the first time I was screwed. I just used my regular console. That's why you test it. Well, that's why I just, the first time I see a big gun, I'll use it. He just used that. I think we need,

We probably need a wrap up. I think you have a meeting. You need to hit, I do, but I'm okay. I think you need to get, I also have a meeting I need to get to. Well, we can get out of here. We'll stop it.

You'll stop it? Yeah, you know, it is. Tell him I'm stopping. Because I want to talk to Gavin about a couple things. I get that button to stop it. You're in charge. You're in charge. You pointed at the play button. They're both work. So Doom, do you agree the Doom ruin and Quake ruin

Weapon usage for you to where you save your rocket launchers. I always say I can't use them. I have I use them. I go. I go. Use it on the next guy you see the ride. There was a rocket launcher and a BFG. BFG would kill everything in the room. What? BFG. It's fucking kill everything in the room what BFG It's fucking guns. That's okay. Yeah, and zoom in doom and I don't think it was quick But yeah, doom ahead the BFG you got that thing and you just like never fucking use it because if you use it You'd like I know I'm gonna need it for a big box or something like that I'm gonna have to have it and you it's like in reach you get the target locator and you use it on grunts

it's like in reach you get the target locator and you use it and you use it, I just got to use it, it's got two uses and you're like I just got to use it and you're like oh it's a grunt fucking kill him it's like a hammer of dawn and it gives a lot I was like a little krill or what, what are those things called? the wretches yeah you would use it to open doors I don't know what it'd be, I want to know what the fucking hammer of dawn it's great, it's games are much more fun that what it'd be, I don't know what it'd be, I don't know what it'd be, I don't know what it'd be, I don't know what it'd be, I don't know what it'd be, I don't know what it'd be, I don't know what it'd be, I don't know what it'd be, I don't know what it'd be, I don't know what it'd be, I don't know what it'd be, I don't know what it'd be, I don't know what it'd be, I don't know what it'd be, I don't know what it'd be, I don't know what it'd be, I don't know what it'd be, I don't know what it'd be, I don't know what it'd be, I don't know what it'd be, I don't know what it'd be, I don't know what it'd be, I don't know what it'd be, I don't know what it'd be, I don't know what it'd be, I don't know what it'd be, I don't know what it'd be, I don't know what it'd be, I don't know what it'd be, I don't know what it'd be, I don't know what it'd be, I don't know what it'd be, I don't know what it'd be, I don't know what it'd be, I don't know what it'd be, I don't know what it'd be, I don't know what it'd be, I don't know what it'd be, I don't know what it'd be, I don't know what it'd be, I don't know what it'd be, I don't know what it'd be, I don't know what it'd be, I don't know what it'd be, I don't know what it'd be, I don't know what it'd be, I don't know what it'd be, I don't place them where they want you to use them essentially. Yeah. Yeah. It's like when you wait, there's like a backspinning where you're playing and you get to a room, a wide open room with a lot of short barriers,

like, shit's about to go back on. Something's about to happen right now. I want to make a video for Achievement Hunter called The Biggest Guns on the Smallest Enemies. It's just a compilation of me using where it did kill usly ever-powered weapons on the smallest thing. Oh, you can do that. You can use the BFG on the imps. That'll be a huge honor. I Marines and Doom. It's also like in Skyrim not to bring it up again But I just love that game when you like know that there's a boss coming up You could tell because there's a lot of potions around yeah and different like weapons that you know You're gonna need to use so you're just like if I open that door and then turn around and use it on a rabbit A wolf

Future highest spell on them. So there's a thing in Mass Effect 3 that drives me a little nuts and it's not anything to do. It's not a big deal. But in every game, it seems like these things will get killed in testing and there might be some loading going on behind the screen that I can't see. But there's always like an animation that you play, the first time you see it, it's cool. But then you see that fucking animation like 15 times on hour and you're like Let me skip this goddamn animation, please and it's always a very short animation

But even no matter how short it is you have to like it's like I want to when I walk through a door in a game I want to press a the door opens I don't want to see me reach to the handle. I gather that I can take I can take that for granted that he reached over and open the door If I've got a gun up and I press a in the door just goes Pink is open totally fine with it because if it's a game where you walk and opened the door. If I've got a gun up and I press A in the door just goes, ping, ping is open. Totally fine with it. Because if it's a game where you walkunk on the screen, that's it. It's like 30 seconds every time you do like just cut fucking animals. Oh my god, dickhead.

And they built into games where you can skip that kind of thing. The Hitman games. Did you play Hitman? You can kill people. You can change into their clothes. There's a full animation where you bend down. You can just press A. And it's just like, BOOP.

Yeah, perfect. Perfect. You know, You watch it a few times him getting the clothes off, putting his clothes on. You like games to work at your attention span? Yeah, so and that is the attention span of the grape. And like in St. John 3 they have a way where you can you steal a car, all right, you can just dive into the windshield and that's it. And that is the worst, worst mechanic in every grand theft auto game There's ever been is press trying a triangle press why near a car the car just pulling away and just end up jogging alongside the car for like you Do that infinitely get in the car I don't want to have to sprint and catch up with the car or stand in front of it and then walk it just

But there's a fine line. I mean, people enjoy video games for, you know, the animation sequences. Yeah, but they don't enjoy games for the realism. Like, there's no, like in GTA, if you had to walk, if you had to like hit, you know, tap the buttons, otherwise you'll trip. Too realistic, nobody wants that in a video game. Right, abstract some parts of it.

Nobody wants crop in Grand Theft Auto. I used to play the ultimate games, which were like Skyrim of my day. You had to have fucking food. You had to buy food. And it was like, and if you, you'd watch your food, it would just click down like your party would eat or whatever and you're like, oh, I got 150 food. Fucking dumb.

So you're focused on always finding food and eating food rather than just like, oh, buy food as a fucking store. It's like, I don't want to buy food. Like the Sims. Yes. Exactly. They could really make, like they could combine the Sims and Grand Theft or into like a real world simulator

where you have to abide by the traffic laws. I'm like, oh, there's a store on the left to pop in and get some, get some steak. Can I get? And you end up just thinking, like you end up like in the Sims working out. But working out, you watch the bar go up. It's like, you speed up times that work.

And then often like five hours of doing that, you're like, wait a second, I can actually be working out for real. Why do I still work on doing anything? Why do you have a better life than I do? I love Gavin's impression of a Sim working out. I know, I work in the house. 80's heroic video. It looks really funny, sped up three times.

Yeah, every time. Every time you finish a movie, you're like, I'm not going to be a fan of you. I'm not going to be a fan of you. I'm not going to be a fan of you. I'm not going to be a fan of you. I'm not going to be a fan of you. I'm not going to be a fan of you. I'm not going to be a fan of you. I'm not going to be a fan of you. It looks really funny, sped up free time. Yeah, every time. Every time you finish a mission in Mass Effect 3, and there's a lot of missions every time.

You go back to the same war room, you go back to the same hollow projector, and you have a scene conversation. Which is part of Mass Effect, you have a conversation to get information. It's well written. As soon as you're done with that You have to walk across this room then you walk into an empty room. It's fucking empty There's nothing in it. There's a table conference table No one is ever at the conference table you walk through that room and then you walk to a checkpoint where your body gets scanned Like there's a little scanner that goes back and forth across you and there's these two Mother fucking soldiers in there to have a conversation every time you walked in there you must see it 70 80 times every mission every fucking mission that's bad

It's the same conversation each time no, it's a different conversation. They're great about that So with like there's like things that progress actually I'm gonna say that's what I mentioned stuff in the plot exactly. Yeah, that's good. I like that. No, no You I hope the end of the game is like you have to save the galaxy by throwing those two mother fuckers into a star We need something to plug this black hole Exactly the thing load those two mother fuckers up in the two teams. They're going out God, can you still do the mining for ore in a myspectrile? They have they have simplified that greatly. I really like I actually enjoy and I like to sound it makes when you launch a project like

They sell the prox. Yes Yeah, they have that and there's a really cool sound they added now where the scanning is different you scan Instead of scanning on the planet. Yeah, you scan on the solar system map and that's how you find things Like before you go into planet and then you'd like it would tell you the planet is rich or poor and you wouldn't pour you like I can find some. Yeah, that's something here. I can feel it. And it'd just be like one spike in the in a crate or something. It's like worth it. I got my five units of the element zero. But that was always really satisfying to be like, you know, hovering

a thing, it's like, and then it's like, look at the size of that spike, and then it's like, or you get the spike that goes across two elements, and you're like, I can split that. I can split it. I'm gonna go more left and pick up this one. Now go more right and pick up that one. I was like, oh, jackpot. Your face is lighting up. Yeah, so much right now. There's some tiny elements in all these different games that really like get me excited and get me really immersed. And if they can combine all that into one game, that'd be the game. Do you know how that started in Mass Effect?

So it's been a progression and once you play Mass Effect 3 you'll see you scan a planet from outside the planet and it like says a red circle or like hey there's something here. Didn't you have to drive around the planet? You literally in the first one. You started, you did it on the planet. You were in a truck and you drove around the planet and picked shit up.

No. That doesn't sound satisfying. Yeah, but it was the same kind of thing where you're like, well, it says on the map, the where I'm going is across that mountain range, but I can't get across the mountain range. You have to go around it this way. I can get over that mountain range.

You're like driving up. You know, I think when you we should drive up into an area and not supposed to go. So you do a lot of that. If you just press it enough, it'll just slow it. So even from a original mass effect, literally driving across a fucking planet and you drive across 180 of them in the game.

Drive across the planet, then you scan the entire planet from orbit. Now you're just like all the way out by the sun just hitting your little scan trigger. Show me where shit is. Speaking of planets, Jack showed me a very cool video. I don't know if you've seen this. It's a simulation of if the earth had rings, like Saturn.

Yeah, yeah. And what it would look like from different points on the earth. And like on the equator it would just be like, like a line going up in the air, it kind of looks like Halo. But then from further north to south, you would see it like lit up at night. It was really cool It makes you hate our planet. Yeah, and I was watching it and then I looked over to Jack and I was like

Why don't we do this? And you like yeah? I should have this well We probably have no satellites Let's be happy. We don't have rings because rings have stuff in them. Yeah, so the rings of satin are like Millimeters thick. Well, it doesn't matter how big something You have to collide with something. What would it collide with? Well, if we had satellites,

we were orbiting the Earth like that. Orbit of the satellites. Yeah, but people think that you put something in orbit, it's gonna bash into something else with orbit. The orbit of that big ring. Yeah, we'll just put it where the ring isn't. I think it works now. You've got the surface of the planet in orbit.

You've got like multiples of that. There's so much space in orbit. orbit then you have to have everything in orbit running parallel to the ring On a different essentially longer to yeah, and on a non-closing for runs around the equate They do that with the current satellites. They're up there. Well, they put something to you So there's way the fuck out there. So maybe you do that But it would it would it would be a challenge to put stuff in orbit if we had Figure this out. There's a lot of room over everyone's like we had I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know minor adjustments can make very stable orbits that literally won't change over decades. So you can very easily, like, not easily, but you can put stuff in orbit that will never collide with anything else.

But I think this is the planet and I'm just going to draw circles around everywhere. So they go every direction, like, everything you're doing. But you can, what I'm saying is you can make such stable orbits. You can calculate, you can do simulation, but still are never. Yeah, these are the rings that occupies a certain space like a band you can't pass through the, like, we could never have a satellite I'm a password the equator for instance in your ring and I'll just put it further out or For further in maybe for the ring. I'm just saying the rings are huge and wide

Well, yeah, damn arguing about Faker things on the planet earth But how do you feel about how the international space station is gonna just for a little bit soon? I just you know, I think we have something up there. We should definitely fund it and oh it's like 15 years to get all the pieces up there to build it was nothing without the space shuttle without the American space shuttle program you we can no longer bring things up there the Russian was it the Soyuz rocket that they have yeah that delivers people that's pretty much what it does it's like the old school rocket huge rocket and then there's a little caps on top where the fucking dude

sit like you're you're the head of an arrow essentially Yeah as an astronaut so that delivers people and those things are super reliable But the space shuttle is like to pick up truck of the space program the international space program. There's nothing like it anymore Yeah, it would be cool if they don't deliver anything it would be cool if there's a way for a guy to jump out of the space station and just Re-enter the earth just as a person without show Come up with that Did you have a much more for the story about the fuck up. We come up with that. Did you ever do much of my warfare?

You ever hear the story about the guy who was trying to break the record for the highest altitude in a balloon? Like, he's a meagre. Like, he got into orbit, he'd be gone to the edge of the atmosphere, and then just jumped out, like parachute back to Earth. So he jumps out of the basket, and then he's just looking at the Earth, and he doesn't any wind because he's there's no atmosphere so he's just like jump tight like oh crap because he just thought he was flowing and then he's like oh my god I'm not I'm not going down and then and then he turned to look back up at the balloon he just jumped up and the balloon was like going wow what really speeding away from me he's like oh I'm falling like thousands of miles per hour I'm just not hitting any atmosphere and then he hit it

I don't think individual loan individual get this bug in their head that they're gonna do this people remain Yeah, I just read a story about a boy scout who made a nuclear reactor in his backyard He was harvesting nuclear materials like with a totally small nuclear material that was in smoke alarms And he was using it to build a nuclear reactor. How old is this kid? I think he kept calling him a boy scout, but he was older. So I don't know why they kept referring him to like late teens. What new ones cooking up some gasoline in your kitchen or something?

Try to make what you do it. You guys can picture the guy because he's been exposed to so much radiation his face is covered in sores and everything. He was building a fucking nuclear reactor. And I think what this guy woke up one day or read a magazine article about radioactive material That's in smoke alarms and decided fuck it. This is what I'm gonna do with my life. I'm gonna make a nuclear reactor I'm like you but you're similar with what you would do What with the you're doing gasoline stuff in the kitchen like cooking up some debts. Yeah, I guess people are bored. We're gonna

Post a picture of the guy. Yeah, he looks Unstable, he's got that thousand yard stairs. Yeah, you guess people are bored. We're gonna Post a picture of the guy. Yeah, he looks Unstable, he's got that thousand yard stairs. Yeah, you know, well, you know the thousand yard stairs. You guys know what that is? Yeah So yeah, he's got that is all covered in like these pockmarks and sores. He looks like something out of a Mad Max movie Which we referenced earlier. Oh, but you were saying you judge people when they play video game the video game that I judge Few most they play his portal to once you beat it and you know how to beat all the rooms, watching someone else play Portal 2 you're like you're a fuck. Yeah, I beat hard. What's wrong with you? It's just like I would hate for someone who had played the game to watch me play it. I'm always that's why I wish the

save film feature was in every game because when I play Halo games I know that this did to me. So I save my first playthrough of every map. Oh, okay. And I save the whole run just because I find it interesting in like three years to watch how I played the level for the first time and like see where, like chances I would have played a lot since then. You run the wrong way.

Yeah. Like just see like, what am I doing over there? Yeah. It's quite fascinating. I don't remember how I beat most of the levels. Like I've gone to play Portal 2 again and I've had to reevaluate the entire game because I don't remember.

I'm sure it'd be the same way. I haven't been as immersed in a video game as I was in Portal 2. I think that's the best game I've ever played. Why not? I would have to, like, maybe not even consider a gameplay but just like when you go into old aperture science and you walk around and say, yeah.

And I was playing on my big screen with head with like surround sound head fans I was like This is awesome and I all the sounds and like just look I was looking at everything I most games Yeah, most games there's too much to look at like I'll just yeah get through But Paul I was put to I was looking at everything that I was taking all that I was like wow that was a good game You know the last game to really immerse me like that is really gonna be sound strange Was the hayland aversary title playing net again? I? I feel like I didn't know as much of the story like going back and playing it the like with the refresh graphics

I loved it man. I had a blast. I loved that too. I don't remember the story being that deep honestly I didn't remember it and it was great and I know they didn't add anything they just you know Updated the graphics. Yeah, and this and the stuff that's come into the game, like in Halo, reached in Halo 3, that was, you know, never shown or, obviously mentioned, but is in there. Like, there's a subtle mention of it or like a hint to it,

and it's like, the whole thing was obviously very worth thought out, and I like that. And I'm not going to give you spoilers here, but in Mass Effect, there's like this online thing now with Mass Effect 3, where people are complaining about it. They're complaining about some story stuff in it, and I don't know what the story stuff is, they're complaining about. I'm probably 85% of the way through the game, and all I can say is, everything so far has been fantastic. And I'm a huge fan of the Mass Effect Universe.

Huge fan of it. Is this the last one? I can say- Is that why people are complaining about how it ended? I don't know. I don't know. Maybe they can be complaining to them, they thought it was the last one I Can say that why people are complaining about how ended I don't know I don't know Maybe they can be complaining to they thought it was last one. It wasn't I don't know I don't know I don't know what they're complaining. I have good reactions about the ending. Oh, I've had terrible ranks I've heard like protests like level like positions to get it changed Yeah, whatever

But I can say so far that hey the complaints Gus is rejo us. The complaints about the mass effect ending without giving any spoilers, which you don't know. All I'm saying is, so far, I think it's a fucking great third game in a trilogy. I think it's fantastic. And you were worried about it when we were first talking about it before you played it. You like it, they're changed, it looks different. I think it's awesome.

Yeah, I've heard, again, I've been trying to avoid spoilers because I haven't finished it yet. I've heard that the ending's mostly good, but there's something that happens during it that people aren't happy about. That being said, I've also talked to Finchland on our website. It was a huge Mass Effect fan who said he was totally fine with it. Okay. And you're liking it so far as a Mass Effect fan. Yeah. Great game. Well, I was at the beginning was a little rough. I don't know what you all talked about.

But can I talk about the ending of Mass Effect 2 for a second? Yeah. I think that's okay. That was just good. Okay. So I was not happy with the ending of mass effect too because it's like you're doing this thing, you're worried about the collectors the entire time. And then you get to the end and it's like, oh, they're building a human Reaper. It's like, what is that a thing? It's like that was it. And then you're fighting this human Reaper. I don't even know what that meant. I don't know what that means. Yeah. What do you mean? What is that? Yeah, they made it. Oh, no, they're building a human reaper. What is a human reaper? What is like they collected all the humans? That's what they were doing so that they could use all the humans the collected the combined knowledge of all humans

Isn't it collected to build a human reaper? No, but are there different? They don't give a fuck about the combined knowledge. I thought they liquidate all the humans and like that absorb the minds of all these humans Like a big hive mind of and then I put it in the world. They were doing something with all the humans Yeah, but it wasn't really clear and it's like there's no the Surrey humans are reapers. Yeah, nothing else. Yeah, although other why the reparsives you've seen There's big ships the reapers. Yeah, so what they're probably based off something else, right? But why are they have to be based on something else? No, they're just the reapers that that's what they did They assumed that like oh, they're building human reapers like what does that mean?

It didn't make any sense at all to me. It's like it's like the flood They take on the form of other species, don they know the flood is like just not until that moment not until that moment massive act to it's what I'm saying It's like they like sense you don't know that that the repeat you've previously seen is another species that you've encountered Have lived forever and been through many cycles right? Many different species. Yeah, so they probably find the last fuck up finish Why haven't why are they still continue to exist the way they do why aren't there Trian Reapers? Why aren't there pro sorry Reapers? Yeah, prosian was really last a conquer the whole prosian, you know empire There's no other Reaper and I can take massive three. They're just Reapers. There's no oh

There's a big human Reaper stopping through London. There's nothing like that. There's no it's just the big spider Sovereign harbinger looking Reapers, but just they're what they are the reapers, but somehow at the end of Mass Effect 2 is very important that they were building a human Reaper, I didn't get that either. It didn't make any sense. It's just something like stuck in it's like when I played years The war the first time and the first years of war and it's like Your friend in that general. What's his name? It's like you're underground and you set up the bomb on all this stuff It's like oh, we had to get general. He's on the train. It's, what's his name? It's like you're underground and you're set up the bomb and all this stuff. It's like, oh, we had to get general, he's on the train. It's like, what's fucking train?

And they're talking about the train, like you know what it is. And I find that lid at a cuddle level. Yeah. And it's like, I was so mad about it. I go, what the fuck is train? They could have transitioned that slightly better, right? They probably could have. Yeah, but this added in one cut scene.

Or like a line of dialogue. Hey, I remember that train. That was crazy. He got the train and he's going. It's like we have to get to the train. It's like, what the fuck the train? What are you talking about? So that was my problem with the mess of a two-in-a-two. And then all of a sudden, there were all the reapers coming to space to earth. And it was like that was also like, oh, is that established? Yeah, I mean, yeah, I guess that was, but I've got a couple problems with three I want to bring up now, which are not spoilerish at all the beginning of three I understand from a writing perspective why they want to let time pass but they Didn't do a good enough job bridging the gap between two and three I thought or I know there's the DLC

But I felt like there's still too much of a gap between the arrival in the beginning like why you shepherd in the situation Why is it shepherd in jail? Why do I not have the normity who the fuck is this guy yelling at me with the muscles? Yeah, you're in jail. Well, you're not jail jail Oh, you're like you're like you're grounded or something. Yeah, you're like you're in your room. You're in your room You're in trouble. I don't like the the start in jail idea in the game. I don't like that. It's like this award Gays a war oblivion. You started jail. Yeah I was just doing silent Hill with a Michael stop in jail The other problem I had with the story was and I maybe I haven't played it in a long time, but I thought in Mass Effect 1 or 2, they said that when the reapers attack, that they

show up and they shut all the Mass Effect relays down, and that's why they're so efficient. Like, they have these things out there, like the relays in the Citadel, that are like bait for civilizations to begin to rely on, and then the reapers show up and they shut it all down and then they just kill everyone. And now it's like oh no the reapers are here, they're gonna wipe us out in a hundred years. Like I thought this was gonna go like in ten days, like instant. Well, in was it mass effect too, we the humans blew up a relay and I destroyed the Biterian system. Like wiped out the entire system. It's like so we're pretty fucking good at taking people out. I mean we do a better job wiped out the entire system. It's like, so we're pretty fucking good at taking people out. I mean, we do a better job than the reapers do.

It's like one of the reapers show up and blow up the mass specter relay. Why do the humans do that? To stop the reapers from showing up. Right. The mass specter relay is how you go from system to system. It says preventative measure. Exactly, right.

Exactly. Also, you don't want to go too far because sometimes you just have to accept things for the way they are. You know? But there's never really any clear motivation of why do the reefers do this? Why do they go away? What's the motivation for?

They're kind of getting into that in three and I don't want to spoil it. Oh, okay, they think you're not going to touch it. But it's like, why do they leave, let civilizations build back up and then come back in and wipe out the most advanced ones and then leave and come back again? Why do they do that? What's the advantage? I'm more okay with like kind of plot holes like that is opposed to sometimes you'll like they'll just cancel out everything you've done like you do a lot of stuff and it's like oh it was a dream and that's more annoying to me than like dense in a story.

No I totally agree that's why I said you want to go too deep because if you start you know asking all the stuff it's of course it doesn't make a lot of sense yet to yeah to spend to spend that disbelief at some point but like just like like they did that in what was that show of Dallas where they Shot J. R and then it was all the You know Dallas. Yeah, I know Dallas and um, but like I if I was watching that show for like two seasons Then they said it was all that all those two seasons of our dream. Mm-hmm. That made me mad. Yeah Yeah, but you know you you want to count for something. You want it like if you watch the whole of lost and then they just said all of the hatch stuff was a dream. Didn't wasn't real. I mean, what the hell? Why would why would you know, it's annoying. That's like a season nine or reverse

blue. We had a whole portion of the season that took place inside the memory unit and it was relevant to one character especially. His taking place, but it was it you had to be very careful because like Dallas ruined that stuff about like things are dream And if they're they're not real that they don't count, you know, yeah But if it's happening simultaneously to write a story then it's a part of the story They literally just undid to seasons of TV right? Yeah, no, they did it back They just said no all that doesn't count whoops. Yeah, yeah, it doesn't matter So he was talking about how, when you watch your video games, you judge them.

I realized today that one of the ways you can judge people, the harshest, is watching the way that you breakfast. Because there's so many different ways to eat breakfast. What are you talking about now? Well, let this come from. I just, you were just talking like criticizing, and we talked about this this morning. It's like the different ways you can eat breakfast.

Everyone eats breakfast in a very specific way. Like the way you like your eggs, how do you eat eggs? I don't care. You don't really care. I'll eat my how they come. You don't even know how they come. How do you eat your eggs? Yeah, I don't care.

If I'm put on the spot and forced to make a decision, I'll just take scramble. But when you eat a soft boiled egg, sure, I don't care. Something I don't like about ordering food in this country is that there's choices for everything. I want this How would you like it cooked? What sauce do you want on it? What do you want on the side? It's like oh? I'd rather just have what you give me and I have to go through this every time I put a food bring something. I'll eat it There was a restaurant in Muda. There was that way

It was two ladies and they ran the place and you showed up for lunch and whatever they serve that day That's what you ate that's fine with me. Yeah, I like that. I like all food. It was called ladies and they ran the place and you showed up for lunch and whatever they served that day, that's what you ate. That's fine with me. Yeah. I like that. I like all food. It was called two mama's. People in America love decisions. Yeah, and they like, like customizable menu, like build it.

You're always like, oh, come on. You bought it. No, that's awesome. I got, I got to disagree with it. I like that sauce. I love that. Like you can go into a sub shop and it's like pops. So I want that.

That's right. When that one, that's just like it's quicker for me me to say I'll have everything and then pick out the crap I don't want it's just quick to do it. I was But yeah, it's wasteful. Oh, sorry. I wasted a couple of olives no black if you have black olives on my sub There's no way I don't you come around my sub. I will fuck you up. I will destroy you Like keep up with it like the worst in offense. No two combers. The worst I hate you Like you eat bacon. How do you eat eat bacon do you bacon cooked do you eat?

Soft bacon or do you eat crispy bacon don't give a crap you don't give me some bacon for crispy bacon, but I'll eat whatever Why would you why would you eat meat crispy? Why would you want it? Bacon's good I know what I can good. Why is the bacon flavor? Who can you play though? Bacon there's no there's no other meat that you eat crispy like you don't order like I want chicken and I want you to fucking make it Chris yeah because you would burn it like I don't know when it is Something in the in the like the molecule of this like the whole chemistry going on is kind of good It's we had a baconologist let's come join us on the podcast

I would you can't be like going hell and they're gonna hell right next to each other That is people who eat crispy bacon and people who put fucking ice in orange juice Oh, I hate that this morning. I had a breakfast meeting and I ordered orange juice and they brought me a fucking glass with ice and orange juice In it you should have smashed it over their head if they did that what what like a diluted orange I just ice in orange juice is fucking gross whether to put ice in my fucking milk. I mean I've seen people do that I have seen people do that I smoke have seen people do that. I've smoked disgusting Hey, how do you say it Barbara? I say milk. Yeah, milk. I'm not milk. I say milk. I'll have to milk I say a lot of things weird. According to everyone here. Like I I can never if if someone's talking to me I can never tell a Theroconadian or American, but I kind of can now. Everyone here. I say out and yeah

But I kind of can now everyone do you say stuff with I say out and yeah different things house Tuk and I don't say to you. I think I've ever said the word to you and you'll do your head bounces up and down on your jaw exactly This is so far and I know she's out. That's the big one. Yeah, especially when I say check it out You said Chicago I caught myself as I was saying Every time I said I stopped myself and I said oh here. Yeah Michael and I both say Mario. I say Mario. Mario instead of Mario super Mario And I also say pasta and drama pasta is pasta Mario I don't know if it's like a northern thing or just a stupid thing

Yeah, possibly I heard something for the first time time the other day and I was interesting to hear oh I was it South by South West. I met the guy who the founder of Reddit and he said he talked about He said you guys should do an IMA and I was like I didn't know that's the way it was pronounced I don't think I am a I am a he calls it an IMA. What's the I for? I am a maker of online video. That's me anything, but I just call me am a I am a he calls it an I am a what's the I for I am a Maker of online video that's me anything, but I just call him a ma's yeah, yeah, he calls him I am is Oh, you know for the church his thing. Yeah

Okay, it's the way to pronounce it. So yeah, oh, do you enjoy my read it site? Redite So are you a Fussy fooder? Do you like customized a crap? What? The re-edit? What? Redite. So, uh... Are you a Fussy Fooda? Do you like customized crap out loud? I'm afraid I'm only a light crispy bacon. It's a... As you put ice in my orange juice.

Fuck you. It's just so stupid that people won't be crispy bacon. It's a dumb to me. Also, if you eat a well done steak, get out. That's what I said, get out. Like, I've been to steak place where if you order steak well done, they said, if you get your steak well done, you cannot send it back. Yeah.

Like, we know we're about to give you something shitty yeah okay this is about to be ruined you are taking full responsibility for it I'm what's gonna be ruined well don't take well because you hey is steak right if you order a well done steak you know I mean that all bits are off yeah you order some rare so we eat it all my steak covered in blood on it to be dripping I don't want the cow I also eat rare hamburgerambra though and then mostly don't do that. Did you have that there's a document dress on it's where like a tribe would go up to a cow Stab it in the neck drink the blood and then put cool Put a cork in it. Yeah, they like see it though. Yeah, they like see it

Bleed out. Yeah, they just Maybe they were cheering vampirism They just have all these all these cows like it's a drinking cow. It's like oh we stabbed this one seven days ago It's ready for another one What a horrible life that animal I mean every every week is just like Oh, that's terrible. That's another that another, I don't know what it was called, but there was another kind of like off the beaten past sci-fi movie. It was an Ethan Hawke vampire movie

where the whole world was vampires. And as a result, they were running like humans. Like they, like what would happen if like vampires ran rampant, like, and everybody started infecting everybody. And so the whole world was vampires and it existed at night. And now they were out of human blood And so it was crisis for them and they were trying to become a synthetic Possibilities. It's very interesting. Yeah, people are slowly dying because they didn't have enough human blood

And it's of course there's a packet of humans like it. Well, they should have thought about it before I would have said if they did zombies because same Well, you think you're popular trends zombies or vampires. I think zombies easily zombies No, I think we might think that, but Twilight, I mean, that's something. Yeah, but there are, but Twilight's the only thing. Like zombies, I call it everywhere. Well, but just like vampires in general, like even old school vampires. That guy's English, right?

What can you name the main guy in Twilight? I think the main two dudes are. Yeah. Shane and Rick. Yeah, I'm talking about Twilight. Oh, so sorry. Sorry, I don't know if I'm talking about walking dead. I got walking dead on the brain. Because I was looking up something.

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