Rooster Teeth Podcast - Wishing We'd Done More Drugs - RTP Stuck at Home

Episode Date: April 22, 2020

Join Gus Sorola, Burnie Burns, Geoff Ramsey, and Gavin Free in RTP Stuck at Home! They discuss things like colonoscopies, quarantine life, conspiracy theories, toilet paper, and much more. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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What do you think they should stop at? One? I have no clue. I don't know. I don't even know what it stands for. I've been working with audio for years. It's decibels. Decebels? Fuck off. But how do you have negative ones? Are we like taking sound out of the room? For years, it's decibels. Decebels? Fuck off. But how do you have negative ones?

Are we like taking sound out of the room? All right, now I'm testing. Yeah, and answer that when I ask whole. We're not gonna do like a stupid insurance air names or anything like that, right? No. But we're already going, aren't we? I mean, this is a, this is first only.

They should know our names. I mean, they may not remember you. It's been a while, but the rest of us they know. Is this one first only? Oh no, this one's for everybody. That's right. Okay, we should announce who we are. Don't say for no why I'm cares.

What they figure it out slowly. Jeff, I'll just say your name and then people will know your Jeff. All right, okay, thanks. Yeah, I'm Bernie's friend, Jeff. I'm Jeff. So Jeff, you'll appreciate this. I have had a lot of time to reflect on my career

over the past few months. And every time you have one conclusion, basically. And it's inspired by you. I wish I had to done a lot more drugs. I was just seriously, I was like, I was like, one regret looking back. I wish, I don't know why. I was watching Wolfelwald Street.

You watch these fucking idiots. Every score stays in movies, essentially the same thing, where it's, you're watching these guys and there's really cool characters. but then if you look at it, it's like, they're robbing people blind. They're like robbing normal everyday citizens, or in like the case of Goodfellas, they're fucking killing people, real people.

And these are true stories, but you give it enough time, and it's like, who gives the shit? Nobody cares. You give it enough time, and then Henry Hill becomes a lovable drunk who you love to hear talk on the radio. Yeah, then all of a sudden Steve Martin's playing him in my blue heaven and a follow-up will be that nobody realizes connected.

That's like, is that true? Is that Henry Hill? Yeah, Steve Martin's character in my blue heaven is Henry Hill. I didn't know that. There you go. That's it. All right, well thanks for listening, everybody. We'll see you all next week.

Well, some fucking jackass will clip where we talked about this eight and a half years ago for two seconds. And how I definitely knew that Steve Martin was playing Henry Hill in my blue heaven. Podcasting for 10, 10 plus years really makes you realize how much you forget shit. Or maybe just it never registered to begin with. Yeah. shit. Or maybe just it never registered to begin with. Yeah, it just made it, if anybody recorded two to three hours of their thoughts every day, they would become a hypocrite within three weeks. I was talking last week about how I'd never used a plunger, but I couldn't verify that. I thought maybe it might have, I didn't want someone to come jump it out and be like actually in 2007, Gavin used this plunger

It's the shit I worry about now. Yeah exactly. There's an RTAA with you using a plunger And in that weird go Gavin that somebody would know that you were I'm assuming That when you're using a plunger you were by yourself alone in a bathroom and that someone in the world at one point would know about that. And that you would double-ended plunges. You might have had like a coach, but someone walking you through. A double-ended plunger is called a stick. I have a question for you, Bertie. It's not plunger related, but you said that you were, and you were going down this line of thinking about drugs

because you were inspired by me. Is that because I've lamented not doing more drugs or because you have the impression I've done a lot of drugs? No, not because you're a drunk. The here's the thing, is that, that's true. Once a drunk always a drunk, that's the only truth. There's no way, there's no way that like over time,

the shitty stuff that I've done can be made into like a hit movie or like Leonardo DiCaprio could portray me because I have no excuse for any of the dumb stupid shit that I've done. I'm just a dumbass or an asshole. Whereas like you have this awesome out because you're an alcoholic. Where, it's like,

someone who wouldn't have an Academy Award doing that. No, or it alcoholic. Where? It's like, someone who wouldn't have an Academy Award doing that. No, or it's like us. It's like somebody could just say, you know, if not not using Jeff as an example, even though he completely fits this description. If you do stupid horrible stuff in your life, and you're like, oh yeah, I did this stuff,

and I stole a bunch of money, or whatever, not the Jeff stole money that I know of, or did all these horrible things that people are treated them poorly, but I was in a really bad place in my life. I was an alcoholic or I was addicted to drugs, and I've since cleaned myself up. Then I was like, oh, I don't have that.

Like, there's nothing I can do to clean myself up. As long as you say sorry in a really sincere way, and say you've cleaned your life up, it's like a free pass for every shitty thing you did before that. Yeah, but you're giving yourself a hot out. You're making it sound like you've, this is the end now. You could walk out tomorrow and kill someone if you wanted to.

And then recover from that. Or, or dude, what are you, 46 years old? Bernie? 47. 47, why don't you start doing drugs? That's my plan. Seriously, here's my problem. Is that I wish I'd started younger.

Shout out to all the younger kids, do drugs. Your body can take it. My body cannot take it, I don't think at this point. Well, just try, just a microdose, just a little by little, you build it up, and then you know, next thing you know, it's second nature to you. I'll tell you what, when I retire,

it's gonna be like 100% in the retirement home, video games and hard drugs. Like, everything I never did. Why not? What's the first one? How was it different from home? How was it different from the quarantine? What's number one on your wish list?

It's always the one, everyone has a drug they're scared of. For me, it was always LSD. I never wanted to put myself at the mercy of my own imagination, essentially. That seems like a bad idea. LSD would be the drug you're most scared of trying. Definitely. That's what I'm saying.

I think everyone has a drug that's like, there's no way they would ever do that particular drug. And for me, it's LSD. How about you, Gavin, then Gus? I don't know enough about the drugs. I don't know what they will do. The drugs. You watch TV.

It's heroin. There's no question about it. It guesses right. Ding ding ding. It's heroin. There's no question about it. It guesses right, ding-ding-ding. It's definitely heroin. I feel like I've had heroin though. Go on. Just if I'm looking back across my life, it seems like, I mean, I've had like a tooth pulled, right?

And then they give you the heroin. The dentist prescribed it? Yeah, I got a colonoscopy. I finally convinced my doctor to put something up in my butt. I just wanted to talk to you because they were not going to do it. I had to pay out a pocket for it and everything because I wasn't 50 years old yet. And they really don't want you to do it until you're 55. Yeah, that's changed. When I was in my 30s, because I had a colonoscopy when I was like,

I want to say 36, right, because of the diverticulitis, they were like, you're say 36, right? Cause of the diverticulitis. They were like, you're gonna have one at 40, and then 45, and then 50, and then every five years for the rest of your life. And then I go back to get them, and they're like, nah, you don't need one at 40, come back at 45. And so I haven't had one in nine years,

I'm supposed to have one this summer, not sure how that's gonna shake out. But yeah, I guess the rules are changing because I remember it was like, it was all get one of 40, and then I swear people were saying 45, and now my doctor said 50, 50 or 55. Is there like other ways that they're checking?

Like is there something else supplementing it that's replaced that or what? That's a great question. I think they just have probably enough data that I realize like, unless you've got some reason to get it. Like I think diverticulitis is one of the conditions that would necessitate it or- And a cordon, a cordon of them, it's not like even with my diverticulitis, that's not that

big a deal. So I tried it 40 and he told me no. And I was just, I went in because I have a history of it in my family and I was just, I always heard what Jeff heard, which is like, you're supposed to start getting them by the time you're 40. So. Can you have just lied your way into it? Say you got a butt plug stuck with something and then have them check up there. They don't schedule a procedure for a month out and make you spend three days doing prep to pull a fucking butt plug out of your ass all dude. That's an emergency room visit.

I think it's always a bad idea to lie about medical stuff too. Just that's the one person you never want to lie to. Like go back to the conversation, tell the doctor what drugs you took. If they're not asking you to get you in trouble, if you end up in the emergency room, and you did do something, tell the fucking doctor, because they're not asking you, so they can rat you out to the cops.

That's not what you're saying. You got the butt plug out on my own. On my own, I got the butt plug out. Yeah, do they find anything up there? How did they go? They didn't find anything. So I got a clean bill of health, which Gus, as you know, is one of the worst things

a doctor can tell you, because then it just reaffirms all your fucking bad choices. Yeah, and how are you talking about doing drugs? Well, that was the thing is that I went in and I've never been a, never been knocked out in my life. I've never been, I have like periods where I've blacked out, either don't remember stuff from alcohol or there was one time I got punched where I don't remember stuff. But as far as I know, I've never like lost consciousness and passed out, including

being like wisdom teeth or knocked out medically. So they could have done that for this. And I said, no, just give me the, you know, like twilight or whatever they call it. And that was such a strange experience because I never had that before either where it's like, I don't recall ever not being lucid at any point in time, but there's literally 40 minutes that seems like it's a minute long to me. Like I didn't like, I didn't gather any information or make any memories or something.

This really weird gap, but I don't feel like a gap. Like I don't feel like I was asleep or anything like that. Did you order a barbecue chicken pizza? No, I did not. I didn't, and I don't feel like I was asleep or anything like that. Did you order a barbecue chicken pizza? No, I did not. I didn't. And I didn't record any dumb internet videos either. With me just yammering away or anything like that. No offense, Gab, and I know you recorded one of those videos yourself.

You know, it's funny because I had morphine in high school when I had my jaw surgery. And I think I spent probably from 17 until 30 trying to figure out how to hurt myself again in a way to get morphine Like I attribute a lot of my dumb shenanigans to just wanting to hurt myself in a way that I could get like a month Supply of morphine because it was so don't they just don't they just pass that out to everyone in the army Didn't you get that while you were there? That's like stabby morphine pen. I'm gonna I'm a lay in a secret in the army They prescribe IB profan 800 milligram IB profan for everything I got the flu 1600 milligrams of IB profan broke your leg 1600 milligrams of IB profan

What got a dildo stuck up your ass 800 milligrams of IB profan, but you were also like huffing gas was that after you couldn't get hold of any morphine That was younger. I was about to say, mage. I was just chasing that high. Dude, I huffed gas out of extreme boredom. Have you retained the skills you had from the job? Jeff, can you work on like two-second engines and things like that, like small engines? I can empty gas out of a lawnmower like a pro. That's like riding a bike. With your hands tied behind your back? Yeah, with only my nose available. I think I've probably, I think those skills have probably atrophied in my old age.

Gav was, Gav was bitching on Twitter the other day about leafflowers that he hates leafflowers. What was the thing ever invented? Why, because they're waking you up in the morning stuff. That wake you up, that loud, blue, and they just blow leaves around. So I looked it up, because I had read a story about this on Reddit

after you posted that, I was gonna link it to you. And then I realized, Gavin doesn't want anyone to respond to him on Twitter ever for any reason, so I didn't even send it. I just read up on it. It was, it goes back to something, Gus, you and I have always talked about with climate change. And by the way, I've heard you're a vegan now, Gus, and I got to talk about that.

I don't know where the fuck that came from. But it's like veganism or when people talk about stuff they wanna do environmentally, like, oh, I'm doing X, like I have an electric car or whatever, and people immediately attack you for doing whatever you're doing because they're not gonna do it. And it's like no one's asking you to do it.

All I'm saying is that I'm doing this. And there was some guy on Reddit who posted about, he informed the people in his town, and I think it was Canada, that leafblowers pollute as much as a pickup truck, that they throw out an incredible amount of carbon monoxide and carbon dioxide into the environment for running, just because they're two-second engine,

they're just spitting oil a bit, essentially out with their exhaust and burning oil. And he just made people aware of that, and he's had to deal with like getting constant death threats because people would rather threaten his life than evaluate their own need to use a leaf bar to rake leaves. Do you think these are people who just bought one? If I remember the exact stat,

I think running one for 30 minutes puts out as much emissions as driving a pickup truck from Texas to Alaska. I think that was said in that post, you might have read the same post that I did. Probably. Yeah, but what fucking believe it? A 1913 Model T. What if I stick wheels to a leaf blow and ride that to a difference A? You'd get to Alaska in 30 minutes.

I mean, there's a big difference between a 19 what was that truck? You had a 68? It was a 64 60-year-old chefy and a like a 2020 F-150 they're very very different on the emissions. I would assume this is at BC man This is I'll put it in the link dump Prince George matters. Who knows if there's a good Website environmental enthusiasts Who knows if there's a good website? Environmental enthusiasts that inform Vancouver City Council are reconsidered introducing a by-law to ban the use of gas powered leaf lowers throughout the city.

And he received death threats. I mean, why would you, I mean, how dedicated are you to your leaf lower that you wanna threaten somebody's life? It's un-fucking believable. So guys, have you got any death threats for being a vegan? The one I got, kind of similar to what you're talking about is at earlier this year, I posted on Twitter

a breakdown of the amount of electricity I used to charge my car for all of 2019. I believe it's your pin tweet. It is my pin tweet. And I got so many comments coming after me, telling me how much worse electric cars are for the environment than gasoline powered cars. And all I could say is I'm not saying that it's better.

I'm just trying to answer. People always ask how much does it cost to charge. All I'm trying to tell you is how much it cost me to charge. Just data. It's just data. You're the one who's interpreting it and twisting it to be this other narrative or to try to make some kind of other point with it. I'm just trying to tell you how much does it cost to go. That's it.

What do we need? Do we need hydrogen cars? Is that the future? No, no. What do we need, guys? We just need to clean up infrastructure and power plants. So if everyone switched to electric car, that would be preferable. Obviously, power plants are still dirty. You need a decommissioned old coal plants and find cleaner ways to generate electricity, which unfortunately might include nuclear, which is probably something people don't want to deal with. All right, there you go, I killed it. Thanks for listening, everybody.

Big milestone for Germany, they did something like 30% of their electricity was from solar on one of these days. I love those milestones, we hit them every now and then. Some country is that 80% of their electricity was from solar on one of these days. I love those milestones. We seem like we hit them every now and then. Like, some country is that 80% of their total energy is made by renewables. Yeah, I think England's had a few days last year, where there was no finite resources burned. On the, on the other hand, I read this morning in the New York Times that the EPA's weakening

controls on mercury emissions for coal-fired power plants in the United States. Didn't they suspend all the EPA stuff because of corona? Like they've done that in the UK as well. Oh, really? They suspended environmental protections. Just for no justifiable reason really, just like, oh, we're just suspending all these

because of the corona virus. I saw an interesting infographic. I think it was last week that broke down the air quality index over Los Angeles Between 1995 and current day just to show how the impact of less people driving and You like everything kind of shutting down because the coronavirus has kind of cleaned up the air there But the most interesting part of that graph to me was to look at how much dirtier the air was in 1995 Like right way worse and it's you know, you think of that as being a and it's still a super dirty City very polluted air quality wise, but it's crazy how much worse it was 25 years ago.

And to see that, you know, but tightening emission standards really does help and actually did do something there. But fuck it. Whatever. Well, they've been loosened now, right? Well, yeah, administration did that last year. And they're not going to sue California to make them, because California said we're going to stick to what we're going to hear to our own emissions standards.

I think that's still ongoing. And isn't that the big part of the conversation now, Jeff, is that I think it's from the outside looking in, especially America seems like one gigantic unit, but it really is the United States of America. And when we hear about things within the US of like something that's going on in Michigan, like people flying Confederate flags in Michigan for some reason, or blocking, now having a protest

where they block the hospitals to protest the quarantine. Yeah. It's like, when I hear that, I don't feel that strong of an association with those people living in Texas. I don't feel as much responsibility as I think most people outside of the US looking in what just see us all as Americans. I feel like there's a greater degree of discrepancy for us to see what state is what.

California is a very, very different state than Florida, for instance. Oh, absolutely. Yeah, I don't think the rest of the world understands how ununited we are in the states, I guess. Like the reason I don't live in Alabama is because it's a steaming pile of shit for the shit racist rose people. We're still Americans. They're still Americans down there,

including all my family who I love dearly. Shout out, love you, mom. But everybody around them is terrible. And it's a huge discrepancies and things like literacy and I mean, I infer mortality, but enough to be important, there's huge differences in states. Oh, it's ridiculous.

When I moved around a lot, I think I've told the story a few times maybe. But what is this podcast for for not retelling stories from the last decade? When I was in like the sixth grade in Louisiana, which was like 30th in the nation in school systems, and then I had to move back to Alabama. My eighth grade history book was my sixth grade history book in Louisiana.

Wow. Yeah. Because Alabama at the time was 47th in the nation. I believe they might even be 48th now. But I remember even at 14 or 13 going like, this does not seem right. Wow. Yeah, it's crazy.

And even in even within Texas, I mean, Austin is so different than ever else. We dodged a huge blow. I don't even know if we dodged it, but somebody made a huge gut check tough call of canceling South by Southwest in the middle of March, which is the biggest economic event in Austin, Texas.

Bar none. Like $150 million a year, brings in or something. Something like that. For local economies, gotta be empire than $150 million, I would assume, but it's bigger that we have an F1 track here and everything, nothing compares to South by Southwest. They canceled the festival, the film festival, the interactive festival, which is basically the tech festival, and the music festival, which is dwarfs everything.

And they did that when we had zero cases in the city of Austin, such as Travis County in Texas. And I think that's what woke, I think a lot of people up in the nation was the fact that South by Southwest had been canceled. It became one of the first talking points for action in the US. And yeah, if we hadn't done that, if they are the city hadn't done that,

I really think we'd be one of the big hotspots in the nation now. I totally agree. And for people who aren't super familiar with South by, it's a two week festival music interactive and film like Bernie said, but about 250 to 300,000 people come into the town in the span of about 12 days.

So I just looked it up just to back up what you were saying and the 2019 economic impact was about $356 million. Yeah, yeah, right. Almost half a billion dollars are creeping up that way. And to put it in perspective too, I think a lot of people who know about Austin know about Sixth Street, which is kind of like our bourbon street. It's just a row of bars that extends for like a mile and a half.

And the day after they canceled South by Southwest, they started boarding up the bars on Sixth Street. And have you guys seen that? If you go to Sixth Street. Everything is just boarded up. As a matter of fact, not only when they started boarding it up, they also mentioned that they wouldn't be shutting, because they shut down six street every night,

every Friday, Saturday and Sunday, from 8 p.m. until 3 a.m. or whatever. And the other night when they did that, they announced, I guess it was about a month ago now, right, Gus? They announced that it wouldn't be shut down for the first time in like 22 years. I think the last time, immediately drove down it. Yeah, 99. I immediately drove down it just to see what it was like to drive down six

streets on Friday night. It was crazy. It was surreal. It looked like it looked like a city boarding up for a hurricane. Were there any people out and about? No, not that night, but I will say recently about three, maybe two through weeks ago, because while we're social distancing and we have a shelter in place order, or our version of it, we're still allowed to go out and go for walks and go for bike rides to get exercise. And I don't live too terribly far from downtown,

so I rode my bike, or Emily and I rode our bikes down at like 11 a.m. on a Saturday, just to see what downtown was like. Downtown is crazy because it's empty except for the homeless people that were already there, but now there's no normal people around either, and it's like normal people. Go ahead, go ahead, just a choice.

It's normal people. There's no normal, sorry. There's homeless people, but there's no humans. No, homeless people are humans. As far as I know, I can feel myself getting in trouble here. But I'm gonna say like, there are a lot of aggressive, I live downtown for two years. There's a lot of aggressive, like mentally unstable homeless people

because we don't do a good job of taking care of them here in the city. And a city, a downtown that's just those people is the scariest place on earth. I got the fuck out of downtown very quickly. Yeah, and can you imagine what a horror story it would be to be homeless in the case of disease going around? It's like, what can you possibly do?

You already don't have access to care. There's you can't even have access to cleanliness. Like what do you, yeah, how do you, and the national message is stay at home. And you're like, yeah, stay away from other people and wash your hands efficiently for a hundred times a day. How do you do that if you're living on the streets? And yeah, it's heartbreaking.

That makes it sad. I was making fun of you just saying normal people. I'd be obviously normal can also mean just within the bounds of a certain statistical range. You know, yeah, and homeless people definitely fall outside of that. And then there's the real estate nature that a lot of homeless people are mentally ill.

Like, I keep reading in all of these cities, one of the big initiatives they're taking is to take hotels, which are shut down. And they're turning into rooms where they give them to homeless people. And it's like, I can't everyone see how that's gonna go really, really terribly wrong for those hotels. There was a hotel in South Austin.

I wanna say like, half a 35-in-old tour if that burned down, was it like 10 years ago because of something similar? Do you remember that? Someone started a fire in one of the rooms, and the whole hotel went up. Jesus. There's gonna be a lot of choices made

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I'm looking right now. I'm watching what we're doing this. I'm watching there's a group of protesters downtown Austin right now outside the governor's mansion rallying to reopen the state. Oh, please don't. You put it. It's a five hour long rally today from noon to 5 p.m. Well, I think that's I think that's a territory that we're in now, though, too, because with the lockdown measures, if and when they start to work,

and you start to see that flattening of the curve, you start to see new cases dropping off, you see the death rate start to flatten, and that horrible exponential rise of dying people doesn't happen, then no one's, or very few people are going to be saying, oh, we took the right steps. So many people are going to be saying, like, that was overblown. Right. And we shouldn't have done it. I'm actually curious how the administration is now gonna pivot from saying it wasn't a big deal.

To now, it isn't a big deal and they've been saying it was all long to, if we do end up somewhere below a flu in terms of death rates, how are they gonna pivot back to saying that we told you all long? Yeah, exactly, we told you all long, right? Because you know, that's coming. It's a real shame that we're so all along. Yeah, exactly. We told you all along, right? Because you know that's coming. It's a real shame that we're so politically

and divided in the country because I've been thinking about this a lot. There's no way, there's no way to have gotten this right in our political climate. No, well, there's no way to get it right. It's just, at all. I mean, it's like the disease comes out of nowhere and it's like, even in the midst of it spreading,

people in the US of it spreading, people in the US of course want to fight with each other make it somehow political. I'm dealing with that on a personal level because I know I got kids that go back and forth and my ex-wife and I differ very, we're very different on the political spectrum. Let's put it that way. But also in this case, it's like, neither one of us is like super on the fringe of being lunatics, but I definitely like lean more towards the preparation pandemic is coming, this is a real deal side,

and she's like seeing the economic impacts, which admittedly are the economic impacts are greater than the death toll in the US. So for the 22 million unemployed, is that the new number that just came out? Austin is 25% unemployment. That is great depression levels, man. Yeah.

And the scary thing to me about it is, we're seeing a lot of things that will study, I think, for a long time as a result of COVID. One, we already mentioned, which is, you could never convince cities all over the world to shut down, to test the environmental impacts of no one commuting and everyone working from home.

But it is a huge byproduct of all the measures we're taking to prevent the spread of the disease. So now we're gonna have all this climate data, I think, that we can use to affect change in other ways. So that's a silver lining thing. But this blip will show up on so many graphs that nothing to do with coronavirus. Yeah, and it's also gonna be hard to get people

to go back to work in an office if they don't have to. You know, I think people miss traffic right now, but once you're in it two or three more times, you're like, why did they come back to this? Yeah, I wonder if maybe people don't. Like maybe we, maybe this fundamentally changes the way we work. I mean, Rooster Teeth, as a, you know,

about a 350 to 400 person company, has been able to make a transition to working from home. I think fairly successfully, it's been a lot of work and a lot of heavy lifting from a lot of really hard working talented people, but it's can be done, you know, and it makes me wonder, do we all need to go crowd around in offices together five days a week or maybe we start to work from home more often or with certain positions. I don't know I mean eventually the work ethic has to decrease right as people get more complacent and lazy I feel like an office will still be important for To come up with new shit. Oh, it's funny. You say that. I was thinking about my desk earlier

I was when I was looking at the windows look I was looking at my backyard and I was looking outside. And I was wondering, what does my desk look like right now? It's been weeks since I've seen it. What did I leave on it? What's there? Just like, wistfully remembering my time sitting at my desk in my office instead of my makeshift work area here at home. Yeah, we get a lot of packages sent from people,

and I was thinking the other day, I hope I didn't leave any packages in my office that were full of fucking perishable food, somebody sent me, unseal that tomb six weeks later, and fucking, it'd be like the day we got that, somebody mailed us that lampus bread and that box they created that molded, and we had to fumigate the office.

Your office is gonna be taken over by mold and ants. So, fun with that. We've got you, you make fun of me. You make fun of me. You make fun of me from my lampus bread that I had my marine rations, but I have to get those, or a special place in my house right now

sitting in the shelf. It's been surprisingly easier than I expected to be eating a plant-based diet with all of this stuff going on. I went through about a week where it was difficult to find the brand of tofu I prefer, but beyond that, it's been really not bad, which is shocking to me. Okay, three big changes from COVID. One is the pollution, second is the economy, third is Gus has a preferred brand of tofu, apparently. So the world has completely changed, totally.

But I do think another thing we're about to learn from all of this and it's gonna be a very hard lesson is that there is an incredible momentum to capitalism. And while this was a huge effort to stop that momentum and wind it down, it's not gonna be as easy to wind it back up again. Like Jeff, even what you just said about, hey, we're all working from home.

We don't need these places, we don't need these offices. You know, not to, reminder, I am not in management at Ruchertieth anymore and haven't been for a long time. There's a number of people that work just with us whose jobs it is to maintain those spaces and to make sure that the people who do other things can be there. So I mean, I can think of like five or six people that if that change happens on a global scale, I can think of people that's going to impact in my immediate life. So it's, these big changes, sometimes there, there's a silver lining to them coming a little

bit quicker, but then also it's going to affect some people in the immediate short term. It makes me wonder if when this country was coming up and if there was this infrastructure here already like internet, I wonder how many buildings wouldn't have been built, like office buildings. Yeah, that's nothing to you, right? Like what's going to happen to real estate, commercial real estate? I was also thinking like what happens if your company is deemed, you know, necessary to keep operating, but every other company in your building isn't.

Are you just, is the, the giant building owner just paying for your business to be in there? Do they turn off all the other offices and shit? Like how does that work? Well, I think we're reaching a period where I're going to start to see those kinds of things, Gav, because I mean, like I've done on my own small economic level, on a micro level, like the new babies babysitter, we have a guy that works on our lawn. I've just been paying them, even though they can't come, I just continue to pay them.

And I think that on a macro level, we're seeing that with a grence and leases, but that's only going to last so long. I mean, it's sure some businesses are continuing to pay their rent if they can. But as they don't have any revenue, they're just not going to be able to do that. And likewise, you know, people who own real estate and lease it out to people are going to run out of runway as well, you know, and it's going to take the government, like, especially in Austin, reducing property tax and things like that in order to make sure that that's stable. Well, don't worry.

I mean, the federal government sent most people $1,200 and, you know, you can live for 10 months off of that. Yeah, I know right. 1,200 bucks, man. What was interesting was that people who make $95,000 get $200. Is that it? 200 bucks? I thought it was nothing. I think above 99 is nothing, but 95. Yep, there's a scale.

It's like, what's someone who makes $95,000 gonna do a $200? Just give it all to, like give that shit down to the people who make way less. Make $94,000. Yeah. It just seemed like an arbitrary amount of money. Yeah, like, why do they sit down

and come up with those tears? That's weird. Can I just say real fast? Before we go too far down this podcast, I don't hate homeless people or people from Alabama. I can't really tell. And I don't think almost people aren't normal. But you are pro hero.

Yeah, don't worry. They're not gonna get podcasts in Alabama for another 10 years, you're fine. That's an excellent point. Yeah Thanks for thanks for reminding me I get a feeling like most congressional bills like when they determine these things A lot of them are almost like when they decide what's canonical for the Bible and what to include and why not to include There's stuff that gets so specific you real it makes me think it has to be about one guy like when they were It makes me think it has to be about one guy, like when they were including this one verse in the Bible,

it has to be about one specific person in their town and it just ended up stuck in the Bible. However, I always think, back, there's a Deuteronomy verse, it's, I looked it up here, it's Deuteronomy 23-1 and it says, no one whose testicles are crushed, shall enter the assembly of the Lord. And it's like, what is that rule? Like if you have crushed testicles, you can't go to church.

So that was included because there was one guy in town who had bust balls and they knew they could pick him out for this one thing, right? That's what that had to be. It's funny you say that, because I always think about the, there's that one verse about like, don't spill your seed on the ground or God will kill you.

It's like, there was a dude who was jacking off on the ground and they were trying to get him to stop. It's the exact, it would be like, it would be like if you read the Bible and it's like, and Mark said the Paul, do not masturbate with the right hand or it will grow hair. It's like, just she a your mom told you when you're furiously beating off as an eight year old

that somebody thought, yeah, what the hell though that in the Bible? The 11th commandment was, and chicks named Sheila are real cunts. Ha ha ha ha ha ha. If you hold your face that long, it will stick. But how many times do you have to spill your seed on the ground

before it's committed to writing? Like you wouldn't be running up the first time. Go, I tell you what, go jack off outside in front of a cop and see how long it gets committed, how long till it's committed to writing. Just do it in downtown Austin right now because it'll be normal behavior. You'll be okay. Nobody will notice. Well that's the other thing we're dealing with too. And Austin, we're dealing with the fact that we do have shelter in place, and stay home, stay safe, but they've openly said, they're not gonna enforce it.

So it's really just up to everybody to honor this. And I live really close in Austin, not gonna say where, but I live next to a park that gets a lot of traffic. And I can tell you, the traffic in that park has not died down at all. There's like, it's really frustrating for me because it's been hard to navigate with having kids and my poor JD, the last half of his senior year

has just evaporated. Rug got pulled out from under me. No graduation, no prom. He pointed out the other day, he didn't get to say goodbye to any of his friends because they didn't know they weren't coming back just evaporated. You know, rug got pulled out from under me. No graduation, no prom. He pointed out the other day, he didn't get to say goodbye to any of his friends because they didn't know they weren't coming back from break. It's like high school is, he doesn't have that closure for high school that the rest of us kind of take for granted, whether or not we like high school. But yeah, there's 10 to 15% of the population, it seems like

that is having a fucking ball, dude. Are you yelling at him? Are you screaming at him? I thought about flying my drone over there. I thought about doing like, I was someone Jeff I was gonna do like World War II style propaganda on a loudspeaker. Like, you know, that kapital is kaput. Go home. But yeah, no, it's the parking lot's filled with cars

and I just hear people screaming and have like, you know, that scream that kids do when they're in a group and they're running back and force screaming at the top of their lungs. It's just kids playing together and just families out having a ball because the city's got no traffic and everything is empty and how cool is this?

You know, there's gonna be people who actually miss Austin under lockdown when all the quote, people come back. It's funny, every now and then, like every couple of days, I'll get stir crazy and rather than go for a walk or do anything, I'll get in my car and I'll just drive around. I'll be like, oh, I've been driven to this part of town in a while

or this place is normally really far. I can draw out to the oasis the other day because I was normally at the pin in the ass, but there's no traffic these days. But I was driving down 35 the other day and it made me think about what traffic was like back in the 90s in Austin but back before the population doubled. And it's like the streets kind of used to be like this.

I like you just crept up for over so many years. I didn't realize it was like this is what it used to be like driving around. We used to be able to go downtown on a not to be the old people, but we used to be able to go downtown on a Friday night Gus, you and I and Park in front of the bar we went to. Mm- people, but we used to be able to go downtown on a Friday night Gus, you and I, and park in front of the bar we went to. Which is crazy to think of now. Now you don't go downtown

because you don't wanna deal with parking, or you Uber because it's impossible. Or remember, we used to go bowling all the time, that bowling alley that was up off a run bird, we were living off a riverside, and be like, oh yeah, we'll go, it'll take us like six minutes to get there. Yeah, I'd say it this side of town, it's five minutes.

Right, it's like, oh yeah, it's no big deal. Now it'd be like, oh fuck, it's like a half hour away, I'm not going all the way over there. Speaking of what, let's say on the side of town, it's five minutes. Right, it's like, oh yeah, it's no big deal. Now it would be like, oh, fuck, it's like a half hour away. I'm not going all the way over there. Speaking of a Bernie side about people being outside, though, it is weird that like, I live in a big neighborhood, like a big family neighborhood, I guess, a lot of kids, a lot of like fucking swings in the front yard and shit.

And I never see kids outside. Kids are on inside on their, their, their wheeze or their switches or their Xboxes or whatever or their fucking iPhones. And uh, something about telling kids, you don't have to go to school and you have to stay home has made them all want to ride bikes and go outside and play street hockey. And it's like, it's insane. I people, it's like parting the seas when I have to drive out of my neighborhood to go

to the grocery store. It's like block party every block. I know exactly what you mean. It's, it's, uh, JD just turned, he also had his 18th birthday under lockdown, you know? So it's, yeah, it's like a whole thing, you know? And obviously there's bigger problems in the world than high school graduation and things like that.

But it's just something in my personal life where it's like, it just kind of sucks to watch him not have those things, you know? Totally. Yeah, it's like JD, all JD's friends, it seems like in the first weeks, especially it's like, just kind of sucks to watch him not have those things, you know? Totally. Yeah, it's like, all JD's friends, it seems like in the first weeks, especially we're like, hey, let's all throw parties and let's all go

to do this stuff. The stuff that, you know, maybe I just didn't notice it, but it seemed like it ramped up significantly when the orders came down to say, maybe you should stay at home. Everyone's like, no, maybe we shouldn't. It's that American fuck you attitude

that we have that's ingrained in us. It's that American fuck you attitude that we have that's ingrained in us. That's only gonna get stronger, right? We're starting to see people are just like, at first there was some level of solidarity. I think the last time there was solidarity in this country was probably after 9-11. And we had, I hadn't seen anything like that in my lifetime.

You know, that amount of like everyone's going in the same direction. and it actually got a little scary at times. But this lasted probably two weeks, maybe three weeks of people like paying attention now everyone's just like, back to politics as usual. I wonder if the people who are heating to the stay-at-home and doing it all correctly.

I wonder if that is driven by the end being in sight though. Like if there wasn't promises of a vaccine in 18 months or whatever, and if it was gonna be like 20 years, I reckon it would be so different. You think that's still inside? You think that I mean- I don't! Yeah. Being doing this for 18 months is like, oh yeah, no big deal.

I see a lot better than 20 years. I mean, yeah, comparatively, it's also a lot better than dying, but I wouldn't say it's inside. Yeah. I don't think it's inside either. Well, I think it would be different if it was 20. Okay, point given. It'd probably even more different if it was a hundred.

Yeah, or 200 or a thousand. What else would it be different? That live event, that's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. That live event, that's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying.

That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm not in management anymore. I don't know anything. People keep writing to me about live events and stuff. And I'm like, I don't know anything about it. But it's, you know, it's, who knows how long is it the last, the other thing that we're dealing with with JD

as well is that he's off to university next year. And now if his first year at university is all gonna be distance learning and teleconferencing, he just might not wanna go for the first year of college and just, you know, travel for a year. If you can travel, you know, or anything else. Yeah. Yeah. So, take a gap, you're a place on video games. Yeah. Let me ask you guys a question. Let's say we as a country or as a society, we follow protocol enough that everybody's like, follow protocol enough that everybody's like a healthy person's fears are swaged and we start to open up travel again how long until you feel

comfortable getting on a flight or an international flight like I was watching an episode of making the cut last night which is it's like the new project runway and they went to Tokyo and I was like, man, I wanna fucking go to Tokyo, I love Tokyo. And then I was thinking, will I go to Tokyo again? When would I feel safe going anywhere? Once I get the vaccine, once you get the vaccine, that's it. Well, I'm saying you probably won't feel safe though.

You probably will go to Tokyo, but I do think fundamentally, at least for probably five or six years, your mental approach to that will be very, very different, I think. And this next time you go, you won't think it's unusual that people are wearing masks. You'll probably be wearing one too. I also think that is going to be a major foundational change in society in general, is that masks are going to become permanently prevalent, and people will will not it will not be weird to see people in America wearing masks and you won't make fun of them or think that they're you know like

Looney tunes or have some sort of a weird immune deficiency or whatever well And this is where I get a little bit off the rails and probably gonna upset some people by saying this it also doesn't help that we have the CDC and the surgeon general in the US giving such wildly conflicting advice on how to approach masks and the efficacy of masks. It's something I've been very upset about through this whole process. I was actually traveling internationally with my new baby, who was four months old at the time. I was traveling internationally right around my birthday, which January 18th.

I was traveling on the 15th of January. And that was right at the time they locked down Wuhan, which is a city of 10 million people. And anyone who's listed the podcast knows I've always been like had my eye on pandemics and looking at this kind of thing. We went over my whole preparation kit that I have going back to the Ebola days when Ebola was in Dallas. And so I've been watching this stuff very, very closely because I went to London Heathrow the day after they lock down Wuhan. And I mean, we were, you know, had masks on at that point in time. And I get why the CDC is my own personal opinion here.

I get why the CDC is saying the things that they are because there's obviously a shortage of PPE equipment in the United States, masks included. But at what point does like a white lie, and we all know the result they're trying to achieve of getting the masks in the hands of healthcare professionals where they will be the most effective. At what point is that detrimental

to tell people that masks are not effective? Because I don't know in what world breathing freely in a public space where people are infected is somehow on par with having any kind of covering over your mouth in any way whatsoever. You know, I get with kids because you put a mask on a little kid, they touch their face a lot more. That can reduce the efficacy of it.

But even like in the early days, I was on the, well, the China flu subreddit back in January, which is now, they did a weird thing on the subreddits where they switched subreddits. There was a China flu subreddit. It was called, it's called the China flu subreddit. It was called the China flu subreddit. Well, nobody knew what it was. Right.

They didn't even know it was a coronavirus at the time. It was just some flu-like disease. Remember the early days of even AIDS, Jeff, when they called it the gay flu? Because they didn't know what it was. And yeah, so the subreddit, they actually went through a really interesting thing where once it was called the coronavirus

and it started to become more in the public eye, the people who were on the China flu subreddit, they actually went through a really interesting thing where once it was called the coronavirus and it started to become more in the public eye The people who were on the China flu subreddit were actually there from the very beginning and we're discussing all of this stuff and they switched subreddits They made a one day they made a full switch almost like Sweden switching sides of the roads that they drive on when they did that where they said Do you all hear music? No, no, why would they say that? Hold on, so I just started hearing music here Hold on, oh, you know what it is? He goes all hear music? No, no. Why would they say that? Hold on, I was saying I just started hearing music here. Hold on. You know what it is? He goes crazy.

No, I'm going crazy. I had a news tab open and it just, I guess, changed over to an ad or something. I'm currently going to look at it. But they did a switch in one night where the China flu subreddit and the corona virus subreddit, which started later, once I knew it was a coronavirus, more people were going to that, but that was an unmoderated subreddit, which started later, once I knew it was a coronavirus, more people were going to that,

but that was an unmoderated subreddit. So one day, they just flopped and they said, okay, now if you wanna have an unmoderated discussion about China flu and scream about China and say horrible things, you know, about Bat Super, whatever, that's that subreddit China flu. And now we're moving over to the moderated discussion, which is just information about coronavirus.

But one of the early changes the moderators, they were really great moderators in the early days on that official subreddit, was that they banned all discussion of masks because it just got to be fucking insane of people saying whether or not masks were effective. And I'm not saying that masks will stop the coronavirus. I don't feel that way,

but how can you argue that they're less effective than not having them? You know what I mean? It's just it doesn't make any sense to me at all. So that's when China flu became available for the president to you. It's after that. Yeah, China flu. Is that bothering you? By the way, it doesn't, I mean, this might be not be popular. That doesn't bother me that he calls it that. It bothers me. We have a name. He was using the preferred name, and he switched almost intentionally to defer blame. It's like trying to remind people that it's not his fault. That's the spirit behind it.

Yes, but also China is doing that as well. Just because someone else is doing it doesn't mean that we should do it all the way. Two words are like, right. No, yeah, I get what you're saying, but when Trump does it, it does seem to have a harder edge to it, but when a Chinese official is saying, but when Trump does it, does seem to have a harder edge to it, but when a Chinese official is Twitter,

he's signaling racism to people that are listening for that racism. Yeah. Also, I mean, I get that. Even the origin of the name right, like people will say, what about, look back at the Spanish flu. We called it that to try to make it seem like

it was someone else's problem. It's like, it's all about a perception, right? You know, we had it. It probably started here with a Spanish flu, and we call it Spanish flu just because of information censorship at the time in World War One. Yeah. Right. It was actually one of the earliest, like, kind of media byproducts of the modern media environment where Spain was the only people reporting on the flu. Everyone else involved with the war was being hush-hush about it. So the only reports and newspapers were in Spain.

So it was called the Spanish flu because that's where all the cases supposedly were. But let me see this. There was a Chinese official who was on Twitter, which is a banned platform in China. It's a banned platform, supposedly that no one in China can get onto Twitter, supposedly. And he was on there saying openly that the paramilitary games were held in Wuhan in November and that the US brought the coronavirus to China as part of the paramilitary games and it was actually a military personnel from the US who were infected first in China. He was openly saying this and he's actually backtracked on it, which is pretty rare.

But it's like, you know, it's, it's, and Trump's not, I don't think Trump is saying the Chinese virus because he's trying to solve this problem long-term, but long-term, we do have a huge fucking problem with the propaganda engine that exists in China. And this is, I think this, what we're dealing with, the Corona virus

is a huge offshoot of that. It's not the main reason, but it's our response to it. I think has been the downplaying of the virus when it was exclusively in China for a while. Yeah, that's true. I'll agree with that. That's for sure.

And before we were, before we had to deal with the coronavirus, everybody was up in arms about censorship and film and the NBA and television in China. That was the last big controversy. This just eclipsed that. Yeah, and there's western versions of that, not that Japan is a western country,

but you know, they're a little bit more democratic. You know, you see for capitalist reason, why people downplayed as well. I was like, even back in January, I thought the big watershed moment for this virus was gonna be if and when the Olympics were canceled or postponed. That was what was gonna bring everyone's attention to it.

That was actually one of the last things to happen. Japan, like, just stuck to their guns that they were holding those Olympics, man. Well, that might have been out of their control. That might have been IOC as well. I mean, I won't put the blame entirely on them. Yeah, but who, Gus, who are these organizations? Who's the IOC?

Who's FIFA? Who's the World Health Organization? It's like, there's all this debate about these, if they have these organizations and they held so much power, why can they not effectively do anything either? Yeah. You know, the World Health Organization is going back to the whole like calling it the China flu subreddit.

The reason why it was called the China flu subreddit for so long was they wouldn't release information about the virus. They wouldn't identify it. They finally identified as coronavirus, but then even after they identified it as a coronavirus, it took them weeks to name the thing COVID-19. And it's part of the reason why I think you still see people calling Corona and not calling it COVID is because they had to go through this whole process of naming it that didn't tie it to a region, you know, and it didn't have any like specifications of origin and things like that. While at the same time, the last outbreak of essentially a SARS-related epidemic was called

the Middle Eastern Respiratory Syndrome. It was called MERS. So it's not a very consistent methodology they have for naming this, but apparently not calling it the Wuhan Fluor, the Wuhan virus was very, very important to the World Health Organization. It's frustrating. It's been frustrating watching that organization

because even though on the podcast, I make a lot of jokes about NASA and stuff like that, I consider myself to be a very scientific person. I hold science in very high regard. And it sucks when so many of these organizations that have such huge scientific impact or public health impact, they're essentially appointed really nearly, it seems like by politicians.

They're really just politicians who happen to have a background in medicine, which I think that's something that's got a fucking change. Which is sometimes a tenuous background at best. Right. Like it's Navy, dude. Jeff, how do you feel about this Navy guy? The Secretary of the Navy getting on the fucking PA system

on the Roosevelt and lambasting the captain. He got everything that he fucking deserved. And did you read the reputation for the resume for this guy that he ended up in this incredibly powerful position? No. I want to say he was like a assistant helicopter pilot or something like that before this. I know he served. I didn't look into how deeply he served, but that was just a fucking dumb bonehead

of thing to do. And he had to know the second he started spouting his mouth out. And I don't think he did. I think, unfortunately, this is a situation of poor leadership filtering down throughout the country where people see, I don't want to name anybody, but they see a leader being bombastic and aggressive and blamey and fire and from the hip and you see leadership doing that and you think, oh, I guess I have a little bit of leeway to do that shit too. And nobody else does.

Only one person seems to be able to get away with it. And that dude should have known the second he opened his mouth, he was going to be writing a resignation letter within a week. And I hope that that admiral gets his job back. I read yesterday that they're thinking about reinstating him. I read that too. I hope that that Admiral gets his job back. I read yesterday that they're thinking about reinstating him. I read that too. I read that too. Yeah.

Also, I feel like I'm having a lot of popular opinions today. I have to say though, the military is kind of an autonomous organization. They do have the autonomy to run their own organization with oversight. And I have respect for that, Jeff, you were in it. I, as someone who's outside, I understand that there's a need for that. And I do have an issue with the leader on one of the most precious resources in our military, which is an aircraft carrier, notifying the rest of the world

that that aircraft carrier is essentially out of commission. There is a problem with doing that. I don't know if getting him and taking him out because he was trying to save his own sailors is the right thing, but there's a problem with doing that. You know, I don't know if, you know, getting him and taking him out because he's trying to save his own sailors is the right thing, but there's a problem with doing that. Yeah, I think that there's, there's a lot of timelines there that aren't very clear and I've read wildly differing reports on how that information was disseminated and who actually disseminated it and why. So I don't feel, I don't feel like I know the honest truth, but from everything that I've read,

it just seemed like an act of desperation to get the world to listen to the fact that he had a ship full of sick people, and nobody was taking it seriously, and he was trying to get anybody to pay attention and help him get those people help. It did seem to be. Is the impression that I got.

Yeah. And that he was at his wits end, and was like, nobody's fucking listening to me, and I got a couple thousand soldiers here that I got to, or, sorry, sorry, a seamen here that I have to take care of. And, and, and my wits end, you know? Like he is ultimately responsible for the lives of those people on that ship. And, you know, he broke protocol for sure, or somebody on that boat did. I don't know that it's super clear who did. But I mean, it was done with, with the desire of protecting human lives.

And it's, you know, boats are a huge risk for infectious diseases, regardless. You know, you know, JD went on a scuba trip last summer and like a couple of the kids got a staff infection. It's a huge concern on a closed environment like that. And, you know, in the early days, if you look at some of the posts from like data is beautiful on Reddit, when they show the growth of the disease, there were cruise ships, then in the early days, had so many more cases than entire countries.

And I'm sure the admiral was paying very close, is the admiral captain, captain of the, what was his official position? He's an admiral. He's an admirable. I think the admirable admiral, Is the Admiral Captain, Captain of the, what was his official position? He's an Admiral. He's an Admiral, Admiral. Admiral Admiral Admiral Admiral. I apologize to members of our United States Navy

for not understanding the command structure exactly, but I believe to command an aircraft carrier like that you're an Admiral or a rear Admiral. I'm not sure how the hierarchy there. Okay, dude, I was also amazed when I was reading about this that I mean, I knew aircraft carriers were massive. I also was curious, you know, when he was, when the other controversy was going on, like, how much of a risk that he put the United States, you know, security at risk, you know, by telling the world that this aircraft carrier was out of commission. I didn't realize we have as many aircraft carriers as the rest of the world combined.

I think we have more of the rest of the world combined, don't we? It's actually just under, it's actually just under like Australia has two that put it over the top, but I think I want to say we have somewhere in the neighborhood of like 16 and there's 34 in the world. So we have an astronomical amount of aircraft carriers. And I also was looking at this, the Roosevelt in particular, they talked about how in response to the outbreak, they went down to a skeleton crew on the aircraft carrier,

and the skeleton crew was 300 sailors, which is just, that's insane. It's like 3,000 people, it takes to run an aircraft carrier. And I think most of the people were left there to run the nuclear reactor. So we did a haunt or that's our ghost hunting show. For season two we did an episode where we investigated the USS Hornet which is a decommissioned aircraft carrier up in I think Alameda California is where it was.

And you talk about the size. I don't know how it's it's I remember, I remember being an S6 class aircraft carrier, but that doesn't mean anything to me. I don't know if that means it's a big one or a little one, but I think because it's so old it was on the smaller side, we were there for, I don't know, 10 or 12 hours, and I think we saw, yeah, you were there.

I think we saw 25% of that ship, maybe. Oh, if that, And I remember that room, like when you first walk in and you go to the helicopters and other vehicles, just sat in the big open giant room. That's one of the biggest rooms I've ever been in in my life. Like aside from convention center halls, and it floats.

I remember thinking that, cause I was looking for like a basketball hoop or something. And I remember thinking I could throw a basketball as hard as I could and it wouldn't hit the ceiling. Yeah, it was so fucking cool. When you were talking about the skeleton crew being 300 people, I wondered if one person could even pull that thing out of the dock. Like if you were just on your own in the boat, how long would it take you to get the ship

up and running and moving and if it even could be done by one person? Dude, I watched Brothers Below Deck, which is a shitty reality show about luxury yachts. And they have a crew of like 15 people and they can't get shit done at all. So, that thing's the size of a really nice Cadillac. So, no, I don't think one person could do it. Yeah, I just looked up for reference the Roosevelt, right? And their compliment, the ship's company is 3200, and the air wing is 2480. Wow.

Wow, that is a enormous amount of people at a huge vessel. That is insane. Have y'all ever been to the, a bit of a side, but have y'all ever been to the sub-reddit heavy seas? Have you ever seen that? No, I never heard of that one. I discovered it yesterday through a gift that somebody posted on a reddit of an oil tanker,

like bobbing in the ocean, dealing with waves. I saw that gift. And that was crazy. And so I ended up in the comments, and from the comments, I got linked into this heavy seas, which you should definitely check out. But there was one yesterday of a battleship, like somebody filming on a cruiser, or on an aircraft carrier, a battleship hitting waves, and the first 35% of that ship was totally underwater

when it would hit a wave, and then come back up and then go under again. It was the scariest, craziest thing I have ever seen. So if you were just out on the deck, you would just go on. You wouldn't be out on the deck. Not for very long. Yeah. Shit.

Yeah, no, you would be gone. That thing was getting maybe 30 feet underwater. It looked like at the point. And it was shaking it. I didn't give a fuck. The boat did not care, but it was like, it was fucking scary. And it's like, when you see a go underwater, your immediate concern is the boat's gonna sink,

but actually the big danger I think is being a person inside of that massive, massive vehicle or ship that vessel and being thrown around. Like you can see some of the things when you're in heavy waves and cruise ships and like the entire dining room is moving left to right, like just sliding back and forth. Those videos, there was one of those videos

on that sub-reddit last night and I was, it's not funny, but it was funny because I was like, it turned those people into soup by the end of it. They were just like, it was just like a stew of chairs and tables and like arms and legs of Kimbo. And it must have been the most terrifying thing in the world to watch or to be a part of,

but watching it, you know, online, it's fucking hilarious. It's interesting when the walls and the ceiling and the floor are so rigid, everything else, like the people on the tables and shit just become liquid in the big solid room. Yeah, that's the thing that Gav's always worried about that, you know, whenever we get in cars, Gav's way ahead of the curve of everyone has to buckle up including the people in the back seat, you know, just because he had done so many, but PSA's Gav in the UK

for traffic safety. It was some PSA's, but it was mainly just crash test filming. Just sitting there watching cars crash all day with dummies going flying everywhere. I was like, ugh. I can't believe that wasn't a log here for so long. But I feel like that's a fairly recent thing where they're like, oh yeah, the people in the back too.

But it seems like a no-brainer. Yeah. Yeah, I was watching all the, I've talked about that before. They little accelerometers and all the heads. And you'd watch like an infant-sized dummy just fly around the car and kill everyone. Doesn't take a lot. My mom was saying when I was a kid in the 70s, when I was a baby, like 75, 76, 77 maybe,

I, she would make a nest on the passenger side floorboard of blankets and pillows and just lay me in there because there weren't car seats yet. It's when you see the available. My, I would, I would always tell my parents that I could remember a car we had when I was really young. I don't remember how old I was. I must have been three or four by the time they sold it. It was a fiat.

And they would always tell me there's no way you remember that car you were way too young. And I'd be like, no, I remember. And I could describe the air conditioner controls. Like I know there were vertical switches that went this way in that, and the red and the blue for the hot and the cold air were over here. And my mom asked me, like, how is it that you remember that? And I said, well, I know, because one time I went flying at the dashboard

when you slammed at the brakes and I hit my face on it. So I remember that. I remember very clearly what it looked like. A lot of some kids that are frightened by monsters in the dock. You got this seed in memory of an air conditioning control unit. How do I remember it? I've got high heat written backwards on my forehead, standing up for my entire, for 40 years in my life.

I remember it in my leg in the fucking mirror. You know what you don't see anymore? That was kind of a thing for like late 80s, early 90s. Was automatic seat belts that would like Go forward on a little track. You remember those? Yeah, yeah, they just I haven't seen anything like that in years or even they were there were some cars where The seat belts were attached to the door so that when you open it they would just they would just go out with door And then you get out of the car. What are you talking about?

No, yeah, yeah. Anyone else remember that? Yeah, I think people just realized that it was just another part on the car that was gonna break. There's no actual upside to having that. Other than it's like, eventually in five years you're gonna have to pay you to replace the fucking motor

that operates your seat belt. And you're gonna have to pay it because you can't not have a working seat belt. Yeah. Or the other thing that would happen was when you'd be in someone's car and you didn't realize it had them or you forgot, you would open the door and go to get out

and the seat belt would move forward and wrap around your neck. Like you would wrap around it from behind and choke you out. But yeah, it just seemed like a bad design. But I was looking up here, Volvo was the group that made the three-point harness, the classic seat belt now. And I remember the story that made the three-point harness, the classic seatbelt now.

And I remember the story that when they invented the seatbelt, they refused to patent it because they wanted to give it to the world for better vehicle safety. But I had a feeling that was more recent than it was. It was actually back in 1959. I don't think Volvo was being that old of a company, but yeah, I guess they'd been around a while. Good for them.

Yeah, it was August 13th, 1959. So you were born. The year I was born, yeah. See, belts weren't even mandatory at that point, I don't think. Oh, no, Volvo's always been ahead of the curve on that unsafety stuff, right? Yeah, no, Seapolts weren't mandatory

until later in the 60s, right, Gus? Because both of our cars, I think, didn't have them, and they weren't required to, because they were built before the requirement. I think my truck had them installed by the factory, but they were an option. Like, whoever originally bought that pickup had to pay for the seatbelt option.

And that was in 60-Fade. Right, so I'll get the Z-Bart coding in seatbelts, please. That's interesting. So I went to go look up when was mandatory use of seat belts mandated in Texas, because I remember that in my lifetime when it became a findable offense

that you weren't wearing your seat belt. You used to be able to drink in the car, I remember that. I'm, that was when I first moved to Texas, that was mid 80s, yeah, you could drink in the car, you couldn't be drunk, but you could drink. Yeah. Gus, you and I worked with a dude that tell a network who drank in his car every day.

And he wasn't an alcoholic or anything. He was a nice guy. We were friends with him. I don't want to say his name. But he was, I never got in the car with that dude. He didn't have a loan star in his hand. Yeah, I remember one for the road. Mm-hmm.

I can't see when this law was, but I want to say it was late is like 1990, Gus. Jeff, do you remember when they mandated the law for seatbelt in Texas maybe it was more of an enforcement thing I wasn't in Texas at that point so do you think you get pulled over for not wearing a seatbelt if you had a t-shirt lengths to not wear their seatbelt. Americans are fucking- Yeah, you're dumb or nude.

You- You never wear your seatbelt. What do you mean I wear my seatbelt? How do you- Dude, the fastest way to make people wear seatbelts in America is to make them illegal. Well, yeah, right? And then you tell them, yeah, you're not allowed to wear it. People wear seatbelts in the grocery store.

That just permanently affects them to them. Like, fuck you, you're not taking will wear seatbelts in the grocery store. That is permanently affects them to them. Like, fuck you, you're not taking away my seatbelts. There's America talking about that with the COVID thing, was when they were, and Gus, you caught some heat for talking about Corona, I know in the early days when the information was still like, it was still in development, people were trying to figure

out what the hell's going on. It's really easy to go back and look at a video like that with, you know, the hindsight. Hindsight is 2020. Also, it's not really because the hindsight today is not going to be the hindsight we have in six months either. This is a rapidly evolving landscape. But you and I were discussing this like late January. I went back and looked at it earlier. I think my first text to you was in January, January 20th. It's funny. I just scrolled back and looked at it. Yep, it was January 20th.

And I was talking to Gus about it. And it's funny, I feel a little guilty about that because me not being on the podcast, I feel like you and I were having the debate back and forth about the seriousness of it, but me not being on the podcast is like, you were giving that one half of the debate without me being there to do it.

That's part of the problem with having conversations with your friends and then being on air with or without them is that, you know, you already kind of have these established conversations that are going on and then you're just kind of picking them up where they left off. So really what we're saying is Gavin, it's your fault. It's your fault.

That makes sense. I'm not saying it was a big deal. What do you, Bernie, you asked this question in the first two minutes of the podcast, but we got sidetracked. What do you do in to pass the time at home? What are you, Bernie, you asked this question in the first two minutes of the podcast, but we got sidetracked. What do you do into past the time at home? What are you watching? Did you pick up any new hobbies?

Are you one of those people that decided to learn how to juggle or do a skill? Drugs. Jeff, that's what I was getting at. Oh, just the drugs. It's just drugs. You know, no, it's, I've been focusing mainly on writing. I got a couple different writing projects I've been focusing mainly on writing. I got a couple different writing projects

I've been talking about with our new CEO Jordan Levin. Some of them are productions, but some of them are, well, I don't know how to put this. I'm in a phase right now where I've worked in collaborative groups for a really long time and it's like, I feel like I wanna just work on stuff by myself for a little while. So I've been doing that and there's some stuff I'm writing, some fiction stuff, there's Jeff,

there's a project you've always wanted me to work on that I'm finally done. God, I fucking, I hope you do, man. And I love that story and that idea. It's probably my favorite thing in, favorite idea to come up in the history of the company. I don't want to oversell it here. Totally are. But I would love to work, I would love to, A, watch it or read it or whatever, but I would also just love to be involved with it someday. It's a really cool idea. And it's one of those things I realized

that I was punting a lot of stuff that I, ideas that I had, because they weren't ready to be turned into filmed productions, you know, or, you know. Or they just weren't ready. Sometimes an idea takes, sometimes an idea takes five or six years to bake, just in the back of your head or however long, you know, or, you know, or they just were ready. Sometimes an idea takes, sometimes an idea takes five or six years to bake, it just in the back of your head or however long, you know. But it's like I'm kind of enjoying the freedom of being able to write without having the

burden of how does this end up on a screen somewhere, you know. So I'm just, I'm taking that approach. And the other thing I'm working on is a couple of them, but there's one that there's a nonfiction thing writing thing that I'm working on that has probably been the thing that people have asked me most about for years and years and years and years. So I'm working on that now too. So some fiction stuff and some non-fiction stuff. And then enjoying having a now seven month old baby, it's weird because I was all done with paternity leave and then all of a sudden we were moving into work from home phase. Have you been spilling more seed than usual?

Yeah, but to be fair, I found my preferred brand of tofu Gavin, so I'm really excited these days. Listen, you joke, but it was serious business for a week to be there. It was a real tough, real tough job. Guys, we don't have any sponsors on this. What is your preferred brand of tofu? Do you want to say or you worried it's going to run out of tofu? Do you wanna say or you worried it's gonna run out of stock?

I know what the, I think it's called Wildwood. It's funny, I did ask him on a podcast a while back and he said he didn't wanna say, because he didn't wanna create a run on the store. Let me ask you a question, Gus, and I know I asked this before and I can't remember what level of firmness do you like in your tofu? I was just about to ask that

because I'm on the wildwood website right now. Either normally extra, I think extra firm. Extra firm, yeah. What would you do with your food? What's the measurement? I have no idea. It's like the decibel's conversation. It's like how you test to see if a steak is done.

Oh, like you can squeeze a piece of your hand. Well maybe like, yeah, you just think it's how far your finger goes into the tofu when you push it. I'm gonna look up if there's like an actual there is definition This if there's like an actual scientific measurement for that. I'll say there's a huge fucking there's a huge Fucking difference in in the consistency and like when you eat tofu from oh yeah From absolutely like firm to soft. I feel like I don't know enough units like what is the measurement unit of like hardness Amush it's too much is that's what it is What is the measurement unit of like, hardness,

a mush. It's two mushes. That's what it is. Guys, it's extra firm, so it's 0.3 mush. That's right. That's right. It's how many atmospheres of pressure you would have to apply in order to mush it. In a vacuum.

In a vacuum on earth. How many days a week do you eat tofu, guess? Um, I don't know, two, maybe, two, two, three. Have you ever made it? Made it? No, I'm not a maniac. I'm not living in a shack in the woods. For minted your own edamame, I guess.

Or a soil, whatever. Have you, do you eat other stuff like tempera or like those other kind of tofu? Yeah, you mean a tempé and satan? Tempe and satan, yeah. Yeah, of course. I had satan once, years and years and years ago, it was one of the grossest things I ever ate in my life.

It's actually really good. There's a food truck near the studio that I used to eat at when we used to go to work. That does a satan chicken sandwich, like fake chicken. That's actually excellent. To be fair, I ate it when I was vegan in 1999 or 2000 or whatever the fuck, 2003 maybe when I was vegan. Jeff was vegan. Yeah. And so that was like the dark ages of veganism.

Oh yeah, I can't imagine doing it back then. I'm actually coming up this Sunday will be six months that I've been doing it. Dude, I'm so happy for you and I I'm so proud of you. Like, congratulations. Thanks. I keep having nightmares, though. I had a nightmare the other night that we were filming something at work, and there was a camera crew felving us around, and we were supposed to be eating food, and I started eating a bacon cheeseburger, and about halfway through it, I was like, what am I doing? And I woke up, I get a cold sweat thinking that I was eating a bacon cheeseburger and about halfway through it, I was like, what am I doing? And I woke up like in a cold sweat thinking that I was eating

a bacon cheeseburger. I have those dreams at least twice a week about alcohol. We're like, I'm in a party and somebody hands me a soda and then I start drinking it and I realize it tastes weird and then I realize there was like whiskey in it or whatever and I'm like, and then it's like, I wake up in a sweat. I'm like, oh fuck, I almost blew it. I almost ruined it.

Yeah, it's weird how like even that stays in the back of your mind. Like you just have something that would possibly happen, but still like in your subconscious, you still worried about it. Yeah, absolutely. And I haven't, like my goal from, I feel like I need to clarify this. My goal from the beginning was never to do this for this long.

My goal was to just reduce meat consumption. And then you've enjoyed it, right? You've found out that it's, yeah. There is going to be a point at which I'm going to break the streak. It's going to happen inevitably. But I don't know. I just don't know where that's going to be right now. You look at so sick.

I imagine when you do that, because once you have meat, it's got to be a small amount, otherwise out of the magic, it's so sick. I don't know. Here's how I would like you to break your streak. I would like to come to you and tell you I'm moving away in two weeks and that I want I want to eat it all my favorite restaurants in Austin before I go and I want you to go with me and I don't want you to ruin it by being vegan. Well, it was different back then. That's how I got that's how I got off the vegan train. Oh, and then why didn't you get back on?

Was that my fault too? Because it's fucking bacon, dude. It was delicious. Because I ate it. I ate a burger at Casino, El Camino, and that was it. How long were you vegan, though, Jeff? Oh, a couple months, like three or four months. It wasn't long.

Not even as long as Gus, at this point. You know, the sober is, that's the longest I've ever seen you do anything. Like, that's, it's been incredible. How long have you been sober now? Oh, what month is this April? Uh, three years and like 40 days maybe. Wow. That's amazing.

And you do it entirely on your own, right? Like, you're not, you're not going to AA, you're telling the other stuff. Yeah. Yeah, no, I'm not. no, that wouldn't work for me. And that's not, I don't decry that. I mean, my cousin's husband has been in AA for like 15 years and goes twice a week still and it does wonderful things for him.

And I've met a lot of people in the program as they call it, who it's radically changed their lives. And more power to those people, if that's the way you need to get sober. But I don't think that was the path for me. I needed to do it on my own. I had to be one of those, I mean, it's a long drawn out story probably. But it was one of the things I just, I had to kind of sink or swim on my own. I'm not good at accepting or asking for help from other people.

Well, they have achievements. I mean, they do. Seriously, that's the system. It's like collectibles, yeah. I'm not good at accepting or asking for help from other people. Well, they have achievements. I mean, it happens. Seriously, that's a system. It's like collectibles. Yeah, they understood that before anybody else did just about. Yeah. If they would name one of those achievements after me,

that's been the next three years trying to get it. You're really good at streaks, I think, about when you were fasting at one time. And I was like, man, when I think of long streaks, I think of, I think of Jeff. Right. Talk to me in two and a half years when you've hit your three-year mark on the big as a buddy.

Guys, I gotta say, I'm proud of you too. I'd say, I shocking to me and I express that it's shocking to me, but I think it's incredible. Are you doing it for climate reasons? You said you wanna reduce your meat consumption. Is that for cruelty or is that for climate reasons? No, no, no, no. So it was really a stupid way that it came about, right?

I watched this documentary about it on Netflix, and after the documentary was done, I didn't particularly like the documentary, I didn't think it was well done, but I thought, oh, I'm gonna try this just for the hell of it, just to see. And it was easier than I thought. So I thought, it all became about a streak.

It was like, I did a day, I did a weekend, I did a week. And it's like, okay, well, let's just see how long it keeps going. And I think that's all it is at this point. It's like, I don't want to break the streak. Challenge yourself, I get that. Absolutely. You should have quit on an important day, like a national meat eaters day or something.

I realized the other day. Well, I realized that this year, I don't know why, it never cost my mind. I quit drinking on St. Patrick's Day, not on purpose, not intentionally at all, but it just happened to have been St. Patrick's Day. And so now every year, I'm like, oh, right. Well, I stopped on October 19th, which is National New Friends Day.

They know. Perfect. So all the animals you're not eating and are your new friends. Right, it's either that or world pediatric bone and joint day. I'm gonna go with How many friends? Have you figured out how many animals are alive now because you don't eat meat? Oh, man. That's a good question millions I'm sure I used to eat so much beef so much time to eat one cow

I think I think you probably have got like one or two cows But do you think if if Gus was doing it for the animal cruelty and preservation of animals thing, do you think you would eat double meat to counteract it? No, I mean, I don't reason I asked that is we've never really talked about the cruelty part of it. I do think that there's a point to be made there where, you know, a lot of the racist stuff I see, as I say, we talked about Trump calling it the Chinese flu,

which I don't think is stating the origin of something and keeping that on record as to what the origin of a disease. I think that is important, but I do think the byproducts of that, especially with some of the base, the fulsome, that turns it into actual harassment that happens or even attacks and assaults that happen, that's all. But he knows his base, that's the reason. Yeah, it is true. It is true, that's horrible. Yeah, but he knows his base.

That's the part. Yeah, it is true. He's worth you signaling. It's, you know, I get that. But it's, you know, it's part of the conversation where this whole started. Some of the racist stuff that I've seen is the whole like Bat's soup discussion,

which, you know, people want to say and like, memify everything and talk about Bat's soup and like, talk about the way that the Chinese diet is. And it's like, you know, the stuff we have is not great either. And it's funny, anytime you point it out, it's like they need to stop having what markets? They need to stop eating wildlife, like pangolins and bats. It's like, yeah, it's easy to say

when you're eating a chicken nugget that's the combined flesh of like a thousand different birds raised in a cramped factory, you know? That's not exactly, yeah, that's not exactly the best cuisine either. For healthiness. The one that bothers me is supposedly the finest cuisine is French cuisine, which includes things like snails and fat and goose liver.

It's for babies. That's fancy, expensive, high-end food versus... That doesn't sound any better if you told... If I dug up my garden and gave someone a snail, anyone would turn their nose up at that. Right. My point is, it's just, it's really easy to point your finger at and look down your nose at other people's what they consider to be food or what they eat.

It's really easy to do that, but when you turn that lens on yourself, it's not that easy. Or just other cultures in general, like Gus, we just talking about France You have eaten horse and you said horse sashimi was the best thing you'd ever eaten in your entire life It was delicious super culturally inappropriate to do in America But very common in France very common in Japan right and other Markets yeah, absolutely. Oh, by the way. I looked it up

I found a website that calculates how many animals are alive because I don't I didn't eat them It's a hundred and eighty get out of here. Well, I didn't eat them, it's 180. Get out of here! Well I assume it counts like... It's too much counts like chickens and stuff like that. No yeah! If only we hadn't burned 500 million to death in Australia. Jeez. You know it's funny, I don't know if you guys

had the same reaction that I did, but one of the first times I went to Australia our host down there, Eric Cherry. He took us out and one of the things he took us out to do was to try kangaroo to eat kangaroo. And remember when he said that to me, I was like, can you eat kangaroos? Is that legal to do here?

I just struck me as like, I thought for some reason that would be just not a protected species, but one of those culturally protected species. Like it's, I don't think it's illegal to eat dog in the US, right? You just would never do that. I think it would. I mean it's illegal to eat dog in the US, right? You just would never do that It is illegal to sell dog meat. What do you mean? So you just sell people dog bones and they grow their own dogs? Gabi? I mean is it every animal meat if you sell an animal you're selling the meat with it

It's the way there's not you choose to eat it Okay Good to go down to the shelf if it didn't I I googled it. Oh yeah, I did too. Go ahead. On December 20th, 2018, the Federal Dog and Cat Meat Trade Prohibition Act was signed into law as a part of the 2018 Farm Bill. It is now illegal to slaughter a dog or cat for food in the US with the exceptions of certain Native American rituals.

I don't know what those are. I just think the idea of you went to like a breeder to buy, you know, a German short-haired pointer. And I think, we gotta send you a separate invoice for the bones and a separate invoice for the meat because we can't sell them. We gotta do it separately. Because there's some law that says we're not allowed to sell animal meat.

So we're technically only charging you for the bones in the hair. It's like how we were rigging a cell season one of Red vs. Blue, we were given away the hair. It's like how we were rigging a cell season one of Red vs. Blue. We were given away the DVD. Right. We're not selling you a DVD. It's totally legal.

That holds up in a portal. Free gift. And free gift. Got so done. You're buying super sponsorship. So naive. And that goes back to that secretary and the Navy guy is that he went down to chastise this admiral to his crew who was exceptionally

loyal to him. Had he not seen the video where the people were the standing ovation where they were calling him like a god among men and saying that that was a real leader and like why would he think that would fly there. I think that's why he went down there dude. He went down there too because they were mad that the sailors did that and made them look bad. So I think that was a huge motivation for it.

And then he gets on there and says, in the modern era of information or whatever, it's paraphrasing, I'm getting it wrong, I'm sure, but he said that he was stupid and naive to do that. It's like, well, you're stupid and naive to think that somebody's not recording this right fucking now. You know? I just want to clarify, he's a captain. Thank you. I think he is a captain.

He was a captain? Okay. Yes. Okay. Okay. So a captain of an aircraft carrier. That is, I can't imagine the amount of work and time and dedication it would take to get in a career path where you end up as the captain of a US aircraft carrier. That's just- Probably takes most of a career to get there.

I would, obviously I was way off on the rankings there. I had no fucking cloud. I'm fortunate I was in the army, the real military, but I didn't get to go swimming for four years, like some people. I'm like, I'm gonna flex you right there. Get a mad about me. No, that's just like, and it's just like old school army navy hate each other. It's dumb. Makes no sense. They're all laying their lives down for America. But probably 18 to 20 years to get into a position like that, I would think. It's one of only 34 in the world.

And that's after four years of military school at the Naval Academy minimum. That's after the, I'm assuming there's something similar to, in the Army, we have like a master's program called the Army War College. So I'm assuming that there's something similar in the Navy that they have to go through that's probably two or three years as well

It's a it's the culmination of a couple decades worth of really hard work. He has been in 28 years. You imagine the responsibility of that Of all those people it's crazy. Can't even imagine can't even imagine, you know, and I mean There's Jeff. There's a lot of people in the military There's a lot of casualties and deaths that happen, not related to battlefield, just because you have been a dangerous environment and just maintaining a lot of young people

in that environment. You have a lot of deaths, right? It's a huge responsibility, even when there's not bullets flying through the air. Yeah, it's terrible and heartbreaking, but like even when I was in the army, in public affairs and journalism, I would go to this place called the National Training Center

in Fort Irwin, California, which was where, uh, when I was in the first Calvary Division, that's where we would go to do our desert training to get ready for, uh, to go to the Middle East, uh, which I also went to a few times. But, um, every time I would go to the, in T.C. as they call it, uh, I would have to prep because I would know that two or three soldiers were gonna die in training, and I would have to the NTC, as they call it, I would have to prep because I would know

that two or three soldiers were gonna die in training and I would have to deal with that. And it was just like, it sucks. It's not acceptable, you know? But I don't want you to think that, because when I was in Kuwait one time, I don't know if I ever told you this story, but when I was in Kuwait one time,

I got a little bit of trouble for taking some photos of the Kuwaiti military they had. They were driving, I believe it was a paladin, or some kind of a howitzer, a man out of a paladin. And that's the howitzer's like an artillery tank, if you don't know. And that's got a very, very long barrel

which you can use it super useful. You can stand soldiers on it with a camera and raise it up, and then you can film the first episode of Reverse's Blue that way. Uh, but I saw we were leaving a training exercise and the Kuwaiti military, a bunch of them drove by, and there were like, each one had like five dudes hanging on it, like the guy riding the bomb at the end

of Dr. Strangelove, just like hanging on at the edge, like whooping and hollering, and my, the kernel, whoever I was with, turned to the liaison from the Kuwaiti military and said, you can't do that. That's, that's, that's, that's, that you're gonna get training casualties. People could get hurt.

And he goes, 10% training casualty is accepted. It's fine. And it's like, other military, I guess, they're just like, you know, 10% of the people can die of training. It's cool. That's what he said. He may have been talking out of his ass. And it was 1995, but that is what he said. And I was just like, I remember just laughing on myself

going like, Jesus Christ. Wow, that's crazy. God, it's just, it's, and here you talk about this stuff, Jeff, it's like, it does feel like for a lot of people, the military and how the military operates, it feels like such a, it's like a foreign world, you know, that we're so detached from. But everything that's happened in the last few months

with public health and the coronavirus, it's just like you never know how fast the world is gonna change. I read this story about, Gus, did you see this? You have your new black box down podcast is out. I think today as we're recording this, right? Search for it, where you get podcasts?

First episode's out now. Did you read this story about the Russian jet that flew within 25 feet of the US spy plane? I did. Over the Mediterranean? That's fucking insane. It's like, we have Russian jets, military jets, buzzing our military jets.

China is testing nuclear devices, you know, right now. It's just fucking crazy, man. Just how the good... I mean, it's not that crazy. I mean, they did that at the beginning of Top Gun, and that was in the 80s. concerned about. It's amazing what people spend their time being concerned about. Like, they look past all the obvious stuff that's a problem in the world and they try to find these like ridiculously obscure conspiracy

theories like with the wait till there's a vaccine for COVID and 25% of the population doesn't want to take it for not a legitimate science reason, but just for some random shit, I was looking at Tom Hanks's posts when he was in Australia and was tested positive for COVID. There was a whole deep conspiracy about one of the pictures that he took with his wife that there was a bar code on the door, on the corner of the door frame. And there was this deep conspiracy about what that bar code meant. And Tom Hanks was part of the deep state. And he was in a bunker somewhere. And he

was, you know, going to get COVID and they were going to show that he recovered from it. So the government would try to fool people into thinking you're gonna recover from this and he's actually doesn't have it and he's hiding in a bunker cause it's gonna kill everybody. And it's just like holy cow. And that led into a whole thing when I was looking at his replies on Twitter.

Anytime he posts anything, it's just a fucking litany of just crazy people talking about stuff that they see as like absolute truth. Do you know what a Drenacrome is? Does anybody know what that is? Oh no, oh no, here we go. Dude, I felt on a rabbit hole with that stuff. I, Gus, it's like, we have an actual pandemic

ripping across the globe and people are like, it's basically, if I can summarize it, Gavin, it's essentially that there's a new world order that operates through Hollywood, where everyone is in a satanic pedophile ring to harvest adrenaline from tortured children to be immortal. And that's not hyperbole. It's like, must-to-think.

Yeah, it's nuts. It's really, and it's not hyperbole. Musta's Inc. Yeah, it's nuts. It's really, and it's crazy stuff. And supposedly, well, what is it that there's video of Hillary Clinton torturing someone to extract adrenaline? You're the saddest part about that to me is how much legitimate wasted creativity people spend on that shit.

Like, we should have better TV and books and movies. If people are that creative and able to come up with that, like wildly ludicrous scenarios, why can't they focus that energy towards something entertaining? Right. In the right way. It's entertaining. It's just the entertaining in the wrong way, it's damaging.

Like, we should give whoever came up with that, just give him a fucking pilot with Fox. I think it's group Jeff. It's like it's like almost like a meme You can't ever trace it back to one thing like you think like there'd be one post of like oh this is where this started This is the person who drew the troll face or whatever we've talked about this before it's some of these things It's just kind of get lost to the mass collective intellectual effort of making entertainment for ourselves And I think I think this kind of thing falls into that. The other thing too is, people are going after Bill Gates, Bill Gates spending billions of dollars to trial seven different vaccines,

knowing that six of them are going to be waste time. The majority of the money spent will be wasted. And he said that he knows that, but it'll make the candidate vaccine that we actually end up could end up using. It'll make it that much faster. So it's worth burning all this money to have this wasted effort that he knows just to eliminate them as possibility.

So the other one will be like four or five months faster. And there's a whole thing about his liability of Dr. Fauci. They're skipping animal trials and things like that, which we'll see. That'll be a whole thing we'll talk about. When the vaccine comes out, people want to take it because they skipped animal trials, which is actually, I think, a legitimate scientific

discussion, but once it gets into the hands of everyone else, we'll see what happens. But then, in the meantime, there's a whole portion of the online population that's saying that Bill Gates wants to make a vaccine to inject us with nanobots So that the 5G towers can activate them and he can control us and it's like what in what world does that even make sense that a guy who's got 70 billion dollars wants to control some housewife and Kansas

What control could he possibly have a by who by A guy who by the way was already at the time that he retired probably the most influential and important person in the world in business at least, who has retired to pursue philanthropic endeavors and to make the world a better place. Like he gets up every day and says, how do I take the money I earned and try to make the world better through it?

You know, it's so insulting. If Bill Gates controlled every aspect of my life, how would that benefit Bill Gates? Like what would he get out of that? Right? I mean, it's like, if you're a dude who's like, you know, on, you know, welfare in a trailer park in the middle of Oklahoma, if you're that guy,

and you're like screaming about control and freedom and all that stuff, it's like, why does Bill Gates get by controlling you? You know, it is this thing of... I was gonna say, do you think it's like a self-importance? Like everyone thinks that they're so important to the world that obviously that someone would want to have control of that.

Maybe he wants more people to buy a Zoom. Yeah, and it's like, what is the control that he would gain that he doesn't already have by having 70 Billion dollars. He's almost like that amount of money. He can literally do just about anything You know if he do by Amazon also asshole He doesn't he already controls you. He's you've got windows installed on your fucking desktop in your trailer in Oklahoma or wherever He's already got access to everything. Right.

The most ubiquitous operating system in the world, he's it's everywhere. Right. And it's like, what is, I just don't get it. It obscures the real conversation. Your refrigerator runs off of fucking windows probably at this point. Exactly. Yeah. It's frustrating to me to read it because, you know, I mean, there are other issues.

Like there are things to look at with 5G that we should look at. And instead of we're doing this stuff, you know, it's just like, then I read that people are burning 5G towers down in the UK. Or you're burning them down. Sounds right? It's a particular perverse, I get it. Pleasure is not the right word because it makes me mad. But you know, like, sometimes you read stuff just because you want to be mad

or it makes you mad and you just you get kind of addicted to it I read bright bar every day Oh my god. I read the comments on bright bar every day to kind of get a I read drudge and bright and a bunch of sites that I don't necessarily agree with But I read them because I want to get a full picture of the spectrum of lunacy in this country and Every single day there's a story George George Soros donated $136 million to coronavirus research or George Clooney, only George's. George Clooney donates $10 million

of fucking vodka money or tequila money to do whatever it is. And you just go right to the comments and then just watch how people turn somebody like Bill Gates or whoever or Alissa Milano donating millions of dollars into a negative. Like, these are people that are actually trying to affect change and to take some of the fruits of their labor and the benefit of getting to be successful and then filtering that back into trying to make

the world better for all of us. And people relish the idea, can't, like, tripping over each other to get online and to tear them down for doing it. While they're trying to save your dipshit, like, uneducated ass from coronavirus. Or there's a billionaire who's doing nothing, and it's just sitting like, there's seven other billionaires who are sitting there doing absolutely nothing, and, you know, someone will do anything about, or bragging about how successful they are. Right. There's seven other billionaires who are sitting there and doing absolutely nothing. And someone will tell me, they're bragging about,

or bragging about how successful they are. Right, right. Like Hobby Lobby, or making their employees go to work, you know? Yeah. And calling their business essential because people need to go to Hobby Lobby, I guess, as an essential thing.

And Hobby Lobby's gonna go, Hobby Lobby's fucked. And I mean, they were probably fucked regardless. And I don't understand the motivations behind like it may have been, who knows why, they did what they did. But boy, that wasn't a good look for them. GameStop.

That's another example from our world, right? Yeah. Telling people that GameStop is essential because they have delivered doom. It's just desperation. It's desperation. Yeah. How desperate?

I mean, what are you getting another two months, three months? I mean, it's one of the, we're listening over my career on this pond and podcast at Rochet. One of the things I can say that I've indicated on is the fact that I was saying the world is gonna go digital. It's gonna happen. Digital distribution is a thing. And I got fucking raked over the coals every time I said that

because people needed their discs. And it's like, how can you not see that? This is the way this is what's gonna, gonna go. By the way only were you right it happened way faster than I then I think even I thought it would really I it's I I looked up one day and then everything I owned was digital and I didn't expect it like it happened It felt like it happened overnight. Well, you think that was fast Just wait until 5G gets here and all those things come alive and attack you Once again activated by the signal. I just feel like I remember there was conversations like, we'll never have a day one digital release.

And then two days later, I didn't own a DVD or a disk in my house. I will say this, we talk about stuff over the course of the podcast we've made over now more than a decade. Got how many decades has it been? Three decades, three decades. Is I am grateful that I've learned to look for certain markers for when I should pay attention to something or when I shouldn't.

And all I gotta say is like these protests that happen in Michigan where people were trying to end the lockdown and fight for freedom and all that is thank God for the V for finedetamask is still out there because if I see that and crowd of people I'm like I cannot pay attention to this. I can let I can let this go. There's a dude in a guy flocks mask I cannot pay attention to this. This is great. I can go look at something else

Doesn't Warner Brothers earn a commission every time one of those masks is sold Overthrowing society and burning it all down but giving two bucks every time one of those masks is sold, like I was just talking about over throwing society and burning it all down, but giving two bucks to AT&T, AT&T, right? Just, God, it's just so ridiculous. I couldn't believe when I saw that, and somebody was wearing one of those. And it's like, you've gotta be kidding me.

But the thing about the conspiracy theory thing to me is, when people go out of their way to look for numerology or they look for etymology or symbology. And this is what this means and everything. It's like there's stuff that it allows people to operate in broad daylight in public view and do things like, you know, take funds and pay it, like give a $55 million no bid contract for masks to a bankrupt company. It's like, it allows those people to do those things in plain sight and there's no,

there's no weight to it. There's no justice for that, you know? It's like, they can do those things because everyone's busy with all this other shit that there's no scientific basis for it all. When, meanwhile, people are doing stuff in broad daylight and nobody cares. That's what's so frustrating about it to me.

Yeah. 5G activated vaccine. I mean, it's just like, what in the world? And the problem is occasionally, that's what it talks about. Occasionally, one of these things turns out to be right. You know, it's like, that's the tough part. Well, that's how we felt about this whole coronavirus,

this whole COVID thing. I felt thing. I felt like we'd been here with SARS and H1N1 and we, yeah, Ebola, like the hype and the fear had been stoked before. I was like, oh, in my mind, I was like, this is going to be another one of those. And guess what? It wasn't. Yeah. And it runs both ways, Gus, too, because I also wasn't saying stuff publicly, because I had already been through the cycle so many times of saying, hey, this could be a problem, and people telling me shut up, you know, this is your an idiot, your conspiracy theorist or a prepper or something like that. I didn't really, I was watching COVID very quietly and private, and I think all of you can say, like, I was talking to you guys privately, saying almost nothing publicly about it.

But I was talking to you about like financial stuff, talking about preparation stuff. I've been talking to you about COVID for probably three weeks before I talked to any other person about it, except for maybe Gus. Yeah, but I feel bad now, because I felt like I should have said more stuff publicly. I made a Twitter post in mid-January,

like the 22nd I think I said just saying, hey, if you're not paying attention to Wuhan, maybe you should start paying attention to Wuhan. But I was paying pretty close attention to it. And it's like, I'm glad I have a prep kit where I planned for stuff that I didn't think whatever actually really happened, but just in case, I'd rather have it now pay for it in dollars today

versus when I need to have it in, I can't get it. And I had to pay $4.00 that are like, you know, like a hundred bucks for a N95 mask or something. Are you, are you gonna build out your toilet paper stock pile as part of that? Dude, I mean, that's crazy. That started in Australia and just spread across the globe and that why are people buying toilet paper?

It's like what? You're still, like, you still go to the store and they're still science-y, like only take one. Like what the fuck is going on? It's crazy. And I went in late January, I did a run and bought stuff like disinfectant spray, hand sanitizer, and masks. And in late January, you could not get masks

because they were being bought by people and then shipped to mainland China. There's a lot of people here that have relatives in China. They were already starting to disappear. They were gone from every online store. You could only go to like CVS's or Walgreens and things. And I was just, you know, why toilet paper? It's like there's so many things the world is telling you

you're going to need by those things. I bought some stuff that was, you know, it would seem like crazy stuff to buy, but it was like, it was clear the world was headed in that direction. So, I regret not saying more about it. Have any of you come close to running out of toilet paper in this crisis at any point?

No. Are you a toilet paper hoarder? I bought 200 rolls as a joke. Well, you're situations a little different for sure. I have what I consider to be a normal amount of toilet paper in my house, and I have yet to run out of it. Granted, I have the benefit of having a total

washlet E350, which is the softest of my heinous clean every day of my life. But I don't know, like maybe 15 rolls of toilet paper in my house when this whole thing started. I just bought toilet paper the other day. I bought four rolls just because it was the first time I've seen toilet paper on a shelf at a grocery store. I was a target.

And I thought, oh, just buy some just because it's here and because I might be running low. And so I just bought a little pack of four. But yeah, I haven't even come close to running out that I know of. Jeff, I think you were off the podcast when we had this revelation, but we realized years ago that in the bathroom, half the world sits down on the toilet to wipe their butt,

and half the world stands up to wipe their butt, and the one half does not know that the other half of the world exists. And any time that comes up, people freak out, they're like, you stand up to wipe your butt. What does that mean? What I've learned in this is that the way that people use toilet paper

is incredibly varied. I saw a reddit thread where people were talking about the toilet paper thing and why are people buying so much? I have five rolls that's gonna last me two months. And the other people were like, that's gonna last me like a week, five rolls. I go through like a roll a day. And people like, how much are you shitting?

It's like, well, I use 20, about 20 to 25 squares every time I wipe. Oh my god. And people are like, are you insane? Are you insane? And then other people were like, is that insane? That's exactly what I do too. My ass would be bleeding. If I wiped my ass hole that, I'd be like digging a hole to China.

I'd wipe through the front. No, no, you're misunderstanding It's 25 squares a wipe. They wrap their hand in toilet paper 25 squares wipe that goes down the toilet then they do another 20 and then wipe again I we need a class on this we do people like a boxers glove every time you You don't you don't learn it. There's no consistent teaching. Not true. Wipe in your ass.

What do you mean? In the army, they will make you watch a video on it. What's your appropriate amount then? According to the army, what's the appropriate amount? I don't remember. Damn it. There's like three wipes or something. What's your minimum square wipe?

I've settled in to write these days. I'm comfortable with four. Yeah, I'm about four. Well, to be fair, Gus is vegan now. So he cleans himself like a cat. He just wants to. Most of it. Most of mine too, it's like,

it's how long do I want to sit on the dryer before I stand up? A lot of my toilet paper consumption, honestly, at this point goes to drying off soggy balls because I have got my spray up too high or whatever, where like, I don't know if I was having this conversation with Michael the other day, because he has a Ben A toilet too.

I don't know if you guys have them, but it's, I said my balls just, I'm getting wetter and wetter, I gotta do something about my, maybe I'm oscillating too hard, I don't know. They're just hanging lower. It's a whole thing. Do you have it set for a woman?

No, I have it set for a man. And I even moved it back a little bit further So now I have to like kind of position more to get my but hold right over the water But yeah, I don't know maybe it's because I'm old and my balls hanging too low. Do you shave shave my balls? Yeah Like yeah, like once every Very rarely but a couple think maybe I'm once every weeks, shave it down a little bit. Would you benefit from a small vent that just blew air to swing your testicles slightly forward of the jet? Well, the toilet already blows hot air.

It's just a matter of how long do you want to sit on a toilet getting your asshole blow dried before he stands up? You always have that kind of time. I'd be in there right now. I've noticed that most of my toilet paper consumption now is it's a check to make sure things are cleaned back there after the after the wash and then a damp just a padding of the balls to dry them. I you know Jeff I would have one of these by now. I just don't have an outlet near my toilet. I didn't either. My so full disclosure I have wanted one of these three years because I Howard Stern talks about him,

and Emily, my girlfriend, she listens to, which by the way, I get made fun of all the time for saying, Emily, my girlfriend, people are like, yes, we know you have a girlfriend, but I just think a lot of people might not know that I have a girlfriend in her name is Emily, and we have employees named Emily, but whatever. She's lovely, by the way.

Also, she's going out. Is it okay to say what she does for a living? She's a hairstylist, she owns a hair salon. How valuable is that right now? That I'm assuming you guys are quarantining together, that you live with a person who can cut hair. Oh yeah, she's cut my hair a couple of times already. And she has to deal with, she has to deal with like,

I'd say probably five to 10 times a day, people are like, would you please break quarantine and come over to my house and cut my hair in my kitchen She's like no right but no I know so here. Here's an example of the momentum of society that I think is key is that Your girlfriend you said her name. Okay, I said no hearty. Okay. Okay. Let's go say both that before you go there Do we lose Jeff what happened? I'm not oh shit Okay, got it. Let's go, let's go, let's go, let's go, let's go, let's go, let's go, let's go, let's go, let's go, let's go, let's go, let's go, let's go, let's go, let's go, let's go, let's go, let's go, let's go, let's go, let's go, let's go, let's go, let's go, let's go, let's go, let's go, let's go,

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He's following along now. Yeah, we should probably stop seeing her. I'm not trying to stop you pretty soon. Should we do another one of these again sometime? Yeah, let me, here, let me start a new fuck. Well, let me save fuck. Well, Jeff does that. I'll do the point I was interrupting him with,

which is the momentum of society. I think everyone has this notion that we're gonna reach day 200 or 100, and all of a sudden, everything's gonna be lifted, and everyone rushes back out, and society is normal. But even if you take something as simple as getting a haircut, it's gonna take you months to get a haircut, because everyone's gonna need a haircut. Everyone thinks they're gonna get a haircut day one,

it's just not gonna happen. We're not gonna head back into the world that way. It's gonna take you, unless the hairstylist wanna work triple shifts for four months, it's gonna take forever to work through everyone who's gonna need a haircut. There's a lot that goes back into starting society back up again. Or even just the process of getting a vaccine to everyone, manufacturing and then distributing

potentially seven billion. How long do you think that's going to take? And listen, Gus, just to you saying that, if you're going to inject everyone in the world, or if it's nasal gel or whatever, if you're going to give everyone in the world, or if it's nasal gel or whatever, if you're gonna give everyone in the world a vaccine, you've gotta take the time to make sure it's tested and that it's gonna be effective. You just, you have to take that time. You mean you can't just get up on a press conference and say, I don't know, try chloroquine on.

Maybe it'll work, maybe it won't. I've heard good things. Injust it. You know, all the crazy things I have in my prep kit, I have some of that because that's what they gave us on the amazing race for an anti-malarial drug. It's about five years expired at this point, but yeah, I have some of that

because they gave it to a system case. Do you guys know what happens to medicine when it expires? It just becomes less effective. Yeah, it just becomes less effective. You could still, I think, take it. You can, the FDA makes you put an expiration or a best buy date on stuff. By the best example

of that, there's a brand of salt that's like two and a half million year old salt, and that's the age of the salt. And then after you buy it expires in like nine months. They have to put it on there, you know. Are you guys using like everything in your pantry now? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's really changed in positive ways for me if you want to find this overlining. This whole thing has like changed my relationship with food, changed my relationship with waste and everything.

It's been a learning experience. I wish it had come in a different way, but I have to take away some of the learnings that I've had from it. Yeah, I'm not wasting shit from my fridge anymore, but the stuff in the pantry will last a long time and I kind of feel bad eating it just in case I need it Leah definitely been eating leftovers. All right, shall we are we are we are we wrapping this up here Pretty soon. What are we doing are you guys eating out?

We're going for lunch. This is our where we going for lunch, but that but the pandemic version of it I already hung out with you recently What month are we going to lunch? I ordered food last weekend and that was the first time in over a month. I started ordering like three or four nights a week at the beginning because I was afraid of like restaurants closing and some friends that own bars and restaurants. So we were trying to order from them just to help support them, but I started to get paranoid and so I've quit ordering out completely.

I think I had a pizza last week once, and then I just, I was paranoid, but I made it. Next time we talk about this, we should have Jason Saldaniah. I've been talking to him about it. He's, he's, he's got a lot of, a lot of thoughts about it. And he's, he's, you know, two young kids and everything too. He's been really careful about everything that he's done in terms of exposure.

So. I bet. Yeah. Yeah, we should definitely have them. I told it to Jason now more than ever for some reason. Well, you and I do because we hang out with him all the time. Gus unfortunately.

All right, all right. Are you guys good? We've just had this thing that we do every once in a while where Jason will text us and say, hey, let's meet after dinner or after work. And then we'll plan to and then Gavin and I will show up and then Gus is nowhere to be found ever. I've only missed the last two.

Bullshit. That does not sound bullshit, that is a fact. It's at least three bullshit. Two. Mm-hmm. And it happens so often that three could be a year. Well, I just want you to know that all of you can suck my dick for not inviting me to that.

So, I appreciate you all. Very much. You know what, do your house the other day? I brought the whole team to go hang out with you. This is one of the craziest things ever. I know we gotta do your house the other day? I brought quarantine to go hang out with you. This is one of the craziest things ever. I know we gotta stop and Eric and Nick have stuff they gotta do, but I was on my front porch in latex gloves and a mask,

or night trial gloves and a mask. You look like you're about to perform surgery. You know what I was doing? I was bringing groceries into my house. And it's funny because I've been playing with like an old school Halo group with like Aaron and Eric and Kumail's in that as well. And I got on that night,

was playing Halo with him and I said, guys, I hit a new record. It only took me 45 minutes to get my groceries into the house from the front porch because I have a whole process by which I do it. And they were all impressed because I guess it takes them like days at a time to move stuff in. But I had to like the gloves on the mask

and everything moving my groceries and like disinfecting the bags and stuff. And I saw, I live on like a cul-de-sac, which is like just a street with, it's like dead end, but circular dead end, if you're not familiar with what a cul-de-sac is. Not a lot of traffic on it. And this pretty young lady drives by in a bike.

And she drove by and I thought, oh, there's somebody like ride down my street. And we made eye contact and I was conscious of the fact that I was wearing a mask and gloves and everything. And then she was riding with this guy and he rode by too. And I realized, oh, that's fucking Jeff and Emily. They rode by right in front of my house. And I've never run into anybody that I know in town or ever.

And it's just like, why was I out on my front deck at that point in time to where I could see them? And yeah, it was like the weirdest coincidence that I was out there as you guys just happened to ride by. Totally didn't mean to be riding. I didn't even realize I was in neighborhood. I was just, I was going a different route. We don't ever typically go that way.

And I was just bored. And it was just totally lost in my head, and I heard my name, and I looked up, and I saw the surgeon burns. I was like, it was such a weird moment. I was like, oh shit, I'm a Bernie sauce. How did I even get here? Maybe it was like, sense memory or something, but yeah, I was completely confused

as to why somebody was calling my name, and then it was you. And granted, we maintained a very healthy distance, but we got to hang out and talk for about 20 minutes. I would say 15, 20 minutes, it was really nice. You're the only person I've hung out with since the quarantine started. Yeah, that's the most amount of socialization I've had too, and like a month and a half. Outside of my own family, it's crazy.

God, it's so crazy. I would say that we probably maintained a good 30 to 40 foot distance. Yeah. And some elevation too. You were in more danger than I was. Yeah, some elevation. You're definitely breathing your fumes for sure. But I had my masks on, so I was fine.

I'm well good. Million and a half people in this town and I fucking ran into you. We're in quarantine. So weird. It's good though. Yeah. All right, well thanks for having me back on the podcast guys. We're in quarantine. So weird. It's good though. Yeah. All right, well thanks for having me back on the podcast guys. Yeah, no problem.

And in summary, just so we should remember, so I just want to wrap this whole thing up. A couple of things. Bernie suggests taking all the expired medicine. He says it's fine. You'll be good. Bernie also says homeless people in Austin are subhuman and should be avoided at all cost.

And Bernie hates the entire state of Alabama and wants to burn it down. All Bernie burns words, not else. Also take all the illicit of you, Ken. No. Yeah, and take as much illicit as possible. Take drugs if you're young because your body can take it. Let's represent me correctly on this. What's it get not management?

So I made a joke on Twitter the day we said something and somebody just wrote to me, Bernie, that's it, you're canceled. And I said, can't cancel me if I'm not relevant, buddy. See, ultimate armor. Nice try, asshole. I don't matter. But evil scheme is coming to light now. All right, I'm going gonna go hug my baby.

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