Rotten Mango - #153: The Unicorn Killer (Case of Ira Einhorn)

Episode Date: April 6, 2022

Unicorns are mystical creatures. They are so rare that most of us wouldn’t know what to do if we came across one. When the inmates heard that the Unicorn Killer was joining them - they were terrifi...ed. Most of them had heard of the Unicorn, heard the whispers. How even the CIA was terrified of the Unicorn. How the Unicorn evaded capture for 20 years. But nobody could answer the one pressing question the inmates had - what happens when you come face to face with a real-life Unicorn? Full Source Notes: rottenmangopodcast.com To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:32 Welcome to this week's main episode of Rotten Mango. I'm your host Stephanie Sue. And we all kind of have a different word for this, but there's one site everyone in the world might be familiar with, an animal that has been used in Folklorous tales myths stories and now on cakes and pool floaties. You know what I'm talking about the mystical unicorn in recent depictions it looks like a graceful white Stallion horse with that unmistakable single head on its head Single head on it. Yeah, it's exactly with the unmistakable single head on its head. Single head on it. Yes, exactly. With the unmistakable single horn on its head and an air of mystery,
Starting point is 00:01:12 intrigue, gentle knowledge and power. Did you know that the ancient Chinese said unicorns are so gentle that they do not crush a single blade of grass when they walk? Who said this? Your brothers and your sisters from way back, I'm just kidding. The European myths from the Middle Ages, they said that unicorns are pure animals
Starting point is 00:01:31 that are untouchable by men, because men are the ones that want to capture a unicorn. A unicorn will only appear to approach a virgin maiden and lay its head on her lap. The unicorn symbolizes the spiritual creature that is almost too good for this world. A unicorn's horn is set to have curing powers, can cure even the worst diseases, the worst plagues, can even be used as an aphrodisiac. You're like, are unicorns even real?
Starting point is 00:01:59 I guess even if you don't believe they are, they are seen as spiritual animals, spiritual guides and protectors to some. They remind us that there's strength in being gentle. Aggression is not the same as power or courage. That's what people say about unicorns. So when the inmates heard that the unicorn killer was joining them in prison, they were terrified. Most of them had heard of the unicorn. There were whispers of the unicorn, but they had never seen the unicorn in person. They had never been in the same room or in the same vicinity as the unicorn. Typically, unicorns are not capturable. That's the thing. There was something untouchable about the unicorn. There were whispers that the CIA, even themselves, were scared of the unicorn.
Starting point is 00:02:41 That they wanted everyone to believe, oh oh the unicorn doesn't really exist. People said some of the most powerful errors and errors is in the US supported the unicorn and wanted to set the unicorn free. I mean, all that mystery, all that intrigue, inmates couldn't help but wonder what actually happens when you meet a unicorn. What happens when you stand there
Starting point is 00:03:02 and you look at unicorn in the eye? As always, full show notes are available at rottingapodcast.com but there is an incredibly thorough, meticulously research book on this case written by the author, Steven Levy. It's called The Unicorn's Secret. I'm going to be honest with you, it's a super intense read. Like, I'm talking jam packed every single page with information, Stephen went through more than 250 personal interviews to those that were connected to the case. He went through all the public and private documents he could get
Starting point is 00:03:34 his hands on. He put his heart and soul into this and this by far hands down is going to be the best deep dive that you will get on this case. So go grab a copy. With that being said, do you know what goes on in the mind of a guy in college? It's a question that some of us would never want to know. So might even pay money to know. It's definitely something. Should pay money to know. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:03:59 Some people are like, I want to know everything. Here's my money, take it, tell me everything. Some people would be like, I think it's better if we just stay in the dark on this one. I think it's better for humanity, society as a whole. Maybe even the government, if we just don't know. Because do you really want to know what's going on in Chad's head? Probably not, it's traumatizing.
Starting point is 00:04:17 It's something. Ira was a college student. But he wasn't like the other college boys. He was different. He didn't like going to frat parties, flipping upside down on beer kegs, those are for disgusting, sub-intellectuals. This guy is a type of person that would get his coursework and if a class said it out of 10 required books, that you needed to read. And then at the bottom it usually has like a hundred suggested books. He would sit there and read all 110 books and ask the professors for more reading.
Starting point is 00:04:48 He was an intellectual and academic. If you told him any bit of new information, he would stand there and I'm just, I'm just saying this guy seems like a horror to be around. He would say source, source. This guy's source, this sky is blue. Where'd you read that source source? Yeah, that's what he would do. No, and he would go on to read the entire source article book catalog, whatever he could find and find you the next day to let you know his findings. You might think that I read the intellectual was far too busy
Starting point is 00:05:21 reading about philosophy to dabble in, you know, casual dating. But you'd be wrong. I actually loved sex. He said that he lost his virginity at 13 years old, to a 19 year old camp counselor who seduced him, but he's grateful. He said knowing that an older girl wanted to sleep with me, oh, really helped myself confidence. I'll tell you that. Ever since then, he's always just had a thing for 19 year olds. No really, no matter how old he got, he just had a thing for 19 year olds. In high school, he had about 10 sexual experiences, and in college, since he's such an avid note-taker, he's a journalist, he started ranking all of his sexual experiences.
Starting point is 00:06:00 By the time that he had finished college, he had already slept with hundreds of women and he thought that this was completely normal. He even dabbled in gang bangs, but it wasn't his cup of tea. His mom was shocked. That he doesn't like gang bangs? Yeah, she's like, oh I thought that'd be straight up here Ali. Second, fortunately mother was not. Yeah, he told his mom about the gang bangs. Okay, so I rest slept with hundreds and hundreds of women. How do you keep track? How do you remember them? Were you dating them?
Starting point is 00:06:29 Were they all one night stands? He said, actually, I know really nothing about them. I was a sophomore at Junior in college before I began to have this tendency to wanna talk to a girl that was momentarily in my bed. Mainly to give her that feeling that I was really interested in her, you know? Sex is a narcissistic thing when you really think about it.
Starting point is 00:06:48 You're really just having an affair with yourself. You're experiencing yourself and not the girl. The girl is an object. She is an idea, a projection of yourself. You may be having sex with her, but in effect, you've never really met her. You don't really care about her. Still, no, I don't really know anything about them.
Starting point is 00:07:04 I have a made it a a point from then on to ask girls about themselves, not because he really cared, but just because. He just wanted to know who he was sleeping with, so he could write it in his little journal, so he could have a little note to remember them by, but he never told them about himself. It's not that he was shy, clearly. It's not that he didn't think that he was interesting enough. It's not that he was shy, clearly. It's not that he didn't think that he was interesting enough. It's not that he was insecure. It's that these girls were just merely not worth his breath. They did not earn the honor yet of getting to know Ira, the intellectual. So what are Ira's deal breakers in a relationship you ask?
Starting point is 00:07:37 This guy sounds like he's got impeccable standards. Because we know that we're all just dying to date this catch. He said, I can't live very long with someone who doesn't enjoy cunningliness or won't perform filetio on me. I also don't like to sleep with virgins. You know, I have a few times and it was a mess. I much prefer to pick up a girl who is adequate
Starting point is 00:07:56 in terms of sexual experience and she's gonna perform without constantly having being told what to do like that's exhausting. If a girl is important to me and wanted to get married, sure, I would indulge her. It's a corny custom that we should have done away with ages ago, getting married, but if it don't make a girl feel better, you might as well humor her. I'm not actually gonna marry her. What makes all of this more alarming is that outside of his dorm room, and his car and
Starting point is 00:08:23 wherever else he was doing the nasty, I represented himself as a feminist. He would shout to the heavens and back, women are great, they are equal to men, woo! But in his one night stands and even his long term relationships, it's clear he's a raging, abusive, sexist. He did not treat any woman like an equal. If he wasn't interested in sleeping with you, he wouldn't talk to you. He would blatantly ignore you. He wouldn't even look at you. But if he's trying to sleep with you, or he's gonna lay it on thick, but that minute that you reject him or the minute that he sleeps with you and he is conquered, the unconquerable,
Starting point is 00:09:00 he's gonna go back to treating you as subhuman. He felt that all women were simply around to serve. That's all. I mean, it's kind of terrifying that some of the most sexist abusive people hide under the weird facade of, I support women, and then they do this. It's so weird. I really like to date girls that he had power in balances with.
Starting point is 00:09:18 He would take teenagers, girls that just graduated high school, and he would journal about it. And that's how the book Lolita came to be. No, I'm kidding, but I'm not. He journaled about how he had to teach these young girls how to have sex. And sometimes he wouldn't want to have full-on intercourse with them because he wanted the girls to remain innocent. So he taught the mother sexual acts such as Felatio. He journaled about a 16 year old he was dating while he was well into his 20s and he said and I quote,
Starting point is 00:09:46 I have one rather hurt little creature in my hands. A creature who has given me delightful hours while she's been sucking my ass balls and penis with the kind of passion that truly turns me on. So, with the way that Ira talks about sex, you would imagine, with that much experience, you would at least be good at it, right? Right. No. All of his former girlfriends and sexual escopades were interviewed. They said not once. Did they ever orgasm with this guy not once?
Starting point is 00:10:13 Some even tried to tell him about it like, hey, Ira, you're not making me orgasm and I'm getting a little frustrated. And he would just simply say, well that sounds like a you problem. How is that a me problem? You can't orgasm not me great fantastic amazing Maybe it's because there was no small kitten involved. Let me explain one of Iris former girlfriends that he was into Sadism. Well the guy was sick He loved bringing little kittens back to his shower and dumping them in water. He wanted to hear them squeal
Starting point is 00:10:44 Another one messing with cats? Another one. Don't fuck with cats. He even journaled about sadism. He wrote, sadism sounds nice. Run it over your tongue. Sadism. Contemplate the joy, the pains of others. As you expire with an excruciating satisfaction, reveal the filth that you are. Just know that the animal is always there.
Starting point is 00:11:06 Beauty and innocence must be violated, for they cannot be possessed. The sacred mystery of another must be preserved. Only death can do that. Okay, that's really terrifying. I think we would rather not know. Do you think that this is something I was going to grow out of? Maybe, you know, the toxic phrase some people use, oh boys will be boys, they're just a kid. He didn't know anybody, he's just in college, he's finding himself. Or do you think he's gonna be an asshole for the rest of his life and a walking red flag that you're gonna warn all of your friends about?
Starting point is 00:11:39 Or do you think he's gonna grow up to be a beloved figure in a huge community until he's arrested for murder? To get to the answer, we've got to backtrack a little bit. Back to baby Ira. Potentially the only version of Ira that didn't hurt people. We can't be sure though. So don't quote me on it. Ira's Samuel Einhorn was born in Philadelphia, and he actually came from this lower class Jewish family.
Starting point is 00:12:02 His mom, Beatrice, but they call her B, and his dad, Joe, tried to raise him right. Kind of, but the minute that B laid eyes on her older son, her first born son, she was in love. She was in too deep. She said, well, everybody loved him. He was the most beloved child. So B and Joe, they went on to have another son right after Ira, but she didn't seem to fall in love with him like she did with Ira. Everyone around the family knew that he was clearly the least favored and Ira was the family's golden boy like he could do no wrong. Be dooted over him non-stop 24
Starting point is 00:12:39 seven. She wanted this boy to grow up and be someone. Be someone as special as she saw him. He was gonna be a scholar. Oh, no, not a doctor. Not a lawyer. So boring. So lame. So typical. A scholar.
Starting point is 00:12:55 Oh, that has a nice touch to it. A philosopher. That's what she wanted. So B starts teaching him third grade level math. Reading. All of that. Before he even starts kindergarten, be encouraged. I read everything he could get his hands on. And it's going to make him sound and think better. He would sound authoritative. He would sound like he came from prestige, from wealth, from intellect.
Starting point is 00:13:17 That's the vibe. She wanted that old money vibe. And it worked. I felt in love with reading and B was so proud. She remembers this so fondly. She says, oh my sweet boy, would come to dinner, a book in his hand, we would go on vacation sometimes and he would take so many books. You wouldn't even know what to do. It was so heavy those suitcases.
Starting point is 00:13:38 I don't think he slept more than three to four hours a night. Ever! Five would be the top. Oh, we'd be so jet lagged, he'd sleep five hours. I'd get up in the morning, I'd say, Ira, and he'd already be up and reading. He's special, isn't he? Listen, I would be alarmed, and slightly creeped out if my kid was only sleeping that little. I think I would take him to the hospital.
Starting point is 00:13:52 That cannot be good, like, you're sleep deprived kid, but she loved it. What a weird flex. Ira just had this competitive drive. Like, he had this thirst for wanting to know everything, being a little bit more comfortable. I. I ridges had this competitive drive. Like he had this thirst for wanting to know everything, being good at everything, being better than everyone at everything.
Starting point is 00:14:13 I think the best way to describe this guy is, you know, those people that don't want to know facts because they're genuinely interested. They kind of keep it in their memory bank so they can blurt it out randomly. If anything even remotely associated with it comes up. So where's the thing? Yeah, and you're just like, what are you saying? That's not even a normal conversation. That is Ira. He wanted to master it all. So his mom was this huge bridge player, which is a card game that requires quite a bit of strategy. And Ira instead of asking her, hey, can you teach me how to play bridge? He went out got books on bridge read it all up before he even played one game with his mom He did not want to go into the game without knowing what the four he was doing. Oh, that's scary
Starting point is 00:14:55 It's terrifying scary and he was a kid. Yeah, and his mom had no idea that he was reading books on bridge Imagine live life like that. No, I would be terrified of my child. Before we have a fight, he's going to read up all the strategy before the fight even begins. Yes, he's going to read all the books about parenting and then tell me what I'm doing wrong. Oh my god. Do you imagine? So he challenges his mom and his first round of real life playing. His mom said he almost beat her. It was the most terrifying round of her life. I mean, you would never know that this is his first time and he almost beat her. She's been playing this for decades and he's only 10 years old. Can you believe it? I mean,
Starting point is 00:15:34 I hate to admit it, but the kid's pretty advanced, which led to not till great results in school. I know, surprising. It's shocking, but he was just so bored with school. He already knew everything. He actually was able to skip three full shocking, but he was just so bored with school. He already knew everything. He actually was able to skip three full grades, but his dad was worried about him becoming anti-social. So he wasn't, he had to stay behind. He thought it was miserable. He didn't like these friends.
Starting point is 00:15:56 He didn't even like showing up to class. He could take tests without showing up to a single day and gotten the highest grades in all the subjects. But this isn't college, you know, it's like the fifth grade. You got to show up. You see like a genius or something? So he claims he's a genius. It's reported that his IQ was like 140 up.
Starting point is 00:16:15 Oh, that's a genius, right? Yeah, so he's pretty smart. So it's not college, you know, he had to show up. He had to sit there and out of sheer boredom, I would start acting out in class. He would yell in class, he would get out of seat, just start taking a stroll around the class. He said, I had to remain in regular school,
Starting point is 00:16:34 held back out my age level, where I could learn absolutely nothing. It was so excruciating that I threw up my breakfast every morning before school. Thankfully, when Ira moved to a new school, the administrators tried to help him out more. They realized that he's acting out because he was mentally understimulated. So they put him in a bunch of extra curriculars, and it did kind of mitigate him acting out, for the time being at least. He continued to get amazing grades.
Starting point is 00:17:01 And listen, I'm sure there's some truth to the fact that he's very very smart because he was even famous in his community as a little boy They all called him an independent thinker in a nice way. He always had some strange styles He loved wearing Bermuda shorts. You're like, what's wrong with that? Like those cargo shorts And now this was during a time where everybody wore the same thing and during the fifties when he was growing up All the kids were dressed pretty dapper like they were really cute and he's wearing Bermuda shorts and it was said that he had noodle legs So it just didn't it didn't really add much to the Bermuda shorts You're not seeing this as fashion forward or different people were seeing this as him being an outcast like something is genuinely
Starting point is 00:17:42 Wrong with you or you an attention seeker, but I loved it. You see, he developed this bit of an ego. With all the praise, with all the good grades, he felt invincible. He wanted to stand out. He wanted to be different. So by the time that he gets into high school, he had a richer vocabulary than most people would acquire throughout their entire lives. I mean, he would go around saying,
Starting point is 00:18:05 the implementation of this cafeteria pizza is absolutely wretched. Look at all of my emcequeous classmates all wearing the newest fashion trends. Has their frontal lobe been pulverized into smithereens? It is inseparable. It's so hard I like this guy. It's really hard. Now, one of Iris classmates, Mel classmates Mel said he would attempt to dominate conversations That's the type of guy he was
Starting point is 00:18:32 combination like even just a simple conversation about the weather he had to dominate But what's interesting is that today's honey source Source you like look outside. He's like source Visual is perception now Mel said you know it's weird though If he was in the presence of somebody that he knew that had more knowledge than him Like he knew this person knew more than him this person was an expert in their field He would actually be an amazing Conversationalist he would sit there intently listen and respectfully but at the end You would notice that he's trying to figure out where there's person got their information, not because he's trying to check it, but because
Starting point is 00:19:08 he's a little bit upset that they got this information before he did. It's like he was starving for knowledge. I wonder what he would do if he lived in this age then, because everything's online. Oh, he would just be googling non-stop all day long. Oh, he would be so annoying. Oh, he would be so annoying. Oh my gosh. He he wanted to feed his curiosity, right? But the main motivation seemed to be that he wanted to feed his ego as well. He just had this image of himself He's not like a regular suburban kid. He's more of a member of the European intellectual philosophical group of people
Starting point is 00:19:41 That's how he identified himself Sometimes his friends would come over and his mom would let them in. They'd be like, oh, where is Ira? Oh, he's up in his restroom. Okay. So they'd go up to his restroom and he'd be reading in the empty bath tub just taking notes. Just kind of weird. You know, a little bit bizarre for their age, but that was Ira. Now, you're imagining this wimpy kid with his arms quivering at the weight of his books. Not really.
Starting point is 00:20:09 The dude was doing like 100 push-ups a day. He just had this really intense upper body strength. He always seemed to skip leg day though, but people thought it was odd. And because he had this physical strength, he would get into fights to feed his ego. He never really started them. He never really sought them out or looked for them, but he happened to come across a fight.
Starting point is 00:20:31 Oh, he wasn't going to show it away. He was going to hop tap in. Okay, he's going in. He didn't always win the fights, but it didn't hurt his ego. As long as he did damage on the other guy, he was fine with it. He would even tell his friends, and this one's creepy. They're all at a diner. Eating fries, he's probably eating a frickin' salad,
Starting point is 00:20:48 and he's sitting there talking about his fights, and how nothing can hurt him. Oh yeah, okay, sure, Dwayne the Rock Johnson, nothing can hurt you. I'm sure an MMA fighter could probably hurt you. I mean, I'm sure physically, and medically, speaking, that person could do some damage, but I'm talking about actually hurting me.
Starting point is 00:21:05 No, if I don't want to feel something I don't have to because pain is in your head. Okay, okay, Iris is pain is in... Okay, so Ira, if I lit this cigarette and I take it and I press it up against your hand right now, you're gonna feel the pain. Don't be dumb. No, I wouldn't. Okay then let's try it. And this is the story of how five high school kids
Starting point is 00:21:29 hovered around a table at a local diner burning a cigarette into their friend's hand. And sure enough, I read it in a flinch. He didn't even bat an eye. He sat there staring into their souls, hands steady, not a single word. His friends were impressed but they were terrified. I mean, what kind of kid does that in high school?
Starting point is 00:21:49 So after high school, Ira gets into the University of Pennsylvania. Yeah, the same alma mater as Sarma, the Bad Vegan. Amazing school, by the way. Um, cool, cool, cool. Anyway, at first, I ever wanted to major in physics. Sure, the workload is heavy, but he loved it. He likes all the physical stuff. I'm just kidding.
Starting point is 00:22:09 He likes physics, okay? He loved challenging his teachers. If they made a point, I would stand up and say, but Professor, and he would cite some obscure source, and he would say, but did you happen to read this? Because this passage from page 235 contradicts what you just said. Yeah, he was one of those. He also never showed up to class. He just stayed in his dorm room reading anything he could get his hands on,
Starting point is 00:22:32 but he was still passing all of his classes. And he just got bored with school again. And he decided to switch majors because you know quantum physics, it's so boring. It's so limiting. It's too easy. I understand all of it. And, while I was researching this podcast, I know everything about quantum physics already. So it gets into linguistics and writing courses. And now, nothing says scholarly, like being an author.
Starting point is 00:22:56 So that's the road that he's trying to go down now. He even gets super close to a professor named Morse Peckham, and he was so impressed with Ira, that he even gave him a key to his actual house. Which why? Why did you do that? Some people speculate that the two had a more intense relationship, but the friends of the professor said he's clearly a sexual, and he's just impressed by Ira. He is brilliant. Ira was seen as an intellectual equal to the professor. Sometimes the two of them would sit in silence listening to the entire 15 hours of Wagner's Ring cycle. Do you not know what that is?
Starting point is 00:23:33 It's a cycle of four epic music dramas that typically takes four nights at the opera to finish. The sheer length is intense, but it is magnificent. That's crazy. I would die. They would go to the libraries together, consuming everything they could get their hands on philosophy, medicine, psychology. If they were feeling particularly inspired, the two of them could sit there in silence and read for 20 hours straight of academic texts. Don't think 50 Shades of Grey think reading material
Starting point is 00:24:05 that doctors would read. I don't even know what that is. Just academic textbook for 20 hours. Ira would complain to him and his parents that he was smarter than most of his professors and he knew more about what they were teaching and it was just so frustrating. So after graduating on a full scholarship at UPEN, Ira does enter into a period of being lost. He's trying to find himself. He's got no direction. He moved into his own apartment called the Piles, which was like this super-old building, but he loved it. He had a few cushions to sit on, a mattress to sleep on, and everything else in the entire place was filled with books. If he didn't have enough money to buy books or payment, he would sell weed on the side.
Starting point is 00:24:44 Now, his friend said that it wasn't a drug empire he was interested in. He just wanted time to study and read books, and this is the easiest way to keep the lights on and buy more books. Now, after being lost, Ira decides to give grad school a try. He wants to focus on language, folklore, he took a heavy course load in linguistics, in linguistics, listen, I want to say linguy. He took several courses in Old Norse, Middle-Hide German, a tutorial in Sanskrit. His language classes alone required about 200 pages of Dents reading every single week. Like that's a lot.
Starting point is 00:25:18 Think, again, keyword Dents. I think grad school only made a more annoying. Which can you imagine? He just turned into this guy that loved to annoy the shit out of you over breakfast. Every single morning he would bring up philosophy over his black coffee because avocado toast is for simple tins. And you're just sitting there like, bro, I just asked you how your coffee was and I was wondering if you had more coffee filters. I didn't ask for your rambles of society and how humans are the downfall to everything.
Starting point is 00:25:44 Like, I don't need to do this right now You're like how bad could his rambles be Stephanie like that so rude just listen to him about his passions Let me read you a journal excerpt. He wrote oh the sheer joy of the mind on the wing as it roams throughout all of the knowledge I'm up in the air on that pure world of intellectual speculation where one calmly surveys the entire realm of human knowledge and it slowly fits together. All seems possible. Nothing is too difficult. When I occupy this rare field, this atmosphere, I exalt in the expectation of my future dreams as I encompass all I thought. I don't even know what a single thing he just said.
Starting point is 00:26:28 I'm, am I dumb? Yeah. Like, look at this and think, what a visionary, a dreamer of sorts, but I don't know. He's given very much 23-year-old guy that likes to smoke and pot and talk about society. Like that's what he's given me, with a little bit of, you know, intellect involved. He often had marijuana-induced epiphanies. The guy didn't even, you know, need pot sometimes. Sometimes he would just get high off of his own genius philosophies.
Starting point is 00:26:57 He said, I have been wandering of late-along paths that have never felt my footprints before. A quiet, waiting, pervaded over my entire being. I'm going through a radical change, to and from what I know not, but who does. He also had an epiphany that getting a doctor it was not his dream. He just didn't like the system, that's what he said. So he starts acting out, challenging his professors more aggressively, even his relationship with
Starting point is 00:27:23 his mentors now going south. The mentor later said, I realize Dara was primarily interested, not in the validity of ideas, but in their excitement. I think you will find that he simply was swept along in what was the advanced fashion of the moment. He just liked to go with the intellectual trends. He didn't actually care if an idea was valid. He just liked the idea and the excitement of a new thing. Maybe you just like the excitement of a new car, but you have really no care if that car is the best car
Starting point is 00:27:52 in the world or the fastest car in the world or the safest car in the world. You just like having new cars all the time. Yeah, you're not really a car person. Yeah. You're like seeking the hype. And like having a collection to show people, like look at everything I know,
Starting point is 00:28:06 look at all the cars I have. So now that I've really burned all of his bridges, he starts going from smoking weed to doing acid. Here's what he had to say about acid. I landed the stars and I watched a procession of unbelievable visions for hours. I feel at almost every moment like the last movement of Moller's ninth, which by the way is the last symphony of Gustav Moller composed and considered
Starting point is 00:28:33 one of his greatest, okay. I mean the whole thing is just so pretentious. How can you turn such a thing as just plain old drug use into this? Yeah, sounds like he's on acid. Yeah, it does. So after this, I read his hire to teach English at Temple University and he became a professor for a very, very short year. He was, um, he was something else. He would walk in how to get away with murder style and he would start writing on the blackboard. On one side, he had the big bold letters, sexuality. And on the other side, he wrote a rottacism.
Starting point is 00:29:06 He would throw the chalk down, turn around, can someone tell me the difference? Wow, so good. So good. He was obsessed with teaching English and literature, sure. But he loved teaching sex and philosophy. He even talked to his students about drugs. He said I Dressed like the students if they asked me about marijuana and LSD
Starting point is 00:29:30 I give them straight answers about the delights and the dangers. I make no bones about my content for the academic world I'm very popular with the kids. I wouldn't say that I was with the administration He was right the administrators hated him. After a year, they never called him back to teach. I mean, he was a lot. He wouldn't give lab courses on sex in his own bedroom. Listen, I tried to look more into that part, and can you imagine my Google search history? But I couldn't find anything.
Starting point is 00:29:58 I don't know if he was teaching about sex in his room. I thought you were on the wrong website. I'm like, Professor teaches sex in his room. I thought you're on the wrong web. I'm like professor teaches sex in his own bedroom. That's my cookbook. I spent hours and I watched so many videos and none of them. I think work should I think. I think my research was a little flawed. Why would you break into these apartments for money, for drugs, whatever was in there. Aren't you afraid of getting caught at doing this? No.
Starting point is 00:30:31 Who's going to catch us? What a police. It was the height of the crack era, and instead of locking up drug dealers, some New York City cops had become them. I would suit up in my uniform and we're going to want some drug dealers and I know how to do it really well. This is the inside story of the biggest police corruption scandal in NYPD history and the investigation that uncovered it all.
Starting point is 00:31:00 Did you consider yourself a rat? 100% I saved my soul just like everybody else does. Listen to and follow the set, an Odyssey Originals documentary podcast series available now in the Odyssey app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your shows. I'm not a big guy, man, but I love being a dirty mother f***er.
Starting point is 00:31:21 So you would teach sex in his room, which is really odd. Or I don't know if there was role room, which is really odd. Or I don't know if there was role play. I don't know. Despite being a seemingly woke ahead of his time, quirky dude, he was still, like I said, a raging sexist. Let's say you were his female friend and you wanted to publish a book.
Starting point is 00:31:37 You tell you go for it. That's amazing. Oh my God. You say, okay, well, I want to open up a, all women's, you know, doctors practice where we only take women patients. He's like, oh my god, go for it! But if you ever took on a role where you were in charge of or lead
Starting point is 00:31:54 or even told a man what to do, he would say, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa! That's a job for a man. You can't be going around telling men what to do. You can't be going around having men work to do. You can't be going around having men work under you. That's you just won't be able to handle it. Like you don't know how to handle a man. So woman and power were only acceptable if they were not in power of men to him. And he was just so rude. He would go over to his friend's houses and completely disrespect their wives. I mean one time he went to his buddy's Ralph's house and his wife was there. He didn't even say hi to Ralph's wife. Just completely acted like she didn't live there and his wife being a nice person
Starting point is 00:32:30 went out of her way. Really didn't need to do this and said, hey guys, you guys want something to drink? We have water, coffee and I re-looked at her and said, tea, but make it steeped. I prefer steep tea, not bag T. It was an order, not a request. Oh my god, thank you. It was as if she was a servant, she was working in the house. I wouldn't even talk to a server like that. He was just a shitty guy. So of course, when he starts looking for relationships, he's just a very domineering person. He likes to be the teacher. The older, more mature person in the group, he was a master manipulator. Anytime one of his girlfriends realized that he was horrible or that he was potentially
Starting point is 00:33:08 abusive, he would win them back with these sweet letters, his heartfelt apologies, his intellectual words and his vocabulary, and he would charm his way back into their lives. For what? Just to terrorize them again. That's what. One of his ex-girlfriends redeemed her members, one time she broke up with him. And she looked into his eye and it was something dark. It's like, she said it's like, you know, those supernatural movies on TV, where the eyes change and they become a werewolf.
Starting point is 00:33:35 It was just like that. Truly, he walked over to the door and he locked it and I just knew when that happened, I was in a room with a madman. He started walking towards me. He took his time. He didn't even look rushed. He was so much bigger than me, so like, what am I gonna do? He grabbed his hands around my neck and started to choke me, and I passed out. Thankfully, Rita survived, and he later wrote about this incident. This is what I recited.
Starting point is 00:34:01 To kill what you love when you can't have it seems so natural. Strangling read a last night seemed so right. I loved watching the color of her face change, but something happened in the last moment. Insanity, thank goodness, is only temporary, and when the nightmare lifts, one must face the truth. He really thinks he's like a super villain. Yeah, and it's like, no, you're just a homicidal person. You're terrifying, you're an abuser, that's what you are.
Starting point is 00:34:28 Why are you making it? So what's going on with you? So Rita did not press charges. And Ira was upset that nobody was around to do his chores. I mean, those darn females. So after he lost his teaching position, he starts roaming around doing nothing. He would read, write, have sex, and that
Starting point is 00:34:45 was about it. He tried to write a novel, but no publisher wanted it. No matter how much I ever told them it was borderline genius, they thought it was completely incomprehensible. None of it made sense. So he gets into a ton of relationships after this in a really short amount of time and you're like, why? How? Because when he would get a girlfriend, either he blatantly cheated on her, or he would manipulate the younger girl into thinking that an open relationship is what she wanted. And he would just go and have a ton of girlfriends on the side.
Starting point is 00:35:14 Whenever the girls had enough and they tried to leave, he would get angry. He wrote about a particular time, one of his girlfriend's Judy. She was 18, by the way, and this guy was seven years older than her. Now this is legal but knowing this guy and how he exclusively only likes young girls it's creepy. Anyway she tried to leave him and he wrote, the violence that flowed through my being tonight still awaits that further dark confirmation of its existence which could only result in the murder of which I seem to love so
Starting point is 00:35:42 deeply. The repressed is returning to a form that is almost impossible to control. There is a good chance that I will attempt to kill Judy tomorrow. The rational awareness of this fact brings stark terror into my heart. So it's like the show you. Yeah, but he's trying to make it seem normal and romantic and as if it's philosophical and this is the nature of humans and the nature of men, no. Now, I recontinues to harass Judy after that and fantasizing about her murder. Violence just creeps over my body as I reach toward the destruction of Judy, a hopeless victim in this infernal entanglement,
Starting point is 00:36:19 which seems to be draining the life's blood of both of us. He ended that one with, we must come together, or die. The fantasies reached a tipping point. When Judy came over, after I was in Sessant Begging, by the way, to talk to him, and she came over for some coffee. She's like, okay, let me give this guy some closure. Like, it's not happening. We're not gonna date, but he immediately thought,
Starting point is 00:36:44 oh, she wants to date me again, duh. So when Judy's like, okay, well I'm leaving, what? What do you mean you're leaving? He freaked out, he's pissed, and when Judy turns her back, he reaches over for a coke bottle, breaks it over her head, the glass ones. She starts bleeding everywhere, he wrestles her to the ground, held her down by her neck, and she felt her head hit against the table as she felt. I was strangling her. She felt herself go limp, and we know what happened next because of Iris Journal. He said, in such violence, there may be freedom.
Starting point is 00:37:19 Where am I now after having hit Judy over the head with a coke bottle? Blood on my jacket and pants, then making some feeble attempts to choke her, she wanted to live. That has been established. I'll be able, if she doesn't have me arrested, to go back to living a normal life. Violence always marks the end of a relationship. It's the final barrier over or through which no communication is possible. Judy survived and she did not press charges.
Starting point is 00:37:46 Ira moves to California to find himself. And this is the summer of 1966, so this is kind of important. The hippie movement was raging in California, and Ira had some connections there. So he started staying with random people for free, and he loved it. He would walk through someone's front door and just completely strip naked.
Starting point is 00:38:03 He liked to let it all hang out. Wiggle around, people were shocked. He also fell heavily into LSD usage during this time, he and his friends would go to the beach. Everyone would strip completely stark naked, get high off LSD, high his balls, and stare into each other's eyes while spacing out. Drugs are really wild. It was during one of these wild moments, a friend of Iris said,
Starting point is 00:38:28 Wait, what's your last name again? Oh, I'm Horn. Oh my god, like one horn, right? Oh, oh my god, it can be unicorn. I loved it. Oh yeah, he loved it. That what he started calling himself the unicorn after that. He loved the idea.
Starting point is 00:38:43 The parallel between himself and this mythical creature, a unicorn represents purity, uniqueness, gentleness, sexual power. It was a rare being that ran free. That was Ira. He starts using this name to talk at public forums. He made his way back to Philadelphia, and he starts going through all these different events
Starting point is 00:39:01 that circled around Karl Marx, socialism, civil rights. And since it was a free movement, Marx, socialism, civil rights, and since it was a free movement, really, you had the opportunity, anyone had the opportunity to go up and make a speech and talk to a crowd of people. People loved what the unicorn had to say. He was intellectual, he was good with his words, it also helped that he had a ponytail and a beard, so we just kind of had this like authoritative look about him, like this gentle look almost, like this gentle look almost like this gentle
Starting point is 00:39:26 Philosophical being that's just kind of above material things. That's kind of above Normal human wants and needs Imagine literally the professor from money highs like that type of vibe, but with a ponytail That's kind of the vibe people were getting and I can't even blame them because they don't know the horrible side of Ira They just know what he's presenting. So there's this free university at UPEN and they call it free you It was UPEN's experiment on alternative education Now Ira was so in oh here's what happens right at free you the teachers are picked by the students So you go up and essentially have an audition to be a teacher and everybody votes who's gonna be the teacher.
Starting point is 00:40:06 That's crazy. Really? Amazing. And I wrote, was so inspired by this, he started teaching courses on psychedelics at free you. He helped the classes and his apartment and it was all about the revolution of the body and the revolution of the mind.
Starting point is 00:40:19 It's just about drugs, but I'm just, I don't know. Am I just so dumb that I don't get? I'm like, you mean drugs? I mean, at one of these home sessions, one of his female students said, he wanted to turn the class into a party and outcome the joints. Everybody's smoking it up.
Starting point is 00:40:38 Suddenly, he's encouraging all of us to get naked and shed all of our inhibitions. And this guy starts taking off his clothes. He starts dancing. Well, I don't know about dancing, but he's like wiggling around. I freaked out, at the side of my teacher's chubby naked body wiggling around near me. So when he came to bear hug me, I rang out the door. He later came up to me, and the whole class actually, and he excused himself.
Starting point is 00:41:01 He said, what's part of the teaching? I wanted to show everybody that it's okay to be uncomfortable and it's okay to freak out because not everybody is ready for my progressive teaching yet. All of these little stories actually attracted a ton of media attention for the unicorn. People wanted to get to know him, ask his opinion on the movements that were going around. I mean, he even held a human be in, which is a group of people that gather and just do stuff. So he gathered about 2,000 people at a local park. They painted each other's bodies, they exchanged daffodils, they wore floppy hats, and a small group of people burned a few dollar bills while screaming down with the capitalist.
Starting point is 00:41:40 This isn't Philadelphia. It's said that the LA and New York City ones were a little bit more wild. So who knows what they did. Iris mom even showed up to hand out cookies. I mean, Bee was upset that her son didn't become the scholar that she had expected and hoped for. But overall, she was supportive. She was supportive in Iris' career or any idea that he had. She genuinely believed that he was someone.
Starting point is 00:42:01 That's all that matter to her. In this movement, he was the unicorn. He had respect, he had admiration, he had love, he had devotion. That's all she really cared about. She just did not want her son to be mediocre. That's it. She would even go to lectures that he gave. Now Joe, Iris Dad on the other hand, was not a fan. Joe was very religious, like I said. He raised his family Jewish, and now Ira was against anything that had an emphasis on God.
Starting point is 00:42:27 But there was no stopping this guy. It seemed like his popularity was only growing. He would speak at events which soon became his only source of income, like his main source of income he was making good money. He had long hair, a beard, people wrote about Ira as either the hippie philosopher, the intellectual, the writer, lecture, professor, local guru, and sometimes just pot smoker. Local pot smoker says, I love it. He was quoted saying these things, America is dead for me.
Starting point is 00:42:57 It does not exist. I ask my fellow hippies, we're going to break the back of law enforcement by flooding the jails with arrest for drug use. Did you know there's even tons of teenagers who are undercover agents in their parents' homes conducting guerrilla warfare? He would say, now remember everyone, it only takes 3% of the population to start a revolution. I am an Earthling living at the edge of evolution, at the edge of the Mind here on planet earth right before the Great War of Transformation. Listen, you just need to add a little tone and suddenly it's a speech. But like what did you just say?
Starting point is 00:43:33 You said nothing, no? He says what this country needs is two months of silence. Silence. Silence. So then I went on to hold a huge event called Summer of Love and he tried speed for the first time. Categorized as an emphetamine, so it's unlike weed and nalesty, which usually make the user a bit more chill.
Starting point is 00:43:57 I mean, yeah, you're going to hallucinate, but you're going to be a bit more chill. You're going to be a bit more relaxed. Speed is the opposite. It's going to increase your heart rate, blood pressure. You're going be a bit more relaxed. Speed is the opposite. It's gonna increase your heart rate, blood pressure, you're gonna increase focus. It's gonna make you even feel like you have superhuman levels of energy. I raided it.
Starting point is 00:44:11 He believed it was destruction. He said it's a ticket to a night of dark paranoia. He actually advised people to immigrate to Canada before this drug took over the US. I've got a job riding for a local hippie newspaper, and he got fired because he refused to actually write anything that made sense. When they tried to edit his work because sometimes he would just turn in random rambles and they were all in uppercase, he would throw a
Starting point is 00:44:34 fit. He wanted the article to be posted exactly as is. He thought that he was just on another level of genius. Okay, no offense, it's given me Elon Musk's kid's name. Do you know what you don't really understand what's going on? It's like so bizarre. That's the vibe a little bit, okay? Anyway, with that in his students, he had a platform of sorts.
Starting point is 00:44:55 And with this, he was just promoting the crap out of drug use. Saying it was amazing. I mean, play stupid games, win stupid prizes. Ira ends up on the authorities' drug radar. He's on the narc team's watch list, okay? Even Ira himself wasn't doing much drugs anymore. He was more into dieting.
Starting point is 00:45:12 He was obsessed with balanced diets. He was heading into the Eastern practices. He said, oh, you know over there, the Zen Buddhist? They just eat a normal balanced diet with less animal products, and they reach a different level of spirituality that way. So he started making these super intense muffins. They just tasted like sand. And it was when Ira was munching on a sand muffin that his house was rated by authorities.
Starting point is 00:45:34 Now I guess luckily for Ira, he had already hidden all of his drugs. And he starts amusing the officers instead. And he starts bragging about how many pushups he can do. And I guess the officer saw this comical, because he was not arrested. Another time the narcotics division came with a search warrant to his house, and he just opened up the door completely but naked. They said, everything was hanging out, it's just wiggling around. He was in the middle of having sex.
Starting point is 00:45:57 The police ransacked the entire place and they found jars full of pills. They tried to instigate Ira, get him to do something stupid, They called his girlfriend a whore and called him a scumbag. And Ira calmly looked at them and said, look guys, I'm a black belt in karate. Now I can be very violent. I can do a lot of damage to you, but I don't want to do that. I don't want to do any damage. The cops backed off and went to the jars of pills. Most of them ended up being prescription medication But they found two pills not two bottles, but one two and they were not prescribed to Ira So they arrested him mainly because they hated him But ultimately he gets out on bail and the charges are dismissed. I mean this guy sucks overall
Starting point is 00:46:38 That's just what I'm getting at. So why do people even like him? He did do some good ones in a while in the basement of of his apartment building, he had a young doctor friend who opened up what was called Palton Troubles Center. It wasn't much, it was just a space for residents to come to see a doctor, eat something, and Dr. Holland, his business partner or his charity partner, whatever, would help drug addicts come down from dangerous highs. And even though it's just the basement of his apartment building, and even though it's just a mattress on the floor, I'm sure it changed a few lives. I also helped popularize Earth Day in his area as what it's known today back then Earth
Starting point is 00:47:13 Day wasn't that big. Now it's a huge thing and all these companies are like, Earth Day! Make all the ads green! Yeah, he loved it. He would try and meet up with local businessmen and entrepreneurs and try to talk to them about the environment but in a non-confrontational way. He did it peacefully. He even kissed a senator on the lips in front of big crowds to show, hey, there's no bad
Starting point is 00:47:32 blood. We don't like his laws. We don't like what he's doing but there's no bad blood. Some of his peers were confused. Hey, um, why are you befriending all these rich guys that own companies that pollute our earth and make money off of that? What's going on? And he said I realized when I started networking I was involved in a long-range process I wanted to understand what what it was about these people these personality types because these are the people that run America
Starting point is 00:47:59 Let's be real. There's no data about it. Now my concern was that are human beings, and I want to know how I can reach these people. How can I humanize them in some way? I mean, the CEO of AT&T has a million workers underneath him. And if he's a little bit more human, a million lives live better, simple as that. So I'm trying to make them human. That's all. There's really one people over. People started demanding he'd run for Mayor of Philadelphia.
Starting point is 00:48:26 And he did run as a PR stunt. He would have won. He literally was getting, he was the favorite candidate. He was getting the most votes. He was ranking in the polls. But he said, not that I wouldn't make a groovy mayor. I just don't think the mayor's job is a very important job right now.
Starting point is 00:48:44 It's kind of like an old fading symbol. So Ira didn't want to be a mayor. I just don't think the mayor's job is a very important job right now. It's kind of like an old fading symbol, so Ira didn't want to be a mayor, but he was super political. He would always say, anyone who's in a government position right now should know that their days are numbered. Most people are waking up not knowing if they're going to wake up tomorrow in the same bed. It's as true in the U.S. as it is anywhere else. I'd just like to see Nixon smoke a little pot and listen to kids talk. And he would say, but I can't do the politics thing. I can't run it. I'm too busy doing all my other groups. I
Starting point is 00:49:14 said that he was part of the Synodary Group, which was a group that was focused on helping runaways and young people get off the streets. But you would never actually see Ira doing that. He was part of the group spiritually. Never physically. The joke is that Ira would never be part of the performance, but he would gladly come up on to stage and accept the applause. Other than that, he also wrote a book called 78-187880. You know, the title is just numbers. What does that mean? I don't know. He said he didn't want to give a book a title so that it would suggest a topic. You would have to read the book to form any kind of opinion on it.
Starting point is 00:49:50 Oh my god. It was supposed to be a deep dive into his philosophy and his theory of global transformation. If you could read it, that is. I mean, most of it was illegible. It sounded like gibberish. It was nearly impossible to even make sense of it. Or maybe us mere mortals can never hope to understand something so profound. It was not even close to becoming a New York Times bestseller.
Starting point is 00:50:11 Out of the 10,000 copies printed, only 2,000 were sold. And Ira was saddened by the fact that America was too dumb to realize that his book was the best. He went to a local restaurant to eat his sorrows away when he ran into a woman named Holly. And Holly was beautiful. He had to walk over. He had to sit there and say, when's your birthday? I want to look at your astrological chart. I wonder if the chart told him that one of them was gonna end up dead. Here's the thing about Holly Maddox. She wasn't supposed to meet someone like Ira. She was the opposite of a guy like him,
Starting point is 00:50:50 and it really goes back to how she was raised. Holly Maddox was raised in Texas, where everything is bigger, except for the small towns. Like she grew up in a super small town. About 50,000 people and 49,000 of them were raging racists. They refused black athletes in their papers about 50,000 people and 49,000 of them were raging racists. They refused black athletes in their papers because they were just, they were quote,
Starting point is 00:51:11 just and words, but they wanted them to play for their teams. Holly Maddox and her family did well for themselves, mainly because they were white. And Fred Holly's dad, he was this hardworking engineer, Liz, Holly's mom came from this super wealthy family. So Holly grew up with quite a bit of privilege. this hardworking engineer Liz Holly's mom came from this super wealthy family so Holly grew up with quite a bit of privilege. She also happened to be incredibly beautiful, blonde, everyone called her doodle bug because
Starting point is 00:51:32 she was just so pretty and so sweet. From a young age, I mean it was clear Holly was different, she was special, she was gifted, she got good grades, she fell in love with dancing, She earned a lot of honors. She seemed eager to learn. She didn't like to play around like the rest of her classmates. But she was a really reserved girl. I mean, the only time that Holly really showed her personality was in school when she would write papers or stories. She wrote intense ones. A little bit mature for her age. Like, she was definitely a bit eccentric. Bicular? Weird? I don't know what the word would be. She wrote a 12 page paper on the origins of witchcraft and the study of bram stokers to monic writings, which nothing's wrong with that, but everybody else was writing about
Starting point is 00:52:12 their family vacation to Florida. So it's just, you know, the juxtaposition. It's like, what? What's going on? And here she is. One of the oddest stories she wrote was called model mother. And it begins with, mommy and daddy never could get along. Mommy would nag him suspiciously if he got home the least bit late from the lab.
Starting point is 00:52:30 His opening words would then be, at least I came home, did I not? And mother would mutter, we wish you hadn't. Which wasn't true, at least not on our part. Speaking of us, sometimes I wonder, in fact, I often wonder why the rest of the family, like us kids, never grew up as warped personalities. Or did we? The story ends with the mom disappearing and then a new transformed mom comes home
Starting point is 00:52:55 who doesn't nag, who doesn't yell at her husband, and apparently is a product of the dad's lab experiments to create a more submissive wife. She's good. She's good. I mean, listen, I like it. It's really good. Do I want to watch a more submissive wife. She's good. She's good. I mean, listen, I like it. It's really good. Do I want to watch a movie on it?
Starting point is 00:53:09 Yes. It's very creative for someone so young. I would be very impressed, but it seemed like the teachers were more freaked out than anything. They're like, that's a little weird. What's going on here? Okay. Now, Holly was an interesting character. I will tell you that. I think it just,
Starting point is 00:53:26 that's what made her different and lovable. One time she got on a boat with her family and they had gotten into this huge fight and she decides, you know what? I'm not having this conversation anymore. She jumps into the water, starts swimming back to shore. The shore was seven miles away. I mean, of course, her parents dragged her back onto the boat, but the fact that she had the willpower and pride to swim back to sure, to even come to the conclusion of, you know what I'm not doing this anymore, I'm gonna swim with the sharks. Rather than stay on the boat with your family, it's definitely a strong personality. It's a strong character. And in high school, Holly only got more unique. She excelled academically and athletically.
Starting point is 00:54:05 She was smart, beautiful. She had this southern accent. Her friend said, Holly was a bit of a social misfit. She dressed different. She carried herself different. She spoke different. She also didn't wear makeup and she almost had this European era about her in this little southern community.
Starting point is 00:54:22 But she was still popular. Not in the traditional sense, but she was well liked. By her senior year, she won National Council of Teachers of English Award. A brown belt in judo, she was a merit scholar, a talented solo dancer, she was one of three ideal girls selected on their, quote, ideal personalities. She was a member of the National Honor Society, she was nominated for basketball queen, and she even made the cheerleading squad. Everyone on the high school football team had a crush on her. But they never tried to ask her out. She was just too proper, they said.
Starting point is 00:54:53 She was always neat, clean, hair combed, put together. You would never hear about her that she was at a party without a call. She was, she was just a goody too shoes. She was kind of shy, but also a free spirit, a free thinker. She was meticulous and smart, and she had this strong sense of justice. She also had a very interesting standard for dating. She would not accept anyone to be her friend unless they opened the door for her. Or at least guys.
Starting point is 00:55:18 So coupled this with the fact that she was very smart and very pretty, guys never really asked her out because she was intimidating. I mean, they said, she's beautiful and intelligent. That's what makes her intimidating. But her shyness and her insecurity made her appear kind of cold, closed off, like she was distant and quiet. She almost had this moon child quality, a wave quality, which I had to look up. By definition, wave means a person who is very thin and looks unhealthy and uncared
Starting point is 00:55:44 for. But almost in the, I want to help this person sense. That's the vibe that I'm getting reading these definitions. It's kind of a petite person who also, to a degree, seems to be a damsel in distress. Kind of like a fairy, has some childlike qualities about them. Her dancing coach remembers her to be a very private person. She never really socialized She would just always be in the corner with her head down thinking dwelling on something
Starting point is 00:56:10 She was just given to a kind of Introversion and because she didn't really explore her dating options Holly was a bit naive when it came to dating one time a guy did hit on her Oh, yeah, he tried to pull a fast one. He said Holly. You'll never guess what happened I'm dying of cancer. Yep. I got a few weeks to live and my make-a-wish is that I lose my virginity to you No, don't tell me and Holly ran home crying sobbing and her parents said what's wrong Holly? Well, I have to lose my virginity to Sam. I don't even like Sam.
Starting point is 00:56:46 What? Why do you have to lose your virginity? You don't have to do any of that. What happened? He's dying. He has cancer. This is his last wish. And her parents laughed out loud.
Starting point is 00:56:59 They thought it was, I mean, I'm sure they called Sam's parents, but they laughed out loud. They thought it was hilarious. They were shocked that Holly almost fell for it. I mean, you're so smart. You get good grades. What's going on? You didn't know that this was...
Starting point is 00:57:10 You really thought that this was true? So Holly starts dating another guy, her senior year. And he said this about her. You could look at Holly and tell that she was a queen. Oh, there was no doubt about it. The way that she carried herself, the way that she acted, but, you know, she wasn't stuck up. She was an arrogant, she really wasn't. She was quiet, introspective, studious, a lot more studious than kids are age. I think it was a lot of the defensive. I think it was hard on her.
Starting point is 00:57:36 She always needed to look perfect, to act perfect, never do anything wrong, get straight A's, win everything she entered, do everything well, never never lose her cool never become emotionally involved in anything. I think all of that had a hell of an effect on her. She just seemed like she got this big fear of being hurt physically emotionally everything. I mean it was a lot. By the end of high school, Holly was voted most likely to succeed. And on paper she actually did better than Ira Einhorn. You should do better. Book wise, like on paper wise, grade wise. But there was one crucial difference. Ira studied to feed his curiosity and his ego. Holly studied because she didn't want to let anyone down.
Starting point is 00:58:16 It was what was expected of her. She felt the never ending pressure to be perfect all the time. She was put in this box and expected to mold herself in there and all she had was this box. Until college. The box is gone. Now she had more freedom. She wanted to get the hell away from Texas. She wanted to be free, figure herself out. So she gets into Brynemark College, which was a very serious place with a ton of pretentious but very smart students. And away from the watchful eye from her parents, she decides she's no longer religious and she starts dating a lot more. And she had a type.
Starting point is 00:58:50 She liked skeptical guys. Guys that were almost borderline inappropriate, the ones that would blur it out in a group of religious people, if God is real, then why? Blah, blah, blah. She's really had a moment there. there. Yeah and it's you know which is fine. I love when people ask questions but if you if we went to a church
Starting point is 00:59:11 because I don't know someone's having a wedding there and you said if God is real then what I would die I'd be mortified. Wow so I mean I don't know. Holly just really gravitated towards guys like that. She started changing too. She started accepting sex before marriage, drugs, rock music, politics. She said that college was the first time she ever even thought about civil rights. She realized the oppressive segregation and racism that was still raging at her hometown, and she was mortified. Some people think that it was like Holly's world turned upside down in college. She had a culture shock, which made her retreat even more. She started spending more time in her room.
Starting point is 00:59:50 Her friend said that she started exclusively only dressing in black. She was afraid to go out to eat. She only ate in her room. She was developing potentially a... just a... just a disordered relationship with food. Holly's boyfriend at the time, Richard, said that Holly just seemed super eager to lose her virginity.
Starting point is 01:00:09 It was almost like a fixation, like she needed to do this to get rid of her old self. And when she finally did lose her virginity, she was not fixated anymore. While back home in Texas one day, Holly leaves Richard and starts dating a new guy. And he was a horrible person. He physically abused her. And her friend said that Holly would be seen with bruises everywhere, but she
Starting point is 01:00:28 was incredibly softhearted. She said in a quote, he could hurt her and then cry about it, and she probably would try to embrace him and comfort him. Like that kind of thing. So thankfully, the relationship ends. She goes back to school, and that's when she falls pregnant. She's not ready to have a child. She went through her first abortion in the 60s, which I mean even now it's not an easy process to get an abortion and it was even harder than the social shame, the stigma, the fact that her parents were religious, she really was alone in this entire emotional process with no support system or anything.
Starting point is 01:01:02 She spent most of her time reading. Science fiction, fantasy, she loved it, she read a lot. Then she got in another relationship with a guy named Alan and she just hated being tied down. That was a thing, like she would just suddenly drop him and have a short-lived passionate affair out of nowhere. Holly's friends even said she was really casual about her sex life. It's almost like it was a status symbol for her. I mean, I don't know. If she was trying to shock us or if she was telling me these things to validate it for herself, or I don't even know why she was telling me these things.
Starting point is 01:01:33 She also seemed to be fascinated with a Jewish man. I don't think it was conscious. I don't think like she sought out Jewish men. I don't think she had like a fetish per se, but maybe it had to do with the fact that her parents were deeply Christian. They were incredibly religious. This was like her act of rebellion almost. After leaving college without graduating, Holly headed to Israel, potentially because
Starting point is 01:01:54 of her, I don't know if I can say love, her attraction, her, I don't know, for Jewish men. So in Israel, she's 24 and she finds this 17-year-old and she starts dating her, which like, age gap is not okay. They move in together, they start doing their thing, and she just was a really sexual person. That's what everybody says. She would cheat on a lot of her boyfriends because she was, she just had this very open attitude towards sex. Anyways, she goes back to Philadelphia, and within a few months, she changed her life by walking into a restaurant for lunch. When a bearded man with a ponytail asks her for her birthday, he wanted to know her
Starting point is 01:02:29 astrological chart. That man was Ira Einhorn, the unicorn. And their relationship went 0-60 faster than a race car. It was a lot. They moved in together within 10 days of knowing each other, and it all started with a bang. Holly was very insecure at the time. She wanted attention and validation from her partners. Meanwhile, Ira was perfect for this role.
Starting point is 01:02:50 I mean, only superficially, of course. He loved to lay it down thick when he wanted to impress a new girlfriend. When he wanted to woo someone. The first few times that they had sex, it lasted hours. With this mutual desire to please. Ira felt like Holly was different, he even dropped a few girlfriends, just to spend more time with her. Not all of his girlfriends, of course, but a few. He never really believed in monogamy. If he did, he might have wanted
Starting point is 01:03:16 to be in a relationship with Holly. She was just his type. She was thin, blonde, open-minded, and she was quiet shy. That meant that Ira could talk on and on about his self-proclaimed genius philosophies, and she wouldn't interrupt him. She wouldn't even feel the need to tell him how she was feeling or how he was wrong or how she disagreed. It would just be him and his voice, echoing in the room. There was a ton of sexual chemistry,
Starting point is 01:03:40 which can be summed up by Ira's poem. He wrote a poem titled, Holly Maddox, and the entire poem was a single line. It said, her asshole has been occupied by the penis of a Chinese lion. I'm sorry. Your eyes just get wet. Yeah. Really?
Starting point is 01:03:58 Her asshole has been occupied by the penis of a Chinese lion, and they say romance is dead. I think Holly probably felt attention and the problems first. The fact that Ira was eight years older and the fact that he had the same domineering personality as her dad, she felt patronized, she felt trapped again and she was kind of fighting with herself. Holly was torn. On one hand, she just wasn't someone to bow her head and take whatever someone threw at her. On the other hand, she was still insecure and she lacked the confidence to know her worth. So Holly would tell her friends, I'm just flattered a guy like him like me.
Starting point is 01:04:31 I mean, the unicorn is interested in the little me. She felt honored to be dating the unicorn, which is never a good way to start a relationship. And so as our relationship progresses, Ira continues to be the larger than life unicorn and Hawley. I mean, she would never want to admit this, but she kind of settled into a shadow. She was the supporting role. Hawley's friend said, yeah, there's no doubt about knowing her. I mean, even the beginning of that relationship, he was dominating her in an unhealthy way.
Starting point is 01:05:01 And she was, she was depending on him in an unhealthy way. She was like a planet revolving around Ira. Holly even agreed to an open relationship. Ira quickly lost his resolve to be somewhat monogamous with Holly and so he's out there just seeing as many women as he can on the side and Holly was free to do the same technically but she didn't because Ira would conveniently have these nightmares. You'd wake up, oh the Holly, oh my god Are you here? Oh, I had this dream where you were kidnapped by this strange guy who's picking you up You were gonna go have sex with him
Starting point is 01:05:30 But then he killed you dismembered you and put you in like 25 different FedEx boxes That's crazy. You know what they see about dreams. It's gonna happen So I suggest you stay away from all men from now on except for me and I will protect you from them I'm gonna keep you safe Maybe their relationship could have been better if she could have seen other people too because Holly never orgasmed with Ira. I mean, I would be tense too, okay?
Starting point is 01:05:53 She tried to talk to him about it and he told her it's a her problem. He actually made her feel bad that he couldn't find the clitoris. And after these conversations, Ira would withhold emotional support. Even though he knew that Holly was an emotional person, he withheld it just to hurt her. On purpose.
Starting point is 01:06:10 Now, Ira would drag her to these group's seances. And he was obsessed with the paranormal. One by one, the group described what they were visualizing, who they were talking to. When it was Holly's turn, her voice at first was weak. But it started getting stronger and stronger and she was actively participating. Her voice was gaining confidence and others were curious like, oh, what is she saying? I noticed this and he really interrupted her and began mocking her. Nnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn In your head, Holly, it's not real you idiot, in front of everyone. And Holly was devastated. She felt dumb.
Starting point is 01:06:47 She felt embarrassed. She felt like an idiot. But the truth is, Ira just could not handle not being the center of attention for like two whole seconds. I mean, imagine how toxic this type of relationship is. The two would break up and when Holly finally started finding her own ground, she would start dating around again. Ira would spend every waking minute, every last shred of energy to try and win her back.
Starting point is 01:07:08 That was his one and only focus. And just to give you a clear picture of the relationship, I mean, I feel like this event explains it so well. When Holly introduced Ira to her parents, I mean, I mean, I already without even meeting Ira, her parents were upset. Their once conservative, prim and proper daughter is now dating a hippie. No, not just a hippie, but the hippie of the hippies, the fucking unicorn. But they're like, okay, well we gotta give him a chance, right?
Starting point is 01:07:32 And it's almost as if Ira walks in that front door to make sure that her parents hated him. That was his mission. When he walked through that door, he didn't say hi. He looked around with a smirk on his face and said, oh, well now I can see why Holly's a casual housekeeper implying that they're all not neat. And she never learned how to clean. Anyway, do you guys have a phone I can use? I need to call my mom.
Starting point is 01:07:56 Okay, not great, but not unsalvageable. They were there for a few days. Maybe it's gonna get better, but I restate in bed most of the time. He only came out of the room to eat the meals prepared by all these parents, so Fred, the dad, would sit at the head of the table and he would start carving the roast to pass around the table. Now, before the whole family can be served, Ira had not only gobbled down his entire plate, but started poking at the roast with his fork to get seconds.
Starting point is 01:08:20 Fred couldn't even, didn't even have the chance to say grace yet. Which I rate through the blessing. Listen, I'm not religious, but if you're feeding me and you want to pray in your house, meditate whatever it is before we eat, I will respectfully close my eyes or sit there listening to you, whatever you want me to do. But he just sat there chomping on the roast. Once everyone started eating, I regatta, went to the living room, that's attached to the dining area, turns on the TV full volume. Drags a chair up right in front of the TV so close to it that he could put his feet up
Starting point is 01:08:49 on the TV which he did. And he just starts watching TV. While the rest of the family started their dinner. Holly's parents can help but feel that he straight up wanted to piss them off to the point where they would throw him out of the house. Because that would put their Holly in a situation where she would have to choose between him and her parents. And she would most likely choose him.
Starting point is 01:09:11 He wanted her to be isolated from her family. Now, it didn't work because the maddoxes were smarter than that, and he resented them. He resented them for the fact that he couldn't get holly completely away from her family. They were just really shocked to see Holly like that though. I wrote with bark orders at her, brush my hair, and she would get up and do it without any complaints. And when they left, I re-handed Holly all the heavy bags and the suitcases to carry to the car,
Starting point is 01:09:36 and he only brought one tiny little bag out. Now, Holly's mom said, he had Holly so convinced that she was nothing, that she was just so stupid, that she didn't even have enough sense to go around the block, unless she was nice enough to lead the way. That's how he made her feel. So back in Philadelphia, Holly would wake up at 5 in the morning to go work at a bakery, come home, cook, clean, and Irawood constantly yell at her, insult her, make her feel small,
Starting point is 01:10:01 made her cry, and then she felt a pit in her stomach. She had missed her period. So she freaked out, and the previous time she was pregnant she had to get a traumatic abortion. I mean, it was hard draining emotionally, physically, everything, but she would have to go through it again. Because Ira was very clear with her, he wanted nothing to do with kids. And if she was pregnant, he didn't want to be involved in any capacity.
Starting point is 01:10:21 Holly had her second abortion, January 1974. Ira was in the waiting room reading newspapers, and that was the extent of his support. Actually, he did nothing to support her afterwards. In fact, he made it worse by saying, thank god you didn't have the baby. I want a real full woman to have a child with, not you. The relationship was downhill from there. Holly decided that they needed a break. She was gonna go to California,
Starting point is 01:10:46 he was gonna go to Europe, and this would be their time to explore life without each other, sleep with other people, see if they wanted to even keep going. So while in Europe, I was flirting with every pretty woman he sees, but he just couldn't stop thinking about Holly. He wrote about how he wanted a real woman in his life
Starting point is 01:11:02 like Holly, how she was the only thing on his mind. The thought of her with other men made him feel queasy. He called her 7000 miles away in California and he said, Holly, I miss you! Are you sleeping with other men? I mean, yeah, I'm just having fun with it. Oh no, no. Whatever you're doing, it's disastrous. It's disastrous, sexual things. Stop doing that! He did not like what he was hearing, but Holly was doing great.
Starting point is 01:11:27 She was taking time away from Ira to be on her own, which was probably the best thing she could do for herself. She was free to explore herself gain confidence. I mean, sex was just always this taboo thing in her life and now she's getting more comfortable with voicing her desires, with orgasming and communicating her pleasure. It wasn't just all sexual though.
Starting point is 01:11:47 She's making new friends. She did new jobs like massaging and reading horoscopes. She became more open, friendly. She liked connecting with people until she gets a letter from European Ira. He had a confession to make. He said, by chance, I was visiting a woman that I had a fling with before I met you.
Starting point is 01:12:04 And she lives in Europe and I went to go visit her a woman that I had a fling with before I met you. And she lives in Europe and I went to go visit her. And the woman had a child there. The child was mine. I'm a father. And the child had the deepest blue eyes that I've ever seen. And seeing this child made me realize that I want a child with you, Holly. I never realized how much of a violation abortions are, but I understand it now.
Starting point is 01:12:24 I get why it wasn't working out for us, but I understand it now. I get why it wasn't working out for us, but I want it to work now. I mean the audacity, the way he treated her during the abortion, the harsh words that he said afterwards, and now he wants kids with her, at first she's mad. But then she felt like this could only mean one thing, that he was in love with her, that he had changed and he was going to have a deeper, more meaningful relationship with her now. So she wrote in a letter to him, or about him, rather. Ira is far more accessible now, probably humbler, less cruel, more in touch with, you know, love and making love for me.
Starting point is 01:12:55 I'm sure he'll have changed much. I feel tenderness for him, a loosening of this tightness and the love he makes makes me realize that I feel equal and I just need it to know it. For not knowing has contributed so much to the emptiness and the fear and I just feel more capable now. I can be a woman. He wants to keep physical check on my presence. He touches me more often than before and he smiles and laughs without that horrific edge of before.
Starting point is 01:13:21 I just feel more equal now. I feel less afraid of his image. We're more the same size now and it's gonna take long before I'll be able to experience love or gasmically, but to be free of that fear is such a relief. So I would hold her back in Philadelphia and he tells her, he loves her, he needs her and that she belongs to him. Who likes that? I just, it's gotta be a thing, because it's in books, it's in novels, and you know what? Sometimes I read it in a book, and I'm like, oh, it's so hot. But I think that really happened to me in real life.
Starting point is 01:13:54 I'd be alarmed, no? Like a little bit of a red flag? I feel like you've only said it in the most comical way possible. You belong to me. Oh my god, exactly just like that so hot Now I'm sure that she's not orgasming with him But he's also non-stop cheating and in order for them to be good He just needed to read her journal. That's what he said to see that what you what to see what she was really up to in California Holly was hesitant, but she believed him. She wanted to start fresh no secrets and he read the diary and he looked up
Starting point is 01:14:32 Angrily face red and he said you will pay for that. I've no faith in you anymore and just like that. Yeah What is it place to begin? It wins to be prizes and Their relationship refer to back to where it had been before all of this. I mean even worse now Holly went back to essentially being Iris Cook and made, and he tore her down anytime she expressed any opinion. Her body just more for a worsen to the point where she became bulimic. And it got to the point where Holly sought out help from the form of peer counseling classes. So peer counseling was a movement that started in the 50s.
Starting point is 01:14:58 And it's the theory that you don't have to be a certified therapist to hear someone out, to give advice. So the idea is you get paired up with another person and you have a productive and therapeutic conversation. In groups of two, one person will assume the role of the therapist, you'll talk, then you'll switch. So Penny was Holly's partner and she said Holly always talked about Ira and it was always Ira pushing her to be or do something that she wasn't.
Starting point is 01:15:23 Sometimes it had to do with sex and sexuality. Petty said, I got the impression that he wanted her to make love to other women while he watched, and it was just something that she wasn't comfortable doing. But she did it because she didn't want to lose him. I also get the impression that very early on they had a very SNM relationship. I mean not the chains in the bondage, but something more psychological. You know, he was very powerful and charismatic, and she had this wafelike, very like quality to her. One time to the meetings, Holly brought baked bread, and everyone thought it was so sweet, because it's not a potluck.
Starting point is 01:15:56 Nobody is bringing anything, nobody's required to bring anything. But Holly just kind of brought it with the attitude of, here's the only thing I can do. Here's my measly gift to the class. I know anyone can do this or buy this, I mean it's stupid, but here's what I can do, sorry. Later she confessed to Penny. I retold her that she was nothing without him and all she was good for was baking bread. So Penny was worried that the relationship, if it wasn't already, was gonna get physically abusive. And her fears were confirmed when Holly showed up with a bruise on her face. She had a lot of bruises.
Starting point is 01:16:29 One time she showed up with a black eye. People said it was almost like Holly had this compulsion to be with him. She talked about how awful he made her feel. He made her feel like she was nothing and she had no value, but she kept going back. The couple went on a trip to Nova Scotia, and while they were staying at a farmhouse, Ira planned on doing a lot of reading and gardening, and it was supposed to ease their tension and the relationship. But they only fought more.
Starting point is 01:16:52 It got so bad to the point that Holly was, she ran off. She was like, I can't do this anymore. And she ran off and Ira wrote in his journal, not about how bad he felt or how sorry he felt because her ED was getting really bad during this point, or how shitty of a person he was to push her to this edge. No, he said, I don't dig sexual abstinence. I find myself masturbating a lot. I don't like being in a place where I do not have adequate access to women. I would never have put myself in a situation like this by choice. And for that reason alone, I'm pissed off at Holly.
Starting point is 01:17:26 Because she left. So he doesn't have someone to have sex with. But he still wrote her sweet letters trying to get her back. Holly had gone to Texas to cool off and be with her parents. She was just trying to figure out her life with the help of a married couple, Larry listen to his wife. You see, the list is they had an open relationship and Holly was sleeping with Larry. It's very sexual, but it was also a very deep emotional connection. in his wife. You see, the list is they had an open relationship and Holly was sleeping with Larry.
Starting point is 01:17:45 It's very sexual, but it was also a very deep emotional connection. Larry made it clear to her though, that his wife came first and above all, she was this everything. But Holly was okay with this. The two of them would just spend hours talking and talking about life and everything, and Larry knew about Ira. He didn't like him, he was a horrible person. He once saw Ira yang call his arm
Starting point is 01:18:05 to get her attention and he yanged so hard everyone was worried that her arm had come out of the socket. So after the newest fight, Holly stopped by to see Larry again and she brought gifts. A little tiny paper mache frog that she made. It hung in the list's kitchen for over a year until late 1977. One of the legs fell out just by itself. And Larry wondered, what kind of sign was that? He would tell Holly about it next time he saw her, but he would never see her again. After enough letters, Holly and Ira were back together and they were going to reconnect back home in Philadelphia. And at first things were going okay. Holly was trying to get her life together. She started cutting her hair, which Ira loved long hair. So this
Starting point is 01:18:44 was really for, you know, having a little bit of identity. She started seeing a therapist. She went to Tai Chi classes. She went on a new diet to control her ED and her diabetes. She even got an early part of her inheritance to the tune of $50,000. I mean, with this money, she could financially be independent enough to leave Ira at any point. She started standing up to 10 over the little things, but it felt big for Holly because after four years of being abused, this was everything. After sex, she would look I ran the eye and say,
Starting point is 01:19:13 that was great, but I didn't feel any orgasmic energy. She started meeting with friends, having more heart-to-heart conversations. She started, you know, meeting with other people, and then it was hard to not revert back to their regular routine of fighting. heart to heart conversations. She started, you know, meeting with other people. And then it was hard to not revert back to their regular routine of fighting. Ira just kept yelling, yelling at her about everything, about her pancakes, everything. I mean, Holly had a few jobs, she had a few hobbies, she had a few friends, but her life
Starting point is 01:19:37 still sent her around Ira. Ira, on the other hand, was still becoming a bigger, public figure. He gave speeches, attended gatherings, his life was around his work, and all of his other girlfriends, and then it's Holly. Oh, and his new obsession. Ira became obsessed with being psychic. He wanted to talk non-stop about UFOs, quantum physics, conspiracy theories, paranormal activities, and apocalyptic. This led to a lot of his original supporters just distancing themselves because you know these people They really cared about taking down capitalism and keeping the earth clean and now he's doing a lot and I write used to be someone Who is so hungry for knowledge?
Starting point is 01:20:13 He would listen to people to see if there was something that he didn't know but now now it seemed like he was just arrogant High and mighty he talked as if he knew everything that there was to work, he wanted to spend five and a half months in Europe to learn more about psychic experiments while he was there, and he wanted Holly to come. And so she did. And on most immediately, they started fighting, and they break up. Holly finds another guy whom she calls a delightful scot, and she wrote to her parents while she was in London. She said that she was having such a good time.
Starting point is 01:20:42 She felt free. She felt like she was having such a good time. She felt free. She felt like she was finally getting out of Ira's grasp, like, what was wrong with her? She told them of her plans to get her own apartment when she gets back. She's about to be 30.
Starting point is 01:20:54 She's gonna start fresh. She was this new journey now. Holly's family, they were ecstatic. Even when the letters stopped, they didn't freak out. Holly was known to be busy with life and she would write back when she had time. August turned to September and then October 2 was Holly's mom's birthday. That was a day Holly never missed. She always wrote a handwritten card wherever in the world she was. Nothing. On October 20th they
Starting point is 01:21:18 call I run and say, hey have you seen Holly? And he's like, oh yeah we came back to Philadelphia after our Europe trip and she left like three and a half weeks ago. She went to the store and just didn't come back. Actually, I was in the bathtub when she left. She said that she was going to go get milk and she didn't leave or she left and I called everybody that I knew. I checked with the police in the hospitals but nobody knows anything.
Starting point is 01:21:39 I mean, I talked to a friend of hers and she told me not to worry that I might not hear from her for a couple months. I don't know. Maybe she's just gone off to find herself. Oh, well did Holly have any money with her when she left? Maybe a few dollars? Did she take anything else? No, not that I know of. I mean the whole explanation was just bizarre and off. Liz called the police and they were not worried. They said, a flower child, like Holly, I mean she's probably off doing hippie things. She's not missing no way. And even if we thought that she was missing, there's no indication of foul play.
Starting point is 01:22:09 Holly's an adult. There's nothing we can do. So the Maddox's, if the police weren't going to do anything, they contacted a PI, the former chief of the Tyler Texas FBI bureau, Bob Stevens, who now owns his own private practice. So Bob starts looking into where their daughter is. And he tries reaching out to Ira, and he is just not having it. In fact, he starts just talking to the Maddox's, and is like, oh, I think Holly ran away because
Starting point is 01:22:31 her parents are so overbearing, and they're just crazy. But Bob's raiders are going off because why would Holly cut off all her friends too? I mean, it just doesn't make sense. She was already pretty removed from her parents' grasp. So Bob reaches out to another FBI agent, PI Robert, and the two of them they tried their best looking for Holly. They were invested on this. Their family was worried sick, the Maddox family, and the two PIs they're working hard
Starting point is 01:22:56 doing over time. Meanwhile, Ira was unbothered. He didn't give a shit where Holly was. Maybe because he already knew. A full year passes no word on Holly. But the PI had their big break when they found the delightful Scott that Holly had a relationship with before she went missing. His name was Saul and he was now living in New York City and he was doing well for himself. He was a good looking guy, he owned multiple properties, he was financially comfortable.
Starting point is 01:23:19 Anyway, Saul was familiar with Ira. Not just through Holly, but Saul's ex-wife had cheated on him with the unicorn Yes, my world Anyway, all we know is that when Ira found out about them He was pissed he wrote to her about it about how she was killing him He was devastated and heard and all he wanted were kids with her But and I quote her sweetness was going to another sucking another penis licking another asshole And her sweetness was going to another, sucking another penis, looking another asshole. Anyway, Saul and Holly made it to New York City.
Starting point is 01:23:47 They were trying to settle down together. They had this boat cruise that was coming up that they had planned. Holly wanted to get closure for my ride. So she goes to Philadelphia, meets with him for two days. Comes back super upset. And she tells Saul, can we postpone the boat trip? I just, I want it, I want it emotionally get over this. And then I can restart and we can have this fresh new life. It really seemed like
Starting point is 01:24:08 Holly was completely out of Iris gasp, grasp, but then they get a call that night. And I retell Saul. Hey you tell Holly to come see me right now or else all of her things her clothes her bank books her check books her books everything the antique lace that she got from Europe it's gonna be on the street. Holly was upset I mean she knew that he was capable of this, so she tells Saul I gotta go, I'll be right back, I love you, and we can go on our boat trip. Listen, I don't know why this guy has been able to push my buttons for this long, and she walked out the door, and that was the last time Saul ever saw Holly.
Starting point is 01:24:40 Now nobody knows what exactly happened on September 11th, but Ira would always insist Holly went off to a food co-op to live and never came back. But we do know that his life was kind of spiraling after this. He stopped going to all of these speeches and public gigs that he had planned. He started writing in his journal about how it was difficult to get up. He felt lonely. He couldn't shake the depression. He felt the loss of H very strongly, depressingly
Starting point is 01:25:07 overwhelming at times. He said, Holly and Ira 5th anniversary, what a way to celebrate at my lowest ebbs suicidal. He would write an angel lingers in my mind, much depressed, a bit of wanting to end it all. So it seems like he's very upset over something and he keeps saying brooding over age, depression over age, but age is nowhere to be found. Holly is nowhere to be found. He wrote poems about Holly. He called it suicide or just last one for age.
Starting point is 01:25:36 It took months, but by Christmas, Iver was back to normal. And the PIs were more convinced that they were dealing with a homicide. They reached out to anybody that used to live in the same apartment building as Ira when Holly was alive and there was a guy named James. He said oh oh that month? Oh yeah that was a weird month. So a repairman we're going from unit to unit to fix up the
Starting point is 01:25:56 balconies and the word on the block was Ira had padlocked his outside closet on the balcony and he stood guard there just telling the repairman not to touch it I mean the repairman were going around telling everyone cuz it was just so strange Wait, what the lock to the balcony balcony closet Hmm and usually during the summer's another weird thing is I live in this building for seven years during the summers I would go on trips to Europe and normally he would sublet his apartment But this time he didn't so it's kind of weird like for seven years he did this and now this year he doesn't sublice it, that's weird.
Starting point is 01:26:29 And then there was the smell. You know, the smell was coming out of his apartment. I mean, no amount of air freshener could hide it. Everybody just thought it was the smell of rotting wood. It just made the most sense. So the PIs give this to the police, who now had enough circumstantial evidence for a search warrant. And they walk in and yes,
Starting point is 01:26:45 they smelt it first. They broke into the porch closet and there was this large trunk, four and a half feet long, two and a half feet wide, two and a half feet deep, and the police broke the lock and the entire trunk was filled with foam, and there was something protruding out, a human hand. Curled up and frozen still. Their remains were partially mummified, dressed in shirt and slacks with long blonde hair. They turned to Ira who was nonchalant, he had maintained his composure and they said, we found the body Ira. It looks like Holly. And he said, you found what you found? Do you want to tell us about it? Nope. Ira was taken into custody.
Starting point is 01:27:25 Which what the heck? I don't know why, but I guess some guards liked him and they actually asked Ira questions about meditation techniques. Excuse me, what? He also claimed, I've been outspoken my entire life, but I never have I been violent. I want to be very direct about this. I did not kill whoever was supposed to be in there. I am not a killer.
Starting point is 01:27:44 I do not know if a body got in there. I don't know how, if there is a body of that, I don't even know if it's a body! Holly's autopsy showed that she had craniosirubial injuries in the brain and skull, which means someone hit her on the head from above with an instrument similar to the base of a lamp. The holes in the skull were so big that you couldn't even define how many times one area had been struck. There were at least 10 to 12 fractures, maybe more. This is no possibility of accidental death. I reclaimed it was a setup.
Starting point is 01:28:12 He said, of course, the CIA wants to take me out or kidnap me. I mean, think about it. I am a leader in the mind war. What we're trying to do is going to change the reality structure that we're living in. And of course, the CIA is after me. He went on to do an interview and he said, the two of us, we had hit each other before I'm going to be honest. Howley and I, we were in love, we were in deep love, very deep, we were both intense people.
Starting point is 01:28:35 But this, this is the time of testing. I try to learn from every situation. Now I'm going to see if my friends believe in me. I think they do, I know that people will help, I know that people refuse to believe what's being said. I mean, these people know me. They'll stand by me. I'm sure of it. Somehow Ira was let out on bail.
Starting point is 01:28:51 A supporter had paid it. Actually a fascinating story. It was the wife of the heir to the Seagrim liquor company. Charles Bronfman, that's his name, his wife paid it. Yeah, I wonder if they were having an affair. I know. I mean, allegedly don't sue me, see Grims, but like, allegedly. She paid his bail.
Starting point is 01:29:07 The unicorn was now free. He starts doing interviews and he sets him bizarre things. He said, if I were guilty, it'd be a lot easier. I could plead insanity or something of that sort. But I'm innocent, so it's an impossible situation. I'm fine, believe it or not. My spirit is very high and I'm feeling very good. I mean, I'm looking at this situation as clearly as I possibly can. I'm not depressed in any way. I'm just
Starting point is 01:29:28 looking at my options. He claimed if the public believed the prosecutors, it was all the CIA. They're already controlling the masses, with brain control, mind control, tricking them into believing that I'm guilty. Ira already had a lot of supporters and it only grew because news came out. FBI came to the conclusion that there was not any blood or human protein and any of the floorboards in that apartment. So I wrote to anyone who would listen. Anyone can see that I'm a reasonably intelligent being, right?
Starting point is 01:29:53 And if I would take the trouble to drain blood from a body, because that's the only way there's no blood on the floor, I mean, how am I gonna hit her that many times, not get blood anywhere, I certainly wouldn't put a body in the trunk of my apartment. I mean, I certainly wouldn't put a body in the trunk of my apartment. I mean, I certainly wouldn't put it where I knew police were investigating, and I knew that a PI was investigating.
Starting point is 01:30:10 That doesn't make sense. So an interviewer asked, are you suggesting it would be impossible to drain a body of blood in the apartment and not get blood on anything? Yeah, I think so. I mean, how do you get blood out of a body? I don't know how to drain blood from the body. Certainly, I'm bright enough to learn how to do anything,
Starting point is 01:30:26 but that's not something I bother to learn about. I can't tell you how it's done. I can't tell you how to drain a blood, a body for blood. The skull was supposedly fractured six to 12 times, multiple times. You can't tell me blood didn't squirt all over the place. And no matter how careful you are, you wouldn't be able to get all of it up.
Starting point is 01:30:40 So this is not the crime scene. Exactly. Now, Ira felt free. He felt like his name had been cleared. He went out, got a new apartment, a 22-year-old girlfriend. She was very similar to Holly. She was the oldest of six kids from a conservative Republican family. She was the only one of her siblings to lead a progressive life with drugs and conventional.
Starting point is 01:31:00 I don't know. They said morality, but she just was a free person. She just had an aversion to authority. She also happened to be 18 years younger. She just pretty much became a submissive maid after she moved in. And it's all because of Iris manipulation. I'm not saying like this is her, like this is him. I went on to spend all of his time working on a manuscript for a book, which is kind of
Starting point is 01:31:21 funny because no publisher wanted it. They said, you know, the book would have been better if you were guilty. But like when you're innocent, it's not, it's not really solvable. I love it. I love it. Books are crazy. The irony is a lot of things. Yes. They were like, can you just like say you're guilty for the book? Because then we'll buy it. But if not... Police are not listening. I promise. Yeah. Because this is kind of boring, you know? What? He did not seem to care that his trial was scheduled to start because he already had a plan He needed to leave to Europe. He told his friends that he wasn't gonna spend his life in jail That was something he was sure about so Ira and Jan his girlfriend went apartment hunting in Dublin
Starting point is 01:32:00 Which was allegedly financed by the Seagrim Eris What is going on? Yeah, and they said financed by the Seagram-Aris. What is going on? Yeah, and they said that Ireland was the perfect refuge. It was an English-speaking country that had no extradition treaty with the US at the time. Meanwhile, Iris Trial goes cold for another five years. Iris spent most of his time in his fancy modern two-bedroom apartment in one of Dublin's best neighborhoods, reading, writing, having sex with tons of young girls, and he was constantly cheating on his girlfriend.
Starting point is 01:32:27 After 16 years, Iroh was finally tracked down in France, where there is an extradition treaty. He was living in a farmhouse in the region's champagne. It took another four years to bring him back to the US. Meanwhile, the public debated. Iroh's supporters thought that he was being politically targeted, and how could he possibly receive a fair trial after all of this.
Starting point is 01:32:50 Others were saying that the American justice system is so sick. I mean, think about it. Based on the offender, based on the defendant, some people go to jail for weed, and this guy murdered someone, and you just let him roam Europe? Free? Willie Nellie? Anyway, trial started in 2002 and he claimed to have been framed by the FBI or the CIA. Nobody bought it. He was found guilty
Starting point is 01:33:13 after only two hours of deliberations. He was sentenced to life without parole and he died in prison in 2020 at the age of 79 due to his heart problems and not COVID. I don't know why they made it a big deal to be like not not COVID, you know, I have COVID. He's been to almost 18 years in prison for the murder of Holly Maddox. I would say that's not nearly enough. Yeah, he lives such a great life. Yeah, traveling around Europe, just living the life.
Starting point is 01:33:40 I, this story gets me angry. Yeah. I mean, just, and I think this is one of those questions. People can do good but how much can you separate art and impact versus who the person is? Because he did do good. He did you know make Earth Day a big thing in Philadelphia. Yeah, but you can't just kill people. Exactly. Yeah, but some people still supported him. Wow, so he's known as the unicorn killer.
Starting point is 01:34:08 Actually, one of the Vidaat guys helped track down the unicorn killer. Wow. Yeah, Frank made the facial reconstruction. Wow. I believe yeah, helped track down the unicorn killer. So so many connections in this one, I tell you. Let me know what are your thoughts and make sure to stay tuned on Sunday for the mini-suit. Bye.
Starting point is 01:34:22 connections in this one I tell you. Let me know what are your thoughts and make sure to stay tuned on Sunday for the mini-suit. Bye!

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