Rooster Teeth Podcast - RT Podcast #262

Episode Date: March 14, 2014

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It's time to put your pedal to the metal. From the twisted minds behind Deadpool and Zombieland, an executive producers will learn that an Anthony Mackie comes a new Peacock original series, Twisted Metal, a high-octane action comedy based on the classic video game series. Anthony Mackie stars as John Doe, a motormouth outsider who must deliver a mysterious package across a post-apocalyptic wasteland. If he can survive the drive, also starring Stephanie Beatriz, Samoa Joe, Nev Campbell, Will Arnett, and Thomas Hayden Church. Twisted metal, streaming now, only on peacock Joe Rogan represented the honest staff here on a team. Hey everyone, thanks for having us out man. This place is awesome. I was telling Bernie before we got started. This is my first time ever in a gym.

So like I've seen pictures of gyms on the internet. Was it as painful as you expected? No, this place is awesome. You know what, one of the saddest stereotypes of all time is that next few people got labeled as lazy. They are the hardest working most polite people in the entire world. They do jobs that I would fucking fall over dead if I had time to do. The one exception is him. He's the elasiest fucking person on the planet.

You live in your time. It's not laziness, it's efficiency. No, you are the speedy ganzollas of the internet, essentially. That's where you live you occupy that space We were talking about this chick. She was up on this Who over here's what she's like an aerial dance Lira. Yeah, what's that called? Lira. It's out. It's called. Yeah, I call it hot as hell Anyway, I would love to see you after this climb that rope and get on that fucking hoop. I would love to see it

We got a who in the back. You got to do it now. Woo! I'm going with efficiency over lazy business life. That's right. You're here. You did something, right? Yeah.

So I got out of bed. You did? I put this coat on and I'm sitting here. And you got to the position somehow in life where you're at a microphone talking and a lot of people are listening So I would go with efficiency. Don't let a fuck with you, man. Yeah, Joe. You're just enabling him. That's all you do I'm all about enabling people You're the naveler. It's scary. I think about that a lot It's like what trajectory did my life go on that I'm the asshole sitting under the lights with a microphone and people

Come and like download our podcast and listen to it It's like what a weird strange journey it is to get to that point It's even stranger that we're in a room full of people that can't even understand a fucking word we're saying We did a live broadcast and nobody can understand what we're saying because it echoes That's even stranger. You think that's important? You think we should have chosen a venue other than a hard walled gym? Who in high-sealings? Yeah, I would say probably that's not a good move.

But we're here, and it's kind of like light. You just show up? Sometimes. You just gotta fucking play in the arena you go in. But we have to make an agreement amongst each other. If any one of us says something, we don't know what the fuck we said, if I don't know what you said, and I just look at you and go like that, don't press me on it. Okay. Just like, if you give me the wink, if you give me the sound. I don't know what the fuck you just said. I have literally no idea

what you just said. Just look for the wink. I think it's what I got it up. All right guys, so I had a hoose topic and I know we're gonna go all over the place. But I was able to go to the Oculus Rift, Game of Thrones exhibit here in South by Southwest. An amazing experience, complete immersion in a 3D world. They had fans blowing, you step to the edge of the wall, your dodging arrows, you look down, your stomach drops because your mind thinks that it's real. For those of you who don't know what Oculus Rift is, it's a full virtual reality headpiece that you wear.

You can look in any direction and they partner with Game of Thrones for this experience. You look over the wall and it's like that feeling you get at the top of a building. And then arrows come flying by and one hits you in the chest and you fall off the wall to your death like a bad dream. And I got out of there and I said, when are they gonna make porn like this? Ha ha ha. And it's a, so you were impressed.

You liked it, you had a good time with it? I was impressed, but it made me think, what is the future? Where is this all going? And is that a good thing? Is it gonna go too far? I've tried Oculus, my friend Duncan has an earlier version, one of the first models.

It's pretty amazing. Even though it's really pixelated, it's still incredible. It's just looking around and seeing this artificial world. It gives you a really intense feeling of what's coming next. You know, the thing, I think it's crazy what they're doing now. My thoughts on the Oculus Rift is I feel like it's an iteration in technology. You know, we saw this shit back in the 80s and the 90s. People have the same goofy headsets on. They've been trying to make it work forever.

Yeah, I feel like now it's just the same thing with an HD display. But maybe that's what it takes to make it work. Yeah, it was just missing a bunch of technology The idea was always there, but the technology itself just hadn't caught up yet But now it seems like it's pretty close. It's an amazing stuff Well cost is always a factor in those things too and that Oculus Rift if you go out and buy a dev kit They're only like 300 bucks for one of those dev kits for the whole headset and everything So anybody can go order it, start it off on Kickstarter, then it was successful, then once they fulfilled all the backers, yeah, now it's only 300 bucks and you can actually now, you can buy a treadmill.

That's like a, it's like a, it's like a, it looks like Omni Direction, it looks like like a contact lens, like a concave surface and you stand in the middle of it and you walk and all that. But at some point, when you just go out and you stand in the middle of it. And you walk and all that. But at some point, when you just go out in light instead of playing Call of Duty, just go out and play Paintball or Airsoft or something like that. I don't know, because I think it's so exciting

what visual worlds they're capable of creating. And I also think that people are gonna get exercise. Like you remember when Dance Dance Revolution came out all these people lost all this weight because they really loved playing that game and they were just moving around, and it was really kind of cool. I think a lot of that's going to happen with Oculus Rift. I think people are going to do 3D shooters, and they're going to be running around, and they're going to get in shape because they're going to want to play all day.

Yeah, I think that's one of my utopian visions for what this could do is imagine someone who's physically a little bit disabled, and they can't quite get out there in the world and do the things that they see other people doing with an Oculus Rift and with some of these equipment you can get the same feeling at least very close with your eyes and how it moves and everything of running of jumping off something I mean I can only imagine a squirrel suit ride in an Oculus Rift it would feel incredible to do that and I think to me that's one of the utopian kind of visions something. I mean I can only imagine a squirrel suit ride in the Oculus Rift. It would feel incredible to do that. And I think to me that's one of the utopian kind of visions. That and a remake of

Leisure Suit Larry when you get the full virtual reality experience. Well you remember in your office today we were talking about soaring over California. Yeah the the game at Disneyland. Have you ever ridden that ride? The soaring over California? Oh, no, Disneyland. It's incredible. It's a ride where you sit in this chair and you're suspended. And the screen is massive. It's above you and below you.

It curves, and it takes you on this flight over all these various areas of California. And when you go over the orange trees, it throws a mist in the air that has an orange scent to it. When you smell the pine trees, you smell the ocean. It's really wild, but it almost feels like you're flying. You know you're not really flying, but we're close to you really feeling like you're flying.

And one day, it's going to be indistinguishable. And that's the basis for simulation theory. And that's what I think is missing. That's the key component missing like the Oculus is that physical interaction. It's like you can fool your eyes all you want, but until you're wearing like a full suit that like gives you those sensations, it's still in the complete experience. Yeah, but you're gonna be able to fool your skin. You're gonna be able to fool gravity. You're gonna be able to fool everything eventually just a matter

of when they figure it out. We know it's kind of scary to me about that is, what happens ultimately when people come, become, have access to all these experiences, and they quickly become desensitized to them. And it's like, jump, jump, jump. We gotta go for the next level. Like, we all remember the first time

we watched a rollercoaster movie, and we had that feeling in the pit of our stomach. I can watch a roller coaster movie today. I don't have that. Right. So, and it's like, after a while, you acclimate to that. And if you had these experiences basically on demand, you know, that you can pull up at the

push of a button, what happens then? Then where do we go from there? That's a good point because you see that in porn, you see that in violent movies, you see that in pretty much everything. People are never satisfied with a static state. They always want everything to ramp up. I mean, violent movies. I mean, this is like the walking dead.

The walking dead is way more violent than any zombie movie from the 80s or the 90s. Yeah. And it's like, it's crazy. When you go back like the 50s and 60s, the horror back then was really like that stuff Like the stuff they would they would tackle and now then they went to the 80s It was just goring all that. It's just nuts. Which brings me to the dystopian vision for me

And the dystopian vision is let's say the Oculus Rift is no longer in 1064 graphics Let's say it's actual video quality graphics where you can see the anguish on someone's face if you heard them. And then you have a gun, you have a shooting system, you have sensors, you have everything, and you're on one of those treadmills that you're running, and you are literally going to war and lighting people up, and it's a full immersive experience. Is that healthy for a human being to go that far? I think the real question is, are we going to remain human beings? Because I think the answer is no. I think we're going to be some sort of a symbion. We're going to connect to computers in a way where we're not individuals anymore.

We're going to be a part of something electronic. And when that happens, yeah, that kind of shit's not good. It's not good for this animal, but for the thing that comes next after us, you know, maybe it'll work. And that might be what's going on with people right now with this incredible escalating technology. Yeah, you know, it's crazy to say that because then it becomes like this collective that we're all moving towards. And I was trying to explain to my conservative friends, a lot of conservative people in Texas as you can imagine, when Obama was being elected

and they were worried about, you know, they was doomsday like, oh, we're headed towards a socialist, you know, communist republic. And I had to explain to them, I said, you should not worry about what politics is gonna do with our society and changing things. The internet's gonna make us way more socialist than anything else. Because the internet's gonna make us way more socialist than anything else,

because the internet, everyone expects everything, whenever they want it, and for free, and then you have that whole, who contributes who doesn't, and there's no checks and balances for that. So I think that kind of system on a socio-economic scale can happen, and then if we talk about a biological scale, shit. How much of your brain do you already outsource? Yeah. I outsource my memory to this. I, you know, every trivia fact I ever want to know, I just walk around with the collective human intelligence in my pocket now.

Yeah, amazing. And I'll go one better. I think there's another thing that we have to be concerned with when it comes to money. That money at this point in time, it's just information. It's just ones and zeros. It's numbers on a computer database somewhere. There's no resource-based currency. So if it's not based in actual,

you can't trade it for a mineral. Well, what the fuck is it? And when we're moving towards this direction, where everyone has access to all information, which seems to be what's going on, including privacy going away. Well, privacy is going to go away, and you know what's after privacy? Money.

Because how are you going to hold on to all that shit if the next level of technology in order to reach it? You have to have no boundaries between any person and any information, period. When we abandon that, we're essentially abandoning the concept of money. I mean, I don't know if money can survive the technological revolution. That's like a Star Trek, right? There's no money in Star Trek.

It's like, you reach this point where people just do what makes them happy, and it progresses everyone as a whole. You don't worry about the day-to-day bullshit stuff. Well, we're pretty locked into the idea of money being a permanent part of our culture, but, you know, why is that? I mean, it wasn't always, which human beings, and human beings couldn't always have access to the entire world's information database on their phone like that. Things change, and, you know, the last thing any rich person wants to hear is that,

the last thing any person who's really financially or materially oriented wants to hear that, but it seems to be where it's going to me. Well, you're looking like what's the precursor for money going away? It's like the value of these changes. Facebook just bought a messaging company called WhatsApp, bought them for $18 billion. United Airlines sold for $4.5 dollars. That's hilarious. Yeah, I mean this airline that has plays and people and Infrastructure in all app sold for 18 billion that makes me want to invent some stupid shit Trying to sell it to Facebook. I want to invent something just to sell it to Facebook

You my Google Google you're talking about information Google bought a thermostat company called Nest, bought it for $3.2 billion. And it's basically, what does Google do in there? They're just saying, this is a piece of information that we didn't think to get. We never thought to figure out how to calculate how people are using energy in their homes. But if you're delivering information and you're a multi-multi-hundred-billion dollar company, what's the most important thing you need to deliver that information? You need to know how people are using energy as an important part. So, 3.2 billion dollars, Pam, who goes lay it out there.

Wow. That's a perfect example of money's value just changing and distorting a weird sort of indecisurable way. But do you think like there's everyone who says that, then it will say like well investing gold or whatever. You want to see who believes in gold is a thing you should invest in? No, I think it's an archaic notion. I think we have to really figure out like what things are worth and how do you pay for them and how to how do you go about me Look, it's a side folded right now an asteroid hit 90% of the population was wiped out with the 10% left

Stick with dollar mills. What would they do or gold? Can't eat go Yeah, I can't eat go but I always say you can't eat it and you can fuck it. So in a post-apocalyptic world, I don't care about it at all. But you don't know that Arby used to work for the fleshlight. You can't fuck. You just have to figure out a way to put some rubber pussy inside the gold. That's what I say, the remake of Leisure Suit Larry. It's going to be full interactive experience. But could you imagine that kind of full interactive dating experience where you're in a bar You have some kind of sex simulator you go you talk to people you meet people summer bots summer real people

And then instead of just having sex by typing in kiss her on the neck or whatever you used to do and leave it to Larry It actually happens based on what you do. I mean that kind of sexual encounter is inevitable. It's inevitable and it'll probably be the first application of like a real true immersive art show reality. I've seen tech demos of this already where people wear the Oculus Rift and it shows them they're having sex with some like anime girl and they set up like a tinga egg or some like masturbatory device in front of them and it has four speedback in it as, which is like related to the simulation. Yeah, I've seen that. It's one step on the way to this inevitable blurry,

indistinguishable line between technology and reality. I think reality will become technology and that's part of the whole idea behind simulation theories. At one day, there'll be a simulation that's so good, it'll be indistinguishable from reality. The out that's the case, isn't already here. And when you talk to the really crazy quantum physicists guys that ponder these sort of questions,

they argue it in a way that's fairly convincing, that it is possible that it's going on right now. I'm sure you've seen all those articles online. There's a lot of people that feel like, like what you're talking about, the advancement of technology is such that eventually we'll get to the point where collective conscious merges, and I mean very soon in our lifetime perhaps, we'll be able to transfer our thoughts, our memories, get a copy and be simulated. Once computing power gets high enough to match what a human brain does, you can just copy

over your brain over to a machine. Whether or not that's you, that's a huge philosophical conundrum. But, there's a lot of people who feel like that then leads to iterations where what is the first thing you simulate, a world where those things go to just so where are we in the process? Is this the third, the fifth, the infinite to the end? Time that this has gone on, and we're already in in a simulation.

I hear all that all the time. And it's one of those things that we hear and boggles my mind. Well, if death is, you pop your goggles off, and you go, fuck, I thought it was real. You know what I mean? That could be one day what we experience maybe right now. I read a really great article, Wired, about a guy who thinks that the technology singularity

is going to happen. We're basically humans' defeats, physical death. And he's afraid he's going to die before that happens. And it's all about this guy's quest, just to stretch his life out as far as you can. Ray Kurzweil. Yeah, to give you that point in history. I interviewed him on my sci-fi show for like an hour, fascinating, brilliant, brilliant guy.

The thing about that guy is that he's predicted so many things correctly. I mean, he's not just a dreamer like me. He's the guy that's invented, I mean, a bunch of different things. I mean, it speaks to text. He's involved in the creation of so many groundbreaking pieces of technology and predicted them.

He predicted internet search engines way before they were ever invented. So I think that, you know, you got to put a lot more credence in what that guy says. And it's interesting seeing him, I've taken all these vitamins and trying to hang in there to see the Big Bang. Yeah, it's like a snooze button, you know, basically,

for life. It's amazing. It's fascinating stuff. To me, the crazy thing about the internet, where we are now is, even as a kid, I would read about this stuff before it came real. And it's like, this stuff was all going to come. And like, books like Hero Mancer and people

pretty good in 2001 space Odyssey. It's like, it seemed like an inevitability. We're going to invent these things. And it's just maybe the orders a little off. And maybe like flying cars aren't here quite yet. But like, the worldwide network of computers and everything, it's like, and so the exponential increase in how quickly these things are happening,

you would like, I think, a game called Mass Effect. And you don't have a lot of time, it's a big game. But essentially, the whole story widows down to that inevitably with the progression of technology. Eventually, that has to destroy biology. Eventually, it has to. It's an inevitability. It's like a Superman problem where Superman tries to thwart villains from destroying the world.

Superman's got to have a perfect record. He's got to have a thousand bad average. Because if he fucks up once the world gets destroyed, the villains only have to win one time and that's it. And when you think about things like nuclear power where we had the Manhattan Project 50 years ago, nobody, it went from theoretical to practical just by sheer force of human will. Now, we're worried about a suitcase nuke showing up in New York City. It's like how do we go in 60 years from that point where somebody can do it in their backyard,

a boy scout can like get radioactive material from smoke alarms and make his own vision reactor. And eventually, what happens when that goes to biology where people are weaponizing stuff in their garage? Eventually, a progression of technology has to destroy the human race just by accident. Bernie, people are trying to get drunk here, man. You're trying to impress in the population. What does that have to do with thoughts?

It doesn't have to, though. It's possible that we achieve some age of enlightenment through this collection of consciousness. It is possible. The technology might be actually the grand savior at the same time as being the thing that kills us. The only thing that I think is one of the most fascinating things about those old movies that predicted the future

was how much space travel they thought was going on, but it was basically like fucking drive-by in space. Just people shooting out of each other's cars in space, they can barely have video conferencing. Remember on Star Trek we would come in, we would be fucking blurry, we're gonna fuck you up, fuck you you are then they would take off. I mean, there was no internet, you know, they didn't have it. They didn't predict so much of what we now find to be commonplace. They thought we were just going to be flying through the universe, shooting at other people

that were flying through the universe. They thought it was just going to be un-evolved, more in space. That's the human experience, all right? Let's find you shit and fuck that up. And they were justifying it by finding other beings out there way worse than us than trying to fuck us off. They're like, oh no you don't. I think one of the interesting things you said that is optimistic is perhaps there will be a way. And I think one of the frontiers is going to be in the brand unlocking the brain's full potential. And I think the

ability for people to link and kind of a neural network. If we were able to get to that point to where we're able to communicate with more than just words and text and unlock the powers of the brain to send these waves, something like quantum entanglement will show, where you alter one photon and then across the world and altars another photon. There's systems at play that we may be able to tap into that actually could be a defense to that. We could be able to sense something off in the

neural network and be able to stop it in a not pessimistic George Orwell or Wellian way. We could stop it in a more we're all connected in this unified consciousness way by unlocking the power of the brain. Right, so not like one government that's in power, it stops crime, but actually the collective consciousness of the human race realizing where it has a disease and stepping in and stopping it. Yeah, some people around them would be like, whoa, something's fucked up over here.

Let's check it out, see what's going on. It's certainly very possible. I mean, some weird shit's coming this way. What it's going to be, I think we're all just sitting around here speculating, it's fascinating to do so, but I have a feeling no one's going to see it coming. We'll be like those people you talked about. We'll be the people in Vendy Space Travel Drive Bice.

And we don't see the common shit. It's like, we're looking at what we think, you know, this future's going to be. But the day to day shit, that's really awesome. We have no idea. Yeah, that's the way you're right. I think you're right. Well, your predictions to the future always based on what you know now.

That's why in like the 50s or before that everything was based on what cities were gonna look like, because we were building a construction was a big technology. And then everything after that, like you look at the 80s, all the future technology was like, how will the newspaper be delivered? And it's like, because they couldn't like, think about the internet, they had the frame it in the context of a newspaper, you know? Because that was the big, or, remember, video phones?

Video phones were predicted forever. Now we have, nobody uses these things. Yeah, I don't have face times here. There's only face times here, they're a fucking weirdo. I don't think I've ever completed a FaceTime conversation. Ever, I've never. It's like, just call me. Yeah.

I've done podcasts through Skype. That's it. I've never FaceTime to anybody. It's fucking weird. Why do I want to see you? I, I, that doesn't give me any more information. Like, hearing you tell me or having you text me, that's all I need.

I mean, I guess if you would just start to date someone, you wanted to look at their face and talk to them the same time, might have some fun. Look at their face. Yeah, exactly. Oh, whatever. Oh, whatever. So one technology that is here that I thought was really fascinating is I watched the documentary on these people that were actually

connecting robotic arms to a neural network and it goes both ways too so that they could control an arm to touch something like a racquetball and they could tell that it was soft from the hand actually squeezing it versus touching something that was made of wood so that not only could they control the arm, but they could get feedback from the hand in what it was squeezing back to the brain. And this isn't using their mouth to manipulate anything. This is using their actual brain.

So it's bridging the gap to creating an avatar type of situation. Did you say that already exists? Yeah, it already exists. No, they have kids games where you put on a headset and you just like if you have a calm demeanor it rises the ball and all that. That's cerebral blood flow. So the more you concentrate, the more blood goes to the front of your brain and they can measure that through like infrared sensors.

So that's kind of lower level technology. This is actually operating on an impulse from the brain to move and squeeze. And then from the hand back to the brain to tell it if it was hard or soft. Wow, that's wild. That's fun. I wonder if you'd ever be able to figure out fake tips. I think it'll be baffled.

It's like it's soft. It's real. That's what the scanners are they airport before. We think it'll be baffled. It's like it's soft. It's real. That's what the scanners are the airport before. We're trying to figure all that out. Yeah, X-ray. Feedback from our tits. Robots. What are your bank and feedback?

But I think the big technology that I'm looking forward to, which I think will really connect people, because I would love, and I hope it comes in my lifetime, the ability to record and play back someone's thoughts or dreams. It would be so amazing to see the world from somebody else's perspective. I would just, I mean, that would be such a gateway technology for me. Yeah, imagine tapping into a rock star, doing a performance, you know, a packed house, all that injury, and you get to link into what he sees or

Download his memory of that and maybe the night after who knows holy shit You got it though and it turned out that you could see that they were just falling it in and they were playing Start me up for the fucking three million time and in their head. It was a dog shit experience to you It's like oh my god, it's the Rolling Stones. We've already seen the beginning of that. I don't know if you've ever seen this. There's this cap that researchers tapped into its brain and they could extract video data from its eyes.

I played on a monitor. Yeah, I have seen that. It's amazing. Yeah, we're on the beginning. You know, we're at the beginning stages. It's amazing. Yeah, we're in the beginning. You know, we're at the beginning stages, which is unbelievably incredible stuff. But I think that what you said is probably

one of the first things we're going to get through like a Google Glass type situation where you can record someone's day. You'll be able to record visually first, and then they'll figure out some way to record neural impulses, and then they'll get really weird when someone figures out how to quantify emotions. You emotions, how to turn emotions into ones and zeros. Oh that's love, that's one zero zero zero one one.

Yeah. Well I mean I know I've listened to your podcast a lot. I know you're all about expanding consciousness or studying consciousness. If you had a device where someone could take it to you and they'd say I can induce Extreme schizophrenia and you experience what that's like and record it skits a friend of patient for an hour And you can have it for an hour and then I promise you I can turn it off Would you want to do that? I wouldn't want to be the first guy to do it I wouldn't mind doing it if you do it you came back and you said it was awesome and beneficial and then there was a bunch of studies on it everybody said it was okay I think I would like to be a woman for a day not a day like a day you might get fucked but I think you get away with being a woman for like an hour and no one

fucks you like hours just watch TV as a woman read books as a woman look look at politics as a woman, I would like to feel what it's like to be that. Maybe feel what it's like, sex, maybe, just briefly, we don't want to freak myself out, but I think that it would, that would be something that we could benefit from. Is there any one of the big gaps between men and women is that we can't even imagine what the fuck they're like, and they can't imagine what we're like But we know we want to have sex with them and they know they want to kind of sex with us So we we figure each out enough to be nice to each other and kind of don't do what the other person gets mad at

But if you look at the difference between the way men and women behave with each other and look at how gay guys just Fuck like wild animals. Yeah behavior each other and look at how gay guys just fuck like wild animals. Clearly, there's two different schools of thought that are competing for space here. Right. And I think it would be fascinating for a woman to be a man for a day and a man to be a woman for a day. I think that would be way more appealing to me than being a fucking schizophrenic. I like this idea more.

Yeah. I would just say that kind of thing would drastically change our mental illness. And crime and other stuff like that. Like if you could play back crime scene and you like see what everybody went through in there, we're radically changed the way you feel about it. Oh, but small certainly and I think we're also going to get a better understanding eventually as we understand people more and the way the mind works itself of what causes a person to be a crazy person. Whether or not it is nurture, whether it's nature, whether it's biological factors,

chemical factors, what exposure, who knows, who knows what these factors are. But if we can recognize the core causes of a lot of mental illnesses, because of something like that, where you can get inside someone's head and see the wrong connections they're making. That's fascinating. But if it's like, oh, we realize now Skitzer Frenget is just a chemical imbalance with these proteins. Here, you know, put these receptors on, and now that's gone. You know, you're in your own fire correctly.

Is the problem of, can you fix people, or are they fucked because that's how they are? And how do you go? Would you fix the stuff that, like, say we can turn this on or turn that off how much would you start messing with your own little receptors right right permanently permanent changes to it yeah the thing about the gender thing is what if you do that gender experiment and one of the genders is clearly superior I mean it's not even a contest and it's not your gender. Then what do you do? Well, people change sexes all the time because they identify more with the opposite sex. I think

we're going to eventually, if we don't get into some virtual world first, we're eventually going to have such a control over biology that we're going to be able to change who we are. Of chromosomal age, just yeah. I really believe that. I think you're going to be able to be someone from Avatar if you want to. I think we're going to be able to be someone from Avatar if you want to. I think we're going to have a nation filled with people that don't even look like people. They look like whatever they want to look like. I think we're going to be able to alter our physical shape. I think it's just a matter of time.

I really do. To get to this point that we're all talking about now, we have to pass an important crucible of when they figure out how to create the orgasm button. And that we don't just sit around like a bunch of monkeys pressing our own orgasm button until we just collapse. I wonder if we wouldn't if it was so easy to achieve, you know, maybe we would get bored with it. It would be like getting water out of the sink, you know, it used to be you had to fucking

go hunt for water, you had to find water, there's a stream, and you had to carry it back and coconut. It was tough to get water. Now you see water, you're like, whatever. You're not gonna give a shit, right? Maybe it's gonna be like that with the orgasm, but. Now we buy bottles because we think this up out of the tap, you're shitty. You're just gonna have an app on your phone.

Someone's talking, you think they're boring, you come. Oh, I don't even know. Yeah, for sure. Well, drinking boring, you come. Oh. What do you know? Yeah, I appreciate it. Well, drinking water is, you know, never quite been exactly the same as the orgasm, but I see your void. But that's because you can get water. If you're a bit chosen or a speed. And you said, this is it. I'm going to give you a gallon of water.

I'm going to suck you dick. What do you want? You can get water. I can't get it up right now. I'm dying give you a gallon of water. I'm gonna suck you dick, what do you want? You can't get in the water. I can't get it up right now. I'm dining dehydration. It's literally sitting right here and I've been no one gives it a second thought. It's like, this was the pinnacle of civilization. This took centuries to develop this.

And you're like, oh yeah, whatever. It's not me. Aubrey would probably be like, how about you give me half a gallon of water in a hand job? Can we work somehow? can we go have these? Made this far I'm pretty confident I can get to that oasis over the hill look you're in the desert, too We're in this together. I got fluids you need fluids. Let's work it out So we talked you know quite a bit about Oculus and like virtual reality stuff.

How do you feel about like Google Glass or like augmented reality stuff? Or you're like walking around and your phone, your positivity instead of being in your pocket is right in front of you virtually. I don't, I mean, I don't like Google Glass as it stands. I've tried it and I felt like it was goofy. I don't need to see this in front of me. I don't want to have a floating image. I mean, if I'm looking at navigation,

I want to be able to look at my phone and then put it away. But I think it's inevitable that it moves to something next level. Sort of like we're talking about virtual reality. Wasn't ready for its time. I think that's the same thing with Google Glass. I think what you're getting right now is just one step. Were they going to eventually figure out some sort of a neural implant where you're going to see images in the world? You're going to be able to pull them out, put them away. You're going to be able to see things in front of you. You're

not going to need a glass, you know, a little, little frame glass. That's what I want. I want to walk down the street and see Yelp reviews of restaurants. I'd be like, who has the best brunch right now? Oh, great. I'm going over there, you know? Well, even better, you're going to see Yelp reviews of people. You're going to see people walk down the street. And if they have one star, they're going to be like, Oh, this bag, you just walked inside the street.

Or it's like, would you like to see newt of this person? Yes. Exactly. Oh, okay. Would you like to watch thisutes of this person? Yes. Exactly. Oh, okay. Would you like to watch this person have sex? Yes. Do you want them to touch your orgasm button?

Yes. I think Tinder 3.0. Right there. What the, wouldn't people just end up buying good reviews? I was like, wow, this shakes up with a lot of dudes in India. And they all said she was awesome. What a coincidence. That's a good point.

But if you ever did find out that the Yelp Review is fake, oh my God, it would be such a backlash, such a douchebag backlash, that would be what we'd have to do. We'd have to really self-police fake person Yelp Reviews. That would be tough. I think that takes, I mean, we're just going to lose that kind of gray area for human connection where it's just like everything's going to be like part of an algorithm, you know? Yeah, and it's not going to be that process of just like, oh, you know, I was young and I suffered eight different people in a week just to try things out.

You're not going to do that or you might do it and everybody a mathematical potion to it. Like I said, with three one-starges this week just to fuck around you know like that It also might be just a bridge on the way to the next technology where we're essentially sharing a Consciousness. I mean they're looking at someone's health review might be pointless Just by the time that technology arises. You just read someone's mind and find out whether or do you shaback this? Look right at them and see their database. Don't you think that's like a form of insanity? Seeing other people's consciousness and like absorbing all of that information at once?

I don't know if I could handle that. It's like a data dump directly into your brain. You're like, I know, it's like in the matrix, like I know food. Like so is your phone though. The ability to just pull out of the air Google answers. I mean, it's all insanity compared to a guy who lives in the 16th century who has to put a dress over a table leg so he doesn't get a boner, you know, and you can just watch people throw keys into some chicks wide open asshole.

I mean, people are crazy today. What we have available to us today would look like sorcery, witchcraft, and madness to people that lived just a few hundred years ago. Even twenty years ago, I mean I go back and I watch Robocop and the thing they had to track Robocop in the city, their fake movie version of it looks shittier than what I have in real life now. I mean they couldn't fake it as well as I have it right now. That's crazy.

So here's a question, if you want to like. If you want to look into someone else's consciousness, you would also then have to be, well, to do a lot of eye-opening. What's that? You have to do a lot of eye-opening. Yeah, would you give somebody else the right to do that to you? Would you want to expose everything

you're thinking to everybody else? I think once everybody shit is out there, then it'll be okay. The only problem that we all have with it is because we all have secrets right But when they don't exist anymore This is it is it's anything is privacy you don't understand the human condition in a new way you would it wouldn't be like Oh my god He's checking out that girl of course he is he's a human male and that girl, you know the same way

Oh, wow, he looked at that guy. We would just understand we're all, we're all basically part animal, part consciousness. And we would respect the animal part and respect the consciousness part. So those things wouldn't even make noise. They wouldn't even make blips on a radar anymore. Like he was saying, we would just appreciate people for who they are.

And if something was really abrid from that, maybe we would take notice. Yeah, I think we're not going to be people anymore. Yeah, it's coming. It's coming. It's definitely coming. We're going to be some new thing. Just like we're not apes anymore, once we figure out how to talk.

Once you figure out how to talk, we are apes, but are we? No, we can fucking plot things. We can figure things out. We can talk shit about each other. It's such a different animal than a champ that has a few grunts. It became something different when we have access to all of each other's thoughts and ideas and we can exchange freely information. It's going to be a different thing than a person.

But you know, it's crazy too, is that when you go back to what you're talking about with money and wealth, is that there's a whole majority part of the world that doesn't have access to these things. So if these things start driving evolution, is there going to be people that take evolutionary steps that the other half of the species doesn't, or the other 70% of the species doesn't? They won't have access to it. It's possible? I mean, it's certainly possible, but if you look at even third-world countries, cell phones are extremely prevalent, whereas just, you know, a few decades ago,

you had to be really wealthy to have a cell phone in America. Now, cell phones are everywhere, and they're everywhere in Brazil. Every time I go to other countries, I mean, all over the world, everybody has cell phones. You can see the poorest countries in Africa and oftentimes you see everybody has cell phones. You can see the poorest countries in Africa, and oftentimes you see people with cell phones. So I think that, like everything else, it'll eventually be spreading. I think one of the things that we'll have to be careful of

is with all of this technology, we may forget that we are still part animal, because the animal itself, the hardware, is not gonna evolve that fast. The software and the ability to kind of process things, that'll change at this rapid rate. We're seeing that already. But the hardware, what we're actually made of, is not going to change that quickly. And so we're going to have to be careful not to ignore the basic needs of that animal

and do things like put ourself at peace, quiet the noise, actively work to go in some place like a sensory deprivation tank where we can let all of the chaos go for a little while and give our animals some rest or we're gonna get to such a state that the human organism is gonna have some difficulties. You know, I think about that a lot like we talked about us still being animals when I eat it's like I Developed this body through evolution to hunt and kill and get more food. To this day, I still eat like that, but I don't act like that. It's like I eat all this high protein stuff and then I'm going to play video games for eight hours. Cool. It's like my body has not

caught up to the change that has happened physiologically. Well, hardware will take much slower than software. You know, and I think that's what we have to look forward to, and be cognizant of that. And look where we are, where it's South by Southwest. The biggest part of South by Southwest now is the interactive part, which is basically covers everything on the Internet. You might as well, this is a broad topic now, I don't even know why they can like try to house all the internet in one convention. But it's the biggest one. It's

the most expensive badge. And it's also the most false construction. All those people are online. They don't need to gather in a city to hold a convention. They can hold that entire thing online. You know, it would actually be way more efficient to do that. But there's still that human need to go to a place and be in the same place and be in a room where something happens. Well, I mean, it's a very big time. Like, what we're doing right now, this could be an interactive panel. Like, digital convergence in the physical space. Man, pay us 800 bucks, you know.

Like, this is a prime example of that. There's thousands of people watching right now. man pay us 800 bucks you know like this is a prime example of that there's thousands of people watching right now they don't need to come and be here in person to get the information that's being disseminated right but this is a poorly thought-out idea when they can't even hear us and it interferes with the actual conversation itself because it's like having a conversation at train station so I feel yeah but not really I think the audio is going on better on the stream so I feel ya, but not really. Hopefully I think the audio is going a lot better on the stream, so I think the people

virtually can hear us a lot better. This is way better for the people at home that are enjoying it than the people here, you know. Yeah, well that one chick can flash her tits. I do want to point that out. She would do that no matter what you did. That's just what she does. This is the people that that's just what they do. I guess somebody home't get all tab

and go find the same thing if they wanted to. I think they will never be able to replace the buzz of actual human interaction. No, you know, I mean, there's more things that go on. When you meet someone, there's a surprising amount of attraction that happens on the level of smell. And you're not going to tell me that they're going to sort out the subtle intricacies of pheromones and how they match the DNA and trigger these animal responses and people to cause attraction. You know, that technology is a long ways away to do that. And that's what happens from this human interaction.

Catching the vibes from different people, not only the smells, the feeling, the aura, that sense of inspiration you can catch from someone from seeing them live a rock star exploding on a stage fighter who just does something incredible I mean the buzz that you get from being there in person is way different than even seeing it from the best angle on TV. Yeah I mean that's true but you just told me about a robotic arm that can tell you what stuff is soft and hard.

How long until all of that is translated virtually across the internet? And I'm here like, oh, that person stinks, you know, that smells good. And you can get all of the information through a virtual experience. You know, it's, again, it's just evolution of the technology. Yeah, when you no longer have those biological urges, because you're no longer biological, I saw this video of a guy from Australia that got his arm and his leg bitten off by a shark and he had an artificial arm and an artificial leg. He's carving fiber legs and arms that he could move around and he walked like a normal person. He walked great. He's moved his hand around and I was thinking, well okay,

he's missing an arm and a leg. They still got one arm and one leg. What if he lost his whole body and he had a head and they put it on ice and they said, look, we can build you arm and a leg. They still got one arm and one leg. What if he lost his whole body, he had a head, and they put it on ice, and they said, look, we can build you a robot body, do you want to stay alive? You probably say yes. They would stick his head on a robot body, and then he'd be moving around with this robot body with no need whatsoever for food.

He'd have batteries, no need for physical touch, wouldn't feel it. They could just program a chip, put it in this body if you want to have sex. I mean, if you can do that with arms and legs, you can do that eventually, most likely, with the whole package. But I think that people, you know, at least in my belief system, eventually we'll realize that, you know, this is a good turn in a dream called a, and a good experience that we But we're gonna get another chance maybe in this world maybe in another the desire like Ray Kurzweil's desire to desperately Clean to this like it's a one chance. It's dependent on an atheist paradigm a paradigm that there is no afterlife

There is no other other force you're going to do. There's nothing that happens at death besides decay of the body and Nothing and silence and I think that's not a really accurate, at least in my own belief system, depiction of what happens. So I think more knowledge of that is going to come filter through the consciousness and then people won't, if they do get their head bit off, they'll be able to say, ah, let's take another go, maybe on fucking Pandora, because I know they got, they got bodies incarnating over there I'll dip into one of those bodies and try or maybe I'll take another turn on earth in a hundred years when things aren't so fucked up as they are now You know, so all those kind of curzuelian

Concerns are dependent on a belief that when you die game over I agree with you. It's like, I don't know how to say it without sounding like two spiritual, but it's like, there's a certain energy that gets released. And from our perspective, we just can't see it right now. And then, you know, once you're with a disc, then you understand it. And then it makes a lot more sense. And you realize, oh yeah, that was all just bullshit. That was just temporary.

That doesn't matter at all. Isn't it kind of like the difference that you're reading a book and going to a movie? Not when you can read a book, reading a book was amazing, it was an amazing experience. The imagination was stimulated. Then you go to a movie, you see this insane epic 3D adventure in front of you. And the book, you know, if the movie is well done, becomes really like a second rate experience. What if life as a biological entity becomes a second rate experience. What if life as a biological entity becomes a second rate experience? Because being a robot is way fucking better. You don't have any

depression, there's no loneliness, there's no sadness, there's no rejection, there's no fear, there's no death. All the shit that's been fucking with people from the beginning of time is immediately eradicated and you have this euphoric ecstasy like state all day where you are able to just take in the wonders of the universe. Once people find out that that's better than being a guy that's sitting around just waiting for your body to die, the only way that you can find out that it's better is to do it. Like, if they ever made a teleporter, I would never use it.

Because I would never be convinced that the guy that comes out at point B is the same guy that went into A. No matter what that guy at B tells me, I would never use a teleporter. They made it tomorrow. I would still get my ass on a plane. And it's like, if people transfer their consciousness in the computer and then the computer goes This is way better. I go fuck you. I'm not doing it. I just wouldn't believe it. That's a good point. Especially if you've seen the fly The guy got a little gross or even scarier. Let's say you get in the teleporter right you going from Austin LA You come out in LA, but another you comes down fucking Siberia and you're like all right or even scarier, let's say you get in the teleporter, right? You go in from Austin to LA. You come out in LA, but another you comes out and fucking Siberia,

and you're like, all right, Burdy-2, get the fucking work. It's like, oh shit. Which one are you? Right, it's like, you're fine, but you're also fucked at the same time. I think we talk about technologies in the sense of machines and things like that, but I think there are other technologies that were only scratching the surface and exploring. And we're talking about getting these virtual reality experiences. I took a psychedelic called Iboga, which is a route that comes from a country of Gabon

in Africa. It's a 24 hour experience, you're up all night, and it's incredibly intense. And at one point in that experience, it took me into the life of a bee and I was able at least in my own head obviously I don't really know what a bee was like but I was able to see life as a bee would see with like myopic eyes and how it kind of maneuvered the world and what its motivations were and it was an incredibly rich experience and maybe that was just nonsense in my head and what my imagining was but maybe I actually was tapping into something but we don't

really know because those things are illegal and we can't explore those technologies those are the taboo technologies throw you in jail for playing with those let's just play with machines that blow shit up instead I think there's a whole other world that we could explore and figure out where to go that doesn't involve machines at all that involves plants that evolved the wrong right alongside with us. And like you said, the sad part is we won't know because you can't research it, you can't effectively study it and be like, oh, quite a bit. Maps has released a new psychedelic study on LSD. They're doing MDMA studies on people at PTSD. John Hopkins released a long-term study on people that took still a side in mushrooms.

So I think that's starting to change slowly but surely. When people realize the academics are really intelligent, people realize you're not protecting anyone from anything and anyone that supports this prohibition This is being foolish and we're missing out on research. I'm really pretty fascinating chemicals I how long ago was it that Portugal Got rid of all their drug laws just got took them off the books. They're good. They're done completely decriminalized Seven years ago now they did that no completely decriminalized. But it's seven years ago now, they did that?

No, completely decriminalized, that I said. Yeah. And they've done it for a good close to a decade now that no impact on their society at all. A positive impact. A positive. Less drug addicts, less violent crime, less people that are prisoners.

I mean, what we have right now is we have essentially a prison economy, and the economy wants certain laws to stay in place because of those laws staying in place that can keep feeding these private boxes where they get paid to keep people caged up. They're using people like batteries. They're batteries that generate money. What I read, I read just today in the Washington Post that over 50% of people incarcerated in federal prisons are there in drug offenses.

It's like more than everything else combined is like that one number. It's an incredible time where you say one thing is okay, one thing is bad, and it's completely arbitrary. And I think one of the most encouraging signs of improvement is the eradication of these draconian laws. There's going to be spurts, the GOP just tried to pass a law to make it harder for the legal marijuana states to do business, but they're fighting a losing battle. The cats out of the bag, people are no longer going to tolerate it. You know, and the politicians, we all know they're fickle, but that can be a good thing too, because as soon as enough people say, hey fuckers, I'm not going to vote for you if you do this stupid shit anymore,

then they'll switch. They'll be like, I was always pro marijuana. What do you mean? What do you mean? I mean, just follow the money. I mean, the headlight said, Colorado's reporting record revenue on taxing marijuana since they've legalized it. It's like, we've rejected this amount of of money it's way more than we thought you know that builds lobbying money that builds you know money that's going to go towards politicians who you know changed the way they think. I never thought about it so I was sitting right here you're talking about the positive tax revenue from selling marijuana. What happened to all the people who already in jail for now crimes that are no longer crimes, were they all let loose?

And I don't think they were. I don't think so. I think they have to continue serving their sentence. That's gotta be a bitter pill when you're sitting in prison watching TV and they're reporting all the positive effects of legalization in your asses in prison. For some, that's not illegal anymore. Who's the guy that gets arrested for it a day before it becomes legal and you know, is incarcerated as like 24 hours?

Think of the positive effects on a state's budget if all those prisoners got on a jail. Because what they did is no longer legal. Well, I know Seattle released all the pending cases, people that were arrested from marijuana and hadn't gone to trial yet. They got rid of everything. Seattle did. I don't know what Colorado did. It's it's really insane that it's only two states. That's it's really insane. It's two thousand and fucking fourteen and only two states made

Weep legal. I mean, that's pretty hilarious when you can drink in 50 of them. What don't you think that like this is the floodgates opening? Like other people are gonna see those two states didn't crash and burn. They have a lot of money and now other states states are going to be like, oh yeah, we're going to, like you said, I'm all for that, you know, we're all about that too. That's the importance of states rights. So states can become cool as fuck. And then all the neighbors go, her arms, our state sucks. Everybody's moving next door. And they say, fuck it. Let's blow the wheels off this bitch, make a new vagus with weed. Well, you know, it's like neighborhoods.

You should be able to have a good neighborhood. It's be able to have a good state. It's really the same. And how do you develop a good state? Well, you need an example. You know, you need an example, a Colorado that figures out a good state and then he goes, oh, well, why don't we do that, too? I mean, it's really very similar.

And that's one of the reasons why states rights are so important. That happened with the lottery, essentially, which is gambling. Couple states got the lottery, it worked well. Now, as there is a single state that doesn't have a lottery or a multi-state lottery that they're part of, I mean, I don't know of any of them in the due. I'm pretty sure all of them participate, at least at some level. And that's a far more destructive addiction than marijuana. I agree. Gambling is a fucking it's really destructive addiction but again they spin it. It's all about perception. We're gonna use that

to pay for education. So it's like oh well yeah it's bad but it's doing good. Well before we solve the world here guys we were so close I know it another 15 minutes world would have been solved for sure. We were so close. I know it another 15 minutes world But it's all for sure We're out of time here the first ever party cast some technical glitches. We battle through like warriors. No big deal Yes, we pulled it off sort of yeah Once with the echo once in the bikes. Thank you guys Bernie and Gus as awesome as I can talk to you. Thank you. Thank you my brother, y'all. And thank you, y'all.

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