Rotten Mango - #11- Sex with Severed Heads (Serial Killer Ed Kemper)

Episode Date: August 19, 2020

The title is NOT a lie. This serial killer is into having sex with severed heads. For some reason he doesn't like it when the head is attached to the body.  One of the nastiest necrophiliacs I've researched.  *Necrophilia [noun] sexual intercourse with or attraction towards dead bodies To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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What's going on babe? You little nervous about sex with severed heads, some neck refilia, got you all creeped out or whatever? Honestly, it's really creepy. So what I imagined was a dead person's head, saw it off. Yes. An oral?, yeah, absolutely. That is precisely what happens in today's story multiple times quite I add with his mother. I mean, it's weird. It's weird. His mom's involved But before we get started, I just want to talk about something really quick. This is not sponsored But I want a neon light. I want a neon light so fucking bad I saw Kendall Jenner had a neat neon light in her in her family room and I have always wanted a neon light so I'm like okay what do I want on this neon light I've wanted it

this for weeks before I even saw Kendall Jenner's little thing right and I was thinking I like I like initiating plans Z there's a meaning behind it it's not just a random it's not just out of nowhere I really dove deep into my fucking visco girl soul my basic bitch soul and I dug this shit out and I was like initiating Plan Z exclamation mark because my life literally never goes according to plan. I have plan A I have plan B. I have plan C and normally I'm a planet out of spits like if we go on a vacation I'm the one that plans that shit, right? And I always have backup plans and always a plan will continue to fall. And you know what now that I'm saying this out loud I think it's just I need to have better plans,

but that's regardless right? Anyway so I'm like okay initiating plan Z it's like really cute because that means we've done plan A through Y and now we're on to Z but guess what it also symbolizes that we never give up. Woo! And so he's like, Plan Z. Like really? I mean, it kind of sounds like Plan B and I'm like, no, nobody, this is completely original. I'm an original queen. And I was like, okay, well, just in case before I pay a bunch of money for this neon sign to go up in our bedroom, facing our bed. Let me just Google Planie and make sure it's not something weird. I Google it. And it says, Plansie was the name given to the planned re-equipment and expansion of

the German Navy ordered by Adolf Hitler. Woo! Yeah. So I was a couple. So she ordered it? No. So there's a couple hundred dollars away from getting canceled without even knowing it. I would have no idea that that's what plans he meant. And then I came across this great idea. This is why we're doing this week's story because I have known about the serial killer for quite some time.

I mean, he has always been on my radar. He has always been one of the most, I would say complex criminals that I've ever even researched or even read about or even thought about. I mean, he is just so intensely complex. And for some reason, he's so smart, so manipulative, so complex as a person that I'm scared to even talk about him while he's alive in a California state hospital or state prison, right? He's alive. He's alive. I mean, he's gonna to send the rest of his life in jail, but he is in the same state as me.

And for some reason, even though he's behind bars, just talking about it makes me a little bit nervous. So the reason that I bring this up is because I kind of wanted to get this on a neon sign and my fiance is so against it. It's a quote from today's criminal, today's serial killer. And it's, I just wanted to see what it felt like to kill grandma. So he a grandma killer?

Yeah, he a grandma killer. He really be that. He really be doing all of that. I want that in a neon light and I want it in our bedroom. And he does not like this idea. I like this idea. I think it's interesting because hear me out, hear me out. I'm not glamorizing the serial killer. I'm not saying, oh my god, he's so smart. Like, I stand him. I think it's interesting because hear me out, hear me out. I'm not glamorizing this serial killer.

I'm not saying, oh my god, he's so smart. Like, I stand him. I'm gonna send him letters. But I'm just saying, I think it's really interesting because I mean, there must have been so much that happens before he says this quote. Like, nobody wakes up born out of their mother's womb, peekaboo bits, hello world. I just want to shoot grandma. Nobody, I mean, nothing I know of, is born like that every criminal is made and I'm so

interested in like the childhood and the psychology of these criminals that I just felt like this would kind of be something to look at. But then we could just never invite any of our grandmas over so we decided against it. So, is he killing his own grandma? He's killing everybody. No, it's weird is he killing his own grandma? He's killing everybody. No, it's weird because he kills his own grandma. And then he doesn't kill any more grandmas. Oh, that's it?

Yeah, he just wanted that one grandma. So whose head was that? Oh, there's lots of heads. He's a serial killer. There's about eight heads. No, ten. Yeah, ten heads. Okay, so let's start. His, ten. Yeah, ten heads.

Okay, so let's start. His name is Edmund Kemper III. He has a very fancy name, but he's not a very fancy person. His childhood, he's born in Bourbon, California, which is very, very close to us. He's a middle child and an only son. And I feel like for this story, it's kind of important that he's the only son, right? And his mom's name is Clarnnell. Clarnnell Elizabeth Kemper, very fancy

names. I wish I had a fancy name. And then his dad's name was Edmund Kemper, the second. Now his parents had a complex relationship. Before we can get into the birth of Clarnel pushing out this 13 pound weapon baby, we have to talk about the parents. I mean Edmund the dad and Clarnel, the mom, they had an intense relationship. So the dad, he was a World War II veteran, but all ties together with plans, the, I guess. Right, so he was a World War II veteran,

and after the World War, he decided to go to this martial island area where he would then test atomic bombs and nuclear weapons for the US government because after the war, the US government was like, fuck, we need more of this shit. And so he joined the government process of helping them test. I mean, this is gonna be a really stressful job.

This is not a walk in the park. This is not working for some government office in DC. This is gonna be really intense, right? And so after he finishes that occupation, he decides to move back to California and he becomes an electrician. Now, he became an electrician because he has the needed requirements,

but also imagine this, you're a veteran, you were testing nuclear weapons, do you really wanna just do something crazy? You probably just wanna kinda lay low, have a family, and live a normal life, whereas normal as it can be, right? And his wife was really not about it. She was like an electrician that's so basic. That's not prestigious at all. I can't even go around telling people that you are

testing nuclear weapons for the government. I have to tell them that you're putting up light bulbs in someone's house. Like this is disgusting. And she was approved. She was a very mean person. Now it's speculated that a lot of people who studied the psychology of Miss Clarnel believe that she had borderline personality disorder. But what we do know is fact is that she was a raging alcoholic. And the dad Edmund would even say, listen, and this is not in a cute way. Suicide missions and wartime and atomic bomb testings were nothing compared to being married to carnell and I don't think he was saying it in like uh-huh my wife's a little crazy way right

and he's I believe it you're a little too quick on that one no you should wait a little bit no I believe it you believe it he's like I, Carnell, he even said that she affected him more than the 396 days that he spent fighting on the front lines of World War II. So these are some powerful words by a powerful veteran. I mean, that's how evil Carnell apparently was. She births three children, a daughter, a son, which is Ed, we're gonna come, Ed, he's the main person of today's story, and then another daughter. Now, Ed was a whopper baby. He was 13 pounds when he pushed out of his mom. I mean 13 pounds

is intense. I think average babies are like seven pounds, so imagine double, double, like two times a regular baby. I think, okay, so my Google this, I was interested. I was like, okay, what is the magic number? How big can I push out of my uterus? And apparently, the biggest baby ever born on record was 22 pounds, but then died 11 hours afterwards. And then after that, babies that actually survived in good health, the heaviest was 19 pounds.

19, yeah. So 13 is a, he's a big wapper boy. He ends up becoming almost seven feet tall and 300 pounds. So this is big head I mean that was his nickname was big head. He was a giant and so his DNA was Determined. Yeah, that he was going to be a father of a Wapper baby. Yeah And the car now was just not nice time. She was scared to cuddle him. She, yes, he came out as a big baby, but at the end of the day he's still a baby. He needs love, he needs affection, he needs compassion to grow up to be a well-adjusted adult, right? Well, she was scared to do all of that because she was scared it would turn him gay.

She was scared that showing him too much affection would turn him gay. So obviously, a car now is a wonderful wonderful logical woman with just an amazing brain. I'm saying this all supersarcastically. I don't even know how that would even make sense in one's head, right? Yeah, but he still ends up growing up super intelligent. He had an IQ of 145. He was considered to be one of the most, I would say, complex and intelligent criminals. Yes, we've talked about the Unibomber who had a much higher IQ of around 160, right? But the thing with Big Ed was that he was scaryly self-aware.

So it's just crazy when you have some. I think there's a border line of when you cross our IQ. You don't even understand average people anymore, I feel. Yeah, that's the problem with the Unibomber. Yeah, he's like so out there. He thinks he's talking to like ants. Yeah. But with this guy, 145, that's scary.

That's just smart enough. Yeah. To do some crazy shit. Like the Unibomber, when you see his interviews, I mean, you see that he's so intellectual, but you also see a side of him that's like, okay, he seems a little bit cuckoo Like he seems like too much of a I don't want to use such a nice word for someone like him But kind of like a visionary like wow, he's got some crazy ideas He doesn't like normal life. He wants to change the whole fucking world and shit

But then with him you just got a genius serial killer, which is I think scary right with no purpose So growing up he has a couple near-death experiences. He has an older sister by the name of Susan. Now, Susan seems a little suspect, OK? I was just trying to. It wasn't really not. Little... I was trying to be like, Susan, the suspect, but it didn't work.

And so she's the older sister. So she's the older sister. And she decides that she's going to try to push him in front of a moving train, and it almost works. But he doesn't fall onto the train track, so he ends up living. But it was a near-death experience. It wasn't one of those dramatic experiences where like oh my god there was a fire in California and like last week I was in California like not one of those.

It was like a genuinely I don't know if they were playing around or if he had done something to her. It's very unclear. And then again she did it once more when she successfully pushed him into a pool and now this big heavy dude could not swim so he was he almost drowned before he was saved. So it was really intense. So she started doing all of this. Now I don't really think Susan is the bullet like to blame for all of his behavior. I think mainly it's his parents, primarily his mom, right?

And maybe something he's a little bit born with. Maybe it's Maybelline. I don't really know, right? So the mom is for sure crazy. Oh, the mom's nuts. Yeah. So yeah, wow. So we're going to start with her psychotic, her his psychotic behavior. So he starts displaying lots of these tendencies. The first thing is he would get his little sister's dolls and he would start removing the hands of them and removing the heads in the lab or at ways. So it wasn't just like, oh pop,

like I popped the barbees head off, but it was like, I'm gonna try fucking lighting a knife and then putting the knife like this heated knife on to her see if I could get like a nice cut edge. All of these things, like super elaborate and he would just keep doing this to his little sister's dolls and he was experimenting with death and sexuality while he was doing this.

But he didn't even really know it because he's like what eight years old, right? So his parents see this and they're like, whatever, he's just growing up, he's doing this, but he didn't even really know it because he's like what eight years old, right? So his parents see this and they're like whatever. He's just growing up. He's a boy He's he hates being surrounded by dolls. He wants to ruin things That's what boys do when they're young, etc Like that old-end day talk of like boys lovey boys, and that's what his parents did So he continued to do that now second grade hit comes and This is where it gets weird. So he ended up stalking his second grade teacher to her house.

I mean, I don't even know, like I had no freedom as a second grader. I don't know how he had the freedom to do this, but he would walk to the second grade teacher's house and he would watch her through the windows while he was holding a BNA, which is like, it's a knife that's used in fighting situations. So it's different from a kitchen knife.

It's not like he got a butter knife or a bread knife But he got his dad's bayonet and these are primarily known to be able to be fixed onto rifles So it is again known to be used in fighting situations So the second graders just walking around with this and he's watching her like a little peeping Tom like a peeping Tommy Because he's in the second grade through the windows What is he doing with that knife? I guess maybe he was worried if he gets caught. I mean, I don't know.

He's not trying to hurt her. Maybe he wasn't. So it might be a situation where he doesn't have the balls yet. Well, I guess the balls is the word word, not a good word to use. Right. So right now he's just being very creepy. Yeah, very creepy. Yeah.

So it hasn't gotten to the point yet Where he's like this is my this is my victim. I have you know spotted a prey type of situation. It's a eight-year-old kid Yeah, I know it's so creepy I mean it really makes you wonder like what would you do if you're a parent and you found out that your kid was doing this stuff Because I see so many stories where the parents don't really do much and I'm like I don't know if I could do that. I don't know if it's because I read too much shoe crime that I'm like Oh my god criminal. I see it. You're gonna grow up to be a criminal Let's fucking do something about it or if I would just be like oh no like they're just going through some shit It's weird. So he stalks a second grade teacher and his parents don't really say anything about it

His older sister Susan though, however, she does say something. She says, why don't you try to kiss her? Because you know, she's like a little girl too. And he says this in quotes, which is creepy. She says, if I kiss her, I'd have to kill her first. Which I feel like we've heard that quote a lot, which is like, oh, if I kiss her, then I'd have to kill her so that she doesn't like tell people or something.

Does that make sense? Kind of. But this one's weird because of like the arrangement. I'd have to kill her so that she doesn't like tell people or something. Does that make sense? Kind of. But this one's weird because of like the arrangement. I'd have to kill her first. And because it's so similar to things that people say, I feel like maybe Susan wasn't taking a bag by it because it doesn't sound like he genuinely wants to make out with a corpse, does it? So what is this boy's logic? He wants, he, it seems like he likes dead people. Yeah. That early on. Yeah. And then he started playing some weird-ass games.

So what games did you guys play growing up? I feel like I played some bullshit games like hide and seek. Oh my god, I played House all the time. It was the worst when I got bullied by a group of girls and I had to play the dog I was always the dog Yeah, yeah anyway Hold on let me take a crying break If Sinuses okay, he did not play house. He did not play these things. He was like hey sisters

Do you want to play gas chamber? I'm laughing, but I'm not laughing. He was like, hey, sisters, do you want to play with the electric chair? This was his favorite game, so they would take turns blindfolding each other. And then the other sister, or like, he would pretend to press a button or pull a switch. And then the person that was blindfolded and tied up to a chair would like like pretend to have a seizure and then tumble over and then pretend to die like execution style. Yeah, I mean I don't know. Oh my god, these kids are scary.

Yeah, yeah, it'd be very alarmed if I saw my kid playing a game like this. If they were like, Mommy, like do you want to play gas chambers with me? I'd be like fuck outta here, you're not my kid. I don't know you, I'm not your mom. Um, I're not my kid I don't know you I'm not your mom um I'm just kidding I wouldn't abandon him or her and then he was like you know what we could do something else too we could get these rugs and we could roll each other up in these rugs and pretend to be dead bodies and so they would do that so it seems like he just had a fascination with dead things and dead people and just dead dead dead he fucking loved dead and the two Sisters are playing along though. Yeah, because I mean I think they're just bored

These were never their ideas Okay, because you know his sister's didn't really I don't know if they grew up to be nice people I don't know if they grew up to be healthy people But I know that they grew up to not be serial killers So I can only assume that this was his favorite thing to do, right? And then when he was young, he went to a magic show. Now this is going to really leave such a big impression on him because he, you know how it magic shows? They're like, come up, come up whoever you are and we're going to cut your

head off or cut your body in half. He, he, ha, ha. And then they have this big blade that just comes chopping down. And then you're like, oh my god. And then they separate the boxes and then they put it back together and then they do so, and then the girl is like completely full. And then they separate the boxes. And then they put it back together. And then they do so. And then the girl is completely full. And she did not get her head chopped off. And the magic show, he's watching it. And he's so enticed by this magician. And they're like, please, we need a volunteer.

There's this beautiful young girl who's like, oh, pick me. And pick me. And they're like, yes, little girl, come up down to the stage. And she's giggling. And then she goes into the box. And then the knife comes down. And're like, yes, little girl, come up down to the stage and she's like giggling, right? And then she goes into the box and then the knife comes down and then like, chop, right? He said that chop was the most exciting thing ever. He said the idea of chopping off a pretty girl's head was just something he could never shake since then. It's just something that he needed to do.

I'm not laughing, I'm laughing because I just don't understand psychology like that. How do you come out of a magic show thinking, yeah, I need to do that, but without the magic, like in real life, I want to watch your head tumble across the stage. That's what I need. I mean, it's just weird. You look pensive, bro. What's going on? I don't, I just don't understand.

He's so young. Yeah, he just wanted to chop chop chop, beautiful girls heads off. Now, of course, with every psychopath, I believe almost all zero killers that I've talked about have had issues like this, which are the cats, cue the cats. I mean, this is like a script now. Zero killers have something against cats. When he was 10 years old, he decided to get his cat. That's his pet. He gets his pet and he buries his pet alive. He buries his fucking cat alive. Now, when he was certain that the cat died via suffocation because it had just been buried alive, he digs the cat back up

and then decapitates the cat and then mounts the head onto a spike. What is a spike? Look at what it's stick onto the head, the decapitated cat's head. What the fuck is wrong with this cat? Yeah and then he helped do it again. He said, chomp chomp and I want to do it again. So when he was 13 years old, he that asked did it again. They got a new cat finally. After three years, they were like, OK, Eddie, don't fucking kill this cat, OK? So they get a new cat.

And he had a feeling that this cat liked his younger sister more. And he was upset by that. He was like, why would this cat not like me? Like, does this cat know that I murdered a cat before? I'm upset. And so he grabs the knife and he stabs the new cat to death. And then he just like dismemberes the entire cat hides pieces of the cat in his closet. Yeah, and his mom found it. Yeah. And what was the mom's reaction to all of these? She just constantly called him a weirdo.

She just was disgusted by him to the point where she did not want to do anything to fix him. That's where the big problem comes in. It's not even the fact that she was like, holy shit, my son, like, let me help you. But she was just like, what the fuck's wrong with you? And then we continue on with her life as if he was just gonna magically get better one day. And it wouldn't. Because her and her husband would get a divorce. Now, Edmund Kemper III was really close with his dad, Edmund Kemper II. And they were kind of like the only people that got each other, right? And then finally the dad was like, I can't do this anymore.

And he ends up deserting the family. He just leaves. And so his teenage years, he had to grow up with just his mom and his two sisters. They end up moving all the way to fucking Montana too. So they leave California, they go to Montana, he doesn't know anyone in Montana, he's got to make new friends. And it was hard to make friends because he just was going through a lot like psychologically He was going through a lot, but in his teenage years

I mean he was gonna grow out to be six foot nine and 280 pounds So he was like this towering giant and he was just getting bullied in school because they're like you're a giant But you can't hurt me beach, right? And he just did not like it so his mom also had a problem with him. And I really hate parents that do this. I mean, I feel like it's actually a lot more common, not just in zero killers childhoods, but so many people's childhoods.

The mom was so mad at her husband walking out on her that she constantly berated Ed her son because she would always say, you're too similar to your dad. You're just like your dad. No one will to your dad. You're just like your dad. No one will ever love you because you're just like your dad. And he's like, well, what's wrong with dad? And she would constantly say this and she'd be like, you're just a big weirdo.

And she would just berate him. And it started getting really bad because just when he was like 13 years old, he was forced to sleep in the dark cold basement. Because his mom said, I'm scared that you're gonna rape your sisters Now I tried looking into it and I can't say that there was intense significant evidence that there was a threat of him trying to rape his sisters It seems like it all so how to do with like his mom was just so paranoid about him I mean if he does murder cats,

I'd be pretty scared too, but I also just, I mean, that's a weird thing to say to a 13-year-old. That's your own kid. He's like, you know what? Fuck this shit. I'm over it. I don't like my mom. She's so mean to me. She still won't give me. I've tried everything. He tried to get good grades. He tried to do all of these to impress his mom,

and his mom was just like, no, you're weird. And you're creep, and I don't like you. And I don't want to give you too much love because then you're going to be gay. I mean, such weird logic there. And so he's like, fuck this. I'm running away to California. And so he comes back from Montana to California and he meets up with his dad and he's expecting this wonderful, beautiful reconciliation of his dad being like, I'm so freaking sorry. I left you guys like it wasn't you it was your mom Oh my god, I've been so miserable. I think about you every day and he was like this is gonna be a beautiful reunion But it was incredibly short lived because he meets his dad and he finds out oh my god

He's got a new wife and a new stepson and they're just having like a cute little family moment and I am an intruding on this Now he's ends up staying at their house for a couple, you know, weeks or months, right? And the new wife, she said she was too stressed. She said, listen, Edmund, my husband, your son Edmund is too stressful and I don't feel good about this. I don't feel happy and I need you to get rid of your son.

And so the dad was like, yeah, okay, got it. You got it, girl. And so he ends up sending him to live with his parents. So these are his paternal parents, right? That's where I'm at. Mm-hmm. The second rejection. So he had been pretty much rejected by his mom

his entire life. And then another rejection came when the dad left the mom and he had a moved Montana with his mom. And then the third redaction came when he went back to his dad and they were like, sorry, you got to go. And so he moved to North of Folk, California. And he fucking hated it. I mean, he hated it. He said that his grandma reminds him so much of his mom, even though that's, you know, the mom's mother-in-law, but just the way that they act, they're always degrading and amasculating him, and the grandpa was just delusional. Like, he had dementia, he was senile, is his quote,

he was senile, so it's not like he would even stand up for him, he just had no idea what was going on, so grandma was the only one left around to just yell at him all the time and he hated it, and so he started taking his anger out on birds and small animals. So he's like, fuck this, you guys live on a farm, I hate this farm, let me go around and just start killing things. So he goes around and his grandpa had actually given him a 22 caliber rifle, a hunting rifle. And he goes around and he's using this rifle to hunt down small animals. Now his grandfather seemed to be okay with it

because he's like, you know what, these animals were killing our harvest anyway, so this is actually great that you're doing this. So they knew and they supported it. Not the grandmother, the grandmother just didn't like it. She was like, I just don't like it. I mean, you don't seem like you're killing these animals for necessity.

It seems like you have anger issues. You're scaring me. I don't want you to have this gun. Your volatile, you don't deserve like you are killing these animals for necessity. It seems like you have anger issues. You're scaring me. I don't want you to have this gun. You are volatile. You don't deserve to have a gun. You're not man enough to have a gun. You don't even know how to kill an animal properly. You need to make sure they don't die of torture

because you shoot them the wrong place. They're just bleeding to death. You don't think you don't deserve a gun. And so she takes away his gun. And this will start a massive argument. I mean, he's just constantly arguing with his grandma. So when he's 15 years old, he gets into an argument with his grandma in the kitchen. And he just gets so full of rage that he goes to the other room and he grabs that 22 caliber hunting rifle and he shoots her in the

head and then twice in the back. Just like that, just like that grandma dead. 15? Yeah, he's a 15 and murdered his grandma. Just like that. Oh my God. It's crazy. And so then there's also reports that there was a lot of post-mart Mortem stab wounds with a kitchen knife.

So that means after he shot her, after she was dead, he went in with a knife and just stabbed the shit out of her Which means this dude's got anger, right? I mean he's angry now his grandpa's coming home from the grocery store He wasn't home at the time and he's driving up and he's like oh shoot. I got to go shoot grandpa So he goes out to the driveway and he gets that same rifle and he but shoots his grandpa in the driveway Now people will ask him like like, why'd you shoot your grandpa? Like was he mean to you? Like was he just as mean as your grandma?

And he's like, no, no. The thing is, I didn't want my grandpa to come into the house and see his beloved wife just dead on the kitchen floor. And then I thought that he was probably gonna have a heart attack anyway. So I just thought it'd be better if I just kill him too. He has no emotion. Yeah. He was just like, I mean better if I just kill him too. He has no emotion. Yeah.

He was just like, I mean, I think that that was better. Like almost as if like a pity murder is kind of how he made it seem like. And so right after he does this, he's killed both of his grandparents. He's 15 years old and he calls his mom. Oh my god. He's like, mom, what do I do? And the mom's like, fuck, I don't know. Call the cops.

If you're not calling the cops, I'm a call the cops. And so he's like, OK, let me call the cops. So he calls the local police department. And he says, yeah, I'll just wait here until you guys come and arrest me. And so he waits patiently until they come, and they put them in custody. And they ask him, why'd you do it?

Why'd you do it? And he testified. And he said said I just wanted to see what it felt like to kill grandma. I just wanted to know. Yeah I just wanted to see what it felt like to kill grandma. They were like what about grandpa again he says the same things that he doesn't want him to find out that his wife is dead. And so obviously, when you've got a 15-year-old that's just murdered his grandparents in cold blood, there's gonna be a lot of psychiatrists that can involved. So a bunch of psychiatrists jump on this

and they're trying to diagnose the shit out of him. And they say that in a way, this was him avenging the rejection from both of his mom and dad. I mean, that's the only way that it makes sense. His grandma's so similar to his mom. You know the grandpa, he likes the grandpa a lot more just like he likes his dad more but at the end of the day his dad never protected him, his grandpa never protected him from the

grandma or the mom. And so this was the psychiatrist opinion and they said listen we're gonna diagnose him with paranoid schizophrenia and this had more to do with the fact that they just didn't understand him. It had less to do with the fact that he was experiencing those things that a paranoid schizophrenic would experience. So they said, there's no way. There's no comprehensible way that a 15-year-old just wakes up and shoots his grandparents. So he must be a paranoid schizophrenic.

So they diagnosed him with that and they stick him into a California state hospital And this one was a maximum security convict hospital So these were mentally ill patients that were really just convicts like you couldn't go there and be like Hey, like I think something wrong with me like you had to commit some massive crimes to get there The doctors disagreed with the diagnosis the initial diagnosis that he was a paranoid schizophrenic They said that doesn't make sense because after we've studied him and after we've talked to him for so long, he has no interference of thought. He has no crazy delusions or hallucinations.

He doesn't necessarily even have any bizarre thinking. And so they said, we think that he has a different condition. So he is completely fine in the... Yeah, and honestly when you look at his childhood there's no indication that he had paranoid schizophrenia. Right. So they're saying that it's incomprehensible that a 15-year-old could do this. So they're saying he must have hallucinated a voice that told him to do it, you know. They're like, how that what? And so they actually diagnosed him inside of this state hospital for a less severe condition, which was personality trait disturbance passive aggressive type. So his diagnosis was personality trait disturbance,

but it was the category was passive aggressive type. You call that passive aggressive? I shouldn't be laughing. I ran up on it too because I thought that word usage was interesting because passive aggressive, like I know so many passive aggressive people, right? And I just don't really think that they would go out and shoot their grandparents. I'm like this makes no sense. And they said that the history behind a diagnosis like this is it usually stems in childhood.

So either they're bullied, they're abused abused or they have really shitty parents that are either alcoholic or you know drug obsessed and are not paying any attention to the kit. Now the reason that they develop this is they feel like in their childhood that they never have a safe place to express their frustration or anger which is really important. So when you're growing up and you're frustrated about something as a kid, even as small as like, oh my god, like the ice cream machine at McDonald's is broken, then you need to have a safe place

where you can complain to your family or your parents or to the adults nearby and that they'll let you do that and let you understand how to cope with that frustrated feeling. Otherwise, you hold it in and you pent it up. And then when you're an adult, you're like, fuck, I don't know what to do this like I've never learned how to deal

with feeling frustrated or angry or sad or anything and so this was the issue. Now it gets a little bit dangerous because as these children that were abused in their childhoods turn into adults they have lots of triggers. Now a lot of these triggers usually stem from three things conflicts about dependency so either they want to be dependent on someone so much and if there's a conflict

They're like well, I'm dating this person and he's so dependent on me like back the fuck off That will usually trigger them or vice versa. They want people to be dependent on them and when they finally find their independence They're like what the fuck or Control they like to have control them and when they finally find their independence, they're like, what the fuck? Or, um, control. They like to have control. So if there's any conflict about who's in control at that moment, this will trigger them far beyond what a normal adult will be triggered. And it could even get incredibly aggressive.

And then the third one is conflicts about competition. The issues that they kind of have, this personality type, is that they turn every bad feeling into anger. So think about all the negative feelings. So you have sadness, you have hopelessness, you have despair, you have discomfort, you have frustrated, frantic, everything like that just automatically goes into the anger. So they have happy and angry. They don't have, oh, I'm sad today or I'm down today, you know, they just have, I'm sad. So I'm fucking angry because I'm sad. Why am I sad? And so they don't? They're just angry people, right? Yeah, they're just angry and they usually lack empathy. They usually also use anger to gain power because that's when they feel the most powerful is when

they're in their angry state. So that's why you have a lot of people who like I feel like we know at least one or two people in our lives that love to be angry. They just like to be angry. They just like to be angry at everything. And it's just like whoa calm down. Like it's not that big of a deal. But they're like, can you believe it? And you're like, yeah, I mean I guess. Right. And so it also is the issue that they confuse anger with self-esteem. So something you might hear from this type is something like how dare they, when they get angry, it automatically turns into how dare they do that to me. So anger is like a powerful tool for them. So these are very, very angry people. So don't be fooled by the passive-aggressive label because they're pretty aggressive.

Now, if you're really good, which Ed was, he was also psychopathic, right? So he was able to hide this anger really well and be nice. And a lot of people in his personal life that knew him thought that he was a gentle giant. They said, listen, he's the epitome of a gentle giant. He's almost seven feet tall, but he's so sweet, so kind, not a bad bone in his body. Wow. Yeah. So he was a combination of that, which is very scary. Now, mix this in with an IQ of 145. You've got some shit that's about to go down. I mean, this is scary shit.

I find that, yeah, I don't know, it's just too scary. He's in the state hospital and he's a model inmate. Model inmate, just the best. He was so good, actually, that they said, listen, why don't we train you to kind of do some administrative work? You're gonna demonstrate the psychiatric test on other inmates.

So you're gonna give them the psychiatric test, make sure they're not cheating, and answer any questions they have because you're so good at shit like this, and then you're gonna tell the psychiatrist everything that they said while you return these test answers. Now this is crazy because this actually helped him

manipulate the psychiatrist at the state hospital because now he learns how they grade these tests and how they're done and how people are scaled. So he's like, oh, I just have to answer questions like this, or I just have to pretend to be this emotion when this happens because that's what they want to see as growth and well-adjusted and rehabilitation. That's why psychopaths are so scary. Yeah. It's so scary. And yeah, he was creepy. He would also be friend a lot of sex offenders at the state hospital and he got a bit of advice from them, which was, hey,

if you ever rape a girl, you need to kill them because that means there's no witnesses around. And I think Ed got a little bit twisted because what he would do is he would kill them and then rape them. So I digress, we will continue. So he gets released on his 21st birthday. He was only there for like six years, right? So he gets released on parole,

which means he still has to go back to the psychiatrist and they have to do check-ins, and they have to be like, are you okay? Like, do you want to kill more people? And then he's like, no, absolutely not. Why would I want to kill more people? Right? And so he's doing all of this

and he's really good at manipulating that, right? And it's insane that at 21, he's released against the recommendations by doctors to be released into the caravans mom. The doctors were like, listen, we think that he killed his grandma because the grandma was like an extension of his mom. Yeah.

But he really didn't have anywhere else to go. So they sent him, sent him back to the mom. Yeah, so the courts were like, send him to his mom. Woo! And so off to his mom, he goes. Now, the mom had remarried to somebody else and divorced and she was back in California and she was working at UC Santa Cruz, which is a college in Northern California. University of California College, right?

And it just was crazy. For the next three years, he's going to be living with his mom. He's going to be going to the psychiatrist. He's going to be showing proof of his rehabilitation. And then he asked three years later for his juvenile records to be expunged, which means completely a race and remove him. So if a cop tries to go in and look up his record, they're not going to see that he killed both of his grandparents.

Yeah, yeah. And this is what the psychiatrist wrote to the judge, which is if I were to see him today without knowing anything about his history. I would say that he's well adjusted. He's an intelligent man. He's no danger to himself or society and to give him more freedom as an adult to really develop his potential, I would consider it reasonable to have permanent expunction of his juvenile record. What the fuck? I mean, he seems like... So smart. Yeah, he got those um, psychiatrists in his palm. Yeah, Raptor on his little, well, big-ass finger. Probably. He got to play good.

Yeah, and he'll continue to play them. He's really weird. So then he decides, oh my god, now that I'm out of there, what do I want to do with my life? What do I want to be? The world is everything now that my records are expunished. I know. I want to be a cop.

So he's like, I want to be part of the police department. He ended up getting rejected because they have a height requirement and he was too tall to be a police officer. I don't know if like cop cars are too small, I don't know if it like, I don't know honestly what it has to do with. Yeah, but he was rejected because of his size. So it's very interesting and he was... But you think he also want to be a cop just so he can also scoop out. Yes, he says scoop out. Let me scoop out that bed in Jerry.

He wants to be a cop so he can scoop some donuts. What is it? Scope out? Yes, scope out. Right, don't you think so? I think so. And it's so scary. I think he also gets off on that feeling

because he ends up buying a motorcycle and driving around town like a cop, like a bad bitch cop, when he wasn't. And so the cops are like, nah, you can't join us, but you're cool, dude. And so they call him Big Ed. They nickname him Big Ed. And why would he have a nickname?

Do cops just hang out with civilians? I would say maybe maybe and maybe not, but he ended up trying to befriend them. Like, he would go to this place called the jury room and it was a local police bar hangout. Which is like, I don't know how to feel about that. Like, imagine you open up a bar and then it becomes a police bar hangout.

Do you feel safer because it's a police bar hangout or scared or what happened. And then like if the police leave your bar and they never come back, then would normal people, normal patrons come to your bar anymore? I mean, I don't know. I have so many questions.

If you own a police bar hangout, let me know. Or maybe you're like a retired police man and you open the bar. Is it just a bar that cops like to go? Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Like what if you just open up a bar and then randomly just every day, it's just LAPD in like to go? Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Like, what if you just open up a bar and then randomly just every day, it's just LAPD in there, every day up in that bitch

and you're like, fuck, dude. And then no normal people come because they're like, no, that's LAPD bar. Like, we don't want to go there. You know? I don't know how I would feel. I'd be like, I don't know. Do I feel safer or scared or uncomfortable?

I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. And yeah, so he would constantly go to the jury room as a civilian and just hang out with cops. And they would always deem him a friendly nuisance. So he's a little bit annoying, but he's friendly and he's nice and he's big-ed. So then he gets a job at the California Department of Transportation. And he really did this because he was just getting into so many bad fights with his mom. I mean, the neighbors were hearing these fights. again, you're thinking oh my god like this

This dude is fighting with his mom about some crazy shit like she knows she's finally bringing up the cats They're fighting about their abusive, you know childhood. No, like she would just yell at him about everything like it could be about a teeth cleaning Like she might catch her teeth claimed and then she's trying to fight with him Yeah, because she doesn't know how dangerous her son is like at all. I mean, well, I guess she should because he killed his grandparents, but she just treats him like whatever bitch go get a teeth cleaning and he's like, don't call me bitch and then they get into a fight. And his neighbors would complain and they'd be like, they were fighting about a teeth cleaning until like four in the morning, like what's going on? I mean, it's crazy.

And so he moves out and he gets engaged. Wow. Yeah. Now this is a very interesting engagement. I kind of find a lot about his engagement. And I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that his former fiance, um, requested that her name be sealed and not released, which I totally respect. And I believe she was also a student at the time.

So it didn't seem like they moved in together and did the exact stereotypically engaged couple of teens. Like it didn't look like they got a house together, they like got a dog together, and they were planning their wedding. It was like she was a college student, she just needs to finish college, she's living on campus, they're not talking much. And so anyways, he moves out. Now he still kind of get rid of his mom because I don't know why, his mom hates him, but she would constantly call him and then just like randomly visit him. It's a weird relationship, really weird.

And he would constantly run out of money, get evicted from apartments, and then he would move back in with his mom. I mean, it just was not a good thing. And then he ends up getting that motorcycle I was telling you about, right? So he's riding around in that motorcycle. And then he gets hit by a car.

Boom, it's car hits him. He's like, wow, my arm hurts and his arm was actually pretty badly hurt right? And he ends up suing the driver of the vehicle and wins about $90,000 for a settlement. Now with that $90,000, he buys a car and he's so excited. I mean, it's like a Ford, right? And so he's driving around in this Ford, looking like a bad bitch and he's like, what's up, bitch? Like, I got a car, do you got a car? I got a car. And he was driving around when he suddenly sees

an influx of what young female hitchhikers. I mean, I don't know. I need to look into that. Like, was serial killing so big back then because of the rise of hitchhiking? I'm sure there's lots of other things. I'm sure, I mean, I don't know. I feel like there's still a lot to this day.

We just don't know until it's concluded. You a child? No, serial killing. Today? Yeah. So, I mean, I don't think we have any like massive serial killers. It's like, oh my god, serial killer on the loose right now, like terrorizing this city.

But I do think there's probably got to be, I mean, I think they said there's like 2,000 zero killers active right now in the US. So I mean, but I wonder if it's because we have a piece together, all of their killings. Maybe we think that each individual one is just like an unsolved murder, right? But no, when there was head trackers, it seemed like it was very easy to kill. And what he would do is he saw all these young female hitchhikers and he was like, oh my god I got to get prepared so he buys a bunch of plastic bags plastic trash bags He's getting ready to kill. Yeah some knives and some blankets and he gets some handcuffs

And he stores them into the car and when asked why he said as a precaution I'm like whoa you are a seven foot three hundred pound man, and you see some female hitchhikers and you're like, oh my god, I'm scared, I got to get this as a precaution. It was just weird. Just the wording of it is weird, right? So he sees hitchhikers, he starts picking them up, these young females, and he had transported about 150 hitchhikers without killing them. He left them alive. It was a nice experience. He got to know them, would drop them off at their destination, they'd become friends, and then he did this about 150 times. Until, until he started feeling something. Yeah, he called it little zapples.

What is zapples? Like little zappies, his little weenie. Yeah, he said he felt these little Zapples and they were just like these intense sexual murderous homicidal urges. Yeah, he's like, I want to commit sexual homicide. Yeah, and he called them little Zapples. What is Nipples? Sorry. And so many. Yeah, he starts feeling this. And then these are when the killing start happening. Now his MO is pretty consistent. He was an active serial killer for around 11 months, which is really short. And he kept asking his mom to

introduce him to students. He wanted to make friends, he wanted to make, you know, some girlfriends, it seemed to like maybe he wasn't that, you know, a great fiance. And his mom was like, no dude, you don't deserve to get to know them. Like you're just like your dad, no woman's gonna ever love you, no girls gonna ever love you. And you better bet that your fiance, she ain't gonna love you when she gets to know, yeah, she knows yeah, that's why she thinks she loves yeah like shoes just really rude And so he starts getting mad and he's like you know what I'm gonna pick up students and while they're hitchhiking I'm gonna either shoot them stop them strangle them smother them and then I'm gonna take their bodies home This is there this is his ammo. We're gonna get into each victim, but this is his ammo, right?

Who take the bodies home and he would decapitate that. And then he does something called... I can't say it. He does something called... Irrumacio. Do you know what Felatio is? So, Felatio is kind of like the more professional term of saying a blow job. So, Felatio is arousing one's penis with a mouth, right? But,

umatio is when you thrust into the mouth. So, the urmati would be considered like assault. What kind of turns are these just like what they would use? Yeah, official terms, right? So, it means like, maybe consensually or non-consensually, they would thrust the penis into the mouth, right? So it is distinguished that it's not the ratio, but we're just gonna call it sex with decapitated heads for now. So he

would take the head off of the body, he would decapitate it, and then he would thrust into the mouth of the decapitated head with his weepy. Okay, sorry, with his penis. That sounded like such a... Yeah, disgusting. I don't think I've ever read stuff like this.

I mean, I maybe I have. If there is one other person that's weird. That's his apples. Yeah, that was his zapos. Did you say zapos like the shoe brand? Oh, what is it? Zappos Zappos yeah, okay. Yeah, that's what I said I thought you said zapos like the shoe brand. Yeah, that's what he wanted to do

So he'd sever the head thrust into the mouth and then he would toss the head to the side and then he would grab the headless body and then He would have sex with the decapitated bodies. He would partake in necrophilia with these decapitated bodies and then he would chop them up into small pieces and then get rid of them. Now necrophilia is interesting and I would say that I know a little bit too much about necrophilia to be comfortable with. I mean an alarmingly amount that I know. And I know it comes in a classification. Necrophilia is usually what you would say with sexual pleasure that you get from involving dead bodies, corpses, okay. Now there's 10 classifications of necrophilia. It's not just one. You would think it's one because of like that seems rare that seems not common

But there's actually a lot So the first is the level police or police psychiatrist court documents. They'll usually classified necrophilia So the first one is the smallest one which is role play which means that your your partner pretends that they're dead And you just fuck them while they're pretending to be dead, but they're very much alive So it's that's still considered on Negra Philea because you're getting off on the idea that they're dead. You're like, yes, be dead, play dead. Woop! And then so it's it's interesting. So that's not how you start. Yeah.

Basically, and some people never graduate from this phase. Some people are like, this is enough. Like the side of seeing a dead body would gross them out and they would throw up, but just the roleplay is something that they're into. So this seems relatively, I wouldn't say comment, but it seems acceptable. It's not illegal to do what you want with consenting adults, right? Now the second thing would be romantic.

This gets a little bit creepier. It's when people remain attached to their dead lover's body. They want to keep the dead body around so that they could continue to love the dead body because they love that person so much. Now this is distinguished because any other dead body would not be appealing to them, but it's because of that emotional connection

that they wanna keep their dead lover's body. Yeah, and then you've got the Necrofiliac fantasizers. Now this is a little bit different from role play and romantic. It's actually a little bit higher on the category list out of the 10. And it's usually that you have this fantasy of dead corpses. Like it's not even the partner.

It's not even role play. Like you want to fuck dead bodies. But you don't actually ever do it. So this is just a thinking. Yeah. So this is just thinking, but it's more intense than role play. Yeah Yeah, and then you have tactile which means people

tactile necrophilia is necrophiliacs who will go to a corpse a dead body and they just get off on just touching its face like just once or like stroking its hair, okay, and they will get off on that So just small touches. And then you have fetish, fetish necrophilia, which is people who will remove clothing or sometimes limbs from dead bodies. Like a finger, they'll take a finger of a dead body.

They will keep a body part. Yeah, just like a finger, yeah. Like they want to have a finger of a dead body. So these people, they're just obsessed with this corpse, this dead body. Yeah, like they want to have a finger. So these people they they're just obsessed with the This this this corpse this dead body physical It's very intriguing. It's very weird because you know in most true crime cases We talk about it. Everyone's like the smell of a dead body is something that you will never recover from

But these people are like no, yeah, no, I want to fuck it Yeah, they get turned on by that smell. Yeah, I I don't know it's just it's really I think this one is one of those things where it's hard to relate in any way oh shit what like how do a person get to that yeah stage there's lots of trauma remember that rushing guy we did a mukbang on on a YouTube channel that he like randomly got married to a girl while she was in her coffin because the parents were like We don't want her to be buried until she's married And then he was like forced to kiss her and then later he had an obsession with dead bodies He didn't like try to have sex with them per se but he had an obsession with dead bodies

Okay, yeah, and then you have per se, but he had an obsession with dead bodies. Yeah, and then you have mutile manics, which just means that they like to mutilate dead bodies while they masturbate. So they don't actually have sex with the corpse yet, but they will masturbate while they're cutting up a body. Very odd. Then you have opportunistic, which means they have absolutely no

interest in necrophilia, but when the opportunity arises, they will absolutely take it. Which this reminds me of Marilyn Monroe. Do you guys know what happened to her? Well, her body after she was dead was missing for a couple hours. And word around town, I don't know if it's true, I could look into it, maybe I'll do a video on it, was that there was a dude taking bribes on fucking Marilyn Monroe's dead body. What the hell?

For a couple hours, yeah. Disgusting. Disgusting. So that would be opportunist necrophiliacs, right? Then you have regular necrophiliacs and they prefer to have sex with the dead. They just prefer it. They don't necessarily like, you know, can't have sex with normal people. They just wish you were dead.

I know, I know, I know. And then now we're on category nine, which is homicidal, which is people who murder in order to have sex with the dead. That is their motive. And then you have exclusive necrophiliacs, which means people who only have interest in sex with the dead and cannot get a boner when you're alive. Like they cannot perform sexually with a living human being. And that's where he's at?

He's like going back and forth between 9 and 10. Oh my god. Yeah. Crazy. I would say he's more of a 10, but he's homicidal for sure obviously and it's crazy because I mean once you really get into this like area You see so many weird things. I mean they even categorize it. They categorize not just that but another thing Which is do they have sex with the bodies when they're cold? Are they destructive neckrophiliacs?

Which means they will mutilate the bodies, or do they only have sex with warm corpses, and do they try to preserve the corpses for further sex? Like there's so much, and you have to think, if you have to think that if there's that many categories for necrophiliacs, there must have been so many necrophiliacases. Yeah. Crazy. Now, let's talk about his victims. So his first victim and his second victim, at the same time were Mary Ann Pasque and Anita Luchessa. Now, he was driving around Berkeley, California, and he spots these two students that are hitchhiking

and they're from Fresno State University. And he's like, where are you trying to go? And they're like, we're trying to go to Stanford University. We're going to a party. We're going to go hang out, right? And he's like, OK, well trying to go? And they're like, we're trying to go to Stanford University. Like, we're going to a party. Like, we're going to go hang out, right? Uh-huh. And he's like, OK, what's a couple-hour drive? It happens the car.

I'll skrrskrr to Stanford University for you. So they're like, great. So they get into the car. And he was so good with all of the areas in Berkeley, California because he worked for the California State of Transportation that he knew all of these wooded areas. So he slowly rerouted without even them knowing

into a wooded area, and he immediately starts handcuffing them. So he handcuffs Mary, and this is what I think is so odd, that as he's handcuffing her, the back of his hand brushes up against her breast, okay? Like, while she's clothed, and he gets embarrassed, and he says, whoops, I'm so sorry. Like, almost just this embarrassed little boy, but minutes later he's gonna end up killing her.

I mean, it's just so weird. Uh, so she doesn't know how to even act around a light person. Yeah. And he hates girls, so it's weird too. So he has this hatred towards women because of his mom, but he also doesn't know how to interact with women. Maybe that's why he likes to do it when they're dead. Oh God.

And so he's like, whoops, I'm sorry. So he handcuffs Mary successfully and then he locks Anita into the trunk and then he stabs and strangles Mary and then Anita and then toss them both into the trunk. Now as he's driving back to his apartment, the police will actually pull him over because he had a broken tail light oh my god but that's it they didn't know that they didn't check his car they didn't search his car they didn't even think that he was acting weird that's crazy to me imagine you just killed two people and you're just like hey cop what's happened oh yeah that tail light I'll get it fixed like I I'm

frantic if I just get pulled over for nothing. I'm like, oh shit. Wait, so this is the first murder after the grandparents? Yeah, so technically in his lifespan these will be his third and fourth victim, but in his serial killing, his act of serial killing, it's considered his first and second, because he never was convicted of his, you know, it was expunged, right? They thought he was insane, criminally insane. So he returns to the apartment after the police is like, hey, get your tail light,

for X, he's like, you got it, dude. He returns to the apartment. His roommate's not home, that's crazy. He's got a roommate, he's got dead bodies and a roommate, and his roommate's not home. So he's like, cool, great. So he brings these two dead bodies into his apartment, and he starts taking photos of them while they're dead,

like posing them up, putting them on the bed, unclean them, taking pictures. And then he had sex with the bodies. Yeah. And then he dismembered them, and then he put the rest of the body parts into plastic bags, but the hands and the head. And he would toss the rest of the body parts into plastic bags but the hands and the head and he would toss the rest of the two girls bodies in abandoned like just near the mountain side in California and he would before he tosses the heads disposes of the heads I know tosses

is like such a bad word before he disposed of the girls heads he. He had oral sex with the two girls severed heads. Okay, so he thrust into their mouths while they were dead. I just don't understand. And then he would dispose of their heads near a local ravine. Now he is very strategic when he does this. Like I said, he's a smart cookie. So he would take off their heads and then he would take off their hands so no one could fingerprint ID them. And he would toss them in separate areas. So as of today, I believe only Mary's head was found and nothing else. Imagine Mary's family just being like, hey, we found her daughter, but we didn't find the rest of your daughter. Imagine Mary's family just being like, hey, we found her daughter, but we didn't find the rest of your daughter.

How is he so good at he just knows where he should dispose of? Yeah, he's just like, I'm just gonna do this. I'm just gonna do that. And I'm gonna get rid of the fingerprints because if you find a couple of limbs here and there and you can't identify it, then you can't look for where were they last seen, who were they seen with or there, and you witnesses, you know? Oh, that's so cool. So he separated all the parts so it's harder for them to identify. Where were they last seen? Who were they seen with her there? Any witnesses, you know? Because who even is this person? So he separated all the parts, so it's harder for them to identify. Yeah, because I think it's just dental records, face,

and hands, your fingerprint. OK. Right. And then his victim number three, technically victim number five, was a 15 year old dance student by the name of Iko Kuh. She was going to dance class and she missed her bus home She's in high school and she's like you know what I'm gonna hitchhike like now back in the day This was not like a crazy thing to do. It just was not like are you insane? I go it's like I'm gonna uber home

Like I'm 15 but I'm gonna uber home like that's kind of what it meant back in the day She decides to get into Ed's car and He drives her to another remote area and he tries to suffocate her. He tapes her mouth shut and then he sticks his fingers up her nose to try to suffocate her in that sense. And it just was not working because it takes a lot to suffocate someone. And so he pulls out his gun and he's like, you know what? I'm just going to shoot you. And then in the process of it, somehow he accidentally locked himself out of his own car.

So he's holding this gun. He's locked outside of his car. I go, this 15 year old is just sitting in his car and he's like, hey, can you like open the car door for me? And it's crazy because I know we're gonna judge, but we shouldn't judge because she was 15. She did not know how to drive. And he's holding a gun.

Like let's be real. He could definitely shoot through the car door. And so she lets him back in. And then he chokes her unconscious with a scarf. Now, this is the first time that I know of that he raped a girl before killing her. So he rapes I go while she's unconscious. So she's not screaming or anything.

She's knocked out. And then he kills her and then puts her into the trunk. And as he's driving home, he's like, you like you know what would be really good right now an ice cold beer so he drives to a local bar and he starts drinking some beers and throughout the night several times he'll go out back to his car and I'll be like guys I need to go get something from my car because he was like talking to some of the patrons and he would open up the trunk and he said it's like you're just admiring your catch like you know when you go fishing and you catch a big fish and you just look at it like damn,

that's a good fish. I got a good one. I'm so impressed with myself and my skill of doing this. He said that's the same feeling. And so he would go out open the trunk, look at Ike's dead body and just be like damn, that's a good catch. That's insane. Yeah. That's insane! Yeah, he's so scary. I mean his interviews are so scary too. He had some prison interviews

that I watched and he talks about murder like it's just picking up Chinese take-out on it Tuesday. Like just, yeah, so I mean I strangled her. I mean it's just so casual. Holy fuck. He takes her back to the apartment and he dismembers, there's neck or philly involved, he does all of that. And Ico's mom called the police, she put up hundreds of flowers, never got a response, no leads, and the police initially never even tied it to Mary and Anita. They did not think that this was a serial killer going around. They were just like, oh, Ico's high school, this is a random, right? And then you have the next victim

by the name of Cindy Shawl. Now Cindy, she was an 18-year-old and he was driving around a Cabrillo College campus that's in Northern California. And he was like, again in the car and she's hitchhiking and she's like, sounds great. So she gets into the car, he drives again to a wooded area, and he shoots her with a pistol. Now Cindy's gonna be very important, because we're gonna see that he gets a lot ball-seer. He gets a lot, his MO changes up a little bit.

Instead of putting her into his car and driving to his apartment, like he did with the other three girls, he decided, I'm gonna go to my mom's house. So he goes up to his mom's house, and he keeps Cindy's body in the closet hidden in the closet overnight. What? So then the next day the mom goes to work and he takes out Cindy's body from the closet and he removes the bullet because she had been murdered by a fatal gunshot wound and he starts dismembering her in his mom's bathtub with a

power saw and now once she was dismembered again of course he had sex with the dead body and then he had sex with the severed head and he said that he kept the head for several days so he would go out into isolated areas and he would dispose of her other body parts but he would keep the head in his mom's house for several days so that he could continue having sex with just her head. And he would say, but you know, why don't get mad? Don't get mad because I talked to that head. Like she was my wife.

Like she was my girlfriend. That girl was like, you look good today Cindy. He's saying that now. Yeah. Like he was like, no, I talked to the head. Like she was my wife. Like my girlfriend. Like's saying that now. Yeah like he was like no I talked to the head like she was my wife like my girlfriend like I talked to her. Oh my god. Yeah and then it gets creepier. So what does he do with Cindy's head now? Um that had been a couple days, couple days is a long time for a corpse right? Right. And so he's like I got

to get rid of the head. Ah, I know what I'll do. I'm gonna bury Cindy's head in my mom's garden. This is really hard for me to say, because I have a mom, and my sister's name's Cindy. I'm like, I'm gonna bury Cindy's head in my mom's garden. It's not funny. I don't know why I'm laughing. Okay, so he's like, I'm gonna bury Cindy's head in my mom's garden, say one more time, Stephanie.

Now this is where it gets weird. He bury Cindy's head, but he faces her head towards his mom's room. So her room's facing the garden, right? And he places the head so that Cindy's eyes, if they could open, they could look through the soil straight into his mom's room. So he angled it.

You want to know why? In quotes. This is his reason. In quotes. Because my mom always wanted people to look up to her. So he's doing this for the mother? More. More like a taunt. Ah. Like a ha ha. You want people to look up to you. So he's doing this for the mother? More like a taunt.

Like a ha ha. You wanted people to look up to you. Now you got a dead girl looking up to you. How do you feel now? Like kind of like that I would assume? I mean, he has no love for his mom. This is not like going to be a situation where he's like, Mommy, please love me.

And then she's like, no. This is like a situation where at this point in his life, he hates his mom. Maybe that was his childhood, but not anymore. He's sick of his mom. And so then she, he ends up throwing the rest of the remains off of a cliff. Now, to his surprise, he was freaking shook because within 24 hours, the remains were found. So they were located. Her head was obviously not found, but the rest of her body was. And they said that this was like a sick puzzle. This was disgusting. For the next few weeks, they had a bunch of doctors try to piece together Cindy's body again, but to that day, um, well until he was found, her head and her right hand were never found.

Wow. So they're kind of freaking out. And then you're going to have the next two girls. You have Rosalind Thorpe and Allison Liu, Liu, Liu, Liu. Liu. So you have Rosalind Thorpe and Allison Liu. So around this time, there was a lot of suspicion that there was a serial killer that was praying on hitchhikers. It was like going around town, everyone's like, holy shit, this is so scary. Like please students, if you're hitchhiking, be safe.

Which is kind of crazy because you'd probably be like, hey, don't hitchhike, but they're like, be safe while you do it. And so they told all of the students at UC Santa Cruz, hey, don't get into a car unless they have like license plates that have like, you know, the college license plates or the college stickers on it that only admin or like students can buy. Yeah.

So you know that if you're hitchhiking, you're getting hitchhiked by like an alumni or maybe it's a fellow student or like the parent of a student like somehow affiliated with UC Santa Cruz, right? Well, here's the thing. Like I said, his mom works at UC Santa Cruz. So what does he end up with? A UC Santa Cruz sticker. So he goes around, UC Santa Cruz and he ends up picking up Rosalind and Allison.

Now this day was different because he had just gotten into another fight with his mom. And he had left the house. So he's just gone into a fight with his mom, and he's mad. He gets into the car and he's like, whatever, affect this, like the next pretty girl I'm seeing, I'm gonna kill her.

And so he gets into the car. He picks up Rosalind and Allison. Now this is kind of scary and sad, but Rosalind, she was the first time to enter the car and he even said that it seemed like Allison was a little bit hesitant. Allison was 20, Rosalind was 23, and Allison was like, I don't know if we should hit track,

you know? And Rosalind was like, it's fine, like yes, let's take a ride, like it's fine. It's only like a short drive. Yeah. And because again, it was a short drive. He decided while he's driving to reach into his driver's side area, get his pistol and shoot them while he's driving.

So now they've been shot in the back of his car. He parks in a cul-de-sac and he he wraps our bodies in a blanket, and he heads straight to his mom's house, where he beheads the bodies, and he ends up carrying these corpses into the room, and he has sex with the bodies. Just headless bodies. And when he was asked, you know, why headless? Like this is very odd. Like yes, we've dealt with necrophiliax, we've dealt with serial killers like Ted Bundy,

he will murder the woman, and then he will have sex with the woman right after they're murdered. Sometimes he'll even come back five days later where the body is decomposing and there's already like maggots and stuff and he'll still fuck the body right. I mean it's just so scary, please let the dead rest in peace. They're like why had less? I mean, this seems to go against everything, no? And he said, you know, when I was younger, I was always told that the head was everything. You know, it has the brains, it has the eyes, and it has the mouth.

And a body is nothing without the head. But that's not really true. There's a lot left in a girl's body, even without the head. This guy has seen some very, very twisted and darn fucked up shit. And also like, might I add a misogynistic, like what the fuck? So why, why, still why does he behead the body? He just likes it.

The same thing. He got that inspo from like that magic show that he went to when he was young, that kind of where it all started. Yeah, and so the Neil have sex with the head and the body. And he was really smart. He always took out the bullets of his victims so that it couldn't be identified to a murder weapon. And he always dismembered them and he always discarded them. Now this became a shit show because guess what was happening in Santa Cruz at the time? Santa Cruz was getting the name of the murder capital of the world at the time because not just him, but there were other two active serial killers in the area.

We've got Herbert Mullin and we've got a man by the name of John Frazier. They were both actively killing in the Santa Cruz area. So you've got three active serial killers in an area where there's just chock full of colleges and college students. It's going to be really scary, right? Now Herbert Mullin, remember this name because he comes in handy a little bit later. Now let's talk about Clarinal. Remember that name? That's his mama. So he decides he has perfected the art of killing people. And he finally decided it was time that he was going to kill his mom. So he goes to his mom's house one day and she comes home from work and she's reading a book and she's falling asleep and he waits and he waits and he had always believed that the mom was to

blame. He hated himself, he hated women and he believes that it's his mom fault. She made him that way. You know, she did all of this. And now he is the way that he is. Again, he is remarkably self-aware for someone like this. Most serial killers will be like, what do you mean? And how just fucking do it? Because I do it. You know, but he's like, no, it's because I have abuse stemming from my mom.

And then it turned me into this. And I would think that without the abuse, I wouldn't have turned out the way that I would have. Like, he's remarkably self-aware. Okay. So he waits. self-aware. Okay. So he waits, and then she falls asleep, and he goes into her room with a claw hammer, and he bludges her to death, and then he slits her throat with a kitchen knife. And then he decides, you know what?

Let's just go back to my old ways. So he decapitates his mom's head. This is where it gets crazy. He decapitates his mom's head, and then has sex with his mom's severed head. Oh my fucking god. Yeah. So he has sex with his mom's severed head and then he does something that is incredibly incredibly strange and I've never ever ever ever seen something like this.

Well I haven't seen it but I haven't any red or research anything like this, which is he went into the living room, put her up onto the shelf, and just started screaming at her severed head for an hour, and was like, fuck you, mom! You ruined me! Blah, blah, blah! Right? And then he sat on the couch and continued to use her head as a dart board. Yeah.

What the fuck? Just awake, it's a little bitirder. So then he does that, and then he's like, you know what, that's not enough. I want to smash her face in. So he continues to beat up her severed head. I mean, she's dead, you know. This is how you know he was so full of rage. And then he does something very symbolic. He cuts out her tongue and her vocal box. So in her throat, her vocal cords and her vocal box. Because she always yelled at him, you know, she was always so mean. Her words hurt. She was always yelling and abusing him verbally, violently, verbally, you know. And so he grabbed those through them down the kitchen sink into the garbage

disposal. And he turned the garbage disposal on. Now it's interesting, is that the vocal cords are actually very, very, very, very tough material. And he said, you know what? The garbage disposal said, I don't think so. And spat her vocal cords back out into the sink because it couldn't grind it.

And he said, it seemed appropriate, considering how much she yelled at me over the years and she bitched over the years. And he said, even in death, his mom mocked him. Yeah, I guess that's pretty accurate. Yeah, so again, you've got a very interestingly self-aware criminal. I mean, that's just weird.

It's just weird to know that he said that. That it was just like, seemed appropriate. It's just odd. And so then he was like, you know what, I kind of want to get away with this murder. You know, if this is my mom, they're going to know it's me. They're going to always like to me. It's not going to be my sister. It's my sisters. If they get interviewed, they're going to be like, you should look into Ed or brother. He's creepy, right? And so he's like, this is what I'm going to do. I'm going to call her best friend Sally. So Sally was 59 years old. And he said,

what's up, Sally? You want to come over for dinner and a movie and so Sally is like, yeah, it's great. I'd love to have dinner and movie with you and your mother, right? And so she goes over thinking that she's going to have dinner with Clarnel and Edmund, right? And his idea was that if there was another body in the house, then it would be less likely that it was just targeted towards Clarnel his mom. So it'd be less likely that it was him. So he ends up strangling her and puts both women into a closet and then he leaves a note to the police. Yeah, the note's weird. So he says approximately 515 am Saturday and he said no need for her to suffer anymore at the hands of this horrible murderous butcher, but because people were calling him the butcher, because he was dismembering all the bodies, right? And he said it was quick, it was quick, they were asleep just the way they wanted, it was not sloppy, it was not incomplete gentlemen, just a lack of time, I got things to do.

So it's a very cryptic note, it kind of makes it seem like, hey listen, I know you're going to think that this this was an incomplete murder But it's just a lack of time So I think that he was just trying to throw them off because all of the other bodies were disposed of and never left inside the house So he was trying to be like I just don't have time. I got shit to do you know It's not that I'm like scared or it's not that I didn't want to complete the the cycle that I normally do Yeah, it's just I don't have time, guys. You get it, gentlemen. You're busy, people. OK. So he's kind of throwing them off.

Now, immediately, he gets into Sally's car and he starts driving to Colorado. Now, he's in Northern California. This is going to be a 1,000 mile trip to Colorado. He pops a bunch of caffeine pills, and he drives nonstop for close to 18 hours. I mean, it was a treacherous drive. He has three guns in the car. He had hundreds

Bullets in the car because he just felt like there was gonna be a man hunt for him He believed he was the target of probably FBI, SWAT team, all of that, right? He's like, it's done I'm done. I killed my mom. They're gonna know what's me now, right? Yeah, and he eventually got stopped midway through for a speeding ticket Oh my god. And they gave him a ticket and let him drive away. Oh my god. And so he drives to Colorado. He approaches Colorado and he's like, this is crazy. I mean, I've been listening to the news on the radio and nobody is talking about the murder.

Nobody said, oh my god, two more bodies found, you know, nothing. Yeah. Wow. I guess there's only one thing to do. So he goes and finds a local pay phone and he calls the police, the Santa Cruz police, the local police department that our friends with him, they know him as big Ed. And so he's like, listen, I just killed my mom. Shut the fuck up.

Yeah, and they're like, okay, yeah, okay, big Ed, you're so weird. Are you coming to the jury room later tonight or something? Is that why you're calling? And he's like, no, I just killed my mom. And they're like, okay, Ed, you're so weird. Are you coming to the jury room later tonight or something is that way you're calling? And he's like, no, I just killed my mom. And they're like, okay, Ed, we're really busy today. We got a lot of shit going on. We'll just see you at the jury room. Just, okay, just call us later if you've got anything.

And he hung up. And so he's like, what? So he's like, okay, well, I mean, they did tell me to call them later. So I guess I'll just give them a couple hours. And then a couple hours pass pass and he calls the police again He says hello Santa Cruz police department and he was like hey, can I talk to officer so and so and this was an officer that he directly New like was pretty close with right yeah, and so they were like yeah, we'll get him on the phone and he goes hey listen

I just called my mom. I'm gonna call her right now He's like what? And he's like yeah, no, I swear I did it nobody believes me, but I just called my mom I'm in Colorado. I killed her best friend. You can check it out. I'm going to her house. I killed her. I stopped her in a closet. Go check it out. I swear. And he's like, okay, where are you? And he's like Colorado. Do you want to send some police? I can just wait somewhere. Wait, why? He's turning himself in. Yeah. And so he patiently and politely waits for the police. And once he's taken into custody, he confesses to the other six martyrs

of those college students. Why? What happened there? They asked him to. They were like, why? We didn't even find the bodies. It's not like we were closing in on you. It's not like we were zeroing in on you

and there was gonna be some sort of a struggle. Why? And he said, I was exhausted. There's no purpose. Like emotionally, I could not handle this any longer. I was like thinking that you guys were gonna come get me. It just, it's a pure waste of time. I mean, I said a hell with it.

I called it all off. I called you guys. And I think I got to the root of my problem. There's no need to take any of my rage out on these innocent victims. Like, I killed my mom. That's it. This is all that all those murders were leading up to. And then I did it. I killed my mom. And now I. This is all that all those murders were leading up to and then I did it

I killed my mom and now I don't want to really kill anyone right now So I don't really think I should go around killing some more innocent people But then I also don't think I can emotionally live just like trying to look it over my shoulder every day Does that make sense? Yeah, yeah, I mean that that part makes total sense So he doesn't have the rage to fuel him anymore? Yeah, yeah, and now he doesn't want to live that paranoid life of a criminal Yeah, I mean that part sounds like a regular human. Yeah, so then a trial ensues now He gets state-appointed attorneys He really didn't have a lot of money so he didn't hire like the best attorneys in town

And nobody was really like jumping to Represent him pro bono or anything and because of his confession there was just no way around it there was no way they were gonna be like well I mean he has an all-ah-bye and so they were like okay this is the only thing that we can do in a situation like this is to plead not guilty by reason of insanity and he ended up trying to commit suicide twice while he was in custody awaiting his trial and even then three psychiatrists were put to the case to determine if he was legally sane and they said, absolutely, he absolutely can stand trial.

Now one of them is very interesting. His name is Dr. Fort. And this shit sounds like a bootleg Marvel universe, like a bootleg DC comic storyline. He decided, wait, I saw some reports that you were diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia before and he's like, yes, I did. Like, wow, you're so cool, doctor, right? And so he's like, I'm gonna do this. I'm gonna interview Ed using something called truth serum. Let me tell you about that truth serum. So truth serum is a psychoactive drug cocktail. So it's just a bunch of different drugs that fuck with your head. Psychoactively. So it probably means you hallucinate and shit.

And it's usually a mixture of like, I mean, I try to write down the names, but I can't even pronounce them. So we're not going to. And it's scientifically, ethically and legally shoddy. It's just all over the place. Nobody really uses it as evidence, but back then, they would use this against psychiatric patients. They would just be like, tell me some more. Let me just inject you with this so you can tell me more. Now, legally, it violates human rights and the Constitution because we do have that Fifth Amendment right, our right to remain silent. Now, if you're injected with drugs and now you're forced to speak because you physically have to speak because of this drug that goes against your constitutional rights. So it doesn't really happen in the US anymore but back then, Dr. Fort was like, seems like a good idea.

And he allegedly got out of Ed Kemper III that he was also a cannibal, that he would slice flesh from the legs of his victims and then bake them into a casserole. Allegedly though. Allegedly. And he also said, you know, Ed just always wanted to be famous. He wanted that infamy, that notoriety, that reputation of being this crazy murderer. And he also said, but he's also very mentally competent. So let's go to trial. Now, lots of people speculate that Dr. Fort just wanted to make a name for himself and he was an opportunist. Because I mean, Ed ended up recanting

the whole cannibalism thing. There didn't seem to be heavy amounts of evidence saying that he was a cannibal. From what I could see, it just seemed kind of like, maybe he was, maybe he wasn't. We couldn't really tell because of how much flesh had already been taken off from the bodies. So he was like not nicely dismembering

them. If you could even ever do something like that nicely, you get it. So he recants. And then he ends up testifying in the trial. His motive was that he wanted victims for himself, like he wanted these women for himself. He wanted them like they were possessions. Now you can't have a woman be a possession because she is a free spirit and she is a mind of her own and she is a human and she is an equal to a man. But if they're dead, they can't say no. So then he would kill them. And he said he would kind of black out and he would not remember it. And he was kind of, you know, dancing around the ballpark, trying to say that he probably has some variation of DID,

where he backs out, blacks out, and then his alter comes in and he does the killing, but then real ed, he's nice, right? But there were no indications that he had DID in any way, shape or form. So obviously, there was also a lot of people being like, okay, really, did? And so there was a jury of six men and six women.

And they deliberated for five hours. And then they came back with guilty on all eight counts of first degree. Murder. I still don't understand how someone who so fucked us since they were so young and then just turned themselves in. Yeah. You know, like what is that? That's why people are thinking so creepy.

And then he has a request. He says, guys, I don't want to go to prison. Can you guys just torture me to death? He says, I request death. I request capital punishment by torture. And they're like, what is capital punishment by torture? I don't even know. But he wants to be tortured to death.

What? Yeah, and they were like, no, no. And it's interesting because in California, capital punishment is still legal, but all executions have been placed on hold by Governor Gavin Newsom. I think there was already something in play and then he had to renew it, I believe,

or something like that, okay? So he wasn't gonna get capital punishment. He did not get capital punishment. He's gonna be spending the rest of his life in prison, hopefully, because he's actually up for the possibility of parole in a couple years. So he ended up getting a bunch of sentences. It's, he's got sentenced to life,

but the possibility of parole, which I think is kind of crazy. And he was sent to a California medical facility, right? And this is more he goes to prison and he goes to the same block in prison as Herbert Millen remember him the other active serial killer in Santa Cruz that people were freaking out about and Charles Manson they end up on the same prison block. So this was just a crazy time in the US, and definitely California. So he ends up in that same prison block.

And when he's interviewed, he talks about Herbert. He did not like Herbert. He said, you know what? Herbert's annoying. He's just a cold-blooded killer. He'll just kill anybody. And everyone's like, whoa, maybe you aren't that self-aware, right?

And he manipulated the shit out of another serial killer. Imagine this. A serial killer manipulates the shit out of another serial killer So he hates her, but her, but this serial killer loves to sing when everyone's trying to watch TV He's like, I'm just fucking sing right now because I don't want everyone to have fun without me And so he starts singing and so then So then Ed goes up to him throws water on him and threatens her Bart Herbert gets scared and then when Herbert doesn't sing Ed will give him some peanuts to share So they'll eat peanuts together, and he said herbie likes peanuts and then he said now now guess what Herbert will ask me for permission to sing And you know what that's called? Behavior modification treatment. That's what I'd said.

He's fucking messing with a serial killer in there. Yeah, like that. And he knows all these psychiatry and like psychological terms because remember when he was first in the state hospital, he was administering these tests. Yeah, and he's a big dude. He has his physical strength too. And he's incredibly manipulative. He is a model prisoner. He would schedule the and made psychiatric appointments. So he was doing administrative work again. He wasn't giving out like the tests and

and administrating anything, but he just was scheduling their appointments with the psychiatrist. He was an accomplished craftsman of ceramic cups. I mean, the dude was a pottery man. He was just making really nice ceramic cups in prison. Right. And then this is what's crazier. He started doing work for the blind. I don't know how we got into it, but he was like, you know what? I don't like the fact that blind people can't read the same books that I'm reading. So I'm going to narrate them and he became an audiobook narrator. And he has over 5,000 hours of him narrating books.

Hundreds of titles have been narrated. I mean, I don't think that they're the most popular narrated version of these books. But um, yeah, he got like two trophies for it. That is so scary. That's so scary. Imagine you're just reading, like listening to an audiobook, and it's a very close voice. Oh my God, yeah.

And someone like him? Yeah. Just imagine, yeah, I mean, I don't find pleasure in that. I love audiobooks, but I would not want him to read me a book to sleep. Cut down. Yeah, but in 2015, he retired from all of these positions because he ended up having a stroke and he was considered medically disabled speaking. And so he wasn't really doing any of those things.

And it's very interesting because a lot of the FBI, a lot of profilers, FBI profilers, which are people who go and they study these criminals and they try to make a profile for them. And they try to, now when there's new crimes happening, they're like, okay, we need to profile this person and see what type of job that they might have, you know, what they maybe look like, what kind of childhood they had, and all of these things. And they'll study with some of the criminals that are already in prison and the FBI profiler said listen, he's amongst the brightest of criminals we've met. He has the capability for such a violent and aggressive criminal,

he's also capable of insight, which is scary. What does that mean? You know, like, sometimes you'll have people who do some fucked up shit, but then sometimes they'll say some shit that's like, that makes sense. It's just kind of like that. And then suddenly everyone's like, you know, they can't be that fucked up because, you know, they said this, that makes sense.

Yeah, so they're just saying everything he's doing is very smart. Yeah, and he would do a lot of interviews in prison. And he said it was to help potential killers, not in the way that you think, not in the way. He's like the method is, no, I'm just kidding. He said, you know, thinking this way is not a crime. Thinking that you want to kill people is not a crime. It's a crime when you do it.

So when you're just thinking it, you need to go get help. So he's like telling other criminals to go get help, right? And this is what's scarier though. When you're talking about a guy who has been diagnosed with that, who has psychopathic tendencies, aggressive tendencies, and who's also so smart. Yeah. How can you believe a word he says? Right, exactly. I don't believe him. He just say, some people people do Oh, some people think he's so good like he's rehabilitated for real like now that he killed his mom It's gone now like he's not gonna kill anyone else. Oh my god. You know, it's all over imagine a little abused boy He killed his mom finally like let him out. I'm like nine California. Let me go for you, please

Whoever says that just take him in yeah, you take him in the warehouse, Boo Boo, if you want to, right? Gosh. Yeah, insulin. The shit that he's done, it's. That's what I'm saying. It's, I mean. This is something I would understand if he just killed his mom.

And maybe not in the way that he did. If he just shot his mom and then left. And was like, hey, guys, I shot my mom. Right then, I'd be like, oh, fuck. Like, OK, he was abused. I understand he shot his mom. The abuse ended. This is a complex situation. We need to deal with it with such care and emotion because of how complex it is. But he's like, so I went around killing a bunch of people. My grandparents, and then also I had sex with my mom severed head, and then I threw a dart at it. And then I put her voice box in the dish,

or the garbage disposal. Like, this like this is like whoa you're kind of Not and this was all when he was 24 he got caught when he was 24 So he was my age and he had already murdered eight people no ten people Wow And so his next parole hearing you'll be happy to know is in 2024 He's already been denied so many times. The judge once even said this and I don't care if you're a model in May like the shit that you did outside of prison was so intense like no. You're denied. So we don't know what's gonna happen in

24. I mean I assume he'll be left in prison. I'd be really upset. There's a lot of people who deserve a day outside of prison and deserve a second chance But I would say Ed Edmund Kemper the third is not one of those people There was an AMA on Reddit which isn't asked me anything with his nephew What yeah What is his nephew has anything to say just saying that mental illness does run in their family and half of his family seems to

think that he is Rehabilitated and they kind of blame the mom and then the other half are like oh, oh, we don't like this dude. We don't know him Okay, it's very complex and then I also read on Reddit that he is so manipulative that a lot of people I mean And then I also read on Reddit that he is so manipulative that a lot of people, I mean, Listen, I love true crime, but I probably wouldn't take it this far, but a lot of people have written him letters Okay, in present and he's so manipulative when he sends back letters and once you know that this dude is manipulative Everything in that letter you're like, wait a second. This feels like just a heavy thick manipulation at its finest like this is scary Yeah, yeah, absolutely Yeah, I am so scared of that. I know people are always like it'd be so cool if you did a video like writing to a

Theoregular I'm like no, thank you like I don't want to die and I also I think the scariest is I Don't even want to be hypnotized. I don't like the feeling. Like I don't think I would be okay with it. Like there's no way I'll be like, yeah, let's just like get me hypnotized for fun, even if I trust the person doing it. Cause I'm like, I don't know. Like I don't know if I can trust my brain that much

and talking to a serial killer. I don't know if I can trust my brain that much. Yeah, no. He's like, absolutely not bitch. You are not writing to know how. So I don't know. Let me know. What are your thoughts on this case?

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