Rotten Mango - #1- Toy Box Killer

Episode Date: June 1, 2020

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OK. Hi. Welcome to the first episode of our first podcast called Rotten Manga, where we will be talking about crime. That's too gruesome. That I really don't feel like is something that I can talk about when I'm muck banging it out like the fat ass that I am because I'm usually eating and talking about crime and when you're eating, there's just a part of you that can't talk about the most gruesome of the gruesome crimes.

It just doesn't feel like it mesh as well. So I've dedicated this entire podcast to talk about all of the crimesome crimes. It just doesn't feel like it meshes well. So I've dedicated this entire podcast to talk about all of the crimes that have been highly requested that I just can't seem to do for a mukbang. And it feels really weird not having a camera here. So thank you for inviting me into your ear holes today. I promise.

I'm gonna need a movie. I need, I promise. I will take good care of them. Just like cropping there. Cropping. Cropping. Are you caressing or cropping? This is getting weird.

This is a crime podcaster. Get it together. Exactly. So hi, I'm Stephanie Sue. This is Mr. Mango Butt, my co-host, and today, it sounds so professional. Welcome to the most responsible podcast. No! I'm your bad bit, Ms. Mangobot, and this my other bit. Me my worst half.

So, today we're gonna be talking about the toybox killer, which again has been so highly requested on my main channel on YouTube. I don't know where the fuck this is going. Do you know where to post these? Post what this? Yeah, on YouTube. No! You will figure it out. Obviously if you guys hear this that means we have figured it out. Okay, so today we're going to be talking about the toy box killer, which is when highly requested. And it's just one of the strangest cases in the sense that I can't really, like, I could say, it's the strangest case because it's the most gruesome case. Yes, but I feel like I could kind of apply that word to so many other cases. But this, this is just weird because I mean, have you ever

heard of a case where the victims don't even themselves know what they're the victims of or some of them don't even know that they were a victim at all. Yeah just like you're like marriage. Okay and it's you know he's kind of known David Parker Ray who is the toy box killer that's his nickname. David Parker Ray. I know it sounds fancy, but he's not a fancy Dude, what's his last name Ray? Okay, David Ray. But people call him David Parker Ray Hmm. I don't know it has something to do with the people like to add that mystique that mystery to serial killers And David Ray doesn't sound as mysterious as David Parker Ray, right? I mean, he's called Toybox Killer.

Yes, that's his nickname. Is that mysterious? I think so, because once you find out about what the Toybox is, there's an actual physical Toybox. Like, it's not just a nickname. Like, he created a Toybox, but instead of toys, they were full on human beings. Yeah, and so what's very interesting about this one is technically you see him in a lot of lists, let's say he's one of the most prolific

serial killers of the United States. But they've only found, like, no, I don't think they found any bodies, but there's certain of two murders, they have not found any bodies, but the police and the FBI, they estimate around 80 to 100 deaths. So they think, possibly, they assume most likely

that he has 100 victims that are dead. And they only found two? They only know of two, but I don't think they found their bodies. So it's kind of weird because when you think about all the other serial killers, I don't on these like lists as David Parker Ray, which is kind of crazy that we as a society are like, let's just like list them. Top 10. Who's your top 10, right? Who's your bias for serial killer? Um, yeah, he's always on them. And the other serial killers like they found many, many bodies. And even with those zero colors, they're like, okay, we found 20, but we assume there's 40. With them, with David Parker Ray and his crew, he has a crew. Yeah, he has a whole

last crew. And it's crazy because his daughter is involved. Yeah, so I mean, I'm just going to jump right into the story. So this all takes place in New Mexico, right? Which, New Mexico seems like a very interesting place, especially this area. This area was called Elephant Butte Lake, and so they were on the edge, the cusp of this national park with this ginormous lake called Elephant Butte, okay? Now what's very interesting about Elephant Butte Lake is that it's very, very, very large.

The lake is huge, the lake is freaking massive, but not only is it massive. They have these giant catfish that are the size of alligators that just destroy shit. They eat everything in the lake. And on top of that, the lake is filled with algae. So you're talking about very deep, very large, very dense, like you cannot see it. very dense like you cannot see it. Yeah. Waters filled with like 50 pound catfish. 50 pound catfish.

Yes. And their fish is catfish. Like they're not cute little catfish. Like kittens. They're kitten fish. They're not kitten fish. They're catfish. And so in New Mexico, elephant butelake,

they have about 700 households, 700 to 1000. I think they've developed a lot more since the crime, but they don't really have a lot of houses there. They don't really have a lot of like a huge population. And nothing really happens there. You know, you would think because they are on the cusp of this giant national park, you would think maybe there's a lot of crime. Maybe there's a lot of kidnapping. Sounds like the setting of a crazy Netflix docuseries. But really, it just, there wasn't.

There wasn't much crime because the average household income was around $30,000. And so all of the neighbors were kind of on this living basis of like, there's nothing to steal anyway. So no one's really going to commit these crimes. And so to everyone's shocker, in March of 12th of 1999, there was a 22-year-old girl by the name of Cynthia Virgil. Now, this is where it gets fucked up. Okay. Cynthia Virgil was a prostitute. Okay. And even after all of this happens, and even after people find out that David Parker Ray is the man who he is. People really dismiss a lot of the things that Cynthia had to say

because she's a prostitute. But yes, let's go to March 12. Okay. So March 12 in this tiny, tiny little town, this quiet town filled with trailers and houses, Cynthia is butt naked. And she has this chain just padlocked on her neck like it's like a collar and she's running Through this town Completely nude like three p.m. I think it was three 15 p.m. Yeah, and she's running running running She sees cars on the road and mind you there's not gonna be a lot of cars. This is not the 405

Okay, this is a very very deserted area not the 405, okay? This is a very, very deserted area. You mean she has a collar attached to a chain that's just hanging off her body? Yeah, and she can't get it off because it's padlocked her neck. And so she's running on this dirt road and it's very intriguing because cars do end up passing her

and you can tell that she's been through stuff. Like the way that the police describe and everybody describes how she was running through in the middle of the afternoon. This is not a psychotic woman. This is not a woman who's just lost her brains and she's just, you know, dealing with some stuff. This is someone who's been through some shit. And so cars pass her one by one. And later we find the drivers of those cars and they said, you know, I just thought she was kind of a nut job of scared of her actually. actually. She was scary to see that. She's trying to wave them down. She's frantically screaming for help, help, help, try to wave them down.

Nobody stops and she has to run, run, run until she gets to the next trailer because like I said, it's a lot of land, not a lot of houses. And so she finally finds a trailer and she knocks on the door and she just pushes open the door because it was unlocked Right and there was an owner home and she's like what the fuck is going on? What do you what are you doing? And she goes please please keep me safe. Please. Please. Please. Conn I know one colon one. Please please And so the owner calls her and one I mean I there's a lady here. I she says she's been assault I don't know what's going on. She's butt naked. I mean, she has like this chain on. I don't know what to do.

I don't know what to do. And so the police say, OK, what's your address will be right there. Now what's interesting is that maybe 20 minutes prior to this, a couple blocks away, the police had gotten a 911 call. And it had hung up the minute that dispatch had picked up the phone. Now in a small town like this, what are the chances? And so they immediately looked into it. And that first phone call to 911 that

was hung up on, came from David Parker Ray's residence. So did they look into it right away? Or okay. And I'm just going gonna kind of start with David Parker race. So that's kind of how he got caught, but that's probably the most anti-climactic part of this story. So that was the day that he got caught. Got it. Yes, but he did this for, I want to say close to 40 years. Yeah.

How old is he? Sixties? Like 50 something. What's crazy is that he started young. So his early life is interesting. Oh, old is he? Sixties? Like fifty something. What's crazy is that he started the young. So his early life is interesting. And what's interesting is that you were saying something about this previously. He was talking about, my fiance was talking about how when you look at criminals, you want

to explain? What do you mean? Oh, and what you're talking about. The psychology of the early life. Yeah, yeah, they say for all the other criminals, it always comes down to their early life because, you know, yeah, a lot, almost majority of them can be traced

to their early childhood. So you think almost every criminal has some weird trickle effect like when they're in their... Yeah, so they were saying, you know, I've been like reading they're in there. Yeah, so they they were saying, you know I've been like reading a lot into this they're saying basically It's like you know when you're born What what you're born, you know some people can have more characteristic to become a criminal. And your personality became loads the gun. Does that make sense?

You can be born as a weapon. You're more likely to be a criminal than somebody else. And then your personality became loads the gun and those past events that you experience when you're young can become the trigger point. Okay, so you're saying when people are born, you're either a gun, a knife, a teddy bear, Sure, sure. A couch.

Sure, yeah. And so when you're life in your early childhood, they start loading bullets in, which is probably trauma, abuse, or any things like that, maybe. For example, is that what you're trying to do? No, they say those are actually more like triggering. Those are triggers. Oh, they're triggers. They're not bullets that they're loading into the gun.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think it's more generic, like how you erase, you're surrounding, all of those could be the, okay, you know? That makes sense for me because sometimes I get into this habit of comparing criminals When I hear about their early childhood

I'm like well there's a lot of people who are abuse just kids, you know That doesn't make any sense, but I get it now if it's like okay Maybe this person was born a gun whereas the other person it was just a teddy bear and they put bullets into a teddy bear Yeah, versus they put bullets into a gun right right right Okay, that helps me visualize it and so David Parker Ray was born a gun then. Probably a machine gun, like an assault rifle. And assault is really the correct term for it because I mean, it just gets freaking nuts.

So he was born to two parents, Cecil and Nettie, I believe, was his mother's name. And what's interesting about them is there's so many rumors about his dad. And I can't even pinpoint where these rumors started. So if you just look at the basic research of like freaking Wikipedia and like a couple documentaries, right? They always say his dad was a raging alcohol.

Like he'd be the shit out of him on a daily basis. And then when he was around 10 years old, his dad was like, I can't take care of you anymore and drop them off at his grandparents or his parents' house, right? I was like, I can't take care of you anymore and drop them off at his grandparents or his parents' house, right? But there are rumors that his dad before he just completely abandoned his son was very into showing his son

heavy amounts of heavy pornography, like really intense violent porn. Just showing him that? Yeah, just showing him. Or like watching it on TV and it's just like right in front of him. Right in front of him. Yeah.

How is that told by him, or? No, these are just rumors by people who knew his dad back in the day. And so, I mean, none of these are confirmed, but I mean, I wouldn't put it past all of it because it just gets even crazier And so he has a little sister by the name of Peggy who's really not into the story too much And so she's eight years old and David is 10 years old when they get dropped off at their grandparents house and these are Cecil his dad's parents, okay, and it says that his this is another rumor

There's so many rumors about his childhood that his grandma abused him sexually. And that there's this very strong rumor that his grandma couldn't get excited about life and things if she wasn't beat. And so she would make her 10 year old grandson beat her. That's a big rumor. That's a very specific rumor. Yeah, so I mean, that's why a lot of people

that have heard of this rumor kind of think it's true, but then also speaking on the fact that this is his dad's mom, maybe that's why his dad was so messed up. And then it transferred to David Parker Ray, right? Got it. And so his dad moves away, his mom moves away, he's living with his grandparents, his grandma seems very, very strange, his grandpa has even stranger.

He's super, super religious to the point where he has these crazy expectations from both the kids. And if they fail to meet these expectations, he just slap some around in front of everyone. Like he's not even the type, like my mom's the type that's like, hey, just do wait till we get in the car. Like I'm not gonna do it in front of everyone. Like he's not even the type, like my mom's the type that's like, hey, just do wait until we get in the car. Like I'm not going to do it in front of people, but like she gives me those eyes, but not his grand, not not his grandfather.

He would just beat him in front of everyone. And so then this caused this very odd trickle effect where he became bullied at school. He was very, very tall for his age and super skinny. And I know that's like the thing right now with eboys and take talk, but it wasn't back then. Yeah, it really wasn't. And so he got hella bullied. And so he got beat up at school. Because he's taught in skinny. Yeah, and just like looks like a yeah, kind of sad looking maybe. Yeah, kind of like sad looking. And I'm sure he was very, very strange because Peggy, his younger sister remembers finding a lot of graphic violent porn in his room by the time that he was 13 years old.

And she is okay. She's fine. I don't know how fine she is, but she's not arrested. I don't think she's in jail. Okay. I don't think how fine she is, but she's not arrested. I don't think she's in jail. Okay. I don't think so. And so it seems like it's from a young, young age. She was into stuff like that.

And so he really couldn't get off on anything that wasn't heavy amounts of bondage, heavy amounts of BDSM and to be super specific. So I feel like the world of BDSM is very broad. But he liked Sadow Massacism, which if you look it up liked Sadow Massacism, which if you look it up, Sadow Massacism is, when you can't get off without inflicting pain,

and it's not like cute pain, like it's not like, ooh, spank, like it's like very, like they want to see you actually in a lot of pain, crying. That's still BDSM? Yeah. And so there's the other half of it, crying. That's still BDSM. Yeah. And so there's the other half of it, where it's called masochism, where people like to be in pain.

And so when these perfect halves per se meet each other, it becomes a fully consensual BDSM relationship. I wonder how many accidents have been during the Anyways, oh gosh, and so he was into this at a super young age Allegedly he bragged to a lot of his like high school friends that he started killing at the age of 14 He said listen You'll never guess what I did the other day now. This is where it gets weird when you are 14 and in school You like to brag about things. I mean maybe you like to brag about your Gucci belt or this or that.

But I guess where he lived, they like to brag about crimes. And so he would brag to all of his friends and say, guess what I did last weekend. So I found this girl riding a bike. And I decided, you know what, I'm just going to say hi to her. So we started talking and she thought it was cute. So we started walking in the woods just like a late night woods woods walk and what she didn't know was that in my backpack I had rope, I had tweezers, I had pliers, I had all these things.

And so I tied her up to a tree, I saw it to her and then I tortured her because I really like when they cry. And then I killed her. And that was when he was 14. So that's why, you know, the FBI and everyone's like, I don't even know how many victims there are. But you think that's true? I mean, they didn't find any girls body and nothing. They found out later. Oh, they did find the girl. No, but like nobody told. So none of his friends alerted the police

or anything like that. Okay. It's just a small town that nobody does anything. Yeah. Nobody, no police. Not really. Okay. Yeah.

And so, you know, that was kind of his early teenage life. And he got married super quick. He was married twice in and out of marriages and then finally when he was 27 years old he met his third wife by the name of Glenda. I keep wanting to call her Glenda but I won't. Okay. Glenda who was 18 years old and he was 27 and so they have this daughter by the name of Glenda Jean Ray butae, but she's going to go by Jessie. So if you guys are any familiar with this case at all, you guys immediately recognize the name Jessie because Jessie, the daughter, is going to be heavily involved in all of the

crimes. It gets real nasty. It gets real confusing. I mean, there are certain parts of this story where they all start like group dating each other. I mean, it's so weird. Okay. And so, you know, when his daughter, Jesse, becomes three years old, he's like, listen, I'm bored. I'm not used to this life. I'm used to being on the high road, killing people, maybe on the

highway doing this, doing that, assaulting women. Like, I don't want to be a sad. So, so what is he, his whole host bill, Is he trying to kill people or he's trying to assault people? He's just trying to assault people. Okay. That's how he gets off. Okay. And it's just, he is a firm believer in slave master relationships. And he likes to be the master.

And later, I'm going to read you the transcript of this audio. Okay. So his whole thing is he driven by sex. Yes, but of the most violent kind. That very few people will consent to, including his wives. Got it. You know, and so he gets really, really bored

when his daughter turns three. And so he decides, you know what, I'm gonna just join the freaking hippies. And I'm gonna start hitchhiking all over New Mexico. And so he up and leaves his third wife and his daughter, his three year old daughter. And he starts hitchhiking all over New Mexico. And so he up and leaves his third wife and his daughter, his three-year-old daughter, and he starts hitchhiking with another hippie by the name of Sally.

Now, Sally, some people say either she's the second victim or the tenth victim. Like, they truly don't know. And so Sally was super young too. I think she was like 17 or something. And so she loses her virginity to David Parker, right? And she falls pregnant. And so there're like hippies back in the day They used to moving groups. So they're moving all over and you know new Mexico and groups and

Everyone in the group realized one day that Sally just was gone like her all of her possessions all of her things all of her bags her clothes Just gone right and so they asked David because they kind of knew they were dating, like what happened to Sally, like everything okay? And he said, oh, you know Sally, like she's just, she's a free spirit. She likes to do her own thing. So I think she went to a different town. And because they're hippies and because that's what they do, nobody had any reason to not believe him. Right. And so he gets sick of the hippie life after another year or two and he moves back in with his third wife and then it doesn't work out and then he gets married two more times and he decided to get maybe this area albuquerque New Mexico is not for me. I'm just going to move to elephant lake

and that's when he moved to elephant but like New Mexico and he started becoming a mechanic so he starts fixing all these cars, these sailboats, and eventually he saved up and bought his own sailboat. And he would sail that shit on that lake so frequently to the point where he started making friends in the area obviously and they'd come onto the boat with him and he bragged about how he knew where every square inch of the lake, like where the catfish are, what area is deep, what area is shallow, what area gets tumultuous, like which area has the most algae, I mean there we're literally 50 to 80 pound catfish, all populating that fucking lake at the time. So it's deep, it's large, it's a peg, it's algae field. And so the reputation

was kind of just, it's a very mysterious area. And so he seems like a very nice guy though. Like you would never get on a boat with some creep who says he knows every square inch of that lake unless you thought he was a super good person. And he really was. He's like the type of person. people said in that town that if they saw a wounded cat or an animal or like even a deer that got hit by a car on the side of the dirt road, he would like take that wounded animal, go home

and just heal the animal, like spend money on it. Like actually. Yeah, and then let the animal go. So yeah. How do you think of, How do you think about that? That is the one thing that was very weird for me, because when you hear about most serial killers, they killed a lot of animals when they were young.

And so it's usually a common trait that serial killers kill animals first before they move on to humans. But that's the interesting thing about David Parker, right? He wasn't interested in killing. That wasn't his end game. Got it. So the end of it, he still cares for little animals.

Yeah, and then you'll find out that he somehow still cares for his daughter in some sick twisted ass way that I don't understand. And so, you know, there was even this one situation where his friends and all of him were on the boat. And they're looking around and the lake is just so deep and dark and he says hypothetically speaking Where would you dump a body in this lake and all of the friends were like oh fucking I'd find the you know the deepest place And just dump oh I'd probably like tie the body up to something really heavy and dump the body.

Oh, I could put it in cement. Isn't that what people do in movies? They put cement on the feet. And its friends are having that conversation and they're like, what about you, David? And he says, well, I'd probably cut the body open. And then feed the fish. And the reason that you do that is because bodies have a lot of gas in them. And when they die, that gas needs to be released. And so I'd out gas the body. And then, because now you have an open wound,

I'd put heavy stones into that wound and then sew it up with chicken wire. And then I would dump it into the lake. What is chicken wire? Chicken wire is like, fencing for chickens. Like those, like kind of, do you know what I'm talking about? And he said he'd put stones inside because stones are found in lakes, whereas a block of cement that's really random.

You know, and if you put feet to a block of cement, like if you, because a lot of the times in movies what they do is when the cement isn't hardened, they'll put the feet in. Because a lot of the times in movies what they do is when the cement isn't hardened they'll put the feet in So now your feet are cemented in but they might find pieces of flesh Yeah, but in this situation the catfish will finish Everything and let's say for some reason the police have all of the money in the world to search this crazy lake Yeah, they'd find stones in chicken wire, which isn't that uncommon. He gave a detailed explanation of everything. And it was, I've never seen that in a movie,

and I watch a lot of crime movies, you know. That's very throw-in-detailed thinking, right? Yeah, and so all of his friends, instead of being alarmed, like what kind of fucking friends would not be alarmed? Instead of being alarmed, they were like, wow, David has a lot of time to think. And they just chalked it up to him being bored. And so, while he's living in Elephant Butelake, he's studying the lake, he's doing this, he's doing that, and he gets really deep into the bondage community. And this is very, very, very pertinent information.

So he becomes obsessed. He starts getting a lot of contacts in the underground bondage world, especially because back in the day, bondage was not a common thing. This is not the days of 50 shades of gray, where everyone's like, oh, so cute. Like, I want to be anesthetized still. Like, nobody thought like that.

Like, this is back in the day where it's like, you are going to help because you're a center You know type of days God it got it And so you know he started getting all these contacts and he started studying and he started exhibiting very Very alarming behavior. So this is all rumored But it said that once he arrived at elephant butelake, he started kidnapping young woman, especially under age girls, which he

said he had a preference for. Because of the anatomy, it gets real gross. What what what do you mean a preference? What's the preference? He prefers early teens. What is early teens? Like 12. Oh my God. Yeah. Okay. And he would kidnap them, and he would assault them for days and days and days. Is this facts or just rumors? This is right now rumors, but we're about to get into some hardcore facts.

And this is nothing compared to what the facts are. Yeah, and so this is kind of his start. And so he would knap and torture for days and days and days. And we know this because his daughter came forward to the FBI and told them this. No way. Yeah, Jesse. And so he would torture them, assault them,

and he did some vile stuff. Like it's freaking nuts. Like even just looking at pictures of his toy box, you want to throw up. And he would then, afterwards, what would he do? Would he release them? Would he kill them? No. No.

He would drive two hours to the border and drive into Mexico and sell these girls that he just tortured. Oh my god. To the sex trade in Mexico and make money off of it. Yeah. So because why? Because he thinks that's a that's smart. Yeah he thinks that if people start finding bodies laying around, it's going to be a whole investigation. If they never find people, why would they ever suspect it's David Parker Ray? It's just a missing case. It's just a missing person.

And in New Mexico, you know, it's not the most uncommon area. It's not like someone's missing from fucking, I don't know, the Hamptons in New York. Right. You know, and so yeah, he would drive down to Mexico and he would sell these girls. So it was just nightmare after nightmare for these victims. And that's also why there's really no set number on how many, yes, they estimate around 80 people that he murdered, but how many victims in total of all of this, right? And so just- 80 is a huge number for a serial killer, right? Especially for someone where there's no bodies that are found.

Yeah. So they have no names. Yeah. Wow. No names. Yeah, it's, yeah. And so, Jesse, Glenda, Glenda Junior, she just always loved her dad. That was just something that she had in her.

She just never really thought her dad was weird. She started finding a lot of porn around the house at a young age. I mean, her dad really never tried to hide it, which I think is really gross because like I'm in the boat where even seeing my parents kiss like makes me want to die. Yeah, just kissing general makes me want to die. Yeah. And so.

And so. My self included. Did someone kill you? I mean, wait, that's really not something I should say in a true crime podcast. Right. Right, right. Right. Right. And so at a young age, Jesse starts developing this craving for

sadomasochism as well. So I guess it just fucking runs on the family, okay? And she adores her father. And at 19 years old, she's living with her father. And she feels like she's thriving. She's seeing her dad, kidnap all of these women, torture these women, and then sell them to Mexico. I mean, this is not something that he tried his best to hide from her. You really didn't give a fuck if she knew. And so she knew all of these things.

And so the one time that it really, really bothered her was when she was 19 years old, she had helped her dad kidnap a prostitute by luring the prostitute into the car by saying, yeah, of course, like, we'll pay you just like come into the car and we'll just do some fun stuff and then we're going to pay you, right? Can you tell I don't know how these conversations go? And so she gets into the car. It's probably just like that.

And so she gets into the car and she starts getting tortured by them in the car. Yes, they start like putting pliers on her nipples, like just some crazy shit. And mind you, she's not drugged up. Like this is just pure torture. And she started screaming and crying and she fled. She was able to escape and she ran away. Wow. And that was the first time that Jessie was like, wait a second.

It's what I'm doing illegal. Like this feels weird. Like my dad says it's fine. It's just a kink that we have. It's just something that we like to do. But it's, and they do it together. Father and daughter. Yeah, it's gross.

Yeah. What the fuck? Yeah. Yeah. And so she's like, Huh, am I doing something wrong here? And so 19 year old Jessie, she goes to the FBI and she tells them everything.

And they're fucking shook. Okay, she's saying we can have girls together. We tortured them. Is that the moment that he was caught? No. Yeah, that gets crazy. And so she's like, yeah, we can have girls together. We fucking torture them. And then we've been selling them to slavery in Mexico. And so she's like, yeah, we kidnap girls together, we fucking torture them.

And then we've been selling them to slavery in Mexico and my dad kept telling me like, this is normal, like these girls without us, like they would have no lives, they'd be so bored. You know, they probably wanted to. It's part of the BDSM community where they act like they don't want it. And obviously they're in pain, but they want it.

And so then the FBI, they're shook. They call it 46-year-old David at the time. And he's brought in and they start questioning him. Now, you would think that someone like this would be like, oh, sorry, my 19-year-old daughter is just fucking Lini Tunes. She's just a little crazy. I don't know where she got this information. But now he starts to tell the FBI everything in graphic detail. He says, you know, I think it's even hard for me to get off without thinking about murder. I just really love torturing people.

There's just something about seeing a girl in pain that like, have you guys ever seen a girl in pain? No. Man, it's just something you, I can't even put into words how great it is. Like imagine you just... Nothing excites you. But this one thing. That's not one thing for me.

She has no... He has no chills. No, he has no chill at all. And so he goes into great detail, all of... For his love, for pain, and torture, and PDSM. And then he walks out the door, a free man. What? Yeah, because there's no specific victim.

There's no specific crime. There's like no evidence. So what is that? The FBI say, alright, that's a great story. Bye-bye. No, the FBI is like, we legally can't do anything. Like our bosses won't let us do anything. Is that why he's so bossy? Yeah There was nobody no specific crime no specific victim no specific anything

That's insane, okay, so like it's like if I walked into the FBI right now and said the same exact thing Unless there was a victim or something they can't really arrest me thing unless there was a victim or something they can't really arrest me. Right, right. Okay. They had to let him go. And so he then proceeds for the next 13 years to get even balls here. And this was kind of a pivoting moment for the entire family because you would think, you would think that maybe like, okay, if your daughter is ratting you out to the FBI, you're not gonna have a great to follow Daughter relationship. No, this was the moment that cemented that freaking relationship together. Jesse said,

I am no longer going against my father. He's right. He didn't do anything illegal because then the FBI would have arrested him. Of course, I knew I should have known my dad would never do anything illegal. He's a good person. And so they became even closer. And David got even ballsy because his idea is listen. The FBI already told them the shit that I do and they didn't arrest me. They didn't do jack shit. So I'm just going to take it to the next level. And so, you know, after all of that happened, they become very, very, very close.

And if you hear a lot of witnesses, they'll say they're so uncomfortably close to the point where three years later, after the FBI or deal, Jessie gives birth to a daughter. And the daughter gives birth. And she's never seen around town with a boyfriend. Oh, no, and so nobody knows but rumor and speculation and kind of what everyone thinks is That it's David's biological kid Yeah, and so now that they have this little family unit going on, they decide, why don't we

amp things up a bit? Jesse, you're getting a little bit older, David's getting older, and isn't live about just spicing shit up? And so they invested in this 22-foot long cargo trailer, and they wrote this sign inside, and that was a pivotal moment and the sign said Satan's den. They installed an AC unit and they soundproofed it, they made it escape proof, it had a reinforced frame and it had a deadbolt lock and that's just the beginning. They sent a hundred thousand dollars on this toy box. Well, what is now called the toy box?

Which by the way, the name king from this entire trailer is sitting in the FBI field office I think it either in I want to say New Mexico or Arizona. Why do I want to say Arizona? Is it is a display or is it something for them to study? It's something for them to study So like we can't go and see it but Yeah for them to study. It's something for them to study. So like we can't go and see it, but yeah. That's what that trailer is the toy box, right? That's the toy box. Because inside of that toy box, they had so much shit. They were really organized, which is kind of creepy. And so in one wall, they had just so many tools, they had syringes, chemicals, they had these whips and these scalpoles, like the doctor's scalpoles, they had different types of chains,

they had these makeshift, I don't even know what to call them, they're like poles, like bars, right? And then they melted chains onto different lengths of them to spread the angles apart And there was really graphic. Yeah, and they had different ones that were labeled like they said 22 inch This one's this inch this inch and this inch and they had weights They had pliers they had pulleys and the I think the three worst things that I saw in there and I read about was They had a coffin Yeah, they had a coffin in there Okay, and that coffin was like built into the trailer and

You would be crawling in that coffin and it had these holes in it for them to torture you through. Wait, they put the victim in the coffin? Yeah, but the victim's alive. And what do they do with that? They either torture the victim while they're inside or they just put the victim in there just to kind of fuck with their head. Because, you know, when you're in a situation like that and you see a coffin, you're probably not going to be like, oh, that's art. Yeah, it's just decoration, you know, when you're in a situation like that and you see a coffin, you're probably not going to be like, oh, that's art. That's just decoration, you know? And the second thing that was very weird is that they had an electrocution system.

And so they would electrocute different parts of the victim's limbs, which I feel like we've already done a mukbang on this talking about people getting electrocuted and it's just the most insane stuff ever. Yeah. Yeah. And somehow they were able to find and purchase a medical grade gynecology chair. Which is what? I have no idea what that means. It's like, oh yeah, you don't know.

Okay. So like a gynecology chair is the ones at the gynecologist's office and it has these like ankle placements. So imagine like a regular medical bed, but it's got like ankle placements. Is it like those workout machines that you work all your glute? You put your leg, you're trying to move your knees. No, it's like just like providing your ankles so Ah, so that the doctor can like look at you Where they need to look at you

Yeah, they need that to look at it. Yeah Okay, and then also it's like angled in a certain way because if you're like sitting then they can't really see So it's like kind of like angled upish. Oh, mom. Do you feel uncomfortable? Going there and doing all of that? Is it, do you guys feel very comfortable? Is it, I mean, I feel comfortable and uncomfortable. Like I feel very comfortable talking about, like when they ask me questions and stuff,

or like just being honest with my sexual history and stuff like that, but I don't feel comfortable when they have to stick shit in there. And then they're just having a casual conversation with you while they're doing it. And I feel like you really want to do that bullshit thing that everyone says to do. But you know it's the most corny shit ever. Which is to be like, oh please buy me dinner first. And you don't do it. Don't do it.

I'm sure they hear this, but like 25,000 people. And you don't do it. Don't do it. Like, I'm sure they hear this, but like 25,000 people in their career don't do it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But then the only thing is also kind of creepy if they're just completely silent. Yeah, I guess so. So they're just kind of like, how's your day? Boop.

Yeah, what did you eat last night? I'm good. Yeah. Yeah. OK, all right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then on the walls, there was drawings of methods Yeah. Okay. All right. Yeah. Yeah. And then on the walls, there was drawings of methods of just torture, various women getting

tortured and they were just very, very graphic. And on top of that, they had CCTV throughout the entire trailer. Is that for security purposes, you're wondering? Oh, wow. Is David Parker Ray worried that the police are going to show up and he just wants to keep an eye out? No. They were inside the trailer because he wanted to video record all of the torture happening.

So he has cameras installed inside the trailer. Yes, and what's even creepier is that he had a giant mirror on top of the gynecology table because he wanted his victims to see what was happening to them. And he would punish you more if you didn't stare into the mirror to see the torture. That was the way that he tortured them and he would keep these victims up to three days and sometimes if he really liked them up to three weeks and he would just torture them non-fucking stop. again, I know what you're thinking. I already see it. I see your brain working honey I see your little brain cells forming together to create a thought of what do you mean keep them? What does he do with them after do they go to Mexico, right? Yeah, no a lot of them go back home

So so he releases them after yes By brainwashing them. What do you mean? Yeah. I'm going to tell you guys about the actual method of how he does everything right now. Okay. And so the method that he does is the way that he abducts it. Really, he just kind of has a system.

He has a protocol. He's a very routine driven person. He likes variety. He likes new things. But he also loves a good routine. And so his routine was that he would adopt, abduct these women at the side of a road, whether they're hitchhiking, which was popular at the time, or their car broke down, they're riding a bike, it broke down, or at a bar.

Like really, really drunk girls at a bar, or by leering in a prostitute, by talking to the local pimps and saying, listen, I want a girl. This is the service I want, this is how much I'll pay. And then he'll be like, okay, tell her to meet me in that van and then he'll just drive away. So he cared about a well-fit young woman. So he's no longer after 12-year-olds? No, yeah, he is. Oh, yeah. Sorry. And so then he would beat them. And then they'd be blindfolded. He would drug them up. And the scariest part is they'd be knocked out cold by the drugs and they would wake up, strap to that gynecology chair and they would open their eyes and the first things they would see

when they'd look around is pictures of women getting tortured, torture devices like fucking chains, all of these crowbars hanging on the wall like that is not a good way to wake up. It's exactly like those horror movies. Yeah, yeah, and then this is where it gets so freaking scary. He would play them a tape. So he got really- Like the freaking movies. Yes, he got so lazy. He said listen. I'm so tired I am so tired. I'm so tired of telling every girl every time I cannot them What I'm gonna do to them, but I need them to know what I'm gonna do to them

But I don't want to tell them what I'm gonna do to them because I'm so tired I still one like every week I can have a every week. And every week I have to sit there. And it's like an HR orientation, and I'm just so tired of it. And so he developed this idea that he was going to record his own audio of a tape that he would play inside of that toy box, the minute that the victims wake up.

And he would be watching through the CCTV cameras from his house. So he knows when they wake up and when they come to. And so he would play them this 45 minute audiobook tape. 45 minutes, that's a whole last fucking audiobook. That's a whole last podcast. He had his own podcast, okay? And I mean, I cannot read you the whole transcript.

I read the whole transcript. I read the whole transcript. It's been released to the public. And it is. You read it or you listen to it. I read it. OK. Can you imagine if they have the original audio file?

OK. What did he say? So I'm just going to read the parts that really just kind of put all of the torture at the forefront of all of it because there's a lot of just, I mean, he talks a lot. And it's very interesting because the first word he says is, hello, bitch. I know, I know we're laughing. But in a very scary way, I'll go right.

Yeah, I know we're laughing because I sound like a basic bitch would I say it. Yeah, yeah. But like what is wrong with him? And so in the beginning, hello bitch, probably not like that. No, probably not like that. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. And so the beginning, he says stuff like, are you comfortable right now? I doubt it. Rists and ankles change. You're probably gagged, probably blindfolded. Are you disoriented and scared? Probably. And so he said, but for a little while, you need to get your shit together and listen to this tape because it's really relevant to your situation.

I don't know the details of your cat. Why is he doing this again? He's just, is it more mental fucking, yeah. Fuckery to the girls. Yeah, and he wants to tell them to behave. This is his biggest pet peeve. He said, listen, I don't know the details of your capture because this tape is being created July 23rd, 1993. As a general advisory tape for future female captives,

if at a future date there are any major changes in our procedure, this tape will be upgraded. Like, it just sounds so weird and professional, no. That's so freaking weird. Why is that information relative? I don't even know. It's just so weird. And he said, now, you're here against your will, totally helpless,

and you don't know where you are at all, and you don't know what's going to happen to you. You're probably thinking that you're going to be raped, and you share his how-ar in every hole. Yeah, he's laughing because it's that dark. Sorry. You're probably thinking that you're gonna be raped and you share his howl in every hole. What the fuck? Yeah, he's laughing because it's that dark, sorry. He's like in every hole. Yeah, like he's really just that twisted. Okay. And so then there is this age part

that I thought was just so creepy. And this is the part where we learn that he has a thing for young teenagers, right? And especially because most of these victims after they were released, they still don't know if they were a victim of David Parker Ray. And so nobody knows really what his age target group was.

But this tape says, for our purposes, we like to snatch girls in the early to mid teens, sexually develop but still small-bodied and usually they're scared, shitless, easy to handle and to train. And so it just, it like really irks me. This is, it just, and he's so heartless. I don't even like just reading this transcript in the first person.

Like it bothers me. Yeah. And so this is where the heartless part comes in and I think this is why I'm sure there was kind of a satisfaction coming from playing that audio tape for them, but this is kind of, I think why he made this tape which is, listen, you might be married, you might have a kid, you might have two kids, a boyfriend, a girlfriend, I don't know, a job, a car payment, fucking, I don't care, I don't give a rat's ass about any of that. And I never want to hear about it. If I killed every bitch that we kidnapped, there would

be bodies strung all over the country. And so it's just kind of like he starts going on this rant about how there's going to be punishments if they don't call him master, if they don't do this, if they don't do that, he said, you know, I'm not here to just make you an animal. Like, I'm going to hurt you a lot. But if you need a pee, let me know because I don't want you to be dirty. You'll be showered. I mean, you're just my sex slave. Like he's saying just what the fuck stuff?

Like it's almost like he's patting himself on the back in the tape, like the transcript. It almost sounds like he's like, listen, I just want you to be my sex slave against your will. I'm not like that evil. I'm going to let you shower. That's insane. So he just want to do these things to the girls to his liking and the tape supposed to make them understand. Yeah. And then he says, I mean, a lot of it is going to be painful. Most of it is going to be painful because I have this thing where I can't get off unless there's pain. And then the German Shepherd comes to play.

He says, okay. So a lot of the times I throw parties and a lot of my BDSM friends will come over and they will all take turns but they're all basic. They just probably will you know assault you here and there but not always so he brings more people like just his friends once in a while to have a party not into the toy box. So there are more people. Anyone who enters the toy box is an accomplice or a victim but to the house. Okay. And they'll have these parties and his friends will assault you, but they're basic They don't like to inflict as much pain as I do so that shouldn't be too hard for you now

Some people don't like this most of the girls hate this, but once in a while he will It's so gross. Are you still reading the transcript right now or? I mean, a lot of this is paraphrased. Yeah, but these are all things he said. Okay. Yeah, I mean, he just goes way too graphic into detail. And the language he uses, just like I can't repeat it.

Do you want me to read it? No. I don't want to hear you say it. What is it? What is it? He just, he talks about how he's gonna he's gonna put this canine breeding gel onto their areas and he has this giant German Shepherd and He even describes what the other girls said it felt like which is baseball

And yeah, I know I told you, I told you he said, let me read it. And then I say one thing. Oh, yeah, no, it's really, really, really, really dark. Like the way he describes things is just so dark. And so just imagine the fear of these girls when they wake up are ready so scared. And he's just casually explaining the world of pain that they're about to be in. And just in the most sick and twisted ways too, it's not even just like you're gonna be in a lot of pain. It's like, also I have a dog.

Like it's just, it gets so fucking weird. And so he starts talking about how. It's way more scary when he plays this tape. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. And so he starts talking about how the dog. Yeah.

How long? He's going to bring a dog. Yeah, how long the dog lasts. How he thinks it's so fun and funny. He just likes watching it. And then he said, but I also really like other things, like oral things. Like, um, oral sex.

And he says, well, I have a very particular way that I like it, and I'm gonna teach you how to do it. And I know you're gonna be really tempted. Like, he literally said that, like, you're just gonna want to do it, but don't. You're gonna wanna bite me. And I suggest you don't, because I will cut off your nipple. And if it's a really bad bite, I'll cut off an entire boob.

That's a very, I mean, it's a very specific threat, right? I think I'll be scared to be cut off any body parts, but as a woman, does that kind of... Yeah, it makes me shudder. Yeah, it's so specific that I feel like I wouldn't be like, you're bluffing, but you know. I mean, especially if you're already in that setting. So the part where he talks about, listen, you're going to be released. I mean, I don't want to kill you. Like he even says, like, I don't want to kill you. That's not what I get off on. That's not my end goal. I don't want you to die. And I'm glad. And I'm sure you're glad that you're not going to die as long as you behave. And the way that we're going to do this is he says, this is direct quotes, a combination of sodium pentathol and phenobarbital, which are both hypnotic drugs that will make you extremely successful, successful, okay.

Fuck, extremely? Yeah, you get it. To hypnosis, auto hypnosis, and hypnotic suggestion. You're going to be kept drugged up for a couple days while we play with your mind. By the time you're done being brainwashed, you won't remember a fucking thing about this little adventure. Is that true? Yeah. It is true. It is true. It's like what he's about to do. Yeah. It does brainwash them. So they don't remember the whole experience. They just, they get dumped on the side of the road. Uh-huh. And they are in so much pain and they have no idea what happened.

And so they, one victim was found. Yeah. And she had just fucking therapy on therapy on therapy. She lost her husband. Therapy because she remembers everything or she's fucked up. She's fucked up. She doesn't remember anything, but imagine waking up and you're sore down there and everywhere. You know something happened to you.

You don't think nothing happened, but what the heck happened? And I'm sure there's a lot of self blame because how could you let this happen? How could you just not remember what happened to you? Why can't you freaking remember it? And like you probably get really upset with yourself. And so you know another quote that I found very interesting was that he says this forced into this is kind of a hard pill to swallow for you guys but just so you know I don't believe a single thing you're going to say. Whatever you do, whatever you promise, I don't believe it.

Girls promise me ransom money. They say, you know, their parents have money. They say, oh no, I like it. Just take off the chain and I'll do whatever you want. I kind of wonder which scam you're going to try to pull, but trust me, I'm not going to believe a single word. It's like the biggest nightmare, you know. It's like the biggest nightmare you know. It's like they end all your hope and...

Yeah. It's like they shut down any option that you might think you have in a situation where you already have no options. Yeah. And then he ends it with B Daw Sile, and obedient, and by all means... B what? Daw Sile. What's that? It by all means, B. What? Dawcile. What's that?

It's like calm, quiet. Got it. And obedient, and by all means, show some proper respect. And have a nice day. This is, this is some, I don't even think horror movie they do with this. Yeah. Damn. Okay. They do it this. Yeah, damn.

Okay, so now we're gonna bring in the other characters, okay? So he's doing this with his daughter and they start bringing in more people into their crew Which is kind of hard to believe but they do and so the first initiative was Roy Yancy He's this dude who was fresh out the Navy. He was, before he went to the Navy, he was part of the Sotainic Cult during high school. And they did highly organized crimes. They killed lots of people's pets, which is really weird. And police just couldn't confirm what the hell was going on with Roy Yancy. And so finally, he decides, I need to get my shit together before I get into some big trouble. So he joins the Navy and he gets out.

And he decides, I'm gonna walk this straight in there. I'm gonna go back home. And I'm just gonna just be by the book. So I'm gonna get a job. I'm gonna marry a woman. I'm not gonna fall into satanic cults anymore. I'm not gonna do any of that. And then he goes to a bar, any

boyfriend, someone by the name of Jesse, and they become best friends. And Jesse is into Satanism. She's kind of into it. She likes it. She thinks it's dark. She thinks it's part of BDSM. She kind of gets off on it, okay? And so they start bonding over it and really Jesse pulled Roy into the BDSM world. And they also meet another guy by the name of Kenneth Lee, who's 43 years old at the same bar. And he was kind of like their drug dealer. So they'd go to Kenneth's house and Kenneth would give them drugs and they would do drugs together.

And then one day Kenneth's neighbor said, oh God, what does that smell? What's that, do I smell that smell? And so they were like, I don't know what that smell is. And so they call the police and they're like, listen, I don't know what my neighbors are doing, but this fucking smell. They call the, yeah. They said listen 911, this smell.

And so 911 comes and they break into Kenneth's apartment where the smell was coming from and They're doing a wellness check and they see black candles. They see drawings of Satan They see bolts and screws everywhere and then in the living room. They see Kenneth Lee's body His stomach was cut open, and there was bolts and screws placed inside, and there was a doorknob that was lodged into his rectum. Oh my God.

Also, he's a nervous laffer. Sorry, I just feel like if you don't know him, he sounds like he's a serial killer. My fiance right now, Mr. Ring, about a bitch, but he's a nervous laffer. Yeah. It's just very graphic, you know? Yeah. Yeah. It's like a world of just, anyway. Yeah, true kind of a wild world. Yeah. And then the crazy thing is that the police ruled this a suicide. These police.

The fucking police. And so that kind of ended there. Nobody really brought times back to Roy. They never brought it back to Jesse and then back to David Parker Ray. The police were just like, it must be a suicide. I mean, what do you think they did that to him? What do you mean? Why did they kill him? They like killing people, it seems. a suicide. What do you think they did that to him? What do you mean?

Why did they kill him? They like killing people, it seems. Oh yeah, they got it. Yeah, those two are weird. So David Parker Ray is more into assault. It seems like Jesse kind of likes power control. I think she mainly facilitated this as a way of making Roy someone that has to be with her.

Because if you guys do this together, you know, it's like this big secret that you guys have, this big connection that you guys have. Does she like him? Or? It seems like they were on an off-dating. And so then Roy gets a call on day. And he picks up and says,

X-girlfriend, Marie. And they were really close at the point that they were dating. Like they were really, like they ended on good terms. Like they weren't like the type that which is shady exes, right? And she calls and she says, listen, like this is so embarrassing, but I'm homeless and I'm living in a tent right now on the shores of Elefine Pee Lake. And I just like, I don't know what to do.

Just wondering what you're doing. And he said, oh, I'm not really doing much. And he said, but I can't really help you, but I have some drugs. And she said, really? Do you share them with me? I don't have money. He says, yeah, you may not go out front, of course.

So she says, oh, okay. Do you want to come pick me up? I don't have a car. So he goes, yeah, yeah, I'll come pick you up, where are you? And so he drives to Ellison butte Lake with David Parker, Ray and Jesse. And she gets into the back of the van. And she gets beaten.

And she wakes up inside the toy box. And she spent three whole days inside the toy box. And she spent three whole days inside the toy box. Now, was she released back to her tent? No, because Marie was a really loving soul. And there was a lot of people looking for her to the point where the police facilitated this huge rescue plan. They were searching all the relevant but like they were searching here, they were searching there, they were searching all the relevant but like they were searching here They were searching there they were searching this and they couldn't find her and that the local community was just Obsessed over finding Marie and so at this point they said we can't return her like what if she remembers

What if she remembers that the last thing she did was get into a car with fucking Roy and see and so they bring Roy in to the toy room the toy box room and They give him a rope Mm-hmm, and they said you know what you have to do and they clicked record And he strangled her and she died her and she died. So, the main reason they decided to kill her because she knew all of them personally. And people were looking for her. But what about, okay? Yeah. So, I think their plan was, if it wasn't that big of a commotion by the local community, they could return her and there's no evidence that Roy was involved. She said anything, he could be like, that's my crazy ex-girlfriend. She's psychotic, but because there's evidence that people were

looking for her for three days, you know, she is missing. And so he strangled his ex-girlfriend. Yeah. Insane. And then the FBI believes that film itself was sold as a snuff film. And so he strangled his ex girlfriend. Yeah, insane. And then the FBI believes that film itself was sold as a snuff film, which is a real life crime that's murder film. Yeah. Boy. Yeah. I'm going to drink some water because it's a lot of information to breathe in.

And also, speaking of snuff films hold on to this info while I drink water is that all of the recordings that they had of all the girls like the FBI uncovered hundreds of tapes by the way. All of their faces and anything that they could identify these victims with were completely covered and they recorded a bunch of tapes. Like they cover it in real life. Yeah, so they couldn't find out who these victims were. And a lot of people suspect, the FBI suspects,

that a lot of the tapes were sold to people in the BDSM community. So this is one of those cases where this crime happened, but you also ask yourself the question How many people saw these videos? Yeah, yeah, for sure. Now income Cindy, Cindy, Hendy. So Roy and Jesse after the murder They moved away for like a year and they started living with some friends and they finally came back to elephant Butte. They just kind of ran away because they were kind of scared, right? Because Roy was the one that was connected to Marie. Nobody else was. And so if they just kept hanging out,

they just didn't want anything to happen. So they move away for a year and they come back. And they go to the same bar that they're obsessed with and they meet a woman by the name of Cindy. Now, Cindy was already a runaway from Washington state. So she had a rap sheet that was fucking long. Like it was just a long list of felony after felony after felony after felony and she was a wild child. She started dating both

of them. She started dating Jesse and Roy and they were kind of like a a threple and then somehow David Parker regates involved and they started having these parties that all four of them would attend and it was just a free for all like do whoever you please type of stuff so I'm on the floor yeah yeah and then eventually Cindy started developing some intense feelings for David okay and so she just really wanted to be exclusive with David. And so she moved into his house and she did everything like a beautiful housewife. So she started cooking, she started cleaning,

she started doing this. And everyone in the community, like the local community who still at this point have no idea that these people are just serial solters. They're just like, that's just weird. Like this family is a little weird. I think that he had his granddaughter with his daughter, but then now he's dating his daughter's girlfriend

and his daughter is dating a girl, but now he's also dating the, like, could you just imagine? Like, that would be the talk of the town. And so people thought it was just so freaking strange. And David felt like Cindy was an equal, not in the sense that she's that twisted, not in the sense that she's just as crazy,

not in the sense that she's just as sadistic, but she had this thing in her personality where she just wanted to please. And so she could be perfectly molded into who David wanted his significant other to be because he had really no big ideas of her own. She really didn't have any moral code of her own where she was like, whoa, David, that's too far. I'll do this, but I'm not doing own. She really didn't have any moral code of her own where she was like, whoa David, that's too far. I'll do this, but I'm not doing that. She didn't have any of that. She just was like, whatever you want David, like I'm down. And so he would kind of seduce her more and more into liking these dark, dark things. And he didn't really necessarily want Cindy to be

one of the slaves. He didn't want her to be a victim of the toy box. He wanted her to be a facilitator, to be someone who in his mind benefited from the toy box. And what does that mean? So she would get pleasure from the quote-unquote slaves. Yeah. Meaning she will also be a part of the torturing group? Yeah, she'll torture them. Uh-huh.

And later in the audio tape, he changed the audio tape to when Cindy came around. And it said things like, you know, you call her mistress. And mistress likes oral stuff like ten times a day. And you have to do that. Yeah. Yeah, really gross. And before all of that, before she really became a facilitator, he had to test her. He said, listen, I don't know if I can trust you.

Like, maybe you say you're bad and shit, but can you really run with us? Like, are you actually bad? And so Cindy, one of her close friends from Washington was getting married. And so she's like, okay, listen, I have to go out of town for a wedding. I'm gonna be gone for like three days, not a big deal. And he's like, that's a big deal to me. Like, how do you expect me to live? Yeah.

As a boyfriend, like, I'm just gonna be so unsatisfied for three days. Like, you think that's fair? And so he's like, how can you leave me depraved for three full days? And so she's like, oh my god, you're right. I didn't even, I didn't even think about that. And so he's like, why don't you go find a girl for me? And so she's like, for three days, and he's like, maybe three weeks, maybe three weeks. So at that point, does she know what's going on?

Yeah, she knows what's going on. Yeah. And so she's like, I go find the girl myself. And he's like, you do it. And so she's like I go find the girl myself and he's like you do it. Okay, and so she says okay And so she finds a prostitute brings her in and he leaves an 18 page and no an 18 step list of things she has to do to the girl It's really intense He was really really thorough with his list and it was really intense. He had he even put in rules to verbally abuse The girls he said while you're assaulting her you have to say you dumb bitch

You slut. I don't know why I feel so uncomfortable saying those words all of a sudden Like I say those to my friends endearingly all the time like you dumb damn it, but like suddenly I can't say it, suddenly I'm like, oh God, that sounds so intense. And they were like written into specific steps. And a lot of these were just so freaking gross. Some of the steps included cutting down there. It wasn't gonna kill them, but it would inflict a lot of pain. And they said, the first day that you can have a girl, always elect your shock them, because it just,

it takes away all of their will to fight. And they become so much more just bland after they don't fight you as much. They said, the first day is so important when you can have a girl, because you never want to give them enough time to collect their thoughts. So for the first many hours, the most important thing is you have to keep abusing her aggressively. And she's going to struggle a lot because you're abusing her aggressively. And then she's going to be exhausted. And that's when the fun starts. Oh my God.

Yeah, it seems like she doesn't like, like even in the updated audio, he says, if it were up to the mistress, we would keep you forever until the rest of your life. But I think variety is the spice of life, is what he said. So Cindy is the type that's like, listen, why don't we just kidnap one girl

and keep her forever as a slave? Why do we have to keep getting new girls? It's just so much riskier. Like I don't wanna get caught by the police. But he was like, now that's boring. Got it. But like imagine that being your husband. Like I dare a man that I'm dating

to look me in the face and be like, I don't think great, regular people at all. I mean, but like, I just can't believe that she, it's so hard because she later when she gets caught, she makes it seem like David roped her into this. He just convinced her into this life. But then like, I don't know, like she wasn't that young. To me, it doesn't make sense.

To me, I don't think I don't know. So that's the biggest question people have. Are these people victims? Because even the daughter is the daughter of victim. Or not. Is Cindy a victim or not? Cindy and David one day, they decided to go to Albuquerki. Now this is going to be where everything down falls, okay? They go to Albert Kirkki and they want to look for their next victim. So they start talking to a local PIMP and they agree

for $30 in exchange for services. So they're waiting in the van and they see the prostitute approaching. Her name is Cynthia. From now on on I will refer to her as Cynthia. And so Cynthia approaches and she enters the rest of the van. And for some reason David decides, you know what, I'm just gonna fuck around. I'm gonna tell her that I'm law enforcement and I'm here to crack down. And so she gets scared. He thought that she'd be like, okay, okay, it's fine. I'm just gonna cooperate, you know, and she gets scared And she tries to run but she's overpowered by Cindy and David and she wakes up in the toy box And she's tortured she goes through the same process. She listens to the 45 minute audiobook of

Just horrendousness. She goes through the same torture steps that they video record. And one day they said, hey, bring the quote slave into the house. Sometimes they do that. They have chains connected to their beds and they keep the slave chained on the ground next to the bed. Chief. Yeah, so that they don't have to keep, I don't know, I guess, like walking to the trailer. And she's chained to the bed and this was middle of the day the next day. She woke up and

Cindy was making breakfast or lunch or something and David was out of the house and she finds the keys to her chains Just out of reach like she could stretch and stretch and stretch and she'd be able to get it But she has to be super fucking quiet. Otherwise Cindy is going to come back and be like, with that, right? Yeah. And so she stretches, stretches and grabs the keys. Uh-huh. And just as she unchains herself from the bed, Cindy comes in.

Oh my. And there's a full force fight. So Cindy's fighting her. They're punching each other. They're grabbing each other's hair. They're throwing like trying to grab things around the room. And for some reason, there was a fucking ice pick. Okay. I don't know why. Okay. I know it's like New Mexico, but there was an ice pick. Uh-huh. And so the grab she grabs the ice pick. Who grabs it? Cynthia, okay, and she stabs Cindy in the head Cindy lives

But she stabs her in that head Uh-huh, and she tries to grab a phone and she calls an hour 911 Uh-huh, she's like no, it's too risky like either Cindy is gonna get up or David's gonna walk in so she hangs up And that's the call that 911 God right and she runs out of the house and she starts running and running and running and running. And I am sure the fear is immense because she probably doesn't know where she is. On top of that, it's broad daylight. She's butt naked. And third, it's like, let's say a car stops. Who's to say it's not David? Yeah. Yeah. And so she's running and running and running, trying to stop cars. None of them are stopping. She finds the closest trailer barges in, ask them to call 911 and they do. And so then the police decide, okay, this is not a place where coincidences

happen. This is not New York City where so many people are calling 911 at the same time. So when the police got the call, they immediately look into the first culture. Yes. And they show up. when the police got the call they immediately look into the first culture. Yes. And they show up. And they said, listen, we are a tiny little town of elephant puke. We need backup. And so they immediately call in the FBI. And so then comes 100 investigators from the new Mexico police force, the local police force, and FBI. No, freaking way.

Yeah. Because when you were talking about a woman chained up by the neck, like some shit's going down, like the saying no cute little crime, like the saying no. But still 100. 100. 100. Yeah. What?

Yeah. And this was, I mean, this wasn't immediately, but this was like slowly over time, like in like a week span. But they are resting already, by that time. Yeah. And so they're, I mean, they weren't, they didn't really put up a fight. It wasn't a climactic arrest. So they find Zendee, they find David, they find Jesse, they find Roy, they find everyone, and they arrest them.

Okay. And it starts getting really, really, really intense because there was, there was an FBI agent by the name of Patty Rust. And all the FBI agents, when they showed up, I mean, they showed up as a flock like a huge ass squad. Don't tell me he's the one that investigated him. No. Twenty years ago. She, um, her main job is that she's kind of like an inventory taker. Uh-huh. So at crime scenes, they collect all the evidence.

Yeah. But she's the type of person that will also sketch where they found that evidence in the room. Right. She's also the one that does detailed reports on where each piece of evidence was. And with something like the toy box, you mean you're talking about so much evidence, right? also the one that does detailed reports on where each piece of evidence was and was something like the toy box you mean you're talking about so much evidence right right so her and a couple FBI agents they walk into the toy box and immediately they're they want to like throw up it's just disgusting and then they see the tape recorder and the monitor.

And so they play a couple films and they said, okay, I mean, I think all of these are exactly what we just saw. So let's bag them up for evidence. And the minute that all of them leave, I mean, there was news reporters everywhere at this point, right? The moment that they step out of the toy box, one of them just projectile vomited, because it was just disgusting.

I mean, and also, mind you, when you talk about FBI agents, I don't know about local police force. I'm sure they see so much more than civilians, but when you talk about FBI agents, I mean, I think that they see the worst, the worst. Like you are talking about people on a daily basis

that seem like they are the definition of of they've seen some shit. Yeah. Yeah. And so one of them just project how vomited just like could not. Oh my God. That's the girl. No. Oh, because Patricia Rust, Patty Rust is her nickname. Patty Rust. She, she had a really big job to do. By herself, she sketched out everything inside of the trailer so that if they ever lost anything or that the defense attorney couldn't be like, oh that's not part of the evidence you guys didn't follow a protocol, she sketched every square inch of that trailer as evidence and spent five days in that trailer and then that night she flew to El Paso Texas is where her family lives. Yeah. And took her off her and ended her life. No. Yeah. Yeah, it was like that dark. I think that is just in itself just like how dark it is, right?

Yeah. I mean, she had like a family too, that she flew to to go back home. But I think I think it's one of those things they say that when you really see pure evil, because the other FBI agents, they know what happened, but they didn't sit there for five days, sketching it out, like looking at these scalples, these torture devices for five days straight and I just feel like if I saw pure evil like that for that long. I don't know how I would live either She still finished the job. She turned in all her papers before she took her life. That's number one. Yeah She didn't leave in the middle. No

Number two is I don't think I've ever heard any Suicide yeah In that scenario. Does that make any sense? Yeah, like I've heard of suicides from for different reasons, right? Like PTSD like after they leave the force Right, but this one is and I mean it's crazy because all of the evidence that she provided Help the case a lot and she finished it like she turned it in and

Then the videotapes turned it in. And then the video tapes. So the FBI, they still had to go through every single video tape. So she was in charge of sketching out all of the torture devices, describing, writing about them, putting in a full report of the toy box itself, right?

But there was a group that had to go through all of the tapes, which there were a lot of tapes and Every single tape there was nothing. There was nothing they could do. They couldn't find out who was in any of the tapes They couldn't find anything. They couldn't find a face a reflection nothing other than the thing they arrested They can use it But they want to find these victims. They either want to find these victims alive and tell them, hey, listen, this is what happened. And we're going to help you through it.

These are the resources that the government provides. We can put you in therapy, this and that. Maybe you can get some sort of restitution, even though it wasn't like David Parker Ray was very rich or anything, you know, but they want to find these victims. Or maybe they had gone missing. Maybe this is closure for the family. Or maybe they could find the body, right? Or maybe

they have found bodies and it's a Jane Doe closed case in a morgue somewhere and they just don't know it yet. But nothing, they couldn't find anything except one video. There was a video. Her whole face was covered, but she had a tattoo on her arm that wasn't like basic. It wasn't a basic like live your life, a dragon, none of those. It was a very, very blurry specific tattoo that they found. So they enhanced the picture of that tattoo and they released it to the public. They said, if you know anyone with this tattoo, you've seen this tattoo.

I mean, they sent it to like hospitals, morgues. If you see anyone with this tattoo, you know, and a woman comes forward because at this point, this is just global news. Like this is not something that's just like, hey, New Mexico, like have you seen this woman? Like this, everyone in the world is watching this. And a woman, they name of Cal Kelly Van Cleve, she comes forward. And she said, I spent time in elephant butelake. And I have three days that I don't know what happened to me.

And ever since those three days, I've had depression, I've had anxiety. I don't know what happened. And they said, My God. Do you know any of these people? They showed her the pictures of the four that were arrested. Uh-huh. She said, Oh my God, I know her.

I know Jessie. Uh-huh. I... This is what they found out happened to her. And Jessie even admitted it. Uh-huh. Kelly went to a bar and she had just married her husband and she was having really hard time with her husband. They were living with the husband's parents and it just was rough.

It wasn't like the newly wed life she was expecting. And so she starts bonding with Jessie who's around her age and Jessie seems really cool. And so Jessie is talking to her and then after one really bad fight with her husband one night, she's like, hey Jessie, can you just meet me at a bar? I just need a vet, I'm just so stressed. So Jessie's like, yeah, of course. And so she goes to the bar, they meet up and she has one beer. And it was drugged by Jessie. And so they end up staying till closing time. And she needs to go home, back to her husband's parents place where her husband is. And she just doesn't know how to get home, her ride had left.

And so Jessie says, well, you can stay with my dad and me. And she's like, yeah, okay, thank you so much. And so she gets into the car, she arrives at the dad's place, and she is held at knife point, drugged, wakes up in the toy box, and she's tortured for three days. Now, she doesn't remember anything that happened in those three days. Wow.

There are videos of what happened that she saw. She saw her own tape? Yeah. She wanted to of what happened that she saw. She saw her own tape? Yeah. She wanted to see what happened to her. And they dropped her off at her in-laws. And they knocked on the door. And David Parker raised, said, hey, she told me to bring her here. I found her on the beach wandering.

Like she seemed really drugged out. And her husband was like, what the fuck is wrong with you? You didn't even tell me you were going somewhere for three days. And the parents, that's not even her parents, those are her in-laws. They were just fuming because they thought she had gone on a bench, like a drug bench. And so her husband and no their marriage kicked her out of the house. These were the only people she really knew in the elephant but you like. And so she's kicked out with a few belongings she has. She is bleeding down there. She can't explain it. She has

all of these injuries. She feels pain on every inch of her body. And she doesn't know what happened to her. She's like, I'm not the type to go on a drug binge, but that's what everyone says happen to me. How do I not remember that? I would remember that if I, like, wouldn't I at least remember if I said yes to drugs? And then I forget every, like, I don't, I don't understand. Right.

And so then she's like, I just need to start fresh. So she moves to Colorado. She gets remarried. But even with her new husband, she doesn't know how to be intimate. So they have so many issues in their relationship in that department. And she refuses to let him see her naked. And he's like, why were married? Right.

And she's like, I don't know. I just don't want you to. Wow. And so she has these crazy nightmares all the time. And she started going to therapy a lot. And she just had no idea what was happening to her until the FBI put out that picture. Do you think by realizing what happened helped her?

Yeah. Because I think it takes away the self blame. But that's also so graphic and so traumatizing. I think so, but sometimes I feel like as, I don't know, maybe it's a personal thing. I feel like I'd rather know. I feel like for me, the unknown in my brain always gets darker. That's true. But also I feel like as a girl, you might blame yourself a lot and be like,

why did I, what did I do wrong? Like did I go to the bar to like, like, I shouldn't have gone to the bar. But it's not her fault that she went to the bar. It's these crazy people, you know? And so the four were arrested. David Parker, right? Jesse Ray, Roy andzie, Cindy, Hendy. And they were all facing 93 years in prison.

And so David, at that point, started saying that every single woman, including Cynthia, was a willing participant, they're all part of the BDSM world. Everyone in those videos that you saw, they loved it. Like, that's our lifestyle. Despite the fact that the footage shows that there's absolutely no consent. Like this footage is not the type of footage

where you're like, ooh, that's like 50 shades of gray. He he he, cute. It's like dark shit. Like I think the FBI can differentiate between an adult film versus true torture that I'm sure a lot of them have seen before. Yeah. And so they're like, that doesn't make any sense.

And on top of that, literally the audio tapes that we found that you played to all the victims, they don't, you literally say you're here against your will and you're not gonna like it one bit. Right. And so that's what- This is after the conviction? Yeah, no, this is when they get arrested.

And so then Cindy confesses because she's facing 93 years in jail. So she said David lured her into this stupid bondage fantasy. Like she still doesn't have any sort of remorse, guilt, or anything towards the victim. She just says he just lured me into this stupid world. And so she agreed to testify against David and she would tell all of the details of all of the crimes. And she would also talk about all of the crimes that he told her about that she wasn't a part of before she came into the picture.

And she said, by the way, you know Marie the girl you guys were looking for Roy killed her What girl the girl that they spent three days looking for Roy killed her And so then the FBI goes over to Roy's room his interrogation room and they say listen Tell us what happened and so he confesses he said listen It was David's idea listen like I swear to God and they said you killed her And he says, yeah, I mean, it's crazy because she wasn't dying fast enough. Like, I didn't know it would take that long. And yeah, I couldn't say anything because they said, if I told anyone, then they'd kill me.

Wow. Yeah. And so then they go to Jesse and they start telling her to confess. And she says, listen, that audio tape, that's all part of it. That's all part of the play. That's how we do it. And they're just like these people are freaking crazy. And so they all lawyer up. And I think at this point is when David Parker Ray realized that his daughter was in a lot of trouble because she's also arrested and she's also facing a lot of time in jail.

And so she goes, he goes to the prosecutors. David Parker Ray and he says, this is September in 2001 and he says, listen, I will plead guilty for 12 counts of kidnapping, criminal penetration and conspiracy to kidnap, if you let my daughter go. And they agreed. Why? There's so much evidence. And so Jesse walked away with time served.

So she probably only spent a year in jail. What? Roy Anci accepted a plea deal, and this was in 2001. So he spent 10 years in prison, and he was released on parole in 2011 as a free man. Cindy Hendy served half her sentence, never showed remorse, and last year in 2019, she walked away a free woman. And then Roy?

David Parker Ray. The police believed that he was responsible for at the lower like the most conservative scale 30 people, but more than likely 80. Death. Yes. Never convicted of any murders. What? Cindy Hendy even said to the FBI that they killed at least since he told her that he killed at least one woman per year since he was 14.

But they never found a single body. They couldn't even find Marie. They threw them into the pond. They think that even some of the women they witnessed being murdered. Because there were some women in the tapes that they were abused beyond what the FBI believes they could have survived. But because again, no identification, nobody, there's no evidence that they were murdered. It's just professional knowledge, but that can't serve as a conviction. And so he was sentenced to 223 years in prison. And so the day that he was formally sentenced to 223 years in prison, he walks into his jail cell and he dies of a heart attack. So he served less than one day of his formal sentence. What did he mean, heart attack?

He had a heart attack and died. The first day of his formal sentence. Seriously? His day one of 223 years. Do you think so? That's what happened? Yeah, I mean, there was no one that seemed like, yeah, it's not like a Jeffrey situation. So that's not funny. Okay, what? And so every

single person but David Parker Ray, I mean in my head and a lot of people's had he walked free too because he didn't really get the punishment. But everybody else that was alive, they all walked free right now. They're all walking free right now. They're all free and They all combined they served around 34 years time in prison together Combined that's not each person spent 34 years. It's a combined total of around 34 years time The daughter Jessie is out there. She never served. Yeah. I mean, she spent some time in jail before the trial. And that was considered time-served. She never sent, she never like got any sort of charge.

So she's probably walking around with like a clear rap sheet too, like not. She's like literally, they're literally devils just walking around. Yeah. Oh. What happened to her, do you know? No. They're all been laying low. They are literally devils just walking around. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Oh. What happened to her, do you know? No. They're all been laying low.

Royancy was rumored to have like a Instagram at one point. I don't know if it's still up. Yeah, they're still out and about. So it really makes you think like who you run into in life. Right. Before Yancey is still living in New Mexico in the city called Truth or Consequences. That's a city name. Truth or Consequences. Yeah. Well, I guess. But he didn't face any consequences. Right. So he chose truth and no consequences. Yeah. I don't even know what part of this case makes me the most angry the most

Mindblown the most annoyed and irritable. I don't even know like usually with the case There's that like one moment where I get super emotional and I'm like This is I'm so angry But this is just like from the beginning to end I'm just like tense my muscles and my stomach are clenched and I just feel anger. The biggest shocker to me was the suicide. Yeah.

I mean, a professional FBI agent that does this for a living. Mm-hmm. And she was experienced. It wasn't her first day on the job. And that was her job for a really long time. Like, she was the one that did that. Wrote these reports, detailed all of that. This is dark.

Yeah. Like this would have been way too dark to do in a mug bag. Oh yeah, no. Yeah, like how can I sit there and like slip a noodle and be like, anyway, so in this box. So I hope you guys enjoyed our first podcast. I feel almost weird starting our podcast with something so dark and not light and funny and cute, but I mean that's kind of what this podcast is for because you guys were asking

for the darkest of the darkest crimes. Yeah, you crazy bitches. So I hope you guys enjoyed today's podcast. We will be back in a week with another dark podcast. Maybe even sooner, depending. So, I will see you guys in a couple of days. Please stay safe. Bye.