Rooster Teeth Podcast - RT Podcast #176

Episode Date: July 25, 2012

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That was really... I don't pull them back, people submit them I mean, can you sing? No, not at all Was that you singing? No, we are getting a late start in the podcast Oh, I should say we have Karen here today That's a guy is Gavin Gavin and Joel. You're Joe right. Yes, what we say

That's a good question. I was asking where the bill is usually have like corona or something in here that we got nothing Yeah, I mean the thing is some kind of some days I actually work Sometimes you might want to wait till it's PM instead of AM. Really, we sound worthy. Yeah, we don't want to have any beer in here this week because then Carol's opening it with her tea at the good point. People really latched on to that. Apparently, the most disturbing thing about I was in the book last the most disturbing thing about the video is that it's just dead silent. It's just like there's no like clunk or anything No, no, no, no, you have any feelings. Nope

I'm just special Yeah, I have feelings, but that's only like I don't think the ball cap To chip your teeth You're gonna fuck your teeth out. Well, I haven't yet, so. How long will you do that? That's the spirit. Exactly.

Don't stop until you get hurt. Have you read that? Have you read a tooth pole? In my whole life? Yes. No, in your partial life. I'm not even like human beings because of that. Are you alien?

What's happening? No, there is no kind of special. Do you have a teeth arrangement? You have a lot of teeth. Did I tell you that? Like a tooth pole. Do you have a teeth arrange? You have a lot to call did I tell you that I Yes Have you ever had a two-fold job? What happened would you say? I have a problem with her name I had to rename her to suit my who

Because you people can't see when you're doing people can't hear when you're Yeah, but the thing is I'd like to say Kara, I have to kind of like talk in a funny American accent like the way I'd say how it's spelled be Kara Okay, I was gonna say Kara What do I want to do? Cause it doesn't, doesn't listen right You're becoming self aware of the way you talk So, the reason you can talk doesn't sound right For me to say Kara, it sounds like I'm doing an American accent to me

Which is annoying So, I renamed her Dave I That's good. I know you say carry like you want to carry something. Oh carry carry Yeah, I do say carry the employee carry because it's with an E. Could you say Kara? Like carry what with a One is no e-mail. Yeah, but it's more it's closer to Kara than like say care like I care about you I care about you. Okay, just drop the bout Kara Care about I still for day. I'm sorry. I still for day. What is your deal with renaming things? Didn't you rename your cat?

I rename a cat Didn't you also watch her did you pay to rename your brother? I? What? I Rename my brother. I don't want it to pay for until legally changes name because I thought it would annoy my parents So what is your problem? Why do you have to rename everything? I just like stuff to see me my my sister named my cat Lexi, and I thought that sucked So I just renamed it Lloyd. It's Lloyd the cat now

Mm-hmm, and everyone who's a Lloyd and she's worth mad about that. And it's the camel? It's the end of the day. It's the end of the day. It's the end of the day. It's the end of the day. It's the end of the day. It's the end of the day. It's the end of the day. It's the end of the day. It's the end of the day. It's the end of the day. It's the end of the day. It's the end of the day. It's the end of the day. It's the end of the day. It's the end of the day. It's the end of the day. It's the end of the day. It's the end of the day. It's the end of the day. It's the end of the day. It's the end of the day. It's the end of the day. It's the end of the day. It's the end of the day. It's the end of the day. It's the end of the day. It's the end of the day. It's the end of the day. It's the end of the day. It's the end of the day. It's the end of the day. It's the end of the day. It's the end of the day. It's the end of the day. It's the end of the day. It's the end of the day. It's the end of the day. It's the end of the day. It's the end of the day. It's the end of the day. It's the end of the day. It I mean, yeah, it was whoever. No, I'm not a cat carer. You're a person. I have a cat. And you're a sponsored Dave apparently. No, I do not respond to Dave. I will never respond to that. She gets a bad one, I call it Dave.

Gavin responds to asshole, apparently. Oh. So we'll see. Gavin responds to be kicking in the asshole too. I come back out. Yeah, yeah, you're starting from your trip to Japan? No, it was a good trip. Yeah?

Yeah. No, you didn't acquire any weird Japanese diseases or anything I trip. Yeah? Yeah. No, you didn't acquire any weird Japanese diseases or anything like that? I had not done well. But sometimes I take a long time. Do you have any more trips coming up anytime soon? Mr. World Traveler?

I would be attending RVBTO. Oh, that's... What is that? Not this coming weekend, but next weekend. What is that? It was in August. Oh, yeah. Oh, Jesus.

It's like two weeks. This year is good. It's almost so long. It's like August 2nd and 3rd I think is that fun one I'm never into it yeah it's a lot of fun it's a last RVTO this year he's got I don't know some people some people you're bashing me some people I don't know I think I think Bernie's going up there for a little while and I believe Barbara may be as well be out that I'm not sure special Being a special guest. Oh interesting. So we all went and did something cool last week. We saw the Dark Knight on Thursday. Yes. Thursday night before it came out. What did you guys think of the movie? Are we spoils in this? No, no spoils. I thought it was okay. I didn't think it was good as the Dark Knight, the second one.

I agree with that. was good I like it just notes without the move this why did you take this no I don't want to see a movie with anyone I know I don't want to see a movie with anyone ever I sat next to her in this movie she was gassing in my ear the entire movie was not she was around that necklace just now and then she was like writing it down. And I was just sitting there. So she was taking notes during the movie about the superceiver's inaccuracies.

Yes. You know what's funny is that we went and saw it at the Alamo and that place normally is like, if you go see it, you know, with the public, they put a big thing in beginning where it's like, do not talk, do not talk. And they're really very serious about it. And we with another company actually rented out the theater. So we can do that. Apparently you

all had to talk. Yes, because you read it out the theater. So we never got that warning message. And so it's like, well, we got the no tweeting, no Facebook in that home. No, we didn't. We didn't get that message. So I was like, you walked into the theater. You're talking about something on this Oh just kidding. What what what what message you think what So so we're gonna You're a taking notes and carry disappeared at one point during the movie I want to go to the back of the house and she was like out there chatting with people in the hallway I like to talk

I thought you were the theater see went outside to talk to you. I had to get it out So we'll see what it means to anticipate in movies of the entire year a day before it's coming out And then you're just like I'm gonna get chapped some dudes out That's not that's not that was not my original plan And someone else in the theater was texting you Someone else one of one another one of our boys was texting you what they thought about the movie in real time The fucking Get my phone out of my pocket and look today I'm going to be a part of our boys who's texting you what they thought about the movie in real time. I'm asking you what the fucking movie is. I will never get my phone out of my pocket and look at it.

No. Because you're like, I have to hold it. No, it's not going to everybody else around you. See, that's not what it is. That is not as annoying to me as people talking. No, if you're someone who's not even as annoying to you as a cell phone, it's totally annoying. Because the light distracts you. Yeah, I just teach you how the movie, even if it's for five seconds, it's like,

God damn it, I'm watching the tap. Well, the movie's about cell phones. So, my phone is going off in pocket vibrate and over and over and over and over and over. Who was it? Was it Kara? No. It was Kathleen. Maybe we can cut that.

And it's going off over and over again. She was in there. She was in there. She was sitting right behind you. She was in front by a couple of rows. I went out, the movie ended. The movie ended and I was furious this point, because I, like, just people talking everywhere.

And everyone was like, Well, you turn your phone off too, you know. I could have done it. I could have done it. I should have supposed to do. I don't know who does that phone off ever. Anyway, so everyone does the American thing where the movie ends.

For some reason, you clap. There's no point. There's no one in that who where the movie ends and for some reason you clap there's no point There's no one in there who made the movie don't bother clapping Did people clap? Yeah people clap People clap? Yeah, and I didn't clap I just got up It's like a tree in the forest I can get right there I don't know There's not anyone in the movie I see

Is there going to be somebody who's on the movie? There's no one that you'll You don't know nobody works in the movie was there I got up stood up just looked straight ahead and ahead, and just turned, and just walked straight out, while everyone was still there clapping. Oh, aren't you a spectator? No, it was, it was fury, I was, I was, you admit. And then I took my phone out my pocket, Keck leaves text me about seven times, being like, one of them was a picture of Tom Hardy, so this is Bane.

This is Bane, it's really hot, I think the other one. Yeah, because. But it pain. It's really hot. I think it will be hot. Yeah, because... It was basically spoilers from the movie. That's the one that I was talking about. It was too hot. It was too hot. It's predictions. I bet this is gonna happen.

Oh, this is gonna happen, isn't it? Okay, well then my note taking isn't that bad. That's the least I wasn't expecting that. That's pretty bad. That's pretty bad. It's pretty bad. I mean, if the movie sucks and it's terrible or whatever and you hate the person, then it's okay to send them text messages.

It's funny. Because we're making fun of the dumb movie. That was a good movie. It wasn't a good movie. It was a bad enough to be sent in test. Yeah, no, no. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I agree with the sentiment that I think I like the Dark Knight more. I felt like this movie was kind of like Batman Begins, where it's just too long.

And the Batman Begins, like the ending really dragged out, I thought. Everything is context. And before that movie, like Jack and I were having like long conversations about what we thought the movie was gonna be about, and he was like looking at a lot of speculation or whatever, and I bought into his speculation as to what we thought the movie was gonna be about.

So I was going from a different mind frame. So that made the movie way more entertaining. But that's how it always is, right? Like, what do I have to do? I don't really have to. I gotta do that. She did it with that. So let me ask you something about Bay.

Okay. Is, did you understand a word that he said? I feel like he's up on his voice filter. Like when I went and I saw a ghost protocol at the IMAX back in December, at the beginning of the movie, they showed that whole opening plane sequence from the dark night rises. And when I saw that, I could not understand it.

I'm not understanding where he is. Now I feel like they pulled back a little bit and they eased up on that filter and it was I could understand him now. The screen had that kind of hosh. With strange because it was sort of like when you go to Batman, it's going to like start and then you see the Batman symbol and then there's gonna be like a slow drum beat and then the drum beat is basically gonna play for the next three hours. It's gonna slowly accelerate during the movie.

So by the end of the video, and then over that, we're here trying to talk and you're not gonna be able to say what he's saying. And then there's a scene in the movie because he's got like the face mask in the movie. And then there's a scene in the movie where he's talking to the face mask thing, can't or say what he's saying. And then he goes to like a microphone. They put the microphone over the face mask. He has like two filters there. Now, I need for like another guy to put like a speaker in front of the microphone.

And I like this. I probably sound like what this guy's saying. Let's have him yell at 5,000 people through a microphone. I mean, you really can't just cut to like scenes that people in the audience be like, I don't know what he's fucking saying. It was just trying to get people's reaction, like have been saying that you have delivered dialogue

on screen. I mean, they try to be like, what did he just say? I don't understand what he's saying. What just happened to this scene? That also made the movie a lot more open to interpretation? And again, the movie I saw was probably a lot better than it was. In the movie's defense, it made Batman a hell of a lot more understandable. Oh, I'm bad.

No problem with that. It was just like you forgot about all that. Like totally. His voice reminded me of someone doing an impression of a dog. Like you know, when someone talks like a dog, it's like it really very painful What's kind of what's that? That was this is where he was talking about what would happen if his mask would come off see it again We've got it recorded

We'll just play it on the loop. Yeah, it just sounded like kind of like woofie woofie. What does that sound like? Sorry, right my first round famous this Remember this old really crap at my movies? It's the same guy as the guy who's pumped with all the benefits. You know it's funny, somebody on Facebook flash actually forwarded a video article from the DVD section of one of those old movies and they were talking about everyone else's thought of Bane and then they went to cut the Joel Schumacher who were talking about like, sort of what everyone else thought of Bane, and then they went to cut the Joel Schumacher, who was talking about Bane, and it was like, Joel Schumacher,

was coming from a completely different place, or basically like, well, Bane is just a muscle, and he's really dumb. And that's what he was. And Adam maybe it's just a henchman guy, it was not, and this he's like, he's supposed to, I'm not a big conco guy, but from what I understand,

he's supposed to be incredibly smart. Oh, so they just dumbed him for the other me. Yeah, they always like to I mean Jolts true markers. It's amazing those little little Batman movies. They do not age well They're just there. They're knowingly like yeah Blue and it's yeah Even at the time I think people thought they were terrible Yeah, I think we like the first one. They like the Tim Burton one. Yeah Well, it's a weird thing where it's like I'm gonna do a bad movie. I'm gonna make it whimsical It's like no don't make a bad man movie whimsical. That's not what it's about. It's not

It's a comic book movie. I think people were just found out how to make comic book movies at that point I guess so and that's a thing that has to be talked about because there's definitely a fine line between I think you have to respect the comics to some extent. But the someone who we know who was really in the comics was talking about how he thought I'm not sure I can get into this but thought one of the other characters would be something else. Which would have more interesting the comics and thought it was sort of dumbed down. Boo! Jack just walked in. Boo! All right Jack, you get your spot. Jack is going to tag out with Kara.

Thank you for joining us Kara. I'm glad you got the chance to put us in the movie. You guys have to high five now. Tag out. Now you have to smack us out of the way. You're not gonna be able to smack us out of the way. Thank you Kara. She read it or teetheo when she about it. I was not talking about it. I was not talking about it. I was not talking about it.

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Yes. Well, they're rooffully fun minutes. I think this movie was like, but two hours, 45 minutes long. Yeah, it was really long. They didn't bother me. Yeah. Just because anything that sort of changes up the formula

a little bit, I'm fine with. And it just gave it a different sort of pacing or whatever, which that's fine. Anything is different, I like. What are my problems I had with the movie that I don't think it's too spoilerific is that there's not enough Batman in it. Like it seems like Batman's gone for a long time. That you did feel that when he was towards the late pasta movie.

Yeah. There's a lot of stuff going on. It cuts, like jump cuts straight to Batman. I was like, oh! There he is. It is killing me that we can't talk about stuff. Yeah. We should do a spoiler cast.

Last night there was a, we were texting each other about, oh, we should do a spoiler cast. Yeah, spoiler cast. We were all chomping at the bit to do that. Yeah. I think Bernie wanted to be included. But he sent me a text at 11 o'clock saying, hey, I can't make it to the podcast. So, okay. And we were talking about two choices. Batman and Breaking Bad. We'll see. Okay. I already Breaking Bad. I agree with you.

Okay. Because most people have not seen Batman yet. No. Probably. And it's going to take some while to digest it. We're $160 million for the people to sell Batman while we're ready. But still, you know, still like a lot of people may not have seen it or maybe they want to see twice or whatever. But you're seeing, breaking bad is you're still in it. You were, because then you can speculate on what's going on. I want to talk about breaking bad like this week,

like what happened, what already happened in this previous episode, so we can talk about what happened this week and then be like, okay, what do you think's gonna happen next week? The longer you wait, the more. I'm sure I get for how to do it. I'm gonna go do that with an upcoming episode. This still, you know, several episodes.

Did you see six episodes left? It's six several? Except several. No, it's still like the several I used to have. Several episodes left. I have no mood for shit today. So I can be over this. So like a couple episodes.

Have you seen Breaking Batman? Breaking Batman, I've not seen Breaking Batman. You're just Gavin talkss on it, man. I'm talking to him now. You're just gonna have to remiss a new... I'm just gonna have to remiss a new... I'm just gonna have to remiss a new... I'm just gonna have to remiss a new...

I'm just gonna have to remiss a new... I'm just gonna have to remiss a new... No, go ahead, go ahead. No, it's just that kind of style of noise. You can say something. No, you say something. I just wanna hear you talk to it. Your dog voice is amazing. You should have been on time to the podcast. I was thinking of my work, huh? I finished up what I was doing and then I joined the podcast. You walked out of the room and Jeff was like, God damn it, I needed him to film something.

And you're like, nope, peace out and walk. No, you could have filmed something and helped Jeff. I'm gonna be no day. We're gonna film something about a dog that needs a voiceover. You should do a left-played Minecraft just using your dog voice. And you should get a skin. Are there any skins that make you look like a dog? It can be. There's a canjo from Banja, because it comes in. You're a Michael did a skin. Are there any skins that make you look like a dog? Even be was a gadget from magic is a kind of a video with the hell was a video?

I was a winter mask. That was funny. That was a funny video. I was really funny. And you assholes won't finish it game. It is just scary. Hey, scary game. What you have? Next time we do that, we need to film Gavin play because Gavin is all over that room. He was bouncing around. It was scary and they absolutely got by me. What you said in thisaring the absolute gut family. What'd you say in a dark room? How much guff do you have anyway? Would you sit in a dark room alone knowing that there was nobody

within a mile of you at night playing that game? Were you all playing in a dark room? No, I was still scared. That's my point. Well, we should absolutely do that now and film it probably. You get scared of stuff? I figured we'll black it out. Get put a night vision camera on your face. I would get, I generally have gotten scared of stuff. Yes, I generally get scared of stuff. I figured we'll black it out. You put a night vision camera on your face. I would get I generally have gotten scared

It's stuff. Yes, I can't play. Is it you should make yourself scared of stuff? No more interesting. It's unpleasant. Is there any way we can set up a computer in the annex and is dark and everything as all You're doing is sitting there in the room by yourself. It's scarier when it's lit. No, no. Have you seen the air? I'm scared. It's a good. Did you see the photo that Chris tweeted yesterday?

We had a branded and I were trying to figure out how we're going to hang lights up on the reactors. So we had to get on the scissor lift. You know, we went up 20 feet in the air or something. And then we got a C-clamp and put it on the reactor. We thought, well, we need to put some weight on it. So we got that giant wrench we have and hung it on the C clamp. I thought, well, this is dangerous. We should put some head protection on. So we got those immersion army helmets and we were wearing them up there on the scissor lift under this giant wrench looking up at the ceiling. This sounds like a disaster It was pretty secretly took a photo and I look at like we look like fucking retarded

We look so stupid up there Yeah, see that's just I've never been on the Part that should be part of the site it was yeah, oh yeah moves We actually have people over there right now we have volunteers over there because we didn't want because we're having them sit there all day So that they can just lighting around them It's like stand-ins so that we don't have to pull anyone you know off of work like Gavin who wouldn't just walk out on his job But we do have volunteers to go out there. I just stand in you have a stand-in who will stand there for eight hours while This is not important enough to have stand-ins

This is not important enough to have standings Don't tell me that These volunteers like people like there's friends friends like there's a I'm sitting in the seat so some asshole can come sit in the seat later and say the word boobs That's pretty much so that some assholes can be in the other building talking about the dark night rises Yeah, I'm sorry. They saw the movie early and like the conversation they're having over there is probably more topical and relevant than what we're talking about right now. Do you think so? So are the doubles over there?

Do they try to dress in the up? Like they're dressing up like that. Just like they're not doubles. You get like a giant like bush to like stand in for Jack. How do you even like that? You're not bearded. I don't know how you're like. It's like... You mean like a tumbleweed? How do you even like that? You're not bearded. I don't know how you're even like, it's funny. We talk to you in like a tumbleweed,

like a tumbleweed with a very loud. How long did you go without trimming that beard? Probably about, almost eight months. I mean, I'll wait from the sides, but like the bottom I just let grow and grow. And the way it worked was like, so I went to, I went to the, you know when you had hair cut.

You shut the fuck up. I went to get my hair cut. And I was like, okay, I showed the woman a photo from like probably four or five months ago. So it was still long, but it wasn't like out of control. And I was like okay I showed the woman a photo from like probably four or five months ago so it was still long but it wasn't like out of control and I was like but this is what I what I want I don't want to get rid of all of it does you know trim it down a little bit because okay and like pulls out this razor and says boop is kill all of it like a one shot and I was like uh oh did you say okay no I can't put it back on and then you have to write that delicate balance of like if I insult them more or they're more

I've already just cut your losses and not insult them It's sure I mean it looks it's clean and it looks nice You know you have like a pet like an animal and you give the animal like a haircut And at the end of the haircut they just kind of look sad Like they look less of a person I'm gonna dog what animal do you give haircuts to? I'm just I can't get over your face. The flexion.

He's a flexion. Yeah. But they're like, he's a superior. And this is so obvious. What? Why can't you shave your own damn bed? Well, no, because I went to get my haircut because like they do it professionally. I would rather have professional.

You're professional to deal with your bed. Yeah. What? Did you feel? Did you see how unruly that beard was? I don't want to touch it like I can He's like a oil in my car But I'd rather go take it somewhere people know what the fuck they're doing

Yeah, you don't have to fucking worry about disposing of your beard hair after work Well, I'm with you up to a point. Okay, but they bring out a bag that had the biohazard Similott in there. So I want to mention I Wants to do in a different way this week. So, see, I'm gonna... I want to mention, I watched the car, just doing it in a different way this week. Oh, we're doing a giveaway. So, listen, did you give away something last week? Yeah, we did, we gave away the...

Marcus Phoenix thing, right? Yeah, the Project Triangle. The six-stuck is hell. I mean, I don't know if you ever talked about some of the stuff that we gave away at RTX, but it's like, that was amazing stuff. Yeah, we were... Some of us, do we give away some of some more of that stuff last week. They gave it like another snub pistol and stuff.

Yeah, and then two of the marketing sponsors were really awesome to hold. This week, however, we're giving away something different. Uh-oh. We're not giving away any more of those. We're going to give away, or I should say that game-minder who's sponsoring this week's podcast, hey, is giving away an Xbox 360 signed by the Ruchitik staff. No, cool. And you know,, the game minder was at RTX, and you can hear them talk about RTX on their own podcast, who we will crush.

And I'm still using that app. I don't know if you know I used it yesterday as a matter of fact. But it helps remind you what the release dates for games are, and when games are available for pre-order, you can pre-order them directly through the app. And get push notifications. Who can you pre-order? And that's everybody? Yeah I believe it goes through Amazon and you can get whichever app you want.

It's for Android, iOS and you can get it from gameminder.com. Yeah I used to yesterday look up one more way and it's to come here. I have a reminder set for this. The way it was. What did you just pick the games you want to know about and then it'll just push notifications to your phone. So just notice five at every game. Right. And you can choose specific, you can filter by platform if you want and to find specific games.

So here I've got five set up right there. Oh that's welcome. As you y'all. You dick. No it's actually, it's actually, it's really, it is a really cool app. And you can see I made use of it. I clicked on Halo 4 and there's an Amazon link right there. If you want to buy it. Oh, that's also, and then you can cancel your reminder.

Without a break, that's how it's going. Pretty cool. So, oh, I didn't say, if you want to, to, to be, to give a chance to win the Xbox 360, just send a tweet with the hashtag gameMinder360 or gameMinder360 all together. Our Rooster Teeth employees are eligible for this. Those teaching employees are not eligible. illiterate the contest ends this Friday At noon Texas time noon Texas time alright central time. Yes central time minus 6 gmt

So is that correct with the other saving time? I don't know if it's minus six or my spot. That's why I stopped saying you okay So I just say Texas time what does actually change there? Do you have to put the way it works is the week go from GMT zero to GMT plus one in the summer Yeah, see that's why I don't know in the UK plus also I think you all change your clock at a different time than we change our clock It's like a I think a week long period where Texas is only five hours behind England and then the next week is six hours Is that yeah, when I went to MCM in October? That's when the UK set their clocks an hour back.

Right. Then I came back to the United States and we had to set it and then like two days later, we had to change it again. It was like, stop fucking it. Yeah, it's a huge fan of the ass. Have we talked about Gavin asking what time it was in space? No, we have not. Oh my god.

It's a valid question, everyone's going crazy. Into that space station. We had this people there who have to know what time it was. Which time zone do they take the time from? Is this just an actual subject? No, that's not what he said. I would say it's face. So we did it the other night and we were talking about the International Space Station

and Gavin straight up, you know, completely serious, said, what time is it in space? And everyone on the table kind of stopped and looked at him and was like, wow, you are really that dumb. And now he's trying to say, like, oh, what time zone is it it? What time zone is it? It's like that's not what you said. We were told specifically about the ISS so I asked what time is it in space. Yes, that's exactly what you're saying. Time is relative to where you are on or some sure they just pick eight times zone, probably GMT and then they stick with that. Yeah, yeah. Thanks for your answer, guys.

There you go. I appreciate it. And for the rest of space, I don't know. I don't know what time it is on Mars. I don't know what time it is on the fucking Soyuz fucking shuttle as it's capsule as it's going to liaisis, but I can tell you an ISS, it's probably GMT. Cool. So when you're back in England, you're on ISS time.

Swindle fucker you're leaving. Yeah, why'd you come back? Since you ditched everyone at RTX, you didn't want to go you clearly hated RTX I'm sorry Gus that Gavin hated RGX. You want to go to it Bernie told a story about your dick touching a year And all that is true that probably more than made up for that was that was bad time I'm gonna wait until Bernie's on to talk about that again So you were legitimately pissed off at Bernie when he did that my genitals Bunged into the cold metal pissy surface of a urinal Rinal can you get an SKD like that? You probably absolutely can if someone's like

Spunk we're clear idea why you still Why are you still urinating when it touched? Yeah. Oh, dude, I'm like, did that. It's great. I'm like, oh, dude. Did you get back blind? I have to think it in your own. I know just to fight that in your mind.

The thing is, I don't know how you pee when you're, you know, pinging is one of those trough things. But I was looking down at my gentleman, and I was looking. I got to pee in, and then also I get kicked in the ass. So I go flying forwards, and I'm like, oh, I'm gonna bang my face because I'm holding The whole the orange when you pee I think because I don't get through the fire One was holding down my jeans and the other was holding my like Like I was doing

And my face is about to hit the wall. So I'm like, oh, I'm let back. You're in the big first move. And my jaw is just going, it's sphacking noise. Yeah. It was like, it was like, I'm not gonna piece a metalist in enough

where if you pushed it, it would be like, gulgum, gulgum, like, I'm with that. It would think that and it's like rattle through. Oh. So, was there anyone else next to you at the urinal? No, at that point. Okay. And then, um, birdie came out like tears down his back.

And he was like, the bathroom is literally opposite our booth. So everyone watched us go in there together, and they watched him come out like, you're just here and you would laugh at me. Just like, I just washed my penis. Did you go back to your room and like, take a dick shower or something? A shower thoroughly, that night. But I have to sit there with a bloody, I don't know.

Don't use that term when you're describing a penis. There's no blood, thanks. Okay, that's fucking hilarious. I'm Doreiled. And we broken Joel. I'm Doreiled, I know. Joel, what is in that Starbucks cup you always have with you at all times

Tea are you sure? Yeah, you know what I do is I order tea in the morning and then we got to lunch or whatever and then I get Sweet tea and I bring the sweet tea and I put it in the thing with the tea so it's like double It's like it's like green nasty tea or something now. It's green tea's not nasty No, but I'm not saying green tea's that. I'm saying whatever he has in there is nasty. It's green tea. I don't know. Now there's more to it than that.

Jack has more to it. Did you put beer in there? No, I should. Oh man. I should put beer. So at RTX, people gave me a ton of liquor. So I've been drinking like carcorder when I try to get through it. Someone gave me this bottle of moonshine called Old Smoky.

And it has like Marichino cherries in it, and it's super red. That sounds awesome. And it may be the best thing I've ever drank in my life. I drank it all. It's butter. You can't find any more in Austin. I have to find a plate of weird online.

It kind of sucks, it just glides down. It doesn't even feel like you're drinking it. It's like sugary sweet. Like you add it to any soda, and it's it's like a cherry coke or a cherry spray. That's cool. And that is cool. I wish we could have some no old smoking. It's what it's called. Yeah Yeah, I believe it was Dan Jitsu from the website. He typically is a person to get to me moonshine

But I have the best fast And it was just like oh my god. I got so much fucking booze Yeah, I like your mindset where it's just sort of like I have all this booze. I have to get through it Yeah, like it's fast at all. I got to clear up the inventory He Dan also gave me another bottle of this stuff called cat daddy This is the kid often cat daddy, but that's not really good a root beer. I'll bring some of that in real They're still a little bit left, okay. Yeah, for now when your your job is to Supply this podcast with your collection. No, no, my job is to till the podcast what they can buy

I'm not bringing my personal stash in y'all fucking crazy man What's what's your name? Dan Jitsu Dan JITSU why is there a stamp on your laptop Joel in case it gets lost it can be returned to you Return to center. I had a I did too. It's to keep mine from looking it's to keep it's to make mine stand out from other laptops So because there's so many of these laptops hang around here that it's like I don't want to actually No, I've got stickers on my laptop same sort of deal I was just the close that's the only thing I have is, it's in sticker form. That's why we signed.

No other stickers. That's why we signed Gavin's desk. So we know it's his. So if he gets lost, we'll return it. So do you know Joel? I think maybe we talked about this the other day. Are there people who invest in postage stamps? There are.

You can buy a forever stamp now, right? For 44 cents or whatever, then has postal rates increase, then it's value increases. Right. a forever first class stamp is a great investment because the post office is totally screwed and forever is going to have to keep, it's going to have to price for you. If you spend, if you put all your money into just buying these stamps, that's your retirement, right? You just hold on to them and then you flog them later for whatever they do that.

Yeah, you're flogging them please do that. Please do that, Gavin. That's very sound. You should do that please do that Gavin that's very sound you should do that would that know I like I'm I'm I'm in I like you're vlogging and you're I like I'm totally with that but I think people would have the confidence that the postal service would stay solid long enough to that's a good investment that's a good point yeah I saw story the other day I don't know what it was I'm some fucking news program about people who collect what is it like, like pre 1983 pennies that have more copper in them.

Yeah, it's the same thing that piled in. Same thing with Nickel, like the amount of, I guess, I'm not sure, I guess Nickel is worth more than five cents. So, a Nickel right now is worth more than five cents. So, there are people, hedge funds, who are stocking up and getting tons of nickels. And they're all just waiting. It's like, it'll just be a matter of time before they start withdrawing a lot of the minerals out of actual nickels. Yeah, but then what can you do with that? Like it's not worth more, it's worth its face value. It's illegal to melt

down coins. Is it? Yes. I think the theory is that there will be a recognition for certain nickels, you know, coined by a certain date will be considered more valuable based on date. Then our banks and our government got this, I was like a fucking conspiracy. Are they secretly taking those coins out of circulation so that they don't have to pay out? I don't know. Because it seems like if you're going to do something like that, like for 10 years before

you pass that rule. Well, the guy who said it's funny,'re going to do something like that. Like for 10 years before you pass that. Well, again, it's funny. The guy who runs the hedge fund was like, I'm going to get all these nickels and said, I want a million dollars. Got a million dollars and nickels. And the bank was like, why do you want a million dollars and nickels?

And it's like, they had to go to the Fed. The Fed's like, why did you do you want a million dollars and nickels? It's just like, I just, his answer was, I just like nickels. Who's talking on the door? Come in, come in. Where's it? Come in talking on the door come in come in come in come in come make come make make make make make make make make make make make make make make the doors we've locked the door who is it come on open it what it's money we're in the middle of the podcast recording right now there's a sign on the door that says podcast

recording and progress and do not enter did Did you see the sign? This is do not enter? You entered? I don't know where Bernie is. He's not here. Please tell him in money. So they let him withdraw. He eventually got him. Yeah. So I don't know. So you got a million dollars. I'm not. When I was watching that same news program, they also talked about how it's illegal to leave the country with a certain amount of coinage. Like you can only leave, I think, with like a hundred dollars in pennies or something small like that. Because in other countries, it would not be illegal to burn, to melt down the coins. The thing is, is that we all understand

why they're doing that is because the theory is like to try to keep criminal activity you know, cycled, but it's like, I just don't like that stuff. Yeah, it's cash also. You can't, like if you have more than $10,000 in cash, you have to declare it, and you have to go through like, cuss things. And we may or may not have had that genuine problem before. I mean, you know what I discovered?

I had a problem boarded at a point of entry. They have money-sniffing dogs. They just identify money and not drugs. Do they shave them? Yeah, how does a dog know that someone's got too much money? I think it just hits if there's a specific... The question is, what does money smell like? Cocaine?

Probably like dead skin cells and? Yeah, there was a thing going on in my town I'm just back in England. I was talking to some people where they're about to rip up all the copper from They're gonna just replace the all the internet with fiber optic and they're gonna it's gonna cost a lot of money to do it But they're gonna make more money just selling the copper that's already there really yeah, they're gonna make all the money back and more Just selling the copper. It's crazy. So fiber is cheaper than copper? I guess it is. It's more valuable to it. It's cheaper enough to where they can dig out the old shit and put in new shit and still make money on that. Why is that making enough fiber to cover the whole country and each town has got

these copper and roses? It's in England. In England? Yeah. That seems fucking ridiculous to me. That's crazy. Yeah. It's probably a little copper under there. It's a no place. There's always a story about people who decide they want to steal copper. It happened here in Austin a couple of years ago. Some idiot broke into like a power substation to steal copper. Yeah. And got electrocuted. It's dying because he's like touched life. You know, I Voltage wires in a fucking substation That's always smart. Yeah, it seems like as time goes on I'm learned by the way. I'm on Dan Jitzu's page

I don't know and I've been forming him that I can't quite give him my award yet because I haven't gotten any alcohol from him To what we were supposed like we were there's more awards on their way right like that I think like three years ago when I started working here It was like oh, yeah, hey, you're gonna get an I think like three years ago when I started working here, it was like, oh yeah, hey, you're gonna get an award and then they actually drew it up and I never got it. Yeah, we actually made awards for everyone. I don't know what happened to them.

Well, like we had like the second wave of awards and I was in there and then that just never happened. That was like two years ago. Yeah, it was like two years ago. So what happened? Huh. You should talk to the director of technology if I know what this is.

At the time, you were the director of technology, yeah, but I don't know. I'm not in that anymore. Oh, he passed on everything. That's an atom question. Jesus. I'm more busy. I'm too busy now with the podcast. I want to talk about breaking bad. It's so bad. Let's talk about it without spoiling it. We can talk about the end of season four, right? Yeah. At this point, yes, it's been for over a year. No, over a year. No, it went over a year. His face broke and off his face came off. His face came off. They told you in the title of the episode, the title of the episode was face-off.

Yeah. There's time to finish. Right. Clevver, because you think nothing of them, and then it's like, oh, I got it. Yeah. Let's see how the face is. Well, there's some cool stuff.

Like, the beginning of season four, when they were in Gale's apartment, because you know, in season four, it begins with the aftermath of Jesse shooting Gale in the face. Right. So it begins with, not a Jesse shooting Gail in the face, right? So it begins with, not a victim, is a victor? Was he the guy who went to the, he was the one, the first episode was box cutter. We're gushed straight up, the first snout guy, but he goes there and he's looking around the apartment and one of the things he sees in the apartment is like this painting of

a face that has like half of it removed. So a bit full shadow here, yeah, man. And so I remember when that episode, when the final episode came out, people were like, you know, connecting all of it removed. Oh, so a bit of foreshadow here, yeah, man. Yeah, and so I remember when that episode, when the final episode came out, people were connecting on the stuff. People also speculated, remember in the, was it season two after the plane crash? Yeah, the bear floating in the pool that went like half of its face.

Yeah, blow out. Yeah, I've all rolled around for a while. Yeah. It seems like the end of season four was actually a conclusion, like it could have ended there. I think it was season three, it was a cliffhack. They weren't sure if there was going to be a season five. Yeah, they left a few dangling things.

I don't know what it is. God, how could they, how could they not, I mean, surely they're doing well in the ratings, right? Well, it's an expensive show to produce apparently. There was, it was a very last minute deal to get this fifth season from AMC. I don't understand it, man. I mean, AMC is like killing it.

Yeah. Well, they're killing it, but they they don't support their shows like walking dead You know what you heard what happened? They're not getting the ad revenue I guess I have no idea. I mean like I have to imagine that this is what it's It takes forever to catch up to what's going on. Yeah, it seems like ad revenue just takes forever to figure out where actual viewers are Yeah, I mean it's weird. I mean, look at us, but whatever. What is it?

His ad revenue cut up to. Are we seeing the internet? I mean, actually, I've always been sponsored for the podcast now, so I've only took what two and a half years. It's sponsored. It took two decades. Two decades. There's something very specifically about CG. In the, from what I've seen, CG looks so organically good when it's combined with someone's face. Like, it looks like it's in consistent matter, seems like it's easier. You know, the money here it is, it seems like it.

It just looks, it kind of pans around half of his face is off. It looks so real. I'm good. I'm so happy that it's face. Yeah, I'm happy. I'm so happy. Where is the joint? It's absolute. even it's unbelievable but do yeah when he walks out at room and like a justice High drops

I need to like stop it and I rewound it like instantly I want to go on zoom in my Xbox like what the fuck Yeah, mr. Mr. Ding Ding like it in the button In your ding thing in your ding thing and it's all one shot as well. It just goes from a gust stands up and then the door gets busted out into the hole and it's just the same shot. And then you might want to explode you too. It's a no fire. It's just like, boom. Yeah.

It's something like a gust of combustion explosion. We were talking recently about you were saying how when there's an explosion, some, it's like a certain like, concussive force of the body just can't survive it just dies Yeah, you're just your nervous system turns off That's why a lot of times a lot of weapons and artillery They don't have to blow up or create an explosion you they just have to hit you with a strong enough conclusive wave So it's just like the sound wave that just it just shuts off your your brainstem and your nervous system You just die that's trippy so that people just like dead on the ground with no real

Injury right just like a shockwave hits them and that's it they look totally fine because I filmed some explosions back when I used to film stuff in slow motion where we would like blow up a thousand pound bomb from like a mile away and obviously in real time it's just like you see the light and then it's like how it hits you but in slow motion you get this dome of like you know you just see it's like a bubble But in slow motion you get this dome of like... Yeah, I'm trying to figure it out. You just see it, it's like a bubble shield in Haylap. It just gets bigger. Is it like the sonic uh...

I don't know where it is. It's just like the ripple in the sound. It just pushes out. Yeah, you see that on Mythbusters a lot when they're blowing up big stuff. You know, we watched an episode of Mythbusters recently that the episode was, it was a guy with a fire extinguisher and a guy with a flame thrower. And they were facing off each other and then they shot him at each other at the same time. And in this video, they would hit in the middle and kind of like, you know, like dissipate or whatever.

And they were like, okay, we're going to see if this is actually true. If there's a fake, there's a music video. Yeah, they were like referencing this music video. Is this a real? Yeah, they were like, this is, you know, this is pretty cool, but we're going to see if we can like, recreate this. What exactly are they testing? Well, they were seeing if it know this is pretty cool But we're gonna see if we can like retreat what exactly are they testing well They're to see if they're seeing if it was

Each year it's water. Oh, I said it was fire extinguisher And it was fire extinguisher. Yeah, yeah, it was a water no, no, it was a fire extinguisher facing off against a flame thrower Okay, and then so these two guys kind of like these hill be looking guys shooting at it But it was for a music video and we were watching it We actually a Jeff's place and Gavin walks over goes. Oh, yeah, I shooting at it, but it was for a music video and we were watching it. We actually had Jeff's place and Gavin walks over and goes, oh yeah, I shot that. Yeah, it was a fucking music video. Gavin shot. So did they do that on set? It didn't work. Did they stop the fire? Yeah, eventually, the fire extinguisher they had, they were using a normal one and it wasn't shooting out far enough so they'd build

a fire extinguisher to go the distance that the flames were all would would go but ultimately they got it to work but it's funny because like yeah I was like oh yeah that's yeah it's totally real because I was there. Now did you guys applaud at the end of the episode? because you have had worked on it. Do you have an issue? The whole point. You've worked on the episode so clearly you need your regular applause. Yeah, put it up.

Wait what? I think I missed that part of being stupid earlier. Do you have an issue with the fact that I didn't clap a movie? You don't clap in movies? Do you clap in movies? On like big premieres? Do you clap at the top night? Uh, fun Thursday, yeah.

Who are you clapping for? The, the, every, the spirit of theater. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha I'm just feeling it. You're gonna leave now. You gotta say more things out there. You're just laughing because the people around him weren't talking or texting him. So he was like applauding the fact that he wasn't getting it. I thought instead of the spirit, do we talk about talking and texting our human beings? Yeah, we did.

We talked about certain people standing texting. I've been on a date about that for a long time. Okay, we outed them. For being bad moviegoers. At the draft house too. Come on man. Although there was no, we didn't have that. We didn goers at the draft house too come on man Although there was no we didn't have better we didn't have the stinger the no talking stinger before did you guys that one first green? I was asleep

I wanted to go but Rb 10 has been killing me I just wanted to come in and talk about that, but you know there's a lot to do so I'll get back to work Rb 10 is looking great that Episode 8 is coming out right? Yeah, but that was a little stuff from Paxi, so we kind of had a buffer, but we're chasing some really good sequences coming up. I got a really lot of, I took a bit of a break, I don't really take a break, but I was away from my desk for a while, so I'm coming back with a lot of really good scenes.

We just kind of got to chase that deadline now. It's been a while since I've been back there to see what you're working on. I'm gonna... We didn't have to kind of look at your fire extinguisher flamethrower scene. We had to clap after we were... No flamethrower sequence in this season, spoiler for that, because you know, that was a pain in the ass last year. But I got a new stuff coming. It's fire in the ass work with, and see, gee?

Yeah, it isn't, it isn't. My version is actually really easy, but we did a version that was harder last year. What's the hardest thing? Hardest thing is people. People are hard, man. Do you think that's because people have, or the viewer has more experience looking at faces?

That's exactly the reason. Yeah. I shot a video recently of Molotov cocktails, exploding on the side of a house and slam action on a shot, too. It looks so good. It looks fake. It looks so good. It looks it looks fake It looks okay It does like this something this a point where like liquid and just elemental stuff like fire can really slow down

Just like can I have and use that footage for our season sure Come out from the the brick wall. I thought I was this episode that came out this week I think I have a cameo in the episode I'm not sure I think the beginning like a gap I just applaud at the end episode. I didn't I'm sorry. It's like it's it's pilot. She's telling you that. Yeah, I think that's me grunting. So that literally is like you can recognize the grunt. I see you guys like a clap whether someone's worked on your not. You ain't a clap regardless. Who's gonna come to say it today? I'm sat there like in my room with a laptop, no a clap

Oh, what a crazy, what a Jeff was probably in the next room He ever heard of it Probably Was Jeff in that episode? He lived in a house for about 20 people I think Well, I think Griff was in the episode So, sure Jeff was

I haven't been with a voice anyone relevant in this show Three years here and I still haven't voiced anyone It's just, it's either Jack Either Joel Either I. Yeah. Then we're down to the insulting portion of the podcast. I hate you too. You're stupid.

You're face. You're face. You're face. You're face. All the time, I'm sure we've talked about RTX, but it was pretty awesome. Like, a lot of people showed up from my panel. I wish we could have fit people more people in. Like, Gus, they like overflowed and they had to cut people off.

I got people all weekend telling me how they wanted to make it in, but they got cut off way to go guys. Yeah, we're going to have bigger pound rooms next year. I'm excited for RTX 2013. This one was awesome and it's going to be, yeah, it's going to be really cool. It was, it was a good learning experience. We, I feel like we did some things right and we learned what we didn't do right. I feel like you should put up like you should have like you should get like make it like an RTX review or you know like. Or the people I'm sure people review the the con. Oh yeah, there's been tons of a lot of journal tons of feedback.

Don't let Joel and stays without a whole. No, it was fun. I mean, I know I did the Geeks you drink event and we ended up I mean, God, we had a great time there, but we had we had enough room for about they like I thought our capacity was 200 and then I walk in like okay, you can fit about 90 people. And I was like, oh, God, dammit. So, like, I end up having to fill the room. Like, we didn't have, we didn't have enough tables.

We only had enough tables for 90. We ended up putting another about 45, like, seats worth where we just made, like, pretended there was a table there and just made circles of seats. We filled all those up and then we had people sitting on the floor. Like, we were just getting as many people as we could and even after that I walked outside. I think we probably had maybe 175 plus the 200 and something like that. Was this on Saturday? Yes, Saturday night. So, but then I like walked outside and I like personally apologized the people were a lot of and so sorry. Like we I had to turn away probably 100 to 200 more people. And it was just like, so why did you think it was only,

why did you think it was 200? And the size of the room and how many tables that accommodated was one thing, but then not there weren't the same number of tables put in as. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. And so like the tables took a more space, obviously, than normal rows of chairs. So I think the room had like a capacity of like 330. And then with the tables, you know, that kills a lot of space because you have a table in front of chairs. So I think the room had like a capacity of like 330 and then with the tables, you know, that kills a lot of space because you have a table in front of you. But for,

you know, at a trivia type thing, you need something in front of you and the circles worked out well. Yeah, fuck the table. It's just like sardine everyone in there. Well, the size of table that they needed was not a standard table that was provided by the convention center. So there was no floor plan for it or no. Yeah. See, this fits into the conversation that you had before RTX where it's like We just had a meeting about how we had a hole in the table and there it is. There. That's that's a fun I mean all along. I mean that everyone who was there in the room had a great time like I feel bad for the people

He didn't make it in I know I don't know if we completely sold out or completely filled up the the music So I think people could still get into that no problem, but still But I mean like no, RTX was amazing. I mean it was a lot of fun. Like I think this is the first time I've been on since RTX. It's like, yeah, I think so. Because I was a fan of you. I was a fan of you into Comic Con, yeah. Yeah, me too.

And um, yeah. How was Comic Con? Comic Con was awesome. It was a lot of fun. Like I know like the booth was great. We, so we had, we had six giant boxes of Griffballs. And we, what we did was we saved three for the first half and then three for the second half.

And I think how many Griffballs is that, probably about 250, 300? Yeah, something like that. Yeah, so the Griffballs, the first batch of Griffballs pretty much sold out on Preview Night. So over the course of maybe like two hours. And then we had our second batch of Griffballs that we were telling people, hey, Saturday morning, we're going to have more Griffballs, and they sold out in about two hours. Yeah, wow. And it was just like, holy crap.

And people kept coming up and asking for it, and it was awesome. I mean, like, it was kind of tough going from somewhere like RTX, where we literally have a convention hall worth of space, down to a 10 by 10 booth. So, yeah. It was a little bit of a kind of a shock to the system and be like, uh, shoot. But, uh, anyway, I mean, it was awesome, like Barbara and Caleb and Jordan really kicked ass the booth. And, uh, I was there there and I came with my girlfriend and she dressed up like a really hot elf and that was a lot of fun to walk around. Yeah that was not a distraction at the booth at all.

No, no, no, no. But no more people were coming by the booth and check out what was going on. I hate what's going on over here. It was great. But uh anyway we uh we know quite a good time walk around and uh met a lot of cool people. I saw the triforce guys there. Yeah, I keep seeing you in, I don't know if you go to the grocery store and subreddit much or not, but I keep seeing videos people take at San Diego Comic Con, they're like, oh my God, I just realized Jackson my video.

I did like, you're walking in the background to like a crowd of people and you're using that identify because of that fucking beard. Yeah, that's Jack, all right. Pretty easy to spot, but yeah, Halo 4 was there, so we went and saw Alison and Jessica and all those people, like they, they literally left them RTX to go out to CarmCon as well, so that was neat.

Didn't we hung out with the Mega 64 guys? They were next to us this year, sending right next to us this year. Typically, in years past, they've always been way on the other end of the convention hall. They've actually put them down by the video games. Right. And this year, they moved them over to us. Which is quite happening to the people that used to be next to us. I don't know. I've only been to CarmCon one of their previous times, so I'm not sure who him over to us. Which is something that people that used to be next to us. I don't know.

I've only been to Comcom one other previous time, so I'm not sure who was next to us. But yeah, meg 64 is there now. It was like, it was a group of web comic artists, including the guy who does looking for group. Okay. Some other affiliate web comics. I wonder where they moved to. That's really weird.

But yeah, we still had a spike in mic was right behind us. So we need to murder them and take their space. Yeah. To get that in cat. That would be so awesome. We'll get it in cat. Every year I ask for it. But I know I know we did again this year. So we'll see if that happens. Probably. One day we'll get it. But I noticed we didn't we didn't have any like panels or anything this year. Yeah, we never apply for them. Okay. They can I mean they came to us. Yeah, if they come to us and wants to do it, but we don't apply for it typically. Yeah. Maybe 64 out for them. Okay, they can I mean they came to us. Yeah, if they come to us and wants to do it But we don't apply for it typically yeah, maybe 64 out of panel and I popped into that red variant and they filled up a room So that was very cool. I don't know how big the room was at RTX that they were in the big the big room at our team

Yeah, right. It wasn't that big, but it was still pretty cool to see those guys They're funny. It's fun. I'm going to come a kind of like a million times and I've never gone to a panel because I'm obviously working the whole time or whatever so it's like it's alien to me to even think that there are panels or words like I guess there's rooms upstairs Yeah, but you don't even know where that would be right? Yeah, yeah, it's funny Yeah, I've said like all my time on the convention floor I don't know nothing about the other part of it The one panel I went to is one year when we had one and I was like Mm-hmm

And I was totally lost like I've been to Comic Con for five years at that point. I was like, just I have no idea where the panel's on. Yeah. I try to go to a panel one time actually and I got like, I hate true blood and one of the reasons why is because of this is I was trying to go to the fringe panel, which was, you know, a huge fan of the show fringe. And I waited in line for probably an hour and a half and then I was 30 people away and they said, sorry, we're sold out. I'm hearing a million stories like that. I have a lot of friends who are in the sci-fi and haven't well before, you know,

Rupert Ethan been going to the thing for a long time, almost 20 years and it's like, they're getting the point where it's just like, man, it is just a crunch of people. Oh, it's sort of a massive humanity. They're telling me stories where it's like, well, I wanted to get to this one panel, but it's sort of like, and we woke up at like three in the morning

And we got one five in the morning and it's just like didn't couldn't get in Yeah, just what if you have to be committed to the point of you were gonna spend the night Yeah, what what happened was for me was after the French panel was the true blood panel So people were waiting in line and they were going to the panel prior to true blood in order to get a seat for the next panel So there's a crap of people in there who didn't care about friends I just wanted to get a seat for the next panel. Why do they do that way? They don't clear the room just because it takes you It's two different schools of thought and we definitely you know experience this with rtx where you if you book panels too closely

You don't have time to clear the room. It's too big if you if you put too much time between them Then you can't fit all the programming and you want to. A few of my friends went and got in line for the Legend of Korra, the new Avatar panel, and they just, they happened to also see the Firefly panel, which was really cool, and all. But then it's like, man, they got in line at like 2 a.m. on Friday night, and we're able to get into two panels, and I'm sure plenty of people didn't

make into this like you know it's a 5,000 person room and can only fit like I'm sure like more people than that showed up but they got in line at 2 a.m. and there were already like 200 people in front of them. You know, yeah, well you heard about the twilight thing where people were in line at the day like a whole a full day before the first panel which I think the twilight panel was the first one it was so it was like 36 hours people in line. And someone actually got hit by a car. Like she was crossing the street,

got hit by a car going to wait in line for Twilight. Hey, did they build that pedestrian bridge? They did, but it's way the hell down. It's like past the baseball stadium. What? Yeah. It's next, you know that, why would they put it in front of the convention center?

I don't know, the one who was right in the gas line. It is astonishing to me because you look at the layout of that thing and when that thing lets out at the end of the day or people coming in and they've got railroad tracks going through and just like I don't know how more people aren't. So it like- They've hit grid locks. But whole area, cars can't move.

It's impossible. It's like a sea of humans. So if you're looking forward at the convention center, that hotel on the left, the thing that's a Hilton on the far left. Yeah. So in the high end. Yeah, what you have to remember is,

when you're looking at it, if you're looking at the center, it's on your left side. Like where the work hall H is on that side. So it's pretty much you walk out of that hotel and it's right in front of you. That's how far that is. That's how far it is.

It's fucking retarded. Yeah, and so it drops you off literally on the other side of Pet Park. Basically, they built it for the baseball field and not the convention center. Exactly. They built it for a field that holds 50, 60,000 people. And so the convention center that holds a fucking hundred

and 20,000. Yeah. If they would have built it to go right across the street, right into the gas land district. That's right. I thought they were going to do that. Yeah, that's when you were talking about pedestrian bridges, like, oh yeah, cool.

And then I talked to megastix four guys. I was like, oh yeah, I heard about this. Like, oh yeah, that's it down there. Does that convention center have any other events throughout the year that is anything close to Comic Con? I can't imagine. No, no. Like in my hotel, I'm watching the news.

And that's everything that it's about. Like, expanding the convention center, how it brings economy to San Diego, like, what are they going to do next year? Apparently, they're going to, like, they may lose it to Vegas. I hope they lose it to Vegas. That would be awesome if they lost the Vegas. I love San Diego, but that, that, that one thing is a sticking point for me for that convention center. Yeah.

If they don't come to Con in Vegas, I don't know what that would be two awesome on top of it. So much cool. I would. People say like, oh, you know, like, oh, it's supposed to be a kids thing and it's supposed to be a young, but like, they're honestly weren't that many children there. Like, it's all is all older adults and stuff. So you put in Vegas, you're going to lose maybe half a percent of the people who go to

it, which you know, that's still like, you know, 5,000 people or so, but more people are going to be able to show up to it because they've actually hit capacity at Comic Con. I mean, they sell out every single year. Yeah, they think of that as a thing. And there's convention halls. And Vegas are like triple the size. I'm going to have to how much of the formula goes into the fact that it's like They're so close to LA. It's a lot easier to bring talent down the last

True, but his Vegas closer to LA than San Diego Probably pretty big close Two hours rise. San Diego is closer. I think but I guess it's close So you either way to short fly. I guess so. Yeah, I guess so so anyway I think I would love to see you go to Vegas. I mean something that big is just like at that point You've hit capacity is just it's too much of a pain the What is the biggest convention center in Vegas? Probably the biggest convention center the one right behind The health and it's the one over there for the Hilton is yeah, well that is the

Hilton convention. Yeah, this was this was CES is held right and like I have you ever been a CES? Once yeah, that's that's it's massive. It's frightening how big it is. I mean, like, you walk in there, and you're like, I can't see the back of the hall. And you realize there's another one on top of it. There's a second floor identical. It's just like, the overflow is so bad that it's like, I was saying at the Venetian or whatever,

and it took me two hours to get my elevator. No, it took me two hours to get my elevator at the same time. Are there any buildings that are so big that they have to curve around the Earth? Well, you know the biggest building you were to look on the back end. And one time you could see the floor. I have an interesting thing about that. You know the Birds Dubai, which is the tallest building in the world.

Yes. If apparently there have been special rules about Ramadan made because that building is so tall that Sunsit happens four minutes earlier on the ground that it does on the top floor. So, if you're a Muslim who lives on certain floors, there are sundown happens at different times for you. So you could theoretically be on the ground watch sundown go get an elevator Get up to the top floor and then watch sundown again. I think I've set different times. I think it's crazy What's he plus? I think it's building in the

In the world. That's a version of Dubai Well, that's the tallest right? What's the difference? He's like biggest like net like Space to the level of volume. Oh, I don't know. I think it's a Boeing is it the Boeing airplane factory? Could be I only know tallest. I don't know if only it'll laptop in front of you to you know ask It's only that matters to me not volume you can go at good of being he's being social I know that when the the Twin Tows were up they were closer together on the bottom than they were on the top Really? Yeah, I think like

Did you see the documentary, Man on a Wire? That looks so fucking boring. It's kind of boring, but it's a really, really interesting story. It's a guy who back, I guess in the 60s or 70s, him and some friends basically crashed the, that's terrible, the way to say it, they broke into the World Trade Center, went to the top. Well, they were still building it.

I think this might be the ninth time you brought this up on the podcast. Yes. Monty? Maybe the 10th. The name sounds familiar. OK. But the way that you're going to story doesn't.

OK, so these guys go to the top of the World Trade Center to the two towers. And then they make two towers. And about a god with a big head. And they threw a cable across. And then one guy tightrope walked between the two World Trade Center towers. And it's like, throw a cable across. I don't like tightrope walked between the two world trades in our towers. I just throw a cable across.

I don't know. I've seen the movies, they have like a hook on it. But yeah, so they set up a tightrope between the two towers and one guy walked back and forth and like cops were there on the roof with them and they were like, well, we can't do anything. Please come down. So eventually like after like an hour or so of him doing that, he walked across, he got arrested. And one of the Academy Horde for Best Doc Mary.

I know, and I still can't bring myself to watch, because it looks so fucking boring. Just throwing this out familiar, but I think it was kind of forever ago. It was kind of boring. All right, well, we need to wrap up because we have, as a special segment this week, Bernie and I talked to Rocket,

who is the creator of the Day Z mod for Armored 2. I thought he was the monkey in the plane of the apes that he gets the cookie. No, it might also be Rocket. Can I say some real quick before we wrap up? Hey, so Friday is Achievement Hunter's 4-Year anniversary. Oh, congratulations. Thank you very much.

And as a celebration, we're going to be playing Burnout Paradise during the day. We're going to be streaming it live from the office and then we're playing Halo Reach that night. So, if you want to celebrate with us, start four year anniversary with Cheap Hunter, feel free to check out Cheap Hunter.com. I've been wanting to play some more burnout paradise for a while now. That's a lot of scum.

The last time I played was a year ago, so. It's funny to go back and watch some of those early videos. They're so bad. They are so bad, dude. But anyway, so thank you for four years of a Cheap Hunter. And keep listening, we'll be talking with two rocket about daisy and the future Bye. Hey everyone. We're super excited to have a couple people involved with the

creation or I guess the the running of the popular daisy mod for arm too with us We have met lightfoot and rocket from like you guys worked for bohemia directly and rock it from, uh, like, do you guys work for Bohemia directly? Um, not the mind of all I was working for around the time, but yeah, but no problem now. Okay. So, uh, we're both, you know, huge fans of the Daisy mod, and Bernie's the one who introduced it to me, actually. I have no idea how you heard about it initially, Bernie. Well, here's how I heard about it. So, I was So I was talking about the podcast about different types of zombie games. I was talking a little bit about how Minecraft is essentially a zombie game, where you build

your shelter and then the sun goes down, outcome of the zombies and the monsters, and you have to survive all night. It's going to change a little bit, you know, because I play the PC version and you know, it's once you get past that first night or two nights, then you're kind of safe. And it's just like you have to stay away from creepers and things. Anyway, we got to talking to guys that one time about how it'd be great to have a zombie survival game where your whole goal is just to survive and scavenge and just stay alive as if it was a real zombie apocalypse.

And after we talked about that, it was like three or four months later all of a semester you'd all these tweets like it was like one of the time first then it was like three or four of people saying hey you should really check out daisy you should really check out daisy and I was like okay I've enough people have said this I got to check this out so I got on steam downloaded arm too and installed daisy mod and immediately jumped in and go this is exactly what we're hoping for zombie apocalypse simulator so how long have you had you guys been working on it I'm going to be able to get a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little developed for another mod for a mod too. But Yani really seriously I guess since since since light December. So what prompted you to choose to you know create these mods, I was obviously surprised to get made more, what prompted you to create these mods in the Armored 2 engine?

Well I guess that was quite familiar with it and it's also a very versatile engine so there's obviously quite a receptive boat community and the studio self-sacrificed to the Marts and I had used virtual battlespace 2 with my work and the military and it's based on the same engine. So when I think of you know zombie survival games I find I find in my head I wouldn't imagine there would be much parallel between a military tactical, very nitty-gritty game, but it seems to work well. Are there any things that you wish you had that would make your life easier in creating the mod? Yeah, like with the Yammer armor engine as a carpet stain, so it's not a huge

impasson inventory and things like that. So that's something that's very used. And it would make a big difference for it as well. So you talk about inventory and I think one of the big things about ARMA is, or not about ARMA, about Daisy, is when you spawn, you have nothing. I mean, I feel like there's obviously been changes made. Like you used to spawn with the gun and now, you know, when you spawn, I think you get what painkillers, a bandage, and a flashlight. And that's it. You know, was there a lot of, you know, fear on your part when you make a decision like that? That's a really core decision to make people who used to spawn with a gun, now spawn with

no gun, how much worry and goes into that? Yeah, well I guess that's a very good point that you've raised. I think there is a pretty big danger when you've those changes happen, and even small changes, like changing the orderability of a weapon of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit an important part of the experiment and you know the vast majority of players out there, they want to see these kinds of experiments and changes too to see what works and what doesn't. And I guess really it's just a matter of making the change and then just seeing what happens and that's the advantage I guess of being a mod rather than a game is that you can make those decisions because you don't have to worry whether or not someone's going to buy your product.

Ryan, to good point. Hey Rocket, I have to ask your accent. I thought Bohemian's located where? Just like I did in the Czech Republic. In the Czech Republic, but you obviously don't have a Czech accent. Are you from New Zealand? That's correct. I am from New Zealand. Gus, how do you like my ability to spot in Australia? I was going to commend you. That indicates you've spent a bit too much time in Australia and New Zealand. To be able to tell a difference between the two accents. So that's usually so where are you located if I can ask? At the moment, I'm located in Prague.

Oh, in the Czech Republic? And so did you integrate from New Zealand to Prague? Yeah, that's right. So I was working for the Army at the time in New Zealand, and then I headed over the Czech Republic on a contract to do some contract work on Arm 3, which was one of the, I guess one of the reasons I did work quite heavily on the daisy mod during sort of January, February and then, because I didn't speak the language, I was in a small town in the Czech Republic, so I had a lot of free time, you know, so at nights

and that and it was also a good chance for me to become familiar with the engine while I was working on Arm 3. So I guess it was sort of a meeting of a bunch of, you know, different little things that really meant that I focus quite heavily on it while I was there. And what's your background with a why is zombie survival team? Like why did you choose to meet that mind? Well I've always been pretty interested in zombies and infections and things like that. And you know my brother is a virologist so we'd had lots of discussions you know, my brother is a virologist, so we'd had lots of discussions, you know, after

watching, you know, zombie movies and things like that. I'm kidding, and that's pretty good to hear. And I think, I think everyone has, and you were talking about Minecraft, it was the same thing for me when I first picked up Minecraft, that was the thing that, for me, I really enjoyed was that, wow, I'm in this hostile world, I'm going to have to survive. And you know, for better for worse, you know, Minecraft went in the really awesome direction of creativity. So you know, you build stuff and all that.

And it went very heavy in that direction. But I really wanted to see more of that survival type of stuff. And particularly really brutal, non-stylized world survival. So then I thought, okay, well, I'll obviously have a go. So it was also a good chance to do some performance testing on the engine as well. So it tends to be, you know, a smaller group play that it usually had previously.

Yeah, and then, I mean, one of the crazy things we really enjoy about it too is that these zombies survival game, but just the introduction of other survivors, which are the other human players, and the way the dynamic of the environment, it just turns the survivors into as big an obstacle as the zombies. Was that something you hoped for, or just kind of something that came about that was a little unexpected. There was definitely hope for her.

I mean, that freedom to play as who you are was really important because that was another frustrating thing I found was when it's kind of like a movies when you know, in horror films, when characters do something and you're like, why did they do that? I was seeing a lot of that happening with, with when I was playing games.

So I would find that my character is being forced to do something that didn't make sense to me. And I really didn't want that to exist in daisy. So if you decide that the first thing you're going to do is go straight to Tuna and you've got no weapon, you've just got to torch, then that's fine. The game lets you do that even if that is a really silly move. That adds kind of a gravity to the decisions you make. And to me that felt like an important part of a zombie survival game was, you know, the most important decisions they're going to be the decisions you make. And the most important decisions are probably the ones you make in the first five minutes.

So that adds a whole level of tension to the thinking that you have to make in the gun. You know, it's funny to talk about other survival movies. When I would watch these movies, before playing Daisy, when I would watch these movies, I would never understand why some survivors would go rogue in movies. Like, well, why wouldn't they just all work together? It seems so counterintuitive. But after playing a healthy amount of Daisy, I realized survivors are just problems. Like, it's just weird.

Now when I encounter anyone in the world, it's just weird, don't wanna encounter anyone in the world, it's like, how am I gonna get out of this problem? That this person's gonna invariably kill me, I need to take care of this right away. Are you seeing the exact same point? I do think there is something that's sort of missing from Daisy and that's what happens after you survive.

So you've survived those few days, but then there's not really a lot to do and I think the only real challenging thing, as you say, is to kill other players because there's a huge three. No matter how much time we spin on AI routines and making the zombies more challenging, I don't think they're ever going to really compete with other players. Who, you know, like you say, they develop their own decisions, those deceits, they learn, they don't learn, they do stupid things. So I think humans are always going to have that unpredictable nature in Daisy.

But we need to provide this something else. And I think once the something else is there, I think that will a guy be sort of a watershed change for Daisy to give it more of a future rather than just being this traumatic sort of modeling the first few days of survival. I think what you all do on the Daisy website right now is fantastic where you post the average lifetime of a survivor. And the last time I looked I believe it was sitting at about 38 minutes, which is pretty healthy if you the first few times you play. Oh my god. I think the first time I played on a thing I made it five minutes.

So you're talking about you know trying to have something else beyond the zombies and beyond the survivors. Are you picturing you know down the road as you put more work into it like a proper? I don't want to say an end game, but maybe a story you're thinking about implementing into the game? Well, I think there's no problem with calling it end game. I've used that to in myself while it's not strictly true. People understand what it means. So there really needs to be there. What are you going to do now that you've survived? So that first aspect of DayZ landing on the beach, you know, that's all about those initial crucial decisions you make. And then it sort of evolves through.

That's the idea of the gameplay. So it'll evolve through to what do you want to do next in your game world? So we need to provide the ability for players to do a bunch of different things to support the different game styles. And one of those is going to obviously be developing a group, developing with their group once a lot of. And one thing that I've talked about quite a bit is moving into underground structures, which I think, like even online, has its capital ships. I think underground structures could be the capital

ships of the Daisy universe. And that would allow more in-game stuff, and it would give people a reason to correct together because if they want to develop this properly, then they're probably going to need to team up. So basically like a super fortified player housing or in defensible positions. Yeah, they're exactly right and I think we can really push that in all sorts of directions. We really want to stay away from a story as such. I think having a narrative, so a background to the world, I think that's really important.

And I think that can be expanded a lot. So allow the players not only to explore the terrain, but also to explore what happened, but I think what happens after the game starts, that should be player control. So we'll provide the ability for the players to interact with their world and find out about it. But I think it really needs to be completely left up to the players to interact with their world and find out about it, but I think it really needs to be completely left up to the players to alter the world going forward.

Now I think that's where the real fun will come. It's, you know, you start to see it, you see people doing all these really exciting cool things that, you know, I guess people turn a emergent gameplay, but I'm not even really entirely sure that sort of fits with it, but, and I think that we just need to provide more tools for people to do that. Yeah, you know, another thing too is that just the nature of the game, you know, if you just take a zombie apocalypse, the way it would start is, you know, it would be a series of events and then, but one day I would, did you read the book World War Z at all? Yeah, I have.

Yeah. but one day I would re-givery the book World War Z at all. Yeah, I have. Like there's that point, there's that point which, you know, I buy into which there's almost like a critical mass that happens where you hear about incidents, but then all of a sudden it just takes over. And you realize like this is, this is the way things are. So in days even mod, it's kind of like that where you drop it on the beach. And you're in this world and it's just go. There's really no tutorials. It's like you do have to figure everything out. You have to figure out that zombies can fear you from a distance. You have to figure out how to manage your inventory. You have to do all that. But I'm assuming as part of the development of a mod, are you going to

build in tutorials for people to use? I think that you've had the nail on what I see is a very important part of it. And that's, I like to think of it as trying to make it as intuitive as possible. Now, there's a lot of it that's not intuitive at the moment. But having things like the hunger and the thirst, there's a lot of complex mechanics that go into the way it works. But I think it's really important that we don't say this is how it works or with audibility like if you get within 50 meters

then someone will hear you. And that's adding a lot of subtleties to things so that the player has to rely on their own knowledge inside their head. So that's when you start thinking, okay, well how, in fact it's even subconscious, you know how how would zombies react and obviously they don't necessarily react as good as we want right at the moment but there's a large part of that I think and how a player approaches it

and because the tutorial I guess is almost going on inside the player's head so they're querying themselves I think it really personalises the experience. So we want to expand on that more, make as little use of UI as possible, and make a lot more use of sight and sound and game, so that it becomes a more personal experience. And if we've designed something that's not working, then we need to go back and just keep working on that until it's intuitive. That's an interesting thing what you said about, you know, not telling someone explicitly that they can be heard 50 meters away, because it's almost like learning in real life, you know, when you're a child, you're like, you're making noise, you don't know what range it is, someone can hear you anymore.

Right. Which brings up another interesting thing that I love about Daisy is the fact that there's no longer any global chat which really adds to I feel like the immersion aspect and again it goes back to what I talked about like you spawn with no gun you can't communicate with people that aren't immediately next to you so it really you know when you start you really have that sense of isolation and you know the unknown so I don't know I guess I guess I could sit on the fence about your tutorial ideas to whether or not that's something that would be helpful.

No, I was just kind of curious, because it goes back to the philosophy of, the overall experience, but then the playability as well. It's like you don't wanna alienate players who jump in, you want to have that first like a couple moments of fun early on, so it kind of hooks them in. But I get to, it's like this experiences what it is.

And this is the kind of game where it's, you know, it comes in, it's essentially a super advanced simulator. And it's got permanent death, essentially. I mean, you lose your stuff. Your stuff is your character in a lot of ways, because you don't level up your character or anything like that. And so it's like, you're asking for a big commitment to the player from the get-go and when they get in they should realize that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm currently in a state with my

character where I'm scared to log in because I accumulated so much good stuff. Anytime I think about logging in, I'm like, okay, is it daylight? Yeah. Is it probably going to be, is there going to be anyone friendly in there? Yeah, I don't know. So I'm really on the fence right now. I'm really in a weird position with a game which I've never experienced before. Yeah, it's like, it's one of the things, like, one of the best examples I can use is I went out and got a thought. I couldn't manage the inventory system when I first started. And that's basically from the ARMA engine that it inherits this inventory system from

there. But I went online and got the team apps of like what are the controls do? And I remember there's a map button and I hit the map button and it's just black. There's nothing. There's no explanation of you don't have a map. Yeah, it's just it's black. It's you know, you got nothing. That's one of the things I have right now that's keeping me from logging in as I have a map. I'm so scared to lose the thing. You have a map of the GPS, just a map. I have a map. No, I do not have a GPS. I have a watch, though, which is awesome. Yeah. I mean, it's one of these little little moments in the game that I've had. You constantly have these little moments of discovery. And then you also have things like you're like running between towns and then somebody blows by you in a car or in a bike or something like that. And you're

like, what just happened? It's like, you realize somebody else is playing a totally different game anymore. It's like, I'm just trying to get this house, you know, and figure out which house I can get into while avoiding the zombies and somebody else is like living a good life. It's like eating caviar. So, um, what, you know, what did you guys do to get the word out about day Z? I'm curious to know what the origin of what we know what patient zero for the mod was because it seems like it's so huge now. You all have have I think 500,000 people playing at the moment. Well, they're up to 500,000 sales of armature. Oh, is that a good thing? Like if you read the reports, they're saying, you know, obviously, the popularity of days he is growing is now driving sales of armature. But yeah, rocket, I'd be curious to hear about, you know, the path of, you know, the growth of this thing as well.

Yeah, I just looked up, um, now because I have access to the live stats. So at last, we refreshed 20 minutes ago, and we got 657,000 players, unique players at the moment. Wow, congratulations. That's awesome. Yeah, it's great. Yeah, it's pretty cool. I guess the way it started was initially there was just one server,

and that was the development server run out of New Zealand, curious enough when I rent there. And we had the mod up on that and basically I'd sit down with Matt and the guys and I'd do the development then I'd get them in to join and I'd say what do you think of this? And it would actually be kind of live development. So literally we'd try something out and then I would ask their opinions and we'd talk about it, we'd maybe even argue about it and then I would re-upload them odd and we'd just start the machine again. So that would sort of go on quite for five or so hours or nine and then we'd go away

and develop a bit more and we'd start again the next day. And what happened was we saw a lot of people who were trying to join the server, particularly if we accidentally forgot to put a password on it. So I thought, we needed some more testers for capacity testing. So I added the download links, it was on media fire at the time. I added the download links to the server. No. And suddenly people started joining. And it was just a few for a start, but then they would join and then they would tell their friends about it. So they would

go on Face Punch, NeoGaer, 4chan was quite big as well and read it too very early on. And people started talking about it and they posted their stories. And that's really just exploded from there. So it was never actually really announced. Belatedly a few weeks afterwards I made a forum post in the Bohemia forums. But yeah, it was basically just through adding the download links to the server name, one server name. And then it just sort of grew crazy from there. So what you would see was a viral zombie outbreak? You did. Tell you don't have to listen to him.

What is that? What is that time frame? So what would you say was the moment when first people first started joining spontaneously to then like it just to where we aren't today? How long ago was that? It was April 13th, I think. Yeah, so three months. So it was April 13th. I remember this because

it was Friday the 14th a few days ago and sorry Friday the 13th a few days ago. And it was April the 13th, which was also Friday the 13th was the was the day we just started publicly opening the server. Wow. That's crazy. I think our farads come. And so the version now is 1.75 I think. Yeah. So there's been a lot of iterations between now and then. Yeah. There has been a lot of fun. And I mean, I guess quite early on,

that was a big part of the development was very rapid iteration. It became quite untenable very quickly because it got very frustrating for users when we were iterating sometimes several times a day. And yeah, like Matt just fleshed his fingers up to me before. It was one time we did 10 iterations in a day, but that was wonderful. But so that was kind of stressful and I guess that was the one, I wouldn't necessarily say negative, but one of the aspects of the explosion in popularity was we had to slow the development

down quite significantly. You know, here at Rooster Teed, we rent four servers that we run to play daisy on and there are people, you know, they're constantly full. Any time, you know anytime we have to roll the patch out or an update. We definitely hear from them like, oh god, you're taking the servers down. It's like, no, no, it's gonna be good,

you're gonna enjoy this. Yeah, during the updates is difficult because they usually do cause a lot of problems. And it's easy and hindsight to see what those problems are. But one of the main issues we have is that a lot of these issues don't appear until you have a full server and that server o hionside i o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o But a lot of the issues that we end up experiencing are once the happen under significant load. So that can be quite difficult to test for and I guess that's when people start posting this as an alpha on the forums and that which I'm sure some people get tired of hearing but yeah.

So I mean did you use word alpha because it's a mod. So is there a plan for release I don't know if you can talk about that now. Is there a plan that you can potentially busted out as a dumb title or anything like that? o tehau o tehau o tehau o tehau o tehau o tehau o tehau o tehau o tehau o tehau o tehau o tehau o tehau o tehau o tehau o tehau o tehau o tehau o tehau o tehau o tehau o tehau o tehau o tehau o tehau o tehau o tehau o tehau o tehau o tehau o tehau o tehau o tehau o tehau o tehau o tehau o tehau o tehau o tehau o tehau o tehau o tehau o tehau o tehau o tehau o tehau o tehau o tehau o tehau o tehau o tehau o tehau o tehau o tehau o tehau o tehau o tehau o tehau o tehau o tehau o tehau o tehau o tehau o tehau o tehau o tehau o tehau o tehau o tehau o tehau o tehau o tehau o tehau o tehau o tehau o tehau o tehau o tehau o tehau o tehau o tehau o tehau o tehau o tehau o tehau o tehau o tehau o tehau o tehau o tehau o tehau o tehau o tehau o tehau o tehau o tehau o tehau o tehau o tehau o tehau o tehau o tehau o tehau o tehau o tehau o tehau o tehau o tehau o tehau o tehau o tehau a ridiculous heights and that's sent a really strong message not just to be amoea but well to you know any game developer out there that we want to see more of these kinds of games so that's awesome and from my perspective I think it's definitely going to give the opportunity for Daisy to become a standalone game. There's no announcement, there's no I guess you know project and sign off that's happened. So once that is, then, you know, obviously, we'll let everyone know. But I think that it's a certainty that that will happen at some stage very soon.

Well, it's great. I mean, I really hope that happens because, I mean, if you look at just another really popular infected or zombie, or franchise, it's left for dead. And it started as, I believe it counter-strike mod internally. Right. Well, there was never Turtle Rock. Right. And it was a game they played internally and they just really enjoyed it and then that

evolved into left for dead. Which is one of my favorite franchises of all time. And yeah, you're exactly right. I mean, I love the leaf for dead. I played a lot when I was in Singapore for a year. And yeah, I just played it all the time. Rockets pretty well traveled. Yeah, I feel intimidated. Listen to the reporters and broad. But yeah, it's, I mean, we've all due respect.

I mean, it's like, obviously, Daisy gets a lot of things from being based on the Army II engine. But one of the comments we had made early on is that, you know, Gus and I both went out and bought Army 2, and we bought the DLC that's necessary to run DAZ. What is the DLC packed? We had my broken operation error. Operation error.

Operation error. Thank you. And we both bought that, and I don't think I've played yet a match of Army 2. I was thinking about that when I was driving in today when we were getting ready to do this podcast, as I thought, you know, last night I was looking for a game to play because I couldn't play Daisy because it was night. And I thought, I've never fired up our mature yet. Yeah, it's interesting. So I have to get in and play some arm too. Now I play Operation Flashpoint and I had played that in the sleep. But I hadn't played arm too. So I mean, we're two people

who definitely went out and bought arm to base based on the fact that there's Daisy Miley existed. Look, I mean, I think Armour 2 is obviously a fantastic game. I've devoted a significant portion of my life to developing mods for Flashpoint. It's not for everybody and it needs to be approached in a certain way. I think it really comes into its own when it's played in a group, a serious group environment. I'm not sure if you're familiar with the group Shaqtet, which they're actually quite supportive early on in Daisy's life with CHKRWY's videos that he posted, which have become almost like a, I think they're up to some ridiculous YouTube account early on. So a lot of people have found out about Daisy by that. And so o lath o lath o lath o lath o lath o lath o lath o lath o lath o lath o lath o lath o lath o lath o lath o lath o lath o lath o lath o lath o lath o lath o lath o lath o lath o lath o lath o lath o lath o lath o lath o lath o lath o lath o lath o lath o lath o lath o lath o lath o lath o lath o lath o lath o lath o lath o lath o lath o lath o lath o lath o lath o lath o lath o lath o lath o lath o lath o lath o lath o lath o lath o lath o lath o lath o lath o lath o lath o lath o lath o lath o lath o lath o lath o lath o lath o lath o lath o lath o lath o lath o lath o lath o lath o lath o lath o lath o lath o lath o lath o lath o lath o lath o lath o lath o lath o lath o lath o lath o lath o lath o lath o lath o lath o lath o lath o lath o lath o lath o lath o lath o lath o lath o lath o lath o lath o lath o lath o lath o lath o lath o lath o lath o lath o lath o lath o lath o lath o lath o lath o lath o lath o lath o lath o lath o lath o lath o lath o lath o lath o lath o lath o lath o lath o lath o lath o lath o lath and maybe armour too and other mods out there is that it, I think it provides a very good robust mechanism for random people to play against each other, not necessarily co-operatively, and not also necessarily in a PvP way.

So, through that unstructured nature, I think it just manages to bring people together and it sort of created the perfect storm with regard to alma features. Well, I mean, I can tell you that we're super excited about it, super excited about the future of the modern. The idea that it can become a standalone game is, is great. Yeah, I'd love to have, you know, you know, within the future, I'd love to have a standalone installer and, you know, like you said, some end game and like all of these features, I can't wait.

It's super exciting to think about all of these things getting patched in. You know, Mon and on do itself can be a barrier for people new players to get in. It's interesting to say that because I was thinking I've been thinking about Daisy, you know, the fact that it's a mod and the fact that the game can be so unforgiving to new players. It seems like it's really a gamers game. Like it's not the kind of game that would maybe necessarily have mass appeal. It's you know definitely people who are really well versed in games. The people who are looking for that new experience, what other FPS do you spawn and you don't have a gun? It's really interesting.

Yeah, I don't know. Look, I think that, like I said a lot like I said before, like it's an absolute certainty that it will make it into a standalone incitation. And I mean, even if we did nothing with DAZ, I'm 100% positive as well, but another studio would eventually pick up the concy. But I think actually very rapidly, DAZ is a mod could be taken on the arm, engine, and built into something standalone. There's no reason why that couldn't happen. But I think it's also very important that Daisy continues as this experiment to the point it needs to, so that we get a really good game design out of it. Because if we finish it up quite early and said, okay, we're finished with the mod, we'd

mess out on that experimentation timing, we can figure out, well, what works, what doesn't work, particularly around the player interactions, which are things that you can't just sit down and do a design analysis on. You really need to throw a few million people at it and say, well, what sticks and what doesn't. Yeah. Can I ask you, do you feel a little bit of a race at point now that you've proven the model where we can have an apocalypse simulator?

Do you feel a race against other people you maybe inspiring at this point? I don't think so so much. I think that the advantage of the position that does is that now is that if it goes forward in the direction kind of that it is and it's been heating it now, I think that it will be a very rapid thing. There's no reason why we couldn't see something significant by the end of the year. I think, because I upset down and done this analysis myself, I think if if you were going to go and take a say start again from scratch, you're talking at least two years to do something serious and so that's a big time and I think it's also good for if we could maybe even carve off a little niche or maybe not so niche genre for survival games and so you know I think a little bit of competition there can only be a good thing. Right, that's a good point.

And there's lots of variations to like, epic just announced Fortnite, which seems like kind of a cuter, I don't even use it word. It's like, it's kind of like more, lean towards my, more like Minecraft, than like more towards the armor to like, hyper realism, you know, things. Yeah, I think that personally, I think that casual gaming, and I don't mean that in a bad way, I mean like iPhone apps and little games and even Minecraft to an extent has had a really good focus, has had a really good run over the last few years. And I think serious gaming, like sort of armour, I think it's due for a

little bit of attention. There's like a game is games, you know. I think there's a little bit of a gap there and I think that if Daisy proves anything it's there. It's not necessarily about the zombies. There are easy mechanism for people to understand and people can relate to it and it's it's topical and it's interesting and it reflects common fears so I think that that works with it but I don't think it's necessarily just dollars on visa popular so daisy is popular I think it's it's about survival and it's about people being able to be part of not just the development but the design and I think that's going to be the key defining aspect of Daisy going forward is that

the world is left to the players to develop what we've got to do in terms of the development team is actually provide the tools and the mechanisms for players to be able to do that. And I think that's where we'll really stand out against other people trying to do that. Yeah, I think that all sounds awesome. Well, I want to thank you guys for taking the time to talk to us. I know, you know, you all are all over the world, so I don't want to keep you all too much longer. But yeah, if for people who haven't tried it, you can definitely check it out. Go to daizymod.com. And if you can purchase the game, you can purchase Armatou and the mod you need, they're on steam. And download the mod, try it out. So thanks guys, we really appreciate you joining us.

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