Rotten Mango - #112: The Hillside Stranglers Part 2 (Case of Angelo Buono Jr & Kenneth Bianchi)

Episode Date: November 7, 2021

Family should always be close. The two cousins did everything together. They slept with their son's underage girlfriends together, started a business, and even lived together. They wanted to experience life’s greatest pleasures - together, as a family. The rush of injecting a woman with Windex (the window cleaner) to see how they would convulse. The rush of hooking up a woman to electrical wires from an auto shop. The rush of leaving naked bodies all over happy Los Angeles. They did it all - as a family. Rec: “The Hillside Stranglers” - by Darcy O’Brien (best deep dive on this case out there but it is really intense.) Full Source Notes: rottenmangopodcast.com To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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it's the episode right before this, okay? It covers the really outrageous lifestyles of Angelo and Kenneth, the two cousins. They enjoyed really warm and watching porn with Angelo's sons. I mean, that is the epitome of family bonding. Guess who else joined? Angelo's sons underage girlfriends. Who occasionally Angelo would have sex with? So they would pretend to be police officers to terrify sex workers and to compliance. They started a new business venture together, an LLC to become pimps, okay? They were holding women hostage, forcing them

into essentially sex trafficking, okay? Sex slavery. They were beating them. They were beating them with wet towels because wet towels don't leave bruise marks. This is something that Angelo taught Kenny. As a big older cousin he said, I need to show you. I need to show you the right of passage. To top it off, they were dating a ton of women at the same time. Yeah, a lot of women wanted to date them. They had some interesting tattoos

and they had just committed their very first murder of a woman named Yolanda. Whose occupation was a sex worker? She was originally not their main target by the way, so this was her best friend Debra, had sold the two cousins list list. A list that would help them expand their LLC, their business venture, but she ended up scamming them, okay? She ended up saying this list is gonna make you so much money because all of these clients

want sex workers to come over I mean isn't that what you want isn't that the best way to grow your business But it ended up not really working out. They couldn't track her down She went into hiding and they killed her best friend instead To send her a message Angelou and Kenny did not come to play that was their message They left Yolanda Washington's assaulted be tin strangled body in the sunny hills of Los Angeles, and that was just the beginning of the hillside stranglers.

So on the early morning of Halloween, residents who lived on a quiet street on the hills started their days as normal. Some of them went to work, some of them went on a walk, someone to take out the trash, and many of them soon saw Judy Miller's body. Just laid out on the curb completely new. Except the friend? No, that's Yolanda, this is their second victim. Her legs were spread, her hands were handcuffed underneath her, there were bruises all along her neck, she had been reaped, sodomized and strangled to death, and the way that she

was positioned, made it seem like the killers wanted someone to catch her this way. I mean, she was literally spread eagle on the curb of just like a residential street in the hills of Los Angeles. So a lot of people woke up Halloween morning and they were not having a good time. The LAPD were not having a good time because initially they didn't even know this girl's name. Nobody was coming forward saying, hey, I know this person person but you know who was? Having a good time? The cousin? The cousins. Halloween week had started off with a bang for the cousins. Angelo and Kenneth, I mean they had spent a lot of time hanging out at home. Kenneth was excitedly telling Angelo you'll never believe the party that I went to.

It was on Hollywood. Can you believe it? Fucking Halloween on Hollywood Boulevard. Anyway, I went dressed as a slug. Can you believe it? A slug? Silence. Yes. You know, like a snail. It was really creepy.

We painted our faces green. We put these green garbage bags on. And we had these greenly atards. Oh my god, and get this. We had green saran wrap trailing off of us. Like slime, you know. Oh, it was great Halloween and Hollywood. Unf**king believable.

Now, Angelo, he was bored with this conversation. He was bored with Kenney, he was bored with everything on TV, but mainly he was just bored about just life. Nothing exciting was going on. Kenney would just never shut up about his girlfriend being pregnant again. He kept borrowing money from him. Are you kidding me? Stop asking me for cash. I don't have any.

Kenny never made a penny for himself. He's so annoying. But at least Kenny was obedient. Otherwise, Angela would have gotten rid of him a long time ago. He was better than most quote, b****s, because he was useful. Hey Kenny, I need to get out of the house. I need some action. You want to do something?

Uh sure, what do you have in mind? I'm open to suggestions. We could go scamming down Hollywood or maybe we pick up a girl, but the problem is, last time felt so rushed, didn't it? Yeah, I was just about to tell you about that. Backseat sex, aka Backseat race sucks. It's not comfortable, it's for high schoolers, it's totally overrated. Why don't we pick up a girl and bring her back here?

Okay, now we're talking. Alright, let's bring the back here, but just to be safe afterwards, we have to sqggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghgh Cadillac, I mean they felt like they were on top of the world. They felt like everybody was watching them as they drove past. They felt like the kings of Los Angeles. But there wasn't anyone on the street. There wasn't anyone pretty on the street. There wasn't any sex workers on the street. What the hell is going on? Man, Sundays are dead. Should we try like a side street or something?

Or maybe we could try sunset. And I quote, the strip always is full of asses any day of the week. So they start driving down Sunset's strip slowly. And they spotted girls standing alone on the sidewalk. She was a sex worker. Her name was Judy Miller. And they lure her into the car with the promise of money. Typically, Kenny would wait outside, take a walk around the block, and Jolo would pull up because you know, a lot of sex workers, they were hesitant to get into the car with just two guys.

It felt a lot safer with just one. Then Kenny would run up and be like, hey, that's my buddy, Angelo! And he would just hop into the car and made it seem like it was a natural coincidence once she was already inside the car. Because it's hard to back out once you're already in the car. So that was typically their method of getting these women,

but this time they cut straight to the case. Once Judy was an Angelo's car and he started driving down the side streets slowly. Kenny catches up, hey, hey, hey, stop the car, stop the car. And he opens the door, leans in, flashes Angelo's police badge, and says, you're under arrest. To the girl. To the girl, okay. Oh, not again. Can you please step out of the car and get into the back? We're gonna. To the girl, okay. Ah, not again.

Can you please step out of the car and get into the back? We're gonna have to go for a ride. So he moves her from the passenger front side to the very back of the car and she complied to all of this. And he asks, is the guy standing in the parking lot, is he a pimp? No, no, he wasn't. Okay, but there was a guy. That might be a problem.

Well, that's not my pimp. Are we going to the Hollywood division? No, we're going to a special unit. But I haven't done anything wrong. Well, you're being arrested for soliciting sex work. That's illegal, isn't it? So they start driving all the way back to Angela's place. And the whole time, they're pretty much surveying her, watching her through the cart right. She looked maybe about 15 to 16 years old. She was very petite. They believed that there was no way that she was going to cause any trouble. This one is going to be easy. That's how they felt about it. They pull into his driveway and she's

confused. What is this place? It's a satellite police station. Oh, okay. So Angela opens the back door. They pull her out of the car and drag her inside. Alright, well, man, we just need to ask you a few questions at Standard Procedure. How old are you? Fifteen. And Angelo started smiling, because that was a good age. A really good age. You're pretty young to be wh-don't you think?

I-I'm not. I didn't do anything wrong. What is this place? This-doesn't feel like a police station. Why would there be an aquarium in a police station? So she starts catching on that something bizarre is happening. Not to mention that there's a sign that says, please remove your clothes. Like a funny home good sign. Like a hee hee ha ha sign. So they tell her, sit there, shut up, you move an inch and you're going to be sorry. You're going to lose your life.

And she's shaking in her boot. She's sitting on this living room couch. They creep up behind her, force a gag into her mouth. They secured it with duct tape. I mean, they really secured it. They taped the duct tape over her head three times. They grabbed, you know, inside of the car seat. So you know how Angelo has the garage garage the auto shop that he has in his garage

He has an auto shop in his garage. Yeah, yeah, okay, so they they got the car stuffing from inside the car seats Like you just rip it open and it's foam Yeah, so they use that to cover her eyes and they taped it three times. They duct taped it to her eyes She's not able to see she can't scream They each grab her elbow force her to stand up and they start taking off her handcuffs and they keep you know whispering threats into her ear, I'm warning you right now, if you try anything, anything at all, you're gonna get hurt. Meanwhile, Angela was watching in the mirror because one entire wall in his dining room had mirrors on it and he watches while Kenny undresses this young 15 year old girl and

he would make such blood boiling comments like eh, not much tits, huh? When they were done undressing her, they'd take her into this bearbed room, where once Sabra then Becky then Jennifer had once stayed held hostage, been raped. I mean, it was essentially a shell of a room, literally just had a bed, nothing else. They help her get on to the bed, and they start asking each other in front of her. Well, who's gonna go first? Well, how do we decide? Well, I don't care.

You choose. Okay, well, let's keep it fair. So, Angelo decides that they're gonna do a coin toss. Kenny calls Tails, Angelo heads. Well, Kenny, would you look at that? Looks like you're getting sloppy seconds. Okay, well, get out of here here and get all of her shit together. Put it on the table. I'll take care of it when I'm done.

Mind you, she's still on the bed listening to all of this. Don't forget to empty the entire purse. Leave the stuff on the table, okay? See if there's money in there. Go through her pants pockets. As Kenny rushes out of the room, Angela takes off her gag because he, end up quote, like to hear her squeal. They also took pictures of this. I mean, Kenny started going full on photographer mode taking pictures of his cousin, Angela,

as he was 15 years old. Now mind you, I mean, this is really disgusting. Their cousin's first of all, she's 15 and once Angela is done, Kenny goes into a solter and now they're back to the drawing board. They've done what they wanted to do. They got what they wanted, but now what? What are we gonna do? Should we strangle her, Angelos? Isn't that the only way? Do you have any other ideas? No, no, no. I think Strangling's the best way to kill someone.

Shooting, stabbing, all of these things. I mean, they're way too messy. Besides, don't you get a little turned on watching a girl gasping for air? You have to admit, it's kind of appealing. Mind you, Judy is listening to all of this. She is laying in the bed, breathing heavily. I mean, she's panicking. They leave her for a few minutes, only to come back with a large wooden spoon from the kitchen and a white nylon cord.

And they start arguing, can you strangle her? I'm gonna sit on her legs so she doesn't try to kick you. Wait let's actually tie up her ankles first. This so that she can't move around. Oh what if she tries to kick us in the nuts? Wait, ah man I forgot something. Hold on, be right back. Angela comes back with some underwear. Listen she's gonna pierce crap or something. I don't want her to get my rug dirty. Because when you die sometimes you have a release of bowels. So they walk in with all their little tools. An Angela tries to persuade her, tries to calm her down.

Here, honey, sit up. It's okay. We're just gonna put some clothes on you. It's all right. It's all right. Now it's not that he had a very paternal voice if he wanted to, like very fatherly, if he really tried. Everything's gonna be okay.

They start tying up her ankles. She's shaking violently at this point, and Angela puts a plastic vegetable bag from like the grocery store where you would put your cucumbers or, I don't know, your apples. Over her head, slips the cord around her neck and starts pulling.

And they just sit there excitedly watching this plastic bag frantically, inflate, deflate, and then slowly the breathing calms down and soon enough, the bag is barely moving. And at the end, it stopped puffing. And it was over. They had just murdered their second victim. And when they start cleaning the area, taking off all her gags, her duct tape,

they notice a little bit of blood trickle out of her mouth. And I don't know why. Okay, but Angela felt this was the most appropriate time to use one of his favorite sayings, which was, and I quote, only woman bleed. Which medically speaking doesn't sound correct at all, and I'm sure in prison he's going to find that to be a very false saying, but I digress, okay? They push Judy into the cart and they start driving all the way to a little town in the hills of Glendale called La Crescenta. Now this is a middle-class town. Kenny had really never been here so he's confused. Hey, Angelo, how do you know this place? Where are we taking her? Where are we going?

You'll see. Once you get there, you'll know where I'm going. Really? But how do you even know this area? You see that little house up there? That's where that cunt Melinda Hooper lives. Oh, I can't wait for her to wake up tomorrow. She's gonna get a surprise. Who is Melinda again? It's just a girl that he hated. What?

So he was like, oh, I can't wait for her to wake up and see a dead body on the street. Alright, now close your door. I really quite don't even close it. Okay, we're gonna dump her on the sidewalk of the neighborhood. Wait, on the street? Alright, now close your door real quick. Don't even close it, okay? We're gonna dump her on the sidewalk of the neighborhood. Uh, wait, on the sidewalk? People are gonna see her. Yeah, that's the point, Kenny. Hopefully Melinda will find her.

I would kill to see her face if she does. And just like that, on a residential street, they just dumped Judy's body on the sidewalk and left. I mean, Kenny, he's on edge the whole ride back home. He felt on top of the world. We did it! We did it this time! We did it, Joe!

No, I'm kidding. We did it, Angelo! Wait till they find her! Oh, it'll make the papers! It's gonna be on every news channel! And originally it wasn't because when the police arrived to find Judy's body, Judy's body, at's body, at first nobody knew her. Nobody came forward, nobody said they were a family member, or even a friend.

Police had to physically walk up and down Hollywood Boulevard to see if they could find a witness, or someone to even say, hey wait, I know her name. And that's how they found out that she was a 15 year old girl. She had run away from home. She would sometimes resort to sex work for a place to sleep at night or even food. I mean, she really was struggling. She would keep a picture of her two younger brothers and her purse with her at all times. And they just had no idea who would want to do this to this young girl. She had no enemies. She had nobody, I mean, this is a sexual status. This is someone who literally just got

off on killing woman, right? With all of this taking place, this is a sexual status. This is someone who literally just got off on killing woman, right? With all of this taking place, Kenny is aggressively calling Angelo. Hey, it finally made the papers. But it's like a little dipshit story in the way back. Nobody's even gonna read it. Anyway, it's in there though. Maybe it'll be on the news tonight.

They said they don't even know her name or who she was or anything. Angelo thought this was hilarious. You mean the c- didn't have a name? No, but you can't beat that. The Sheriff's Department is asking the public for help. They might even offer a reward. Can you imagine?

Can you imagine? We better figure out how to make money from this. So they believed truly that they could find a way to give information to the Sheriff's Office and make money from it. How many more times you think we can pull something like this off? Kenny, listen to me. This right here is a winner.

This plan, full proof. We just gotta, you know, just be careful and everything's gonna be good. We can do whatever we goddamn like from now on. You're still coming over this week, right? Are you even allowed? You got permission like a good little boy? So at this point, Angelo is giving Kenny a lot of stress because Kenny's girlfriend is pregnant and she seems to be a lot more, I guess in their eyes needy, I think it's just normal stuff. She wants him to be around more. I mean she's literally heavily pregnant.

She's got all these symptoms. she's tired, she's exhausted, but Kenny is upset by this. What do you mean? I still do what I want, Angela, I come and go as I please. But in fact, that Saturday, Kenneth went over and he did indeed get into a fight with Kelly before he went. I mean, she was upset. She had no idea that he was murdering people, she just knew that he was never home.

And she felt pregnant and neglected. I mean, after all, this is his child in her belly, no? But instead of Kenny being sympathetic, he yells at her, said that nobody wants to hang out with the pregnant- B- Because you're sick all the time. I told you to get an abortion from the get-go, didn't I? Didn't I tell you that?

Maybe you should've listened to me then. And he stormed out. But the minute that he gets into the cart, and this is the way that Kenny thinks, which is so bizarre, okay? So he just screamed at her about all of this, like you should have had the abortion like I told you to, gets into the car and he's smiling. Because tomorrow she's not going to be mad at him. He's going to buy her some flowers and write her a poem about loneliness, about sadness,

about that child growing in her belly, and that would be good. She's gonna forgive him, she's gonna eat that shit up. I don't get it, so he's what, trying to show affection? Yeah, so he thinks that he can just say all of these things, and then he's already happy, leaving, because he's like, oh tomorrow she's gonna forgive me, because I'm gonna write some bullshit poem. I mean, that's how cocky he is about this whole thing. Meanwhile, Angela is busy prepping everything that they need that night. Tape, foam, rags, quartz, even cut the foam and ropes into the right length so it's easy.

Even the duct tape was cut and foam was already stuck to one part of it. Alright, this is good. Let's head out. We just need to find a girl. You know what I was thinking, Kenny? It doesn't even have to be a sex worker, you know? What do you mean? Well, I'm saying, why does she have to be a sex worker? It could be any girl. We could literally stop a f***ing nun. Do you know what I mean?

Like the city is our oyster. We got it all. We should think bigger. We could find us a virgin. So they start driving towards Hollywood Hills when they see a girl driving a lime green beetle convertible. And Angelo tells Kenny to follow her. Get close enough so I can get a real good look at her.

So they drive up, just literally tailing her, like the creeps that they are. They follow her down the street, then another, and another, and they're practically tailing her all the way into her apartment parking lot. And when she parks, and she gets out, Angelo jumps out with a flashlight. Hey, uh, police. Can we see some ID? Yeah, what's wrong? Did I run a light or something? Uh, no, miss, uh, okay, Lisa Castan, he's looking at her ID. No, Lisa, there's been a robbery. Your car was pointed out by a witness as leaving the scene. That's, that's ridiculous. I just got off work. And where do you work? At the restaurant, I'm a waitress there.

Well, that's near the location of the robbery. You have to come with us. We have to take you in for questioning. No, I mean, this must be a mistake. I haven't done anything. There's literally hundreds of cars like mine. There's been a mistake I was at work all day. No, ma'am, your car is a very distinctive color.

You'll have to come with us. Just step over to our car over here. No. You just have no reason at all to question me. I mean, this doesn't make any sense. Ma'am, I get it. You're frustrated. You're angry, but do you really want to make a scene on the street right now? You better come with us. Now, she was hesitant, but she complied. So she gets into the back of the Cadillac, they force her into the handcuffs, and she's thinking, I mean, what is this? You must see, like, do we really have to play cops and robbers? Like, you don't have to handcuff me, I'm telling you, I didn't do anything. Man, it's just a police procedure, like, what do you want us to do? Listen, there's no

need for this. I'm not going anywhere, you've got me, like, I'm in the back of the police car, like, just, why do I need the handcuffs? Miss Gaston, believe me. If it were up to us, we wouldn't do this. This is Kenny by the way. Kenny is like a top tier bullsh**er. I'll give him that, okay? Listen, if it- if it were up to us, Lisa, we wouldn't do this.

But you have to understand most suspects are not nearly as cooperative as you are. I mean, we've had some pretty ugly incidents, you know? Do you understand what I mean? Officers were hurt, just trying to do their job, trying to do their duty. So we've evolved into these procedures, and if we make you the exception, then the whole system breaks down.

I don't wanna do this either, okay? It's just my job, I don't wanna get fired. I'm, okay, fine, I guess. I mean, this is bunch of baloney though. When you guys check me out, you'll realize you're wasting your time, you've got the wrong person, but fine, go ahead. Now Kenny is loving this role. If you guys listen to part one, you know that he wanted to be a police officer and he was

declined by three different jurisdictions. So he's getting off on this roleplay, okay? He thinks that this is the time of his life. He's like shining through. He's getting off on the authority Yeah, man. Yeah sure sure. We'll we'll check everything out and we can always take you back if everything's okay Now when they get to Angela's house Lisa was adamant Adamant yeah, no, I'm not going inside with you guys. That's not a police station. Mm-hmm not Absolutely not not a day in hell Not absolutely not. Not a day and hell would I step foot in there. That's not a police station. And so they

essentially force her in by threatening her to take her life essentially. And they drag her into Angela's house. Now once they get her in, because they're worried that Lisa being older than Judy being angrier and more skeptical, let's keep her handcuffed. They just cut off her clothes with scissors instead. Now this part's gonna get you so mad, okay, because my blood was boiling when I was reading this part. The cousins weren't happy, because she hadn't shaved in her legs. Angela was super disappointed. He thought that she was one of those weird health nuts that don't shave.

And he made it very clear like, oh, I don't even want to have sex with her. So he decided and I quote, to pass up on sex this time. You mean, of the woman that you just kidnapped? So Kenny drags Lisa into the room viciously assaults her. I mean, she was bleeding everywhere and Angela was getting frustrated with the way that the day was going. Not only was he expecting her to have shave and legs, but she didn't, but now Kenny is making her bleed, that's gonna get on the carpet. And now he was not paranoid because of the DNA evidence. He genuinely didn't care who cares about CSI. That doesn't exist. He just loved his damn carpet. Let me tell you how big of a neat freak is.

Later when the police searches house for DNA and fingerprints of the victims, they don't even find Angelos DNA or fingerprints in his house. What? He just was that big of a creepy thing. So he just cleans all the time? All the time. Wow. Can you imagine?

Here, put the towel on the floor so we don't get any blood on there, and the murder took place as usual. But in his frustration, Angela wanted to try something a little bit different. When he went to Strangle Lisa, he would bring her to the brink of death, and then he would loosen the cord so that she could get air, and then he would tighten it again, torturing her while bringing her to the edge of death over and over and over again. And this guy, he was proud of himself. And at the end of all of this, he was exhausted and uninterested and said, Kenny, can you finish the job? And as Kenny strangled Lisa,

Angelo stands towering over her, screaming, die, die. So they put her body in the car, just like they did with Judy, and they dump her body and all of her stuff. And Angela's giving Kenny a whole run down in the car back. Listen Kenny, it wasn't worth it. That one, that one wasn't even worth it. She was a dog.

If I had known it was gonna turn out like this, I would have just stayed home, watched some TV, are you kidding? With all the girls to choose from an LA, why should we settle for anything No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 21 year old Lisa Castins. She was found completely naked, assaulted and strangled. And only three days later, the cousins went out into town again. This time we're going to do it right, right? Okay, promise me. We're going to find a girl that fits our needs. Our aesthetic, okay? So they drive around all of LA, picking at each girl. No, I'm not like her hair. No, look at those legs. No, I bet she's a little bit chunky under there

Like saying these types of obscene remarks at girls who would never be interested in them to begin with okay Till they finally find one Jane King she was waiting at a bus stop and they said that she was slim petite blonde hair Wearing tight jeans and a high-heeled boots. Hey Kenny can you see what I see? Oh yeah, I do. She ain't no slub. I can say that much. What do you want to do? She's not gonna go with two guys. Let's be real.

But it's just like right here out in the open, we can't just drag her into the car. If someone's gonna see, we gotta get her into the car. She's gonna wanna go with us. But she's not going to. Look at her. She's not gonna wanna go with us. Okay, okay.

That's okay. Angela, I got this. I think I can build rapport with her. She's going to want to talk to me, right? So he gets off the car, rushes to the bus stop, and says, just drive around and come back to the bus stop later. So Kenny jumps out, walks towards Jane. Hey, ma'am, do you know when the bus is coming? Now, we just missed one. There might be another one soon, but it'll probably take like 30 minutes. You know how it is. Oh, I know my car. I just can't believe it. My car's in the shop. Public transport in LA. It's terrible. I mean, I can't wait to get my car back. Oh, you're not from here? Well, I'm originally from New York. I've been here a while, but people are friendly here. I'll say that. Everybody got a smile on their face. Yeah, no, it's not like a back east, you know, you talked to someone at a bus stop. They think you're crazy. So it's not like that here.

But you know, you just get off work or something? Now Jane was normally an incredibly cautious person. That's what all of her friends said. But there was just something about Kenny. His voice was so nice. He was not aggressive. His old demeanor, I mean, he was very welcoming. He's the type of guy where a girl would look at him and say, okay, this guy is the type of person that I would walk up to in a busy bar and say, can you please help me? Like, this guy's chasing me. So genuinely, just seemed sweet. I wasn't trying to take advantage of someone, so she starts telling him she's going home after acting classes and that's when Kenny starts aggressively waiting hey hey he's waving in the air that that's my friend hey come over here can you beat that are you kidding hey Tony drive over here how about a lift can you take me home Tony pops his head out hey yeah sure hop in where have you been man

and so he approaches the car and he sticks his head in and he's kind of whispers to Angela a little bit. Then he turns back and says, wait, my friend says, my buddy says he can give you a ride if you live near here if you're not too far. You're gonna hop in, the bus isn't coming for a while, like you said, you locked out. Oh, I don't think so.

I'll just wait for the bus. It's okay, you guys go ahead. No really, you don't have to worry, this is my cousin besides we're both in the LA police reserve and he pulls out his badge You're a lot safer coming with us and sitting here alone on this corner. I mean, I hope you don't live too far though because I don't think Tony He's gonna want to drive that far. I hope you get it I'm I live like right on Franklin. So I guess not that far. Okay, yeah, great hop in. So she hops into the car. This is my cousin Tony and I'm sorry, I forgot I totally forgot to ask your name. What's your name? Jane King. Okay, well Jane, this

is Tony. Tony, this is Jane and I'm Kenny. Kenny Bianchi. Again, this guy seems so nice, no? Like the way that he's building rapport, the way that he's handling all these things, I mean, it genuinely feels like just you got lucky meeting some of nights on the street. He's really charismatic and... Yeah! Wow. Why would you break into these apartments? For money, for drugs, whatever was in there. Why aren't you afraid of getting caught at doing this?

No, who's gonna catch us? What a police. It was the height of the crack era, and instead of locking up drug dealers, some New York City cops had become them. I would suit up in my uniform, and we're gonna want some drug dealers, and I know how to do it really well.

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You need anything? Cigarettes, gum, food, anything? Now you're good? Okay. We'll be right back. So the cousins rush inside and they start talking about strategy. What do we do? And Andelo is just distracted.

She is one of the best looking chicks I've seen in a long time. Would tell her, I need to go home first and then you will take her home afterwards. I don't know, she's gonna fall for it. Okay, I'll try. So when they get back, Kenny asked Jane, hey, would you be okay?

Listen, my cousin here, I mean, he's a really nice guy. He don't want to burden us, but he's got to go home right now. He has to do something or else it's, it's really gonna mess him up. I can't really talk talk about it but it's like work stuff. Do you mind if we go with him and he said I can take this car to drop you off. So he's making it seem like essentially they're dropping Angelo off at his house using his car to drive Jane home. So just so they can drive to Angelo's house?

Yeah, without her freaking out. Yeah. Oh, oh no, that's way too much trouble for you guys Because I I don't even live that far from here. I'll just walk back to the bus stop No, no, really. I mean we can't offer you a ride and then say no besides it's literally no trouble for us truly Oh, um, okay. Yeah, I guess I appreciate it. Thank you When they get to Angelos house they pull into the driveway and their dog is rushing to the car And it was like this awkward moment of Jane is waiting for Angela to get out and Kenny to get into the driver's seat so that he can drive her home But nobody's moving nobody's getting out of the car. Nobody's even saying anything And then out of nowhere both men jump out grab, grab her by the arms, one on each

side, and they throw handcuffs on her. What are you doing? What's going on? Let me go! Keep your mouth shut, and nothing will happen to you. And they rush her into the house. Now she's in the living room, gagged, blindfolded, and they take off her handcuffs. She starts fighting back. I mean, they get so panicked that they throw them back onto her, and they cut off her clothes with scissors like they did with Lisa. And when they try to take off her skinny jeans, it's said that Angela was making these obscene comments, like she's sewn into these things, tied enough to show her, it's kind of love to show their ass if they've got one. And she's got a nice one.

So the cousins flip a coin in Angela 1. He drags her into the bedroom and Kenny felt this was too good to pass up. So he watched his very own cousin rape Jane. And she's fighting back, screaming like is this some sort of like sick joke and they kept telling her, listen, I will beat you if you resist. And Jane never stopped fighting back. It got so difficult for the cousins that they had hogtied her with rope. An angel masturbated while watching his cousin Kenny rape her.

Afterwards they torture her, they slowly strangle her, bringing her back, then strangling her again until she was finally dead. In this part gets so sick, they start going through her stuff afterwards, and her ID showed that she was 29 years old and they were shocked. Kenny called her well preserved. The kind of chick that would look good at even 40. Angelo said that they did her favor. They let her die young and gorgeous. What a great favor.

They clean up the crime scene. They dump Jane's body within a bush along the road leading off the golden state freeway. This time they didn't want her body to be easily found or displayed. So after this murder, I mean the two cousins they felt invincible. They talked about kidnapping and even younger girl. Andelo said, you gotta, you gotta try a virgin, a schoolgirl, a quote unspoiled, barely ripe, helpless girl. Kenny was getting so excited he was always fantasized about things like this. Oh he fantasized about the buttery baby skin and the little voice. An Angelo said, nothing beats a young girl's helplessness and fear.

So they start on their drive and that's when they spot two young girls, 12-year-old Dolores and 14-year-old Sonia. Now, the two girls had just gotten onto the public bus and they start tailing the bus to the stop that the girls get off at and they quickly flash their police badges at them. Hey girls, there's an arm burglar loose in the area. He's considered armed, highly dangerous, and he's going to shoot if he feels cornered. You guys are way too young to be out. Let's get you guys home before something happens. Now the young kids, I mean, they were really anxious about this because they had just stolen $100 worth of jewelry at the mall. I'm not laughing at that. OK, I'm just, you know, you remember being young

and you're like terrified because you think the tiny little thing that you did is, you know, the police know everything, right? So they're like, oh, shoot, what do we do? Now, they thought that the police would search them in the car or find out somehow, or maybe it would come up on the radio and they'd be in the car already and they wouldn't have a time to run.

So they were panicked. But they convinced them to get into the car. And they do. Once they get to Angela's place, they're still terrified. And even when they start taking off the girls' clothes, truly, this is how innocent they are, they believe that they were being stripped search for their stolen goods. They were both raped, satanized, and sonya was the first to be killed, and Dolores was scared. She was terrified and she kept screaming for it. Where's Sonya? Where's Sonya? Oh, don't worry.

You're gonna see her soon enough. Once both girls were killed, they were dumped in a cow patch. Then we have Christina Weckler, who was 20 years old. She was an honor student at the Pasadena Arts Center of Design I mean just a really respected school for art, right? She happened to live in the same apartment complex as Kenneth Her apartment was like the opposite of his okay very tidy She loved being neat her clothes were always perfectly neat laid out for the next day of school Her one hobby was astrology and she had this giant book that she would lay out for the predictions for that year, for her astrological sign, like her zodiac sign, right? But she would never be able to live it out, because in the same complex, someone was holding a grudge. Kenneth has always remembered that Christina was a girl that rejected him previously.

I mean, how dare she? He's such a catch. Why would anyone want to date him? They would be honored to date someone like him. What was she thinking? So he would do these weird things as his revenge, like he would call her and tell her over the phone that he wants to eat her underwear. And she just thought these were prank calls because I mean that's not- Listen if I got that call I wouldn't think so serial killers ought to get me and be like

what kind of 12 year old is this? Who's calling me? What a prank! Like, it doesn't sound that serious. So one day, after Kenny moves out of the unit, he goes back to knock on Christina's door with his fake police badge. Hey, do you remember me? I used to live like down the hall, listen. I'm part of the police reserve now, and I know the badge is super lame, okay? I've been patrolling the neighborhood and I notice that your car it's the Volkswagen right? Yeah yeah well someone crashed into it in the parking lot. You want to come down? I can help you write up a report and help you collect your insurance. In the

parking lot are you kidding? Okay so she grabs her stuff and she rushes down with him but instead of getting to the Volkswagen, her car, which by the way, was completely fine. She gets pulled into a Cadillac. Driven all the way to Andalos, she was raped, sotimized, and tortured sexually for hours, because this was someone that Kenny was upset with. This is someone that Kenny wanted to date, essentially. But Andalos was just sick of torturing his victims. He didn't like killing them by bringing them back and forth from death and back, right?

He wanted to do something more. Something exciting. Like a little mad scientist. Besides, it would be a waste to not use his supplies. You see, when his mom was dying of cancer, he decided to go to the hospital to visit her. But also to steal some supplies. Some syringes, some needles, you know, you know the likes. So they experimented by grabbing the syringe, filling it with Windex,

the heavy duty glass and mirror cleaner, the scary blue liquid that smells like just pure chemical, and they injected it both into Christina's arms and her neck. She started convulsing violently, but she failed to die. I mean, thankfully, she didn't die, but they were upset by this. Okay. Now, Angela wasn't done having a sick fun. So he grabbed a gas pipe that he bought for the stove. He hadn't used it yet. So he hooks it up to the gas line, connects the other end to her neck, puts a giant plastic back over her head and seals her in to breathe in straight gas. And instead of just letting it flow like, okay, I know that the phrasing is so off, but

what I'm saying is, he wanted to torture her, so he would turn it on and off. So instead of the strangling of bringing her back and forth, he was now doing this with gas. And then finally, the plastic bag stopped moving and she was dead. Christina's body was found around Thanksgiving. So we have Judy Miller around October 31st and Thanksgiving is the end of November. So all of this takes place in the span of a month in Los Angeles. And of course, the police and the detectives, they're getting stressed.

Detective Grogon, who was investigating yet another murder when he searched Christina's place, he was heartbroken. He had found her diary. She had wrote about her friends and family. She wrote specifically that she was so happy that her parents loved her. And even though this is illegal, Detective Grogan could have lost his job, he pocketed the diary. He had read through the whole thing there was nothing of use to the investigation.

It didn't need to sit in evidence. He wanted to give it to Christina's parents, so they could have a piece of her left. And when Christina's dad got it, he broke down, took out a pen slowly and carefully wrote copyright 1977 by Christina Weckler on top of every single diary entry. So that way, at least her work will be safe and not stolen like Christina was. Now the public was starting to freak out. I mean the hillside strangler is what they called the serial killer. Everyone kind of assumed that there was just one, right? Now, Angela and Kenny, they were ecstatic. They were

finally getting the attention that they so rightly deserved. The respect, the fear, the admiration. Kenny even invested in the subscription to Time Magazine so he could read all about the murders all day. Sometimes when Kenny went to work his female colleagues were freaking out about the murders. Well, what if it happens to us? What do we do? Kenny would try to tease them. Insight them really.

You guys never really know. You think you're dangerous? It's dangerous out there? How do you know that Hillside Str strangler can't just be about anyone? What if they work here? Kenny shut up like stop trying to freak us out. What's wrong with you? No freaking way. Yeah, Angela was having a blast too. He would call up his family members Guys, I'm so worried about my daughter Grace, you know the one that he molested frequently

I'm just so worried about her. She needs to know, the one that he molested frequently. I'm just so worried about her. She needs to watch out for this strangler guy that's loose in Los Angeles. I bet it's some weirdo that escaped from a mental institution or something. God, what kind of place is this? Now is time to go back to not only scare the city, but also they weren't in the news anymore. You know, after a couple of weeks it kinda died down. They needed to blow off steam. Kenny was going through it at home. He had gotten into a fight with Kelly, she was heavily pregnant, emotions were flying,

instead of handling it like adults. What am I saying? This is Kenny we're talking about. Instead of being a nice person, he punched her straight in the face. And like many abusers, immediately he starts apologizing, crying, oh my god I can't believe I did that. What it was come over me, I need help. I'm so sorry But Kelly refused to tolerate it. She packed her bags and went to go stay with her brother now as you can see Kenny's going through it. Okay poor little Kenny was like woo with me. I'm so sad. I'm heartbroken She left me. I don't even know why you know this pent up heartbreak energy that needed to go somewhere

Why? And you know, this pent up heartbreak energy that needed to go somewhere. So they head out with their usual method of kidnapping victims and they come across 18 year old Lauren Ray Wagner. The cousins really picked her because she was a redhead and she had come out of a donut shop and she was this college student studying business. This was like her treat herself. So she had driven all the way from San Fernando Valley into the city And she didn't realize that as she was going back home with this treat I mean she was studying all day and she got this donut as a treat for herself that she was being followed by two guys in a Cadillac so when she gets home she parks near her house So it wasn't like right up in front of her house, but near right she parks the car

She gets out and the Cadillac pulls up. Hey, you're gonna have to come with us. Police. They hold up the fake badge. Wait, what? What? Okay, well, I gotta go tell my dad just in that house right there.

I have to tell him that I'm going to the police station real quick, is everything okay? But before she can, Kenny forcibly drags her into the Cadillac, and the whole time she's shouting, you're not gonna get away with this! You won't get away with this! So because Lauren was screaming so loudly, a neighbor's doberman starts barking like crazy. So the neighbor looks out the window and she sees, she witnesses all of this, okay?

She does tell the police and she gets threatened afterwards. I mean, it's a whole thing. We'll get into it later, right? So a neighbor witnesses the whole thing and they drive poor Lauren 35 minutes back to Angelos place. Did the neighbor call the police? Yeah, but they couldn't really find much. Okay, okay. So they drive Lauren 35 minutes back to Angelos place

and Lauren had a lot of time to think in this car. She decided she was gonna have a strategy. She knew in her heart these were the hillside stranglers, they weren't gonna let her go. These are not people who are just gonna drop her off in the middle of the desert and say, okay, find your way back home. They're gonna kill her.

She felt her best option was to cooperate with them. So back at the house, Angelo does his routine coin toss, which feels rigged by the way, because he wins again, and he takes Lauren first into this spare room. Now Lauren tries to go with her strategy, which feels rigged by the way because he wins again, and he takes Lauren first into the spare room. Now Lauren tries to go with her strategy, which is just co-operate. And she kept telling him, you really don't need to do all of this, like, I like having sex,

really, it's fine. Like, you guys are handsome, it's okay. And while she's being raped, she pretended to enjoy it. Like imagine how hard and traumatizing that is for someone. An angel who came out of the room, excited, telling Kenny, oh this is the best one yet, she knew what she was doing, she liked it, you're gonna have a blast. Unfortunately, nothing, no matter what plan or strategy Lauren had, these were killers that were gonna kill her. There was really nothing she could have done, nothing anyone could have done. This time they also experimented, not with Windex but with wires, so they hooked her up with electrical cords from his

auto shop and plugged it into an outlet and they kept electrocuting her over and over and over again. When it didn't kill her, an angelo got bored, he said, well Kenny, let's just go back to the old method and they murdered Lauren. After they dumped her body, they were honestly getting pretty nervous about the police catching on to them. They had to derail the investigation. Nothing could ever lead to them, you know? So they had something in the works. Kenny noticed an apartment on the ground floor that was vacant. He asked the landlord, hey, can I can I take a tour? Yeah, I live on the

third floor, but I always like the idea of a ground floor. Maybe I look at it, maybe I swap my lease or something. So he takes the tour and he's very excited that there's a giant balcony, you know, a back door. So excited, in fact, that he leaves the glass door unlocked. What does that mean? So he has access through the balcony door into this ground floor vacant apartment.

Got it. Right, the cousins start browsing for girls, usually not the way that they for girls, uh, usually not the way that they usually do, right, which is go out in their catalog, but this time through magazine ads. And they find an ad that says sexy, young, nude model. Describe your dream girl and she will be on the way to you immediately. Call. So can he calls up the service using a pay phone and gives the address of that apartment on the ground floor? The cousins, they sneak in together. They're waiting for their dream girl to show up

and her name was Kimberly Martin. Now the sad part about this is that she was a sex worker and she was actually worried about the hillside strangler. She thought it would be safer to advertise her services on a magazine where it's somewhat traceable rather than on the street. So they flash her police badge. You have to come with us. We have to take you to the police station, which we know is Angela's place.

And she fought back. I mean, she was on high alert. She was worried about the hillside stranglers. So when they take her out into the apartment hallway, she's not screaming, help me! Help me! They slam her back into the apartment. She hit her head.

They get up into her face. They push it into her back. You feel that? That's a knife. One more sound, we kill you. Okay? You'll be dead. So, once they terrified her into silence, they brought her out into the car.

She tried to reason with them. She was being smart, strategic, listen guys. Sorry that I screamed, I was just scared, you know. I'll do anything you want, please, just don't hurt me. I have a little boy waiting at home. Just shut up. It's probably best you just sit there and don't say anything. So back at the police station, Angela's house, Angela won the coin toss, but he came out

disappointed and he told Kenny, quote, lousy f*** just absolutely lousy. Once Kenny was done assaulting her, they decided to not experiment. They decided to just kill her using their good old Strangle method. They honestly, I think we're a bit nervous because they kept talking about how it had been too close of a call. They knew it. And sure enough, a few days later, it was all over the papers. A woman named Kimberly Martin was found laying spread eagle on her back on the slope of

the hill within sight of city hall. Can you believe the audacity? The whole side strangler has? Normally, this type of press, this type of news, this type of attention would have been such a moment this happy moment for Kenny, but he was upset. He had been forced to move out of his apartment. He was fired from his job for missing too much work.

And his boss had found out that he had been lying about cancer, remember? Because he was boss finally found out and he was like, damn it! So Kenny was forced to move in with Kelly's brother and his friends, which he had always been jealous of. And he felt like he needed to blow off steam, but he couldn't. The cousins at this pact, they were going to stop killing for a while. They were getting too reckless, too excited. The last one was too close to a call. And Angela was worried that Kenny was enjoying the publicity too much. It's not like you're famous, dude. He kept acting like he was Brad Pitt.

Like people were talking about him. No! And on top of that, Kenny had done something incredibly stupid. Okay, let me explain. So Kenny reapplies for the LAPD. And without even getting in, in one of the interviews he asks the police officers interviewing him. Hey, can you take me to where the bodies were done for the whole side-strangler case? Why?

He just wanted to go. They're like, no, you're weird. We're not gonna hire you. You're too excited about that case. What's your deal? And they didn't take him but Angela was pissed. He was like, what are you thinking? What are you doing? What's wrong with you? Don't ever do that again. I was so bossy. Yeah, that's so stupid Kenny. What's wrong with you? So in the stress of all of that, Angela goes and blows off steam by sleeping with one of his son's girlfriends. And Kenny tries to get his life together.

He starts a new job at a local nursing home, and he romantically tries to get Kelly back by going to birthing classes with her. Sure, he's still cheating on her. Yeah, he's still murdering people, but it's gonna be okay. He starts on his off-time picking up young girls at Glendale High School, taking them to a deserted abandoned house to have sex and huff paint. Okay, which was essentially room spray, but you get the idea they were huffing paint. You would drive around young girls sometimes as young as 14 years old to quote, drink in his car. And while he tried to seduce them in the hills of

LA, I mean it's just what? So things are not going great for the cousins, but Kenny's anger spikes again when his beloved Cadillac gets repote for missing payments. And he felt it was all Sabra and Becky's fault. Remember the girls from part one where they held them hostage, sold them into sex slavery essentially? I mean, it was bad. But he said if they hadn't left, if they just had stayed and been miserable and been f***ed every single day multiple times a day by all these men and never got paid a penny. He could be rich! And he'd still have his catalog! God, now how is he gonna impress the high schoolers? What about his freaking catalog?

So once passed December to February 16th, they try to stay under the radar, but can he can't take it anymore? His life is miserable. Angelo's life is miserable. They keep talking to each other like I have so much potential. But I'm not, you know, achieving it, I hate my life. We have degrading jobs.

We don't have a card to impress people anymore. And Kenny is really going through it. I mean, he's like really upset. He's depressed. So Angelo's like, okay, okay. Why don't we go for a ride? I'm sick of you complaining. Who knows?

Maybe something exciting will happen And immediately Kenny feels better. They start driving around the valley as a nice day out And it must have been their lucky day because around noon they spot a blonde girl sitting alone at a bus stop Hey Kenny, don't you think she needs some company? Let's ask if she wants to go to a party in Hollywood So they pull over and she kept turning it down. No, it's fine. No, thank you. The no thank you. Angela gets upset. He leaps out of the car, grabs her by the wrist and is trying to pull her into the car when at that exact moment, a car pulls up behind them and a woman furiously jumps out of it and starts yelling,

you leave her alone. What are you doing? Leave her alone. Start running towards them, grabbing for the girl at the bus stop. You're coming with me dear! Don't let these nasty men bother you! Let her go! The cousins froze. They let go of the girl. They jump back into the car and ask her driving around. Angelos pissed and he keeps telling Kenny that lady that pulled up that stopped the whole thing. She's lucky she was old. She's lucky she wasn't worth a- Because I would've raped and killed her too. So the woman at the best stop and that quote, old lady, her name was Jan.

She was an absolute hero. When the two women walked into a police station, the police just brushed them off. They didn't believe it. There had been a lot of prank leads, phony leads, about the hillside strangler. This old lady looks like she would accuse anyone of being the hillside strangler. You know how old people are, they're paranoid. So they did not take their statement seriously. And Kenny and Angela didn't even care about almost getting caught. All of those months of pent up energy, of trying to stand to their radar, had piled up and boiled over, and now,

now they just needed to kill. They had to. So they take a break because Kenny has to go to the nursing home for his shift, right? And that night he comes over and he sees a car parked in the driveway. What? Who is that? Oh, hey Kenny, this is my friend Shirley. My name's actually Cindy. Oh, sorry Cindy. I'm not really that good with names Yeah, she's here to see if she could I can make some floor mats for her car. It was just a customer. Just a customer. Listen, Cindy, call me Angela or Tony, but I gotta talk to my cousin Kenny for a second. Wait here, okay, I'll be right back. And they whisper over into a corner.

Can you believe this? Can you believe our luck? What a, what a gorgeous, I mean, she walks right in at closing time. Listen, we gotta do something. I talked to her. She works nights at the local college. she's on her way to work right now but she hates it, she wants another job soon, she also wants more money for college, she's giving these like dance lessons, oh my god can you seriously believe that?

You can't beat it, a dancer! Okay okay, what about this, Angela, I got it. We tell her we've got a list of jobs but it's in the main house. Once we get her into the house, I mean we've got her good, we just handcuffed her. So they lure Cindy into the main house, and the minute that she sat down on the living room chair, it was too late. She was bound and gagged. Kenny was even more ecstatic when he finally won the coin toss. He even tied her arms and legs, spready-gall on the bed, and they took turns raping her for two hours, before strangling her to death. When it was finally time to clean the place up,

Kenny offered to pick the place this time to dump her body and her car, remember? Because her car is in the driveway. So he chose a place that he used to take the high schoolers from Glendale High School, called Andalus Crest, and it was essentially a cliff. So they drove her car with her body in it and drove it off the cliff, pushed it off the cliff,

letting it tumble down. And almost exactly a week later, Kenny had another child and turned the world. Ryan Bianchi, and he took pictures of his new baby like a proud father. And around that time, he gets a knock on the door. Police open up. How can I help you guys? We got a tip that you'll want to fake police badge. So remember Kelly's brothers roommates? Yes. Well, they were upset with him. Okay. So Kenny had always been

taking their cars without permission and having high schoolers hang around. They thought that was so creepy. But also, they found a fake police badge that they were really concerned about because the police had a press conference saying that they believed the hillside strangler was pretending to be police. So they called a tip into the police, okay? Now when they came to question Kenny, he just was like, no, absolutely not. I mean, you must be mistaken. I just, I would never do something like that. In fact, I want to be a police officer really badly, but I'm not going to go around with

a fake police badge or something if you don't have the dignity, the duty of a police officer, I mean like you guys, look at you guys and they didn't, they just ate it up and they let him go so he rushes over to Angelo's, oh my god can you believe in Angelo they ate that, I fooled the cops again the idiots didn't even ask for my ID they just took my word, cause let me show you if they had seen my ID he pulls out his ID and on the front of his ID is just his regular ID, his address, his name,

but on the back, Kenny, I don't know why, had handwritten and like sharpie I guess, right? The address where Kimberly, her body was tossed. I can't believe this. So Angela is frozen, like what? Why did you write that? Are you sure they didn't see this? Are you sure? What is wrong with you? What if Kelly saw this? What did you write that? Are you sure they didn't see this? Are you sure? What is wrong with you? What if Kelly saw this? What if someone saw this? What if someone you lived with saw this? What if all those rooms? Why would you do that? That's so risky. And he kept thinking

to himself, Kenny is a loose cannon. And he's gonna get us into trouble. I gotta do something. What's the matter, Angelo? Why are you frozen? Why aren't you saying anything? They didn't see it, I promise. Are you mad? Hello? Angelo quietly walks over to his gun case. Takes out his gun, shoves in a magazine, turns it and points it at Kenny. I had to kill you right now.

Whoa, Angelo, put that down. What's going on? Tony, it's me, it's me, your cousin Kenny. I thought we were in this together. Why? Why would you do this to me? I ain't in nothing, kid. You stupid big mouth, f***ed. How come the cops came to see you three times, but not me once? How come the cops know who the f*** you are to begin with? You don't see any cops f***ing around here. What's the matter with you? You want to blow this up? You talk too much. Okay, you're right.

I'm sorry. I'm just going to play it cool from now on. I promise. Please just put the gun down. He did. But for months there would be no murders from the hillside strangler. Angela was avoiding Kenny. Wanted to shoot him.

Stab him. Stranglim. The more he thought about it, the angrier it got. I mean, how can someone not keep their big mouth shut for even two seconds? What's wrong with him? So the distance between the two cousins gets greater and greater. Angelo gets married to a woman from Hong Kong. She mainly married him for Avisa, okay?

And then meanwhile, Kenny's life is falling apart yet again. Kelly wanted to go live in her hometown in Washington state. She didn't, he didn't want to go, but he wanted to go with her. Like be with her. What do you think, Angelo? What do you think I should do? Should I just force her to stay? No, Kenny, I think you should leave, and if you don't leave, I'll kill you. So you better go." And that's how Kenny found himself headed out of Los Angeles, and into Washington. He even

wrote a poem about his feelings, said he was going through a lot. The poem went like this. There is much winter sadness, along a frozen lake under moonlight. For there are one's memories, tires of a squal of thought, were a framework of white spines. Death, he thought. The death of dreams caught within the icy waters. We remembered what was one's mind and never. We'll be mine once more. Lord, why, then, this winter, weeping into my soul,

a frozen lake under moonlight? I don't know what any of that means, okay? Just dudes doing too much. So he felt this poem was beautiful. Just represented him as feelings. And honestly, everyone should read it because it was just so just talent. Just read off talent off the page, okay? So in Bell and Ham, Canny actually managed to get into the police force. So he did have to undergo training, but this beats the job that he had prior at the hardware store where he had met this woman

named Karen, which was nice because he wasn't interested in Kelly anymore because she had a baby. Now she's fat. Karen was hot, but this new job, even though he won't see Karen anymore, was good for him. So he takes that police job, but he can't stop thinking about Angelo. He can't stop thinking about how much he misses Angelo. He thought about him all day, all night, his strength, his anger, how Angelo would grab

girls with his big hands, how Angelo was such a hot magnet to these girls, how Angelo hated him now. So in his sadness, Kenny masturbated into a rabbit for a rug over and over again, without cleaning it. Just like masturbated onto a rug and then he would tuck it away in the closet. So it was just like a really gunky rug. I'm so sorry. Okay. So anyways, one day Kelly is going through their things and she finds the rug and it's all disgusting. It's gooey. Just exactly how you would imagine and she wanted to talk to Kenny about it. I mean, she wasn't mad, she wasn't judgmental, but she just felt like what's going on? Like you don't talk to me, I feel like you're a zombie in this relationship, your head is obviously somewhere else.

And you just kept saying, I don't know what you're talking about, but he kept going at it, kept masturbating into the rabbit rug thinking about all those women he killed. So she's finally sick of it and she's like, just move out dude, like we're not getting along, just move out. Okay, sounds good. She doesn't even fight it. So he moves out and all he can think about is how he wants to show Angelo that he's not some dumb idiot, that he can be the main character, he can be more Angelo than Angelo

could ever be. I'm gonna be someone that that old guy Angelo would look like a loser next to an amateur. So after he moves out he calls Karen, the one that he met at the hardware store, but she's not home. Her roommate Diane picks up. Listen Diane, can you ask Karen to call me? I have a house sitting job for you guys. If you want to make a hundred dollars you just have to watch this house. Oh, okay, yeah, I'll tell Karen and we'll think about it. So the woman agreed, $100 for one day of house sitting, I mean, that's a lot. So they meet up with him at a house that he was staying at, and everyone had gone on vacation, his landlords, and he had prepped the entire place. He put rope into the basement where he was planning on killing them. Now all he had to do was wait.

So first he asked Karen to come check the lights in the house with him. Diane, please just wait outside, I'm just gonna show Karen how to use the lights. And it really just was a minute. He ambushed her in the basement, wrapped the cord around her neck, started pulling, and it was so fast that Karen didn't even have time to make a sound. He did it so aggressively that the cord cut through Karen's flesh. And he rushed down and he got Diane just as he did with Karen and strangled her immediately. Now he was exhausted, and he didn't even really feel turned on, not even aroused, but, but he masturbated onto the two bodies, because I don't know, it's like on brand for him,

I guess. So to get rid of them, he places them in Karen's car, drives near a school, less than one mile from the house, and left the car with the bodies in there. Walks back to the house, picks up his car, and drives away. Now the whole ride felt so good about himself. He had gotten away with it. He couldn't wait for it to be on the news, and he forgot to ask himself, you know, one

really good question. Did Karen and Diane tell anyone about their house-sitting plans? Oh my god. Was that really his exit strategy? Assuming that they told nobody. Nobody had any idea what they were planning to do that day? He didn't think of that question. Oh no, no he didn't.

Well Kenny was in for a rude awakening because Karen had told her boyfriend. Even mentioned Kenny by name. And when Karen didn't turn up the next morning, he called the police, and the police searched the women's apartment, found a notepad, and in Diane's handwriting, they saw Kenny called ... call back. Looking for Karen. So he was immediately arrested for suspicion of double-homicide. The bodies were found, I mean, instantly.

It was like near a school, okay? Like probably the most policed area possible. At his place, they found a ton of things that he had stolen. They interviewed Kelly, who said that they came from LA, and he really only didn't have friends in LA. He just hung out with his cousin, Angelo. Once the LAPD put two and two together, Angelo was questioned right away, and he was a tough cookie. He refused to talk to the police about anything, so they didn't even have a basis for a warrant for his arrest. And that's when they find a guy named Marcus Camden.

So Marcus claimed that he was the last one to see Judy alive that night, which is their second victim, the 15 year old girl. He said that they had sex the night that she went missing. At first he was nervous to come to the police because she was a sex worker and it was illegal for him to hire her, but he wanted to come forward now. They had sex at his house. He had asked her, do you want to get coffee afterwards and to hire her, but he wanted to come forward now. They had sex at his house. He had asked her, do you want to get coffee afterwards and they left together, but while they were walking, she was like, listen, I don't really have much time.

I need to make some more money before the day ends. So they quickly get coffee at a diner, and afterwards they split up. Judy leaves on her own, and she's kind of waiting around the street, waiting for someone to approach her. Now, Marcus, I mean, he's kind of watching through the window when a car pulls up and it was Angelo. He remembered what the driver looked like, generally the description that he was going in, everything, the car, and in a police line up, he was able to ID Angelo.

So now they had Angelo. And remember the other witness, that's all Lauren Scream, the one with the Doberman? Well her name was Mrs. Stofofer, okay? So she saw Lauren get abducted and she went to the police with this and told them everything. And then that night she got a phone call from what we can presume to be Angelo and she said it sounded like a deep New York City accent

or something of that sort. And they just kept saying, you the lady with the dog, well you better keep your mouse shut about what you saw you talked to anyone about it you're as good as dead I don't know how anyone would know Maybe he had seen someone through the window and was like oh I gotta take care of that I just don't know So Mrs. Stofer later was able to ID Angelo and Kenny So the investigation though definitely was not always this smooth There was a man from Germany who was a detective in Germany Who kept writing to the LAPD? I'm gonna solve this case. You just need to get me a plane ticket to LA

I don't even want to get paid just get me to LA and when they do he didn't speak any English He gets into the police like operating room. Is that what you call it? Like the operations room, right? And he gets on the blackboard and writes in big letters in German, by the way, not even in English, to Italian brothers, maybe 35 years old. Which is not wrong. How did he know that? I don't know, but the police officer

who spoke German translated it and the rest of the team was just not impressed. But how did he know that? I had no idea, oddly enough, weird, right? So strange. Just like where did that come from? He was literally in Germany. What's going on?

And it didn't seem like these Italian brothers had any connections in Europe, let alone Germany. I mean, they're from frickin' Rochester to York, OK? So while Kenny's in jail, he starts coming up with a way to escape. I mean, it's only a matter of time before the police pinned the murders on him, right? And all I can think about was a movie that I had seen called The Three Faces of Eve, Eve, with someone who had DID.

And Kenny thought, wow, this is a great way to get a plea deal, is to pretend to have DID. Now I'm going to get so frustrated here, okay? DID is a diagnosis, okay? This is a recognized diagnosis, and it does affect a small portion of our population. It is incredibly traumatic. There is a lot of therapy that's required for someone with DID. This is not a joking matter.

Like, when people pretend to have mental illnesses, when they're just people, it's like, no. Most people with DID, they would never hurt another soul. If anything, they would hurt themselves first. Does that make sense? Like, no, most people with DID, they would never heard another soul if anything they would hurt themselves first Does that make sense? Like no one thinks anyone with DID is going around killing people But he was like oh, this is gonna be great Especially because the Billy Mulligan case was a year ago Billy Mulligan was a serial rapist who Was the first in the United States to be found not guilty by reason of insanity because he had

a DID diagnosis. Now it's still kind of controversial to say whether this guy did have DID, not because of the DID diagnosis itself, but because of the way that he really handled himself after. Anyways, Kenny starts going around claiming he had amnesia. He's like, I don't remember anything. Like, nothing. Starts pulling out all of his acting cards. Oh, I have amnesia, I had a rough upbringing, I was shut out my whole childhood, and because

of that, I think I shut out my childhood. Do you know what I mean? Like, it's so dark, I bury my dark thoughts. I'm not a confrontational person. I like to bury my feelings. I just don't want to think about it again. Now the psychologist in jail has to take it seriously, because you can't assume that he's faking it and he suggested hypnosis.

Can he so excited? He's like, oh yeah, I mean, I studied psychology briefly. I'm easily gonna trick the psychiatrist into thinking that I have DID because you can't be hypnotized unless you want to be. So Kenny lays down, he goes through the hypnosis process, and the psychiatrist says, I would like to talk to you. I've talked to Ken, but I think there's another part of Ken that I haven't talked to. Another part that feels somewhat different from the part that I've talked to.

I would like to communicate with that other part. Will you please communicate with me? When you're here, please lift the left hand off the chair to signal to me that you're here. Would you please come so I can talk to you? Would you please lift Kenny's hand to indicate to me that you're here? And slowly Kenny raises his left hand, I would like for us to talk together. We don't even need to talk to Kenny, you know, unless you want Kenny to be here. Will you talk to me by saying that you are here? If you want to talk to me, please indicate that by saying, I'm here. Now again, people that actually have DID, they have altars.

From my knowledge and correct me if I'm wrong, I don't think you can just switch on command. I believe with a diagnosis like DID, it's not like you can just like, oh, now I'm Kenny, right? I think it genuinely, you just like black out and then something happens and you don't really know what happens and that was your alter, that was presenting, if that makes sense.

That's my knowledge of DID, right? So I think there was a lot of controversy about how this psychiatrist even got to this diagnosis because it's just, a lot of people don't agree with his steps that he took. So anyways, Kenny lowers his voice and he says yes. I think that maybe you are the same thing as Ken or maybe you're a little bit different in some way. Can you talk a little bit louder so I can hear you?

I am not him. Then who are you? Do you have a name? I'm not Ken. Okay, then who are you? Tell me about yourself. I don't know. Do you have a name that I can call you by? Steve. You can call me Steve.

Okay, Steve. Well, just get comfortable here. I'd like to talk to you. If you're not Ken, can you please tell me about yourself, Steve? What do you do? I hate him. You what? I hate him. I hate Ken. He tries to be nice, but I hate a lot of people. He tries to be friends with people, but I hate people. Okay, Steve, what do you do? I hate my mother. I fixed Ken good when he went to California. What do you mean by that? I can't tell you. You would wrap me out to Ken. He won't tell me. You have to tell me, Steve. I was with him that night, and he starts laughing like a stereotypical maniac with laugh in

like those movies. He's like, he walked in with his cousin Angelo. An Angelo had a girl over. Which by the way, again quick disclaimer, even Kenny himself has admitted to faking D.I.U.D. He was diagnosed with a personality disorder with sexual sadism, but he does not have DID. He is confessed that this was all a scam to get out of prison, okay? So, just putting that out there.

Anyways, he claims that he got into Ken's head that night when Angela had a girl over. Ken walked into the middle of Angela killing this girl, and Steve made Ken feel like he was a part of it. He forced Ken to think all of these morbid thoughts like there's nothing wrong with killing. He's getting revenge at his mom that he hates so much right and he said and I made sure he really didn't know what was going on. So did he go on to kill many people? Yes, but I made him do it. I made him think that it was his mother. He thought he was killing all the people that he hated. Now, he had just stated that Ken didn't hate anybody and only Steve carried the hatred, but the doctor didn't mention this, okay?

So he kept saying, oh yeah, I tricked him good. He couldn't even figure it out later, would he have done or why? So Ken just forgot about it all? Yeah, I wouldn't let him remember. I made him strangle them. Okay, well Steve, thank you. I guess you can go back where you need to go. I want to talk to Ken. You can stay under hypnosis, but Ken, I want to talk to you. Will you come back?

Ken, when you're here, please say, I'm here. I'm here. Ken, do you know about Steve? Steve. Who's Steve? Well, I'm sure in the next few weeks you'll learn a lot know about Steve? Steve? Who Steve? Well, I'm sure in the next few weeks you'll learn a lot more about Steve and for the next few weeks Ken kept it up He wrote in his diary. The name Steve keeps popping into my head. It feels familiar but not familiar I think I know something now about myself. There was another stranger another person inside of me I think he calls himself Steve. He hates me. He hates my mom. He hates a lot. I feel this person wants to get me.

Now all of these things would be incredibly sympathetic if he really did have DID, but he had just watched like 25 million movies on DID and just felt like you know what? I'm just gonna wing it, okay? He kept saying that how he had dreams about someone who was his twin, but the exact opposite of him. So he had dreams about someone who was his twin but the exact opposite of him. So he was nice and this Steve was evil. He didn't want to murder people Steve. All he wanted to do was murder women, right? They felt like his insides were at war. And he said that I feel stronger, but I feel scared. I feel hate, but I don't feel like reacting to the feeling, why does Steve hate me so much? Where did he come from? Why

does he hate so much? The psychiatrist did the inkblot test with Steve, and every little thing he said was very obscene. He said things like, oh, that looks like too elephant's fang. That looks like a big dick. That looks like an abortion. Meanwhile, when his kens turn, he saw, for the same pictures, all people dancing, children playing, two men carrying a bucket together.

A butterfly. So the psychiatrists believed Ken might have DID, but he still believed that he should stand trial for all of his crimes. And the police they were really skeptical about this whole DID thing, okay? Not a DID in general, I mean maybe they were because this was like in the 80s, right? But they really specifically didn't really believe anything Ken said. They wanted him to slip up. And his altar's name was Steve Walker.

And the police remembered that name. I somebody that Kenny had actually tried to steal the identity of, to open up a business. No way. So they were like, what's going on? Because the psychiatrist believed that Steve Walker, his altar had been around since he was a child. And that's what was told by Steve or Ken, right?

I'm gonna say Ken because Steve doesn't exist because Ken doesn't have DID. Right. So in 1980, while in prison Ken gets a letter from a woman named Veronica Lynn Compton, okay? He's still going on pretending like he has DID, you know, he's going through all of that and he gets a letter from Veronica and she was writing to him because she was working on a script called the mutilated cutter. It was a play It was a play that she was gonna star in it was inspired by the Hillside Strangler case But with a feminist twist Because the serial killer would be a woman and Veronica would play it herself She even had a dough that squirts out

That she collected male sperm and she would be a necrophiliac in the play and she would squirt, she would assault these corpses with the dildo filled with fake sperm and would squirt the sperm in there. Does that make sense to make it look like a man had a assault of these women but it was really a dildo with sperm that she somehow magically collected? Okay, this was her play. This was her idea of like, I'm gonna make it on Broadway. Camelton, look at this, right? What she starts writing the play, she starts fantasizing about having a relationship with Kenny. She felt like they would have a beautiful sex life together. And she told that to Ken so they would call each other in the prison cells, which oddly were not

monitored for some reason, and she would orgasms talking to him on the phone. Eventually she would come to visit him in prison and they would talk for hours. During these romantic meetings they both realized that both of them were obsessed with the idea of necrophilia. You know what they say when you start dating find some common ground, okay? What is it like Kenny? Just pick a girl out random have sex with them and kill them Well Veronica, it's kind of like a kid going down the street seeing all these candy shops and picking any candy that they want You don't even have to pay for it. You just take it. You just do what you want. It's the best thing ever Kenny wouldn't it be cool if we go on a killing spree together like when you get out

We could live together and we could kill dozens of people, we could keep the bodies in the basement, and then one day we could just commit suicide together. I know, we could cut off all their parts, we could have a collection, a box of vaginas, clitoris and penises. She used much more graphic terms, I'm trying to use the medical terms. And keep them in jars! We could just take them out and look at them! What if we did that? Or what if Veronica? What if in real life you strangled someone to make it look like a man did it?

Not just any man, but the same man that killed Karen and Diane. You get a bellingham, kill a girl, leave Simon on her, and that would show the police that they arrested the wrong man! It can't be me! Oh my god, yes! But wait, I need your sperm. So somehow, uh, he masturbates into a glove. A latex glove keeps it around, gives it to her. I don't know how he smuggles it out.

Then Veronica hops onto a plane, with a wig on pretending to be pregnant she had a pillow under the dress Flies to belling him takes a taxi to the local school campus goes to these nearby bars and finds a woman That she likes invites her to her hotel to do cocaine with her Cocaine, let's do it. She's like now. Thank you. You're pregnant But I can drop you off at the motel and and when she does, she keeps begging no please, like let's just have one glass of wine together, or water, like I'm just so lonely. I just, I need some friends. Her name is Kim.

Okay, yeah, I mean I feel bad I guess, right? This pregnant woman's so lonely. They get into the motel room, Veronica jumps out of the bathroom with a wire cord, tries to strangle her. Thankfully, Kim is strong. The rose Veronica off runs out of the room and a few days later she reports Veronica to the police. And they were very quick to track her down.

Once she was caught, Kenny's undying love for her? Well, it died, okay. He didn't find her useful anymore because she would be in prison till 2003. She did try to make Kenny jealous by dating another serial killer and there was even an article written about it Hillside Strangler dumped for sunset slayer You're kidding me. Yeah It's like the TMZ of serial killers. It's really bizarre TMZ of serial killers, it's really bizarre. Yay!

Kenny was offered a plea deal to testify against Angelo. In exchange, he would be sentenced to life in prison, no death penalty. Meanwhile, Angelo in prison confesses to a cellmate that he murdered the girls. And he did it because they deserved to die. It had to be done. So on Halloween the sixth anniversary of Judy Miller's body being found, Angela was found guilty of all counts of the hillside Strangler murders. He was sentenced to life in prison, the jury did not want to give him death, because they felt it was unjust to give him a harsher punishment than Kenny.

Now there were some like, what the heck moments? So when Detective Grogon was escorting Kenny from Bellingham to LA, Kenny had to use the restroom. Now they were gonna watch him nonstop. They're not gonna let this guy just pee and pee, you know? They've seen way too many James Bond movies. So they're literally watching him pee. And they couldn't help it. They just had to take a peek. So all the police, they pee over the stall, and they look at, well, Kenny's little Kenny. over the straw and they look at, well, Kenny's little Kenny. And the LAPD joked and I'm not finding this funny, I'm telling you they joked that Kenny

couldn't have been the one to sort ofize the woman because he was too small. I don't know how I feel about that. Angela's lawyer also filed a motion in court saying that Angela was suffering cruel and unusual punishment. That was against his constitutional rights as an American citizen. What happened, you ask, right? Well, they had taken away Angela's red silk underwear in prison. Silk underwear? Yes, and that was cruel and unusual punishment, because now he's got hemorrhoids.

I don't know if that's the reason. I don't know if he has hemorrhoids, but they said that was cruel and unusual punishment. And the judge ordered the silk underwear to be returned back to Angelo. So he was just wearing silk undies in prison. Kenneth Bianchi is currently held in the Washington State Penitentiary for his crimes. In 2002, Angelo had died of a heart attack. And that is the story of the hillside stranglers. Wow. It's gruesome, it's dark, and I know this case probably made you angry. I tried to keep my emotions in check, but trust while I was researching this whole case,

I just had so many moments where I wanted to throw this book, I wanted to throw my laptop, I wanted to throw my computer out the wall because it's like, what is happening? What are people? They're not even people. These are disgusting scum of the earth. So stay safe out there and don't trust people with badges, right? I mean, let's say they're real, let's say they're not.

Still don't trust them that hard, okay? Just be skeptical all the time. And I hope you guys enjoyed this week's mini-sode, and I'll see you on Wednesday for the main episode. Bye.