Rooster Teeth Podcast - RT Podcast #160

Episode Date: April 4, 2012

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Twisted metal, streaming now, only on Peacock. Ooh! Ah! Drug Tank, it's the drug tank. It's the greatest show on history. From the town of Austin. There about to get a D. U.I. It's the podcast It's a little Flintstone flavor to get you started the morning. It was a rhyme

It's like it's like a very it's like a subgenre of the old timey voice is like the vibrato singer What's he should have slick back hair. It's like Tuxedo. It's like you should be singing Daisy or Daisy or something. Daisy. Daisy. So it's Gus, Bernie, Barbara and Monty today. Do you know the story?

When you say Daisy, do you know the story behind why they chose Daisy for 2001? I used to know the story. It was the first computer synthesized music ever played. Where's that computer synthesized voice ever? Oh, yeah. And so what we're talking about is in 2001 when Dave, what's his name? Yeah, Dave. Opened up. I can't do that Dave. Yeah, open the pod by doors. How? Um, he, when he kills how the computer is boiler. Oops. I think it's okay by now. It's okay, the movie came out in 2001. The, when he kills how the computer, the computer is slowly losing its mind

and it sings the song Daisy that its programmers taught it when it first was essentially born. And it's based on, you can look it up on YouTube. Yeah, and I think in fact, in the movie, how was supposed to have been developed at the University of Illinois Champaign-Orbana where I believe that first experiment occurred in real life where the computer sang for the first time. All right, is that true? I'm gonna look it up right now. I believe so. The crazy thing about 2001 is you watch it now and

you kind of take a lot of stuff for granted. When the movie 2001 came out, computer displays didn't even exist. Like that was a technology that did not exist, but in the movie everyone's interfacing with a computer using a display. It was such a forward thinking, prescient sci-fi that he got a lot of things correct. I think even satellites didn't even, geosynchronous satellites did not exist at that point. And like the first modern shot when they pan from the monolith of to space is a geosynchronous satellite, which I believe is a communication satellite in the movie, but in the book it's supposed to be a nuclear weapon pointer back at earth. Really? That's so exciting. I love the movie. I love talking about this stuff. Because in the book it goes from the expression of the stick, you know, when the apes use the stick as the ultimate

weapon to dominate each other, you know, and then they throw it up and then it's supposed to pan up to the new dominant form of weapon which was nuclear base nuclear weapons pointed back at earth via satellite which we still don't have which we still don't have theoretically we don't have that there was a beginning that was cut from that movie or really um something about like that monolith on the moon was it on the moon yeah the big discovered the monolith again on the moon. Right. Yeah, there's a lot. That movie's like four hours long, but there's still so much that's like that's cut and changed. What year did that come out? 68. I think it might have been early.

It might have been like 64. Four and they already predicting that kind of stuff. Yeah. It's incredible. You know, we were watching the other day. The You Will ads from the ATT campaign in the 90s, which was like, oh right, do you do this? You will. And one was like, have you ever tucked your baby in from a phone booth? You will. And it's pretty surprising how much stuff they got right. Like the guy on the beach with the tablet?

Yeah, but it's like, they don't have the context to say what it is. It's like, you can still see it from a 1990s, early 90s context, which is they say about that guy, have you ever seen a facts from the beach and he says like he writes on a tablet and he gets a fact goes it's like because they didn't have the word email so they said they put in terms of a fact. I know what you were talking about because you talked about it last time. When last time went on the podcast. Like last week. No, we talked about it like a year ago. Yeah, but we were just looking at we were just looking at it again. We've hit a technological

plateau at all. It seems like we have, but then somehow they keep surprising us in different ways, but it's hard to imagine them going up from here. I feel like innovation really took off post-World War II during the Cold War and the space race. 2068 look at that. Wow. That's living, I thought. Look at the brain on burn. I feel like there's a lot of investment. I feel like things have slowed down. Maybe it's because in hindsight,

you look back at all those advances and you think it all happened very quickly, but it takes time. I think it changes what the focus is changes. Right. Desktop computers were a very big deal for like 15 years, but now mobile devices are unbelievably amazing. I mean, if you look I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, is amazing. With the latest iteration, you can talk to it, create things, create a Vance,

or talk, communicate with people, simply through voice. You're not talking to the people. You're talking to a computer, who's interpreting your voice, and then sending the message to other people. Yeah, I don't. I'm telling you, when I went from BlackBerry to iPhone, that was like the best day of my life,

because I was like, wow, this is an actual phone, and I could actually do something. Once you leave BlackBerryberry you never go backberry. Oh Jesus. I also think there's a pretty big focus on just like virtual technology you know real-time engine and stuff you know developing a game engine and you know stuff that stuff that makes it easier to make movies for example like all the technology they develop for avatar and things so a little almost too focused on that.

I think it's because there's a high demand for everyone. Things, movies are like the greatest thing. And we just develop technology for it. Well, they also have big budgets to go along with the movie creation. What was the budget for Avatar? Wasn't it something like... 500 million. 500 million.

I don't think there's an official number is there. Well, they had to go to a different planet to film it. That's a lot of millions. That's a lot of an opinion. Ladies and gentlemen, joining us on the podcast today is mr. Montiome So how about you and miss Barbara? Don't get Bernie has a new nickname for me. It's Berbera Duncan's not by Brad Duncan's

Hey, all of us here are going to Pax. That's all we are we're all going to Paxies Paxies Paxies do you go? Gus, we've been to every Pax. Yeah, every single Paxies. Do you call the Gus? We have been to every Pax. Every single Pax. I know I remember the P-Pax. Pax attendance club. Pax attendance club. So are you, you know, I was just talking with Brooke and she's no longer a Fragile. So she was like, she was going to break her P-Pax streak. But now she's going to Paxies as civilian. Yes, I'm telling you. As a norm. We make the P pack shirts. We should. I wonder how you'll be in every single pack every year.

If you consider the first event was only what like 3,000 people, then that's the number you start with. And then it whittles down very quickly from there. Boston had to take a lot of people out. Yeah, I'm sure that you make the trip over. I'll have all the civilians. I'm curious as to how many of the P pack members are in the exhibitors or how many are die-hard. I'm sure, I tend to be.

Okay, let's do a P-Pack dinner. Yeah, we can be like, what's the thing in the sentence where they all have a key to the vault and they all die off? I'm talking about health fish. Oh yeah, the health fish. The fight in health fish. We can be the P-Pack health. I was thinking of the stone cutters From the Simpsons. Oh, they're they set their feet up. Yeah, like the mason's man. You know what? That was a good episode Simpsons is now what 23 years. Oh, I think it's 23 22 or 23. I know I know it's my age or older so

What do you do? You know, the Simpsons has been on the air for four different decades They were here before any of us were born. They have 506 episodes, 23 seasons, 22 episodes, 506. I know they just had their 500th episode, a few weeks, obviously, six weeks ago. And at the end of the episode, I watched it just because it's kind of monumental, I guess, to get to 500. At the end of the episode, they had a slate that says,

before you get on the internet and complain about how awful this episode was, take a breath and go outside. Really? Really? Really? There's really funny. Yes, so it's like, with the end of the way, preload criticism or something like that.

Wow. That's episode was that. I thought that's fine I have not seen a new Simpson's episode in a very long kind of take it for granted because we always it's like it's been around so long We always assume it's gonna be there. Yeah, they had that cast Conflict or I guess a compensation conflict was it this past year last summer? Maybe or like this where they almost did not renew for another season. Oh, man. It was like at the last minute I feel like that's gonna be the end of the world in the Simpson's it's no longer Maybe? Or like this, where they almost did not renew for another season. Oh man. It was like at the last minute they- I feel like that's gonna be the end of the world. They renew it.

And the Simpsons is no longer. Could you imagine having a job for 25 years, especially in entertainment? It's like, it's like old-style, you know, 50s or 60s factory worker, right? It's like, I put in 25 years and I got my gold watch and I'm retired now. Pretty much. You would think the voice actors would start talking like their characters in real life just constantly because they do it so much for 25 years. I guess so yeah I mean it's pretty a voice acting to pretty good gig because you know

Two hours basically. I mean they don't all have lines one time I worked out that when the friends the cast of friends they were making a million bucks in episode I think it was more I think it was like 2.5 almost real What really yeah like in the last season I think it was almost 3 million in episode. Wow. You've got to careful with that point. You're waiting so much to sell for me. I know. No kidding. It was a huge. So what did you calculate?

Oh, I was calculating that with 6 people in 22 minutes, that they were all responsible for just under 4 minutes a week. Yeah. They couldn't be responsible really for anything more than that. For a million bucks. Worked episodes, oh no they were half an hour. What did I do an hour? And there's 22 minutes with commercials. It's just like, I'm responsible for four minutes a week,

and I make a million bucks for four minutes. That is the best job. I'm glad to see Adam. Hey Adam. How you doing? Adam's poking his head in, because Adam's going to be part of our Mass Effect 3 spoiler cast, which we should probably announce that at the end, we're going to do it of our Mass Effect 3 spoiler cast, which we should

probably announce that at the end, we're going to do it at the end. So at the end, Adam's a little sleep deprived. You didn't stop for a while, I just like, can you? Adam's a little sleep deprived, but he'll explain that when we do the Mass Effect. Can you go and register my Windows 7? What? My Windows 7, it keeps giving me that registration error. Yes.

Thank you. It's not going to be a licensing aid. Oh, my, this the scenes look right there, but yeah at the end of this episode we'll be having a special Spoiler field mass-effectory discussion. Yes, we will warn you extensively before we start that discussion It'll be probably the last 30 minutes of the podcast. I will not be joining because I have nothing to contribute But we will be discussing it at length and we will we will give big warnings and all that stuff So some people who are listening like to this father I was noting on Twitter that

People I say what they're doing when they're listening to podcasts. It's like the big thing for RVB was RVB people would put on the DVDs and do stuff in their house. Fold laundry was the big thing Yeah, people would watch RVB while they fold laundry. I would do that too. I love that. I don't know what it is I must I must have watched RVB like a hundred times now. Commentary and not commentary, you know. Now you still have it on about half the time I go back to your station. You're watching one of the River Sublude DVDs. What's like, I mean honestly with as many hours of content we have now you just watch and you're like, oh, I mean from a writing perspective and Monty in a lot of ways

because he does choreography that's keyed into characters. He's in a sense a writer. And so you find things like, oh, I can use that. There's a moment that people have so you just watch this stuff over and over and over. Yeah. A lot of times for writing for inspiration, I will just watch this series,

and then I will just go into Halo Maps and literally just walk around. That's what I do. In an empty Halo map. You forge, yeah. I do the same thing. I'm like, they should jump off that or maybe someone should fall into that. Pretty good. And I'm like, who hung that sign there?

You're walking around maps is kind of what's started red versus blue in the first place. I know we talk about you making like halo action videos, but I remember you would walk around all the time and just look at the set and look at, you know, the things that were in the world and watch watch the world as it existed. There's some things that just don't change after nine years. Yeah. Still do a few of the things the same way. My favorite run joke is how Griff occasionally does a lot of little running jokes in the show that we don't like make is like we don't put them in the forefront. They're just like little background joke and what is how Griff is constantly concerned about the son

never going down like he brings it up every night like why is it always daytime? Yeah, yeah. Griff brings that up. He did that in um relocated. Yeah. He did that in. I think it was the most prominent relocated. I think he made other mention of it, but he definitely was like he was yelling about it. He really lost it. He really lost it. The miniseries about the son never said he wanted someone to explain to him. Look, that's got to exist, right? A world where it doesn't where the revolution and rotation I can't in such a way that it has one side the only thing I wonder about that in a star in Avatar right that planet Pandora is a moon that orbits a gas giant right is there ever a period every like 500 years where it's just in darkness for another

500 years where it's like it's orbit matches that that's always behind that gas giant. It's interesting, like, it's cool. Yeah, I mean, they talk about that with Earth. They recently gave a statistic where they said there's, I guess, just based on raw probability, 10 million planets that are Earth-like in our galaxy. Yeah. Is what they, it was a 10 million? Not just our galaxy. Yeah, and it's just crazy to think about that.

Just like, that's a sheer probability number of you know how far away is from their star based on the size of the star that makes me happy so you could take everyone in the US and give like groups of 30 people a planet 30 people are 300 10 million 30 30 yeah every 30 people in the US a planet so Rooster Teeth would have a third of well Rooster Teeth as a company would have its own planet. Let's do it. It's own Earth. We need no planets, this one's fucked up.

Yeah, but is it like every 30 people getting their own planet? Isn't that kind of like, what tumblers? Everybody has their own domain and whatever they want to do. They can't just fuck it up. And when you show up, you're like, what the fuck is this? What did this music start playing? It's like I got an orbit here. Have you guys ever seen a scale of the universe? It's this thing online where you could kind of scroll back and forth where it goes from like the smallest thing in existence to like the biggest thing that we know of in existence.

And it's absolutely mind-boggling. And it's usually stars. So you start off with earth, right? And then it shows in the characters that move. No, it starts with like atoms right at like small Oh really and like it moves up like humans houses cars etc and then just like keeps going up and up and up and up and up and it's like Absolutely ridiculous and they have those relatively where they say they show you are our size relative to the to our son And you're like wow, we're so tiny and then they show our son relative to other star Yeah, it's like holy shit

Like those other stars are putting our son in the trash can at school I'm picking his lunch money There are people I meet who don't believe in aliens and I feel like those are this like the dumbest people in the fight fight I will fight you if you don't believe in it because how is it possible that we're the only living Creatures in the entire universe. That's that's impossible to me. There has to be another living. There's plenty of living creatures on earth. I remind you Barbara Gunkleman. On earth? Yes, but I mean in the galaxy like on other planets. Mm-hmm.

Jane, you definitely the hundred percent. Hundred percent. There has to be some living being somewhere in the universe. I believe in aliens, but I have, you know, until it's proven empirically, I'm open to the fact that maybe this is it. I don't know. It's just... I have, you know, until it's proven empirically, I'm open to the fact that maybe this is it. I don't know. It's just. I know the universe is a big place and probabilities on that side,

but as miniscule as it is, the possibility also exists. People who believe in ghosts more than aliens, those are the people who anger me. I mean, or it's also the possibility that what we have here that we call organic life is just unique in itself and that there could be other forms of life that we just can't recognize or see. They don't exist in the same way that we do.

Like I don't believe in aliens in the sense of like with all the tentacles and stuff. How are they? I'm not gonna repeat that. I think I'm totally gonna sound looped that. I'm gonna grab that. I think we underestimate the word alien and because we have movies about aliens and it's always some form of bug or weird eye creature. Like the word alien should mean that it's completely alien to us. We do not recognize it. And you're right, maybe we just don't, we've seen it, we don't even know it. Right.

I mean, how would we recognize something that's made of energy? You know, I mean, if it doesn't have any ability to communicate with this. No, baby powder on it. Yeah. I mean, we were talking about this gap with the slow most stuff. I mean, what if there's this gap with the slow most stuff. I mean, what if there's life that exists for nanoseconds at a time?

Like that's an entire lifespan. But it exists in such a way that, you know, if it saw us, they would think it must have trees, you know, and I mean, or not even, you know. It's almost like going back to the scale thing that Barbara was talking about. Yeah. Where things are so large that you can't comprehend it.

It's like, what if that time is the same way? Right. Right. My mind is actually being blown right time is the same way? Right. Right. My mind is actually being blown right. Is it? Don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't from the audience, she came up and did sound effects of herself by Southwest party. Did we talk about that a lot? We have a video of that, right? Yeah. What was her for the world to see?

Her footsteps were like, bop, bop, bop, bop. It's like realistic follow up to P-FU. Is that video ever going up anywhere? I don't know if we have video of that. We definitely have footage. I saw it way too many cameras for that or not be footage. I'm sure it's up somewhere. Yeah, I'm sure it is. Why don't we?

It's me speak, Pailden. We just kind of did it and forgot about it. We're just too busy. Yeah, I did record it. Okay, one more mind is audience at the end of this podcast, we're going to be doing a Mass Effect 3 spoiler cast where we'll be talking in depth about the Mass Effect 3 or entire Mass Effect franchise, including the ending of Mass Effect 3, which has people up in arms.

You see the warning before it comes. You see the total recall trailer? I did. I saw the total recall trailer and I saw some other remake thing. I have not seen the total recal trailer yet But I have heard good things about it. I don't recall seeing it Monty's gonna be like hey, hey, you made a bad joke on the last So Monty and I were talking about about that yesterday we were talking about how... That was yesterday? Yeah, it was.

Yeah. I was here twice. You were here twice yesterday. You remember the things that were on like eight podcasts ago? No, no, no. No, no, no. That was that was that. Bernie, we were talking about...

You got called out. Oh, shit. That was loud. Nope. Bernie, we were talking last night. I just haven't gone to bed yet. Is that what it is? Yeah.

What's yesterday? For me. For the whole world, for the whole world for the world people For people who are on the monies 36 cycle circadian rhythm. What I'm here on. Yeah, it's crazy Tell me recall. Yeah, it looks good. Yeah, it was pretty cool because we were talking about how If somebody wants to spend a hundred million dollars to do like an exercise of remaking something money and I are totally fine with that and other people get all up And arms about redoing stuff or quote unquote Would you say ruining my child? Oh, yeah, I haven't here like I'm so sick of hearing especially like There's talk I haven't seen anything for I hear talk about a new ninja turtles by Michael Bay

Oh, yeah, I don't was that true. I thought that was just like a rumor I was stupid room. I mean just not even considering the Michael Bay stuff It's just like the first thing people say about transformers in like Ninja Turtles Is like you're ruining my childhood. I'm like, oh, so sick. You know it ruins my childhood when I see girls on Halloween dress up It's like sexy Mickey Mouse and sexy like big bird and everything like that that ruins my childhood. Go on Anyways, so I Hate hearing in the ruin my childhood You know like cookie mistress.

We're so caught up in remaking things. We don't very much establish new IPs very often. Yeah. What do you think Avatar was a new IP? Because you were saying, I think so. I totally do. Because, like, you know, what was that thing we were running out of nostalgia right right for wait yeah it's it's that um I don't know it's so hard to establish new IP we're just

remaking stuff and then we remake stuff people say it's ruined my childhood you know whose childhood we're ruining by remaking stuff all the time with children's childhood because they get they don't get new stuff current children yeah if you look at like Power Rangers from 1999 compared to Power Rangers now, it's upsetting. Oh, I prefer not to look at either. Why is it upsetting though? Just because there's something so Awesome about the original Power Rangers now. I was really. Can I can I tell you what's awesome about it? Can I tell you what's awesome? It's because it's just when you were kid. Yeah, and you hadn't seen anything else yet Like to me power rangers to me is a shitty version of watchron. I was, yeah, yeah, you know what?

I was like the age where I was too old to watch power Rangers and I watched it anyways and I decided to like it. But I can look back and say I also didn't like it. It was just like, you know, I'm very forgiving about a lot of things, but like I like, I was the biggest Ninja Turtle fan when I was, you know, I was about that age, you know, the 10 years old Ninja Turtle toys and everything. look back and like why do I like this?

It's like turtles. What do I get from this? I like turtles. It didn't even have I like total I remember it and not even having that great action looking back on it and the turtles movies even worse Yeah, you know, yeah, it's when you're a kid everything's so much more awesome You know what you know what? Let I mean, you can even go back. What is that, Sexy Big Bird? No, it's a sexy Nemo. Sexy finding Nemo?

Sexy Nemo. That is, I'm gonna go cry. Ha ha ha. That's crazy. I can't even be worse than you. You're trying to think something that's worse. But if you even look at the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles as a franchise, the cartoon that everyone associates with

with the, you know, different colored headbands that identify the characters. That's not Ninja Turtles. Ninja Turtles was a dark and gritty graphic novel where they all had red headbands. Even the color coding of the headbands is something they made for kids. They took a gritty, it was essentially like a daredevil

parody is how it started. Like if you look at the how the ninjas, how the turtles became the ninjas, it was essentially like daredevil gets hit in the eyes with that radioactive canister That felt the pack of a truck and then the canister then rolls into the sewer and makes the ninja turtles It's like a weird thing. It's like a connection between daredevil and teenage me never heard that I never heard that Don't look at the original original or just right so it was originally a graphic novel that was all black and white, and on the cover art all the Ninja Turtles had red, bandanas or whatever, you know, the masks.

They weren't color-coated. They weren't there. They were trying to hide their identity. They weren't building up with fucking turtles as these Ninja weapons, they weren't. It wasn't there like a group of ninjas in Daredevil called the Hand, and that's why they have the foot in Ninja Turtles. Maybe so. Maybe so.

That would make sense. So the other thing too is that like the way you were supposed to differentiate between the turtles was by their weapons. So it was much more violent. Way more violent. I mean, the kids think that they have her, they have pizza. One guy has a fucking sword.

He's never stabbed anybody. It's like why have the sword? You're like even by accident, you feel like you would have stabbed one of his friends. Give me a kendo sword. You know what I mean? So we can at least hate people with a goddamn thing. Can't tell you how many times I tried to make my own ninja turtle as a kid.

What do you mean? What do you mean? I got a pet turtle and turtle cheetah things. Dude, I did that too. Just like, what? I talked about that once before. I would take mosquitoes, I would use it and I would catch a captain, I'd bring them in the house and I would microwave them for different amounts of time and then release them back into the wild

I was trying to make microwave I was trying to make mosquitoes that would be And they would kill the other mosquitoes I feel like that's totally different you You feel like fucked up shit to your turn? No, I'm just fucking with you. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, I was joking too. I was kidding. I was joking too. I was joking too. I was joking too. I was joking too. I was joking too.

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That would be just stuck in there. I think that's the dumbest thing you've ever done as a kid That's that's the closest that comes to seriously like I could have crippled myself entirely I usually all she's driving motorcycle in high school and one time I wrecked it and I'm not sure how but I laid it down Which I did a bunch I wrecked this thing a lot, which is another reason I should have died. Somehow in laying it down, I popped the gas cap off the gas tank and I got shower-dined gasoline. I was covered, I had to tell gasoline, and my motorcycle was sitting on the side. I was like, what are you in gas?

I don't know. It's like laying on a tight sputtering and I'm like, what do I do? I can't, and I'm covered, Being covered in gas is a dangerous situation. Yeah. Any second. Yeah. You're fucked up. And so I'm like, how do I pick my bike up when I'm covered in gas? It's like a final moment for final destination. Like you're covered in gas. Like, oh, I survived the wreck and it's someone's driving by and throw a like a lip cigarette out the window. Yeah. That's calling in.

I mean, it's slow most you come and like land right next to you. My buddy Randy shows up with his magnifying glass Dude, have you ever seen in the final destination movies? I've seen like water too I think I saw the most recent one which was like in 3d I somehow got convinced to go see it There's this one death where this girl dies from getting laser eye surgery The laser just like shoots through her skin and she like falls out of window and it's like that's really reaching I was just sitting there laughing my ass off and everyone was just like how Really like how does that how did from a writing perspective? How does that start? Do you think they sit down and try to come up with a list of gets?

They probably try to get their most idiotic they come up with I think they did this stuff that people are kind of naturally freaked out by like escalators Laser eye did someone die by escalators? I saw I saw it in a trailer guy getting eaten by an escalator Yeah, elevator someone gets eaten by an escalator or something. Yeah, elevator. Someone gets eaten by an elevator in that movie. Okay. Did you guys see the Darwin Award winner for the last year? It still do that. Yeah.

I don't think so. I think he's in Korea and he's trying to make an elevator and he's on a scooter and the elevator door shut. It's like in a mall. So they're like glass elevator doors. Oh yeah, I did see that. And it stops the elevator goes away, and I guess he just figures I'm really mad about this so he backs his thing up and Rams the escalator doors Then backs up and Rams it again then backs up and Rams again goes through it and falls on the other shaft

Yeah, I really Okay mad about missing that elevator. Well, he's never gonna miss an elevator again So congratulations dude, I want to beat them down to the bottom to the first floor. It's just not seeming toazi for best actress and best actor. Wow. Yeah, that's a complete that's a total victory. Yeah, flotter. The, uh, but so, uh, they're finished the story about the boiling the gasoline. So what really caused a major rift in my house because my dad was a physicist. He worked in the super collider and he was also a physics professor. And so, my dad was a priest. He wasn't always, obviously, a vise. So my dad was a priest. And it's weird, because after his turn of theology,

then he became a scientist. I don't even, honestly, I don't even know that my dad believed in God after being a priest for two decades, more than that, two and a half decades. Wow. But anyway, so we had the talk, the parent talk, where like my mom's and tears for like the entire day, because she thought I you know I she almost was raising a 98% coverage bird victim essentially from killing himself from boiling gasoline And we sit down and she's like what's wrong with you?

And I said no mom. I'm listening listen listen You know It's gasoline so you can boil it and it won't explode until it gets to an open flame Of course, I mean idiot because the house was filled with fumes, any spark in the house would have killed me. You know, because I'm a kid and I'm stupid. And I said, you know, if it gets to an open flame and we had an electric range in my house,

we didn't have a gas range with fire, so we had a lecture on it. So I said, so, you know, there was really a knowledge of danger. You can boil gasoline without it igniting, but once it gets to an open flame, that's what caused the ignition. And she goes, she goes she goes what am I that goes Technically, he is correct

No, he was just he was way too objective within that moment So just grabby by the neck and sit punch punch punch So that like that kind of started your obsession with gasoline. Like you're, you're, you're desired to not turn your engine off when you fill up with gas. Like you still have these weird, I know how I'm connecting all these dots. You also, these weird idiosyncrasies about gasoline. It isn't big.

This isn't very similar, but you still also do that. What do you broil, Turkey, for Thanksgiving? No, we fry turkey and oil. You actually? Yeah, we didn't, we didn't do it. This should, didn't we? I did a hollow pain in Turkey. I didn't have a career. You did last year. I don't think turkey. No, actually. Yeah, we did we didn't we did do it. This you didn't we I did a hole in You did last year. I don't think you did it this year. Yeah, yeah, we're gonna get like a big this big thing. It's Barber. I've never celebrated American Thanksgiving. It's awesome. What is it?

Like Thanksgiving? I think is month earlier. Yeah, it's like the first week in November. I think no it's not Tober I think oh, is it? It's not tober man Man you're all fucked up over there. Yeah. It's that metric conversion. So you can this year you can celebrate Canadian Thanksgiving and then you can celebrate regular people's Thanksgiving. Oh Month later you can also 4th of July for the first time. Yeah what is Canadian Independence Day? Do you have an Independence Day? July 1st. Do you have a New Year? You'll do all of our stuff just like a week earlier. Is that your...'s Canada there? It's actually called Canada date. So it's not independence day though Like what happened to my first what is that commemorate now? This is interesting I just realized something Canada doesn't have an independent day because they never gained independence They were colony could call colony a colony that became a commonwealth So what is Canada they celebrate? Did it ever change hands between the French and the English though?

They celebrate. Did it ever change hands between the French and the English though? Oh, yes. There's a French component there. The little Barb is like, what's going on in the history? Yeah, she's got her phone. I just don't remember the year. Trying to figure out what you're meaning of the year. Just tell us the general story.

I gotta be corrected, my. Come on, Siri, go faster. All right, I always think Barb is no shit about Canada. I'm not actually from Canada, it's all a lie. I'm busy looking up teenage reading into turtles. Are you actually? I hope that all the screaming from the achievement hunter office next door isn't showing up in the pod. I can hear it.

I feel like it is. That's Michael screaming about sometimes. I know the... I'm the least speaking on something. I'm here to figure out whether it is. I think they're doing a let's play next door. They're not doing a... Even though it sounds like they're doing a rage-. I will read you the exact definition. Okay. Canada

today is the national day of Canada. A federal statutory holiday celebrating the anniversary of July 1st in 1867, an act of the British North American Act. 1867, the Constitution Act 1867, which united three British colonies into a single country called Canada. Okay. There we go. That's pretty boring. So it's like these Canadians I'll get together. We just get together and get drunk basically. In red and white. Barbara is so happy right now. She has received, I don't know who's done it to you, but she has a can of Tim Horton's coffee. Yes.

And you have no idea how important this is to Canadians. There's like Tim Horton's coffee grounds. Can you have no idea how important this is to Canadian. It's like Tim Horns coffee grounds. Can you make your own? It's yeah, ground coffee. Nice. It's like heaven sent to me. I love Tim Horns and I'm sure every Canadian listening will relate. It's like our national pride basically other than hockey. He loved Tim Horns coffee. Yeah, they do. I mean the first time I went to Toronto I went with you I got dragged to that fucking important to get coffee and timbits timbits right which are like they're gonna hold and ice caps people like to feed people Oh, yeah, I think I got ice cap that's what we're giving was ice caps and timbits and it was a very important Introduction for us into Canadian culture. Yeah, so I want to stick stuff back here for a second What is it about July? How many other countries have independence or

What is it about July? How many other countries have independence or celebrations like that in July? Because like off the top of my head like now that I know Canada there's the United States France has best deal day, right? Which was I think you know the week after what like July 10th or so Like is there something about the summer months that incites people to revolution? I mean they'll just go outside more. Let's find out because then we'll find out if like if there's an Australia day Is it in the winter? Yeah, yeah, the equivalent of our winter. Yeah. I mean, I know there's some things that just prove that's how it's true. Like, you know, the most recent Arab spring happened obviously in the spring. But I wonder how much of a coincidence is it maybe it seems

weird. I wonder how much of an effect weather has on people's, you know, like mental state and well-being and whether or not it contributes to regime change. Australia day, formerly known as anniversary day or foundation day. This should be like January, if it's the equivalent. Is the official national day of Australia celebrated annually on January 26th? Look at that! What is that? What is that? The day commemorates the arrival of the first fleet at Sydney Cove in 1788 in the proclamation at the time of British sovereignty over the eastern seaboard of New Holland. I think we're on a something. We are.

I think he was more holiday and they wanted the summer. So they just pick whatever the hell they want. Yeah, but that we know. It's based on historic events. It's based on revolutions and keep being pissed off. Right. It does show up. What I'm saying is over the course of the first year of a country, you can cherry

pick a date that'll fall into the summer. There's probably a lot of shit that went down that you could say is this was important. ours is obviously a document was signed, you know, and that's a big one. But we could very well declare like they did was the day that the pilgrims landed on a planet rock as being true the first day. But I mean ours is revolution, the day that. Yeah, this true. I mean, also now think about it.

Mexico, if you think about it, September 16th, it's at the end of summer, but it's still because that marks the end of the war, not the beginning. That's true. Yeah, it's really weird. It's yeah, it's weird. May says hot summer months, man. People are upset. I can't imagine how stinky that.

The worst Congress. They're like that. Like all those dudes in that room, right? You know, the wigs on. Right, the Declaration of Independence. Yeah. I think about that sometimes. How stinky that Like they're like that like all those dudes in that room writing you know their wigs on right the declaration Dependence yeah, I think about that sometimes I thought I was the only one who I wonder sometimes how much the past stank Like these things probably didn't shower Either yeah, but if you time travel like that something you think about imagine if you time travel back to

Like oh, I'm gonna get to the declaration of independence signing. You walk in, you're like, what the fuck, people take some showers. I'm not sure it was fucking right. I don't know why I think about this a lot. It's like the first lane party. Oh, okay. They're all getting together and riding back then. Is it an empty-game game?

Oh, I know. I think of which. We're going to Pax East. Yes. We should probably talk about that. Well, Pantle is Friday at 1 p.m. in the main theater. Was it Paxi? We literally segwayed from Stinky Smart P.

No, no, no, our guys. Just a good kiss mark guys. Yeah, and our booth is booth number 160. Yes. Oh, and we have yet to make an announcement about it. But there's an important thing about our booths that is part of our anniversary week. We haven't talked about the fact that we're nine years old What's that third grade?

That is third grade. Yeah, it's Barbara when you join I was 15 15 years old when I signed up on the website. I was 23 I think I was 50 So I was backwards. I actually was telling Barbara that there was a couple times when I almost removed her account. Yeah, why? Yeah, because she was below our age limit at the time. I don't know if you had an age limit back then.

I think it was it was nebulous. It used to be 13, I think initially. It started at 16 and then went to 13. Oh, is that how it worked? Yeah, like we followed like the rules of like Common social media rules. Yeah, and Yeah, the first time I was a ruder because I thought it was fake Yeah, because you put up a bunch of pictures of

Girl on this website, which is very unusual Yeah, and it was recently thing everybody's friend all of a sudden and we've had had one or two fake accounts like that No one or two. Yes Has happened or two fake accounts like that. No. One or two? Yes. That's it has happened. One or two thousand. Um, anyway, so, uh, so as part of PAX East, we're going to be doing something cool at our booth that ties in very closely to the podcast and it's an announcement about some stuff that we're working on. It ties into the beta and some other stuff that we can make sure.

It couldn't possibly be more vague. So enjoy. Yeah, but it is related to the podcast coming soon. This is something that we've been working towards and working on for months now. People are gonna hear this on Wednesday and we're gonna talk about it on either Thursday or Friday this week because Barbara's in charge of schedule when the announcements are. Yes, on the on the front page and so it'll be either Thursday or Friday. Yeah, what is it? You almost got me. Almost. Almost fooled me. But yeah, if you're gonna be at PAX East you will see it booth number 160 160 right next to mega 64 like always shut up

You know what that reminds me because you say shut up when people sneeze yeah The thing that I've probably watched more than anything else Like you were talking about watching RVB a hundred times I have probably watched Seinfeld in total completion more than anything than I've watched anything, ever. And I'm always amazed when I find a new episode of Seinfeld that I have never seen before. Like occasionally it's one of the stages on air. Tidally from the first season when it was fucking terrible.

Yeah, it was awful. Did you know when the waitress talked and was like a character? When Kramer was a guy who never left his apartment. And he wasn't called Kramer. What was he called? Kessler. Kessler. Yeah.

What? You know that? Oh, no. I think that's only the pilot, right? That's not it. That's not it. Yeah. The pilot.

I'm not sure Elaine was in the pilot either. No, because the character was the waitress was the female character in the pilot. And it was totally different coffee shop. Yeah. And it was terrible. It looked like a set of, uh, save by the bell. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Where's Axis Diner? Diner they eat in. So I've looked up, I've looked up Independence Day's for, uh, the, save by the bell Yeah, yeah, yeah, where the access diner diner that you did so I've looked up I've looked up independence dates for all the countries

Okay, and I'm just gonna read off dates Afghanistan is August 19th. It's over Angola it's always summer in Algeria is July 5th. That's really interesting And Tiguah this is breaking the trend here in the equator though. It's November 1st. So you're going to go down this alphabetically? I'm not. I'm just going to go down this alphabet. July 5th is Cape Verdi, where the fuck is Cape Verdi?

That's... I mean, when they're independent from Portugal, how hard can that be? Let's be honest. It's like a break up. It depends on what year it happened. There were certain centuries where Portugal was fucking badass. How does Cape Verdi declare independence from Portugal? It's just like basically you unfriend them on Facebook?

That's it. Alright, peace out. Look, Spain is my friend. Don't talk to them. Maybe the two sides. When you mentioned Algeria and maybe think about this, what? This is blew my mind. Cuba's independence is May 20th. Cuba declared independence from what country?

Up. What? I don't know. The United States. I guess we had Batista in power. So Cuba, Cuba was a United States territory. It wasn't a territory. I think I thought we were just propping up Batista, like, you know, as was the style at the time. Cuba, Cuba, independent United States, 92. This is according to Wikipedia. So this could be written by... Someone could have just added that right now. Yeah. That's true. Well, this is the podcast. Well, listen to us record it. The Philippines declared independence from Philip. So I did that. Have you ever heard of that 23 and me thing? No, it's a service. It's a website where you can

You pay them and then you they send you a little vile you spit into it and then they sequence your DNA Okay, and then they give you like information about yourself. It is called 23 and me. Yeah for 23 chromosomes. Got you 23 chromosome pairs and so I did it. They sent me the, the tube, I spit into it. And then they tell you like where your ancestry comes from. What disease is your at risk for? What disease is your not at risk for? And what kinds of drug interactions you'll have with various pharmaceuticals? Get out of here. Wow. Really interesting. It's, uh, it's like 99 bucks for the test, but then you have to sign up for one year subscription. So total it's about 200 bucks Why you have sign up for subscription. What are they? They keep get big big continue to do research. It takes you information James change just a way for them to give you to milk more money out of it. Yeah, basically 23 and me Wow, but it's really fascinating. So I found out that

My my paternal lineage for my father is from North Africa. Really? Morocco and Algeria. No wonder you don't look like that in Mexico. So I guess from the very specifically from the Berbers. They're known for their carpet, harps. Favorite, that could stand out. It was really fucking fascinating. Back back. I should do that because actually my parents are adopted.

So we don't really know where they're from. My mom's adopted. If you're a female, it kind of sucks because you don't have a Y chromosome so you can't really trace your paternal lineage. But if you're a dude it rocks. Awesome. So you should check it out. I'm going to go.

After this I'll show you the breakdown and everything. Did you know the Calico cats are patterned that way because they're all female because the color gene is on the X chromosome and it has to choose which one to randomly to express. Like one becomes dominant when it becomes, well is that so essentially? Calico the orange one to the, no the spotted ones, the white ones with the gray or the brown and the black spot. Oh gotcha. So this is my, when I was pre-med student, this is something I learned about. And so all Calico cats are, are, um, female. And so if they, so the, the X chromosome, so they have the double chromosome the same the just randomly has to choose which one to express and so that's why they end up with the pattern

that they have so as well and all white cats are deaf I think that's right what's that most white cats are deaf weird I don't think that makes you it's not urban legend though okay how does that even work well it might not I don't know I don't know I'm not gonna going to try to explain it. That is crazy. Oh, I type on white cats, you're dead, and I got a really horrible. Death white cats. Death odd-eyed white cats. Death white cats are domestic cats with a pure white coat. Some white coats suffer from general deafness caused by degeneration of the inner ear.

Condition associated with white cats with blue irises. Wow. This is really weird. So you know there's a lot of cats that have, what is it, heterochromia in the eyes, what eye is green and what eye is blue. The ear on the blue side is deaf. Really? So is this a problem associated with blue-eyed cats?

I guess white blue-eyed cats are deaf. I have something to tell you. I'm deaf. I'm both ears deaf. What? What? What? This condition is associated with blue eyewitnesses. In white cats with mixed-colored eyes,

it has been found that deafness is more likely to affect the ear on the blue eyed side. That is so weird. I saw, I got dirt in that cat. That's a dirt-peel-looking cat. Man, I saw a video, not too long ago, where they found this kid in China. I think he has cat eyes. Oh, yeah

Like where the people kind of goes like no, no like he can see in the dark. He can see in total darkness What the like a cat? It's crazy. And his eyes are reflective. He is pure night vision How did that even happen? I think I would burn you used to say that if there's gonna be a superhero what it's gonna come from like China or India It's got to you probability wise one third of the population lives next door to each other Yeah, two different countries if we have a genetic mutation. It's coming on to one of those countries Mark your words now you said they were reflective. I read the same story Well people were noting that they never showed the reflectiveness of his eyes like a cat when he catch him in the headlights Their eyes glow. They're saying the kid does the same thing, but they never done

They never showed a picture. Yeah, no, no, I saw a video and you could see it. They put them in the dark and then you look at it. I forget what the YouTube video is, but it was on YouTube and there was a news report about them. It's so funny. I'm in the dark. That would be so fucking awesome. I don't remember the specifics of the article. Does it have poor daylight vision or anything?

Is there a side effect? No, he was completely normal. He just could see in the dark. He just had cat eyes. Yeah. Wow. He sharpened his fingernails in the couch. But that's bad.

He's perfectly normal. Have you ever seen that video of that cat barking? Yeah. OK, when it realizes the camera's there, it starts now. That's fine. That's fine. It's like a shit. Yeah.

No, it's just with cats here. No dogs. That's insane. I didn't think it was like talking shit! I was like, shit! This is what cats hear! No dogs! I didn't think it was like talking shit to the neighborhood dogs. I didn't even need to be a dog. It was like spying or something. Exactly. I love when animals get caught doing stuff.

Like, I love when an animal trips and it's like, what the fuck does that have to do with it? It has the same reaction that people have. Where like, looks around like, what? They might see that. They just try trying to nonchalantly walk away. Yeah. Man, there's a brutal video that I saw because animals probably don't want to be seen tripping because they be tripping. They be tripping.

They think that's the same trip and they hate. Oh, geez. But, did you see the video of the buffalo escaping from the wolves? Buffalo escape. It's just, it is is it is heard evolution or the herd mentality in action where there's a buffalo and they're all escaping from these wolves and one of them is lagging a little bit and another buffalo

comes over and knocks it over. Oh yeah yeah it like just cramples that shit. Yeah it's like yep you're getting this guy yeah and so then the rest of the herd just runs off. Wow. It makes me think of that other video that awesome one for the lions attack the buffalo then the Elegators get involved and the buffalo come back to attack the lions It's all over this one baby buffalo The lions attacked the baby buffalo right right and then they get it too close to water and the algae is like we want it on They so they like get up and they start trying to trying to fight the alliance for the baby buffalo and then the mother buffaloes or the adult buffaloes come back and like, fuck everybody and we

want our buffalo back. And they go beat the lion's and the gout ears and maybe back. Wow. Like one of them, I think head butts align and like sends it flying in the air. It's fucking crazy. It's like a 10 minute long video, but it's like so riveting. I've never seen the Planet Earth series. Yeah, I've seen, I mean, not all of it. That's really long, right? No, there's definitely a lot of video of like actual, like, people, not people, obviously.

Animals like killing each other and really epic battles. Pretty sad. It's awesome. Yeah, but there's some of it that's kind of like, there's one where it's like, they must film, is it a, is it a hyena chasing another animal? The baby almost like a deer or a gazelle?

That thing must chase the gazelle like three fucking miles. Yeah, it's like it's just not gonna I think there's one of wolves attacking elephants. Wolves attacking elephants. Or actually an actual wolf. It's something attacking elephants where they like try to take down the elephant and they actually like Catch a little baby elephant. That'll probably be hyenas probably probably No wolves in Africa. I don't't know I don't know about that but I think of wolves as being like a North American thing maybe it was hyenas I don't know it was something if you had a canter one animal in the wild what would be the one animal that you wouldn't

want to let's say let's keep it on land let's keep it on land there's a lot there's a bit I picked one what's the worst one my big fear and I don't know why I'm always afraid of Wild cats like yeah, it's gonna lie. I would say I would say Tiger yeah, or tigers yeah, dude money. I saw an animal online a picture of an animal that you would love It's basically half leopard half black panther and it's like the leopard spots like they wait It isn't isn't a panther just a leopard that's covered entirely in spots is that what it is no I think they're I think they're distinct I think there's more differences but they're both I mean they're both so similar to both cats that's what about you what's your what's your most feared animal

um I probably tigers are fucking they can jump like 20 feet in the air yeah I probably would not you know I, I could fight any animal kind of thing. That's because I feel like I'm smart any animal. I would not want to fight probably a pack of chimps or I would not. Ooh, that's a good one. Or individually, I would not want to fight a silverback gorilla. I would not, I would avoid that if I couldn't. Oh, Jesus, yeah. That's a good one too. Yeah, because it's smart and it's got basically the same maneuvers that I do.

I would not want to fight. But it's stronger. Yeah, and way meaner. Like, yeah. And pir like yeah and piranhas We should keep it on land. Yeah, but I just had to bring that up because piranhas are fucking creepy as hell I don't know if I'd rather be in the water the shark or whale if you guys have ever been bitten by dog Yeah, I think the by the I'm sure the kid I must go dog dogs don't scare me at all I don't give shit about dogs like even like rockwilers. No, I'm not scared of a dog

I remember I had to wrestle a rotwil on a white one You do actually yeah, I think it bit me on the arm. I was I was really small, but it's It sucked because you then you get have to get disinfected Yeah And I think they were boys misinterpreted my comment here that I've made about fighting animals is that I'm not saying I can someone Misinterpreted your comment on a pod I'm not saying a lot of times I can I'm saying I could survive like I could keep the animal I did one time I think I must

have been like 11 I smack the dog my skateboard was like you do that was chasing me oh you were being a 10 I mean just like you changed the to, I defended myself with my skateboard. I was supposed to like smack. I was being mauled by a dog. And fought it off with my skateboard. I'm trying to find this animal for you that I saw. So what's a land animal? Barbara, not kind of proud of it. You would be notified.

What's your most feared land animal? Most feared land animal. Because we're going to get one in a cage and put it by your desk. I probably have to agree with you guys some sort of giant cat like a type. Actually after Bernie said like gorillasillas that's pretty scary too. Like there are some pretty. I feel like. Wow that's cool. That's really cool looking.

And the problem with the cat though versus a gorilla that I say can't paint there. You could be getting stalked for a long time and not know it. A gorilla you generally know if it's there and where it's coming from. A tiger or a cat will wait. Sneak up on you you Sneak up on you you wouldn't even know I Also wouldn't want in the same sense I would not want to be like in the Amazon and have like a giant python drop on me. Oh, that would suck balls pretty bad Yeah, that would be pretty bad So what is like we last time we talked about like what's your crazy

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It was something that was going to be worked on and then got canned and the animator who worked on it, put it out as a demo reel. Yeah, and I never heard of that growing up and I think like it's a kid I'll be like wow, you know, I was so into feather cats like that would be a big deal Wait, people can do that like can project. No, we got they got taken down Like he was not supposed to I thought so because there's stuff I can't post from stuff. I've worked on I saw something the other day that blew my mind And I want to get back to your fear in a second here by where I want to hear this but

somebody posted I never did this existed. Did you read the far side Gary Larsen's the far side? Of course, did you know there was two TV specials made fully animated hour long TV specials by him? No, there were far side TV specials. No, I never Want to get the penguin? 98 98 yeah, and they're online and you can watch the Far Side TV special. What? I never heard of it.

I never heard of it. What was that? Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, was there a penguin in that? Yeah, there was one with penguins. Let's see, wasn't there a Christmas one with him? What? Far Side. So confused right now.

Television. You blew my mind. Hot cast listeners, you have no idea what this is. I'm there with you. Pales from the far side 1994 so it was a little bit wrong, but still 94. I mean that's when you said that that sounds a little more familiar But no, I just know where I thought I would remember that. Yeah, you watch it and it's it's it's the far side It's an animated version of the far side Which probably how do you take one panel and make 22 minutes out of it?

I don't know. You know it's really weird too. Calvary Hobbs gets a ton of credit of being like the penultimate comic strip. I love Calvary. The far side was tremendous. I mean it was a one panel comic and they were all fucking winners. They was brilliant absurd cartoon. I love both of those comics growing up and they both ended about the same time. Yeah within the year or two of each other Yeah, I hate those stickers. I see you Calvin being on shit It's like I know. Why do people make that? Yeah, the guy who made Calvin and Hobbs really hates them Yeah, cuz he never licensed it in any way really if you ever see a Calvin and Hobbs product It's bootleg. He never licensed he never licensed Calvin Hobbs to anybody t-shirts

Maybe he said t-shirts today on the mall. He never likes it. Only books. That's it. Wow That's it. That sucks. I had a girlfriend in college. She actually made a Hobbs that was like a rag doll Hobbs, but then you could turn it inside out and it was the like live Hobbs like the Closing hair. That's really cool. And I thought man, this would be an awesome fucking product. Yeah, that's really cool Yeah, so it's smooth on one side like the doll in the thing. And then you could flip it in terms of like the teddy bear like live hops. You know, it was still teddy bear, obviously. Didn't come to life. Just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just. Oh, wait. Oh, maybe. I caught the last three seconds of it in the Achievement Hunter office. Oh, did you really? Yeah. That's it.

What, pretty as an animated movie? And no, it's sort of, it kind of sort of. So it's got an animated character in it, but it's a more well-bred live action movie. And as a kid, he had a wish, and he wished that his teddy bear would come to life. And now he has to live with his teddy bear for the rest of his life as like this.

It's like his buddy, and it's kind of like his loser friend that like his lives would fit in the teddy bear. It's his teddy bear. That sounds like of like his loser friend that like his little is like a teddy bear. It's a teddy bear. That sounds like a fun concept. Yeah, it's a pretty funny concept, you know. And so, you know, he wasted his way through his wish. But it's not really like the Triller doesn't really discuss that too much. It's all just like this guy living who lives with a teddy bear, everybody's kind of accepted.

And the teddy bear's been there through like college, puberty. Yeah, I tell it like, wow. There's like your old friend's like, hey, can you get your, can you get Ted to move out? Like she doesn't like him. So it's like coming between him and his lifelong friend, you know, and like the struggles of that. Yeah. That is funny.

It's just like, it sounds funny. It is. It is. It's that McFarlane plays Ted, the Teddy bear. But it could be like a, it's like basically like a Seth Rogan type character. So does he sound like Brian or does he sound like Stewie? He sounds like Stewie a little bit.

Yeah. So who plays the guy? Mark Walbert. Mark Walbert. And then his girlfriend is Mil Kunis. Oh, nice. I watch that movie. I watch that movie too.

I like Mil Kunis. Yes. I like it. I think everybody likes Mil Kunis. There's a little bit of problem. We've talked about her before in the podcast. Yeah. She's going to come on, right?

Yeah, hopefully. All right. Right. Because if you just mentioned it, then it happens. You're going to say that if you say her name enough to show up. She's Yeah, just like say invited to prom or something. So what is your biggest fear? Your I don't know if I have any irrational fears or like just I like I'm pretty normal in my fears Yeah, I when I was a kid I was really afraid of fire because we were shown a video in school about house fires and how like it happens to like one out of

Every three people or something like that So I was just like I had nightmares about our house burning and me being on fire but that's totally gone now and I'm a little bit afraid of like mutated humans like all these all these movies I see like what do you mean you two humans like define this for me like zombies I don't need to laugh I mean it's like this is a jamin for you it's like it's like it's crazy to stuff your brain which is what you're possible would you freak out if you saw someone with six fingers on their hand? No, not not that kind of you know like a normal mutation. I mean like zombified like

rabid kind of They're gonna eat me kind of human That I'm really afraid of because that to me seems like it's possible in the future. Okay. What's your rational fear? Oh, it's hard to say I guess I'm kind of just afraid in general like end of the world stuff like A giant solar flare wipes out the planet. Yeah, like for actual possible cataclysm Yeah, yeah, like the stuff you never see coming what's like we're talking about the planet It's like as crazy like you have all these silly like sci-fi movies like the machines rise You know or zombies come climb out of graves or whatever

You know or zombies climb out of graves or whatever theoretically it is it is on the scale of probability It could happen the aliens to show up and tomorrow were at war fighting aliens and the world is telling different and the day after that were I guess I kind of like pretty much think I'm afraid is what's kind of neuron ray and I mean we all just like it paralyzed Right and starved it. Yeah, so I guess you could say I'm afraid of the future right in Star Media. Yeah, so I guess you could say I'm afraid of the future. Yeah, I get that. What if they show up and going back tied into our other conversations, they show up and they don't recognize us as life. Yeah.

Like this in the US and they just do something to the world that destroys it for us, but to them it's like, yeah, whatever. There's nothing on there anyway. Yeah, there's nothing you can recognize. I'll come here to harvest energy, you're right. I'll make it to the energy. I worry a lot about the future in general, because of not just for myself, I mean, just future generations. Like, what do they have going for them?

What is your kid? What are your kids looking forward to and stuff? And what kind of future are they going to have? Well, my kid specifically is looking forward to Halo 4. So he's got that going. He's got attainable goals. Yeah. Yeah.

My big irrational fear, like that, it's like in time realm of possibility besides zombies, is that something will go wrong and I will end up in prison. Because I don't want to go to prison. I live a life where it's like I have no reason to go to prison. That is what you're most creative. That's fucked up. That would suck. There's that dude up in Marvel. Look at me. Please don't do anything. This guy up in Round Rock, who just got released from prison after being in prison for 25 years, because they thought he killed his wife. And then they just realized that he didn't. from prison after being in prison for 25 years because they thought he killed his wife and then

they just realized that he didn't. Oh my god. You haven't heard this? There's a big controversy that the prosecutors covered up evidence and didn't provide evidence that would have acquitted him to the defense. How is it possible? How is it possible that you don't read more stories of revenge? Like, like I would fucking kill everybody associated with my trial. Yeah. It's actually going to wait 25 years. I think they sentenced him and they'd like take it in the jail. He's like handcuffed and he's like to tell the camera to think, please don't do this. Please don't do this.

I didn't do it. Wow. Oh my god, that's so sad. There was a story just posted on Reddit. And it probably got to the top of Reddit for other reasons. But there was a guy who was just released. Bap, bap, bap, bap, bap, bap, bap. Enter the more part of the podcast. This is not so. This is not really more of a, I mean, this is kind of a fucked up deal that ties you a lot of other issues. just released pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up pop up won't be facing any charges. Kennedy, who said she lied because she was disappointed her father at her parents' divorce, said it was guilt that finally compelled her to come

forward to police and admit that she lied that her father raped her as an 11-year-old. Thomas Edward Kennedy gets on her father to nine the allegations at the time but was convicted during 2002 and has been imprisoned for 15 years. 15 years. So he just got out of 15 years because his low-neural daughter was mad at him. What? Oh my god. It's pretty fucked up. That's pretty fucked up. That's pretty fucked up. That's crazy.

Yeah, that's a good fear to have. Yeah, we're in a prison for no reason. Yeah, going to prison. My wife had the best, she has the best irrational fear ever. What is it? She stuck with it for, she said this to me like seven years ago and I'm like, that's crazy. Crazy.

Her irrational fear is she doesn't want to see a ghost. Okay. She doesn't want to see a ghost because she doesn't believe in ghosts and if she sees a ghost, that means she's crazy. So I said, so your fear is that you'll go crazy. She goes, no, I'm afraid I'll see a ghost So you're afraid of ghosts no ghost don't exist if I see a ghost that means I'm crazy It's like why not be afraid you're gonna see a walking shark

These deathly afraid of ghosts I've seen a ghost because that means she's at me. Crazy. Okay. And I also thought that all male dogs should wear pants. She does still think that. She doesn't like seeing dog chunks. Oh my goodness.

So she thinks all male dogs should have to wear pants. But that like a banana hammock. That doesn't have to. The death influence your new dog choice, I mean, they don't mail dogs. You don't have to wait like a banana hammock. I don't know. I'm not having it. Oh, that influence your new dog choice, being a girl. No, no, that was a really good dog. Oh, yeah. So, all right, well, we need to wrap it up.

We're going to talk about packs. Like, what are we showing? So, we're working on a very cool stuff at packs. We're going to have an ounce of upcoming shows. We are also going to talk about Red vs Blue season 10 Possibly release dates and maybe even show you some badass stuff Monty and crew have been working on which is really really really really awesome and crew is right now Busting ass busting ass. They are awesome. They are there. They're in the studio. Just kicking ass. I did the previous

Busting over the last few months, but now I can relax a bit. Is it new to me? Having a crew? I know you're actually not at sleep and you're not at your desk. You're like, you know, you're going to be, you're going to have to see. I actually get to do stuff like exercise. The animation department went from Monty to then Monty and said last year where Monty had an assistant that worked with them said and now this year it's Nine people total the animation department. Yes, and let me take it shows. Yeah, yeah, it really shows I saw some stuff. It looks amazing. I've intentionally avoided looking at anything. It's awesome

I don't want to see it until until it's it's more polished are we allowed to say who's all gonna be a pecs? Sure, why not? I couldn't tell you off the top of my head. I thought, I thought, what the fuck is this? It's gonna be us four. What do we have? That's Bernie, me, Monty, Carrie. Carrie, Gavin, Matt Gavin.

Michael's going, but not as it were. And not as an employee. Not as an employee. Michael and Lindsay will be there walking around. I believe Brian will be there. Brian will be there. And I want people with Matt Brian. Brian's team.

Yes, he is our director. So if you want to see the ensemble of Rooster Teeth, or half of what it is currently. And if you want to see something very cool related to the podcast, it will be a patch. Although people can't get passes apparently, this late, because it's what, this weekend. And it probably sold out.

I think they sold out. I think they sold out. I know they announced the last of their Friday passes last week, and I think those are gone now show up in a costume They will let you in yes, right that is that's the for everything So again our panel is at 1 p.m. In the main theater Friday first the keynote then my Jerry warm up the crowd for us 1 p.m. In the theater if you keep making that joke there. We're gonna lose our spot It's a great spot. It's a it's awesome. One game for the radiator. If you keep making that joke, there we're gonna lose our spot. It's a great spot. It's a prime spot.

It is. It's amazing that we get such a good spot in the theater. And it's always so grateful that we're programmed. It's like being a major league closer, basically. Yeah. It's awesome. You get to come in and like after game and TICO and the keynote have like basically won the game and like,

we're just here to make sure it doesn't completely fuck up. Yeah, you know, we have to throw like eight pitches. That's it. And we're off. But we have some very, very, very cool stuff to show. Same place as last year, the New Hines Center of Austin. I think so. Yes, yes, that's the first.

Our panel is once again Friday, what time? 1 p.m. main theater. Remember that Friday 1 p.m. so it's early on Monday, our Friday. So if you wanna, if you wanna get in and see what're showing, the RBB stuff, that's where we're going to be showing you is at our panel. We are so going to eat lobster when we get there. And come by, stuff.

And we're going to eat lobster. And we're going to eat lobster. And Monty had the best like where we're going for lunch. We're going to eat lobster apparently. Okay. Once again, we're going to have a word of warning here. Monty Barber, thank you for joining us. Gus and I are about to start a mass effect spoiler cast

where we will be talking about the mass effect franchise, including the ending of the most recent game. I will be listening to that. So don't listen if you're not interested and joining us on that will be someone associated with Red versus Blue as well. One of our new writers Eddie Revis and he'll be joining us to be a Skype to talk about it as well. And before we go, we'll bring Adam in as well. Okay, we will tell you before we start. Marble one more thing. Yes, I have two more things to announce. One, we are having a sale on our store 10% off.

It lasts until April 7th. Enter the code sale aversory. And you receive 10% off everything. I came up with that code. That is cool. Who got this bell sale aversory? It was on purpose. It was on purpose.

It was on purpose. Let me make up a word that's hard to spill. And we have tons of new merchandise for you to choose from, including the Caboos hat, which is brand new. And it looks awesome. Gavin is modeling it, and he looks fantastic. He looks great in a hat. And also, we're having a community contest, two of them that will be posted on our website today. So you'll see it. Today being Wednesday or Tuesday.

We're still here yesterday. So, yesterday, check our page. Get cracking. All right. Thanks for listening. If you want to avoid spoilers, and now, I'm going to do even no 10-10. 9-8-7-6. The get-all-die. 3-8-7-6.

What? Great. All right. So welcome to the spoiler version, or the spoiler edition, of Ruchitef podcast. Spoiler cast. Spoiler cast. Spoiler cast.

Spoiler alert. Yeah. Joining us is Adam Baird. Hello is our server engineer here at Ruchitef. And Eddie Rivers, live from Houston, Texas. Eddie is also one of the new writers for RVB season 10. He helped us out with some of the scenes in the new season. So it's going to be really awesome. Eddie, thank you for joining us. Yeah, thank you for having me.

Okay, so after... So, we clear we are about to start talking about mass effects in a free form mode. We're not going to worry about spoilers or anything like that. Correct, so. So if you're not going to shit or you care about spoilers, do not listen any further. Okay, we're done warning you about that Okay, how many warnings now? So after you know all the outrage about the ending of Mass Effect 3 You know we all finished it so we decided to get together and talk about it I guess talk about the franchise as a whole and try to talk through some of these situations in about I just want to be clear why I'm qualified to talk about Mass Effect. I have 100% of the achievements in the first Mass Effect. I have 100% of the achievements in the Mass Effect 2,

including all the DLC that they put out, including Shadow Broker, which will become important, because there's some weird things with Shadow Broker that takes place in Mass Effect 3. So, and I'm on my way to getting 100% of achievements in Mass Effect 3, but getting 5,000 kills is going to take me a long time. It was multiplayer, it won't take as long as you think. But, yeah. But you actually have to get to kill, right? Yeah, I'm pretty sure, yeah. Yeah.

It's not an assist, but an actual kill. If you can get the M99 Saber and Multiplayer, you can be pretty good. That's like a little hand cannon, a soul soul rifle sniper rifle thing that just takes guys out like nobody's just just level like once you get a high enough level going on bronze and solo uh... you get all the kills and it's just wave after wave as long as you can survive you're fine and you just get huge amounts of kills that's a good point

that's a very good thing about that i mean each way to get ten to twenty right uh... it depends on the way if it gets you know exponentially worse. Yeah, they definitely Shows up or something big and you're getting less kill. Yeah, so the DLC that I got from Mass Effect 3 the From Ashes. Mm-hmm. That gave me the Prothian rifle. Yes. That's awesome. New well, that gave you the From S. Effect 2 or Mass Effect 3. Mass Effect 3. Yeah, that gave gave you the profan though like the book and rightful side that there was a profan which okay i think this about the mass effect

the profan job yeah seems critical for the narrative like he was in the i took on every mission it's the time i wanted to see what he had to say it's you you're ending the mass effects trilogy the main story the pro things are very important that

and he had a lot of stuff to say Well those cutscenes. I don't know where the information would have come across if you didn't have it Gus did you get the DLC? Yes, did anyone not get the DLC? So we have we have we have no idea what the game plays like I did from no DLC I took some point every fucking So did I see what his comments were and see what insight he had into the way things had gone One of my friends and a lot of it was hilarious. One of my funniest interactions with him was when they told him the Silerians were advanced now. He said, they fly.

They fly. And he did set up like he was important to you because once getting to the end now, once you discover the catalyst and what the ultimate system was of the universe for the galaxy He kind of Set you up for that because he kept constantly talking about the advanced races of the galaxy as though they were you know Mud dwelling little species and that that was really important I mean it's we all knew they came up through evolution You know and they took the place of the Prothians, but he was talking about it from perspective

I remember you guys you were worthless and we took the place of the Protheons, but he was talking about it from perspective. I remember you guys, you were worthless and we were not, he didn't know what it's like, but we were harvested and you guys weren't for a very specific reason. Right. So I don't know if you didn't have a DLC, you wouldn't get that part of the story, you know. Right. It seems like you would need that, you would need that set. Yeah, it seemed critical. And the funny, the weird thing about the DLC is, you know, there was also a day one DLC character in Mass Effect 2. It was the Zaheed, the bounty hunter? Yeah.

But that came with the game if you bought it new, didn't it? Maybe he's about to collect just an edition. I'm pretty sure if you bought it new, because I bought Mass Effect 2, like a year after it came out, I didn't have time to play it when it first released. And when I bought Mass Effect 2, I bought just a used copy for like ten bucks at a game stop somewhere. And when I signed online, it was like, just a used copy for like ten bucks at a GameStop somewhere. And when I signed online, it was like, you don't have access to half of this stuff. So I ended up having to buy like a fifteen dollar sub-error from that work.

And that's where the heed came from. And then all this other stuff, and of course when I started playing it, there was like a hundred DLC for it already. Well, what I was just saying about these characters specifically is that you know, Zayed was the day one DLC in Mass Effect 2 and I felt like his character wasn't fleshed out very much. It didn't seem relevant. You talked to him on the ship There was never a cutscene. It didn't matter if you had him or not. The prosy all text. Right. It was all text. That's a good point. The prosy in on the other hand, you had plenty of interaction with him and he had lots of interaction that was fleshed out with the other characters. I felt like that was already included.

They obviously worked a lot more in that character and built it out a lot more than the day one DLC and Mass Effect 2. So real quick, who did you guys save initially? Ashley or Kano? What's the name of this thing? Kano. Kano. I saved Ashley, so he was gone for my stuff.

I saved Ashley. Yeah, I saved Ashley as well. I had playthroughs with both on the playthrough. I played Mass Effect 3 most recently. I saved Ashley as well. I see. I had playthroughs with both on the playthrough I played Mass Effect 3 most recently I saved Ashley. Okay. Good.

It doesn't even enter like my realm of like possibility that Kaden can even be alive in Mass Effect 3. I'm not aware of anyone who actually saved him. It was the option of like boobs or just a dude and it's like no. One's gonna win. Well my kid plays Mass Effect and he avoids the romance option that he would not believe. In fact, when it came down to saving Tally or the Geth, he's like, she might want a romance.

I'm like, is that really gonna be your decision whether or not you destroy a race of sentient machines? He loved the Geth, he loved them. Like, he built Lego Geth. And so he saves the Geth. He didn't want to potentially have to romance Tally. He knew our romance day.

Oh, see, it was very much the other way for me. I ended up getting to that decision where it was like, you know, are we... What did he say? Do we have a soul? The Vi? No, no, the... Does this one have a soul? Yeah, that's what it is.

And I sat there for like five minutes going, oh God. And this is like, this is the decision that is going to completely remove this race, or I have to pick sides. And I sat there for like 5 minutes, and then I was like, I've been romancing Tally since the first game. Well, I guess I have to kill the guy. Then what time is it the same? I would bring up the guide.

Like I hit the guide button on my 360 controller to like stop it. OK, what am I going to do? Same. Yeah, it's like, what am I going to do? Same. Yeah, it's like, okay, I try to think through the ramifications of the different options to be like, okay, this is the right choice. Yeah. Did any of you guys have the, did any of you guys lose the Koreans?

I did. You did? Yeah. I decided to go to death. Yeah, I decided to get. Did Tally commit suicide? Yes, she did. She did like the Nesty plunge off the cliff that we were standing on when I made the war. Yeah, I decided with the death. Did Tally commit suicide? Yes, she did. She did like the Nesty plunge off the cliff that we were standing on when I made the decision.

Yeah, on the Nesty Plunge. We had the old school reference. On ours, I cited with the Koreans and there's a scene where the Legion is really upset with you. And like you think of that that construct is being Legion as well. Well it had the hole in the torso where the hologram is filling it in but it was it wasn't a real thing it was it was that was a hologram that get that was following you around. No, no. The part I mean there is a part where you go into what I can only call like the matrix or something like that.

Yeah. Yeah. And by the way, that's exactly what system engineering looks like. That's what I do all day. Yeah, that's all that. That was the stuff. Run around with a gun. Run, Legion.

Like you think of the get as software that create these physical parts. Right. Yes. Well, anyway, when you're up there and you have to make the decision, you know, do you side with the geth or do you side with the coreans, when you say, I'm essentially going to let the geth die, there's a moment where Legion just kind of looks at you stunned, I guess, or lagging, I guess, for computer robot terms. And then he just gets really upset and picks you up by your throat and puts you up over

the cliff And there is an awesome moment where like tally out of nowhere has just backstabs Legion and then Legion just like dies So am I the only one who got the geth and the core is to work together? You did not got that okay what yeah how are you like I guess there's a lot of trees you have to have gone through a massive one and two to get to the point where you have the option to have them Peacefully coexile. Yeah, I like from the beginning I've always just kind of played the anti-guess options. I'm romancing tally. So I felt like I couldn't after this game though.

I felt like I couldn't not help a guess. It was a hard decision, especially after watching the part in the virtual world where the Koreans kind of screwed them. Yeah, that's why I started with the GAT. Yeah, I felt really bad after watching that part and all of a sudden everything makes sense. And I'm just like, oh man, this is hard. Well, I fucked up because I saved the GAT and then chose the red ending where I eliminated all artificial light.

Get rid of the reposts and you were done with them. I have a question. You said you chose to destroy all tech option. That is correct. You did not choose to control the repers. That is correct. I know Adam and I chose that same option. Yes.

Eddie which option did you choose? I chose the green option. So to control the repers? No, that was the synthesis option. Yeah, we, they combine. Okay, third option. So, oh, so which option did you choose? Eddie?

Yeah, it was the green one. So we're combined. One of the colors, the blue ending, which is control the reapers, the red ending, which is destroyed the reapers in all artificial life. And then the combination one, which is green, where you give birth to a new race which is

part artificial and part organic. I have not experienced that one. I that one felt pretty natural to me especially after combining after like getting the geth and the coreans to work together it felt natural to say like oh like it seemed like the precursor to yeah like oh these things can co-exist. Yeah I thought, I guess you and I must have had a similar play style because we got the Gets, the Corians, to work together. And I thought long and hard about choosing that option. However, I felt like, after being motivated for so long

to stop the reapers into, like, it was just like, that was the overwhelming drive for my character. We have to destroy the reapers. Like, I've gone through all of this shit to not fulfill that. It's time to just let them die. It would be to fall flat. Blue was never an option for me. I have hovered between like red and green for a long time. Man I did not even, and again it will to explain is I thought I was a lot further

in the game yesterday. So I decided yesterday we have a big company meeting and, you know, we talked about doing a spoiler podcast and I was like, yeah, I'm, I think about 18 hours into the game, so I should be relatively close because the other two, my first two playthroughs of Mass Effect Wanted Mass Effect who took me about 20 hours, but I had, I'm always not scanning planets.

No, no, no, no. My first playthrough is to kind of beat the game and just kind of watch all the stuff. And then like when I go back I play on the hardest difficulty in sanity and do every single thing. Because when I play through on insanity it takes me a lot longer. And there are times when it's like I'm not playing this game for a week because those whatever level I'm stuck on is just terrible on insane mode. But so it becomes less enjoyable so I want to get the story first. Anyway, so they changed how you see your quests or what your active stuff is.

So apparently my first 18 hours was just doing like random other stuff and didn't realize this. So my son, he was finished with the game, almost finished. He had yet to make the choice between the Koreans and the guests. He had yet to make the choice. No, I hadn't even gotten tall yet. I had just finished Tachanka and was like, okay, I'm 18 hours in, surely. You're in just a couple of days. This is yesterday.

This is yesterday so so yet and and to top it off i mean we had uh... monday night's art star wars the old republic night's for me and my gild so i was rating until about eleven my time and then it was like okay let me go clean up mass effect and it was about three hours i was about two in the morning at this point when i was like i have no where to get i have made a great mistake and log on And it was about two in the morning at this point. When I was like, I have nowhere to use the end of this game. I have made a great mistake and log on it.

And then essentially, what happened is, at three in the morning, it was like, I'm now I'm just being stubborn, so I'd screw it and powered the rest of the game and beat it this morning at around 5 a.m. Um, to drink a coffee and come to work to do this podcast well yes i it at five a.m. I'm so delirious that i didn't even know there was a green option

i saw the two i saw the red and the blue options like okay but i think you're a bit worse uh... since we're on that that topic real quick though i want to find everybody he said is main romance and's main romance option was tally Who is your romaine romance tally? What about you Eddie? I did Miranda Why did Miranda I think I did Miranda in two I did I might be our place always my primary romance option I admit the Miranda thing with some disappointment because I decided I was like I'm gonna do I'm gonna do the

Liora romance because I like the idea of having the like Platonic friendship and then they kind of like hook up in the third game And I really liked that and then I had I had stuck with that too I was like I'm going to romance talent like not high a Liora and then the first cutscene with Miranda They've got the camera hovering like at butt level She asked like the very first question. She's like, are we still together? And I'm like, yep. What did I do? I had my out. You didn't take your out. I love it. What about you? Did you say

who yours was Bernie? Lear. Lear. Okay. Yeah. So my, my, do all the out. I love it. What about you? Did you say who yours was Bernie? We are okay. Yeah, so my my do all the games. I was always the R. I've had with all three of us had different Yeah, yeah, I like the way that they Did the reveal on tally's face finally in this game? I guess you saw it after she killed herself But in you know in the third game after you romance her she leaves you a picture by your bedside to remember her. I never saw Tally's face. You never saw it? I'd heard that after she...

I have not seen it, but I heard that after she commits suicide, that you just have the picture next to your bed in your cabin. I didn't see that, no. Yeah, and you can go pick it up and look at it. And it's just like a backlit photo. It's hard to see them show it very long. Yeah, but I never... I never went into my command. I was incredibly disappointed by it actually. Really?

I just felt like for the what is now, you know, I'm not quite a thousand, a thousand on all of mine, but I'm like 950. Yeah, it's like those last 10 achievements that are like use this random skill a thousand times. that are like use this random skill a thousand times and I'm just like I'm not going through to use Overload a thousand times You know to get those last achievement in the whole franchise are in Mass Effect 1 Yes, we have to play with two characters in all the missions. Yeah, yeah, you have to I'm splitting in three times Mass Effect 1 I think I have actually all of those. I just don't have like there's I think it's the biotic ones because I just don't enjoy the biotic class

What do you play? It's not a question. What do you play? I play soldier? What do you play? Soldier and Vanguard Vanguard, what do you play Eddie? Yeah, I always do soldier to start off like I do the kind of vanilla Whatever to start off RPGs and then future playthroughs. I make so I do Sentinel. I've always played Star. I've only ever played soldier. I've never played another class through on single player. Even though I've finished it multiple times in multiple characters, they've all been soldiers. I've seen it several times on soldier, I mean it several times on Vanguard. I've tried several times on just pure biotic, but I don't like being so dependent on my skills. I like having biotic charge and then having guns.

Everything else is irrelevant. It also helps for achievements when you can get to those things out of the way. You know, on playthrough. Yeah, like 100 pushes or, you know, pulls or whatever. Oh, I didn't consider that. Yeah, it helps, you know, and it's like, and we should count it for NPCs as well. Like I told the already slam about a thousand times Yeah, or singularity anyway putting this every time she does

Yeah, give me some fucking credit. Yeah, that's singularity is crazy Oh, yeah, it's just anybody got a singular to going and you're like picking down somebody's shields like you fucker watch What's about that? The thing will fly away. I love it, but okay, so before we get into the actual ending, let's talk about maybe some things that were, because three as a game is an ending, a long ending. And Tyco from Penny Arcade described it that way. It's great description. It absolutely is.

The whole time I was leaving the ending and hearing the fervor online, I was thinking, what are you complaining about? Because everything I've experienced so far is great payoff on everything I've had in the Mass Effect franchise. You know, the whole game is a series of endings. Yeah. Yeah, it is. Stuff with the... Even pretty much right off the bat. You get contacted by Rex. Yep. Or... I can't tell you the one. We're not re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re- who did not cure the genophage. Another fun. Even though those people have been foreboding

to take over the universe, it's like the first game. You know something, you know that Morton can actually live through like a crazy series of events there? I'm gonna play this game at home. I've heard that, like if you, in the next two or next, can Mass Effect One and then Eve dies in Mass Effect Three. Like I don't know if she has to die during the

Serbius infiltration in that one mission or on the route like during the Chonka mission, but she has to die, Rex, you have to have killed Rex, and then you don't tell anyone, like you don't tell anybody about the Jennifer's sabotage and then you wait till the final moment and then you have to like renegade, like use the renegade options on more than in that scene and then it'll convince him that it's worthless for him to go die for for the Jennifer H. Cure. Well, I was close to letting more than live them. I had a lot of I had a lot of those steps The whole time Eddie's explaining that what I heard was this is why Mass Effect it takes two discs Because there's all this stuff in here that I'll never get to, I don't think.

Well, I think that's part of the reason why some people are freaking out about stuff is that, you know, like, like in movies, like the best special effects or the ones that you don't see. And I feel like there's so much of that going on in Mass Effect 3 that people aren't even realizing that they're missing.

Like, I think everyone probably just assumes more than has to die. Yeah. But there's like all these crazy series events you can do to make all the use random things happen in the game. It's proof that it really is a fantastic franchise when four people who have played the game a borderline obsessive amount in Bernie's case a very obsessive amount. We all have very different experiences and we all have done very different things from that that has vast different vastly different effect on who you talk to. I have played I have played through so many times like to get all the

achievements that I ended up like I try to do it perfectly for instance Mass Effect 2 I had everyone survive the suicide mission on my first run but then I just went through and didn't care so you know it's we do it the opposite orders like my first playthrough is the one that I'm just like don't care at all skip everything like I beat Mass Effect 3 not a single person survived like it and and that was just it, just like everybody that. That's the 5A Ames Syndrome. Yeah. But, and then my second playthrough, like with Mass Effect 2, my first playthrough was the exact same way. I just played through got it and then I went to the end, I did the insanity run, and got saved everybody, and everything on my second playthrough. All I want is, I want the ending where Shepard beats the fuck out of the two people at the

security checkpoint when you're heading into the CIC. Oh god. That is all I want. I want that. You know where you're going? You know where you're going? You know where you're going? You know where you're going?

You know where you're going. You know where you're going. You know where you're going. You know where you're going. You know where you're going. You know where you're going. You know where you're going. You know where you're going. You know where you're going. You know where you're going. I don't think that's the old room like empty board room and then that security checkpoint over and over in the middle of this Well to begin with who puts a security checkpoint in the middle of a ship All the rest of the ship is unsecured area except for this one room in the very back that doesn't it

It's not like it's protecting weapons or anything like that What is it? No? It is the elevator. It's interesting. I was thinking about this last night when I was playing. There is something in every game that it just seems like the Achilles heel. That's like that one thing that it would have been perfect had they nailed this and it's different in every game. The first one is very much the elevator. Every time you have to go from you know in the citadel from like

the from from C-Sec all the way up to the very top it's like a 35 second just like listen to world global news and your companions do some little chatter or garrison right the only of each other yeah I never minded elevators in the first game I thought I thought it was kind of a clever you know that they were the, that they had the back and forth. See, I liked it the first three times, but like after a while, and after you go through and play, like once you've played it and beaten the game once, you get to the point where you've heard like your general companions chatter or you just don't care anymore. So it's 35 seconds of just sitting there watching your character stand there and you can't open you can't do anything if you open a menu it pauses Yeah, like it was just I have to wait and it was terrible and then the second was the second was the scanning for

You know having to go to every stinking plan and For element zero or whatever I liked it to but Adam played it like a year after launch By then it had been patched to speed up the scanning. Oh really? When you played the game at launch before the patch it was much slower This getting is something that evolved over the entirety of the franchise The first version is getting that in the first game was you got in the tank. It drove over the planet So you would for drive it much better than the Mass Effect one. That was, yeah.

Yeah, you would do any good to like get it, not drive around and out, but drive over it. It was like as good as a horse and skyrim. So you went from being on the planet to being an orbit of the planet, scanning the planet. So you just like, get in the solar system and hit the electric or a couple times. And I really appreciate what they did there.

It was cool. And then you scanned one point on the planet to find the item of interest. Yeah. And that was it. But the thing with the reapers coming what they did there. It was cool. And then you scanned one point on the planet to find the item of interest. Yeah. And that was it. But the thing with the reapers coming, they chase you. That was such bullshit. You can always just leave the thing in cover right back in.

Yeah. And then they're all gone again. Yeah, pretty much. Yeah. It's a ski. They were there, but they were a different part of the solar system. And you could run in real quick and get your fuel

and get the fuck out. OK. Go ahead, Eddie. I was about to say the thing that I really hated about Mass Effect 3 was actually the quest management system. Yeah. It wouldn't tell you like you would scan a planet and you would get something but it wouldn't tell you like you had no way to track like oh I finished this quest I need to go back

and talk to this person and that drove me crazy when I was scanning and doing stuff like that in Mass Effect 3. Well you could go into your journal and look at your quest and just tell you what you're supposed to do, and I guess you can remember that you, oh, I did pick this thing up. It never really matters much to me because when I hit a solar system,

I scan everything to 100% and then I go to the planets. Yeah, but I wish I didn't do it in any other way. Like going off with what Eddie said, I wish that it would sort your quest. Like if you have the item accomplished, it should be up at the top of the list. Like, on a computer, you want to be notified this is eligible to be I want to be notified that I finished it so I know kind of what I need to keep looking for however you

have to give them a lot of credit in a game with least like the infinite practically infinite amount of choices that you can also miss stuff like a lot of the server's missions come with computers that like oh here's the burn victims data right how to treat chemical burns. If you don't get it, you can't go back to that mission. But then after you miss it, it becomes available in the specter computer. Right. Right. That's great. So it's not, there was never a moment in Mass Effect 3. It's like, I missed something. I just blew this run through. Yeah. There were, there were several things I had to buy from that computer. That's, and that's fine.

Yeah. Because by that point, you have tons of credits and it doesn't matter. So do we want to talk about the ending specifically? Well, let's talk about the thing that really bothered me the most about Mass Effect was Mass Effect 3 was some of the stuff that was important and it seems to be related to DLC again. They specifically talked about the Yogg, which is that barbaric race that was important in the shadow broker. Right.

Because it's a spoiler from Mass Effect 2 um the shadowbroker when you eventually find out who it is in DLC arguably an awesome DLC yeah the shadowbroker is a yog who is then taken down by you and liara and then liara becomes a shadowbroker awesome ending to that unfortunately the shadowbroker to me was a very long-term setup character more so even than the elusive man in the franchise because the the shadowbroker to me was a very long-term set-up character, more so even than the elusive man in the franchise, because the Shadowbrokers mentioned in the very first mass effect. In fact, it could have just turned the elusive man into the Shadowbroker. Very easily.

And actually, was the elusive man even mentioned in Mass Effect 1? No, so Bruce, he just shows up. So Bruce was mentioned in Mass Effect One? I believe they were. I thought they were mentioned kind of as like an aside, not really in the making. I'm pretty sure they were mentioned in the one, yeah, like when Seren, and I can't remember it right now, the first pro-easy, or the first vi you meet. Okay. I think, I have some reason, no, no, not on the first V.I. you meet. Okay. I think I I did. I have some reason. No, no, I'm not on the Citadel. The one you find like in the middle of

and the mouth function. Yeah, I'm pretty sure there was there was some mention to splinter gurus then. But my brain could just be interesting. Failing right now. We're going all the way back. The really cool thing is to find out the ED was the rampant AI on the moon. Oh, yeah. The first massive. Yes. That was a pretty cool loop back. I thought that was pretty neat.

Because for some reason, fighting on the moon, maybe they realized that stuck with people. Because you were fighting a mission on the moon of Earth. And I totally remember that mission very clearly. That was also. Yeah. And that was a- Yeah. And that was a... Yeah. And it was cool to go to like a lot of home worlds, like Slaring Homeworld and the

Garrist of Homeworld. What's the name of the aliens? Garrises? Vicarian? No, that's his last name. No, the name of the aliens is Paladin. It's escaping. Terrians.

Terrians. Terrians. Thank you. I don't know why that was the race. For some reason. Yeah. Anyway, so what the way the Yogg was treated, I think it's saying that one right to Yogg. Yeah, it is. In Mass Effect III, Shepherd, when they would talk about the Yogg,

he had no recollection of it. Like, they would talk about the, it was one of the lower species that was clearly going to survive, Reaper harvesting in this cycle. And then the salarians are talking about the yog as well. And even Liera explains a shepherd how she took down the shadowbroker with some friends. It's like, bitch, I was there. But I don't

recall it being like that in my playthrough. Really? I think. Yeah, so did I. That you guys helped her do it. Right, but I think you played on a non-imported character. Okay, maybe that's what happened. With me, it was when the yaw busts out, you know, when the animals are like busting out, when you're going around in that facility. Right. When the yaw busts out, and then Shepard makes a comment about,

maybe that's your next shadowbrook or something like that. Yeah, he says that to me. I specifically remember that as well. I see. When you meet the yaw for the first time, and Shepard's like, that could be the one. Did you play the Shepard's shadowbrook or DLC? Oh yeah. I wish that Shbroker had been part of the

main story and not not relegated to DLC arguably an awesome DLC but I wish the shadowbroker had been a big part of it so it's not like it was just an option for my save right that was not relevant in that playthrough or something like that oh yeah yeah I mean it's interesting to look at this stuff that seems like so pivotal towards the actual story like with the Shadowbroker DLC and with the Prothian DLC. And it, because there's a lot of people that accuse them of like, oh, well, they're just yanked this, you know, out, but I don't know. It's just an interesting question, because it's like, is that more of a credit to how awesome

the DLC was, or is it a detriment that it wasn't included as part of the story? Yeah, I think you can't get the complete massive story that's played a DLC. I don't think so either. I think I mean I'm of the opinion that the the DLC is to remain like map packs and Yeah, like not not like core gameplay like the shadowbrokers is very very pivotal and and was built on like you were saying since mass effect one so it feels like it's something that that should have just been in the retail game because it is so important and so ingrained in the game it wasn't like and I can't even uh... casumi's dlc right still a memory stolen memory. Yeah, like that DLC really was just like,

hey, let's go steal some stuff from some rich guy. And then that was pretty much it, and you get a new character. Like that, I'm okay with being DLC, because it doesn't feel like a part of the game. And even the DLC from Mass Effect 2, where you get Zaheed, it wasn't, there was nothing, you know, there was no backstory, it really didn't go anywhere from there, from afterwards. So it was just like some extra fun missions, not like this is

the core of the game, like this is a main character. Anytime like a main character gets put into DLC, I kind of feel that they're well, even going back the first Mass Effect, if you didn't play some of the DLC in Mass Effect, you didn't know the batarians were. Yeah, I mean the batarians were a big part of DLC But the batarians are super important to the human story in Mass Effect, you know, and then even in the arrival the Bitter you know what happens if you didn't play the arrival like are you just totally lost when you start mass effect three The bacteria in the round. Do they have a home world and what was the destruction of the mass relay that killed the veteran? You destroyed the mass relay that connects them to the rest of the...

No, is that DLC or is that narrative? That's DLC, that's in the arrival. It's the right, yeah. I mean... That's pretty major. That's pretty major. And it's like... Yeah, so we're Satan.

Yeah, almost just when it was had played it without him just to get that perspective Yeah, there's got to be a lot of people who were just missed out it was like 800 points to for that DLC I think so plus you'd have to your battles take toys as long as I'm fucking rifle It was like a get beam rifle, but way better. Yeah way better Well, okay another thing to is before we get to the ending is and I think when the catalyst shows up in the ending A lot of people feel like well, what is this thing that's coming out of nowhere? That's like all of a sudden, and that's frustrating for people, but in the same sense, you have to have something that's fresh and new.

Like, you want to see something at the end that's new, and I think the catalyst in that sense of being able to write something worked well. What doesn't work well is when they kind of stuff things in out of nowhere that don't really have a purpose. that fucking assassin character in He seems irrelevant and out of nowhere, and it's just like I knew I was gonna have to fight him and it's like it just didn't seem It seems she horned in I was not a Kylie that was in Kylie No, no, okay, cuz everyone kept acting like I was supposed to know who he was. And I was like, I kept thinking that I had missed something.

If he was, none of us have any memory of him. What would you have done differently? If you, instead of Kylie, what would you have done? I don't... Well, I feel, and there was a lot of, when you're going through the Cerberus base, they all, several occasions, talked about the Eva project, and that being the project that followed Shepherd and that the Eva project was not supposed to fail. And I might be getting my characters mixed up, but I'm pretty sure that

Edee consumed Eva. Yeah, right? Eva became the Edee. I feel like that character for a character that Cerberus has seemed to invest so much in that you know this is this is the new shepherd so to speak. You know this shepherd won't fail this Eva and then just like to lose that asset so early and essentially yeah like that happens so early in the game that you get the you know the sexy ed that it just like that whole timeline which just didn't make sense. Like, it seemed like later in the game, they built that up and then it was lost so early

that it didn't, either he should have been way more pissed off about that, or the two characters didn't make any sense. I could have had them flipped where the Eva project was the new guy and The other person was just some Robotic chick that was on the server's team or something related to Reaper technology that they built. Yeah, Serbors built or something not just or that He is in Lexin modified so I re-protect and not which they kind of alluded to in the very end with the elusive man, how when you see his face, like Ornoranda's father.

Yeah. So that's exactly. It's interesting that Eddie said Miranda sister because that's the same thing I was thinking either Miranda or her sister. Yeah. Can take that storyline in a different path. They weren't in my playthrough at all. Jacob was in my playthrough and he had a really lame storyline, I felt. Yeah, he stood in line with the hospital the whole game.

Yeah, she was Jack in anybody's playthrough? Yes. Jack was not in mine at all. Jack was pretty early in my playthrough. Okay. What about, she was an instructor at the Grisoma Academy? That makes sense. What about the Justice Car?

I forget how it is. It's one of the based on choices that you do and two She might not be the instructor. Yeah, she was she was not my instructor. She actually was not present in my playthrough There yeah, there was there was I actually I had to kill her really yeah There was a moment when I was going through when I was invading the Cerberus base that all my the guys that were with me was like, that was Jack's or Jack and and shepherds like, it's not Jack anymore. I just killed her.

Whoa. I don't even remember what decision I made in Mass Effect 2 that did that, but like, yeah, she went back to the bedside and went crazy. Now, she was, when I went to the Grisim Academy to save the students, she was an instructor who was protecting the students and teaching them how to use biotics to fight. Did you guys have the justice card in your semara? Yeah.

No, she was in my need. I didn't see my model. Now, it might have been like a submission or a side quest that I've missed. I played. She was in the Banshee mission, where you first find the Banshee's. Oh, no. And then if you let her daughter live, I want to say in two and let her daughter take her place that she's the first Banshee meat

Hmm. I did not let the daughter live in two so I didn't see that Man, I love how rich the universe is like the art at yaki Which are the splinter a sorry's who have the power to consume people they meet with like tomorrow yeah it's crazy awesome I mean that's like and like they have that place where they stick them all you know and then that's where you've are friend of the manchis I mean that's the richness of that is just it's amazing to me I love that it's crazy like I just had my mind blown by the fact that we had three different jack scenarios here by the way I don't I gotta I gotta re-emphasize that not present Enemy or instructor L our enemy like that's crazy

Yeah, I never saw her and she didn't exist So it treated my save is though. I just didn't save on the suicide mission Oh, I guess yeah, one of my one of my save is where I didn't just ran through it and didn't do it Yeah, I guess Brandon survived. I don't remember Jacob at all. Yeah, he's hanging on the hospital. He gets, I found him. When he remembered him there. Yeah, I found him in a Cerberus mission

and she was getting married and settling down. That's his whole story. He was defending some scientists because he had hooked up with one of them and... She's pregnant. Yeah. And then he had to go to the hospital and with socialized healthcare,

he waited the entire game. Literally, too long was he ever going to be able to run. And I get this thing towards me too. I felt like I thought almost as much as James That does bring up another thing I really like to which were the NPCs that had progressive stories that you'd walk by them like there was the Post-traumatic stress sorry that was in the hospital and there was a good waiting for her parents. Yeah Well, I always kept checking on the girl waiting for her parents like every time was that dude hitting on her they're you know it kind of felt like it I felt creepy like a first I thought you're protecting her but I felt like you got a little creepy towards yeah like he was like all right let's go somewhere let's do something about this he's one

step away from offering a room in his house or something like that right or something yeah you need a place to stay but um okay um, okay so let's talk about the ending. Which is people what people are upset about. First of all, did you like the ending? You just finished it and I'm, did you like the ending a massive fact? Um, yeah, I'm okay with it. I, I, that's, that's it. I'm going to quick serve it.

Yeah. Because did you like it? Yes. And did you like it? Yes. I thought it was tremendous. I didn't think I didn't just like it I thought it was a great ending and we already said what endings we played right that being said I But that doesn't really matter so much. I'm more like the No, it does we there's a

Actually, yeah, it doesn't it doesn't mean we got to have chain or learned this this morning We I had not done the control the reapers option So before we did this podcast I went and I watched that ending I watched someone's playthrough of it if you choose the control the reapers option. So before we did this podcast, I went and I watched that ending. I watched someone's playthrough of it. If you choose to control the reapers, the, you know, you take control, obviously, you take control of them, then it's a similar cutscene at the end.

You know, remember if you choose to destroy them, like you see the fighting and landing, the reapers just fall over. Yeah. If you choose to control them, instead of falling over, the reapers take off and leave. Okay.

And everyone cheers. And then you go, you know, so you see the reapers retreating essentially. And then it goes to the same cutscene if you choose to destroy them where the Mass Effect relays start blowing up in order. And then you go to the... I think it's blue now instead of red. And then you get that same cutscene where the Normandy is trying out run the pulse and the pulse overtakes the Normandy and it crashes. I don't understand why if you choose to control the reapers the message really blow up and there's still that pulse that destroys the normity it is a crash like my ending a crash and a planet and they come out same thing and a jungle

and they're starting over my ending there was no people but they're all dead and I'm like everybody the door like on mine the door goes and immediately goes to credits and if you have a point the red ending is most of us have a lot of us did we chose to destroy the reaper it ends all the artificial life the reapers are destroyed uh... in the technology essentially in the technology the mass effect relays

go through their self-destruct there are the mass relays go through their self-destruct sequence whatever it is all they think they think they link off each other they all blow up the norm to get some kind of pulse that hits it It crashes on a planet and for me it was Joker I guess Leora and

I forget who else somebody else come out. It's probably whoever you have survived Yeah, yeah, let's come out and they go to start like life like you can tell like starting over primitive life without technology And then any one you describe the other ending, the combination one? Yeah, the only difference in the green one is that when the normandy crashes, Joker and Edie come out hand in hand, and so the whole thing is like you're choosing synthesis, and so it's like they come out hand in hand, and they're kind of standing there all romantically, kind of looking out at the planet with like the implication that they're about, the two of them are about to start.

Interesting. Okay. Yeah. So they don't sound all that different to the world. Yeah, my concern was, I don't understand why if you choose to control the reapers, the mass victory, they still blow up and the normity still crashes. I felt like that pulse was supposed to be,

the pulse of the normities, try not run, is supposed to be the pulse that destroys technology. I get that. So that, I can get a complaint about that. That was all that, like it made sense with the normities, try not run, it's supposed to be the pulse that destroys technology. I get that. So I can get a complaint about that. And when I saw that, it made sense with the red one, or with my ending, that they're trying to outrun that, because that's gonna cause some massive damage. And then when we watched the blue ending, I guess,

it just didn't make sense as to why things were blowing up. Yeah, rolling doesn't blow things up. And maybe we missed an option early. I mean, I'm not sure. But had I had that ending, I would have been really confused and upset. And I would have probably understood the whole, let's petition and sign things and get all people riled up. Not bad, though.

One of the things that people are upset about, it's funny. When I read complaints, people keep citing plot holes, and one of the plot holes they cite is the Mass Effect Relays blowing up, because in the arrival DLC, when you blow up the Mass Effect Relay, it destroys like a solar system pretty much. Yes. And how is it destroyed? Like the plot hole that if you're destroying all the mass effect relays, isn't that destroying everything? No, see, I don't get that either.

I read that too, Eddie. And do you see it this way where it's like, it's almost like knocking a building over or demolishing a building. It's, there was very clearly, right, there was very clearly a sequence going on, like this was built in by the catalyst, the system system to take to turn them off or destroy them which is different than running what they ran an asteroid into it. Right, and I feel like taking a second to explain that in the middle of an ending would just be a waste of their time from a storytelling standpoint. Yeah, and it wouldn't, it would have just been awkward for...

I felt like they did that though, like I mean it's implied when they show the dots connecting the relays. Yeah, but this is is sequence taking place. Plus they're not ramming a fucking asteroid into it like you say. Right. See the math degree they like spin up and kind of what he did in a rival. Yeah it just kind of breaks itself apart like you said it's perfect example. It's the control demolition of a building versus an explosion in a building. As a real world example you can destroy a nuclear reactor and you can hit one with a tsunami.

Those are two different events very different outcomes. Very different outcomes. Very different outcomes, yeah. And it seems to be like, and even in the explanation of what the catalyst was, we have very clearly defined here what I'm talking about this in all our different experiences. Ultimately, what makes the Mass Effect franchise different than everything else is the Mass Effect franchise is about choice.

And it's about what you do, OK? And to me, the ending that they put in place, even though the catalyst seems to come out of nowhere, this child vi, or AI, that comes out of seemingly nowhere, it is totally acceptable to me. And I hate things that are like, there's always a layer higher, like I always hated and lost it, like, oh, these guys know what's going on, the odds? Nope. There's a level above them.

And then, oh, these guys definitely know. Nope. There's a level above the one deeper. Yeah, it can always go one level higher. And even guys at the top they don't know either everyone's confused But the catalyst did show up at the end and there was really no indication to me that the catalyst was coming But even though they did say there's stuff beyond control. There's something controlling all this I thought that was a metaphor for God that is what they were trying to say Earlier in the game it's quite literally a day of sex machina

Is it is that how you felt about it? say earlier in the game quite literally a day you said mackena is that how you felt about it well i was okay with it but it but it was in a very literal sense like the god in the machine like uh... but i was i was still fine with it because i felt like i felt like we never knew where the reapers came from so i felt like we were going to get some kind of glimpse of that at the end and i i i felt like the game it prepared me for that

i was like where do you come from where do you come from? Where do you come from? And one of my complaints about Mass Effect 2 was the ending seemed to come out of nowhere of, oh, they're building a human reaper. It's like, what the fuck does that mean? It's like, it didn't make any sense to me, because what is a human reaper? Then Mass Effect 3 ending very clearly explained

what that meant. That they make reapers as a way to preserve the organic species that they're destroying because they don't want the organic species to get the point where they make an artificial life form that then will take over the universe, take over the galaxy. One of the things I am looking forward to is now that I kind of have a conclusion and I hope, I really hope that it was well done enough that when I go back because I'm planning on soon here in the future, going back to Mass Effect 1, and playing through the whole trilogy again to see one, if the story evolves any.

And just to see, like, I get to see things from a different perspective. It's like watching the sixth sense the second time. You know, when I'm watching them build the human reaper, all of a sudden, that means so much different, you know, like just means everything differently and I hope that it's Written and and and plays out in such a way that it will be a unique playthrough It's because the collectors now with perspective are not necessarily evil. No, they're just part of this system Yeah to preserve humans and this is how they're doing it. To make sure that humans don't get wiped out at the end of the cycle. I just put a link in the Skype chat or whatever it had.

That's actually a Codex entry or Codex entry or whatever from Mass Effect 1. Oh, interesting. Here, I'm passing it around. I loaded it on my phone and I'm passing it to everyone and we'll put this in the link up so people can see it. That's really, really interesting. So when you mentioned the things about catching stuff, I have to ask if any of you guys have heard

about the indoctrination theory? Yeah, I've heard about it. I don't buy it. I have not. I have not. It's, and Kirk, if I'm wrong here, Eddie. This is the theory that the ending is just essentially, think of it like the matrix.

It's like the reapers have given people that mental image of that peaceful ending and Really they've all been indoctrinated Oh, it's just well. That thing is really is that everything that happens once Shepard gets into the citadel like after the beam attacks Or whatever and then you kind of wake up and like stumble onto the citadel The theory is that everything from that point on is the battle inside of Shepard's head to be indoctrinated. Anderson does appear to come out of nowhere. He does say this like line of, oh I followed you in. Yeah, you know. And then he's ahead of you.

Yeah, right. The reason people think that, I don't know if I buy into it, but I think one of the things about like, that I love about good sci-fi is when you kind of get left with some of those questions and it's kind of cool. They're like the ending could, I feel like it can stand on its own, but it also has this aspect where people are wondering if this was going on. I totally agree. And so the reason a lot of people are buying the nocturneation theory is because I think when you first meet the racni, they start talking about how when the reapers and doctrines did them, they saw kind of like oily paintings,

that everything looked like oily paintings, and that's what Shepard's dream sequence looked like in Mass Effect 3. And apparently in one of the books, there's a whole thing about like whenever people start to get it Dr. Anita, they start to hear reaper growls. And that whole scene with the kid in the very beginning of Mass Effect 3, shepherd looks and then Anderson comes in and shepherd looks away and when he looks back and the kids gone there's like a real subtle like audio cue of a reaper growl going on there. And so a lot of people think that all those dream sequences are hinting that there's a battle going on inside a shepherd to be indoctrinated by the reapers and that that final choice is him being indoctrinated, which is why all of a sudden to destroy the reapers would be renegade because, you know, the reapers

trying to convince him that it would be the wrong thing to destroy them and why to work with them would be blue. We're here. We're here. We're here. So work with them would be paragon. And I guess the final clincher is that in the red ending there's that

none of the other endings get it but in the red ending there's that will final shot of shepard waking up in rubble i'm not going to go to the other yeah yeah it's not any of the other ending so i don't know that it is you don't get it in all the red endings i very much died yeah i think that's where a certain spot, I think. And so yeah, so that you resisted indoctrination and then you wake up at the end.

And I don't know how I, I mean, I think it's kind of a cool theory. I'm fine if they never do anything else with it. I won't leave it open. There's no need to spell every single thing out. Yeah. Yeah. Or Ferris Bueller's Day off. Did Cameron really exist? No, it's just Ferris Bueller's Day off all about Cameron's vision of what his friend is, you know, and his like, well, three go. But

I look at it a much more literal sense. I take the, I took the ending to be what they said on screen is what it was. And that the catalyst set up this system to essentially protect the universe from running basically off in an unstoppable pattern to where it like they repeat the cycles, but essentially this is their solution to it to, you know, artificial life just completely taking over as it would. And that they set up the system in such a way. And this is relevant to Mass Effect being built on choice is that as part of the narrative choice

becomes a big part of it as well, in that at some other point, it's almost like you think in terms of like the constitutional Congress. We're gonna put a system of government in place, a solution to way things are now. But something can happen in the future to where we might not be relevant. And there might be something better than us that comes along

that has a better choice. I can do it better than what we did. And they will have the option to destroy it. Like they literally said, Shepherd is the only person to make it in there in that room. So like he had to go through defeating sentient life. He had to go through all the the Prothian. If you got the DLC, talks about, Jobick talks about how things repeat. Like this is the way it was, my cycle, this is the way it years. Yeah, there was kind of a death equivalent in his life.

Yeah, exactly. So the, the, our cycle had to go through the rise of artificial life and the inevitable rebellion that happens as a result of that. It had to go through, and that's the story of the Chorians and the Geath. Yep. It had to go through the dominant organic species, not just taking over and working with the story of the Chorians and the Gath. It had to go through the dominant organic species,

not just taking over and working with the other species, unlike the Prothians who just dominated their cycle. And pushed everybody down, and they basically ran a muck through evolution. And the Turians and the Salarian story with Chachanka, with the Krogan, that's the version of that in our cycle, but then it works out. And so we had to go through all of those things, all those repeating cycles,

to get to a point where there is a little bit level of equilibrium to where the choice can be made of what to do about this. And that's what Shepherd's journey is, I think. And it's like, so choice becomes an important part of the narrative. And this intelligent being the catalyst who set up the system said, I need someone else that can come along and go through all this, and we'll go through every cycle we can until we get to that person who can then make this choice.

Right, which is why I think the catalyst has that one line where it says, obviously my system is no longer sustainable because you are in here. Exactly. You have a mirror, yeah, because you made it to this room. Right, right. Yeah, and I think that's that's the ultimate relevant thing. The thing I wish now looking back is that there were more

than just the spider, like they essentially what are now, I think, realize are the protein version of reapers, which are the ones we see with the big things that land. Yeah. Like there should be other organic species that were preserved from previous cycles, from previous cycles. Yeah. I agree with that and where are those and one more? No, and I'm pretty sure in Mass Effect 2 We were in a Reaper Yeah, the and no, but that was the Reaper that was that was you collecting humans you find a derelict Reaper Yes

where you first encounter the husks and then you go to the other, no, it's a collector ship where you find the building. Right. Collector ship. But you do enter a reaper at one point. That's where you first encounter Legion in Mass Effect 2. Correct. Correct. All right. Well, we have- That's my take on the ending. Do you have a take on the ending you want to talk about? I'm very similar to you. I look at what was presented to me and I take it at face value. Right. I like the idea of the indoctrination theory, but for me I'm gonna sit at what's presented to me. I like the indoctrination theory because it gives context to the dreams, which I feel like I don't have a way to reconcile that otherwise unless it's guilt of a life lost as not a warrior or something like that. It's the only way I can

reconcile it in my head. Yeah. The dreams didn't seem to be overly important part of the narrative. It just was like, besides being really annoying because I can't run. Yeah. That was a little tough. I chased this little presented with choices in a cutscene in dialogue. And then I made the right choice for what I wanted to make. So clearly it did work on some level. But there was a moment of like, wait, wait, wait, I got to go this way or this way. That is exactly what happened to me.

I didn't even see the green option. I, when the slow motion stuff started happening at the very end, I was like, okay, I just saw a moment of needing to shoot this thing, and then that will trigger destroying all the reapers. So I was like, that must be what I was doing. Now, I attribute quite a bit of that to, that was up at five o'clock in the morning, playing Mass Effect 3, and not so much.

So it might have been... Yeah, I thought I was aware of all of them, and I fact I walked up to all of them to look at them up close, and then I walked over to the red ending and shot the thing. Even the shooting, it felt like that was the wrong thing to do. I felt like it was just activated, not destroying it. Yeah, I didn't feel that... Because I was in the crucible at that point. Yeah, so I felt like it should have been just like red button. I thought I'm gonna destroy the thing that destroyed the reapers that was like felt weird to you. I feel like maybe that's the control center for all of the reapers. Uh-huh.

Is there anything about it like the like analogous to the get like that's the central server where all of the reapers sentience is and you just shoot it to destroy it. Yeah, but then and that just triggers the mass effect. Well, I guess yeah, I guess you're right. It just doesn't seem quite right. Like it should have been a console that you pick. And it's like, okay, I'm shutting down all the reapers and triggering self-destruct on everything. I do like it. They made this little important part of it.

This is like this unspoken day. I thought it was. And it hit from the beginning that we were like, we just found this really big thing. And it's all gonna live on it. Even for MasterQ1, but they found it. And also the keepers were already there. And when I saw them walk her MasterCoin 3, I was like, you bitch.

Yeah. Trader is bitch. I don't even make it all the way here. But yeah, I feel like I don't know. I really liked, but I loved the ending. And yeah, I don't subscribe to Indoxination 3. I like that it exists. But what I loved about the ending, and I always felt like game was, the games were pointing at the idea that something

in the cycles would have to change. You know, because otherwise, that's what I kept asking myself, even back to Mass Effect 1, it's like, well, what's going to keep this time different? Like, what's going to change this time? And it's like, you're not going to break that cycle without something really costly happening. And so I kept waiting for something like monumental to happen in three. And so I thought it was kind of a cool touch to see the Mass Effect relays kind of disassembled and the Citadel become a big part of it too. I was a big fan of seeing all that kind of come together. It was, it's just cool because it's like in every single one they've been kind of showing you that like the reapers have kind of directed the course of like kind of galactic civilizations like that they've put these touchstones and guided it the way that they want kind of life to evolve. And so it was kind of neat to see that you know what

we're going to go our own way is essentially the choice you're making. By doing this, like, we're going to let the Galaxy build up in its own way, making its own discoveries and its own kind of advancements. And I know a lot of people are upset about the idea that, oh, well, when they shut down the Mass Effect relays, now everyone's stuck. And it wipes out, but I feel like, no, that's like the start of the story. I feel like in a lot of ways. Like, I feel like that's the direction they can go in future with whatever they want to do in the future. It's like, wow, now the reapers hold over this whole civilization's gone, and now we can do, you know, we can go our own way. It would be weird if the mastery of the release to be, or gone, is like, I'm sure there's some sorry that have to be on Earth. Well, there were, I mean, there were, uh, Turians as well. We're fighting on earth.

So, I don't get everything. We're talking about like, yeah, like, all the armies are on earth. And now we just have civilians just on random planets. Yeah. Stuff. Like, some people in the sorry home, but they're not stuck because the,

because ships still have FTL drives. They're just a lot slower than mass effect. True. Station. True, but we don't know how long it would take. I don't have any idea how long it would take to get to. Yeah, but I looked, it's time and earth. It's something like dreadnoughts, like the dreadnoughts have like the huge relays that

are pretty comparable to the mass effect relays. They take four months to get across the galaxy. Okay, but if everybody else is to years. Yeah, if we chose the red ending like Adam and I did, these people are stranded. Yeah, yeah, like they don't even hope people are screwed Yeah, like yeah, and there are complete races that are just gone in our ending getty I mean people have taxis anymore. Yeah, technology You really think it was like an even people like wiped out like

Wipe out like that's okay I'm not I think my thing out like like since like technological no no it was technology. Yeah, dude It it destroyed like it destroyed the it destroyed the Normandy like technological no no it was technology yeah dude it it it destroyed like it destroyed the it destroyed the Normandy like well at least it looked like that was the reason he's gone yeah like it took everything out it it it made us nomads to reset but something that something that I think will be interesting is is now we get to see what I can only describe

as a top level cycle. Like those relays came from somewhere. So now that the relays are destroyed and we're kind of rebooted, we're now at the beginning, before even the small cycles happened, where this life has created, you know, reapers to- Three going back to- Before the first time. Before the relays, before the Citadel, before everything.

And now- No, they wanted you. Oh, you'll rebuild and you will build a sentient- There are artificial life form. That will- You'll have to do with it. All of this stuff again. And I think it's neat.

It's cool. It's like a master cycle. Yeah, made of little smaller cycles that that can eventually develop into you know a race that builds smaller cycles to protect you know lizard eating and thinning. They're just gonna build reaper. So like hey guys, that was a pretty good idea. Well, I know we want to wrap this up guys. I want to point out something we talked about in the non-spoiler part of the podcast, which is like what happens if we get involved with aliens and we can't recognize each other? How frustrating would it fucking be for the Prothians? Like, we cataloged everything. We, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, was like realize you don't communicate the way we communicate. Yeah, we like we had this like

Connection with each other where we could just pass ideas you fuckers didn't have that so we built all these things that just look like stone obelisk Yeah, yeah, and they didn't have any information Yeah, they put everything into these to these beacons and there's no way to interact with it Feel like if we wrote it down in books and then like the next Civilization didn't have eyes. Yeah, well, yeah, I can feel this. So they have these books of like they collected leaves. Yeah, I had to be so.

You made a really weird face when, of course, now that I'm bringing it up, I can't remember what you said. Cool. Yeah, we got in the pocket. That's the end of it. You remember five minutes now. There was some, yeah. Alright, one of the races that was killed off early. The Patarians?

No. Forte. Oh, the Ratnite. Yes, I felt like there was, I mean, there was a bunch of spoilers in the beginning of Mass Effect 3 that they were going to come back and like maybe I just didn't do the side quest or something, but they were not come back and like maybe I just didn't do the sidequests or something But they were not oh no I was a them and I they went to work on the crucible same and I they were I was like I did the right thing

I saved a race that was being enslaved and they're working the crucible then later they go you fucking asshole They attacked all the scientists wait did you so wait no no no that that happens and this must be because you didn't import your character Uh-huh that happens if you chose to kill the queen in Mass Effect 1 then they then the reapers I want to say build an artificial queen. Yes, that if you risk if you rescue the artificial queen She goes to help you for a bit and then a taxis scientist Yeah, if you preserve the original queen from Mass Effect 1 Yeah, and then free her then then the rack that go to work and they don't do the rebuild it Which I did do on one save my problems. I played Mass Effect 1 and then free her then then the rack that I go to work and they don't do the reveal which I did Do you want one save my problems? I played Mass Effect 2 many times so I like like a hundred save

I do have like a hundred saves and it's like so I have all the improvisation I was like those fucking triggers Rat I did I saved them they fucking attack the science is something crucible I felt like the rag and I was the one thing that I felt was kind of lacking in three because I wanted to see more Or you know what I mean? Like just the fact that they were gone and they were such a big thing. Unless you're in bad stories of all these civilizations. I want to set up for the Krogan to show like how badly

the Krogan got fucked over. Yeah, I wanted to fight side by side with the Rackenite. Oh, that'd be cool. Same thing. It's like, you know, they were supposed to, like they would the Krogan would develop to fight these guys. How awesome are these guys? Why are they working in the Crucible?

Yeah. They are fighting. That Reaper versus the worm. yeah that was awesome yeah the scale of that man there was so many big scale you guys didn't see it because you've got the geth and the core is to work together but the cutscene were the geth fleet and the core and fleet fight each other that is an awesome it is yeah I got I got to watch yeah. Yeah, you got to go back to the screen. I wouldn't watch it. It's pretty cool.

4,000 ships with fighters and everything else. It's awesome. There's a scene. And I mostly played renegade through one and two and then three. I didn't really. But I would feel so bad doing this. The scene, when Morton goes up to cure the j Jennifer age, and if you tell him not to go do it, because you want to sabotage it, and he says he's going to go do it,

you can shoot him in the back. Oh, wow. And watch the scene on YouTube, and it was the saddest thing I've ever seen. Wow, man. You shoot him in the back, and then he falls into the elevator, and hits the button, and he goes up. And then he gets to the top, and everything's blowing up, and he's crawling to the panel to try to stop it. And he's like, he's like's blowing up and he's like crawling to the panel, have listened to this and let us know what you

think about it. We'll do more spoiler cast. Can I do a quick plug for my right-wing site called Gamersushi? Yeah, we can do games and stuff. So we have an aspect for East Boiler cast that we did a couple weeks ago as well. What's the URL? Gamersushi.com. We'll put it in the linked up so it'll be clickable. Cool. Alright, thanks for joining us, Eddie. Yeah, thanks for having me.

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