Rotten Mango - #20- The Hunger Games Serial Killer (Case of Robert Hansen)

Episode Date: October 21, 2020

He blindfolds his victims, releases them out into the wilderness, gives them a head start... then he hunts them down with his hunting rifle.  Hunting is his favorite game and human are his favorite prey.  This is the story of the real-life Hunger Games serial killer. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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So last week's episode was the forbidden meet. We talked about cannibals. We talked about Albert Fish, Catherine Knight, Oodh, that one was a good one, right? She tried to serve her husband, her boyfriend, to her, you get it, you heard it, okay? Well, this week's episode is gonna be the real life Hunger Games murders.

This is a wild trip. So a couple months ago I came across this guy and people were talking about how he genuinely hunted people. Not in like your what do you call it 48 hours type of sounds where like the news anchor is like he was hunting women in the streets to kill. Not like that. He would literally hunt people. He would bring women into the woods, get them, you know, a head start and let them run around the woods while he hunts them. I binge pretty much every documentary that was available to me. I even thought about reading a book that was written about him, but then I ended up just like reading through like the first, I want to say like 15 pages of Google. You don't even know what's on the 15th page of a Google search. You don't even want to

know. It's just weird stuff. And so I read through every single little article credible or not that I could find so that I could try to compile this into my brain because what the fork is going on dude. This is a weird, weird story. And in order to kind of ease you into it, the concept has been around for quite some time. This is probably going to remind you of the Hunger Games, or it's going to remind you of a movie that came out this year called The Hunt, which was a highly political movie about a bunch of, I didn't watch it, but I think it's about liberals and right-wing people, and they just like fucking honking each other in the woods. I don't know. I don't know. But essentially, the

concept remains. It was people hunting people as as sport and not hunting people as cannibals do as in like no I genuinely want to eat you as flesh But more like literally I'm gonna hunt you because hunting is fun and I want to hunt people So this is the first time I've heard someone that you know people kill for sex stay kill for you know all these reason But this guy killed for the joy of, like, the hunt. I think the reason that this one's so weird is because that's something that's synonymous with most serial killers. You will hear people, especially if you listen to true crime or you watch documentaries,

you'll hear people being like, he'd said it for the thrill of the hunt or like the stalking. He loved to stalk his victims. And every situation is kind of made out to be like this serial killer literally is hunting for his prey, which it does make sense. And that is what it is. But this is in the most utter and literal sense that you can imagine. He did, I was got a hunting rifle and was like,

okay, you go first and then I'll come kill you. Ho-hoo. I don't know what that who-hoo sound effect was. I don't know. This concept has not been like a new thing. This was an old concept. There's actually this story. This one was written in like the early 1900s and I'm going to kind of give you like a little bit of a gist of it.

So there's two people on a yacht and these passengers, they see an island and it's called Ship Trap Island and they said like, listen, anytime there's a sailor a yacht and these passengers they see an island and it's called ship trap island And they said like listen anytime there's a sailor you're a sailor whether you're on a yacht or like a tiny little boat The sailors get so uneasy anytime they pass ship trap island There's some sort of like dread there's like this weird superstition with the island that all of these sailors just go missing They're like they're broke crashes there and then they just go missing. And so the two people that are on the yacht one of them is named Whitney and the other one is Rain's Ferd. We're just gonna call him Rain, right? So they're friends and they're actually big game hunters and they're on their way to our hunting trip in the Amazon River. So they're on this

little yacht. You got the sailors sailing away and they're passing Shiptrap Island in a storm approaches and they get into like this massive conversation like, hey, do you think the animals that we hunt for have feelings? And one of them Whitney was like, well, I don't think so. I mean, I think this is just the circle of life, you know, and then Rain, he was like, well, I think that they share the same common feeling of fear for their life. Like, there's no way that there's any animal out there that isn't scared for their freaking balls when they're about to die. Like, you kind of know when you're about to die, especially when someone's hunting you, right? So there's gotta be a fear

of death. And so they kind of have a debate and they settle on the fact that at least both of them are hunters and not the one being hunted. They're like, you know what? Maybe they feel it, maybe they don't, but we don't give a shit. Right? That was kind of like the conclusion of this thought-provoking discussion. It's getting a little bit uncomfortable. They're sailing past this island. The sailors are getting uneasy. The storm is like thundering. There's like water everywhere. It's literally like pirates of the Caribbean type of shit. And rain, he hears three gunshots in the distance. So he decides to go out onto like the deck and he investigates further. And as he goes closer to the railing, he fucking topples over. Okay, this was the 1900s, the story's a little weird. So he topples over into the roaring storm waters,

but instead of dying, he just swims to the island. He was like, I'm just gonna swim here. And so he swims his way, Michael Phelps that shit to the island, and he immediately knocks out when he reaches the shore. So he's like safe. He's on the island. The next morning he wakes up,

he's searching for food. He goes into this jungle. There's trees everywhere. There's like sounds of wildlife everywhere. And he finds this large animal that was killed and like empty guncacings nearby. So he's like, oh my gosh, like there must be a hunter then. If I can find the hunter, then we can talk about it. And I can be like, hey, like I'm just gonna stay here until I get rescued. And maybe we can eat some of the game that you caught together, right? So he follows the Hunter's footsteps and comes across a giant mansion at the edge of the island. And it's got like beautiful cliff views. Like this is a billionaire's mansion, Jeffrey Epstein.

And, um, no, but this is so similar to the whole thing. It's kind of crazy. That's what everyone was saying on Reddit. They were like, wow, an island. Wait, this is a fake story, right? Yeah, in the 1900s. And they're like an island with a mansion, with rich people, hunting people. Yeah, it's kind of scary. I'm like saying that very lightly because I'm a little scared. And so there's two men inside. One of them is called Zoroff and he is the owner of the mansion and he's got his like little handyman, whose name is Ivan. And so they let him into the room and they show him

like this room that he can change for dinner. Like it's just, I mean who does that? They're just like please come into my mansion, come into my castle. Please, here's some clothes for dinner and he approaches dinner. It's in this huge lavish dining hall and they're eating and they're all talking about hunting and they let her get into the conversation about you know what the Sport of hunting has now become too easy like once you are an avid hunter and once you are a Proficient hunter the rest of it is just like I'm too good at this shit, you know like I cut so much moose Like there's no there's no bigger game that we can go after. If you've conquered the top of the top, what other animal can you kill really? And so they kind of get into like a, oh, bull us type of conversation about it.

And then the guy is the rough, the person that owns the mansion, he says, well, lately they've been hunting new animals. And these are animals with courage, and they're cunning, and they have reason. And they're just so, they're just so smart. And so we find out that rain obviously realizes that he's talking about fucking people. We're not fucking them, but like people, he's hunting people. Okay?

Maybe he is fucking them. We don't know what's going on in the island really. And so rain and he gets engaged and rage. I'm like, he gets engaged to Zeroth, okay? I'm sorry. He gets enraged and he realizes that he's talking about humans. So the guy is like, hey, don't knock it till you try it. I'm actually going hunting tonight.

Do you want to come? And he's like, nothing, dude. I'm good. I'm not going to go hunt down other people. And he was like, find suit yourself. And he goes to bed in the guest room. And the rest of them go hunting. Now in the middle of the night he gets woken up by his rob who says listen I'm a meaning to tell you hunting for humans has gotten so boring the sailors they're too easy you know they all hide in the same places they all run they all try to reason

with me they all try to convince me and they don't some of them don't even run away anymore. You know, he's saying all this shit and he's like, but it'd be different though with you. Imagine hunting a hunter. And so he goes, how about this? I'll, I'll guard you a deal. You know, if you survive three days and I'm trying to hunt you during those three days and you survive, I'll let you off the island. Free. I'll find you accommodations, I'll find you a fucking yacht to sail off the island with. I will do that off for you. So they feed him, they give him some clothes, and he makes off into the jungle with just a knife. Now he cuts these complicated trails through the jungle and climbs up a very tall tree, and soon enough, Zeroth finds him, but he lets him go because he wants more of a fight.

So then he makes a booby trap to kill Zeroth, but it only ends up wounding the guy. So then he's like, okay, I'm gonna be back tomorrow. All in all, he keeps making up these booby traps. He literally puts wooden stakes into the quicksand. There's like, how dogs that are following him, right? And he lasts the three days. He manages to make Zeroth believe that he had jumped off the cliff.

So the dog circle him, he jumps off the cliff and Zeroth goes home disappointed, but to his surprise, Rain was hiding in the curtain. And he attacks Zeroth, and Zeroth had mentioned that night that one of them will be sleeping on a comfortable bed while the other one is being eaten by the dogs. You know, because the other guy Ivan had already been killed. And so Rainsford said that that was the best bed he'd ever laid on in his entire life. Because he killed Zara? Yeah. Because he wants to kill people too? So it seems like it's a little open-ended, but overall, yes. So like the idea of hunting people has been around for so long, and then you've got the Hunger Games, and you've got literally the movie called The Hunts and then like technically

the purge could be considered a hunting people for sport type of game, right? So that kind of segues into one of Alaska's most prolific serial killers that ever existed, the man who literally hunted women. I don't really want to like step on people's toes because I think that I don't understand lots of different cultures, you know? And especially coming from the South, I know that there's a lot of things different there than there are from LA or California

or like anywhere else in the world, right? Hunting for me is something that is hard for me to understand. But I also see why people enjoy it. So there's a lot of people who think that it's like the full circle of it. So there's a lot of people who think that it's like the full circle of life. So there are a lot of people who will actually use the animal to the fullest extent. Like they follow all the laws, they don't go after like just what do you call it trophy game, which is usually why people go and illegally kill lions and stuff like that. They will literally go and hunt over populated deer

and eat the whole deer, you know, and they are very sustainable, I guess you could say in the way that they do it. Like those types of things are a little bit different. So there's going to be a lot of hunting talk in this episode. I'm not saying I endorse it. I'm just saying I am not educated enough to say something very strongly with my whole fucking chest and be like, this is what I believe, but I'm just saying it's just not something I could ever do. And his name is, okay, his name's a very interesting one. So his name's Robert Hansen. And there's theories on Reddit about why he's not a more famous serial killer,

because the premise of all of this, the premise of all of his crimes, seems to be so fascinating. But why isn't he a household name like your Ted Bundy's? I mean, he has a victim count that totals up to 17. Like, why is he lesser known than everyone else? Not saying that he deserves, you know, no variety or anything like that, but a lot of people believe

it has to do with the fact that there was another Robert Hansen and his last name was spelled with two S's and he was like a traitor to the US government and it happened around the time, I think the same time. So if you look at Robert Hansen, you have to be very diligent that you're not reading about the trader. Trader, like he sold us out.

Yeah, so Robert Phillip Hanson is a former federal Bureau of Investigation agent who spied for Soviet and Russian intelligence services against the United States. What if I'm more interested in that story? And I'm just kidding. So they have the same name and you're saying that they are trying to cover this up? No, like everyone was just talking about the other guy more.

So when you search for like Robert Hansen if you spell it incorrectly or even if you spell it correctly, sometimes you'll get the other dude because that was a much bigger case. Gotcha. You know, and a lot of it had to do with, I mean, there's also controversy about that because this one is about a serial killer who mainly targets sex workers in Alaska During a time where sex work in Alaska will even to the state sex work anywhere is just undervalued So it was just a lot, right? So Robert Hansen he was not an Alaska native

He was actually born in Ohio and his dad is this Danish immigrant and he's a baker So his other name is actually called the baker butcher, which kind of adds a lot of more mysterious to this because I mean, he has a donut shop, like he bakes cute shit and he's like, let me give you like hot little dinner rolls and then he's like, let me go kill people. Like it's really just a little strange.

And so his dad, they were Danish immigrants and he was a baker and he had opened up This bakery in Pocahontas, Ohio It's a small little town and this was the best fucking bakery in Pocahontas, Ohio They said listen there had never been a bakery with good baked goods in Pocahontas And so when they came around we were like holy forking shit We love you guys and so they did really well from themselves But of course being like a Danish immigrant and just his personality the dad Mr. Hanson he just was not like a happy

go lucky type of dad and he was a really punishing type of dude he would make Robert hang out we're gonna call him Rob he would make Rob hang out in the bakery like pretty much all day after school he would have to work in the bakery when he was like I mean child labor laws got nothing on this dude right so he was just like you're coming into the bakery and you're working here and I feel like a lot of immigrants go through that yeah we don't know child labor law he would do that for his bakery and he just it's not child labor it's just helping the family being a part of contributing for the family. Yes, a family goal family family bonding. Yes, family chores family chores. And so he learned all of his

like baking secrets from his dad like he was a good baker. Now when he was younger he had a lot of struggles. So his first struggle was that he had a stutter. He had a really, really bad stutter. And then the second one was that he had insane severe acne. And even when he was arrested for all of these crimes, like he was permanently scarred from the acne that he had. So it was really, really intense. And he would say to the police that he looked like a freak and sounded like one. So he was constantly made fun of by girls at school and he ended up hating every single girl that had ever walked to this earth Like he just fucking hated girls because none of them wanted to date him I mean it's sad, but also he hated girls because none of them wanted to date him

So just say he became like this quiet Loaner and he also had like lots of daddy issues. So he ended up just practicing hunting in archery He's like this is my refuge like people are gonna be like, hey, you're a loser. And I'm gonna be like, no, uh, this weekend, I went and I hunted, like, hunted two deer. This was his way of being like, I'm a man. Like, this is what I'm gonna do. And there was something about killing the animals that made him a little bit excited. So he's kind of like a serial killer childhood of like, he wants to torture and kill animals, but he went about in the more socially acceptable way of hunting versus um, I don't know fucking taking your neighbors cat And just like decline it, you know what I mean?

So it just was a people didn't really look too much into it Especially because it was in Pocahontas, Iowa where a lot of people were already hunting And so when he graduates from high school he immediately joins the Army and that was his first sexual experience. He was in the Army. He was stationed in New York and he found a prostitute in New York City. And he said it was utterly the most disappointing thing that he had ever experienced in his life. I mean, she hopped into the bed for 0.2 seconds and then she hopped out and then charged him for it. And you know, a lot of people were thinking to themselves, it doesn't sound like it was her problem. But you know, if you want to believe that, I guess you will believe what you want to believe. He said it was just two seconds in bed with a girl and he had a

pay for it. And that's when he had this new belief that anyone who pays for prostitutes should be the person in charge because you're the paying customer, you're the client. After one year, he gets discharged from the army and he joins a police academy in Pocahontas, Ohio, and he starts working as a drill sergeant. So he's just doing all these drills, and he meets a younger woman at work at the police academy and he just marries her. So like, this is very confusing because he ends up getting married twice and building a family life. So it seems like I don't know why he just held on to this idea of his hatred for women because he ended up finding nice women who were you know beautiful and they were loving to him and they really genuinely loved him as a person like I don't know why he later would

Carry on to murder so many people while he has a happy marriage at home. So, so he's doing this while he is married? Yeah. Behind their back. And his wife is just decent. She is a very nice woman. She loves him. There was no affairs happening in the house. There was nothing like they had a happy marriage.

So it's just confusing. Like I could kind of understand maybe if like he tried to date later on still wasn't working. Like he tried to get married. It still wasn't working and it just was all going to shit. It's kind of, like I could kind of understand maybe if like he tried to date later on, still wasn't working, like he tried to get married, still wasn't working, and it just was all going to shit. It's kind of different, right? But he was like, no, I'm still going to kill people. His first crime happened when he was 21 years old.

He went to the Pocahontas County Board of Education where they had like this giant barn filled with school buses, and that's where they housed all of like the district school buses. And he went out there, and he burnt that shit down to the ground He was like I'm so upset. He said that school did him wrong the school the high school itself and all of the schools in Pocahontas were out to get him like he genuinely believed they were out to get him even though he had Graduated and fucking gotten married So he did a arson. Yeah a a massive arson case. And I mean, this was huge. He was immediately found. He was he told them it was for his high school revenge. And he spent 20 months in jail. And during that period, he was diagnosed with bipolar disorder with periodic schizophrenic episodes. And the psychiatrist even labeled him as someone having infantile personality. And what that means is that he was obsessed with getting back at people. Like that's just what it means. Like those types of people who like, you know how kids sometimes kids have like little grudges because they're like kids and they

don't, they haven't like fully developed, which hence the name infantile personality. But then when you're an adult, like typically you don't really have, yeah, some people have a stronger taste for revenge, but this just means like someone could literally step on your foot and you will remember it 20 years down the road and if you see the opportunity to fucking step on both their feet you're gonna take it like those types of people like not the type of people that's like oh you're sorry like that's fine like they just are like like normal people yeah they're like right this down in my And then you're like, oh my gosh, I think that's why I'm like so scared

of talking to people sometimes, because you never know who that person is. What do you mean, you mean like you step on their toe 10 years ago? Yeah, exactly. Like if I go out and I meet 10 people and I step on all of their toes because I'm a clumsy aspects,

and I don't mean to, right? And I apologize to all of them. I feel like what are the odds that at least one of them has this type of personality Where they're like I'll remember that Stephanie too. I'll fucking remember that During his time in jail his wife actually ended up divorcing him and his parents were like you are the biggest fucking disappointment that we have ever seen in our entire lives So they sell their bakery in Iowa and they all move to Minnesota. And that's where he meets his second,

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During their marriage, in the beginning, he started getting arrested for things like petty theft. And when he was asked about it, he just said that he liked the thrill of stealing stuff. I mean, it really had nothing to do with necessity, they didn't need for anything, he just liked that thrill, the adrenaline rush, and all of that. They ended up having two kids together, they had a daughter by the name of Christy, and a son by the name of Johnny. And they loved their kids. That's what's so interesting about

this case. It's almost like BTK, which his daughter has been really outspoken even to this day. case. It's almost like BTK, which his daughter has been really outspoken even to this day. Um, her dad is a prolific serial killer that she had an amazing childhood and she loved her dad. Like her dad was like her best friend at one point, never, never weird. Like he never looked at people weird in public. He never like looked at women like, oh, I can't wait to kill that bitch in public. Like there was nothing in him that she, she couldn't even, at first she thought people were lying to her. But isn't that way more?

That's way scarier. Right. You are just totally bearing all that psychopathic tendencies inside. You can turn on, turn off. Yeah, that's so scary. That is so good. But that kind of how this dude was,

like Rob was so good with his kids, especially Christie. She was like best, she was daddy's little girl. And so she loved her dad. There was nothing weird going on in that relationship. Like he genuinely was known as an upstanding family man. Right? So he's really close with his kids. He thought about teaching them about hunting

when they get older and stuff like that. And Christie and the kids, they'll take it so hard later on, right? So the one weird thing though that you will notice in his marriage is the fact that he had a really warped idea of what a good woman was. And you know how when you ask people right now like, hey honey, what's your definition of a good woman? Good woman? Yeah, let's go say it like a good girl, like a good female. Good woman? Yeah, let's go say it like a good girl Like a good female Like someone who doesn't talk too much

Doesn't research true crime up until three in the morning. Yeah, doesn't punch you in her sleep because she had a weird dream Preferably. Yeah, probably Like we all have definitions of what a good man or a good woman is right But his was fucking weird So he said that he the one thing that in his marriage that he wished was that he would get oral sex. Like he really wanted blow jobs. But he would never, under any circumstances, would want his wife to perform oral sex

because she was a good woman. Wait, so what's going on? And that's like not making sense. So he wants a good woman. Wait, so what's going on? That's like not making sense. So he wants a blowjob? Yes. But he would never want his wife to give him a blowjob because that would make her not a good woman. Okay, so he wants another girl to perform.

Blow jobs. Like a blowjob is. And the wife should be okay with that? I mean, she had no idea that he was even thinking about this. Like I'm sure if he was just a normal dude in Saturday and was like, hey, have you heard about blow jobs? Those sound kind of cool. I'm sure being the loving wife that she was, she was like, you know what, maybe we'll

try something new, right? But he didn't even do that. He tells the police later that the one issue that he had in his marriage is that he wanted oral sex and he would never, under any circumstances, would want his wife to perform oral sex because that is so degrading. Because he wants his wife to be a good woman and like only nasty woman give blow jobs. But he's not a good man. Yeah.

Why the fuck do you want your wife to be a good woman when you're not a good man? Exactly. This one it was like a head trap. I'd sit there and be like, okay, I'm so confused because usually people, okay, I mean, it was just weird, right? So that was like the biggest tip in their relationship. Now, they decided to move to Anchorage, Alaska and get a clean start because lots of things were traveling,

like happening in their past and they were just kind of traveling around with Rob. And so they said, let's go to Alaska. Nobody freaking knows us in Alaska and it sounds amazing. Like we're into hunting. There is so much places to hunt in Alaska. Alaska is known to be such a great place to live if you love the outdoors, if you love hunting, or if you love mountains, if you love traveling, if you like camping.

But it's also a place to go if you don't want to be seen It's also a place to go if you know Maybe you don't want your crimes to be seen because it's just how big Alaska is and how much of it is just Wilderness and it's just it's a place where you could really get away with some things I feel is that what you heard That's what I heard. I've never personally some things I thought that would you heard that's what I heard I've never personally been I've also heard you know you could do that in Texas and New Mexico because you got the desert and then you got some weird shit going on in Texas not some weird shit but like lots of weird nature going on in Texas oh Florida swamps I

heard you could do some shit in the washlands. I Feel like Vegas is Why don't you go to Vegas? I'm kidding Yeah, maybe Nevada. I don't know, but I heard Alaska you could get away with some stuff I've never personally been right so they moved to Anchorage Alaska and they open up their own little bakery and they called it Hanson's bakery and so it was this cute little life They were well liked by their neighbors. He was a family man. He got a pilot's license.

He even bought a plane, a tiny little plane. And this sounds crazy, but it's actually not unusual in Alaska, especially if you like to hunt. So when you hunt from the roads, like that's where you drive into the wilderness, like that's where you're going to the Kinnick River, right? You drive into the wilderness, you park your car, there's only so much distance that you can do by foot while you're hunting.

And because these animals are so smart, like the big game, they're not going to be around the roads because they know humans are there. So they're usually out literally in this included wilderness. So the only way to get to the areas like that is by boat or by plane. And plane was relatively easier. So I think at the time, there were maybe like $20,000 to get one of those like two-seaters that were not really like you can't go afar distance. It's just literally for like right there right? That is so cool. I'm sure it's a lot more expensive now. But around that time he got a tiny

little plane and he would fly out to get better game is what they called it. So he wanted like big game. I'm talking 300 pound animals, not just like a deer here and there. He would be out there all day. He would never see a single soul. It just... His hunting schedule kind of helped him get away with a lot of things because his family never suspected anything. There would be times where he would literally go out there and just be gone for like days. And he could just be like, yeah, go fucking lost in the woods. And who's to say that didn't happen? And one of his favorite places to hunt was the Kineck River. It was beautiful. He would constantly go there for rabbit hunting and moose hunting. Those were like his two things. And he said it's a hunter's

paradise. Now his second life at the bakery. So people knew that he was a hunter, but at the bakery and by everyone in the community he was known as a mousy dude. Like that's how people saw him as a mouse. Like he would stutter still and he would be incredibly shy. He looked like just kind of like like kind of like him. Like mousy kind of like shy in the corner like not an elephant. Like not a bear in the room like mous, like would you notice his presence if he randomly walks into the room where you were having a conversation

with someone probably not, right? So he was kind of a Malcy dude, even the police would love to get their donuts and coffee there, like the police frequented Hanson's bakery a lot and they got along with Rob because he was just a chill ass dude, There was no way anyone could ever suspect that like the police thought the worst he could do is probably a skipper red light. And he must be drunk to do that because they didn't even think he could do something like that.

He was so malsy. And I think a lot of it had to do with the fact that he's stuttered, which I mean, I guess there's so much social stigma against it. And especially this was like back then, that right so a lot of people thought He was weak of course he can't really do anything he can't even you know He hated the word school Because that would trigger his daughter a lot and he hated school even more because he couldn't say school without getting made fun of

So like he would continue that stutter well into his you know older days and would continue that starter well into his, you know, older days. And Darla, she went to church. This is the wife. So she was a woman of faith. She taught school and she focused on teaching kids with dyslexia. So in Anchorage, Alaska, there really weren't a lot of great schools back then, right? And she was one of the teachers and people had no idea what to do with kids with special needs. They would be like, what do we do? Like, we don't have a program for this. We don't really have a budget for this, right? And so the principal would just say, just put the kid in Darla's class. You know, a lot of kids who were her student, they were interviewed. And for a lot of documentary, a lot of them said, I have nothing but good

things to say about Darla. Like, she was genuinely an amazing teacher. But he hates school, and she's a teacher. Yeah. And she was a really good teacher. And maybe that had something to do with it. She was a really sympathetic person. And maybe she had a lot of love for people because, you know, her husband's tutors and maybe she knows the pain that he went through. So maybe she's like, I'm going to help these kids, right? And so it just was, it really seemed like the perfect relationship.

Now, let's talk about Marshall. So there's a guy let's talk about Marshall. So there's a guy by the name of Marshall and he was actually approached by Darlah. And she said, listen, I know you hunt. My husband hunts, he has no friends. You guys want to go hunting together. And so they're both hunters. Rob decides to fly him in his plane to go hunting. And again, this is not unusual. And Marshall had a really good time. Like they caught a lot of like game. He was really good. He was really smart and yeah he's a little quiet and timid and shy but he was overall a very generous person.

Who, Marshall? No Rob the serial killer. So Marshall is talking about like he's a generous dude and I even saw someone post on Reddit that he knew that they knew Rob Hanson that they grew up in Anchorage, Alaska Personally, and they said that he's a generous ass dude Like you could go into his bakery and if your friends with him He will just like give you free hot dinner rolls and like just send you on your merry way and he's just really nice because he doesn't care about Money and any of that and so Marshall was like wow, this is a nice guy, right? And so he continues to hang out with them. And then, you know, a couple weeks later,

when a Marshall's friends comes up to Marshall and it's like, hey, I'm just warning you, I'm not to go hunting with Rob. You know how we like hunting? Because we like the outdoors. And we like that circle of life. And we like to, you know, I can see how this makes sense, right? But a lot of hunters say that you don't appreciate meat or food

until you've had to take a life, right? It sounds like the opposite. It sounds like you're more aggressive. Like you're like, oh, yeah, fuck those animals. I don't care, right? But a lot of hunters who are genuinely in it for good, I guess, they say that you don't appreciate like a burger until you've had to take the life yourself. Like it's a different type and then you learn how not to waste me because you know what that

meat is. I see. So you know, he was saying things like, you know how you and I do it for that reason, right? Yeah. Well, I think Robert doesn't do it for that. So Marshall's like, what are you talking about? I don't know, dude. I went hunting with him a couple weeks ago, and I think he just is in it for the, the real of killing things. And that's alarming for them.

Yeah, so I guess there's different types of hunters, you know? And I think the ones that we see a lot in media are like the ones that go like fucking Africa and kill a lion and take a picture with it And you're like what the fork right? But it seems like a lot of people in Anchorage, Alaska, they're not like that like they literally hunt for meat Yeah And they you know are trying to be as good about the process and so they were kind of alarmed They were like okay, that is a little bit weird like he seems to enjoy the kill a little too much to give you some insight on

Anchorage at the time, Anchorage was going insane. So this was during the oil boom. So there were so many people who had come out into Alaska literally to get some hands on oil. Like there was so much oil being found. So lots of people came out trying to scam their wind, oil trying to buy oil trying to buy land that could possibly have oil underneath it. Like it was a whole shit show. And so with money and with all of these things, comes a lot of women. And that's usually what happens in cities when they're experiencing a boom like this.

So for the avenue in Anchorage, Alaska, was known as the center of the red light district. And there was just strip club after strip club after massage parlour, after massage parlour, because you've got all of these guys migrating to Anchorage, Alaska with money and boredom. So then you've got all these other people setting up shop Anchorage, Alaska with money and boredom. So then you've got all these other people setting up shop for like, hey, if you're bored,

come here, look at my boob, right? And it was, you know, it just was not a good environment. This was not a safe place. This was definitely very rough for women. People were sent here to make money for their families or people came here in hopes to try to make any money because maybe they weren't making enough in other cities. There was actually lots of organized crime happening so there was this one group where they ran through Seattle, Hawaii, and Alaska and they would literally go around to the country and

look for vulnerable girls and they'd say, hey, you want to make some money? Let me fly you to Alaska. We've got an apartment that you can stay in for free. You can dance at one of our clubs and that's it. you'll make so much money, you know, all the people are there. They would show up in Anchorage, Alaska, and it would be like this nasty apartment which is like a mattress on the ground, no pillow, not even one pillow, and they would dance for the clubs that are owned by these dudes who do organized crime, and they would every single day that they would dance in the club and stay in that building, they would incur debt.

What? Because apparently they had signed contracts and these dudes, you know, these dudes with all these like gangsters and all these people who can actually back up what they're doing, are saying, well you stayed here for free and you can't do that. So now you owe us this much for staying at the building. You owe us this much for the stage time. And so they were making no money. They were actually losing money and being indebted into organized crime. But like where could they go? Most of these girls they didn't have family. They

didn't really have anyone who was looking out for them. So Anchorage, Alaska was like the go to. It was also kind of a go to because it was difficult for people to leave. You couldn't just save up money for a train ride and try to make it into the next state. I mean, you're kind of just stuck in Alaska if you're there. Robert was obsessed with this. He was so happy. He loved looking at prostitutes. That was his favorite thing. He said that he would drive up and down Red Light District and just watch them. He would watch them walk.

He would watch them stop and sit and walk. And just he said he's never been more excited in his life. He said that there was a sexual charge that came with even just watching prostitutes. Walk it. What? And he said that it made him feel masculine and powerful. And he said it was like this drug. He was like a moth that was drawn to a flame and he couldn't stop going to look at prostitutes. And then it would slowly start to increase. He would go into the strip clubs. He would pay for lap dances. He would get aggressive. And then most importantly, he just wanted to pick up girls and bring them to his house. So there's this one time. He had picked up a girl and told her, you know, I'm going to bring it to my house. You, we agreed upon this price and

that's going to be it, right? And so she says, okay, so she heads up into his car and they start heading towards an electrical area, which was not his house, like literally nobody lived here. This was a power plant. So unless you were an electrical worker or a hunter, nobody went to this area. And so she starts getting alarm. She gets out of the car when he parks and she starts running away. And he starts chasing her because that's exactly what he wants.

Wait, what was he trying to do? This is what he was trying to do. He was planning on chasing her. Yeah, just chasing her. Or she thought that he's just going to kill her. Yeah, but he just wanted to chase her and kill her. This is the first time he wants to kill someone. Well, there are multiple. See, that's the other thing. We're getting it into it, right? But I'm gonna start here. Okay. So he starts chasing her and he grabs her by the hair and she grabs a giant knife out of her purse.

She does not play like she knows about her safety, right? So she grabs it out and she starts swinging around. But this dude is a hunter. So he is able to overpower her and kills her. And he buries her in this area. And later when the police asked like, why did you do that? He said, I would have returned to her home if she had listened to what I said. But she didn't. And so I had to kill her. Okay, but what was he saying? So the police think that he wanted to bring her out there and wanted a bit of a long chase, but she brought out that knife and was like, I'm a fucking kill you dude. And so he ended up killing her. So the mo that he would do is that he would approach prostitutes or strip club dancers,

and he would say, listen, I'm going to bring you back to my cabin or sometimes it would be his house. And he'd say, okay, this is the agreed upon price, right? $200 for this activity. Yes. And they would say, yes, they'd get into his car. He would usually take them, yes, to his house or his cabin, where he would assault them. He would rape them. This was not consensual. They did not pay for it. Like, or they were not paid for it. You know, a lot of the times it was like they would agree upon oral sex or they would agree upon, okay, just this activity, but he would push it and he would assault them. And then sometimes he would keep them, you know, chained up and then assault them repeatedly. And it was, they knew. They knew that this is not the deal.

Like, this is not what they're getting paid to do. They don't want to do this. And he knows that they know that they've already said that right and Then afterwards he would drag them into his tiny little plane that he would have them tied up in He would fly them into a secluded area. Wait wait. This is happening After he killed that girl. Yeah, oh and he started doing this regularly. Yes Like once a month at least and he started doing this regularly. Yes, once I'm at the least. And so then he would fly them into secluded areas in the woods and he would release them.

A lot of the times the girls would be blindfolded. He would release them. They would also most of the times be naked and he would give them a head start. And they would start running because, I mean, what else do you do? And he would chase them and they'd run some? Yeah. And he would chase them, and they'd run some more, and then he would chase them, and when he felt like that was enough, he would shoot them.

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that's nodayswasted.co. So the Anchorage Police Department, July 17th of 1980, they get a phone call and they said, hey, listen, you gotta come out to a clutna which is like this village in Alaska and I don't know this but what they said is that when they say village it means village like it was a village and there's this place that is usually made just for electricians so it's like this power plant so electricians go um hunters go but that's about it like the village why do hunters? Because there's a lot of game around that area. So like, you know, or they make it there

and a Clutna has a lot of like game there, so they'll be there. And electrical workers that day had found a body. And so the police came and they immediately start digging. And when they saw the body, they saw what she was wearing and they saw her jewelry and they immediately knew that she was a prostitute because you can kind of tell, right?

She had no ID. She had no missing persons report out for her and they assumed maybe she was a new girl in Alaska Who had just gotten here and then she faced this type of death? So she was stabbed to death in the neck, which remember we talked about the girl who had wielded that big knife at him Yes, yes, so this was the girl and they wielded that big knife at him. Yes. Yes. So this was the girl. And they had had most of her skull. So it was easy for them to reconstruct her face and release the image everywhere, like a, you know, 3D done. Cause I mean, she had decomposed at that point, right? And there was still no response.

Like no one, they sent it to everyone, not even just people in Alaska, not even just police departments in the area. They sent it to everyone and nobody knew who she was. To this day, she has not been named. She was a Jane Doe. They actually named her a Clutna Annie. And this was just strange because this was a remote area with just power plant employees and hunters.

They called other jurisdictions to see, hey, do you guys have any cases similar to this? Where like, it's only accessible in like a hunted area. There's not really civilians going there on a casual daily basis. And they die and it's usually a prostitute or a dancer. Like, have you had cases like this? And a fellow jurisdictions said, wait, wait, we actually found a body in a shallow grave in a hunting area recently, about 150 miles south of you guys, right? So it's kind of a ways away. And it was actually found by highway maintenance workers. They came and they were like, oh my god, I think that's a dead body. So they call the police. The police get there. By the time that the police arrive, there was a bear gnawing on the victim.

The dead victim. And so they were like, okay, so what do we do? A, we let the bear finish his business or B, we kill the bear. Like we can't just like the bear is not your dog. Like you can't be like hey shoe bear go away. So the police were like okay kill the bear so they kill the bear. Wow. I guess there are a lot of wild animals there. Yeah, so I guess it was in a situation because he was literally gnawing on the victim that they could be like, hey, call animal control, let's get like

a tranquilizer over here. You know, all they had was like their guns. So they were like, okay, do we let our evidence go and have a bear eat a victim because like imagine the trauma of the families if they found out, right? Right. Or do we kill the bear? So they killed the bear. And they found her wrapped up in a moldy sleeping bag. She was a naked female with no ID.

They did find a 223 caliber gunshot wound. So there was a 223 caliber shell casing that was nearby. And this is weird, because this is not a gun that is used to kill people. It's a hunting gun. You do not need this gun to kill someone who weighs like 200 pounds. You need this gun to kill like a 1000 pound moose.

Like you do not need this type of bullet. You don't need this type of rifle for just like your day to day. Like I'm just protecting my house type of shit. Like this is a hunting gun. And so they're like, okay, this is a little bit weird, right? I mean what are the odds usually even murders in Alaska weren't just happening with these hunting rifles They were happening with like maybe a shotgun maybe a handgun a revolver like this is a hunting gun Yeah, so they're like okay, that's a little strange

So they bring her body in to be autopsy and her name was Joanna Messina and she was a prostitute in that area And the last that her friends and her other family members had heard from her was that she said that she was going on a date with a guy Who had promised to take her on a shopping spree and she never returned There had been no suspects in that case and even after they found her body and they found that gunshot casing still no suspects. So he doesn't do anything to the body. He doesn't hide it. He kind of does like a shallow grave, but not really. It's all done very hastily. It's almost like someone who's so confident. Like it's not a big grave, it's not dug deep, it's just kind of like, let's just dig a little hole.

It's not Doug deep. It's just kind of like, let's just like dig a little hole. Yeah, yeah. And then you have a Roxanne Eastland. So she was almost immediately reported as a missing persons to the police department. And she was also a prostitute. She was 24 years old. And everything about this just kind of matched up

with both of these other girls that they had found the bodies for. And they were getting about maybe two to three calls every single month about girls that were reported missing. And they were all either dancers, prostutes, working in the red light district, and it just was a lot. So some of the police department thought that,

you know what, these girls, they're just leaving to go somewhere else. Like maybe they're leaving to go dance somewhere else. Maybe Anchorage was a little bit too rough for them. We get it, right? Maybe they're going back to their hometown. They made their money. Like, these are not necessarily families

who have put down roots. Like, who's to say they didn't just up and leave willingly, voluntarily, and now their friends are just kind of upset that nobody said by to them. And Maxine was one of the few female cops in Anchorage at the time. She did not believe that. She was like, you're lying to yourself

if you think that's true, like you're being dumb. And so she tells her fellow officers, you're in Adiótá and she starts gathering information about all the other girls. So she goes out, she talks to the family, she talks to the fellow prostitutes, the friends, all of these people, the workers of the club, the boss, the manager of the club,

and she starts gathering information. And the one thing that she was really interested in is that a lot of girls that were working in the red light district in Anchorage, they were wearing a lot of jewelry. And so she was like, okay, I need to find out what jewelry everyone was wearing. So they were like, do your friends wear jewelry? And so she would write that down. She would take note of that. And she made spread sheets on every single victim.

Is she trying to find common ground? Yes, she's just trying to find out, like, are these girls actually going missing or are they running away? Like, what's happening? What's up with the jewelry? She just, because they all wear jewelry in the red light district.

Right, but why does she need to know? Because it's something to identify girls with. So, these naked bodies that were being found, a lot of them didn't have ID, but some of them would be wearing jewelry. So she was like, that's an easy way for me to be like, oh, this one is this missing persons, right? And so she was like, okay, let me get all of that information. Now, some of these girls, let's talk about Susan and Sherry. So this is a full two years later, Two years later, after Johanna's body was found. Okay. So the English police, I mean, they weren't really working on it.

Maxine was kind of working on it, but after two years, it just kind of went cold. There was no correlation between the missing girls and the two bodies that were found. There was no way to make sure that all of them were like a part of the same thing happening. There was nothing. So there was a strip club called Good Times, and Susan Sherry were dancers there and they were roommates. Now Sherry, she was blonde, she was sweet, she was a very soft spoken girl and she didn't like what she did. She just was trying to make it through each day. She was kind of looking for an escape. She was living in one of those apartments that the organized crime had done. So she was

like, honestly, I can't just like go work for a different club. I can't just like leave the last guy I don't know what to do with myself, right? And Susan, she said that one day there was this guy who bought champagne service at the club and was just like trying to ask crowd and she started feeling weird about him. There was something about him. He looked nice. He was very sweet, but something about him was cold. She didn't know what it was. It just felt cold. And so he kept saying that he had a plane and would love to take her on a date on his plane, right? And she's like, okay, I got it. Like you've got a fucking plane like no, thank you, right? And next day Sherry approaches her and is like, hey, I'm not gonna be home tonight because I have an appointment with that guy that has a plane And she was like, no, no, no, like that guy's creepy Sherry. You don't want to go on a date with that guy And Sherry was like, no, I mean, I guy's creepy, Sherry. You don't want to go on a date with that guy. And Sherry was like, no, I think he's,

I think he's kind of nice. And so she ends up going on that date and she was never seen again. And the friend reported it. The friend reported it. Sherry's boyfriend reported it. And they would go to the police every single day almost. And they would say, if you find Sherry,

she's going to be wearing an arrowhead necklace. That's her favorite thing. That's the one thing that she wears. Never takes it off. It's an arrowhead necklace. OK, you got it. Maxine's like, OK, I got it. So then a little bit after that, there

was a cop by the name of John Dele. And there were two off-duty police officers. I was like, hey, we're off today. Why don't we go moose hunting? And so they were like, okay, let's go moose hunting. So they go to the Kinnick River and they saw a depression as they were walking, which just means like, like an indent in the ground.

So they're walking as they're hunting and they're like, hey, do you see that up there? There's just like an indent in the ground. Like that's weird, you don't think that's weird. And they're like, that is weird. So it's called depression? Yeah. And so they walk towards the imprint in the ground

and they start seeing like couple pieces of clothing. And they're like, huh, that's weird. And I mean, this person was buried. So they were trying to figure out like, is it like a shirt that was buried or something? And so they lift up a piece of denim and there was definitely skin underneath. Because sometimes when you decompose,

like the skin attaches to the clothing. And so they get a bunch of state troopers coming in and they start digging. That's when they dig up a Caucasian female who was blindfolded. She had a gunshot wound to the chest right through the heart, but she also had about two more bullet holes in her back.

But there were no holes in the clothing. So it seemed like she was running through naked and then she was clothed afterwards. They sifted the dirt. They found a shell casing. You guessed it, a 223 caliber shell casing and were able to identify her as Sherry Morrow. Why did he put a clothes back on them? I don't know. Right, that's weird. It's inconvenient for him. Why would he do that? Strange.

And so she was 24 years old. She was on the missing list for the girls. And the interesting thing is that Maxine had remembered that her boyfriend kept saying she's going to be wearing an arrowhead necklace. But it wasn't found at the crime scene. Oh, that was her. Yeah, but her necklace wasn't on.

So Johanna and Sherry, they were both killed by a gunshot wound, whereas Eklutna and E. She was found by a stabbing right. So now we have three bodies that are found. The two that were found through gunshot wounds, they were able to run the ballistics and it said that the same exact rifle, like not even the same brand, like the same exact gun had shot both bullets. Wow. So they're like, okay, some shit's going down. So Maxine, the cop in the homicide unit, the one of the few female cops in the Anchorage

Department, she was like, okay guys, there's a serial killer on the loose and they're targeting sex workers. Got it? Got it? You get you get it and everyone's like we don't get it and they all just kind of like laughed at her they were like what do you mean a serial you're insane there's no serial killer in anchor you're saying there's an active serial killer oh serial killer in anchorage they just didn't believe her most of the cops her superiors literally laughed in her face and they called her a stupid Girl, but there were a couple cops who were on her side and they were like, you know what? I think you're onto something because this is weird, you know like all of this is just a funky

Circumstances. Yes. It's not girls getting lost in the woods It's not girls just showing up randomly in the city It's like all done in such a creepy way. Like it feels like these girls are literally being hunted. None of this is making sense. And so the ones who did listen, they started painting a very bad picture. So if there was a serial killer on the loose who was doing this, that means that all of the girls were brought to an isolated area alive and they were hunted and killed. Like that's of the girls were brought to an isolated area alive and they were hunted and killed.

That's what the evidence was showing them. Based on the gun wound. Based on the gun wound and based on the fact that even when you have your own plane, there is only a certain amount of places that you can park your plane. If the girls were found too deep into the woods where there could be no plane that could park right there, that means they were running through the woods where there could be no plane that could park right there. That means they were running through the woods and they were blindfolded with a hunting rifle that was, you know, like all of it was leading up to the fact that this does not feel okay, okay. And so they were starting to get

really alarmed and they start asking around all the other girls at the night clubs and like the strip clubs like, hey, if you guys see any weird clients who keep taking you out on planes or like asking you for some shit let us know and so they were like okay we'll let you know they actually found a suspect who had requested that girls come out into the wilderness with him and he would take pictures of them they were like oh my gosh that's insane and so they question him turns out he actually was a photographer and he was actually paying girls to take them out into the like, oh my gosh, that's insane. And so the question him turns out he actually was a photographer and he was actually paying girls to take them out

into the wilderness to do photo shoots. And he was in Hawaii during the time of Santa Murders. So he wasn't it. So they were like, OK, are we crazy? This is like a dead end. And so that's when Sergeant Glenn gets involved. And he decided to make a task force for this. But he worked for the state troopers.

So the Anchorage Police Department and the state troopers. So the Anchorage Police Department and the state troopers, they didn't get along. So the state troopers, they got jurisdiction all throughout Alaska from what I know, right? Anchorage, they only have jurisdiction in Anchorage. And so they were never buddy buddies. Like these two departments were always, you know, clashing heads, they were always getting into arguments.

And so when Maxine found out that Sergeant Glenn was starting a task force in the state troopers, she was like, you know what, I think I need to work on this case because I've been there since day one. And her boss absolutely forbid her. He said, absolutely not, you're not working with those fucking state troopers. And so she was like, okay, that's horrendous. So she ends up giving the state troopers all of her information. So they had a Excel spreadsheet of 12 victims of 12 potential victims because a lot of them were still missing All of them were dancers all of them were slim. They had around the same age They had light colored hair and they all disappeared after a daytime date or appointment with someone But they don't know who it is at all. Wow. We didn't

you say one of the friends was invited by him too. Yeah. But she couldn't describe not in a way that could help enough. I see. And so they decided to get some FBI profiling done. So the state troopers send in a whole like the whole everything, all of their little papers, the FBI. And the FBI profiles him to be an experienced hunter of low self-esteem, history of rejection from women, compelled to keep souvenirs. So they're like, oh my god, the missing arrowhead necklace, right? And that he could have some sort of physical, like self-esteem issue, whether it could be acne or deformity,

somewhere apparent. How did I know this? Exactly. That's what I was thinking too. Like I was like, how do they know this from just three bodies that were found and it's not even the body of the killer, you know? And they even got it down to the possible speech impediment

like a stutter. Why? They said that's someone who kills like this and possibly someone who wants to hunt women probably experienced it ever since they were young. In order to experience such hatred for women when you're like in elementary school or middle school, you've got to have something that hinders your relationship with women. So it's got to be something in you.

Like it's not just your personality is whack, it's not that you're a psychopath, it's the fact that you probably were not appealing for women. Holy cow. And so they're like, okay, one of the most obvious ones that people get bullied for in high school. Mine blown. Yeah. Yeah. This one was kind of crazy.

This case makes me so scared of FBI profiling. Like, I'm like, I could get away with the crime and then I read this shit And I'm like I could not get away with the crime my profile would be possible youtuber fucking annoying voice Maybe has a podcast. Maybe too annoying as dogs Yeah, I feel like They have about every human being. Yeah, wow. I would just be so scared to even like okay Imagine if we were single and we went on a date with a profiler would you you, how could you date someone like that? I don't think I could. Love's blind, you know. Oh, so they'd be like, oh no, you're amazing.

You're different. And then they're like dating a serial killer. Yeah. Oh god, that looks good movie. Yeah, so they got their FBI profiling down to the tee. So they start looking at people in the local area that have these characteristics that also Possibly have a plane right or some like a boat a ways to get out there. They really that's how they track him down Yeah, so they start profiling all the local people and That's when he kind of switches it up

He decides to go instead of going for prostitutes because there's a lot of heat on that He decides to go instead of going for prostitutes because there's a lot of heat on that. He decides to go look for Sunday singles. So this is a dating newspaper and in the anchor area. So it was meant for literally singles and anchorage and they could get together and they could just hang out like blind dates. So his entire family went to spend all of the summer in Europe. So I guess that bakery was bringing in some dough. So his two kids and his wife goes to spend the whole summer in Europe. So I guess that bakery was bringing in some dough. So his two kids and his wife goes to spend the whole summer in Europe. And he decides that he needs a female companion. So he writes down adventurous male, looking for lady willing to put on some jeans. Join me to find out what's around the next corner.

Well, I'm just confused. He's bringing the person to Europe. No, no, his family went. He's alone. Oh, he's alone. Yeah. So he has the whole house to himself. And so he said he wanted just a nice warm friendship. And so there was a woman by the name of Karen O'Leary who decided to reach out to him because she was like, you know what? He sounds like my cup of tea. They meet him. They meet at a bar. And he tells her about everything about his childhood. and she felt really bad for him about all the bullying that he experienced It is you if you know she can hear his stutter a little bit here and there and so she's like oh my gosh like I feel for you And so he wanted to take her out on the plane to go to his cat then in the woods But it was too windy so the plane literally could not take off So they went to his house instead now they go to his basement and she said this was like the first couple of red flags red flag number one

Was that immediately when they walked into the house his own dog went and hid in the closet So she was like, I mean how messed up of a person do you have to be that your own dog is scared of you And so then he brings her down and he's like, okay This is my man cave and he shows her to the basement Which just was filled with taxidermied moose heads everywhere It's like cool and he was like obviously too proud of his like this ones from this Oh this ones from this, you know this ones from this say hello to my little moose over here And it was just a lot now they they were making out okay they're just

like making out on the couch and he asked her okay so I just have to give you an idea. So on the ground there was this bear skin rug and the head was still on it. So it's not just like a bear skin rug it's like you know what I'm talking about and like obviously it's real you know and so he in the middle of making out he pulls away and he goes, would you like to make love on the bare skin rug? And she said, um, no. And he looked at her. And it got really quiet. And he kept looking at her and stared at her. And she felt like he was like processing some thoughts like that she

said no and it was like just minutes of him staring at her and it was just silent and then he said that's okay and they went back to make it out. This comes into play later this becomes important later. Oh I thought I thought some weird choices about it happened. No, I mean, it just went. Let me make up with this bare head. From making up with the bare head. What in the world?

Oh my God. That would be too good. So he just want to sit on the ground with her. Just sit on the rug with her and make up? No, he wanted to make love. Oh, make love, I'm sorry. And she said no. And he just stared at her.

Like as if like he was debating what to do now. Right, right. Yeah. And it comes into play because he'll let the police know why he did that later. Why he didn't kill her. Okay. Right. So come check out.

Can you not do that? Because she's a good woman. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Oh my god, this is so fucking sick. So he contemplated, but he thought she's a good woman. Oh my god.

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Karen situation yet because I mean he let her live because she's a good woman. So he just let her leave? Yeah, he was just like okay like if you don't want to make love on my bear that's fine. I'll take you home. And so she was like, okay, that's a little weird. This was why was he staring at me for so long. Does he not know that no means no? That was weird. And so she goes home and the police get a call a little while after.

And it was a very interesting call. They said, hey, I think you guys need to know this, but there is a female running completely naked who is handcuffed behind her back down Fifth Avenue and the guy who was calling was like I was on my way to work she was literally running um, confusing and so I decided to pick her up. I dropped off at a local motel because I had to go to work and yeah she's probably at the motel right now so the police ended up going to the motel and they knock on the door and opens the door

is Cindy Paulson, who is 17 years old and she was super distraught. So they're talking to her, they're trying to calm her down and once they realize some shit's going down, right? They take the handcuffs off her and she starts talking and she says that she was working the corner. There was a guy who pulled up in a car and older gentleman

and he offered me $200 for a blowjob. And so I said, okay, and I got into the car and he pulled out a gun, he handcuffed me and he told me that if I do what I, what he says, that I won't get hurt. So then he takes me to his basement and he called it as like man cave and he wanted to do her on the bear rug. So he raped her on the bear skin rug, and then there was like this room that she was taken into that wasn't the man cave,

and there was like this pole in the middle of the room, and he wrapped her chain around it, and just like chained her up to that pole. And for the next literal whole night, he would come back and forth and just brutally torture an assault her. And afterwards, he said, you know, because you're so nice and cooperative, I would like to take you to the cabin in the woods and we could just spend the weekend together.

Now Cindy Paulson, who is just so traumatized and only 17 years old, she was smart, she was like, listen, after what you've done to me, after I've seen this room, after I've seen your face and the amount of atrocities that you have committed onto me, she knew that she's not coming back from the cabin in the woods. She knew that he's taken her there to kill her. And so she's like, okay, sounds good. So she gets into the back seat of his car, like he instructs her to do. And he drives to the local airport area. And it's not like a busy airport, so don't be picturing like LAX.'s like one of those individual small little you know hangers and so she goes there and he's like hold on I need to go fix up the plane so that I can you know tie you up in the seat and so she says

okay sounds good and he's busy with the plane when she realizes it's her chance to get out of the car he had left it unlocked and so she opens the door she immediately puts her shoes in the door, she immediately puts her shoes in the car, like she takes off her shoes. And it's like snowing outside, okay, or something. It's like really cold outside, I think. And she leaves her shoes there and she starts running and he chases after her with the gun.

But he can't really do that because this is public. Like he can't really shoot her right now because technically nobody else was there at the time, but like it's still a public area right And so she starts running away a guy in a car stops her puts her in the car drives her to the motel and then he's like I'm late for work So I got a dip by right so then he calls the police on his way to work and it's like I just saw a girl That was like running down the street and I left her at the motel

And so they're like okay Do you remember anything about the guy who assaulted you and she said, he had a plane and she was able to go to the airport hangar and point out which plane it was, which then they dug into the records. And they were like, this belongs to Robert Hansen. Just like that. Just like that. And they said that he was, you know, he seemed nice. He seemed completely normal. And he had a bit of a stutter. So the police were like, okay, let's look into it. And so the police questioned Robert Hansen and he immediately denies any involvement. He even says the words because they said, Cindy says that you raped her.

And Robert Hansen goes, I don't know who that is. I've never seen her in my entire life, but what? You can rape a prostitute? That's what he said. Oh my god. Oh, so annoyed. So annoyed. I'm so annoyed.

So then he's like, nope, I wasn't there. I didn't see her. You know, none of this. None of this is true. The police go down into the basement and there was no physical evidence that Cindy was there, but it was the exact description that Cindy gave them. So the room looked exactly like what Cindy said it looks like, you know. But the fact is that he somehow had friends who gave him an alibi.

So the police were like, so you have this alibi that two of your friends have confirmed that they were with you, so you couldn't be assaulting Cindy Paulson at the time. And it was just weird. So the lead investigator he believed, he believed Robert. He said, listen, what the likely story of this all is that Cindy jumped the price on him and he refused to pay it. Cindy was probably like, I'll do it for 200 and she was like, okay, and then after the fact she was like, actually, that was 300. And he refused to pay. And so nobody even pressured Robert or his friends to see if like their alibi or their lies would fall apart literally

Nothing happened the lead investigator was like let's just drop it all and some of the police people like the cops They were kind of pissed. There was a big group that was like that doesn't make sense and so a lot of them They a lot of them risked their own jobs and they put them on 24 hours of valence They were like we're just gonna fucking surveil this guy because that's weird. And everything kind of went quiet for a little while. And during this time, the police are also simultaneously trying to look into his background. So why is that taking so long, you ask? So his background, the first couple of times that they kept pulling it up,

it looked really clean. There was nothing on there. Literally no record on there. But this was also the time where all of the criminal records in that area have been in the process of being computerized. So they weren't entered into the computer, of course, there would be no record yet. And it's not just happens magically. So there's people literally entering in each record into the database, and his hasn't been entered in yet.

So they had to really dig, and they they start digging and they start finding some stuff. But first we got to talk about Paula. Now Paula, she was living with her roommate by the name of Robin and she was a beautiful, funny, just kind of wanted to make it and not in the sense of like a mom's and a Liz, I just want to make it but just genuinely just wanted food on the table. She just wanted to make it and she just genuinely just wanted food on the table. Like she just wanted to make it, and she was a dancer. She hated it. She just wanted to do it for money.

She had barely been a dancer for like barely a week, and that's when she met Robert Hanson, and he said that he wanted to take her on a modeling shoot in the woods, and she thought that this was super sweet, and she thought that this was her chance to go from dancing to maybe possibly a modeling career. I mean, it sounds better, right? She was like, I don't have to deal with all these creepy people that are just trying to touch me all the time, right? And so she gets there. And as he lands the plane, he starts handcuffing her and dragging her. And he says, it's okay. don't be alarmed, okay? And she's like, okay, like what's going on?

And he says, we're just gonna go into the meat shed and everything's gonna be okay. So a meat shed is actually like a communal little shed that everyone, all the hunters in the area used. And it's literally just a shed with this bar in the middle of the shed to hang up your fucking moose that you just killed and there's like knives in there and it's just for you to like take some meat off

and stuff and so he even tells the police that his biggest regret is telling her that it was a meat shed because it really triggered her and she got really scared and she started running and so he had a killer He was like I should have just said cabin. Like he literally was talking to the police and I heard the recording of him being upset at his word choice. You heard his talking? Yeah because he wanted to assault her first. I see. But he didn't get to because he said meat shed and she was alarmed. Right, right, right. She's probably picturing being hang up and like tortured. Yeah. Oh my gosh. And so her roommate had reported her missing. Now that happened. And then another body was found. like five, six months into the decomposition process But they also found a 223 caliber the same gun the same gun casing everything the same as Sherry and Johanna And she had also been shot to death in the same way

And this was in a remote hunting area, and it was relatively close to Sherry So the police are like, okay, like we're just gonna bring him in, right? We're just gonna arrest him in, right? We're just gonna rest him and we're gonna try to see this out. Now the judge at the time would not give an arrest warrant because he had Alibis for some of the murders or the alleged kidnapping, right? Yeah, and so they decided to get in with the friends So they start questioning the two friends and they're like dude, it's not good. It's not looking good for you You want to go to jail for a friend and the friends come clean and they said like, dude, it's not good, it's not looking good for you. You wanna go to jail for a friend and the friends come clean and they said that we made up that alibi

because we knew that he was with a prostitute and we thought that I would just ruin his marriage. Like that's genuinely what they thought. Wow. Like they were just looking out for him as a bro type of way, not like a, you're a serial killer and I'm gonna cover for you. But just genuinely like you've got a wife.

Yeah. And so that's when they were like, okay, this is enough to get an arrest warrant serial killer and I'm gonna cover for you, but just genuinely like you've got a wife. And so that's when they were like, okay, this is enough to get an arrest warrant and they also found out about his past offenses. So his first offense happened in Alaska. He tried to abduct a real estate agent. So she was walking down a busy street, not like the red light district, but just a regular street. And she was walking down, she works for a real estate company, and he saw her walking, and was like, that is

the most beautiful woman that I've ever seen in my life. Now, what does he do? A married man, think to himself, wait a second, I'm married, I shouldn't be thinking that, or a second of all, maybe I should just talk to her, right? He's like, no, I'm going to follow her home. So he founds out where she lives. And the next day, he shows up with the gun, and he's like, hey, get in my car. I'm taking you with me. And all of her roommates are like, uh, we live here too. And so they saw the whole thing go down. They immediately start screaming. They call the police. They give the description. The police catch him. And he was arrested.

Now, when he was arrested, everyone's like, you're kind of like a weak dude. And he was like, yeah, I mean, it it just that wasn't the intention at all like it just kind of all happened I don't know what I was thinking and the police were like okay this is a little weird so he was given a small bail because technically it was assault with a deadly weapon but it wasn't there was no like sexual assault there was no murder so it wasn't as heavy as a fence so he did get bail. So he was let out on bail. And that's when Patricia Roberts comes into the police station. And

she said that she was taken, she's a prostitute, that she was taken at gunpoint away from the town about 60 miles away. And she was sexually assaulted. And he brought her back. And now she's here in the police station. And so the police are like, okay, you know, that's crazy because he's actually literally out on bail right now, right? When did Patricia show up? Well, he was out on bail for the real estate lady. Real estate lady was-

This was his past. Right, right, right. Okay. I'll see. Yeah. And so then that's when Robert was brought in again and was like, oh, well, you know, that she's a prostitute, right? So she's lying. And the police are like, what?

And so he says, okay, why don't we do a deal? So Robert's like, let's do a deal. I will plead guilty for attacking the real estate agent if you drop the charges for Patricia. And the police went with this shitty deal. No, a shitty fair number of reasons. First of all, it was a shit deal because I mean, the jury, they probably would have found him guilty for the assault on Patricia and for the attempted kidnapping of the other real estate lady, right? And he would have been given like 20 years in prison because it just happened back to back. I mean, it's, this is a pattern of behavior.

And so the second thing is that he only got a five year sentence for it. Also, you went to jail for five years. Yeah. And that's when he learned his lesson. Choose your victim wisely, because the police were so easy and quick to drop the charges on Patricia, because she was a prostitute. And he was even quoted to the police saying, you can do things with prostitutes that you can't do with good women. And he also was arrested for trying to steal a chainsaw at a local store. So that's when they're like, okay, like we've got your old records, you know, we know what you're doing, we know the type of person you are, right? We've got all of this. And they started just arresting him going through his house.

It was, it was really bad. So inside of his house, well, okay, let's talk about it as the interrogation. They had actually staged the interrogation really well. So at the beginning, up until recently, up until Cindy Paulson had run away and told the police that it was Robert, everyone thought that Robert was like suspect number 12. Like he was on their big suspect chart, but there was like a bunch of people on there and he was not one or two or three. Like he was just like all the way down there. Like yes, all of the things, you know, he is, he fits the FBI profile. He has a plane, but it's not Robert.

You know, it's not donut dude. And so they were just like, just stick him in at the end, just for shits and giggles so we cover the bases. But instead, they didn't want to show him that. So the entire interrogation room, they fucking HGTVed that shit, and they put a stack of folders in the middle with his name written on it all sloppy. They kind of made the folders look dirty as if they'd been watching him for months and months and months.

They even had this giant map of Alaska on the back with his house in a circle and then all of the clubs of the prostitutes circled out and then like the airport circled out and they had genuinely staged the room to make it look like they were only investigating him and him hardcore for years. These are tactics. Yeah. That is so fascinating. Isn't it crazy?

Like they wanted to make it seem like they had so many cards Like they knew everything Wow, but in reality they didn't really didn't know that much yet Wow, and so at first he comes in and he's like I decline I decline everything I deny this I decline and they're like okay Well, we're doing a search warrant on your house right now. And so the the other police they go to search the house. Darla the wife was there and the two kids were there and they were horrified. Wow, they had no idea.

They had no idea. And so they searched the entire house and they could not find the room with a pole that Cindy was chained up in. So they're like, what the heck is this? They're in his man cave. Yes, she said that she was assaulted on the bear rock, but then she was taken into another room and she was tied up to a pole. And so they're like searching, searching, and he had a hidden wall in his basement. They couldn't find it. They found it. It opened up to a pole in the middle that she was chained to and it was a sound-proofed room. Does the wife even know that room?

No. Shit. And they went to the attic and you know how in the attic they have the insulation. Like it almost looks like fluff, right? Yeah. And they're just like there's nothing in the attic, right? And they keep looking and they keep looking. And they're like, you know what?

Let's peel back some of the insulation. So they take down insulation, insulation, insulation and they see a bag of jewelry. And at first they're like, that's weird. Why would they hide jewelry? These like valuable jewelry and they look into it and Maxine, the female cop was there and she was like, that's the fucking arrow head necklace.

And so it was like, okay, these are souvenirs. So then they pull back all of the insulation and they also find the rifles. The same exact one, the murder weapon. I mean, that you don't get any closer to a conviction that a fucking murder weapon in your attic hidden behind insulation, okay? And then they go back into his bedroom

and behind his headboard on his bed They find something really alarming They find a map of Anchorage, Alaska and this look like a flight map Which a lot of pilots would have right and there was lots of pencil markings around the map Which again lots of pilots would do because you know when you're hunting in your pilot you can't there's no airports So you land in the designated areas that hunters are known to land in. And so there was lots of circled areas, there was 21 exact markings,

and they brought it into the station, and they're looking at it when a trooper walks in, and they asked the trooper, wait, where was the first body found again? And he said, you've already got it circled. And that's when they all looked at the trooper and was like we didn't circle it. Robert Hansen circled all of these. So they're like this isn't landing spots. These are gravesite. This is a cannot get anymore movie. Yeah, like literally everything is just like yeah right there. Yeah.

And the saddest part though is that the next couple of days after all of this, Kristi, the daughter, she went to school and one of the girls that went to school with her was actually interviewed and she said that Kristi came in to school that day and she was so angry. And she stood at the front of the class and yelled, shut up, shut up, it's all a lie, so just shut up. Because everyone knew, yeah, oh my god, I'm gonna cry. Because everyone knew, like, they had heard everything, because I mean, it's a small town still. And she was just like, shut up, it's all a lie. He didn't do any of it.

It's a lie, so just shut up. I don't want to hear it. And she sat down. It just breaks your heart. And so he gets sent to jail. And during jail, he's in jail for a couple of months. And the police are like, okay, we need to work with the prosecutors. We're trying to make sure all of these are gravesides. Like, we need none of this is still enough to get a serial killer. Like,

we really need a hardcore confession because most of the time serial killers, they love to confess. Like, look at Ted Bundy. Like, they're all these like serial killers. I like, yeah, I did it. And I did more to, by the way, right? And so we just need him to confess. For some reason, after a couple of months, he comes in and he's like, I need to tell you about everything. So they sit him down and they start recording it. And they asked him, okay, like, why would you do this? Why did you choose these victims?

And he says, well, good girls are people who are interested in him. And bad girls are girls who are interested in him and bad girls are girls who are interested in money And so he needed to kill the prostitutes and that's why he didn't kill Karen because she genuinely was very sympathetic towards him And they had met in a completely different setting like that's the weird thing like it's one thing if you start dating And then you find out that she's only with you for the money. You still don't kill her, but like I get that that's heartbreaking, but like when you were literally seeking those services and then getting mad that they are charging you for those services, like I don't understand, right?

And so he says that at first he only confessed to the bodies that were found, so you've got the one, you've got four bodies, so he only confesses to those. And that's when, you know, the police were like, I mean, none of this makes sense. He does unimaginable behavior. Like you cannot imagine a human can be this nasty, right? But he seems so normal. He seems so nice. Up until the police bring out the map. And they said, we know each of these is a dead body

So you might as well start telling us Mm-hmm And that's when they said that he turned into like a completely different person his voice Dead-ass drops several octaves lower and instead of being like anyways a good girl or people that are interested in me, you know of being like, anyways, a good girl or people that are interested in me, you know, that girls are the ones that are interested in money. He said things like those dirty fucking horrors. Oh my god. Like, he just dropped his whole thing.

Like, they were so shocked. And they were like, that's the person that's capable of killing. Right. Because they were still so confused. They were like, this guy's so soft. He's a little soft boy, right? What the heck was that? Yeah. That's when he gets angry. That's who he turns into.

It seems. And so he told the story of each X after X and confessed to 17 victims that were murdered and 30 assaults of girls he let go because he didn't feel like they were in it for the money. 30? He had assaulted 30 different prostitutes that he let go instead of killing. Yeah. And each time he told the story, he made it sound like it was all the girls' faults. So it was just so sick and twisted.

Now, they went through all the dig sites, saw the markings, and only 12 of the 17 bodies have been found. But police and a lot of people in Alaska believe that there's way more than 17. Especially because you're talking about a dude who only confesses when there's evidence. So he confessed to the bodies that were there, and then he confessed to the map.

And then now he's like, no, that's it. And everyone's like, we don't believe you. And so he decided to plead guilty. Now, in return for pleading guilty, he would get something very interesting. He was actually charged with four murders and the assault and kidnapping of Cindy Paulson. And in return of pleading guilty for that, he would get federal prison instead of state prison for the rest of his life and no publicity in the press. The heck?

That's why I think that's why also he's not as well-known. How do you control that? So it means not releasing most of the interrogation tapes, things that the police themselves can control. That is so weird. Because he said literally in quotes, he wants to do anything to minimize the hurt it'll cause his family in any way.

Yeah, that's what I thought too. There's no other reason. Yeah. Yeah. Huh. And so he pled guilty and he was sentenced to 461 years plus life in prison. And that was just for the four murders and the assault in kidnapping,

the rest will never be charged. And in 2014, he died at the age of 74 of natural causes in prison. What does he look like? I would like to... He honestly is not scary at all. I'm not gonna say he's handsome because I don't think he is, but one might think he could be. Hmm, interesting. Wow, that's not what I was expecting.

Right, look. He looks very normal. He looks like an accountant. Yes, yes. Like there's no way to describe it, but. He's a fucking accountant with those glasses. Yeah, he looks like an accountant. Yeah, I mean, he's really well known in Alaska, but- Yeah, so that's the real Hunger Games story. I mean, someone who literally hunted for sport

but hunted humans. And I can't believe it happened recently. Yeah. I mean, he recently passed away in 2014. It just sounds like something that happened in like the ancient days where where maybe everyone was so bored and maybe he had syphilis, so he went a little cuckoo. And then he was like, I'm gonna do this,

but no, it just brings to question. It is a thing. And I also think it's something that we as humans are so intrigued by, because even if you look at things like Jeffrey Epstein or the Bohemian Grove, it's like a secret society where they in the woods, yeah, that is, apparently George W. Bush was part of it, we don't know what they do there. Allegedly, it's just a gathering for higher up politicians and executives to just have

a nice time in the woods, like a Girl Scouts, but like CEO Scouts, right? But there's like rumors that they will literally grab people and like hunt them. I know I mean the rumors are a little crazy, you know, it depends on what time of day it is Like if you're talking 11 a.m. I'm gonna be like you're crazy for believing in those conspiracies But if you're talking 1 a.m. I'm like, so did you hear what they were doing in those words. It's crazy. So I don't know. There is a fascination with hunting other humans, like the perch.

Let me know. What are your thoughts on this case? How do you feel about something like this? To you, is this more scary than a serial killer who, you know, like the other ones that we've killed about that just like want to go into your house and kill you? Is this more twisted? Let me know and I hope you guys enjoyed this week's episode and I'll see you guys next week for spooktober again Tata Tata

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